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Claire Headley Helps Us Get Back in the Good Graces of Scientology

AtoEClaire Headley is taking us on our journey to train as Scientologists. She and her husband Marc were Sea Org workers who escaped from Scientology’s International Base in 2005. She spent years working with Scientology’s “tech,” and was trusted to oversee the auditing of Tom Cruise. Go here to see the first part in this series.

We were all set to jump into the sauna this week, but Claire Headley had even more to say about the crucial Scientology course we’ve been considering for several weeks now, Potential Trouble Source/Suppressive Person, or PTS/SP.

Before we move on, Claire wanted to tackle even more about the notion of being “declared an SP,” Scientology’s version of excommunication, particularly with the notion that an SP might get back in the good graces of the church through certain steps.

CLAIRE: That’s right. But first, let me cite a few statistics:

L. Ron Hubbard says that two and a half percent of the population are suppressives. And 20 percent are PTS.

I’m no statistician, but there were 1,000 people at the Int Base when I arrived there in 1991. When I escaped in 2005, that number was down to around 600 and further dramatically dwindled after I left and is currently at 200 to 300, to the best of my knowledge.

According to Hubbard’s figures, of those original 1,000 workers, 200 would be PTS, and 25 would be SPs. So how to explain the 700 who have left or escaped?

THE BUNKER: In other words, people are getting labeled these things simply because they’ve fallen out of favor with the church in one way or another, and not for the reasons Hubbard originally defined these conditions.

CLAIRE: And here’s something else to consider. Here’s the definition of “Suppressive Person” from Hubbard’s Introduction to Scientology Ethics:

Suppressive Person — a person who suppresses other people in his vicinity. A suppressive person will goof up or vilify any effort to help anybody and particularly knife with violence anything calculated to make human beings more powerful or more intelligent. The whole rationale of the suppressive person (SP) is built on the belief that if anyone got better, the SP would be for it as the others could overcome him then. He is fighting a battle he once fought and never stopped fighting. He is in an incident. Present time people are mistaken by him for past, long-gone enemies. Therefore, he never really knows what he is fighting in present time, so just fights.

So, according to Hubbard, a suppressive person is one who continues to fight a battle that is no longer taking place, a person who considers everyone out to get him. That’s the idea you have of an SP — at least that was my perspective growing up in Scientology.

Up_The_BridgeAnd yet here’s the kicker. If you leave Scientology and are declared a suppressive person (as I was), you are told that you must “recant” and do steps “A through E” if you ever want to be “undeclared” and return to good standing as a Scientologist.

Well, I think it’s worth taking a look at what that really means:

Step A. Tells the person or group to stop committing present time overts and to cease all attacks and suppressions so he, she, or they can get a case gain.

So in other words, the only reason I left Scientology is because I’m a bad person?

I’m no longer a Scientologist, and I don’t believe in Scientology anymore. So what does that mean for me? So much for respecting people of all religions. And so much for “What is true for you is what you have observed yourself” — the oft-repeated line that sucked many a person into Scientology to begin with. At the front door, it’s all about acceptance. Clearly, that’s not the case at the back door.

B. Requires a public announcement to the effect that they realize their actions were ignorant and unfounded and stating where possible the influences or motivations which caused them to attempt to suppress or attack Scientology; gets it signed before witnesses and published broadly, particularly to persons directly influenced or formerly associated with the former offender or offenders. The letter should be calculated to expose any conspiracy to suppress Scientology or the preclear or Scientologist if such existed.

And again, we’re back to “the only reason you left Scientology is because you committed crimes and had bad intentions, and to get back into Scientology requires a full confession of said evil motivations.” Seriously?

B1. Requires that all debts owed to Scientology organizations or missions are paid off.

And here’s where it gets fun. So let’s talk specifics. If Marc or I were to ever want to talk to our parents again, these are the steps we’d be required to do. And in our case, we were given “freeloader bills” — that’s the bills for all the training and auditing we received while we were members of the Sea Organization. And the grand total added up to $150,000. You know, after working 15 years and earning $40 a week (if we were lucky), it’s hard to explain what a bill like that does to your head.

B2. May require that, subject to the approval of the International Justice Chief, an amends project suitable and commensurate with the severity and extent of the suppressive acts committed be completed before further A to E steps are undertaken…

And now you get to “make up the damage.”

This is often the step people are doing when they embark on the infamous Facebook policing of Scientologists.

This is also where they use people to spy on other ex-Scientologists. As “amends” and helping to “make up the damage.” Quotes used to delineate Scientology lingo here.

C. Requires training beginning at the lowest level of the Bridge at their expense if executives in charge of training will have the person or the group members.

And then you get to redo all your training. Of course at full price this time.

D. Makes a note of all of the above matters with copies of the statement and files in the ethics files of those concerned.

And we document everything we did on the steps above very thoroughly.

E. Informs the International Justice Chief and forwards a duplicate of the original statements which show signatures.

More documentation.

And of course, the final step is that everything you’ve done on the above steps has to be approved by everyone from International Justice Chief all the way up to the top dogs in the Religious Technology Center, RTC, the governing entity of Scientology.

It is very likely there will be numerous “rejects” and you will have to redo one or more of the above steps at least once if not multiple times.

If you finally make it through these steps, a goldenrod issue will be put out publicly to all Scientologists stating that you have been restored to good standing after completing steps A to E above.

But here’s my point. I find this to be extremely contradictory. A suppressive person is supposedly someone who is fighting Martians over and over (or something). The handling for which, according to Hubbard, is very specifically a “Search and Discovery” where you uncover past suppressives you’ve been connected to.

And yet steps A to E above have nothing to do with that. They are strictly and only related to two things: a. paying a boatload of money to Scientology and b. returning to Scientology. Meanwhile, the only person in Scientology a declared SP can communicate with is the International Justice Chief. In fact, it’s a “High Crime” for a Scientologist to communicate with someone who has been declared a suppressive person.

So how does that factor into Scientology’s statements that disconnection is a choice?

You got it: It’s a bunch of lies in a desperate and unsuccessful attempt to recover some semblance of public acceptance.

THE BUNKER: Claire, you continue to surprise us. Thanks very much for this look at the situation you face as an “SP.” The church has put you in such a lousy position — the only way you’ll see your parents again is through this A to E trap. And so many others are in the same situation. We hear from them all the time.

CLAIRE: I found so many factors in Scientology to be completely at odds, defying all logic.

“Middle class PTSness” was another one of those. This is a form of PTSness defined by Hubbard as:

But what may be overlooked is that persons of the middle class (which is a culture, not an income bracket, to which belong all the puritan hypocritical mores of the cop and the get-a-job-be-a-moderate-plugging-success) frown very terribly on anything that at the least bit tries to make a better world. The middle class wants the world of a job and order and even hypocrisy and cops because they are AFRAID. They hold their narrow views because any other views may disturb their twenty-year house mortgage, the store, the job. So when someone decides to make a better world, they look on him as a direct menace even though the dull middle-class world is a sort of slavery and suicide. It is the middle class that tries the hardest to keep the down-and-outer out and down, who go along with a cop America and hate support of anything not in their class. And nearly every PTS you have will be found one way or another to be PTS to the middle class. As a group, not as individuals, the middle-class parent world suppress anything different.

Growing up in Scientology, it was constantly preached to me that my desire to live a normal life meant that I was PTS to the middle class.

THE BUNKER: So, in other words, your problems in life — or especially in Scientology — were caused by your connection to, or desire to be a part of, that “middle class” that Hubbard defined as such drudges who were focused on their narrow definitions of success.

CLAIRE: You’ve got it. I wanted to live in a normal house not a commune. I wanted to spend time with my mother, not consider her a stranger. I wanted to drive a car, and I wanted to be a teacher. But all of those things meant not being part of the Sea Org and a “dedicated Scientologist.” And that was bad.

Being a Scientologist meant setting aside all desire to live well in life and give every last piece of one’s very soul to Scientology. In the Sea Org, that meant every waking moment. To a public Scientologist, it meant every last penny.

And yet when I was at the International Base in Hemet, a key focus promoted by David Miscavige was “they will know us by our MEST.” MEST being Matter, Energy, Space and Time, the Scientology word for the physical universe.

THE BUNKER: In other words, Hubbard’s notion of “Middle Class PTSness” enforced a loyalty to Scientology that spurned consumerism or material obsessions. But Miscavige was promoting the opposite — that the Sea Org’s success could be measured in how physically attractive its facilities were.

CLAIRE: Starting in 1999, Miscavige started the Ideal Org plan. The problem that needed addressing, supposedly, was that Tom Cruise could not take Steven Spielberg and other celebrities into Scientology organizations because they weren’t up to standard.

And so that program of creating new facilities began.

THE BUNKER: And now everything is about the buildings, whether they’re needed or not. Sounds like Miscavige has a pretty bad case of Middle Class PTSness.

And we feel pretty fully versed in the PTS/SP course, which we now understand is so crucial to a Scientologist’s conditioning. Next week, let’s slip into the sauna.

 
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Scientology’s Odd Geography — Beverly Hills Now in Santa Monica!

On Saturday, we brought you some photos from Angry Gay Pope, who had noted that Scientology had lost another mission in the Los Angeles area — the Beverly Hills mission had closed its doors after limping along for the last couple of years. Previously, he noted, missions in Santa Monica and on Melrose had also closed. But he also pointed out that the church was making assurances that a new spot on the west side would soon open up.

Another of our tipsters has apparently found it — and it’s in Santa Monica, but it’s being called the Beverly Hills mission, which doesn’t make a lot of sense. (This would be a little like opening a Brooklyn mission in Queens, for you east coasters.) Here’s a photo our tipster sent us…

BHMission3

We’re told that this is in the same location as the old Santa Monica mission.

Well, apparently there’s some life left in the old mission network yet. Hurry on over and get your free personality test!

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on June 4, 2013 at 07:00

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  • Kevin Woolard

    Confused. So the whole Idle Morgue thing was to provide nice buildings up to the standards required by Hollywood’s finest, should they decide to pop by? Do we believe that? – isn’t that what celebrity centres are for? Is the accumulation of a property portfolio at the expense of the downtrodden parishioner merely a side-benefit?

    • aquaclara

      And then, the swarms of celebs, starlets and wannabes will flock to the church, make blockbuster after blockbuster film shouting out to the world the glory of xenu. The stars will be Highly Decorated Gold Patrimonius Award Winners, hailed by all as glowing examples of all that LRH, or at least COB, envisioned. And the coffers will be loaded…

      • Kevin Woolard

        You’re right, aqua – nothing could possibly go wrong with that plan …

    • BosonStark

      I never thought of the Ideal Org program in this light, but now I see how it makes some sense. It was only during the later years of Hubbard’s life when they began to collect celebrities, and then, it was enough to have Celebrity Centers for them to go to.

      Just a few words from Tom Cruise to Miscavige, if maybe he traveled somewhere to make a movie and noticed the pitiful condition of the local Org — that would be enough to get the gears working for this. Not only does it buy into the “build it and they will come” fantasy for members, especially celebrity members, but there’s little else Miscavige can do.

      Hubbard had a small percentage of the population who were eager to buy into his secrets. They didn’t care what the places looked like so much. But what happens when there are no more secrets because of the Internet? Well, they have to sell something else.

      If they are trying to sell success and importance to people, I’d say it means something to the remaining potential raw meat, for them to LOOK successful and important, and lose the store front look. Likewise, David Miscavige can’t wear cheap suits and stumble through improvised speeches. He has to look like the success that Scientology says all members can be through the methods of L. Ron Hubbard.

      Miscavige doesn’t have the same group under him that Hubbard had. Those were people who expected Ron to live to be 110, at least, and then come back. He didn’t do that so Miscavige has to sell not only Ron’s secrets which they are constantly unearthing or sprucing up, but star shine and success.

      The point is there is no way for Scientology to attract droves of new people into this trap, so Miscavige is trying to sell the only thing he can, the success that Scientology is supposed to have reached by now.

      • DodoTheLaser

        Great post, Starky!

        Things scientology tried to sell and eventually failed:

        – Clear

        – OT

        – L Rundowns

        – Super Power

        – Saint Hill Size Orgs

        – Ideal Orgs

        – Cleared Planet

        A scam is a scam is a scam.

        • sugarplumfairy

          The really scary sad thing about it all is that even if lrh and co$ advertised what thy were selling honestly.. Even if they called it the scam it is.. there would STILL be people who would buy it..

        • aquaclara

          .

