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When Jon Atack Declared David Miscavige a Suppressive Person

DMDeclareJon Atack is the author of A Piece of Blue Sky, one of the very best books on L. Ron Hubbard and Scientology. He now has a new edition of the book out, and on Saturdays he’s helping us sift through the legends, myths, and contested facts about Scientology that tend to get hashed and rehashed in books, articles, and especially on the Internet.

Jon has a special treat for us today. He thought readers might want to see the document that he prepared back in 1984, declaring Scientology leader David Miscavige a “suppressive person” — the church’s version of excommunication.

Says Jon: “We sent it to every Org and Mission and it was actually read out to rejoicing at staff muster in several. It is amazing to me that subsequent to this, he was able to remove Hubbard’s assigned heirs — the Broekers — and take control, simply because all around were terrified of him.”

 

OT COMMITTEE UK

8 June 1984
Ethics Order 1 Int

All Scientologists

SUPPRESSIVE PERSON DECLARE

DAVID MISCAVIGE

DAVID MISCAVIGE, of Los Angeles, is hereby declared a Suppressive Person.

This is in accordance with the Findings & Recommendations of the Comm Ev on Miscavige conducted at the request of the OT Committee World-Wide. The Findings & Recommendations are available for public view at the OT Committees, and at certain Delivery Centres.

The interested Party failed to appear, nor did the Committee receive any evidence in defence of Miscavige. In the interest of Justice the Committee nevertheless proceeded, despite the recommendation in HCO PL 7, Sep 63: “Refusal or failure of an Interested Party to appear results in a recommendation of the full penalty possible in the case for the Interested Party”.

In June 1981 Miscavige as Chairman of the All Clear Unit forged a despatch purporting to come from LRH. This despatch removed Diane Voegerding, the then CO CMO Int and Miscavige’s senior, from post. This was an act of Mutiny.

David Miscavige was a signatory of the splinter group RTC on January 1st 1982. There is no evidence that this group was authorized by LRH. The “legal” documents transferring Scn Trademarks from LRH to RTC bear a forged signature, and in fact Miscavige notarised these documents although he was a party to one side of the agreement. Further, as the documents bear a forged LRH signature — according to two independent experts: John Swanson and Irmgard Wassard — Miscavige was a party to this forgery.

No HCO PL exists authorizing RTC. RTC has engaged in the perversion of Scn practices. Miscavige was personally involved in the Gang Sec-Checking of Jay Hurwitz, the then CO LA Day, at Gilman Hot Springs in October 1982. This violates HCOB 30 Nov 78, “Confesssional Procedure”, which states: “If the pc is not in session you won’t get the withholds … A wrong or challenging auditor attitude can throw the scene off as there is a destroyed comm cycle”.

During October of 1982 Miscavige assaulted John Aczel and Roger Barnes at Gilman Hot Springs, according to testimony from Jay Hurwitz.

On October 17th 1982 Miscavige verbally declared top Mission Holder Martin Samuels. There is a photograph of him doing so in the Church publication “Sea Org Expansion News”. Kingsley Wimbush and Dean Stokes were also verbally declared at this meeting. This violates HCO PL 16 May 80, “Ethics, Suppressive Acts, Suppression of Scientology and Scientologists”, which states: “all investigations (must) include confronting the accused with the accusation and where feasible the accuser, BEFORE any action is decided upon or taken.” It is worthy of note that Samuels and Wimbush were, at the time of their Declares, the two most successful Mission Holders in the world, by actual stats. HCOPL 15 Aug 67 states “One of the ways an SP works to stop an activity or halt an affluence is to pick out key personnel and spread wild, false and alarming stories about them.”

The “Running Program”, where senior executives were punished by being forced to run around a tree in desert heat for up to 12 hours a day is another example of perverted Tech authorized by Miscavige. This happened from December 1982 to the Summer of 1983. Amongst those on the “Progarm” were David and Merrill Mayo. David suffered an unhealthy loss of weight, physical debilitation and the loss of teeth whilst on the program.

At the San Francisco Mission Holders’ Conference on October 17th 1982 David Miscavige made scornful comments concerning Scientologists in good standing. For example “These bribe days are over. These squirrel days are over.” (See SOED 2104, 7 Nov 82.) Miscavige also threatened Mission Holders with criminal prosecution. This violates HCO PL 18 Apr 70, “Ethics and franchise”, which states: “It is not our policy to harshly handle Franchises … almost without exception Franchise holders are fine, willing people and we trust them to do right”.

Miscavige allowed publication of the SOED of August 1983, “Story of a Squirrel”. This was an attempt to destroy the authority and reputation of one of the highest officers of Scn — the man chosen by LRH as his Technical successor.

Under Miscavige’s direction civil suits have been brought against Scientologists Eddie Mace, Marian van der Linde, Bernard Wimbush, Don Hills, Lawrence West, Robin Scott, Ron Lawley and Morag Bellmaine.

According to HCOB 23 Dec 71R, “The No-Interference Area”: “IT IS VITALLY, VITALLY IMPORTANT THAT ONE GETS ANY PERSON WHO HAS GONE CLEAR THROUGH HIS NEXT REQUIRED STEPS, ONTO OT1 AND THROUGH OT3 RAPIDLY”. HCO PL 23 Sep 64, “Policies: Dissemination and Programmes” states: “one week’s process (25 hours) should cost an average month’s pay”. By violating this Policy the Bridge has become unobtainable, and Scientologists have been placed at risk.

Under Miscavige’s direction almost 2000 SP declares have been issued, most of these without Comm Ev. Many senior executives and top auditors have been Declared or removed (for example: Diane Voegerding, Gale Irwin and John Nelson — all ex-COs CMO; Bill Franks and Kerry Gleeson — both ex-EDs Int; Emile Gilbert — ex-CO Canada; Ron Hopkins — ex-CO UK; Murray Chopping, Leon Steinberg, Merrill Mayo, David Mayo, Alex Gerber, Brian Livingstone, Mike Maurer, Ron Shafran and Alex Sibersky — all Class XIIs).

David Miscavige has been found guilty of the following charges:

HIGH CRIMES

1. Mutiny

2. Organizing a splinter group (RTC) which takes and perverts Scn materials or practices, in whole or in part and still calling it Scientology.

3. Public Statements against Scientology or Scientologists but not to Commitees of Evidence duly convened.

4. Reporting Scientologists to civil authorities in an effort to suppress Scientologists from practicing standard Scientology.

5. Engaging in malicious rumour-mongering to destroy the authority and repute of higher officers and the leading names of Scientology.

6. Spreading false tales to invalidate Clears (and OTs).

7. Spreading libellous statements about the alleged behaviour of Clears (and OTs)

8. Splintering off an area of Scientology and denying it properly constituted authority to “save the organization from the higher officers of Scientology”.

9. Willful misapplication.

10. Bringing civil suit against Scientologists without first calling the matter to the attention of the Ethics Officer.

11. Organizing a splinter group (RTC) to confuse people about the true beliefs and practices of Scientology and to deceive them into considering that they will be able to study part or all of Scientology and receive standard pastoral counselling from the splinter group.

Insufficient evidence was found on the following charges:

Receiving money, favours or encouragement to suppress Scientology or Scientologsists;

Pronouncing Scientologists guilty of the practice of standard Scientology, or of the practice of the religion of Scientology.

Miscavige was found guilty of the following crimes.

1. Placing Scientology and Scientologists at risk.

2. Following illegal policies knowing them to be contrary to those issued by the International Board (or LRH).

3. Not reporting flagrant departures from International Board (and LRH) Policy.

4. Permitting the Organization to collapse.

5. Condoning circumstances and offenses capable of bringing the Organization to collapse.

6. Neglect of responsibility resulting in catastrophe.

7. Being a Potential Trouble Source without reporting it or taking action.

8. Using Scientology harmfully.

9. Using a local Scientology title to set aside Policies from the International Board (and LRH).

10. Instigating a local power push against a senior.

11. Spreading destructive rumours about senior Scientologists.

12. Falsifying a communication from a senior.

13. Causing severe disturbances which have resulted in disrepute.

14. Holding Scientology materials or Policies up to ridicule, contempt and scorn.

15. Condoning the Suppression of the word Scientology in its use and practice.

The Committee also found Miscavige guilty of the following additional charges:

1. Forgery.

2. Fraud.

3. Assault.

David Miscavige is assigned a condition of Treason. All of his certifications and awards are suspended. He is dismissed from all posts and titles in any Scientology organization. Any Scientologist supporting Miscavige’s usurpation of power is guilty of the High Crime of Mutiny. No auditor should give him auditing until such time as he has successfully completed his Ethics conditions and made thorough amends for the damage he has caused. As the Independent Field does not practice Disconnection no restraint is made upon communication with Miscavige. However it is recommended that he be referred to a competent Ethics terminal, as he has proved to be highly enturbulative. Reference should be made to HCO PL 16 May 1980, “Ethics, Suppressive Acts, Suppression of Scientology and Scientologists” beore dealing with Miscavige.

Jon Atack
Chairman OT Committee UK.

 
We told Jon that the reference in the last paragraph to the Independent Field tipped us off that Jon had already left the church when he wrote this.

JON: I had resigned from the cult nine months earlier, in October, 1983.

