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Claire Headley Explains How Scientology’s New Edicts Can Be a Gold Mine for the Church

AshtrayMoney2Claire Headley is taking us on our journey to train as Scientologists. She and her husband Marc were Sea Org workers who escaped from Scientology’s International Base in 2005. She spent years working with Scientology’s “tech,” and was trusted to oversee the auditing of Tom Cruise. Go here to see the first part in this series.

Claire, last time you steamed us up in Scientology’s sauna program, the Purification Rundown. What’s up next?

CLAIRE: TRs and Objectives. The concept is that you have now freed yourself from the harmful effects of drugs and toxins in your body, so now you’re ready to be rehabilitated on the subject of control, communication, and havingness.

THE BUNKER: You can’t have too much havingness.

CLAIRE: We covered the primary objectives processes on the Hubbard Qualified Scientologist course — book and bottle, CCHs etc.

THE BUNKER: So we’re back to CCH — for control, communication, havingness — which involves touching walls and mimicking your twin, and we’re also back to talking to ashtrays.

Up_The_BridgeCLAIRE: It’s more of the same. In other words, it’s a series of commands relating to physical execution. A big focus of the objectives is exteriorization. That’s the Scientology term for “out of body” experiences.

Honestly, this was a major part of Scientology that I never really came to terms with. I didn’t experience exteriorization, and that’s just the bottom line.

That’s not to say it doesn’t exist. I just didn’t experience it, although I felt really pressured on this subject beyond rationality. I never understood how being “out of my body” would make me a better person. Perhaps someone else experienced it and saw a benefit. I’m just telling you what happened for me. Exteriorization for me was the first thing in Scientology that really struck me as an “emperor’s new clothes” scenario.

Also, objectives can go on for tens to hundreds of hours if needed.

This is really basic stuff. This is considered to be the bottom of the grade chart, one of your first steps and an entry point into Scientology.

THE BUNKER: And yet here we are going through it for the second time on this trip up the Bridge.

CLAIRE: I hear rumors that today, top OTs — the people who have reached the top of the Bridge, the Operating Thetan levels — are being put back onto this step to redo the objectives. It doesn’t seem to matter that by policy you’re not supposed to ever have to redo anything. But now, redoing is the new order of the day.

THE BUNKER: This is more than a rumor. For at least the last year, we’ve seen a big emphasis on redoing the objectives, and now, with “Golden Age of Tech II” coming, we’ve seen multiple reports that redoing objectives is something all Scientologists are facing.

CLAIRE: Well, let me point out something about cost. Your auditing rates are determined by the level of auditor required to deliver the action. You can’t be audited by someone who is a lower case level than you are.

So in my case, I had reached OT V. That would mean that I could not be audited by someone lower than that level. And the OT V rates are, I believe, in the range of $1,000 to $1,500 per hour.

If I were to be sent back to do objectives, I’d be paying the OT V rate for really basic introductory steps.

That would rack up some serious bills in a very short period of time.

THE BUNKER: What a racket! Sure, yelling at an ashtray is all kinds of fun, but since you’re a big OT, your ashtray-yelling costs thousands per hour.

CLAIRE: The irony is that making someone redo a level they have already completed is deemed a technical degrade, and is a suppressive act. But obviously not if it’s ordered by David Miscavige.

In 2003, David Miscavige cancelled a whole boat load of people’s Clear states.

So for me, I was mid OT V and was given an “R-Factor” — short for Reality Factor. That’s supposed to be where you explain to someone what their next step is and why they “agree” with it and have “reality” on why that is needed.

My R-Factor was “Oops, we messed up, you’re not really Clear and now you’re going back on NED (New Era Dianetics).” It was a really bizarre situation since I had studied all the materials on the “Clear cognition” and had supervised delivery of the CCRD (Clear Certainty Rundown).

I’ve talked to a lot of people in and out of Scientology, and many of them were messed around with on the subject of Clear.

So from that experience, I can give you a pretty good idea of what must be happening with the objectives.

Since people have been leaving Scientology in droves, I’m sure this is Miscavige’s latest “Why.” In other words, this is how he explains to current members why other members have left. He tells them, obviously they really weren’t true OTs if they left. So let’s find out why people are leaving in droves. Aha! They all need to redo their objectives.

So now Mr. OT V is redoing these basic courses, but has to have them delivered by an auditor who is even higher on the Bridge than he is. And these are not quick courses. They can take hundreds of hours to get through.

THE BUNKER: Ka-CHING! For this installment, however, we’ll just use the same price for this course that we did the last time, at $1,000.

TOTAL SO FAR: $10,697

 
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Sports Illustrated Model Seen Entering Scientology’s Saddest Facility

Yesterday, the Daily Mail reported that model Jessica White made something of an obvious show of going into Scientology’s Celebrity Centre in New York.

Wait, Scientology has a Celebrity Centre in New York?

Yes, the org on 46th Street near Times Square tends to get the attention in this city, but there is a small, nondescript facility on East 82nd Street that we’ve walked past several times, and if you weren’t looking for it you’d likely walk right by without noticing it.

As Scientology facilities go — and we’ve seen quite a few — it’s just about the saddest-looking little place in David Miscavige’s real estate portfolio.

Can someone tell us what’s up with White, and why she’d think this was a good look?

 
Jessica_White

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on June 25, 2013 at 07:00

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  • 0tessa

    Scientology is literally degrading people.

    • richelieu jr

      I see what you did there.

  • DodoTheLaser

    Ok. Objectives are actually great. For about 2 minutes and 30 seconds, if free of charge.

    It took me about 12 hours to realize that (stupid, I know) running them on me and perhaps
    120 hours running it on others (pc’s hate Objectives almost as much as auditors, if not more).

    Now, when all the Clears and OT’s will have to redo their Obj’s as a part of GAT Phase 2 shindig,
    I expect all kinds of shit storms come down so hard, even Debbie Cook will say hi.

    • And I don’t rent cars!

      You are so incredibly sweet in spirit Dodo.

    • Zana

      Kind apology. Thoughtful.

      When I did TRs and Objectives I got a few “Ahahs” at the beginning… but then it just went on and on and on and on….zzzzzzz….and on and on…..ZZzzzzzz…. I can’t imagine doing them again AT ALL… and definitely not for $1,000 or more an hour.

      The one thing that keeps coming up for me about Scientology: No Love. And without love, you never get to bloom in your life. It’s the only thing of value in the world and the only thing that cannot be bought or sold in the marketplace.

      Go where the Love is.

      • Poison Ivy

        “Go where the Love is.”

        xox

        • FLUNK_101

          You mean, like, really get in touch with your inner Narcissis? Do you know the story of Echo and Narcissis? Juno put a spell on Echo so she could only echo the words of others.
          Echo saw Narcissis, and she fell in love. She echoed his words with all her heart!

          He wasn’t impressed.

          I was saved in part by love, especially my love for my parents, but also my inner Narcissis. After I’d attested to Clear, I felt like “They given you a number, and taken away your name.”
          That’s why I love the myth. It’s about reflections, of sight and sound … and hangin’ out by the pond, looking in the water and saying, “Hey, that guy looks pretty cool!”
          It’s sad what happened to Echo – she got stuck in a cave. “Is anybody in there … Is anybody in there … Is anybody in there …”

          • Narcissus was absolutely stagnant and was turned into a flower for his extreme vanity. It didn’t make any difference to him — it’s not like he cared to do anything with his life. That’s not love.

            • FLUNK_101

              Echo ended up stuck in a cave – she became an echo.
              I’m talking about reflections, how they take on a life if their own, and why I left scientology.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              I always liked that story.
              Not because of anything beautiful or magical….but because it is a practical tale of mutual destruction.
              Happens all the time.

            • Missionary Kid

              Kinda like The War of the Roses movie.

      • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

        Love cannot buy new Ideal Churches.

        Love cannot pay for wog attorneys and PI’s.

        Love cannot pay to charter a Boeing business jet for COB.

        Only cold hard cash gets things done on this miserable prison planet.

        This is why the Founder wrote in our scriptures:

        “Make money, make more money, make others produce so as to make more money.”

    • Missionary Kid

      If only Marty and Mike had the same spirit…

    • FLUNK_101

      It’s interesting how you do the TR’s and objectives right after the you do the purif, now that you’ve “freed yourself from the harmful effects of drugs.”
      Usually, when you come off of a euphoria-inducing drug, you experience something called anhedonia, the inability to experience pleasure … and here they are actually training you to be emotionless and “validating” you for it. What a clam-bake.

    • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

      DTL: As you are a DB and an SP, you have not been priviliged to see the new processing side of the Scientology gradation chart (the Bridge).

      We in RTC are proud to present COB Mr. David Miscavige’s staggering and epic recovery of Lost Tech.

      This new grade chart shows the Bridge as the Founder originally intended it; this before SP Transcriptionists altered the Tech.

      Here now, and whereupon, is the new exact sequence of Technical actions from OT VII and beyond:

      http://i1284.photobucket.com/albums/a563/OTVIIIisGrrr8/UpperBriidge_zps5bd68990.png

      • ParticleMom

        So there is no OT9?

        • DodoTheLaser

          Hahaha! Good catch!

        • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

          OT9 has been renamed the “All Orgs Must be Ideal Zone.”

          The EP of OT9 is that all Orgs are so Ideal in terms of MEST that Tom Cruise can now invite his Wog movie star friends to come in.

          The Orgs are dumps so get busy on OT9 raising money to get all of the Orgs Ideal so that OT10 and the other higher levels can be released!

          Move it!

  • ze moo

    ‘Model Jessica White’ got press by going into a NYC Celbutard ‘church’. What’s next, ‘reality’ stars get drunk and get into bar fights in New Jersey? Odd, what some what some pr firms can get printed. Somebody got a payoff for running this story. Not Tonyo though, those millions from pharmacology {motto ‘Better Living Thru Chemistry’} will keep him in prime rib and scotch. Me, I only get hot dogs and beer. But they’re good hot dogs and beer.

    The ‘Golden Shower of Tech 2’ is just to remind the clamdom that derkleineüberfürher wants more money and well brainwashed clams. How many will rebel and escape?

    By the time Davey is finished, the cult will have another 1/2 billion dollars and will have created their own suicide bomber corps. KSW mein fürher! Seig Ron!

    • Missionary Kid

      Am I right in assuming that derkleineüberfürher is, in essence asking clamdom to prove that they love $cientology enough to put up with his shit?

      I think the effect, while raising money, will end up like the Soviet purge of the military before WWII, but instead of sending people to the gulag or, as Co$ has, the Hole, there will be even more defections. This is at a time when he’s going to need all of the support he can get in the upcoming legal fights.

      With more defections, plaintiffs will have more information, and that will make it easier for them to win.

      • sharon brown

        From your mouth to Xenu’s ears !

    • Poison Ivy

      “‘Golden Shower of Tech 2′” Brilliant!

      I always wondered, what is it with Miscavige and all this “Gold” stuff. Golden Age Producitons, Gold Base, Golden Age of Tech…it’s just so – market-y.

      • Missionary Kid

        Sorry, but when I hear about “Golden Shower,” I think of some sort of fetishist. Ewww.

        • Poison Ivy

          I think the inference is, Miscavige is peeing on the membership. Which seems to be an apt metaphor.

          • Look everyone, COB has blessed us with a beautiful golden rain. So theta!!!!!!!!!

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              [IMG]http://i40.tinypic.com/2m5ntih.jpg[/IMG]

          • Missionary Kid

            I don’t think it’s just pee.