  • Skydog

    The use of the word “freeloader” is offensive. People who have dedicated their lives to this crap and spending years as slaves -excuse me, as religious volunteers – after leaving are called freeloaders because they might want to have children and a better life? They are not PTS to the middle class? I have so much for respect for Mark and Claire Headley. They have handled these assholes with dignity and grace. Living well and being happy is the best revenge and I wish them the and their family the very best.

    • monkeyknickers

      God I so wholeheartedly agree with you. Of ALL the examples (which are legion) that illustrate the ways the CoS is willing to screw you over for a buck, “freeloader” debt has got to be in my top 5. Evil, unforgivable. Seriously, when I get my sister out they’re gonna bill her for 50k ? They can just come and get it, the assholes.

      Actually . . . . hmm. Does anyone know how much money the CoS receives every year from freeloader debt payments? Like – is it a moneymaker in a major way?

      • richelieu jr

        If it makes any money, it’s pure profit, and that’s secondary any way it is a baton and a threat that is used any number of ways…

        • monkeyknickers

          But . . . is it enough to be an income stream? Is there any way legally to use this “freeloader” shit as proof of fraud and strong arming?

          • Bella Legosi

            The Catholic church does something similar. If the CC pays for you to go to four years of college and at the last moment decide not to take the vows, you then become liable for the money spent on your education.

            My knowledge of this is extremely limited and may be slightly incorrect. Elaboration is warmly welcomed, as Bella hates putting incorrect information out there and really doesn’t mind being corrected! I am not sure what they call it, but I wonder if Co$ has used this as an example to members as a way of making it sound legal and binding.

            • Lady Squash

              My Dear Mr. Legosi, There is little similarity between what the Catholic Church and what Scientology does a) A seminarian is actually getting an education which has real, intrinsic value b) while in college, a seminarian is not also working 80 hours a week for the CC c) a seminarian is not constantly being lied to about everything or cut off from the world d) If the seminarian changes his mind, he is not threatened with losing his eternity or harassed and followed by private detectives.
              Lady Squash hopes you will consider the differences as well as the similarities.

            • Bella Legosi

              Thank you mah Lady! I do consider those points and really wasn’t trying to compare the Catholic church’s policy with that of the Co$. I was trying to point out that seminary students can be obligated to pay for the schooling they received if they do not take the vow. I do not think for a moment that Co$ and RCC have the same policies toward its clergy, nor do I believe that RCC is as sinister as the Co$ (outside of the molestation and rape abuse and homophobia; the RCC treats its parishioners and clergy a hell of a lot better then Co$) Also, one of the big differences with Co$ and the RCC is that at Sunday Mass, priests and nuns do not block the exits while the collection plate goes around and they do not threaten your eternity if you do not tithe.

              I was pointing out what I did because Co$ has a bad habit of saying, “Well other religions do it, so it’s okay for us!” I really really hate that and it irritates me to no end.

            • Bella Legosi

              🙂
              The AV is a bit misleading……..I be a Ms. Legosi. “Bella” is the feminine term for “beautiful” in Italian (which I am half).

    • richelieu jr

      These people make 160-200 dollars a month, so about 2,400 a year, for, say ten years… 24k.. How much is an average salary int he stated? About 80k (number pulled out of my ass in a tribute to Hubbard’s methods of religious research. That means If they quite after a decade they have donated roughly, what, 9.65 years of work to the cult?

      That’s going on 300k, and that’s presuming these are average Joes and not the utterly exceptional super-beings we are constantly told they are…

      Someone needs to call their math on the mat in open court. This is ridiculous. OK, they agreed to join the religious organization, so let’s just write off al that lost income and time. bad decision, live with it.

      That doesn’t mean they have to continue working for it after they quit, which is what Freeloader Debt’ effectively obliges them to do. ‘Sorry Tommy, you can’t go to college because mommy and daddy were slaves for a decade and haven’t finished paying off the privilege!”? Even indentured servants in the 18th century had more rights than that.

      The idea that this is being enforced by US courts is chilling, and beggars belief, frankly.

      • John P.

        It is absolutely unenforceable in US courts. The cult has never, to my knowledge, tried to collect on a freeloader debt by any external means, lawsuit or collection agency. Anybody who thinks they will avoid disconnection by family is pressured into paying, but not because anything other than Scientology wil make that happen.

        • richelieu jr

          I think I was confusing the poor Headleys having to pay the $cilons court costs over the abortion suit with the Freedloader issue…

        • monkeyknickers

          I said this above, but . . .do you think the freeloader nonsense can be litigated? It’s fucking fraud and COMPLETE extortion.

    • Lady Squash

      And yet, LRH said this policy was to protect the Church from Scientologists who signed contracts to get free service and then left. When I read that, I thought the policy sounded reasonable. I had bitten into the magic mushroom and Up was Down.

  • Observer

    I can’t even come up with the words to describe how this made me feel–Marc’s and Claire’s families destroyed by Davey wielding Ron’s ugly and evil intent. However vain a hope it may be, I wish their parents would wake up and blow.

    Another blatant case of projection courtesy of Mankind’s Greatest Friend:

    “The middle class wants the world of a job and order and even hypocrisy and cops because they are AFRAID.”

    From the Affirmations:

    “You are courageous. You fear nothing. Your prudence results from judgment, not emotions … [Yeah, that’s the ticket! I’m not a coward, I’m prudent!]

    “Snakes are not dangerous to you. There are no snakes in the bottom of your bed …

    “You love the sounds of wind. The wind will not get you ever …”

    If Hubbard hadn’t been a sadistic, soul-sucking, moneygrubbing, self-deifying charlatan I could almost feel for him.

    • richelieu jr

      “There is not monster in the closet.. Daddy checked and he’ll never come back (the monster, not Daddy…”

      “Women find red-hair very attractive.. You are not some hellish offspring of Howard the Duck and Carrot-Top.”

      “People LOVE $cientology. Their kids didn’t need the money anyway, and will be happier without it.”

      “People will understand that you were only,joking after you are dead and love you for it. This organization will not metastasize under the leadership of that little ass-lick you promoted to clapper/loader that day you were playing film director. No one will be harmed and by 19990 it will all be part of the past.”

  • CoolHand

    The whole thing about being declared an SP and having to do the A – E program is a serious mindfuck when you’re stuck in the middle of wanting to be out of the trap yet not ready to leave the other parts of your life behind. It is complete manipulation all they way and full of contradictions, as Claire pointed out. Just one more reason why it all needs to be exposed for what it is.

    Someone asked me this week if I felt like I had an idea when it would come crashing down, and if I had to pick a date, I think it will be reduced to nearly nothing by the end of 2015, which is when all of the criminal charges and trials will be in full-swing. It has been set into motion and there is no stopping it now. Too many people sharing information and too much evidence being uncovered.

    The Sopranos was just announced as being the best-written series of all time, but there is enough material in the criminal racketeering enterprise called Scientology to make mobsters look cute.

    • 10oriocookies

      I remember remember getting my freeloader debt at Arrowhead. Ethics there was also in the business of A to E. Secular? Whatever!

      • DodoTheLaser

        It’s complicated like that, Eric. Lol
        Some day we all should meet and have a beer or two.
        Cheers to you and your family!

      • richelieu jr

        Has any word been more debased by $cientology than ‘ethics’?

        Aristotle must be spinning like a top in his grave.

    • DodoTheLaser

      Brilliant post, Luke. Thank you!

    • richelieu jr

      I thought the Sopranos dd kind of make Mobsters look cute.

      David Chase said he regretted that, actually.

    • Poison Ivy

      The Mafia were/are ruthless. Scientology is not only ruthless but also diabolical.

      • Lady Squash

        I agree Poison Ivy. At least with the mafia you know what you were dealing with. The mafia is cruel, vile, wicked, fiendish, heinous. Scientology is all those things but is skilled enough in the art of manipulation to make you believe it is good. That is if you took a bite of the poison mushroom. The poison enters your system and blinds you to the evil. It is truly black magic.

  • Pinkhammer

    Aaarrrrggggghhhhh! This is killing me today! I have a friend who was on staff for 10-12 years (started as a teenager) and blew! But only because he wanted to have kids so badly. Needless to say, scientology made him a master communicator and expert at relationships, so he never did manage to get married… He still wanted to be a scientologist and couldn’t find a girl willing to accept his scientologyness, let alone dabble in it too, so after about 15 years, HE WENT BACK last year!

    • Pinkhammer

      And, to top it all off, while he was out he managed a bachelor’s degree as well as an MBA! Watching all of that, as well as hanging out here with y’all helps me to understand that logic, common sense and intelligencee go straight out the window when someone has an emotional hole in their life that they’re trying desperately to fill…

      • aquaclara

        Such a shame about your friend. Going back after 15 years might be a bit of a shocker – I wonder if the reality resembles what he remembered from the first time around.
        I’ll keep my fingers crossed that he stays in touch with you so that when the bubble bursts, he knows you’re there.

    • DodoTheLaser

      He will leave soon. I’m not always right, but mark my words.

      • Pinkhammer

        I hope so, and that he drags his Sea Org family and new Scientological fiance with him! I’ll throw a giant bunker party when that happens!
        (Of course he sees the fact that he is no longer disconnected from his family [but technically now disconnected from other family overseas although he is still in touch with them] and that he has a fiance at all as proof that Scientology is the answer to everything! I see it as another hurdle to realizing the truth…)

        • richelieu jr

          Ha! A $cilon Fiancée? That kind of changes the equation, doesn’t it?

          • Pinkhammer

            I think they did some part of the Admin scale to make sure they were on the same page and had the same goals… They both just want to get married and have kids, so it was a pretty easy decision!

    • Guest

      WE COME BACK!

      • InTheNameOfXenu

        Many Are Called, Most Leave, Few Stay Behind Trapped In A Virtual Prison.

        • sketto

          Many Are Called, Few Answer, All Who Do Go Nuts.

      • Pinkhammer

        Seriously??!!! That’s a real poster? Wow!

        At least my friend didn’t go back on staff…

      • John P.

        “We come back!” is also the motto of the billion-strong cockroach colony that has infested Manhattan apartments for centuries.

        Nice to see that you get a fake sword to go with your fake uniform when you join the fake navy.

  • DodoTheLaser

    So an SP is stuck in an incident and yet is expected to do A-E steps somehow. Sure.
    Ron’s logical word salad at its finest. Control mechanism is all it ever was and still is.

    Even scientologists know that most people declared SPs are not evil, yet they choose
    to keep the mental blinders on because that’s the game Ron wants them to play.

    It’s not working too well and the sand box is almost empty. Most kids wised up and left.

  • DodoTheLaser

    For lurkers on the fence who wonder why scientology still didn’t manage to clear the planet
    despite all of the donations, pretty buildings and OT’s (ha, ha, ha) – there are probably more people
    declared SPs then scientologists in a good standing – that’s why.

    • CoolHand

      Exactly, and they definitely create their own enemies.

    • aquaclara

      hehehe…” scientology orgs would look like walmart on black Friday.”
      Well, Davey’s trying hard to get the “looking like” part right. At least in the glossy post-event pictures.

      • DodoTheLaser

        🙂 Waiting for otviiisGreat! or Observer’s shoop of The Ideal Scientology Walmart on black Friday.
        Remember The Ideal Gas Station?! Lol

        • aquaclara

          I need need need need to cultivate shoop skills. Maybe I’ll start with people, since no one will notice if there is a missing head or two. Where is our ideal walmart?!

    • Well, I think the Sea Org workers are pretty much always stressed as much as people working at Walmart on a particularly bad Black Friday. Like the year the central computing for credit cards went down. I was working at Gamestop that year, and it was bad enough. Walmart must be worse.

      Of course, I was also subsisting on more than rice and beans, and was paid substantially more working part-time at a game store for just over minimum wage than Sea Org workers are paid for working 16-hour days. And I didn’t have to fear my boss would hit me.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      There’s no “probably” to it, Dodo. Based on all the figures I knew when in and those who have since emerged and given accurate figures, there has never at any time been more than 30,000 to 40,000 active members in any given decade. I still hold to estimates today around the 12,000 mark. Most are families into 3rd generation. Figure family starts out with 2 children and now has 2 grandchildren. Including parents, that is 6 members. That means 12,000 could break down to 2,000 families. But how many of those are staff? If they are staff, they don’t have money and they are Not going to get to Clear.

    • richelieu jr

      Ahy totalitarian organization needs enemies… The ‘other’ is an absolutely essential ingediant in forming the ‘us’ art of the ‘us and them’ dichotomy… This is necessary for groupthink and the justification for the heavy-handed measures (usually ‘temporary’) that keep the powers-that-be in place.

