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Statistically Speaking: Jefferson Hawkins Takes Us Into Scientology’s Numbers Fixation

StatisticsJefferson Hawkins was once the top marketing executive for the Church of Scientology and helped it reach its greatest extent with the famous “volcano” TV ads in the 1980s. He’s told his tale of getting into and out of the church with his excellent books Counterfeit Dreams and Leaving Scientology, and he’s helping us understand the upside-down world of Scientology “ethics.”

Jefferson where are you taking us today?

JEFFERSON: This week we’re covering Chapter 3 of Introduction to Scientology Ethics, which deals mostly with statistics. It’s a pretty detailed description of the importance of keeping statistics, exactly how you graph them, and how you determine statistic trends.

THE BUNKER: Anyone who has spent any time around Scientology is well aware of its fixation on weekly statistics. And anyone who has spent any time as a Scientology staff member knows the stress that is associated with Thursday at 2:00pm — the day and time that the “weekly statistics” are turned in. But what does this have to do with the subject of ethics?

JEFFERSON: As a staff member, I never questioned that the subject of statistics would be part of a book on Scientology Ethics, but if you step back for a second, it doesn’t make a lot of sense. Why would you have such a detailed description of how to keep statistics and how to graph statistics in the context of a discussion of ethics, of right and wrong choices in life? What do statistics have to do with ethics at all?

THE BUNKER: It does seem out of place for a book on ethics. So why is it included?

GettingOurEthicsInJEFFERSON: A couple of weeks ago, we were talking about utilitarian ethics, and I mentioned in passing something called “state consequentialism.” Consequentialism, broadly speaking, is the idea that the consequences of one’s actions are the ultimate basis for any judgment about the rightness of that conduct. In other words, the end justifies the means. State consequentialism, according to Wikipedia, is “an ethical theory which evaluates the moral worth of an action based on how much it contributes to the welfare of a state.” Specifically, anything that contributes to the order, material wealth, or population increase of the state is considered “ethical.” That is, anything that contributes to “the stats” of the state.

THE BUNKER: So anything that contributes to Scientology’s stats is considered ethical?

JEFFERSON: Right. Hubbard makes it clear later in the book that the end product of his ethics system is increased statistics. How you get those increased statistics does not matter. A few gems from later chapters:

Ethics actions must parallel the purposes of Scientology and its organizations…The purpose of the organization is to get the show on the road and keep it going. That means production.

We are not in the business of being good boys and girls. We’re in the business of going free and getting the organization products roaring. Nothing else is of any interest then to Ethics but (a) getting tech in, getting it run and getting it run right and (b) getting production up and the organization roaring along.

Therefore, if a staff member is getting production up by having his own statistic excellent, Ethics sure isn’t interested. But if a staff member isn’t producing, shown by his bad statistic for his post, Ethics is fascinated with his smallest misdemeanor.

In short, a staff member can “get away with murder” so long as his statistic is up and can’t “sneeze” without a chop if it’s down…

So I don’t care what men or women do if they just wear their hats and keep their stats up.

So if your statistic is up, you can do no wrong. If your statistic is down, you’re hounded and penalized. Every action is judged only by whether it got the stats up or not. That determines your “Ethics Condition.” I recall this principle being applied at Flag. There was one Registrar who was a known alcoholic. He kept a bottle of booze at his desk. And he carried on a number of affairs with prominent Scientology public. But no one could touch him because he was bringing in the bulk of Flag income. Therefore, he was considered “ethical” no matter what he did.

THE BUNKER: No wonder Scientology staff are fixated on their statistics.

JEFFERSON: It creates a dog-eat-dog environment. I was interested to read a 1995 article in the Wall Street Journal about an attempt to get Hubbard’s “admin tech” implemented at the Allstate Insurance Company. The article, posted on Arnie Lerma’s site, describes what happened when Hubbard’s system of statistics, rewards, and penalties went into effect at Allstate. The article says:

Allstate employees who took the classes say an important, although hardly exclusive, theme of the training was an uncompromising commitment to the bottom line — even if that meant treating poor performers harshly. The course materials warned managers never to be sympathetic to someone whose productivity numbers, or “statistics,” were down…

But the seminars focused mostly on management by statistics, a concept that involved charting income and production on weekly graphs. Employees who produced so-called up statistics weren’t to be questioned, no matter how they behaved…

Workers with declining production had to be investigated immediately, the course taught. “A person with low statistics not only has no ethics protection but tends to be hounded,” the training manual said…

“It allowed management by intimidation. It was vindictive — a way to try to remove people,” Mr. Richardson says. “We would harass agents” by calling them constantly and visiting them repeatedly.

Gee, sounds like every Scientology organization I ever worked for.

So to summarize where we have gotten to in our Ethics book, Hubbard has convinced us that older systems of morals and ethics are worthless, that the only way to survive is to learn his “tech of Ethics.” He has convinced us that concepts of “right” and “wrong” depend on the results of that action. And finally, he has shown us that the only way to measure those results is by statistics — specifically, Scientology’s production statistics.

 
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From a previous Barrack appearance on the program

From a previous Barrack appearance on the program

We Get a Love Letter from Tommy Davis

When our top secret sources let us know that Tommy Davis was in the New York area yesterday, we couldn’t help asking him for a friendly chat.

The former Scientology spokesman was at CNBC’s studios across the Hudson in New Jersey with his new boss, Tom Barrack of Colony Capital. Barrack co-hosted the network’s “Fast Money Halftime Report,” but unfortunately, Tommy himself didn’t appear on camera.

Before the show started, we e-mailed Davis, asking him for a friendly chat while he was in town. He sent us this response:

A) who says I’m in NYC.
B) you’re a delusional, bigoted, hate mongering asshat

Don’t ever email me again.

Awww, Tommy! Well, we sincerely did hope for a friendly chat with the guy who was, from about 2007 to 2010, the face of Scientology. He’s left the Sea Org, moved to Austin, and went to work for Barrack. He’s scheduled to be deposed soon in Monique Rathbun’s harassment lawsuit against Scientology leader David Miscavige.

Come on, Tommy, let’s have a gabfest!

 
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Angry Gay Pope Gets His Day in Court Today

We talked to attorney Graham Berry, who told us that his client Donald Myers — a/k/a Angry Gay Pope — would get his day in court this morning after spending another day in a Los Angeles jail on felony stalking charges and facing $150,000 bail.

Berry tells us that we should get a lot more information today after the court hearing. Pope was arrested Tuesday outside the Hollywood Guaranty Building while he was picketing the Church of Scientology.

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on November 7, 2013 at 07:00

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  • Cat Daddy
    • Narapoid

      Marty then: “These are the SPs we’ve crushed this week.”

      Marty now: “These are the dirty COB secrets exposed in court.”

      • Cat Daddy

        I rather think those stats are phony

        • Narapoid

          As staged as the photo for the then. I stand by the COB secrets exposed for the now.

        • Narapoid

          Darn, I posted to the wrong cool photo…

  • marti

    The Ass Hat ® Study Course. The materials comprising the Ass Hat course contain all of L. Ron Hubbard’s study technology, as contained in his written works and recorded lectures.

    • DamOTclese2

      Ahhoring to Hubbard, Negroes talk to asshats, don’tcha know.

  • Kevin Tighe

    How the word “Scientology” is now positioned by Forbes Magazine:

    The Church Of Climate Scientology: How Climate Science Became A Religion

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/alexepstein/2013/11/07/the-church-of-climate-scientology-rationalizes-some-of-the-worst-policies-in-our-history/

    • IASREG

      I AM NOT A SCIENTOLGIST.

      I HAVE NO CONNECTION TO INDUSTRY.
      Alex Epstein, Contributor
      I write about the environmental benefits of industrial progress.

    • aquaclara

      Thanks for the link. What an apt comparison-scientific beliefs through intimidation.

    • ze moo

      “By this standard, today’s vaunted “climate science consensus”—that it’s been scientifically proven that we need to dismantle the fossil fuel industry, the economic engine of the world—is more Scientology than science. ”

      Nobody takes the wit and wisdom of Lroon seriously. You jokers and degraders…..

    • RMycroft

      It’s amusing that a randroid is tossing scientology as an insult term.

  • Still_On_Your_Side

    Tommy Davis is very stupid, very very stupid. Here is a man who was the media spokesman for the church and he has no knowledge of the media. He just publicly called the world’s foremost blogger on the church, and the editor-in-chief of one of the fastest growing news sites, “an asshat.” Tommy, do you really believe that the rest of the media, like the one your boss flew all the way to NYC to appear on, is going ignore such idiocy? It is so clear you have never worried for one minute where your next dollar is coming from. Not once in your pathetic life. Businesses, like the one you work for, rely on a good public appearance for their existence. If you worked at McDonald’s you would be fired for insulting a customer, perhaps when your “asshat” quote makes its way around the world a few times, you also will find yourself without a job. Or perhaps your boss will simply shake his head and say, “Tommy, all I asked is that you carry my luggage, and get my coffee, is there nothing you can do right?”

  • koki

    Eclipse asked…here it is

    intro….

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AqgLzqIg6E

    full movie…

    http://thepiratebay.sx/torrent/4093016/The_Profit_(2001).avi

    and , where are my down-votes for today…?

  • jmh

    Hey all… thought I’d repost the link to Craigslist Slaying that I posted last night.

    http://tonyortega.org/2013/10/09/anonymous-and-craigslist-proof-that-scientology-knows-its-under-attack/#comment-1112093394

  • Cutie Cult Eyes

    Tommy’s response blows my mind. Does he not realize that emails don’t go away – did he think his “asshat” comment (which is the douch-iest insult I’ve ever heard, let alone seen in writing) would remain private? Or does he really not care how he comes across? So very strange.
    I KNOW Tommy had to star rate the policy letter about Manners if he grew up in $cn. Bad Manners, Tommy – you look ridiculous. I hope his new boss has a google alert out on him and gets to see this blog post.
    It never fails to astound me how hypocritical members of the church can be. They preach all this shit, and when it comes down to it – once the final land is drawn in the sand – they throw out their own beliefs. What ever happened to two-way comm, human rights, the right to utter freely on any topic, respect for integrity, the code of honor, creed of a scientologist. I think it’s because that stuff is all the PR stuff – added after the fact, to disguise the fact that this is a cold war era crazy crazy philosophy where you react and attack. React and attack.
    Gross.

    • Narapoid

      Maybe he thought it would buy some points with the little savage.

      • marti

        Perhaps Tommy’s brusque, Scientology response to Tony’s e-mail was so as to not have DM think they were in daily jovial correspondence.

  • rayana00

    Not deterred, the pit-bull lawyer continued to interrogate Cruise, specifically about why he could fly to London for 24 hours on October 14 to attend a Scientology event, the annual International Association of Scientology conference, but not make a similar visit to Suri.

    “It was an important event,” said Cruise. “I felt it was important.”

    Charged McNamara, “Based upon this, you could fly from the East Coast (of the United States) to London for 24 hours. Is that right?

    “In that situation, yes,” responded Cruise.

    “But you didn’t do it for Suri… isn’t that right?” the lawyer probed

    http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2013/11/tom-cruise-suri-dad-lawsuit-videotaped-deposition/
    ASSHOLE

    • IASREG

      Mr. Tom Cruise has every right to exercise his religion and disconnect from that PTS Suri! Suri is connected to a known Suppressive Person, Katie Holmes. Tom Cruise is the most dedicated Scientologist in the world so he will confront and shatter them by disconnecting. If he does not he is a PTS.

  • My, Tommy certainly is overly critical and nattery about Tony isn’t he? That would indicate that he has massive overts and withholds against Tony. Hey Tommy-boy, what are your crimes?

    • Narapoid

      LOLOL Applying the tech, funny the cherch can’t.

    • Observer

      Why, crimes of nattery asshattery, of course

      • Oh that is such an awesome turn of phrase Observer! There’s a Dr. Seuss book in there somewhere.

  • Ruby Grapefruit

    “You’re a delusional, bigoted, hate mongering asshat” — takes one to know one!

  • NOLAGirl

    I’m in and out today folks….Any word on AGP or the City of Clearwater??

    • i-Betty

      Not yet love, I keep coming back to check, too. x

      • NOLAGirl

        I’m doing the same. 🙂 ((hugs))

        • stillgrace2

          I’m also feeling a deep need for resolution on the AGP matter. I’m sure Tory (bless her heart) will post an update here as soon as she hears something. Fingers crossed.

        • stillgrace2

          From ten minutes ago, Smurf at exscn:
          “It’s 11:05 here in Los Angeles & Graham is still in Criminal Court. Anyone that has been to a court in Los Angeles knows that things move very slowwwwwwwwly..”

  • RabidMcSavage

    Tommy, Tommy tommy tommy…….
    You just let everyone at the Bunker know that you are here every day, reading Tony’s blog! And you put to rest the question we were all asking which was: “Is he still in or out?”

    Poor Tommy, even though being in has caused him to lose his marbles more than once he still remains a bot for DM to kick around.

  • Tom Morton

    Hello,

    Long-time lurker out from the shadows because I just had to ask:

    Is the Ka Khan (sp?) Fishman and others refer to unofficial “verbal” tech, or actually present in a HCOB or PL? Did not see any mention of this hands-off ethics status below, but read of it in Fishman’s book and on message board(s) somewhere.

    • i-Betty

      I can’t answer your question I’m afraid, but I wanted to welcome you anyway 🙂

    • Ruby Grapefruit

      It’s in the “admin” dictionary, “Modern Management Technology Defined”. Kha Khan.

    • Anonymous

      Tom Morton,

      The quote from Hubbard:

      “When people do start reporting a staff member with a high statistic, what you investigate is the person who turned in the report. In an ancient army a particularly brave deed was recognized by an award of the
      title of Kha-Khan. It was not a rank. The person remained what he was, BUT he was entitled to be forgiven the death penalty ten times in case in the future he did anything wrong. That was a Kha-Khan. That’s what producing, high-statistic staff members are – Kha-Khans. They can get away with murder without a blink from Ethics…. And Ethics must recognize a Kha-Khan when it sees one – and tear up the bad report chits on the person with a yawn.”

      Hubbard Communications Office, HCOPL 1 Sep 1965, “Ethics Protection”.

      Whether the story Hubbard told is true or not, Kha-Khan protection was bullshit in Scientology. More than a few that were awarded the status (and plaque to go with it) were eventually RPF’d or worse.

      It is all just part of the role playing game of Scientology.

      • Missionary Kid

        It seems as if role playing is really all that there is to $cientology.
        Examples are the multiple grandiose titles given, the fake navy uniforms, the switching of jobs, the awards and rank and grades that give status that are all over the place, which can be given or withdrawn at a moments notice based on the whims of DM or a person above another in rank.

  • Sarah James

    Sticks and stones Tommy boy and if the asshat fits Tommy borrow from Krusty.

  • aquaclara

    This interview today with Jefferson is remarkable. I’ve worked in business for over 25 years, analyzing statistics, setting goals, writing strategic plans and sales plans. I’ve trained and coached people in dozens of different classes. And I have never seen the faulty mess of misintentioned stats like this. This analysis of stats in ethics, combined with a road trip back to the 1990s in the Allstate story, documents how easy it is for a single individual with a lack of ethics to come in and spread harm in a company. It’s all pretty horrifying. Arnie, thank you for that link.