        • Kim O’Brien

          don’t think about a golden rod …oops ..too late 😉

        • BuryTheNuts2

          Oh gawddddd MK. I have to get on my flight.
          Thanks for leaving me this picture in my head!!!

          • Missionary Kid

            Sorry.

  • Observer

    If Scientologists are supposed to have superhuman versions of humanity’s positive attributes–and LRH certainly extolled creativity–shouldn’t Davey be able to come up with more creative ways to fleece the flock than just redoing everything over and over?

    • richelieu jr

      The problem is, if Hubbard didn’t say it, you can’t do it. Wherefore the retarded inflexibility of clamdom, and the inability to stop hitting yourself in the head with a hammer just because it hurts and isn’t making the headache go away..

      You must be doing it wrong! LRH said hammer blows work., so do it again. Harder!

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Because he figured out he doesn’t need to. All he needs to please are a few hundred whales who only require VIP Lounges in a SuperPower empty building, 4 ft shiny trophies and a Seat of Honor at the scientology D list celeb tables. He learned a major lesson from GAT I and the 10 ft high piles of Basic books molding in foreclosed garages. Those annoying bankrupt customers still cloying at his robes were not fans, they were fanatics. He’s weeded out the addicts with vaulted trust funds and has melted his sales plan to 99% profit, 1% cost/expense. Makes you wonder what he really does with all that free time and 20 ft high piles of easy money.

      • Missionary Kid

        Unfortunately for Davey, the empire is also based on free, dedicated, low cost labor. If that disappears with defections, there won’t be enough of them to service the whales, and his cost of retention of them will go up significantly. Does that seem correct to you?

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          I’d guess he buys trophies wholesale. What are his expenses? Lawyers, PI’s, Accountants. OT 7’s, remember, audit themselves at home. Every 7 months they fly to Flag, must stay at his pricey hotels, eat at his pricy restaurants, and actually pay thousands to have some acne faced, drooling Children of the Corn interrogate them for a week and they do this for years and years. Now, those still showing a breath on the mirror and do OT 8, a quickie on the ship, they all get to do Objectives, probably co audit, another cheap to deliver item on the menu. Why do you think Miscavige chose Objectives, heh. So where’s the overhead? Electricity. Utility bills. That auditor will get paid maybe $50 for the entire week, no insurance, no benefits of any kind, cheap food. No, the whales pay and pay and pay.

          • Missionary Kid

            A lot of the care of the facilities are done by the worker bees. What happens when those workers’ numbers are reduced substantially or they are replaced by inexperienced people to administer to the whales?

            Whales like to be treated well, and if they aren’t, because of cuts in service or unskilled handlers, I don’t think they’ll be as likely to stick around.

          • From what I’ve heard, in one of the recently restored lectures Hubbard said something about running a certain number of hours of objectives. So now that’s the arbitrary standard instead of simply going for an EP. FLAG is making people redo the purif based on God knows what as well. I have to wonder if this is Davey whittling the cult down to a core of hardcore sheep that will hand over their money without question.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              yes

    • Xenu, Lord of Kobol

      Multiple choice reply (select your one or more):

      1). Stop being unreasonably reasonable
      2). Why make new when overly used will do
      3). Have you not heard of GAT II or Ideal Orgs? Davey’s {genius at its finest}

    • Real Shellback

      I got news for you (well not really.)

      Davey thinks this IS creative!

  • Truthiwant

    Cancelling one’s Clear status is something that the Organization has done many times. Back in the late 80’s it happened and I remember getting a call one day from some idiot that said, without hardly introducing himself, “You’re not Clear, you need to re-do the Bridge”.

    Now, if somebody had said that to me today, I would have replied: “I know. Nobody is Clear because the State of Clear does not exist” and I would have put down the phone thinking what a bunch of assholes these people are. However, then it was a bit distressing to get such a call, with no subtlety whatsoever telling me this piece of information and the worst thing was that you could not even ask any questions because the only answer was “You have to re-do the Bridge”.

    The sad thing about Scientologists is that they believe in what is said to them and if the Organization says that you have to repeat some grade, then you get out your check book, keep your mouth shut and pay to do it again.

    If only everybody could just wake up and realize that Scientology is a money-spinning swindle and the person behind it all, LRH, was a junkie and a pathological liar.

    • richelieu jr

      Yup, the whole ‘clear’ Oops not a clear, pay again! Thing is in the honoured tradition of LRH!

    • Missionary Kid

      Do you have an idea if the cancellations caused defections at that time?

      • Truthiwant

        Yes it did, but I personally didn’t know about them. I discovered years later.
        D’oh!

        • Missionary Kid

          Was it a large percentage?

          • Truthiwant

            That I can’t tell you. They were the boom years so even if there were a lot of defections, there were still lots of people “in” and it was not noticeable.
            Remember that the Organization are very good at keeping defectors away from the Scientologists.

            • Missionary Kid

              The {organization} (sarcastic font) is so much smaller now that it’s going to be harder to keep the faithful from noticing departures, IMO.

            • Truthiwant

              I agree. If there are only two people in an Org and half the people leave, that leaves you on your own. I think you might just notice your colleague not turning up any more

            • Zana

              LOL!

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            The standard business model Was based on high volume traffic, wit a 20% retention rate. It never reached that, more like 1 to 2%. Marketing was always way overpriced in scientology, but hell, it was the Hubbard way, so of course continue. The scientology product line has Always been fluid so members are used to it, and believe each change is only for the better. The Clear and OT carrots, however, have always proven to be risky business except when Hubbard had another one of his money cravings, and put 10 flavors of Clear on the menu so just about everyone could pay for expensive OT levels immediately or by Thursday at 2 pm. It friggin’ worked.

            It takes an unprofitable amount of staff and resources and time to deliver scientology bridge steps (except OT 7 and 8 of course, those are a gold mine with little work). It would never work in the real world of business and it doesn’t work in scientology either.

            Totalitarian measures via Hubbard’s ethics control machine and slave mentality is what keeps it floating. This latest GAT II move will thin out the straggling herd I’d estimate by about another whopping 20 to 30%, more likely because of finances rather than them waking from their coma.

            • Missionary Kid

              This has to be a real situation of diminishing returns. It’s going to be harder on those left, but it means that Co$ is truly imploding.

            • ze moo

              Those who are left are going to be asked to pay for the whole shebang and the cash will not flow up to Davey anymore. Even whales and faithful minions run out of money. When that happens, everyone but the upper management will walk away. Let the real estate sales begin.

            • Zana

              Yes. That’s what appears to be happening. And all the cash from the real estate will be going…where? Follow the money. Crazy Davey? Not-So-Crazy Psychopathic Davey?

            • Zana

              I hope it gets so hard on the ones left that they wake up and get out.

              Unfortunately the ones still in the Hole might not be able to leave so easily…however, it draws the boil to a head. At least might get them some help. Free the Slaves! Free the Slaves!

            • Missionary Kid

              AMEN! FREE THE SLAVES IN THE HOLE!

            • Zana

              This whole thing is held up by slaves. Without the slaves, it would have collapsed a long time ago. So much for the so-called Administrative Jungle that they have created.

    • sharon brown

      Luckily more are questioning having to redo the tech. My Favorite explaining still is Jason ” show me a Mother Fucking Clear” Beghe ! Just wanted to join in , in the F bomb throwing early in the morning ! Hee hee

      • TongDaddy

        fuck ya (I wanted to join in too)

      • Zana

        Show me an F-Bomb Clear!

        Me too…:-)

    • I totally get it now. The “bridge to total freedom” is an Escherian staircase! http://www.geeknative.com/39630/the-amazing-escherian-stairwell-illusion-video-and-the-myth/

    • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

      Truthiwant, you’re still not Clear and you still need to re-do your Bridge.

      So please come in to your nearest Ideal Church today for a free D of P!

      • Truthiwant

        That’s just what I need. The encouraging words from a member of RTC.

    • Zana

      Amazing! Thank you for sharing this. The fact that they are stupid and socially inept just adds gasoline to the fire.

      What a racket! “You’re not Clear, you need to re-do the Bridge.” My ex-FSM had to re-do a lot of their Bridge over…again and again. Seemed to take it in stride. They still won’t look at the truth of it all. Thanks for a sanity check!

  • DodoTheLaser

    While the official purpose of Objectives is to bring one in present time,
    whatever the fuck that means, the whole routine is extremely mind-numbing dreck.

    People are coming up with “cognitions” and “EP’s” mostly just to get out of it.
    Because the Objectives are so tedious and redundant, it’s not even funny.

    Most people ARE in present time the whole fucking time, thank you very much.

    • Missionary Kid

      If you’re a $cientologist, you’re in past time – the 50s or before, because that’s where LRH had fixed his basic attitudes.

      • DodoTheLaser

        This?

        [IMG]http://i39.tinypic.com/e0r3ir.jpg[/IMG]

        Notice “S”. Tinfoil.

        • Missionary Kid

          In his mind.

      • sharon brown

        And until they leave , they stay in the past on so many levels . Pretty sad for a wanna be sci- fi writer , couldn’t even use his imagination to see progress in the future. George Orwell, 1984…

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        I love this artwork by Julien Picaud so much. It Speaks truth.

        [IMG]http://i41.tinypic.com/m8l0go.jpg[/IMG]

        • Missionary Kid

          Those aren’t space ships, they’re my warts.

        • Unex Skcus

          What, no newer model DC8 spaceships?

    • Truthiwant

      I fucking well agree with you there.

      • DodoTheLaser

        Well, fuck! Thanks! 🙂

        • Truthiwant

          That’s fucking all right.

    • richelieu jr

      It’s funny, because aren’t these lower levels supposed to be the great workable stuff, the ‘hook’ chock full of ‘win’?

      If folks are already having to pretend to get it just to move on, it’s strange they’d not hop out of the simmering pot at this point…

      • DodoTheLaser

        Good point. Objectives will be eliminated in GAT’s Phase 3, I suppose.
        Unless IRS will get there, circa 2014. Ouch.

    • Casabeca

      I understand that members don’t say no to the repeats because their eternity is at risk.
      As a never in, I wonder what sort of afterlife do they envision for us?

      • DodoTheLaser

        Well, if you are Clear or better yet OT, you supposedly will go and pick up another baby body
        of your choice (probably in a wealthy and healthy family), since you are so full of awesome.

        The rest of us might get brainwashed by the evil space psychs (so we don’t remember our previous life and our immortality) and shipped back to this “prison planet” where we might pick up new body somewhere eventually.

        In 60 + years of existence of numerous Clears and OT’s, there was NO ONE, to my knowledge, who could conclusively prove that they are past life Clear/OT.

        I hope it answers your question, Casabeca.

        • Casabeca

          Thank you so much Dodo. I appreciate the info and your tender heart. You are an expert on a fascinating subject!

          • DodoTheLaser

            You are very welcome! Thank you for the kind words!

  • richelieu jr

    I’ve got so much havingness I’ve had to rent a storingness unit.

    • Missionary Kid

      My first laugh of the day. Thanks.

    • And I don’t rent cars!

      One last comment. On June 25th of this blog, I meant to send you and Observer this silly post but Tony’s second post of the day distraced me and I forgot to do so.

      Admissions:

      Not so very long ago, at an age where I was long meant to not entertain such adolescent thoughts, I use to wish that David Bowie and Annie Lenox had a child together and that child was “Moi.” (This was decades after my teenage longings to be Janis Joplin – her early years, long before Woodstock.)

