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Jon Atack: What we have here — in Scientology — is a failure to communicate

CoolHandLukeJon Atack is the author of A Piece of Blue Sky, one of the very best books on L. Ron Hubbard and Scientology. He has a new edition of the book for sale, and on Saturdays he’s helping us sift through the legends, myths, and contested facts about Scientology that tend to get hashed and rehashed in books, articles, and especially on the Internet.

Jon, you’re going to challenge one of Scientology’s essential tenets again, aren’t you? Well, let us have it.

JON: The central conundrum of Scientology is in the right to communicate. The Creed of the Church of Scientology states, and emphatically so, “We of the Church believe: That all men have the inalienable rights to think freely, to talk freely, to write freely their own opinions and to counter or utter or write upon the opinions of others…and that no agency less than God has the power to suspend or set aside these rights, overtly or covertly.”

Elsewhere, L. Ron Hubbard insisted that “more communication, not less, is the answer.” One of the earlier achievements on his Bridge to Total Freedom is Level 0 release, where the individual allegedly gains the ability to “communicate freely with anyone, on any subject” and, further, becomes “Willing for others to communicate to him on any subject; no longer resisting communication to him on unpleasant or unwanted subjects” and, finally, is “Willing for others to communicate freely to others about anything.”

There are certain notable, and vast, exceptions to these hard and fast rules. Scientologists may not “communicate freely” about the Technology of Scientology or Dianetics, because that would be “verbal tech.” Nor can they discuss their “case” — their troubles — with anyone but their “auditor.” Scientologists must refrain from making any criticism of either Hubbard or his Org, even if that criticism is justified, save on the proper “lines” (not exactly “freely to anyone”). The OT levels may not be discussed, even though they’ve been in the public record for years. No report can be made to anyone outside Scientology about the activities of other Scientologists, because this constitutes not an “inalienable right” but a “high crime.”

For a system that claims to be based upon communication and to succeed because it enhances the ability to communicate, this seems utterly paradoxical, as Scientologists end up being very restricted in their communication. Far more so than when they first joined up. To top this off, there are hundreds of people with whom Scientologists may not communicate, if they wish to avail themselves of the “services” of the “Church.” Disconnection has long been the answer to real world communication problems. At worst, those who retain their inalienable right to communicate their opinions have frequently been terrified and traumatised into silence.

John McMaster, the “World’s First Real Clear,” told me that he tried to remonstrate with Hubbard that rather than running away from “Suppressive” people, we should heal their destructive urge. He realized that until such a “Tech” existed, Scientology would always be at war. And it has been.

Over the years, the cult has paid tens of people millions of dollars to clam up about their experiences with Scientology. The most significant target of this abuse is Gerry Armstrong, who has had not only his “inalienable right” alienated, but has also been subjected to court orders in the USA that violate his First Amendment right to free speech.

So, back to the real “Tech” — “more communication, not less, is the answer.” We should do everything in our power to help Scientologists to regain their inalienable right and their ability to communicate.

THE BUNKER: Thanks for that, Jon. And for those that missed our previous conversation with Gerry Armstrong, please give it a look.

 
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RJ Ellory [Photo: E. Garault]

RJ Ellory [Photo: E. Garault]

Jonny Jacobsen: Dispatch from Paris

Jonny, we hear there was an R.J. Ellory siting recently on French television. What’s up with the mystery writer we’ve had so much fun discussing in the past?

JONNY: I’ve just had a wee look at the Canal+ website. Ellory was on to promote the latest of his books that have translated into French — the fifth, I think, of the nine he’s written. Mauvaise Etoile in French (which I think is Bad Signs in the original English): apparently he’s sold more than a million books over here — and they loved this latest one.

A little later however, French singer Bernard Villiers was plugging his latest album Baron Samedi (complete with a song about a modern-day Jack the Ripper who kills bankers). Perhaps Ellory wasn’t looking sufficiently interested because Villiers made a passing reference, à propos of nothing, to the press reports that Ellory had written favourable reviews online of his own book (about 8:30).

(I reported on this story for the Underground Bunker and there’s an extended version at Infinite Complacency.)

“Oh no no no,” said Ellory. “Let’s be completely honest: what we read in the newspapers and the truth are not always the same thing.”

Villiers didn’t press the matter and the conversation continued quite amicably thereafter. A little later in the programme one of the presenters mentioned how “Lire” magazine had revealed his attachment to Scientology and asked if his writing was in any way influenced by his beliefs (about 13 minutes in).

Not at all, said Ellory: he had dabbled in Buddhism, he had read the Bhagavad Gita and the Bible and always had a deep desire to ask and answer questions about life — and that was reflected in his books. He continued: “The way Scientology is portrayed in the press I don’t think it’s actually accurate…

“I’ll put it this way: in 1986 I did a drug detoxification programme through the Church of Scientology and I honestly believe that had I not done that I wouldn’t be here — and I wouldn’t have published any books.

“So you know when people criticise and when people point the finger and say there is something unusual or controversial about Scientology, I just have to think well, ‘You know what? I am not a drug addict any more and I am not in prison any more so it was a good thing for me.”

So he wasn’t really plugging Scientology so much as responding to the inevitable questions about it.

Did I mention they love his book?

THE BUNKER: Why are we the only ones who ever bring up the conga line?

 
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Hartley Patterson

Hartley Patterson

Scientology marriage in England — the local view

We’ve heard from several folks who felt that our assessment (here, second item) of the recent legal decision about Scientology marriage in England did not have nearly enough panic and gloom. Well, perhaps we have downplayed some of the church’s nefarious plans in this well-plotted strategy. For a local view, we turned to an old time Scientology critic and someone we admire a lot, Hartley Patterson. He sent us these thoughts.

HARTLEY: Louisa Hodkin must be one happy if boggled bunny. The Church’s case all along has been that their chapels are “places of worship,” which Lower Courts and indeed this one thought was piffle. And then the Court did what the Supreme Court can do, considered evidence that it had not been asked to look at and overturned Segerdal altogether!

THE BUNKER: And help our readers with that reference to Segerdahl, if you will.

HARTLEY: In the UK exemption from local property tax is given to churches, synagogues, mosques and the like. In 1970 the Church of Scientology was in court claiming that its chapels should also be entitled to such exemption. This case is known in legalese as “R v Registrar General ex parte Segerdal,” or “Segerdal” for short.

Lord Denning, the presiding Judge, saw that the exempted buildings were collectively referred to in the law as ‘places of worship.’ The apocryphal version of the story has it that he asked counsel if Scientologists did in fact worship a God.

“They do not,” he was told.

“Case dismissed!” Denning pronounced.

The consequence of this judgment was that in English common law a religion had to include “faith in a god and worship of that god.” Scientology does not, and therefore it was not, for legal purposes, a religion.

In my view Segerdal was bound to fall sometime, it was out of date. It had not done so before because it takes a Supreme Court to overturn Lord Denning, the most famous of 20th Century judges.

This recent judgment is not about Scientology specifically but as it says relates to all religions that don’t sing hymns and pray. What remains to be seen is how far the domino effect will take us. The tax exemption for religious buildings will likely be next, since that was the actual subject of Segerdal.

A year or two ago diligent research by Anonymous and friends (see WWP for details) revealed that local Councils were giving discretionary rate reductions to the Church. The Local Government Minister Eric Pickles, a professional ‘no nonsense’ Yorkshireman, told them firmly to stop it at once. He will not be a happy bunny over this. Nor apparently was the Education Minister Michael Gove, who just called them a cult — again.

A Charity? The Church still has to jump the “public benefit” hurdle for that, and given the mud that’s been sticking in recent times I can’t see it happening without a big fight.

THE BUNKER: Hartley, thanks for chiming in. Judging from some of the harsh editorials that British newspapers printed in the wake of the decision, it does appear that Scientology will not so easily turn this incremental victory over an outdated law into further victories regarding taxation. In the meantime, Scientology in the UK is tiny, and it is not the magnet for money that Clearwater, Florida is — and now, Scientology leader David Miscavige has further undermined England by taking the IAS gala away from it, relocating it in Florida this past month. We would argue that decision will have far greater consequences for English Scientology than the marriage of Lousa Hodkin and Alessandro Calcioli.

 
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A Note about the Rathbuns

Finally, we have a brief note we’d like to make about Marty and Monique Rathbun, who recently celebrated an addition to their family. We had not said something earlier out of respect for their privacy. But some of our more eagle-eyed readers noticed in court papers we posted yesterday morning that there is a reference to the Rathbuns and their desire to adopt a child.

After the Rathbuns moved to Bulverde, Texas and appeared to have more privacy and distance from the Scientology harassment they experienced in the Corpus Christi area, they made plans to adopt. Then, they found that cameras had been set up near their home by a man named Steven Gregory Sloat, who has now admitted that he was hired by the church to spy on the Rathbuns and possibly gain access to their home. The possibility that this new surveillance activity might interfere with the adoption process was in part a reason why Monique Rathbun decided to file her lawsuit when she did.

We’ve noticed a lot of misinformation and speculation going on in our comments and elsewhere online. We hope that settles down now, and we trust our readers will join us in congratulating the Rathbuns in the adoption of their adorable new son, William.

— The Underground Bunker

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on December 14, 2013 at 07:00

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  • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

    Alexa update for Dec. 14: *refresh for image*

    Tony: US rank #16,250 – down 344 from yesterday.
    Scientology: US rank #40,543 – down 224 from yesterday.

    Difference: 24,293 – 120 less than yesterday.

  • Cat Daddy
    • Baby

      ugh.. Look at all that Fakey Fake Shit on that Fakey Fake Shit

      • Jo

        I wonder what those fakey fake ribbons mean?

        • MaxSpaceman

          • PoisonIvyHerself

            This shit makes me mad!

            • MaxSpaceman

              I hear that, P I H !
              Huge piece of crap from Hubbard and his $cientology Inc. organization.

        • Baby

          It means he is a big fat Liar.. xo

    • DamOTclese2

      ROFL! Little toy sailor. He thinks he’s so cute.

    • HyperionCorp

      I’m sure he makes great use of the nautical weather station behind him. Actually, he probably doesn’t understand many of the basic concepts we all take for granted. He just never had the education. But he does have the ribbons!

  • Krew13

    Regarding Slappy, to paraphrase Tom Cruise: I have never seen a more disgusting, a more dumb and more gutless prick. I just want to say we’re very lucky to have you there, helping bring about the collapse of Sciloonery through your own stupid, evil and often hilarious actions and decisions. Now, you ready to go 12 rounds with Sugar Ray Jeffrey?

    • Modesto

      I’ve commanded one of these – what about Cap’n Slappy?

  • Ruby

    off topic…been gone all day. Any news on our Monkeyknickers?

    • HolyCash

      No news, so that means she’s busy with Something:) Tomorrow is her due date. I was just thinking about her and wondering.

      • Ruby

        Thanks, Holy. 🙂

        • HolyCash

          She’s written the most down to earth, real and down in the toilet honest personal diary of a pregger that I have ever seen. And her back story with the niece and the cult sister and all the subset novellas of drama narratives are impossible to ignore. She just grabs your heart and then shoves your head down in the messy parts of life and makes you think about things you’d rather not. Then damn if she doesn’t turn around in a flash, melt your inner child until you want to go out in the front yard and build a snowman.