I was appointed “Chairman of the OT Committee UK” by Captain Bill Robertson that very same month. Curiously, this means that I had authority from the very top to write this issue, where Miscavige has no authority and never has had (it is clear that Hubbard intended the Broekers to take over. He barely knew Miscavige, much as he enjoyed his survival of the fittest tactics).

Hubbard appointed himself “Commodore” and Mary Sue, “Deputy Commodore.” He also appointed Captain Bill “Second Deputy Commodore.” That appointment was never withdrawn by Hubbard, so, with Hubbard “off lines” and Mary Sue ill-disposed, Bill was actually the only Hubbard-appointed boss around. We all rejected the SP declare on Bill, because it didn’t come from Hubbard, who was the only one with authority to issue such a fatwa, because of Bill’s rank.

I knew none of this, when I accepted the grandiose title “Chairman of the OT Committee UK,” and I distanced myself from Bill’s Marcabian notions within days, but I enjoyed my rank and status, if somewhat privately. (I was not only the Chairman of the OT Committee UK, I was also its only member; from October 1983 until I resigned in August 1984. Sadly, I kept no minutes of the official meetings where I discussed profound matters with myself…) There were no other functions ever associated with my exalted status, beyond summoning the Committee of Evidence on Midshipman Miscavige and issuing the SP declare in light of that committee’s findings. It was, sadly, my only published issue as Chairman of the OT Committee UK.

I think the best bit of Lawrence Wright’s generally rather good Going Clear is the chapter about Mr Midshipman Miscavige (the “most compassionate” man Tom Cruise has ever met). Do we know anyone with enough medical knowledge to explain his early over-muscled development? Add to that his obvious testosterone production, his delayed sleep phase syndrome (rises at noon), his asthma and is there something he could take to just calm him down a bit? He’s probably one of the few people who genuinely needs a shot of Ritalin.

It has long seemed strange to me that Scientologists allow someone whose “chronic tone” is noisily and loudly blame to rule over them. At least Hubbard occasionally told a joke or patted someone on the back. The Midshipman is relentless. And when he smiles, his eyes light up. The most jaw-dropping fact — for some reason unknown to me until Wright enlightened me — is that Miscavige smokes. I immediately had an image of him, lounging with his blue mountain coffee, with a Camel in one hand and an inhaler, in the other. This is the Scientologists’ idea of the ideal scene, the perfect OT? And according to the scripture (TM), chronic disability, such as asthma, signifies PTSness. All ten million Scientologists (this number includes “body thetans,” of course) missed that section of the checksheet, somehow. I cannot make head nor tail of it.

 
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Evidentiary Hearing in Garcia v. Scientology Fraud Lawsuit May Get Moved Back

Thursday we reported that Judge James Whittemore has set an evidentiary hearing for July 24 in regards to Scientology’s motion to disqualify Luis and Rocio Garcia’s attorneys in their federal fraud lawsuit against the church.

Ted Babbitt, who represents the Garcias, tells us that he’ll likely ask Whittemore for a later date so that the hearing doesn’t conflict with some other matters that he’s handling.

When we asked him about Brian Culkin, whose declaration is central to the church’s motion to disqualify him, Babbitt said he thought it was likely that Culkin would be deposed before the hearing.

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on June 29, 2013 at 07:00

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  • Bella Legosi

    >D

    That is prolly the most awesome Co$ document EVER!

    • Robert Eckert

      RTC (the “Religious Technology Corporation”) is the official name of the Co$ main entity, has been ever since Miscavige’s coup. The corporate charters for the various interlocking entities are set up so that the Chairman of the Board of RTC is answerable to no-one.

      • Bella Legosi

        i havent gotten too heavily into thechurch history. I remember reading that the RTC was a recent creation in the “church” like being created as Hub was in hiding. What i didnt know was that there were those who consdered RTC a rogue organization! It shows at least someone still had sense enough to know how psycho this man is!

      • Poison Ivy

        Fascinating to think RTC was started by a forgery.

  • Bella Legosi

    I really want my own printing press damn it! I deliver over 100 papers a night, and I am dying to print out documents like this SP declare, or something really really informative and just slip that shit into the papers as I put them together! I would maybe get away with it once tho, before someone called my work and got me fired! But, its still a good idea

    • Sidney18511

      Bella…if you haven’t read Messiah or Madman you should. It has a minute by minute discription of the mission holders meeting. It’s free on the interwebs. Let me know if you want the linky dinky.

      • Bella Legosi

        Ohhhh please do link………I would love a linky link!

      • EnthralledObserver

        Please do anyway for the rest of us…?

      • FistOfXenu

        The more I learn about the early 80’s the more I wonder if LRH really died as late as 86? And did he really die of natural causes? Not pointing the finger at anybody just wondering why it took so long to get rid of the 1 guy that could’ve rocked the boat for the mutineer.

        • Bella Legosi

          I was thinking the same thing when I read some of this today. I, too, am starting to suspect that maybe Hub died a lot earlier then 86. But then I remember that Pat was the only one around him………so I don’t know! But I totally understand what you mean. I have my suspicions too!

          • stateofcircle

            As much as I’d like to go all-out tinfoil on his death – and believe me, I would – I just don’t think the police and coroner were in on it enough in 86 to fake the whole scene and the autopsy report. What do you think about that stuff?

            • Michael Leonard Tilse

              There was no autopsy. Earle Cooley went to great lengths to prevent it. He famously ‘stayed with the body at all times’ until it was cremeated. They came up with a suspicious document claiming that not having an autopsy was a religious choice made by Hubbard. And yet, NO WHERE in scientology is this [religous] belief stated or even hinted at.

              The 11 hours that passed before they called the funeral home. (Not the police), are highly suspicious. The funeral home thought it was hinky, so THEY called the coroner. (Who was doing double duty as a detective in San Luis Obispo County Sheriff’s office.)

              I talked to one of the detectives in 2003 when I was there picking up the documents from their office. He said that if he had been investigating, it would have been handled differently.

              I suspect that is hindsight, given the controversy that extends to this day. But he was clearly not happy with how it was handled in ’86.

              Cooley and Dr. Denk and Miscavige and Broeker, they pulled the wool over the Sheriff’s eyes and prevented an effective investigation and autopsy. IIRC, Dr. Denk provided a sample of LRH’s blood for the Coroner to test. But the Coroner insisted that he test blood taken directly from LRH’s body. The blood taken from the body showed psych drugs, (Vistaril) and an inspection of the body showed recent injection marks.

              Again, IIRC, the blood provided by Denk, when tested did not show the presence of Vistaril. This differential indicates to me that a deliberate cover-up was being done.

              Also very suspicious are the {will} that transferred all LRH’s estate to the {church} and left nothing to his family. Which was {signed} the day before his death, supposedly, and clearly days after the debilitating stroke which caused his death. As per the death certificate signed by Dr. Denk.

              The whole thing stinks to high heaven. I have hoped that Marty or Steve ‘Sarge’ P. would shed some light on the actual events. Of course Pat Broeker would likely be of great help with his recollections. Perhaps, now that nothing more can be done to hurt Annie, he will tell the story from his viewpoint.

            • stateofcircle

              But do you think he could have died before January of 86, as suggested above? My thing is, they cant preserve a body for months or years. The only way, IMO, that his death could have occurred before this time is if the cops and coroner were in on it, creating the whole fake scene.

              I had never read about Denk’s blood sample, that’s interesting. Are there any docs on this? (I’m not asking because I don’t believe you – I do – I am just curious to read more juicy tidbits on this. I’ve read the autopsy reports and and the police report. It was awhile ago though so maybe I missed something or forgot.)

              Of course the whole event is shadiest shade ball of shadeness, and there is no doubt in my mind that something, or possibly many things, were involved in this scenario.

            • Observer

              Blood degrades fairly rapidly. They would have been able to tell if the sample they were analyzing had been stored for any length of time.

            • stateofcircle

              Yeah, that was my thinking. It definitely would have required a vast and airtight scheme to pull something like this off, with too many people involved methinks.

            • Michael Leonard Tilse

              I don’t think he was dead before Jan ’86. I don’t have any feel that cops or coroner (In San Luis Obispo, the detectives do double duty as coroner), were ‘in’ on any kind of coverup or misdirection.

              They were simply not expecting the manipulation and bullshit that landed on their plate. They had no idea that the founder of an international fraud worth millions of dollars was even living in their county. I doubt they were experienced enough with the kind of tactics they were faced with to realize what was going on. At the very least, the consequences of doing a thorough investigation that turned up nothing was a nightmare for them with all he legal posturing that was going on. They didn’t insist on the autopsy, and that was a mistake forced by Cooley.

              The other mistakes made hinged on no complete original investigation being done. After that the questions about Miscavige notarizing a questioned document he himself benefited from, the questionable will, the transfer of assets, etc., just slid down the black hole. Miscavige brought so much legal firepower that it intimidated the legal system from doing their job to ensure everything was legal and legitimate.

              In my opinion, the event of LRH’s death and the surrounding transfer of assets and power to the {church} and Miscavige are the nexus that has the potential of bringing Miscavige down. I believe he, at the least, was responsible for intentionally removing Hubbard’s medical care in order to speed his death, and for forging fraudulent documents that transfered money and power to Miscavige and his cronies.

            • Kitz

              I had hoped that you would talk about this. Thanks for the memory jog (getting to the point that I’m not sure what we have or haven’t discussed, lol). I’ve been wondering who’s blood was given up as LRH’s for the testing.. It would of had to be the same blood type for no flags to have risen when it was tested.

