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Give Scientology $1,000 and all you’ll get is this lousy T-shirt

L_Ron_Hubbard_HallWe’ve mentioned in the past that Scientology is not finished with its “Mecca” in Clearwater, Florida. Despite the completion of its city-block-sized “Flag Building” (a/k/a “Super Power” building), the church is still raising money for yet another building that will go next door: The L. Ron Hubbard Hall.

For years, Scientology held its big annual Clearwater events at Ruth Eckerd Hall. It’s a fine venue with capacity for 2,180 people and has hosted the LRH Birthday celebration each year, which takes place around Hubbard’s birthday of March 13.

So why the need for a meeting hall on the Scientology campus itself in downtown Clearwater? We assume there are two reasons: Smaller crowds and security.

Scientology just can’t fill venues like it used to. In Los Angeles, for example, the church is increasingly staging events on L. Ron Hubbard Way, a block-long lane amid the “PAC Base” downtown. Such events just can’t fill the Shrine Auditorium or the LA Sports Arena anymore. The church used the Shrine for its big New Year’s Eve parties, and hosted its big “The War Is Over” event in 1993 to announce its victory over the IRS at the Sports Arena.

With dwindling membership and increasing security concerns — a British reporter sneaked into the 2012 IAS gala in England, and protesters got awfully close to the action there this year — it makes some sense for Scientology to have a place of its own on its own property.

So that means, of course, even more fundraising from the fundraisingest organization on earth. And it also means that Scientology has to come up with classes of donations. And this time, it also means rewards.

Thanks to one of our great tipsters, we got our hands on the donation cards being sent around by the Church of Scientology Religious Trust (CSRT) — one of Scientology’s entities, and the one that’s been charged with raising money for the hall. And just look at what you get if you donate money for this super project!

Friend of LRH Hall, $1,000: Commendation, T-Shirt

Benefactor of LRH Hall, $5,000: Commendation, Special LRH Photo

Guarantor of LRH Hall, $10,000: Commendation, Special LRH Photo, CSRT Gift Item

LRH Hall Member, $25,000: All Benefits Listed Above, Name on Display, Priority Access & Seating at Events, Commemorative LRH Presentation

LRH Hall Elite Member, $50,000: All Benefits Listed Above

LRH Hall Key Member, $100,000: All Benefits Listed Above, Special LRH Presentation

LRH Hall Founding Member, $250,000: All Benefits Listed Above, Personalized Gift Presentation

LRH Hall Master Member, $500,000: All Benefits Listed Above, Personalized Gift Presentation

LRH Hall Member with Honor, $1,000,000: All Benefits Listed Above, Personalized Gift Presentation

 
The mailing also came with a list of loyal Scientologists who have already donated. Can you guess who made the top of the list?

 
LRHHallMembers

 
Well sure, the richest Scientologists in the world, Bob and Trish Duggan, lead the list once again. And based on their status — LRH Hall Member of Elite Honor — we’d have to conclude that they’ve given more than a $1 million to the project. (We’ve estimated that they’ve also given about $50 million to the International Association of Scientologists fund.) [UPDATE: Another list shows that in order to get the “Elite Honor” level, the donation by the Duggans must be at least $2.5 million.]

Hey, if Bob and Trish are leading the way, how can this thing lose! Take our check and send that T-Shirt right away!

As a bonus, the CSRT mailing that hits Scientologists up for those donations also included a report about the November grand opening of a house in Bay Head, New Jersey that the church claims is where L. Ron Hubbard put the finishing touches on Dianetics. Attending the event were John Travolta and Kelly Preston, and the mailing preserves their speechifying. We thought you might want to get a look at it.

 
BayHeadJohnTravolta

This house is actually the most important house in my life, because the Man, L. Ron Hubbard, wrote a book called Dianetics that saved my life. And in turn, when I learned how to use this technique to help others and save their lives, or from injuries or from emotional upsets or whatever they had going on, and to watch actual miracles happen right in front of my eyes, was astonishing and miraculous. And I find it the most valuable thing I can do — and really one of my biggest purposes of being here in this lifetime is to help other people. And I find I can do it with this technology — John Travolta

BayHeadKellyPreston

This home here means so much to us. It’s really important when we re-build, we help to restore, but we also help to move on. And my husband and I are all about that and L. Ron Hubbard was all about that. And Dianetics has helped me so much throughout my life. It has saved my life, really. It’s helped me raise a family, it’s helped me have a successful marriage for 23 years and it’s helped me in my career. It has really helped me in every aspect of my life — so I am forever indebted to L. Ron Hubbard. I want to thank you all so much for coming out and for honoring him. Thank you. — Kelly Preston

 
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Monique Rathbun pushes back on Scientology dragging in the Woodward lawsuit

We have a brief update on the Monique Rathbun lawsuit: Monique’s appellate attorney, Leslie Hyman, filed a short document asking the Texas Third Court of Appeals to ignore Scientology’s attempt to bring up a lawsuit in Los Angeles that was dismissed based on the church’s anti-SLAPP motion. The church is also trying to get Monique’s harassment lawsuit in Texas tossed with the use of an anti-SLAPP, which was denied by Comal County Judge Dib Waldrip.

Scientology is appealing that decision, and wants the appeals court to look at the reasons why Vance Woodward’s lawsuit was derailed. But Hyman points out that Woodward’s lawsuit was dismissed because it raised a lot of issues about how Scientology operates as a church. The First Amendment affords an organization that calls itself a church enormous protections, but Hyman points out that Monique — who was never a member of Scientology — is suing for harassment and surveillance, not for religious practices.

That’s been a common theme in many of the arguments Hyman has made both on paper and in a live hearing. We’re still waiting to see how the appeals court rules.

 
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Scientology’s 2014 in review: The original OT 8 mystery solved!

George_WhiteHappy Boxing Day! We’re continuing our look back at 2014 as the new year approaches, and now we’re up to stories we covered in June.

One of the themes we’ve been exploring over the last couple of years is Scientology’s ability to pull in young people even as it faces its biggest crises in its existence.

Early in the month, we talked to Mary Jane Sterne about her daughter, Samantha, who ditched college halfway through her freshman year in order to sign the Sea Org’s billion-year contract. Where, we asked, is Scientology keeping Sami Sterne?

June was also when the family feud over Casey Kasem’s final days boiled over. We think there’s a lot of blame to go around for the sordidness of that family mess, but one thing we looked into that no other news outlet did — we established that Kerri Kasem’s involvement in Scientology was much more extensive than she was letting on.

On June 11, we broke the news that Oklahoma’s multicounty grand jury was hearing evidence about allegations of insurance fraud at Scientology’s flagship drug rehab facility, Narconon Arrowhead. Later in the year, the grand jury declined to produce indictments, but encouraged the state to continue investigating the troubled facility.

Among the twists and turns in Monique Rathbun’s harassment lawsuit against the Church of Scientology this year, one development that we couldn’t contain a grin about was Scientology’s contention that our Village Voice coverage of the 2011 “Squirrel Buster” siege of the Rathbun home was a sign that the church’s goon squad had attained its goals. Yowza.

On June 17, we posted a rare audio clip of Ron and Mary Sue Hubbard using a 1952 auditing session to come up with the “entities” idea behind Scientology, some 15 years before Ron would unleash “OT 3” on church members. As we pointed out at the time, “If Scientology’s con has a smoking gun, it may be this recording.”

As his new film Third Person opened in theaters, Paul Haggis told us his favorite Bunker stories of the year.

On June 24, we looked at a longtime Scientology mystery: Was the infamous “Antichrist” version of Original OT 8 really delivered to a few lucky church members in the summer of 1988 before it was torpedoed for upsetting people? George White came forward to say that he was among those few who received the disputed document on the Freewinds that summer — and he had the certificate to prove it. Several experts, after looking at our evidence, agreed that this mystery is now solved — the bizarre Hubbard Antichrist version of OT 8 is legit after all.

A LOOK BACK AT JUNE 2013: Channel 4’s Scientologists at War, Neil Gaiman’s The Ocean at the End of the Lane, and Joe Childs on Denise Gentile’s blunts.

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on December 26, 2014 at 07:00

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UP THE BRIDGE (Claire Headley and Bruce Hines train us as Scientologists) 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37, 38, 39, 40, 41, 42, 43, 44, 45, 46, 47, 48

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  • The L. Ron Hubbard’s Hall has pretty ugly facade, unless they are going for a scary Choo-Choo Train.

    • Morning Dodo! 🙂

      • Morning, Tia! 🙂

        • Mark Foster

          Greetings, Dodo and Tia! Just in for a quick peek and out again…

          • Good Morning Mark! Have a great day!! 🙂

    • Dr_Orpheus

      I’ll have you know that COB personally selected that design, and every single person at RTC agreed that it was the most awe-inspiring architecture that they had ever seen!!!!! So there, you SP, you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Captain Howdy

      They should have a monument of LRH raising the flag on Iwo Jima..by himself.

      • joan nieman

        I found that extremely funny Captain! I somehow visualized it in my head.

      • Missionary Kid

        I can see it now. A bunch of Marines, out kick some sea org assistance over that one.

  • L. C. Spencer

    “Tony needs a vacation,” I say to myself. “The man needs a vacation.”

    And yet I check in at 7:03 a.m. on Boxing Day, and am happy when sure enough, he’s posted!

    • MaxSpaceman

      ‘course everybody needs vacation- ‘n dontcha think Tony O knows how to recharge those batteries with the best of ’em… I’d think ‘computer systems’, building stories ‘n writing ’em, putting 5 (or how-many-ever) into ‘the hopper’ on hold-for-posting, and then hit the road jack ‘n have some fun. The system’ll post ’em flawlessly while the Proprietor’s away. (Still, w/ his laptop w/ him at all times, everywhere he goes ((imagining that’s so)), maybe he does post daily even when vacationing!)

      • Robert Eckert

        But on this occasion, it looks as if the “year in review” posts are what was queued in advance, and these fresh leaked materials were just too much fun to sit on, so he updated the posts just for us, late on Christmas night after he’d finished his egg nog.

        • joan nieman

          Good old Santa Tony.

      • L. C. Spencer

        Well, yeah, they’re automated. But he had to do the work and set them up!

        … I bet he does check his alerts all the time. Really, if we check the Bunker all the time, imagine how Our Proprietor must be similar.

        • MaxSpaceman

          Yeah, LC, I got that right as I clicked, the Proprietor’s joint and that it’s virtual makes it all the easier to peak in for a quick look 🙂

    • joan nieman

      I know! It’s like you want him to take a break but on the other hand you couldn’t stand no Bunker for a day or two!

    • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

      Three cheers for Tony, and I mean it, no sarcasm intended in any way. In spite of Scientology blackening that phrase, sometimes it is still the best way to express great admiration.

      Three cheers for a whole slew of people who contribute to this board, day in, day out, and with extraordinary insight and intelligence. In addition to all the challenges we normally have to face, this community goes out of its way to make things a little better for those who have been hurt by the cult and a little better for those who want to understand how a totalitarian organization can hurt so many and still get away with it.

      If there was such as thing as e-wine, I would propose a toast.

    • richelieu jr

      You know they don’t celebrate Boxing Day in the States, don’t you? Or anywhere else besides Ol’ Blighty (how I miss that place!)

      • JennyAtLAX

        From, “Take Me Back To Dear Old Blighty” (written by A.J. Mills, F. Godfrey and B. Scott, 1916): “Take me back to dear old Blighty! / Put me on the train for London town! / Take me over there / Drop me ANYWHERE / Liverpool, Leeds, or Birmingham, well, I don’t care!”

      • L. C. Spencer

        Well yeah, I’m American, but a lot of us do call it that anyway. It’s traditional to celebrate Boxing Day here in the States by doing ABSOLUTELY NOTHING for the entire 24 hours, except eat, drink and play video games. It’s a fine culture.

        • richelieu jr

          Well, I certainly salute the goals and initiative!

  • mud
    • This OT knows his jewelry.

    • Stacy

      Is that a hospital bracelet on his left arm? The orange one?

      • Sid

        Good observation. Must not have been a psychosomatic illness. Dianetics handles all of those.

      • flexible

        It’s a watch I think.

      • Frodis73

        It’s one of those bands they use at concerts, clubs, fairs, etc.

        • Stacy

          Wasn’t sure. Was thinking, hey you’re OT powers didn’t keep you out of the hospital, did they? Hhhmm, why does an OT need a wristband to get into a concert? Same question applies there.

      • No. Its a special edition watch which receives transmissions from the Marcabian Fleet Command Vessel monitors which measure the median volt level being put out by the eternal batteries that hold Xenu prisoner.

        🙂

  • $1000 t-shirt….wow!!! It is unusual, isn’t it? that they’re GIVING something to ‘lower level’ donators? Usually it’s just a certificate, if that, or a mention on a flyer and a hand out for more. Guess they’re really trying to entice donations.

    I’m now envisioning niblet doing an Oral Roberts up in the tower to try to get funds. Would it work? “L Ron will take me to Target 2 if you don’t donate $10 million right NOW!” They’d probably cheer him on as it’s all about finding another meat body to come back in.

    • Peter

      What wasn’t announced was what the T-Shirt’s slogan would be. Something you could proudly wear in public? Or only at some scn event?

      • Good point….it’s probably blank until you pony up a few thousand more then you get ‘I’m a HUMANITARIAN’ on it! 🙂

        • The language has been changed. Now the Scientologist isn’t a Humanitarian; they lay down a Humanitarian (or two) on the table as their donation. It’s a unit of cash like a Benjamin (or a whole lot of Benjamins).

      • Captain Howdy

        ….

        • Stacy

          Marvin Martian being one of the coolest cartoon characters, EVER.
          “Where’s the earth-shattering kaboom?”

          • take my love
            take my land
            take me where I cannot stand
            I don’t care
            I’m still free
            you can’t take my kaboom from me

            • beauty for ashes

              ^^^^^upvote for firefly reference^^^

            • Verve

              double upvote

      • chukicita

        • David Miscavige was Tom’s last best man. I think he gets more than a t-shirt. (“Tom’s last best man” sounds a bit odd. Good thing Tom is totally heterosexual.)

          • chukicita

            I was thinking that perhaps Cruise gave DM a box of these Tshirts (so he could wear a fresh one every day) and they’re being “repurposed” for the totally unrelated LRH Hall Fundraiser…

          • Tracy Schmitz

            as i’ve said for years, what kind of man makes their “religious” leader their best friend? what so called “religious” leader EVEN HAS a best friend in the first place! that violates every single rule unspoken or not, wrote or not, on propriety, decorum, sanctity, favoritism, you name it! ANYONE AND EVERYONE KNOWS THIS, except ole tommie and davey? it would be like a teacher having a student, a general/colonel and a private or any other person in authority with someone under them, as their best friend, hanging out together and favoring them above all others! no doubt ole tommie thinks “well, see that is why david is so great! UNLIKE ALL THOSE OTHER leaders of religions and other leaders (he has met them all of course!) he, that is david doesn’t think he’s above everyone! he’s so down to earth, he is just a regular guy!

            • Robert Eckert

              Me and my homey Pope Francis were cruising the boulevard, you know, just chillin’ on a Friday night, and I sez to him, “Frankie” (I always call him Frankie) “have you ever considered trading in this lame old Popemobile on, like, a red Corvette? I mean a real ‘vette from 1964 or so. YOLO, right?”

    • Stacy

      While it’s sort of amazing that $1000 donors will get anything other than a certificate and a mention, if I donate just $10 to NPR, I’ll get a t-shirt AND a coffee mug. Scientology is such a jip.

    • Sid

      A t-shirt for $1,000 sounds about right for Scientology. Actually more than they usually give for the money they get. (F5)

      • Stacy

        Ok, I’d buy one of these. No more than $5, ok?

        • Sid

          For $5 in Scientology they might email you a picture of a t-shirt.

          • Stacy

            In CoS, they’d probably lock me up and reg me for days on end for only ponying up $5.

            • Sid

              And if that didn’t work you would get sec-checks (at your expense of course).

            • Stacy

              I’d love to see them try to reg or sec check me. They’d be in for a very big surprise. I’m pretty mellow, until someone tries something like a hard sell on me. That stuff really p*sses me off.

      • joan nieman

        Now that is clever!

    • chukicita

      I’m waiting for “Elron will *come back* if you donate $10 million RIGHT now!”

    • shasha40

      I sure hope he tries it . It’d be a great footbullets to start the new year with ! hee hee

      • We should do a pre-2015 poll of how many foot bullets we think they might rack up next year!

        • shasha40

          I predicted 47 gazillion-fafillion footbullets ! It is tiny member after all . 😀

  • HillieOnTheBeach

    It kind of defeats the purpose when 6 out of 9 LRH Hall statuses lists “priority access & seating at events” as a benefit.

    • Peter

      As long, however, if you can pass your current sec check.

  • Peter

    It’s really sad that Dianetics had no positive effect on the Travolta’s son, may he rest in piece. And if the Travoltas can remain “true believers”, why should the SO members tenaciously hanging on surprise us?

    • MaxSpaceman

      Truly sad, Peter- Jett’s death needn’t’ve occurred, it seems very likely, if he’d gotten the anti-seizure medication and other medicine he needed for his health. And the Travolta’s just ‘love’ how they learned through scientology to “…help others and save lives …”

      • Peter

        What Ayn Rand described as “blank out”.

  • Boxing Day, when Canadians strap on the gloves and head down to the malls for the post-Christmas sales. Madness? This is 50% off!

    http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-H-UydkymhiY/U9VOUotF8TI/AAAAAAAABBw/FN1BFS1SJeU/s1600/gym3.png

    • Missionary Kid

      There’s no 50% off in $cientology, ever.

      • Only after they’ve bumped the price far more, so that they can give a fake discount. Like the price lists where, after the price, they list the fabulous discount to IAS members. Except that IAS membership is mandatory, and no one pays that original price.

        • Missionary Kid

          I forgot about that trick. Retailers use it all the time.
          Of course it’s not a real discount, or at least not as much as claimed.