          So yeah. I think many here are probably thinking of her and wishing to be there to hold her hand but she has people to do that. It’s going to be quite a celebration here. She was really taken back by all the gifts and well wishes for her baby shower and support along the way. I am getting a little mushy here. Reminds me of the Headley Fundraiser. Always good to hear about the good in people.

          • Ruby

            100% on that page with ya!

          • aquaclara

            Oh my, holy. Are you her inner spirit? What a FABULOUS description of our very own Monkeyknickers.

            We watch every day to see if she checks in….

            Anyone who needs shower mail in info, just click on my avi, and look over the past two days for the address!

            • HolyCash

              My Christmas wish is that Poison Ivy Herself can help her gather her outrageous posts and get her a ghost writer to stew them down into some kind of coherent trilogy or something that makes sense to us non Native/Scotsman mere humans. Tall order, but I was thinking if anyone should profit from her experiences, it should be Monkeyknicker’s twins. 🙂 I’d not only but it, but I’d but a bunch and send them out as Christmas 2014 presents to all my weird and wonderful friends across the globe. They’d freaking love it.

            • ParticleMom

              Thank you aquaclara! I have had no luck getting in touch with her to send a gift.

            • HolyCash

              Got this from aquaclara:

              Michael Tilse (MK)
              #2753
              311 SW 2nd Street
              Corvallis, OR 97333

              IF MAILING via US Mail:

              Michael Tilse (MK)
              PO Box 2753
              Corvallis, OR 97339

            • aquaclara

              I will post it again tomorrow morning…. On a tablet now, which is lousy at the cut and paste!

          • Casabeca

            Amen!

      • PoisonIvyHerself

        Sending her the best!

      • Kitz

        Michael talked to her a bit earlier to see if we could make a gift drop. She was busy with family stuff, so that will have to be another day.

        She was about to go nuts over being housebound due to the crazy assed weather we had, but seems in pretty good spirits otherwise. 🙂

        • HolyCash

          Thanks so much. At least there are Christmas cookies to nibble on in the snow. I was hoping weather and especially roads would be cleared up.

          • Kitz

            The weather and roads have cleared off finally, but it was still almost a week 🙂

  • Ruby Grapefruit

    Heard from a friend who saw a post on facebook that 7 people were just declared at AOLA. Dying to know more!

    • DamOTclese2

      Maybe they did a Google search and found out that Scientology is a fraud. 🙂

    • Ruby

      whoa! definitely want to know who…I spent many a day there.

      • Midwest Mom

        All of those SP’s are responsible for Miscavige being deposed!

        • Ruby

          God Bless them!

      • Ruby Grapefruit

        Supposedly it had something to do with GAT II.

        • HyperionCorp

          What could possibly go wrong with GAT II?? {}

        • Midwest Mom

          I wonder if they weren’t clapping enthusiastically enough for Miscavige?

        • HolyCash

          No kidding. The after event at the local orgs was to first show the taping of the Clearwater events and then to lower the boom with the fine print.

          That’s when the Real event began. The do overs, the buy overs, the immediate cancellation of their meters, the must buy two, must be sec checked for clearance to make it work, the price increases, the looooooong new runways.

          Has any of the whales actually gotten to the fun 5th floor of the Super Power on the smell walls, oiliness table, pain station, or Running Program on the 6th floor? I seriously doubt it. But if they did, they probably wobbled off the first day and left for good.

          For anyone but the very rich and those who are OT8’s for the 2nd or 3rd time or OT7’s for the 2nd or 3rd times, the runway for the low life to get to Super Power now is impossible. And the rest just to Anything in Scientology anymore is pretty much close to impossible.

          One by one they are figuring out they’ve been robbed. The declarations of some of the veteran whales in South Africa as well as new waves of declares is hitting them all at the same time. Don’t know if news of the lawsuits is finally washing up on shore, but it will soon if not already.

          Said this a few weeks back that the GATII Implementation Program is going to over like a brick wall and start a new exodus. Declarations in PAC though are signs of serious defection. They can ill afford a single public or staff member out there. That tells me DM is desperate to QUARANTINE to stop the tsunami.

          Sorry Charlie. No one stops a tsunami.

          A very merry Christmas to all. Hope this means many more happy family dinners on Christmas Eve.

    • HolyCash

      What, did they accidentally watch reruns of Dancing With The Stars with Leah Remini?

      There is indeed an infectious virus going on around the world. This is True. A Plague of SP’s. 🙂

      Will the last Scientologist please turn out the lights. Oh wait, the electricity was cut off last week for non payment.

      Will the last Scientologist please turn to Page 1 of “A Piece of Blue Sky” by Jon Atack. Thank you.

      • OrangySky

        Witch hunts!

        • HolyCash

          The whales and long term veterans are the ones first in line for the Super Power.

          If they get declared, they can’t go on the rides.

          Also, Paranoia Strikes Deep.

    • Ruby Grapefruit

      Just heard that Gale Voight and Cindy Temps are two of the names.

      • HolyCash

        Voight?

    • Michael Leonard Tilse

      yea, I would love to know more about this.

    • MaxSpaceman

      wow! they are “declaring” sumbitches

    • HolyCash

      Thanks, Ruby.

    • Rita Gregory

      DMass has to find the SP’s who are responsible for his future deposition.

  • Baby

    Lifter is starting shit from past threads.. I got 4 posts in my e mail..I’m totally ignoring him.. there is plenty of info there about Tony’s blog ..and what we stand for ( Truth..facts..)

    each post he has called me a BIG BABY hahhahaha ( Like that is supposed to shatter me somehow..) I mean HELLLLLLLLO look at my Avi.. hahaha… What a Wack job..

    I am going to watch a movie… not waste time with him.

    • HyperionCorp

      Past threads? Which ones? I thought he was banned

      • Baby

        I’m sorry..On radar.. Here is an example of one.. He is just so deparate..

        Unless someone disagrees with Baby, then Baby will get you banned.
        Isn’t that right Baby? Why can’t you handle opinions different from
        yours? You act very cultish when you do that…double standards baby?
        Thought so. I guess I know why you named yourself that.

        • OrangySky

          “Cultish” – see? What’d I tell you?
          “Cultish” has come down in the memo from uplines as the Black PR word of the month.

          • Baby

            Yep.. and he is pissed he got banned her Orangy..

            He is going through scientology posts from Radar and adding his comments. It is making him look like a total fool.. hahahah

            He just posted something like..

            ” CAlling there is nothing wrong with calling yourself a scientologist, but there is something wrong with calling yourself a baby..”

            I mean come on.. How lame is that..hahahhahhaah

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              That weak of an insult could get one expelled from troll school.

            • Baby

              Weak.. Weak.. WEAK..

              I have posted the 1-866-XSEAORG number when I can slip it in.. Man he is not liking that..

              He posted..” Are phone numbers allowed in this thread..?”

              You know he reported it..and the number remains..woo hoo..

            • Robert Eckert

              One of his “complaints” about the Tony Ortega cult was that nobody at the Bunker ever actually tries to help people get out of Scientology.

            • OrangySky

              Careful! That may be a lure to get someone to admit to something that could be used against them. Remember the old old days of the cult “deprogrammers”? Scientology, Moonies & others used to bait those guys, just like CO$ baited AGP recently.

              It could also be a fishing expedition to find out if anyone here was going to ‘name names’ about disaffected “under the radar” Scientologists who lurk here, since clearly there are witch hunts and purges going on at AOLA and elsewhere. Davey wants to find out who the moles are in his organization and he wants to find out who Tony (and MIke Rinders’) tipsters are.

              Good luck with that, Davey. You’ll know who they are when they get out all the way, TRUST.

            • Robert Eckert

              I told him we do what we can, but don’t discuss it with the likes of him. He responded, “LOL”. Up until that point I hadn’t been entirely sure he was from the {church}

            • OrangySky

              LOL is another giveaway. Scientology trolls are just now discovering the internet acronyms that the rest of us learned in 1992.

            • TXCowgirl

              Sounds like he has seriously unresolved issues with a younger female sibling.

            • Baby

              Hi sweetie..I haven’t seen you around..

              Yes.. maybe his baby sister got more attention than him.. and she smoked..

            • TXCowgirl

              Hi, doll. I’ve been traveling during which I was still reading and up voting, but on the quiet side. Finally home again, home again.

              I’m thinking that, with his apparent hostility towards babies, he had a little sister….which makes me retroactively concerned for her safety. On the other hand, maybe I’ve seen too many SVU episodes.

            • Baby

              Ha.. Nope.. He just has major mental health issues..and I really pushed his buttons big time on radar.. Welcome home TX ((HUGS)) missed you..

          • Midwest Mom

            It’s the new “bitter defrocked apostate”!

        • HyperionCorp

          I’ll go look, thx

          • Baby

            Hyperion.. Ya can’t shut him up.. He is an ASSHat.. ( HOLE) I am ignoring him..

        • Rita Gregory

          Hee, hee! You REALLY got under his skin! Good job! Enjoy yourself and it’s time for ignore and enjoy tech. <3

          • Baby

            Oh absolutely Rita.. Man did I push his buttons big time.. PHEW

        • Midwest Mom

          He sounds jealous of your supah powahs! ;]

          • Baby

            Girl..You know that is true.. hahahha.. Poor guy.. Damn

        • Robert Eckert

          I feel so left out. He was replying to me on long-ago threads too, but now he doesn’t have a thing to say to me.

          • Baby

            Robert when he was responding to you I lost it every time..hahahhahaha

    • jeff

      Hey, I’m eating pecan pie right now….Here, have a piece and a glass of milk and feel better Baby, we love you!

      • SandiCorrena

        Geez I’d cut a idon’tknowwhat for a piece of pecan pie; you’re killing me! 🙂

        • jeff

          Well, you’re certainly welcome to a piece as well. Pie + milk = a slice of heaven.

        • HolyCash

          further down, I asked, Good News?

          • SandiCorrena

            Yes my recruiter called after 6 yesterday and said the job is mine; I have to go drug test/fingerprint on Monday or Tuesday so I’m not sure when I get to actually start yet – she said the bank wants to direct hire me rather than the temp to perm route….very happy because I really feel like it is the right place. I actually saw my retired President from my old company today; within 3 weeks of her retirement the new President eliminated three of us (more followed) after he had promised her he’d make no staffing changes for one year. It was so wonderful to see her, she said she’s lost more sleep since retiring over his horrible actions than she ever did while President herself. She was so happy to hear my news too…. My former President sat in the waiting room during my breast cancer surgery, let my co-worker take me to all my chemo appointments, and sat through my hysterectomy when I had another tumor (benign) a couple years ago. They don’t make Presidents like they used to do they? 🙂

            • HolyCash

              wow. That is so damn great to hear. Just don’t eat any poppy seed muffins over the weekend:) Your story about the personal care and view of employees as the ones who actually make the company hum is very common. A few are starting to realize the major error, but it is going to be a slow turn around I think. I’m serious. Every single point of what you just wrote has been the same story over and over. Just a good time to add a note for Christmas shoppers to support their local small businesses. Not just retail. Gift cards to spas, bowling alleys, computer services, you name it. I knew it! Thank you for sharing your saga. You may not think it is important, but believe me, it really is and will be to many. Great news.

