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Jon Atack and a Special Guest Wrestle with Gerry Armstrong’s Legal Scientology Nightmare

Gerry_Armstrong2Jon Atack is the author of A Piece of Blue Sky, one of the very best books on L. Ron Hubbard and Scientology. He has a new edition of the book for sale, and on Saturdays he’s helping us sift through the legends, myths, and contested facts about Scientology that tend to get hashed and rehashed in books, articles, and especially on the Internet.

Last week, we asked Jon to help us understand Gerry Armstrong’s past — which is one of the most complex in Scientology history. Jon explained that Gerry had been a young Sea Org member who discovered an amazing trove of original documents that L. Ron Hubbard had amassed over many years. He saved the collection of documents from the shredder, and then got permission to begin archiving it. But the contents of that archive shocked Armstrong: it tended to undercut every claim Hubbard had made about his history, and threatened to seriously harm the reputation of the man who had created Scientology.

Disillusioned by what he had found, Armstrong nevertheless was committed to helping Omar Garrison, a writer who had been hired to pen an official biography of Hubbard. And he was still committed to that project when everything went sour. Years of litigation ensued, and that litigation is complex. In order to tell it, Jon brought in an expert to help us get through this next portion of the Armstrong saga.

JON: Gerry left Scientology on December 12, 1981, after making every effort to correct the many falsehoods promulgated by L. Ron Hubbard about his exploits. He made sure, however, to deliver by that date copies of many documents that Omar Garrison needed for the biography that Garrison was writing of Hubbard. The documents included copies of Hubbard journals, letters, the hypnotic Affirmations, and magic ceremonies (such ceremonies include the bizarre Blood Ritual, where Hubbard dedicated himself to the service of the black goddess, Hathor, the destroyer of mankind. Omar Garrison showed me a copy of this deplorable document). Gerry kept nothing for himself.

ScientologyMythbustingDespite leaving the Sea Org, Gerry still communicated with Scientology and Garrison to help with the biography project. In the spring of 1982 he transcribed interview tapes for Garrison, assembled binders of material, and did library research. He did all that not realizing that on February 18, 1982, the church had declared him a “suppressive person.” A second declare was issued in April, and Gerry began to realize that he was being targeted in a “Fair Game” campaign. Knowing Scientology as well as he did, he began to fear for his life and the life of his then wife, Jocelyn.

Omar Garrison also became concerned that the documents in his possession might be targeted, and wanted to ensure the safety of them. Gerry made copies of some of those documents, and sent them to his attorneys for safekeeping. It was these documents that he stored which became the subject of the lawsuit that the church filed against him on August 2, 1982. (It became known as Armstrong 1.) By this time, a Fair Game campaign was in full swing against Gerry.

In the UK, court costs go with the case, but in the US, you have to countersue if you are to recover your own costs, so in October 1982, Gerry filed a cross-complaint.

GERRY ARMSTRONG: The Armstrong 1 cross-complaint was not to recover costs. It was a personal injury case for fraud and abuse for 12.5 years inside, and the Fair Game from the day of my leaving to my filing the suit. Scientology always tries to put people — their opponents, their victims, their customers, their slaves — on the defensive. My cross-complaint put them on the defensive.

JON: The cult proceeded to court for trial of its claim in 1984, having separated the cross-complaint for later trial. In June 1984, after a lengthy and detailed examination of facts, and after hearing some eminent former members, Judge Breckenridge lambasted the cult in his decision, and found entirely in Gerry’s favor. As the good judge put it: “In addition to violating and abusing its own members’ civil rights, the organization over the years…has harassed and abused those persons not within the Church whom it perceives as enemies. The organization clearly is schizophrenic and paranoid, and this bizarre combination seems to be a reflection of its founder L. Ron Hubbard. The evidence portrays a man who has been virtually a pathological liar when it comes to his history, background, and achievements. The writings and documents in evidence additionally reflect his egoism, greed, avarice, lust for power, and vindictiveness and aggressiveness against persons perceived by him to be disloyal or hostile.” The cult appealed this decision, but offered a large settlement to Gerry and other litigants represented by Boston attorney Michael Flynn.

GERRY: The cult did quickly appeal the Breckenridge decision, but the settlement was 2.5 years later. The cult had engaged Michael Flynn in settlement discussions a number of times over the years. These discussions culminated in the December 1986 “global” settlement. The Scientologists paid Flynn a lump sum, and he disbursed that to his clients according to his agreement with each of them.

I can’t say exactly what was in the contracts with the other litigants. I do know from at least three others, however, that Flynn assured them as he assured me that the silence condition was not judicially enforceable. Flynn’s assurance to me that the liquidated damages penalty and the silence condition were not worth the paper they were printed on was key in my signing, and has been key in my refusal to be silenced.

For many years I have been certain that Flynn was right, and told the truth, that the contractual conditions are lawfully unenforceable, and what the Scientologists got the California courts to do later was unlawful.

JON: The settlement came in December 1986. However, the cult maintained its appeal. I saw Gerry in 1988 — we met at a pie shop in San Jose — and he kept diligently to his agreement with the cult, so we talked about anything but Scientology, with one exception.

GERRY: From the first day, after signing the Scientologists’ contract, I spoke with people relatively freely about my experiences and knowledge that the contract prohibited me from speaking about.

The people who might want to talk to me, of course, were people like yourself who also had considerable Scientology-related experience and knowledge. I did not, however, talk to the media or attorneys or make public statements about my experiences or knowledge.

You were at that time serious media because you wrote A Piece of Blue Sky, and did other investigative writing about Hubbard and Scientology. You had completed Blue Sky, and were not looking for more data or facts from me, so our conversation was probably a mix of some kind, with me speaking obliquely to Jon-the-Journalist and relatively freely to Jon-the-Born-Again-Wog.

The Scientologists, meanwhile, kept Fair Game working.

There have been people who have adversely altered their communications with me out of fear of conditions in the Scientologists’ contract. This bugged me at times, because it gave unnecessary credence to the rightness and lawfulness of these conditions, and I tried to argue some people out of that position and their fear.

JON: I told you that I’d finished my book, and when I told you that I’d taken the title from Don Rogers, you immediately said, ‘Let’s Sell These People a Piece of Blue Sky’ — Hubbard’s comment to Rogers about fleecing newcomers with membership grades on the day they opened the first Dianetic Foundation, in 1950.

The change in your demeanour was remarkable. When we first met in 1984, you were gaunt and haunted, now you were relaxed, probably for the first time since you joined the Sea Org, almost two decades earlier.

GERRY: Well, I’d taken up long distance running, in fact trail running, and I was getting strong, fast, and fit.

JON: What brought Gerry back into open conflict with the cult were threats from cult attorney Lawrence Heller in late 1989 after Bent Corydon’s attorney had Gerry served with a subpoena to testify in Bent’s case. Gerry then discovered that the Court of Appeal had just activated the cult’s appeal from Breckenridge. The first action Gerry took, because of the contractual conditions prohibiting it, was to petition the Court to participate in the appeal in which he was the respondent. In March 1990, the Court of Appeal granted Gerry’s petition, and made the secret settlement contract public.

In July, 1991, the Court of Appeal affirmed Breckenridge. That October, the cult filed a motion to enforce the settlement contract. In December, that motion was denied, so Gerry could speak freely about the cult and Hubbard.

In February 1992, the cult sued Gerry in Marin County, where he was working with attorney Ford Greene on various cult-related cases. This is Armstrong 2. This case was transferred to Los Angeles in March.

In July 1993, the cult filed another contract enforcement case in LA. This is Armstrong 3. Later that month, the cult filed a fraudulent conveyance case in Marin County against Gerry and his friend Michael Walton.

This is Armstrong 4. Armstrong 2 and 3 were transferred to Marin County and consolidated with Armstrong 4.

In January 1995, the cult obtained summary judgment for $300,000 in liquidated damages and $334,671.75 in costs. A summary judgment is given without trial. As a general rule, if you can survive the paper mountain tactic and evidence is heard, the cult will lose, such is the horror their own documents arouse. But it is very easy to abuse legal process and keep an opponent locked up in pretrial hearings (‘the law can be used very easily to harass’ as the scripture of Scientology states). None of my own cases was actually heard, save for the first, which allowed the publication of A Piece of Blue Sky. A judge, appointed to review the English legal process, as I was being ploughed under, said ‘The case in English law is that he with the deepest pockets wins.’ Scientology hires the best, and most expensive, lawyers, and if you lose a hearing, you can end up bankrupt. I was charged over £16,000 for a single hearing, through this tactic. By the time I withdrew, in 1996, I was used to spending seven days a week briefing lawyers. Luckily, I was able to escape without signing a gagging order. Tens of other critics have been less fortunate.

Gerry himself was going through difficult times.

GERRY: In 1990, unrelated to Scientology, I had given away all my assets, which included interest in three properties in the San Francisco Bay area hills.

JON: Gerry was forced to file for bankruptcy, in April 1995, which stayed the cult’s collection actions. The cult followed Hubbard’s orders to ‘ruin utterly’ anyone who criticized him or his works. I was bankrupted a month after Gerry. David Mayo suffered a similar fate, as did Ron Lawley, who, with a great deal of my help, had actually won the case brought against him by the cult, after eleven years of pretrial motions. Although Lawley won, the court costs wiped him out. His failure to pay my bill took me down with him.

In July 1995, the cult filed a complaint to prevent discharge of the debt through Gerry’s bankruptcy. This is Armstrong 6. In October 1995, the Court granted a permanent injunction on summary judgment, that is, without hearing evidence.

February 1996 found Gerry in a Bankruptcy Court trial. I went through a similar process in 1995, where I was questioned for four days in open court by a barrister with 28 black file boxes of papers on display (about a ten foot stack). The cult was able to show that I had failed to declare about five dollars, at a legal cost of about ten thousand pounds (which had to be paid later, to recover the rights to A Piece of Blue Sky and my life time’s work from the bankruptcy). In Gerry’s case, the Bankruptcy Court found that the debt to the cult was dischargeable, leaving Gerry unencumbered.

However, in May 1996, the Marin County Court issued a judgment, which ordered Gerry to make payment, in spite of the ruling of the Bankruptcy Court, and issued an injunction against his free speech, so enforcing the silence contract and violating the ‘inviolable’ right to freedom of speech, guaranteed by both the Constitution of the United States of America and the Creed of the Church of Scientology. Gerry appealed this decision in July 1996.

The writing was on the wall, so in January 1997, Gerry went home to Canada.

GERRY: The writing might have been on the wall, but what made me go to Canada was my discovery on the Internet of part of the Scientologists’ submission to the IRS on which the cult’s 1993 tax exemption is based. This webbed part of the submission contained a bunch of black PR on me.

I experienced what I believe is known as freaking out, although I kept it together enough to successfully make my escape.

When I read the Scientologists’ black PR to the IRS, I understood the billions of dollars of importance they were putting on silencing me. I also understood that the IRS knew the Scientologists submission contained numerous false statements, but had nevertheless granted the undeserved tax exemption. I suspect that people from the US Federal Government influenced the Marin Court judge to unlawfully silence and punish me in violation of the Constitution.

I left California, and the US, to be able to speak freely about the black PR to the IRS, and about anything else I wanted. Time has proven my decision correct. In Canada, and in virtually every country in the world, the Scientologists’ contract, liquidated damages penalty, and injunction are lawfully judicially unenforceable.

The contract, liquidated damages penalty and injunction are also lawfully judicially unenforceable in the US, but there the courts have unlawfully judicially enforced them.

JON: A month later, the cult applied for an order to show cause, re contempt. That March the Bankruptcy Court discharged Gerry’s debt.

In August 1997, the court issued an arrest warrant for Gerry, with bail set at $5,000. Gerry filed an opening brief in August, appealing against both the injunction and the liquidated damages penalty.

In November, the cult filed a motion to dismiss this appeal. The next month, the cult applied for an order to show cause, regarding the contempt. Gerry’s appeal was dismissed that same month.

In February 1998, the Marin County Court signed a contempt order, sentencing Gerry to 26 days in jail and $2,600 fine for thirteen breaches. This is the second contempt order. In May, the Court issued an arrest warrant, with bail set at $10,000.

In November 2000, the cult applied for an order to show cause regarding contempt. 
In 
July 2001, the Court signed a contempt order for 131 breaches, but did not impose a specific punishment. This is the third contempt order.

In April 2002, the cult filed suit in Marin County against Gerry for $10,050,000 for 201 breaches, and against Bob Minton and the Lisa McPherson Trust for aiding him. This is Armstrong 7, for anyone who is still counting.

Around July 2003, Minton and the Lisa McPherson Trust were dismissed from case. If anyone has information about this out-of-court settlement, we would love to hear from you.

Armstrong 7 was consolidated with Armstrong 4 in April 2004, and tried in Marin County Superior Court. The Court dispensed with all jail sentences and fines, but awarded the cult $500,000 in liquidated damages. In July, the cult appealed, seeking the original $10,050,000. The cult also applied to reinstate the jail time and the earlier fines.

After much toing and froing, in October 2005, the Court of Appeal issued an opinion reinstating both the jail time and the fines. Gerry was denied a new hearing by the Court of Appeal, in November 2005. His petition for review was denied by the California Supreme Court, in January 2006.

In September 2007, the Marin County Court reinstated both the jail time and the fines. The next month, Gerry was denied an evidentiary hearing. As far as the Court was concerned, breach of contract trumps constitutional rights, and the cult is not obliged to keep its part of the bargain.

GERRY: I think there might be something here that is often misunderstood.

Initially, the Scientologists claimed in court that the silence conditions were reciprocal. When I showed that they had spoken out to attack me in court, in the media, and publicly before I spoke out to defend myself, however, the Scientologists changed their position and thereafter have claimed that the silence conditions and penalties are completely one-sided.

When the Scientologists filed their motion to enforce in LA Superior Court in 1991, the judge, who had inherited the case from Judge Breckenridge, stated in refusing to enforce:

“So my belief is Judge Breckenridge, being a very careful judge….if he had been presented that whole agreement and if he had been asked to order its performance, he would have dug his feet in because that is one …. I’ll say one of the most ambiguous, one-sided agreements I have ever read. And I would not have ordered the enforcement of hardly any of the terms if I had been asked to, even on the threat that, OK the case is not settled. I know we like to settle cases. But we don’t like to settle cases and, in effect, prostrate the court system into making an order whic is not fair or in the public interest.”

Unbelievably, the Marin County judge then went along with the Scientologists and ruled that the Scientologists’ contract is completely one-sided, and that the one-sidedness is perfectly acceptable and enforceable.

The Scientologists’ position is that all the millions of them, all their companies and groups, and all their lawyers, can say anything to anyone about me, no matter how defamatory or perverse, and I cannot say one word in response. If I say a word in my defense, or a word about any of those Scientologists, entities and lawyers, it’s $50,000 a pop and off to the slammer for me.

I laugh at the whole pack of sociopathic scumbags who would even consider, let alone concoct and use the justice system to enforce such a condition and contract.