  • aquaclara

    The degree of control Scientology holds over its members is chilling. For someone to be subject to High Crimes simply because you changed your mind about belonging to the church or because you want to talk to someone who isn’t a Scientologist is a direct violation of this country’s constitutional protections. The COS hides this under a pretense of freedom of religion, but denies members the simple freedom of being able to walk out the door of one of those lovely new buildings.
    And it’s certainly not free.
    Glad to hear that the numbers at Int are declining. I hope that it means more are finding ways to escape.

  • May_West

    So facebook nazi JoJo is likely doing step B2.
    She’s been at it a long time.

    • VickiStubing

      She probably has a “mission” in life to “protect” her fellow Sciloons. Or maybe she’s a busybody, Sci-style. Or she’s stuck in an electronic incident. Or maybe she’s just evil.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Hers is another tragic scientology family story. Forgot details, but her dad wanted out of scientology, there were the usual problems. He wound up committing suicide. JoJo I believe was born into it or very very young. She is an artist in her own mind but evidently no one outsider her head other than OSA will agree. So she uses OSA and OSA uses her. To the outside world, she just appears mental.

        • Poison Ivy

          How very sad.

  • Racnad

    It was as plain as day to me that in practice, SP declares were not about identifying inherently toxic people (as some of the definitions suggest), but about enforcing compliance with whatever those higher on the management chain want someone to comply with. Did anyone bring that up in KRs or ARC Break sessions?

    • DodoTheLaser

      Great point. And yes it is a recurring theme in sessions – people get upset about others being declared,
      so they are taken in sessions, shown references, dead agent packs, as a “handling” until they are
      “handled” or act like they are.

  • DodoTheLaser

    So CO SMI is in the hole and Beverly Hills Mission is in Santa Monica. Makes sense.

  • sugarplumfairy

    Wow.. Middle class PTSness is new to me.. Haven’t seen that before.. Thank you, thank you, thank you, Jesus, for whatever universal coin flip that determined I’d be born to a middle class cop rather than a superior big being who wants to “build a better world..” yes, I have a mortgage and a job.. I have seven brothers and sisters with mortgages and jobs.. We don’t have to lie to or steal from anyone.. We don’t have to shill for anyone.. When we come across a “down and outer” we are free to truly help him without requiring something of equal value in return.. lrh was a big fat evil selfish conman but he was right about one thing.. I do look at him as a direct menace..

    I’ll take my middle class slavery and suicide over lrh’s bridge to total freedom any day of the week..

    • Kim O’Brien

      I find my mothers type A personality with a touch of catholic guilt/judgement …downright endearing compared to scientologists . I’ll take my family of cops, military peeps , self employed artists , teachers and small business owners …any day of the week 😉

      • aquaclara

        Hear, hear. And a bumper sticker for you!

        • Poison Ivy

          Slaínte!

        • Lady Squash

          AquaClara, you totally made Lady Squash laugh. Thank you. I want one of those!

      • Missionary Kid

        Al queda is one of the few organizations I consider more evil than Co$.

        • Poison Ivy

          I’d agree with that. They actually take little kids and convince them to blow themselves up. They are worse.

          • Missionary Kid

            IMO, not by a whole lot.

    • Poison Ivy

      Classic narcissistic and criminal mind – we’re more special than the average Joe, the Middle Class, the schmucks who work for a living, wait in line and do things honestly. This is why Scientology is the perfect religion for the narcissist.

  • stillgrace

    Thank you, Claire, for explaining the twisted logic involved in the ‘a to e’ steps. I hope your mother sees the light in time to appreciate her grandchildren while they are young.

    It seems DM is geographically-challenged to the point of snootiness. Santa Monica is just NOT Beverly Hills, if you know what I mean. A similar situation exists in the Bay Area, south of San Francisco. Los Gatos is a tony, upscale town nestled against the Santa Cruz mountain range. The “Los Gatos Org” is in a commercial area of San Jose. It’s in a nice building, but it’s no where near Los Gatos. Very pretentious!

    The “Stevens Creek Org” is no where near the historic Stevens Creek Boulevard or the Stevens Creek that actually has water in it. That org is located 10 miles away in the Berryessa district of San Jose. Maybe having power over MEST means you can say you are located somewhere, but really be many miles away.

    • DodoTheLaser

      Yep. Like Cincinnati Org is somehow in Florence, Kentucky now.
      Because it’s only 10 miles away.Them OT’s and their mind tricks.

      • CoolHand

        But it is totally booming now that it is Ideal, right? Looking like Walmart on Black Friday?

        • DodoTheLaser

          Yeah… when people manage to find it (even though it is almost next to actual Walmart).
          And no, the bar across the street is booming a lot more.

    • N. Graham

      That’s why the Mt. Zoo org is moving to Pacific Heights in the city.

      • stillgrace

        Which SF org is Mt. Zoo? I’m only familiar with the org in the building that USED to be the historic site of the first B of A, the one on Montgomery, south of North Beach. That’s where the Anons like to Tunak dance.

        • N. Graham

          Sorry, my friends and I have sobriquets for most of the Northern California cities. Mt. Zoo is really Mt. View. Sunnyvale-Smoggy Jail Foster City-Foster Child Pinole-Pinhole
          And so on…

          • stillgrace

            Ohhhhh, I get it now. My family has sobriquets (gotta love that word) for fast food restaurants. Burger Thing, Jack in the Crack, Starducks, SchmuckDonald’s. Taco Smell, the list goes on.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      I dunno… It has been pretty common for years for Los Angeles businesses to idenify themselves with Beverly Hills, regardless of location. Most famous case in point is the Beverly Center, a tony shopping mall that is NEXT to Beverly Hills, but not in the actual city.

      Claiming you are of Beverly Hills while you are actually in Santa Monica is no crime. Of course, it is a very, very middle class-type pretension. So one could make a pretty strong case that it is Quite PTS…

      • Kim O’Brien

        like people who say they are from or / live in Boston. That irks me sometimes

        • Poison Ivy

          What if you really are from Boston (as in born there?) 😉

      • stillgrace

        I have no issue with the Beverly Center. Cool place. You’re right- no crime. In the Bay Area, the names of the orgs are just jokes and pretentious confusion.

      • richelieu jr

        Of course the Beverly Center is on Beverly Blvd and La Cienega, right?

    • monkeyknickers

      I think they should make a Colma Ideal Org. It’d be appropriate.

      • monkeyknickers

        Shit – that was too obscure maybe. But Colma (near Steven’s Creek) is the place where the San Francisco municipality RE-interred 10s of thousands of dead people as the city expanded, and the pesky cemeteries within city limits became prime real-estate. In fact – there are parks in SF where the pathways are bricked with the old headstones. I shit you not.

        • stillgrace

          Oh, monkeyknickers, that’s too funny! And very appropriate! I was just going to elaborate on this! Colma is the smallest city in San Mateo county at 2 square miles. Roughly three quarters of the land is indeed cemeteries with 1.5 million “souls” as residents. Does Stevens Creek run that far north? I’ll have to check. I’m more familiar with the end of Stevens Creek that has the dam. That’s where we played hooky in high school.

          • John P.

            Stevens Creek doesn’t go to Colma — it’s about 50 miles away. You might be thinking of El Camino Real, which does go all the way up the Peninsula including a route through Colma, before it turns into Mission St. in San Francisco. El Camino goes down into San Jose but doesn’t really cross Stevens Creek, though State Route 82, which is the designation including El Camino and Mission St. turns into South Market St. in downtown San Jose, which crosses East San Carlos Street; Stevens Creek Blvd. is the western extension of San Carlos. Confused yet?

            • stillgrace

              Grew up here; not confused at all. ‘knickers and I were talking about the actual CREEK that is named Stevens Creek, which the Boulevard is named after!

        • Get Chutney Love

          Yes, next to Alviso it’s the deadest place in the S.F. Bay Area.

    • Pete Cockerell

      Haha, I’d heard of those Bay Area orgs but I had no idea their locations were so unrelated to their names. Makes sense , though – hard to imagine them being able to afford the rent in downtown Los Gatos when even Castro Street in Mt. View proved too expensive. What do they call the org on Whisman in Mt. View? Stanford?

      • stillgrace

        They recently tried to open a Dianetics Center that really is in Los Gatos. I wrote about it as they were moving in at 10 Jackson Street, across the street from the historic high school. Seven months later, there is no trace of them, thank goodness. I like the sound of “Stanford Org”- I wouldn’t be surprised!

  • Couch_Incident

    Reminder to the Lurkers:
    THEY CAN’T ENFORCE FREELOADER DEBT – DON’T PAY.
    YOU DON’T HAVE TO ROUTE OUT – THEY JUST WANT TO SUCK YOU BACK IN.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Also, remember that 99% of all persons who have ever gone Clear in Scientology have now been declared. The math just doesn’t match up, does it?

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      May I add:
      Doubt is OK.
      All your stats are wrong.

      • richelieu jr

        I would add:

        YOU ARE NOT THE ONLY PERSON LYING TO MAKE THEIR STATS.

        WHAT IF EVERYONE IS?

        THINK ABOUT IT.

        • Zana

          Hilarious! All the stats are made up. !!! ?? Could be. Absolutely f-in’ hilarious.

  • DodoTheLaser

    [IMG]http://i44.tinypic.com/33v17k8.jpg[/IMG]

  • BosonStark

    Maybe they should call ALL Scientology missions, “Church of Scientology, Mission of Beverly Hills.”

    They could save on signage buying in bulk, and the “penitents” would be reminded that Scientology is the only way to real happiness, making it their mission of making people able enough to live in Beverly Hills. It’s not like you’re going to strike oil in your backyard — you need a technology.

    • N. Graham

      On the East Coast there will just be the Church of Scientology-Mission of Southhampton.

      • John P.

        You might be thinking of the Church of Scientology of Greenwich, which would have a branch in Southampton to cater to the throngs of hedge fund elites who want auditing on weekends. Take it from someone who has lived in both places: Greenwich makes Beverly Hills look like a trailer park.

        • BosonStark

          Okay John, the mission in Greenwich can be called,”Church of Scientology, Mission of Beverly Hills Trailer Park.” It’ll give the Greewichers an understanding of the sacrifice it takes to be a Sciloon.

          • aquaclara

            ^^^^^^

        • richelieu jr

          I think the Billion Year Contract is Measured on Greenwich Meanie Time..

        • stateofcircle

          I work in Greenwich. A 5 year old scoffed at my 2007 Volvo, because it is so old it is older than him. He knew it was pre 2008. He was an asshole. I also witnessed an art show at a pre-school, which was catered with linens, veuve champagne, servers in tuxes, passed hors d’oeuvres, and crazy amazing food. For fucking fingerpainted paper towel tubes.

          • aquaclara

            Thanks for the laugh. Sorry that it is true!

  • Phil McKraken

    Paying your mortgage — so friggin’ lame. What are you AFRAID of? That your children won’t have a roof over their heads?

    • DodoTheLaser

      I know, right?! And who needs wog’s lame education when there is KTL and LOC!
      It looks great on your sear org resume!

  • EnthralledObserver

    I know it’s pure fantasy that someone would be thinking this way who was considering getting back in good standing and doing A to E, but I’d be handing them my own counter bill detailing what the church owed me for wages at wog prices, which would invariably cancel the Freeloader debt out multiple times…. ahhh, fantasy, it’s a beautiful thing…

    • DodoTheLaser

      And you nailed it beautifully!

      • EnthralledObserver

        🙂

    • RMycroft

      It used to be policy that “freeloader debts” would age-off over five years. At five years, the bill would be down to 20% or so, and anything older than five years was gone.

      I take it that this policy has been cancelled?

      • DodoTheLaser

        It’s negotiable. It always was. Depending on one’s willingness to kiss ass.

        • richelieu jr

          Or who you’re related to.

  • Racnad

    I personally know people who were inspired by the concept of “Middle Class PTS” to turn down offers of paid college education from family members to join staff hand help clear the planet. They are now about 50 and still struggling to get by.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      I remember when that first came out. It was another red flag for many of us. For one thing, it was a generality and believe me, most of us noticed this. An alarming generality like this was a characteristic of a …SP! It also didn’t make sense. I believe this came out around the same time when Hubbard had gone INSANE with the pricing so I see it as an attempt to silence all the customers wailing in the lobby.

    • That’s really sad. Why waste time in college when you can join the Sea Org and learn the priceless tech of window washing and bilge cleaning?