    There are so many obvious management misses in this Allstate story, and just look at the impact on employees-completely devoid of any sensitivity or care. Good companies recognize that employees are their best assets, and try hard to keep this thinking at the top of their thinking. Allstate didn’t do that. Of course, Scientology doesn’t, either.

    In LRH’s world of ethics, there is no analysis, just charts. Even flawed analyses would hold up better than none at all, since there may be nugget that might still be correct. Here in Hubbardland, nada.

    I love the irony of this article appearing on Stat Thursday. I mean, is there a better example of meaningless stats in action than the continual drama of the Scientology stat week?

  • CharlieWaters

    “You’re a delusional, bigoted, hate mongering asshat.” Yikes. I was hoping spending some time away from COB would help to clear Tommy’s head a bit. Guess I was a little delusional with that hope.

  • DamOTclese2

    “Don’t ever subpoena me again! Asshat!” — Tommy Davis

  • i-Betty

    I take it you’ve already seen Tom Cruise’s deposition testimony? I might be late with this one but I only just stumbled across it: http://amradaronline.files.wordpress.com/2013/11/tom-cruise-depo_redacted.pdf

    • aurora50

      I am surprised at how well he holds up…that must have been grueling…one certainly gets a good picture of his discipline and dedication, the features that have always been admirable in him…so confusing!

    • Sherbet

      Did you notice how many times he uses a singular verb with a plural noun, such as “There is different agreements…”? I’m going to chalk it up to tension, and not illiteracy. Poor Tom, I’ll give you this: you really did go through with your suit instead of blustering and threatening like Bert Fields.

      • i-Betty

        Yes, I was astonished, but I noticed that even the counsel for the magazines did it occasionaly which makes me wonder whether we all bluster a little under pressure without realising? It’s mad to see it all laid out word-perfect on the page.

    • Aslansown

      I have to agree with one of the commenters who said that if he’d just left this all alone, people would have already forgotten about the story. Now he’s making things public like the terms of his divorce, the role of scientology in the divorce, etc. that would never have come out.

      • ze moo

        When lawyers first asked Cruise about claims that Holmes divorced him “in part to protect Suri from Scientology,” he lashed back.

        “Listen, I find that question offensive,” he exploded, according to a 36-page deposition transcript
        obtained by RadarOnline.com. “I find it, those statements offensive. Like with any relationship, there are many different levels to it. You know, I, I find it very offensive. There is no need to protect my daughter from my religion.”

        You can’t handle the truth! If there ever was an asshat, it is Cruise.

  • Anonymous

    I love the insights of Jefferson Hawkins. He is just so damn smart, calm and knowledgeable. His first-person experience with the beast of Scientology at the very senior levels gives him credibility that few others can match.

    This is an old cliche, but it’s relevant in this discussion of Hubbard’s efforts to conflate “ethics” with “statistics.”

    And it goes like this:

    “Figures don’t lie, but liars can figure.”

    The origin of this bromide is uncertain, but more information is here:

    http://quoteinvestigator.com/2010/11/15/liars-figure/

  • Aslansown

    I had totally forgotten about that Allstate situation. I worked at the headquarters during that time (not in sales) and remember being horrified when I heard about it since I knew something about scientology at the time. I don’t remember too much about it, but I think we got a memo from Choate beginning with “You may have read…..but…” (we got a lot of those).

  • DamOTclese2

    Negroes talk to asshats:

    Actually, have you ever noticed how a Negro, in particular down south, where they’re pretty close to the soil, personifies MEST? The gate post and the wagon and the whip and anything around there. An asshat — they talk to ’em, you know. “Wassa madda wit you, asshat?” They imbue them with personality. — L. Ron Hubbard, “Therapy” section of Technique 80 (“Route to Infinity” tapes), Part I, a lecture given on 21 May 1952

    Looks like Tommy is merely carrying on Hubbard’s racist buffoonery.

    • Sibs

      Oh my god, is that supposed to be a Southern accent too? On top of his trying to “talk black”? UGH! And he calls himself a writer!

      • Robert Eckert

        Hey, wanna hear Hubbard’s Virginia accent again?

        “Ah won’ go!” he said. “Ever’ tahm ah leave heah, Sweeney, if only fo’ one term, ah come back an’ fin’ mah pigs ahl in neglec’ an’ pinin’ away. You tell them fo’ks to jus’ go away.”

        “They got guns, Dick,” said Sweeney.

        “Guns!” cried the boy, leaping bolt upright. “Git away f’m heah with guns! You ma’ht shoot a pig!”

        The Countess Krak moved smoothly in. “I’d better handle this,” she said. “Nobody is going to shoot your pigs.”

        “Whoosh!” said the boy, staring at her round-eyed. “Who be you? A angel or somethin’? Hey, who be this, Sweeney? Wow, she’s pretty enough to be a pig!”

        Mission Earth, Part 46, Chapter 5, thanks to Nathan Jacobsen at http://missionspork.blogspot.com/

        • NeverIn

          O. M. G.

          • Sherbet

            Talk about bigotry and hate-mongering…

        • DamOTclese2

          Good gods! And Hubbard got paid to write stuff. Amazing.

          • Once_Born

            “Mission Earth” was first published in 1985 by ‘Bridge Publications’ after which ‘Galaxy Press’ took over.

            ‘Bridge publications’ is a well known Scientology organisation, so it is doubtful if anyone did pay him to write it. It was probably a self-published vanity project (and first in a series of ten terrible volumes).

            The New York Times called it,

            “[…] a paralyzingly slow-moving adventure enlivened by interludes of kinky sex, sendups of effeminate homosexuals and a disregard of conventional grammar so global as to suggest a satire on the possibility of communication through language.”

            The CofS {promoted} “Mission Earth” into best-seller lists by giving Scientologists money (that’s a first) so that they could buy copies from bookshops (which were returned to stock). Some booksellers were subsequently puzzled when ‘new’ copies were provided which already had their price tag attached.

            “Mission Earth” is now published by ‘Galaxy Press’, which was formed by the CofS to:
            1) promote “L Ron Hubbard Presents: Writers of the Future”, a Science Fiction “Award” which serves as yet another Scientology front designed to promote Hubbard as a {Great Writer}
            2) Reissue Hubbard’s fiction, including his pulp stories.
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galaxy_Press

            If you examine the list of Hubbard’s pulp fiction which they reissue, the names of Kevin J Anderson and Dave Wolverton sometimes appear below Hubbard’s. These are respectable, published authors who have presumably been paid to rewrite some works so that they appear marginally literate.

            Finally, the ‘Galaxy Press’ website http://www.galaxypress.com/ includes a hilarious video promotion praising, “L Ron Hubbard’s writing style” to the skies, complete with all the hallmarks of a CoS presentation (including actors reading from a script, too-loud ‘musical’ backgound, bad English and cheesy graphics).

            Scientology. It’s always worse than you think.

            • Robert Eckert

              “It was probably a self-published vanity project (and first in a series of tenterrible volumes).” The passage cited is from the sixth of those terrible volumes. The sporker is plodding through the ninth of them now.

        • Sibs

          “Who be you?” “Who be this?” Does ANYBODY talk like that, let alone people in Virginia?!

          • Mooser

            I guess it was too much to ask of L Ron to, if he wanted to do that type of dialect, read some Mark Twain.

            • Sibs

              I get very offended when people try to speak Southern and have no idea what they’re talking about. Especially when I found it happens a lot outside of the South.

          • ze moo

            Ron never could get the hang of yoda speak.

      • DamOTclese2

        I always wondering how anyone could listen to that droning voice, the abject stupidity coming out of his fat mouth and be able to stand listening to it.

        • ThetaBara

          I’ve determined that the answer to that one is most likely hypnotic suggestion. The thing that got me down this rabbit hole in the first place was having to satisfy “but how could anyone believe this stuff?” for myself. At that point it was too late and I was fascinated.

        • Mooser

          “I always wondering how anyone could listen to that droning voice, the
          abject stupidity coming out of his fat mouth and be able to stand
          listening to it.”

          If I thought my ambitions would be satisfied along with his, and I felt myself unlikely to be the victim of a spite attack, and the pelf (otherwise known as moolah) was rolling in like breakers at Big Sur, and I was pretty sure that if anybody took the fall, it wouldn’t be me, I might be able to stand it. I’d just lie back and think of Big Sur,

  • Seannie5

    Has this been posted? In today’s Daily Mail http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2489172/Exclusive-pictures-secret-Californian-Scientology-base-Shelly-Miscavage-lives.html
    Tommy Davis is a colossal loser. HAHAHA!

    • Sunny Sands

      Those are beautiful pictures and show just how hidden CST Twin Peaks is in the forest.

      • RMycroft

        MailOnlinespoke exclusively to ex-Church member Dylan Gill, who oversaw the building of the base reveals all its secrets.

        I guess they mean that no one else was in the room at the time.

        Scientology’s Secret Vaults: A Rare Interview With a Former Member of Hush-Hush “CST” February 6, 2012, Tony Ortega, Runnin’ Scared, Village Voice
        Scientology’s Secret Ranch: Where LRH Will Reincarnate? February 16, 2012, Tony Ortega, Runnin’ Scared, Village Voice
        Scientology vaults

        • aquaclara

          They missed the credits back to Tony, other than on the photos. Despite this, I love to laugh at pictures of space craft landing pads in a religion that believes in aliens, posted again for all to see. Oh, and building an office and house for the fearless but dead leader, in case he needs it some day.

          It should be an easy standard to meet: delusional religions should not be granted tax exemptions.

    • DamOTclese2

      Hey, does the Daily Fail have the fing RANK! to post that information?

    • Sidney18511

      After reading that article I have come to the conclusion that DM really, really, really LOVES to spend money. Other peoples money. Now that’s an asshat!

      • marti

        Yes, DM’s { congregation’s } money.

      • Interested

        I’d like to do that too…. Should I start a religion? (Chortle)

      • joan nieman

        Clever one Sidney!

  • Jgg2012

    The Pope once forgave the man who tried to assassinate him. It is too bad that Tommy can’t show a little more class toward his critics.

  • skippress

    Melanie Seidler, a Class 8 auditor who grew up in a $cientology family, told me about visiting with Hubbard once in the 70s when he was raising prices 10% per month. He asked her if there was anything he could do to help people she was in contact with. She replied with some trepidation that people were kind of upset about the prices going up so much. He grinned and showed her statistical charts of income on the wall. “See those stats?” he said, pointing at the charts. “I’m not changing anything!” Which explains him – driven only and always completely by greed and his own aggrandizement. About that time I wrote most of the business letters for Celebrity Centre in Los Angeles and headed the Dept. of Procurement. I used my own portable Olivetti typewriter and made a carbon copy of every letter I wrote, to put in the file we had on every person who’d ever purchased a book or service. One week I wrote 1368 letters, over 200 a day (6-day work week), and I thought well, there should be a level of achievement with ethics “conditions formulas” calculated from that. Nope, I was told, next week you have to write more. This was the insane “logic” of $cientology. Years later I discovered that Flag auditors got a special Flag Order about their “well-done auditing hours” production. A new ethics condition was added for them. Normally the top condition was Power, but for highly productive Flag auditors the condition of Control was added by Hubbard. In other words, only for those people at that place in all the universe, was there a completely separate condition of existence. This was the total insanity of L. Ron Hubbard.

    • Deimos

      Yikes !
      I really can’t read the comments today, this is such a totally evil part of hubbardism that it could hurt my eyes. Such a complete reversal of genuine ethical behaviour that it actually chills the soul.

      I am at a loss for words.

  • Sunny Sands

    Tent Watchers’ Update This is a picture of the driveway next to Big Top #1. The brown things look like baskets or lockers. There was surveying work going on in the area, and it also looks like they are going to replace the patio stones at the entrance to Mecca, maybe put in a design. Sorry the is pic is skewed.

    • palmas74

      where they are going to put the 300 portable restrooms they will need for 10,000 people?

      • Observer

        That’s what all those new palm trees are for.

      • DamOTclese2

        Yeah, it’s gonna look like Woodstock in there shortly. Sure it will. 🙂 Makes Tommy happy, real happy.

        • palmas74

          OMG the smell

          • USA MRIID

            Should be an improvement, actually.

      • Sunny Sands

        I keep thinking that they will have to rent port-o-lets, or else people would have to walk across the street to Mecca to use the facilities. Few things are worse in life than using a port-o-let, add to that wearing a long evening gown .

        • palmas74

          No the Mecca facilities nor flag have the capacity for 10,000 people wanted to pee at break time.

          • Sunny Sands

            Wiki says the new building has 42 bathrooms. You have to climb a steep set of steps to enter from the tent side. The main entrance is handicapped friendly, but it’s a longer walk.

            • palmas74

              thanks for the info

            • Mooser

              I stick by my analysis, Little Davey was the only one who could approve the lavatory plans, and write the check, but the staff are scared to bother him with such a crappy detail, so to speak.
              They better not do it in the street. That’s a health hazard, and illegal in a couple of ways.

        • Miss Tia

          Wait, shouldn’t their SUPER POWERS allow them to control those things! 🙂 No need for bathrooms, right??

          • DamOTclese2

            That’s what Hawkeye told Radar O’Reilly, that when people become officers they stop going to the bathroom, and when they retire the officers explode. 🙂

          • Mooser

            Usually, it’s State and local law that controls those thing, max occupancy, number of bathrooms and stuff. But as we’ve seen, they do pretty much what they want.
            I’ve been wondering about the bathroom thing ever since the tent went up.

            • Miss Tia

              Yep, they can do whatever they want!!

        • Aslansown

          There are actually very super deluxe ones that look like high-end home bathrooms. Here’s a link to the ones at Chelsea Clinton’s wedding. I love the title of the article: Chelsea Clinton’s Porta-Potties Nicer Than Your Apartment

          http://gothamist.com/2010/07/27/chelsea_clintons_porta-johns_nicer.php#photo-1

          • Casabeca

            I love this!
            I figured Davey would tell ’em to hold it.

            • Aslansown

              The sad truth is those Porta-Potties ARE nicer than my apartment!!!

        • Missionary Kid

          First, there won’t be 10,000 people. Maybe 2-3000, (just a guess) and many will be staff or sea org if enough Scions don’t show. There are trailers that can be rented that have portable toilets aboard to cover the need for whales and publics. I imagine that sea org and staff will have porta-potties stashed a distance away.

    • DamOTclese2

      I’m sure the City of Clearwater is keeping track of how many days these fing Scientology crooks are breaking the law, is any Bunkerite keeping score?

      • Free Minds, Free Hearts

        I thought I read somewhere that the fines don’t start until the Planning Commission meets Nov 20 – does anyone else recall this? At the time it seemed very clear to me that they just have to wait until after their first event, go to the commission meeting (or not), and basically blow the whole thing off.

    • Truthiwant

      Is that a Sea org member in the photo? And is the photo skewed because you were hiding your camera next to your handbag or something so that you would not be spotted photographing the tent?!!

      This is a great real time action photograph. Thanks for these daily updates. They are great fun!

