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Blogging Dianetics, Part 6: Reactive Mind Games

DianeticsStandardWelcome to our ongoing project, where we blog a 1950 first edition of Scientology’s bible, Dianetics, with the help of ex-Scientologist, Bay Area lawyer, blogger, and author Vance Woodward. Go here for the first post in the series.

[NOTE: As a bonus, we’ve got the new Scientology sing-a-long sensation at the bottom of the page.]

It’s time for Hubbard to lay his cards on the table. We’ve been going through a lot of windup over the first 70 pages of frontmatter and the initial chapters of this book. Much of it has been a classic of the tall tale method: we’re told that a secret has been discovered which is going to release the superhuman inside of each of us. But what is that discovery?

Hubbard really can’t delay any longer, and it’s here, in this second chapter of Book Two, that he has to make his claim to what his discovery is and how it works. Perhaps that’s why this chapter is by far the most expressive and even operatic in tone. Hubbard is really laying it on thick, and he’s doing his best to sweep the reader into an ecstatic state as he makes his big reveal…

There’s a demon inside of each of us, holding us back, ruining our plans, keeping us from being who we really could be. And that demon is something he calls the reactive mind.

Hubbard frames this chapter in the context of evolution, arguing that although our minds — at least our analytical minds — are perfect recording computers, we evolved in a trying environment with rather traumatic experiences, such as being eaten by predators. So, in order to make that less painful, another part of the mind developed that takes over as we go through such trauma. Our perfectly recording analytical minds are then interrupted by this interloper, the reactive mind, which makes its own perfect copies of everything we experience during times of extreme stress and pain. (These moments are recorded in something called engrams, which Hubbard says are stored in cellular protoplasm. We’ll come back to that whopper in a future chapter.) The problem, Hubbard says, is that this sort of survival module in our heads is no longer needed in a modern context, and in fact has become a huge pain in the ass. Because not only does this reactive memory bank faithfully record the worst times of our lives, it makes us relive them when something similar happens to us that restimulates the earlier trauma.

It’s this reactive mind, storing up our worst fears, which keeps us from making use of that perfect analytical computer we have inside each of us, a superhuman engine that could make life full of vigor.

Gosh, it’s a nice tale, Vance, and if you’re familiar with popular literature of the time, other writers were exploring similar ideas in fiction. Throughout this book, Hubbard talks about the ability to remember every tactile detail of every moment of your life as if it were a sort of paradise we all strive for. But we can’t help thinking of a 1942 story by Jorge Luis Borges, Funes, the Memorious, in which he portrays that kind of total recall as a nightmarish prison.

Anyway, we once again run into the problem that Hubbard is telling a fancy tale about the human mind without providing any evidence to back it up. But here, at least, he makes a very bold statement — almost a dare, really.

“The detective work which was invested in the location of this arch criminal of the human psyche occupied many years. Its identity can now be certified by any technician in any clinic or in any group of men,” he writes.

Vance, does it occur to Scientologists that this simply isn’t true? Doesn’t it bother them that science hasn’t, in fact, independently found that the human mind works like this, resembling a 1950 mainframe computer, and with a “demon” side that stores traumatic memories in cellular protoplasm?

VANCE: It might occur to many Scientologists that the underlying theory is complete nonsense. But we Scientologists are very good at putting those niggling doubts into the far corners of our minds. We know any doubts come from the reactive mind, anyhow. It gives us those doubts because it’s just seeking to protect itself (ah, how very clever).

We don’t have to worry much about whether LRH got the structural aspects dead on. After all, he repeats several times in the book that the structural part of the theory is unimportant. Earlier in the book, he says, for instance, “And so bear with us, psychiatrist, when your structure is not used, for we have no need for structure here,” and, “This mind may live in the pre-frontal lobes — there is some hint of that — but this is a problem of structure, and nobody really knows about structure.” He goes on in this vein in the following chapter.

And we need to interpret this in light of LRH’s many discoveries later on. We know that we can recall countless incidents from countless lifetimes. So, presumably cells have nothing to do with memory anyhow. Our memories are somehow saved in the theta ether, or something.

Besides, it’s not surprising that wog scientists haven’t discovered anything about the mind because they don’t even have a definition of the mind. Wog scientists study brains, not minds. And they always need proof, but they can’t actually perceive the truth when they’re confronted with it. (For newcomers, “wog” is a pejorative used to refer to non-Scientologists. It’s derogatory British slang for dark-skinned people which Hubbard co-opted for his own use.)

These are the kinds of things you’ll hear Scientologists say. The retreat always ends with something like, “Just apply the technique and find out for yourself that it works” (or else you’ll be up for costly retraining or even more costly and humiliating ethics correction if you fail to discover that it works).” Those who don’t think it works quickly leave. Those who do think it works stick around despite the expense and humiliation. Some of us, (cough) might even like the humiliation.

THE BUNKER: That’s another incredibly helpful answer, Vance. Hubbard, meanwhile, really goes for broke as this chapter rolls on.

Now that he’s revealed the reactive mind to be his great discovery, he imbues it with incredible power…

“It can give a man arthritis, bursitis, asthma, allergies, sinusitis, coronary trouble, high blood pressure, and so on down the whole catalogue of psycho-somatic ills, adding a few more which were never specifically classified as psycho-somatic, such as the common cold.”

And he gets poetic congratulating himself for his insight…

“This is the mind which made Socrates think he had a “demon” that gave him answers. This is the mind that made Caligula appoint his horse to a government post. This is the mind which made Caesar cut the right hands from thousands of Gauls, which made Napoleon reduce the height of Frenchman one inch. This is the mind which keeps war a thing of alarm, which makes politics irrational, which makes superior officers snarl, which makes children cry in the fear of the dark. This is the mind which makes a man suppress his hopes, which holds his apathies, which gives him irresolution when he should act, and kills him before he has begun to live. If there ever was a devil, he invented it.”

Every person possesses a reactive mind, Hubbard says. And he assures us that no one tested has failed to turn up one. But he never explains to us how an independent researcher could perform such a test, or what such a test would consist of.

In fact, he’s so impressed with his own discovery, he can’t help expressing that it’s amazing he ever came up with it…

“It seems incredible at first glance that the source could have remained so thoroughly hidden for so many thousands of years of research. But at second glance, it becomes a wonder that the source was ever discovered. For it is hidden cunningly and well.”

The engram, meanwhile, is something that we are assured has been tested rigorously in a “laboratory”…

“In all laboratory tests on these engrams they were found to possess ‘inexhaustible’ sources of power to command the body.”

As we pointed out earlier, however, Hubbard already gave up that game, admitting that by “laboratory” he was talking about chatting with friends in the “world.”

And finally, Hubbard finishes this remarkable chapter of bold assertion and zero evidence with this flourish…

“An enormous quantity of data has been sifted. Not one single exception has been found. In ‘normal people,’ in the neurotic and insane, the removal of these engrams wholly or in part, without other therapy, has uniformly brought about a state greatly superior to the current norm. No need was found for any theory or therapy other than those given in this book for the treatment of all psychic or psycho-somatic ills.”

So there it is. Hubbard’s big reveal. You have a demon inside you that resisted discovery for thousands of years, and that even he had a difficult time finding. But now that he has, its days are numbered, and he’s going to turn us all into supermen.

Vance, do you remember first encountering this chapter and its claims? Can you recall how it hit you?

VANCE: Yeah, I first read Dianetics when I was fifteen, back in the pre-Internet days of 1989/90. So it was just me, my gullibility, and LRH.

I was hopeful. I didn’t exactly articulate it then, but my thinking went like this: Here’s this guy claiming a 100 percent cure. That would, I presume, include the ability to fix the emotional troubles my family and I were going through. Now, allowing for weaseliness, maybe Hubbard alone did all the tests he claimed were done. So, we don’t know that the techniques will work 100 percent of the time in everybody’s hands. Nevertheless, we assume that the techniques do, in the right hands, work 100 percent of the time.

He could have said something like (anticipating the tone of coming chapters), “Hey, this is a layman’s therapy. Anybody can use it, though you slutty, abortion-attempting women should probably stick with making sandwiches because this stuff requires vigor. Anyhow, don’t expect too much. It works most of the time on most people, but even 40 percent efficacy would be pretty terrific, right?”

Nope. He didn’t say that. He said it works 100 percent of the time. It simply never occurred to me that his claim of 100 percent efficacy could be a 100 percent shameless lie. I didn’t conceive that somebody could lie outright about such an important point. I thought that he apparently could effect 100 percent cures on a more-or-less random sample. So, it’s possible to do. And if it’s possible to do, then I can learn to do it.

And so, even before I tried the technique, I was totally primed to blame any failures on myself or my auditor … anything other than the technique and Hubbard’s communication thereof. And this is something that all Scientoloholics must do: blame all failures on themselves and their incorrect application of LRH’s faultless instructions. Even indie Scientology addicts do this, so far as I can tell.

THE BUNKER: Well, there you’ve gone and done it. No need picking fights with the indies when they’re already at each other’s throats in doctrinal disputes. We’ll just stick to those halcyon days of 1950, and the virginal eyes that first took in this material. It’s safer that way!

Next week — Blogging Dianetics, Part 7: The Hard Cell

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ANOTHER EPIC IAS VIDEO REDEFINES “CRINGEWORTHY”

Our thanks to those clever folks at Chanology, who very early this morning posted a real gem: a new International Association of Scientologists (IAS) video by our old friends in Melbourne. We can always count on the very sunny Scientologists in Victoria to give us a lift…

 
There’s so much here to savor. We can’t help thinking of the parallels to the IAS video produced by similarly fly white church members in Copenhagen, Denmark. Also, Chanology Leaks points out that using an Elvis Presley imitator is particularly bad form, since Elvis elbowed Scientology in the ribs. But ultimately, we can’t help feeling some disappointment, because seeing these Melbourne wackadoodles reminds us how much we miss the Melbourne Day Rap Battle Team, perhaps the greatest contribution to Scientology hip-hop of all time, notwithstanding the excellent stylings of the great Chill E.B.

Can someone track down for us another copy of the Rap Battle Team’s amazing song? We sure miss it.

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Posted by Tony Ortega on February 8, 2013 at 07:00

 

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  • Observer

    “This is the mind which … which made Napoleon reduce the height of Frenchman one inch. This is the mind which keeps war a thing of alarm …”

    A) How exactly did Napoleon shorten the French by precisely one inch? Did LRH discover this stature-reducing technique and test it on his protege DM, only to discover that he lacked Napoleon’s delicate touch and reduced Davey’s height significantly more than one inch?