      Now, after eagerly looking forward to you and Observer’s, verbally and visually, brilliantly succinct and witty posts each day, I wish richelieu jr and Observer had a child and that child was “Moi.”

      Ok, now imagine my total embarrassment as my old, boney, and veiny finger nervously hesitates (er, the shaking is not a result of palsy) over the “post” button.

      cc: Observer

      • richelieu jr

        That’s so sweet! Bowie was always as close to an idol as I’ve ever had…

        • And I don’t rent cars!

          Oh puh-leeze, don’t say that. And here I thought my web crush couldn’t get any bigger!

  • richelieu jr

    Clear.
    Nix clear

    FLUNK!

    Pay again!

    Clear.
    Nix Clear

    Flunk!

    Pay again!

    Clear?

    • Missionary Kid

      Never clear.

      Pay again.

      • Missionary Kid

        Pay again.

        Pay again!

        You’re now a $cientologist.

      • richelieu jr

        I once drank so much Neverclear that I nearly went blind.

        • Missionary Kid

          Another good laugh.

    • 1subgenius

      Just sayin’

      • TongDaddy

        works every time

      • Had many a fun evening back in the day with that stuff!

        • Shannon

          That picture gave me the shivers because I did as well. I’m not my any means old but shit I don’t know if I could handle that shit again.

          • I know I couldn’t anymore. Some things are best left in the past – like Scientology!

            • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

              I mentioned Scientology to a friend who is a successful, professional journalist and writer. He responded, “That was a 20th Century cult”. Good indicator or what?

            • Poison Ivy

              You said it!

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Hey, throw in some Cal Mag, a sprinkle of blue green algae, and some niacin, and scientologists will drink it! Maybe there will be a an EverClear Smoothie Bar in the Super Power Building. I personally wish some of these old geezers would get the hell out of their heads already. I don’t care if they call it a Hubbard exteriorization win or delusional dementia, maybe then they will finally “peak”, gather their certs, throw out the cans, and finally…. just go home.

      • Poison Ivy

        Bad experience w/Everclear punch from college. That’s dangerous stuff.

        • BuryTheNuts2

          Ah, jungle juice?
          Evil.

          • Missionary Kid

            Especially when ice cold and mixed with ice cold grapefruit juice.

        • Back in my younger days we’d take 1 or 2 fifths of that stuff and a bunch of different frozen juices and mix it up in a drink cooler. We called it battery acid. Man you talk about a bunch of people getting crazy trashed…

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            and here I thought Ripple was the worst!

        • Captain Howdy

          I was reading that it taste the same as high end vodka when consumed straight. That makes it very dangerous.

          • Missionary Kid

            I got mine in mexico. It didn’t taste that good.

          • Sandy

            Couldn’t buy it in Minn, so whenever my Dad passed thru No Dak (IIRC) he would buy a bunch. He wasn’t a drinker, and thought it was an inexpensive way to provide cocktails to visitors ;o)

      • Casabeca

        At least yours exists!

  • mook

    the Jessica White story looks like nothing more than a photo op. looks like the cult’s days of attracting a-list celebs are over.

    in somewhat related news, Dutch Narconon was shut down by the Netherlands Health Inspector
    https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/dutch-narconon-all-but-closed-by-the-health-inspection-june-25th.111828/

    • Missionary Kid

      Thanks, I can’t wait for the English translation of the letter from the Health Inspector, which is promised shortly.

    • mirele

      Wow, big news on the NN front, not being able to take in new raw meat for six months is almost as good as shutting them down…

    • Missionary Kid

      I got a garbled translation from Google, and they have NOT been shut down. Basically, as I understand it, The inspector had made some unannounced inspections in response to some complaints. NarCONon had agreed to certain conditions, and didn’t follow through. They admitted a patient who still had drugs in their system, and they weren’t to act as a detox.

      The letter tells them that they are going to be subjected to further unannounced inspections and close supervision.

    • Full English translation of the letter in question is now included in the thread. I think it’s a bit too long to post here, so let me give some additional thoughts.

      The Inspections are a result of a series of five or six complaints that I made to the Inspection between June last year and March this year. I actually have another draft complaint sitting in my e-mail box, imploring the Inspection once more to act. I’ll still be sending that complaint though, as it contains new information about Narconon which I don’t think the Inspection is aware of yet.

      I’m not entirely certain at this stage what to make of the limits the Inspection has placed on Narconon.
      They are most certainly not allowed to do cold turkeys any more. It appears they are still allowed to place patients on the Sauna/Niacin program though after they gone through withdrawal. If this is true, I am rather disappointed in the Inspection. It may also be the case though that they are only allowed to do the TRs and stuff like that.

      At least one journalist I spoke to has called the Inspection to try to get clarity on this, but it is still unclear to me at this stage. It would perhaps be useful if a journalist with a deep knowledge of Narconon would place a call with the Inspection (paging Tony?).

      Funnily enough Narconon tried to prevent the Inspection from publishing the decision to place them under increased survaillence. Unfortunately for them, it’s standard procedure and there has already been quite a bit of Dutch media attention (with more to follow).

      It also appears (but I could well be wrong) that the cult attempted to find out my name through a FOIA request.

      Unfortunately for them, I will be keeping the pressure up.

      • Damian DeWitt

        A huge thank you for staying on top of the Dutch authorities! May your efforts lead to Narconon being completely shut down in the Netherlands.

        • PreferToBeAnon2

          Keep up the good work! And than you for keeping us posted! This hydra-headed NarCONon must be cut off at every point. As things get rougher here in the US for them, they will be increasingly popping up overseas. We will win this game of whack-a-mole! We have to!

      • Missionary Kid

        Thank you for your efforts.

      • aquaclara

        outstanding work + outstanding results = WIN!
        ….and I love this line, “Unfortunately for them, I will be keeping the pressure up.”
        way to go!!!

      • The journalist who inquired with the inspection wrote his article. He wrote:

        Why Narconon is given these requirements is not clear. The Inspection
        could not answer this question today within a few hours. They did
        however confirm that Narconon has to relinquish their so-called WTZi
        certification. Organisations without such a certification, cannot call
        themselves a health care provider and are not allowed to be medically
        active.

        This doesn’t mean that Narconon has to close shop. ‘Non health care
        providers are not allowed to provide care, but they can give help’, a
        spokesperson explains, ‘think about social reintegration’.

        (end quote)

        So this would indicate they do have to stop overdosing patients on niacine. Let’s hope that’s indeed the case!

      • Casabeca

        It must feel wonderful to see real results from your work! Kudos to you!

    • Still_On_Your_Side

      I agree, the Daily Mail has a spread of photos of her arriving in what appears to be a limo. How did any of the press know she would be there?

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    I’m placing bets on how fast Jessica’s bag and shoes show up for a short sale on ebay. Oh wait, the staff would not have a clue of what $$$ they were looking at, would they? No wait, this is New York. I’ll give it 1 week.

  • DodoTheLaser

    Dear Claire, I had no idea you reached OT V.. So sorry.
    Love to you, beautiful kids and Marc! Thank you for doing this.

  • sugarplumfairy

    Hmmm.. Jessica’s pretty tall.. Is there a new round of cruise mrs. auditions?

    • Missionary Kid

      Only if she plays his step-mom while he plays a small child.

      • sugarplumfairy

        I’m pretty sure he likes to be daddy.. It’s a big being thing..

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          big daddy or little daddy?

          • sugarplumfairy

            daddy scibucks..

        • Missionary Kid

          He probably has a short man’s complex, where he tries to bring everyone else down to his level.

          Most of the short people I know don’t have it, but those who do are truly obnoxious at times. Having the power DM does makes him powerfully obnoxious, with no checks on his power, IMO.

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            Their height matches their emotional levels…all stunted at the age where they are crying for their daddy, or crying because of their daddy. Take a look around at any of the asshats running scientology through the decades and you will see the pattern. Can’t miss it.

      • sugarplumfairy

        Who’s your big being??

        • Missionary Kid

          My humanity. 😉

  • DodoTheLaser

    Jessica White who? So much irony, I better shut up.

    In another news, may Pussy Riot prevail globally:

    [IMG]http://i41.tinypic.com/ousbxz.jpg[/IMG]

    • jensting

      And Femen!

    • Poison Ivy

      Can’t wait to see that doc.

      • Captain Howdy

        Pssst…get it while it’s hot..before they take it down, that is

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzSVsE6XZOY

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          tip of the hat to you, Cap’n. I thought it was a compelling doco. My problem with the whole shebang is I kept waiting to discover what their beliefs were and I am Still waiting. I wish the 2nd half was in the 1st; I couldn’t help flashing to vid cuts of the The Manson Family girlies with their curled lip, petulant smirks, oozing arrogance and not educated, articulate protestors and civic minded activists. Interesting to see another group playing the religious card from another perspective. Very colorful visuals, verbage and sound tracks here…. like the Jerry Garcia lookalike grabbing his “spiritual weapon”, peppered with deranged vaginas, acts of hooliganism, and the obligatory “dangerous words”. Commentor on YT summed it up best:

          “The religious men pining for the days when they could simply burn women at the stake as witches says it all”

  • Racnad

    While clearing engrams of painful memories and doing TRs to develop better communication skills makes some logical sense, I found no logical sense in the purpose CCH of repeatedly touching walls and bottles and describing their color & temperature. I spent hours doing this and this was actually as far as I ever got with Scientology auditing. I suspect the EP actually occurs when you drive someone into an drug-like altered mental state with this. Most people haven’t experienced being driven into this kind of state without actual drugs, so they attribute it to the magic of the Tech. This is the point where new Scientologists pass from believing something because it at least sounds logical to believing something just because SOURCE said it.

    For years when it became apparent that the Tech was not producing actual Clears, LRH came out with new processes to try again, what some observers called the “THIS IS IT!” of the year.

    But being restrained from developing entirely new processes and unable to attract new followers, all Miscavige can do is have existing members repeat all the old processes.

    • sugarplumfairy

      I disagree that any of it makes actual sense.. The only thing that makes actual sense is cutting your losses and walking away..

      • Captain Howdy

        When you’re kids playing some make believe game inevitably some wise ass/bully comes along and tries to change the rules.

        Scientologists through the use of auditing/hypnosis have been regressed to a childlike state.

        • sugarplumfairy

          yep..

      • Peter

        Whether it makes sense to you – or anyone else – is not the issue. Obviously, staying in makes sense to those who do. Until something that they see, hear or experience, starts an itch somewhere. they will remain in. Some can quit quickly. For others, as we’ve seen on this list, it can take years and decades. So be it. I had tons of wins while I was in, made some great friends who remain great friends, helped a lot of others, had a great deal of fun and, all the while knowing that Hubbard was not truthful much of the time nor flawless personally or professionally. So what? We all deal every day with groups or businesses which leave quite a bit to be desired. When the relationship gets out of balance, we change groups or give our monies to other businesses.

        Tony has presented a terrific forum to explore and comment on truly horrendous policies and behaviours in the current environment. I can assure you, it was NOT always this way. It crept in slowly and insidiously. Whether Hubbard was the source of everything he wrote on or presented was/is not the issue for me, either. Was it true? Was it useful? That’s all I cared about. The ARC triangle was of great value. The Cyle of Communication still is, very basic in my life today. Do I care if it actually came from him? Not one whit.

        I particularly like and value The Code of Honour. Other than #3 and #12, i do my best to practice it. It works. It makes sense. To ME. What anyone else thinks of it is not my concern. That he also instigated Ethics, a non self adjudicated Moral Code, in direct contradiction to the Code of Honour, was one of those things I simply shook my head at and continued my own personal growth.