    • Poison Ivy

      That breaks my heart. Real education is something no one can take away from you.

  • media_lush

    This explains one of those things that piqued my interest years ago and that was when Cruise came to the UK headquarters and made this comment about a protestor he saw and was picked up by a journalist “he’s stuck in an electronic incident”. What’s with the added word ‘electronic’, is this different to a normal incident?

    • DodoTheLaser

      Because Hubbard liked his sophisticatednesses.

      • EnthralledObserver

        Electronic-ness is sophisticated-nesses?? Well, might go get me an ipad then I suppose…

        • DodoTheLaser

          I’m blissfully stuck in androidness.

    • aquaclara

      The whole phrase is batshit crazy. Probably made Tommy feel big because he had somebody to kick.

    • I’ll be glad to help with this. Most incidents (or engrams) are run of the mill affairs such as being poked in the eye with a penis in the womb, falling out of an airplane, or having your DC8 space plane explode. An electronic incident is when one of those evil whole track psychs zapped you with high doses of electricity while showing you a bunch of pictures (implant station) or stuck you in an electronic holding device. No kidding. If I recall correctly “History of Man” has a lot of info on this (besides the infamous clam account).

      Oddly enough some of what they’re building at FLAG for Super Power (the pain station and whatever that spinning gyroscope apparatus is) sounds like these kinds of machines. Oh gosh, what happens when the Scientologists wake up and realize they’re the psychs they were so terrified of?

      • DodoTheLaser

        “Oh gosh, what happens when the Scientologists wake up
        and realize they’re the psychs they were so terrified of?”

        What a good prankster Ron was!

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        Four legs good!
        Two legs better!

        Four legs good!
        Two legs better!

        • richelieu jr

          Two Wheels Good

      • ze moo

        “Electronic Incidents” are what keep the dog inside the ‘invisible fence’.

      • richelieu jr

        That guy my have been ‘caught in an electronic incident’ (Hubbardian for ‘videotaped with a hooker?)

        But Cruise is ‘Caught in a Celluloid Jam”– He still thinks he’s in Top Gun, or whatever…

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      And, of course, it confirmed that Big Being Tom was able to nail where that protester was coming from with just a glance. It takes really Big Knowingness to do that. Or big something or other, anyway.

  • sketto

    Yet another reminder that it’s not Miscavige at the heart of this evil business; it is, and always will be, that liar Hubbard. Miscavige could drop dead, as we all wish he would, and all it would take is the next sociopath in the line of succession to grab the reins and keep the con going.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Gosh… that would be terrible. Wonder who would ever try to do a thing like that.

      • sketto

        I dunno. Perhaps a former high-ranking member who now daily preaches a watered-down version of Hubbard’s bullshit and blames all Scientology’s trouble on Miscavige.

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          Perish the thought!

    • richelieu jr

      The church makes sure there will only ever be sociopaths in line for succession, and if not, the job and ‘tech’ will turn them into one.

  • juliusstahl

    Thanks, Claire! It occurs to me that the SP doctrine is the foundation for the viciousness of David Miscavige’s “holy war of litigation” which you and Marc have born so admirably.

    The SP/PTS doctrine also lies at the heart of the death of Kyle Brennan in February 2007 and will be a key focus when his case is re-opened.

    Former Sea Org Flag Organization executive Lance Marcor has detailed how OSA fabricated two crucial Knowledge Reports submitted to the court and withheld many documents during discovery and falsely claimed privilege for others. Middle class wogs and SPs after all may be lied to.

    Re-opening Kyle’s case is important because the Miscavige name is directly involved. David Miscavige’s twin sister Denise Miscavige was the auditor of Kyle’s father, Tom Brennan, as well as his employer, confidante, and Scientology role-model.

    Kyle is a direct victim of the SP/PTS doctrine. In the summer of 2006 Tom Brennan became PTS when he discovered Kyle was in the care of a psychiatrist for an ordinary college student’s case of mild depression.

    The attempts of Tom, his NY staffer wife Wendy Jill Borden, and Denise Miscavige to handle Kyle over the next six months culminated in Kyle’s death as a direct result.

    I am really glad you are doing this series with Tony. the public needs to get a much more detailed knowledge about how the SP/PTS damages people and ultimately, society.

    • Bleuler

      And this is from the self-proclaimed authorities on mental health. Us evil psychs hardly have a perfect record in preventing suicides either, no person does. However going to a psychiatrist for either depression or suicidal ideation does not mean you can’t see a priest, rabbi, imam or faith-healer at the same time. I am fine with all above, and also if you want to stop seeing me you don’t have to route out, call my secretary and cancel.

    • Poison Ivy

      Are they really re-opening Kyle’s case? I do hope so. It smacks of murder or at least manslaughter.

  • Lurkness

    Step B2, “Make up the Damage” is also where they basically extort more money from you. Buy packages of basics, donate to IAS, etc. It is nothing more than modern Indulgences. Buy your way back in. Worst recent example was also requiring Carol to pay for the costs of OAS to search her down to bring her back after she blew in Florida the first time.

    • DodoTheLaser

      Because money is scientology’s ultimate “theta”.
      Like the saying goes – follow the money trail.
      Some religion.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      http://www.xenu-directory.net/practices/sp.html

      “Our policy is we don’t waste time on them. To cater to them is to betray 90% of the population. So we set them aside for another day. We get them offlines, out of orgs and to one side.” L. Ron Hubbard, from HCO PL 16 Oct 1967, SUPPRESSIVES & THE ADMINISTRATOR

      16. RELEASING AN SP DOES NOT MAKE A WORTHWHILE PERSON. IT ONLY
      MAKES A PERSON WHO CAN NOW LEARN TO GET ALONG IN LIFE.

      “A cleared cannibal is a cleared cannibal.”
      http://www.suppressiveperson.org/hate/pubs/policies/oec-1-1007.html

      Hubbard was adamant that No One could buy their way out of Ethics. Miscavige probably thought elRon was high when he said it. I would have to agree. Ethics was a money loser in scientology; it took up a great deal of staff and resources and time for all concerned and no money it. The money was in the PTS section, where customers always seemed to be running into SP’s and needing to pay to have their cooties removed, as if they were diseased. I have to give props to DM for this. He realized the potential profit in Terrorizing customers.

  • Truthiwant

    A picture says a thousand words.

    • VickiStubing

      Where’s all the vomit?

      • richelieu jr

        Inside the book..

        Oh sorry, my mistake: That’s the shit…

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      On top of that tank I see some useful papers that offer a valuable service to all mankind.

      And there’s a copy of one of LRH’s books, too.

    • Captain Howdy

      I have that book, and it’s so heavy, that if you flopped down on that toilet and it fell and hit you in the head, it would knock you unconscious, causing a constipation engram.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-ITKLbictI

      • stillgrace

        OK, that was one weird ride. Keyboards in the jungle!

  • VickiStubing

    Totally off topic, and I apologize, but I found this article very intriguing. Any time I see the phrase “galvanic skin response” my ears perk up. How fun that it is used by artists, since Co$ squashes the free spirit.

    http://mastersofmedia.hum.uva.nl/2010/05/19/map-as-a-performative-practice/

  • Rachel Heidi

    Sounds like Hubbard was jealous of those people who were responsible with their finances. Well, whatever he says one should probably do the opposite, so yay for my mortgage!

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Hubbard was obsessed with class. As soon as he managed to get some money he was off and running. The whole St. Hill idyll was like a stage play– complete with props and costumes. Then it was off to sea, and then the sad, slow decline in hiding.

  • Douglas D. Douglas

    SO…

    We will recognize a true PTS by their insatiable desire to ingratiate themselves with the middle class?

    Noted.

    • Is it just me or did Ron look totally creepy as a teenager? Kind of like Bugs Meany?

      • Couch_Incident

        Too much self-abuse.

      • media_lush

        I’m starting to see a fatter Putin brother

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        YES!

        In fact, the CoS could even have grounds to sue the publishers of Encyclopedia Brown. Case in point, the illustration below, from Encyclopedia Brown and the Case of the Credulous Acolytes. The image of Bugs Meany telling the enthralling story of how everyone spent a couple of decades as a lobster would seem to be stolen Tech from the RTC.

        Hope someone from OSA sees this and gets right on the case!

    • VickiStubing

      How did he have time to do anything? He was photographing himself all the time!

      • richelieu jr

        If iPhones had been invented when he was alive, I think the Internet would have crashed.

        • Poison Ivy

          The most dangerous place in the Scientology Org? Between LRH and a camera (or Miscavige and a camera, these days)

          • richelieu jr

            I bet!

      • I want to see the selfies he took while he was cross-dressing in Rhodesia!

        • Poison Ivy

          Bi-polar disorder. Fits of mania.

  • Espiando

    A To E is why I try to assist Dickie Downvote every Thursday morning. I know what a struggle it must be for him to try to meet what the International Justice Chief tries to demand of him to get back into good graces, so it’s only fair and helpful of me to give him as much entheta as humanly possible to downvote. Fortunately from my end, there’s a never-ending well of atrocities to tap into as “source” material.

    I wonder if Dickie ever comes here when he’s not prepared to downvote. It must have been incredibly confusing for him when we went after Marty hammer and tongs a few days ago. Or is there something in Hubtard’s verbal diarrhea that says something about SPs turning on SPs?

    The laying out of A To E is why I get ticked off when Scinos compare goldenrods to Catholic excommunication. Unless it was a blatant power or money grab, excommunication was, in general, properly used (historically speaking). Yes, it was oppressive and designed to promote homogeneity of doctrine, but the steps performed to restore good grace status had some spiritual significance. It also tended to be the last resort, declared only after numerous warnings. There is nothing spiritual about A To E, and it’s quite obvious that SP Declares are very often the first resort, despite the fact that Hubtard laid out, what was it, 35 steps before an SP Declare is issued? All of which goes to show that one of the many things Scientology is lacking these days is ex-Catholics.

    • stateofcircle

      Of course A through E is holy and spiritual, silly Espiando! You’re cleansing your bank account of all of that evil money!

    • richelieu jr

      Well, it was also used to depose leaders and seize property… Though I agree there was usually some stab at due process before hand..

  • Missionary Kid

    I’m wondering how many people have blown, been officially declared an SP and come back to do their A through E’s and stayed in. It sounds like the cost to make it back in is pretty high, and gives Co$ an infinite amount of chances to fuck one’s mind up even more.

    • BosonStark

      Also, how many departing Sea Org members pay their Freeloader Debt? The ones who want to stay on as public members do.

      • Missionary Kid

        I’ll bet that number is diminishing rapidly. I’m thinking they would probably rather become Indies.

        • aquaclara

          It must be extremely hard for people who have been in a long time to just break it off cold turkey and decide to leave.
          Look at Carol’s interview – how do you get out of that mindset that you lived in for so long?
          I mean, she raised her children in a motel room, for heaven’s sake. I guess that’s where I have some sympathy for the Indies.

          • Missionary Kid

            I look at the indies as being a half-way stop. I don’t know if they have a disconnection policy or not (I’m assuming they don’t)

            We appear odd, I’m sure, to the Indies, especially since when they were in, encounters with people who questioned their beliefs were rare because they were avoided, under penalty of a sec check.

      • stateofcircle

        And how many of them can afford to redo their training? Are they allowed back in the SO at that point to redo it?

    • aquaclara

      That’s a good question. I am curious, too, to know that of those who leave, how many escape vs how many route out. How do people escape, anyway? It has to be pretty hard to pull and “Marc and Claire” now….

      The number at Int Base is DROPPING LIKE A ROCK! Much faster than that planet clearing project, eh?

      • Missionary Kid

        The question becomes, “When is the point going to be reached when large facilities can’t be maintained?”

        The escapees are sea org members. I’m wondering how many of the rest of the members simply quit taking phone calls.

  • V4Vacation

    Off-topic. Vice magazine takes a swipe at Clark Carr and Scilon “comedy group” Laughworks. Yikes. http://www.vice.com/read/scientologists-make-terrible-stand-up-comedians

    • Couch_Incident

      Really liked the following quote as it sums up the true believers’ act in general, not just that of the Scilon comedians: “There’s just nothing human inside to feast on. Not a morsel of
      self-doubt, no flickering pilot light of human engagement. They load the
      program. They execute the program. Program executed.”

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      The comment thread that follows is great!