      • Captain Howdy

        You can get it for FREE if you shop around.

        • Missionary Kid

          Not from Co$, itself.
          We get stuff from $cientology free all the time, but it’s through the Bunker.

          • Captain Howdy

            Is not the “tech” freely available on the internet?

            • Missionary Kid

              Yup, but we get the most updates here. Co$ never gives the tech away or discounts it unless it’s part of a bait and switch.

            • Captain Howdy

              There is no new tech and I was being flippant to begin with. It wasn’t meant to be taken literally.

            • Missionary Kid

              You’re right. There’s nothing new, just reinterpretation.
              If it could, $cientology would bill for the air one breathes, or the space ones meat sack takes up.

          • joan nieman

            Yes we do get free information and it is all guaranteed truth. It has never cost us a cent.

  • Sejanus

    $ientology Fundraising. Nothing if not predictable.

    Not sure why I am so enraged over the Travolta;s comments.
    How did the Tech help Jett again?????

    • shasha40

      Yeah , Inquiring minds want to know …

      • Tracy Schmitz

        exactly, can you imagine! if anyone whether someone on the street, a person at a premiere of his, a journalist, anyone dare say “how come scientology didn’t help your son?” just a simple question like that!

        • shasha40

          …and , Boom ! * JT is speechless …

  • Dr_Orpheus

    How many is LRH Hall supposed to seat anyway? In this era of 47x expansion, they will soon need something far bigger than a football stadium to hold more than a tiny fraction of their total membership.

  • Jonathan Cummings

    It is amazing how much Jon Travolta and his beard, I mean wife, talk about the wonders of their cult when their stupid adherence to Scientology and it’s insistence that Autism is a farce to pump kids full of drugs most likely KILLED their son. They refused to give Jet the necessary treatment to keep him alive and well. John and his wife did not give their son a chance! Scientology kills!

    • Frank Lee

      AMEN! There are some amazing autistic people who have accomplished so much, including Temple Grandin and Raun Kaufman. The deciding factor over their success or failure? Dedicated parents who believed in them! Poor Jet never had that type of selfless parent.

      • Peter

        The film of Temple’s work was truly inspiring. And we’ve got autistic kids now who are brilliant musicians and one a mathematics genius, studying college level quantum physics at 15! His Mom refused all drugs and simply watched to see what caught his interest, then provided him with as much of that as he wished.

        • Frank Lee

          I know of one autistic boy whose doctors told his parents at age three that he would never accomplish much in his life. His mother sat out to study neuro-connectors and therapy techniques and was very active in his education. That boy is now a senior in high school, has not been in special ed for three years and is taking engineering and physics!

          • Peter

            Check out Jacob Barnett on Ted Talks:

            ► 18:11www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uq-FOOQ1TpE

          • joan nieman

            Good story.

          • Ella Raitch

            I have a child with intellectual disabilities and I effing hate these stories as they suggest that parents of similarly afflicted children who do not go on to make great gains simply do not try hard enough. Bollocks. I submitted to all of the therapy when my child was younger at an extreme mental cost and there was no observable effect on my child, who remains non-verbal and with significant development delays (although extremely happy). Autism is a spectrum disorder – variations in the outcomes for different children probably have as much if not more to do with the severity/nature of the underlying disorder.

            • Frank Lee

              There was absolutely no condemnation of parents in my post, nor none intended. It is my belief that challenged children are angels sent from heaven to test our humanity. Sometimes, despite all our best efforts, there are things we simply cannot understand nor change. Most of all Ella, I have no doubt your child knows you love him/her and that is the most important blessing you could give.

            • Ella Raitch

              Thank you Frank.

    • flexible

      I wouldn’t be surprised if the viewpoint held about John’s son was that, as a Being.. he was extremely PTS and picked up that “autistic body” due to past overts and PTSNESS, or being “stuck” in a past track incident. And that auditing would get him “unstuck” and correct the condition. Sick as that is.. it IS how they think. And as I used to be up close to those who would chat about these types of things over lunch in the staff dining room.. I betcha it is so.

      • MaxSpaceman

        scientology is as destructive as Christian Science; people suffer horrifically and some die, all because their parents believe the nonsense/healing of these “religions”.

      • Tracy Schmitz

        scary but most likely TRUE! it was their son’s own fault for him being the way he was! oh well, just one lifetime gone, he’ll have another one soon or already has one!

  • Narapoid

    That audio clip of a 40 something Hubbard steering a 20 something Mary Sue really is the smoking gun, as Tony puts it. It is a bit long at an hour, but you will get the picture straight away, and little jewels pop up.

    Another link to it: http://tonyortega.org/2014/06/17/rare-tape-reveals-how-l-ron-hubbard-really-came-up-with-scientologys-space-cooties/

  • BosonStark

    L. Ron Hubbard returns to honor John Travolta’s back door…
    http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b582/Kkkkzzzz/Trav1b_zps4d4a0895.jpg

    • Captain Howdy

      Excellent.

    • Stacy

      That’s a pretty bad rug JT’s rockin. Of course, he still looks at least 47 x more attractive than that LRH bust. Ugh! Look at those lips!

    • chukicita

      ^^^ photo of the “Special LRH Presentation” for those who cough up $100K for the LRH Hall?

    • VickiStubing

      nice fish lips

  • Sid

    I think the promise of OT 8 is what many got in for (and stayed in for). (F5)

    • chukicita

      They should have kept the “Section 8” title. Ron was so influenced by his military days.

      • Sid

        Here’s the story of how the ‘Sir’ thing came about.

        When Ron was living in Dunedin (just north of the Flag base) he was arriving home one day and his housekeeper was out front. She saw him come up the walkway and said “Hi Ron”. He said nothing. The next day the policy on calling all seniors (even women) sir as a token of respect.

        I guess he didn’t feel ‘respected’ that day when lowly housekeeper called him Ron.

        • flexible

          We called LRH Sir and all other “Officers” , Sir, on the Apollo. It was done long before The Flag Base. He may not have had a policy written on it until then, but we all used “Sir’ to address the CMO, to the CS’s 1 through 7.. anyone basically, with a rank higher than ones own.

          • Sid

            Yes, I meant when the policy had come out. Thanks for the correction. (Do I still need to go to Qual?)

            • flexible

              Sid.. Gotcha. Yes I would say Qual would be appropriate…I think perhaps 50 hours of word clearing “sequences”. After reading every page of the newly Abridged Heritage Dictionary. The really BIG one. :0) lolol Oh.. and then you will have to write a 25 page success story, recruit your family onto staff and donate $1,000,000,000 to the new LRH Hall Loo.

            • Sid

              Damn! Again?

            • Mark Foster

              Hey, phock it, Sid, cuz considerations are senior to mest, right? Start!

            • Sid

              Number of time through equals poverty (I mean certainty, or,,).

          • Missionary Kid

            That just shows how delusional Co$ is. It is not, nor has if ever been a military organization. It consists of a caste system based not on birth or accomplishment, but on the production of money for Co$. The fact that it insists on the usage of “sir,” is only an indication of caste.

            $cientology devalues everyone who doesn’t contribute the maximum, regardless of the cost to themselves or their family.

            • Stacy

              Yet, CoS pushes the whole “Ron was just a guy and everyone called him Ron.” Another deception they practice. LRH wanted worship and respect. He had to force it upon many.

            • Missionary Kid

              It’s all a part of his structured mindfuck that he put forth to keep people in thrall to him and to his organization.

            • Peter

              Hell, my Dad was almost blind so could only get into the Coast Guard Reserve in 1942. But all of us siblings learned to use “sir” and “ma”am” when speaking to elders in particular. I’ve never found it either difficult or demeaning.

            • Missionary Kid

              O.K., but what about addressing some much younger pipsqueak in a fake navy that way?

            • Peter

              Would hardly hurt me. I’ve done professional auditions for casting directors 20-25 years my junior and still used “yes, sir” and “no, sir.” It’s a lifelong habit and I’m aware of it. I see no reason to either change it or get upset over it.

            • joan nieman

              I couldn’t do it. It is too ridiculous. ,It is not a military-based organization. How may wars have they fought?

            • Missionary Kid

              They’ve only made war against the government, psychs, wogs, and SPs.

      • ScientologyDoesNotExist

        Bingo!

    • Bleuler

      I am sure this has been discussed before but when did the switch happen. Was LRH still alive? If not, wouldn’t that be against their own so called rules?

      • Sid

        I think this particular one was pre-1974 but there were changes after that. I’m not sure when the thing changed from incredible to lame.

      • Anonymous

        George White did the first version of OT VIII that had the LRH = Lucifer inference in July of 1988. He says they were calling him within six months of that time to re-do OT VIII because there were “problems” with the version he did. There was a backlash by many of the other folks that had done the same version as George.

        Am not exactly sure when the Grade Chart changed to reflect the “primary cause of amnesia” EP, the but believe that it was late 89 – early 90(ish)…roughly coincident with a re-issue of many of Hubbard’s newly re-edited books (well before the mid-2000’s re-issue named the “Basics.”

        • Sid

          Exactly.

        • joan nieman

          It’s like trying to make sense of nonsense.

          • Missionary Kid

            It’s entirely appropriate that is a part of the TRs.

    • Captain Howdy

      So it went from becoming the Silver Surfer to you gaining the ability to remember where you parked your chariot in 20 B.C?

      • Stacy

        I guess if you think you have the ability to move back and forth on “the whole track,” knowing where you left your chariot in 20B.C. could be important. That is, if it wasn’t all a big, steaming pile of crap.

      • Sid

        Ha. That about sums it up perfectly. Actually it would be ‘possibly remember where you parked your chariot’ as it only handles the primary reason. There could be a million other reasons why you don’t remember.

      • Verve

        Chariot parking spots were a big deal back then, too? -snarfle-

    • Tracy Schmitz

      so when they reach the higher OT levels and realize “what? i don’t have all these powers!” what in the WORLD DO THEY THINK????!!!!! do they truly (brainwashed!) think “huh, i should have these powers, i guess it’s my fault, i’m not trying hard enough, i need to be even more dedicated, then it will all work!?!” if this is how they think, not only are they brainwashed they are insane or at the very least i severe mental issues!

      • Sid

        It means you missed something or made some error on a lower level. Please go re-do your purification rundown and objectives. (at your expense of course)

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        I think that is guided by your own Sunk Cost and Lack of ability to cut bait and recognize it, because YOU R FUUUUUkeeeed!!!

  • Sid

    If we could just bring back the old OT 6 we wouldn’t need a damn hall. Thetans don’t take up any space. (F5)

  • 0tessa

    I have a real Christmas spirit story for you.
    2 daughters of one of my best friends had been exposed to the ‘tone scale’ sacramentum of Scientology from a very young age on. They visited a Scientology school, where they were constantly pressed to be ‘up tone’ (high on the tone scale). They were not allowed to have proper emotions, let alone express them.
    On Christmas Eve they had dinner with their mother. After so many years (20+) they finally decided it was now or never to talk about this episode in their life and to tell their mother how they suffered from this oppression of their emotions.
    Fortunately their mother was able to really listen to them and help them understand it. She left the church some years ago and is still having some difficulty in adjusting her new ‘status’, i.e. thinking for herself. Now she was able to really understand her daughters and accept their emotions. It is the start of a healing process for all three.
    Needless to say this turned out to be a very happy Christmas Eve.
    When she told me about this, I told her I was very proud of her.

    • Missionary Kid

      Now THAT is a great Christmas Story.

      • 0tessa

        Thank you. I felt I really had to share this with the Bunkerites.

        • Missionary Kid

          May we have many more like it.

        • ScientologyDoesNotExist

          Thank you, Otessa. Just popping in for a moment on a busy weekend. This makes the best Christmas story – full of hope and healing and a future day of reunion for others. This is the joy and spirit of Christmas in spades. Just wonderful.

    • Juicer77

      What a wonderful story! Here’s to an even better 2015.

    • Missionary Kid

      Here’s another thought. Perhaps some of the reasons that artistic types are convinced that $cinetology has benefitted them is that while it has taught them to subvert their emotions to LRH’s tone scale, they have their artistic pursuits to release them. In addition, they tend not to be as conversant with real science, so the fake LRH science sounds reasonable to them. Note I said, “tend.” There are plenty of people who are both artistic and scientific, but $cientology is all based upon emotion, and uses it to overwhelm reason.

      • Tracy Schmitz

        and plays to their overwhelming narcissism, self absorption mixed with massive ego issues and insecurity (celebs i’m referring to).. i mean, how great is that they are revered for what they do AND they have found a “religion’ that is all about them, making them the best they can be, and ONLY THEN AFTERWARDS they can help mankind and others?! what a win win situation!

      • Bob

        I have found that Scn helps artists up to a point. It helps stabilize them to a point of competent mediocrity. I do not see any great art coming from fully programmed artistic clams. This includes painters, writers, actors and musical artists. Scientology ultimately stifles the artist. The tone scale, good and bad emotions definitely is a main culprit. Hubbard himself says an OT should be able to freely move up and down the tone scale. He then contradicts himself with mountains of HCOBs and policy letters to the contrary. It’s great those kids I could see the negativity in the tone scale education. It brings up a very valid point. Good story Otessa.

        • Missionary Kid

          IMO, it’s all part of the trap. I think your statement rings true. Initially, they can use their art as a means for expression, but eventually, even that is throttled, as $cientology takes over all of their lives.

          I’ve said it before, but emotions are like an air mattress. You can step on it in one place to hold i down, but it pops up somewhere else.

          • Bob

            Very true. Great anology.

            • Missionary Kid

              Thanks, I’ve been using it for about 30 years. Damn. I’m getting old. At least I can tell really old jokes again because everyone’s younger and haven’t heard them the last time they went around.

            • Bob

              Age has its positive aspects.

            • Missionary Kid

              Except when I’ve been sitting too long in one place. 😉

            • Bob

              Understood.

            • richelieu jr

              What’s an ‘air mattress’ grandpa?

              Is it that bag you pee in on your leg?

            • Missionary Kid

              *Laugh* I’m not that far gone.
              Besides, I don’t pee on my emotions. 😉

      • Sid

        It could be also that Scientology caters somewhat to the narcissistic tendencies that some artistic types (not all) can have.

        • Missionary Kid

          IMO, it caters to all of our narcissistic tendencies. That’s what the love bombing is.

          • Sid

            That’s true. Damn, you are so smart. Scientology was actually giving out certs once for people who declared themselves to be ‘genius’. I’m sending you yours right away (for a large donation of course).

            • Missionary Kid

              I’m not that smart. It’s more a matter of having been around enough manipulative people and groups. Hopefully, wisdom has come with my age. 😉

            • Lady Squash

              I knew someone who had one of those Genius Certs. I’m not kidding. Truth be told, he was very smart. He was my favorite supervisor. The test for attaining that award was based on an article called “24 Characteristics that Genius’ Have in Common”. The funny thing is that the article was written by a Dr. Alfred Barrios, a clinical psychologist. The other funny thing is that I went to a seminar in the PAC Base about six years ago and the speaker presented that article in such a way as to make it seem like Hubbard wrote it. I was shocked by his audacity and was tempted to stand up and say, “Excuse me, a clinical psychologist wrote that.” But I wasn’t up to a trip to the gallows, so I kept my mouth shut and shook my head silently at the bazaarness of it all.

            • Sid

              It seems Hubbard stole pretty much most of what he wrote and the audacity in purporting ‘hisownself’ as source was pretty much the way of it in the cult.

        • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

          I have wrestled with that question. It seems apparent to me that most people involved in Scientology are not in the sciences. In Toronto, I believe there is one physician right now and over the years there has been only one other. I have seen engineers in Scientology and explain them as people who tend to be good at finding answers to difficult questions but have difficulty dealing with unanswerable. I have seen a few engineering drop outs, too. Scientology gives these people answers to unanswerable questions with a scientific gloss spread over the top. Some chiropractors I know deal in pseudoscience, others don’t. I do see chiropractors involved in Scientology.

          But most Scientologists I see are intuitive individuals and some make their livings through their intuitions. Their celebrities are celebrated in the arts– rarely in business, science or politics. The scientists don’t seem to be fooled as easily or as readily. Science also gives a person a good access to the job market and all the things that come with it. Their lives tend not to be as fluctuating and their ruins are often not close to the surface. And while Scientologists come in every shape and colour, I see quite a few Scientologists that are kind of stupid. I think people who have trouble reasoning are more likely to become members. They will be given a steady job and a sense of purpose through Scientology which they may not have found on their own.

          Anyway, I am not married to these ideas. One day, someone will do a study on who becomes a Scientologist and we will have a better idea. These are just my own thoughts through casual observations.

          • HillieOnTheBeach

            “I think people who have trouble reasoning are more likely to become members.”

            In the same spirit as your post.

            I think we can agree that there’s no “typical” profile of the scientologist. But as far as this quote is concerned, it’s not so much that (some) scientologists have trouble reasoning inasmuch as I think they’re somewhat overwhelmed by life and in response to a promise and claim of full determinism, kind of conveniently relinquish it all.

            In other words: “I’ll do and think what you say as long as YOU say that I’m the one making the decision.”

          • richelieu jr

            I also find that some chiropractors deal in pseudo-science, just like some dentists deal with teeth.

            And, as it happens, Scilontology is crawling with both (not teeth, sadly, though I’d LOVE to see that!)

          • Sid

            Dr Paul Jaconello
            Dr Kathleen Kerr
            Dr Zoltan Rona (left a long time ago)

        • richelieu jr

          Every time I’ve had the Scilons make a play for me it has been to my narcissism (I might be mistaken for an artist- Hubbard certainly would take me for one).

          I don’t believe one can be an artist (at least a public one) without having a strong narcissistic streak. I certainly do. When you put something you created out there and say ‘Look at this’, you automatically must feel it is worth looking at, otherwise why bother?