    B) Don’t be alarmed by war. War is soft and cuddly. War is your friend.

    What a self-congratulatory old gasbag L. Con Hubbard was. Revolting.

    • FistOfXenu

      “B) Don’t be alarmed by war. War is full of rainbows and unicorns. War is soft and cuddly. War is your friend.”

      Just what I thought when I read that part. Even the first time I read it I thought WTF? Shoulda stopped right there.

      That video. Tony, that’s 6 min of my live stolen and incinerated. Can you give it back to me? Thought not. My cat even ran out of the room.
      🙂

      One quotable from around 2:34: “the mind to make believe”. And there we go, we’re straight back into the Dianetics book.

      That “preacher” failed. He left out “make it go right” and “expanding”.

      From the guy using a microwave instead of his OT powerz to all those legendary singers, all I could think was We need something more than thumb up or down. So here’s a new one: ,|,, Figure it out. (Hint: no thumb)

      • BuryTheNuts2

        Baahaaahaa. Too Easy Fist!

    • Poison Ivy

      “Did LRH discover this stature-reducing technique and test it on his protege DM, only to discover that he lacked Napoleon’s delicate touch and reduced Davey’s height significantly more than one inch?” Just choked on my tea. Can’t breathe, laughing so hard.

  • Whoever included an Elvis impersonator in the IAS video hasn’t heard what Elvis thought of Scientology. Here’s a quote from an Elvis biography about his thoughts after visiting a Scientology center: ” F*&% those people! There’s no way I’ll ever get involved with that son-of-a-bitchin’ group. All they want is my money.”

    • Cymboli Starsong

      Why should they care? They have a class which teaches people who to lie. Facts are as insignificant to $cientology as the death of a house fly.

      • Poison Ivy

        Is there really a class that exists for that purpose (not that all of them don’t teach people how to lie, in some way?) But is there a specific one that teaches prevarication techniques?

        • BuryTheNuts2

          TR-L: (Training Routine: Lying)
          Training Stress: In Part 1 coach gives command, student originates a falsehood. Coach flunks for out TR 1 or TR 0. In Part 2 coach asks questions of the student on his background or a subject. Student gives untrue data of a plausible sort that the student backs up with further explanatory data upon the coach’s further questions. The coach flunks for out TR 0 and TR 1, and for student fumbling on question answers. The student should be coached on a gradient until he/she can lie facily.

          • Cymboli Starsong

            Exactly. This is why spokespeople and celebrities always come across as absolute and definitive in their defense of $cientology in the face of criticism. They have gone through behavior and cognitive conditioning to prevent the typical traits and characteristics associated with lies and half truths. With all of Hubbard’s hatred for psychologists, his techniques employee techniques used by behavioral psychologists to control behavior and thought. Look up BF Skinner.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Birds of a Pavlovian feather.

          • Poison Ivy

            Whoa – Now that gives me chills. TR-L indeed. In many ways. though. it helps explain any actor’s affinity for Scientology. Not the lying part, but the making up stories, backstories, and learning to believe them yourself (for this is characterization) etc…the concentration exercises – many actors or former actors will recognize how much these resemble more regimented versions of basic acting exercises. I did this years ago studying acting and do it now as a writer and the stories of my characters become real to me. So I can easily see actors having a great deal of fun and getting a huge amount of creative satisfaction and fulfillment from doing the TR’s and doing them well. Little do they know they are being manipulated and brainwashed as the process advances.

            • DeElizabethan

              Right PI, and one doesn’t need the TR-L necessarily. One just needs to be able to act a little, learn your script and know your part or cover, so to speak. A little practice and because you’re sure you are doing this for some great purpose or for money, you just do it. You’ve already been brainwashed.

          • Captain Howdy

            From what i’ve read TR-L is for OSA only.

            ” In a 1992 Canadian court case, the lawyer defending the Church of Scientology said that “the prosecution witnesses (Scientologists testifying against the Church!) could not be believed, because they had all taken special training in how to lie.””

          • Still_On_Your_Side

            Why, what is the reason given?

            • BuryTheNuts2

              For what ? Lying?

            • Still_On_Your_Side

              Why train people in lying?

    • blissfulldreams

      shame his wife and daughter did not take his advice

    • Synthia Fagen

      Even if Elvis never said a critical word about the cult, he belongs in an IAS video why? Lol. It’s just so absurd. That’s one of the stupidest videos ever! Sheesh.

      Clearly they have no ability to perceive how they appear to others. I just cringe to think that I was ever in this state! Please forgive me ya’ll. Gawd!

      They just love to produce these sappy, “feel good”, videos congratulating themselves in honor of their own egos.

      • DeElizabethan

        Absolutely stupid. Looks like their trying to compete with Real religions only being the IAS in this video is Supreme.

  • I found myself inadvertently improving ths song by howling like a wolf after every time you hear “it’s you”‘ it becomes “it’s you ooh oooh ooooooh”, try it.

    I don’t think one person sang in tune at all, which is a feat in itself, and the gay face boogie moves by Mark Caliguiri close to the end made it for me.

    • BosonStark

      Shadow beard guy gets special freedom/valor award for bad voice, and by “bad” I don’t mean good. The song sucked. I could listen to We Stand Tall all day but once was enough for this.

      • Poison Ivy

        Where is autotune when you need it? Perhaps Scientology should recruit Kanye West for a little remedial autotune lesson?

        • Captain Howdy

          I assumed they were using autotune !

  • Skydog

    Hot chicks and mother jumpin lyrics set to a catchy jingle – makes me want to empty my bank account.

  • The Elvis in the IAS video just disturbed me. I couldn’t comprehend why he was there and the only good he did was distract me from the bad singing, horrible lyrics and cringe-worthy rapping.

    • FistOfXenu

      “cringe-worthy rapping” = “crapping”.

    • scnethics

      Inserting random whatnot is as scientology as L. Ron Hubbard. Long ago when citizens of Clearwater organized a protest around the Fort Harrison Hotel (this was shortly after they figured out they had been invaded), a church member dressed up in a giant Captain Crunch outfit and walked out among them. I didn’t know what he was doing, but on some scientological level, it made sense to me.

  • Mary_McConnell

    [..]He could have said something like (anticipating the tone of coming chapters), “Hey, this is a layman’s therapy. Anybody can use it, though you
    slutty, abortion-attempting women should probably stick with making
    sandwiches because this stuff requires vigor…. “[..] Too funny!!
    This project is one of the most entertaining and enlightening reading events for me.

  • Cymboli Starsong

    Damnit Tony, now I won’t be able to keep down the rice crispies.

  • BuryTheNuts2

    Ok, I only made it to 1:59 on the IAS video. The brunette can sing. Somebody get her the f*ck outta there! She needs rescued stat.

    Otherwise, that was usual Scientology suckage.
    Everything these morons do feels about mid 1980’s.
    I think they are stuck in an electronic incident.

    • Cymboli Starsong

      If you want to see really bad 80s, go look at the We Stand Tall video. That one reason why it is higher in creep factor than this is you get see DM, Rathbun and Rinder singing lol.

      • BuryTheNuts2

        Oh NO…been there, done that!
        Besides, the irony is too much for me.

      • stillgrace

        Anonymous members have another version of that video. Now THAT is stuck in my mind’s eye.
        Thank you???

        • Cymboli Starsong

          Yeah i’ve seen that one. It has link to a video from this z list celebrity preventing a kid from going into a Subway. Seriously jacked up.

          • stillgrace

            I’ve seen that Subway video. The woman that denied service to the girls is now infamous.

            The picture that I have stuck in my head now is actually an Anonymous still shoop. It’s not an actual video, just some imaginative shoops. I’ll post an PG-rated version of one here. I don’t want to offend anyone.

            • VickiStubing

              I’m not sure even the PG version is not offensive. But I like it! ;D

            • stillgrace

              Sorry. I apologize. Now I wish I could take it down. I’ll take this as a sign that I spend way too much time in the WWP DM shoop thread. It’s warped my mind.

            • Captain Howdy

              Ha Ha that’s brilliant. And this blog is rated “R”..I think.

            • Cymboli Starsong

              That is absolutely hilarious.

            • David Miscavige definitely has DSL.

              (anyone wanting to know what that acronym stands for should Google “DSL Urban Dictionary”)

      • Poison Ivy

        I love that video. It’s a classic.

    • Observer

      What’s weird is they sounded okay singing solo (except the guy with the beard, who was sharp), but as soon as their voices were blended it sounded like fingernails on a chalkboard.

      As for the rap … give it up, Scientologists. You can’t.

    • VickiStubing

      I usually go for gingers with accents but this is too much. Guess we just found MY ruin mwahahaha.

    • Captain Howdy

      Actually Scn connection aside it’s no worse musically than 90 % of the pop music I’ve heard in at least the last 20 years since the corporations have taken complete control and killed real rock’n’roll and created this singer based easier to control, more profitable type scenario we have today. Individuals are easier to manipulate then groups who play instruments and write their own music.It’s no worse than Glee or American idol or what’s on the top 40. It’s not just a scn problem

      • BuryTheNuts2

        You get no disagreement from me on THAT!
        But if you go digging for the other 10% there is some good stuff.

        And with that said, I thought most of the top 40 crap in the seventies and eighties sucked too.

  • Ms. B. Haven

    One of the first red flags I encountered (and ignored) when I first read Dianetics was the inference that there was this vast body of research out there some where because the subject was 100% workable. I remember conjuring up the image that there were sequestered groups of people in research labs who had refined the techniques that Hubbard was revealing in this book. After all, he presented very specific qualities that a ‘clear’ would posses, and to be able to outline those qualities and let the entire world know that anyone could attain this state surely must have required many years of research. No one has been able to produce ANY documented research that went into this subject before this book was written. THERE IS NONE! I’m sure that Hubbard tinkered around with this stuff on his own, but the fact remains, there is NO body of research behind this subject.

    Later on when I tried to ‘run’ Dianetics, it never did work for me. Nothing. Never found an engram. I tried and tried, but even with the assistance of one of those fancy e-meters that came along later; nothing. I just figured that I was what they refer to as a ‘dog pc’; someone who couldn’t do this stuff because I was suppressive or some sort of a ‘no case gain’ type person. Of course I thought that everyone around me was able to do this stuff and I was the only one who was having difficulty. I didn’t bother to look and see that those who were ‘clear’ sure as hell didn’t have the qualities of a ‘clear’ as described in this book (or anyone of the many definitions that came later either). They were just as screwed up as I was, but since they were further ‘up the bridge’ than I was, the only difference was that they probably had been fleeced out of more money than I had.