    • Artoo45

      This is why the church has always been such a delicious target for mockery and why it’s so effective in educating unsuspecting wogs. Total humorlessness. No irony. No sarcasm. No self deprecation. Just load program. Execute program. The church’s heavy handed, tone-deaf responses to humor speak volumes about the organization as a whole (or as a hole . . . or a-hole). And I know it’s not the individual members themselves. The level of humor shown here by ex members is utterly enthetastic. It’s as though in joining the church, the gene involved with the expression of irony is removed or, dare I say . . . supppressed. Come on out, the world is funny.

      • Poison Ivy

        Hence “After Earth.”

  • jensting

    One happy thought: if the steps taken to get back in the good graces of the criminal organisation known as the “church” of $cientology is thoroughly documented in the “PC” and “ethics” folders that makes it a treasure trove of blackmail material. As well as an embarassment if the victim leaves and asks for their file to be returned.

    Oh dear.

    Maybe tha’s why the Co$ is so keen on keeping the files confidential in the Laura DeCrescenzo lawsuit… Maybe it’s a tad embarassing for the Co$ to be found out ordering its members to do an “amends project”

    Of course, confidentiality was not so important when David “he is NOT insane!” was the subject of declarations by ex-members, in which case various files were pillaged to obtain embarassing details which were then aggressively thrust at the press. http://www.tampabay.com/news/scientologys-response-to-church-defectors-total-lies/1012138

  • LRH’s rant there sounds like a toddler having a temper tantrum, especially the anti-cop part. Aw, did someone not let poor widdle Ronny do exactly what he wanted to do?

  • villagedianne

    So Hubbard hated the Commies. But he also hated the Bourgeoisie

    • Spackle Motion

      LRH was a bourgeoisie. He was a fake and criminal one, but he was bourgie.

      • Anonymookme

        The more I read his rantings, the more apparent it becomes to me that his obsession with attempted abortions by pregnant women was in reaction to him prob hearing his mother state that she should have aborted him, after she caught him whacking willie for the umpteenth time, or in reaction to one of his many failures. His disdain for anything other than the grand and the overblown is from him feeling deprived as a kid and feeling like he was on the outside looking in. Wanting to be one of the elite, but just being a regular old middle class schlep.
        His misogyny a product of striking out with women repeatedly. He was not an attractive man. No matter what costume he put on, his pretend naval uniform, his bon vivant, ascot adorned costume, he was still an ugly man, inside and out. His pretentions would have been mocked & made fun of by any normal person.
        His hatred for psychologists, psychiatrists, as absolute fear of them and the field day they would have with him on the couch.
        He was stark raving mad. But probably nothing that couldn’t have been managed by a good therapist and some psych meds. Instead, he created a buffoonish religion, hurt a lot of people, made fools out of many more and died alone, miserable and drug addled.
        But he’s the almighty to the indies and other sciloons.
        It just boggles the mind.

        • stateofcircle

          I really don’t understand where his extreme misogyny and obsession with abortions came from. From reading various biographies and accounts of his childhood, he was surrounded by adoring extended family, most of them women. I got no impression whatsoever that is parents didn’t want him, so I’m pretty sure there was no creative use of a coat hanger. His father, being in the navy, may not have been around all the time, but his aunts doted on him, his maternal grandparents loved him. His parents took him to places like China. He lived on a farm in Montana with pretty much all of the maternal side of his family, every curiosity indulged by them. By all accounts, he not only had a good childhood, but a great one, charmed even. Perhaps it was so great and charmed that his proclivity for fantastical story telling led him to dream up horrible things that were the opposite of his own life. Who knows.

          Perhaps this obsession with abortion came from his fear of commitment, thinking up ways to get out of the ultimate commitment of having a child. It has been written that Polly had miscarriages and/or abortions, as did Sara. His marriage to Polly, while perhaps boring, didn’t sound bad; in fact, she seemed like a sweet lady who put up with a lot of his shit, including physical abuse, infidelity and long stretches of raising their son on her own. Perhaps he resented her and their son so much, and the fact that, as a father, one has to provide physically, emotionally and financially for them which did not fit into his life and dreams of being a successful world-travelling writer-explorer with boatloads of chicks and nothing to tie him down. And because of his failure as a father (and husband….three times), he can’t possibly blame himself for the way things turned out – his perceived failure of Nibs and Quentin, par example – so numerous attempted abortions it is. But that doesn’t seem to be able to fully explain it to me. It explains body thetans pretty well I think, as it’s not his fault shit goes badly as the ultimate OT, it’s the alien mosquitos, but the abortion thing really gets me. And he does say, however sparingly, that prenatal engrams can also be from daddy saying horrible things to mommy or beating her, so the blame isn’t solely on the woman, albeit most of it is. Or he simply really hates women and believes they’re evil, and projects his own thoughts and desires onto them. Who knows.

          It would have been absolutely fascinating to have had his brain studied and extensive psychiatric analysis of where all of his crazy ideas came from, and how much of it he actually believed.

          • Missionary Kid

            One thing that could have been going on with the young LRH is that while he was surrounded by loving relatives, his father was often away, and his mother left to join his father, and finally, he traveled to join them.

            There is often a feeling of abandonment on the part of children who have their parents leave them in the hands of relatives. I never had it, but I’ve seen it with other MKs, who, for safety or political turmoil reasons, were sent or left at home while their parents were out in the mission field. Some kids had abandonment issues, and others thrived while they were away from their parents. I’ve never been able to detect a pattern.

            As a male child, being raised by an all-female household in the early part of the century could have been really stultifying. I just don’t know how it was for him, or what his feeling was about it because he lied so much.

          • Poison Ivy

            From what I have been told by expert psych types, there are two basic ways to build a narcissist, that are on opposite ends of the spectrum: 1) By emotional neglect or intermittent neglect and 2) By extreme coddling and total lack of discipline; allowing the child to run the household. I imagine LRG was a product of #2, having been coddled and fussed over by his aunts, but when he hit the real world as a young man, the ugly truth that he was not the family God hit him like a ton of bricks. Thus igniting his narcissistic rage that would flare up for the rest of his life, always triggered when someone challenged his superiority.

            In his Affirmations he talks about “You mother was wrong about you” etc; I’m thinking the charming little boy may have grown into a not so charming (and compulsively masturbating) teen and he probably got a lot of shit about it from his now worried, formerly doting mom, which enraged him toward her.

            This is me practicing analysis without a license again.

            • stateofcircle

              That’s a great point. And I forgot about that part in his affirmations. The obsession with masturbation in the church can probably be explained as him projecting his insecurities onto others, in the most extreme possible way. Perhaps his contempt for the way his mother disciplined him as a teenager – which in my opinion is no different than any mother disciplining their teenagers – led him into some seriously twisted thoughts that were meant to convince himself that his mother was evil. So, since she scolded him for J-ing O, probably amongst other things, the young Blobturd believed more and more that she was diabolical bitch and concocted fantasies to explain why she was so evil as to do anything but praise him, thus she is capable of doing other horrible things to him like try to murder him in her womb. Of course he can do no wrong, so it’s her fault. Can’t figure out why you need to JO? Why, daddy’s dong bumped him in his fetal little hand! He can’t help it! Why does momma yell at you for it? Because she tried to kill you 37 times before you were born and resents you for being alive! Thanks, PI! You’ve opened the door to a whole new level of trying to analyze His Craziness 🙂

            • Poison Ivy

              I have to admit, I find His Craziness’s madness fascinating. And scary.

            • stateofcircle

              Me too, trying to figure out and analyze his motives and intentions is incredibly fascinating. Hence our hobby 🙂

          • Anonymookme

            If any of the stories of his childhood came from him, I’d take that withe same grain of salt as I do the stories about his glorious military career, his phony “adventures”, his academic accomplishments, etc.

            • stateofcircle

              No, the stories we’re referring to are from biographers such as Atack and Corydon, so I consider them to be at least somewhat accurate. I would believe the opposite of whatever Hublard said.

        • There are a lot of things about the mind that aren’t necessarily explicable by what happens in your life. Nurture matters — but nature also matters, and quite a bit more than a lot of people are willing to admit. People used to blame mothers for “creating” schizophrenics, and we know now that is completely untrue: schizophrenia is a genetic disorder. Even leaving out mental illness, different people are born with different temperaments and needs. I’ve been a night owl literally since I was born, for instance.

          With personality disorders, there’s a murky area. People are still saying they are “created”, but I think we’re going to discover that there’s actually a large genetic component there. For the ones we keep saying are disorders, anyway. Narcissism likely is. But many are still thoroughly entrenched in 1950s Freudian thinking, like a woman being “histrionic” because she likes sex with different men.

  • 0tessa

    In my opinion there is only one type of SP: Scientology itself, and one type of PTS’ness: victims of Scientology.

    • Xique

      Precisely

  • stateofcircle

    How many IJC’s are there in Sciloontology? Just one for the whole lot of them or one for every region or country?

    And I wonder if it is a coveted or hated post… would the IJC’s ass be on the line a lot for possibly allowing people back in who the powers that be don’t like? Is there a of turnover? I’m guessing there’s a lot of RTC oversight, so my guess would be it’s a nightmare position…except for a maybe the kind of person who enjoys playing with people and controlling their lives.

  • sugarplumfairy

    Lol.. A doc just told me joke..

    How many scientologists does it take to change a light bulb? Just one, but it will cost you $300,000..

    • DodoTheLaser

      There are at least 6 more who will have to sign a routing from.

  • Xique

    “Don’t go PTS to the middle class, quit college and join staff, that’ll be the best for you and your dynamics”. My parents nearly had strokes when I did just that. I was 19, a sophomore in college,with a boyfriend who’d already signed a 5 yr contract for the C o S.
    These days I’m proud to call myself middle class . Of course that’s not easy to say without that college degree I left behind.

    • aquaclara

      Well, it’s understandable when we think about how much influence a boyfriend has on a 19 year old. Many of us might have done the same thing then for a cute boyfriend. Especially when there was no information out about how bad things were. I see exactly how much my son of that age absorbs from his friends and girlfriends versus us. At this point, he is more likely to become a Bigfoot tracker than a cultie, thankfully.

      PS. my mom went to college when she was in her 50’s. It’s never too late. And I am so proud of her!

      PPS. I’m glad you’re out. Thanks – sharing your story IS so good.

      • Xique

        Thank you aquaclara

        • aquaclara

          You’re welcome! And keep posting!!

  • scnethics

    That “PTS to the middle class” bit is used to disparage any activity that doesn’t directly support planetary clearing. In scientology, there are only three legitimate roles: Celebrity, Wealthy Donor or Staff Member. Most scientologists are not in one of these roles, and most of them aspire to be Wealthy Donors, with a healthy subset want to be Celebrities. Only if you are in one of these roles is it “OK” for you to spend a lot of money on houses, vacations, cars, etc. and to spend a lot of time with your children. To not be a Wealthy Donor or a Celebrity and to want these things is to be “PTS to the middle class”.

    • richelieu jr

      True, although those things are off limits to those in the Staff Members role as well (perhaps especially…)

  • mook

    Can anybody confirm if Channing Tatum or his wife are culties? These statements are pretty suspicious
    http://m.usmag.com/?redirurl=/celebrity-moms/news/channing-tatum-ill-never-medicate-my-child-for-learning-disabilities-201346

  • Bella Legosi

    Hey guys! Finally got some days off! Been by Idle mOrg (my work entrance is on SW Oak and Naito Parkway). The place has been looking pretty sparse. It is a large building and with the few people in it looks really dead inside. I have noticed that when it is closed the second floor is lit up, Thursday the entire building was lit up like Christmas (stat day). I went to upload the pics on here directly, but wouldn’t you know it? My camera is just too damn HD for Disqus to handle! So here is my photobucket link to them.

    They were also having a “Open House” event the day of the Starlight Parade. Since I was stuck in a trailer getting children high on cotton candy, I wan’t able to make it up there on a break to see how many people they were able to net in. But I still got a week left down there and will try for better shots.

    Talking to the street kids (they post up in front of the Silverodo to play music for money) tell me that Co$ really doesn’t give a shit about the homeless in that area. They don’t spare any change or smokes, and are seen as uppity, stuck up assholes. That is when I remind them that scientologists are the most ethical people on the planet! That get’s me the reaction of either a laugh or one of them spitting! It seems their security is tight as the street kids have been escorted off the property for loitering on a couple of occasions. They tell me that not many people go in and the ones who do look like staff.