              I agree that Pat’s viewpoint would be good to hear, and tie up some of those loose questions that are floating around.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              I too, hope Pat eventually talks.
              I would love to hear it from the Horses mouth (so to speak)

            • Captain Howdy

              I just always assumed that Hubbard’s signature on the will was forged. Thanks for the info, Michael.

            • Captain Howdy

              I just always assumed that Hubbard’s signature on the will was forged. Thanks for the info, Michael.

            • FistOfXenu

              I’m not saying I know because I don’t. But the cult has practice at manipulating the official picture of how some body died. It’s in Atack’s book how back in the 70’s Susan Meister’s death was screwed with by $cientology. It’s chapter 21. Seems to me the whole point of the way they kept changing the story was to keep any body from trying to find out what really happened. It’s not like they consider it their duty to tell the truth to any body about any thing they do and they don’t exactly consider the death of any body deserves respect. And that includes members. I’m just asking the question.

        • Observer

          There are images of Hubbard’s death certificate and coroner’s report online, all with the date of 1/24/86. I think Hubbard was so non compos mentis for the last year or two of his life that he wasn’t a real threat to Davey’s ambitions.

      • Peter

        It always amazed me that when all the mission holders were ordered to put Herbie Parkhouse as a signatory on their accounts, that they did not smell a rat. ( I had met Herbie several times at SH and personally thought he was a very degraded being.) I simply refused to add his name to our accounts and began closing down, sending our students and pcs elsewhere. By the time of those meetings took place, I was completely closed down and didn’t bother attending the meeting.

    • ze moo

      Hubbard was feeling the cold wind of death on his neck by 82, he wanted to be remembered for all the ages so he began the archive project. The wit and wisdom of Lrooon engraved on titanium for all the ages, just what mankind needed. The perfect end to a narcissistic obsessive compulsive sociopath like Lrooon.

      Lroon wanted more money to do this project and the mission holders had plenty available. So he had Miscavige screw them and take over the missions. The dwarfenfΓΌrher was Lroons chosen instrument of control, his Himmler or Beria. Davey just had the stones to use this action to take over. Something Himmler or Beria would have done if they had the chance.

  • DodoTheLaser

    Dear government agencies, media and everyone –
    what Jon Atack did in 1984, reminds me what Debbie Cook did in 2012.
    And them two are not even related. The long list goes on.

    This is why we are here and everywhere. For justice and peace.

    • Bella Legosi

      One of these nights when I am especially creative, I should put together a mock indictment and list individual charges! I need to brush up on those writing skills anyways! Something like that would be a hit! I think it would surpass my remake of “Old Time of Rock n Roll”

      • DodoTheLaser

        Youtube “Ich Will” for music inspiration. Stay legal.

        • Bella Legosi

          HA quit using them freaky powers………this is actually what I am rocking out to!

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1st6O1tqII&feature=share&list=FLvF6fTKbl_gjNx0paQlftsw

          You really have no idea how much I want Till Lindmann’s baby/babies! *sighs* One day, one day! And YES, I love him even tho he is in a fat suit! I

          • monkeyknickers

            OMG BELLA – I just watched this for the first time yesterday! How uncanny! Then I spent ages watching their vids. They are SO weird and scary. Dig! πŸ™‚

            • Bella Legosi

              hehehe oh I love my Rammstein! My absolute favorite is Mein Teil……..of course! But, Kline Lust is a very close 2nd!

              πŸ™‚

            • Captain Howdy

              Mein Teil, Pussy and Amerika are my favs.

            • Bella Legosi

              i can sing Rosenrot and actually know some of the lyrics in german, but then i think of fuher frei, buck dich, and amerika…….lets just say i am a fan! Reise reise is good too, so is Los…..ok so i have 5 favorites lol

            • Captain Howdy

              You don’t like “Pussy”?

            • Bella Legosi

              I love the video……but its not one of the songs I listen to often.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Of course she likes pussy Captain!
              πŸ˜‰

          • L. Wrong Hubturd

            OMG that video is great. Never seen it before. It reminds me of this because of Alex in the fat suit too:

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNcAYv7GYUM

            • Bella Legosi

              Well thank you! I have never seen that before now! lol Are you a fan of Trailer Park Boys? Check out the episode,Closer to the Heart on YT.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Just watched it. Funny! Thx!

            • Bella Legosi

              God bless Nova Scotia!

            • Bradley Greenwood

              Awesome! I put this link on my blog.

            • stateofcircle

              Can you post the link to your blog?

            • Bradley Greenwood

              Yes…On Tumblr, anyway.

            • Captain Howdy

              OMFX! I almost missed this one. Dude sounds just like Geddy. That’s brilliant.

          • Bradley Greenwood

            That’s MY suit! CHAZ… give it back!

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              So now we’re tied at 1-1 for Chaz references. I’ll try harder.

            • Bradley Greenwood

              I’m not really “laughing out loud” most of the time I type “LOL”; this time was an exception. πŸ™‚

          • DodoTheLaser

            Funny awesomeness!

    • Poison Ivy

      Yeah, Dodo!

  • DodoTheLaser

    If Brian Culkin will get deposed – things might get really interesting.
    Hope we will get to read his deposition.

    • Bella Legosi

      Aye, depositions are always interesting!

  • Exterrier

    This should be reissued and sent around to all the indie groups and blogs, and especially Marty’s site. It ought to shake em up a bit. I had no idea Jon had created such a document. Boy, nutty Captain Bill must have been a trip to have as one’s senior, of maybe the first indie splinter group. It would have saved me a lot of trouble to have read a declare order like this before I began dabbling with Scn in the nineties, and would have explained so much of the isolation and devastation and fear that I found traces of when I got involved. You could tell from the old timers’ sad looks that scientology used to be a lot more fun for them before the takeover by DM’s iron hand regime. He was the Cromwell of the church, with his tight ass, fear based rule. I really wondered how a group so stiff and paranoid could have expanded the way it had up to DM’s takeover. But it was an organazation with built in amnesia for its own history. You could not ask questions about the past. The only way to find out would have been to read Jon’s book, which was forbidden. Everything about the church was a mystery, even to members, and anybody who knew about the past had been excommunicated or simply was keeping their mouth shut out of fear. that was palpable.

    • Bella Legosi

      Not to discuss the past or be forbidden to read certain books are the red flags many don’t seem to see early on. I look at it this way; if there is some information that may “shake” my faith, I want to know about it, I want to read it, and then I will discuss this with fellow believers. To suppress and forbid people or publications is a kin to admitting that there is something very wrong with in this “faith”. So, what is more detrimental? Talking or discussing “forbidden” works or burying your head in the sand while screaming, “LIES LIES LIES”?

      That is why I really don’t get Co$. On the face of it all they make it out to be groups of very inquisitive people, but from what I have read it seems it is that inquisitive nature which gets erased once you resign yourself to the belief that the “church” is 100% right with 100% certainty. The further you go on in Co$ the more it really begins to smell like a cult.

      • Exterrier

        So, so right, Bella. Some things that were experienced early on helped me, so I “played along” with the installed policy of not letting “black pr” get in the way of future wins. But if you play along with that too long, you install this permanent non think filter that they all put in place, and become just like all those true believers that we see the anonymous picketers arguing with. Man, it amazed me how uncurious about the past these Scns were….it seemed pretty sci fi culty for a bunch of people who were supposed to be able to experience anything, be cause over everything, etc.
        And this part is ironic: I actually did find and read parts of Bare Faced Messiah when I first got involved. But the story it told of “Ron” and the cult was so, so bad and weird that I found it unbelievable, {but now I know Scientology is “always worse than you think”}, So I decided to continue for a while with my “wins” and the fun I was having, and put reading all that on hold for a while. Since I had no family in it, it took me a while to spot the evil stuff…..but after I noticed that nothing past the intro courses on communication actually worked, other than placebo and self delusion, I took a while to read the stories of the kids born into it, and the sea Org horror stories, and then moved up to Lermanet, Jon Atack, Gerry Armstrong and others, and finally found Tony’s blog. Wow.

        • Bella Legosi

          I am so very happy that you found ……everything and congrats on taking the true bridge to total freedom! The net can only do so much and it is those like youself, who share this that can really have a positive effect. I hope you lnow this! Keep on keeping on! Read and discuss. Discussion is your friend and those who will allow discussion and listen are real friends.

    • Sidney18511

      exterrier….if you don’t mind me asking, how long did your dabbling adventure last?

      • Exterrier

        A little over ten years…… I had a couple of really intense years after a divorce experience, and the immersion was fun for a bit, til I simply saw too much culty weirdness, and really did just sort do courses slowly and hang around for the free cheese at events.
        After a while I noticed I was not really doing anything much with them, and while doing the Dwarfenfurer’s mandated Golden Age redo of the PTSSP course, it dawned on me that the only thing I was PTS to was him and scientology, and that it was slowing down my life. Sort of like sitting at a bus bench too long, and realizing after a few hours that the buses weren’t running that day due to a holiday or whatever. So I quietly slipped away, searched out all the books on the internet, like Piece of Blue Sky, Barefaced Messiah, etc, and then I went on with my life, which instantly became far more exciting. Why on earth would anyone think that they have to endlessly study about life in order to live it, and then never allow themselves the time to live it?