            • SandiCorrena

              You are so right! She was so surprised today when I told her that conversation he had with the three of us Supervisors was the first time he actually talked to us at all – she said she hears from so many community members that what she built up is so much less than it was….said it breaks her heart. You are so right about the small businesses!

            • HolyCash

              I think of my favorite movie line “We’ll always have Paris”.

              Small businesses today have “We’ll always have Amazon”.

            • Casabeca

              I love your hopeful news, wishing you the very best outcome!

            • aquaclara

              Fabulous. This is so well deserved, sweetie. And sending you wonderful wishes and happy thoughts for overcoming all that you have. We have more in common than you might imagine, so HUGE sister hugs to you!

              Give me a shout if you want to chat…

              All the best to you in your new venture!

            • SandiCorrena

              Sometimes things happen that make us family and you know you can never have enough family! 🙂

            • aquaclara

              🙂
              I’m east coast. You?
              Career banker, cancer survivor, Bunkerite. Count several bank CEOs as close friends.
              So happy that you have found something good! What a terrific December win!

            • SandiCorrena

              Born and raised in Ohio; transplanted to TX in ’96.

            • aquaclara

              Ok, Sandi, Texas has earned the biggest shining star this week, and I am humbly bowing to the Saint of New Braunfels, Texas. Thanks, Judge!

              And PS I have a great banker friend in the Panhandle if that happens to fit. Ok, I know Texas is huge. But just in case.
              Love,
              An Eagles fan

            • ParticleMom

              Wow, there aren’t enough bosses like that! Congrats on the new job.

      • Baby

        OMG Jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeff! I got so hungry for Pie today I made a couple of Pilsbury Grands and Put so much sugar and cinnamon mix on it ..Fabulous..

        ( But It ain’t pecan pie..ha) Virtual Pie.. Meh..I will get you..

        Awwwwwww OK I won’t get cha.. hugs

        • jeff

          Well I swam outside today extra long in the Northern California sunshine, so pie was the order of the day. I just want you to know you are loved.

          • Baby

            Awwwww… Thank you Jeff.. Swam? How refreshing. I do feel your love.. I feel loved by the Bunker and my snoring husband ( Sat night at 10:30)

            I might have been in bed at 10:30 in my youth, but NOT to sleep for God’s sake..haha

            • jeff

              Have you not read my avatar?

            • Baby

              I just got new glasses and yes.. OMG that is funny.. I should start swimming again.

              cute

            • Casabeca

              Hey Baby, good work, keep ’em on their toes.
              Happy Saturday dear :).

            • Baby

              Hey Cassie.. I know No one listens to me around this joint.. xo

          • aquaclara

            Sunshine? Swimming? You meanie.

            🙂

        • jeff

          PS – what are Pillsbury Grands. Nevermind, I hearsayed it and apparently they are biscuits.

        • Aslansown

          Oh dear….pie talk … cravings… :-/

          • Baby

            OMG I was thinking about you when Pie came up..haha xoox

            • Aslansown

              Hahahaha! The pie talk is always at night, when I’m hungry! If it were warmer I might run out and get something, but it’s about 15 degrees here. But then again I have nothing on hand to eat, so it’s tempting…

            • Baby

              I know.. sigh..I KNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW

            • Aslansown

              Between the pie talk and hearing about swimming outside in the Northern California sunshine, I’m hating myself for living where I live and for not shopping so I have no food. Now I’m just whining. Somebody needs to call me a wambulance.

            • Rita Gregory

              Got our shopping done yesterday morning before it started. Thank heaven there are goodies but no pecan pie. I love pecan pie!

            • Aslansown

              I actually got my car all cleaned off today and went to Taco Bell to get something to eat, but kind of didn’t realize I really don’t have anything else!

            • jeff

              Rita, if you were here I’d gladly serve you a slice. Pie is my weakness, and I always like to share.

            • Rita Gregory

              Thank you! Sounds sooooooo good.

            • jeff

              You have my sympathy. I grew up in Pennsylvania and left 30 years ago. When people ask me if I want to go skiing in Tahoe, I just give them the look that says “Are you nuts?”

            • Aslansown

              Haha! No kidding!

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              Ahem.

              That’s “waahmbulance.”

            • Aslansown

              haha! I wasn’t sure how to spell it, but I definitely needed one!

            • Baby

              Awww Lion you are such a big baby.. come here love.. smooches

            • Aslansown

              haha! I am…whine, whine, whine!

    • IASREG

      No real need to respond to it. We know it has serious mental issues. It will be back on the Bunker no doubt under new socks and probably already is. I’ll leave some screenshots of some of its stuff here…as TeamMe (speaking about sg2), as Lifter, it also is likely 6dog and is building other socks. Truly a whackjob with a victim complex and serious OCD issues and more. It will be back. Poor tortured mind and soul.

      • Baby

        Absolutely IAS…another..

        “Actually you version of the truth as written by Tony Ortega who is an
        obsessed bitter man. And you believe everything he writes. That’s
        pathetic. But you already know that about yourself, right?”

        • Baby

          and another..He is obsessed with my being a baby..

          “Yes, you MUIST agree with Baby or Baby will get you banned. I guess Free speech means nothing to the Big baby…”

          • jeff

            That’s funny, I always think of you as GlibWog.

            • Baby

              Oh I know Jeff.. I just had to show respect to the Original Glib..Glibby.. since I had a baby avi and my nickname is Baby ..It just fit..

              If you knew me in real life you would see why they call me baby.. hahahaha Ask Bury

          • Baby

            Amazing.. they just keep coming in.. One is lamer than the next..

            “Can’t handle other opinions can you Big Baby?? “

            • IASREG

              You are the most powerful Baby in the world. Born OT 8 with the Super Power Rundown already installed! Super Powers to banish posters from any website. OSA recruiters will be beating down your door!

            • Baby

              You just have no idea the powers that I have IAS…

              They are all Hidden ( Like my Talents)

            • Aslansown

              Hahaha! Throw your cigarette at him!

          • IASREG

            He is totally obsessed. I screwed up above duplicating one post twice. Here is the one that was referring to sg2…

            • stillgrace2

              Grave reservations.

            • IASREG

              I should have grabbed the screenshot of the original cheetos and porn comment. If posters see strange posts just screenshot them and compile them for a while, you will see a pattern even though the posts come from different socks with different forged backstory.

            • Baby

              WOW… I mean WOW

            • IASREG

              Hey now, you need to add in exclamation tech to properly use WOW tech!!!!!

            • Baby

              OMG !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You ARE RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!! WOW!!!!!!! WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WOW!!!!!!!!

              I am going to find a movie before I fall asleep I have got to get out of this office and put my butt on the couch.. xoxo I am so much smarter now than when I started..ha ( I really am)

            • stillgrace2

              Thank you, I saw it. I know who TeamMe is and I have no desire to hang around deeply disturbed people.

            • Baby

              OMG.. OK this is the first time I have seen this and the other one ( Disq delay) WOW

              Lifter is FLUNK?

            • IASREG

              Yes, he is.

            • Baby

              OKEY Dokey.. I will never post anything to him again..He has serious mental health issues.. Got it.. Thanks Reg..

            • IASREG

              You and I and others probably will and not even realize it, he is working on other socks. It won’t become apparent until he decides to act up and use them to attempt to disrupt. He can pose as different profiles with different forged back story, he is intelligent and can maintain his posing for a while until either he decides it is time to use the sock to disrupt or someone pushes whatever buttons cause him to break character and lash out.

            • Baby

              Got it.. I know Tory told us not to discuss it, but if someone has proof IAS like you just posted I think it is important to tell other posters what you know.

              Because knowing when to Ignore.. or give pertinent facts to is relevant to our purpose here right.. ?

            • IASREG

              It is ALWAYS OK to just stick to the topic of the article and provide further relevant information, you don’t necessarily have to ignore it, just ignore the off topic circular and false equivalency arguments. You can play with it. If you watch it closely you can catch it talking to itself between socks. NEVER provide it with information about yourself or others you know though. Really you can troll it if you want, you can bash it, mock it, push its buttons, but always try to put in something that returns to the topic at hand – most trolls strongly object to that. You can also choose to ignore it and let it wither on the vine.

            • Captain Howdy

              Psssst..trolls can’t hurt you and you’re not in the army. Relax and stop taking yourself so seriously.

            • IASREG

              No, of course they can’t hurt me Captain because I live under LRH’s Magical Bridge to Nowhere and no, that is not an Army uniform I am wearing, it is a fake Navy uniform with plenty of pretty gold rope showing myself just how seriously I should take myself! Of course trolls can hurt people IRL, they can stalk and harass and bully, they can ‘enturbulate’ others, they have even been known to drive people to do desperate, awful things. It all depends on what kind of troll they are.

            • Captain Howdy

              How can you bully, stalk and harass someone if they don’t go on the stupid internet? How can you bully, stalk and harass someone if they don’t give a fuck what you say to them?

              It all depends on what kind of person you are.

            • IASREG

              That’s true. I suppose a troll could bully, stalk, and harass another person off of a website or the internet altogether if the other person couldn’t take it. If someone doesn’t use the internet or give a fuck what you say about them you can use Scientology tactics and go to their friends and employers, you could stalk and physically assault them.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              I don’t believe it is Flunk, but I don’t really care, either. Bury has made it clear that bashing him is upsetting to her, and merely having to think about him or see his name repeated is probably upsetting to many others. If he shows up and it is provably Flunk, that new account will be banned. Tony said as much. So until then, can we just move on and quit mentioning him? It is getting very tiring.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              And I’m sorry to leave that reply to you IASREG, as if you’re the cause of the problem. There was a long thread on this below that I’m sure you saw. So I’m saying this in general, not specifically to you.

            • IASREG

              No need to be sorry, I have empathy for this person, they have some sort of OCD and have become very focused on a perceived affront to them, but then again I don’t really want them to use the comment section to abuse others in retribution for whatever perceived wrong was committed against them. I did see that thread, but admit I glossed through some of it. I’m quite alright with this person becoming He Who Must Not Be Named.

            • Captain Howdy

              And you arrived at this conclusion based on what?

              Srsly, you kids are chasing your tails.

            • Baby

              Howdy..I am so confused about who is who anymore..I don’t care .. I really don’t..I’m not going to give trolls anymore of my time..

              Just a waste of time, energy and space..

            • Robert Eckert

              Whether or not they are the same person, they work for the same “extremist org”

            • Captain Howdy

              Flunk isn’t even a practicing scientologist. These noobs got troll fever.

            • IASREG

              Neither is TeamMe, 6dog, or lifter.

      • Baby

        Absolutely tortured mind and soul.. While working in mental health I was called everything but the Son of God..