        The indies wish to continue the best of what they know. Categorizing them as crazy, misled, stupid, or any other pejorative terms is both pointless and thoughtless. They are doing what they *believe* in, as are all on this list. That’s as it should be. They believe they are helping people and, apparently, so do those being helped since the indie field seems to be growing while the orgs are collapsing.

        DM? I personally believe he is certifiably insane, in the full meaning of that word. Do I understand why his “juniors” continue with him? Not in the least. Had anyone ever slapped or punched me when I was in, they’d have needed serious medical help and would not have been at all pleasant. That so many people apparently stand for that…or let themselves to locked up for long periods of time while being subjected to slave status…just boggles my mind. But those are the facts of life in the higher regions of the “institution”. 🙂

        Hubbard is long dead. I give him little thought any longer. His final years must have been dreadful, so some punishment was accorded him. What happens next? That’s the Big Mystery. Do we live again? Frankly, by the time I was 16 I came to the conclusion that it was irrational and illogical to believe otherwise. I’d already experienced OOB so knew I was not “just” my body. Other lifetimes came via auditing and other non auditing experiences. Again, I care not what anyone else thinks on the subject. Same with “God”. Life itself is , to me, a miracle and the complexity of that bespeaks some powerful form of intelligence, whatever that might be called or thought of.

        As Einstein said, “We don’t know one millionth part of anything.”

        End of rant. LOL

        • sugarplumfairy

          I’d say that if you have to cherry pick items from your honor code, it’s time to pick a better honor code..

          • Peter

            Thanks for your input. Simply ignoring two gives me a much better one.

    • DodoTheLaser

      Yeah, nothing like stepping on already bruised toes.

    • Claude

      The TRs are basic hypnotism. Hubbard wrote extensively about this. The basic practice is to put someone in an abnormally passive state by issuing a mind-numbingly long series of simple orders that are easy for the dupe to comply with. Hubbard know that the longer you can maintain that state of mind in the dupe, the more likely you will obliterate their capacity for critical thinking.

  • 0tessa

    Ms. White is looking pretty much OT already, I think.

  • BosonStark

    Repeating these levels is probably fun, because if it’s not fun, it’s not Sciloontology.

    It’s your choice — live your next trillion years in “shivering agonized darkness” or “triumphantly in the light,” repeating levels in Sciloontology. These moonbats are the only ones with all the answers.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      You bring up an excellent point, BS. For those wondering how in the world could these people Still be standing in line for this punishment, there is your answer. When you hear how they talk about fearing they will lose their “eternity”, what they explicitly mean and Believe is that they might live over and over as fucked up as they are at the moment. And by this time, they are really, really fucked up and they know it, and they feel it both physically and in their fast shrivelling tortured souls. They are freaked about this in earnest. I don’t mean to make light of it because these people are Terrified. And scientology’s pablum is the Only thing they can swallow now.

      For this group, drastic changes in the bridge are not a cause for exit stampede. These are sign of a new Hope that they might really, really get better This time with This product. This will be their invisible armour that will set them free of life’s problems and pains and all that hard stuff and make their own demons and aches disappear. It is a very sad mental state and it is scientology at its inevitable conclusion: cruel and twisted wrecks of what was once a human being. Now, they are OT.

      • BosonStark

        Yeah, probably “fun” was a stretch, but I get the “hope” part. Very little of this cuckoo works, except at giving members hope. So, if for some people, the idea that they will be better if they repeat a step or two (or all the steps) makes them feel better by giving them hope, it makes some sense.

        There’s got to be some safety valve for clears who don’t feel clear and OTs who lack super powerz, that’s there’s something they can do — they’re pulling in so much stuff — and they could be lost for eternity. Plus,it just makes good business sense, in a cult like this that is primarily designed around sucking money.

        Sciloons know that there is something that can be done about it, and in Sciloontology that something might be repeating a step, filing a knowledge report on someone, or killing a dog.

      • DodoTheLaser

        Brilliant summation, THDNE! So very true!

      • Casabeca

        This intellectually interesting and utterly heartbreaking. It explains so much.

  • George Layton

    If a person has not read dianetics and is unfamiliar with scientology when they first approach it, at what point are they actually introduced to the engram theory. is the focus on (oh we see you have a problem in this area of your life and with that we can help) and then later the reason for problems is explained?

    • Claude

      Engrams are basic and Scilons even discuss them in public (in generalities). You get introduced to Engram theory long before you get introduced to Body Thetan theory.

      • ze moo

        Accepting the CO$ teachings on engrams and their evolution into body thetans is the first real choice the client has to make. I suppose you can put up with the learning tech and moving ashtrays and KSW, but here is the point where you really have to suspend disbelief and drink the kool-aid. Those who can’t accept BTs are the lucky ones, they have spent ‘only’ 10-15k, the others are on the road to spending 500k and losing all their non-clam friends. The CO$ either gets its money, or it gets its faithful minion.

  • claybonnyman

    Scam! Scam! Scam! Scam!

    Scam! Scam! Scam! Scam!

    Awful scam! Horrible scam!

    (with apologies to Monty Python)

    • Missionary Kid

      No need to apologize. It was appropriate. My only criticism is that you didn’t have enough Scam!

      • claybonnyman

        My recollection of the chorus is just the “spams” as noted above. Was an inveterate Python’s Flying Circus watcher as a teenager (i.e. impossibly weird).

        • Missionary Kid

          You weren’t alone. Just the name Monte Python brings a smile to millions.

  • claybonnyman

    I have a nephew who has experienced some trauma and is a very rigid thinker. Unfortunately, he’s been snared quite recently by a fundamentalist Christian church that tells him what to think – and that’s what he thinks. They say, “The Methodists and Catholics have twisted the words of Jesus!” and he believes it; when I ask him what the Methodists and Catholics preach and believe, he has no idea.

    It seems to me that the same principle must be at work with “members” (aka hapless customers) of the Co$. They are told that if they don’t obey, they lose their trillion-quadrillion-zillion year eternal life and so they don’t question anything.

    Not even when the “church” capriciously undoes all the “work” they’ve done to date.

    HOW in the hell can this thing continue to exist?

    • Missionary Kid

      Needless to say, I have a great deal of experience with this, since I was raised in a fairly fundamentalist sect, and my oldest sister, after a brief fling with Dianetics in the late 50s, flipped and became an ultra-fundamentalist, which she still is. You are right to see that there are some real similarities.

      1. Realize that when a person gets into one of those groups gets love bombed. They also are kept very busy, both socially and psychologically. They are also usually very dependent on a charismatic preacher, who “gives them the word of god straight.” (I’m an atheist now, and on purpose I do not capitalize god or bible. It;s a reaction to my break away from the tentacles of fundamentalist Christianity).

      2. If you listen closely to their preacher, you will find that their sermons are all emotions. Logic has nothing to do with belief. You cannot argue belief.

      3. Here are some resources for you to study up on. DO NOT TRY TO REASON WITH HIM. They are taking everything on faith, and their faith is based upon what their preacher tells them.
      For your own understanding, a good book to start with is Misquoting Jesus, by Bart Ehrman.
      Here’s a speech by him online. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0zWbL8Uqfw
      Put this in your back pocket, and don’t use it on him unless he brings it up, because, remember that you are a minion of the devil trying to lead him away from the bible as interpreted by his preacher. Thus, whatever you say is automatically evil because you contradict what he BELIEVES. As I said before, you can’t argue belief, but you can discuss some of the facts about the bible.

      4. Realize that every the people that follow along after the founding of a religion spend a lot of time trying to prove that, as a Jewish friend of mine put it, “My imaginary friend is more powerful than your imaginary friend.” What you are dealing with is a person who is convinced that the bible is the immutable, god inspired work of god, and that all subsequent interpretations and copies are guided by god.

      If you want to read an extreme example of someone like that, I stumbled on this, written, probably in the 1950s by a man who considered that Pepperdine College (now University), located in what is now, South Central L.A. was ungodly because they were ecumenical and they allowed advertisements in the paper that mentioned clothes to go dancing, and they were located close to evil, sinful, Hollywood. Hollywood was a good 10 non-freeway, but street car miles away, http://www.wordsfitlyspoken.org/bible_banner/v10/v10n3p9a-13b.html

      5. What you can do is to have him make you a project to be saved. The problem is that he’ll bring in people who are a bit better versed. DO NOT ACCEPT HIS DEFINITIONS. If you do, you’ve lost from the get-go. You don’t have to be obnoxious about it, just don’t accept his definitions.

      6. When a Jehovah’s Witness tries to tell me, “The bible says…” I ask them, “Which bible?” The reason is that at the Council of Nicaea, the Roman Branch of Christianity, under Constantine, decided what would be in the bible. All of the mysticism of the Coptics in North Africa was removed, and they were told to destroy those texts. Monks had spent their lifetime copying their scriptures, and in order to save those texts, they hid them. That’s where the Dead Sea Scrolls came from. You can always hit a fundamentalist with the question, “Are you going to accept the decisions of the Roman church?”

      7. Is the group your nephew Pentecostal, Baptist, or what flavor are they? Usually the weird ones have decided that the rest of the Christian world is wrong, and they have discovered the REAL meaning of the bible. Try to find out where their beliefs come from. Do they believe in predestination? At this point, I’ve forgotten all of the various origins and flavors of sects, but all of their interpretations have been around before.

      8. Find out if they have a disconnection policy. Remember that they believe that only they have the truth, and every other Christian denomination is apostate. That’s how the Westbro Baptist Church operates, and they definitely have a disconnection policy.

      9. Do not attack any of their friends. Above all, treat them with love.

      That’s just off the top of my head. When a person first gets in, they are on fire and obnoxious. It sometimes takes years for them to mellow out and see that a book, written 2+ millenia ago really gets twisted around so it can set rules for modern life. That’s why often you have groups in other religions like the ultra-orthodox Jews, and the Amish.

      • MissCandle

        Excellent post. Excellent advice. Good background information. and mentioning pepperdine…hmmm….we have a lot more in common than I thought. Why do newbies have to be so quiet when they get to heaven? because everyone thinks they are the only one there. Edit: although I have not watched your posted video yet.

        • Missionary Kid

          Thank you. I moved to L.A. IN 1952, and lived there full time until I transferred from UCLA after my freshman year in 1963. After then, I lived there during the summers when I worked in L.A.

          The church my parents were affiliated with is a rather small denomination. It falls between Lutheran and Baptist.

          The video is of Bart Ehrman talking about how the bible was written and translated. It is a scholarly, but interesting video. His book is about much of the same thing, but in addition, it describes his journey from Biola to Wheaton College, in Illinois to the Yale Divinity School, because he wanted to read the original texts. Biola, for all it’s trumpeting of being biblical, and Wheaton didn’t give him what he really wanted: original texts.

          That’s just about the production of the bible. There is also a whole bunch of secular history about Christianity that is never referenced by church people, and little is given to the examination of the different schisms and ideas.that have shaped Christianity.

          One thing that most fundamentalist Christians don’t acknowledge is that what fundamentalists accept as gospel (pun intended) stories that were originally verbal stories passed from one to another before ever being written down.

          Were you raised not to dance, drink, smoke, or chew,

          or go with boys who do?