        • Sidney18511

          Thank you for the reply Exterrier! It is always heartening to hear the stories of the ex-scions because it acknowledges the possibility of other still-ins doing the same thing.
          But if it wasn’t for that DAMN CHEESE you might of left sooner!

          • stateofcircle

            Speaking of exes and their stories, I haven’t seen Roman around in a couple of days. I really enjoy getting the inside scoop from him, it’s always good and juicy!

  • DodoTheLaser

    On behalf of humanity (or anyone who even ever heard of scientology), I would like to publicly declare L. Ron Hubbard a Suppressive Person and Scientology a Suppressive Group. And their pamphlets and press releases.
    Their only terminal is the Internet. And humanity.

    • Bella Legosi

      >D

      I love ya DoDo!

      • DodoTheLaser

        It really is mutual, dear Bella! Thank you!

        • Bella Legosi

          Awww making me blush!

    • Observer

      Dodo, consider yourself hugged!

      • DodoTheLaser

        Thank you, friend.

  • LongNeckGoose

    Copies of this should be nailed to the front door of every Scientology building, as Martin Luther did with his 95 theses. (Duck tape would work, too.)

    • Sidney18511

      LNG….I was JUST thinking the very same thing!

      • FistOfXenu

        And it’s doable. If you’re reading this look into the best way to attach this without damaging building fabric. No sense in giving the weepies fuel for their pity party.

    • Bella Legosi

      If someone used tape instead of nails, would that be considered “vandalism”? I am sure the people at the orgs or missions would construe it as “vandalism”, but would the police?

      πŸ˜€ just curious…….

  • DodoTheLaser

    Also, 1984 is brilliantly ironic.
    George Orwell comes to mind.
    Good timing, Jon.

  • BosonStark

    You’ve got to respect Jon’s authority as “Chairman OT Committee UK” because aside from LRH, no Scientologist had a Loon Level as high as Capt. Bill.

    But I think some people have a “misunderstood” about COMMAND INTENTION. The COB has it! What he says goes. And if you don’t like it, he’ll get his secretary to bend your fingers back, and worse.

    Mr. Miscabitch is not only the most compassionate person in this sector of the guh-laxie, he’s also the most intelligent. Tom Cruise said so, and he should know because he dropped out of high school, but he married a high school graduate, Katie Holmes.

    Boson Stark

    Chairman OT Committee My Living Room
    As Appointed by the Ghost of Tintoretto

    • Bella Legosi

      You forgot that Tom is also the “most dedicated $cientologist” Little Boots has ever known!!!

      XP
      ^ that is my puke face font

    • Captain Howdy

      Hey! I’m the only “real’ officer around here bucko. So you and the rest of this motley crew better “make it so” and row, row, row.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Loon level. hah. good one
      My husband is Chairman of the Garbage Patrol, the Garden Shed, and Tech Support office.
      I am Chairman of the Kitchen, where I rule as Queen, appointed by said always hungry husband.

      • FistOfXenu

        And I am the great ruler of the rebel forces of the guh-LAX-y, so don’t fuck with me. Strap Midshitman Miscavige to a volcano and stick an h-bomb up his ass.
        πŸ™‚

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Sure, that Sounds impressive…until your stomach BT’s start grumbling and jumping up and down. Then, who rules? Queen of the Kitchen. That’s Okay, FOX, it took my hubby 30 years to learn this. Also, toilet seat down.

          • Robert Eckert

            Reminds me of the old joke about the parts of the body arguing over who should be the Boss. The Brain said, “I should be the Boss because I’m the smartest” but the Hands said “We should be Boss because you can’t do anything without us” and the Eyes argued “You couldn’t see what to do without us”. The Asshole just said “I’m the Boss” and puckered up. After a while the other body parts were feeling sick and logy, and just had to give in. And that’s why, everywhere, the Asshole is the Boss.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              haha…I forgot about that golden oldie. Hope Jon reads this as it will explain not only why Miscavige is the boss, but says a Lot about those who agree…and salute.

          • FistOfXenu

            Stomach BTs are easy. I share the cooking in my house. Mrs FOX loves bbq but doesn’t like playing with the fire pit. πŸ™‚

            • richelieu jr

              Ah yes, the fire pit– ‘Chez Davey’ as we call it here!

    • Robert Eckert

      Now, don’t forget to take minutes the next time the OT Committee convenes!

      • BosonStark

        In my house, the OT Committee convenes only when we have an Overflow Toilet situation, which isn’t very often.

        • Robert Eckert

          And it’s probably very difficult to take minutes when the paper is all wet…

  • Truthiwant

    The Miscavige story has a haunting similarity to the rise to power of all dictators (Germany 1930’s for example?) and what he is accountable for within the Church of Scientology goes even beyond what the Church could possibly accept as a Suppressive Person act that would need him to do his A to E ethics handling.

    However, Miscavige has been the head of Scientology since Hubbard’s death and it was this individual that got a standing ovation from all the Scientologists in 2006 when he announced at the annual event that he had found half a dozen semi-colons missing from LRH’s Tech and that the new publications called The Basics were now 100% Standard Tech!

    It’s all beyond belief!

  • FLUNK_101

    “Do we know anyone with enough medical knowledge to explain his early over-muscled development?”
    What gets me is the protruding forehead. Is David Miscavige on steroids?

    • Bella Legosi

      I was thinking the same thing! But, did he ever have an acne problem?

      I like to think he has man junk the size of a Weiner Dog! Roids will do that ya know!

      • FistOfXenu

        You mean those things they put on tooth picks at fancy parties, Bella?

        • Bella Legosi

          LOL

          Yep, Lil Smokies is what they are called!

          • L. Wrong Hubturd

            Oh boy, where’s Observer when you need a Lil Smokie shooop?

      • MissCandle

        Hey, my three wiener dogs are oversized. (this is a literal statement)

        • Observer

          The Observer household is also host to wiener dog overlords, one of whom is coming up on 18.

          • MissCandle

            Thank you, Observer. My oldest (and formerly miniature) wiener dog is “just” 14. I hope she has the same longevity as yours.

    • DodoTheLaser

      Asthma is a serious bitch. Not sure about Dianetics, Asthma Rundown or the awesome OT levels,
      but steroids might just do it. Only a guess.

      • Bella Legosi

        Depending on how bad the asthma is if he is taking inhalers he is ingesting cortical steroids. They can give you a feeling of being zippy or tweeky if you take too much. But there is a pleathera of inhalers that use different combos of steroids and uppers. Hell, meth used to come in an inhaler form until it was taken off the shelves in the 60s. Amphetamines were originally used for asthmatics and “lungers”.

        • sugarplumfairy

          I’ve read that his asthma was pretty bad as a cjild.. It’s one of the reasons his dad joined co$.. He bought the hard sell that dianetics could cure it..

          • stateofcircle

            What ended up happening with his asthma? Does it still effect him? I’m sure I’ve missed some obvious information about this, but I can’t recall reading anything about it beyond that it was bad as a child.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              {the tech cured it}

            • BuryTheNuts2

              I had very bad childhood asthma and almost lost my life a couple of times because I was so far removed from medical help.
              I don’t know what Dave’s was like, but I had very infrequent attacks, but when I did have one…it would close my throat and I would have to go to the hospital.
              I was never put on inhalers or meds for it….don’t know why. Maybe because it would not have helped my situation.
              I had my last asthma attack at about 15 or 16 on hike in the Zion Narrows and a friend basically carried me out the last half mile.
              But then I never have had another attack since.
              Asthma is a weird and hella scary thing to deal with.
              That feeling of not being able to breathe is so horrific. The panic and anxiety are indescribable. I can still remember it vividly.

            • Pretty sure I read something on Marty’s blog a while back that talked about him still suffering from it.

      • 1subgenius

        Roid rage.

      • sugarplumfairy

        Good guess.. Inhaled corticosteroids don’t usually have the ‘rrhoid rage’ side effect, though.. They are known for causing weakness, muscle wasting, growth inhibition and impotence, however.. And that could certainly piss a guy off..

        • ze moo

          Look at the early pics of DM from 86 on ward. He has an angular face and the somewhat lean build of an anabolic steroid user. The stories of 4 or 5 low carb meals every day point to a high calorie intake with little weight gain. You can low fat all the meals you want, if you eat 4 or 5 times a day, you are going to get fat. Davey doesn’t. Anabolic steroids are Davey’s drug of choice.

          • stateofcircle

            That’s not necessarily true. Eating several small-to-medium meals a day, provided they are comprised of lean protein, whole grains, soluble and insoluble fiber, and certain fatty acids is actually preferable to 3 large meals in a day. Like anything, it comes down to quality, not quantity. From everything I’ve read about his diet, it is moderately healthy (minus the scotch) and consists of the things I mentioned above. When I work with clients trying to loose weight and/or build muscle, most of the time – depending on their current condition – my meals plans consist of anywhere between 4-7 small meals per day. This also keeps ones metabolism working harder, thus more efficient. But, if someone is eating pizza, burgers, ice cream and various processed foods as their meals, they will assuredly gain weight in the form of fat. The other thing to keep in mind with his diet, from what I understand, is he eats very little processed food, which is important. The meats, cheeses and grains he eats are minimally if at all processed, and are of the finest quality. To be general, foods that are highly processed and contain weird ingredients basically confuse your body, which ends up doing all kinds of bad things things like not absorbing all the good stuff (vitamins, minerals, omegas, etc), storing more fat, raising cholesterol, clogging stuff up, causing heartburn or fun stuff in the other end, among many other things. As I mentioned in an earlier post, DM probably sees the best wog doctors and nutritionists when he leaves the base, and is receiving the best treatment in order to keep himself healthy (again, minus the scotch and smoking).