    As for the video, “compassion conquers all” is the line that jumped out at me. I’m here to tell you that in all of the years that I was involved with this group, I don’t remember compassion being mentioned once. In fact, any concepts around that word were considered a weakness. It was sort of like you were not being a real Scientologist, you were being ‘reasonable’ instead if you showed any compassion. Being reasonable is definitely not a quality that any Scientologist would subscribe to. It is sort of ironic that the concepts of compassion and loving-kindness are central to Buddhism and Hubbard claimed to be an incarnation of the Buddha (Hymn of Asia). NOTHING could be further from the truth.

    • BuryTheNuts2

      Hubbard definitely figured out a “thought trap” con game. It is amazing how many ex scientologists mimic your statement; about how you thought it was just you that was the problem.
      And since you can’t discuss it with anyone…there is no way to find out the truth.
      He was a clever devil.

      • richelieu jr

        This is the essence of ‘Emperor’s New Clothes-ism’.. If you say something, then everyone will know what a loser, out-stat SP you are…

        Just look around you! See how everyone is nodding? They get it, why don’t you?

        • BuryTheNuts2

          Yep, that is why they are looking for those free thinkers and rebels………HAHAHAHA

    • I agree, Miss B.

      Compassion is actually an anti-social trait in Scientology. It means that you “validate downstats”, which is one of the traits of a Suppressive Person. As a reincarnation of the Buddha, L Ron Hubbard never even mentions the word compassion in any written document or tape that I know of.

      He mentions “sympathy” and says that it is low-toned, and in auditing, when dramatized by an auditor, can be “deadly”. He says it is much more important to “be effective” than it is to have sympathy.

      That the word compassion appears in this video is only for the low-toned wogs. It is there to hit them at their tone level in order to recruit them. Once they join up, all the compassion and sympathy they have for others will be run out of them with continued auditing and training.

      This sounds like I am being mean, or exaggerating, or misrepresenting Scientology. But I am not. This is exactly how it works.

      Wouldn’t you agree, Miss B?

      Alanzo

      • Ms. B. Haven

        You describe compassion in Scientology much better than I did. I trained to Class IV and I can’t recall hearing the word compassion even once. I don’t think that you are being mean, exaggerating or misrepresenting Scientology at all. The truth is there is zero compassion in that group and if it does rise up some how it is beaten down relentlessly. I saw it to many times with me own eyes to know that is not the way it actually is (another ignored red flag). This is a truly sad state of affairs for the ‘most ethical group on the planet’.

        • Check out the compassion in this never-been-in Anon’s post to Marty’s blog.

          This is why Scientology will *always* lose. Human beings are naturally compassionate, and they know that anything calling itself a religion or a philosophy that is not compassionate needs to be taken down:

          Just Another Anon | February 8, 2013 at 9:51 am | Reply

          To get the public image of Scientology to change would be an uphill battle, if not an outright impossible task. To most people, there is no difference between the official Church of Scientology and the practice, and both have become equally damnable in the court of public opinion. Trying to repair it is a bit like trying to win a race after the finish line has been crossed and a trophy has already been handed out… no amount of spin nor positive PR is going to change the results. While the sudden onslaught of media attention may be new simply because the media is no longer scared to voice itself against the church, dislike for Scientology and laughing at its practices, its founder, and its beliefs isn’t new at all.

          Can one really bounce back from the word “cult” in this day and age?

          At its core, Scientology is a dated and often obtuse practice. It promotes a technology with no scientific backing, despite being under a banner that ironically seems to be derived from the word. It has its own language that is inapplicable and incomprehensible (and at times, completely inaccurate) to anyone outside it. It makes grandiose claims that are unrealistic and even absurd. Its built on contradictions, false promises, lies, fraud, and countless dissatisfied customers/parishioners. Its deified a blemished and flawed man, and continues to make excuses or blame the blamer when those flaws are pointed out. Miscaviage and the church as it currently stands is the fruit of a poisonous tree. Whether the space opera aspects of it are called metaphors, parables, or taken literally, it’s still kooky, weird, and even laughable to the average person.

          Scientology is (no pun intended) alienating. The same often can, unfortunately, be said of Scientologists. There seems to be an inherent need to advertise and announce everything that shouldn’t matter, from donation levels to levels of spiritual enlightenment or classes completed. Having a pseudo-navy, ranks for everything, titles for everyone to tout, and labels for everything is overwhelming and eye roll-inducing. Hard sells of books only available in a printed, tangible medium (which are practically archaic anymore) doesn’t help. Countless quotes from random policies, lectures, orders, and anything else considered Source is as annoying as the extremist Bible thumping Christians (and those aren’t widely popular either).

          There may be aspects of Scientology that could be widely used, disseminated, and accepted by the public, but it won’t happen under the banner of Scientology (in any form). These practices need to be adapted and opened up to criticism, without the first instinct being to attack the attacker. I agree with the others who say it would be best to remove the name and the founder and start something entirely new based on the parts of the practice that work or aren’t extreme. It may be the only way it would get a fair shake after everything that has been exposed. Scientology, the church, LRH, Miscaviage, the Sea Org, disconnection, calling people “raw meat” and “wogs”… they all seem like a diseased limb that’s only festering at this point. There is no saving it as it stands, but it can be amputated before the disease reaches the heart.

          And the heart of it all can be saved, because people understand the difference between Scientology and and those who practice or practiced it. That’s the reason people encourage and embrace people like Marty, Mike, Marc, Claire, Jenna, Karen, Tory, Derek, Denise, Nancy, and so many others (too many to name) who have had the courage to leave the oppressive, violent organization and speak up and out about it, regardless of the cost. It’s why we root for you to evolve and “move on up higher,” in whatever form or course that may be.

          I’m not a Scientologist, I never have been, and I know by saying that my opinion might be discounted by many. I’ve been a Scientology “watcher” and lurker on this blog and many other places for a long time, but this is the first time I’ve ever made a post anywhere, simply because I want to say thank you for your courage and good luck to everyone who might happen to read this who might be struggling with everything that’s been mentioned in this post and more. You’re the real “baby in the bath water,” and you’re definitely not going to be thrown out by this anon.

          Whoo-who!!!

          Frikkin awesome writer, and an awesome post!

          Alanzo

          • BuryTheNuts2

            That was great! Very well written and direct.

          • Synthia Fagen

            Great post. That says so much on so many levels. If Scientologists would just look outward at the beauty of their fellow non-Scientologists human beings (sorry, hate the word “wog” – always did) and stop viewing them from a ridiculous and inappropriately condescending attitude, they might just snap out of their trances, realizing that their “superiority” is a delusion.

          • Poison Ivy

            Outstanding comment – wow. You are so right, Derek and Alanzo – I firmly believe we are by nature compassionate and it is by statements like the Anon statement above that Scientology as we know it will be defeated. Who’s to say there isn’t enough good in it to rise up and be applied in new ways. What if L Ron hadn’t rushed to get rich and powerful with his ideas but instead had found some real scientists with whom to collaborate and do real research? But L Ron’s selfish, lazy, sociopathic nature destroyed Scientology long before it was even Scientology.

            • Trustmeonthis

              Well… I am. I think it’s all focused on mind control. Look at est. It imploded and then they came out with the course in miracles, which is not really any better. Although they probably let you go to the bathroom now.

              I’m going to be reading up on Crowley next. I think he may be where the evil comes from. I’ve learned a bit about him in metaphysical studies, but he doesn’t appeal to me in the least, so my knowledge of him is pretty limited. But after reading Going Clear I think he’s worth a further look.
              BTW there was a great article about this on io9, which is normally about geeky stuff, because LRH had a little satanist/jackoff club with the guy who invented rocket fuel and went on to found JPL (which recently sent up the mars rover). They were both Crowley followers. It’s cray.

              If nothing else, it ought to be an interesting rabbit hole. But I think he was into mind control too…

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Parsons was slightly sympathetic.

          • richelieu jr

            What are you talking about? He’s not even a Scientologist! The wog even admitted his crime!

            I rate him somewhere below covert hostility on the tone scale, probably a homo… Luckily we don’t have nay of those around here, right John, Tom… David?

          • Wow. And this was posted on Marty’s blog??? Really?

      • Poison Ivy

        So well said, Alanzo. This was what turned me off the general philosophy of CO$ – not just the the organization – the fact that compassion and sympathy and charity are not considered virtues but weaknesses. This to me is what makes it a “religion” for narcissists – perhaps why it had its heyday in the “me generation” years of the 70’s and 80’s. Does Hubbard talk about love, at all, anywhere? What other “religion” (except Satanism, or philosophical or pragmatic belief systems) does not recognize love, compassion, empathy, sympathy, as our highest, more sacred human emotions? When Scientology talks about appealing to our low toned impulses, I say it is taking crass and cruel advantage of the best of our human natures.

        • Ziontologist

          I think when you look at the cumulative effect that Scientology has in the long run, you are absolutely right to say that it is a belief system without compassion.
          But if you eant to break it down to a person by person analysis, I don’t think you can say that. I was in during the 70’s, and I didn’t see a lack of compassion. Of course, Scientologis might have selectively withheld their compassion regarding certain groups that conflict with their belief.

          • Poison Ivy

            Not the individual Scientologists. In fact their natural compassion was probably what led so many of them out. The SYSTEM of Scientology. The system preys on the natural (and perhaps above-average) compassion of the victim. However for some, the attraction of Scientology (like EST) was the self-help, “make me a super-being” claims of the “tech

            • Ziontologist

              “The tech” teaches you early on to be “a good auditor,” which is someone who can listen without judgement.
              The ultimate goal is nefarious, but I think a lot of compassionate people were drawn into that. And I sure there were plenty of narcissists who rejected self help because they thought they didn’t need it.

          • grundoon

            To climb in the organization, you have to leave compassion behind. You sacrifice that part of yourself to “the greatest good for the greatest number of dynamics.” As you rise, a new kind of “compassion” might take over: “compassion” redefined as inducing others to subordinate themselves to the aims of the Scientology hierarchy, getting their ethics in and stats up. Auditors and low-level publics are permitted to retain some real compassion because it’s good for business: it boosts their production and baits the trap for others.