JON: And there, for the moment, the story pauses, because Gerry has not been notified of any further action. Perhaps, the membership of the IAS will one day stop pouring harassment monies into the cult, realizing that you cannot actually own blue sky and that the attempt to silence critics is definitely a suppressive act. As the injunction stands, anyone may be fined or jailed for acting ‘in concert’ with Gerry Armstrong. Let me say, unequivocally, that I have acted in concert with Gerry in preparing these responses. It is about time that someone put up an online petition, so that we can all offer our support and express our outrage at this judicial violation of human rights.

Gerry has carefully and patiently made the documents available, for anyone who is curious.

I personally think that Gerry has outdone Hercules, in terms of his labours, and deserves both credit and support for his courageous stand. Gerry could have simply shut up, and kept the truth to himself. I’ve known him for almost thirty years, and I can assure his critics that his stand is entirely unselfish: there is no advantage to Gerry in any of this. He simply could not remain silent, and has vowed to respond, until the cult abandons the practice of fair game. In closing, it is worth pointing out that the cult has signally failed to keep its own part of the contract and maintained its espionage and harassment tactics against an innocent and good-hearted man.

 
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The Lori Hodgson Video Series Begins!

We’ve written several times about Lori Hodgson, who is struggling to get back into the lives of her two children, who have “disconnected” from her according to Scientology policy. But how did that start? Here are some of the startling details that have never been told before…

 

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on August 10, 2013 at 09:10

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  • Bradley Greenwood

    Let’s get the comments a-goin’!

    • Robert Eckert

      That new-thread smell won’t last long!

      • Bradley Greenwood

        My level of maturity is showing…with my “First” post.
        Haven’t even read the post yet; have the caffeine on quick-drip in the IV.

  • sugarplumfairy

    About damn time.. You been busy or something, Tony? I was getting so antsy, i googled Tony Ortega news and just found this:

    http://www.capitalnewyork.com/article/media/2013/08/8532695/catching-former-village-voice-editor-tony-ortega

    • Observer

      People have wished for the ability to upvote more than once from time to time. Apparently that power has been granted to me (unfortunately it’s only temporary. The second one cancels out the first after a few minutes and they both disappear).

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      I agree. Tony will be the one that will appeal to All of us, as well as the general public, and in a manner that will be impossible to put it down. I see a helluva fiery book tour that will be sensational.

    • ze moo

      Joe Pompeo (story author) is well known in Upstate NY newspapers, he has pieces published weekly all over the upstate area on state government and media. And he wants a bromance with TonyO. You could do worse Tony…..

    • tetloj

      first draft finished…….full of info not published anywhere else…squeeeeeeee

  • AnonymousSP

    Thank you so much, Jon and Gerry for going through all this (again) and getting the deets down. Those litigious rat-bastard Ronbots have made their judiciary beds and it’s lying down time. I’m in concert with Gerry Armstrong, Jon, Tony and anyone else who speaks up about this cult.

  • aquaclara

    Gerry. This is criminal. How you are even standing today, with all that the cult of Scientology has tried to inflict.
    Damn cult. I wish there were ways to fix this so that this would end, and you could enjoy life without their utter BS and harassment shadowing you.

    Scientology has destroyed any sense of fairness in the US justice system.

    You are a hero. God bless you for all you have done, and continue to do. And Jon, for you as well.

  • Sunny Sands

    Single women with minor children are always careful about who they date, because of the vulnerability of their children. It looks like scientology becomes the predator.

  • Observer

    I have no words. None.

    • Sam Domingo

      No words needed. Your art speaks volumes

    • GlibWog

      OMG.. I love it Observer! Wow.. Love Hubs Head on the Ground..

    • Poison Ivy

      Thank you Observer. I think we’re all feeling like Lady Justice tonight.

  • LongNeckGoose

    Gerry Armstrong’s actions exposing the truth behind The Hubbard Myth stand apart as the “sine qua non” (without which, nothing). Hubbard was no more believable than the cartoon character “Commander McBragg” I used to watch on TV when I was a kid. (At the end of every fantastic yarn, his listener would sum it up in one words, such as “Unbelievable!” and McBragg would say “Quite!”) After his brush with fame as a young Eagle Scout in Washington, DC, Hubbard failed at everything he tried except writing pulp fantasy. There was only usually a tiny germ of truth to his boastful claims, pumped up with copious amounts of hot air and bovine fertilizer. “I knew a Blackfoot indian” became “I was a blood brother”; “I took a course in physics” became “I’m a nuclear physicist”; “I’m a veteran” became “I’m a decorated, disabled war veteran”, etc. If not for Gerry Armstrong heroic commitment to truth decades ago, where would we be today? Maybe the Co$ would really be the “fastest-growing world religion” that it has always pretended to be. God bless you, Mr. Armstrong.

    • ze moo

      CO$ would never be anything but the small and dying cult that it is. People can smell bullshit and Lroon and the clams reek of it.

    • Missionary Kid

      It would not be the “fastest-growing world religion” because at its heard, it is corrupt and phony.

      However, I believe it would be far larger than it is. Gerry’s exposure of the truth made the expansion much more difficult, and has made the slide to oblivion easier.

    • BuiltForComfortNotSpeed

      “There was only usually a tiny germ of truth to his boastful claims,
      pumped up with copious amounts of hot air and bovine fertilizer.”

      Classic megalomania.

  • Sunny Sands

    Cult attorney’s name was Lawrence Heller in this story. Sarah Heller is a cult legal assistant in Clearwater. Maybe they are related?

    • RMycroft

      Lawrence/Larry Heller apparently wasn’t just a Scientology lawyer, but dealt with the Religious Technology Center stuff–much more important, secretive and guarded.

      Ministry of Fear January 24, 1983, John Saar, People
      http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20084129,00.html

  • Nina

    Gerry Armstrong is my ideal as a Canadian. Unassuming, yet forthright- tough as nails with a quietly quirky sense of humour… (David Love as well!!)

    The end is nigh- and Steely Dan has a 7 nite stand in NYC in October- let’s make it a UB party! I have my tickets- and I know you will be there John P 😉

  • California

    At some point, it would be excellent to find out what was going on with the Marin County court judges in their odd rulings….

    I was just becoming aware of the challenges with SCN back in late 2002 and the virulence directly against Gerry by some ex’es as well as SCN was shocking. The lack of support was appalling. At one of the Appellate hearings in San Francisco, I was the only person there (besides his wife) to support Gerry who was representing himself, although his former attorney showed up half-way through.

    I found Gerry to be smart, kind, gracious and articulate in discussing what he was being put through.

    It is time to re-visit some of the issues, I think.

    • Robert Eckert

      The judges need to be named.

      • Observer

        And SHAMED.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          and REMOVED.

          • Sam Domingo

            And jailed

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              I Knew there was something we were forgetting!

      • Still_On_Your_Side

        Gerry has put most, if not all, of the legal opinions on his website: http://www.gerryarmstrong.org/50k/legal/related/4267.php. I saw that the settlement agreement is there as well.

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    Scientology is a terrorist group.

    You can’t hear a story without spies, lawyers, courtroom clerks, stalkers, judges, private detectives, finance police, thought police, working overtime to terrorize someone and manipulating every vein of our system of laws and justice even to the extent of terrorize Them with tsunamis of lawsuits, and their own taste of fair gaming, harassment, coercion, or enticing.

    Scientology is a terrorist group because the law allows protects them, penalizes their victims, and protects their war chest that funds their terrorizing activities.

    It is far past the time to change that law, not just to expose the scientology mask, but all groups like them.

    • Observer

      That’s why they get so hysterical about Anonymous. They think everyone is just as willing to get down in the filth as they are, and they’re afraid their own tactics will be turned back on them.

      • Michael Leonard Tilse

        Scientologists absorb hubbard’s view that everyone is already down in the filth, fighting dirty and taking unfair advantage. So it is perfectly ethical and proper to out-do them in the filth, savage fighting and treachery so that truth and justice can triumph.

        So they start with that stuff, thinking everyone is already using it against them. They KNOW everyone is using it against them.

        That people are basically good and most do the honest and right thing, despite a policy of scientology cynically mouthing those words, is the furthest thing from their minds.

        • RMycroft

          Scientologists are supposed to be more able than us garden-variety humanoids, so if they’re not Winning, then there must be cheating Suppressive Persons who are holding them back. QED.

    • Exterrier

      Ditto on all, and well said. This post by Tony, with Jon and Gerry and Lauri, just makes me furious. And that the so called law and the IRS works with them on some of this multiplies my anger times ten.

      • joan nieman

        Here Here! Exterrier!

        • Robert Eckert

          The phrase is “Hear, hear!” OK, it’s not on the level of lose/loose, your/you’re, or there/their/they’re, but it brings out the schoolmarm in me.

          http://static.thepioneerwoman.com/homeschooling/files/2010/11/affect.jpg

          • lisacarolfremont

            Hear! Hear!

            She reminds me of the wave movie about cult think! Discipline! Community! *shudder*

          • Marti

            Oh, Schoolmarm. I am so affected by the effect you have on me. Such pandemonium.

          • monkeyknickers

            Please add to your list, Teach:

            Apostrophes are not pluralizing. At all. EVER EVER. Shit.

            “CD’s – 80’s – P’s & Q’s”

            You get the picture. 🙂

        • joan nieman

          To Robert Eckert…I laughed at my error…it was , indeed, an error!!

    • joan nieman

      The COS is a “cloud of poisonous gas seeping into the pockets and lives of the innocent”. They even have ;law enforcement and the courts controlled. It is a disease, an evil one, that has been permitted and rewarded by the very people that are supposed to protect the people. Lets bring them down! The world will be relieved of this disgusting alien…COB!!

  • Eclipse-girl

    I was worried something had happened to Tony has his daily update was a little late. I am grateful that nothing appears to have happened.

    To Gerry and Jon, Thank you for explaining the minutia involved in the various lawsuits. Someday, I hope Gerry will be allowed to return to the US, if he so chooses.

    To Karen, J. Swift and the AGP, please keep up the excellent you tube vides. When I first found the bunker, and the Surviving Scientology channel, I spent a day going through all that had been published. Thank you for you work.

    To Lori, (((HUGS)))) . We don’t know your full story yet. I hope you have been able to survive with familial relationships intact.

    • Marti

      Eclipse-girl, You should read his Scientology articles from his Village Voice days. Those will take more than a day.
      I still go back and take a refresher course.

      • Observer

        I still miss the Orders of the Day!

        • Sandy

          And that other – what was it called??? – where the lady exteriorized & saw the patio furniture ….

          • Robert Eckert

            The “ADVANCE” magazine, with Hubbard the artsy photographer doing the covers.

            • Observer

              Or using the covers to insinuate that he was red-headed Buddha.

          • Observer

            the Advance magazine OT stories. Hahahaha!

  • Rachel Heidi

    Gerry Armstrong, you are my hero!

  • sugarplumfairy

    Jeeeeeez.. I’m speechless..almost.. I hate this frking, lying, pseudo church and I lovvvvvve the Internet.. Thank goodness for Jon and Gerry.. No longer can co$ hide it’s dirty deeds against them and others.. When I read the response from scientology yesterday accusing Leah Remini of wasting LAPD’s valuable time and resources, I wanted to spit.. No group in American history has abused, manipulated and wasted the resources of our legal system more than cof$..

    • Hubbard’s Boil

      I was thinking the same thing about being so grateful for the Internet. It has been an absolute game changer in confronting deep pockets in positions of power. You can pay for lawyers. You can buy people off. You can get PR firms. You can abuse the court system, threaten, kick and scream, but you cannot stop the Internet.

    • joan nieman

      Yes, Sugarplumfairy, I am so detesting COS! I believe it is an Evil that needs to be stamped out as soon as possible> It really sickens me that they have had permission from the IRs, law courts and police force to do as they wish> Unbelievable and totally unethical.

      • sugarplumfairy

        They have permission to do as they wish? Interesting viewpoint.. I would say it’s more to the point that they have made an art form out of misleading, buying off, out-litigating or intimidating their way to that “permission..”

        • joan nieman

          Very true.

  • Ms. B. Haven

    I personally think that Gerry has outdone Hercules, in terms of his labours, and deserves both credit and support for his courageous stand. Gerry could have simply shut up, and kept the truth to himself.

    I think this statement sums up Gerry very well. And Jon Atack is right in the running for Herculean feats himself. I often go into a minor rage when I get a phone call or a piece of mail from these assholes, or if I recall some of the difficulties that I had when I was ‘in’, but it is NOTHING compared to what these guys and many others have gone through and continue to go through to shine the light of truth on this rats nest posing as a legitimate religion. I would go so far as to say that none of the critic’s sites would be here on the internet if not for the integrity and courage of both of these guys. We all owe them a huge debt of gratitude and support.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Well said. Jon Atack and Gerry Armstrong are a rare breed. Very very rare breed. We all owe them a tremendous debt.

      Because of them and so many others like them, including those whose names we will never know, the Roaring Mothers now at least have ground under their feet as they make a stand and demand to get their children back, and the children to get their family back. Before the likes of Jon and Gerry, there was no firm ground, there was only a black Hole.

  • Sam Domingo

    LORI HODGSON! nanananananananananananananananananana BATMAN! 🙂 I love you! We all stand behind you. You WILL get your kids back. Keep fighting! Keep shouting! The evil of disconnection will end along with the evil cult that breaks hearts and destroys lives. <3 <3 <3 xxxxxxxxxxxxxx

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      David Miscavige has No idea what he is about to face, and he wouldn’t be able to understand it if he did. Our strength is his weakness…he Has no heart.

      • Sam Domingo

        He keeps picking fights with strong women! Silly silly little man! 😉

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Almost. He keeps shaking down his celebs and whales for more Cash to pay sleazy lawyers and harrassers to do his dirty work. He is far too much a coward to face a Real Woman.

          Like Leah Remini. How come he didn’t show up and answer the media these past weeks? I’m sure Women Everywhere didn’t notice that David Miscavige was too much of a chicken shit to show up and answer the damn question: Where’s your wife? Not suspicious at all, either! Because we wimmen are so easily fooled.

          • Sam Domingo

            Duh! He’s scared of his wife too – haha!

            • monkeyknickers

              Yep. I totally agree. He should get some therapy. 🙂

            • Missionary Kid

              After his jail time.

            • monkeyknickers

              Sadly I have this sneaking suspicion that he has a pretty surefire escape plan, legally or otherwise, and won’t be eating baloney sandwiches for every meal anytime soon.

            • Missionary Kid

              That was wishful thinking on my part.

            • GlibWog

              Medication

        • i-Betty

          Hooray!

        • GlibWog

          ” I AM Woman Hear Me Roar.. In Numbers too Big to Ignore! “

    • Sam Domingo

      In your face cult! Keep trolling and accusing women of being ‘victims’ – Lori is no victim. Let’s see who wins this round!

    • joan nieman

      yes!Yes!!!