          I do agree that Hubbardism plays to everyone’s narcissism (“Saving the World”, “Superpowers!”, Meeting where you are given ‘secret knowledge’ of the impending cataclysm which will end the world, all play to self-images of heroic power (more so than scrubbing toilets and running around poles whilst confessing to Dave Miscavige that you insert your thumb in your butt when you touch yourself)

          And these are the more innocent come-ons (you’ll make more money, become a better/more successful actor!, etc..) There are more insidious ones aimed at giving you power over others (Which remind me of nothing so much as the ones African witch-doctors give out here in Paris which start out promising success, money and love potions, but finish by saying ‘she who has refused you will come crawling after you like a dog.”

          Of course these Marabouts are stand-up citizens compared to Hubbard or his humunculous, but you take my point…

          • Sid

            Well said.

      • doug

        From my experiences as an artist (I am an actor) and an ex-scientologist, I’ve come to the conclusion that Scientology literally hijacks and programs your imagination – through using hypnotic techniques to access the subconscious and implant very deeply and ‘permanately’ all sorts of false memories, visions, beliefs, conclusions, etc., which you then live out as your perceived and experienced ‘reality’. I feel that we’re all born with creative imagination, were never taught how to use it or how the mind works or how psychological manipulation works, how hypnosis works, what emotions are, that mind-control is very real and exists and how it all works, and how the occult works (we’re certainly not taught any of this in school, gee I wonder why). I don’t think it’s as simple as stated above. ANYONE can be subjected to a mind-control trap like Scientology that doesn’t have a working knowledge of the trap he has walked into, and a working knowledge of what’s possible to do with a person’s mind and spirit – only the ‘operator’ (L. Con) knows what’s happening to you.

        .

        • Missionary Kid

          You stated it better than I.

          I would say that even LRH probably couldn’t describe how things worked, but he worked out his methods by trial and error (or, as a friend of mine puts it, trial and terror), to develop the control system that is $cientology. I believe that Jon Atack does a better job of analyzing the psychological constraints and methods that $cientology uses than anyone else I’ve read.

          Purposely, they are all hidden from the victim, whatever their motivation is for walking in the door.

          There are means of encouraging creativity, but $cientology only uses the appearance of it (or, for that matter, any other desire a person may have) to lure people in so that they can bend them to the chult’s will.

          I agree that anyone can be seduced and trapped into $cientology. Even people who have a background in science, but it seems that there are few from the psychological fields who are lured in, probably because of the screening questions that would weed them out.

          LRH had his list of high profile people who he targeted to become members. It appears he was most successful with artists, particularly actors and musicians, and some writers. As a never-in, I have the feeling that the people involved with the Celebrity Centre get a version of $cientoltogy that is tailored to their insecurities and desire to improve their craft and to network with other artists.

          Study of mind control methods aren’t taught, unless one takes a particularly in depth class in psychology or has done a lot of reading on it. I guess I got my skepticism towards cults from working my way out of the mind prison of fundamentalist Christianity. Once free, I probably couldn’t be seduced.

          I had some time to kill years ago and allowed myself to get body routed by a cute woman in front of a Co$ building. In spite of the fact that she tried to disguise what she was doing (she took me into a building across the alley from the $cientology building) I knew exactly who she represented and what the “personality test” was. I was glad that I gave a fake name, address, and phone number when I noted that she had no interest in me beyond recruitment. She didn’t pick up on my subtle answer when she asked me if there was anything that bothered me in my life, and I answered that I really disliked people representing themselves as something they weren’t – meaning her.

          Being the son of Missionaries who spent their lives recruiting people for Jesus, I knew the drill.

    • aquaclara

      This is a terrific story, Otessa. I’m glad the girls really talked to their mother, and that somehow, they were able to break through the locked-in mindset that Scientology training instills. And now, 3 out, and learning from one another.

      This is what we hope for every day, while we read, and comment, and flag and up vote. If they read here, tell ’em about Tony’s good listening ears…..

  • chukicita

    I wonder how many folks are digging coins from the couch cracks, trying to scrape together $10,000 to see what the enticing “CSRT gift item” is (as if the “commendation” and “special LRH photo” weren’t enough!)

    As a pro fundraiser myself, I find it amusing that there is literally no difference between the “benefits” of giving $25,000 and $100,000 except word-clearing *commemorative* LRH presentation and *special* LRH presentation.

    Above $100K, you get a “personalized gift presentation,” better known as a Duggan hood ornament, ready for e-Bay.

    • NOLAGirl

      “Duggan hood ornament” Bahahaha!! Coffee everywhere. 🙂

      • Sid

        That one made me laugh too. All trophies should now be called ‘Duggan Hood Ornaments’.

        • Missionary Kid

          You’ve just coined a new meme.

        • Mark Foster

          ¨Ho, ho, ho, you get a D-H-O! ¨

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        Ah yes, the Duggenberg, the finest vehicle of it’s time….or really anytime along the whole track. (refresh)

  • Dale A.

    “the Man, L. Ron Hubbard, wrote a book called Dianetics that saved my life.” Comments like that go a long way to explaining the attachment for me. If I felt that way about some thing, I don’t know how easily I could see contradictory evidence, or listen to reason, or respond at all to anything that might modify such an electrifying experience.

    On top of that, there is his heady celebrity status, which Scientology secures for him. John Travolta did act out a few cool parts early on. But everything he has done since has shown him to be a niche entertainer, not any kind of actor.

    I imagine, that without Scientology, he’d have to face himself the way we all do, just a handful of soil that will eventually return.

    • Sid

      A lot of Scientologists say this “save my life” thing, but really it’s mostly in their head. They imagine something along the lines of ‘I might have gone down the wrong path that could have ended up in death but here I am still alive so therefore it saved my life’, and then boldly state that Scientology save their life. Common thread.

      • Dale A.

        Thanks Sid. Sigh. He probably just gets the mic cause he’s John Travolta. That’s the thing about mental illness. People persis in thinking they are so unique, and don’t realize how unoriginal their stories have become.

      • Jack99

        Apparently, if only Marilyn Monroe had been a scientologist, she would still be alive.

        • Sid

          She is living with Elvis in Vegas.

          • Stacy

            Wrong, they’re both hiding out on Grand Rapids, MI. 😉

            • Sid

              Maybe they live there but I was sure I saw them in Vegas recently.

            • VickiStubing

              Jimmy Hoffa lives next door.

            • Stacy

              That’s what I heard too.
              Weirdly, while still living in MI, I met one of the guys who’s widely believed to be responsible for Hoffa’s death. Tony Giacalone. Not an experience I’d ever care to repeat. Nasty little man.

            • Robert Eckert

              Somebody from my dorm hall was a waiter at Machus Red Fox the night Hoffa was last seen there. He had encountered “wise guys” at that place before but noticed nothing particularly unusual that evening. The most memorable event for him was that a flambe’ got a little out of hand and he had to beat out the flames with one of those dainty little towels.

            • 1subgenius

              What a coincidence. My mom was there with her poker group that day.

            • Stacy

              I’m surprised the dainty towel was up to a flambé. I guess we’ve all had weird experiences with the old MI mafia.

            • Sid

              Years ago I was quoting a renovation on a condo that had been owned by Hoffa. I jokingly asked, “If we tear up this section are we going to find Jimmy?” Oops. Silence. And I did not get the contract. I am not always known for my tact.

            • Stacy

              Yeah, I’ve said stuff like that before too. Mouth, meet foot. Oops! Still, no one does footbullets like DM.

          • villagedianne

            Elvis and Jim Morrison are CIA agents.

          • Jack99

            Now I’m picturing an old Monroe doing the talkshows Kirstie Alley style:

            “I have blocked him on Twitter, because he’s a bigot. I just won’t have people in my life that are that. When you say ‘Scientology is evil, all they want is my money’ you are my enemy. If somebody’s sitting there badmouthing your religion and saying that it’s hideous and evil, that’s not going to be your friend.”

          • Captain Howdy

            They are living in the Jungles of Brazil with Dr. Mengele. His anti-aging formula is keeping them young.

            • Sid

              They are having blonde twins.

        • Todd Tomorrow

          She’d have such a wretched case of chronic dry eye.

      • Todd Tomorrow

        “Common thread”, especially since it involved him and a shot of penicillin.

  • BosonStark
    • richelieu jr

      You should make the same shirt only with the eternal classic, “I’m with Stupid”

      On the front the arrow can point at Hubbard.
      On the back it can point to you, with one of his hands reaching for your wallet….

      • JennyAtLAX

        “I’m With Stupid”

        (Lyrics courtesy Pet Shop Boys, and have been updated for The Underground Bunker)

        Oh-oh, I’m with Stupid
        Oh-oh, I’m with Stupid

        See COB on the TV
        Call COB every day
        Fly across the ocean
        Just to let COB get his way
        No one understands me
        Where I’m coming from
        Why would I be with someone
        Who’s obviously so dumb?
        Love comes
        Love grows
        Every time COB rises to meet me
        Takes my hand to greet me
        Love comes
        Love grows
        And power can give COB
        Much more than anybody knows

        Oh-oh, I’m with Stupid
        Oh-oh, I’m with Stupid
        Oh-oh, I’m with Stupid
        Oh-oh, I’m with Stupid

        Before we ever met
        I thought like everybody did
        COB was just a moron
        A billion-dollar kid
        COB flew up all the way
        Like a hawk chasing a dove
        I never thought that I would be
        A sacrifice in love
        It comes
        It grows
        And now we’re tied together
        Everybody knows

        Oh-oh, I’m with Stupid
        Oh-oh, I’m with Stupid
        Oh-oh, I’m with Stupid
        Oh-oh, I’m with Stupid

        Is stupid really stupid
        Or a different kind of smart?
        Do we really have a relationship
        So special in COB’s heart?

        Oh-oh, I’m with Stupid
        Oh-oh, I’m with Stupid

        I have to ask myself
        Like any lover might:
        Has COB made a fool of me?
        Is he not Mr. Right?
        COB grins
        I pose
        It’s not about sincerity
        Everybody knows

        Oh-oh, I’m with Stupid
        Oh-oh, I’m with Stupid
        Oh-oh, I’m with Stupid
        Oh-oh, I’m with Stupid

        Is stupid really stupid
        Or a different kind of smart?
        That’s how COB stole my heart
        I’m with Stupid

        • richelieu jr

          Nice job!

          Here’s one for you Spanish speakers out there:

          “How do you say ‘fat, cyst-headed idiot con man’ en espagnol?”

          “El Ron”

  • Annabelle

    Geezuz, I don’t get the Travolta’s at all.
    I also don’t get and actually do not believe that the Pollacks made a recent million dollar donation. He was at bankruptcy’s door two years ago and trying to turn things around. But years previously, Ron and Mimi pledged 5 million to the Super Power Bldg and my guess would be that the church has just “adjusted” things around to put their names up as big donors to the Hall. I think it’s what the church would call an “acceptable truth” – in other words, a lie.

  • MaxSpaceman

    All the crazy came from Ron. La Quintas. Late 1970s. Clamwater established and growing. Int base established and growing. Ron disoriented in hiding. A criminally-convicted Felon in France. Wanted by Interpol throughout Europe. Fear of being brought to justice to face criminal charges in the U.S. of A., afraid of the FBI, the Police. From: Special Unit (SU), the most senior management of Sea Org, Commodore’s Messenger Organisation (CMO). Messenger: ‘Cowboy’. In the retelling:

    — “Hubbard’s number one and two priority… Priority One, in retrospect, at the time I was there: Don’t get arrested. Priority Two: Make sure to follow Priority One.”

    — “I don’t think many here [on the message board] understand how uninvolved he was in the development of tech going back for years. Most materials were other writers coming out over his name.”

    — “Why didn’t Hubbard make phone calls…. He didn’t have non-Scientology friends. I remember working on a letter to Bob Heinlein, which is the only non-Scientology friend I recall any friendly relationship with. His life was wrapped up in Scientology and those around him.”

    — “Everything Hubbard was aware of for many years was heavily censored. One couldn’t give him bad news, or complete news. He made erroneous judgments based upon this.”

    — “… the old man never fully trusted anyone…. well, except for two people [Pat & Annie Broeker]. It is my feeling, however, that his distrust of everyone was played upon, which led to his lowering his opinion of [David] Mayo. It was easy for him to believe that someone had turned, as, from his point of view, countless trusted people had turned through the years… people were afraid to tell him things and so he made bad, uninformed decisions. This made bad situations worse. They were bad to begin with, and they got worse.”

    — “His flaws were compounded by the fear he instilled in others, leading to ever worsening decisions. Paranoia, literally, not figuratively, was a fact of life.”

    — “Throw someone under the bus, that was the only way out. Name the person responsible for the wrong colored paint, or the poorly prepared dish, or the badly cleaned room…. put a head on the chopping block, for real or imagined offenses. It was a world that even now is difficult to explain.” [surely, a recounting of clinical paranoid delusion]

    — “One time he slapped someone, when he didn’t like what they said. – “It was Steve Irwin… groundskeeper [at La Quinta]… Hubbard was upset at something on the grounds. Whacked [Irwin] across the face.

    — “Most of his heavy-handedness was through screaming, cursing, belittling…”

    — “What purpose, I asked myself, was served in forwarding the salvation of mankind, by Hubbard ordering someone to be spit on? By striking a groundskeeper? By blackmailing a government official? By humiliating those around him who had dedicated their life to helping him save the world?”

    — “In the last many years of his life Hubbard was racked by physical and mental infirmities. The CMO {Commodore’s Messenger Organization} was the buffer that did their best to hide that image. The depth of his developing incoherence couldn’t be made public. Paranoia was just one aspect of the disintegration.”

    • villagedianne

      — “I don’t think many here [on the message board] understand how uninvolved he was in the development of tech going back for years. Most materials were other writers coming out over his name.”

      Yep. Study Tech was not his idea, either.

      • Phil McKraken

        Yes, but Slappy Tech was apparently his own creation.

      • MaxSpaceman

        Here’s how Messenger Cowboy witnessed “the tech” development, over years, working everyday for Hubbard.

        1. The old man gives an order such as, “Figure out the next OT level.” or “Modernize Dianetics and make it more powerful.”

        2. Someone is in charge of carrying it out. A messenger. Maybe Mayo.

        3. Research is done on any “source” materials on that subject.

        4. A logical progression in keeping with Scientology beliefs is established.

        5. A new bulletin is written, cutting and pasting old bulletins into it.

        6. A submission is made to the old man through the tech messenger. The tech messenger usually reads, understands, and can discuss the materials.

        7. The old man looks at a sampling of the bulletins submitted. (Sometimes). He then either adds, subtracts, goes off the deep end etc. after a brief look. Sometimes he asks the messenger to summarize. Usually, he then says, “okay on your okay”, and waves his hand at the other bulletins in the stack and says the same.

        8. Sometimes he does dictate-in additions.

        9. Sometimes he yells at parts that are actually pieces of bulletins which he wrote years earlier. I’ve had to declare the SP that wrote stuff before, which was included in the new bulletins, only to find out the SP trying to ruin Scientology by writing stuff… was him. That’s a nut shell. There may or may not be testing of the procedure before publicizing and carrying out the new procedures. http://www.mediafire.com/view/5itq92e61lec8i3/cowboy_threads.pdf

        • Mark Foster

          Yes, ¨nut shell¨ …indeed!

        • villagedianne

          It must have been tough for the ghost-writers, keeping track of what material was legit, and what was the product of those evil SP’s.

          Edit: Thanks for the link MaxSpaceman. Really interesting!

          • ze moo

            The most insidious of these SP was the semi-colon conspiracy. Because poor placement of punctuation marks has doomed many a civilization.

      • Mark Foster

        And Dianetics is a rip-off of Freud and others. Volney Mathison made the e-meter. And so on and blubbardly so forth…

    • Tracy Schmitz

      and once (yet again) again, NOT A SINGLE CELEB KNOWS ANY OF THIS? IN FACT, DON’T, WON’T, NEVER HAVE WILL even look into this? before, during or since their involvement with this cult as to what kind of ahem “man” hubbard really was?!! like i’ve posted ad nauseum that defies all logic, sanity and common sense! (or if they do indeed know or that is heard some of this stuff no doubt it’s all rumors and lies, lies, lies)

      • MaxSpaceman

        the dark Hubbardthink and/or the HubbardWorld Ethics hold all of them in the scientology implant.

  • Sid

    I’m surprised to see Ron Pollack’s name on the LRH Hall big donators list. He isn’t at the same financial level he was back in the heyday of Bulldog Capital Management. I guess the church doesn’t care if their parishioners finances are shrinking as long as theirs are growing.

    • So long as they don’t have to cough it back as proceeds of a crime, they don’t care if their parishioners stole the money.

      • Steve Fishman.

        • I think they had to cough back some of Reed Slatkin’s money. I don’t think they had to return any of Rex Fowler’s money, but even if we looked at the reasons why not, and read it, we would not understand anything in it. Because it is way above a normal person and we would not know what it meant.

          • Sid

            It’s simply the greatest good. Wogs just don’t get it.

  • Richard Grant

    Now seriously, what will happen if I write a check for $1 and send it to this building donation fund? Will the church put me on a mailing list and spend $50,000 in postage over the next decade sending me stuff like this?

    • Sid

      That is exactly what would happen.

      • Richard Grant

        I was on the mailing list for a while in the 70s. They used to send postage-paid return envelopes with the various fliers and newsletters and whatnot. Sometimes I would load a bunch of household trash into a box and tape the post-paid envelope to the front and pop it in the mail. I was young. I feel terribly guilty now.

        OTOH, I did get a laugh when somebody commented a while ago that they used to do the exact same thing.

        • ze moo

          If you ever get on their mailing list again, mail back bricks.

          • Richard Grant

            Oh my god, if I had only thought of that. Thank you ze moo.

          • 3feetback-of-COS

            Maybe fill out the forms with the name, address’ and phone number of one of the cult lawyers (or someone else you don’t like)?? Nah, that’s too nasty and cruel. Don’t do it.

        • joan nieman

          Good idea returning garbage for garbage. Nothing wrong with that.