            Many Scientologists’ own native compassion fights back, and eventually wins, against this heavy suppression – at which time they bust out from the Chruch. The re-emergence of gloriously free, compassionate homo sapiens from the Scientology mindtrap is a thing of great beauty.

            Around the distant fringes of Scientology, surely there are Scientologists who have not yet had their compassion ethicked out of them. If you were lucky enough to spend your Scientology career among such people, take a win! You got off easy.

      • sizzle8

        You can find any number of references where “compassion” is mentioned, but in typical Scientology fashion, those references are cancelled out by other, vicious policies.

        Remember this policy?

        From HCO PL Model Hat for Executives,

        “We have then three classes of possible personnel:

        1. The Willing
        2. The defiant negative
        3. The wholly shiftless.

        To handle these we have three classes of action only and none in between. (An authentic case of white is white and black is black.)
        Class One (above): Handle them as outlined here with understanding, intelligence, helpfulness, courage and compassion.
        Class Two (above): Process only or fire.
        Class Three (above): Process only or fire.”

        • Way to go. You found a time where LRH used the word compassion.

          Well done.

          • sizzle8

            Man, you’re grumpy!

            • I’m appreciative! I’d read this when I was a Scientologist and forgotten that he used the word compassion, and that he’d said to use it on those who were willing to make money for him.

              But, notice, not for anyone else.

              Right?

    • As an outsider …the fact that scientology made no mention of compassion ~this was the very first thing that jumped out at me when i started following this “WTF??!!” extravaganza on Anderson Copper a couple of years ago. And then craziness of course ….but the no compassion thing is what really stood out . Then it pissed me off because kids like Derek , women like Annie B ( that Marty dragged back from the airport when she was a heartbeat away from escape..knowing at that point that DM was a nut job …ugh ) heartbreaks like Kate B. ..who deserves to have her grandchildren in her life ..and they deserve her . More and more stories of the actual , personal, human cost of scientology. I am SO GLAD that you are out !!(hands clapping loudly)

      • Anon Nom Nom

        Best comment of the day.

    • dbloch7986

      Scientology discourages compassion. You are criticized and looked down upon for showing compassion for your fellow man. Not only do they call it “being reasonable” but also they make the term “sympathy” an evil term. Showing someone “sympathy” is one of the greatest crimes you can commit in Scientology. Doesn’t mater if the person who needs the sympathy is a child of 5 who just scraped his knee.

      There is NO compassion in Scientology what-so-ever.

      • Ziontologist

        Yes, it’s true that Scientology curbs you compassion, and it’s atrocious how such anti-social acts can be committed without remorse.
        But I remember some Scientologists, not all, being into “the granting of beingness.”
        My experience in Scientology might’ve been more pleasant than yours, and I probably didn’t stay in as long.
        I was never on staff.
        I started in the 70’s, at a mission run by a very sweet older woman who was a true believer. She really wasn’t trying to make money from you ( later, I heard she got into big trouble, probably for being so nice). 
        Does anyone remember the granting of beingness (life)?
        When I was in, sometimes I would take an idea and just think about it. I liked the granting of beingness. I interpreted that as accepting people for who they were, as opposed to criticizing them or trying to change them. “Allowing” someone “the beingness” to be who they are was how how I heard the concept used conversationally.
        I read in The Creation of Human Ability about an auditing process called The Granting of Beingness. I don’t know what drugs Hubbard was on when he wrote this, but I liked the process. Then he says,  “All other processes are only a covert level of this process.” At that moment, I thought I understood Scientology. Ironic that I left right after attesting to Clear, because they failed to allow me the beingness to be myself. (It didn’t make sense to me, the way I was treated at LA Org and at CC, and I drifted away.) 
        But I’m just asking, does anyone remember Scientologists talking about that concept? I think it’s a good example of a benevolent concept that a Scientologist might latch onto, using it to convince themselves that the subject is based on good, not evil. At least for a while!

        • richelieu jr

          Did the Granting of Beingness come before or after the Accepting of Credit Cards and the Prosecution of Bad Payers?

        • How about the Being of Grantingness?

        • BuryTheNuts2

          Z,
          Granting of Beingness (2nd American Advanced Clinical Courses -The Rehabilitation of the Human Spirit.
          1953 December lecture.

          That is too bad about the nice lady at the mission. They sure don’t take kindly to kindness.

    • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

      I am working from my imperfect memory here, but I recall the book saying that there were 270 test subjects and the research took 15 years. Yet, in the book the research references were as vague as they could possibly be. Hubbard also said that his science of the mind was as precise as physics or chemistry. That didn’t leave a lot of wiggle room.

      Down at the local org I asked a trustworthy individual who was an auditor where the research was to be found. He responded, “In dozens of filing cabinets, upstairs”. I understood. He meant that the auditing done locally proved everything that Hubbard had written to be true. It was as though they had redone Isaac Newton’s experiments to reprove his three laws of motion. What could I say? I accepted the answer as reasonable.

      It took another year or so before several things happened to shake my trust. First, I never saw anyone who fit clear or OT. In fact a married couple, both OT8 died together in a car accident. It seemed like an odd thing to do for two people who had control, knowingly and at will, over matter, energy, space and time. Then there was a clear who spoke at the Sunday service who had the awful stutter. There was no evidence at all of people with total recall, immunity to colds, computer like speed in their thinking, optimum vision or the rest of it. Also, the organization lacked organization. They couldn’t make things work nearly as well as, say, a McDonald’s restaurant. I found them impossible to work with.

      So what is that phrase being used all the time now? Cognitive dissonance. I left with scads of cognitive dissonance. It just didn’t add up. Trusted, intelligent people I knew were telling me that Hubbard’s research was accurate while, I, myself, saw none of it.

      I walked away. They told me that I was immortal. If they were right, affirmation could wait a while, a few lifetimes if necessary. If they were wrong, I didn’t want to waste any more time than I already had. There is that other phrase that is being used all the time now. Fuck the bastards.

      • Poison Ivy

        “Show me a MotherFucking Clear” – Jason Beghe

        • richelieu jr

          “Would you like fries with your motherfucking clear?” Ronald McDonald.

      • “the organization lacked organization” – Man that really sums up Hubbard’s bullshit admin tech so well.

  • BuryTheNuts2

    Good luck to you North Eastern folks. Stay warm this weekend.
    I am postulating you all fuzzy blankets and hot cocoa.

    • Cymboli Starsong

      Thanks. This going to suck hardcore. Last week we had a 50 degree day and today we’re going to be buried in 2 feet of annoyance.

    • Poison Ivy

      Thank you. Have log on the fire, an organsmic Teavana blend w/honey, and filled the three bird feeders which are doing a brisk pre-Blizzard business. The cardinal couple, the phoebes, the sparrows and a flock of morning doves so far.

    • Captain Howdy

      ” I am postulating you all fuzzy blankets and hot cocoa.”

      Forget that. As long as the power, potato juice and tobacco hold out, so will I.

      • BuryTheNuts2

        You are special.
        I am postulating you a never ending supply of potato juice and nekkid pictures of Mimi Rodgers.

        • Ze Moo

          If you like seeing nekkid pictures of Mimi Rodgers, you have been hitting the potato juice too much. My forecast is for 2 -4 inches, hardly enough to bother plowing. I pity NYC to Boston, 2 to 3 feet is going to be a pain and they don’t get enough practice to be good at plowing.

          Ok, in NYC there is no where to push the snow, so plowing is an adventure. The DPW trash trucks (with the little plow blades on the front) push the snow against all the cars that line the streets. Then the car owners come out and shovel the snow back into the street so they can get around. They continue this war until the snow melts. God, I love NYC!

          • Captain Howdy

            I can’t attest to the Big Craphole’s ability to plow snow, but Boston had plenty of experience before GW reared it’s ugly head.

      • Midwest Mom

        Potato juice?

        • Captain Howdy

          ?????

    • Trustmeonthis

      I’m postulating myself a beer.
      I think I’ll yell at the fridge!
      GIVE ME A BEER!!!
      THANK YOU!!!

      • BuryTheNuts2

        If you get this to actually start working …I want to take a course and I want you to be my C/S.

        • Trustmeonthis

          Oh, it totally works! Of course, I had to open the fridge and get the beer out myself, but now I have a beer!
          Thank you!!! You now owe me $10K. I accept paypal.

    • Captain Howdy

      It’s 4:26 EST and this shit is raging and this isn’t even the worst of it by far. I’m sure some of us are going to lose power sooner then later, for how long is the important thing obviously. Good luck y’all cuz i’ve been living in N.E for 20 yrs and this is one of the worst i’ve seen.

      • Midwest Mom

        Welcome to my world, Captain.

        • Captain Howdy

          You guys have snow storms, we have blizzards/ nor’easters, which is a hurricane with snow. There’s a difference. The storm is just starting to peak with winds of 30-50 mph. Looking out my window it’s just whiteness that is howling like the proverbial banshee.

      • Sandy

        OH! you poor guy!!! Ever in Minn – we get breaks! You guys can’t seem to catch one…

  • BuryTheNuts2

    Rene Descartes walks into a resturant and sits down for dinner.
    The waiter comes over and asks if he’d like an appetizer
    “No thank you” says Descartes, “I’d just like to order dinner”
    “Would you like to hear our daily specials?” asks the waiter
    “No” says Descartes, getting impatient
    “Would you like a drink before dinner?” the waiter asks
    Descartes is insulted, since he’s a tee-totaler
    “I think not!” he says indignantly, and POOF! he disappeared.

    • Observer

      Snort!

    • richelieu jr

      I don’t think that’s a true story…

      • BuryTheNuts2

        Hey, if its true for me…..

    • Ziontologist

      “and POOF! he disappeared.”
      And where did he go? Cubesville. Unhip squared. Strictly corny.

      • BuryTheNuts2

        Hey, it gets much, MUCH worse.
        Go check out my pretend boyfriends humor page! (Where I steal this kinda crap).
        It is amazing how much dumb shit can come out of such smart people!
        In fact….It is AWESOME.

        http://consc.net/phil-humor.html

      • BuryTheNuts2

        Rolls my eye!….Are you trying to out “corn” me in french?
        It cannot be done. My corn is an absolute.
        100% of the time as good old LRH would say.

        Z…give me that edit button…go on…hand it over.

    • Still_On_Your_Side

      Oh no, Descartes jokes a la carte!