            • ze moo

              Long term steroid use has some nasty health consequences. I would have expected to see some of these consequences by now. Maybe he just skips the cal-mag?

            • stateofcircle

              For sure, it absolutely does. But it also depends on what kinds of steroids, as there are a myriad of types. I mean, it bodes well for him that he (apparently) has a very healthy diet and exercises a lot, which can abate physical symptoms somewhat, but I am not familiar enough with long term steroid use to really judge. A part of me thinks he may have used steroids, and the other part of me thinks he’s just a natural angry lunatic.

            • MissCandle

              Back in his childhood before today’s asthma treatments, sometimes parents had to make the choice for their children: take steroids and breathe … or not.

            • ze moo

              Watch the WWE {professional wrestling} for behavior clues. Davey does sound like a ‘natural’ sociopath. I just wonder if he had chemical help to become that.

            • stateofcircle

              Do you ever wonder if he is a true believer, or knows it’s all bullshit and gets off on the power and control?

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          His mom reportedly referred to him as “little Hitler” when he was young, so his anger management problem sounds like it started early.

          • Peter

            L’il Hitler’s RAGE MISMANAGEMENT gives anger management a bad name. πŸ™‚

            • FistOfXenu

              Gives anger a bad name too. Maybe not quite gives Hitler a bad name, but maybe in the future we’ll have a rule like Godwin’s to say that the 1st person that compares somebody to Miscavige loses the debate.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Go tell that to the indies!

            • FistOfXenu

              Don’t get me wrong. Liar Ron Humbug is already most of the way there.

            • stateofcircle

              I wonder how history will look back on Miscavige.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              By the way….
              DAVE!
              Remember Shelly!
              (Oh yeah, we know she is locked away at twin peaks)
              I hope someday she nails you to the wall!!!

            • stateofcircle

              I hold out a little hope that she will wake up enough to start plotting her escape, a la Katie Holmes. It would certainly have to be planned to the smallest detail, painstakingly so, since there is no doubt in my mind that her life would be in grave danger if she did leave. If she could somehow get in touch with Ron Jr, Sr and Jenna and get their help with logistics, including hiding her, I think it’s possible. Once she is knowingly out in the open and (hopefully) goes on record, they really can’t do anything to physically harm her, as there would be no doubt as to who the culprit would be, and his reign would effectively be over. I’m sure she is under extremely tight guard, but she is not stupid, and she knows the inner workings better than most. There is nothing left in the cult for her; she has no children, her mother passed away (under incredibly questionable circumstances), and her in-laws are out. Actually, I think she has a sister still in, but I believe that’s it, and it’s not like she is allowed to communicate with her. The only thing keeping her there (well, besides all of the guards and security cameras…) is, as Wright so aptly put, her prison of belief.

            • FistOfXenu

              “David who?”

          • MissCandle

            That nickname from his own mother sure says a lot. And who has known him longer (and presumably better) than his mother?

          • FLUNK_101

            Casa loca … La Casa Endiablada de
            la mama …

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Are you channeling a Spanish dude with a demon breast fetish?

            • FLUNK_101

              guera!

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Hey EDIT man….first I was just “Guera”….Now I am “Guera Loca”!

              ΞœΟ€ΞΏΟΞ΅Ξ―Ο„Ξ΅ Ο„ΟΞ΅Ξ»ΟŒ Ρλληνικά.

        • Victoria Pandora

          didnt wright mention that one of daves roomates at st. hill saw syringes in his night stand? i read that in some book.

        • Observer

          I can vouch for the lack of ‘roid rage–I’m on Flovent all summer, every summer (my lungs do not like hot, humid weather, just like the rest of me). I’ve never had any of the other side effects, thank goodness.

      • FistOfXenu

        “The Demented Midget is a bitch”

        Fixed.

    • FistOfXenu

      HIs forehead is what’s left from when they had to saw off the horns.

      • BuryTheNuts2

        I never noticed that protruding forehead before.
        Whoa!
        It is very GEICO caveman.

  • BosonStark

    Some of you guys better watch out, because Mr. Miscabitch could get mad, real mad, and he’ll reinstate Tommy Davis as spokescreature and together they’ll let Xenu out of his mountain prison to get ya.

    I’m not afraid because I consider Xenu to be one of the most intelligent and compassionate evil galactic overlords ever.

    Now, how’s about a SP Declare for LRH? Seems to me he was totally out-tech in his last years, when he should have been appointing someone like Cruise or Travolta to lead his celebrity space cult. Instead he was demonstrating how he lied about having discovered the “secrets to controlling the aging process.” Just send it to the implant station on Mars.

    • Bella Legosi

      I say let the little tyrant get angry. Let everyone see his true nature. Everyone has their breaking point, it is just sad that sadistic psychological and physical abuse seems to be the last straw.

      If he really loses his shit we can write up an admissions letter from the Miscaivage Hospital for the Criminally Insane! (That is probably one of the greatest lines ever to come out of General Hospital……which was the soap a certain boss of mine watched…..heh heh)

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        [IMG]http://i41.tinypic.com/16lcr50.jpg[/IMG]

        • Bella Legosi

          HA

          I LOVE it!

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        I predict the little one may have a heart attack or stroke before we ever get to see any legal recourse. Smoking, drinking, high strung, super stressed out. Sounds like a recipe for arterial explosion. I hope those at the {base} treat him as well as the Clearwater monkeys treated poor Lisa. He deserves nothing but the finest of touch assists…preferably to the side of the head. No ER, no EKG, no REAL medical tech.

        • stateofcircle

          I would bet that he sees the best wog doctors on his trips off-base. With his age and lifestyle, I wouldn’t be surprised if he has a cardiologist and is on some sort of medication for blood pressure or something. Just like Hubbard was the king of “do as I say, not as I do”, Miscavige does the same. Fortunately for Miscavige, I believe he is more evil than he is insane, unlike Hubbard, and is receiving proper treatment to keep him healthy (minus the smoking). After all, he knows better than to go up the bridge and get auditing.

          • And I don’t rent cars!

            Are you kidding? The Munchkin King would have “the best wog doctors” living on Int Base and as part of his traveling entourage, a la the King of Pop, and other kingdom Kings.

            • Bella Legosi

              That’s kinda what I was thinking. I thought if he really really needed a real doc, he would either say, “Fuck it I am COB!” and then make up some policy, pass it off as “undiscovered” Hub, get help, and then declare the policy “squirrel” as soon as he didn’t need those wog docs!

        • FistOfXenu

          You predicting or wishing?

          • L. Wrong Hubturd

            Is all of the above an option? Nah, not really. I’d rather see him suffer through a long, drawn-out federal legal battle, then meet Bubba, then and only then have a painful heart attack.

        • Feel my hammer!

          (Screams)

          Thank You!

          Feel my hammer!

          (Screams)

          Thank You!

  • SciWatcher

    Sounds like Miscavige was a psychopath from the very start. The use of steroids for asthma in children can inhibit physical growth, and so can the more severe mental disorders. Little Davey seems to have gotten a double dose.

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    Thank you, Jon, for a walk down memory lane of the Real fun times of scientology. Well, it was fun for the masochists and sadists and those whose minds had turned to jelly, the latter representing the majority by the mid 80’s. Never got to see this delicious declare, but then Miscavige’s name was not widely known at the time.

    The Great Mission Purge resulted in keeping the Sea Orgs from shutting down. I don’t know if much is written about this. At first, some were cheering. Prior to this Purge, conditions of the orgs physically, financially were dire, far behind on operating expenses, maintenance nil, and staff had been on a Steady diet of rice and beans, little sleep. Hubbard had spiked prices resulting in cash flow halted to a trickle, while simultaneously demanding 80% of Gross Income to go to the GO (and eventually to Hubbard’s dusty suitcases in the closet. There were other %’s to go to Flag, and Bridge Publications, Author Services. Screaming is the #1 Actual tech org execs use when it becomes obvious that management “tech” didn’t work. Finance Committee meetings were almost bloody. Discussions began about how many weeks we had before the orgs would have to close their doors.

    Suddenly there was public flooding the doors and new money plopped on the table. Public just using “old” money on account had been draining every piggy bank. The names of the “Who’s” and the idiotic “Why’s” for all this misery for the last several years used up the orgs’ supplies of goldenrod colored paper and became So absurd that this was one of ten major Red Flags that popped up for all of us. When the money came in, and the conditions stayed the same, people like David Mayo getting declared, certain books, movies (there was no internet then) forbidden and TV’s confiscated, were more red flags.

    Then the next Purge came, and suddenly I woke up in a dark, dank hallway where 95% of all the execs of PAC were sitting on the cracked linoleum floors, sobbing or staring blankly on the wing of the new RPF gulag. If you looked out the window, you would be looking out at that creepy view of the Blue Building with the outstretched arms. I believe this was the final red flag, both for staff and public.