          • MissCandle

            Of course I was raised that way (can’t you tell?). and my parents’ dream was for me to go to pepperdine or some other church of christ affiliated college. That was before the cult of the international church of christ started infiltrating the original coc’s. Needless to say i ended up at a university that did not require girls to be in their dorm by 10 while boys got to stay out til 11. Also, back then girls couldn’t wear swimsuits without shirts and t-shirts covering them up. girls also had to wear tunic tops over their pants because the crotch is unbecoming. I could tell you much more. But I know you understand and have the same kind of details. i was an elder’s kid, not a missionary kid.

            • Missionary Kid

              The denomination that my parents were missionaries for was definitely not that strict in terms of dress, and the school my father had attended was pretty fundamentalist, but dancing and drinking were the big no-no’s.

              When I was growing up in L.A., my father worked at secular jobs (it’s a long story) until I graduated from high school, then my parents went to Taiwan to resume missionary work. He was still very active in the church and was a deacon. I didn’t face the scrutiny that the Preacher’s Kid did, but I know I was being watched.

              I went off to UCLA. Because I was so ignorant about sex, I actually read the Kinsey report. It didn’t give me much knowledge, but it did give me information. It was an eye-opener for me. It was at that time that I started to go to a Lutheran church. That was a HUGE change for me, and liberating. Those people actually danced and drank (in moderation, of course).

              The part of the service that that really struck a cord with me was the line from the offertory, “Create in me a clean heart, O God, and renew a right spirit within me, Cast me not away from Thy presence” The message of inclusion resonated with me, where what I’d been raised with was of a much more fire and brimstone style.

              Interestingly enough, as a part of the youth group, the pastor’s daughter was later the alcoholic mother who started the whole McMartin Pre-School mess. She died before the trial started. I don’t remember her.

              When I transferred to another school, I pretty much stopped going to church, but one thing that really affected me was that I met a woman who had been raised an atheist and I found that not only were her morals and ethics better than mine and better than 95% of the Christians I knew, and at the time, I knew a lot of them. I only spent an afternoon talking to her, but I realized that Christianity wasn’t necessary for morality, as I’d been taught. That was really my first guidepost along my path to become an atheist myself.

            • Bella Legosi

              Hey your one of your family’s churches is on my paper rout! Pretty snazzy I must say! 😉

              But then again, it is in one of Portland’s upscale neighborhoods. There is a Unitarian, Mormon, and Presbyterian all in this niche of upper middle class wealth!

              All the churches around my neighborhood are all Catholic. But then again, I do live on the outskirts of what used to be Little Italy (damn yuppies and their New Seasons and Vegan Cheese and Wine Bars)!

            • Missionary Kid

              Hey, next time I’m up there, what’s a good Italian restaurant in that area?

            • Bella Legosi

              hmmmmmmm……..The only 2 I can really speak for is DeNicola’s off of 30ish & SE Powell and Mi Famiglia in Oregon City.

              Mi Famiglia is kinda spendy and in Oregon City, but really worth it. They have a real brick oven, which is sorta rare in the Italian resturants I have been to.

              I have also heard Nona Emila’s is really close to the type of Italian cooking my family and I do, but never have been.

            • MissCandle

              Amen! I am most proud of the fact that I raised my daughter to be kind, compassionate, moral and ethical (and not in the S-Lying-Tology way) without the fear of hell and damnation. BTW, Thanks for writing to me, MK.

            • Missionary Kid

              Ultimately, I ended up in the Unitarian Universalist Church. It took me months to realize that there wasn’t any dogma, but that it was a place where people with common ethical concerns got together.

              There are people there who are atheists, agnostics, believers in god, and believers in Jesus – just not the conventional way. You take responsibility for your own beliefs.

              That, of course, was anathema to my dad. He died 18 years ago, and practically on his deathbed, he was trying to save me.

              Now, I rarely go to church, but if I go, that’s where I do.

      • claybonnyman

        Thank you for all your carefully thought-out Missionary positions, Kid. Seriously. A lot here for me to think about in dealing with my nephew. Especially the need to not try logic on him, a recipe for frustration and failure.

        Much of what you say I am familiar with — Christian history (Nicaea, “lost” gospels, and especially Erhman, who is an invaluable resource). I spent most of my life identifying as Christian (specifically, Catholic) and while my brain *always* rebelled (Are you sure? This story doesn’t really make sense to me….) it’s only in the last 10 years or so that I have grown more comfortable looking people in the eye and saying, “I’m not a Christian.”

        I don’t believe belief is volitional. Pascal was a fool and one’s brain believes — or doesn’t — what it does, independent of self-will. In the case of Xtianity, the root proposition has always been at odds with my brain: An all-powerful, all-good, all-knowing entity, the creator of *everything*, incarnates to save humanity from a “sin” committed by the first humans the god created…. sorry.

        In addition, in recent years I’ve come to believe that, if you’re going to have an all-powerful, all-knowing god, the Muslims (generally) have it right: you must simply submit, because the god cannot also be all-good and you damned well better show some obeisance or you are doomed. Meanwhile, the poor Christians must tie themselves into every tighter and more convoluted theological knots explaining how their god can be simultaneously omnibenevolent, omniscient and omnipotent.

        What am I? My heart is a natural atheist, yet I can accept a sort of “universal” higher power that is not personal or interactive with the universe. Sometime I think of it simply as awareness and paying attention to what experience has to teach and what choices I am presented with.

        Would you agree that Scientology operates in at least somewhat the same way as many Xtian fundamentalist sects? I have no experience with “C”o$ personally, though have followed it and read about it for well more than a decade. So I’m just curious about the opinion of someone with experience in both.

        Thank you again, Kid.

        • Missionary Kid

          I have no direct experience with Co$. I’ve never been “in.” My oldest sister, 7 years older than me, got involved in the late 50s with Dianetics. She flipped out of it and returned to Christianity with a vengence because, I believe, of guilt, and has since been involved in all sorts of ultra-fundamentalist groups. It’s all emotion.

          The mindset is something I understand, because I see them as very similar. Co$ and various groups tend to be all-enveloping. They redefine everything according to their world view, so that from the beginning, one can’t reason with them if you accept their definitions.

          $cientologists base their belief system on the brain droppings of LRH, who claimed expertise in many fields, but really only had one: conning people. The bible was written over two millenia ago, and has been translated and reinterpreted to fit beliefs, especially since the time that emphasis has been on individual reading and interpretation, and not just clergy. Both have convinced themselves that they’re the only ones who know truth.

          I am an atheist, but I concede that there may be some big being controlling everything. I believe not. My attitude is that you can believe anything you want, but you can’t force someone else to follow or listen to your beliefs or harm someone else. If you do, I’ll fight you.

          You really can’t force someone to stop their belief in something, but you can try to get them to look at the alternatives. The only “force” you can use is to get them to listen to you out of a personal relationship. If they refuse, you have to let them go.

          I would suggest that you approach your nephew by asking questions and not making any statements. Find out what this group is all about. Find out if they have an equivalent of a disconnection policy. As much as you might be revolted about what you hear, do not react. Just keep asking friendly questions.

  • BuryTheNuts2

    Who is Jessica White?

    • Espiando

      Exactly. I’ve never heard of her before this. I’m not totally ignorant of supermodels, but she’s not one that pings the radar. Am I old and out of touch, or has the word “celebrity” been that devalued?

      I can take some comfort, and mourning, over the fact that I had a Trio Of Celebrities That Meant Something To Me Deaths yesterday: Bobby “Blue” Bland, Richard Matheson, and Mick Aston.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      sports illustrated model

      • BuryTheNuts2

        Are there any models left who aren’t of the super persuasion?
        Does anyone say: I am a model!

        • Missionary Kid

          It’s all a part of word inflation, described and made fun of by Victor Borge years ago.

        • ze moo

          Yes, BTN, there are ‘normal’ models. But you only see their pictures in fashion layouts for walmart and target. I think the dividing lines starts somewhere between Sears or Macy’s and Victoria’s Secret.

        • Right Said Fred?

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Well, I’m a model. I’m just not saying of what..

          • Robert Eckert

            I’m a submodel

    • Captain Howdy

      Actually, she has quite the resume modeling wise. I’m sure her and her handlers just saw “Celebrity Center” and thought “ooh, if people see a photo of Jessica walking into something called “The Celebrity Center”, they will think she’s a celebrity”.

      I’m betting they know squat about scientology.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jessica_White

    • Someone who realized “Scientology” is something gossip rags report on all the time, so if she wanted a bigger name, she should link herself with Scientology somehow?

      • Missionary Kid

        Maybe they loaded her into the limo out of the short bus.

  • whingeybingey

    Thanks Jessica for reinforcing the ‘models are dumb’ stereotype.

    • Missionary Kid

      That deserves the sarcasm font: {Thanks Jessica for reinforcing the ‘models are dumb’ stereotype.}
      I agree.

  • sheepleroom

    I’m not really sure why she doesn’t understand the use of exteriorization. It’s a basic mind control technique; you take the victim and you separate them from themselves on a systematic level. It’s pretty basic. Having to redo them every once in a while is vital to keep the victim in their suggestive state when necessary.

    • Missionary Kid

      I think that she just isn’t as suggestible, because she grew up in it.

      • I don’t know of any studies that have been done on out of body experiences linking hypnosis, but I know many people simply cannot be hypnotized. Hypnotically-induced OBEs are likely similar.

        • Missionary Kid

          I’ve had out of body experiences while being hypnotized, going into or out of consciousness with anesthesia, extremely low blood sugar, and pulling Gs in a centrifuge

          • I had one while waking up from anesthesia when I was 5 or 6. It was neither pleasant nor unpleasant, and I knew the whole time it was due to the drugs and things would be back to normal soon.

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            what do you think those contraptions (or at least the computer designs of a contration) for the Super Power are all about?

            • Missionary Kid

              I have no idea. {If they’re based upon the fantastic physiological and physics of the big Ron, they’re sure to work} – sarcasm font.

              As a matter of fact, they’re probably damaging to the human body, if not psyche

        • Missionary Kid

          The mind is an amazing thing. The placebo effect is very strong.

          I maintain that the “displacement” that takes place is the mind trying to make sense out of what is happening. The brain doesn’t shut down totally during anesthesia and when losing consciousness.

          The light at the end of the tunnel as well as a dreamlike state is what I experienced when blacking out in a centrifuge as well as with hypoxia when in an altitude chamber.

          I have used childbirth relaxation techniques when having dentistry done without xylocaine that I learned from my wife’s childbirth classes. I in essence placed my mind in another place. I figure if a woman can use that to help that pain, I can use it, too. It helped, and I didn’t have a paralyzed mouth or sore gums afterwards.

          BTW, I’m no fucking guru.

      • sheepleroom

        i understand why you’re saying but the fact is, seeing as she was raised in Scientology, she’s never known anything else but being suggestible. She saw the light but that doesn’t mean that it didn’t work on her. Let’s just hope she doesn’t decide to practice Scientology on the outside thinking that she’s found a way to buck the system; it’s a cult in any forum and the techniques that are used either by the church or by people outside the church are dangerous and detrimental.

        • Missionary Kid

          “…she was raised in Scientology, she’s never known anything else but being suggestible.”

          Are you saying that everyone raised in the environment is automatically capable of exterioriztion because they are suggestible? I beg to differ.

          It is true that living out in the rest of the world opened up Claire’s eyes, but, as she said, she went along at the point where she was told that she would experience it, but never had the experience.

          Why the hell would Claire want to practice $cientology outside of the {church}? It’s not magic. It has no extra power. As a matter of fact, because it is so controlling, and mind restricting, she has rejected it. She has discovered freedom, and doesn’t want the mind control involved with the loony practice. That’s why she’s here.