  • 1subgenius

    That’s not an Elvis Presley impersonator. Its an Elvis Presley impersonator impersonator.
    And he does a damn fine job of it.

    • Poison Ivy

      He’s the best thing in the video. Why do I just feel such pain and sadness for those fresh-faced young singers, though? And the smiling little children in the background wearing te blue T-shirts…I can’t help but think of Derek and Jenna and Auntie Kate’s daughter and feel a pang….

    • Captain Howdy

      Perhaps this person was Elvis in a past life and he now realizes the error of his original estimation of scientology and he is trying to make amends.

      Or maybe they’re sticking it to Lisa Marie ?

      • DeElizabethan

        Sticking it to Lisa Marie indicates!

  • BosonStark

    The “works 100% of the time if applied properly” was a red flag the first time I heard it. It was a major escape hatch for the drivel in Dianutty — works 100% of the time in Dr. Hubtard’s laboratory, on Venus — but led right into the giant con of Scientology, where people would be training their “tools” and doing “amends,” “security checking,” donations etc. when things weren’t working 100% of the time, or even 2% of the time.

    Giving donations helps because even though it doesn’t work very well for the individual, just entertaining the delusion that these are the answers that will save this sector of the galaxy when it hits critical mass — when the SPs are all in the history books — makes it worth it.

    Maybe deep down, Tom Cruise “likes the humiliation” or he’s looking forward to more of it. He yearns for David Miscavige or his auditors to reveal all his secrets so he can be publicly humiliated for being so famous and successful.

  • Ms. B. Haven

    Off Topic:

    This morning on NPR’s ‘The Two-Way’, at the bottom of the page:

    “Author Lawrence Wright went on The Colbert Report this week to plug his new book, Going Clear: Scientology, Hollywood, and the Prison of Belief. That’s when host Stephen Colbert’s interview really got interesting.”

    http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2013/02/08/171454387/book-news-should-ayn-rand-be-required-reading

    • Trustmeonthis

      Nice to see the Colbert interview video linked in the LA Times. They are normally verrrrrrry hands-off regarding teh $cilons. If you click through to the LA Times site, they have a poll going on “are you going to read Going Clear?” It was 45% yes, 55% no when I was there.

  • 1subgenius

    It seems to me that Scientology directly contradicts and refutes Dianetics.
    Disembodied souls or memories? Which is it?
    There I go again trying to understand the reasoning of the insane.

    • It’s a floor wax AND a dessert topping!

    • Plotinus

      It’s both. Engrams AND body thetans. And to complicate the matter further, body thetans can have engrams!

      • BuryTheNuts2

        But can an engram have its own body thetan?

        • Plotinus

          I see no evidence of that in LRH extensive researches:)

          • BuryTheNuts2

            🙂

      • 1subgenius

        But since in the First Testament He said it was ALL the former, he kinda screwed his own pooch with the latter.

        • Plotinus

          Body thetans are super-secrit (well, aside from the South Park episode), and most scientologists have never even heard of them. Engrams are much more socially acceptable.

          • BosonStark

            Engrams are basic dianetical science. It requires little more training than smoking 5 packs a day and reading Dianutty. Just do it! They can be removed in the parlor, but better to use a professional at the Org if you want to think it actually works. You’ll find people there that devote their lives to this crazy.

            Body Thetans require advanced spiritual technology — you have to learn how to get your Thetan operating to do this. You are your Thetan!

            • Midwest Mom

              I’ve heard that Viagra, Cialis and testosterone injections can helps with that problem, too.

        • Poison Ivy

          Goofed the floof.

      • 0tessa

        But … how can ‘thetans’ have engrams? They have no mass, no energy, no wavelength etc. They are immaterial! Or do I have a ‘misunderstood’?

        • Plotinus

          Hubbard states that body thetans can catch an engram depending on how their prior meat body dies. For instance, if a thetan’s meat body gets digested by stomach acid, that body thetan will catch an engram, and the next meat body it inhabits will be at risk for psoriasis.

          • Trustmeonthis

            FLUNK! Engrams are stored in CELLS.

        • Captain Howdy

          I could explain it to you but when I was finished I would have to either commit you to Arkham Asylum or drop you off in front of the nearest org.

          • 0tessa

            Well, I would prefer the Arkham Asylum to the Scientology Bedlam any day.

  • sugarplumfairy

    “There’s a demon inside of each of us, holding us back, ruining our plans…” I call mine Pinocchio.. sometimes if he’s good, I take him out for ice cream..

  • BosonStark

    I guess this song about belonging to the IAS is as close to a hymn as we’ll get in this fake religion with no deity, no meditation, no prayer. Their highest celebration is in belonging to the IAS — their core organization devoted to perpetual money suckage.

    • 1subgenius

      And making fail videos.

  • 0tessa

    I know of only one reactive mind: Hubbard. The reactive mind in the flesh. It is even ‘radio-active’, because he has contaminated so many people.

  • BuryTheNuts2

    Hubbard wants to get rid of that pesky ‘reactive mind’…you know, the one that wants to save you from predators eating you.
    After all, why would you need such a thing?
    That silly thing might get in the way of Hubbard stealing your cash and your consciousness.

    • Poison Ivy

      Ha ha! Bury, I was thinking of “The Gift of Fear” by Gavin DeBecker. Actually, studies are still showing that we really do need that primitive survival mind, even in the glorious computer age of the ’50’s. (Oh wait, is it 2013 already? Sorry, reading just that bit of Dianetics regressed me about 63 years.)

      • BuryTheNuts2

        And what is the one word the old blowhard deduced that anything and everything was about?

        Survival.
        And then he wants to rid you of your survival instincts.

        It all makes so much sense! (slaps forehead)

        • Poison Ivy

          He just talks you round circle after circle with inaccuracy after inaccuracy (historical, scientific, conceptual – you name it!) until you are so confused you just say, “Alright, already! I believe you!”

          • Captain Howdy

            Obfuscation and circular logic = The Confusion Technique which is how scientology and most other cons and cults work and thrive.

            • Trustmeonthis

              Those fucking anarchists do the exact same thing.

      • 1subgenius

        Good book.
        Yeah, amazingly enough all that stuff we evolved with is probably necessary.
        As Woody Allen said: “Don’t mess with my brain. Its my second favorite organ.”

    • Post of the year (so far). Congrats.

  • reactive mind ….what a load of crap. I am amazed that two words ..which mean something individually …can be stuck together to make a salad. ” I have jealous blood ” ….”This wine is bold yet playfully demure ” …’Understand your own power through Knowingness” ….” Share your power of self with others through understanding ” or other such craptastic word salad. Even though this stuff can be frustrating ….a lot of it is pretty funny. AND …btw…Socrates did not think that he had a “demon” ….he called it his ” Deamon ” ( pronounced like day mon ) and what he meant by that was his inner conscience . The thing you have that makes you do something nice / good when no one is looking. People who do not have this …are people with personality disorders and/or sociopaths.

    • Poison Ivy

      Thanks for the correction on Socrates, Kim. Just like LRH to misinterpret the original philospher.

  • BosonStark

    Look for the Hubbard label
    when you are buying that works-100%-of-the-time BS.

    Remember somewhere our cult is sowing,
    young minds knowing,
    only Ron knew it all.

    We sell hard, but who’s complaining?
    Thanks to the IAS we’re upping our
    status!

    So always look for the Hubbard label,
    making you more able, in the U.S.A.!

  • Truthiwant

    FLUNK! You’ve all got it wrong, you PTS ARC break apostate WOGS. We Scientologists
    are perfectly normal people. Look, I was Napoleon Bonaparte in PL. In PT, I have been
    to AOSH EU and AOSH UK, AOLA, ASHO and in CCint I had no BI’s, Alter-Is or O/W’s
    on my PTS SP checksheet. I was FN with VGI’s, in control of MEST. In the HCOB in CW the
    Class XII OTVIII SEA ORG SNR C/S ex CMO INT and friend of CO GOLD and COB RTC,
    C/Sed my L12. All VGI’s, Flubless, no OUT INT, F/Ning with Big Wins, Tone 40, Theta and ARC.
    I am able to As-is my Bank and Blow Charge and duplicate Enturbulated Theta, Evil
    purposes and handle any Sit with Beingness, Doingness and Havingness with
    Intention so as to be In-Ethics and to Key-Out any Misunderstoods,
    Counter-intentions and Invalidation on all 8 dynamics with no Fixed Attention
    Units, Entheta, Aberration, Overts or Withholds and duplicate LRH tech back to
    Basic Basic with F/N and End Phenomena, Tone 40, In-Ethics, Big Case Gain and VGI’s.
    So, you bums, just FO (and FO does not stand for Flag Order).

    • Cymboli Starsong

      OMG. Too funny.

    • BuryTheNuts2

      The fact that I understood that without having any MU’s is wildly disturbing.
      I may need to go find a nice cooking blog for a couple of weeks to deprogram myself.

      • Truthiwant

        Yes, it’s very disturbing!!

        • richelieu jr

          FLUNK: ‘ENTURBULATING’

          Start again.

          • Truthiwant

            Sorry. I’ve got MU’s.
            I…will…try…to…be…a…better…pc.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Get your ethics in!

      • blissfulldreams

        run bury run

      • dbloch7986

        I have a power tool or two for you.

        • BuryTheNuts2

          Thank you, please drill into my brain and get that shit outta there.

          • dbloch7986

            I have a friend who is an expert driller with lots of experience. I think he might be more fit for the job than me. I mean I have drilled before, don’t get me wrong, but let’s just say that my drill doesn’t spin the same way, if you catch my drift.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Baahaaahaaa.

      • Captain Howdy

        Too Late ! You have been ASSIMILATED

        I understood the whole mess also but that’s OK, I have no life.

      • DeElizabethan

        I now fluff over that kind of sh-t language. Of course it is somewhat funny, but just too mind warping. Not to worry Bury, you’ll get over it.

        • BuryTheNuts2

          Yeah, I get over everything at pretty much lightning speed.

          And I am sure my upcoming Friday night bonding with the Engineers will help!
          I will be back in no time, babbling about how total harmonic distortion is a way of quantifying the amount of harmonic content in a voltage or current waveform.
          After that, we can get into distortion.

          It will be a laugh a minute I tell ya!
          But there will be Stella Artois and snacks

      • Still_On_Your_Side

        Please make sure the blog offers recipes for more than bitter apostates. Look for a sophisticated food blog, you know, with recipes for curried apostates, apostates with cashews, chocolate chip apostates, sweet and sour apostates, or maybe pineapple upside down apostates. Do you thing we should ask Karen Pouw if she has a recipe for Kung Pao apostates?