    [IMG]http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/a523/BellaLegosi/CoS%20PDX/Picture014.jpg[/IMG][/URL]

    • Bella Legosi

      On a side note Rose Fest has an exotic animal exhibit with a tiger, lion, lynx, bobcat, baby bear, serval, wallaby, and baby tiger (that you can pet and love for 10min for $30). Bella’s cat whispering skills also apply to big cats! I got the female lion to squint and playfully roll around while I talked to her, making the keeper impressed with my skills. I have warned them all that I do intend on stealing the bobcat and lynx should I ever get the chance! I am putting the pics of these sweet animals up on the bucket too if any are interested!

      You can’t hug every cat……but goddamn it you can try!

      • richelieu jr

        Well while you were off playing with your pussies, some of us were trying to clear the planet!

        • Bella Legosi

          See and that is why I am a Jedi Wizard I can play with pussies AND clear the planet of bad science fiction cults!

          How many co workers and public does Bella work with all day?

          😀

          • Captain Howdy

            You must be a jedi wizard to have different AV’s showing up on the same page. I’m sure you’re aware that Christian Bale said he modeled his Bateman after Tom Cruise.

            • Bella Legosi

              No, I did not know that about Christian. That’s ok, American Psycho is one of my top favs of all time (I watch it monthly to balance myself)

              As for the AVs I decided to retire the Castiel until Supernatural’s return in Sept or Nov. Then I used a pic of myself for that short period until I found the one of Christian. I love it. Nothing more sexy then a hot, psychotic, serial killer, yuppie, covered in blood while listening to “It’s Hip to Be Square”

              😀

              I got interesting and weird tasts Captain. It is those tastes that have led me to believe I should stay single for the time being, unless Misha or Till knock on my door to have my babies of course!

              ***The Chris Nolan Batman movies were damn good, but Christian Bale is prolly the worst Batman ever……well second to Cloony IMO so hearing that he modeled his Batman after TC really isn’t surprising. They are both sub standard actor pretty boys with a penchant for being dick head drama queens.

            • Captain Howdy

              No Bella, he modeled Patrick Bateman after Tom Cruise after he saw the TC scn video.

              http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/22/christian-bales-american_n_329874.html

            • Bella Legosi

              Thank you for the link, Sir!

              lol Friendliness, but nothing behind the eyes…..I love it.

      • Captain Howdy

        Bella, where’s the animal pics?

        • Bella Legosi
          • Captain Howdy

            Thanks. They had a black panther? Where’s the bear? Beautiful, but sad to see them caged like that.

            EDIT: See if you can get Gwen to pose with the tiger.

            • Bella Legosi

              The bear and wallaby are always crowded with people taking pictures. The bear is very playful and very popular. It is sad to see them caged like that, but they do have awesome caregivers. The lion and panther are on loan from Bandon (southern coast of Oregon) Safari reserve, but the others are straight rescue on a 200 acre facility. They display them at the Fest every year for donations and raise awareness. Many of them are from people who bought them as pets.

              The tiger loves his keeper. On my lunch I watched the keeper go to the cage and that tiger followed him and plumped down to get a neck rub. He loved it. I plan on getting more pics when I go back Thursday. This is usually where I spend my lunch breaks!

            • Captain Howdy

              I’m familiar with these road petting shows.

              “Louis Theroux – America’s Most Dangerous Pets”

              http://watchdocumentary.org/watch/louis-theroux-americas-most-dangerous-pets-video_da935051f.html

            • DodoTheLaser

              Thanks, Cap. Very interesting documentary.

    • aquaclara

      Thanks, Bella!! Love the pics and the inside scoop from the street kids.

      • Bella Legosi

        They are the best resource as to the actual foot traffic in and out of there.

  • Jefferson Hawkins

    This is a great description of SP from Claire. The label “Suppressive Person” has ALWAYS been a political tool, not a clinical one. It is used to isolate and shun anyone who challenges authority. Because Hubbard published a list of supposed “Characteristics of an SP,” Scientologists pretend that this is a sort of clinical diagnosis. Yet when a person is declared SP, it is NEVER based on a cool, calm analysis of those factors. It is based solely on whether or not the person challenged or questioned Scientology, LRH or the “prominent names of Scientology.” It’s a control mechanism, pure and simple. And the “A to E steps” have one purpose – to put the person back under the thumb of Scientology, compliant and submissive.

    And yes, those foolish enough to “do their A to E” find that their “amends project” is quite often spying on and harassing ex-Scientologists who are critical of Scientology, at the direction of OSA.

    The best response I ever heard to the question “are you doing your A to E?” was “No, I’m doing my F to U.”

    • Truthiwant

      When some of us write about our experiences in Scientology, it is difficult to convey to
      the reader what we were experiencing at the time that the event was actually
      happening and what we feel about it now. In other words, the difference between believing in
      Scientology and totally rejecting Scientology.

      I know of no other subject that an individual has believed in and then has changed his
      opinion about that subject so completely that it sounds to the reader that we are talking
      about a completely different subject. Such is the power that Scientology has on the human
      mind.

      To some people it must sound very strange that a person can be involved with the
      Organization of Scientology for so long and spend outrageous sums of money and
      then completely change their mind about the subject.

      Personally, this is the largest unanswered question of my life; How could I possibly have
      fallen for such a deception and fraud?

      I am saying all this because it must sound insane to most people for somebody to actually
      do the steps A to E and in fact it is a situation of one being a completely paranoid individual.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        George Orwell’s “1984” explains the How quite accurately. Hubbard stole most of his ideas and concepts. What, you don’t think he drooled over every page of Orwell? Remember, Winston Smith was an Intellectual. Read up on how He was broken.

        Most who enter the gates of Scientology World just have one or two weaknesses thrown in with a few passions and one solid Achilles heel for good measure. Scientologists will needle and rub every one of your sore points, your ruins, until they are raw. They will find a way. There is Always a way. SP steps A-E is just one from a cast of thousands.

        You don’t have to start out criminally insane to enter Scientology Land, but it helps. You Will end up criminally insane if you ride on the machine too long.

        • sketto

          Ditto. I’ve often wondered if, after reading “1984”, rather than breathing a huge, cathartic sigh of relief that it wasn’t real as most of us sane readers do, Hubbard instead muttered, “Hm, I wonder if we could make that work.”

          • Truthiwant

            I’m sure he thought that.
            I bet “1984” was on Hubbard’s ‘I like most’ book list.

          • Poison Ivy

            Brilliant comment SKetto.

        • Truthiwant

          Scientology and “1984” go hand in glove.
          I must read it again. It’s such a great book and probably with my experience now of Hubbard it would mean something different to me now than when I last read it.
          That’s certainly on the “To do” list!

        • DodoTheLaser

          “Scientology is Hubbard’s attempt to self diagnose and treat his mental
          illness and criminal tendencies. He failed. And if Steve Pfauth’s
          statement is true, at the end of his life, Hubbard realized he had
          failed. It may very well have been his most lucid moment. It was
          definitely his most honest.”

          Wow. Thought I’ll just re-post it. Thank you.

        • Lady Squash

          Dear TheHole,
          Scientology is very 1984, almost to the letter. But I wonder if Scientology isn’t 1984 plus Black Magic. I know I certainly feel like I was hypnotized. The sessions were trance like and the environment planted ideas about LRH’s greatness and his infallibility. It feels like an evil enchantment.

      • Zana

        It has a little bit of Truth in it. Just a taste. And we long to know the Truth about our lives so intensely that just that small taste will keep us hooked. Like having an orgasm. Even after the good stuff is all over we still keep coming back to an abusive relationship thinking that there’s magic there. Our longing for God, Truth, Enlightenment… whatever you want to call it… is admirable. Let’s not beat ourselves up for it.

        Let’s just look and discover the Truth in front of us. Live the mystery and celebrate. Love a lot. At least we know we don’t want someone telling us how to feel and live any longer. Whew!

    • richelieu jr

      Well, you can also pay your amends by blowing up a psychologist office, planting drugs in her car, or spreading untrue rumours about him…

    • Xique

      ” No I’m doing my F to U”, hilarious !!Thanks Jeff

    • Lady Squash

      Jeff, love, love, love this: “The best response I ever heard to the question “are you doing your A to E?” was “No, I’m doing my F to U.” Priceless. Another favorite quote: Scientology–clearing the planet one checkbook at a time.

  • Michael Leonard Tilse

    A to E story: Way back in 1976, starting in February, I became a staff member at San Francisco Foundation Org. I had been ‘recovered’ after not wanting to continue with scientology. I was given the job of “ARC Break Reg” which was the registrar that contacted and handled ‘off lines’ scientologists and got them back on the bridge.

    It’s funny, the guy who got me back in was the former guy in that job. I replaced him so he could something, anything, else.

    “ARC Break” in scientology lingo means some fault in affinity, reality or communication. Hubbards Idea of why we feel close to someone or something or want nothing to do with it. The theory was that people who left scientology had some sort of ARC Break. This is contrary to the PTS/SP course doctrine that “blows” or wanting to leave are caused by a person who leaves having committed bad acts, called “overts”.

    I recall that, I think it was Bill Franks, said that LRH had secretly communicated to him that the REAL reason for ‘blows’ was ARC Breaks, not overts. And letting this become known would ruin his control over scientology.

    I never put together that these two things didn’t agree: Blows are caused by overts and fixing ARC breaks gets them back. Huh?

    So the ARCX reg, me, has to contact these people who no longer have affinity for scientology and try to get them back into the org an on lines. I was a miserable failure. For one, the other half of the team, the ARCX auditor was non-existent. The auditor was supposed to take the people I conned into coming back, into session and ‘fix’ their “ARC Break” with scientology. So even though I got people in, they just walked right back out. Even the ones I did get a student or a staff auditor to do the session on, also never came back. I went months without any successful recoveries and very few ‘contacts’.

    Bridget Kelleher, the executive director of the foundation org would just lay into me during staff meetings for not getting any stats. They also didn’t have anyone else to do the job.

    Eventually, I got so depressed that I myself couldn’t see any point in it, there was no way to just say I quit, and not have people gang up on me. So one day I walked out and hitch-hiked to northern california to see my family.

    Boy that caused an uproar. After about 3 days, I came back to “route out”, but of course they “expelled” me and declared suppressive.

    I still wanted to be a scientologist, so I started the A-E steps. The first couple are really easy, you just declare your mistakes, etc. Then you start on ethics conditions, starting at confusion and working your way up. I got up to the part of the doubt formula where you ‘make up the damage done’ and started coming into the org every day and handling the printing of mimeo issues. I knew printing and that was pretty easy. So I cleaned up the area, used the mimeograph machine to print new issues coming in from Hubbard and scientology using the different colors, filing and all that. San Francisco had lost their mimeo guy some time before so I actually held that post even though I was expelled and declared. Funny. I had been doing that for about 6 months as “amends”, longer than when I was on staff, and had just gotten approval from ethics on my doubt formula being signed by the majority of the staff members.

    So, Bob Harvey and, I think, Ruthie Weisberg came through on a Sea Org recruiting tour late February of 1977. Bob gave a over the top recruiting pitch and I was interested. Just one little problem, I hadn’t completed my A-E. Well, Bob said it wasn’t a problem! I had gotten up to non-existence, so I was OK, come join the Sea Org! He convinced me.

    It was on the weekend, so I couldn’t call my boss at the printing company I was working at. I wrote a letter and dropped it through the mail slot, threw out a bunch of stuff, quit my apartment, left some stuff with another scientologist and was in the car with Bob and Ruthie heading to Los Angeles Monday morning. It was all very sudden and exciting.

    So, I got to ASHO which was on Temple Street and tried to route into the Sea Org. One little problem, I was still declared supressive and expelled. They let me hang out because I was a potential “stat” while the MAA burned up the telex lines to SFO to get it ‘handled’.

    I spent a lot of time cleaning windows with newspapers and helping mail the ‘Auditor’ magazine, cleaning bathrooms and sweeping floors. I hated that big bank of windows in front. Floor to ceiling, about 30 feet wide plate glass. Took forever to clean using the Sea Org “Tech” of wiping them with water an newspapers ’till they shined.

    Finally, the L. Ron Hubbard Communicator at San Francisco, Sue, canceled the declare and expulsion so it didn’t exist any more. Yay! (sarcasm) So I got signed welcomed to the Sea Org and routed over to the newly purchased Cedars of Lebanon Hospital, three days after the other new recruits had moved in, and start renovating it as part of my ‘Estates Project Force’ introduction to the Sea Org, along with the Sea Org basic studies program.