    This is how the mass exodus began. When I look around at All the reports coming in, this is happening again but on steroids, both the environment and the conditions 10x more horrific, and not just happening in the sea org orgs, but all the orgs. What missions are left today are a hole in the wall behind some shopping center, manned by one staff, open on Tues and Thurs evenings. The Missions made the wealth because the policy was that Ethics/Justice enforcer tech was Not to be used ever and the intro product line was friendly and easy to read, generic self help. Miscavige has replaced the Missions as golden goose with gullible and status happy Whales and the IAS Vultures who love them. Scientology is crumbling all around him. It will take pumping back most of his Billions to save it now, and hell will likely freeze over first.

    And Jon, many of us still wonder why those who stayed were thinking. It is amusing in a nails on chalkboard kind of way to hear these same people emerging into the light, all these decades later, critisizing and lecturing US on how it was all Miscavige’s fault, and Hubbard was the Dupe. (smacking forehead again)

    • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

      The whole mess has to be someone’s fault and that someone can’t be L.Ron.

      Go back to January, 1986. The cult founder had died. Who could sell this poison to the public and keep the cash flowing? It would have to be a vicious prick, a man of unbridled greed. There were no shortage of those, but it would have to be a wily one, willing to sacrifice others for his own sake. He would have to be clever enough to avoid jail. Smart enough to avoid personal scrutiny. And preferably, someone who understood real estate.

      Well, Richard Nixon wasn’t available. Billy Sol Estes was already in the slammer. Mrs. Ron was weak. Marty, Pat and Mike weren’t smart enough or they would have seized power themselves. John was too gay. Tom was working on his career. David Miscavige became the man who could lead and he has kept the poison flowing for more than a quarter century. What a man!

      I have a prediction. After Dave, there will be ten leaders in ten years, as we gleefully watch the cult go into non-existence.

      • i-Betty

        One day he will die. And there is nothing he can do to prevent that.

        • stateofcircle

          it really does make me wonder who could fill DM’s shoes once he’s gone, since he routinely offloads or imprisons anyone showing the slightest bit of promise, strength or initiative. I know there is no shortage of crazy in Scientology, but I think LolliCOB is well aware of how he got to the top and systemically removes any possibility of someone doing that to him.

          • L. Wrong Hubturd

            Now you’ve gone and ruined my boba…..you suck. πŸ˜‰ I’ll think of DM every time I visit Lollicup for a bubble tea damn you.

            http://www.lollicup.com/

          • Captain Howdy

            Every dictator who ever existed spent more time watching their backs than their fronts. It’s Dictator 101.

            • Robert Eckert

              The record for longest reign set by Pepi II of the Old Kingdom of Egypt has never been broken: 92 years. He was enthroned at the age of ten, so the first three decades were a regency: when he came of age, the regents were supposed to turn over the power, but they just didn’t. Finally when he was about 40 the senior regent died and Pepi managed to assassinate the rest of the council. So the next three decades were an absolute monarchy: he constantly toured the country micro-managing everything, and would kill anybody who seemed to be assembling even a little bit of power, including eventually all his sons or other potential heirs. Then he went senile, but somehow stayed physically healthy and lived to the century mark. Those last decades were an anarchy, because everyone was still terrified of the old man. Occasionally he would have lucid days and would lash out at anyone who seemed to be trying to take over. When he died, Egypt disintegrated completely: the “Intermediate Period” lasted centuries before the Middle Kingdom reunified.

            • Captain Howdy

              Thanks. I learned something new today.

            • Robert Eckert

              There is a weird mythological text from the period talking about Pharoah Pepi in code. Wicked men whisper “Ra is old! His bones are of silver, his skin is of gold, his beard is of lapis lazuli!” Ra punishes the men who mock him by sending the all-seeing Eye of Ra, in the disguise of a beautiful goddess who has an unquenchable thirst for blood:

              http://books.google.com/books?id=Fj_V0k_URowC&pg=PA43&lpg=PA43&dq=ra+is+old,+his+skin+is+of+lapis+lazuli&source=bl&ots=hUjjwJKiRq&sig=QgpRUBPGDUjxcHDIDtIWpVhLYlo&hl=en&sa=X&ei=awnPUYXcO6HVyAGotIDYCg&ved=0CC8Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=ra%20is%20old%2C%20his%20skin%20is%20of%20lapis%20lazuli&f=false

            • And I don’t rent cars!

              Could Hathor, Ra’s Third Eye, be Diana Hubbard Horwich who remains on Int Base, I believe, and first person accounts elsewhere have stated how she and DM dispise each other? Just wondering…

            • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

              Thanks. There is no mistaking the parallels. We seem to be in the “anarchy” days. Headed in the right direction, I say.

            • Poison Ivy

              Fascinating! I know a little about ancient Egyptian spirituality but little about the politics. Funny the eclectic things you learn about here in the Bunker!

            • PreferToBeAnon2

              True dat! Capn’ had me looking up a crazy Roman and his use of lampreys in the middle of the night!

            • Poison Ivy

              Yes, the Cap’n is a fountain of arcane knowledge as well! This is like a graduate program in Cultic and Otherwise Fascinating Studies.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              I come here as much for the broader education as I do for the Sciloon one.

          • FistOfXenu

            Like Stalin

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            If July 6 Release Date from prison is still on…. here’s my candidate …. watch out Davey!

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reed_Slatkin

            [IMG]http://i44.tinypic.com/1szin5.png[/IMG]

            • And I don’t rent cars!

              I didn’t think that date would come so soon.
              I am not familiar with the American justice system so that seems like an very early release date to me considering it was a 14 year sentence imposed in 2003, bringing parole in 2017. Hmmm…. model prisoner, overcrowding, …? ;- )
              In light of all the other cases on the go, this will be a Julicious month for sure!!

            • BuryTheNuts2

              I am actually surprised he has done this long.

            • monkeyknickers

              Where you at? πŸ™‚

              Some landmass hosting skunks obviously . . .:)

            • And I don’t rent cars!

              I am your Northern neighbor, love. You know… land of the maple leaf, maple syrup, igloos, dog sleds, … skunks… and some of the finest comedians, musicians, film directors, game show hosts *snort*, etc., … more skunks… working in YOUR country ;- )…. and I suppose…even more skunks… I should really brag … but I’m told part of our national stereotype is being modest, courteous, and polite so I guess I shouldn’t!!! Let me know if you need more clues :- )
              P.S. I’ve got your skunk recipe printed up and right by the door. Thanks again.

            • FistOfXenu

              You really gonna leave out moose?

            • And I don’t rent cars!

              Oh, you must think I live in Canada! Ha. That’s too funny.

            • FistOfXenu

              “I am your Northern neighbor, love. You know… land of the maple leaf, maple syrup, igloos, dog sleds, … skunks… and some of the finest comedians, musicians, film directors, game show hosts *snort*, etc., … more skunks… working in YOUR country ;- )”

              You didn’t mean Canada? You serious?

            • monkeyknickers

              Everyone knows that Canada is the awesomest place ever.

              So awesome, you guys don’t even have to brag. πŸ™‚

              Plus you gave the world Kids in the Hall . . . . . . but actually ALSO Justin Bieber. Hmm.

              Still, in the aggregate, Canada wins! πŸ™‚

            • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

              Looks much better without the wig. He’s thinking, “Goddamn Bernie Madoff! I was the the king of fraud before he came around”.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              You know, I’ve wondered myself if he had such thoughts. Reed Slatkin Did hold the trophy for most massive ponzi scheme. Why I think he could just step in and hold court in scientology’s kingdom: Just look at the list of who he scammed and note that many of the same whales are now dropping buckets o’ cash at the alter of IAS. Reed Slatkin is an Ideal Scientologist.

            • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

              At least, Slatkin had been best at being the worst. Now he will be forgotten, not even a footnote in the annals of crime history. I bet his mother is happy.

        • Bella Legosi

          Amen!

      • Poison Ivy

        I hope it ends LONG before that, Korgo. I hope to see DM in an orange jumpsuit and the cult’s ill-gotten finances put to use reimbursing those who’ve lost their livelihoods, homes and souls…the rest can go to the US gov’t for back taxes.

    • MissCandle

      OMX

    • And I don’t rent cars!

      Thank you for this historical synopsis which you just provided and bringing it to the present. It helps me connect the dots on the timeline I am trying to create in my head.

      I am also so sorry you personally were part of these events as they unfolded. Dismayed and profoundly sorry.

    • FistOfXenu

      I know I keep saying this. It’s my little contribution, like the guy that plays the triangle in the orchestra. When people finally figure out they’ve been drinking clam aid they go through stages to get from totally devoted to the cult to being totally out. The stages are here:
      http://www.lermanet.com/cos/8steps.html
      Indies are people that get stuck before they go all the way through the stages so they still think LRH was the great man and they blame all the mess on DM. Once they get the whole way out they realize that when you call Ron “Source” you mean he’s where all the crazy and all the nasty and all the evil came from. Looks to me like Atack went through this too and I watched it with people close to me. It can take forever some times.

      EDIT: Triangle finished now. “ting”

      • stateofcircle

        I will never, ever understand how some/most of the indies will call out every single iota of DM’s lies, fraud and crimes, but willfully ignore Lroon’s. It’s like saying you’ll never do heroin because it’s really bad for you, but you pop oxy’s like candy because they’re actual medicine.