      • Sunny Sands

        Thanks. I’m in my car driving so unfortunately it’s crooked. I’m not really that close, it’s just cropped. It looks like a sea org to me. Every day now, a man is posted there. This entrance is blocked off with cones, so maybe he is letting the authorized trucks in. The other entrance now has the 3rd tent in it so can’t be accessed.

        • Sibs

          Be careful, Sunny!

          • Once_Born

            Indeed – be careful what you reveal – I thought you were shooting from a passing car, but felt it best not to comment.

            If your camera shoots video at a good resolution, you could disguise it and fasten it so as to shoot through a window. Then you could extract still images afterwards – more pictures, and no chance of being spotted with camera in hand.

            BTW: I greatly appreciate your unique updates too.

        • Truthiwant

          I love these updates. They are beamed all over the world almost at the same time as you take them! Much to Mr. DM’s annoyance!

    • aquaclara

      Fabulous, Sunny. wow.

    • Mark

      Those brown things have me puzzled: they can’t be too solid, because the tops aren’t straight. If they butt right up against the tent, they could be trellis-pattern fences – but to keep what or who in or out? They also seem to coincide with where some of the doors were earlier on. Maybe they’re the money-baskets for when the merciless regging starts? Shortarse should have gone to this firm in Ohio for those:

      • Robert Eckert

        It puts the money in the basket, or else it does the Bridge again.

      • Once_Born

        “Those brown things” may be the air conditioning / generator units that we have seen earlier, complete with added soundproofing.

        Wonder what the (warning?) sign on the end says.

        • Sunny Sands

          They have those signs all around the tents saying “private property” and “keep out”.

          • Once_Born

            {How very… ecclesiastical}.

        • Mark

          Ah, the mystery is resolved! That does look like soundproofing.

      • IASREG

        Yogi Bear is ultra jelly and super excited!

        • Mark

          “Pic-a-nic baskets may be delicious on the lips, but they’re a lifetime on the hips!”

    • DeElizabethan

      Could they be port-o-pots ready to be places somewhere but covered so can’t be seen now?

    • Elen

      I never get tired of you pics or saying, Thank you! You rock!! XO

      • Sunny Sands

        Thanks!

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      Thank you Sunny!!

  • Sidney18511

    Any news about the AGP? Karen’s videos are doing so much damage the midget is going for blood.

    • Robert Eckert

      There is a post a little ways down from 11-something AM (=2PM in the east) that the courts in Los Angeles were still taking their sweet time getting to his case. He’s in with every other person picked up for whatever-whatever in the last couple days, all the cases called for 9AM and attended to whenever-whenever.

    • ThetaBara

      I’m expecting an update on the fb group and will post if I see anything. Right now people are saying that he views getting arrested as a win and being the most arrested protester as a badge of honor. FWIW. Personally I do not touch the building and would never dream of opening the door. But I still think they are being heavy handed with him. It will be interesting to see what happens next. It’s also helpful to remember what long time protesters have had to deal with, like bullbaiting, being followed etc. Things are really different now.

  • Narapoid

    I looked as best I could for a posting on this stats duplicity:

    Per {Source} the only stats that matter for $cio are: New auditors and happy public (PCs). Those stats have crashed so long they don’t talk about it. DM will talk about miles of printings and acres under roof and anything but what the Master Cultist laid out.

    The folks that point this out (old timers) are ethics hammered and Declared.

    The cherch will not apply its own policy and reveal Little Nero to be the Greatest SP of all time.

    Take care pilgrims!

  • woodrose

    Does anyone ever leave Scientology because their conscience will not allow them to abuse people as required?

    I’ve only been reading about Co$ for a month or so. I’ve read several stories of people leaving the cult, detailing the abuses they were subjected to. But I’ve realized that I’ve not seen stories of abuses people perpetuated that might be heavy on their conscience.

    Does anyone ever leave because they can’t stand harassing people to take out mortgages on their homes to buy Scientology courses? Or because they couldn’t abide being asked to care for 12 SeaOrg infants, knowing it was impossible to provide good care to all of them? Or because they could not tolerate being asked to yell at 12 year olds who were tired from working 100 hour weeks and had fallen down on the job?

    It does appear that Scientology obliterates people’s compassion and empathy for their fellow humans. I just wonder how it could possibly be 100% effective. If a Scientologist badgers someone into taking out a mortgage to buy auditing, then the mark loses their house and commits suicide, does the Scientologist really just shrug, no big deal? Not an ethics problem, since Scientology got their dollars?

    It’s really tough for me to imagine so many people acting so cruelly, while patting themselves on the back for being ‘the most ethical people on the planet.’ Utter insanity.

    • Narapoid

      Here’s one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-IoOe5Lx8w

      Welcome to the rabbit hole woodrose!

      • woodrose

        Thank you for the link!

        And thank you for the welcome. This is not the most pleasant rabbithole I’ve ever explored, but it’s great to hear from / read about people who care passionately about cult victims.

        I’m here because of Leah Remini– I’m a DWTS fan, and started looking into Co$ to understand her situation, and why were people on DWTS boards calling her the bravest woman they knew? Now I understand. A bit.

        • NOLAGirl

          Welcome Woodrose. I’m so glad you decided to speak out. I’m a never in and was a newbie to this board. Everyone has been warm and welcoming. There is not always agreement here, but there is always respect. The things you will find out about Scientology are horrible, but by just looking…you’re becoming one of the aware. Wishing you the best, and again welcome.

        • ThetaBara

          Welcome. This got me into DWTS, heh. I think Leah also left not only because of poor treatment she received but because of what she saw happening around her. I sure hope she really is writing a book. BTW feel free to ask questions. The rabbit hole is vast and there are a lot of knowledgeable folks here.

          • woodrose

            Thanks for the welcome. i also hope that Leah writes the tell-all book to end all tell-all books. I felt so sorry for her when I learned she had been brought into the cult as a child.

            I think I will go back to being a reader here. Disqus has me beat — I can’t figure out how to follow conversations or get it to display the entire thread in order.

            Thanks again! to all who replied

        • Sibs

          I got here because of Leah too (back when she left Scientology in July). She’s a freakin’ badass for everything she’s done to speak out since, including DWTS. And I don’t think I would’ve found this blog otherwise and learned about all of this.

        • aquaclara

          Welcome. If you’re interested, each of Tony’s postings at the Bunker is here on the site – it makes for fascinating reading and a tremendous education. Before the Bunker, Tony posted every day at the Village Voice, and again, every article is cited with links back.
          When I found this, I was lost for days just catching up on what had been happening.

      • sugarplumfairy

        =(

        • Narapoid

          Y =(? Whaddi miss?

          • sugarplumfairy

            This is Hy Levy.. He was a friend of Tory’s.. He died recently I think..

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kbhi3X6lM0&sns=em

            • Narapoid

              I looked as best I could for a posting on this stats duplicity:

              Per {Source} the only stats that matter for $cio are: New auditors and happy public (PCs). Those stats have crashed so long they don’t talk about it. DM will talk about miles of printings and acres under roof and anything but what the Master Cultist laid out.

              The folks that point this out (old timers) are ethics hammered and Declared.

              [edit] I checked Mike’s blog and found a little [HUGE] something to go with this post: http://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-commandos-have-landed-in-jobur/

              The cherch will not apply its own policy and reveal Little Nero to be the Greatest SP of all time.

              Take care pilgrims!

            • sugarplumfairy

              Oh, I know.. It’s a great video.. I wasn’t criticizing.. It just made me sad to see him.. Co$ seems to have snagged so many nice people and then influenced them to do so many questionable things..

            • Narapoid

              Yes it does Sugarplumfairy. It takes the best intentions of a soul and turns it into weapon against them and others. This Cult is flying apart, but not fast enough for those of us watching it.

              Free the Pilgrims!

    • Sunny Sands

      Your is a point others have pointed made. Some of the most senior Co$ blew because they themselves were treated badly.
      There was an interview done with Hy Levy in “The Money Machine” series by the Tampa Bay Times. He was a “reg”, the person who gets you to max everything out for courses. Interestingly, even after leaving, several scientologists said he was a nice person. He died not long after his interview. He said his biggest regret was allowing his job to come before his dying mother.

    • 3feetback-of-COS

      When you are in the middle of it, you honestly believe you are doing good overall. Thats how they justify it.

    • Mooser

      “Does anyone ever leave Scientology because their conscience will not allow them to abuse people as required?”

      I’m sure it happens all the time. Why wouldn’t it? There are good people everywhere who make mistakes. And Scientology isn’t exactly “open” or “forthcoming” about what actually goes on in there.

      • Mooser

        And if I’m not mistaken, while the money-grubbing is general, the most egregious human rights offenses take place within the upper administration, and/or that “SEA-Org” or WTF it is. So the ordinary, average, Scientologist (now there’s a thought…) may not be aware of it.

        If I may be so bold to suggest it as a course for others, which I’m not, it quickly became apparent (okay, glacially slowly, actually) that looking for either an essential difference or flaw in people who get involved with Scientology, or a reason to condemn them, find them lacking in some essential human quality, is only good for driving yourself (or rather, myself) nuts, and eventually making a regrettable comment, or several. I take them at their own description; people who have made a mistake, and that mistake is just one of the plethora, the veritable panoply of mistakes available in this day and age. And I really can’t pat myself on the back (not at my age) for not having made that particular mistake, when so many more suitable mistakes are available to me. A man can make only so many mistakes in a lifetime, and I’m doing my best!

        • Sidney18511

          mooser….the dude just asked a reasonable question. Why you felt the need to twist it into an offensive pretzel remark leaves me clueless.

          • Sibs

            I thought he was just making a general comment. Things have been pretty tense in here.

            • Robert Eckert

              The troll invasion appears to have been successfully repelled. However we have taken some casualties: Thidney, Howdy, KJP, PTBA, subgenius, etc. have not been seen of late.

            • Sibs

              I miss KJP. I was thinking about him today because Stanford is playing UO tonight…

            • Mooser

              “some casualties: Thidney, Howdy, KJP, PTBA, subgenius, etc. have not been seen of late”

              That is too bad. How did it come to that?

            • Robert Eckert

              I don’t know. I hope they all return.

          • Mooser

            Really, Sidney? “Offensive”? The suggestion that people can make all kinds of mistakes and bad choices, and Scientology is one among them?
            It is not my intent to be “offensive” Would you mind quoting the “offensive” part of the comment. Of course, if it’s just generally offensive to you in some vague or ill-defined manner, welcome to the club! That’s how I effect most people. You’ll learn to get used to it.

          • You might have read that wrong. He was saying that while he’s been searching for a particular character flaw that causes people to get involved in Scientology, there most likely isn’t one.

            We are all guilty of making mistakes, it just so happens that some people make the mistake of joining Scientology. While others make the mistake of doing heroin or Amway or Avon or Bernie Madoff.

            • Mooser

              And the more I read about it, the more I just accept that circumstances, conditions, have a lot to do with it. And, to be fair, Scientology, whenever it has the resources, aggressively pursues potential members, don’t they? So if there’s any possible way to get you to make that mistake, they’ll help you find it.

            • Yeah they are VERY aggressive. I have been in the room when one of those sales pitches is going on. People scream, cry, throw a fit, all kinds of stuff. It’s insane.

            • Mooser

              If you were loaded with the stuff in sackfuls, or a celebrity, wouldn’t they make an extra, personal effort, to get you on board? That “love-bombing” stuff? The point is, there’s no essential flaw or shortcoming which makes a person a Scientologist, and under the right circumstances, almost anybody could make a mistake like that. And mistakes can be corrected, only a few mistakes are really irrevocable. (like killing somebody, that’s irrevocable) Any other way of thinking about it gets too negative for me.

            • Or spending millions of dollars. You know they ain’t getting that back.

            • Mooser

              Lotta real estate, a whole lot, and some nice buildings. It’d sure help make a lot of refunds, or a fund for the survivors.

            • ze moo

              The clams used to have good salesmen. The so called golden era was the 60’s and 70’s. Lron cut out the mission holders in 81 and has slowly cut everyone else out the commission pie. There is no incentive to get new meat these days, at least no financial ones for the recruiter. Throw in all for forewarning any one who uses the internet gets and you have to wonder why any one joins the clams.

            • Mooser

              “The so called golden era was the 60’s and 70’s.”

              Your cui bono-based insights covering the long-term changes in Scientology expose a lot about it.

        • It’s called the fundamental attribution error. Something which everyone here, you and me included, are guilty of making.

          • Mooser

            It’s a very tempting error to make, as I’m sure you know, and I think we should guard against making it. But each new revelation, or review, of Scientology’s offenses offers a chance for that kind of speculation. I think it’s good to try and not fall into it.

            • It’s human nature. Virtually unavoidable. That’s the whole “step back and breathe” thing. So that you can reevaluate your perception of the person.

            • Mooser

              When human nature fails me, as it does on a regular basis, ( bi-weekly) I try to draw upon the reserves of stoicism, compassion and empathy that a bountiful nature has endowed the ungulates with in such abundant quantities. Sometimes it works.

    • You’re begging the question, “Who leaves Scientology in the first place?” Your question implies that people who committed abuse have left.

      A lot of the people still in the church are some of the primary abusers. The most abusive ones who are gone either fell ill (not surprising for a type A personality) or were ejected against their will (M&M).

      The reason you don’t see many stories coming from the people who committed the abuse is two fold:

      1) Many of the most abusive people are still in
      2) People don’t like to admit that they fucked up–well at least the ones who have left don’t like to admit it.

      I have openly admitted to my own abusive actions. Fortunately they weren’t nearly as horrific as the ones committed on me.

      There are plenty of ex-Scientologists who were abusive to other Scientologists. For example, in my case I was subjected to daily abuse from 40 or 50 different people. Each one of those people may have not done anything horrific, but when you add it up in a 24 hour period it stacks on. The resulting effect on me is magnified, but the actual abusive actions are spread out.

      Basically what I am saying is that even if all 50 people that abused me were to speak out and admit the abuse they committed, it would never seem as horrific as if you were being abused by all 50 of those people at once.

      • ze moo

        Lroon tried to instill a military like mindset on the clampire. One very common trick in military basic training is to pick out someone in each barracks (company, squadron, whatever) and constantly pick on them. Make them the example of a screw up and the others toe the line. I call this method discipline and motivation by bad example, I am sure the military has another name.

        Watch the first part of ‘Full Metal Jacket’ to see how this method sometimes ends.

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hkNuykz2RE

        • IASREG

          Uh-oh. I think this young man may be having a major malfunction.

        • In all seriousness, ‘Full Metal Jacket’ was a movie. I’ve met a great number of soldiers and sailors. They’re good people.

      • woodrose

        Thanks for the reply. You make a very good point – likely the people who enjoy abusing others are still in the cult.

        Congrats to you on your escape. Best wishes for a full recovery.

  • Fremdscham

    Question for those familiar with/have worked for a WISE business: Is an Org Board a dead giveaway to a newcomer that a business is run by a Scientologist?