  • Mark

    Sorry to quibble (it’s just the old pagan in me) and while nobody is more ready to bow to Jon’s superior knowledge of Co$, I fear his occult references are a bit wobbly:

    “the bizarre Blood Ritual, where Hubbard dedicated himself to the service of the black goddess, Hathor, the destroyer of mankind”

    Er, no. Hathor “…personified the principles of joy, feminine love, and motherhood. She was one of the most important and popular deities throughout the history of Ancient Egypt. Hathor was worshipped by Royalty and common people alike…”
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hathor

    She was sometimes depicted as a red cow, too. Perhaps it was Kali to whom Hubbard dedicated himself? She is often shown as black, with a necklace of human skulls, and is obviously not a girl to mess with.

    • Robert Eckert

      Hathor also took on the wrathful form of Sekhmet, the leopard goddess, devourer of mankind.

      http://www.sacred-texts.com/egy/ael/ael12.htm

      • Mark

        Hee-hee! ‘The Beer of Heliopolis’! But then the Egyptian pantheon is a bit of a mix-and-match hotch-potch; probably as much to do with politics as religion back then.

        Sekhmet can be fierce, or a literal pussy-cat in the form of Pashtet. Hubbard (or Jack Parsons) would have been better off evoking really nasty goddess like Ta-Urt, a crocodile-headed hippo who is a form of the “devourer of the unjust” in various rescensions of the Book of the Dead. But that wouldn’t have seemed nearly so glamorous…

        • Observer

          … but apt, since Hubbard was a crocodile in personality and a hippo in physique.

          Did I say that out loud?

          • Once_Born

            If similarity in physique is a consideration, perhaps Hubbard would have been more appealing to the most recent earthly manifestation of Gozer the Gozerian.

            • Observer

              *SNORT!*

            • Observer

              Like this?

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Love, love, love this!

            • Once_Born

              I’m outclassed. I surrender.

              Please add, “Tubby Soft-squeeze” to the list of Hubbard’s alternative names

            • Michael Leonard Tilse

              He has a ‘charmin’ personality.

            • Observer

              grrooooaaannnn

            • Studious Judious

              my friend likes to say, “You can always tell the quality of the pun by the depth of the groan that follows.”

            • Robert Eckert

              I have tried ten times to tell a pun that would induce a groan here, but no pun in ten did.

            • Kitz

              *Shakes head speechless and moves along* 😛

            • Marti

              Hellarious!
              Once_Born and Observer, What you two Bunkerites have wrought.

            • Observer

              I’m working toward my Merchant of Chaos badge!

            • Marti

              Once_Born, Don’t ever forget: You are classy and don’t ever surrender!

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              You are Awesomenessly Wonderful!

            • Remy

              Awesome!

          • Robert Eckert

            Unfortunately for Miscavige, the only dwarf Egyptian deity was Bes, the god of joking and degrading.

            • RMycroft

              He’d better hope that Anubis is using an especially heavy feather that day.

            • Mark

              Predynastic Dwarfenfuhrer!

            • Nevermore

              I see the resemblance!

            • Observer

              You can just feel the command intention, can’t you?

          • Mark

            And very true you make it sound:

            • Nevermore

              ^ That’s Taweret, demoness of birth and rebirth.

            • Mark

              (Fred Astaire voice): You say ‘Taweret’, I say ‘Ta-urt’, the Copts said ‘Thoueris’ – let’s call the whole thing off!

            • Nevermore

              Ye gods, I love a man who can make a play on the names of ancient deities!

            • Mark

              There’s some pretty odd-sounding angels as well – like ‘Sandalphon’, who I always feel is the tutelary spirit of ringing someone up while wearing a pair of Dr. Scholls…

            • Nevermore

              Is he not supposed to be Elijah?

            • Mark

              According to Gustav Davidson’s A Dictionary of Angels, yes. There’s a lot of very recondite Jewish mystical folklore in that book.

            • stanrogers

              Wasn’t that one of the ones Wonko the Sane was dealing with?

    • Hubbard’s Boil

      Come on, Mark. Do you really think that is Jon’s error? L Ronny couldn’t get eighth grade science right. Certainly he did not have the intellectual chops to deal with the pagan pantheon.

      Jon, however, does. See paragraphs six and eight here in his essay on Hubbard and the occult: http://www.religio.de/atack/occ2.html .

      • Observer

        That was my thought as well.

      • Mark

        Of course Hubbard would have ballsed it all up; the man was an occult ignoramus. It’d be interesting to actually see a copy of this ‘Blood Ritual’, which might well show whether or not it was composed in concert with Jack Parsons, who would never have committed such an elementary magical howler.

        It’s just that Jon sometimes relies on highly dubious “occult authorities”, in this case Murry Hope’s truly abortionate book Practical Egyptian Magic (1984) which I remember was regarded as a bad joke even when it came out, attracting damning reviews. It’s neither practical, Egyptian, nor remotely magical – just a rubbishy New Age potboiler – and virulently homophobic to boot. Quoting Hope on magic is akin to quoting Dan Brown on archaeology.

        Jon’s bullshit-detector is second to none when it comes to $ciloonery, but it occasionally gets sticky relays when he ventures into occultism. In the essay you reference he makes a number of valid points, but rather devalues them by not using a large pinch of salt when analysing Crowley, for instance: Magick In Theory and Practice is a particularly hard nut to crack – I’d put it on a level with trying to make sense out of Blavatsky’s Secret Doctrine.

        • FLUNK_101

          Correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t Hubbard mention Kali and her blood worshippers in the PDC lectures?

          “Blood for breakfast!”

          Or something like that … he was always hamming it up.

        • junojones

          Yeah, the Egyptian Kali-type figure is Sekhmet, the lion goddess.

          Really guise, Hathor is a bovine fertility goddess and quite benign as deities go. Hubbard’s claim to magicianship is probably just as half-baked as anything else he ever did.

      • Remy

        He really sucked at just about everything he attempted to do.

    • Victoria Pandora

      he was probably trying to get over his deep seated fear and hatred of women. but not even the lovely hathor could help him with that.

    • FLUNK_101

      I like. The decapitated head reminds me of Klimt’s painting of Judith holding the head of Holofernes …

    • q-bird

      Hubbard names his (personal demon) mentor in his admissions:

      (d1) That I see and hear Raon clearly.

      Is raon, hathor? Is that what you’re saying here Mark?

      • Mark

        More likely to be the ‘secret’ name of the red-headed green-eyed (yawn) ‘Empress’ he later claimed was his ‘Holy Guardian Angel’ (HGA) – unless it’s some Enochian entity from the magical system he was using with Parsons – but there are literally thousands of those.

        As he was stoned to the tits most of the time he was magicking with Jack Parsons in Pasadena, it could mean almost anything. My guess is it’s just ‘Ron’ gussied-up to sound exotic and occult as the name of his HGA, and nothing to do with Hathor.

        I’ve always had a sneaking suspicion that ‘Aiwass’, Crowley’s HGA, had more than a little to do with ‘Eyewash’.

    • Nevermore

      He’s confused Hathor with Sekhmet, her goddess of war persona.

      • Mark

        Or rather Murry Hope did (see below).

        • Nevermore

          I’ll just say I was never impressed by Ms Hope’s work, and leave it at that. 🙂

    • Kitz

      That bothered me as well when I read it, so thank you for pointing it out and correcting. (Old pagan here as well.) While the Egyptian pantheon isn’t mine, misinformation about it (or any pantheon to be honest) makes me twitch.

  • Ms. B. Haven

    Off Topic

    There has been a bit of media coverage in the US about the recent death of Karen Black. Here is what NPR had to say.
    http://www.npr.org/blogs/monkeysee/2013/08/09/210547172/karen-black-strange-and-lovely-and-always-game

    I find it interesting that there is more coverage of well known scientologists on critic’s websites and blogs and it the biased wog media (merchants of chaos) than there is on official scientology websites. More often than not, these scientologists are remembered fondly and if someone has been a bit of an asshole during their scientology career, they are often remembered with a sense of forgiveness. If you are a scientologist and you die, you are erased from their history as if your efforts and accomplishments meant nothing. Strange and sad behavior. I would expect nothing less from them.

    • Bob

      Ms. B, remember the whole purpose of Dianetics and Scientology is to erase the past and be in present time. The crimes of Mousekavige and his church are all in the past so they no longer exist. So no need for a conscience. And no need to give credit to people who helped build and support the church. Only fresh blood donors get attention from the midget vampire boy. There are so many examples of stellar people who helped Hubbard who get zero credit now. It’s a disgusting practice and will be their undoing as you can never fully escape you past as it makes up your present and influences your future.

  • Michael Leonard Tilse

    Wow, excellent article and wonderful interviews Tony. Gerry’s journey is the stuff of legend, and while I think he would rather have not taken this path, it was thrust upon him. He did not shirk his duty. Out of integrity and courage he stays the course and soldiers on.

    • KNMF

      “Wow: is right. What an incredible posting. Thanks, Tony. The breakdown of events was totally comprehensible. Too, bad that scientology is run by a coward, and they never come around to even respond with their side of the story.

      They have failed “utterly” at ruining Gerry and Jon.

  • villagedianne

    Does anybody know if Marty Rathbun ever took back the bad things he said about Gerry Armstrong? This would be a good time for him to do so, as Rathbun now seems willing to see some faults in “the old man” (LRH).

    • Sam Domingo

      Marty who? 😉

      • LaLa104

        Marty Rathbun… He was Davey’s ratchet man. He’s the Independent Scio that has helped a lot of people that has left the cult but he’s still sipping the KOOLAID as far as I’m concerned.

        Here’s his site:

        http://markrathbun.wordpress.com/

        • Sam Domingo

          I know 🙂 I’m a ‘Marty lover’ as he’s an old friend of mine but I’m an ‘Anon lover’ (according to OSA anyway) so an Anon friend of mine and I always used to say ‘Marty who’ when the subject came up 🙂 On this occasion I’ll keep my mouth shut (enjoy the rare event) and let y’all get on with it 😀

          • LaLa104

            Jeez, I’m SO gullible.. LOL

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            My first laugh of the day was reading LaLa104 sincerely helping you out there. Funny

            • LaLa104

              Glad I could entertain you with the shitz and giggles.. 😀

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              We can’t have too many of those around here, especially These days!

            • GlibWog

              hahahhahaha I laughed too.. I’m sorry.. it just came naturally LaLa

          • Sam Domingo

            Will that comment earn me another troll I wonder? 😉

            • Once_Born

              May I ask, what do you think {Commentstars} hoped to achieve?
              From my perspective his efforts were a counter-productive waste of time.

            • Robert Eckert

              This particular style of attack, “The anti-Scientologists are a cult too; they’re crazy; if any of their stories were real law enforcement would have done something” was used on a lot of comment threads all over the net in earlier times when PR flaps came up only once in a while instead of in great waves like now. The intended audience is not us, but outsiders who have never followed the Scientology story much. It is puzzling that anybody would bring it to a place like the Bunker, but it may be a routine that this person (possibly identical to “Louanne”, an {old friend} we have not seen in a while?) robotically repeats out of that incapacity for new thoughts that is so characteristic of the cult.

            • Once_Born

              Thank you. I’m relatively new here, and was never ‘in’. Part of me still finds it hard to understand why the CofS mount organised attacks (with recognisable styles) because they are so transparent. Even people who have, “never followed the Scientology story much” are, surely, very unlikely to fall for it.

              Do you think there is also an element of ‘whistling in the dark’ – trying to convince themselves that all is well?

              BTW, I was concerned that the person who was cancelling his comments was attempting to make us look bad to outsiders. The mess that was left over would have make us look as if we were incoherent &/or censored. Of course, it was a bust, thanks to the good people who restored his comments on their own account after he deleted them (I still can’t get over that!).

              However, now that the stakes are getting higher, the CofS might come up with something new (most likely via outside contractors). Worth watching for, perhaps (without getting paranoid).

            • I saw the thread when his comments were deleted and it looked fine to me. The regulars here are well-reasoned and articulate. Wasn’t too terribly hard to get the gist of what was going on. 🙂 Which speaks highly of the participants who were responding to the troll.

            • villagedianne

              In the early 2000’s, some critics said the Internet was Scientology’s Vietnam, a long protracted war that they couldn’t win.

            • Still_On_Your_Side

              Good analogy, and by that standard, the long war may be coming to an end.

            • Robert Eckert

              In responding to this species of troll, it is necessary to make clear in your replies what exactly was said that you are responding to. I did not actually cut-and-paste the whole comment, as Sam Domingo and Mark did, but anticipated that Commentstars would do a retroactive edit or delete, because I had tangled with this particular poster before. This ain’t my first time at the rodeo.

            • Once_Born

              Noted. And I thought I was being so clever working out what Mr Troll was up to.

              It’s interesting that it was the thread about the Shelly Miscavige missing person investigation that was targeted. Seems to be a sore point with the CofS…

            • Robert Eckert

              A sore point with the COB in particular.

            • Robert Eckert

              Look for example here, at all the sock puppets chiming in “I agree” with each other, impressing no-one:

              http://www.thewrap.com/media/article/scientologist-shelly-miscavige-missing-persons-report-unfounded-says-lapd-109596

            • RMycroft

              Ah, the irony of “Noelle” talking about respecting privacy.

              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXxm8yrb7rE

            • q-bird

              Did s/he just turn into Cold Pizza, Sam?

            • Observer

              I’m not Sam, but yes.

        • Captain Howdy

          Srsly?

          • LaLa104

            Yeah but, but, but in my defense I hadn’t finished my first cuppa Joe.. I am slightly embarrassed for my gullibility Captain. Just move along folks nothing to see here but me being a dumbarse.

        • Remy

          As far as I’m concerned, the KoolAid drinkers are the ones inside the totalitarian criminal corporation.

          • LaLa104

            I agree to a point. But Marty is still pushing the “TECH” and preaching it to all who will buy his books and follow him on his blog. Not saying he hasn’t helped those that have left C0$, however, he is still sipping on LWRONG’S writings and teachings.

            • Remy

              That may the case, but it doesn’t concern me. That stuff will continue unless someone decides to burn the books. But Hubbard is entirely unappealing, outside of the mind control behind the totalitarian iron curtain.

            • villagedianne

              I think some parts of the ‘Tech” are not bad in and of themselves, and have helped some people some of the time. For instance, Jason Beghe had a powerful spiritual experience from one of the early processes he did. If Scientology didn’t have something that worked, the hold on people would not be so powerful. It’s the cage of control and indoctrination put around the “tech” that makes it evil. The “tech’ is the bait in the trap.

            • LaLa104

              I just have a hard time believing anything influenced by the that Snake Oil Salesman, Sci-Fi writer called LRH. At least we all on the same page of the atrocities and practices of Scion and that’s why we are here. 🙂

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Jason Beghe had a powerful experience because he paid a Heap of cold hard earned cash to pay for a powerful experience. He also had to Agree and then Decide to learn all the rules and tips and pre-fed ideas of What To Expect, How to Recognize a powerful experience, and then he had to be pumped, preened and primed to really Drool and anticipate and Crave that powerful experience.

