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UP THE BRIDGE: We finally reach ‘OT 8’ — but was its first version really a hoax?

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George White on the Freewinds to do OT 8 in July 1988

More than a year ago, we started a project — ‘Up the Bridge’ — which we thought would be very useful for our readers, particularly those who had never been members of Scientology. With the help of experts — Claire Headley, Bruce Hines, and others — we ventured step by step up Scientology’s legendary “Bridge to Total Freedom.”

Even members of the public with only a vague understanding of Scientology seem to realize that the church is unique in that it involves a series of ever more expensive courses or levels that members go through to reach higher states of spiritual enlightenment. But what were these steps, and how much did they cost? With Claire’s help, we started at the very bottom, learning how something like “Study Tech,” for example — a course about how to use a dictionary to look up or “word-clear” concepts — contributes to the organization’s layers of control. Some of these lower level courses cost very little.

At the upper end of the Bridge, we’ve been going through the “Operating Thetan” levels, which can each require weeks or even years of counseling — called ‘auditing’ — and can run several hundred dollars an hour. In our last installment, Jefferson Hawkins helped us understand one of the “L Rundowns” — a sort of booster to the OT levels — and by that time we had reached a running total in course costs (not counting transportation, lodging, and other costs and donations) of $460,805.50. And now, finally, we’ve reached the highest level of them all — Operating Thetan Level Eight.

Released in 1988, two years after the death of L. Ron Hubbard, OT 8 has only ever been delivered to church members in one place — aboard the church’s private cruise ship the Freewinds, which sails between several Caribbean islands and made its maiden voyage that year. But there’s been a running controversy over what materials those students in 1988 were given when OT 8 was debuted. In 1993, a bizarre document purporting to be OT 8 showed up in a giant court filing — the notorious “Fishman Papers” — which a man named Steven Fishman submitted in a lawsuit that resulted from Time magazine’s 1991 cover story calling Scientology “the thriving cult of greed and power.” (Briefly, Fishman was being sued for things he said about the church in the magazine article, and Scientology claimed he had to be lying because he had no real knowledge of the church. So, in order to prove that he was a knowledgeable member, he submitted Scientology’s entire secret upper level teachings as a court declaration. The Fishman Papers then began leaking out on the early Internet about a year later, and it’s all been pretty much downhill for Scientology ever since.) The OT 8 document was so strange — with L. Ron Hubbard telling his followers that he was a prophesied reincarnation of the Buddha, and that he was the “Antichrist” predicted in the Book of Revelation, and that Jesus was not the figure most Christians made him out to be — there have always been doubts about the document’s authenticity. (Scientology officials have dismissed it as a hoax.)

Before we move on in the next installment to what Scientologists learn today on OT 8, this week we wanted to deal with this controversy. It’s something we’ve been waiting to do for a very long time, and in part inspired this series to begin with.

In September 2012, a man name George White contacted us with a fascinating tale. He said that he had been among those early OT 8 students in the summer of 1988, and he had the documentation to prove it. And furthermore, he said, the notorious “Antichrist” court document was nearly identical to what he received during his time on the Freewinds. (He later said as much in brief comments on Marty Rathbun’s blog in July 2013.) And now, finally, we can tell his story and examine this strange moment in Scientology history.

George White is originally from Holyoke, Massachusetts and went to college in nearby Worcester at Holy Cross. He served in Korea during the Vietnam War, and then got an MBA at Columbia in 1972.

It was when he was stopped in the street in Greenwich Village to take a personality test that he first encountered Scientology. A photograph of L. Ron Hubbard piqued his curiosity, and he began taking classes.

“I was never on staff. I was always a public,” White tells us, explaining that he was enthusiastic, but always maintained a level of skepticism throughout his years of involvement.

The prices in the 1970s were more reasonable, he says, so he went through classes rather quickly and became a Class IV auditor — someone who was trained to counsel other people in Scientology’s processes. On the Bridge, he rapidly went up intermediate levels known as the “Grades,” which he enjoyed.

At the time, in the early to mid 1970s, L. Ron Hubbard was running Scientology from the ship Apollo in the Mediterranean and the Atlantic. But White says he was able to send a few letters to Hubbard and get responses. “I still have the letters. But I think someone was ghost-writing for him,” he says.

Working for Dun & Bradstreet, White had the money to pay for bundles that included several different courses. He went “Clear” and then began the Operating Thetan levels. At OT 3, Scientologists are first exposed to the story of Xenu and the disembodied alien souls — body thetans — that are clinging to all of us, a story South Park made famous in a 2005 episode.

“I had gone to Holy Cross College, and had studied the Bible with Jesuits,” White says. “When I saw that stuff about Xenu, I thought, well, that’s an act of faith.” He found that the material produced a “read” on the Scientology E-meter (in other words, the needle reacted when he considered the Xenu material), so he accepted it as fact.

“I learned later that the reason it reads on the meter is that you’re already conditioned to believe it,” he says.

As he continued up the Bridge, he was influenced by other people, particularly a girlfriend who was a step ahead of him and urged him to keep going. “For me it was just something I felt I had to get through, because I wanted to get to the highest level,” he says.

As he worked his way up the OT courses, prices began going up sharply. Hubbard had gone into total seclusion in 1980. Increasingly, a new young guard of executives, including a man named David Miscavige, was beginning to exert control over the organization.

OT 7 cost White $17,000 to complete — when everything before it had only cost him about $10,000 in total, he estimates. And Scientology was changing in other ways, as well. Flag, for example, just wasn’t as much fun.

In order to complete high levels such as OT 7, you were required to take them at Flag — the Flag Land Base in Clearwater, Florida, which had been taken over by the church after Hubbard had finally docked his armada in 1975.

“That place rocked,” White says of Clearwater in the late 1970s and early 1980s. “When you went to Flag in those years, you met people. You want to get a girlfriend? You got five of them. You want to have a party? You’d have these massive parties.”

By the time White finished OT 7 in 1987, however, Hubbard was dead, and the party was over. “I didn’t want to do OT 8. I was done,” he says.

But it nagged at him — he wanted to know what secrets were revealed in Scientology’s ultimate level, which was finally being released.

In May 1988, friends of his were going on the maiden voyage of the Freewinds, and they were going to be among about 150 people who would receive the newly released OT 8. But despite the encouragement of his friends, White didn’t go. When his friends returned, they told him he had to do it.

The church wanted $28,000 for the course, but White only had $18,000 from a work bonus that he could spend on it. A Scientologist friend loaned him the other ten grand, and then George had no more excuses.

He sailed on July 1, 1988. He was surprised to learn that only about 35 people were there to get OT 8. And White’s course completion was one of the last in the group recorded. The certificate he received after completing the cruise shows that he was OT 8 number 184.

 
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“I got on the ship at Curaçao. There was a steel drum band. All you wanted to eat. They had a five-star chef. It was first class. It was like being in a hotel better than the Hyatt. It was phenomenal,” he says.

Scientologists can be put through time-consuming preliminary matters before a course can begin, but White says that wasn’t the case this time. “I had to do some sec-checking, but it was minimal. Maybe 15 minutes,” he says. (“Sec-checking,” or “security checking,” is interrogation that Scientologists are subjected to in order to make sure they aren’t security risks.)