    I ask because many many moons ago I had a bizarre experience with attempting to get a job at a small temporary staffing company in the Bay Area. The job was to work for the staffing office itself–not as a temp worker. After 2 rounds of phone interviews (which was weird in itself–this was early in my career and not a job of much importance) I was finally invited for an in-person interview. The in-person interview lasted approximately 10 minutes, after which the interviewer declared “it was time to start the day” and she shuffled me out to the front area where all the staff were gathered. Everyone circled around a white board that had various departments written on it i.e. sales, accounting, etc. The manager then went over the previous days successes of each department, which was met with whoops and cheers by all the staff. Very odd. Very rah-rah-rah.

    Then I was told that I was to “shadow” a woman who held a position similar to the one I was supposedly interviewing for. I was supposed to “ask questions” about the job. I assumed this was some sort of strange peer interview, so I proceeded to ask some questions about her duties and the business. Well one hour and a half later I was still there, no one having come and got me, shown me out, ended the “interview” in any way. I got the idea that they expected me to spend many hours there, watching someone work. Well I had taken the morning off from my current job for this “interview” and really needed to get back to the job that was paying me–not the one that was attempting to get me to work there for free. Anyway they acted shocked when I told them I had to leave as I was obligated to get to my workplace. I thanked them for the “interview” and left.

    I tried to follow up a few days later (I thought the place was weird, but it was only about 2 miles from where I lived so I was willing to work there for the short commute), but when I inquired about whether the position had been filled I was asked my name, then promptly hung up on. I’m a professional now with almost 20 years experience in various industries. I’ve done my share of interviews both as interviewer and interviewee and have never, ever had such a bizarre experience as a potential new hire.

    Knowing what I know now–org board, weirdness, not wanting me to leave–was this a Scientology run business?

    • Missionary Kid

      I don’t think it could be traced back to you, but can you remember the name of the business?

      • Fremdscham

        It was too long ago, the gathering around the board in the morning I just found strange. I don’t remember exactly what it looked like or the names of the divisions on it. Just that it was there. I can tell you that it was in Alameda, CA, in the mid-to-late 1990’s before the giant dot.com crash.

        • Missionary Kid

          I just asked because someone who was “in” then might remember. I’m willing to bet they didn’t go far, either.

    • splog

      Doesn’t sound like any Scientology-run business I’ve ever heard of. But nonetheless, just as weird as some I have!

      There’s a couple of giveaways about WISE companies: Big green OEC encyclopedia books (you can’t miss them), graphs posted on the wall (usually drawn by hand), a fascination that everything must be put in writing but oddly enough real orders seem to always be verbal.

      But all of that can be hidden or disguised in some way. Except the org board – that thing stands out like a sore thumb and it must follow a pattern – 7 divisions (sometimes 9 where the last one is expanded to 3) with names like Distribution Division, Treasury, Public Division. It’s hard to describe and looks nothing like your usual organigram companies draw up to show who works where – the Scn Org Board is unmistakable when you know it’s form. This crazy crowd you met with doesn’t sound like that.

      • Fremdscham

        Thanks, I’m unclear on this myself. It was some sort of org board, but I don’t remember really what it looked like. There are plenty of businesses with “cult-ish” behaviors. There’s a reason I never buy anything from anyone I know in a MLM business. The people who have bought into them tend to annoy me. I will never see selling some worthless product as the answer to all my problems.

        • Casabeca

          I so agree on MLMs. I keep trying to tell this one set of relatives that scientific or nutritional breakthroughs are not usually announced my starting a MLM or using an infomercial.

    • 3feetback-of-COS

      Sure sounds like scientology type company to me.

  • USA MRIID

    How would you like to wake up every morning and realize all over again that you are Tommy Davis? Must suck, every day.

  • Mooser

    Did Tommy Davis intend his e-mail response to let everyone know just how terrified he is of Tony Ortega? If he did, he did a good job.

    • DamOTclese2

      Ya got to wonder what runs through that idiot’s brain. If the stupid clown had been thinking, he could have scheduled a meeting with Tony out at Central Park, then ignored Tony and let Tony cool his heels watching the grass grow for a few hours, joke’s no Tony. 🙂 Instead the asshat &tm; spewed “bigot!” like a busted shitpipe. 🙂

      • kemist

        The idiot seems to call everyone a bigot.

        He’s like a little kid who’s discovered a new word and can’t help using it everywhere even if it doesn’t make sense.

        But, most kids stop doing it after a few days. At least those smart enough to notice that :

        1) It’s annoying

        2) It’s not funny

        3) It makes them look like particularly retarded parrots

        But it seems like sciloons just can’t get how they look like for normal people. They don’t understand how accusing all their critics of various crimes and lies, and their outrageous accusation against “psychs” make them look like shrill googly-eyed lunatics either.

    • Does anyone know where Tommy Davis lives? I’ll go protest his house and tell him to stop hating on journalists. LOL

      • kemist

        Call him a bigot, over and over again.

        • Eclipse-girl

          Constantly interrupt and do not let Tommy Davis get a word in.

  • Aslansown

    Wondering who told Tony about his coming to NY must be killing Tommy Davis.

    • DamOTclese2

      Someone close to him. Someone real close.

      • IASREG

        It could have been a Bunker reader that saw Tommy out and about.

        • DamOTclese2

          I’m pretty sure it was Tommy’s wife that turned him in.

          • IASREG

            Oh, that would be sweet.

      • pronoia

        A non-scilon who works for his boss is my guess.

  • Kevin Tighe
    • IASREG

      Interesting that Tom INSISTS on calling Katie KATE. Also, divorce isn’t an “ideal scene”.

      • Observer

        When they were engaged or first married, he decreed that Katie Holmes would from thenceforth be known as “Kate Cruise”. Pretty much everyone, including Kate Cruise, ignored his decree.

        • IASREG

          I read about that. I thought she didn’t want to be called Kate! You would think after she dumped the lunatic he would have figured that out. What an ASSHAT!

          • Observer

            But he’s Big Being #3! How could anyone even think to deny him his merest whims?

          • pronoia

            Yeppers. There, for Tommy Davis’ education, is an accurate depiction of an asshat!

        • GlibWog

          Yep.. and she called him Tammy..

          errrr Tommy

    • He calls Scientology a “minority” 😉
      Kevin, where is the rest of the deposition?

      • Kevin Tighe

        I don’t know. It’s linked from this article:

        http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2013/11/tom-cruise-katie-holmes-deposition-suri-scientology-bauer-lawsuit/

        Fascinating stuff.

        IMHO the biggest news from it is that Cruise admits Katie left to protect Suri from Scientology.

        • and it starts:
          CONFIDENTIAL – ATTORNEYS’ EYES ONLY
          whooooooooooaaaaaah

          this rocks!

          • Robert Eckert

            It took two months to leak.

            • And Tom will not do anything about it, because all stories on the web are JUST lies.

            • MaxSpaceman

              and hearsay

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          I have been down this rabbit hole for a while. This guy is such an idiotic jerk and he is getting hashed pretty good in this depo.

          • aquaclara

            fyi. 11/5 to 11/9; posted on Ocala CL, while I was busy today.
            “Today thru Friday 1 pm to 9 pm, and Saturday noon to 3 pm.

            Call 352-390-8535 if you would like an appointment for the tour… otherwise, just stop by anytime.

            Everyone who visits gets a free DVD!

            Church of Scientology Ocala Mission
            50 SE 1st Avenue
            Ocala, FL 34471

        • IASREG

          Oh, this is so sweet. Tom discussing Sp’s and doesn’t even know the scientology website url. The most dedicated Scientologist I know…

        • LOL okay in all fairness i can’t hear him speaking, but DAMN he sounds stupid in this. WOW.

          • IASREG

            The scio lingo is strong in the little being #3! He HAS disconnected. He will lose this frivolous suit. Hell, I would have paid millions to keep this deposition out of the media!

            • I half expected him to go, “THE TRUTH? THE TRUTH? YOU CAN’T HANDLE THE TRUTH!?”

              I also LOVE how he is the one that filed the lawsuit, and HE is the one responsible for the depositions, but at the same time he’s complaining about it. LOL

            • IASREG

              For an OT8 his TR’s were NOT in! He pulled it in! Hoping (with extreme malice) this goes viral and spins into mainstream media with much joking and degrading.

            • Eclipse-girl

              That is because you can think and question freely.

          • Seannie5

            He really is difficult to follow – and this man is supposed to have mastered the art of communication? ….

        • MaxSpaceman

          Wow- amazing! Thanks for the capsule report (cuz some visitors don’t click thru to every link; there are so many; so a capsule is *super helpful.*

      • media_lush

        this is the actual PDF file of the whole deposition

        http://amradaronline.files.wordpress.com/2013/11/depo20001.pdf

        • YAY thank you! I was sick of skipping pages. Reading this guys bullshit is fascinating.

        • Awww never mind. This is the excerpted version. I was hoping to see the unabridged one.

        • Elen

          It is actually just nine pages of selected pages. I would love to read the entire thing!

        • MaxSpaceman

          Thanks m_L — I always love how you have your ‘hands on’ all of it ~
          Thereby making you the “lush” that you call yourself !!

        • tetloj

          It’s on the record that he spent 10 days with Suri between June and Thanksgiving 2012.

        • MaxSpaceman

          That lawyer is simply ripping Tomm Cruize a new arsehole !!

          Fool! A tool of Dave Miscavige. Tomm is going to get his ass handed to him. He looks like a *complete idiot.*

      • Seannie5

        How can he claim to be a minority religion and then go and bullshit to hoards of sciloons that the rate of expansion is through the roof. He does this year after year, or DM does it. 40/50 years later and it’s still a minority? Something not quite working for them, is it!

    • MaxSpaceman

      Oh it’s beautiful ! One can actually “see” Tomm Cruze squirm, like the little fawning sycophant of mouseking midget miscavige that he is

      • Mooser

        He is credited with the 1993 “tax exempt” decision from the Supreme Court. And he was a ‘made’ man after that.

        • MaxSpaceman

          Well it was an IRS decision, not a supweme coaht decision.

          • Mooser

            Of course, that’s right. An IRS decision. And it ‘made’ Maxcivage, or whatever his name is. I can’t seem to remember it.

  • Is anybody having a circus tent update?
    Clearwater discussed it yesterday evening, didn’t they?

    • Ruby

      Sunny posted below. 🙂

      • But I was expecting a response from the mayor 🙁
        He is rich now, isn’t he?

        • Ruby

          oh, I think you are right. Maybe Charlie Frago will have another story for us.

        • Miss Tia

          oh that’s right…they were to give CONDITIONS today!!!

  • stillgrace2

    If you want to strike a blow while waiting for updates on AGP, please flag these misrepresentations:

    http://sfbay.craigslist.org/search/ccc?catAbb=eee&query=408+724+8086&zoomToPosting=
    http://sfbay.craigslist.org/search/ccc?query=801+3944&zoomToPosting=

    SF Bay Area scios are changing their strategies: new phone numbers, no names, one number for multiple sub-areas. These ads deserve to be flagged. They represent themselves as “non-profit” (LMAO), and DO NOT identify themselves as scientology.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      The deluded loons who keep posting his stuff are so hapless. the language alone is such a dead giveaway.

      I was amused by this one particularly– “Become an Expert Communicator!”
      http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/cls/4176531339.html

      Including this line: “Are others having a hard time hearing what your trying to say?”

      Or for that matter, not snickering at “you’re” bad grammar…

      Scientology Education: There using they’re Tech all wrong over their!

      • stillgrace2

        I saw that and cracked up!

    • IASREG

      I have been flagging these types of deceptive posts as prohibited and the repetitive spam as spam. Should I stay the course or alter my flagging?

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        Just order the nearest chair, ashtray or wall to assist you.

        • IASREG

          I cannot do that yet while exterior!

      • stillgrace2

        I use the “prohibited” if it’s scientology and they don’t say so, and if they claim to be non-profit. Lies, and lying liars that lie.

        • IASREG

          OK, same here, I shall stay the course.

        • Free Minds, Free Hearts

          thanks, I had been using spam but this is a good approach.

        • Robert Eckert

          I’ve always just used Spam. I wonder if it matters whether all the flags are of the same type: I would hate to find out that, say, 5 spam flags would take it down but 3 spam and 2 prohibiteds wouldn’t.

          • Lurkness

            I do both (spam and prohibited) when they are TOS violative.

      • Lurkness

        I do both prohibited and spam for each when there are more than two ads posted a day. Also do a double hit where they hide their affiliation.

    • aquaclara

      Great job, stillgrace 2. done.

    • Sibs

      What does it say about your “religion” when you go to such lengths to mislead and trick people into calling you? (my thoughts every time I see CL ads or stories about disseminating)

    • Victoria Pandora

      I noticed they are using a new tag (well, new to me anyway) CSsingles.
      All over craigslist, penny saver and other free papers.

    • Miss Tia

      I still wanna know why CL basically lets CO$ do whatever they want when every account I’ve created has been suspended now! (I’m waiting for some new phone #s from friends before I get more accounts!! 🙂 What’s the CL & CO$ connection???????

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      done!

  • John P.

    I just posted a new article on my site, exploring the difference between analysis and news reporting, an area where people often get things confused, and also contrasting analysis with opinions and discussing the role of humor in doing great analytical thinking. One takeaway from this is to help illustrate where I want my blog to sit relative to other sites in the anti-Scientology world, and thus to make it clear how I hope to complement what existing sites already do so well.

    The article is here: http://www.johnpcapitalist.com/2013/11/analysis-versus-news-versus-opinion-versus-lulz/

    • Eivol Ekdal

      You have been busy.

    • Eclipse-girl

      A very well written and informative article.

    • GlibWog

      Excellent article JP..

  • mook
    • Jgg2012

      That makes Africa the first clear continent.

      • Narapoid

        Still laughing XD

      • Interested

        Me too. Still laughing .

  • Seannie5

    http://www.laineygossip.com/Tom-Cruise-forced-to-talk-about-Suri-and-Scientology-in-deposition-with-IN-TOUCH-Magazine/28567
    I need to read the full transcript but we now know that Suri has nothing to do with CoS AND that Conor and Isabella do not talk to Katie.

    • IASREG

      TC is an idiot. If this catches on in the media his reputation is going to take a substantial hit. He has disconnected and Katie is an SP. He can’t see Suri anymore, she IS PTS. He never should have filed.

      • Tony Ortega

        All of his testimony says the exact opposite.

        • Eclipse-girl

          Tom is special and does’t have to obey the rules of disconnection when it comes to his child.

          • Tony Ortega

            …which was the point of the story we did last year, quoting Rinder and others. Tom gets away with special treatment.

            • Elen

              What gets me is TC & other celebs act like they have no idea that disconnection happens. My question is are they truly that clueless & living in a bubble or do they honestly believe that they are exempt from following the rules?

            • IASREG

              I think that living in the bubble, along with what scientology teaches them, reinforces their view that they are exempt from following the rules.

            • Eclipse-girl

              Bingo !

            • OrangySky

              Of course they know that disconnection happens, because they themselves have been the disconnectors! Haggis was cut off, Jason was cut off, Leah was cut off – of course they know it happens.

            • Narapoid

              I’ll bet he didn’t feel special in the deposition room. The hubris is amazing.

            • Eclipse-girl

              Some people are finally questioning that. I think its is progress, no matter how small.