        • Verve

          Not with $ci, but I used to send back the post-paid envelopes with fliers/ads from other mailers. I’d try to mix it up nicely, like cross-sending Democrat and Republican mailings back to the other party. Yes, I was a bad monkey. No, I don’t feel bad for it since I never requested their crap in the first place. (This was before the age of massive telemarketing.)

        • richelieu jr

          I actually did go in and ask for classes and pay a down payment on the first using the name and coordiantes of the guy who had repeatedly harassed, stalked and finally sexually aggressed my ex…

          I got ‘routed in’ by a sweet girl who quickly found my ruin: Much like the son in Inception, I had inherited my father’s fortune 500 company, but didn’t care for business and had hated him, having run away at 15 and made my first million by myself in computing technology…

          Why should I accept all that money, when I knew it was made immorally and by a man who had beaten me and done.. terrible tings…. Perhaps if I found a charitable group that represented everything he’d hated, who cared about changing things, not just politics, but the way people think…

          But I guess that’s jsut wishfulthinking, I said, standing up from the e-meter (which caught NOTHING) to take my leave.

          I can just imagine his face if I gave it to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi,I laughed! I’m sure he needs another Rolls Royce (someone on this list corrected me the other day on this, but this story took place in the mid-80’s, so.. Before the other day…)

          I had those regges so worked up they were practically crawling all over each other to get out the door first..

          He looked a lot like me, as well, and I did send the occasional note lamenting that they’d never bothered to follow him up, so why should he take their religion seriously? No way he was going to fritter away his inheritance waiting for them to show up. Perhaps he’d take a trip around the world and check out Hinduism and Buddhism?

        • richelieu jr

          Do you guys know the famous story of the practical joke war between Alfred Hitchcock and Peter Lorre?

    • Unex Skcus

      The thought of every Bunkeroo doing the same amuses me. Regrettably, that would lead to the complete deforestation of South America.

  • Sid

    A Scientology “IDEAL T-SHIRT” would be one that is too big, and you’re expected to grow into it even though you are so broke from donating that you can’t afford to eat.

  • Unex Skcus

    How many is this new Hall supposed to seat? 47?

  • BosonStark

    As far as that special LRH photo, hey, save your money.
    http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b582/Kkkkzzzz/NLRH3_zpsa8953f43.jpg

    • NOLAGirl

      MY EYES!! MY EYYYEES!

      Pass the Bunker eye bleach. 🙂

      • Eivol Ekdal

        Pass the hot poker when you are done, Thanks.

      • Richard Grant

        NOLAGirl here you are. I was just catching up with Disqus notifications a while ago and found a lovely and touching message from you.

        Thank you so much! And I hope you got the honeymoon pictures from me and your keyboard.

        • NOLAGirl

          You are very welcome. I am looking forward to reading it. (((((hugs))))))

      • Newiga

        When you are done with the bleach, be a dear and pass it over to me… What haz been seen, cannot be unseen… T_T

    • Sid

      That photo will become the centerfold picture in the new set of Nutterpedia.

      • Eivol Ekdal

        Fold-out, life-size?

        • Sid

          And blow up. Put your orders in now.

          • Missionary Kid

            It’ll only cost you $10K, and it’s only in the new, special addition.

            • BosonStark

              No vanity symbols in the special $1M humanitarian low-hangers edition.

            • Dr_Orpheus

              They should charge members $100k not to have to look at it again, ever!!!!!!!

            • Sid

              Yes! Buy three!

    • Unex Skcus

      That is worthy of a Month in the forthcoming Co$ calendar!

    • Newiga

      Pass the eye bleach,please!

    • Verve

      I need to go visit Mrs. Verve, right now. RIGHT NOW!
      (edit- so as to remove this image from my mind, NOT because I’m turned on. ick)

    • Shelly Britt Corrias

      I fear I will have nightmares after this.

  • ze moo

    Jenna Elfman gets a shout out in radar {we don’t check any ‘source’} on line story from Carmen Llywelyn. Nothing special, just Elfman earning her ‘confront’ stripes.

    http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2014/12/carmen-llywelyn-jenna-elfman-scientology/

    • Jack99

      “Furthermore, Ms. Llywelyn has no knowledge of the Church today, having been expelled from the Church twelve years ago.The Church does not condone violence, believes in tolerance, does not interfere in the personal affairs of its parishioners and has a record that speaks for itself in helping countless people lead addiction-free lives.”

      Ha! I’m counting five lies just in that one paragraph.

    • Captain Howdy

      Jenna Elfman is jihadi level crazy. She wouldn’t hesitate to go a martyr mission if D.M ordered her to.

      • ScientologyDoesNotExist

        Trying talking to her if you’re not on her special friends list. I still have the scars from the freeze burn I got. She’s just not that special.

        • Observer

          Refresh

          • I’d just like to say that we had one of those elves decades before the whole “Elf on the Shelf” story and matching conspiracy theory were invented.

        • Captain Howdy

          She volunteered for OSA duty and from what I understand she told them she was willing to do anything.

    • Tony Ortega

      It’s been really tough to stay quiet about this Radar “series.” I’ll just say that I interviewed Carmen extensively four years ago about her “harassment” — and then never wrote a word. Make of that what you will.

      Next up: The National Enquirer is going to make something thoroughly old and already picked over from about 2006 (involving Cruise, naturally) sound like it’s a new bombshell.

      • Perhaps TMZ can supply the .. *ah-choo*! .. frosting on the cake?

      • ze moo

        The number and placement of Carmen’s stories in various tabloids speaks to a ‘anything for publicity’ agenda. I place her stuff up on the shelf along with ‘TC abandons Suri’ and the various NarCONon shills on prweb and of course, ‘bigfoot alien space babies’ in the National Enquirer.

        Of all the ex clam stories out there, I still can’t believe that Laura DeCrescenzo’s story hasn’t received wider coverage. Perhaps that will change with upcoming court dates.

      • Anonymous

        But Tony – you are doing actual reporting….and trying to use credible sources.

        Radar is doing celebrity gossip…where the credibility of sources (or even the existence of sources) is irrelevant.

      • Too bad. If she could tell a coherent truthful story, I would feel compelled to read it. Why is Jason Lee so into it? How was he able to convince so many people to join? Why did she finally leave? Why the he!! did she name her kid “Pilot Inspecktor”? Was she high?

      • Artoo45

        I belive the technical term is “Bonkers.” Just because someone speaks ill of the cult doesn’t mean they’re not fabricating a story for attention and or revenge. This is why your reporting is believeable.

        • Captain Howdy

          I thought she wasn’t wrapped too tight and kinda of a drama queen. There’s obviously some truth mixed in the mess but all it takes is one bad bit to sour the whole thing.

          • Bury_The_Nuts

            True enough. It is not like this stuff isn’t nutty enough….every time you add BS to it…It just circumvents the point.

      • Todd Tomorrow

        I think you mean,” Bomb”. Seems like this celeb needs some attention!

    • villagedianne

      Llywelyn gives a pretty good description of the Scientology celeb mentality. Their involvement in COS and progress up the bridge is another huge ego-trip for them.

  • Robert Eckert

    Do they really send you a T-shirt after you donate $1000, or do they tell you, with lots of exclamation-point tech, that the DESIGN for your Ideal T-shirt is now DONE!!!!!!! and now you have to move on to the next phase?

    • joan nieman

      Yes. You must always move on to the next phase and that means more money.

  • Rod Keller

    You can see more photos from the opening of the Bayhead house on this page:

    http://seccheck.wordpress.com/2014/11/15/lrh-home-bayhead/

  • I was talking to another SP about the “Scientology Cross.” We figured it was a cross on top of another cross-a double-cross. How appropriate!

    • joan nieman

      The church of double crossers.

    • It’s Alester Crowley’s tarot card design. It’s literally a crossed-out Christanic cross.

  • Snake Plissken

    “Give Scientology $1,000 and all you’ll get is this lousy T-shirt”

    Yeah but it won’t be just any kind of T-shirt, it will be one that matches the certificates and trophies you get for giving $100,0000, it will be the most huge and gaudy shirt imaginable

    https://photos.travelblog.org/Photos/64401/537544/f/5524415-Huge_shirt-0.jpg

    • TheMirrorThetan

      That is a second hand Krusty shirt.

  • Lurkness

    For the newer readers, the mystery remains if the house the Chult purchased was actually the one used by Hubbtard when he wrote Dianutty. The pictures from the era always seem to show him at the house across the street. Of course, when the Chult purchased the house that was recently dedicated, they lied to government officials and said they only intended to use it for single family occupancy and specifically denied it would be used as a public museum. {Shocking behavior by the Chult–and it’s so out of character for them}.

    Also, as BTN pointed out awhile back, Sara looks like Miscavige (1st pic is Sara, non-wife #2, with Alexis). Can’t be unseen once you see the resemblance. refresh….

    • Lurkness

      And no, it is not a shoop of Sara/Miscavige.

    • Still_On_Your_Side

      Is there a photo?

      • Lurkness

        should be photos if you refresh. F5

    • Tony Ortega

      It is interesting that Hubbard appears to be standing in front of 670 East Ave in those photos. But in letters he sent to Robert Heinlein in early 1950, he clearly marks a letter and an envelope “Box 666, Bay Head, NJ”

      So I don’t think the photos prove that the church bought and renovated the wrong house, as fun as that would be if it were true.

      • Sid

        All that might separate #666; #670 could be semi-colon.

        • BosonStark

          Also, the # on one of our houses was changed while we lived there.

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          Or a made up Hubbardian Tool Adress of the “Beast”.
          What a Twa+!

      • Lurkness

        Obviously, the “landmark” house’s address of 666 is most appropriate. The house he stayed in was owned by John Campbell (Publisher of Amazing Science Fiction). Online real estate records were not helpful in finding which property Campbell owned.

        My google map picture of house is deceptive—think house across the street, which is actually ocean front, is 659 or 661 East Ave. The 670 came from google as I was moving around the map. LRH probably posed there for the pictures as it is a more impressive home.

    • BosonStark

      He probably stood in front of the neighbor’s house to throw off SMERSH, but it is peculiar.

  • edge

    Well if they can get away with charging $400 in their Christmas catalogue for a simple discman and cheap headphones with portable EQ and call it “Clearsound”, then charging $1000 for a T-shirt isn’t out of line for them. When the shirt eventually fades or rips do they give you a new one for free, or do you have to pony up another $1000?

    • Techie

      Don’t forget, Edge, the Clearsound Discman also has a whacky headphone amp, with dyslexic cross-coupled reconstituted true stereo sorta sound. All the lectures were recorded mono, they go through extensive processing to “spread the stereo image” out a bit so you don’t go ravingly insane after listening to a dead centered mono bass enhanced L Ron Hubbard right in your face for hundreds of hours. Then they process the stereo a bit more right in the headphone driver, feeding a bit of the left into the right and vice versa. Don’t ask me why this makes sense to somebody, it made no sense to me even when I was “in” and working on these units. To the self-deluded “audiophile” tastes of the Divine Master $400 is a 1000% discount.

      • Missionary Kid

        Divine Master is now on the DM Nicknames list. Thanks.

  • Still_On_Your_Side

    The church submitted to the Texas Court of Appeals “additional authority” because the court had asked what authority existed to support dismissal of Monique Rathbun’s case under the Anti-SLAPP statute if her claims were mixed claims- some allegedly arising from protected activities (under the First Amendment) and some not. The only “additional authority” the church could find was the California state court’s dismissal of the Woodward case pursuant to the church’s Anti-SLAPP motion, a case filed by a former church member that involved a refund of $200,000, and a case based on breach of contract and fraud. Monique’s case involves none of these claims.

    Monique has now fired back arguing that there are other precedential cases denying an Anti-SLAPP motion in mixed claims cases, that the Woodward case is not akin to her case, that she has not complained about protected activities, and the Woodward case is not even final since there is a hearing on his motion for reconsideration on January 7, 2015. She also has argued that, even if her claims were mixed, a dismissal of all the claims by granting an Anti-SLAPP motion gives a carte blanche license to wrong doers. All a wrong doer would have to do is claim one of the complained about activities was a protected activity, and the court would have to dismiss all claims if an Anti-SLAPP motion was filed. So, (my interpretation), the church’s argument is that if a woman sues a business in civil court, claiming that the agents of the business harassed her, interfered with her employment contracts, stalked her, sent “sex toys” to her co-workers “from her,” and stood outside her house carrying signs protesting her political views, the business could file an Anti-SLAPP motion against her, claiming that “the protest” was a protected activity and the court would have to dismiss all of her claims.

    In the event that the appellate court was seriously considering relying on a lower court decision of another state, and seriously considering relying on that decision to dismiss a case involving unbelievable harrassment of a woman who was never a member of the Church of Scientology, then Monique’s submission was necessary. If the appellate court grants the church’s appeal when there is little or no precedent for doing so, and where the church’s activities more likely fall under Texas’s criminal statutes, not the First Amendmendment, then there is something very, very wrong in Texas,

    • ze moo

      “Ms. Rathbun’s claims should be dismissed even if some of them do not arise out of protected activity.” In essence, the clam attorneys say because a ‘chirch’ is involved, everything they do is ‘religious’. I can’t believe any court will go along with such an argument.

    • Anonymous

      Agree with most of your analysis.

      Scientology is attempting to gain 1st Amendment legal cover for their Fair Game conduct as part of their religious practice. This is true not just in the Monique suit, but in other litigation as well.

      Rathbun and Rinder are the biggest current dangers to Scientology gaining that legal cover because both are well aware of the church policies that drive such conduct, the history of that conduct and the tactics the church will use in court to get protection for that conduct.

      Monique as proxy for Marty in this suit is amusing because as she was never a member of the church it is going to be hard to win an argument that the conduct she has been subjected to is any sort of religious discipline… from a religious group she never joined.

      To the degree that all such litigation frames the Fair Game conduct of Scientology as contrary to public policy, regardless of the religious intent, that litigation is more likely to be successful. Going down the rabbit hole of discussing Scientology’s practices as they relate to Scientology “scripture” is a loser’s game…which is exactly why the church constantly baits litigants into such arguments, then does an about-face at the last moment and argues SLAPP (or related positions) to escape normal legal consequences for it’s intolerable conduct.

    • Richard Grant

      Wow, thanks for this cogent analysis. You’ve laid things out so clearly that even I can get the picture!

  • TheMirrorThetan

    Poor Denise, no wonder she had to hit the wacky ‘bacy, imagine having The Unflushable Floating Turd as your Twin.

    • Missionary Kid

      I’ve added “The Unflushable Floating Turd” to the list of DM nicknames.

  • Panopea Abrupta

    Exclusive $1000 T-shirt

    Imported from Venus, this unique tee is meticulously crafted by free-range psych drug-free body-thetans while vacationing in the Van Allen Belt. This exclusive design has the same meticulous attention to detail that characterized the costumes in Battlefield Earth.
    Comfortable, casual and loose-fitting, our organic heavyweight t-shirt will quickly become one of your favourites. Made from 6.0 oz, pre-shrunk 100% fair-trade moonbeams, postulates and intention, it will raise your tone level to + 47. We’ve double-needle stitched the bottom and sleeve hems for extra durability. It has a handy concealed credit card pocket so you can be regged at any time, even when exterior or three feet back of your sled.
    If you are looking for the debonair arrogance of Grant Cardone, the harried harpy style that Kirstie Alley has perfected or the smug insouciance of the Duggans, you need look no further.

    Choose from one of the three illustrated graphics.
    Snot-ropes extra.

    • Miss Cabbage

      Does anyone know what happened to Enturbulation.org
      The site has been down for years now… is it coming back? I used to surf it a LOT!

  • BosonStark

    In case urine New Jersey, Dr. Hubtard’s house is at:
    666 East Ave, Bay Head, NJ.
    Just ask locals for the “Mark of the Beast’s house.”

    Because Dr. Hubtard may or may not have written part of Dianutty there, it’s hysterically significant and on Scientology historical register of places which can be used for money sucking.

    • Just Dee

      I have absolutely no desire to ever drive by Hubbard’s home. But Bay Head is a beautiful town! Not all towns in NJ are bad. It’s just like any other state. There are good and bad everywhere.

      • stillgrace2

        I know your words are true. My family is sixth generation Californian. Many years ago my brother moved to New Jersey for work and I visited him there while I was on the road. We traveled throughout the state during my stay because my brother wanted to show me his favorite spots. I was simply amazed at the beauty of New Jersey. I am a horseback rider and there are country roads to ride in New Jersey that took my breath away.

        • Just Dee

          Thanks stillgrace 🙂
          ETA: Many fond memories of mine were horseback riding in Wall Twp., NJ

      • Artoo45

        Momtoo45 is from Peapack and I have family in Chester and Gladstone. Simply beautiful country. Every state has its Elizabeth . . .

    • villagedianne

      Urine New Jersey.

      Hah.

    • Captain Howdy

      “In case urine New Jersey” ROLF!

    • Just Dee

      I actually don’t think the urine comment is funny – considering I’ve lived here my entire life. I guarantee the people who are laughing, could never afford to live in Bay Head! Will stop now -I just think that’s silly.

      • BosonStark

        Well, it’s “the garden state,” right, and now the whole state is holy, because Hubbard’s house has been restored and blessed by John Travolta and his beard. I’ve lived there myself. Couldn’t wait to escape. (Don’t tell anyone I was ever in New Jersey, please!)

        • ze moo

          There are worse places then Jersey. How about Naticoke Pennsylvania? The underground fires there are still eating away the town.

          • BosonStark

            I believe it’s Nanticoke, and yes, unfortunately, I’ve been there too.

        • Todd Tomorrow

          Twenty three years of being a beard..Sortta speaks for itself.

  • JennyAtLAX

    Re: Give Scientology $1,000 and All You’ll Get is this Lousy T-shirt

    I, JennyAtLAX, declare and state as follows:

    As we prepare to unleash “The LRH Hall” mOrgue to an unsuspecting Clearwater, Florida, I’ve been there for the last few decades, under Mr. David Miscavige’s direction—in communication with him every day, to establish that facility by siphoning every penny from every $cientologist worldwide. That mOrgue will be exquisite when opened in 2099, and working on that is one of the most exciting projects I have ever done bla bla bla bla bla.