  • Still_On_Your_Side

    If the CoS can pay $2 million to ensnare Farrakhan, and can pay models to appear in its ads and films, why can’t the CoS order up a Sports Illustrated model to get some publicity?

  • Still_On_Your_Side

    Ordering all OTs to redo their objectives in order to determine if they are truly OT, because OTs are leaving the church en mass, is either the stupidest or smartest thing Miscavige has done so far. “Stupid” because it says “I David Miscavige have failed completely in implementing Hubbard’s theology, and therefore no one in the Church can rely on anything I have done to date.” “Smart” (for Miscavige only) because it says, “I, David Miscavige want to drive the last thinking person out of the Church so I have an army of automatons to carry out my wishes.”

    • stateofcircle

      Your second reason is the one I always thought to be true. Weed out the potential thinkers now instead of spending god knows what when they inevitably get fed up and leave, plus he’s making money off of them while they figure it out. Then all that’s left are ride-or-die Scienos he can manipulate. It is very Ministry of Truth-esque.

  • JonathanRoberts

    At first as I read Tony’s article I did a double take. Wait a minute Tony is confused and repeating a story. Then I thought no, he is to much of a professional for that to happen.

    I thought I was a little bit up on the subject matter of scientolgy thanks to the Bunker among other writings. Yet I’ve been given another lesson, it is always great to learn. My impression is scientology just wants to reinforce the already introduced brainwashing techniques and that is why they repeat this insanity that and more $$$.

    As for Claire not getting exteriorization let me give my take on it. To me exteriorization is just another word for Astral Projection. This I have experienced as I studied Eastern philosophies & meditation quite comprehensively still do.

    Astral Projection helped me to understand the concept of Zen-No-Mind which to me was a difficult subject. The part of Leaving the Body helped me to realize the vastness of the spirit. To experience flight while
    never moving gliding through the air as the wind whipped by my ears. Soaring, gliding, diving down from the sky it is a wonderful experience.

    Also in meditation part of the exercise is to clear the mind. We are always thinking either of the past or the future. What to do next or how we should have handled an event in the past or how to correct for it etc.

    To “Come up to Present Time” my feeling on that statement is to just clear the mind. No thought of the past nor the future no thought at all just being in a moment of time. That to me is meditation I’ve studied Kundalini for decades great beauty,peace and serenity can be found in these fleeting periods of no thoughts.

    However for me these experiences are free I’ve bought a few paperbacks on Eastern teachings and taken the time to learn some techniques. It’s a beautiful concept, quite a great feeling to experience for anyone I would think.

    The pathology & plagiarism of scientology is truly sickening & utterly diabolical. Maybe in the beginning, in the recesses of Hubbard’s diseased egotistical mind he thought he was helping. However he continued to deteriorate mentally I’m sure the excessive drug intake coupled with the alcohol didn’t help matters.

    Taking these people’s hopes, dreams and aspirations and injecting with Hubbard’s deluded mind is disgusting destroying human beings just for money & power.

    Thank you Tony I hope maybe a word or two of my rant made a
    little bit of sense.

    • Claude

      My take on it is this. Some people have “out of body experiences” and if it is pleasant and somewhat controlled, it might end up being called “astral projection.” I don’t believe these experiences are real (rather than imagined), but to each their own.

      However, the “exteriorization” phenomenon is documented in association with many psychiatric disorders, such as PTSD and dissociative disorder. It is a well known response to extreme stress. It can also be triggered by staring at a video feed coming from a camera placed behind you focused on your head.

      I think what the scientologists sometimes experience is a dissociative response to the extreme mental stress of the unconsented abreaction therapy and hypnosis Hubbard designed to enslave minds. It’s pathologic, and nothing to be sought after or desired.

      • JonathanRoberts

        I agree 100% that hubbard/scientology is horrid and takes advantage of those that follow it’s teachings/drivel. It is not a religion more so a long con which destroys the human spirit the rantings are an unworkable abomination.

        Eastern teachings, meditation and philosophies to me are a worthwhile endeavor as well as Astral projection (it is quite rare). I am free to ponder read and experience the life or Tao (path) that I choose without being subjected to some criminal organizations mind control techniques.

        My writing above was only my attempt to place some type of context to scientology’s twisted use of terms as well as my philosophical opinion on some words.

        The sooner this plaque ceases to exist the better for all.

        • Captain Howdy

          I’m the hardcore skeptic, debunker, materialist type, but I still enjoyed your comments.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        You got it. I would add there are physiological causes as well, and those are not to be sought after or desired either.

        In scientology, the patients pay the master to create the phenomenon.
        In the real world, patients pay the doctors to make it stop.

      • And I don’t rent cars!

        Sometime I wish we could upvote some posts twice.

        The same phenomena is induced by brain surgeons prodding certain areas of the brain with a probe (I forget the name of the part of the brain – but it is close to the area where the “God Experience” is located).

        My thoughts are, on this one issue, that for those who have “exteriorized” through {$ci tech} or have the natural ability since the awareness of their own consciousness as children, those who experienced “astral projection” through meditation, those who have had near death experiences on the operating table, in severe body trauma, or in a dying body and brain, and even to those who had 60’s/70’s era experiences *cough, cough* through drugs, if it is pleasant – controlled or not – and opens up one’s ideas, imagination, potentially gives a sense of meaning and/or interpretation to one’s human condition, my reaction is, “Hey, have fun.”
        As long as it remains voluntary and self exploratory, does not have a negative impact on one’s life, one’s family and friends, one’s community => nation, and doesn’t empty your bank account to the detriment of any or all of the above, then go for it – but don’t forget to return and give us a full report. That’s all.

        The problem in this case is that it is a phenomena that seems to be a mandatory criteria for progression on LRH’s Bridge to Nowhere (or Bridge over the River Why.Too bad LRH was not forced to commit seppuku before itself completion), and the end phenomena of it all is the destruction of individuals (literally and figuratively) and destruction of families, with an oftentimes destructive impact on the communities in which they live, right through the nation with the f****g IRS tax exemption and calling this a goddamn church!

    • DodoTheLaser

      “To “Come up to Present Time” my feeling on that statement is to just clear the mind.”

      Well said. Interesting post. Thank you Jonathan!

  • aquaclara

    Following our courses in Scilonology, we’ve spent $10, 697 so far, and our brainwashing is in full swing. How long would this have taken us to get here?
    And along the way, what else would we have been exposed to? fundraisers, pleas to join staff? books to buy?

  • And I don’t rent cars!

    It ‘s a staged shot in NYC and at a Celebrity Center so three thoughts came to mind:

    1.Wonder if there’s a NOI or sports figure whale involved – being baited or already in the net. They provided the same service for TC in trying to find him a new wife.

    2. Or she’s simply the start of a new lineup of “celebrity” mannequins to be displayed as PR to attract new NOI members.

    3. If this CC is run down, then she is part of a scheme to get a NOI whale(s) to donate for a new, lavishly appointed and renovated Center. (Just like what happened when TC complained the CC was not up to standards to attract big celebrities, i.e., Spielberg, etc.)

    • Phil McKraken

      Here’s what I think is happening with that model in the picture:

      Remember first that it’s the Daily Mail, so whatever appears in their pages is more than likely to be 180° from reality. I think she was wandering Manhattan with a camera crew, shooting faux candids in the city streetscapes, and the photographer said, “Hey, pose like you’re going into that Scientology joint. It’ll be hilarious.”

      • And I don’t rent cars!

        Ha! The most simple explanation, speculation, or theory is usually bang on. I think you are right! It sure makes sense to me.
        Phew… a weight has been lifted.

    • stateofcircle

      I agree with your theory. I also would say that the Sciloons PR hired her, and this is not the last picture of Jessica White doing something Scientological that we will see. They probably offered her a boatload of cash. From everything I’ve read about her, she is Naomi Campbell lite and as such has an infamous snotty attitude. Since magazine covers for models are harder and harder to come by these days because of the ever growing trend of celebrity covers, and the fact that the next round of fashion weeks don’t start up again until September, the money was probably just too good to turn down. NYC rent and Louboutin’s are very expensive.

      • And I don’t rent cars!

        O-o-o-h, SOC! You make a great point. I hadn’t thought of the angle of the long period before the next round of fashion week(s), the death of magazine covers for models these days, and needing money to keep herself in the lifestyle she wants to become accustomed to. She wouldn’t have a way to get her name in the press much until Fall!
        Like many others here, my first reaction was, “Jessica Who?” So she must be aware that, outside of fashion circles, she hasn’t become a “celebrity” yet and the public wouldn’t be referring to her as simply “Jessica” like we would Naomi, Madonna, Katie, etc. The Co$ probably banked on it and offered her a ton of cash – maybe literally. I like it. A lot. Thanks!

  • allioops

    So, yes I was already given the “R” actor about being no longer clear, at least three times. Such a fun place to be. It all stinks on ICE.

  • danlocke

    I am not a big fan of the Church, but I LOVED my objectives auditing. I did them in a co-audit course called the Hubbard Qualified Scientologist course. 1973. Cost was $100. Now it is available in co-audits at Churches I think for $400 for co-audits for preclears.

    I co-audited about 50 hours both ways. Before I did the objectives I would not talk much as I had a tendency to stutter. I was very tense and uncertain of my self. Then, somewhere in the objectives all the stuff that seemed to be holding me back just fell away. Felt like I came out of a cocoon. I just felt GREAT. I don’t think I “exteriorized”… I certainly did extrovert.

    Before my objectives, I had lots and lots of doubts about Scientology, even though I had already read lots of the books and had been involved off and on for years at the time. But the objectives got me excited about living and excited about Scientology.

    Here it is being ridiculed and that’s okay with me. No objections to that. Just consider though, that for many, these processes have been helpful and it might be of benefit to look at them with a more analytic regard. Ron used to say that Scn could work on anyone. Maybe. But, empirically, that is not so. Same with the objectives. I have seen a percentage who thought they were not helpful. But most I know thought they were of great benefit.

    I also remember later attempts to get me to run them again, and I did so, over some protest, and I did not feel that they benefited me again.

    And, believe it or not, Tony, you’re right! You really can’t get too much havingness!

    In re: the CC in NY. It’s on 82nd. Inside it is small. There’s room for about 50 people to be on course and a half dozen places to audit with any privacy. But on 82nd St, it is in a beautiful location. Absolutely one of the best areas of Manhattan, just a block or so away from the Metropolitan Museum of Modern Art. I have not been there since the mid 80’s, but inside it was a nice building: a little worn from so many people for so long, but still beautiful, with chandeliers and beautiful curtains. The staff there VERY sincere and friendly. And the public were charming. It was brimming over with creative people there.

    Years after they moved in to the place someone researched the building and found that one of the first “official” Dianetics centers of the early ’50s had been in that same building. No one new about it when they bought the place in the early 80’s.

    By the way, it is interesting to note that they bought the place at a time of a real estate ebb in prices for, as I recall, a little over a million. There was no big drive to get money to do this. I am pretty sure they bought it with money they had accumulated in reserves from payments for services.

    At that time I had visited all but one or two of the orgs in the US. (I was a touring registrar much of my SO career.) No other building was so luxuriously appointed as CCNY. All the other orgs were full of mismatched chairs and in make-do buildings. This was in the days before the IAS became so ubiquitous and book promotions. Much of the money actually spent was still being spent on services there.