        Wait.. I take it back.. Yep that too.. I have been spit on, Hit, Hit On, ( Occupational Hazard..)

        I know how damaging mental health issues are.. very sad.

        • IASREG

          I did a couple of years stint working in a psychiatric hospital and it was definitely hazardous and very sad. Unfortunately mental health services have long been underfunded and stretched way beyond capacity. OCD’s are very tough to break, I saw some very sad EDO cases, quite a few of them did not end favorably. I hope this person has some access to help.

          • Baby

            It is rough.. The one I worked at was for the Criminally Insane.. Rapists, Murders etc.. Rough..

            and absolutely underfunded and staff stressed to the max.. We had a Rescue Crisis center for EDOs.. and then they would be sent to us..

            but yep I have seen them.. He needs help. I don’t want to antagonize him.

        • Ardent

          You really ought to ask Tom Cruise for serious advice. He’s the expert on mental health you know.

      • Robert Eckert

        The one from Lifter to me, complaining that Tony had banned him from the Bunker, was a couple days ago (as Tony mentioned somewhere downthread). At that point he had only posted on the Bunker in old threads, saying things that might easily get him banned elsewhere but we’re made of tougher stuff here. Tony thought it might have meant that Lifter = FLUNK. I don’t think they are actually the same person; the way I took it is that Lifter was on a mission to get himself banned from the Bunker, and had taken for granted that what he had posted already had completed that task, so that he could start playing martyr.

        • HyperionCorp

          Many places close comments after a few days, presumably to prevent this kind of abuse.

    • Jo

      I’m not replying either. You know he’s an attorney, lol. I’m off to bed.

      • Baby

        Night Jojo I love your avi.. ha xo smooches

        • Jo

          Night x

      • IASREG

        HAHAHA! Attorney, homophobic bisexual weightlifter…. mental patient.

    • Ardent

      HI Baby,

      Don’t let the freak get under your skin ‘tho it sounds like you’re doing fine. Thought I’d say hello.

      • Baby

        Heh Columbo.. Yep doing Fine darlink

  • MaxSpaceman

    I’m retweeting this and posting it here. A message about C o B being deposed.
    “Do I look worried to you, wretched degraded beings each one of you.
    You think you’ll see sh1t from me about anything? You jerk-offs.
    You all SCOHB mutha fuckhas!”

    • Baby

      You know Max.. That is exactly what he would say.. Exactly.. It looks like he drinking coffee out of a Toilet Bowl.. Look at the background..hahaha

      • Great White Clam

        Wait. He is drinking coffie out of a toilet boul right? Isn’t that what he does? I mean is it unusual? I guess Im just missin the funny on this one. Please esplain

        • Zana

          It looks like it’s a cup that is shaped like a toilet bowl. Very funny.

    • Great White Clam

      Yea. Good point on the “SCOHB”

  • Cece

    Awahhhh that was the best Tony. Thank you for being bigger then the nearly incremental (not sure that’s the right word) inc-something scientology.
    Just Thank you so much.

  • AceLace

    Hi! My name is Lacey. I’m a long time reader of all these posts. But I was never a commenter or a Scientist. Untill now!!!!!! I just wanted to say how unique all the posts made here are. I like reading them every day. I work alot but like to relax by reading the posts. I think I know the posternames of most of the regges who post here, I like your work! Just a nice family of comments and insightfulness.

    • Great White Clam

      ..

    • Cece

      Well – you got the exCLAMation points right.

      • Great White Clam

        WTF??????? Cece??????? not knearely enough “!” for such an accolade!

        • Cece

          Yah, you are correct. More to go.

    • Espiando

      There’s only one reaction I can have to this post:

      Bitch, please.

      • EnthralledObserver

        New toy to play with?

        • Espiando

          No. It’d be like clubbing baby seals. This girl is either the worst troll alive or she’s about twelve. Years or IQ, take your pick.

          • EnthralledObserver

            It’s becoming apparent… I hear you.

            • Espiando

              Sometimes it’s a good thing to be a misanthrope.

            • EnthralledObserver

              You made me look up that word… now I don’t trust anyone!

            • AceLace

              I know! So true!

            • Rita Gregory

              Martina Douglas of East Grinstead, committed suicide while on lines at Saint Hill, UK.

            • AceLace

              I’m going to feel sad if every response you write to me is about another scientology suicide! There are so many who have wasted their lives in the Church and/or destroyed their lives.

            • EnthralledObserver

              “There are so many who have wasted their lives in the Criminal Organisation and/or destroyed their lives.”
              Fixed it for you!
              Don’t feel SAD – just BLOW!

          • OrangySky

            Or a sock of Bill Yaude – the politeness as well as the “too bad to be true” spelling and grammar speak to someone like that.
            Christ on a cracker, I’m bored and going to bed.

            • AceLace

              Goodnight Orange!

            • Rita Gregory

              James Dries (20+) Shot himself to death–disconnection situation with one parent in, one out.

      • Great White Clam

        ..

      • AceLace

        Hi Espiando! Your name is cute! Are you latino?

        • Espiando

          I’m your worst nightmare. Ask anyone here.

          • AceLace

            Cute and funny:)

            • Espiando

              Don’t even start, you brainless little queef. You see, everyone else here has something called a conscience. I don’t. So, on the remote chance that you are real, I’ll give you one warning: if you are real, I’m about to cause you trauma that will cost your mommy and daddy tens of thousands in psychiatric fees to correct.

            • AceLace

              Espiando, you are the best:) Thanks for your note. I can tell you are a trickster! Anyway, it’s nice meeting the folks here!

            • EnthralledObserver

              We’re covertly, and some directly, taking the piss out of you… and you think it’s nice. Boy, I have fears that you don’t come from a very nice place – you poor thing, are you Sea Org?

            • OrangySky

              S/he knows exactly what Espie is doing. This is a variation of her TR’s. Move along. G’nite all. Not you, trollie.

            • EnthralledObserver

              I’ll become a spectator for the show instead. Sometimes I can’t help myself but jump in though.

            • Baby

              Sitting on bench with EO minding my own Beezewax.. ( talk about 1965) ha

            • EnthralledObserver

              Oh, and G’night… sleep well!

            • Espiando

              I’ll do a little more TR-Bitchslap, then join you in the Land of Nod. One needs to keep one’s hand in.

            • OrangySky

              I’ll repost this before I go – for Bunkerites still up, lurkers, or OSA bots who are under the impression that they are being SOOPER SNEEEEKIE with their TOP-SEKRET LRH SPY TECHNIQUES:

              This “cultish” meme is strikingly reminscent of the line from
              the CO$ attorney on Wednesday, describing Mosey’s lawsuit as “cultish.”

              I’m gonna guess here that Herr David REALLY hates CO$ being called a
              “cult,” so he’s going to employ “I know you are but what am I?” tech
              (also known to Evil Psychs as ‘projection’) and repeat the “Bunker is a
              cult”; “Marty’s ‘lunatic posse’ is a cult”; etc.

              Davey is doing this because he is uneducated, unsophisticated, and
              unable to understand anything regarding nuance in human nature.

              So he has no choice but to go back yet again to LRH’s tired,
              dog-eared playbook. Here’s Ol’ Fishy Lips writing about how to use
              “Black PR” against the “enemies” of squeaky clean, honest injun
              Scientology:

              “To cancel an enemy’s chief weapon is in itself a part of victory.

              To cease to be the effect of classification and become in our
              turn the cause of it, the classifier, is to win the propaganda game. Our
              propaganda is dirty but it is not black because it is true. Black
              propaganda is essentially false.

              We can do this trick by survey and attack. As what is attacked is
              already popularly evil, we become re-classified as attackers and the
              enemy as bad hats as they’re for the evil if they attack us.

              The objective is to be identified as attackers of popularly
              considered evils. This de-classifies us from former labels. It
              re-classifies our attackers as evil people. Which they are.

              So we:
              (1) Seek to avoid opportunities for the enemy to classify us.
              (2) Contest or expose any previous classification as false (dead agentry, etc.)
              (3) Engage in a series of campaigns which confuse past classification.
              (4) Achieve for ourselves a dominance in classifying ourselves and others.
              Out of this strategic planning can come operating policies and campaigns. ”

              The above are the immortal words of the “Great Humanitarian and Slanderer,” LRH. http://www.scientology-cult.co

              So, what Lifter is doing is what Lil’ Davey has also ordered his sad
              Wog attorneys to do – call his enemies “cultish” and reclassify them as
              the bad guys. That’s what Anti-SLAPP is all about, too. I predict CO$
              will take an extra-aggressive stand on this kind of stuff in the
              forseeable future. “Attack don’t defend” is going to get ratcheted up
              to high gear again.

              This kind of bizarro-world mind game s#&*t is often employed by
              narcissists and sociopaths outside of CO$ as well…and tragically, it
              can often do devastating harm in the hands of a skilled and subtle
              “operator.” (it worked for CO$ in the past, when no one could possibly
              conceive of a “church” trying to do what they did to Paulette Cooper,
              Abe Gazares, etc). However, CO$ has played this card over and over and
              over until the ‘element of surprise’ is just a pathetic joke. It’s a
              joke to the world now, Davey. LRH policy hasn’t helped you in a long,
              long time, has it? So why do you keep “applying” it, again and again
              and again, digging the hole for yourself deeper every time? You’re like
              the gambler in Vegas, sitting at the same slot machine for hours
              because you think, “I’m due for a payout any time now.”

              What you’re actually due for is a shiny new orange jumpsuit in size boy’s extra-small. Coming soon to a penitentiary near you.

              ‘ signing off now!

            • Snippy_X

              Very nice! Thanks for reposting that, Orangy.

            • AceLace

              Good comment, Orange! Good night:)

            • Rita Gregory

              Richard Collins,
              24, of Bristol, Avon, England died on 9 August 1996 when he jumped from
              the Clifton Suspension Bridge near Bristol. He was trying to leave or
              had left Scientology, but church members besieged him with aggressive
              telephone calls and letters to lure him back.

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              So beautiful (sniff).

            • Espiando

              I’m going to assume that you’re an OSA operative in his sixties whose penis sadly doesn’t work anymore instead of a mentally retarded girl who was somehow given Net access as some form of warped therapy. So, I can, with a clear conscience, go into my normal repertoire without veering into pedophilic incest territory.

              Yaude, it’d be more productive if you used your hands to play with your noodle-like weewee instead of typing stuff here. We’ve already had our fill of idiots for the evening, and most of us are ready to hit the hay. Seriously, you stupid fuck, can’t you find anything to do in the middle of LA at 9:30 on a Saturday night? Get a hooker or something and put it on your OSA expense account. Live dangerously. Go off and do you normal routine of blowing golden retrievers; you haven’t been taking care of the Fifth Dynamic enough lately. Just don’t bother with the Internet anymore. Your bitch boss is about to get deposed down in Texas, and you lost this when you invaded our territory in 2008.

              This ain’t 1995 anymore. This blog ain’t a.r.s. Your shit doesn’t work.

              Now that, Scilon, is communication.