              And what do you know. Jason Beghe had a powerful experience. The Power was Jason’s, not Hubbard’s or Hubbard’s tech. The only “tech” that helps members to have any kind of experience is the sales job, the maze of intricate steps one must learn and Pay for before ever getting to jump on the merrygoround for the actual ride. The experience comes from expectations or the simplest experience of someone listening and talking about your problems.

              In that sense, the “tech” has helped some people. It is just that we need to distinguish that is the tech or as I like to call it, the Art of the Scam that creates the effects, both illusive and physically real.

            • Robert Eckert

              I call it the Tek, after Shatner’s designer drug.

            • villagedianne

              Beghe’s powerful experience came early in his involvement, at a time when he had not yet put in that much of an emotional or financial investment in the cult. The early processes are less expensive, the steeper prices, along with the hardcore indoctrination, come later Ironically, Beghe’s disillusion came later, at a time when he had a much greater financial and emotional investment, which makes his departure all the more significant. Not only was he never able to recapture anything like his early experience, but the processes they were giving him later on only made him feel worse.

            • WhereIsSHE

              ^THIS^ x 1000.
              I love your clarity, THDNE

            • GlibWog

              Meh

    • Observer

      No he hasn’t, and imo if he ever does it will be one of the signs of the Apocalypse.

    • Are_sics

      As soon as Godot shows up, I think, is the plan.

    • Tone

      No, so far the SOB has kept those secrets to himself. IMHO he’s as sick as Hubbard ever was.

    • Spackle Motion

      No, and NO.

      Rathbun remains a deluded hypocrite that is highly selective in the victims he helps; even the victims he created himself. There are some ex-Scientologists that still don’t see the forest through the trees, and they continue to harangue Armstrong, making them all appear to be petty cult members.

  • Michael Leonard Tilse

    What is it about Scientology that it creates such powerful Warrior Moms?

    Lori, Karen, Ida, Tory….. The list goes on and on. Kudos to you all!

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Michael, Michael, Michael. Scientology doesn’t create powerful Warrior Moms.
      Moms become Warriors the moment their babies are born. Scientology terrorizes their children, and Moms simply go into action.

      • Michael Leonard Tilse

        I stand corrected, THDNE.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Okay then. Tearing up the KR now. that was close.

          • Michael Leonard Tilse

            I guess I misspoke because my mom was… uh… not a warrior. I don’t see it as an automatic identity waiting to be triggered in every mom. I guess I had a factory reject.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Oh, I inserted foot in mouth again. Yes, it is true there are some missing certain elements, Michael. I hope you know by now that it is not a moral issue or a character issue and while it is wrong, it really isn’t even a right or wrong issue.

              It is a mental health issue and is no more character flaw than someone who has cancer.

              Now I’m going to be all smooshy and have to send you hugs.

            • Michael Leonard Tilse

              Thanks. I know she is broken in certain ways. As her parents were broken too. I have my own damage, which I try to be realistic about. As the Pale Rider said: “A man’s got to know his limitations”.

              Thanks for the hugs.

            • i-Betty

              Hey, can I join in with the hugs? I also make great cakes. Hugs and cake for Michael 🙂

            • GlibWog

              Michael Always Remember, ” You Are More Than Where You Came From. ” Hugs from all of us.

            • Kitz

              Another hug to add to your growing collection. 🙂 You’ve heard my grumblings about not being allowed to have a “chat” with my ex-sons-in-law before, lol.

              I think that people just have different ideas of what it is to be a parent. Some, like me and the others that have been mentioned, have put their children first in the priority ranking, while others don’t for whatever reason they have. I think it has to do with how a person is raised by their own parents, and whether they decide to continue or change the cycle “handed” down to them. My Mom is still fiercely protective of us kids (even with her own issues going on), but I don’t remember hearing that my grandmother was like that. Part is conscious choice, and part is ingrained I believe.

              Just my two coppers, and we all know how much that is worth. 😉

            • Observer

              .

      • RMycroft

        Everyone knows that the most dangerous animal in the forest is a bear cub.

        • cicely neville

          You mean the cub’s mom, don’t you?

          • Robert Eckert

            It’s the cute darlingness of the cub which will get you in trouble with the momma.

          • RMycroft

            I’d rather encounter a mama bear by herself than a bear cub by itself. Encountering an adult bear is tense situation, but with options. Encountering a bear cub is a furry ticking time-bomb, especially if it’s playful curious about that strange two-legged critter.

        • Jean
      • Sam Domingo

        Xactly

      • ze moo

        For every tiger mom there are plenty who give their children to the Sea Argggghhhhh and the ‘church’. Until they get tired of the constant regging (that should not be a verb) and demands for disconnection and complete mind control they won’t head for the door.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          I guess it must seem like that some days, but that is because of the stories. The truth is that Most mothers do Not give their children over. Just as it is true that Most members leave within the first year, and in the fanatic environment of this decade, most leave in the first few months. But even those that do, do so under great duress that is hard to imagine when you are reading words on a page. The numbers are dwindling and dwindling.

          • ze moo

            The public clams do seem to bust out fairly quickly, quickly being in the first year or 2. I truly feel for the 2nd and 3rd generations of clams, they never had a chance, yet plenty of them drop out. There is hope for all of us.

        • sister wendy

          at one point in time my daughter didn’t know what she wanted to do and all her friends were joining the SO. I remember thinking that I would be able to do nothing to stop her…and my husband and I were hoping it wouldn’t be as bad as we thought. I can’t believe I even entertained that thought for one nano-second now…

    • 0tessa

      The more evil Scientology Enterprise gets, the more powerful the Warrior Moms get.

  • Hey there. I’m a daily lurker that doesn’t post much. But my thoughts and well wishes are always with everyone here. I wanted to share something about “troll feeding” because I think it’s especially relevant on this blog. I’ve recently reevaluated my stance about feeding trolls based on this article. http://www.dailydot.com/opinion/phillips-dont-feed-trolls-antisocial-web/ I think it makes very good points. The mantra “don’t feed the trolls” inadvertently serves to silence their targets and that’s no good. I was reading the thread on the last blog where there was a Troll that deleted his posts and honestly I think only good was done. As long as responses don’t stoop to the same level, a conversation with a troll can be educational to observers. At the very least it shows that people on this blog are, unlike the Church of Scientology, unafraid to address critics. And that is a very good thing. Just my .02

    • Hubbard’s Boil

      Sorry to disagree, Brigid, but not all ideas and opinions are worth exploring. Some so-called critics are, if you will pardon the technical terms, batshit insane, and it’s a waste of time and energy to engage them. It’s not “educational” to give undue consideration to clearly illogical, irrational positions.

      I also think it’s a bit inappropriate for someone who doesn’t participate in a group to tell them how to handle trolls. I think most regular posters here would say, “We are doing fine, thanks.”

      • Remy

        A daily lurker and occasional poster… I think a lot of participants meet that description, Boil.

        • Hubbard’s Boil

          I guess I am defining “participant” as someone who “participates” by posting.

          • Remy

            Brigid say she was a daily lurker and occasional poster

          • Never told anybody how to behave. I posted a link with another point of view.

            • Hubbard’s Boil

              A link that suggested how groups should behave when dealing with trolls, yes?

            • What’s your point? I didn’t write the article. I said it made some good points and I shared it. Your response is bizarrely confrontational. If you didn’t like the article that’s fine, move on. But I’m here expressing my support and you’re being really hostile to someone that is an ally. WHY? My point is that I don’t think anyone should feel guilty or like they “failed’ if they were motivated to respond to a troll. Good comments and good information has been shared in some of those responses. AND victims of COS have spent too much of their lives being told to shut up, not express their opinion etc. Responding to a troll is not the worst thing they could do. Seriously please reevaluate your response to me. It’s misguided and disproportionate. This is a non issue.

            • q-bird

              I appreciate the link Brigid, and your thoughts on it as well — am reading with much interest. Different points of view are what make this blog so enlightening. hang tight.

            • Hubbard’s Boil

              Again, I am really sorry that my comments upset you to this degree.

            • Not upset. And disagreement is part of life. My issue was being cast as “telling the group how to behave” and at the comment that implied because I don’t post often I’m not entitled to share an opinion at all. That’s how you came off. If you say you didn’t mean to come off that way, it’s all cool. Cheers. 🙂

            • stillgrace

              Hi Brigid. I remember posting an article here about trolldom eons ago. There was no backlash then and I don’t understand Boil’s backlash now. He probably didn’t comment on my article because he’s new to the bunker and wasn’t around then.

            • Captain Howdy

              Trolling is a tribalist trial of fire that you either survive or you don’t. It’ that simple..Keep your rules of civilization out of it.

            • stillgrace

              Tribes are civilizations, too. Don’t know about the rules. My point was ultimately: Brigid has the right to post here if she wants.

            • Captain Howdy

              I was just joshing ya Grace. I just woke up and thought it was Friday.

            • WhereIsSHE

              Good comments and good information –and some compassion from Andreas Heldal-Lund (Operation Clambake/xenu.net)– is what led Tory Christman to freedom.

            • WhereIsSHE

              As Andreas tells it:

              “Early 2000 an anonymous poster called Magoo joined ARS and started posting thousands of more or less off-topic messages, talking about “us” and something called “lie therapy”. Most of it sounded too strange for me so I ignored it in the beginning. Magoo created a lot of hubbub on the group back then. After a while I got interested in the person/persons behind the nick and Magoo and I started talking on the newsgroup and continued by e-mail. To her I was The Devil because I had this site and she had reported me to OSA who replied that they were working on closing me down. After a while Magoo started telling more and more and one day she told her real name (at that time Tory Bezazian, now Tory Christman) and that she had been a Scientologist for 30 years. She was obviously struggling with her conviction and desperately needed someone to talk to.

              During our talks she left CoS officially in July 2000 and is now one of my dearest friends.”

              http://www.xenu.net/archive/personal_story/tory/

            • sugarplumfairy

              So glad you posted that..

            • 1/10

          • Captain Howdy

            What group?
            I’m a party of one.

            • sugarplumfairy

              With enough mouth for a group.. =)

      • WOW. Wholly disproportionate response batman. Chill out. I wasn’t telling anyone how to do anything, nor did I claim that there is only one right way to handle the issue. I was simply pointing to a link with an alternate and intriguing point of view. What I said was that responses can be educational to “observers” – NOT THE TROLL. Educational to the people reading the blog, the allies who are not part of the fight but who donate time, resources, money and sympathy to victims of COS.

        • Hubbard’s Boil

          So sorry to have caused such extreme offense. It was not at all my intention. I guess I need to learn how to disagree more gently.

          • It’s cool. We are cool. Everything is cool. *fistbump*

    • Remy

      Thanks for your post!! I think the Bunker has an interesting spectrum of trolls! Some of them are quite funny. Once in a while we get a really obnoxious one. Often it seems what we think is a troll is an iindie or freezoner that has a unique outlook that can be hard to understand. Fun all around!

    • Once_Born

      Generally the article does make good points.

      I argued against feeding a recent troll because this specimen was deleting his posts, in an apparent effort to discredit us (by leaving an out-of-context mess behind that would look as if it was incoherent &/or censored). Look in the comments for the previous post to read the result.

      I underestimated the people here, though. Some had kept records of the exchange, and restored his deleted comments using their own accounts. Amazing.

      This blog really is a special case, because trolls are often acting under CofS orders. Their regular bouts of downvoting (pop around on Thursdays) are funny. Even when these manage to write comments, they never seriously follow up on the replies, typically confining themselves to gems like “really?” and “BS”.

      My theory is that can’t argue meaningfully with them, as their minders are afraid that, if they are allowed to, their doublethink will slip. Worse yet, they might occidentally speak heresy, and every gets carted off for re-education.

      For whatever reason, replying to them does not seem to aggravate the problem, and you might even make someone wonder why his freedom to speak is so constrained while everyone here says what they want.

      Finally… welcome!

      • Thanks. I’ve been a lurker and occasional poster to this blog since way way back. VV days. Don’t expect anyone to ever remember me tho. 🙂 I’m an artist and a blogger and writer. I’ve written for Wired and GeekMom. I only mention it so that everyone can rest assured I’m not a liar or a fake. This is my real identity and my interest in this topic is long standing and sincere. I’ve always felt that the commenters here have handled trolls really well. And yes the trolls here are a bit different. But I read that article the other day and it struck a chord. I think it makes a good case that sometimes a response is appropriate and no one should feel guilty about it. Cheers!

        • Robert Eckert

          I believe I recognize your name from the past. Trolls here come in a few different categories; how to respond depends on which kind of troll we have.

          • Absolutely agree.

          • Bury_The_Nuts

            I Missed a Troll!!!

            I am disappoint!

            • Robert Eckert

              Sam and Mark countered most excellently. A mirror is what they fear the most.

              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTf1U_LB4zY

            • WhereIsSHE

              Did you also miss that someone here had a dream in which you appeared as a young Kirstie Alley look-a-like?=(!

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              WHAT!
              I will find that person and HURT them!!!!!

            • stillgrace

              He’s been posting today on the last thread, posting and then deleting his posts.

            • sister wendy

              can someone tell me, what is the point of deleting your own posts if you are a troll? I don’t get it

        • tetloj

          agree that there are many here who handle trolls very well….I watch on in silent admiration.

      • The trolls we get here are wet behind the ears, no good for nothings!

        We had some of the new school anti female trolling (inexcusable, of course) on WWP (or enturbulation.net as it was called then) when Tory came in and was optimistic about how much good would come out of feeding the trolls.
        But the real trolls were the indies on a.r.s. They got several of us going (and I mean people who are still posting here today, and myself included) for longer than they should have.

        • Once_Born

          So, bring on the trolling A Team. What can they do?

          If they argue Scientology is valid, they are on to a loser.
          If they try sophistry, they look silly.
          If they resort to abuse they look like fanatics.
          If they get out of hand, Tony can block them, and their IP addresses too.

          The resources of the CofS are not only dwindling, but also stretched thin, thanks to all the negative coverage. If they are being used to argue with me, they’re doing nothing worse.

          Finally, if just one CofS Troll blows because he has been exposed to wog ideas, or is disillusioned by the futility of the job he has is given so much the better.

    • Mark

      We put his/her deleted posts back, which seemed to shut him/her up. 😉

      • Awesome. 🙂

        • Kim O’Brien

          welcome ! i love the proper irish spelling of your first name..my sister’s name is Brigid and for some reason ..no one ever spells it correctly LOL

          • Oh boy yeah. It’s a tough one to spell that’s for sure. I think my fave misspelling of it ever was Bridigidette. It was like the person who typed it had a spelling seizure.

          • Nevermore

            My RL name is one of those Irish ones no-one can spell or pronounce!

      • Lark Smith

        I ran in to him at THR 2 days ago he was name calling and being abrasive. I believe I called him unpleasant and he actually apologized – I was shocked. Then he deleted all his comments.