White then sat through a briefing, and an individual auditing session, and then he says he was told to go back to his cabin and wait.

“There was a knock, and someone slipped an envelope under the door. It had an embossed card saying that I was invited to do OT 8. I was to come to the course room at 8 am the next morning.” he says. When he got there, a supervisor handed him a folder. Inside there were familiar items — like the usual “Keep Scientology Working” material — and there was a student briefing.

The briefing was a letter by L. Ron Hubbard dated May 5, 1980, and it was written in a style as though Hubbard was letting the reader into his biggest secret — by the time this letter was handed out he would be dead, Hubbard wrote, but then he would return, just as the Bible had predicted when it spoke of an Antichrist…

No doubt you are familiar with the Revelations section of the Bible where various events are predicted. Also mentioned is a brief period of time in which an archenemy of Christ, referred to as the Antichrist, will reign and his opinions will have sway. All this makes for very fantastic, entertaining reading but there is truth in it. This Antichrist represents the forces of Lucifer (literally, the “light bearer” or “light bring”), Lucifer being a mythical representation of the forces of enlightenment, the Galactic Confederacy. My mission could be said to fulfill the Biblical promise represented by this brief Antichrist period. During this period there is a fleeting opportunity for the whole scenario to be effectively derailed, which would make it impossible for the mass Markabian landing (Second Coming) to take place. The Second Coming is designed, among other things, to trigger a rapid series of destructive events.

The scenario fits Hubbard’s earlier writings, which describes the universe as trillions of years old and subject to a mass space opera narrative of which human beings, living on their prison planet, are oblivious. The world’s religions, Hubbard had suggested in the earlier OT 3 materials, were only stories that more powerful galactic forces wanted Earthlings to believe. The solar system had been visited by waves of “Marcabian” invaders and other alien forces. Here, Hubbard suggests that the writers of the Bible are so ignorant of what’s really going on in the galaxy, they have the roles of good and evil reversed.

White says the Biblical references really didn’t startle him too much.

“I had already been through Bible study with Jesuits. To me this was all just faith,” he says. “As far as calling himself the Antichrist, I thought, well, that’s in the future, we’ll see.”

Hubbard then refers in the briefing to the Buddha as someone who had realized what was really happening — the galactic forces at work on a long game. “Having caught on to this operation, he postulated his own return as Meteyya, part of which prophecy will have been fulfilled upon the passing of L. Ron Hubbard,” Hubbard writes, referring to himself in the third person.

At this point in the briefing, Hubbard apparently realized that he would be upsetting some readers who might bristle to read about the Antichrist or that Buddha was in on the galaxy’s overarching melodrama. Then comes the document’s most-quoted passage…

For those of you whose Christian toes I may have stepped on, let me take the opportunity to disabuse you of some lovely myths. For instance, the historic Jesus was not nearly the sainted figure he has been made out to be. In addition to being a lover of young boys and men, he was given to uncontrollable bursts of temper and hatred that belied the general message of love, understanding and other typical Marcab PR. You have only to look at the history his teachings inspired to see where it all inevitably leads. It is historic fact and yet man still clings to the ideal, so deep and insidious is the biologic implanting. It is a good joke that the Galactic Confederacy is associated with the Serpent in the Garden, the Beast and other emissaries of the “Prince of Darkness.” Yet in certain passages and esoteric interpretations of the Bible (much of which has been taken out and effectively suppressed for centuries) as well as the Kabbalah, the truth reveals itself quite nicely for the clever and the ungullible.

White says his feathers still weren’t ruffled as he hit that passage. “The thing about Jesus being a lover of young boys and men didn’t bother me one bit. I thought, ‘That’s his speculation. He can say whatever he likes.’ I was looking at it from a point of view of, where’s the punch line? When are you going to get me into this OT state?”

In other words, like other Scientologists White had been spending years — and plenty of money — trying to get the secrets Hubbard had supposedly discovered that would unlock superhuman abilities that were supposed to come with Scientology processing. But level after level, those superpowers never materialized.

White says he knew that accepting Hubbard’s strange ideas about the Bible weren’t going to do anything to get him OT abilities. But he didn’t dwell on the situation. The auditing portion of OT 8, which followed that briefing, went really well, he says.

“You look at your past and you make comparisons and make conclusions. It’s just a formalized method of self-examination. I did that, I had some personal things that I wanted to do,” he says. Yes, it’s true that during such auditing, you’re being asked to hunt down “implants” that you received millions or billions of years ago during past lives, he admits. “But that’s all symbols. What mattered was that you find your problem and do something about it. I thought it was great.”

After days of such auditing, there was an exam. “They never even asked about the Antichrist stuff,” he says.

White was then asked to give a speech — a success story — and he did it.

But soon after he returned home, word spread that OT 8 had been a disaster.

White says that his group was the last to get the Antichrist briefing. The stories about how much damage it had caused spread quickly, and within six months of his trip, he was being called multiple times a day, told that he had to come back to the Freewinds. There had been a problem, he was told, and he needed to redo OT 8.

“I told them no. First, I got a lot out of it. Second, I didn’t mind the document, it didn’t bother me. That was all I expected. You delivered what you promised to do.” he says.

He never went back, and by the Spring of 1989, he was out of Scientology for good.

He left quietly, and didn’t suffer any real harassment, he says. He was just finished with Scientology and walked away. He wasn’t bitter, and he didn’t really pay attention to the press accounts of defections and controversies that dogged the church over the next 20 years. He didn’t even realize there was a controversy over the OT 8 briefing.

Then, in 2007, White says he got a call from Ohio State University professor Hugh Urban. “He had heard about me from a blog. He asked if I’d done OT 8,” George says.

George says Urban asked him if he’d been given a copy of the Antichrist document that talks about Jesus as a pedophile.

“I told him the document I received definitely mentioned the Antichrist, but I didn’t remember the word ‘pedophile’,” White says. Urban sent him a copy of the document that had been introduced in court in the Fishman Papers. And George was right, the word ‘pedophile’ does not appear.

The copy Urban sent him was the first one he’d seen since he was on the ship. “Oh my God, it is the same. But I didn’t remember the last sentence — it’s a call to action. I don’t remember that being on it. But everything else is what I saw.”

We asked him how he could be so sure that the language in the document from the Fishman declaration is so close to what he was given on the ship.

“We word-cleared it!” he says. (In other words, in typical Scientology fashion, they were required to go through every word on the document and look up their meanings, as an exercise.)

White took one more trip on the Freewinds after his OT 8 experience, in September 1988. On the way there, he met a woman, also going to the ship. They were married in 1990, had a son that year, and a daughter in 1992.

 
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“She stayed in Scientology for a lot longer than I did. Until 6 or 8 years ago. I didn’t get declared until three years ago,” he says, referring to Scientology’s habit of excommunicating people in a formal way.

The Whites today live in Ruskin, Florida. George is 68, and the former marketing executive is semi-retired.

He’s heard from other Scientologists who did OT 8 after he did, and who tell him that he’s wrong about the level. He ignores them, saying that they weren’t around for what he experienced. But he warned us that “There are still a lot of people who don’t believe me.”