            • AceLace

              I think most of what you say is over my head! But it sounds funny! Lots of inside humour in these parts I’m sure! You’re a riot, Espiando! I can tell already;)

            • Espiando

              Shut the fuck up. Your cover’s blown, your ass is toast. I spotted you for what you were with that first moronic post, and one of my compatriots downvoted me for my troubles, not relying on my troll-sense.

              Why don’t you try to strengthen your credentials by shaving your crotch with a straight razor and “accidentally” cutting your saggy, decrepit, non-functional cock and balls off?

            • AceLace

              Espiando, you have it wrong! I down voted you, just to be honest since I don’t believe one should curse like you did in civil exchanges, but I will undo my down vote.

            • Rita Gregory

              Giuliano Cocchetti, OT 8, committed suicide

            • Robert Eckert

              What makes you think that Espi is interested in civil exchanges?

            • AceLace

              There is little evidence to support that hypothesis, to be frank.

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              Grown ups here. There’s a note on the door.

            • Rita Gregory

              David Cary
              (29), a Dianetics instructor at Berkeley, CA. He and his wife were
              early followers of Dianetics. He tried to cure his depressed wife of a
              suicide mania. She shot him to death in 1951, then killed herself. – http://www.whyaretheydead.info/david_cary.txt

            • IASREG

              That’s so sad. We have Big Pharma E.D. drugs now. I’ll bet David Miscavige has some squirreled away.

            • Rita Gregory

              Kyle Brennan, born 12 April 1986, son of a Scientology
              father and a Catholic mother, was 20 when he died 17 February 2007 on a
              visit to his father. His father had withdrawn his medication for
              depression (it was found locked in the glove-box of his truck) and left a
              loaded gun in their appartment. When he found Kyle shot, his father allegedly (and typically) called church security before calling an ambulance an hour later. A
              lawsuit (currently ongoing in the Tampa federal court) alleges that
              several senior Scientologists persuaded Kyle’s father to take away his
              Lexapro. The suit, which also names Thomas Brennan as a defendant,
              states that the defendants tried to put Kyle Brennan into a Narconon
              drug treatment program. Kyle Brennan was not a Scientologist. http://kylebrennan.com

            • Rita Gregory

              John Breedlove
              was at Flag Land base in the 1970s. He told his mother he had been
              told by Scientology to commit suicide and that Scientology could get
              anyone to commit suicide if they wanted. He killed himself after he
              left Scientology.

          • EnthralledObserver

            No shedding Blood in the house of Go…er…LRo…er Tony O…er… just go for it…

          • IBBy

            I shouldn’t be laughing so hard at “are you latino?”

            • Espiando

              I work in the food industry in the Chicago area. Odds are really, really good that the answer to that would be “yes”. However, you can go to the cash window if you put money on “no”.

            • IBBy

              I may have to file it away for awhile and just randomly ask you that further down the road.

              are you latino… wtf… *facepalm*

        • Rita Gregory

          John Boucher, a Scientologist for 25-years at the
          prestigious Founding Church of Scientology, Washington (FCDC). He
          committed suicide on 6 May 2001 aged 46 after being destroyed by ethics
          handling.
          He killed himself because they had told him, after 25 years, that he
          was an “illegal pc” because he was a security risk because he was still
          in touch with his father who had once worked for the NSA. The real
          reason was that he could not afford any more courses. He commited
          suicide believing that he would come back in another body and be able to
          get auditing. He wanted Scientology more that he wanted life, or his
          family. John was a true believer with integrity and
          courage. He believed what his “church” told him. And going up the
          Bridge was worth more to him than his family or any other aspect of his
          life. This
          abusive organisation, which knows neither shame nor pity, first denied
          he was a member and then solicited donations for its front group, CCHR,
          at his funeral.

          • AceLace

            Yes, I’ve read that. Very sad. It’s good there is a place like this for you to spread this information to those who aren’t aware of it.

            • Midwest Mom

              Could you be ever so kind as to post the information about the suicides of Scientologists on other forums and to link us to those posts? 🙂 It would be so lovely of you to do so!!!!!

        • ParticleMom

          I’m such a sucker. I wanted to give you a chance…

    • Jimmy Threetimes

      Welcome. New commenters/Scientists are not allowed immediate access to the Bunsen burners.

      • AceLace

        Hi Jimmy! Thanks for your response!
        Is there like a number of posts and/or comments recommended before you aren’t
        no longer considered a new commenter anymore? Nice to be on boared!

        • EnthralledObserver

          Is English not your first language? I notice you seem to struggle with it… in written form at least.

          • AceLace

            Hi Enthralled! Nice to hear from you! Your probably just picking up a bit on my Southern Accent. I could maybe edit my posts a little bit, before I put them up;)

            • Great White Clam

              Fuck. this is a ragtroll

            • Espiando

              So whoever downvoted me can now retract said downvote.

            • AceLace

              I agree, Espiando. I think it’s not gracious or befitting to do a down vote on someone, just for getting something off their chest.

            • Snippy_X

              Anyone else having déjà vu?

              AceLace –> Espiando • 32 minutes ago
              I agree, Espiando. I think it’s not gracious or befitting to do a down vote on someone, just for getting something off their chest.

            • Robert Eckert

              I think I was having déjà vu before.

            • Rita Gregory

              All over again.

            • Rita Gregory

              Jeremy Blake
              (35) and Theresa Duncan (40) who both committed suicide, he by drowning
              in the sea off New Jersey on 17 July 2007. He “went to join the lovely
              Theresa”. They both believed they were being harassed by Scientology; a
              possible reason is their friendship with Beck and his wife, which Beck
              has denied. But opinion remains sharply divided about the role of
              Scientology in this affair.

            • OrangySky

              “Southern accent”?
              So, is the illiteracy ‘Southern’ as well?

              Here is the giveaway:

              “I think I know the posternames of most of the regges who post here, I
              like your work! Just a nice family of comments and insightfulness.”

              This may be the same sock (or an underling of the sock) who has been instructed to a) call the Bunker a ‘family’ – once again, they are hitting the “cult” theme HARD (‘Manson Family’) and possibly b) let us know in true ‘noisy investigation’ style that we are every one of us under scrutiny from the Terrible, Terrifying OSA!

              Davey, your every move has already been played. There is nothing new under the sun because you are just recycling LRH over and over again. Your “confronts and shatters” have the dull flavor of over-chewed gum. FLUNK.

            • Rita Gregory

              Regges for regulars?

            • OrangySky

              Scientologists have “regs” on the brain, poor dears.

            • Graham

              Yes, I thought that mis-spelling was rather telling.

            • AceLace

              It’s just a regional colloquialism from the Old South

            • Midwest Mom

              A southern accent via the written word, but using UK spelling of the word “humour”! Those Chichester gals sure use a lot of exclamation points!!!!! 😉

            • AceLace

              Well, it’s not as if there have been any formal introductions.

            • Midwest Mom

              !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

            • AceLace

              ?

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              We are FAM-I-LY… I got all my sistahs with me…

              (That kind of family?)

            • Graham

              Ooh, ooh
              Ah, Rag Troll ooh, ooh
              Rag Troll, ooh

              (Hand me down)
              When she was just Sea Org her clothes were hand-me-downs
              (Hand me down)
              They always laughed at her when she came into town

              Called her Rag Troll
              Little Rag Troll
              Such a pretty face
              Should be dressed in lace

              Ooh, ooh
              Ah, Rag Troll ooh, ooh
              Rag Troll, ooh

              (Apologies to the Four Seasons)

            • Rita Gregory

              LOL!

            • Rita Gregory
        • Great White Clam

          Hey, babe everybody is a boared clam commentator in these kneck of the woulds!!!

          JK

          • AceLace

            Hi Clam! Thanks for your note! I think the comments here are the best. Are you in or out of the Church?

            • EnthralledObserver

              I was just going to ask you the same question…

            • AceLace

              Hi Enthralled again! I made a part in my first post about not being a Scientology Church Member, so not yet anyway! Hope not at least:)

            • EnthralledObserver

              I saw that portion that seemed to say you weren’t, but it wasn’t that clear, hence my question about English not being your first language.

            • Great White Clam

              Go JOIN then report back, OK?

            • EnthralledObserver

              So, apart from your calling them a ‘Church’ when they clearly aren’t, what’s your take on the CO$?

            • Rita Gregory

              Gregory S. Bashaw,
              46, a successful journalist and OT7, who committed suicide in his car
              on 23 June 2001 after 20 years of Scientology courses, auditing and
              training. He was having a problem with body thetans and could not
              accept the help of anyone outside Scientology, but Scientology, having
              got him into a mess, did not want to know anything about him. Greg was a
              talented, very lovable person who left behind a wife and teenage son.
              But he died broke, deeply in debt, unemployed and beyond help, having
              been excommuncicated by the vampire church to which he had dedicated his
              entire adult life. Greg Bashaw is one of the more notable victims of
              the vampire cult.

            • AceLace

              I read about that. Very tragic.

            • Great White Clam

              YES!

            • Great White Clam

              Spoonboy;

              Realize only that there is no “church”

            • Rita Gregory

              Flo Miller Barnett –
              a notorious “suicide”. She was David Miscavige’s mother-in-law, and
              had fallen out with him and with her daughter. She threatened to sue
              Scientology. She died on 8 September 1985 having been shot three times
              in the chest and once in the head by a gun almost as long as she was.

        • Rita Gregory

          Dale Susan Bogen, who died of strychnine poisoning in
          November 1984. Her death was so dreadful that the manipulators told her
          friend she had died of CO poisoning in her car, after blocking the
          exhaust with a rag. In fact she swallowed gopher poison, and if you
          block a car exhaust with anything the engine immediately stalls. In
          1984 she had done the Introspection rundown – isolation and vitamins –
          Hubbard’s cure for psychosis – at ASHO.

          • AceLace

            Dear Rita, you are going to give yourself an aneurysm if you type so much for each one of my little posts. I don’t deserve all the attention. I have read that case too, and indeed all the other cases you’ve typed up with such haste. All very tragic indeed.

            • Rita Gregory
            • AceLace

              12-5

            • Midwest Mom

              Lucky for Rita, aneurysms aren’t caused from typing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

              Guess what??

      • Great White Clam

        Fuck. Now we have to contend with scientists, to?

        • Snippy_X

          I think they meant ex-Scientist.

          • Robert Eckert

            Maybe she meant “nucular physicist”?

          • Jimmy Threetimes

            Their original post said “But I was never a commenter or a Scientist. Until now!!!!!!”

          • IASREG

            That’s where the customers that will BOOM the orgs are coming from, ex-scientists who have rejected the cult of Science and the stupid Scientific Method of research for the exact workable solutions of Scientology and LRH research techniques of…uhhh massive amounts of pinks and greys.

    • Great White Clam

      Ever heard the HOLY $cientology encantation; YSCOHB?

      Apparently clams pray this prayer.

      Aer you a clam? Have you ever been a clam?