    “The LRH Hall” mOrgue t-shirts are printed on soft, 100% cotton. Sizes S-3XL are tapered; sizes 4X-5X are a traditional fit. For sizes over 5X, we use “Whalebone,” “Baleen”, or a comparable brand depending on availability (note: Baleen varies considerably in size). Donations for this facility, unlike “Ideal mOrgues,” “Ideal Narconons” and “Ideal Water Closets,” will be acknowledged by the size of the t-shirt.

    T-shirt sizes available (width—length in inches), their corresponding status size and donation:

    Small (18 x 28), “LRH Hall Hotential,” a bazillion dollars.
    Medium (20 x 29), “LRH Hall Schledium,” a bajillion dollars.
    Large (22 x 30), “LRH Hall Bonosaursus,” a brazilian dollars.
    X-Large (24 x 31), “LRH Hall Elite Dick,” a gazillion dollars.
    2X-Large (26 x 32), “LRH Hall Key Schlong,” a jillion dollars.
    3X-Large (28 x 33), “LRH Hall Founding Wang,” a squillion dollars.
    4X-Large (30 x 34), “LRH Hall Master Bater,” a cazillion dollars.
    5X-Large (32 x 35), “LRH Hall Prick with Honors,” a scillion dollars.
    47X-Whale (925 x 1176), “LRH Hall Explodimus Rectimus Maximus,” a billion zillion dollars.

    I declare under penalty of perjury that the foregoing is true and correct.

    JennyAtLAX

    http://www.freedommag.org/sites/default/files/declaration06.pdf
    http://www.lawrencewrightgoingclear.com/sites/default/files/App11-Jenny%20Linson.pdf

  • They’ve been wanting an auditorium in Clearwater for ages. Maybe they’re pushing old plans along without remembering why they wanted it?

    Ruling by IRS leaves doubt October 16, 1993, Bob Henderson, Editor’s Note, St. Petersburg Times

    In case you missed it in the numerous Scientology stories we’ve published this week, here are two key quotes:

    David Miscavige, a top Scientology official who is based in Los Angeles but frequently comes to Clearwater for “graduation ceremonies,” said: “Our road to infinite expansion is now wide open.”

    Richard Haworth, Scientology’s Clearwater spokesman, said when talking about the organization’s operations in the downtown area that the IRS ruling “speeds it all up – we can expand everything we do.”

    And there is little doubt that they will expand here. The Scientologists continue to approach various downtown property owners. They probably are going to need additional land for parking when they build their $40-million dome and adjacent 2,500-seat auditorium.

    (Typo? Maybe they meant doom, not dome.)

    • Techie

      DM has wanted an auditorium built to his specifications to showcase his unique talents since he started doing these events. Imagine being DM and having to hang out in some dumpy “donor’s lounge” at the Ruth Eckherd Hall, miles away from your luxurious digs in the Super Power Building. Definitely below standards. He would also love to ditch all those SP Gold crew that have to follow him all over the world to set up events in tents or dirty hovels like the Shrine Auditorium. A Caribbean Cruise every year, with lots of SCUBA diving and off-road vehicle excursions, then all the rest right at home in Florida, that is the dream. We were doing designs and meeting with architects in the early 90s so I know it has been in the works at least that long.

      • Ruth Eckherd Hall can’t accommodate their special needs like blocking and locking the exits during events.

    • L. C. Spencer

      If their doom only ended up costing $40 million I’d call it a bargain.

  • nottrue

    …..

    • Lurkness

      Empathy??? So out tech. Report to MAA immediately, Krusty.

      • Anonymous

        For a commendation?

    • Anonymous

      Scientology is the religion where mocking and publicly scorning others is both taught and encouraged. It is especially important for Scientologists to do this around the Holidays. It makes them feel better about themselves, while setting the tone for the new year.

      This mocking and scorning of others is also why Scientology management had gotten along with each other so well over the past several decades. Heh.

      The mocking and public scorning is also why Scientology is growing so fast. Who wouldn’t want to be a part of such behavior…especially when odds are good that eventually you too can become a target of mockery and scorn?

    • Ruby

      yes, she is showing genuine empathy and Christmas spirit when she refers to others as “bastards”.

      • Observer

        CICS is already taken.

    • Sid

      And by ’empathy’ I think she means: block, unfriend, disconnect, spew hatred at, cut off, or renounce.

    • She’s so elephant.

      • Missionary Kid

        Skip, I’ve added that to the list of things said about Krusty. Thanks.

  • Rod Keller

    I suspect this link was caught by the spam filter the first time I posted it. The page contains additional photos of the opening of the LRH house in Bayhead, NJ.

    seccheck.wordpress.com/2014/11/15/lrh-home-bayhead/

    • MaxSpaceman

      I saw them there. They did post. You may not have F5’d to refresh.

  • Vanfan

    I have some encouraging news from my sister. After years of avoiding the topic of Scientology I brought it up and have discovered, in her words, she ‘doesn’t give a damn about the church.’ She still believes in the tech but this may be the first step to enlightenment. she also confided in me that if her family found out she would lose them. I can only imagine the terror she lives with.

    A special thank you to Tony Ortega for giving us this forum to connect with others and for educating us on all things Scientology. And to Jon Attack for giving me the courage and tools for broaching the subject.

    • Kim O’Brien

      so she actually believes in “the tech “? Seriously ?? A grown woman , out and about in the world ..still believes this crap . She believes in the tone scale . She believes in Xenu . She believes she has special abilities . Gee ..that’s encouraging .

      • flyonthewall

        you don’t know how far on the bridge she is and besides, you have to start somewhere. Give her a break, geez

        • Vanfan

          She has been in over 35 years.

          • flyonthewall

            I’m a never-in so I don’t know personally but I read a lot and I understand that is some heavy decompression. She’s a brave lady and has my respect

      • Sid

        It might be that you’re better and smarter than the Pope, Buddha, Dr. Martin Luther King Jr, Mother Teresa, and the Dalai Lama because they believe in wild spiritual stuff, but this lady is at least halfway out of the cult. And you really believe you’re better than her? To be that judgmental you would have to think that. Go figure.

        • aquaclara

          I up voted your thought anyway, since I trust it was a good one.

          • Sid

            Thanks aquaclara. It was just something that hit a nerve with me a bit and I wrote a more heated response than normal.

      • Lady Squash

        Sadly and I hate to say this, but some of the Tech is useful. Vanfan’s sister may not even Know about Xenu. Xenu is a secret. I was in 30 some years and didn’t know about Xenu. I’m not kidding.

        • What part of the Capital T “tech” did you like?

          • Lady Squash

            Hubbard wrote an article called “You Can Be Right”. The point of the article was that if you make an effort to see the rightness in someone else’s behavior or argument, then that person will be less defensive and more open to seeing the rightness in your behavior or argument. I have found that very useful. I use it all the time with my roommate and he’s mellowed out a lot over time. The irony is that the book that contained that article is no longer in print. And I know of few Scientologists who know about it.
            Also as part of the Auditor’s Code, the auditor is not supposed to be judgmental or to evaluate their subject’s answers. I have found this to be useful with people in general. But again and very ironically, Hubbard and most Scientologists are very judgmental and evaluate all the time.

            • Interesting, thanks.

            • Lady Squash

              Nat-lificent, you are welcome. That’s the rub. Some of the stuff he said was useful. Believe me, I’m no fan. I just believe in giving the devil his due. But mostly he was the devil.

            • I wasn’t there, so what do I know.

    • flyonthewall

      congrats Van, that’s great news

    • richelieu jr

      Beautiful, Van! Just wonderful!

    • aquaclara

      Vanfan, you get the Courage award around here, for speaking up, and taking that moment to speak with your sister.

      35 years in, and she listened to you, her brother. This is the power of love and of families, where, no matter what has gone on, you still have that ability to connect. I am jumping for joy here, and honestly, if you were right here, you’d be smothered with both cookies and hugs.

      What a great start. Now we just have to figure out the next part, working around the very real fear of disconnection. Damnable cult.

    • Vanfan

      Thank You everybody for your support.

  • Panopea Abrupta

    Red-X Red-X Red-X

    Some SF and other California ads were posted yesterday
    – are they really trying to sneak them under the radar?

    The fringes of the interwebz never sleep, you dweebs.

    Send ’em packing here:
    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-Kvg78kCcvo5gL7UfPcmhmbsagTNtdj0y2LAiHVFrCU/pubhtml#

    We are many, you’re now few.
    We are watching over you .

  • Mark Cabian

    Since they already have at minimum $3.5 Million USD, they can start construction of the hall next week. Good thing it won’t take years or even decades like the Super Power building. Of course I’m kidding.

  • Been searching Tory’s channel for that vid where she describes how her friend was regged out of a million bucks for a “free” dinner and a basket of t-shirts. Anyone remember the one I’m talking about? I can’t find it.

  • Why does he stay? F5

  • Observer

    OT question: which Scientology buildings are located on LRH Way?

    • flyonthewall

      Big Blue, LA Org, Delphi or Apple school, thats all I got. Is this a quiz? Did I win?

    • Sid

      AOLA, ASHO, and part of the big blue. There are some other buildings but I don’t know them all. LA Org is on that street but the entrance kind of faces the parking lot to the side.

      • Observer

        Thanks! Artistic license will be taken, but I wanted to have some semblance of reality.

        • Sid

          From what I remember. (F5)

          • Sid

            Look! I think I see Angry Gay Pope standing in front of ASHO.

            • beauty for ashes

              don’t they have a “protective order ” from him? they said he was stalking that one staff member!

            • Todd Tomorrow

              No, it’s over.

    • Sid

      You could ask Tory, she would know. There is a building across the street from ASHO that I think might be OSA but I’m not sure. It’s been a while since I’ve been there.

      • flyonthewall

        I thought OSA was in the HGB?

        • Sid

          Yeah, that may be.

      • JennyAtLAX

        OSA US (the Office of Special Affairs United States; Treasury department) used to be at the southwest corner of Fountain Ave. and Catalina St. They were located on the second floor of a building that used to be the home of Survival Insurance, just a few doors east of Peter Gillham’s Nuttitional Center.

        • Sid

          Thanks.

    • JennyAtLAX

      Re: Which $cientology Buildings are Located on L. Ron Hubbard Way?

      I, JennyAtLAX, declare and state as follows:

      Other $cientology buildings and their appropriate acronyms available on, along, or near L. Ron Hubbard Way (the buildings also known as “The Big Blue” or “The Complex”): Los Angeles Org (formerly LA Org Day/Foundation); ASHO (formerly American St. Hill Organization Day/Foundation); AOLA (Advanced Organization Los Angeles). Also: the Canteen (or Cafe), which is a part of the Main building, the branch of the old “Cedars of Lebanon Hospital” complex, the first of that complex, built in the late 1920’s/early 1930’s (the building that forms a “V” and faces Fountain Avenue). L. Ron Hubbard Way also offers, or has offered, access to CLO (Continental Liaison Org); IAS (International Association of Scientologists), etc., etc. Where L. Ron Hubbard Way meets Fountain Ave., on the south side of Fountain, is a parking garage where members of the RPF (Rehabilitative Project Force) may have slept and/or scrubbed dumpsters with tooth brushes.

      I declare under penalty of perjury that the foregoing is true and correct.

      JennyAtLAX

      • ScientologyDoesNotExist

        What about FOLO? Tours Org? Mary’s School?

  • Captain Howdy

    OT but I just had the greatest fun trolling a group of a certain religious persuasion who were foaming at the mouth because some prankster replaced the baby jesus with a pig’s head in their nativity scene.

    People who worship in glass house filled with skeletons shouldn’t throw stones. That was one of the best lunches I’ve had in awhile.

    • Sid

      Did you have bacon for lunch?

      • Captain Howdy

        No, just some morphine and ativan. : )

        • Sid

          So the rest of the pig went to waste.

    • flyonthewall

      what about those who worship in a stone church filled with skeletons? – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sedlec_Ossuary I say they’re ok to throw stones

      • Captain Howdy

        I adore that place. If it was for sale I’d buy it and move right in.

        • flyonthewall

          Have you been? It’s kinda cheesy really IMO, very touristy

          • Captain Howdy

            Unfortunately I haven’t been and I’m saddened to hear that. It seemed such a magical place in all the photos I could find. I use to have dreams about it.

            • flyonthewall

              Lol, I’m sorry, just call me Capt Bringdown. That’s just my opinion. Touristy doesn’t automatically equal bad, that is A=A thinking 🙂 I’m sure it was more magical back in the day before they set up tour buses for jerks like me to go there and snap some pics then leave. They also literally turned Kafka’s house into a postcard shop. That was very sad

        • FromPolandWithLove
    • stillgrace2

      I am glad you are having a good time, Captain! No, really.

    • Baby Jesus, the other white meat.

  • Well, obviously $cientology works because Lil Davey Miscabbage has achieved his dream job of becoming a real estate developer of worthless buildings, as well as his second dream of Most Successful Seller of Useless Awards on Earth. But DO NOT buy that T-shirt – I have it on good authority they are woven from discarded body thetans and meant to infect the cheapskates in the cult who only cough up $1,000. Also, take note, the LRH “home” (where he probably skipped out owing rent) is at 666 East Ave, Bay Head, NJ. 666 – number of the beast in Revelations. I’m sure he absolutely loved that, just like the $666,000 he would have received if his piece of trash OT3 story “Revolt in the Stars” movie had been made.

    • Sid

      Well, you could buy the t-shirt for $1,000 or sec-checks for $16,000. Your choice always. That is why you can be self-determined in Scientology.

      • I’m shocked they don’t have a $666 special. Heck, Travolta would buy 100s of those and pass them out. He spends more than that on his toupees.

        • Todd Tomorrow

          Massages,settlements and hopefully condoms but he seems the kind that wouldn’t care if he got,Hiv. And I’m sure he avoids any sexual contact with,Preston!

          • Oh, I think he’d care because he’s such an admitted sex addict. He’s bisexual from what I could tell. I believe he had a thing with Joan Prather when they did “Devil’s Rain” together and she promptly dumped him once he got on course, but I’d have to get Joan to admit that and she might not. I imagine he’s pretty almost wholly homosexual for a long time, though. As for Kelly, I believe Mark Ebner reported once seeing Kelly making out with a guy on an airplane. Kelly’s probably a hot little mink, giving her boyfriend record and other things I’ve heard, and they were both openly supportive of Clinton after his blowjobs in the Oval Office, so who knows – maybe they’re swingers like those other $cientologist, Will and Jada.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              Thx Skip,
              Just had lunch and I’m going to have to get some Pepto. After hearing of his exploits in the bathhouse from at least a couple sources one could assume it is a career avocation. He stays up for instance and she sleeps..Whatever he does or doesn’t do still puts his family at risk. Condoms break and several types of the clap( or is that Specific) are on the rise. But, moreover,he’d save lives by coming out and I think the few fans would forgive him. That would change if he gave Kelly HIV, which happens more than this conservative, gay fearing coutry wants to think is also on the rise. Suicide among gay teens is up and any gay role model would be admirable.
              The Homophobic Space cult would be a great place to start. As Tony once said he is still a big enough star to have the media at his house in minutes coming out against the abuses of BM’ s congregation.

            • It’s not going to happen because of Rupert Everett who swears coming out cost him roles. http://www.ivillage.com/gay-celebrities-who-have-come-out/1-b-406420#406445 As for this being a conservative gay-fearing country, there’s more b.s. in that statement than at the biggest stockyard in the country. Most conservatives I know (and I know tons of them) really don’t give a damn. But guess where they do? In Hollywood, even though so many of them act like they don’t. Biggest hypocrites on Earth, as Amy Pascal and Scott Rudin’s emails in the Sony debacle recently proved.

    • JennyAtLAX

      “Cheapskates” have “hotential”!

      • Todd Tomorrow

        Hi Jen!
        Scrubbed out any interesting bowel movements from INT’s cess pool lately? What a great holiday vacation you must be having in Sothern California. How are your crimes list going? So glad you got that vibrator jump started.
        Arc, Todd

    • Bob

      Skip you missed Davy’s biggest dream and Acheivement. Having the most nicknames or titles in the universe. Missionary Kid said there are close to 1400. God does not have that many.
      To add another, David Mendacitavige.

      • Michael Leonard Tilse

        Malignotov Davidovitch.

        • Missionary Kid

          Added.

          • L. C. Spencer

            You’ve already got Dom Miscavige, right? from the hilarious softcore reply above…

            • Missionary Kid

              I do now, thanks for calling it to my attention. I’m up to 1408 nicknames.

            • Bob

              Yay MK! Highest, highest, highest ever!

            • Jimmy3

              1408, how appropriate. Like the Stephen King story.

        • Bob

          Lol, the Russians are used to the KGB. Must me Davey secret police name.

      • Missionary Kid

        You obviously haven’t read the Arthur C. Clarke story, The Nine Billion Names of God.

        http://www.sffaudio.com/podcasts/TheNineBillionNamesOfGodByArthurC.Clarke.pdf

        • Bob

          I have not. Missed that one.

          • Missionary Kid

            It’s only 8 pages long, and you can read it at the url I supplied. Enjoy.

    • ze moo

      The clampires real estate choices in the last 10 years have been atrocious. The Boston location has been in temporary digs since 09? Those temp quarters were not the first choice, the first choice got a security deposit then the clams escaped to elsewhere and got sued for breach of contract. The huge rehab bill for the Hotel Alexandra finally got some ones attention and they are trying to sell it. I have no idea if they can make money on that thing. ‘Fixer uppers’ don’t cost 15-20 mill to fix up.

      The Philadelphia location seems on paper to be a totally bad investment too. It is an old building, in a location that sees little foot traffic. I have no idea what it would cost to fix up.