What else does the record show? Carnegie Mellon University professor Dave Touretzky maintains pages about Scientology’s upper-level teachings, and on a page about OT 8 written by Karin Spaink, she points out that during a copyright battle over Arnie Lerma’s web pages, Scientology attorney Kendrick Moxon identified the “Antichrist” document as copyrighted material. (Touretzky points out, however, that a week before the raid on Lerma, another Scientology attorney, Helena Kobrin, had left OT 8 out of the list of copyrights she said Touretzky had violated by posting the Fishman Papers.)

Touretzky urged us to check with former Scientology official Marty Rathbun, who in 1988 was rising to be a major force in the church under Miscavige. But Rathbun says he wasn’t around the Freewinds in 1988 and wasn’t OT 8 himself at the time. His knowledge is second hand.

“While I was in the church, everyone said it was bullshit. And I was not OT 8, so I wouldn’t have seen it,” he tells us. “But it’s all much ado about nothing to me at this point.”

Another former top official who was around Miscavige at the time was Jesse Prince. In a 1998 taped interview with Lawrence Wollersheim, Prince said that there had been a big upset over the initial rollout of OT 8 in 1988. Prince wasn’t privy to what had been delivered on the ship, but he worked closely with Miscavige, and gave his sense of what Miscavige felt about the OT 8 problem.

“Very intense reaction. He didn’t even want nothing to damn do with OT 8 was the feeling I got from him. It’s like, ‘This is a mistake’ or ‘This is beyond anything even I would have thought of, to now put this on the public.’ This is what I’m now feeling from him,” Prince said in the interview.

Another person we talked to was Frank Oliver, who in the early 1990s worked as an operative for Scientology’s Office of Special Affairs, its intelligence wing. He told us that in 1991, he came across the document in Scientology’s own files — two years before the document became public through the Fishman Declaration.

“The red on white, I saw it,” Oliver tells us, referring to the Hubbard document, which was typed in red ink on white paper.

“When we were setting up the CAN unit, they brought in file cabinets from ASHO,” he says. At the time, the Office of Special Affairs was setting up an operation to harass the Cult Awareness Network (CAN), an effort that would result in CAN’s bankruptcy and then sale to Scientology a few years later. In 1991, Oliver was helping to gear up the spy operation to wreck an organization that had been a thorn in Scientology’s side. File cabinets were brought in from the American Saint Hill Organization (ASHO), one of the main components of Scientology’s “Big Blue” complex in Los Angeles.

“The goal was to destroy the Cult Awareness Network,” Frank says. And part of his job was going through piles of records to prepare a strategy. While he was going through a file cabinet, he opened a folder and found Hubbard’s 1980 letter with the statements about an Antichrist.

“I remember reading the document, then reading it again,” he says. He turned to the programs chief and asked him what his case level was.

“He was an OT 5, but I handed him the document anyway. He smirked. ‘This isn’t real,’ he said. ‘It was created by the Whitfields.’ They were our targets at the time. He was just fucking with me,” Oliver says.

In other words, the programs chief blamed a defector, Hana Whitfield, for creating a fake Hubbard document to slander the church. But Oliver didn’t buy that explanation.

(We’ve sent multiple messages to Hana Whitfield to see if she has a comment, but she hasn’t got back to us. We’d still like to talk to her if someone could point out that we’re trying to reach her.)

“I think that document was something Hubbard wrote and it was PR-unfriendly. So they came back later with an excuse,” Oliver says.

We asked University of Alberta professor Stephen Kent about the document, and he pointed out that what Hubbard said about Jesus might not really be all that controversial…

Unlike just about everyone else, I never got bent out of shape over the statement that Jesus was “a lover of young boys and men” because of the neglected passage in the oldest (and least embellished) of the Gospels: Mark 14:51. Jesus has left his disciples in the lower part of Gethsemane, and they fell asleep. Soon afterward, Judas came with a crowd to take Jesus away, “And a young man followed him [i.e., Jesus], with nothing but a linen cloth about his body; and they seized him but he left the linen cloth and ran away naked.” Scholars do not know who this boy was.

The passage exists only in Mark, and nothing else in the New Testament or even the Hebrew Bible (as I understand the scholarship) provides any basis for comparison. I do believe, too, that a subculture of young male (pre-body hair) prostitution existed in the Greco-Roman world.

Several decades ago, the biblical scholar, Morton Smith, claimed that, while separating sheets of paper covering ancient books in a Middle Eastern monastery, he found a letter from a Church Father claiming that Jesus likely was initiating the youth into esoteric Christianity — a claim in line with Gnosticism. Years afterward, another scholar alleged fraud on Smith’s part. In any case, no one knows what the passage means.

If the words about Jesus have attracted the most attention, Hubbard’s other statements about his own fate are also fascinating. Near the end, he writes…

I will soon leave this world only to return and complete my mission with another identity. Although I long to stretch my arms back in repose on some distant star in some distant galaxy, it appears that, that is one dream that will have to wait…I will return not as a religious leader but a political one. That happens to be the requisite beingness for the task at hand. I will not be known to most of you, my activities misunderstood by many, yet along with your constant effort in the theta band I will effectively postpone and then halt a series of events designed to make happy slaves of us all. So there you have it …. The secret that I have kept close to my chest all these years. Now you too are part of this secret and I no longer have to shoulder the burden alone or live with the possibility of body death before all the data could be released.

The briefing ends with some typical Hubbard bravado. Years earlier he had claimed that he’d almost died learning the secrets of OT 3, which were protected in such a way that anyone trying to learn them without the proper preparation might catch pneumonia and die. And now, the secrets of OT 8 also appeared to be booby-trapped, except that those “who happened to stumble into this area in their sleep or in moments of reverie…[experience] an hitherto mysterious phenomenon known as ‘spontaneous combustion’.”

Well, so far we haven’t burned up after reading about OT 8 without being members of Scientology. But after talking with George White and Frank Oliver and the others, we’re feeling much more confident that L. Ron Hubbard did pen the original “Antichrist” version of OT 8.

It’s actually one of Hubbard’s most creative pieces of writing. It’s a shame the church disowned it.

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on June 24, 2014 at 07:00

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  • ShoopZ

    Huge turnout for CCHR London protest against psychiatry.

    (refresh)

    • Jo

      Funny, 1100 invited and 15 or so turn up? Ha Ha :)

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        14?

        • Jo

          It’s close, could be 14 or 15.

    • shasha40

      Did you see the signs in the second pix on the right , someone has a sign stating ” children have rights ” , and right below it there’s another one that says ” not in Sea Org ” , Davey did a good job . haha

      • ShoopZ

        “Did you see the signs in the second pix on the right”

        Oh, I saw that sign all right. }:-)

        • shasha40

          …and the foot bullets keep coming ! Ha ha !

          • ShoopZ

            Naaahhh. It’s photoshop.

            • shasha40

              Damn , that sucks , but good job ! I was wondering how that got by Davey boy ! Oh. well …

            • shasha40

              Got me !!! But , oh the irony …

    • Jo

      John Wood and Charles Wakley, scientology London have been talking about this protest on FB for the past few months. Anyone there must be on staff or family.