        • Mark

          Bullies are cowards.

      • Observer

        He or she is posting as coldpizza now. I had my say and am now ignoring, except to screenshot and repost deleted replies if necessary.

        • Kim O’Brien

          i am late to the party …shit…i missed a good argument. I hate when that happens 😉

          • Robert Eckert

            You didn’t miss a good argument: you missed an argument. (the prize if you catch the reference is a slice of cold pizza)

        • Mark

          Good on you, Obs! Nil carborundum illegitimi!

          • WhereIsSHE

            You got an up arrow for use of that phrase, because my dad always repeats a version of it to me and my sisters when we face some sort of adversity. “Illegitimi non carborundum!”/ “Don’t let the bastards grind you down!”

          • Observer

            Or as Ron would say, “Nix carborundum illegitimi.”

      • Sam Domingo

        Troll feeding is fun… my bad 🙁 haha!

        • Mark

          No bad! I was really starting to enjoy myself there, Sam – and using the Disqus email stuff to stuff that troll’s deletions was a really good idea of yours!

          • Sam Domingo

            I took a screen shot after you gave me a heads up about the deletions 🙂 Thanks – caught the bugger just as he/she/it was running off 😀

    • Captain Howdy

      “Don’t feed the trolls? it’s not that simple”

      http://www.dailydot.com/opinion/phillips-dont-feed-trolls-antisocial-web/

      Wow, what feminist pre-grad student wrote that article?

      • Hubbard’s Boil

        Man, you ain’t just whistlin’ Dixie, Captain. She could have summed it up in three paragraphs, but they don’t teach you to be succinct in school these days, and God knows it takes mountains of “rhetoric” to be a proper post-modern scholar. All of the ten-dollar words give the piece a veneer of importance and logic. But scratch the surface and, as the LAPD says, “Nothing to see here. Move along.”

      • WhereIsSHE

        Whitney Phillips is a media and Internet studies scholar who received her Ph.D. from the University of Oregon in 2012. Her work has appeared in journals such as Television and New Mediaand First Monday, and she has been interviewed or featured in the Atlantic, Fast Company, and NBC News. She is currently revising her dissertation—which focuses on subcultural trolling—for publication.

        OR so it says at the bottom of the linked article.

      • Johan

        Are you using “feminist” as an insult? 🙁

    • Sure – go ahead and feed the trolls. Just don’t come crying when you don’t like what they throw back. (No, did not read the article but have been dealing with professional trolls for more than 15 years in this context…)

      • Robert Eckert

        Crying? Me and Sam and Mark were laughing.

    • Unex Skcus

      I tend to agree with that article. Engaging a ‘troll’ can be beneficial – as in the case of Tory ‘Magoo’ Christman. Dialog with them, providing it’s not just outright rude, can serve to sow the seeds of doubt.

  • DamOTclese2

    It is wonderful seeing Gerry getting coverage once again, he has always been one of the best wogs out here. The Scientology crime syndicate tried to crush his spirit, they tried to destroy who Gerry is and yet through it all Gerry has remained the special, loving, caring person he was before he ever got involved in working for the criminal enterprise.

  • Amelia Williamson

    Where is the petition in support of Gerry Armstrong? I want to sign.

  • DamOTclese2

    Hey! How can I get me a piece of this Hathor? 🙂 Man, Hubbard was *fucking* insane.

    • Mark

      Hubtard flunked it – Hathor’s an old sweetie, really. (But see below).

    • Nevermore

      Her alter ego is Sekhmet, goddess of war – be careful! 😉

  • DamOTclese2

    “…Flynn assured them as he assured me that the silence condition was not judicially enforceable…”

    One can not sign-away one’s rights. It’s why the crime syndicate’s so-called “Lisa clause” holds no weight, no merit, it’s why the criminal enterprise’s “freeloader debt” lunacy has zero weight out in the real world.

    • So you’ll do Gerry’s jail time for him?

      Seriously, while Gerry had reason to trust Flynn’s advice, some of these contract are civil matters and it’s amazing what one can and cannot do in civil matters.

      Anyway, actual legal advice is probably better than people on the Internet having opinions.

  • nottrue

    Gerry Armstrong quote “I laugh at the whole pack of sociopathic scumbags”

  • DavidaRochelle

    HELP. In a generous mood, I responded to a Craigslist ad requesting help with a psychology research project for a college paper. After a brief conversation about my life’s goals and minor struggles, I agreed to watch a video and give my analysis. Shock. It was Will Smith talking about how he turned his life around. After 2 seconds, realized I’d been suckered in to watching a Scieno tape, I emailed the jerk and demanded that he never contact me again. Any ideas on what to do if he starts harassing me?

    • Artoo45

      In what part of the country did this occur?

      • DavidaRochelle

        I’m in Las Vegas. Notice requesting opinions for research paper was on Vegas Craigslist. He has my unlisted cell. I tried to screen him out before calling and responding; he lied.

        • Nevermore

          You might want to get yourself a new SIM…

          • DavidaRochelle

            What’s a SIM?

            • Nevermore

              The SIM card that sits inside your cell phone, with your number on it.

            • DavidaRochelle

              Impractical to change my cell number.

            • Nevermore

              Direct his number to voicemail. Or just hang up as soon as you realise it’s him.

            • DavidaRochelle

              Not trying to hijack this thread; just wanted to warn others. Here’s the jerks response.
              Hope he leaves me alone. I can link the Will Smith vid if requested.
              Hi.
              I don’t know what Lientology is? If you mean Scientology, I’m not into that either.
              I’m simply talking to people about their goals and I thought Will Smith said a lot of cool things about goals and achieving them.
              If you don’t want to participate in my survey that’s okay you don’t have to.
              Thank you for participating and good luck with you goals.

            • SaAnon

              Please link to video.

            • sugarplumfairy

              No, don’t.. We don’t need no stinking co$ video..

            • SaAnon

              Well, the Tom Cruise video did well for us, didn’t it? At wwp, we collect the the good ones. Sometimes they show up here.
              Not to worry, it doesn’t appear to be a more than spam.

            • sugarplumfairy

              I was kidding..

            • Michael Leonard Tilse

              In this context, “goals” is a red flag word that almost assuredly means he is a scientologist. If he said “goals and purposes” that is a specific combination that is often used in scientology and would pin it down completely.

              It sounds like he is using his ‘survey’ as a screening technique for finding people vulnerable to the scientology sales pitch. This leads me to think that he is perhaps a ‘Field Staff Member’ scientologist, trying to raise money by signing people up for courses and auditing at the local org and getting a 10% commission for the auditing sale and 15% for the training sale. Most people don’t realize this when they are being recruited by someone. Also most don’t realize that if you never change your statement of who is your “FSM”, they keep getting those commissions on everything you buy on your bridge. You the new mark is called the ‘selectee’ because you were ‘selected’ by the FSM. It can be lucrative to bring in just one ‘whale’ who buys lots of stuff. If a selectee buys $100,000 of auditing, (not unusual), the FSM gets $10,000 in cash, or they can put it on their own bridge as services.

            • DavidaRochelle

              Thanks. What’s with emailing me the Will Smith vid? Did he think that I was Black or a Will Smith fan?

            • Michael Leonard Tilse

              If my guess is correct, he wants to get you talking about yourself and your goals and then guide you to examine if you are getting there or not.

              He will the dissem drill: Contact, Handle, Salvage, Bring to understanding. That means: get in touch, handle any disagreements or black PR or any barriers to being talked to and trusted, then salvage mean to find something ruining your life, like a failed goal to be a doctor or a relationship problem or something and then he slips in something like “I know something that helps with that”, which is the actual salvage, and then gives some personal story and gets you to agree that scientology might help with your ‘ruin” by showing something that seems reasonable… thats the bring to understanding which ends with you signing up and handing over cash.

              Some of the tools are getting you to communicate, demonstrating how control can be a good thing, explore the subject of Help and get some agreement on that, find out if you have interest, and turn that to scientology. It’s a very structured and insidious sales technique designed to prey on your failures in life and then hold out a solution.

            • sugarplumfairy

              Why would being black have anything to do with it?

            • DavidaRochelle

              I was not trying to say anything offensive, and I sincerely apologize if I came across that way. Perhaps you would understand if you heard my conversation with the man and then was directed to the vid.

            • sugarplumfairy

              No prob.. Just wondered..

            • SaAnon

              I am not going to link it on this blog but is called
              Daily Money Team – Lesson- How To Turn Your Life Around- ? (It is a poor quality you tube video with all sorts of Will Smith screen grabs of interviews and appears to be nothing more than an un endorsed- get rich spam ploy, imo.) If that is the video- it appears to have zilch to do with scientology. Just sayin.

            • Robert Eckert

              It may be more practical to change your cell number than to keep getting calls.

        • WhereIsSHE

          So, let me get this straight:

          According to your original post, the only thing he requested of you was your opinion.
          You never provided him with your opinion.
          You told him not to contact you ever again.
          He has not contacted you.

          Also-

          You haven’t provided a link to the supposed Will Smith video.
          You haven’t provided the supposed Craigslist ad.

          Then-

          The best advice you get– change the SIM card in your phone– you reject as impracticle.

          DIAGNOSIS: You can’t be helped.

        • DavidaRochelle

          Actually it was in the “Community” generic section of Vegas CL.

        • Michael Leonard Tilse
          • DavidaRochelle

            You got it. Just want to warn others.

            Have gotten great legit paying and fun gigs off that same Vegas CL.

            • Michael Leonard Tilse

              The use of ‘clarity’ in this context nails it as a scientology feeder attempt. Your personal information probably went directly into their local ‘central files’. You may be getting phone calls from the local scientology ‘org’.

          • Once_Born

            Flagged it as ‘miscategorised’ and filled in the form.

            Name: L Ron Hubbard
            Phone: Use OT Powers
            Call: December 19 2063

        • Sunny Sands

          Some people post an ad in the same area warning others of the sci ad. Here is an example:

          Just so you know, any posts by “Dominick at 407-228-9976” are for the Church of Scientology.

          Learn the TRUTH about Scientology, just Wikipedia “Scientology” or “Dianetics” the non-religious philolosophy that preceded it, or “L Ron Hubbard” the college dropout hack science-fiction writer who invented it.

          • DavidaRochelle

            Fab idea. I’ve tried flagging the more obvious ads; it doesn’t work. There are repeated Scieno recruitment ads in the Community section of Las Vegas.

    • SaAnon

      Do you have the video or a link to it?

    • q-bird

      Farrell, Mike (Actor):

      “To this day, people who tangle with Scientology find themselves
      subject to aggressive efforts at intimidation. Mike Farrell, who played
      B.J. on the television series M*A*S*H, crossed paths with the church
      when he contacted the Cult Awareness Network for information on a film
      project about child abuse. After gaining great respect for their work,
      he attended a fund-raising event at a private home in Beverly Hills,
      where he was confronted by angry picketers. ‘There were people taking
      photographs, being very obvious, getting video footage of the guests as
      they went in and out – obvious harassment,’ he says. Farrell says he
      asked one of the pickets if he was a Scientologist, and the man said
      yes. In an effort to be fair, Farrell had lunch with Reverend Heber
      Jentzsch, president of the Church of Scientology International, and
      investigated Scientology’s charges against CAN. The actor says he found
      them to be based on ‘sham, invective, and distortion.’ Later, at a CAN
      convention near the L.A. airport, Farrell encountered more angry
      Scientologists. ‘Not only did they picket, but they sort of get in your
      face and give you this loud and incessant spiel that doesn’t allow for
      dialogue – it’s just a kind of attempt to intimidate.’ In the last few
      months Farrell has gotten numerous strange phone calls, one telling him
      (falsely, as it turned out) that an old friend had died. There have been
      so many that now when he gets calls after midnight at his home, he
      answers, ‘Hubbard was crazy.’ Sometimes, he says, there’s a long silence
      before the caller hangs up.” – Premiere, Sept. 1993, “Catch a rising
      star”.

      http://www.factnet.org/node/1370/#mikefarrell

      • Once_Born

        In case anyone looks them up, the “Cult Awareness Network” mentioned above is defunct.
        That organisation was bankrupted and bought out by the CofS

        The “New Cult Awareness Network” is yet another CofS front group.
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cult_Awareness_Network

        • q-bird

          Thank you for that addendum Once_Born.

    • SaAnon

      what section of craigslist was it posted in? curious.

      • DavidaRochelle

        CL Vegas in the General Section. I’ve found plenty of legit ads. There are also many obvious (to me) Scieno posts offering free counseling for those with marital issues, communication issues, emotional or anger problems, etc.

    • Once_Born

      Years ago (here in the UK) I saw a misspelled, handwritten card in a shop window, alongside cheap advertisements for local small businesses. The writer, who claimed to be an “academic researcher” said he was “investigating psychiatric abuses”, and invited people to contact him if they had any “personal stories” in this vein.

      I looked up the ‘phone number given, and it was that of the local Scientology {org}. It was a very creepy attempt to exploit vulnerable people.

      That was when I realised that, once you swallow the lie that ‘the end justifies the means’, there is no depth to which you will not stoop. I think that is the only lesson Scientology has to teach.

    • tetloj

      evil bastards!

  • Still_On_Your_Side

    Gerry, how did you survive this crap? I have not heard of any misuse of the civil court system in the last 25 years as disgraceful as what you have endured. I think you should write a book on your legal history, and the book should include all of the rulings, and transcripts. That book will be used in law classes throughout the world. The settlement agreement alone should be used as an example of what happens when lawyers forget they are only given a privilege to practice law, not a right.

  • Artoo45

    Who was the judge in Marin? Are they still on the bench? Has anyone followed the money/influence back to the cult?

  • JessicaSideways

    God damn it, Jon Atack!

    Hathor is an Ancient Egyptian goddess who personified the principles of joy, feminine love, and motherhood. Care to explain how those things are “evil”?

    • Remy

      Someone commented that Hubbard probably screwed it up himself, in his uniquely twisted and foggy mind.

      • JessicaSideways

        Either that or, given Hubbard’s misogyny, it could be that he sees anything “feminine” as evil. 😉

        • Observer

          I wouldn’t be surprised.

      • sugarplumfairy

        She was also known as a bloodthirsty warrior.. It was probably that which he admired..

    • sizzle8
      • Robert Eckert

        When a reader for a publishing firm learned that his firm was actually considering publishing Hubbard’s first book, he immediately jumped out the window, feeling that life had lost all purpose.

  • monkeyknickers

    Well, my mind is blown. Tho I didn’t have far to fall, really.

    Because I am constantly asking, Wait wait . . . . what now?, I followed Tony’s link, above, to these “Admissions” and . . . . read them. Catching up on my homework, me.

    I don’t even know what to say. I cannot IMAGINE the level of betrayal and self-criticism that a young believer Gerry A. must have felt finding these.

    Hubbard was . . . . . a loser. A badly spoiled child with intense mommy issues and the inability to feel empathy. In other words, a total prick.