      The Toronto location on Yonge Street may be the best location I have ever seen the clams buy. But not for an Idle mOrg. While foot traffic and mass transit are nearby, the land under the boarded up building is probably worth more to another developer. There are major banks and financial institutions at the bottom of the street, and hotels and restaurants and nudie bars up the street. Yonge Street is the 5th Ave, Wall Street and Hollywood Blvd of Toronto. I can $camatology turning a nice profit on this property.

      With every other clam being regged for their ‘Idle mOrg’, the clampires real estate portfolio is doing nicely. But only because the locals are paying for all it, and then ‘giving’ the title to International Landlord and paying rent on it.

      The cost of the buildings and their rehab don’t matter to the clampire. For them, it is all free and just gravy in any potential sale.

      I wonder how much the architects are kicking back to Davy? I don’t see any other avenue for fraud or kickbacks.

  • outraged

    Did someone post this yet? Carmen Liywelyn speaks out against the Kult:

    http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2014/12/carmen-llywelyn-jenna-elfman-scientology/

  • nottrue

    …..

    • Observer

      The Way to Happiness cuff links?

      • Sid

        It’s a lapel pin. I may have one around here somewhere.

    • But then it would be in your house.

  • Still_On_Your_Side

    It’s interesting that the fundraising “awards” no longer includes the award of “nobility” for a $10 million “donation.” Perhaps someone alerted COB that we fought a revolution against “nobility” and the Constitution has this interesting provision.

    “No title of nobility shall be granted by the United States: and no person holding any office of profit or trust under them, shall, without the consent of the Congress, accept of any present, emolument, office, or title, of any kind whatever, from any king, prince, or foreign state.”

    The above prohibition probably does not apply to “King Miscavige’s” awarding titles of nobility for large donations, but, come on, what kind of church does this?! (I know the answer, it was a rhetorical question.)

    • Sid

      Well at least there’s still one designation of Pope allowed. Score one for DM.

  • nottrue

    From Mike Rinder blog…

    • Donna Cline Sargent

      50 shades of Scientology

    • romanesco

      Haha! Obviously, individuals have been relegated to the sub role in D/s culture. Now that Dom Miscavige is no longer a viable rival.

    • 1subgenius

      They are officially a laughing stock.

  • Frank Lee

    Just found this filing by LRH’s second wife outlining some of her abuse at his hands:

    http://www.solitarytrees.net/cowen/LRH-bio/sara.htm

    • When I read this — “That at said time and place, said Hubbard systematically prevented plaintiff from sleeping continuously for a period
      of over four days” — I thought of Chris Many at CCLA making me stay up for three days while I filed things working through my “Liability” formula. He thoroughly enjoyed what he was doing, and I well remember the evil glint in his eye and the wicked smile on his face. Once again, this reaffirms my contention that people in “power” in $cientology were and are possessed by the evil spirit of Elwrong.

      • Frank Lee

        I experienced the same thing Skip, at the hands of my ex-spouse who was raised in Scientology.

        • Thanks for sharing that, Frank. It’s not noted enough, and the damned fools who revert to the “Well, it’s Miscavige, not Ron” are still hypnotized because they don’t get it. Hubbard TRAINED his Messengers to “perfectly duplicate” his personality when going around the Apollo and elsewhere delivering his messages. If Hubbard wanted to scream at someone, he screamed at the Messenger, who stood there unflinching, turned in her hot pants, and marched off and screamed just like “the Commodore” at the recipient of the message. Elwrong trained Lil Davey to do this. I know the person who signed The Little Dicktator to a Sea Org contract. She described him as a happy, goofy little kid. How does someone go from that to a bully who should be in prison? Conditioning, hypnotic conditioning courtesy of Hubbard. Lafayette Ronald Hubbard was RAW EVIL, and some people got infected and never recovered.

          • Frank Lee

            Agreed on the LRH being the “source” of pure evil. Unfortunately too many are ignorant to what the whole of Co$ is about, and believe as I did, that it’s “just another religion”. By the time many realize just what it is, the evil has crept into their lives leaving behind absolute destruction just by association even if they never were part of it.

            • Not to get all John P. here, but it is a well-known phenomena that in any business founded by an individual, the company has what you might call the “impress” or way of doing things that reflects the personality and values of said individual. It works either way, for good or for evil.

    • 3feetback-of-COS

      Nice find.

  • BosonStark

    This L. Ron Hubbard Hall theta giveaway is not only about T-shirts. This is just one of the “personalized gifts” to go to donors at the $500,000+ level: a genuine replica of the famous Super Man underwear LRH snatched off the super hero years ago, aboard the Apollo, as he flew by to salute the Commodore.
    http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b582/Kkkkzzzz/hubu_zpsede2adc9.jpg

    • Sid

      They are coming out with a RON colored underwear series with a little monogram of LRH on the front. You can wear your green on white when working away on post, but when in auditing be sure to wear your red on white. If in big trouble there are always goldenrod undies with the brown streak in the back.

  • richelieu jr

    I cannot possibly be the only one who read that as ‘… raising money for the L Ron Hubbard Hell’….

  • cdub

    A Scientology religious belief:

    Ages ago, countless alien souls were dumped into volcanoes, and forever since they’ve bedeviled us.

    • Captain Howdy

      Get Out!

      • cdub

        really it’s true, ask any scientologist

  • My posts are going in to Moderator Hell today so I’ll try again, this time with a video. My previous rant was about the shoddy ethics and filthy criminality of Scientology taking money from suckers in the guise of doing good works, improving their customers, and some how being “humanitarians,” all while real heroes are out in the streets, boots on the ground, getting paid literally $1 a year for their rescue work, saving people’s lives.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kD4ElEfKq74

    • ze moo

      Real people who help at accidents (police, firemen, emts, etc) don’t need silly t-shits. They already have several, and they were issued them by their organization. Though they like the occaisional ‘atta-boy’ from the public.

    • Now there’s a road that could use some reflector posts, at the very least.

  • Jimmy3

    The $50,000 package is the same as the $25,000 package. They couldn’t have thrown in another T-shirt?

    • Captain Howdy

      Or better yet
      ….

      • Jimmy3

        Happy Boxing Day, Cap

        • Captain Howdy

          Leave it to English to have holiday called Boxing Day that has nothing to do with boxing.. It could have been something really cool like a boxing match between a commoner and the King and if the commoner won he would become King.

          • Jimmy3

            I would pay many pounds to see that. If I had any pounds, I mean.

          • FromPolandWithLove

            Imagine The Queen in jorts and boxing gloves ;p

            • Captain Howdy

              She’s a tough old bird, I’ll give her that. In her case she would chose a proxy like..Prince Charles..HAH!. Maybe Harry or Andrew instead.

            • Jimmy3

              If it were a royal family tournament, my pounds are on Camilla sweeping it in a rout.

            • Captain Howdy

              Sorry, it’s Marquis of Queensberry rules. No biting allowed.

            • Jimmy3

              Down goes Camilla!

            • CherryPitz

              Float like a monarch butterfly, sting like a queen bee.

            • FromPolandWithLove

              Good one 🙂

          • 1subgenius

            Oh, thanks for that. My family has been engaging in a December 26 brawl all these years.
            Ooops.

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        I thought of you today, Captain.
        The other “nuts” and I went to Walmart to look for a replacements for that old “sale” fake tree.
        There was nobody in Walmart.
        Mr. Nuts decided that Zombie Acapolypse did take place and no one told us.

        But apparently we were wrong. We just slept late.
        After four stores…….That hideous, rusty, faded, 30 year old fake tree gets one more Xmas….because Bury ran out of energy and succumbed…
        Sighs…….

        Flippin Zombies!

        • Captain Howdy

          Uh, I don’t know how to tell you this. but..but..Christmas was yesterday. It’s all done, FINITO!

          • Bury_The_Nuts

            Duh! I told you…Mr. Nuts is Flippin Cheap.
            He was hoping to find a new $30 fake tree (on the day after xmas) that would last till we both die.

            • Jimmy3

              Just wait til January and grab a real tree from someone’s curb. Bam, free tree. That’s what I do. Sometimes you even get a free ornament with it.

            • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

              I went to Costco and Sam’s. Only the latter one had some good sales on xmas chocolate. didn’t see any tress either. I gave up on trees long ago except for a very small one and got into more lights.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              If you have been to Costco…I know U have goodies.
              Time to visit!!!!

              😉

            • Sandy

              I don’t get either of those places! Costco charges about $70 Unless you have a family of 47. Why?

    • Sid

      “couldn’t have thrown in another,,,,”

      Haaa. Good one. This is the organization where you pay when they make a mistake. Screwed up your auditing? No problem. Pay for some repair.

    • HillieOnTheBeach

      I’m right now reading Jenna Miscavige-Hill’s Beyond Belief. She mentions how they can really get into the pomp and circumstance of the ceremonies (I’m on page 180, don’t spoil it for me!). I’m assuming that even if there’s no difference with the 25K and the 50K package, there’s just an implicit agreement that the difference will be noted in some trivial and puerile manner such as who gets called first onstage.

      • Jimmy3

        Well, for $25k, you’re an LRH Hall Member. At 50, you’re an LRH Hall Elite Member. It’s a much classier scam.

      • Sid

        Yes, and the punishment for paying the extra and going to $50,000 is that you have to sit one row closer to the stage at events.

        • HillieOnTheBeach

          Worse that that. At the rate they’re going, LRH Hall Member, LRH Hall Elite Member, LRH Hall Key Member, LRH Hall Founding Member, LRH Hall Master Member, LRH Hall Member with Honor all share the same row!

          • Sid

            Good point. By the time they finish the hall (if ever) they will only have 47 members left and that is probably how long one row is.

          • JennyAtLAX

            At the rate they’re going, all those “members” will be sharing the same seat (let alone the same pair of pants). That’s what I’d call a “cluster”!

  • Pierrot
    • Panopea Abrupta

      Credit goes to our inimitable Buttercup Baby for the grafix, Pierrot.
      Thanx anyways.
      Chin Chin, mon ami.

      • Pierrot

        Aegerprimo credited it to you.
        I hope that you had a wonderful Christmas with your family.
        Salut, amiga.

    • Snake Plissken

      — “The whole marketing scheme was brilliant. He continually refreshed people’s orientation toward God-like powers, keeping them focused on that, to avoid dealing with minor details… such as the tech didn’t work.”

      There’s that pesky little detail of the tech not working again.

      You can’t allow yourself to get bogged down with small stuff, like reality, when you have more important things to be focused in on, like fighting an imaginary war, in your fake navy costumes, against imaginary enemies

      • Tracy Schmitz

        or get bogged down by the fact that the creator of this “religion’ was a KNOWN con artist liar college drop out who made all this up and who all the bells and whistles of his dianetics didn’t work on even him as he died a drugged up, paranoid on the run wreck of a man! (and NONE of the scientologists famous or not KNOW THIS? or know this but don’t believe it!)

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          They probably don’t believe it…It is just “entheta”.

          Poor stupid sheep.

          And the fact that Tom Cruise once called all the rest of us “sheeple” is priceless!

        • Missionary Kid

          Yes, he was a known con artist, etc., but only to a relatively few people.

          Hubturd had a marvelous publicity machine that kept putting his version of his story out there. It’s only with the rise of the internet that the negative publicity has overwhelmed that machine. I should say that the Time magazine article was the first widely publicized media article telling the truth, at least in the U.S.

    • Pierrot

      Buttercup by Baby, thanks Baby.

  • MaxSpaceman

    La Quintas # 2 [excerpts for those who don’t read the nearly 100 page file]. Late 1970s. Clamwater established and growing. Int base established and growing. Ron disoriented in hiding. A criminally-convicted Felon in France. Wanted by Interpol throughout Europe. Fear of being brought to justice to face criminal charges in the U.S. of A., afraid of the FBI, the Police. From: CMO Messenger ‘Cowboy’ in the retelling.

    — “… I remember first seeing his skin cancer on his face, and really wondering how someone who could control the physical and non-physical universe could have skin cancer…”

    — “Cowboy: I handed it over. Ron: “What the hell are you doing with this? Haven’t you had the Drug Rundown.” Cowboy: “It’s a Vicks Vaporub, sir,” I explained. “It’s just menthol. I had a little congestion from allergies so I used it.” Ron: “Noooooooh,” he moaned. Then he shouted. “NO. NO. NO. That’s a drug! What are you doing coming on watch on drugs! I can’t believe you brought that here!”

    — “I spent thousands of hours with him, most of them alone. I saw him strong and scathing, and as frail as a cat, needing help getting out of bed and going to the
    restroom. I saw him so weak he couldn’t speak above a whisper, forced to use a bed pan, unable to remember every day details about conversations or things he had written only weeks earlier. I saw the myth people imagined, contrasted with the reality of the aging, largely demented man I saw almost daily.”

    — [ at the same time]. “He knew how to use the legal system. Unfortunately, whoever has the most money and attorneys wins, and used that to great effect against the enemies of the church. I saw him use that, a winning strategy, many times, and, to give him credit, he called a spade a spade and explained that was exactly what he was doing.”

    — “Money was power. He played the game. Buying off people was part of the game. His goal was to win. So he used the resources he had.”

    — “The whole marketing scheme was brilliant. He continually refreshed people’s orientation toward God-like powers, keeping them focused on that, to avoid dealing with minor details… such as the tech didn’t work.”

    — “The [Commodore’s Messenger Organization] CMO was brilliant. Why do armed services start people at a young age? The same reasons he started his messengers young, they were impressionable. He could mold them into what he wanted them to be.”

    — “Messengers, and I hate to say this, cause I was one, were like dogs at his feet, luxuriating in his slightest word of praise. And so, we too, closest to him, fell into
    his grand scheme.”

    — “He was physically ill from many issues, as well as memory issues. He leaned on others to find tech answers, using the principals of Scientology, and save him. The only trouble was the underlying foundation of tech didn’t work. There were no clears. There were no OTs. He’d blame others wherever possible. Even when it came to his case. Everyone that has ever audited or CS’ed him is out. So they were easy targets.”

    — “The old man believed that auditing could help, himself and others. He continued to try to elevate himself, and others, spiritually, through the auditing. But the elusive end product couldn’t be achieved, not with himself or others. People say he was out to screw people and knew the tech didn’t work. That’s false. He hoped it would. But he was unwilling to face the fact that it didn’t and that his marketing was only that. Marketing. Sucking people in for naught.”

    — “I saw children with adult like determination, who gladly donated their childhood. And I saw other children crying, shells of what a child should be, craving attention from their parents who couldn’t be with them because they were busy trying to save the world.”

    — “I saw the aged die, for lack of medical care. The elite of Scientology with teeth rotting in their mouths for lack of money to receive dental care. I saw people gap
    toothed but smiling, proud of yanking their own teeth.”

    — “I saw modern slavery.” – http://www.mediafire.com/view/5itq92e61lec8i3/cowboy_threads.pdf

    • Verve

      I feel like vomiting.

      • richelieu jr

        Good. That means you are a human with relatively functioning heart and brain, ie, NOT a Scilon.

    • Shelly Britt Corrias

      I am not on exscn and had never seen any of those Cowboy posts before. Thanks for posting that – and compiling all that? I went through the whole pdf. Have these been posted or discussed at the Bunker before?

      • MaxSpaceman

        The Cowboy thread has been posted before, yes, SBC. Originally about a year ago, iirc. The thread on the board was linked to.

        Then, recently, a Bunkaroo posted the PDF file, by the amazing “Cowboy Transcriber” – who went through hundreds of web pages and clipped out all the questions and Cowboy answers, putting it all into the one document.

        Thank you “Cowboy Transcriber,” wherever/whomever you are !

        • richelieu jr

          Anyone got a link to that doc, or is it the one above?

          • MaxSpaceman

            The original link is all the threads on tons of posts on ESMB or WWP, whichever one I don’t recall at this moment. They were *very* hard to get through, reading online, for lots of people. So, Cowboy Transcriber went through hundreds of posts over hundreds of pages, and transcribed questions and Cowboy’s answers. The PDF file has everything, I believe, that Cowboy wrote about time with Hubbard in HubbardWorld.

    • Michael Leonard Tilse

      Thanks for this. I had not read it in whole. Parts of it maybe, earlier.

      It will not satisfy the polarized. Because it is a balanced view. It does not completely damn Hubbard. But is far, far from praise. It won’t satisfy or affirm most pre-conceived notions of Hubbard. But does illuminate in very significant ways what the real Hubbard was like, at least from this one person’s view.

      When I was in the S.O. back in 1977-78 (the first time, about 1.5 years) I was working on project 23 at what became the Big Blue complex in Hollywood. At one point I heard that I had been considered for going “over the rainbow” to where Hubbard was, to work in cine stuff.

      I was lucky that Bob Veach, the tech guy for MOPM (the ‘mission’ that was dealing with renovations and creating consolidation of Los Angeles organizations) decided I was not suitable to go work near Hubbard.

      And looking back, and factoring in ‘Cowboy’s’ narrative of what was going on, I realize that I might have rapidly seen how far from the PR the real situation was with Ron and would have been so outraged by it that I would have tried to confront Hubbard. Or at least left Scientology forever then and there. Or been ‘handled’ into insanity or a grave, as I am sure some were.

      Gives me a bit of a chill to think how close I came…

      • Missionary Kid

        I’ll repeat what an elderly neighbor said about LRH when he heard him speak when they both were ensconced in Phoenix. He said that he was the most evil person he’d ever seen in his life, after hearing him speak and watching the way in which he manipulated people afterwards

        You were lucky..

  • I wonder how that Happy New Year is working for them now?

    http://torontoideal.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/image001-104.jpg

    • Pierrot

      At least they did not bankrupt themselves and they should get 1 T shirt each!

      • Maybe that was literally all they had left?

        • Pierrot

          They look well fed! XXL T shirt for them.

        • Just Dee

          We are now being accused of being the same people, talking to ourselves, on TMZ lol

          • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

            Link? Thanks

            • Just Dee

              It’s the comment section on Casey Kasem story, Dee. Really horrible headline and a person named PeggyThatsMe REALLY going overboard. Seems invested, imo.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              LOL……….I just went over and read some of that. Peggy thinks EVERYONE is Jean.
              Poor Sow!