            • Mooser

              “Tom gets away with special treatment.”

              He shouldn’t allow it. He must endure the same pains to make the same gains as any other Scientologist.

            • Zana

              Well said. Wouldn’t that be incredible… for him to actually decide to endure what Miss Miscabbage doles out to others. He wouldn’t stay long. This says so much about who he is.

          • Eivol Ekdal

            I believe his current running orders are….
            Don’t talk about Scientology on the outside
            Don’t deny Scientology
            Keep making as many films as you can
            Keep dumping funds in
            Do your Basics, GAT II and Superpower like a good boy.
            …you know, the greatest good…

        • IASREG

          His testimony says he hasn’t, but whoever the lawyers are did a decent job of using Scientology policy against his testimony. I haven’t heard anything about the lawsuit for a while other than today. This will make for an interesting trial if it gets that far, which I doubt will happen depriving us of a deep well of lulz. If I were in his situation I would want to make it just go away. (I’m waiting anxiously for your book to come out Mr. Ortega – by Xmas?)

      • He actually said that he did/does see Suri. Scientologists will certainly not see it. They avoid media like the plague.

        • kemist

          That’s what scilons will say

          • Sibs

            “roll modal” – Oh dear.

            • Mooser

              Modal, that’s the way I roll! Dorian and Mixolydian, mostly.

          • omg. Was that THIS november third? That clip is like 20 years old already.

            • kemist

              Yes it is. It’s fresh from Blackrob’s infamous FB socks.

          • OrangySky

            “Roll” model indeed! Rolling down hill toward oblivion at lightning speed!

      • Someone will certainly correct me if I am wrong here. It appears to me that the argument is about the claim that Tom Cruise saw his daughter few enough times during a specified period that it warranted the word “abandoned”.

        The bit about suppressive person, etc. appeared to be related to claims made by other outlets. Ones against which Cruise and his team did not pursue litigation. In essence, I think that ‘In Touch’ and Bauer and all that jazz were trying to say, “If you didn’t sue them, why are you suing us.”

        Although it was only 9 pages out of apparently hundreds so I’m not sure.

        • IASREG

          They will have to word clear abandoned in court. I may be abandoned in my lulz over reading this entheta. I may have abandoned my senses in my initial analysis. I may be abandoned in my lust of such entheta.

    • media_lush

      and for those that want to stay on this page here’s the dynamite admission:

      • Seannie5

        There is no doubt that Katie really blindsided him. When asked if Katie had stopped practising scientology prior to the divorce, he said “not to my knowledge”. Ha!
        Poor Conor and Bella, Katie is the enemy to them now just like their mother. I bet Nicole is reading this gleefully.
        He sounded REALLY stupid when describing the difference in scientology and other religions for children. Jeez! Oh how I wish I could read the full thing!

        • Eclipse-girl

          I thought there were rumors that Katie and Nicole have had contact.

          • Seannie5

            There’s no real proof of that, is there? Just some random gossip story. I’ve always felt that Nicole tries to keep herself as ‘clean’ as possible so that her kids might one day seek her out. Who the heck knows really. I doubt either former Mrs Cruise will ever talk about it.

        • media_lush

          he never was the sharpest tool in the box – don’t forget that he must have been really smarting after having been totally outwitted and blindsided by Katie; compound that with his delusion that he is a big being and previous wins against the media and the undoubted prodding by Bert Fields looking for one final big payday and tiny fists telling him to make it go right then you have one big recipe of fuck-up. I posted a piece by Enty a couple of days ago and his take on this fiasco and he brings forward an angle that none of the media have picked up on yet…. given that he is an entertainment lawyer I think it holds quite a bit of weight.

          • GlibWog

            You know lush.. Paula Dean did the stupidest thing in the world. Just pay the AA woman ..out of court settlement..

            Nope.. She has to have the entire transcript played out in the media for the world to see what a Racist she truly is.

            Tom is doing the same damn thing. Had he not filed a law suit and written a letter stating that that was not the case. He would like his words to reflect that in the magazine.

            No one had to know this personal information. Just stupid stupid..STUPID MOVE.

            Sue, Sue, Sue… that’s all SCN are taught to do..

            • media_lush

              CELEBITCHY has a few bits the others haven’t mentioned…. also like this take:

              “Basically, Tom is still a litigious man. He wants the tabloids to go down, and he wants it to happen as a result of this particular story. He eventually dropped the threats to sue the Enquirer for their “Tom is a monster” cover story. He branded the Vanity Fair wife audition story as “lies,” but he never sued them either. I guess Tom only sues when the story isn’t true? He’s fine with being a monster and a fake boyfriend/husband, but don’t you even dare say he’s not a “present” father. Well … he’s not present. But he talks to her on the phone!”

              http://www.celebitchy.com/332854/tom_cruise_is_still_ls_for_their_abandoned_by_daddy_story_is_he_obsessed/

            • GlibWog

              I was reading the blog and I had The News on and I just heard TC mentioned ..The Newcaster said..

              ” Well Tom where are the Pictures of you and Suri together? We will be more than happy to show them ..”

            • media_lush

              … there is a collective media hate building… which is only natural once they start doing their own research {which channel out of curiosity?}

            • GlibWog

              Damn.. I don’t remember.. I heard it so quickly and don’t know what it was on..I was channel surfing.. errrrrrrrrgh… I’m sorry! ; /

            • Except the lawsuit was against her brother, not her. It would’ve been prudent for her brother to settle before the depositions were taken, FWIW.

            • GlibWog

              oops you are right Love.. thanks for the correction. Either way.. Foot Bullet

      • MaxSpaceman

        Dude- this is the *best* – when you put a capsule ‘brief’ of your media link directly on the Bunker – cuz truly, there are *so* many links throughout each visitor’s visit, that some of it is missed by some, and others missed by others. Thank you bro !

      • Room 101

        Isabella is a different kind of case. She talks to people who are disaffected. Not sure if she knows that they are or not, but she always reconnected with her mother pretty heavily who is definitely against Scn.

        • GlibWog

          Isabella.. she is truly one messed up girl.

          • Miss Tia

            I feel really sorry for her…..

          • media_lush

            whoever the insider at http://scientologycelebrity.wordpress.com was he wrote a great deal about Bella and the major theme he spouted was that she was actually quite a nasty piece of work with a huge sense of entitlement and disregard for the ‘little people’…… that guy she was recently photographed at some London gallery opening [details on my blog] is a bone fide douche of the highest proportions [and well known money raiser for the cult]. and FTR the behind the scenes gossip on Nicole is, to a tee, pretty much negative…. so with that kind of upbringing…..

            • GlibWog

              Yes I had read that many times lush.. She didn’t have a prayer.. could you drop off your blog link.. ? I would love to read…

              Also were those who wrote the above link ( I followed at one time) ever revealed.

              Yes I know the photographer you talk about ( rip off artist..ugh) but would like to read more. thanks.

            • media_lush

              … about the only thing that I got was the person was from the UK and male…. but that’s probably wrong, too. When I come across stuff that is likely to get removed I always make an effort to get screen grabs or I copy the whole html code…. there was some incredible info he was putting out, especially reports from intimidation in a scientology divorce case…. mind-blowing. Anyway, I was away from home and limited to my iPad so couldn’t do this…. by the time I got to my iPad it was too late.

              http://scientologybollocks.blogspot.co.uk

            • GlibWog

              I enjoyed it while it was still up.. thanks… Oh I like your blog. Thank you Lush.. seriously I am snoopy!

    • Miss Tia

      So he basically ADMITS to disconnection and that HE VIOLATES THAT by communicating with Suri and Katie and Katie is a SP and Suri is no longer a CO$ member.

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        If you really want a good picture of who the man is…read the depo transcripts. It is long but it is telling. He really ‘believes’ it all.

        You will get to know the real Tom Cruise. A polite facade that he can’t quite keep up when challenged. It was great reading. He controls and is responsible for everything in his sphere…except when it is inconvenient…..and then, well…he doesn’t.

        He also can’t think on his feet and is not articulate. Comes off as kind of obtuse.

        • GlibWog

          Yes.. good read Bury..

        • IASREG

          The scilon lingo definitely comes through in his deposition. It is a bit surprising that he did so poorly when pressed. Being offended doesn’t mean you don’t have to answer the question in a deposition! A few months ago I read that they were close to settling out of court, WTF happened?

          • We have a saying here in the San Joaquin Valley: “If you don’t want a stink, don’t stir the shit.”

            • Mooser

              “We have a saying here in the San Joaquin Valley:”

              The San Joaquin Valley is world famous for the pithiness and utility of its proverbs. You may also enjoy the wonderful epigrams, epithets and epistles, available fresh in season.
              The “Sooth of the Month “Club will deliver a fine selection of these juicy morsels of wisdom, sun-ripened and fresh-picked right to your door.

        • Elen

          I really wish I could read the entire depo!

          You nailed the obtusness <<(has that word been cleared?) and I read a lot of defensiveness, almost a "how dare you!" (shades of Ann Archer) & "I know all" The saddest (funniest) part is that he is so unaware of himself.

        • Miss Tia

          I sort of had that impression about him—-control freak, facade, can’t handle things out of his sphere of control….i’ll have to read the depo…..i mean, he brought this upon himself!!! DUH!!!! and he can’t connect the dots that HE is violating the disconnection policy……douche bag……

  • Sibs

    It’s almost 2 here in LA. Still no word on AGP?

    • Victoria Pandora

      i am worried about him. let him go… he is not what the COS wishes their enemies were. none of us are.
      i am already seeing bullshit posts, “he should have stayed home and edited video”… etc.
      oh, it is all so comfy from some armchairs.

      • Sibs

        I’m worried too. The court system here sure is taking their sweet time for clearly bullshit charges.

        • Casabeca

          Biting cuticles…

      • Gerard Plourde

        I’m worried too. AGP has fought the good fight for a long time. My concern is in the heat of the moment he placed himself in a position that the cult could exploit. This is a mistake that any of us could make and need to be on guard against if and/or when we engage in picketing or any action that puts us in direct contact with cult members. I hope Graham will have the opportunity to present a fuller picture to the court.

      • Zana

        Who said “he should have stayed home and edited videos”…?

        It’s really comfy to not do anything. Armchair travelers. People who watch what happens instead of create things to happen. AGP is on the front line. People on the front line are in the crosshairs of Co$. We have to support them.

    • Rita Gregory

      YESSSSS! From Karen D’s page: “POPE is out, he was released 15 mins ago
      I don’t believe LAPD like these cycles, and the District Attorney certainly did not want to prosecute.”

  • aquaclara

    Please take 10 minutes and flag, if you can. Same as the time it takes to listen to 3 songs on the radio. Easy – open, flag as spam, back arrow, and another. There are a bunch of new ads up, and between Stillgrace and JMH, they are doing some great stuff here. Remember that this was identified as a source for new recruits.
    (reposting JMH’s post.) jmh
    Hey all… thought I’d repost the link to Craigslist Slaying that I posted last night.

    http://tonyortega.org/2013/10/
    THANKS!

  • SandiCorrena

    ok is it me or has “reply” disappeared from the posts?

    • Observer

      I can see reply, and the edit button is back on everyone’s posts.

      • ze moo

        Discus has been having brain farts for while. Same thing last night, but no one could edit and save changes to an others comment.

      • GlibWog

        No edit for me obs..

        shit I have edit for you.. not for others.. maybe after I save post.. I don’t know..

    • GlibWog

      I have reply and NO edit..

      • IASREG

        I’m getting a mix. I can still open others edit boxes as well so perhaps an attempt at a fix is being installed?

  • SandiCorrena

    I’ve got no reply button, no edit button…nothing

  • Jeb Burton

    I realize its been probably discussed somewhere below, and the Tampa bay Times kind of buried it on page 3b, but it sounds like the cult is going to get everything they want for the big event from the city. A little bit of harumphing from the city, but they are talking economic impact, which tells me their getting everything in their petition.

    • Eclipse-girl

      Yet, I found a different article by Charlie Frago complaining of continuing code violations. One for the white fence and a second for flood lighting

      • Sibs

        Flood lighting too? Yay, light pollution!

      • Jeb Burton

        The city is throwing them a bone. Take care of those 2 relaively easy problems, and we will fold like a cheap suit and give you everything else.

        • OrangySky

          Pissed at the city.

  • mook

    Looks like the cult isn’t one of the sponsors for the Hollywood Xmas Parade this year. But the grand marshal is
    Buzz Aldrin, who has attended CoS events in the past but isn’t a confirmed cultie. Anybody else have more info on this?
    http://thehollywoodchristmasparade.org/sponsors/

    • GlibWog

      Nope.. but if he has twitter ( I don’t ) someone can fill him in.. Is he That ignorant not to know what is going on with this evil cult? Or is he a Scn? That is the question..

      He has too many face lifts maybe it impaired his brain functioning…sigh

      • Eclipse-girl

        Miss Tia is the Twiiter Queen. Maybe she can add him into her dailies.

    • GlibWog

      mook forget it.. He knows.. He has supported them for years ( I have been all over Hearsay )

      He doesn’t admit it ( You know his freakin image and all) but he is the Will Smith of Astronauts. One of the supposedly reasons for his last divorce is SCNloooney tunes..

      Just a Creep.. ugh… and also they pay him for appearances $ … I don’t have any links. I just spliced it together here and there.

      • DamOTclese2

        Aldin is a right wing teabagging Christian Republican lunatic. He won’t listen to reason.

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          Wow,… like a four way insult.
          Good job.

          You even offended a wingless, coffee drinking Atheist Independent with that one.

      • Narapoid

        NOOOOooooo! Not Buzz too! I do like his confront/shatter when he is challenged on his trip to the moon: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wcrkxOgzhU

      • OrangySky

        He’s been in space. He’s seen target 2 with his own eyes. And yes, since you asked, it is indeed quite balmy in the Van Allen Belt.

        • GlibWog

          Oh Orangy.. Of course.. Now it explains it.. duh..

    • Ruby

      He is not a cultie. He is good friends with someone that is.

  • Zana

    I’m hoping that Angry Gay Pope is okay. Anybody have any news on him today?

    The cult of Scientology is so sinister. That a young, pretty woman would be manipulated to make false charges like that. Using her as a shill. As bait. What horrific karma she is creating for herself.

    • Rita Gregory

      Woo Hoo! From Karen D’s page: “POPE is out, he was released 15 mins ago
      I don’t believe LAPD like these cycles, and the District Attorney certainly did not want to prosecute.”

      • Free Minds, Free Hearts

        Excellent news, thank you so much!

        • Rita Gregory

          I feel so much better now! the DA did not want to prosecute!!!!! Take that OSA!

      • Zana

        Yeeeeaaaaaa!!!

  • Jgg2012

    ” you’re a delusional, bigoted, hate mongering asshat” Now, now, he isn’t John Sweeney.

    • IASREG

      My girlfriend and her sister have been calling their father asshat for a few months now. I just texted her the full phrase for their use.

  • jmh
    • GlibWog

      OMG jmh… Yay.. fabulous news.. Woo Hoo.. Thank you for all that you do..

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      wow. And jmh thank you for posting your links to CL so it is so easy to flag them!