    • Ze Moo

      Anyone who can understand 1/2 of what you said has been here too long. Every job or profession has its own ‘tech talk’. Computer nerds talk about ram, rom and gigo, lawyers and doctors and bankers have their own language too. The difference between scieno-speak and other ‘tech talk’ is the concept of ‘Bloviation’. Pity Lron never exorcised his verbal diarrhea engram, that would have saved us a lot of trouble. .

    • blissfulldreams

      English translation please as i cant read all this bullshitness

      • Truthiwant

        It IS English!

        • blissfulldreams

          no it’s scion speak

          • Truthiwant

            Look, you really don’t want the translation but I’ll give it to you anyway in one sentence-
            “I WAS FUCKED UP”

            • blissfulldreams

              why did’nt you say so in the first place thanks that made it so much easier

            • blissfulldreams

              in truth i actually did want the translation their are a lot of people like myself out there who are not familiar with scion speak we know some but not all

              and people like yourself who have experience and knowledge can if they are willing too, to educate us on this subject lots of people are finding there way on to sites like this with little knowledge of scientology and the language it uses

              all the press reports about abuse of different kind are drawing us in so if you and other ex-indi-freezoners would be willing to take the extra time it would make things so much easier for the rest of us as how can we help if we don’t know just what your saying

              and i know this might make me sound dumb but i would rather sound dumb and ask for help than live in ignorance and pride

              so please could you all start to educate us Thanks

              Bliss

            • Truthiwant

              Hi, Bliss. You’re absolutely right and I’m glad that more and more people are getting to know about what really goes on in scientology. As far as my post was concerned, it was done as a joke. It does, in scientology language, sort of make sense, although as you can immagine it is completely overdone and I only posted it as a piss take on the subject. On the net you can get lot’s of sites that ‘translate’ scientology language, like this one http://cgi.amazing.com/scientology/dict.html

              I said at the beginning of the post that in present time (PT) I had been to the various organizations in the world like Anvanced Organization Saint Hill Europe etc. CCint is Celebrity Center International. Most of the other words are on one of those sights.

              As you probably know, every “cult” uses its own jargon which infact is very controlling and scientology lingo is a sort of way to make people think that they are different to the rest of the world, or WOGS as Hubbard calls them. WOG is obviously very derogatory and means worthy oriental gentleman. (some people say it has another derivation). I, personally find this word lothesome.

              Anyway, I hope that’s a small help for the mean time. I am not a scientologist anymore and probably for many reasons was not one ever. Obviously I am not an Indie.

              The whole subject is bizzare and the more I think about it the more I cannot understand why anybody would do scientology or believe in it. This is probably one of the more interesting things to understand and find out about. If there were just a few dozen people doing the subject then it wouldn’t matter but unfortunately there are thousands out there and they are mostly being ruined by it. Some are financially ruined but all are mentally ruined, even those ones that say they are Tone 40 (feeling on top of the world).

              Hope that helps. All the best…

            • blissfulldreams

              thank you

            • grundoon

              Our host, Tony Ortega, wrote this nifty short intro – in English, no scienospeak: http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/2012/01/what_is_scientology.php

            • blissfulldreams

              thank you, now how do we get Tony to put it on the side of the site so it is easy for everyone to find ?

      • Trustmeonthis

        Now I want to change my ID to “bullshitness.” Nice one!

    • dbloch7986

      Oh jeez. I understood everything you said perfectly. My programming has been reactivated. Thought process shutting down.

      C:my computerwindowsscientology programminghubbardpersonality.exe loading >please wait…<

      • The Dakini

        Hang in there Derek. Deep breaths.

    • grundoon

      Wow! A tour de force.

    • The Dakini

      For a second I though this poster was addressing our Flunk. (Who has been missing for a bit.)

  • Can you please include this video in the list of people crippling Scientology? Since they seems oblivious, I am embarrassed on their behalf.

  • Oyster Bay

    That music video – I knew I was in trouble when that jive turkey started microwaving that Australian Hot Pocket thing, but as soon as they started singing I developed an ulcer. They need to stop. Oh I can’t handle it.

    • Poison Ivy

      Was that product placement?

      • Ze Moo

        Who drives around an Audi convertible (a 45k car) with a piping hot pot pie in their hand?

        • It was not cooked long enough… if it was frozen, it needs four minutes.

        • Captain Howdy

          An operating thetan of course..sheesh

          • Poison Ivy

            It is a prime example of the Havingness you will experience once you give a few hundred thou to the IAS.

            • BosonStark

              I’m confused — I thought the Mercedes Benz was the car choice for a Thetan displaying his spiritual powerz of conspicuous consumption. Maybe they’re a little downstat down under?

        • Trustmeonthis

          Not to mention:
          * doesn’t secure guitar
          * doesn’t need guitar anyway as is a bad rapper

  • aquaclara

    Scientoloholics! Thanks, Vance. Love the word. And I hate to say that I actually understand what you’re saying, as you take us through all the mucked up, f**cked up reasoning that is in that book. Did not think that was possible.

    What a Friday! Rain or snow, verrry bad Elvis, a laughable bit from the Aussies, and more Wright and Jenna reading ahead for the weekend…now back to work!

    • stillgrace

      I refuse to go back to work. I need to word clear Vance’s “weaseliness”. Such a cool word.

  • Bob

    The Golden Era goal here is to get every country to record and shoot their version of the celebrity filled US version of the song which has everyone singing in tune. I find it one of the biggest crimes to take the talents of these music artists and turn them towards perpetrating this now global fraud. Mass emotionally manipulative Music.(MEMM) And when you include the locals in the video how can they not donate thousands for the privilege of seeing themselves up on the big screen.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4K1xHhcojY

  • BosonStark

    If you would like to receive a postcard detailing Dr. Hubtard’s laboratory research data for Dianutty, please send your address and a cashier’s check for $1,000 to:

    The Hubtard Institute for Wishful Thinkingness
    666 Nutter Space Cult Way
    Mark-of-the-Beast, CA 90666

    • SP ‘Onage

      Ha ha ha ha!

    • Poison Ivy

      LOL! But seriously, it is this crap that makes me so furious at Hubbard, and his dastardly design for Scientology. He set it up to mimic “science” and used his agility with words to obfuscate the fact that there was no science at all. Plus note all the passive voice passages. “These engrams WERE FOUND TO POSSESS….” “An enormous quantity of data HAS BEEN SIFTED. Not one single exception HAS BEEN FOUND. ” The removal of these engrams….HAS UNIFORMLY BROUGHT ABOUT…” “No need WAS FOUND…. ” Completely revealing. WHO found this out? WHO sifted the data? Where are the footnotes to the studies published? And he wondered why the psychiatric and scientific communities ridiculed him? This is like a bad student blue book essay.

      • N. Graham

        Exactly Poison Ivy!

      • grundoon

        9 times out of 10, when L. Ron Hubbard uses the passive voice, either the sentence is an outright FALSEHOOD, or he is intentionally misleading his audience. Often when the subject of a verb is omitted or ambiguous. Hubbard intends you to mentally fill the gap with an imagined subject that will make the sentence comfortable and acceptable to you.

        Hubbard intends you to dismiss his odd phrasing as mere awkwardness or careless bad writing. Similarly, when I scratch behind my ear or rest a hand in a pocket, it means nothing… but when a magician, card sharp, three-card monte artist or mob enforcer gestures with fingers out of sight, or when Hubbard slings a verb with its subject out of sight, know that you are witnessing the tradecraft of a professional.

        You break Ron’s spell if you ask, “WHO found this out? WHO sifted the data?” Such questions aren’t allowed in Scientology.

        And another thing. Hubbard uses a few key adjectives that, when you see them, you know a LIE is coming. Words like actual, laboratory, proven, scientific, hundreds. For example, whenever he says “by laboratory experiment” or “by actual test,” you know that there was never any experiment or test and it is something he just made up. When he says, “hundreds of cases,” you know that he means one case, maybe two.

        Hubbard’s writing and lectures are packed with this stuff. You have to read it slowly, and never go past an unquestioned peculiarity.

        • Trustmeonthis

          Not only that, but his lips were moving.

        • Poison Ivy

          This is fodder for a great study on linguistics and mind control, if anyone is looking for a PhD thesis topic.

    • richelieu jr

      Wait a minute- slow down, what was that address again? Do you take credit cards?

      Do they have to be mine?

      • BosonStark

        We accept all major stolen credit cards, drug money, and non-Scientology Ponzi scheme earnings.

    • Anon Nom Nom

      Do you accept Marcabian Space Credits?

  • Ze Moo

    The second chapter of Dianetics is where I got off the carnival ride. The brain and mind are one entity and Lrons ‘cellular memory’ jive was always a joke to me. Who would take a outmoded laughable science fiction idea and expect people to pay him to fix their broken ‘jim dandy gee-gaw brain fart’? In the end that is what Dianetics and Scientology is, the repair of an imaginary problem.

  • dbloch7986

    Tony how dare you! This is like the new Rebecca Black video! What an amazing song.

    And your comment about Elvis is way out of line. Can’t you see. That is not an impersonator! He IS Elvis (or was, rather). You see Elvis died and Elron saved him from Xenu’s spirit brainwashing volcano machine. So then he realized how wrong he was and now Elvis IS a Scientologist. Amazing right?

    Scientology is like a long stream of consciousness that someone cooked up while high on all kinds of drugs 24/7 over a 35 year period.

    It’s like when the teacher is talking about pi, and then starts explaining pie charts and then talks about how his wife cooks the best pie.

    Scientology is basically like that only with more words.

    • LOL !!!

    • VickiStubing

      pie-ness. Now THAT is something Elvis would have loved.

    • Midwest Mom

      Referencing pi and pie? Derek, you must come over to my house on March 14th at 1:59 p.m. EST. It’s not only Pi Day but Pie Day and I will be baking some delicious pies for the occasion. 🙂

      • dbloch7986

        I can’t wait for March 14, 2015 at 9:26:53

        • Midwest Mom

          Darth Baker looked at Bloch Skywalker with evidence of pride. “Bloch, wheeeeeeeze, I am your motha! Wheeeeeeeeze.”