    Tony, if you visit local NY-Scientology again, visit the CC. I have a hunch they’re more likely than most places in the corporate Scientology world to treat new people coming in with some dignity and respect.

    • Espiando

      For centuries, exsanguination and purgatives were helpful to many people, as well as the treatment of choice for many ailments. Today, teenage girls who cut and/or suffer from bulimia say they feel better after doing it. That doesn’t mean that those activities provide a benefit.

      Frankly, I’d rather cut myself and puke my guts out than yell at ashtrays and finger-pleasure walls. It’s also cheaper.

    • Robert Eckert

      “Tony, you’re right! You really can’t get too much havingness!” Not on $40 a week you sure can’t!

    • sizzle8

      Uh oh – now you’ve done it! You said that something in Scientology helped you. Prepare for a trip to the Comments EO. Violating KSW – Keeping Scientology Worthless is no light matter,. You’ll need a program to get point 7 in – ” Hammering out of existence incorrect comments”.

      • danlocke

        I will be working on my amends project now. I’ll come to you for my first signature in my liability formula.

        • sizzle8

          Your amends project is to have a cold Pilsener!

          • Espiando

            But just to make it hard, he has to go to Pilsen to get it. Check that passport and book that flight to Prague, Dan!

            • Robert Eckert

              He can exteriorize to the Czech Republic and postulate the beer.

            • danlocke

              Living in Ecuador now. Easy for me to do as you suggest in that the number 1 beer made here is called just that: Pilsener. I don’t drink beer very often, but when I do, it’s Pilsener.

      • Captain Howdy

        Nobody has voted Dan’s comment down, unlike some indie who voted down a response to it.

        • danlocke

          I like “Tony’s place” and certainly don’t mind that people don’t stand up and applaud every time I say that I liked my auditing. It’s fine with me. I don’t expect that here. Most people here give very well thought out and intelligent responses and it’s understandable that some don’t appreciate that there a few ponies amongst the horse shit. I am just reading sizzle8s comments in discus and he and I appear to have a similar point of view on the subject, so he is fun to read. But you and so many here have clearly got some brains as well as balance and it’s a pleasure to hang out.

          The C of S and its spokespeople would be given a new measure of respect if it would not behave as if it was being tortured at every criticism and wasn’t so quick to look at with disdain its detractors. With that mindset, they really need a sympathetic mother to run home to. But, look who they have instead!

          • Espiando

            Well, they do have a mother to come home to. The problem is that they keep forgetting to add the “fucker” part to the end of “mother”.

        • I’m not sure it’s an indie. Someone has been downvoting comments I make anywhere with disquis seemingly at random. There’s a downvote on every seventh comment I make or so, no matter the content of said comment.

    • BosonStark

      Money spent on services was profit adding to Hubbard’s “suitcases of cash.” Why spend money on nicer buildings when people were eager to learn “secrets” and become super human?

      Today, people aren’t clamoring for rule-the-world pseudoscience written in 1950s by a lying loon like Hubbard, so Miscavige has no alternative but to try to make the buildings look nicer. And if it is true that Miscavige also listened to Tom Cruise on that, which it very well could be, then he has to follow through. Tom Cruise walking out the door could cause a serious collapse of Scientology’s income. Tom Cruise must be pleased, protected and catered to at all costs.

      • Captain Howdy

        The only thing standing between CofS being viewed in the same light as FLDS, Peoples Temple or Branch Davidians by the general public is Tom Cruise and the rest of the celebs.

        • ze moo

          I don’t think the general public sees Cruise or any CO$ celebutard as a ‘credit’ to Lron. Having Kirstie {doughnut engram} Ally and John {touch me, touch me} Travolta doesn’t do them any great service either. Cruises staged and coached couch jumping was just goofy. His attack on Brooke Shields really hurt his box office numbers. His ‘only scieno’s can help at car accidents’ video did nothing but harm. The clam attempts to remove the video started 4chan. Everything the cult does in public has become a foot bullet. Hitching your pr to a spoiled, self-centered actor is seldom a recipe for success, you live and die by actors foibles and stunts.

          At least none of the scino celebutards are known child molesters. They leave that to the org staff and sea arrrrgh, easier to hide that way.

          That said, Davey lives in fear of a very public knockdown involving his celebutards. Jason Beghe did a lot of damage on his own. Think what TC and JT could do if they were pissed off?

          • Captain Howdy

            I’ll be really interested to see if “Escaping Evil: My Life In A Cult” touches scientology. I’m doubtful.

            • stateofcircle

              Wasn’t there one on Nancy Many? Or was that a different show?

            • Captain Howdy

              Different show.

          • Missionary Kid

            “Think what TC and JT could do if they were pissed off?”
            In cold war terms, it’s Mutually Assured Destruction – MAD.

          • dbloch7986

            The Celebs may not lend credibility, but they certainly temper the onslaught of bad publicity. In addition, they probably also temper the judgement passed by law enforcement and the general public against the cult.

    • Feeling that it helped you is the placebo effect. That something is a placebo doesn’t mean it’s not helpful, especially when it comes to psychological effects. However, I would be willing to bet you’d have gotten way more help from a counselor or group therapy or even joining a community theatre. And you wouldn’t have had all the negatives that come with belonging to a pseudoscientific, abusive, money-grubbing cult.

    • Bob

      Dan, thanks for the info on CCNY. Also thanks for telling the positive not just the negative. I appreciate the fact that this blog has commenters who speak their minds honestly from their experiences. I do not try to analyze them. Scientology does have some knowledge and practices that are helpful. Put as the church is today, it is far to toxic to be useful. It is so geared towards exploitation and life depleting policies it negates any of its positive attributes. But certainly there are past positive experiences. They are no less true just because of the extreme vampire activities of the church now. Please continue to post.

      • danlocke

        Ok, Bob!
        Thanks for the hello!

  • Sherbet

    Never mind the Celeb Center; if Ms. White falls off her 7″ heels, I’ll bet there are quite a few men here in the Bunker who gladly would offer touch assist, scientologists or not! AMIRIGHT, guys?

    • Captain Howdy

      You’re a dirty birdy.

      • Sherbet

        I know you guys and your Sports Illustrated supermodels…

        • PreferToBeAnon2

          Uhoh, I hope she isn’t on JohnP’s string of models

          • Sherbet

            If she is, then maybe John P has her working undercover.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Too easy!

            • Sherbet

              I know! I was wondering if anyone would pick up on it…

        • 1subgenius

          I don’t know what the point of soft core porn is.

          • Sandy

            That is SO funny to me!!! I think soft core porn was for men like my Dad – Lutheran men in Minnesota who hid their “Saga” magazines and told my boyfriend in 12th grade that condoms were called “French Letters”. LOL!!!!!

  • N. Graham

    I wonder who hangs out at the New York Celebrity Centre?

    • Sherbet

      Maybe they should change the name to Pseudo-Celebrity Centre. That goes for LA, too. Who the heck is famous there, except for JT and TC, and we don’t know if they really visit anymore.

      • N. Graham

        Agreed. Upon doing a little Internet research, I was reminded that there is a Celebrity Centre in Dallas. I was inspired to call a few years ago and ask who was famous that hung out there. They hemmed and hawed and managed to mention some local poet and that Dallas Cowboys had once visited or something like that.

        In fact, I guess there are many more than I thought! There is:
        Church of Scientology Celebrity Centre of New York, Church of Scientology Celebrity Centre of Nashville, Church of Scientology Celebrity Centre of Duesseldorf, Church of Scientology Celebrity Centre of Portland, Church of Scientology Celebrity Centre of Vienna, Church of Scientology Celebrity Centre of Las Vegas, Church of Scientology Celebrity Centre of Dallas, Church of Scientology Celebrity Centre of Firenze, Church of Scientology Celebrity Centre of Paris, Church of Scientology Celebrity Centre of London, and of course, Hollywood.

        Wow! That’s a lot of celebrities! I wonder if we can get one here in Detroit!

        • Sherbet

          Wow, is right! I think it’s a safe bet that the Pope doesn’t drop by the Firenze CC.

          (I’m no Tigers fan — after what they did to the Red Sox last weekend — but leave Prince Fielder alone. God knows what a purif and any accompanying scn meddling would do to his game.)

          • Captain Howdy

            Prince could stand to sweat off a few pounds. When they walked Cabrera to pitch to Fielder, I said to my buddy ” This fat f**K won’t get shit”. Of course he got a hit.

            • Sherbet

              Oh, so it was YOUR fault.

            • Robert Eckert

              Years ago I was watching baseball with a friend and our team was nursing a one-run lead in the ninth inning, but there were two runners on with only one out, so it was looking iffy. I said “He just has to pitch a low ball that will be grounded to short for a double play” and he pitched low, the batter hit a ground ball, shortstop scooped it up, bang-bang, game over. My friend looked at me very oddly.

            • Sherbet

              OT abilities?

            • 1subgenius

              I wonder why he looked at you oddly. Its not that uncommon of an occurrence.

            • Robert Eckert

              It seemed perfectly normal to me. Obviously the double-play ball was what he should go for. The only slightly rare things were that I articulated it, right before he succeeded.

            • Captain Howdy

              That’s what my buddy said. He’s another superstitious New England sports fan. I’m sure he’s blaming me for the B’s choking, even though I wasn’t there. He thinks I have powers of negativity. lol

            • Kim O’Brien

              that loss was like a huge karate kick to the junk …and i don’t have junk

            • Captain Howdy

              I don’t follow hockey that much, but after watching Saturday’s game I knew they were going to lose. The Blackhawks are a much faster team.

            • ze moo

              Bobby Hull must be proud. A nice series for a very short season.

            • Captain Howdy

              Yes indeed.

            • dbloch7986

              That was really sad, about the FLDS.

            • Espiando

              Derek: The only place worse for you than Scientology might have been FLDS. The pressure on you to deny who you were would have been even more horrible, given what all {right-thinking} Mormons believe about Teh Gheys. If Scientology almost drove you to suicide, there would have been nothing keeping you from going over the edge in FLDS.

            • dbloch7986

              I can’t even imagine. That place sounded horrible. It was hard enough for me to watch the Jonestown massacre. Especially knowing that as the core of hardcore Scientologists grows smaller and smaller they will approach critical mass. I wouldn’t put it past them to pull some bullshit like that.

            • stateofcircle

              I’ve always wondered about Scientology doing something like that. The scenario that I also find familiar is the Heaven’s Gate tragedy, à la the whole space opera reasoning. Because Scientologists believe that they can just “drop their body”, and their entire self and life force is an immortal thetan that can go anywhere and do anything once they’ve attained OT super powerness, I don’t find impossible the potential for a few hardcore Sciloons committing suicide in the belief that they will completely move on to be with L Ron on Target Two. Obviously I hope to God that never happens, but it’s something I always thought about.

            • Captain Howdy

              It was horrifying. And I thought I couldn’t be shocked anymore.

            • Espiando

              Let me assure you that everything around here is very theta today thanks to those magical seventeen seconds. The entire city is walking around with a smile.

            • Sherbet

              As long as you’re happy, Espi… I’m looking at an office full of mopey people today.

            • 1subgenius

              17 seconds. Fantastic. Helluva series.
              I favored Chicago because its closer to Detroit. Anytime I’m in Chicago everyone looks familiar. Similar ethnic mix.
              And they have a street with my surname on it. I freaked when I drove by. Hope I can find the pic of the sign.

            • Espiando

              The only problem with the greatest city on Earth or Marcab is that it doesn’t have a Dobbs Street or Stang Avenue.