            • Jimmy3

              Is that you, Jean?

            • Just Dee

              You always make me crackup Jimmy!

            • Just Dee

              Yeah, there is something strange about that one.

            • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

              I went back there and jumped in. Just what I needed to liven up my evening. Awright!

            • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

              OMG, what she has done to that thread. I like your fortitude Dee. I wonder what’s in it for her, like man, something smells.

            • Just Dee

              http://www.tmz.com/2014/12/25/casey-kasem-grave-norway-buried/#disqus_thread for some reason, I couldn’t link. Hope this works

          • Jimmy3

            Not that I know for sure, but that could very well be Kerri herself, or at least a close friend/family member. Once media_lush got into an argument with some clown defending Kerri on one of these tabloid sites, and they were logged into Disqus through Facebook. It was her boyfriend.

            I’ll bet they read every article that mentions the name “Casem”

            • Just Dee

              Yep – She is getting too personally invested & knows crap plus she has tried to get people to go to Kerri’s FB page on another thread.
              ETA: The person is nuts

            • Just Dee

              I’ll try to remember that spelling Jimmy 🙂

            • Jimmy3

              Oops. Didn’t even notice that, thanks.

            • Just Dee

              lol I thought I spelled it wrong. I am giving my brain a day off today.

            • If I was going to speculate, I’d look at her (non-Scientologist) PR guy Danny Deraney‎ first. These days, PR involves a lot of online reputation management.

            • Jimmy3

              Flinging poo at Jean on internet comment boards doesn’t help Kerri’s reputation at all. If it is her PR guy, he’s pretty damn awful at his job. But I think both sides look terrible in this. They’re both making a public mockery of his death, while claiming they love him more than the other. If they truly loved him, they’d fight their battle privately and let him rest in peace.

            • Observer

              As a Scientologist, Kerri’s all about the noisy investigations. That’s what Ron said to do. You may or may not have noticed that we’ve barely heard a peep from her non-Scilon siblings.

            • Jimmy3

              That’s true, but Jean is also shady. Burying him in Norway, in what looks like an unmarked grave? Maybe the snow is covering up a memorial stone, but it snows a lot in Norway.

            • Observer

              I think Jean is more nutty than shady. That’s one family I’m glad I’m not part of.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              I don’t think Jean has the cognitive abilities to be shady.
              I also don’t think she is a total ditz…(she just played one on TV).

              However, she has serious issues.

              Kerri is just a disguised Sciloon.

              So really, which is worse?

              I am having trouble with this one, myself!!!

            • Jimmy3

              I wasn’t aware you needed cognitive abilities to be shady. Some of the dumbest people I know are also the shadiest people I know. But perhaps I need to word clear it.

            • Robert Eckert

              Not every story has a character you can root for.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              So true!

          • Oh noes!!1! We’re being called sock accounts by a pop-up poster with 101 total posts!

    • HillieOnTheBeach

      Why did “I” donate and there’s two of them?

      • Because if you’re in $cientology, you can’t think and you’re nuts.

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        One of them is just a BT.

    • Jimmy3

      “Don’t hold your breath” applies both literally and figuratively here.

    • Sid

      Damn it! Another $2 and they might have a chance in getting it done next month. It’s all about postulates. They just didn’t put enough theta into that 2013 postulate.

    • and this year they’ll be told to donate 2015….and every year, the year amount to infinity!!

  • Maybe off-topic but I’m wondering about New Year’s. Why hasn’t $cientology found Tom Cruise a new wife?

    • ze moo

      There are some things even a clam won’t do.

      • The deal-breaker (Nazanin Boniadi) seems to be that they have to be able to understand everything the half-pint pope mumbles.

        • ze moo

          Can’t they just issue them hearing aides? Or teach them lip reading?

          • Bury_The_Nuts

            Who can lip read stupid?

            • Observer

              I think it’s safe to assume that anything out of his mouth is at least 60% obscenities.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Oh! Good Point, Obs….
              And I can even lip read that stuff!

          • So sad. No more squicky squick for Lil Tommy. Oh wait, there’s still Lil Davey…

    • outraged

      he doesn’t want one unless it is the Right One.

    • Sid

      Because he has his medal of honor now. Why would he need a wife. He gets plenty of admiration looking at the reflection in his medal.

    • HillieOnTheBeach

      Tom will soon be left to choose from the body-routing cuties.

    • TheMirrorThetan

      Maybe they should set him up with Jenny from LA Airport.
      She is a rabid scieno so she isn’t going to leave him because of that.
      He likes dark haired women, and they can go crazy jumping on couches together,
      besides if Jenny already has a hubby Dave knows how to make unwanted spouses disappear forever 🙂
      I’m sure she would do it if the tiny fuhrer ordered it.

    • outraged

      That is so sad. I know this boy is obnoxious, but nonetheless he did not choose his parents anymore than we chose our own.

      Jaden and Willow have been raised in a vicious cult whatever their parents feel about it now. NOTHING can take away the damage done to them by $cientology AND this laissez faire attitude by Jada and Will (who I just realized reversed their names with the kids).

      A family of narcissists is very depressing.

      • that is very sad….whereas it’s easy to mock those kids, they ARE kids and it’s how they’ve been raised and what they’ve been raised around is ALL THEY KNOW……

  • Robert Eckert

    Strangely I found myself thinking about Brandi (“26”, the other “MK”) and wondering if she learned anything from her experience.

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      GAH…I was wondering if ANYONE would go there.
      And, my guess is “NO”.

      • Robert Eckert

        I’m glad I’m not the only one who had the thought, even if I was the only one to feel compelled to speak about it.

    • Jimmy3

      I just wonder how the twins are doing. Hope everything is okay.

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        snorts!

      • Vaquera

        I hope they now live in a one story home.

        • Jimmy3

          That took me a second, but when I got it, I nearly fell out of my chair.

        • if what i mention above is them, they still trip down stairs and they still take cabs…..

      • Couch_Incident

        I have a hunch that only her targets have changed and would like to dedicate the following song to her:
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ksa4VjKE3RY

      • Jo

        I hear a tiny violin in the distance. .

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          and I brought CHEEZE

          • Jo

            Baby Cheesus? I love cheeze.

    • i believe they might have learned some better skills and had another ‘delivery’ this year on another site but this one was just a premie…..i am not 100% it was her, but to many things matched and when i started to follow their disqus account they switched to private…..then they stopped mentioning their infant as much….i never said a word to ’em……

    • stillgrace2

      I hope she learned how to count.

      • no, i don’t think so….if it’s who was on another site, nope….had a premie, months off, story off….whole thing off….i didn’t say anything here due to the rule…..and honestly, what could anyone do? they didn’t ask for anything and when people suggested sending them things, she refused…..

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          Just like the last one…………..mKay…..

          • yep….by herself, no family around, fell down steps triggered pre-mature labor and had to CALL A CAB (i read that my jaw dropped), neighbor watching the dog, but the baby was OKAY this time….and bizarrely, though they allegedly were discharged after 4-5 days after the ER c-section (okay that’s plausible) they stayed at home sleeping and resting and on the internet and only went to the hospital to see their premie baby for a couple hours in the afternoon….now i’ve never had chirruns, but uh, you’d have to PRY ME from the incubator….i could understand perhaps going home to sleep but staying home hours awake during the day online??? and only going to see your new born premie a few hours? o_O and they weren’t telling their family until after the ‘original’ due date…..someone asked ‘aren’t they checking on you’ and there was a weird answer how they lived away from their family and hardly saw them—but never mentioned that device called the telephone or you know, emails….just evasively vague when it came to that…..

            then about 3-4 months ago someone asked them how their baby was doing—who had allegedly been in the premie ward a month before release….and they said for a 5 month old he was doing great—-yet math wise, he should have been 8+ months old…no one caught that, or if they did they didn’t question it….

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              OMG? This is the
              “other one”?

            • yep on another site i frequent….they don’t comment that frequently anymore because where i never ever replied to them, as i said, when i hit ‘follow’ on their open disqus, boom, they went to private….i also then made sure i replied to posts above and below theirs so they’d KNOW i was around—gosh i’m horrible! 😀 why can’t i let liars lie? cuz playing with people’s emotions is wrong-o-roni……

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Cuz fuckin’ the fuckers” is totally fun

            • of course there’s that too….i mean, you mess with the people here then you go do it again?!? though you change the outcome and some parts of the story, uh, no way chick, you have no sense of empathy or remorse and who knows how many other sites they’re pulling that on…..oh their user name is monkey/chimp related too!!

            • Jo

              You just said a bad word 🙂

            • re: your edit….yep….and i had never really had a conversation with them either….but i AM observant…and i have an excellent memory….i didn’t even downvote their posts on the other site—disqus sucks anyway….but they know i’m there…. 🙂

            • Vaquera

              All the while taking care of her Scio sister’s daughter.

            • this time there was no younger child to take care! just a dog a neighbor was watching for her!! i guess she didn’t need a sister or sister’s daughter for this site or ‘story’…..

            • Vaquera

              Oh, I missed the sequel.

            • it wasn’t here!!

            • aquaclara

              You’re smart, sweet and sassy all at the same time. Thank you for sharing this (and I have to admit, we would have trolled that site quite happily… )

            • aw, thanks aquaclara! as i said somewhere around here in this thread, i didn’t mention it here when i first found it cuz of ‘the rule’ and whereas rules ARE meant to be broken (sometimes), i knew how they had hurt so many people and certainly didn’t want to stir anything up….i thought of emailing a couple people, but again, i didn’t want to stir anything up….but since it was BROUGHT UP tonight? i figured it would be okay to mention it!! and whereas i’m not 100% sure it’s them, there’s too much that’s similar there….the fall, the cab, the dog, no one around, vague evasive answers, not wanting anything from anyone (asides attention), and as soon as i follow them, profile set to private….

              and dlisted had a major problem with an attention troll shortly around the time she showed up—-this troll was NOT the same as her though…..if you go to dlisted you’ll see they have a commenting policy warning now and it’s because of THAT attention troll who had countless socks and IPs and just attacked people horribly and they’d ban her and her IPs and back she came…..i think she is also back, but not attacking people—-yet….

              what’s that saying? a leopard can’t change it’s spot?

            • Todd Tomorrow

              I had a puppy with cancer and went to the hospital three times a day after her biopsey. Was this the loon on the bunker a couple years back?

            • Missionary Kid

              Yup. We got catfished.

            • yep the one from last year actually! i can so relate to furbabies!! i had one in the hospital for almost a week and i lived a 1/4 mile away but i didn’t want to bother the staff that much—i could only go back when there was no surgeries in progress and/or they’d bring her into an exam room….BUT i called them every morning as soon as i got up and i went down twice a day at least to see her—be it in the back or in an exam room during their lunch down time hours…..and another time i had a kitty at the hospital for a few days after i moved to another city from them and it KILLED ME i couldn’t go in every day, but i CALLED a couple times a day—they put the phone up to his kennel—and my friend who lived in that city stopped in to see him on his way to work every day….and of course i knew he was in excellent hands and was getting loved up–BUT STILL…..that’s my baby…..but i couldn’t afford the gas—with all the vet expenses he had cost me!! but that was horrible….imagine with a new born BABY that would be magnified a thousand wanting to be with them and fa la la la she’s at home online…..

        • Jimmy3

          Seriously, when you consider the time invested and the eventual payoff, it’s not a very efficient scam at all. The album fund scam was much more lucrative.

          • it’s all for attention and it’s truly a serious, not life threatening, though still a ‘cry for help’…..they need help and it’s a shame they haven’t gotten it…..

          • Bury_The_Nuts

            And only took a few weeks followed by a little cancer “fake” scare.

          • stillgrace2

            True … but if your psychological need is “attention”- there’s a payoff.

            • Jimmy3

              A lot of people considered her to be charming, funny and talented. She could have received the attention she craved without the sob stories and outright lies. What sort of mental illness drives something like that?

            • Sherbet

              Good question, Jimmy.

            • stillgrace2

              Munchausen syndrome by proxy.

            • Jimmy3

              It’s not a perfect fit, but perhaps close enough.

            • munchausen by internet proxy!

            • Jimmy3

              Yeah, I mean, Munchausen’s by proxy typically involves real people, right? Many even slowly poison those close to them instead of completely faking it. I don’t know how much about her niece was true, but as you said above, the internet and fake person(s) adds a new dynamic.

            • there are considering making a new classification of munchausen by proxy for the internet as that can be even more complex and severe than in person….i had one of them across the street from me—in person….she had munchausen’s and whereas she made her kids fake illnesses she also convinced them they had serious diseases at times…i could get no agency to intervene…..after she left in a body bag, i raised holy hell with a time line of who i contacted when and perhaps if any of those places had done something (i wasn’t the only one reporting her, schools, teachers, doctors, etc) she could have got help, her kids wouldn’t be permanently physically harmed and psychologically harmed and she wouldn’t be dead…..a couple places have sense changed their protocols….

            • Sherbet

              Ouch. That’s terrible, Miss Tia.

            • very very terrible!!! and i had years of hell because i exposed her years and years of deceit and lies….including having a dog killed by her…..people who have spun lies, faked diseases, made their kids think they’re really sick, etc do NOT like being exposed…..i didn’t want to see her leave in a body bag and i certainly tried to get those children help….but aside from losing Molly (my dog) i would do it all again because it was the right thing to do and those kids deserved better and a lot of agencies dropped the ball….it’s really bad when they ignore pharmacists, doctors and teachers also….it wasn’t just me…….

            • Sherbet

              You have a good and generous heart, Miss T.

            • thanks Sherbet….i just try to do the right thing….and when it comes to kids? i know no one spoke up for me as a child—even though many were aware my biological mother was dangerously crazy—so that’s where i got my ‘i will speak out for those who don’t have a voice’ mentality from….i know first hand many people will know and/or see things but either figure someone else will do/say something or i guess they just deny it or i dunno what…..all the while there’s a child (or animal or adult) stuck in a situation thinking it’s ‘normal’ and/or wondering ‘why won’t anyone help me?’….

            • Narcissistic personality disorder is a mental disorder in which people have an inflated sense of their own importance, a deep need for admiration and a lack of empathy for others. But behind this mask of ultraconfidence lies a fragile self-esteem that’s vulnerable to the slightest criticism.

              http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/narcissistic-personality-disorder/basics/definition/con-20025568

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        What? what is wrong with 11 months pregnant?

        • stillgrace2

          Laughing!

          • Bury_The_Nuts

            High five my sista!

          • Sherbet

            I’m glad you can laugh about it a year later, stillgrace. I took note of today’s date and got a pain in the pit of my stomach over (1) last year’s fraud, and (2) other appearances she’s made in the recent past as she still tried to play us. I feel sorry for her and her family, but I also feel sorry for anyone who was duped. Show of hands? Mine is raised.

            It’s over with; I’ve moved on and let the resentment go. I only hope she had the decency to send the contributions to a worthy charity.

            • stillgrace2

              My only disgruntlement is how stupid she must think we are. Remember Chadicus, the Catholic priest, that offered to counsel bunkerites upset by the con? HER! Remember how she posted pictures of baby chimps in knickers. bitch.

            • her current user pix is a chimp in a diaper….i haven’t seen them post in awhile….i’ll snag it next time if you want me too….

              that faux priest was bizarre!!!

            • L. C. Spencer

              Good to know. I never tangled directly with her when she was here, and I have no wish to do so unknowingly anywhere else! Thanks for the heads up.

            • Yeah, when I discovered that I was relieved I hadn’t interacted them there!

            • ^^^^^^^^^
              She thinks she is smarter than us because we can actually love other people.

            • sookiesookie

              Stillgrace2, this is an older post, so I’m going to send a similar reply to you as one that I sent above, to Sherbet:

              A couple of weeks ago I said something in a comment to Howdy that Bury said made people think *I* was a reincarnation of 26. I don’t know if you thought this or not, but it upset me enough that I’m going to address it when it comes up, because I hate the thought of people seeing my avatar and thinking that she’s back.

              Once Bury confirmed that it was me that she’d been thinking was 26, I sent all my info to Tony and he knows that I’m not her. He’ll tell you if you ask him (again, if it’s even me that you suspect).

              Because I only started reading the Bunker this past summer, I still don’t know what it was that I said that sounded like her, but I hate that it happened. I had started to feel the camaraderie with other commenters that a lot of you feel, and now I feel like weighing a desire to post against “how many people will this upset, if they think that it’s MK?” It sucks. So, forgive me if this is out of left field, but I don’t want to miss an opportunity to fix the misconception, if it’s there.

            • *Hand raised really high*
              I don’t find dead babies funny. Real or not.

              I’m over it as far as not thinking about her except when some new person is suspiciously sycophantic. Her socks may fool me here and there but after a while I get a sniff of her. She’ll never have real friends here again. Not like she had before.

            • sookiesookie

              Nat, I’ve replied to others in this thread, but I want to reply to you too, since this is 5 days old. A couple weeks ago I said something in a comment to Howdy that Bury said made people think *I* was a reincarnation of 26. I don’t know if you thought this or not, but it upset me enough that I’m going to address it when it comes up, because I hate the thought of people seeing my avatar and thinking that she’s back.

              Once Bury confirmed that it was me that she’d been thinking was 26, I sent all my info to Tony and he knows that I’m not her. He’ll tell you if you ask him (again, if it’s even me that you suspect).

              Because I only started reading the Bunker this past summer, I still don’t know what it was that I said that sounded like her, but I hate that it happened. I had started to feel the camaraderie with other commenters that a lot of you feel, and now I feel like weighing a desire to post against “how many people will this upset, if they think that it’s MK?” It sucks. So, forgive me if this is out of left field, but I don’t want to miss an opportunity to fix the misconception, if it’s there.

            • Don’t take it personally. Just keep posting. It’ll be fine.

            • sookiesookie

              Sounds like good advice. Thanks.