    So that’s my experience with A-E. The reality is that if they want a warm body, or if you have money, the restrictions and procedures, even A-E and expulsion, don’t really apply. Of course if you get targeted again for not being with the program, you are blamed for not ‘properly’ applying policy and doing the ‘full program’.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Double teamed by Harvey and Ruthie? You didn’t stand a chance. Bob was a looming bully and Ruthie was the sweet enabling victim. She was one of the few regges that everyone liked because she was a true believer. She was very caring, and very enabling. Ruthie never married anyone but bullies and there was a long parade, all eventually declared, but only after they got caught for whatever financial fraud con they had going on at the time. Caught at the wrong time by the wrong people. Story of her son is tragic, don’t know where he ended up. And Ruthie died among the too young to die list, cancer from a life of unthinkable stress and 3 packs of cigarettes a day.

      Lol, I now hire cleaning services companies to clean our windows Because of just those windows in the front lobby as well as the wall of windows the middle court yard. Most of us were not in Maintenance; we did it as all hands on deck, always when we were near exhaustion, hungry, emotional wrung out. Of course, I also keep 6 months supply of toilet paper on hand at any moment. To think that all the torture and oppression, the SP/PTS garbage, all of it was for only one reason: keep the pressure on the mental leash around the minds of his slaves, and the profit lease on the bank vaults of hiscustomers, all of it for money.

      All this madness just so Hubbard could sit on top of his cash pile and pop pills while counting his llamas and keeping a lookout for the cops and doctors and lawyers, oh my. But we’re supposed to think good thoughts about Hubbard or we’ll be wished away into the cornfield of haters. So, okay, Hubbard had workable window washing tech.

      • Michael Leonard Tilse

        Wow, so you knew those two also! Seems we intersected quite a bit. Bob was a bully I agree. So many of the “Best” Sea Org execs were bullies. You do the “Welcome to the Sea Org tapes” and if you “get it” you disconnect the internal compassion you would otherwise have for others and without that governor, abuse is assured.

        The EPF was designed to filter out staff to see who would make the best slave drivers, I think.

        Joanie Goodman who got pulled into the Sea Org with the OP Z project. (Very hush-hush, was to create “Personal Enhancement Training” to spread Hubbard’s virus and compete with EST) was pretty much a slave driver on the EPF, headed up the Vents crew, where these new Sea Org members would crawl through the asbestos laden ceiling spaces, cutting holes in the ducting to clean them by hand and removing all the fiberglass wrapping around the vents. She is now Joanie L. with ASI. One of the sharks.

        It really does filter out the sociopaths for the top positions.

        I don’t really consider Hubbard’s “newspaper window cleaning tech” workable. It works in the sense that if you don’t have soap and water for washing dishes on a campout, scrubbing with sand “works”.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          heh. See, this is how splinter groups start. My grandmother used vinegar and water newspapers to clean windows. Hubbard probably stole it from her. It works. You are doing it wrong, squirrely, Michael! hah

          I found out later that everyone thought I would bail before finishing EPF. But we had a very down to earth, funny guy running it and the small group I was in had many artists types, we all had a rough sense of humour, and we made a game of it all. Those were the same people who left when I did later on.

          Sharks I once knew in scientology….sounds like a novella, good bedtime read! It chills me to realize those I knew so far back are still believers. Then again, it’s just more evidence of how messed up I was, PTSD in the extreme. Keeping busy, doing physical work (for a very short time mind you and believe it or not, I think we actually got 8 hrs sleep) was therapeutic for me at the time, as well as the fun company.

          And I always wondered what Operation Z was about when I heard of it later on. Well hell, Michael, some people only have wild, drunken college party tales to tell their grandkids. We have Steven King tales far too scary to dump on the little ones. Our stories scare even grown ups, in the daylight. lol

  • Bella Legosi

    Tis a bit late but thank you Eric for the kitty link. That really did bring my spirits up! This sir, is for you!

    • stillgrace

      The engineer in me counts 9 1/2 Oreo cookies. Where’s the missing half-cookie?

      • aquaclara

        I ate it!

      • Bella Legosi

        🙁

        I ate the others

        >D

        • stillgrace

          So you actually orchestrated the photo? Very clever!

          • Bella Legosi

            I have never met an Oreo I didn’t love!

      • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

        HCOB PL 623 “Oreos and the Eating Of” prohibits eating Oreos into whimsical patterns.

        We in the Church of Scientology are opposed to all manifestations of fun or amusement. Please actively refrain from fun or whimsy while on post and while off duty.

  • Douglas D. Douglas

    I thought that address for the “new” Beverly Hills Mission seemed familiar. As noted in the article, it is the site of the old Santa Monica Mission. That location had a splashy opening in 2006:
    http://www.angrygaypope.com/santa_monica_mission_opening.htm

    …then went belly-up in 2010:
    https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/santa-monica-mission-closes-its-doors.62957/

    The Google Earth street view shows how it looked in January of 2011. Under the “For Lease” sign you can see that the name “Santa Monica” once appeared where they now have placed “Beverly Hills.”

    Hope springs eternal…

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Like the Beverly Hills crowd would set foot anywhere in Santa Monica except the beachfronts. lol

      • richelieu jr

        Are you kidding, they head up north to Malibu!

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          You’re right. They’d order in.

    • Observer

      Hope, or increasingly desperate delusion?

  • richelieu jr

    “Twiddle Class PMS-ness” is indeed a big problem with $cientology, as is “Piddle Class SP-essMess”

    A-E’s; SPs, CoB, YSCOHBs, MEST, PTS, BS, BS, BS!

    It must be like living in a bowl of alphabet soup in that cult.

    • Missionary Kid

      You’re catching on.

  • richelieu jr

    It would be more like Opening the Manhattan/Upper East Side mission in Queens, if you ask me.

    Whatever_ Remember their big “Harlem” bash that was Downtown a few months back? I think the theme was “$cientology: Fear of Black Zip Code”…

  • richelieu jr

    From Santa Monica Mission to Beverly Hills Mission!

    It’s like The Beverly Hillbillies, only with religious-themed office space.

    There really are ‘Ideal Orgs’! Even the buildings are moving up the Bridge!

    (Once the Bridge itself starts moving up, hold on, because you’re gonna have to redo all your training. Sorry! Our Bad= Your Cost.. What’s a few thousands of dollars between friends, right?)

    • Sherbet

      I guess missions close when nobody donates enough to buy the doorknobs. The paying customers can’t get in.

    • N. Graham

      Come and listen to a story about an SP named Jed

      So downstat he couldn’t get it through his head

      That one day he’s going to want to be Clear-

      Because the Judgment Day is getting near

      (Hell you know, very non-theta)

      Next thing you know Jed’s gone up to the mission

      Jethro and Granny have given their permission

      For Jed to go to the org for his stress test-

      The rest of you exes can all guess all the rest.

      Brainwashing, Disconnection…

      • Sherbet

        That is priceless, N!!

        • N. Graham

          Thank you Sherbert!

  • Sherbet

    A =
    B = Bullsh**
    C = Cult
    D = Davey
    E =

    Sorry; I’m not very clever today.

    • Observer

      A = Abase yourself

    • N. Graham

      A-Assists by Asshole Administrators
      B-Bullshit reasoning
      C-Cash, lots of
      D-Don’t think
      E-Experience E-meter Entheta

      • Sherbet

        You win, N. Graham!

        • N. Graham

          My mother will be so proud!

    • richelieu jr

      A is for ASHO, as in.. Get me my money you fucking ASHO! I’ll bust you down to the hole. YSCOHB, you know that? SAY IT!

      • sugarplumfairy

        Wow.. You’d be good at this..

      • Sherbet

        Are you sure English isn’t your first language, Your Eminence?

        • John P.

          As I pointed out the other day, one should always be suspicious when a Frenchman tries to tell you “Je suis une grenouille simple qui ne comprend pas la nature complexe de la langue anglaise très bien.” It’s like a new guy sitting down at the poker table saying, “I don’t play much, but it’s just a friendly game, right?” Hang on to your wallets!

        • richelieu jr

          I learned English and French at about the same time, I think…
          I only get confused or worry about it because I don’t used it very much and haven’t ` ever since I came back to France to live for good (or for evil!) about 20 years ago…
          Thanks for the compliment, though! I try and keep it up-to-date!

    • sugarplumfairy

      E = Evil, baby..

    • 0tessa

      And A must be Anti-social.

  • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

    That we in RTC allow errant Scientologists to do A-E to undo their SP Declare shows how much we truly care.

    For example, COB RTC David Miscavige just declared Will and Jaden Smith SP’s for damaging the Church of Scientology’s repute and standing by making an overt product called After Earth.

    Will and Jaden must make up the damage they have done to the group by reporting to The Freewinds with two very large cashiers checks made out to the IAS. Then they must complete A-E and also paint the ship.

    Their only contact is the IJC. None of you people may speak to them.

    http://i1284.photobucket.com/albums/a563/OTVIIIisGrrr8/WS11_zps960f60f9.jpg

    • Sherbet

      If the checks are large enough, do they get to skip the painting part?

      • richelieu jr

        NO!

        Now I want you to make me a clay sculpture of a little foolish person asking a stupid question because of his crimes. It wouldn’t hurt if it said ‘Sherbet’ somewhere on it…

        • Sherbet

          I’m so sorry! (It says “Sherbet” in a place you can’t see.)http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://fc02.deviantart.net/fs19/f/2007/227/6/e/Softspot_clay_sculpture_by_chetzar.jpg&imgrefurl=http://chetzar.deviantart.com/art/Softspot-clay-sculpture-62393863&h=472&w=570&sz=70&tbnid=eU6-001EEAeb3M:&tbnh=92&tbnw=111&zoom=1&usg=__HFFxYP_VtY0PNmkLvrMjMcsbtoU=&docid=wpYmSDGW5QoxQM&sa=X&ei=dkGuUbWtPLHE4APRx4H4CQ&ved=0CDwQ9QEwAw&dur=318

      • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

        No.

        MEST work is an essential part of A-E as is donating large sums of money.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Paint the ship… or see to it that it gets painted?

      • RMycroft

        If no one sees the ship getting painted, did it really happen?

        • stateofcircle

          If no one goes to an ideal org, do they really exist?

      • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

        These criminals must paint the ship.

    • ze moo
      • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

        Australia is a wholly Suppressive continent populated by criminals who ride kangaroos, eat sheep whole, and drink very strong beer.

        • Bella Legosi

          “Drinking American beer is like having sex in a canoe……It’s fucking close to water!” Monty Python

          • Captain Howdy

            After doing some research recently I discovered that on the average american beer has a higher alcohol content than english or german beers and I’m guessing that applies to aussie beer also.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Was this a peer reviewed study, Cap’n, or carried out scientology style?

              It makes sense to me since I agree american beer is like canoe water. Get drunk on the first beer and you don’t notice?

            • Captain Howdy

              It’s a fact and google is your friend.

              I pity the fool who tries to prove me wrong on this.

            • Poison Ivy

              Certainly not Guiness!

            • ze moo

              Guiness is about 4.5-4% alcohol. Most american beers are about 5-5.5%. A good ‘barleywine’ beer can be 10-12% alcohol.

            • aquaclara

              And Florida is known for its 3.2 beer -designed so it takes linger to get drunk when in the hot sun.

            • Bella Legosi

              Are you counting malt liqueurs?

              XP
              Bella can not imbibe that wretched concoction anymore.

              I like my good old american piss vasser!

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      I’ve been waiting for you….

      [IMG]http://i42.tinypic.com/30k9bpx.jpg[/IMG]

      • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

        That is totally entheta.

        Factually, the last mission “After Earth” is already in place and has been for many years:

        http://i1284.photobucket.com/albums/a563/OTVIIIisGrrr8/state-new-mexico_zps7d9d036d.jpg

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          I’m so sorry. I had that picture in the lineup, but it mysteriously just deleted itself when I tried to paste it in. I’ll be more careful next time.

          • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

            Did it delete itself or go exterior to your hard drive?

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              yes

  • Noah Miller

    How can you “pull things in” and have SPs at the same time? You’d think those concepts would be mutually exclusive.

  • Sunny Sands

    Their mission of Belleair in Florida is not in the town of Belleair, it’s address is the next town over called Belleair Bluffs. I’ve always thought they used the Belleair name because locally it has a wealthier connotation than Belleair Bluffs.

    • richelieu jr

      Bel Aire in LA is closer to Beverly Hills than Santa Monica is!

  • I always laugh at the “good old days”. I was an collector of esoteric trivia from a young age so when LRH spouted off the word MEST, I always thought of the MEST gene, which when missing causes cancer, and that he stole thetan from the fact that the Dakota Indians called the soul “the ton” Yeah he did lots of “research”.