    • http://scientoonery.tumblr.com/ Nat-lificent

      I disagree with their slogan. I find children to be delightfully deranged.

      http://thechive.com/2013/11/30/kids-are-partially-insane-41-photos/

    • media_lush

      our loser European Narconon head and No 1 Monty Python fan – (who even Eric Idle thinks is a twat) was head and centre [probably exactly where you got these photos as well?]

      pic

      • Missionary Kid

        Childhood is not a mental disorder, but $cientology is.

        • DodoTheLaser

          This should be on the list, MK.

          • Missionary Kid

            I will, thanks.

    • richelieu jr

      My shrink went to that today. I will ask her if she even saw any of the protestors…

      • richelieu jr

        ANSWER: NOPE

  • lucille austero

    City busses in Portland are displaying Scientology ads! Help us voice our displeasure! Go to trimet.org. Click on contact us! Let’s stamp this out. For safety.

    • Sunny Sands

      Do they look like the ones on Denver busses? Those had in big letters “paid for by the church of scientology”.(image)

      http://tonyortega.org/2013/03/28/in-dianetics-its-a-scientific-fact-the-uterus-is-a-frightening-place/#more-5446

      • lucille austero

        Haven’t seen them yet personally. But I am voicing my displeasure. Officials here are sensitive to public opinion.

        • richelieu jr

          People will be tempted to just crash their cars right into the buses to destroy the ads… This IS dangerous!

          • George Layton

            They could just tag em with “CULT” after the what is scientology.

          • George Layton

            They could just tag em with “CULT” after the what is scientology.

          • George Layton

            They could just tag em with “CULT” after the what is scientology.

        • Once_Born

          I suspect that they can’t legally refuse – and were going above and beyond by insisting on the ‘paid for by’ to absolutely prevent any association with the city.

        • Mark Foster

          I wrote to them. They responded:

          Dear Mark,

          Thank you for your comments regarding ads on TriMet buses and trains.

          Oregon law prohibits TriMet from picking and choosing content for transit advertising. This is a recent change based on a court ruling. In the past, TriMet’s advertising policy has only allowed ads that were commercial in nature, defined by the promotion of goods or services. Non-commercial ads were not allowed, as we didn’t want to create a public forum through our advertising program. While TriMet also excluded whole categories of advertising, an advertisement was never rejected solely because of its message.

          However, a Multnomah County Circuit Court judge ruled that the Oregon constitution did not permit TriMet to limit the categories of accepted advertising. Since then, TriMet temporarily suspended its advertising policy pending appellate review. As you may have read, the Oregon Court of Appeals recently upheld that ruling. Our advertising policy suspension will continue pending review by the Oregon Supreme Court.

          For any advertisement that is not intended to be attributed to TriMet, we do require the words “PAID ADVERTISEMENT” to be included on or adjacent to the ad.

          By the way, we choose to allow advertising on our buses, trains, shelters and benches, like other major transit agencies across the country, as a means of generating supplemental revenue to offset our operating costs. Currently, we realize more than five million dollars in revenue per year that – particularly in this difficult economic environment – is very important to our budget. TriMet is asking the court to treat it like any other entrepreneurial advertising media and to allow reasonable restrictions on advertising.

          We acknowledge that ads like this, indeed, make things challenging for all of us. Thanks again for your feedback.

          Sincerely,

          Jenny J

          Customer Satisfaction

          TriMet

    • DodoTheLaser

      It seems to be part of the Ideal Dork thing. They had ~3 buses in Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky for about 1 year (2013). Tony posted about it here: http://tonyortega.org/2013/03/31/sunday-funnies-6/ No more.

      I asked around to scout for some stats and opinions, including one Supervisor from the bus company and concluded that the whole campaign basically accomplished nothing and no one gave a single fuck.

      Otherwise, they would have enough dough to do it again, I assure you.

      With that said, I appreciate your concern and activism, but don’t worry too much.

      Refresh for a pic of the glorious Cinci/NKY buses that now are a history.

  • Sunny Sands

    Leah Remini’s reality show, “Leah Remini: It’s All Relative” will premiere July 10 on TLC.

    The first episode, a two-parter, will deal with her leaving the cherch.

    “On July 10, Remini will return to television with a new TLC reality series titled Leah Remini: It’s All Relative, and the premiere two-part episode will deal with the ramifications of Remini’s split from the church. The new show will feature Remini and her husband, Angelo Pagan, as well as Remini’s family–and extended family–as they try to live their lives together in Southern California.

    Read more at http://www.inquisitr.com/1317741/leah-remini-televises-her-break-from-scientology/#xu0HEXBudmcYTTUg.99

    • richelieu jr

      I love SO much that her husband s named ‘Pagan’. Too perfect!

  • Sunny Sands

    Here’s the photo of Leah used in the article about her new show LOL. (image)

    • richelieu jr

      I am feeling a strong attraction to Evil all of a sudden…

      I’ll be going over the the dark side for, oh say, 20 minutes?
      Make that a good hour, mmmkay…?

    • flyonthewall

      that photo makes me want to touch my privates

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Are you sure that photo wasn’t accidentally printed backwards?

      (refresh)

    • Elar Aitch

      Ooo- I’d like to see that tank with the evil/cult LMP thing going on

      • DodoTheLaser

        EVIL or CULT? It’s BOTH!

  • Juicer77

    Red-X – let’s postulate some flags on those lying Co$ ads on Craigslist. Set Comments to “oldest” to see the links. Thanks for flagging!

  • JAMIE

    and George, here
    http://markrathbun.wordpress.com/2013/07/03/dangerous-thoughts/#comment-271673
    you stated you did OT8 on 17 of July 88 while in the photo of the cert it says 29 july…. CAN YOU EXPLAIN PLEASE????

    • Espiando

      Our feelings about Dead Agenting can be expressed in this way…

      • richelieu jr

        Careful now!

    • TheMirrorThetan

      You dumb fucks are quoting Marty’s blog in your dead agenting now?
      I thought he was COS enemy or something, you turds really have just about collapsed if that is the best you can do.

    • grundoon

      Maybe he started on 17 July, finished on 29 July, and misremembered his certificate number.

      Another contributor, Bob Grant, says the disputed material was included in the Class VIII course that he did in 1988. He still has the HCOB, and George still has his OT VIII checksheet. So if you want to cover this up, you’ll have to discredit Bob as well as George.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      He’s 68 years old and has been out of the lunacy for 25 years. Ask your grandpa to give you detailed information about anything he did 25 years ago. Then dig up the corroborating documents. Match. Discuss.

      Now Word Clear the above, model it in clay, and stick it where the sun don’t shine.

  • truth will set u free

    Sorry but I can’t help but think if Elron referred to himself as Lucifer/Antichrist or even Maitreya, it was probably all the drugs he was taking by the time he scribbled this credo. Is anyone familiar with the Urantia books? All this Galactic Federation hierarchy overlord belief system suspiciously resembles that whole series. Google Madam Blavatsky and you will also find many things he cribbed from her stores of adventures. The man was not only a mediocre sci fi rag peddler at best but also a shameless plagiariser.