        I can understand – even if I don’t agree – acknowledging a certain amount of workability and personal success with some of his compiled philosophies, which is fine, but having that absolutist attitude when it comes to Lroon erases any and all credibility and intelligence of an indie. In my opinion, of course.

        • Poison Ivy

          “It’s like saying you’ll never do heroin because it’s really bad for you, but you pop oxy’s like candy because they’re actual medicine.”
          Well said.
          From the first things I learned about Scientology back in the ’80’s, I couldn’t believe that given LRon’s documented and factually incontestable history as a pathological liar, con man, and fraud, that ANY “religion” (or “tech”) that sprung from his addled mind would be taken even with a grain of salt. I wouldn’t believe this guy as a car salesman, an insurance agent, ANYTHING. Why on earth would ANYONE buy him as the Oracle of All Things Past Present and Future?
          “Source” indeed. And as they say, “Consider the Source.”

          • richelieu jr

            Of course Oxys are actually good for something, taken as prescribed and with medical supervision. Independent Scientology isn’t worth the paper Marty’s site is printed on.

        • Lady Squash

          I get it, but I could never explain it. Maybe it’s the beaten wife syndrome. He says he loves me, he brought me candy, he didn’t mean it and so on. I don’t know. I went through it briefly. Just didn’t want to think “my hero” was well, I can hardly think of any polite words. Maybe just plain old denial.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        All true! Of course, for me, I’ve been waiting for about 30 years now, so yeah, I’m getting a tad impatient. At least they made it out alive. I’m way over the 100 count of those I found who didn’t, so yeah, I’m a little cranky too. πŸ™‚

        http://youtu.be/reUIyPhAdMg

    • Still_On_Your_Side

      “Then the next Purge came, and suddenly I woke up in a dark, dank hallway where 95% of all the execs of PAC were sitting on the cracked linoleum floors, sobbing or staring blankly on the wing of the new RPF gulag. If you looked out the window, you would be looking out at that creepy view of the Blue Building with the outstretched arms. I believe this was the final red flag, both for staff and public.

      This is how the mass exodus began. When I look around at All the reports coming in, this is happening again but on steroids, both the environment and the conditions 10x more horrific, and not just happening in the sea org orgs, but all the orgs. What missions are left today are a hole in the wall behind some shopping center, manned by one staff, open on Tues and Thurs evenings. . .
      ****
      And Jon, many of us still wonder what those who stayed were thinking. It is amusing in a nails on chalkboard kind of way to hear these same people emerging into the light, all these decades later, critisizing and lecturing US on how it was all Miscavige’s fault, and Hubbard was the Dupe.”

      Your imagery is in fine form today, and it convinces me your book, if you wrote one, would be well worth reading.

  • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

    John, that is a fascinating document. I am sure it is true on all points.

    Why is it that an organization that purports to restore individuals to super-sanity creates so many people that are declared out of their minds and viciously so? It would be like going to the shoe maker to have your shoes destroyed or taking singing lessons until you can no longer carry a tune. Hey Dad, can I take swimming lessons until I drown?

    Locally, Bryan Levman, the founder of the branch and head of the intelligence operation for all of Canada was found suppressive. He built the cult to about five times the size it is now. Boy, he sure had everyone fooled didn’t he? He was so cleverly suppressive that he even made it look like he was building Scientology.

    His successor, Emile Gilbert, was found to be suppressive, too. He was called, “The Golden Boy” and big things were expected from him. He had everyone fooled, too. It was a dark day when he became president.

    The registrar in Toronto, Michael Silverman went down to Los Angeles and became the public speaker for Scientology who was the second most in demand, second only to L.Ron Hubbard (who didn’t speak publicly)! But what do you know? He was suppressive all along, probably stuck in some electronic incident a thousand lifetimes ago.

    Larry Evoy, big international musician with a #3 hit in the United States, driving force behind Edward Bear, eventually sued Scientology. Michael Argue, OT 5, platinum record musician in Canada as Chester, with the song, “You Make My Life a Little Bit Brighter”, declared suppressive.

    I left too early to track more of them. But I am betting that if you took one hundred of the people who were involved when I was, 60 would have quietly with no declare. Forty would have left in a huff or been formally declared. THERE IS NO ONE HERE, IN THE FOURTH LARGEST CITY IN NORTH AMERICA, WHO PREDATES ME. One hundred percent of my coreligionists have left.

    The end product of Scientology is not OT8. It seems to be finding out that you are one of the most evil people in all creation, worst 2.5 percent.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Me and Mikey….were on the RPF/running program together. I witnessed his mind explode and an entirely different personality emerged. It was a much more socially pleasant one. We had several conversations during our breaks. I was so screwed up myself at that moment I didn’t realize what was actually happening….to him or myself. Silverman was indeed Golden. Yes, technically he was a “speaker” when he was sent out on tours events, but he was a Big League salesman 24/7 for scientology. His crime was to get caught in fraud and there were the innuendo’s of sexual stuff. He also used to promote Hubbard’s smoking tech and claim that his doctor was amazed at his still pink lungs. Last time I saw him was him running around the pole in the dirt. Never head anything more about him….I wonder if his pink lungs turned black when he got his declare. His magic card tricks were missed.

      • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

        Thanks for the info. I am surprised that he got in trouble for fraud. I thought that was what all Scientologists did for a living. Chris Rock talks about how he wants strippers to get, “off the pole” and make something of their lives. I feel the same way about Scientologists. I hope Silverman got off the pole.

        One day I will look up Bryan Levman and his wife Rosey. I have their phone number but I haven’t had the gall to use it. I would love to hear his perspective on what was going on. His concerns were small enough, I think about a thousand people, that they could be encapsulated and discussed. The whole of the mess that is Scientology will take a thousand Ph.D. thesis to comment on, once this nightmare is over. Hubbard’s Gordian knot was a huge one and it will take a big sword to cut it. Every time he told a one sentence lie it took a person a week to research, distill and relay the contradictory data. The big lies, far longer. Locally, I think the truth can come out in afternoon, over coffee.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          “133. In 1990 Jan/Feb, I became aware of the fact that some friends
          of mine came subject to severe ethics handlings. The first was Mike
          Silverman, he was assigned to the RPF’s RPF for credit card scams and a
          lot of other financial scams he was involved in. It is my opinion that
          Mike was the scapegoat and everyone concerned with the credit card scam
          was not sent to the RPF’S RPF. Also it is my experience that the Church
          kept all the monies gotten from the scam and made the public persons
          involved through coercive ethics application such as lower conditions,
          pay the credit card depts and the church kept the money. The second
          friend who was subjected to severe ethics action was Joe Bueno. Joe and
          I spent months together in the RPF (Scientology’s thought reform prison
          camp). I saw an ethics order on Joe Bueno which stated he was the
          originator of the credit card abuse system and he arranged special
          credit card loans. Jonno Epstein, Marc Yeager claim no knowledge of
          this credit card cycle. Their’ claim is just not true, as the Watch Dog
          chairman Marc Yeager is briefed on the “income sources that are in
          operation in Scientology. Just as Jonno Epstein is briefed of all the
          “income sources” in operation so for them to claim no knowledge is like
          saying there is no sky, or there are no fish in the ocean, complete
          nonsense.” from Andre Tabayon’s Affidavit
          http://www.xenu.net/archive/ronthenut/tabayoyo.htm

          Silverman’s Declare: https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/michael-silverman-suppressive-person-declare.109273/

          • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

            Thanks for the knowledge report, Nonexistent Hole (if I can be so familiar).

            I felt just a small wave of nausea while reading your note. No one can keep up with all the rot and perversion. Just as I was being disgusted by the reasons for the various lawsuits, and there are so many that I can’t even remember what states they are in, I hear about the sadness of an old associate. The nausea is now being joined by near-tears. My eyes are probably red.

            You know, I hardly got hurt by Scientology at all. I came, I saw, I ran away and watched the battle from the forest in the hills. But watching that much slaughter can make a fellow weak. Sometimes I don’t even know who the good guys and the bad guys are anymore.

            Global warming is more important than Scientology. I can go and work against that. But I have some special knowledge concerning Scientology. Nobody much cared about what I know until the advent of the internet. Now it turns out that there are tens of thousands of us with similar stories. Soon the governments and the people who enforce our laws will pay more attention because good people have been unwilling to sit back and just let it all happen.

            I hope that now, almost a quarter of a century later, things have sorted out for Joe Bueno and Mike Silverman, to the point where they have what they deserve, which is probably a life of peace and prosperity. I also hope that one day they will get to do what was done to them– but in a real court of law, not in some pretend military tribunal.

            I am feeling better now and there is work to be done. Over and out.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              hugs and cookies. I hope so too.

            • And I don’t rent cars!

              Chokingly beautifully stated.
              P.S. Happy Canada Day!

    • FistOfXenu

      and it’s the last step in totally giving up the clam aid.

    • richelieu jr

      It certainly answers my question as to why there wasn’t more of an outcry over little Davey’s powergrab…

    • Lady Squash

      So sad and twisted…

  • FistOfXenu

    Mr Atack does it again! Thanks fella. I like how he did the whole thing according to standard form complete with the policies DM violated. And the Declare is truer today than ever.

    I was reading this Declare and all of a sudden I thought of an old fashioned Wanted poster with DM’s face on it and the list of crimes underneath:
    “WANTED: Alive So He Can Have Quality Time With Bubba”.