    I am speechless.

    Okay . . . not REALLY, Bunker. But no one minds me prattling on right?

    Right?

    RIGHT I SAID ?!

    • Robert Eckert

      Everybody’s flabber gets ghasted sooner or later.

      • monkeyknickers

        You are awesome and thusly you win an infant. Assembly not so much required.

        • L. Wrong Hubturd

          Hey, diapers can’t be an more complicated than those damn Ikea instructions, right?

          • monkeyknickers

            I’ll throw some diapers in GRATIS !

            • Robert Eckert

              How about if I just borrow them and send them back later?

            • monkeyknickers

              Hmmm. I don’t think it’s legal to send toxic waste through the mail Robert. 🙂

              I don’t have my glasses, but your avatar seems to be you naked in the snow, inviting hypothermia. Is it??

            • Robert Eckert

              On Mount Shasta.

            • monkeyknickers

              UM . . . . . naked? Were you on a dare?

            • Robert Eckert

              The Bureau of Land Management had just ruled that naked hiking is allowed in Wilderness Areas in California. Friends of mine who knew of my proclivities pointed out to me during a trip to Mount Shasta that while most of it is “park” the area around the summit is in fact designated “wilderness”.

            • monkeyknickers

              NO WAY!

              Are you joshing me?! 🙂 Because I believe everything anyone says. 🙂

            • Robert Eckert

              Not joshing. I did not make the summit.

            • Mark

              Just as long as nothing fell off, Robert.

            • Robert Eckert

              Vigorous exercise generates surprising warmth. I was not barefoot.

            • Mark

              Good. I don’t want to lose such an erudite colleague.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              He’s got pants on. Jeez, settle down there prego hormones.

            • Robert Eckert

              Not in that picture, no. It’s cropped.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Add a diaper genie and you’ve got yourself a deal. Uncle Hubturd at your service.

    • Remy

      Hubbard truly was a monster. It’s remarkable he didn’t end up as a serial killer.

      • Tone

        He did, his weapon was $cientology.

        • Marti

          Tone, That is so true.

      • Observer

        My favorites:

        “There are no snakes in the bottom of your bed.”

        “The wind will not get you ever.”

        He sounds like a bit of a theetie-weetie to me.

        • monkeyknickers

          I totally flashed on both of those too Obs.

          And I got to thinking, what DID happen with his family? It’s not really mentioned but were they disowning him out of shame or something?

          • monkeyknickers

            Perhaps Anthony O. knows the answer to that actually.

            🙂

          • Observer

            That’s the kind of thing that kids in low-single-digit ages are afraid of. Not grown men. Not sane grown men.

            • cicely neville

              That’s a very telling point; all his fears and fantasies are so infantile (and repulsive) no one with half a brain would want to touch him with a bargepole.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Unless it was swiftly to the side of the head….metaphorically, of course.

          • cicely neville

            ‘Bare-Faced Messiah’ talks about his family. Late last child and only son, adoring grandfather, fond older sisters who were more like indulgent aunts – it doesn’t add up.

            It seems his parents were very disappointed with him later. I guess their golden boy just didn’t live up to their hopes, and his ego couldn’t stand it.

          • sister wendy

            aliens grabbed him off the ship when he was in the navy- they gave him a god-implant;)

        • Reny

          Regarding his fear of snakes in the “bottom” of his bed, perhaps he was concerned about his “perfect and lovely feet.”

      • cicely neville

        I don’t remember that one. Too stunned by ‘all men are your slaves’.
        Was there anything he wasn’t insecure about? His: knees feet eyes complexion posture and other body parts which men seem to consider important – damn, the man was a neurotic mess.
        It gives me the fantods to read those things. Once was more than enough.

        • Mark

          Fantods! Years since I’ve seen anyone use that lovely word for a nasty feeling.

          I’m just surprised there isn’t a “Even your most rancid flatulence smells of roses” in the list. But Tubbo probably thought it did anyway – “Every dog’s turd smells well in’s own nose.”

          • cicely neville

            From my go-to book for great quotes, Huckleberry Finn.

        • Reny

          I was thinking about breaking down his affirmations into categories:

          (1) Good intentions: “I love all men”

          (2) Sex: “I am excited by pornography”

          (3) Bodily obsessions/ psychosomatic: “I have perfect and lovely feet”

          (4) Enslavement intentions: “All men are my slaves”

          (5) Absolution from deplorable behaviour: “No matter what
          lies you may tell others they have no physical effect on you”

          I suspect (2) – (5) outnumber (1).

    • Marti

      🙂 Right! said fred.
      And MK, I second your prattle. It is hard to imagine.

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      {Oh, but the TECH, the TECH, the TECH is his gift to mankind. Why are you critics so damn blind to this?}

      • Observer

        It’s a gift, all right. Just like getting socks for your birthday–socks that someone peeled off a sleeping hobo.

        • L. Wrong Hubturd

          Ewwwww. Nasty! Nix socks.

      • Poison Ivy

        Blah blah blah “The Tech” my ass. There’s nothing “technological” about it.

    • Sidney18511

      I loves your prattling MK. Pratt away.

      • monkeyknickers

        You’ll be sorry you said that Sid!! 🙂

    • tetloj

      I think you’re a doll. But no infants for me please. Four children of my own.

    • Missionary Kid

      RIGHT

    • cicely neville

      Yes, one must be rendered speechless in the face of such epic fail. You notice how often we all are so rendered. Feel free to be rendered too.
      Oh, and have some brackets if you need them; {{{{{}}}}}

    • sister wendy

      what’s that by-line we always use: Scientology, it’s always worse than you think…Today’s entire post makes me want to vomit in frustration (can one do that?)

      • monkeyknickers

        If you’re pregnant it’s a whole bunch easier.

        I should use this advantage while i have it. 🙂

        • sister wendy

          yes! How are you doing, btw? I thought maybe you had delivered your little bun:)

          • monkeyknickers

            I’m panicking. I watched a birthing vid on youtube and instantly decided that I’d need some other kind of option. Pneumatic tube. Magical apparition. That kind of thing. 🙂

            And there are actually, crazily, unfathomably

            TWO damn buns.

            Yikes, Wendy. 🙂

            • sister wendy

              Omigosh- I forgot it was twins! Don’t watch those videos! you will just scare yourself;) I suppose you’ve already been told a hundred times it’s all natural;) My experience from being in labor, is that you are so in the flow with the event, the body changes, the pushing, it isn’t scary when you are actually doing it, if that helps. I’m sure others can chime in. The deep breathing really helped me, screaming and yelling helps, good support people help. I had two coaches (friends) and it made all the difference.Good luck and tell us what you need:)

            • monkeyknickers

              But Wendy . . . .when I watched it . . .

              there was poop.

              I almost died.

              I can’t do that. Cannot go there.

            • sister wendy

              not everyone poops…is that a book title?

  • Spackle Motion

    I said this in the last Armstrong post and I’ll say it again here.

    The ex-Scientologists that continue their derision of Armstrong come off as strangely petty and still subscribing to the delusion that LRH was a good person. From the last series of comments, I saw the following arguments against his character (paraphrasing):

    1. Armstrong signed the gag order and should be held responsible because he took a payout. He sold out and should not be trusted.
    **Um, OK. If that is your argument then why doesn’t Debbie Cook get the same type of ad hom treatment from you? What about Tommy Davis? Or the countless others that also received money to keep their mouths shut? Why pick on Armstrong? He’s the only one of the bunch with the courage to keep speaking the truth and you STILL call him names? He’s explained that he received bad legal advice from his atty that was suffering from his own fair game harassment and ill advised Armstrong. Why is this so hard to understand?

    2. Armstrong is a fugitive from the law and skipped the country instead of serving his jail sentence.
    **Um, OK. But not for all of the fair game and legal bullshit he suffered, he would never have been put in a position to leave. Put yourself in his shoes for a few minutes and tell me if you wouldn’t have done the same thing.

    3. Armstrong changed his story over the years in regards to his own biography, and X Y Z details are a complete fabrication.
    **Um, OK. Armstrong was never a cult leader that created a systematic human rights abuse system and propagated dangerous medical quackery for his own benefit. Armstrong has been under severe scrutiny by critics, rabid Scientologist zealots, chased/followed/hunted/threatened for decades and you are picking out a detail (or a few) that changed over the last few decades? And THIS is your reasoning for criticizing the guy? What about Marty Rathbun? He’s the king of revisionist history and you give him a pass?

    My point is that Scientology is really great at creating hypocrites. Gerry Armstrong is not perfect, and sometimes I’ve rolled my eyes at his website because his theories and writings are a bit nutty. But to keep slamming his character seems as if there is a strange misplacement of anger by those that still cannot come to grips with the truth. It is a sad case of blaming the victim that needs to stop.

    • Johan

      Gerry’s writings sometimes reflect some ott paranoia, but I think it’s because of what happened to him. If I had to go through that crap, I would be paranoid too.
      Edit: mike & Marty could do with remembering that sometimes

  • Tone

    And yet the fair gaming of Gerry Armstrong continues almost relentlessly. Just last night I encountered it again on ESMB, from someone who is regarded as a well-respected critic. Sometimes the black PR is subtle, oblique even, but it it is ever present. The rabbit hole is far deeper than most of us realize. The cult has its tentacles deep into the ex-scn community.

    • Spackle Motion

      See my comment below. I believe the constant derision to be a sign that the attacker is still under a cult delusion and it is misdirected anger.

      It makes no sense to me why these people would continue to harbor grudges against a guy that exposed a truth they eventually came to see for themselves.

    • Norwood Partz

      Now, I’m curious. Who?

      Can you direct us curious wogs to the post?

      • 0/10

        • Sidney18511

          Can you give us a little more info Jens?

          • Uhm , sure.

            E S M B is thataway -> http://www.forum.exscn.net/forum.php

            I don’t feel a need to keep up to date with the drama on ESMB, myself. I have observed that ex-members feel strongly about the whole subject, including each other. I’m not surprised. I do not feel drawn to that particular candle, is all I was trying to express, and I see little utility in dragging the drama of other boards onto this one

        • Norwood Partz

          Oh, come on. The only poster on ESMB that has it out for Gerry Armstrong, that comes to mind, is J. Swift.

          It’s alright to say. Who? I’d like to see the context.

          • Spackle Motion

            There are others. J Swift is the loudest screamer, though.

          • Tone

            It was on the natter board. I have run into “Gerry is a good guy but…” type people often in the critic community. It’s almost like the anti-Soviet propaganda from many years ago. Even though most of it was BS, you still hear people parroting it. In just the same way people continue to parrot falsehoods about Gerry. I am not sure even they believe what they’re saying, nevertheless they continue to say it. I have never really had any exchanges with j. Swift beyond having a comment in the same topic on OCMB.

          • KNMF

            There are “exes” who continue to make money off Hubbard’s Tech, and some who are closely associated with those who profit off of Hubbard.
            They don’t want people talking about Hubbard negatively. They don’t have the means to attack Armstrong as directly as Hubbard would like, but they do engage in black PR and censor “entheta” regarding Hubbard, wherever they can. Even as they themselves are being fairgamed by Sci Inc., they do it to others.

            Sometimes they attempt diversionary tactics. They are just trying to protect their own bottom lines and investments.

            If you are making money off of helping people “exteriorize,” then you don’t want somebody coming along saying “nah, that’s just manipulation and hypnosis refined and packaged to sell by an evil man.”

    • there’s always loads of drama, if you go looking for it.

    • GlibWog

      Hahhah I read Tentacles as Testicles
      as in The cult has it’s testicles deep into the ex-scn community

  • Erica

    God bless Gerry. I have nothing but extreme admiration and respect for the man.

    • dbloch7986

      Ditto. The true definition of a modern day martyr

  • Remy

    I didn’t realize Hubbard was injecting testosterone and stilbestrol. He probably messed up his endocrine system severely.

  • dbloch7986

    Lori! My dad said the same thing: that I had to be 18. It never works.

    Gerry and Jon, have you thought about opening a case with the feds about violation of civil rights? I think that’s a separate process that can take place outside of the civil lawsuits being filed by the cult.

  • KNMF

    Has anyone, anywhere, ever heard of a “church” going after somebody, like this?
    Scientology is relentlessly hateful.
    “…ruin him utterly.” – LRH

    It is like when the mob puts out a hit.

    Some people still admire Hitler, so I guess I shouldn’t be surprised that some continue to extoll Hubbard.

    • Nevermore

      Well, no, not since the Middle Ages anyway!

    • tetloj

      Salman Rushdie

      • KNMF

        Good call, that. A Scientology fatwa to destroy and ruin, within their greater Scientology jihad vs the wog world.

        Hubbard wanted to find your ruin, but in many cases he wanted to be your ruin.

  • batfink

    I posted this earlier but it didn’t seem to work. I’ll try again:

    As I pointed out in my first post: for the church of $tink it’s all about the money. I’d say let’s make it about the money: http://inconcert.xenu.ca/why-act-in-concert

    Gerry: you’re my hero!

    batfink

  • Jgg2012

    A bit off topic, but here is what Kirstie tweeted yesterday:

    “freedom if speech is essential…luckily it goes both ways…let the speaking begin”
    An interesting post from someone whose cult does not tolerate dissent.

    • aboutandout

      you should direct her to the bunker today, give her a lesson in Scientology history on freedom of speech

      • Jgg2012

        OK, I will tweet @kirstie alley and recommend this site.

        • Hubbard’s Boil

          I’m not sure she can read.

          • Lark Smith

            She reads- small words that are easy to sound out (hooked on phonics didn’t work all that well)…… She just tells others not to read.

            • KJP in Portland

              Nah, she only says ‘f*ck’ at least 3x each sentence. And the lady is 61? She oughta know better…

    • Marti

      It’s ok. We all know Ms. Alley is a bit off topic.
      Does anyone know if Ms. Alley reads the Bunker?
      It seems she does even though it is not allowed.
      Just wondering.

  • Nevermore

    Incidentally, I don’t know what they threatened Lori’s son with, but it must be horrific if it can make a teenager keep quiet about it.

    • Sam Domingo

      That’s the million dollar question isn’t it? 😉 Thought you’d never ask.

      • Nevermore

        Had to wait until my idiot broadband connection managed to play the video all the way through! Given that he’s been told the contract is illegal and not enforceable, and yet he still won’t talk about it, it must be bad.

        • Sam Domingo

          Bingo.

          • Nevermore

            Oh I do hope so – I’m Scottish, so there would be a nice irony to that!