  • SP ‘Onage

    I thought scientology was against drugs, yet they use one of the biggest druggies of all time in their video. Elvis was addicted to prescription drugs and eventually died of a heart attack brought on by long-term drug use. Sheesh, stupid clams can’t get anything right.

    • dbloch7986

      Well considering that Kirstie Alley was high on coke when she read Dianetics and that the UK PR Rep for Scientology was hopped up on meth when he was recruited and that Scientology’s heyday was in the 60s and 70s when the drug culture exploded, I think if it wasn’t for drugs Scientology wouldn’t exist in the first place.

      • SP ‘Onage

        Yep. Addiction = Lots of money for scientology.

        • dbloch7986

          More like: Compromised judgement and impaired reasoning

          • Poison Ivy

            And desperation for ANY solution.

      • Observer

        And, of course, there was LRH and his pinks and greys as he was making the whole thing up.

        • Poison Ivy

          Don’t forget the rum. And the Vistaril at the end!

    • Bob

      But he was the KING! Just like David Miscaviage is the king of the theta universe!

    • richelieu jr

      Well, L Ron was hopped up on something from the beginning. His little ‘elf-hep’ tape sessions speak of uppers and testosterone injections that he regrets, apparently to keep ‘little l ron’ in action…

    • N. Graham

      Actually, OT9, when it’s released, will reveal that Elvis actually was an undercover Scientologist and was actually the one who got Lisa and Priscilla into it. The whole death by overdose shore story was so that Elvis could operate more secretly in his new identity as…

  • scnethics

    “It simply never occurred to me that his claim of 100 percent efficacy could be a 100 percent shameless lie.”

    Exactly! How could the book still be in print if he was lying?

  • Anon Nom Nom

    I’m surprised that the guy in the video hasn’t been forced to sign over his Audi to the church.

    • 1subgenius

      I have serious doubts that it was his.
      At best it was the franchise holder’s who would be the only one there making money (off his commissions).

  • Truthiwant

    Three amusing parodies on Scientology

    http://targettwentytwo.wordpress.com/2013/02/08/21/

    • BuryTheNuts2

      These were great!

  • richelieu jr

    I tried to find out if there was any evidence of Napoleon reducing “the height of Frenchmen one inch” and found none, the only trace of the expression being found in, you guessed it, Dianetics!

    I am shocked, SHOCKED, to find L Ron inventing history! I mean science, biology, facts, life story, war record, awards, education, travels, adventures, marital status, but-History? NEVER!

    • Poison Ivy

      Well, there is L Ron’s contention that psychiatrists convinced Hitler to implement the Final Solution. I’d call that a little revisionist history.

    • N. Graham

      The actual reference is to the fact that their was a height requirement to be in Napoleon’s army. Therefore, after French troops were killed en masse in Russia and other battlefields of the Napoleonic Wars, the taller people’s genes were lost to the gene pool. It’s hard to find a reference to since Napoleon himself was short and all keyword derivations to ferret out the Frenchmen being short loses to references to Napoleon himself being short. But no doubt, Elron was probably the one who discovered this.

      • Ciru

        Napoleon being short was a myth created by the English who were at war with him. He might be considered short now but was at least average height for the time.

        • Midwest Mom

          Davey, is that you?

          • Ciru

            I’m insulted!

            Miscavige being short is no myth however.

        • Observer

          It’s true … his height was recorded as 5’2″ but that was by the measurements the French were using at the time. When converted to the British standard of measurement–which is what we (Americans) still use today–his height was 5’7″. He’d tower over poor wee Davey.

        • N. Graham

          Well, no one’s saying he’s as short as DM or TC.

  • SP ‘Onage

    “Massive manhunt that touched three states and Mexico, the heavily armed ex-Los Angeles police officer believed behind the rampage, who promised in his rambling writings to bring “warfare” to police and their families, remained free.”

    It’s been pretty intense here in Cali. Of course scientologist’s will blame the evil psychs.

    • Poison Ivy

      This is just so tragic.

      • stillgrace

        The most tragic part is the poor judgment used in the search for the guy. Opening fire, without warning, on two women delivering newspapers in the early morning??? Really???? My heart goes out to the 71 year old woman shot in the back, and now in ICU.

        It shows how frightened the military and the police are of this guy, with good cause. But, shooting people with no warning?? The cops also shot up an innocent guy’s truck, thinking this was the guy, but thankfully, he wasn’t seriously hurt.

        • SP ‘Onage

          Yeah, there is a sense of panic. The cops are getting trigger happy.

          • stillgrace

            Yeah, what happened to taking cover, then demanding people exit the vehicle with their hands in the air?

        • Captain Howdy

          Cops pointed their guns at me twice in my life and believe it or not I was doing absolutely nothing.

          • stillgrace

            In which state(s) did that happen?

            • Captain Howdy

              CA.and MA.. The one in MA. was just a few years ago. I was helping my neighbor with his computer and there was a knock at the door and my neighbor asked me to get it and when I opened the door there were 3 cops and one had his pistol out pointed right at my head. They were looking for the neighbor for domestic stuff.

          • Sandy

            Baby – I am the same as you. I remember all that. Those days were diff times …

            • No, those days weren’t very different. In some places it has gotten better, in other places not.

        • SP ‘Onage

          Torrance police also opened fire on a black honda truck who was ordered to turn around. Then a 2nd cop rammed the truck and open fire on him. Shit we’re more afraid of the police than the cop killer!

          • It was a Blue truck, not black. But it may have looked black-ish at that time of the early morning.

            • stillgrace

              Dorner’s truck was medium gray.

              If you read the comments on the many stories, many people (especially blacks) were afraid to drive their trucks before Dorner’s truck was discovered on fire near Big Bear, regardless of their truck’s color, make, or model.

          • stillgrace

            That was the incident I referred to above. Two shot-up trucks total.

      • SP ‘Onage

        Yeah, it’s pretty scary. I’m not that far from Riverside. Hope they apprehend this guy soon. He even sent a DVD to Anderson Cooper.

        • Trustmeonthis

          I’m postulating everyone’s safety!

          • SP ‘Onage

            Thanks! It’s bringing back memories of the Rodney King riots.

            • Trustmeonthis

              That was scary even up here in norcal.

      • SP ‘Onage
        • SP ‘Onage

          He mentions scilon, Laura Prepon in it.

          • 1subgenius

            There must be a “Six Degrees of Scientology” thingy.
            Everyone on earth is only 6 connections away from it.
            BTW her career is straight up and vertical, no?

        • BuryTheNuts2

          Whoa, now that is a weird read.

          We humans are certainly enigmas.

        • DeElizabethan

          Wow, wow, and wow, what a manifesto. I can’t think I’ve ever read anything like this from a single person. Interesting lines about Anonymous.

          • BuryTheNuts2

            I know, If he hadn’t have gone totally off the rails he sounds like he may have been a genuinely likeable dude.

            • Midwest Mom

              No, Blurry, No! Don’t try to deny it; you’re Bury’s evil twin, Blurry! The real Bury would have known from reading the manifesto that this guy has been messed up for years. Give Bury her laptop back and go back to your bar hopping!

            • BuryTheNuts2

              No, I agree he is totally messed up. But there were hints of normalcy underneath. That is what makes it so freaky. That is one of the things about human nature that fascinates me.
              When did the switch flip? Or is there a switch at all…but maybe a potentiometer instead.

            • stillgrace

              What if he was telling the truth about Sgt. Teresa Evans unlawfully kicking a already subdued schizophrenic young man twice in the chest and once in the face, a story verified by the young man’s father? What if he really was fired for “crossing the blue line” and reporting the misconduct of Evans?

              Maybe that contributed to his “crossing over” into madness, for madness it is. Hints of normalcy? Yes, they are there. This is a complicated case, shrouded in coverups. And you are one smart cookie, BTN!

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Yeah, I can be disgusted by his ultimate actions…but shit…what MADE this??

            • stillgrace

              As I alluded in my previous post, there is more to this story than one messed-up murderer. So much so, fellow officers are SHOOTING TO KILL, without even verifying identities.

              For heaven’s sake, Dorner is a young 6 foot, almost 300 lb. black man. The woman they shot twice in the back weighed less than 100 lbs, 5 feet tall, 71 years old, and Hispanic. The truck the woman and her daughter were in was not even the same color, make, or model as Dorner’s. Plus, law enforcement had two license plate numbers for Dorner.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              I just hope they can catch him quickly before this gets exponentially worse than it already is.

            • stillgrace

              I’m with you.

            • Captain Howdy

              Wow, psycho cop vs racist crooked cops. Tally-ho ! Too bad he’s not killing the guys who drove him nuts, but apparent innocents.

            • SP ‘Onage

              I guess he views the family members as collateral damage. It’s pretty tragic.

            • SP ‘Onage

              Damn, the guy is almost hard to hate. I was watching the news and a lot of people are actually siding with him.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              I haven’t read too much about this yet…just a bit on google news and the manifesto….but some things in that manifesto just disturb the heck out of me.
              I am definitely curious as to what happens and what we will learn from all of this.

            • SP ‘Onage

              It’s dominating the news here like crazy. Hopefully we’ll learn the whole truth? Sad to say, some of the cops around here are very corrupt. Look at Baca and scientology.

          • SP ‘Onage

            He views Anonymous a necessity that brings truth to a cloaked world. I must say, I am in total agreement with him.

            • DeElizabethan

              Yes! “Forge ahead”

            • SP ‘Onage

              He’s giving Anons his blessing. That’s a first for a cop. heh!

        • sugarplumfairy

          Holy f*ck.. That is one angry cop..

          • SP ‘Onage

            Scientology better watch out. He’s pissed at the people who backed Prop 8.

    • sizzle8

      Isn’t this going on near CST’s compound near Lone Pine?

      • SP ‘Onage

        It’s going on there and all around here. San Diego has road blocks. They don’t know where he’s going to strike next.

  • When I fist read it, I fell head over heels for the 100% claim. It’s what I needed to hear: that something was for sure. Anything. Because nothing in my life—especially my gender and sexuality—was 100%. I wanted something to hang on to, and dianetics was it. HEY—it’s GREAT to read you guys, you play so well off each other. When the series is done, PLEASE read it all out loud and sell it as an audiobook. I’d play it whenever I needed to remember that where I am NOW is the safe, good place. xoxo K

    • Poison Ivy

      That’s a great idea – Tony and Vance doing an audiobook “commentary” on Dianetics. I’d buy it for sure.