  • JAMIE

    DEAR GEORGE, ………………… IN the cert you posted on this article, you seem to be OT VIII# 184, while in this comment from Marty Rathbun’s blog YOU state you’re OT VIII # 254…. WHAT IS THE TRUTH?????

    http://markrathbun.wordpress.com/2013/07/03/dangerous-thoughts/#comment-271605

    • Espiando

      Oh, here we go with the Dead Agenting…

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        Sven is so wise…

    • NOLAGirl

      Doing Dave’s dirty work? I’m guessing his morning Ortega blog report got some people in trouble, otherwise you wouldn’t be here with this nonsense. Pull your skirts down, your lies are showing.

      Call someone you’ve disconnected from, they miss you.

      • Espiando

        Fuck that shit. This slime mold doesn’t deserve to have loved ones.

        He also didn’t get the memo that Dead Agenting doesn’t work in the Bunker. Poor OSA, stuck doing the same things that don’t work because at one time, they did. Just not here.

    • KNMF

      The sad thing is, it doesn’t matter. You can attack and dead agent 24/7. You’ve been convinced to waste your one (guaranteed) life, fighting windmills. Silly-sad. Tick tock.

    • George Layton

      with GatII out now won’t he need a third number to be caught up on all the OTVIII’s?

  • JAMIE

    TRUTH REVEALED = That OT VIII certificate that you are showing us in this blog is probably a fake or a mistake otherwise i don’t understand the incongruence.

    • Espiando

      Fuck off, OSA.

    • Snake Plissken

      What’s there to understand? All you need to know is Scientology or any variation of Scientology has not only never even remotely come close to producing a single OT, they have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that it’s nothing but a self-serving con game that Hubbard created … this is an indisputable fact.

    • grundoon

      L. Ron Hubbard’s signture is there, plain as day, so what’s your problem?

  • media_lush

    been awhile since they posted a pic but just for the interest this is the very latest pic of Suri Cruise in New York

    • Juicer77

      So glad she’s not being shuffled on and off a $cientology bus or enrolled in some fake $chool.

      • Troy MacGyver SP

        or made to scrape paint off of old building’s that will soon be empty,”Ideal” empty buildings.

    • Baby

      Awww She is getting so tall..Just like her Daddy..

  • Juicer77

    For any newcomers, here is a video that covers a lot of facts about $cientology. Jim Lippard at the National Capital Area Skeptics. Recorded around March 2013. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alLZWxkDf30

  • richelieu jr

    ““I learned later that the reason it reads on the meter is that you’re already conditioned to believe it,” he says.”

    Amazing how after all that the guy still doesn’t get that the e-meter in no way measures ‘belief’ or ‘truth’…

    • Jgg2012

      Actually, they admit that it does nothing.

    • Captain Howdy

      There seems to be a reluctance even among some exes to understand that all the e-meter is physically capable of doing is measuring galvanic skin response. It is incapable of reading one’s emotional state.

  • JAMIE

    you cancelled my comments :) bullshit i was not dead agenting, just asking a fucking question

    • Captain Howdy

      Please be quiet you jabbering monkey.

    • Espiando

      No one cancelled anything of yours, you whiny little OSA bitch.

  • JAMIE

    I DO NOT DISCUSS George’s “OT VIIIness”…. it can be even proven here http://www.truthaboutscientology.com/stats/by-name/g/george-white.html
    and I AM NOT a fucking Kool aid drinker nor a osa-bot. I just can not stand with even little lies, I didnt mean to attack George as a person but this is a delicate matter and i want to be sure it’s being said the truth. that’s it.

    • media_lush

      I have this picture of you masturbating and weeping

      • richelieu jr

        Was that him?

        Now that I look at it again, I can see why he was weeping, I’m glad you put that one up. I want everyone to see his ‘little lie’; I can’t stand it!

    • Espiando

      Denying that you’re OSA means you’re OSA.

    • KNMF

      When the lies are cleared from all the comment sections, then the entire internet, it will be because of you and other sane people like you. It is wise to start with the little lies first. Good show.

  • media_lush

    Came across a scientology book I’d never heard of before. ‘Jerry Staton’s Hollywood, Satanism, Scientology, and Suicide’ … I know many are avid readers here and it kind of fits in with todays topic… anyone read it… comments?

    Review: http://www.examiner.com/article/the-babalon-working-hollywood-satanism-scientology-and-suicide

    here it is on Amazon http://www.amazon.com/Hollywood-Satanism-Scientology-Suicide-Staton/dp/144145084X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1248206067&sr=8-1

    • aquaclara

      How is there a book we have missed?

      • DodoTheLaser

        Speaking of books, Tony and Marc will hopefully unleash theirs this year.
        I need me something to read before Christmas.

      • Free Minds, Free Hearts

        Really, I have never even heard of this. And I am obsessed so I would have noticed.

        • aquaclara

          I know! going off to amazon now….

    • DodoTheLaser

      Interesting. Here’s his LinkedIn page: http://www.linkedin.com/pub/jerry-staton/4/185/540

  • Baby

    Don’t yell at me.. ( refresh)

    You know what to do!

    • Aslansown

      Hi Baby!!! I was just looking for that. Do you have the link?

    • Pierrot

      Thanks again Baby.

  • JAMIE

    ONE TIME I OPPOSITE ATE A BANANA. I DIDN’T GET ANYWHERE NEAR MY DAILY RECOMMENDED VALUE OF POTASSIUM. dont eat with ur butt.

    • Espiando

  • Science Doc

    Did someone throw troll food under the bridge this morning?

    • Juicer77

      Where’s the Troll-B-Gone?

      • Espiando

        I’m right here.

        • Juicer77

          I’m afraid of friendly fire :)

  • richelieu jr

    This was wonderful piece of Journalism, Tony, one that really rocked me; I have wondered about these issues since first hearing about them. I hope you will go into more depth in your book (the article could have gone on much, much longer for me… I LOVE this stuff!)

    YOu can see why CoS would kick back on this– If true they almost immediately began destroying and replacing Hubbard’s ultimate statement on his life and work. How cojuld you trus tthem on anything, let alone Golden Age of Blech Pay Me I and II?

    If so, it would mean (as far as I can see) that Miscavige is NOT a true believer at all. The ilplicationsa re astounding.

    I don’t want to get to literary, but it is my wont, and boy do I wont! 😉 This rmeidns me a bit of the CHapter ‘The Great Inquisitor’ in ‘The Brothers Karamazov’ by Dostoeyevsky… Does anyone see what I mean?

    • Espiando

      There are just too many characters in Dostoevsky’s works to compare DM to. Raskolnikov, Nikolai Stavrogin, Smerdyakov…

      • richelieu jr

        Well, yes, of course, that’s why I specified that chapter from that book (though it is a mighty big chapter, I’ll concede…) Ad it is more the situation, than the character, if that helps..

      • Hingle McCringleberry

        I wasn’t aware that Dostoyevski ever wrote a double breasted suit wearing character screaming dictation between fits of maniacal laughter while masturbating in an alley. . .

        • Espiando

          No, we have to turn to the works of Bret Easton Ellis for that, I’m afraid.

          • Hingle McCringleberry

            Yuppies. . .

      • DodoTheLaser

        Who are you people? You and Cardinal know more about Russian literature than me.
        I am impressed.