    It blows my mind that even knowing these things I was such a true believer that I thought he was the only person who even knew the proper food to feed my baby. I’m glad she was smarter than me and would only breast feed. Every time I tried to give her a bottle of barley formula, she would bite the nipple off and throw it across the room.

    • Sherbet

      Where did lrh come up with the barley formula thing, anyway?

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        From his endless well of contempt for humanity.

        • Missionary Kid

          And is endless well of contempt for humility. He’d never admit he ever didn’t know something.

      • Michael Leonard Tilse

        In the barley formula HCOB, IIRC, he tells how he hallucinates being in the roman army and living off of barley, so he then hallucinates that this would be a good thing to feed babies who are not eating well. Or perhaps the mom is not available due to 100 hour work weeks. Except babies can’t chew, so his bright idea is it gets boiled and the ‘barley water’ mixed with Karo corn syrup and fed to the kid.

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          Fascinating stuff. Hard to believe it was all being made up on the fly.

          Know anything about the “Guk” program?

          • Michael Leonard Tilse

            IIRC, it was an early 50’s Vitamin and minerals concoction, Niacin was in there too. FDA busted them for that. Wasn’t around when I was in.

        • Sherbet

          If I recall, before baby formula was available commercially, moms cooked it up using Karo corn syrup and milk. So the Karo isn’t as weird as it sounds. I didn’t say it was a good idea; just that it was a common ingredient. Barley? Never heard of using that.

          Imagine feeding a newborn a concoction based on a madman’s hallucinations…

          • Michael Leonard Tilse

            Didn’t know that about the Karo, must be some wog tech that slipped past Hubbard’s meds.

    • richelieu jr

      Atack thinks the ‘Thetan’ thing comes from ‘Satan’, but I gotta admit I thought of the MEST gene right away when I heard that as well.. Sounds scientific? Let’s throw it in!

    • richelieu jr

      The wisdom of children, huh?
      Hubbard’s ‘experimentation’ apparently didn’t go as far as actually trying to feed a child with it;

    • Missionary Kid

      I’m willing to bet he never changed a diaper, let alone fed a child. After all, raising a child from his perspective was probably deemed, “women’s work.”

    • grundoon

      theta (n.) Eighth letter of the Greek alphabet; in ancient Greece, written on ballots to indicate a vote for a sentence of “death” (thanatos), hence occasional allusive use for “death.” http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?search=theta

      • Espiando

        Word-clearing is for fgts.

  • California

    Thank you, again, Claire, for your information. And hang in there…. your parents and in-laws may wake up as well……

  • N. Graham

    A little off topic, but I entered my address into the “Find the Scientology Church closest to you” and the closest one is Cambridge, Ontario-2 and a half hours and a country away. I’ll just jog down there now and pick up some books, take a course, do a little auditing. How convenient!

    • ze moo

      There is usually a 1/2 to 1 1/2 hour ‘wait’ at border crossings. The Buffalo and Detroit mOrgs should be closer. The Buffalo mOrg is only 2 blocks away from the Anchor Bar, home of Buffalo Chicken wings. The sell t-shirts and sauces, too. You could have flavorness in your chicken wings, instead of moneylessness………

    • sugarplumfairy

      !!!!!!!!!NO, eNGRAM, NO!!!!!!! No books, courses or auditing for you!!! Wings are ok, though..

    • richelieu jr

      I wonder how long before you start getting mail, and then visitors, at your address?

      • N. Graham

        Probably about a couple of hours. I’ll bet my credit card limits will mysteriously rise also.

  • N. Graham

    I hear Wee Davey is needing money these days so is renting himself out as a religious lecturer. When we inquired about getting him to speak at our college (for April Fool’s Day), they sent us this, which they said was page 1 of 200.

    Mr. David Miscavige Dressing Room Requirements

    -All windows must be cleaned using newspaper tech and wiped
    until they shine.

    -All windows must be covered with black paper that lets no light come in.

    -Don’t forget to dust the light bulbs.

    -There is to be no utterance of the words Shelley, shell, lee, or any other variance. All shells must be removed from the area.

    -Three different gourmet meals must be prepared so that Mr.Miscavige may choose whichever one he most feels like at the time.

    -An adequate amount of rice and beans must also be available for Mr. Miscavige’s entourage, although they will probably be too busy to eat them.

    -There must be a couple of cases of Scotch- Dalmore 64 Trinitas or Macallan 1926.

    -There must be no mention whatsoever of anybody’s height. Similarly, the words short, small, miniscule, wee, or other such adjectives must not be used within Mr.Miscavige’s earshot.

    -All people who serve or work the days Mr. Miscavige is on premises must take the first three Scientology courses (at their own expense) and submit a list of all their friends and relatives, including Facebook friends they have never met. They must affirm that no one on their list is antagonistic towards Scientology or Mr. Miscavige.

    -Please don’t talk about any math or science, or anything really, above the ninth grade level as Mr. Miscavige will not understand.

    -Mr. Miscavige likes to engage in playful wrestling and boxing contests. If he hits or tackles any of the staff, consider it an honor and privilege. Under no circumstances should anyone attempt to lay a hand upon Mr. Miscavige.

    – Proper etiquette states that the first time Mr. Miscavige is addressed, “Your Holiness” should be used, then “sir” thereafter.

    -A running track should be available at a moment’s notice, in case Mr. Miscavige’s best friend Tom visits.

    -Listen very closely to anything Mr. Miscavige says since he does not like to repeat things. Do NOT
    say “what?” in his presence. He is a very Theta talker and if you cannot understand him, it means you must have serious overts and should not be in the presence of Mr. Miscavige.

    -Mr. Miscavige realizes that it is not always easy to follow the rules to the letter. To help rehabilitate those staff members that make errors, there must be a separate room (or broom closet or musty cellar) available to use for what Mr. Miscavige likes to call the RPF Room. No further information will be given.

    • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

      Well done N. Graham!

      You are highly commended for duplicating what COB wants and needs.

      Only one thing missing:

      – When Mr. Miscavige speaks to an audience, each and every utterance he makes (whether understandable or not) must be responded to with a thunderous standing ovation bordering on hysteria of not less than two minutes.

  • Sidney18511

    http://scientologycelebrity.wordpress.com/

    One of the moles that is working this blog has the inside scoop regarding the Beverly Hikls mission.

  • Bella Legosi

    Thought you guys would enjoy this pic I snapped while in line at the pharmacy at Walgreens.

    It was weird. The whole book rack was filled with Christian “science” books for adults and kids. Had I stuck around after I popped my vicodin I may have been truly enthralled with the book I am about to show you here.

    Cheesy, Sara Pailin/Sara Bachman, born again, Jack Van Impe, salvation salesmen and their propaganda has always been a weakness of mine! But, goddamn I pursued this book and actually felt my brain cells being slaughtered. That says something seeing as how I have read Hubbards brain farts!

    [URL=http://s1282.photobucket.com/user/BellaLegosi/media/Picture013.jpg.html][IMG]http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/a523/BellaLegosi/Picture013.jpg[/IMG][/URL]

    • Captain Howdy

      How could you resist stea..buying a book titled “Scientific Facts in the BIBLE”? By Ray Comfort no less.

      You should have asked the manager if Walgreens Inc was aware he/she was promoting christian fundamentalism.

      • Bella Legosi

        I think they are well aware of it! You should have seen the line where he actually writes “Genisis Is Scientifically Proven: Scientists agree that with current evidence “a void” is simular to what is described in Genisis.”

        I try not to steal from Walgreens Captain! They don’t like that shit and I will be goddamned if I get arrested for stealing a POS like THAT! lol

        Interesting note…..Walgreens in Oregon quit accepting Medicare and Oregon Health Plan drug insurance. And they are now charging street prices for their oxycodone! Fuckers!

        That is funny tho. Get your Percocet and Jesus on at the corner of Healthly and Happy! lmao

      • Bella Legosi

        Hey Captain…..wanna come over to my place and listen to some Phil Collins? Maybe return some video tapes?

        >D

        • Captain Howdy

          Phil Collins??? Ah..sure..err..as long as you’re not wearing a rain coat.

          http://youtu.be/yiathMz7wFU

          • Bella Legosi

            😀

            But that is how four play is done in Bella’s Castle! You don’t have to participate! Voyers are always welcome in Bella Land, even tho they are creepy deviants, Bella loves them too.

            Words of wisdom……..Don’t just stare at it….eat it

            😛

    • aquaclara

      ….thanks for thinking of us!

      • Bella Legosi

        Oh it was my pleasure. And I took the pic really thinking of you guys. My stepmom asked why and I said that the Bunkerites would get a kick out of this. I really wanted to take pics of the insane claims, but my script was ready so I decided against it. I got a few dental appointments coming up so if I see it again I shall take a few more choice pix and load them up on my bucket account for yall!

        • Robert Eckert

          I wish I still had this picture: I visited Dinosaur National Monument, off the main highways in Colorado, where you can see a working paleontological site (bunch of sauropods caught in a flash flood a hundred million years ago, not Hubbard time but really, that the scientists have been delicately chiseling out of the rocks for years) and also some rocks with Native petroglyphs, and nearby there is the town of Dinosaur where the park workers live, and there in the town I saw… the DINOSAUR BAPTIST CHURCH. Yeah! Give me that old-time religion!

          • Bella Legosi

            haha I love it! I know not why crazy Christians are a guilty pleasure of mine, but they are. Especially Jack Van Impe, that twinkel in his eyes as he talks about the Rapture and the End Days is so creepy yet that man seriously believes that will be the best day ever for mankind! Nuckin Futz!

            I love what my hero Bill Hicks had to say about Christians and Dianosaurs!http://youtu.be/mrZcztxRquo

          • ParticleMom
    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      Hey, I saw your “cute as hell” hair! Cute.

      • Bella Legosi

        Thank you thank you………I am in an especially good mood today and my hair is something I have been proud of since I was a kid! A wise man told me once, “A woman’s hair is her crown! Never cut yours off!” I like that and believe in it!

  • Gus_Cox

    I think her math is a little off – of 1,000 staff, you’d have 20% or 200, and then 2.5% *of those* would be SPs – so 4 or 5 SPs not 25. But who gives a shit anyway.

  • Sid_Sn

    You have to hand it to Hubbard – I do believe the guy was smart.

    With his explanation of “Suppressive Person”, Hubbard redefines the critic of Scientology. He didn’t just make up the term for fun, he was aiming at those who didn’t agree with him.

    He could have simply said “those critics are idiots, don’t believe them, I’m right and they are wrong”, in which case the budding Scientologist would have been faced with a simple choice of who is right and who is wrong, and of course the critic has a pretty solid argument as to why Scientology is nonsense.

    But by coming up with an explanation as to WHY the critic is behaving the way he is, then Hubbard changes the game. Now, the Scientologist is free to discard the cold hard logic of the critic, because he’s an SP! He just can’t help himself but try and stop people from getting better!

    Who’s getting better? Scientologists are getting better! What’s making them get better? Scientology!!! Those darn SPs, can’t they see we are getting better????

    Has anyone ever written a “What Hubbard really meant” book? Because I’m sure such a thing would be valuable for those trying to wake up from the double-speak.

  • Jgg2012

    Yes, that is the same building the Santa Monica Mission was in; it was empty then, and its empty now.

  • Xenu, Lord of Kobol

    “CLAIRE: Starting in 1999, Miscavige started the Ideal Org plan. The problem that needed addressing, supposedly, was that Tom Cruise could not take Steven Spielberg and other celebrities into Scientology organizations because they weren’t up to standard.”

    At the risk of being called racist for use of Yiddish in regard to Mr. Spielberg, but I suspect that the man who has done so much to highlight the atrocities of totalitarian regimes is not enough of an alter cocker, fercockt, fertummelt, loch in kemp, meshuggina, shlemeil would never fall for the boychick, ferdrayt, narrishkeit of Scientology regardless of the momzer in charge.

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      Shalom brutha!

  • L. Wrong Hubturd

    Speaking of MEST, I noticed during After Birth the other night, that one of the virtual screens that Will Smith looks at when he sends the flying probes out to look round the planet says MST in the upper right corner. I wondered at the time if it was just a coincidence.

    • Espiando

      More like an indication where this movie would have ended up in about ten years if a certain TV series was still running.

  • Dave Roberts

    Hubbard was a hypocrite. He was a convicted criminal who evaded justice like the coward he was. I’m not a perfect person either, none of us are. Yet LRH would have us believe that he had found a key to life that was demonstrably a lie.

    The Bible states that
    And inasmuch as it is appointed for men to die once and after this comes judgment,