  • Tony DePhillips

    Tommy is upset because he is no longer a “big dog running in the tall grass”. This was the famous line Tommy used on Marty and Mike to explain why they were so “bitter”. Now it looks as if Tommy is bitter due to the same thing. He isn’t a “big dog” anymore, he is a low life public, that the Sea Org uses for sucking cash from. Welcome to the club Tommy. Suck it up.

    • IASREG

      I think Tommy may have been mistaken or made a typo. He meant to say Tony Ortega is a BIG OT since he is at cause over poor Tommy.

      • EnthralledObserver

        Is that little space not the greatest irony EVER!? lol… 😀

        • IASREG

          Oh the lulz. Today has been a good day. Thank you Bunker.

          • tetloj

            yep….I think we have all been needing some comic relief…Tommy D and Tommy C bringing the lulz in today for the bunker.

    • ze moo

      When big dogs meet each other, they spend a lot of time smelling each others ass. Will the tent revival be any different??

    • DamOTclese2

      It’s funny. Tommy was never a big dog, he was and remains David’s little bitch.

    • Narapoid

      That dog Tommy hung his penis sheath on the barb wire making his run for the tall grass. That’s why his bark is so vicious…

      • Tony DePhillips

        Laughter.

  • MaxSpaceman

    [From media_lush and others’ posts: a distillation: at the point of Suri/Katie/Tom and SP disconnection]:

    They [opposition lawyers] pushed further, asking, “And Ms. Holmes has never indicated in any way that was one of the reasons she left you? …To protect Suri from Scientology?”

    Finally, Cruise admitted, “Did she say that? That was one of the assertions, yes.”
    “Is Suri currently practicing Scientology?” they asked.
    Cruise answered, “No.”

    It was a breathtaking admission from Cruise, since leaving the Church of Scientology is akin to death for members

    According to Scientology’s website, anyone who publicly renounces the “faith” is considered an “Suppressive Person,” and “loses both his or her fellowship with the Church as well as with other Scientologists.” Many former Scientologists have described how family members within the church cut off all contact with them once they left, branding them suppressive persons.

    As such, lawyers asked Cruise, “Would you consider, would the Church consider Ms. Holmes to be a suppressive person upon leaving the Church?”

    “That is a distortion and a simplification of the matter,” he snapped. “… I don’t want to just give an oversimplification of religious doctrine.”

    But when confronted with the definition of an SP from the church website, Cruise admitted that it was an apt description.

    • Gerard Plourde

      This deposition is very interesting given the abandonment allegations. Can you post the link? (I’m too lazy after dinner to hunt through the entire thread.)

    • Mooser

      “I don’t want to just give an oversimplification of religious doctrine”

      Religious doctrine, simple? God forbid!

    • OrangySky

      Whoa. So Katie’s officially an SP. So does that make Suri PTS?

      • IASREG

        Tom will TR-L that and say no, but then when confronted by scientology policy he will say, “Um, errr, gosh, I guess, yes.”. What happened to “I don’t recall” or just keep those TR’s in and flat out lie! Bert needs to have some NFL or MLB type hand signals. OK, I scratch my left ear and you say “I don’t recall.”

    • media_lush

      One should also note that Radar have only released 49 pages out of 249….. I wonder if they’re saving more good stuff for later or whether this is the only bit worth printing

  • Free Minds, Free Hearts

    Charlie Frago just posted a new article at the Tampa Bay Times, “Scientology accused of more Clearwater code violations” http://www.tampabay.com/news/scientology/scientology-accused-of-more-clearwater-code-violations/2151366. No permit for the new tent and a fence, and complaints about floodlights. Interesting excerpts:

    “The Church of Scientology has run afoul of city ordinances again, prompting city officials to say that if the church doesn’t begin complying with city laws, it won’t get permits for a major event later this month and an annual New Year’s celebration.

    “The church has installed a white privacy fence on the western and southern boundaries of the property where it erected a massive tent for upcoming events, effectively blocking the view of the tent property from beachbound traffic passing by on Court Street. The church did not obtain a required permit before putting up the fence.

    “Last week, the church started work on a new, 21,000-square-foot tent without first obtaining a tent permit
    required under city code. The new tent is adjacent to the 150,000-square-foot main event tent.

    “In addition, flood lights the church has placed on the big tent are disturbing residents of a nearby
    high-rise tower for seniors, potentially violating city light intrusion rules.

    … “Horne said an international gathering of Scientologists planned for the weekend after Thanksgiving as well as an anticipated New Year’s Eve event won’t be issued special event permits if the church doesn’t change its behavior.

    “The city has received dozens of calls and emails from residents upset with the church and a smaller number
    supporting the church, said city spokeswoman Joelle Castelli.

    “The city notified the church this week that the new tent violates city code by not having a permit. It won’t get
    one until the city signs off on the church’s special event permit for its dedication of its new Flag Building Nov. 17, said Michael Delk, the city’s planning director.

    “The first test will be if the church complies with city conditions to get a special event permit for the Flag
    Building dedication Nov. 17. The city plans to deliver those conditions to the church Friday.”

    Also, I don’t believe they are being fined yet, though things may have changed. As of October 31, per the Tampa Bay Times, the city said they wouldn’t be fined for the sign violation until after November 20, when the Code Enforcement Board meets. http://www.tampabay.com/news/scientology/scientology-calls-tent-wrap-important-but-city-declares-it-an-illegal-sign/2150189 – On October 31 the city said “Scientology has until Tuesday or Wednesday (Nov 5-6) to remove the wrap from the 150,000-square-foot tent, Delk said. If the church doesn’t, it could be subject to a fine of up to $250 a day after a city Code Enforcement Board hearing Nov. 20.””

    • IASREG

      Good grief! I hope that fence does not obstruct drivers views at an intersection which could lead to an accident.

    • OrangySky

      “Church officials Peter Mansell and Sarah Heller met with Horne
      Wednesday. At that meeting, Mansell and Heller said they didn’t like how
      the church was being portrayed, according to Horne.”

      Awwwww…”We don’t like how the church is being portrayed.” (Translation: “You religious bigots! Can’t you see we are better than you and are changing the world?”)

      Boo hoo.

    • Elen

      A very sincere thanks for posting the meat of the article… after a certain number of views I cannot read anything on the TBT

      • Free Minds, Free Hearts

        Yes that is part of why I posted the excerpts. I had that problem last month also – I think news views are limited to a certain number of views per month, and last month with all the tent articles I overdid it. Also, when I click in a link on comments I lose my place in the comments which is always annoying, and I figure that probably happens to some other people also.

        • Robert Eckert

          “when I click in a link on comments I lose my place in the comments” Right-click instead of left-click, and among the options is “open link in new tab” which solves this problem.

          • Free Minds, Free Hearts

            oh! I have trouble right clicking on my Mac but will try this. thank you!!!!!

          • Hobson’sChoice

            Thank you! This has solved a very frustrating experience for me as well.

      • Aslansown

        They do restrict you, but I’ve found that if I open an incognito window (Chrome) it will let me read it. I don’t know if they have something similar in other browsers.

      • Sandy

        Can you believe it? Even the Minneapolis newspaper wants you to pay after x amount of views. Paleeze. As if the news isn’t free in a million diff places! Star Tribune – are you nutz???

        • Elen

          I know!! Many papers even offer most articles free & then some are “premium” which is also caca.

      • aquaclara

        Try going in through charlie frago’s twitter link. It has been working so far for me. (Google, charlie frago, pick his twitter site and click). This has worked this week. Keeping my fingers crossed it holds up.

    • Sunny Sands

      “According to Horne, Mansell and Heller said out-of-town crews working on preparations for the upcoming events were unfamiliar with Clearwater ordinances.”
      The church has been involved with construction projects in Clearwater since just after 1975. They have dozens of lawyers, and have spent hundreds of millions of dollars. All the construction people I’ve worked with know the law or ask ahead of time, it’s part of their business, out of town or not. It’s just a lie of convenience, like all the others.

      • Ruby

        To say nothing of the fact that I highly doubt they hired anyone for the tent preps. Why do that when they have slave labor to do it dirt cheap?

      • GlibWog

        Can you imagine.. AS IF

        • Rita Gregory

          Lying liars lie.

      • Elen

        And Sunny… I think YOUR tent pics are better … it may be bias but if it is the truth for me, it’s the truth. 😉

  • Elen

    So AGP is either having gruel or enjoying the comforts of home…. Any word??

    • Rita Gregory

      Great News! From Karen D’s page: POPE is out, he was released 15 mins ago
      I don’t believe LAPD like these cycles, and the District Attorney certainly did not want to prosecute.

      • Robert Eckert

        It should not be surprising his case was held over until the afternoon. We saw the same pattern with Laura’s case, where the judge took up all kinds of lesser cases first. The court probably saw his case as a potential time-consumer and therefore cleared simpler matters out of the way first.

        • Rita Gregory

          Yes this is what I assumed also when we were waiting today.

      • Elen

        Yay! Thank you lovely Rita!!

        • Rita Gregory

          Your welcome! Glad to break the news!

  • SandiCorrena

    People is covering TC’s depo!

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      Wow, I just put Tom Cruise in a google news search,
      Tomorrow is going to be a very, very bad day for the guy.
      Even Vanity Fair jumped back on the bandwagon.

      • Ruby

        Oooo…and right before the big events. BFF won’t be happy about that.

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          They will just hang a NO NATTERING sign in the Big Top.

        • tetloj

          Unintended consequences….take it up to the publishers and the depositions happen just in time for a maximum entheta burst right before the SP building opens…karma’s a bitch.

      • SandiCorrena

        and it’s all his own fault – stupid big being!!

      • media_lush
        • OrangySky

          Nice!

      • OrangySky

        Just read the depo. Wow – the most stunning part was the bit where he tries to explain what practicing Scientology means to a child and simply can’t. He simply can’t explain what Scientology is and does – at all. This Big Being/OT VIII – he can’t concisely explain what his religion is.
        Wow.

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          I liked where he compared being questioned to “the Godfather”.

          • OrangySky

            I missed that part – is it in the Radar docs? Link to full depo, please?

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              There are two sets of excerpts in the radar piece.

          • Sherbet

            I “liked” that he managed to drop his recent films’ names into the deposition at least twice.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Twice? I counted WAY more than twice.
              Maybe if they had left “Reacher” as “One Shot”, it might have had a chance.

              Wait……….naw…

        • Seannie5

          ikr? To be fair to John Travolta, when he was asked what scientology was on a European chat show he gave SOME semblance of an answer and was charming and friendly – Tom has been given so many opportunities to describe scientology and to SELL scientology – which is what his goal should be – but all he succeeds in doing is pouring more ridicule on it. He talks in riddles and gets defensive. And they say that Travolta is bad for it’s image?

        • Lurkness

          While TC is a big-being, he is not an OTVIII. Pope Miss Cabbage has not let him progress to the hightest OTVIII level. Stuck at OTVII.

          • MaxSpaceman

            The reason for that must surely tie into:
            — there is no OT9, OT10, OT11 etc
            — the end P of OT8 is: ” Now! — you know who you are *not.*

            Geesh — what is Tommy Cruize gonna make outta that ?!?

  • Rita Gregory

    From Karen D’s page: “POPE is out, he was released 15 mins ago
    I don’t believe LAPD like these cycles, and the District Attorney certainly did not want to prosecute.”

  • Rita Gregory

    KGP is out!!!!I feel so much better now! The DA did not want to prosecute!!!!! Confront that OSA!

    • media_lush

      from SP’s R Us

      • Rita Gregory

        Thanks for the docs ML!

    • GlibWog

      Woo Hoo.. sigh.. The sigh is a big sigh of relief!

  • Sherbet

    Reading the excerpts of TC’s deposition, I can believe that HE believes what he’s saying. He does not seem to be covering up or lying through his once-crooked teeth. I’m actually amazed at what he’s revealing about family and scientology. I see confidence bordering on arrogance that the world SHOULD believe him, because, in his mind, he’s speaking sanely, reasonably, and truthfully. He’s no Tommy Davis. He challenges the defense NOT to agree with him. Further, while he (surprisingly!) acknowledges that phone calls are no substitute for real parental face time, he does insist that Suri is happy and confident with a good sense of herself. And we hope she is.

    However, recall TC’s interview with Playboy a few weeks before Katie’s guerrilla divorce, where he painted the family’s home life in Waltonesque terms. Something like: They did arts and crafts, Katie sang, they all danced around and baked cupcakes, the three of them a happy little team in their home. And, yet, concurrently, Katie had a little surprise up her sleeve. Tom was oblivious (pun intended). He didn’t have a sense of the reality of what was really going on.

    So more than a year later, who’s to say whether Suri is doing just peachy with only those great stories Daddy tells over the phone — and no Daddy? That’s TC’s story, and he’s sticking to it. Yes, I’m sure Katie has visitation agreements in place that don’t make it easy for TC. But it’s apparent he’s doing a whole lotta rationalizing.

    • media_lush

      …. and I mentioned elsewhere… imagine what the missing [yet to be published, ed?] 200 pages have to offer up

      • Sherbet

        Right. Reading only an extract was very frustrating.

      • tetloj

        Radar keep putting out bits and pieces that are not in any of the published pieces. What have they held back?

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      http://hollywoodlife.com/2013/11/07/why-did-katie-holmes-divorce-tom-cruise-scientology-suri-cruise-split/

      Tom Cruise Admits Katie Holmes Left Him To Protect Suri From Scientology”

    • Miss Tia

      I Wanna know what he has to avoid eating to prevent inflammation—-i thought he was OTVIII??? he shouldn’t have inflammation from foods should he?????

      and yeah, he’ll fly to a IAS event, but go see his daughter? oh hell no!!! I have no doubt he loves his children, but he ADMITS he rarely sees her!!!!

      • Sherbet

        That’s what’s so extraordinary about this deposition: He sits there and tells the truth, because he believes his actions are reasonable and that the court should see that and agree.

        • OrangySky

          What’s interesting is he comes off as more honest than most Clams in such a situation. Much more honest that DM in his one depo extravangza.

          Basically truthful, but arrogant. The person he’s really lying to is himself.

          And honestly, as awful as it is for Scientology disconnection to try and keep Tom away from his kid, it’s probably better for Suri that she gets a little distance from Dada and his entourage (especially the entourage.)

      • Seannie5

        I must have missed certain pages because I don’t remember any references about inflammation or The Godfather

        • Sherbet

          There were links to two different excerpts. One was only about 9 pages long, and the other was longer. Neither one was the entire deposition, though.

          • Seannie5

            ok, I will have a look

          • Miss Tia

            it was difficult to find the link i found! i’m not a radaronline reader….this was a lengthy one though, but pages were missing…..of course….

          • OrangySky

            I’m still looking for the second part of the depo.

  • Rita Gregory

    More from the lovely Karen De La Carriere:
    “Was just talking to Graham Berry. The *church* had charged felony
    stalking already reduced by the next day to a misdemeanor, Graham even
    argued in front of the Judge. Pope will stay away 100 yards from HGB
    for 1 year. No case, no court fees, no conviction, ne penalties, case
    will be dismissed.”