    • IBBy

      See, you couldve had a good start and fooled some of us for a little bit, BUT, had you truly been a lurker and knew our names and styles of comments, you wouldnt have tried flirting with Espi, or been overly bubbly. You stick out too much. Your game is weak. So close. Actually not close at all

      • AceLace

        Hi Ibby! I appreciate your advice! Will try to be less stick-outish:)

        • Rita Gregory

          Did you know L. Ron Hubbard had THREE wives?
          Mary Sue Hubbard
          (m. 1952–1986)
          Sara Northrup Hollister
          (m. 1946–1951)
          Margaret Grubb
          (m. 1933–1947)

          • AceLace

            He never had a second wife.

            • IBBy

              Sara Elizabeth Bruce Northrup Hollister (April 8, 1924 – December 19, 1997[1]) was the second wife of L. Ron Hubbard, from 1946 to 1951, and wife of Miles Hollister from 1951 to her death in 1997.[2] She had one daughter, Alexis Valerie, fathered by Hubbard in 1948.

              Ronnie was a bigamist to add to his long list of accolades

            • Sir Hemet TC Burlwood, VIII

              You tell em Lacey! He never had any children either! And Mr David Miscavige never had a first wife named Shelly! And the new e-meters don’t cost $5,000! And all the ideal orgs are completely full! More and more people are joining Scientology every day because it has earned such a good reputation! Right Lacey!

            • AceLace

              He had a third wife

            • IBBy

              His third wife would be his second wife if the second wife didnt exist. except she did. Her name was Sara

            • AceLace

              He only had a 1st and a 3rd wife.

            • Baby

              ACE.. How in God’s name.. seriously could he have a 3rd wife without having a 2nd wife?

              I am NOT following you.. And why do I get the feeling you are Hearsaying everything we say..

              Do you know what Hearsaying means? This is a Bunker Test

            • AceLace

              He said it himself – skip to 13:20 in the video

              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_w-YWwC1lI

            • Baby

              OK I’M DONE.. STICK A FORK IN ME DONE.. GOODBYE..FAREWELL.. DONE.. BUH BYE DON’T LET THE DOOR HIT YOU IN THE ASS ON THE WAY OUT DONE..

            • AceLace

              You didn’t skip to 13:20 did you

            • Baby

              This is my LAST reply to you. You couldn’t pay me to watch this Lying Ass Hole con artist evil cruel fucktard.. and no you haven’t enturbulated me..

              So many lives have been ruined because of this fuckin bastard. I don’t believe one thing that comes out of his Drug Induced mouth..

              NOW

              Merry Christmas Dahlink.. Last post. PS You really, really, really suck as a Troll.. Big time suck.. ugh

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              He went straight from first to third? That’s quite a trick.

            • Baby

              Shit 3D I wish I could have done that..

              That would have saved me about 30 wasted years with a real asshat

            • AceLace

              It wasn’t wasted time. Just life.

    • Sandy

    • Rita Gregory

      Arthur Beals, an Australian who was murdered by his Scientologist son Gary on 15 March 1989 (that date again). He and his wife Lawana knew Gary was tormented by voices in his head but he refused to seek psychiatric treatment. At his hearing Gary blamed
      Scientology for his actions. Beals said he had been advised by the
      “Church” against seeking therapy. According to him, the organisation’s members talked him out of accessing professional help while “bleeding dry” his bank accounts.

      Scientology the cult of disbelief | The Daily Telegraph

    • Sir Hemet TC Burlwood, VIII

      The gig is up AceLace. You have provided too many indicators that you are not posting in a honest fashion. The only thing that you can do to gain any credibility is to prove why you “like reading” the “nice collections of comments and insight” on a daily basis. All of the long time readers here have strong opinions about the subject matter that is the focus of this blog. Until you share your opinion, you will be, and should be, seen as liar and a dishonest troll. Your next several posts will now be very clear indicators of your true intent. What’s it going to be, AceLace?

      • AceLace

        You tell me, Mr. Burlywood. The indicators have been laid out in advance for your perusal.

        • Sir Hemet TC Burlwood, VIII

          And there we have it.

        • Rita Gregory
          • AceLace

            Isn’t that exciting! Very good news indeed. At least you’ve responded with something cheerful this time!

            • Rita Gregory

              Michele Diane Miscavige, known as Shelly, is the wife of Church of
              Scientology leader David Miscavige. She has made no public appearances
              since August 2007.

        • Baby

          Do you know about Xenu?

          • AceLace

            Sure! He made the space ghost body lice that infest scientologists! It’s all too tiresome and vulgar to bear repeating. But you know about the volcanos, nuclear bombs, and implanting stations and such and so forth.

        • noseinabk

          My decoder ring is broken. Should I send a SASE to the marcabian confederacy for a new one?

          • Midwest Mom

            Hail, hail, hail Marcabian! !!!!!!!!!!!!

          • AceLace

            I think it still works:)

            • Midwest Mom

              I had fun with you tonight, my Marcabian pal. 😉 Long time, no see!

              You were supposed to bring adult beverages this time, remember? 😉

              Time for some shut eye – Goodnight!

            • AceLace

              Nite, Mom!

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              Night!

              I am heading off to sleep, meself.

            • Baby

              Goodnight .. sweet dreams and all that Jazz..xo

            • AceLace

              Nite, Glib Baby!

  • Espiando

    Scientology communication, as summed up perfectly by one Mr. R. Waters:

    Button your lip
    And don’t let the shield slip
    Take a fresh grip on your bulletproof mask
    And if they try to break down your disguise with their questions
    You can hide, hide, hide
    Behind paranoid eyes

    • Anonymous

      That very distinctly strikes me as something from The Wall, but I can’t place it,

      • Espiando

        “Paranoid Eyes” from The Final Cut.

        • Anonymous

          Then my mistake was understandable. I always liked the Final Cut, but I’m more familiar with The Wall. In any case, Hubbard designed Scientology to build walls, while Rogers set out to destroy them. I imagine the latter wouldn’t have a very high opinion about the cult.

    • Great White Clam

      Can’t hide is more like somewhere over the rainbow tone scale isnt it? Like going over the rainbow?

  • Great White Clam

    Well there is command and conmtrol. I will stipulete that.

    • Cece

      OK – Whatever that means? OK so we are all bigger. I think I thought that thought before. I want us all just to be friends in this little bitsy bit of inhumanity that has touched our life’s. There is so much more to help fix. But meanwhile thx for being there and helping heeling us. … us all wayward scientologists that thought we were doing our best and had the whole would in our hands. I see I was wrong. But will I give up? No. I will speak and speak and speak and say what I want. It’s my/our right.
      I need to get a blog 🙂

  • Great White Clam

    Damit. Somebody better get back quick before we lose her!

  • DamOTclese2

    I’m going to be spending the night on Mount Waterman at Twin Peaks, assuming I can hike up there in the dark. 🙂 In the morning I’ll try to get a photograph of the Shawn Lonsdale rest bench and brass plate.

    • Jimmy Threetimes

      Be safe and stay clear of cougars. They will go from fun to clingy to stalker before you even have a chance to pedal away.

    • Espiando

      Please do. Shawn is too sadly overlooked these days.

    • Cece

      Ah jeeezzs nice! Lookin forward to the shot.

    • Cece
    • Baby

      RIP Shawn.. We’re tryin Buddy.. and it is looking better every day.. Fuck Them.. Fuck what they did to you.

      We are fighting every day. Just the mention of your name brought tears to my eyes.

      • DamOTclese2

        I was not able to get up there, too busy with things going on down below, but hopefully Monday I can get up there.

  • Cece

    Ah to DamOTclese2
    Go for it! Get whatever you want and don’t be cold. Fun and share with us as you are cold? No – we have rods that will warm you up.
    🙂
    Ces

  • SandiCorrena

    Ok everyone I’ve got slickers and umbrellas for bunkerites; I believe the spittle/clam shells/and who knows what else is fixing to fly around here…

  • Sherbet

    I’m in the minority here, but most of you know I don’t think it’s worthwhile to engage in discussions with trolls or apologists. There’s something else that strikes me as nonproductive: trying to identify trolls. Why so many posts about who they might be? Does it really matter? It all plays into their sense of “Oh, boy, I’m enturbulating the Bunker!” It’s a waste of Bunker space. Does anyone agree?

    • ThetaBara

      Yes. Well, I agree that the metadiscussion is a waste of space and that it inflates their self-importance (and probably their stats). But I also see some merit in mentioning things they aren’t supposed to know about. Then again, Ignore Tech probably makes them go away faster. Not that we’ll ever find out. Too bad there is no “ignore user” function. That and PMs would really be helpful.

      • Sherbet

        I know Espi and others do a great — and amusing — job of chewing them up, but my only concern is the trolls get exactly what they want, which is a derail.

        • Snippy_X

          In general, I agree with you, but there wasn’t really anything to derail tonight. People were just hanging out. It was kind of boring actually til the troll showed up. No big reading assignment either.

          • Sherbet

            It’s happening a lot lately, even when there is a good topic to discuss. Anyway, I always say there should be no rules here, and free speech is the way to go. I’m not making rules for anyone. But if it turns into a flame war, and regular posters leave, even temporarily, then the trolls win. So I’ll never see the point. Carry on, all you who do see the point or are having fun with it. I just sit it out.

            • noseinabk

              Hi Sherb!
              What happened today is very different from the SOS kind of troll. I do not mind the trolls so much as the pile ons. That is why I see your point. 50 reply’s to 1 troll comment are a huge waste of time. If Bury or Espi or someone are dealing with the troll, I think its best to just let them go. They do not need help obviously. 😎

            • Sherbet

              Boy, are you exactly right! Espi and Bury are the Green Berets in the Bunker, and they can handle themselves nicely.

            • AceLace

              That Espiando is a riot! Great sense of humor.

            • ParticleMom

              He is!!!!! And what a cute name!!!! *insert eye roll*

            • Baby

              Yeah he’s a real hoot.. a riot and a half.. In fact he charges a cover on Sat. nights.

            • Midwest Mom

              Why did you change the spelling of “humour” to “humor”???

              Don’t you think that L. Ron Hubbard was a vile and hideously evil creature??? He was such a wretched man and truly ugly!!!

              Do you want to join my Psychiatrists and Psychologists Fan Club??? It’s super fun and we get to find out about all of the latest psyche drugs!!!

              Do you support Big Pharma??? Aren’t you happy that Scientologists are so weak that they can’t stop Big Pharma??? I am so happy that the CCHR is a failure, aren’t you???

            • AceLace

              “Don’t you think that L. Ron Hubbard was a vile and hideously evil creature?”
              Of course, the record is evidentiary.

            • Midwest Mom

              S. St. Claire loooves to use the word evidentiary. You have sooooo much in common!!!

        • IASREG

          With the volume of posts here it takes a really dedicated troll to keep a derail going. Way too many well informed posters here who keep pushing derail threads down into the pile and responding to derail attempts with relevant to the topic info.

        • Robert Eckert

          The actual topic today was Scientologists’ inability to communicate honestly. The trolls were, pretty much, the topic.

        • SandiCorrena

          I appreciate the expertise of Espi and some others because for example one tonight would have blown right by me with their 1st post; within such a short time though Espi or some of the others, through whatever gifts they possess, expose them so well I end up wondering how I missed the tell in the first place.