    • Once_Born

      You mean, if Hubbard really did return, he would end up incarcerated and under guard by the CofS?
      At least Shelly would have someone to talk to.

  • Science Doc

    Scientology: The Bridge to Total Trolldom

    • Missionary Kid

      Aren’t Trolls supposedly under the bridge?

  • Jonathan Cummings

    Wow, it all just gets wackier and wackier! Come on current Scientologists, get out now before you donate (waste) more money on a bunch of “tech” (lies) made up by a con artist. Remember, there are way more former Scientologists than current Scientologists, and your cult has yet to clear a small town let alone a small city! MAJOR FAIL!

    • Snake Plissken

      They can’t even clear the sidewalk on L. Ron Hubbard Way, all it takes is one single SP to send the best Scientology has to offer fleeing like cockroaches

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvB4PqH6FwU

      • Missionary Kid

        I have the same effect if I start singing kareoke: everybody leaves. I must have OT powers like Angry Gay Pope, who caused them to flee.

  • Douglas D. Douglas

    Reading this drek isn’t the only unpleasant surprise one finds at OTVIII…

    (refresh)

    • aquaclara

      Nice, Triple D.

      • Baby

        Why thank you Aqua..

        Oh Douglas D. Douglas.. I thought you were talking about my boobs.. carry on..

    • Snake Plissken

      Yeah but look how big that thing is, you don’t get handed certificates that big for just doing anything.

    • Jimmy3

      Where is she on the scale?

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        Hmmmmm. Can’t seem to find “shit eating grin” on the ol’ Tone Scale…

        • Jimmy3

          Sorry forgot to indicate refresh. I don’t use the tone scale.

          • Douglas D. Douglas

            So I see…!

    • Captain Howdy

      Actually she looks fairly upstat in that photo. I would have to subject her to a sec check to get to the bottom of this.

      • Baby

        Ewwwwwwww Howdy..That’s Cardone.. puke

        • Captain Howdy

          Don’t get all high & mighty with me Missy.. sometimes a hole is just a hole.

          • Baby

            OMG! The Visual of her with your Avi.. It’s like a Plushie convention..grosse..

            • Frodis73

              Omg,I miss all the weird stuff here. lol. That is a funny image tho.

            • Baby

              Hi Doggy.. UGH…. can you imagine!

          • Charlotte

            Holy shiz, I literally spat out my drink. You owe me a Tia Maria!

      • Baby

        For The Greatest Good..

        Never ever ooogle THAT douche bag again.

      • Hingle McCringleberry

        I heard that Davy gave her the OTIX Purple Mushroom Head of Spiritual Freedom on her left cheek (don’t tell Grant!), but it’s obviously too small to make out in this photo. . .

    • Sarah James

      You wasted $500,00 you idiot, Cardone.

    • Hingle McCringleberry

      balls.

    • Elar Aitch

      Yeah but she’s a big being amongst the 50-60 hard core publics left…

  • Jimmy3

    I have a dead agent for you. Alec Trevelyan, 006. He betrayed his country and was beheaded by the Lannisters. He was an agent, and now he’s dead. Dead agent. Don’t flame me, I’m just telling truth and facts.

  • MaxSpaceman

    The auditing part of original OT 8 that George White describes can be gleaned from the Tech Bulletins.

    George White: “The auditing portion of OT 8, which followed that briefing, went really well, he says. You look at your past and you make comparisons and make conclusions. It’s just a formalized method of self-examination. I did that, I had some personal things that I wanted to do,” he says. Yes, it’s true that during such auditing, you’re being asked to hunt down “implants” that you received millions or billions of years ago during past lives, he admits. “But that’s all symbols. What mattered was that you find your problem and do something about it. I thought it was great. After days of such auditing, there was an exam. They never even asked about the Antichrist stuff,” he says.

    From: The Technical Bulletins of Dianetics and Scientology.
    By L. Ron Hubbard, FOUNDER OF DIANETICS AND SCIENTOLOGY.
    Volume XIV. THE O.T. LEVELS.

    Original OT 8 (a sampling of the text, entirety posted by Vorlon)

    HCO BULLETIN OF 1 OCTOBER 1969
    OT VIII
    SECRET
    WHY THETANS MOCK UP

    – This question has been the most plaguing one in Dianetics and Scientology.
    – This question has been the most plaguing one in history of Clearing.
    – The ONLY way a thetan ever gets into trouble, the ONLY way he can get trapped or
    become part of a cluster is by mocking up and making pictures of bad experiences.

    – And why record all bad experiences? This too is not good sense.
    – One can explain it by saying that thetans become bored and have “a yearning for event or
    excitement” or that thetans mock up pictures as an aberrated form of “havingness.”
    – Other ways can be invented to explain why thetans compulsively mock up bad pictures,
    but these do not factually lead to a total solution to the compulsion.

    The real reason stems from a basic characteristic of thetans and that is “a thetan never
    totally gives up.”

    A. Just ahead of any engram there must be an effort to retain a position and there must
    be a point or location thetan mocked up.

    This is true. You can blow an engram without running it by spotting its first point
    in space and time. In a secondary, “where did you first hear of the loss?” is a vital question.

    B. In a contact assist getting a person to touch again the point where he was hurt with
    what was hurt will blow the engram.

    C. Getting a person to locate areas (locations) that are not safe produce blows of
    engrams without running them.

    There is, seemingly, a streak of resistance or resentment that makes a thetan wish to persist.

    “Power of choice over where one is and where one is not is thus a key to engrams.

    Finally – a thetan mocks up because he covertly refuses to abandon a location under duress
    and not-ises the place where he does not wish to be but must.

    Using these facts one can blow engrams without running them.
    Some sample questions:
    “What point (location) is unsafe?”
    “What location could you have held absolutely?”
    “Where did you first get an intimation of danger?”
    “What place would you rather not be in?”
    “What effort would it take to hold (that) (a) location?”
    Working with this you will see a door open to a higher level than Dianetic R3R. But realize
    that it is only for a high level thetan.
    By L. Ron Hubbard, 1969.

    • 0tessa

      Could this be a way to blow away the Scientology implant itself?
      Like: ‘In Scientology, where did you first get an intimation of danger?
      ‘In Scientology, what place would you rather not be?
      In Scientology, what point is unsafe?
      Where did you first hear of Scientology?
      What effort would it take to stay in Scientology?
      And so on, till full EP, meaning: leaving Scientology with a big smile on your face.

      • richelieu jr

        …and a loud flushing noise behind you.

  • media_lush

    FFS Beckham, whadya’ thinking!

    • Baby

      I don’t see anything lush..

      • media_lush

        Refresh

        • Baby

          I wish I would have been there..I would have ” BOOOOOED “

          • EnthralledObserver

            I have this funny little dream that one day I’ll be in that position where I can saunter up to Cruise and reach out to shake his hand and ask “What the fuck is up with your criminal buddy, Miscavige? Seriously, Tom, has he buried his wife or what?” I wonder how quick my hand would become a hot potato?

            • shasha40

              I’m down to go with you for that one ! My qualifications , you ask ? I’m a New Yorker than can cuss like a sailor and want tiny dick and COS to die off already Real bad ! Can I come ?