          • Tory Christman

            This is a Very, VERY bad year for “Dave”. Tick Tock, baby……keep hearing that each time one more person speaks out, tells their story, and helps others connect the dots on your abusive organization pretending to be a “church”. Time….IS on *our* side!! 🙂

        • Sam Domingo

          There’s more to come. This is the message Lori posted on Facebook this morning:
          “Hello Guys. This is Lori Hodgson and this is the first in a series of 5 to 6 videos which tell my story.
          I invite you to stay with me on this journey, surreal as it is, I am living it.
          After _______30 years in the Church,
          I have ended up as Mom without my kids!
          There is probably no greater purpose in my life than being a MOM!!
          I tried very hard to be the best Mom for my children.
          My Mom identity is probably what I care about the most. I love Jeremy and Jessica dearly with all my heart.
          That the Church of Scientology feels it has the moral and ethics
          authority to sever connections between one’s own children is hard to
          swallow.
          How can this be ?
          Follow me in these series of
          videos and travel with me and give me all your prayers and best wishes
          that I get my children back.
          My greatest thanks to Karen De La Carriere, Jeff and Pope for making these video’s of my heart wrenching story.
          Tony Ortega has posted my 1st video. Thank you Tony!!”

      • Spackle Motion

        That’s the 3 million dollar question, actually.

        I hope Lori can eventually tell us this story. I hope she went to law enforcement with it, if it involves a crime.

        • Sam Domingo

          I think Lori is just getting warmed up 🙂

          • Spackle Motion

            Yes, but many ex-Scientologists still want to protect the church and fail to report crimes to law enforcement. I’m not saying that Lori did this (and involving law enforcement is often a futile exercise), but I would hate to learn that Lori knew of a serious crime and did not tell the police even if it is hearsay or third hand.

            For you lurkers, please know that keeping these crimes to yourself is only creating new victims, which makes you partially responsible.

            • Sam Domingo

              You are correct. But Lori isn’t afraid of the cult 🙂 She just needs to line up all of her ducks before she fires.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist
            • Robert Eckert

              She has to get all of those lined up? She could use some help!

          • Tory Christman

            This IS why David Miscavige and others who have trapped young kids “in” deserve to be put in JAIL for a long, long time. Back in the day (late 80’s)—I KNOW they used to threaten kids with “You HAVE to join the Sea Org, OR your parents will be D E A D within 2 years, as IF we don’t clear Earth—the end of the world IS coming”. ( I know, to many “who would believe that?” Remember…this was PRE-NET times, also, plus they were “in” a mind controlled cult). Gavin Potter used to pitch that to kids, and they’d join the Sea Org due to that. Then (shortly after joining) they’d originate they wanted to go.

            With that, the Security Checking would begin, for Sea Org kids. Finally they’d be spit out (and these were UNDER AGE KIDS)…with HUGE “Freeloaders debts” (bills) they were expected to pay, when due to being under age, they could not even work. ARGH~

            Lori—-I’m SO happy you are telling your story. More than anything, I think this will help them HEAR and hopefully wake UP, realize they are being manipulated, badly abused and used …and get them back to you, and your wonderful family. Blessings and love <3 Tory/Magoo

  • MagicJesus

    Instead of always hitting the scientologists up with Xenu barbs, I wish people wouldn’t forget about how LRH lived with Jack Parsons for awhile, did drugs, performed sexual magick rituals, and then ran off with Jack’s woman and money…
    Crowley hated him, which is telling.

  • Robert Eckert

    So next week can we talk about the infamous videotaped encounter with supposed coup plotters? That is the incident in this history that I have seen the most confused and contradictory accounts of.

    It does sound as if Gerry had an excellent legal malpractice case against Flynn. Moral of the story: don’t sign any piece of paper saying that you could end up owing huge sums of money just because a lawyer tells you it won’t be enforced.

  • dbloch7986

    On another note, I just realized that my videos on youtube are getting downvotes…. I guess if you couple that with my mom and sister searching for my address it starts to make sense.

    ETA: Any recent Exes out there that can provide insight into my popularity with ethics? Has anyone heard my name inside the walls of the cult?

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      Wow, pathetic much?
      Keep doing what you are doing!

      • Observer

        They’re still convinced down-arrow tech works. Hahahaha!

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        What’s happening with the party?

    • Sidney18511

      Oh Derek….that is so sad. This SOB of a “church” isn’t satisfied with breaking the hearts of those who leave….they have to stick the knife in and twist. Hugs to you Derek. Stay strong. We are behind you and supporting you with love and good wishes. Always.

    • Nevermore

      Wear your downvotes as badges of honour Derek – you know you’re doing something right if they’re doing that!

    • Once_Born

      Your Videos? on youtube?
      Link please.

    • sugarplumfairy

      Stay safe, Derek.. And if you’re not getting co$ downvotes, you ain’t dong it right!

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Derek…Tony had a thread just a few days ago about the increase of fair game and the usual tactics. There’s been an upsurge in this crap from this paranoid little man boy. Keep aware of it, but don’t let it slow you down. And call if you need to, anytime.

    • MO Mom

      My sister is just a jerk and is not speaking to me – she has issues, not disconnection. Still sucks, because she is a wonderful person. But I have a wonderful group of friends that are as close as family to me, and who are totally there for me, as I have few real family members. Derek, I hope that you have that circle of friends as well. Sometimes a family isn’t related to you at all by blood. Hopefully someday soon, your parents and other family members will have the blinders removed from their eyes and be back in real communication with you. The downvoters are just misguided pawns, doing what they are told. You know that there are tons of up votes here – this crew has your back. Hugs, lad. Better days are near.

  • I’ve been proud to stand beside Gerry Armstrong and protest against the human rights violations perpetrated by the criminal organisation known as the “church” of $cientology. The Californian courts have assisted in a miscarriage of justice and I hope nothing comes off it before true justice is brought to bear on the Co$

  • Jesus, anyone who wants to go into law should be disbarred simply for wanting to go into such a screwball field. My question is: why did Gerry sign the settlement contract in the first place? Was it because of Flynn’s assurances that the contract was unenforceable? If so, a pox on Flynn’s house. He caused Gerry untold amounts of trouble. If Gerry had trusted his gut, which probably told him not to sign the contract until the free speech restrictions were deleted he might have avoided decades of heartache. What a terrible tale. I remember when Gerry was expunged from the Pro TRs Film that LRH shot but never really knew why. Thanks for clearing it up, Tony.

    • Spackle Motion

      Gerry’s lawyer was fair gamed and his family harassed. His attorney gave Gerry bad advice to sign the agreement because the attorney couldn’t handle the heat.

      Lurk more.

    • q-bird

      This is long but note-worthy Joe and explains a lot – for quick hit go to the 1 hour mark…

      http://youtu.be/D6XCXPx9yoQ

      • q-bird, thanks. very enlightening. and very sad.

  • Remy

    I would love to see the logic map of this Hubbard Affirmation:

    “You do not masturbate. Masturbation cannot harm you in any way… You are not afraid that someone will catch you masturbating. No one knows or ever will know. Such discovery would be harmless. You do not masturbate.”

    • nottrue

      its plain to see LRH was insane

      • Robert Eckert

        What a jerk!

        • Sidney18511

          Off.

          • GlibWog

            Hahah I was going to add that..
            Let’s get off the Hubs Sex Talk…It’s making me ILL

            • Jean

              OK, on a totally different topic, another Hubbard Affirmation:

              “The slipperier they are the more you enjoy it because it means their mucous is running madly with pleasure.”

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              I hope you’re happy with yourself. That just made me vomit a perfectly excellent meal of grouper fra diavolo. I wish you many down votes.

            • Jean

              I thought Hubbard was talking about his nostrils?

            • GlibWog

              OMG Grosse me out.. Bleh.. ( Jean you got a down vote..hahhahahahahah I swear to God it wasn’t me..hahahhahaha ) Sickening Hubs Puke

    • Michael Leonard Tilse

      This means:
      I masturbate
      I’ve harmed myself with masturbation
      Mom caught me masturbating
      Mom told Dad, and I heard them laughing about it.
      I was deeply scarred by being found masturbating and would die if people knew
      I masturbate frequently and cannot control myself

      • sugarplumfairy

        A few years ago, I was babysitting my brothers’s kids, two girls and a boy.. We were hunkered down under blankets in the den, watching Charlotte’s Web.. The two girls and I were on the sofa and my six-year-old nephew was alone on the love seat.. All of a sudden, he jumped up in a panic and cried “I broke it! I broke it! Mommy told me if I didn’t leave it alone, I’d break it!”

        being the consummate nurse, I immediately assessed the situation (from a distance.. Didn’t want to cause any engrams) and told him not to worry.. He’d be fine and dandy in no time.. He calmed down almost immediately and seemed to forget all about it.. Later, when his mom and dad got home, I told them about it.. His dad smiled proudly and said “that’s my boy!”

        It irritates me that hubbard and co$ have made this natural personal exercise a method of embarrassing, manipulating and controlling people..

      • KJP in Portland

        Michael, I can’t help to think how grossed out those poor 12, 13, 14, 15 year-old SeaOrg girls on the Apollo were when they had to tend to that pervert. His halitosis, rotten teeth and yellow complexion. Yuck! And, where are the stories of any pedopheliac-type activities? No one can look me with a straight face and say he never got ‘favors’ from them. Just very disturbing to me. Very disturbing. Too bad I couldn’t piss on his grave, if he had one.

        • Reny

          Half of his “affirmations” were about wishing he had a libido. And he was injecting himself with testosterone which probably messed up his endocrine system. Maybe he lost all interest in sex.

          • David and the Shulamite girl.

          • Andrew Robertson

            There’s an interesting though gross reference to this in Bent Corydon’s book ‘L. Ron Hubbard, Messiah or Madman?”’ p 126

            […]

            According to some of the messengers, Hubbard did not have sex with
            them. One of the messengers stated, “I think he got his thrills by just
            having us around.”

            One reason for this is that Hubbard was reportedly impotent. “It is
            documented that Hubbard used huge amounts of testosterone, stilbestrol
            (a female sex hormone). Taking the sex hormones were his solution to an
            impotence problem.”

            One woman with whom Hubbard did have a sexual encounter described a
            very strange experience. She was taken to a room in one of the Sea Org
            buildings in Los Angeles, and describes a man who fits the description
            of Hubbard:

            Sitting on one of the chairs … was a heavy set older man. He had
            reddish grey hair, slightly long in the back. He was wearing a white
            shirt, black pants, black tie, and black shoes, highly polished….

            He didn’t say a word and slowly got up, motioned me to follow him
            into the next room.

            I found myself in a lavish bedroom….

            Without a word he suddenly began to undress me.

            I was repelled by him.

            I did not want to sleep with him. Yet, I felt really chilled and
            cold to the bone at that moment.

            I acutely sensed real fear and danger in the room. In an instant I
            realized the calculated power coming from this person. If I resisted I
            knew that my punishment would be extreme.

            His eyes were so blank, no emotion, no interaction, nothing was
            there.

            I made the decision not to resist no matter what happened. I
            realized it would be a bad mistake for me to do so. He seemed to be
            completely divorced from reality. He was so strange that I realized that
            if I provoked him he could be extremely dangerous.

            I let him undress me without resisting.

            I was totally unprepared for what happened next.

            He lay on top of me.

            As far as I can tell he had no erection. However, using his hand in
            some way he managed to get his penis inside me.

            Then for the next hour he did absolutely nothing at all. I mean
            nothing!

            After the first twenty-five minutes I became about as frightened as
            I have ever been in my life. I felt as if in some perverse way he was
            telling me that he hated me as a female. I then began to feel that my
            mind was being ripped away from me by force.

            That was the worst of it all. I really felt he coveted an aspect of
            my personality and he wanted it. This was weird, total control on a
            level I could not fathom at the time. I had no idea what was happening.

            After half an hour I really thought I was going crazy. I couldn’t
            move my body from underneath him, and I could feel he still had no
            erection.

            He wouldn’t look at me, but instead kept his head averted to the
            side and just gazed into space.

            I had to discipline myself to keep from screaming because I felt I
            was having a nervous breakdown. Then I got the terrible thought that he
            was dead. He was hardly breathing. Then

            I thought he would kill me too. My thoughts became very morbid.

            After an hour he got up and walked out.

            I just lay there for ten minutes. Then mechanically I got dressed.
            Instantly after that I began crying hysterically. I cried and cried and
            cried….

            I didn’t say a word to anyone.

            […]

            Andrew

            • sugarplumfairy

              Wow.. I missed this.. How absolutely horrifying.. She nailed it though.. He hated women… I bet hubbard was trying out some new training routine geared at degrading or manipulating or somehow sexually hobbling his victim..

        • L. Wrong Hubturd

          He probably wanted to, but couldn’t get it up.

    • MagicJesus

      See, that right there is such a deal breaker for any man….(can’t speak for the women)

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      Let call them “Huffirmations” from now on.

      • Mark

        As made by huffalumps (with apologies to A.A. Milne)?

        • L. Wrong Hubturd

          I was worried someone was going to go the Huffington route with a snarky remark. Thanks for surprising me!

          • Mark

            Oh, I think Arianna’s quite capable of making a mockery of herself without any help from us. She cropped up here in the UK last week proclaiming loudly that women who wanted happy families as well as high-flying careers were probably asking too much of themselves – only a decade or so after the ‘having it all’ myth was first debunked. All that money, and she still manages to sound like a streetwalker from Piraeus…

      • Robert Eckert

        I’m bad enough, I’m dumb enough, and doggone it, people despise me!

  • DuckBenway

    Jon: “As the injunction stands, anyone may be fined or jailed for acting ‘in
    concert’ with Gerry Armstrong. Let me say, unequivocally, that I have
    acted in concert with Gerry in preparing these responses.”

    • GlibWog

      Awww that made me all teary eyed Duck.

    • AnonymousSP

      That is a wonderful pic. Thanks for sharing.

  • Kitz

    Thank you Jon, Gerry, and Tony for this. I’ve read and heard about some of the crap that the cos had pulled, but reading it from Gerry is much appreciated. Only solidifies my desire to see this ended, and that no one else can be damaged by this group.

  • BuiltForComfortNotSpeed

    Rather fitting description of Mr. Miscavige’s behavior —

    “The danger of the fanatic to the development of a movement is that he cannot settle down. Once victory has been won and the new order begins to crystalize, the fanatic becomes an element of strain and disruption. The taste for strong feeling drives him on to search for mysteries yet to be revealed and secret doors yet to be opened. He keeps groping for extremes. Thus on the morrow of victory most mass movements find themselves in the grip of dissension. The ardor which yesterday found an outlet in a life-and-death struggle with external enemies now vents itself in violent disputes and clash of factions.” Eric Hoffer, _The True Believer_, p.133

  • 0tessa

    Scientology Enterprise is a living nightmare.
    “For only $99,999 we’ll clear you of all sh*t happening. Then you can experience David Miscavige’s special kind of sh*t.”
    Words of Wisdom from St. Ferenc Francisco and cs. (Found on Vinaire’s blog)

  • KJP in Portland

    I’m back awake. GMT-8 (Pacific US) AND I work graveyard. Oh fun.

    I was too tired this morning when I got off work (about 8 hrs ago). I was about to rip Commenttards a new *sshole for hassling Sam. But then I crashed…

    • Robert Eckert

      Sam demonstrated excellent skills at taking care of herself.