    • IASREG

      It might be useful to engage actual Scientology trolls, but there seem to be very few of them active, engage them with information, return them to the topic of whatever article, perhaps sparking that ‘cognition’ that helps them decide to leave. Other trolls don’t have the same motive, so engaging them probably is meaningless. They realize by now, or should, that they have little effect on the discussion of Scientology, but that’s not why they troll. Long have the identities of trolls been speculated upon, some identified, many socks remain unknown. It doesn’t really matter who they are as it is their behavior that would get them banned. Knowing if one person is making it a habit to troll and flame and get banned is the only real benefit I can see for connecting socks.

      • Sherbet

        Coming up on 2 years of first VV and then the Bunker, I can’t think of any time where a troll had that Aha! moment or even conceded that they had changed one tiny atom of their mind about scientology. Most start ugly, and they stay ugly. I think you’re giving them too much credit for having light dawn on them. You are very articulate, and you hope to make a difference with your sense of reason. I say, Ain’t gonna happen. My opinion only.

        • Baby

          I agree.. Tory was one in a million.. But Tony’s posts and our comments.. That is the key!

          • Rita Gregory

            I think they already have to have doubts, as Tory did.

        • IASREG

          One comment probably won’t have that effect on anyone deep into a cult. It probably didn’t work that way with Tory either. It was more likely a cumulative effect of many, many things, but her communication with Andreas Heldal-Lund definitely was a big motivator for her. With GAT2 being dumped on them in a pretty nasty way perhaps the cumulative effect will make them look deeper. Maybe it won’t have any effect and they will stick it out til Scientology implodes or maybe they will decide to blow. It seems hopeless but Leah Remini blew, Marty and Mike fled even though they spent decades deep in the rabbit hole, many who we will probably never even hear of probably are thinking right now about quitting. They may just be lurking and not trolling.

      • Baby

        You know IAS I agreed at one time.. but you know they are getting desparate..and will just change usernames..It is just too easy..

        So I am done.. But I did appreciate your help..I admit I got caught up in it..and right now..I don’t give a shit.. Because.. We are the Bunker.. and We can identify trolls..

        We will stick with just NOT FEEDING THEM.. PERIOD. smooches..

        ( unless it’s a slow night and we are bored and want entertainment..)

        • IASREG

          Ultimately no amount of trolling is going to be able to polish the turd of Scientology PR and trolling on the side, however tangentially, of COS pays off in zero lulz.

        • Sherbet

          How about I get you a puppy?

          • Baby

            OK… Sherb.. You know my weakness.. OMG.. My ruin..has been exposed.

            • Sherbet

              A puppy will cure your boredom. And when he grows up and has big, sharp teeth, you can sic him on trolls! 😀

            • Rita Gregory

              Now, now no violence Sherb! 😀

            • Baby

              Hahahaha.. I go over to my neighbor’s puppy place 3 xs a week for my puppy fix..

              I may be traveling with her pretty soon to bring home a litter of little yorkies.. She only gets them from reputable dealers..when they are weaned ..

              and raises them at home .. for a little bit and then she sells them. She also rescues dogs.. and places them for adoption for just the fee of the shots..

              I am in Heaven..

            • Rita Gregory

              OH! Wittle yorkies are sooooooo cute!

            • Baby

              I KNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW! GIMMEE DEM PUPPPPIES

              I love 3 things.. 1. Puppies 2. Babies 3. Pie ( In that order)

            • Rita Gregory

              1.Babies 2. Pie 3. Puppies.

    • Snippy_X

      Tory posted a good paragraph about this down thread. All that activity you mention ups their stats. But their stats are imaginary things to begin with, so I’m not sure there is any real “benefit” to them, as long as we don’t turn into total jackasses during the scuffles. People here have already read the articles and court documents. They can’t undo that.

      • noseinabk

        Exactly. I agree with Sherb in part because some of the trolling is just tedious and boring. I do not care about the derails and sometimes get a kick out of them.
        As you said, the article is still going to be up for all to see.

    • Baby

      Yes.. I stopped.. I should not have taken so much time. I apologize.

      • Sherbet

        No, no, no, dear GlibBaby (LOL). I don’t make rules, and every Bunkerite should do what s/he wants to (within reason, which means short of being kicked out by The Proprietor). So you don’t need to apologize to me or anyone for your postings.

        • Baby

          Oh Sherbie..I was just saying I got carried away..and like I just posted.. Shit they’ll just change Avis and names..

          It’s like Whack a Mole.. So I won’t be posting any stories anymore.. They can’t be reasoned with.. Although on Radar brought a couple really nice people with me..

          ( Ok maybe a couple of trolls too..) hell I don’t know… but I absolutely agree.. and the thought they think for one minute that they are enturbulating us…hahahhaha What a Fuckin joke..

          NOT you, but them thinking it.

          • Sherbet

            I think the stories you posted recently are poignant and need to be repeated, even for long-time Bunkerites. If we forget why we’re here, we lose.

            • Rita Gregory

              Thanks Sherb! I think that is the best way to handle them. Or just ignore them.

            • Sherbet

              I said yesterday, I think, that what works for me, personally, is not reading those ugly posts. When I see a recognizable troll name with a lot of down votes, I just skip by the post. Otherwise, I know I’ll get angry and want to jump into the fray. And it prolongs the troll’s influence on the Bunker. But that’s what I do, and I’m not insisting that everyone do the same thing. Again, my main issue with engaging trolls is, I see no point to it and it wastes space here. That’s all.

            • Rita Gregory

              It rarely makes me angry anymore, which could change, lol. I like giving out a fact and then ignoring them. It gives the lurkers something to read and research for themselves.

            • Baby

              Rita.. It’s actually a case by case basis.. Like some people can identify Trolls easily.. and we are a welcoming group.. and then BAM

              They’re flirting with Espi.. hahahah

            • IBBy

              that was her biggest mistake and giveaway

            • Baby

              And you know what Sherb.. Recognizable trolls are one thing..

              and Newbies who have been lurking forever ( as they say) are another.. so we all have to be on our toes..

            • Snippy_X

              I flip flop, depending on what else is going on. Sometimes it is down right annoying if you are trying to follow a real discussion, but someone pointed out that the minus sign in the upper right hand corner collapses the whole thread. It works pretty well to bypass the nonsense, if your not in the mood.

            • Sherbet

              Good idea. I had forgotten that hint, Snippy.

          • IASREG

            No, you did good. They will post regardless, they wouldn’t be trolls if they didn’t.

          • Sherbet

            Whack a Mole is a great analogy, Baby.

      • Rita Gregory

        Stop it baby. I’m gonna stick to post a fact and ignore. You do what you feel is best.

        • Baby

          haahhahaha.. OH Rita you are cute.. No Sherbet didn’t stop me.. I stopped me..When I went to watch a movie..I thought ..

          Trolls are going to show up.. Whether they are unhealthy NeverIns or OSA etc.

          It doesn’t matter… they will just change their avis and names.. and so when I read Sherb I thought..that is how I feel right now..

          So Sherb and my mind just were in sync.. xo ..

          But I look at it this way.. also the stories on here from deaths ( thank you for posting) they aren’t going to read..( Just brainstorming here)

          Now on Radar.. the public will read.. and those who came to read gossip will read ours and think WTF.. but here..

          the lurkers and public already know how we feel..and they are snooping around the other anti scn. sites.. getting very educated..

          so I will stick to Radar only.. What cha think?

          • Rita Gregory

            We get lurkers and under the radars here too. So when I feel like it I’ll probably post facts then move on. Some days I’m not going to feel like it so then I’ll ignore. Radar is a good place for the public who may not know about any of this so I think that’s a good place to do this also. Love ya Baby! 🙂

            • Baby

              Oh Rita you’re my girl.. we make a great team..xo

    • Jimmy Threetimes

      I agree. I have been guilty of going overboard on ‘troll-hunting’ as well. But it is getting out of hand. People are discussing which troll is which even while the board is not being trolled in that moment. “6dog” is mentioned despite never posting here under that name and he manages to disrupt the comments just by trolling radaronline. He must be laughing about that. From now on, I will simply ignore. I urge everyone else to do the same. If you want to copy/paste information that Scientologists shouldn’t read, go right ahead, but please be concise with the wording so that its continual spamming doesn’t bog down the board.

      Whether a troll is the dreaded OSA boogeyman or merely a bored teenager, they are inevitably looking for one thing: your reaction. If you do not not respond at all, or refuse to give them the response they’re looking for, they will not get what they wanted and expected from the exchange. They will become frustrated and leave, or be forced to change up their tactics. Keeping to a solid policy of ignoring or using copy/pasta responses will still beat anything else they can come up with.

      • Sherbet

        Jimmy, may I kiss you?? 🙂

        • Jimmy Threetimes

          I am Irish. Sure. 🙂

          • Sherbet

            LOL

          • Baby

            hahahhahaa..I’m done too Jimmy.. Who gives a shit.. We are in the Bunker and that is a good place to be..

        • SandiCorrena

          He is standing right under the mistletoe!

          • Sherbet

            Merry Christmas to Sherb!

          • Rita Gregory

            Jimmy needs mistletoe? 😉

        • Baby

          Well shit I basically said the same thing as Jimmy and I didn’t get a kiss..

          Wait.. I got a puppy.. Nevermind..

    • Lurkness

      Agree!!! Do NOT feed the trolls. Ignore tech is powerful. Post facts if appropriate, but please move on and leave it at that. My two cents.

    • Sibs

      Also these comments are not fun to scroll through.

  • Sherbet

    It’s 2 a.m. where I am. Heading for bed. You can talk about me when I’m gone. 😉 Mwah!

    • noseinabk

      I was going to talk about you but you ruined it by giving us permission. *arms crossed* * pouting*

      • Sherbet

        Aha! My reverse psychology plan worked! Goodnight, Bunker folk.

        • Rita Gregory

          Night Sherb, pleasant dreams!

        • Midwest Mom

          Hip, Hip, Hooray for psychology!

          • Rita Gregory

            Yes! Hip, Hip, Hooray indeed!

      • Rita Gregory

        Really, what fun is that? 😉

    • Baby

      Night sweetie pie..xox We’re just brainstorming all of us..It’s all good..

  • Rita Gregory

    Does anyone here think that $cientology will manage to get tax exempt status in the UK?

    • Midwest Mom

      They will certainly try!

      • Rita Gregory

        I wonder if DMass will want to throw money and effort into that? He has all these court cases going and as Tony said above there aren’t that many $cientologist in the UK anymore.

        • Midwest Mom

          Yep. He’ll hire big wig barristers to handle it!

          • Rita Gregory

            He’s the gift that keeps on giving isn’t he? He will bring the place down faster than any of us critics could.

    • Great White Clam

      I do not think so.

    • Scream Nevermore

      No, They would pass the charity test, and that’s what would get them that status. The local councils who have been going easy on them for business rates have been told to stop. If anything this should cost them more money.

  • Sarah James

    Just wondering- if I touch the minus sign does that delete a post?

    • Rita Gregory

      No it collapses it so you don’t have to look at it. I use it all the time.