          • Charlotte

            Hey, Baby! Ships in the night….

            • Baby

              There she is..xox errrrr there they are! ; )

    • 0tessa

      I hope that he is not closing Beckham on some ‘service’ …

    • Juicer77

      The Brits are all thinking… “who’s the short little wine-drinking wanker with Davey?”

      • Elar Aitch

        Even worse than wine – water-drinking wanker. Tom’s puffy face of late does not look like that of a water drinker

  • Hingle McCringleberry

    Holy Shit!!! Kim Jong Un is L. Ron Hubbard’s thetan!!!! Fuck me in the ear! And here I was looking sideways at Rand Paul for the last four years. . .

    • DodoTheLaser

      Rand Paul is too old. Hubbs should be 28 by now.
      Ron Paul is scientologists fave politician. But he is way old.
      And Kim Jong Un was born before Hubbaloo got high on Vistaril.

      • Hingle McCringleberry

        I was just joking around, but that brings up a good point- is there any official position on when a thetan picks up a body? Can they jump in the mix later? From what I’ve read, there are some conflicts. I’ve heard of Scns confronting ghosts or whatnot and ordering them to the local hospital to pick up a body. I’ve read the ridiculous ads a la “Grandma just dropped her body, is anyone expecting a child soon? We’d love to have her back with us, blah, blah”. I’ve seen the official videos teaching that the body is a vessel, the mind processes data, but the “you” part is the thetan. So, doctrinally, since Co$ IS a religion- when does the thetan enter the picture? Moment of conception? Point of physical viability apart from mom? Whether you buy into them or not, most serious religions get into really deep discussions, far beyond semantics in a lot of cases. Is there a PL on that or could the Hubster jump into me next Thursday and together we can throw DM down the shaft in the Death Star?

        • DodoTheLaser

          I know you were joking.

          You are asking some very informed questions. And pretty much answering them too.

          Did you ever uploaded those pics from Huston thing? Sorry if I missed it.

          • Hingle McCringleberry

            Good call, been super busy, but here it is. Like I said before, I follow this as sort of an academic super-hobby to the point that my friends either make fun of me or borrow the books and become bunkerites. With the whole CCHR thing, as a former soldier, I got really offended, but I’ve learned enough in life and here not to attack people’s religious beliefs. I draw the line when they’re ripping donations in the name of people who deserve to be well treated for their service, so I made the ad to fit that train of thought. Here it is (refresh). I’ll post again tomorrow with a fuller story.

            ETA- the back of the flyer is a graphic and website for the Wounded Warrior Project, which actually helps service members.

            • DodoTheLaser

              Thank you, good sir. Can’t wait for a fuller story.

        • Techie

          It’s all in History of Man. Except that it doesn’t make logical sense. There is also a “Reality Factor” suggestion that you are supposed to give your dying relatives, but I never heard what it was. Hubbard’s theories are mostly borrowed from other “spiritual” cons like Madame Blavatsky and the whole Bridey Murphy craze, with amphetamine fueled e-meter scouts of pure fantasy for “research”.

      • Eivol Ekdal
  • Pierrot

    *** RED X +–+ RED X +–+RED X +–+ RED X ***
    Good morning Bunkerites.

    If you can spare some time, set disqus to *OLDEST*
    You will find the link to the daily list and alerts/update
    You can now find the links easily and anytime

    Give us your thoughts about this new system

    Ty Ap

  • Krew13

    There’s a horrible rumor doing the rounds that Tom Cruise might have a cameo in Star Wars Episode VII. That would be an absolute fucking travesty. Audiences would be begging for Jar Jar Binks to return rather than watch that prick.

    • DodoTheLaser

      There is now way TC will be in it.

      • Krew13

        Hope you’re right. I think the rumor got traction because JJ Abrams directed Mission Impossible III (the one in which Philip Seymour Hoffman acted him off the screen) and he produced the fourth one.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Cruise’s reps are now denying the rumor. General consensus is that they floated it in the first place, and saw the horrific backlash.

      EDIT: The same story was out there in 2007 when the first “rebooted” Star Trek movie was being made. Tom Cruise was “rumored” to play Capt. Pike. Didn’t happen.

  • Pierrot

    *** RED X +–+ RED X +–+RED X +–+ RED X *** Wednesday the 25th of June

    While we wait for Tony’s next surprise, and if you have some time,
    Today’s List is posted and waiting for your attention.
    Thursday’s push has started early and already CL is flooded with Blues.

    https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-95#post-2467020

    Ty Ap

  • DodoTheLaser

    If this whole OT 8 subject will generate 900 comments, does it mean The Underground Bunker went OT 9?
    Dear scientologists, The Bunker is OT 9. Read on. It’s free.

    • Espiando

      If Anon was still around in force, we’d demand that we go OT Over 9000.

      • DodoTheLaser

        Anon is still around in force. Always. It’s just this job is pretty much done.

    • EnthetaMeter

      Big Drop

      • DodoTheLaser

        Hahahaha! F/N, VGI’s! The Bunker style! Thanks!

        • EnthetaMeter

          The Raspberry Pi inside checks the comment count on Tony’s latest post every 5 minutes. Full scale = 1000. The needle will dip to the left and return for every new comment since last update. New posts are indicated by needle returning to rest (zero). The next step is to put speakers inside to play sound clips for notifications.

          • DodoTheLaser

            Damm.

          • Elar Aitch

            I wants!

    • 0tessa

      OT9: ‘The End of Endless Scientology’.

      • DodoTheLaser

        Ah, the memories, thank you!

        • 0tessa

          :))

      • Mark Foster

        followed by the end of endless regging

    • aquaclara

      I hope we see Tony and Marc’s books by Christmas, too! Right now, I am relishing my newest book-the Complex, John Duignan’s story. Have you read it? It’s off to a gripping good start.

      • DodoTheLaser

        Didn’t read The Complex yet. Thanks for the reminder.

  • DeElizabethan

    Seems to me that the OT8 stuff first delivered was the real Hubbord think and was a disaster, so flim-flam Davey had to change it.

    • Phil McKraken

      What’s funny is that they had to wait for the customers to react to realize that LRH’s late-life lunacy was a tad over the line.

      • DeElizabethan

        Yes, finally the customers realize the scam, eh?

  • NOLAGirl

    I guess I should put on some coffee and make some breakfast. Who wants bacon? :)

    • DeElizabethan

      I’ll join you for some, thanks Nola.

    • shasha40

      BLT for me please ! :)

      • DeElizabethan

        Oh good, tomato a must.

  • Pierrot

    I wish to apologize in advance.
    As Tony’s new post is running late and because of my
    schedule, I have to abandon my watch for the first comment of the day.
    Thus I might have to piggyback on somebody else first comment,
    to anchor the RED X thread.
    Maybe a kind person could *reserve* the space for RED X
    with such a comment
    This first comment thread is reserved for RED X
    Thank you for your understanding.

    • DeElizabethan

      We won’t miss you whenever you get in. Thanks for all the good work you do.

    • And I don’t rent cars!

      Stop worrying about a complaint(s). Do NOT let anyone here interfere with your right to free speech. No one has the authority to tell anyone else here when to post, how often to post, nor where. Do not let the valuable work of the Red X Gang be ghettoized this way!