            • sookiesookie

              Sherbet, a couple weeks ago I said something in a comment to Howdy that Bury said made people think *I* was a reincarnation of 26. I don’t know if you thought this or not, but it upset me enough that I’m going to address it when it comes up, because I hate the thought of people seeing my avatar and thinking that she’s back.

              Once Bury confirmed that it was me that she’d been thinking was 26, I sent all my info to Tony and he knows that I’m not her. He’ll tell you if you ask him (again, if it’s even me that you suspect).

              Because I only started reading the Bunker this past summer, I still don’t know what it was that I said that sounded like her, but I hate that it happened. I had started to feel the camaraderie with other commenters that a lot of you feel, and now I feel like weighing a desire to post against “how many people will this upset, if they think that it’s MK?” It sucks. So, forgive me if this is out of left field, but I don’t want to miss an opportunity to fix the misconception, if it’s there.

        • Jimmy3

          Buns vary when it comes to baking time. Plus, it depends on the oven and the temperature.

          • Bury_The_Nuts

            Yeah…Ok….Was she delivering a Blue fricking whale?

            • Jimmy3

              No. She was delivering two of them.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              pffttt

            • stillgrace2

              The funniest part was naming the twins after a pair of shoes.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Epic. I still have the Jpegs of them.
              Awww…fun times!

            • TheMirrorThetan

              That was a strange part wasn’t it? I mean shoes of all things.

            • Sherbet

              I’d rather be named “Oxford” or “Stiletto” than Bronx Mowgli, North, Apple, or Moxie Crimefighter,

            • TheMirrorThetan

              Yeah there are some bad kids names out there.
              Some kids must get teased so bad at school.

            • Jimmy3

              But not Pilot Inspektor.

            • TheMirrorThetan

              I had to look that one up, seriously that is a crap name that kid has to live with all his life.
              Almost as bad as Diva Thin Muffin or Audio Science.

            • Sherbet

              I think Frank Zappa started the stupid kids’ names trend with Dweezil and Moon Unit.

            • Jimmy3

              Everyone should take a cue from George Foreman and name ALL their kids after themselves. So what if you have five sons all named George? No one will ever forget what their name is. It makes it easy on the rest of us.

            • Sherbet

              One every couple of months, apparently.

          • Vaquera

            And how many buns.

        • Missionary Kid

          My ex was pregnant for nearly 10 with my youngest. He had dropped the last month, and she was miserable. Having a baby sitting on one’s bladder must not be fun. She let me know.

          11 months? I really doubt it.

      • aquaclara

        Ha ha ha. Unlikely.
        What a nightmare that was.

        Hope your holíday was terrific, Stillgrace!

        • stillgrace2

          Thank you, aquaclara! It was and is and the celebrating in this house doesn’t stop until next week! (Birthdays)

          • aquaclara

            I am sharing all my happy birthday messages from yesterday with you! And cake! Can’t have you missing all the fun.

            I am about ready for the celebrating to be done, but not quite ready to start the cleaning up. This inter holiday fluff time needs a name….

            • stillgrace2

              Thank you! Tomorrow is an epic day for me. I’m going horseback riding for the first time in eight years and four months! (I had a really bad accident jumping back then- first bad fall in many decades).

            • aquaclara

              Good luck!

            • Sherbet

              You had a birthday? Happy Belated Birthday, aquaclara.

            • aquaclara

              😉 thanks!
              It was an especially fun day. And today, I took my girls to a show in the city. How was your holiday?

            • Sherbet

              23 years old, right? 😉 My Christmas was very nice and sort of low-key, and I had a good time with the in-laws.

            • aquaclara

              Hahaha. Thank you for that-!
              Glad you had a good holiday with your in-laws. We had older kids and toddlers and the dog and one home from college houseful with a considerable variety in eating habits which makes family meals interesting. Funny how everybody loves desserts, though.

              My dog has finally found most of his toys which seem to fascinate a bunch of two and three year olds…and since the dog likes to bat around THEIR balls, stare at the tonka trucks, and even sniff the dolls and little people, I guess they are about even. 🙂

    • Vaquera

      I hope her sister has escaped the chult by now.

      • You think that part was true? I doubt it.

        • Vaquera

          Ummmmm, NO!

      • Robert Eckert

        If she even has a sister. I think Marcotai in Phuket may be the only Scientologist she ever actually met.

    • Vaquera

      Robert are you just sitting back, watching comments light up the screen?

      • Robert Eckert

        Busy the last few days with Christmas and catching up with people who are around for Christmas. I check on every few hours and find more hundreds of comments than I can readily catch up on.

        • Vaquera

          I meant that you made one comment about the other MK and Bunkerites jumped all over it, lighting up the thread. 🙂

          • Robert Eckert

            Most of that happened while I was the movies with a buddy.

    • TheMirrorThetan

      I wanted to say something at the time, but as I was a lurker I didn’t think my comments would be taken seriously but her behaviour was off sometimes and reminded me of another catfish who made up similar attention seeking stories.

      • Robert Eckert

        Well before stillgrace sniffed something wrong, Captain Howdy saw it, but I was among those who said the Captain was being paranoid. The whole thing was an education for me.

        • TheMirrorThetan

          I used to be a member of the group fandom Wank where they make fun of the crazy nuts in various fandoms and I remember one from the smallville fandom called Maria and she faked a baby and accident etc.. And while she was in hospital recovering from losing her fake baby had a sock-puppet post a list of things to send Maria. It was a whole performance that soon unravelled. Since then I have realised that fakers are common on the internetz. One thing they all thrive on is the attention they get.

    • Davka

      I admit, it was the first thing I thought of this morning when I pulled up Tony’s post. And been thinking about it for a few days before. Whole thing was so twisted sad awful. Lost soul preying on the goodness of others. Not to unlike the cause at hand and topic of this blog, if you think about it…..

    • Forget that psychopath — I am starting to get seriously concerned about Mooser.
      Edit: Has he taken such lengthy breaks in the past?

      • Jimmy3

        Why? He’s been around.

        • Really? When?

          • Jimmy3

            Last week or so. He pops in every now and then.

            • I must keep missing him. Thanks. I was starting to fret.

            • Jimmy3

              I’m leaving for a bit, though. I’ll be back next year.
              Happy New Year, Bunker. Have a good one.

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        His stats are way down, but he’s still out there regging for the good guys.

        • Good, as long as he’s about somewhere. I just haven’t happened upon any of his posts in over a month it seemed. I was already reminding myself of Howdy’s saying, “People come and people go from here — that’s just how it is.”

  • Couch_Incident

    I’ve decided John Travolta’s hair piece is a Body Thetan that he just can’t audit out. The real question is whether every time he changes the style, is it a different Body Thetan?

    • Couch_Incident

      Maybe the hair piece(s) will disappear along with the Beard.

  • Bury_The_Nuts

    “LRH Hall Master Member, $500,000: All Benefits Listed Above, Personalized Gift Presentation

    LRH Hall Member with Honor, $1,000,000: All Benefits Listed Above, Personalized Gift Presentation”

    Is is just me? but for a half a million…I feel Fubared!!!

    • Jimmy3

      It is just you. They personalize it for you.

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        I should have known!!!!

  • this is probably the most intriguing snippet I’ve read and the link for it has nothing to with it:

    “The missing Scientologists have been kidnapped and murdered by a very large Roman Catholic crime gang who work with psychiatrists to kill …

    http://showbizspy.com/article-282539/trend-tracker-leopard-print-coats.html

    … wonder what the hell it’s all about

    pic

    • Sherbet

      That IS strange, lush.

  • Little David

    There is another Bay Head House where LRH wrote Dianetics across the street from the one they just dedicated with John Travolta and Kelly Preston. At the house across the street is a photo of LRH with wife #2 (the “I never had a second wife) and child #3 (the child he kidnapped and took to Cuba then later claimed wasn’t his). There is another photo of LRH and wife #3 and child #4 (Diana) taken in front of the recently dedicated house. To see these photos and an interesting discussion about all of this go to ESMB: http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?37630-John-Travolta-at-Grand-Opening-of-Scientology-Site-of-Founder-L-Ron-Hubbard-s-Home

    • Tony Ortega

      As I pointed out below, the photos of Hubbard in front of 670 are interesting, but the letters he sent to Robert Heinlein at this time were postmarked from 666. So although it would be fun to think that Scientology bought and renovated the wrong house, the evidence for that is pretty thin.

      • Sherbet

        Do you think lrh wrote the return address as “666” as an in-joke? You know — the devil’s number?

      • Little David

        I am not claiming he lived at either house or both, I just find it interesting that there are photos of him in front of both houses with 2 different wives and that Scientology still has web pages saying he wrote Dianetics at both houses. I think the house with photos of LRH with Sara and John Campbell is probably 665 East Ave. Whatever house he was living in does Scientology say he was living with Sara and Alexis was born at that time or do they claim as LRH did that Sara wasn’t his wife and Alexis wasn’t his daughter? Having “The Bay Head House” as one of their “Heritage Sites” makes it difficult to maintain this particular fraud. I would like to go on a tour and ask the guide if Sara was living there and gave birth to Alexis with LRH just to see what they are saying about Sara and Alexis.

        Scientology says he wrote Dianetics at this house on one of their pages:

        http://www.traditionalhubbard.org/page12.htm

        And they say he wrote it at this house on another page:

        The Birthplace
        of Dianetics

        The home where Dianetics and Scientology Founder L. Ron Hubbard authored Dianetics: The Modern Science of Mental Health stands fully restored today in Bay Head, New Jersey, an hour south of New York City on the Atlantic shore.

        Dianetics was published in Manhattan on May 9, 1950, and soared straight to the top of The New York Times bestseller list. By the close of the 20th century, it was the best-selling self-help book of all time and remains so today.

        http://www.scientology-newyork.org/inside-our-church.html

      • Little David

        I am not claiming he lived at either house or both, I just find it interesting that there are photos of him in front of both houses with 2 different wives and that Scientology still has web pages saying he wrote Dianetics at both houses. I think the house with photos of LRH with Sara and John Campbell is probably 665 East Ave. Whatever house he was living in, does Scientology say he was living with Sara and Alexis who was born at that time, or do they claim as LRH did that Sara wasn’t his wife and Alexis wasn’t his daughter? Having “The Bay Head House” as one of their “Heritage Sites” makes it difficult to maintain this particular fraud. I would like to go on a tour of the house and ask the guide if Sara was living there and gave birth to Alexis with LRH just to see what they are saying about Sara and Alexis.

        Scientology says he wrote Dianetics at this house on one of their pages:

        http://www.traditionalhubbard.org/page12.htm

        And they say he wrote it at this house on another page:

        The Birthplace
        of Dianetics

        The home where Dianetics and Scientology Founder L. Ron Hubbard authored Dianetics: The Modern Science of Mental Health stands fully restored today in Bay Head, New Jersey, an hour south of New York City on the Atlantic shore.

        Dianetics was published in Manhattan on May 9, 1950, and soared straight to the top of The New York Times bestseller list. By the close of the 20th century, it was the best-selling self-help book of all time and remains so today.

        http://www.scientology-newyork.org/inside-our-church.html

  • The Dude

    I JUST WANT TO KNOW WHAT THAT T-SHIRT LOOKS LIKE! Sorry. Caps lock was on.

    • Sherbet

      There’s one way to find out, Dude.

      • The Dude

        Sister Mary of the Bunker? How was your Yule?

        • Sherbet

          Pretty cool Yule. How about yours? Everything copacetic on the South Shore?

          • The Dude

            Holding on. My son is stoked over his gifts so I am happy. 🙂

            • Sherbet

              That’s great. How old (if you don’t mind my asking)?

            • The Dude

              7. He had the Flu. Second time in a row he got it around X-Mas. Poor Little Dude…

            • Sherbet

              Aw, he must be a lot of fun at that age and proud that his dad is cool.

            • The Dude

              Thanks.(blush). He is fun. We went to see the Lego Art thing at Quincy Market. Super Cool!

            • Sherbet

              Yeah, I heard it was really good. Good for you, doing fun stuff while your son is young. You turn around and that 7 year old is 27, and you wonder where the years went.

            • Jimmy3

              It took 20 years for you to turn around. That’s where they went.

            • Sherbet

              Ohhhh. So that was it. Thanks for the physics lesson, Jimmy.

            • Jimmy3

              No, I’m not a physic, I was only basing my explanation on your comment.

            • Sherbet

              Didn’t I send you money on the Psychic’s Network?

            • Jimmy3

              If you did, I didn’t see it coming and never saw it go through.

            • Sherbet

              Ha! Good ol’ funny Jimmy.

            • The Dude

              Dion Warwick blocked him on Twitter

            • Sherbet

              Funny, Dude!

            • Missionary Kid

              I once saw a sign giving directions to a psychic’s convention. I thought that they shouldn’t need one. They’re supposedly psychic, right?

            • Todd Tomorrow

              They interviewed Dionne Warwick concerning wether the saw the downfall of, Ms Cleos psychic friends net work. She replied. ” hey it payed my light bill.”

            • The Dude

              As you all should know by now. I have no trouble relating to a 7 yr. old.

            • Davka

              Ooh! I want to go to the Lego art thing. Was just talking to Mr. Davka about it.

            • The Dude

              Do it. Fun stuff for all ages. Dude approved.

            • Impostor? But why?

            • The Dude

              My New Year’s avi. Still me. All The Dude, all the night.

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      Jesus man, I thought maybe you developed a Tracy Schmitz engram there for a second. Congrats on the new binary counting machine too.

      • The Dude

        Still getting used to this new keyboard(It is bigger than my last one).

        • The Dude

          That’s what she said………

          • L. Wrong Hubturd

            Apparently still not big enough. (rimshot) Oh, well that could be taken the wrong way….coming from an Avi like me.

            • The Dude

              Ba-Dum-Ba-Dum-Dum ,Tiss!

            • Stacy

              To think I worried about what I was missing last night…

      • Jimmy3

        You shouldn’t make fun of someone just because A KEY ON THEIR KEYBOARD IS STUCK IN AN ELECTRONIC INCIDENT.

  • The Dude

    The Dude is Back! What’s up, My Peeps?

    • Sherbet

      Nothing much. How’s life with you?

      • The Dude

        My wife got me a”New to You” laptop for me. Much faster than that doorstop iused to have

        • Sherbet

          Neat! (as I said about 40 years ago)

  • Vaquera

    Wouldn’t the e-meter cans melt Frosty’s hands? (refresh)
    http://instagram.com/p/w9aJItvge2/

    • Sherbet

      What is that? A craft fair with a scientology booth? Ugh.

      • Vaquera

        It was posted by a Sciloon named James Cleary. As for where, probably a Christmas bazaar? I know that the Portland org held one, but I doubt there would be a dianetics booth inside the org.

        • Sherbet

          Poor Frosty isn’t getting out of there without giving up the carrot at the very least.

        • L. Wrong Hubturd

          Nothing like a quick sec check while out shopping for used CLEAR bracelets from SP’s who’ve blown. At least the gift list get shorter, right?

        • The Dude

          What is your ruin Frosty?
          “I melt.”
          Stay cool with TC, JT, and DM.

      • Vaquera

        Portland org bazaar invite
        http://instagram.com/p/wu32QnP6w_/

        Some of the amazing items being sold!!!!
        http://instagram.com/p/w2Pe1Qv6zo/

        Even Santa came!!!
        http://instagram.com/p/w2Pk4VP6zx/

        • L. Wrong Hubturd

          They misspelled BIZARRE.

    • The Dude

      How do you get a reading from snow?

      • Vaquera

        Sciloontologiests have the snow-how.

    • Caption this (F5)

    • pic

      • a slight variation on the theme…

        pic

        • HAH! that’s funny….though kidman is oft referred to as an ice queen…..perhaps tommy girl thinks snow is softer? 😉

  • The Dude
    • Todd Tomorrow

      I had the flu or food poisoning last week and I laughed so hard I got stomach cramps!

  • The Dude
  • with all the OSA attacks on Jean Kasem on TMZ today it kind of freaked me out to just see her and Leah Remini [and Krustie] on the TV at the same time! [old episode of Cheers: ‘Loathe and Marriage – classic US sitcom; the regulars decide to throw a party for Carla’s daughter Serafina (Leah), when she announces that she has to get married’ …. spooky thetans and all that…

    • pic

    • caught one of the trolls on TMZ… what’s interesting is that her last comment on Disqus was 6 years ago… reckon they must be calling everyone they can for support

      pic

  • New video from Karen and Jeff

    “The 2 Churches of Scientology the one you see and the one you don’t see”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnGvyFtT9G4

  • Pierrot

    *** RED X +–+Notice +–+ RED X
    For those who do not have much time but would like to send a message to JJ in Boston and Tony Chen here are the links for Sacramento Riverpark mission.
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    James aka JJ & Gregory in Boston also needs our special attention as they have started spamming again since we gave them a good telling in June, check them in the Regional list or in the Last 4 days

    Remember the RRT (Reboot router tech) as explained in the tips of the Last 4 Days
    tab on the RedX Google doc : https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-Kvg78kCcvo5gL7UfPcmhmbsagTNtdj0y2LAiHVFrCU/pubhtml

  • Pierrot

    *** RED X +–+ RED X +–+ RED X +–+ RED X *** Saturday the 27th of December

    Good morning early birds and night owls,
    The clams are waking up after a short holiday spell.
    The score for yesterday is 64 new or refreshed ads bringing our Last 4 Days DOWN from 372 to 309 and the 7 days Regional List about EVEN at 503
    RedX write up : https://whyweprotest.net/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-117#post-2494321
    RedX spreadsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-Kvg78kCcvo5gL7UfPcmhmbsagTNtdj0y2LAiHVFrCU/pubhtml

    FREELOADER Debt is ILLEGAL and CAN’T BE ENFORCED.
    DON’T route out, BLOW, Get HELP, get OUT. CALL 1-866-XSEAORG

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  • Bradley Greenwood

    Travolta has the most beautiful blond beard.