  • DeElizabethan

    First, like to say that I really enjoy reading Vance’s feedback on Dianetics.
    Second, the IAS video. Especially the first half reminds me of the many Christian videos and programs promotions for Jesus and God, being all happy and such. So here they are glorifying the IAS as their savour. Incredible!

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    I think of the IAS music videos as “Wag the Wog”.

    http://youtu.be/enH2igVo55U

  • Pocket Ghost

    Well, that video was enturbulating…now I know why Australia wasn’t included in the IAS globe logo.

  • Ivan Mapother

    Before you know it, there’ll be an East Coast/West Coast Scientology rap war. I can see it now, Chill EB has ethics put in on him in a drive-by kwowledge report. Tony Harris denies any involvment. This could get out of hand, entheta gone wild. Where’s the sanity?

    • Captain Howdy

      I’ve © MC R2-45. So clams.. let’s talk $.

      • BuryTheNuts2

        Go Capt.!

  • mook

    Aussie billionaire James Packer is still kissing Tom Cruise’s ass
    http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/business/a/-/national/16099186/tom-cruise-saved-me-packer/

    also, Chick Corea and Stanley Clarke are performing at the Grammy awards Sun. to pay tribute to Dave Brubeck, who was involved with CoS in its early years.
    http://www.strippingthegurus.com/stgsamplechapters/scientology.asp

    • BuryTheNuts2

      Tom Cruise is a Reg.
      I guess he fulfilled his Sea Org dreams after all.
      POS!

    • 1subgenius

      Not. Dave. Brubeck.

      Argh.

      This is funny:

      “The imprisoned Manson was actually later doused with gasoline and set on fire by a fellow inmate, an ex-Hare Krishna—who himself had been convicted of killing his own abortion-performing father—following Manson’s endless taunting of him for his in-jail chanting and prayers.”

      Om, my god.

    • 1subgenius

      That book “Stripping the Gurus” is available for free download on its site:

      http://www.strippingthegurus.com/ebook/download.asp

    • Wow. a Packer talks up Tom Cruise. I think I’d better reassess my entire negative view of Scientology.

    • sugarplumfairy

      Packer is a big. whiney. baby.. Make that big. rich. whiney. baby..

  • IAS video: It’s like they’ve been faking the passion so long they don’t even realize what empty shells they are. It’s no wonder they don’t reproduce.

  • mook

    Leaked Audio of Phone Call About Scientology & the NOI
    http://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=215930

    Tampa Bay local news investigates Narconon
    http://www.wtsp.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=294808

  • BosonStark

    As the public at large dismisses Hubbard’s cult as a money-sucking scam for nutters, the future of Scientology may be in Org rap battle.

    Various Sea Org groups could participate too. They could change the Sea Org motto from “We come back” to “Get your nutter on” at the Scientology Rap Battle. Calling all Elvis impersonators! EIs shatter SPs.

  • I think that maybe Hubbard didn’t really expect what happened. He was thinking, hey, make some money, put one over on my friends, have a great laugh. Have a great story to tell. It was going to be a one-shot.

    But it got out of control. These guys, Cambell, et. al., really bought it. After all the work they put in, he couldn’t back out. He could not afford to look bad.

    And he sniffed serious money. He knew he would have a locked-in market for his writing.

    And, as happens, the conflict between his little hoax and the fervent belief of his followers made him think he had maybe really discovered something important. That’s how he resolved -his- cognitive dissonance.

  • Sherbet

    New slogan — thanks to Tony — for Dianetics/Scientology: “bold assertion and zero evidence”

    Maybe that will be the theme of next year’s Super Bowl ad.

  • DeElizabethan

    @BuryTheNuts2:disqus “And I am sure my upcoming Friday night bonding with the Engineers will help!
    I will be back in no time, babbling about how total harmonic distortion is a way of quantifying the amount of harmonic content in a voltage or current waveform.”

    Can’t wait to hear ALL about it 🙂

    • BuryTheNuts2

      There was dancing and some cool chicks wearing houndstooth and leather. It rocked.
      And of course alcohol.

  • Still_On_Your_Side

    The old adage says “If young people don’t believe they can save the world, they have no heart, if older people believe they can save the world, they have no brain.” Leaving aside the fact that both the young and the old should believe they can save the world, the fact is that too many charlatans have changed the adage to “if you find young and old people who believe they can change the world, take the suckers for all you can get.” There’s nothing wrong with the apparently joyful spirit in the music video, what is wrong is that Miscavige et al are in the music video background saying “YS, YS, Suckers, now get out there and make money and more money from the suckers watching you.”

  • WhatWouldXenuDo?

    With all due respect, and no offense intended, I really cant understand how people swallow the garbage that is Dianetics…. how can there NOT be some sort of mindfucking to convince ppl this is a. a religion and b. the way to salvation and inner peace?

    I spent many summers in Clearwater, FL with my family and to this day thank my dad for dragging my ass away from a free “personality” test I said I would be glad to take.

    • Ze Moo

      The sale of Scientology begins with the interpretation of Dianetics. The explanation may not be reasonable, but it will try to get you into one of the introductory courses. Some parts of the con are crafted cleverly, some are crafted poorly. A good salesman can get you to ‘suspend disbelief’ and start you out on the bridge.

  • Ze Moo

    An article by David Love re the new “Ideal Org” in Toronto and an Anonymous protest scheduled for Saturday 2/9.

    http://www.examiner.com/article/scientology-new-cambridge-church-will-bring-new-definition-to-empty-1

    • Still_On_Your_Side

      The article quotes the local spokesperson as saying the Ideal Org outside of Toronto will be available to the community for meetings and banquets. As Narconon crashes, is Miscavige going into wedding planning and facility rentals? Is that how the Ideal Orgs will stay open?

      • Ze Moo

        Why else would anyone buy nice old buildings in the center of rust belt cities and rehab them? I think you have hit on the next business plan for CO$. Watch for the next grand opening of ‘Crazy Daves Wedding Chapel and Bar Mitzvah Center”.

        • Still_On_Your_Side

          Why not, they already have Elvis!

      • badtigger

        You know, same-sex marriage is constitutional in Canada…now wouldn’t that be ironic, if the Ideal Org had to start hosting gay marriages?

        • Still_On_Your_Side

          I think it would an appropriate form of protest for gay couples to ask CoS ministers to marry them in the states where gay marriage is legal in the US. Beyond that, if the American public was so outraged over Mel Gibson’s racist, anti -Semitic crap, and Kathy Lee Gifford’s use of sweat shop and child labor, then that public needs to know that Kirstie Alley, John Travolta, and Tom Cruise et al belong to a church that thinks so little of African Americans it doesn’t try to recruit them honestly, but instead it buys them without their knowledge so that it looks like the CoS has black members. The public also needs to be told that these same celebrities have enjoyed benefits created by child labor for decades and that, by their silence, they support the tenent of their church that says gays are the lowest form of human beings.

      • DeElizabethan

        They also stated that when they opened up the Fort Harrison, it became available to groups with scios in them to practically nothing, etc, etc. Just more PR lies.

    • Have fun storming the castle!

  • derfty

    I can’t.

  • The Dakini

    Apparently they are beating the doors down in Oz to do COS’ marketing. uh-huh. Can we say damage control?

    http://mumbrella.com.au/church-of-scientology-flattered-by-solicitations-from-australian-pr-and-marketing-firms-138662

  • I have never before desired, no demanded, autotune, but I do now.

  • From a future edition of Dianetics:

    “This is the mind that made Caligula appoint his horse to a government post. This is the mind that made a cult leader force his subordinates to salute his dogs.”

    • Trustmeonthis

      This is totally worth a look. It’s about half an hour, so they aren’t trying to fit all the basics into a few minutes and Jenna really gets to express herself. She does great!

      • seconded. She was at ease with a friendly and concerned interviewer.

  • badtigger

    Why’d the site go down earlier? Too much traffic? OSA? Anyone know?

    • N. Graham

      SMERSH.

  • Sherbet

    What always amazes me is how thousands ignored the blatant red flag that
    it was a space science fiction writer who developed a religion based
    on — guess what? — space science fiction themes. Doesn’t that strike
    newbies as an awkward coincidence? If lrh had been an author of, say, romance novels, one couldn’t reach the clear conclusion that lrh was simply editing his fiction and turning it into philosophy and fake science.

    • Sandy

      Sherbet. You had to be there to understand, I guess …. But, try …

      We thought we were smart and knew how to help the world.

      • Sandy

        Please – we all were very naive kids in those days ……

        • Sherbet

          Sandy, I’m not judging anyone who fell into cos’s clutches, and your youthful idealism is to be applauded, not criticized. What I’ve described above — I guess I’ve always wondered if it struck a new member as odd.

          • Sandy

            (((thanks))) for that

    • grundoon

      I wonder what Scientology would be like if Hubbard had been a romance writer?

  • dwayners13

    When you read about some of the tenets of Dianetics, you can see the influence of psychology as it was practiced & taught in the 1950’s. The conscious & unconscious mind, psychotherapy, narrative theory are, (to varing degrees) represented in Hubbard’s approach. That being said, there’s a lot obout Dianetics & Scientology that doesn’t come from psychology. You can see where his background in science fiction magazine comes into play as well as his previous involvements in hypnotism & even Alister Crawly.
    Hubbard may have been a charlatan, liar & “a little” paranoid, but he wasn’t an idiot. After all, the ‘church’ he created is still around today & fairly well off. In it’s heyday, Scientology was able to take in millions of dollars every week, and infiltrate the government in an unprecedented manner & yet Hubbard never spent a week in jail.
    To me it makes sense that a guy who was into psychology, science fiction, hypnotism, eastern philosophy & Alister Crowley in the1950’s would come up with Dianetics & Scientology.

  • James

    Kate Ceberano wasn’t available?

  • DodoTheLaser

    Re: New Epic IAS vid – I was beginning to like it, reminiscing “We Are The World”, despite of the pretentious douche dude, his Audi, microwave, guitar and E-Meter at the very beginning, but than Elvis and rappers ruined it. WTF?!

    These people are confused. End of rant.

  • Jory

    Just finished reading this excellent article by Dr. Oliver Sacks, “Speak, Memory”, regarding the many types of false memories. Of course it flies in the face of everything Dianetics teaches. Excellent reading. http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2013/feb/21/speak-memory/?pagination=false

  • Yeah, I read Dianetics when I was 17. I guess I assumed that in the grown up world you weren’t allowed to lie you ass off in print, unless you were a religion, and this was SCIENCE!