      If you follow all the “suggestions,” the flagging campaign will lose momentum and new flaggers. The suggestions don’t work. Already interest has lessened because the Red X Gang was forced to the back of the bus or the Bunker basement so to speak. I call that whole incident what it is – utter bullshit.

      My own suggestion? Post away like you folks normally would. We are adults. We know how to collapse a thread if we find a comment thread “annoying.” God knows we have to do it enough with stuff that’s totally irrelevant, if not downright offensive.

      Thank you Aegerprimo, Pierrot, Juicer, and all the other Red X Gang members for your consistent, tireless, and important work. Thank the folks at WWP as well. Tremendous job!

      • lucille austero

        Thanks for all you do :)

        • And I don’t rent cars!

          But the question is Lucille, do I wear pants?

          You’re sweet to say that but compared to everyone else, I do so very, very little. But you wait until I finally get my own brand spanking new computer! I’ll be an out of control flagging maniac. Until then, I can at least be a vocal Red X Gang’s supporter.

          The evidence from the personal stories of former members who were lured into this cult through these type of ads and fliers for free seminars, “free” personality and stress tests, inexpensive dianetic and scientology courses, especially the communication courses, is just overwhelming and impossible to ignore. These stories are repeated over and over throughout the internet and critic sites. My own experience bears this out. This dissemination strategy for luring new public is documented over and over again, from ongoing marketing campaigns as described by former Int Management to 30+ year veterans. Enough is enough!

          Oops! I forgot I’m preaching to the choir. Sorry. I guess I’m still pretty riled up about the extra hoops the Red X Gan is going through after a recent “discussion” here in the Bunker. I’m very slow to burn but once ignited… Oh-oh, pants on fire here! Gotta go.

  • DeElizabethan

    “This is a mistake’ or ‘This is beyond anything even I would have thought of, to now put this on the public.’”
    IMO: only because DM knows the public won’t buy it and he loses money. That’s all he cares about, period.

  • DeElizabethan

    Maybe 1000 will bring a new article?

  • Elar Aitch

    Has the Bunker been invaded by Targs

    • DeElizabethan

      What are Targs? I forgot.

      • Elar Aitch

        They featured in the recording Tony brought us last week of MSH auditing LRH in 1952. Space opera alien* dog creatures

        * Giovanni Ribisi et al deny there are any aliens in Scientology.

  • KNMF

    Anarchy in the OT8?

  • Graham

    Whilst waiting for my daily Bunker ‘fix’ I’ve been doing me some Red-X ing. The guy in Boston targeting non-English speakers is relentless. Do play Boston whack-a-mole if you get a chance.

  • And I don’t rent cars!

    NEW POST UP.

  • Doloras LaPicho

    I’m almost sure that I recently read some indie on a blog comment recently opine that the original preface to OTVIII was actually written by Captain Bill Robertson rather than LRH.

  • http://www.skippress.com/ Skip Press

    When I got involved in 1973 the “grade chart” that explained the whole “Bridge to Total Freedom” listed this result under OT8 – Cause Over Life. I asked someone in the Austin org (I think it was Whit Whittle, who was a Class 8 auditor trained at St. Hill and a dead ringer for Hubbard) what that meant and was told “Just what it says.” The implication was, you could live forever and/or raise the dead. Didn’t work out too well for Elwrong, and my guess is he’ll never achieve his Second Conning.

  • kmadelyn

    Am sure someone mentioned Mike Rinder’s recent reply to a comment on his own site re poor Fishman–where he DA’ed the man quite blatantly–but I think, in all sincerity. It could take people like MR a VERY long time to permit *all* the scales to fall from their eyes, if ever; it’s painful to imagine. Is there a literal 12-steppish program for those who’ve blown the cult, but remain shackled to a lifetime of luggage they can’t bear to examine? What about a Truth & Reconciliation Day?

  • Dave Roland

    It’s easy to believe that this OT8 story is true. Hubbard was involved with Satanists in the late ’40’s and into the 50’s. Crowley & co. They would delight in anything that calls Good-Bad, and vice versa. Crowley (who was a life long worshiper of Satan) practiced some of elements that Hubbard then included in the CO$.

    Oh what a web we weave …. Dave

  • Sexecution

    I would have sunk the Freewinds had I paid $28k for the class only to find out I wasn’t going to be flying around the room, and that Jesus may have enjoyed man-love, had a temper, and L.Ron was the AntiChrist. Because many years later that I actually believe, now AntiChrist Jr is at the helm picking pockets and being a jerk too. Other than being fleeced of money and being sold a bill of bads, the Church was about money not indoctrination camps, and really hurting people as it is under Miscaviage. He genuinely sucks. No one is flying but…ME *** Wheeeeeeeeeeee I’m Flyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyying***

  • Sexecution

    I know if I spent 28k on learning the most valuable secret LRH had in his brain and all I got was that drivel, I would have cried. Really, really hard.

  • flyonthewall

    test 2

  • John Perk

    Only in America,where Crooks like Hubbard and Smith could actually gather a bunch of IDI)ts and milk them out of half a million based on NONSENSE.

  • http://www.prophecy102.com/ Dave Roberts

    This all matches LRH’s background and involvement in Satanism. Since he subscribes to the lies that are Satanism, why should we be surprised to find him calling his enemy, Jesus, a pervert?

    Dave

  • yoichiro michishige

    One thing that many people dont realize about L Ron Hubbard is that the man was born without a penis. I believe it is called agenesis or something like that……. He had testicles but no penis.

    His parents having let him grow up and be raised as a male…without a penis…… well… its not hard to imagine what it could do to a persons mind…….. hence we have L Ron and scientology.

    Hubbards “wife”…. paid schill….. sort of like a homosexual “beard”……. kids…… well… his old lady didnt have anything wrong with her and neither did any of those young men that Ron kept around.

    Scientology……L Ron spending his life trying to exorcise them demons within him that let him be born not even close to being half a man…….. cause without a penis…… you just aint one.

  • Valhalkarie

    So according to LRH the bible predicted the return of the anti Christ because when you have a christ there is always an anti. He was referring to himself,and with his contributions to this planet with light Bering knowlage the,bible prophicy is fulfilled. Dude!!!! He said all this everything,Koran,Talmud,the bible are all implants! so anything in this implanted book is an implant,therefore it could not predict the antichrist,or the positive of this same name. So is LRH an implant,that is holographic??? How can’t anyone see the oxymoronic insanity??!!! I love how it makes me think,how do ppl that actually read every word from not see what I see,just by studying blogs and you tube????? Sad

  • corpus vile

    So we have a powerful private organisation, worth hundreds of millions of dollars founded by an ardent believer/practitioner of black magic who thinks he’s the “Antichrist” and whose religion has wooed Hollywood and whose breakaway faction, The Process Church of the Final Judgement was alleged by some to be a violent criminal “Satanic cult”, and changed its name several times over the years to become the Best Friends Animal Sanctuary, a private organisation that has made millions of dollars in revenue and who woo celebrities…
    *scary music from The Omen blares*

  • annoymous

    People were paying 100s of 1000s of dollars to here that sacrilegious garbage?!