  • Observer

    This morning Rita Gregory commented that when she read Tommy’s email she pictured him as a pitcher of Kool-Aid busting through a wall and shouting. After she said that, so did I. Here is the result.

    • Rita Gregory

      OMG Obs! That is a classic!!!!!! Thank You for your fabulous shoop!

      • Observer

        Thank you for the idea!

        • Rita Gregory

          It looks just like my mind saw it! 😀

    • Miss Tia

      OH YEAH!!!!

      • Observer

        Hahaha, I see what you did there!

      • Rita Gregory

        I’ve been hearing that all day!!! LOL!

    • Sherbet

      I’m not thirsty anymore…

      • Observer

        I’ve always hated Kool-Aid anyway.

        • Sherbet

          I don’t think I’ve ever had it.

          • Rita Gregory

            You’re not missing anything.

          • nottrue

            It came in a little packet and you would add water and about 20 cups of sugar.It was BAD

            • Sherbet

              I feel my teeth crumbling even as we speak.

            • IASREG

              The green lime Kool-Aid is the best of the flavors!

            • nottrue

              My sister loved that

            • Rita Gregory

              Yuck! We always made my little brother drink it. 😀

            • media_lush

              what’s the deal with the crashing through the wall bit…. not having grown up in the US my best guess it’s something along the lines that “it’s not a real party until Kool Aid crashes it”

            • Observer

              Nothing that sophisticated. The Kool-Aid guy would crash through a wall bellowing “OH YEAH!” You should be able to old ads on YouTube.

            • media_lush

              … I’m hot, it’s time for “Kool” Aid…… I’m sure there was a lot of doobie in the air when they actually came up with the campaign

              edit: wasn’t there an urban myth that it was a byproduct failed attempt of developing of Agent Orange?

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              Sounds like a myth. Monsanto and Dow Chemical were responsible for Agent Orange afaik, kool-aid is basically just refined sugars, artificial whatever and food coloring invented by some farmer and then sold. Kraft sells it now.

            • Rita Gregory

              One of many variations on this commercial from the 70’s
              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBeUGqeYsQg

            • nottrue

              It was a Vision from Rita

            • Rita Gregory

              An old tele-vision! 🙂

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              In the commercials, one or more people would say “Oh no!” or “oh, no?” and he’d crash through the wall with an “Oh yeah!”

              Family Guy’s take on it is pretty funny, sorry the first bit has feedback.

              http://youtu.be/28ML_aSHt0I

            • Sibs

              YES! THANK YOU! SOMEONE POSTED IT!
              (this was what I was thinking of when Rita posted that earlier.)

            • Douglas D. Douglas
    • SandiCorrena

      Brilliant!

    • Narapoid

      I laughed so hard it hurt! OOOH YAAAA

    • media_lush

      I look forward to the day when he gets in front of a camera [probably forced to] and someone asks him a scion question and we hear a voice in the background go “watch out, he gets angry….. really, really angry…

      • stillgrace2

        and then … Tommy explodes: ” OK, you got it, buddy, right here, right now!!!!”

    • media_lush

      I tweeted this to John Sweeney (@johnsweeneyroar )

      • Rita Gregory

        LOL! He should love this!

    • GlibWog

      Absolutely Effin Brilliant Obs.

    • cicely neville

      How do you sleep at night, with such brilliance in your head?

      • Observer

        Rita had the idea for this one.

    • sugarplumfairy

      Lol.. That’s frking awesome!!!

    • OrangySky

      How do you come up with these?

    • InterestedinCrazy

      I love this!

  • media_lush

    I don’t often post my blog link directly but if you want to read most of the Cruise stuff from different media outlets I have a pretty good selection

    http://scientologybollocks.blogspot.co.uk

    • Sydjazz

      I think you were to generous on that package of his lol

      • media_lush

        I think those cojones might be the original source of my avatar’s head gear

    • MaxSpaceman

      Can I be the one who says, Dude- post your blog link *directly* more often – like once per week, or sumphin’, every Sunday, or *whenever*. Cuz it’s *way cool* and there’s a whole bunch of peeps-who-post who don’t create a link to refer to it, for whatever the reason. Okay?!?

    • IASREG

      GOOD LORD! *choke* Is that Ron Jeremy?

      • media_lush

        …. I know what you mean…. when I zoomed in I just realised Dr Phil is in the pic, too

  • Sydjazz

    “Oh, people can come up with statistics to prove anything. 14% of people know that.”

  • Mac Stevens

    Tony, Jeff, once again, you’ve provided a fairly accurate explanation of how crazy Scientology can be, both in theory and in practice. But this is an incomplete picture.

    I have seen very many instances of Scientologists using Scientology Ethics guidelines to actually make a situation better. They emphasize certain portions of Scientology (the goal of “ethics” is improved survival in all areas of life, “ethics” is for one’s own use — is one’s own responsibility) and de-emphasize or interpret differently other portions. The result can be that the situation improves. You might say that such occurrences are unusual or that they improved the situation in spite of Scientology. They would probably say that your article here demonstrates a “mis-application” of Scientology, not adhering to the purpose of Scientology. I think it’s just different people focusing on different parts of the elephant.

    From youth, certain parts of Scientology had been emphasized to me:

    “Inform oneself honestly of the actual intentions and activities of that group, project or organization, brushing aside all bias and rumor.” — Scientology Doubt Formula, L Ron Hubbard

    “Personal integrity is knowing what you know. What you know is what you know and to have the courage to know and say what you have observed.” — Scientology, a New Slant on Life, L Ron Hubbard

    “No one has any right to force data off on you and command you to believe it or else. If it is not true for you, it isn’t true. … Think your own way through things, accept what is true for you, discard the rest.” – The Way To Happiness, L Ron Hubbard

    Eventually I followed through with that. I could no longer pretend to agree with the nonsense and I could no longer support the organization.

    Mac Stevens

    • DMSTCC

      Can you give us some specifics of “instances of Scientologists using Scientology Ethics guidelines to actually make a situation better”? Not to discount your statement, but that is a bit of a generality.

      • Mac Stevens

        As part of a course on Ethics at the Delphian School, I had to write down transgressions and take responsibility for them. The previous year I had sold some calendars for the Boy Scouts but I had failed to deliver them. So I had to face this and follow through and make good on this.

        Numerous times at the Delphian School, I was depressed about my progress or what not. A few of the staff were exceptionally compassionate and encouraging. They emphasized that I was a good person and I was responsible for myself, etc. It was really a help to get me going again.

        I had been at Flag for way too long. I did my own “Doubt” formula about whether I should stay there or go home. I went home. It was the “greatest good” 🙂

        • DMSTCC

          Yeah, it’s probably best to keep that off your resume. 😉

          • Mac Stevens

            I think my experience in Scientology got me out of jury duty once.

      • Mac Stevens

        During the 1992 L.A. riots, Sea Org members surrounded the HGB building in Hollywood and defended the entire block, armed with fire extinguishers. You might say they were following the Danger Condition: “1 Bypass normal habits and routines. 2. Handle the situation and any danger in it. … “

        • DMSTCC

          Brave thetans to do such a thing, but does that really belong in the Ethics category?

          • Mac Stevens

            Yes, I think it’s something to do with ethics.

            The fact that Sea Org women were coerced to get abortions is also in the ethics category.

            It’s an amazing spectrum of behavior. Very hard to grasp.

            • Robert Eckert

              The Huns would have defended their fortress against rampaging Visigoths, whether they had any ethical sense or not.

            • MaxSpaceman

              Thank you. Geesh.
              World History 101

        • Mac Stevens

          http://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/viewtopic.php?t=5002&p=42308

          “For a few days during the riots loads of us staff were given loaded guns and we formed a big circle around CC INT. This happened, as well, around HGB on Hollywood Blvd.”

          I didn’t know they had guns. Naive me.

          • IASREG

            Very interesting. What type of firearms? Rifles – semi automatic? Shotguns? Handguns – semi-auto or revolver?

          • Douglas D. Douglas

            I remember this well. At the time I thought it was odd that the only action taken by the super, super beings of Scientology was to protect their own property– and in such a ham-handed manner.

  • Ruby

    ok …on Tom Cruise…the thing is, he thinks that when he takes the time to to attend the all important IAS event, that he actually doing it FOR SURI too. After all, it’s her future too and so he is doing this for the good of all.
    Too bad Suri may not see it that way…or anyone else for that matter…except BFF, of course. And after all, Tom is the most dedicated scientologist, according to David Miscavige. He gave him a Freedom Medal of Honor, for christ’s sake. Now he HAS to show up at the IAS event to prove Miscavige and himself right.

  • John P.

    I just posted today’s Scientology Daily Digest, covering Tony Ortega’s blog, Mike Rinder’s Blog, ESMB and the other forum sites, and a fairly interesting haul from the general press with Scientology-related stories on a variety of topics. A long piece today but a lot of cool stuff happening in our world.

    http://www.johnpcapitalist.com/2013/11/scientology-daily-digest-thursday-november-7-2013/

    • media_lush

      good grief….. I think this is this sole down vote I’ve seen here all day…. must be a fat finger!

      • Robert Eckert

        koki was given a few because he asked where his down-arrows were for the day

  • Narapoid

    Tom Cruise closes the circle of the legal apocalypse of Scientology. I know this isn’t directly with the cherch, but TC is the top known $cio on Teegeeack. As you may mention face to face with the unindoctrinated, you can tcik with your fingers the cases before the court.

    Celebrity over-privilege AND Disconnection with TC. Anyoneelse in could not do what he does. I pray that as this thing unfolds in the press, Lori Hodgeson’s case will get some air for comparison. This may bring some people who have been forced to disconnect from their families without a word to an impasse. A real cognition.

    By gripe and not order of importance:

    Fraud/Over-regging: The Garcias and 200 million dollar schill building in Florida.

    Fairgaming/Harassment: Mosey Rathbun and the juvenile dildo attacks and chasing in Texas.

    Coerced Abortion/Human trafficking: Laura Decrecenza’s heart breaker in California.
    __________________________________________________________________________________________

    For an extra kicker: per Mike Rinder, some 18 of the top Adherents in South Africa have been summarily declared SPs… Including a HALF-DOZEN OTVIIIs.

    Tommy Davis and Leah will give depositions next week and all of this while The Tent Circus is on.

    I hope in his rage Davey goes too far with Lou and she knocks him out. Heel hook to the jaw.

    • Ruby

      next week depositions for sure??

      • Narapoid

        I thought so… I may have misspoken didn’t I. It’s early December. Sorry, isn’t something up next week though?

    • Jo

      One of the emails on Mike’s blog mentioned Razzline. Its strange, got ads for renting upstat cars etc. http://therazzline.net/

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        Delphi Academy anyone?

        And so many ads for central Florida…

        • Jo

          They have got loads of ads for cold callers.

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        The “Success Stories” page certainly has a familiar ring:

        “We have had a good response, so I know your stats are right on. Awesome!!” G.T. Sunland, CA“Thank you!!! This is such an in-abundance service”. S.E. Clearwater, FL
        “Talk about exchange in abundance!! You did a wonderful job of jazzing up my original message. Great work! Thanks so much!!” J.H. Los Angeles, CA
        “Thank you again for helping me set up my help wanted ad! I just hired a wonderful, fully qualified assistant/communicator for the owners! Now, how do I cancel the ad?” R.K. Tujunga, CA

        http://therazzline.net/content/reviews_success_stories_therazzlinenet_notice_board_classifieds_business_directory_events.html

    • media_lush

      I imagine giving Tommy Davis a deposition will be somewhat akin to trying to give a feral cat a bath in a washing machine….. it’ll fight like the bejeezus to not get in but once it does the bath is inevitable

      edit: please note I do not advocate putting feral cats or cats of any description into washing machines. do NOT do this!

      • Narapoid

        With a shark lawyer, prepped by Marty and Mike, men who have known him most of his life and now enemies on the other end. OOooo he will find a new way to squirm!

  • SLIM

    Ironic that Thomas Davis…
    Among the many hats he accomplished…
    His best position was the AH/IC….
    Ass Hat in charge..

    • Rita Gregory

      We should send him one of these….

  • Ruby

    and BTW…I love this photo of Jeff!!

  • Douglas D. Douglas

    Well, look what Vanity Fair just tweeted:

    • Douglas D. Douglas
      • Graham

        Cruise claims that the magazines “demonstrated that they have no interest in the truth, and will stop at nothing to push [their] sales.” So- not at all like $cientology then.

        • tetloj

          And he was happy to pimp his family for magazines when it suited him….hypocrite

    • SandiCorrena

      BAM!!!

    • Deeana

      Radar has a link to the leaked deposition. Not all pages are there. But enough are there. TC is dumb, folks. Just dumb. He hadn’t read his own complaint, didn’t know what was in it. Thought it contained claims of other objectionable statements and incorrect facts within the article other than just the word “abandoned” appearing on the cover. It didn’t.
      In preparation for the deposition he “looked at the covers of the magazines” in question. When asked if he reads actual articles he answers sometimes he does (I would suspect if they are VERY short) and other times he is “briefed” about articles by his assistant.
      He took great umbrage in thinking the attorney was “comparing him to his father” in terms of poor parenting. She pointed out to him that she had merely quoted HIM from an interview in which he had discussed his father.
      He does run on at a few points. It is an interesting read, guaranteed to keep the tabloid covers in hadlines for weeks!
      #1 Headline: “Tom Cruise admits $cientology caused TomKat split!”

      • Jimmy Threetimes

        It will really hurt his brand as a Hollywood intellectual.

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          OK, that made me laugh.

        • OrangySky

          Oh yes, THAT brand.

          Snicker snorting (in honor of i-Betty)

  • MaxSpaceman

    Tommy Cruize may never develop another long-term relationship ever again. Because, he must go through occurrences such as this. [ the man is pathetically dependent on the advisers from his business religion. [from Vanity Fair]

    Tom Cruise was in a state because he didn’t have a girl. “Can you believe my sister can’t even get me a girlfriend?” he said to David Miscavige, the chief of the Church of Scientology International, as Miscavige joined him and Cruise’s sister Lee Anne DeVette at the opening of the Madrid Scientology center, in September 2004. Mike Rinder, the founding director of Scientology International and former head of the Office of Special Affairs, claims that the star had just said the same thing to him minutes before as they waited for Miscavige, who is referred to by Scientology honchos as C.O.B., chairman of the board.

    Miscavige, according to Rinder and Marty Rathbun, Scientology’s former inspector general and No. 2, prided himself on being able to produce with a snap of his fingers anything Cruise desired, as well as to remove whatever he considered to be obstacles in the star’s life, such as his last wife, Nicole Kidman, and his last girlfriend, Penélope Cruz.

    • Narapoid

      TC is being grilled in these depositions for not seeing Suri for attending $cio events. He’s going to these events looking for a new girl.

  • SandiCorrena

    Nod to Alanis…..Tom that joke they made in the press today, that was you!

  • Rita Gregory

    “Ethics actions must parallel the purposes of Scientology
    and its organizations…The purpose of the organization is to get the show
    on the road and keep it going. That means production.

    We are not in the business of being good boys and girls. We’re in the
    business of going free and getting the organization products roaring.
    Nothing else is of any interest then to Ethics but (a) getting tech in,
    getting it run and getting it run right and (b) getting production up
    and the organization roaring along.