      • KJP in Portland

        Sam did. I like her pluck. She did it very nicely too.

        • aquaclara

          Ok, give her FULL kudos for being brave and kick-ass….she escaped, damn it!!!
          So lets give her tons of applause and thank her for her tremendous ability to kick the cult out on its ass.

  • Jgg2012

    The Armstrong saga reminds me–what happened to Ken Dandar? The Church wanted $1million from him for violating their agreement, he sued them for unduly influencing a judge and depriving him of his rights (Section 1983 of the Civil Rights Act), there was a closed hearing, etc. That was all last year.

  • media_lush

    I had no idea that Mimi Rogers had left…..

    • KJP in Portland

      Hey Judious…boy she was one we had the hots for when ‘we was younger’. Oh my…

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        You sounds a little like Gollum there my precious.

        • KJP in Portland

          …it was a follow-up to some late-70s reminiscing the other night. Sorry. My bad.

          • L. Wrong Hubturd

            No problem. Just sounded Gollumesque.

    • From the brief bio she was the equivalent of Scientology royalty, and I wonder if her leaving was connected to her becoming a mother.

      It was when TC was with her that he began to think about religion in a serious way, at one point, by her own telling, wanting to be a priest. I think his egoism needs to be rooted in a cause greater than himself. But she always struck me as a smart cookie, and this only validates my judgement of her.

      The other thing is that the more names of celebrities who have left are thrown out there, the greater the question becomes, “Why did they leave?”

      • Captain Howdy

        D.M forced her out.

        • As in the Leah Remini case.

          That’s what it sounded like in her Wikipedia article.

          Yah know what they say in Hollywood:

          “Be nice to everyone on the way up, because you never know who you’re going to meet, on the way down.”

          And apparently she herself was an auditor. Hmmmmmmmmmm……. I wonder what tales she could tell, or perhaps she’s decided that silence is the better part of valor. 🙂

        • media_lush

          do you have any inside info?

          whilst Wiki says this:

          “It appears that Mimi Rogers has left the Church of Scientology- she had been described in recent media reports as a “former” member of the church.[31][22][12][32] Cruise biographer, Andrew Morton, alleged that Mimi’s father had been declared a Suppressive Person after leaving the church in the early 1980s during a cull of Mission Holders.[33] Spickler has since become part of the Free Zone movement.[34] A 2012 article in Vanity Fair alleged that Mimi held an unfavorable view of the church’s controversial leader, David Miscavige.[35] In the book, “Going Clear: Scientology, Hollywood, and the Prison of Belief” published in 2013, author Lawrence Wright alleged that Miscavige had pushed Rogers from her marriage with Tom Cruise so the latter could pursue Nicole Kidman.”

          the really spooky part I read was this……

          “At the beginning of their acting careers, Rogers lived with Kirstie Alley”, … wonder if they’re still friends?

      • Jean

        “Scientology Royalty”

        Now there is a term that has lost all currency

        I doubt anyone these days would wish that on their worst enemy!

    • SP ‘Onage

      I found this on Mimi Rodger’s father Philip J. Spickler. I knew he was the person responsible for recruiting Tom Cruise into the cult in the mid-’80s, but I didn’t know this:

      He gave a firsthand account of L. Ron Hubbard’s virulent anti-Catholicism. Although Scientology publicly portrays itself as compatible with Christianity, in one of a series of emails he has written to friends and associates since his defection, Spickler writes that Hubbard “often referred to the Pope as ‘Dr. Pious,’ and the priests as his ‘witchwater boys.’”

      In addition, Spickler writes, Hubbard ironically dismissed Catholicism as a “very successful operation to control the spirit, minds, and bodies of those who fell under its thrall before they attained an age where they could reason and discriminate and choose for themselves.”

      • sugarplumfairy

        Yet another credo from which he stole material..

      • Nevermore

        And yet they let you walk away with no hassle and no freeloader bill!

  • KJP in Portland

    Hi ‘regs’…

    My thought for the day:

    In most countries, Scientology is banned or at least NOT given church status. I think the only reason they are still operating is because the US Government cowed to them years ago and gave them that tax-exempt status. That alone has allowed the cult to become rich beyond words.

    I think we would see the smouldering embers of the end of Scientology, IF the US government pulled all special statuses from the cult, and banned them as a (think Bernard Madoff here) Ponzi-type, MLM-scheme. THAT’S how you nail them.

    Until our government has the ‘nads tocrack down on this and other cults. Scientology, albeit, becoming more and more of a joke to the American common populace, will continue slithering along.

    WTF is MY federal government scared of? Does Obama need an audience with The Pope? The Archbishop of Canterbury, and other religious leaders to CLEARLY show them that SciScam is NOT a religion, and the REAL churches (bad or good) need, rather MUST, back away from attempting to support the ‘religious rights’ of this cult.

    Then, whatever the cost, whatever the ‘dirt’ on the feds; slam the hammer on the organization. Organize the Army National Guard, Army, Navy Seals, etc. and occupy and shut down the cult and throw ALL top-ranked leaders in prison, pending trial, for all the GROSS human rights abuses, mysterious deaths, medicine without license, fraud, and oppressive treatment of its ‘common’ members.

    Please, my creator, grant me this wish before I die…

    KJP in Portland

    (The depths of how bad I feel for what many of you endured is beyond words)

    • Sidney18511

      If Obama discovered the cure for cancer the rightwingers would blast him screwing the anti-cancer drugs from making money. Can you just imagine what the RWNJs would do if he opened an investigation against the COS? Fox news and the Limbaugh would scream from the rooftops that Obama was “commin for their religion” Obama is a good man. A smart man. A reasonable man, unfortunatly, the brainwashed teapublicans are NOT.

    • Nevermore

      That’s what needs to be done – but what steps can Americans take to get it done? And how do you get the rest of the people motivated/involved? I’m not being snarky, I’m asking genuine questions – I have an idea of what i would do, but being in the UK, our ways and mechanisms are probably different from yours.

  • lisacarolfremont

    It’s hard to believe that Mr Armstrong left scientology in 1981 and he is still being persecuted for daring to tell the truth about L Ron Hubbard. I hope both Gerry and Jon continue to speak their truth and are comforted to know they are helping people break free of the lies and abuse in scientology. The personal sacrifices you have made are huge and I hope soon we can see justice in the courts for Gerry. Thank you both so much.

    I am not a legal scholar but there is a lot here to parse from the Marin County Judge:

    “So my belief is Judge Breckenridge, being a very careful judge….if he had been presented that whole agreement and if he had been asked to order its performance, he would have dug his feet in because that is one …. I’ll say one of the most ambiguous, one-sided agreements I have ever read. And I would not have ordered the enforcement of hardly any of the terms if I had been asked to, even on the threat that, OK the case is not settled. I know we like to settle cases. But we don’t like to settle cases and, in effect, prostrate the court system into making an order whic is not fair or in the public interest.”

    I mean for one thing, saying, even if it’s being cheeky, that Judge Breckenridge was never presented the whole agreement, is a compelling assumption. It could just be a chiding of Judge B, but the point is made by the Marin County judge that the gag-order agreement was ambiguous and one-sided; and should never of been enforced.

    • KJP in Portland

      Modern-day US courts MUST throw-out that 30 year old decision.

      • KJP in Portland

        …and since Sci f*cked his life up so bad, for 30? years. I hope a modern court awards Gerry about $100 million from the bastards for all the years he lost and personal anguish because of it.

        I hope one day to also see awards handed out to ex-Sci that were abused by the cult. But, even a couple million each doesn’t erase the memories and emotional damage that will haunt all of them for the rest of their lives.

  • KJP in Portland

    The KEY to hearing the death rattle of Co$ is revocation in the US of their church status. Then, run them off to North Korea.

    • Mark

      Oh, how can you be so cruel to the poor North Koreans? They’re already suffering with the loathesome Kim dynasty, and you want to dump Shortarse, OSA, and all the rest on them? For shame!

      (Though removing the ‘C’ from Co$ is an excellent start).

    • Norwood Partz

      Actually, the North Koren dictator getting hooked on Scientology is perfect!

      Why not?

  • KJP in Portland

    The NSA and Dept. of Homeland Security can play dirtier than Mister Cabbage. Nail ’em!

  • Reny

    Have any indies/freezoners here read Hubbard’s “Affirmations?” I’m curious what your thoughts are about them.

    • tetloj

      I believe their position would be that “just because the man was flawed doesn’t invalidate the tech….many great men were flawed in other ways yada yada yada…can we change the subject now please.”

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        It’s kind of like being OK with Darth Vader because he was Lukes father. Oh ,except for the part where Luke did something beneficial for mankind.

        • Jean

          I wonder if Star Wars drove Hubbard nuts. I mean, he must have been insanely jealous, and lost sleep over how he could have done better, and it should have been his place to make such a movie.

          • L. Wrong Hubturd

            I’m not talking to you for the Huffirmation you posted.

            • Jean

              “All mankind shall reply to my posts because I will it to be so”

            • Observer

              Hahaha!

            • Robert Eckert

              Because you POSTULATE it. Don’t they teach kids anything these days?

          • L. Wrong Hubturd

            I’ve read that Scinos at the time took it more as a documentary, than fiction. Going to see it over and over again, as if to confirm their own whole track recollections.

  • Captain Howdy
  • Jean

    This cracks me up – from Mike Rinder’s blog – Miscavige is reporting the number of “perceptics” trained for the superpowers trainees.

    “Super Power auditor trainees: 100 are on this training, currently co-auditing the rundown, and they have audited 4501 perceptics in total.”

    LOL that’s like so many perceptics!!!

    • RMycroft

      I can call spirits from the vasty deep.

      • Observer

        That made me snort for real.

      • Jean

        But can you smell them?

    • Andrew Robertson

      There are 57 amazing perceptics in ‘Super Power’. So 5,700 – 4,501 = 1,199 remaining for the brave volunteers.

      I bet they’ve all done the oiliness table though everyone seems to be leaving the ‘Pain Table’ till last!

      Andrew

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        Throw some radiation in there and maybe we’ll get some Xmen out of the deal.

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      Just wandered over there. I made the mistake of reading some comments again. I will never learn. It’s like a car accident. Those folks and their cray cray just make my head hurt. So sad that they’re out but still trapped.

      • Herod

        They are out. Not trapped. Temporarily confused and disoriented, perhaps. But free.

  • media_lush

    absolutely stonking tennis match on now … Nadal v Djokovic 3 all final set…. {sky sports 3 in UK]

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      Tourney? Hard court warm-up for U.S. Open I suppose….

      • media_lush

        [Montreal Open] Nadal just won in a tie-break…. the level reached when the top 4 play each other is just amazing

        • L. Wrong Hubturd

          Yes it is.

          I was lucky enough to be there for the 1991 Jimmy Connors “comeback” semis match at the US Open. Just. Wow.

          • Jean

            Very cool. History in the making.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Oh sure, try to sweet talk me now, huh? 😉

              I’ve never felt an atmosphere like that before or since. I truly was electric in that stadium. I believe it must be the same feeling that deeply spiritual folks get during a good sermon or rousing choir number.

  • SP ‘Onage

    Gerry and Lori, I admire both of you because you’re not quitters. Your unwavering fortitude, aggressive perseverance and indomitable spirit against terrific odds is inspiring.

    “Most people who succeed in the face of seemingly impossible conditions are people who simply don’t know how to quit.”….Sound familiar? 🙂

    Wishing you both the best. Keep fighting the good fight!

  • Captain Howdy

    Eydie Gorme dead at 84

    RIP EYDIE

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55rtXg0ZsLE

    • aboutandout

      My first thought was oh my she was still alive? she was really old. My second thought was oh god I am old…time for bed…this is depressing…lol

  • media_lush

    Reddit have put out an AMA request to Leah Remini [Ask Me Anything for those that might not know]

    http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/1k3xnt/ama_request_leah_remini_actress_former_member_of/

    [should note that this is a really big deal…. even Obama did one]

    • Jean

      WTF, it says 3000 people are looking at that page currently? Wow

  • Herod

    These personal affirmations, or reflections of Hubbard are priceless. It would be fun if each Bunker fan picked their favorite Hubbard affirmation, and put it as a “footer” as a routine at the end of their post.

    ________________________

    Lord help women when you begin to fondle them. You are master
    of their bodies, master of their souls as you may consciously wish.
    You have no karma to pay for these acts. You cannot now accumulate
    karma for you are a master adept. Your voice is low and compelling to
    them. Singing to them, for you sing like a master, destroys their will
    to resist. -LRH

    • Nevermore

      I don’t know whether to laugh or puke at the thought of El Loon crooning. I’ll get back to you on that!

    • 0tessa

      Another Hubbard quote: “I am merciless’.
      Well, we have seen that! No doubt Miscavige has the same ‘affirmation’ in his reactive mind.

  • Johan

    I can only hope that the thought comforts you Gerry, for all you have suffered: I believe you have saved dozens maybe hundreds of people from a lifetime of slavery. That’s a great achievement in anyone’s life

    • DodoTheLaser

      Thousands.

  • DodoTheLaser

    I’m really intrigued why scientology would gag Lori’s underage son (at the time) with $3 mil gag agreement.

    • 0tessa

      Scientology Reli-enterprise must have done something really bad to have to pay $3 mil for it!

      • Robert Eckert

        They’re not paying $3M, they’re demanding that a little kid pay $3M.

  • DodoTheLaser

    Gerry speaking to Russians:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Xrn2nGiYZ4

    There whole lot more vids on youtube of Gerry.
    My respect and appreciation.

  • Norwood Partz

    Just noticed that a bunch of posts – possibly for “political” reasons? – have been deleted.

    Is that a usual occurrence?

    I hope not.

    • Nevermore

      We’ve had a compulsive poster/deleter in the Bunker over the last couple of days – probably him/her.

    • Espiando

      No, that’s Commentstars. He was drawn over here earlier this week when we did a gang-bang sec check on a Hollyweird Reporter story and turned him into ground chuck, so he decided to get back at us. What he does is make a bunch of comments designed to offend everyone with any sort of common sense, then go into Delete Fucking Everything Mode.

      We’ve never had a troll like him/her/it/amoeba over here before. It’s actually mildly refreshing.

  • F_Randy_Hullabaloo

    “…magic ceremonies (such ceremonies include the bizarre Blood Ritual,
    where Hubbard dedicated himself to the service of the black goddess,
    Hathor, the destroyer of mankind. Omar Garrison showed me a copy of this
    deplorable document).”

    Hathor must not be who Hubbard thinks he’s talking about. Hathor is not a “black goddess,” just the opposite. Here are a couple of links about the goddess Hathor: 1) http://www.pantheon.org/articles/h/hathor.html 2) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hathor 3) Common image: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/47/Hathor.svg/220px-Hathor.svg.png

  • Guest

    Hello

  • TickTockDM

    A Russian translation of this Aug. 10, 2013 post has appeared at the link below:
    http://www.apologetika.ru/win/index.php3?razd=11&id_d=2013-08-14&id2=3116