            • 1subgenius

              But there are lots of Dobbs who live there.
              Bob was busy.

            • aquaclara

              I think I might have found it. One of these, by any chance????
              🙂

            • Robert Eckert

              A friend who’d lived in Chicago explained the nature of the town: Suppose you get on a crowded bus and need to squeeze in to the last available next to an overweight woman. In another city you would say “Excuse me” and sit down. In Chicago you say “Move over, ya lardass!” To which the proper reply is “AAAEEEEEHH, blow it outcher ear!”

            • Espiando

              Which does tend to explain this Chicago-born, Chicago-bred, Chicago-resident person, doesn’t it, Robert?

            • Robert Eckert

              Indeed. Chicagoans were that way before it was cool!

            • stateofcircle

              LET’S GO PENS! LET’S GO PENS! LET’S GO PENS!

              I hate Boston and all they stand for.
              Chicago can suck it too.

            • Captain Howdy

              The Penguins? The B’s mopped the floor with those clowns. “best team in hockey”..pfffft!

            • stateofcircle

              Pfffft yourself, Cap! The Bruins are evil and dirty, and clearly they are controlled by some evil satanic magik which they have all sold their souls to obtain. They are probably a part of the Marcab Confederacy.

            • Sherbet

              Oh, jeez, stateo’ — couldn’t you wait a couple of days at least before slamming the B’s? Anyway, I don’t think the Marcab Confederacy owns a Zamboni.

            • 1subgenius

              And he can run.

            • Robert Eckert

              More of a waddle.

            • 1subgenius

              No, you’re thinking of Mother Waddles.

        • 1subgenius

          Detroit. So let’s do a raid sometime.

        • MissCandle

          Regarding Tony’s more recent post on S-Lying-Tology’s document filing with Justice Kennedy, maybe when he’s in Salzburg he can trek on over to the Celebrity Centre in Vienna and check it out before making his decision. Or…he can read this blog.

    • 1subgenius

      If its only for celebrities, why the “Free Film Inside” sign?
      hehe
      Yeah, passing celebrities will want to do that.

  • Kim O’Brien

    OK …these stories i can handle …shit …after Captain Howdy ( love you ) wrote about the cult show yesterday in the comments …i had to sleep with an ice pack on my face from crying so hard 😉 Now …if some stupid cotton ball eating super model that i have never heard of wants to think there are alien souls attached to her boney ass …THAT makes me laugh

    • Captain Howdy

      Sorry Kim, but it’s something people need to know about. We can’t afford to ignore the horrors of this world. Someone has to bear witness to these atrocities, whether it be Iraqi beheading videos or FLDS child abuse.

      • Kim O’Brien

        no worries …i am just raw when it comes to the kids ..but you are totally right in posting it . I will just keep ice packs stocked in my freezer .

        • L. Wrong Hubturd

          Glad you’re back!

      • stillgrace

        That was a terrifying ride you sent me on yesterday! However, I am glad that I now know the truth about FLDS. Warren Jeffs is now in prison FOR-EV-UH, and more people are aware of these abuses, thanks to this series. They are breaking civil and moral laws aplenty.

        • Captain Howdy

          Pilot episode of “Escaping Evil: My Life In A Cult”.

          Somebody needs to talk to the musical director though.

          http://youtu.be/4qh_8RxBllw

          • stillgrace

            I watched that one yesterday … evil, evil dude. He’s eligible for parole when he hits 100 years of age.

            • Captain Howdy

              It’s more than Warren Jeffs. That crazy broad from the Free Love Ministries made me think of the Oracle.

            • stillgrace

              I know!!! some serious craziness there! The two annoying leaders are still out in the public somewhere. They owe her 1.2 million $’s, they trashed their real estate holdings so she couldn’t attach.

          • Sandy

            Cap’t, on the 1st episode (yesterday), I could only find Part 1. Is that all that is available? (and I know Google is my friend, but he is not helping …)

        • stateofcircle

          Apparently he’s still running the cult from prison. I’ve watched a few docs about the boys they kick out (I think they call them “lost boys”, or maybe that’s the name of one of the docs, I don’t remember) and it is strikingly similar, if not identical, to Sciloontology’s disconnection policy. These poor kids are left out on the streets to fend for themselves with little to no education or social skills, shunned by their families and forbidden to return. At least with Scientology, a person at least has a chance to get back in with A-E and all that jazz – not that any of it is acceptable in any way whatsoever. These kids can never return. And also just like Sci, the FLDS cult has people follow these kids, as well as following media and any strangers that venture into their area. Vice recently did a little piece on it which showed these boys and the creepos that followed them around.

          I’m not a mother yet, but I could never imagine cutting my child loose and never speaking to them again, shunning them and believing they’re evil or not worthy. First of all, if I’m going to go through carrying that motherfucker in my body for 9 months, letting him/her kick and punch me from the inside, eat half my food, and make me all swollen, fat and sore, then squeezing him/her out of there through the most mind bogglingly small route, that kid is sticking by my side for a loooooooooooooong time. (Sorry to be so explicit, I was hoping it would lighten to mood of my post and cause a chuckle). I wish someone could get one of the still-in FLDS mothers on camera and/or interviewed in order to understand how they feel about it and what, if anything, they have tried to do about it. I’m not super familiar with the FLDS…I wonder if they have a critic community complete with their own version of Tony and the Bunker.

          I know it’s been said time and time again, but religion should be about love and family. It’s adherents should strive to live a life of good and truth, helping their fellow man serving their God or whatever they pray to through kindness, selflessness, truth and love. I don’t know the truth about God or Gods or the existence of faith, but I don’t believe that ANY God or Gods or faith, if they are true, want a world devoid of love, loyalty, family and kindness. The basic premise of most religions is to serve God, or whatever higher power is prayed to, and policies like these are the exact opposite of serving God. It’s only serving one’s self.

          • stillgrace

            I heard that it is suspected that he may be in contact with the FLDS while incarcerated. Well, at least his dick is in prison. He can’t phone that in.

            • MissCandle

              I wonder if he uses his one phone call a day to whisper sweet nothings to his 13 year old wife?

          • MissCandle

            Many years ago I left the fundamentalist christian church I was raised in and, even though I am going straight to hell, my parents did not “dis-fellowship” from me. They do pray for me every day, however.

    • ze moo

      The ‘story’ of the SI swimsuit model has spread to the New York Post.

      http://www.nypost.com/p/pagesix/newest_recruit_P2zzBvit0pZwmnghk2czoK?utm_medium=rss&utm_content=%20%20%20%20%20%20Page%20Six

      As yet, no cute cat videos have driven this story to ether.

      • Missionary Kid

        I sense a PR flack. Either from her or Co$.

        • aquaclara

          The PR firm FINALLY got a story to bite besides the old news of Tom Cruise with a female bartender, fake TC “seen” with Suri, etc. She was dropped off their (no walking a mile in those shoes), a photog was conveniently positioned right there, and ah ha, she’s “interested” in learning more.
          I wonder how much the model earned from this gig.

          • Missionary Kid

            Being associated with Co$ won’t do her career much good these days.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              It won’t do much for her looks either. The Scientology Super Model “Look” is acquired and you have to work long, hard and nasty to get it.

              [IMG]http://i43.tinypic.com/2uz5eg3.jpg[/IMG]

            • Missionary Kid

              Kirstie, “wide glide” leads the pack.

      • stillgrace

        I’m no fashionista, but I don’t think the pink lipstick works for her.

      • sugarplumfairy

        “..she has been increasingly curious” about scientology.. Lol.. But apparently not curious enough to get online and do her homework.. My apologies if she’s illiterate..

        • MissCandle

          Maybe she’s auditioning for Mrs Cruise IV

    • Missionary Kid

      Glad you’re better. Welcome back.

  • Sherbet

    Every time I read a Claire Headley contribution, I’m amazed at her intelligence, memory, and ability to discern the wheat from the chaff (and finding nearly all was chaff). She and Marc have probably changed more lives than they realize.

  • dbloch7986

    I would say that $1000 for the Purif and Objectives is a fair estimate, but definitely low-balling it. I think the package deal is usually somewhere around the mid-3000s or $4K.

    I remember when the Captain at AOLA announced the “not-Clear” r-factor process in 2002. Shortly before it began. Warning us of the emotions we may come up against during this time. Let me tell you though, the underlying excitement at how much money we were going to be getting from all of it was palpable.

    My first thought was, “oh no, my dad.” Then I remember laying in bed one night and thinking about how much this was going to cost everyone. How it was messed up that they had to pay for someone else’s mistake. Then I fell asleep and woke up and was kept too busy for the thoughts to come back.

  • Jgg2012

    The only thing Scientology will ever clear is your pocketbook.

  • Xique

    I received my objectives as an auditing action, an expensive auditing action. At a certain stage of the process, you head outside with your auditor and run some of the commands while out and about.( I think we referred to them as commands). In the big city this was helpful, because you have to inadvertently involve other beings/and bodies. It was strange and even uncomfortable, and a bit confusing as to the purpose of it all. Like Claire, I did not exteriorize while going through the motions of what is known as the OBJECTIVES. A waste of hard earned cash and time is what it was!

  • aquaclara

    Bittersweet news….One of our fearless Narconon-busters is taking a break from posting – here’s Luke’s message. (actually, he said stepping away, but I’m hoping he’ll come back…).

    http://www.haveyoutoldall.com/parting-shot/
    Luke has done so much to help expose all that’s behind NN, despite a rough go from the scilons.
    I am so grateful we have people like him in this fight.

    • ze moo

      “As shown in the warrant issued for Narconon of Georgia, they already
      have enough evidence in the insurance fraud realm, and it is definitely
      not limited to one center or just insurance.”

      Thanks Luke, I hope the scam that is narCONon will eventually be shut down. You got the ball rolling, now its up to law enforcement and public pressure to finish the job.

  • Xique

    “You can’t have too much havingess”, good one Tony. There always was ‘much ado about “havingness” , I’m not kidding. For example, if the E D of the org drove a nice car, which he did, it meant he had great havingness. Christ Almighty! Forgive me.

  • TonyOrtega

    BREAKING NEW STORY: Scientology asks the US Supreme Court to stop Laura DeCrescenzo’s lawsuit in its tracks…

    http://tonyortega.org/2013/06/25/scientology-asks-us-supreme-court-for-emergency-stay-in-forced-abortion-case/

    • Xique

      No way!

  • media_lush

    Re the Jessica White story:

    At first I just thought it was some PR noob or her agent, possibly even herself he created this story to generate interest in her fading career for a possible upcoming reality show or some such – “hey, she’s a looker AND a scientology looney…. could make for some interesting confrontations”….. well. that part worked as she seems to be everywhere at the moment. But then I noticed a couple of the sites that took up the story [NewstrackIndia.com] were the same sites that put out puff pieces for Cruise. Well, this makes it look like she really has joined the cult, especially as Radar were the only site to mention that she, herself, tweeted a pic of herself outside the scion celeb centre with the words “enlightenment”.

    Personally I love the idea that a dimwitted celeb has joined the cult and is vain enough to tweet about it…. she has no idea of the amount of butt-hurt she’s getting into. The fact she’s smiling like a loon outside the church probably means she’ll be open to journalists talking about scientology directly and I’m sure her responses will get a lot of coverage…. although the cult probably thinks they’ve scored a celeb they have no idea what an own-goal this will turn out to be once she word clears “enlightenment”, lulz. This is going to be a car crash.