    Therefore, if a staff member is getting production up by having his
    own statistic excellent, Ethics sure isn’t interested. But if a staff
    member isn’t producing, shown by his bad statistic for his post, Ethics
    is fascinated with his smallest misdemeanor.

    In short, a staff member can “get away with murder” so long as his
    statistic is up and can’t “sneeze” without a chop if it’s down…

    So I don’t care what men or women do if they just wear their hats and keep their stats up.”

    Could this policy by Hubbard be used in court to explain what Scientologists believe about “ethics”?

  • media_lush
    • MaxSpaceman

      Very nice. Jon is one admirable fellow. And it’s so cool, his regular interviews with Tony O, in the Bunker.

  • Lia

    I can’t understand why you aren’t onto this. It’s been going on for almost a week!

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2491118/Tom-Cruise-admits-didnt-Suri-110-days-divorce-deposition.html

    • Jimmy Threetimes

      Wow, this will be huge news for those who don’t read the rest of the comments before they post! Seems like it was just leaked today! Thanks

    • Robert Eckert

      The Fail is rather late to this story. There are links down below to the other sites that are on top of it; Radar gives the fullest excerpts from the deposition transcript itself.

    • media_lush

      it only really hit the media big time yesterday after the “leaked” deposition came out through Radar. what’s interesting is that Radar is the National Enquirer’s sister site and Cruise threatened to sue them [through Bert Fields] for $100m and never went through with it…. I’m sure the real big beings behind these media conglomerates are happy to throw him to the wolves now…. his recent films have tanked [in blockbuster terms] and he’s become a toxic liability and embarrassment …. no one [important] has said one thing in his defence [where’s Oprah when you need her, ed]. As a PR client I wouldn’t touch him with a bargepole.

      …. and I’m pretty sure they’ve changed that header from earlier today and added the scientology angle

      • Jimmy Threetimes

        That is something I hadn’t put into the equation, that he is done as a blockbuster draw so now those with previous conflicts of interest are free to allow their media dogs to feast. Do any studio execs have overlapping interests in news/tabloid publications that held them back before? You may have a great story angle, ML.

        • media_lush

          World media is pretty much owned by 6 conglomerates…. TMZ is owned by AOL which used to be merged with Time Warner etc etc – it’s the massive globule of tentacles that are interlocked in more ways that you can normally imagine. The common denominator is money… or the want to make as much of it as possible. Apart from someone like Murdoch [who has a personal axe to grind against the cult through their attempted recruitment techniques with members of his family… or so I understand] I’m pretty sure they’re non-plussed until their moneymaker ceases to bring in the coin. [That’s why they’re not bothered with people like Bieber and Cyrus behaving like asshats [see what I did there) because they’re bringing in the moolah. HOWEVER I’m sure they’ve noticed that two of their biggest flops this summer had a common denominator… scientology!…. One of the jobs of top PR companies is not just to let the press know what their clients are doing but it is to POSITION their client as favourably as possible; increase their Q rating so to speak. If an actor/singer’s Q-rating starts sliding then they become a risk for investment. The more established the Q rating the more worried they become when it starts slipping [Travolta himself went completely off radar if you remember and owes Tarantino a gold plated Mustang.] Cruise here has been really badly advised …. I mean, any lawyer reading that deposition should have realised what a colossal self-inflicted shit-bomb it would be if it became public…. oops, they were dealing with the conglomerate who publishes ‘In Touch’ {Bert Fields IS getting old, ed}.

          I reckon the exec producer for MI5 has had a lot of phone calls from the studio money men these past couple of days, lulz

          • Jimmy Threetimes

            The part about Murdoch’s family is very interesting, does it have to do with Greta Van Susteren? The lone Scientologist on a fundamentalist-leaning network always seemed so strange.

            • media_lush

              nah… I think it’s a lot to do with Jamie Packer [one of his best buddies sons and a media billionaire as well… now deceased]…. it’s late for me now and I’m too knackered to look it up

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              I hear ya, I have to be on my feet in about 5 hours myself. I still think that’s an angle worth exploring further. In hindsight it was such an awful decision to file this suit, but who knew people would be interested in a Tom Cruise deposition where he mentions his divorce and his relationship with his daughter? Who would leak that?

          • Missionary Kid

            Scientology affects your Q rating like the Ebola virus! Great. It just went on my list of things said about $cientology.

  • Jo

    Scientology London FB, here are some of their recent posts.

    Scientology London
    13 hours ago
    “I never really understood what right and wrong were. Now, after studying Scientology, it is very clear to me.”
    #scientology #truth
    Like · Comment · @scientology_ldn on Twitter · Share
    Anita Szombati, Jon Surman, Robert Meister and 4 others like this

    Scientology London
    16 hours ago
    “I had no idea what integrity meant. With this course I felt empowered. I want to live life to the fullest.” #scientology #truth

    Scientology London
    18 hours ago
    “Brilliant set of courses on money. I had little understanding of finance. This course opened my eyes!”
    #scientology #truth

    Scientology London
    Yesterday
    “After this course I understand a lot of what happened in my life. My mind is more and more free!”
    #scientology #truth

  • media_lush

    I’m sure Tony would feel it improper to post his [I think] first Raw Story link here so I’ll do it for him…. you know, clicking links is what makes the internet go round and all that http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/11/07/looks-like-sen-lindsey-grahams-office-is-going-to-need-a-new-voicemail-message/

    • Jimmy Threetimes

      Awww, they should leave poor Honey Graham alone. He doesn’t have control over what he can or cannot say or do. It’s all provided in a briefing each morning and he has no leeway.

      • Robert Eckert

        No, he’s the one who provides the briefings to the juniors.

        • Jimmy Threetimes

          Who shall brief the briefers?

          • Robert Eckert

            At the top of the food chain are certain self-indulgent egos who pursue whatever attention-drawing stunts suit them for the moment. Lindsey is one of those.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              He is one of a handful of the egos you speak of, and I agree with that. But it seems like there is a back channel script that the GOP is expected to fall in line with, whether they are establishment or tea party, and Honey Graham doesn’t write it.

            • Robert Eckert

              There has been very little consistency among the lines that different factions of the GOP take of late. Graham is one of those who would be least herdable, anyway.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              There is consistency to be found, and the best examples are the ACA and Benghazi. I will leave it at that, I had a longer post but such distractions do not belong in the Bunker.

            • Sidney18511

              jimmy…..even the huffington post ran a story a while back comparing the GOP to Scientology due to their cult-like thinking and behavior. And your right THEY DO receive their talking points in the morning which they ALL stick too.

    • MaxSpaceman

      cool, media_L; it’s cool to go exterior off the Bunker! And it’s cool, sometimes, to place a snip right in the post. Like I love that Skip Press snippet you posted below!

  • Noni Mause

    Gah! If only Mark Bunkers knowledge report was being released tomorrow…. viewers would flock to it in light of the media surrounding The Deposition.

    • Room 101

      Has he set a release date yet?

      • MaxSpaceman

        I don’t think he’s done with post production yet.

  • 3feetback-of-COS

    The $courge of $cientology’s celebrity strategy was intended to give the cult an air of legitimacy and attract new converts using celebrities as attractive examples. The unintended downside is that if the celebs leave in a messy way or have other personal messes, it all backfires on the cult. Ironic.

    • edge

      Spotlight and attention is a two-way street–something that the cult didn’t understand until the Tom Cruise video. He hyped Scientology to the moon and back in that video, but to the non-Sci casual observer, he looked like a creepy jerk. Instead of an air of legitimacy, the average person sees him and asks themselves “are they all like that?”. Sadly, when speaking of the hardcore Scis, like the ones who sends out mailers that wind up here or on Mike’s blog, the answer is yes.

  • 3feetback-of-COS
  • media_lush

    off to bed….. here’s a little bonus I don’t think has been posted yet

    http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/lostinshowbiz/2013/nov/07/tom-cruise-david-beckham-friendship

    • DodoTheLaser

      Q: What happened to their friendship?

      A: Well, it’s complicated. But (kind of) amicable.

      • Who wants to be friend with someone having a BT infested body?
        Come on! Can’t you understand Tom?

        And who wants children with BTs? Or wifes with BTs?
        BTs are jumping like lice from one to another. LOL

        • DodoTheLaser

          Q: Who want to be friend with someone having a BT infested body?

          A: You don’t know the history of BT’s, I do.

    • Krew13

      I read that Victoria Beckham was dead against becoming a Scientologist because she was told she’d have to stop giving her second son medication for his epilepsy. So, proof that Posh Spice is actually smart and caring. Good for her and good for David for going with his wife’s decision. Fuck Cruise.

      • DodoTheLaser

        I wondered if it had something to do with Victoria.

        • Krew13

          See my top post, brah!

  • Have a look at the Clear-waterloo update.
    I was wondering where all the happy faces are coming from.
    TampaBay.com should investigate and check the IP-addresses.
    http://www.tampabay.com/news/scientology/scientology-schedules-world-convention-in-clearwater-thanksgiving-weekend/2151140
    “But the church is now merely amending the application it originally
    filed in August, so the city considers the deadline met, Horne said.”
    The TampaBay server seems to be quite slow at the moment.

  • Guest

    ..

  • MaxSpaceman

    —->

  • Lurkness

    could use some help working these CL ads that are both prohibited and spam. They also hide the CoS affiliation.

    http://losangeles.craigslist.org/search/ccc?catAbb=eee&query=310+419+8200&zoomToPosting=

    Some of these have come down–the more than two posts a day violate TOS–makes them both spam and prohibited.

    http://losangeles.craigslist.org/search/ccc?catAbb=eee&query=818+772+7949&zoomToPosting=

    • DodoTheLaser

      “Get Rid of Depression” ad, should read – “Join scientology and Acquire PTSD”.

    • Rita Gregory

      “Bring Your Marriage Back To Life”, shouldn’t that be “Sound The Death Knell On Your Marriage” ?

    • Just Dee

      Thanks for posting the links, I did flag all of them. Just an FYI, they are allowed only 2 posts per 48 hrs. 🙂

    • TXCowgirl

      Done. Out of curiosity I googled © 2012 CSINGLE, which is at the bottom of their listings and up popped many of the very same ads listed on a site called Backpage.com. There is no spam option on that site.

      http://losangeles.backpage.com/Groups/overcoming-your-fears/28072599

  • HCO Chief

    When I was in the Sea Org as an Ethics Officer and someone sent me a Knowledge Report on another Sea Org member (a report of a person’s misdeeds) the first thing I did was look at the accused person’s stats from the previous week. If they were up I would write “sorry upstat” on the top of the report and send it back to the sender. This is what Scientology calls ethics protection. I will say however that in extreme instances such as a Sea Org member sleeping with a public Scientologist, they still would incur a severe tongue lashing (not from me) and end up cleaning a dumpster or visiting the RPF.

  • DodoTheLaser

    “It allowed management by intimidation.”

    “Gee, sounds like every Scientology organization I ever worked for.”

    So true!

    On the opposite vector, I remember working at my first non-scientology job and feeling almost guilty for not being constantly harassed. It was so easy and therapeutic just to do my work, get paid and go home to my family.
    Plus, the co-workers and the customers were so different in a good way, fresh air.

    I also had promotions and raises.

    And new wonderful friends.

    It’s good to be out.

    • Missionary Kid

      On top of that, you’ve been a kind, caring person on this list. Those are two characteristics that are not encouraged or developed in $cientology. I appreciate your fresh air here.

    • aquaclara

      Oh, wow, Dodo. This is just so telling. All that crap before. And now…things are good. It’s great.

    • Hubbub

      Thanks, DTL. There’s always something to complain about in any job… but wow, to imagine working day in and day out in the culture you describe. It takes the term bad job to a whole new level. I’m going to go to my non-cult culture workplace in a few minutes and be much more grateful today. Congrats on the fresh air.

      • DodoTheLaser

        Thank you!

  • Krew13

    As Flavor Flav would say, yeah boyeeeeeee!

    Sony Pictures Classics has acquired US, German and Scandinavian rights to writer/director Paul Haggis’ “Third Person”, a globe-spanning ensemble drama starring Liam Neeson, Adrien Brody, Kim Basinger and James Franco.

    In 2006, Haggis won best picture and best original screenplay Oscars for his ensemble film “Crash.” He also penned the nominated screenplays for Clint Eastwood’s “Million Dollar Baby” and “Letters from Iwo Jima.” His last directorial effort was 2010’s Russell Crowe starrer “The Next Three Days.” In 2011, he courted controversy for his entanglement with Scientology. Release date forthcoming.

  • Krew13

    Woah! Holy fucking shit! This is a 10,000 megaton shocker!

    Tom Cruise: Scientology made Katie Holmes flee

    In a stunning Sept. 9 deposition, Tom Cruise confessed that Holmes dumped him to spare their daughter, Suri, now 7, from the sect, and also admitted that he only saw his daughter 10 times between the middle of
    June and Thanksgiving. The admission was sparked by a $50 million lawsuit accusing Life & Style and In Touch magazines of defaming him in 2012 stories claiming he’d ‘abandoned’ Suri.

    Cruise confessed that Holmes dumped him to spare their now 7-year-old daughter, Suri, from the celebrity-centric religion, according to the deposition, obtained by RadarOnline.

    The “Mission: Impossible” star’s stunning deposition was sparked by his $50 million lawsuit accusing Life & Style and In Touch magazines of defaming him in cover stories in 2012 claiming he had “abandoned” his daughter.

    But when pressed to answer the question, Cruise reluctantly revealed what many have speculated since the couple’s sudden split in 2012.

    “And Ms. Holmes has never indicated in any way that was one of the reasons she left you? … To protect Suri from Scientology?” the Bauer attorney asked.

    Finally, Cruise admitted, “Did she say that? That was one of the assertions, yes.”

    In a follow-up question, the magazines’ attorney asked, “Is Suri currently practicing Scientology?”

    Cruise answered, “No.”

    The magazine’s lawyers grilled Cruise about Scientology rules that consider a person who publicly renounces the religion as a “suppressive person” and a castout by other Scientologists.

    “That is a distortion and a simplification of the matter,” Cruise snapped. “I don’t want to just give an oversimplification of religious doctrine.”

    But when confronted with Scientology’s definition of a “suppressed person” taken form the organization’s website, Cruise admitted that it was an apt description.

    http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/gossip/tom-cruise-admits-katie-holmes-left-protect-suri-scientology-article-1.1510304

    • DodoTheLaser

      Yep. It will get even more interesting from there. Watch.

  • Jgg2012

    As for TD’s “a delusional, bigoted, hate mongering asshat”, Tony is really a friend of Scientology. Think about it: he reveals its teachings (with Claire), its history (logs from LRH aboard the Apollo), writings of LRH, and so on. He interviews Scientologists, and wanted to interview Tom Cruise (who ignored his open letter) and TD. When they are sued, he gives both sides and lets readers decide.
    Oh, revealing the truth shows LRH’s ridiculous beliefs and revealing their legal positions reveals their flip-flops and hypocrisy. In other words, the worst thing to happen to Scientology is revealing the truth. That’s Ortega’s fault?