      • Sarah James

        TY and I will be useing it too. I’m a little tired today but I’ve been checking over here and I must say you, Baby and the rest of the Bunker handle the trolls and OSA very well. A few days ago Baby made some very good points about not feeding them and I have taken that advice to heart. It helps that I am blocked from radaronline for two or three days after I place a post. Do you know if anyone else shares this reward? 🙂

        • Rita Gregory

          No, not for sure. It seems I saw someone posted they were suspended for a few days there but I don’t know who.

        • Rita Gregory

          Thanks, I don’t care for the flame wars but I do like to post a fact then move on. EDIT: Other than the entertainment value….

          • Sarah James

            I think that does a lot of good. I have been asking people to come here for information. If they get the facts they gain more than my just telling them. We want to spare as many from this cult as possible. Want to protect their children and grandchildren from this cult…it’s why everyone should care.

        • Baby

          Weird Sarah.. I mean really weird.. hmmmm I can’t imagine..

          • Sarah James

            After I post I can go RO but I can’t scroll down to the posts.

            • Baby

              OK now I noticed it does that if I click on a link here.. but if I start from Google uh Hearsay it works fine..

              So google RO get in and then see..

            • Sarah James

              Ok,thanks. Another weird thing was I could answer a post if it was thru discus, but once I left the thread I could not go back.

            • Baby

              try the Hearsay thing Sarah and see how that works..

            • Sarah James

              I am blocked again. Just makes me more determined to say what I am going to say.

            • Baby

              Sarah.. Good God.. Now that is ridiculous.. errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh..

            • Sarah James

              It’s alright just gives me more time to deliver more of a punch with my post.
              I smell the strong odor of a troll.

            • Rita Gregory

              Which thread are you trying to post to?

            • Sarah James

              The cob, David Miscavige.

            • Rita Gregory

              Hmmmm. I can go there with no problem. Maybe restart your computer?

            • Sarah James

              Did that. Only problem is when I go to radaronline, When it let’s me post and I go back again, I’m blocked.

            • Rita Gregory

              I’m stumped.

            • Sarah James

              Will see if it is happening to others. I check several times a day when I do get on I will make it count.

            • AceLace

              Either delete your cookies and cache, or try a different browser like Firefox or Chrome. If that doesn’t work, they may have logged your IP address, and then you will need to use a proxy, or a friend’s computer.

            • Sarah James

              The one before that thread, I was able to reply to “guest” because of discus.

  • Midwest Mom

    Hail Marcabian!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Baby

      hahahhahaha Yes.. HELL HELL !!!!!!

  • Baby

    OH and ACELACE is our troll tonight Just in case you haven’t run across her yet..

    • Rita Gregory

      That reminds me of going to a restaurant. “Hi! I’m George and I’ll be your server tonight.” 🙂

      • Baby

        haahhahahahah.. that is funny Rita..

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      I am posting in my sleep. In that stubborn “Must-Go-To-Bed-But-I-Can-Stay-Up-If-I-Want” mode.

      • Baby

        hahahah.. Welcome to my world 3D

      • Robert Eckert
        • Baby

          You Absolutely Nailed it Robert.. My husband could be the Artist of this piece..hahahha

          EDITED: Just showed my husband and then my comment and he said.. ” YES!”

    • Scream Nevermore

      Damn trolls are only ever here when I’m asleep!

      • Baby

        Hahahaha.. OK that’s it.. Night scream..night everyone..xo

  • Douglas D. Douglas

    Good night!

    See you all in the Sunday Funny Papers!

    • Baby

      OMG OK that was good.. I’ll give you that one.. ha night D

  • Sarah James

    Thanks Rita and Baby, I’m off to dream land also. Take care.

  • Rita Gregory

    These old arthritic hands are hurting kids so I’ll see you later today. 🙂

    • Scream Nevermore

      I feel your pain Rita – literally. I think getting dressed is going to be a challenge today! Take it easy!

  • InterestedinCrazy

    I thought I’d post up an article I found in today’s Irish Independent about the Celebrity Centre Christmas party. It’s not as critical as I’d like it to be, however, Sci has such a small measly presence in Ireland it’s not surprising. Sandwiched between a hairdresser and a travel agent…oooh solo IDEAL!

    64 Middle Abbey Street, Dublin, 1, IE

    Just very strange to ever see any articles on Sci in the mainstream press here. As you can see, it mentions the recent UK decision erroneously, If I am to understand it correctly. The UK did not accept Sci as a religion, just said that people could be married in Sci Orgs, is that right?

    http://www.independent.ie/woman/inside-the-scientology-celebrity-centre-christmas-party-29839607.html

    • aquaclara

      That is correct. I think they will continue to push for that next, though.
      Boy, they really do a spin on Christmas for a religion that doesn’t believe in Christ. Thanks for sharing…

    • InterestedinCrazy

      My post over there got sent for moderation. I think it’s because I included a link to here.

      FYI, they are on disqus too so please feel free to comment over there!

      • Graham

        Mine’s in moderation too. Very probably they moderate all comments. Here’s what I put:

        The ‘religious recognition’ it’s been granted under the law in England and Wales is very limited. It relates to their ability to conduct weddings. They have not so far been granted charitable status for tax purposes and are unlikely to be so as they would have to pass some kind of ‘doing works for the public good’ test. If you read the British press Scientology is widely seen as a nutty cult and the government seems very determined that they should not get access to tax money via tax concessions.

        On the one hand this legal judgement has set an interesting precedent. On the other hand there are only 2 418 Scientologists in England & Wales according to the recent national census, so presumably this will have a very limited impact.

        • InterestedinCrazy

          http://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/2009/12/04/scientology-organisation-so-critical-update/

          Last guess by Sci Dub is 500 members in Ireland. I’m going to look at the CSO (Central Statistics Office to see if I can confirm or deny!)…

          • hansje brinker

            That’s more than I thought.
            In Holland about 350 members. ( and not all active!)

            • InterestedinCrazy

              500 was estimate from Dub Org themselves…it’s probably more like 200, but I cannot confirm that.

            • hansje brinker

              I got it!.

            • MaxSpaceman

              Good! The less the better!
              Tot Ziens!!

          • Scream Nevermore

            This says they have a mission in Belfast – so, are the Catholic Scientologists, or Protestant Scientologists?? (NB that’s a joke based on some very one humour here about the religious divide in NI and the West Coast of Scotland!)

            • MaxSpaceman

              Yo Scream N – could you brief me (us) on what the religious divide is on West Coast of Scotland? Very few people have even heard of that. Thank you~

            • Scream Nevermore

              Pretty much the same as it is in NI. It’s no longer as blatant as it was – I remember being told not to tell anyone what school I went to, as it was a way for them to work out my religion. We have Orange Walks just like them too. Here it seems to have been subsumed into supporting one or other of the two main football teams in Glasgow. I have no time for it myself, but lots of my countrymen would disagree with me.

            • MaxSpaceman

              A historic rift between Protestants and Catholics in the West of Scotland.
              Dang- I didn’t know.
              To me it is one of the great horror/mysteries of life on planet earth. That those Caucasian people can’t figure out how to share countries and get along.

            • Robert Eckert

              So the old joke is: a gang of toughs surrounds a guy and demands to know “Are you a Catholic or a Protestant?” Not sure which the gang is, he thinks it safest to reply “I’m an atheist.” So they ask, “But are you a Catholic atheist or a Protestant atheist?”

            • Baby

              hahah Tough Crowd here tonight Robert..

              I’m Old and have never heard it before.. so you got a chuckle out of me..

            • Jo

              That old joke is so true. I’ve been asked if I’m Catholic or Protestant many times cause my parents are from different religions. When I say I’m not religious, the response is usually, “Religion has nothing to do with it, are you Catholic or Protestant?”.

            • Jo

              I dont think their here in Northern Ireland, yippee. Yelp reviews from 2010 and sad org pic 🙂 http://www.yelp.co.uk/biz/church-of-scientology-mission-of-belfast-belfast

            • Jo

              Belfast ideal morgue pic, will have to repost for Sunday Funnies, lol.

      • Scream Nevermore

        Posts are up now.

    • Scream Nevermore

      My comment went straight to moderation – this must be a new rule! And is the Dublim ‘mission’ above the hairdressers??

      • InterestedinCrazy

        To my shame I cannot confirm that…because I live about three hours away I’ve never been to protest yet!
        It’s definitely either the doorway between the two shops or above one of them?

        • Scream Nevermore

          I’ve been in Dublin loads of times, and never noticed them! I’m looking at it on Google maps.. The mission is number 63 according to them. So above the travel agent – does the yellow sign say Church of Scientology and Dianetics? Here’s a pic.

    • InterestedinCrazy
  • DodoTheLaser

    Is there a special drill in scientology on how to answer deposition questions?
    Because someone in RTC might have to “confront and shutter” that in less then a week.

  • Scream Nevermore

    Speaking of trolls Lifter1968 has tried to engage me in conversation again. Don’t think I’ll bother. Sciloon or not, he’s the one we Bunker Ladies get really bad (and not in a good way!) vibes from.

    • DodoTheLaser

      When see the troll – ignore.
      Or troll back. And then ignore.

      • Scream Nevermore

        My hands are very sore today, so have little or no time to waste on trolls. At least until the painkillers kick in a bit!

        • DodoTheLaser

          Sorry. Feel better soon.

          • Scream Nevermore

            I will, once I take possession of my new robot body. The one built to look like Charlize Theron. 😉

            • DodoTheLaser

              Just don’t tell that to Charlize.

  • i-Betty

    O/T: We watched the latest Hobbit film last night. Has anyone else spotted the Anonymous reference?

    • Anonymous

      I saw it last night too and vaguely remember something like that. Can you refresh my memory?

      • i-Betty

        It’s when the chief orc shrieks at Gandalf: “He is everywhere! We are legion!” just before Sauron regenerates. 🙂

        • Anonymous

          That may very well have been it, but I have to wonder if I also saw a Guy Fawkes mask somewhere.

  • Molar Mountre

    That Creed at the beginning of this entry sounds a lot like it was cribbed from Aliester Crowley’s “Liber OZ.” But in the end, only just a small part of Liber OZ, so as not to give people too many freedoms. (3. Man has the right to think what he will:to speak what he will: to write what he will: to draw, paint, carve, etch, mould, build as he will: to dress as he will.) It is well documented that Hubbard stayed with Thelemites like Jack Parsons, so it is no surprise he would steal the works of Crowley to use in his own black magick.

    • MaxSpaceman

      Bingo, MM. From before Parsons, through Parson, and on into the 1960s, Hubblard stole and stole. To make the best money-making machine he could devise. Offering those souls “immortality” for the price of giving him most/all their money for the rest of their lives.

  • Jgg2012

    By the way, the “chapels” in Las Vegas are not tax-exempt. They do, however, suffice for the purpose of oath taking and thus are recognized marriage ceremonies, and I think a similar reasoning is going on in the UK.

  • peakofelephants

    “and that no agency less than God has the power to suspend or set aside these rights”

    …Except that “God” is some sort of “implanted” idea from Incident II, right?..