    And “Midshipman Miscavige” – brilliant. Forget all the fake titles and get back to reality.

    • Bella Legosi

      I misread “Midshipman” earlier………I thought it read, “Mishapen Miscavige”.

      I guess both are true! I shouldn’t make fun of a fellow midget, but damn it he really does put a bad name on all of us Tiny But Crazy tribesman/women!

      I still vote for a nice prison in Russia. They don’t fuck around. That is exactly what this man deserves.

      • FistOfXenu

        Russia? Or Turkey?

        • Bella Legosi

          Good point!

          I believe the Russian prison Black Dolphin is the facility that makes the real dangerous prisoners:

          *Stay in there cell, with only one cell mate, 23 hours a day.
          *They are not allowed to stand straight, they must approach and walk half bent over, with a black bag over the head

          *They do not get any interaction with any other prisoners (other then a cell mate)

          *They eat in their cells
          *Because of the location of this prison, many of the prisoners do not get visitations. And I believe they are only allowed once per month, but don’t quote me on that, I am operating on pure memory with that one!

          There is prolly a lot more! I watched the prison doc about this on Netflix. I tried to find a short vid of what I just described, but only found 44min vids!

          So yeah, I vote Black Dolphin. Torture in a Turkish prison is really too good for Little Boots. Let him waste away in prison and become depressed and sullen just like the ones in the documentary. Cuz, for hardcore murderers from Russia, they look very very defeated. That is the look Little Boots needs to become accustomed to IMHO!

          • FLUNK_101

            “They are not allowed to stand straight”
            I heard this about Turkish prisons, going back to the 1920’s and 30’s. Lot’s of Greeks were in those prisons. There’s a style of Greek music called “rembetika.” It’s the Greek blues. Also called “hashiclithica,” or “hash songs.” This music originated in the Turkish prisons, which had low ceilings. That’s why Greek hunch down when they dance to this music.

            • Bella Legosi

              It is technically called a “stress position” and it is very ingenius. It allows full control over a person while you move and keeps them ignorant of the layout or guard positions. Watching prisoners in Black Dolphin, I am struck by the absence of a prison cculture. The inmates there really are broken and every aspect of your daily life is tightly cntrolled.

              That is interesting about the Greeks. It doesnt surprise me that Turks use the stress position. It really is effective and very demoralizeing. Turkey was pretty damn cushy with Russia back in the day. I am sure bothhave exchanged and refined their “enhanced interrogation, rendition, and imprisonment” techniques with each other.

            • stateofcircle

              The act of (literally) looking down on another person or animal establishes dominance. When you learn about training your dog, they always tell you make sure you are above the dog looking down at him/her when giving commands.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              So true, I use this in negotiation tactics (with humans and my husband) all the time.
              I wear black or red (depending on what I am after) and I will sit on the edge of a table to position myself above the person or persons I am negotiating with.
              Standard Operating Procedure in private contracting.

            • Captain Howdy

              I’m sure the glowing eyes helps also.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              I only use the glowing eyes for the “dealbreaker” threat towards the end!

            • ze moo

              Politically Russia and Turkey are light years apart. The Soviet Union protected Armenia and other formerly ‘Turkic’ groups. The Turkish government never forgave that. Turkey joined NATO early in its formation and even let the US place IRBMs (a-bombs) on Turkish soil, eventually spawning the Cuban Missile Crises. Turkey under Ataturk was very anti-communist and the spill over from independence of Georgia and Azerbaijan have inconvenienced the Turkish government to no end.

              Similarities between prison systems are the result of nasty prison systems, not collusion between Turkey and Russia.

              I don’t care what anyone says, “midnight express” was a great movie.

            • Bella Legosi

              Aye Turkey IMO was really just a proxy nation for US and Russia to fuck around with during those years.

              There had to be some collusion with not only the USSR but with the US agencies as well. That is what happens when a country becomes the “buffer” to two world powers. And because they were a proxy or buffer nation it would make perfect sense that at some point or another they would work in collusion with one another; whether that be for intelligence or profit.

              But thank you about correcting me on the wording of “cushy” You are very right that Turks were not all that happy with Russia.

              And yes, Midnight Express was a great movie!

          • Captain Howdy

            I just watched the whole NatGeo “Russia’s Toughest Prisons” vid. Thanks, that was interesting.

            “I told them it was kangaroo.” HaHaHa!

            • Bella Legosi

              You are very welcome!

              The stuff I find to watch at 3am!

      • MissCandle

        They don’t have heaters in Russia’s prisons in Russia’s cold cold cold winters.

        • Bella Legosi

          See! Another great reason why I think a good Russian prison is a perfect fit for this raging psychopath!

          That is as close to manufactured karma one can get!

          If only, if only!

      • Captain Howdy

        Get this book from the library if you can. It’s first hand accounts of those who spent time in the various communist prison systems. It will give you nightmares.

        http://www.amazon.com/From-Gulag-Killing-Fields-Repression/dp/1933859490

        • BuryTheNuts2

          Thanks for this link Capt.

        • Robert Eckert

          Here’s another little tidbit: somewhere on this thread somebody mentioned Germans thrown into the camps who would say “If only the Fuehrer knew what they are doing, he would stop this!” and I wondered if there was anything analogous in the Gulags. Here is somebody who did not directly to Stalin, but to Lavrenti Beria (the secret-police chief, a real piece of work) and actually got some action:

          http://www.hoover.org/publications/hoover-digest/article/5687

          • Captain Howdy

            Fascinating, especially considering from what I read in “The Court of the Red Czar”, Beria was a hands on, murdering, raping psychopath.

            • Robert Eckert

              Yeah, I thought this seemed very out-of-character, but maybe Beria realized Stalin’s days were numbered and thought it was time he started portraying himself as a “reformer”.

          • Bella Legosi

            I have never bought the “only if Hitler knew” line or the line that “nobody knew he was going to kill all the ‘undesirables'”. I know when I hear that that whomever is speaking had NEVER read Mein Kumph. Genocide, not said, was clearly implied and drawn out WITH Hitler’s own indictment and defense of it. Truly sad. I read that book in high school and was really thoroughly disgusted (generally) with people for a little bit.

            • PreferToBeAnon2

              {I never read Mein Kampf, but I assume the psychs played a major role.}

            • Bella Legosi

              oh good god!!!!

              lol thanks for the sarcasm font! Hearing shit like that REALLY angers me!

      • Observer

        He is misshapen. Have you seen the size of his noggin?

  • Xique

    Jon Atack you make me laugh when you say, “Sadly, I kept no minutes of official meetings where I discussed profound matters with myself.”
    And ” I immediately had an image of him with his blue mountain coffee and a Camel in one hand and an inhaler, in the other.” And much more. PS I would love a copy of the SP Declare on goldenrod. Can you do that for me? Please? It’s fabulous!

    • BuryTheNuts2

      I love Atack’s sense of humor. I love lines like that!
      There is nothing hotter than an extremely smart and funny man!
      Atack for the WIN!!!

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        My hubby finished his book last week. Only one comment:

        “I wish the F*ck someone had told me this F*ck’n shit F*ck’n years ago.”

        me: “Welcome to the club, honey. Here, have some popcorn cake.”

        • BuryTheNuts2

          That is awesome. So glad he read it. Hope it helps.

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            He’s read some, listened to me a lot, but the early Hubbard stuff he needed to read details and absorb.

    • And I don’t rent cars!

      I know, I know. I also keep reading and reading what came just before and right after your quoted sentence – just for the pure pleasure of it!
      “…I enjoyed my rank and status, if somewhat privately… I was not only the Chairman of the OT Committee UK, I was also its only member… There were no other functions ever associated with my exalted status, beyond summoning the Committee of Evidence on Midshipman Miscavige and issuing the SP declare in light of that committee’s findings. It was, sadly, my only published issue as Chairman of the OT Committee..”
      It is like licking the best damn ice cream cone one has ever had. He is pure genius – on so many levels. British humor at it’s finest!

      • Xique

        I agree with you, he is a riot!

  • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

    Great SP declare by Jon on Miscavige.

    Lots of good details, like the fact that Jay Hurwitz witnessed the Miscavige assault and battery on John Aczel and Roger Barnes. I emailed Roger about the incident, and Roger confirmed Miscavige’s spitting and punching of them both. For history, that spitting and punching did have Hubbard comments that could have been taken as justification. Hubbard prior to the spitting and punchings, commented “…..and if you see WDC SMI [John Aczel] spit on him for me…….” and Hubbard wrote in the Knowledge Reports policy, page 267 and 268 of the 2007 edition of Introduction to Scientology Ethics, Hubbard says:

    “Standing with a bland look while Joe [hypothetical evil staff member] sticks pins in someone or something is not good manners….” p 267

    “To live at all, one has to exert some control over his equals as well as his juniors and (believe it or not) his superiors…” p 267

    “…In an upstat [ethical and productive] group, at the first pinprick, Joe [the evil conniving bad staff member] would probably have a black eye!” p. 268

    Hubbard’s policy could be fanatically interpreted by staff, as it was, under Miscavige, to justify both spitting and punching (black eye making).

    This mention of Jay Hurwitz witnessing the Aczel and Barnes spitting and punching assault, is one of those leads that this blog, and your articles over the past year or so, Tony, have within them for experts looking for leads to other people in Scientology history who could be interviewed.

    Bill Franks definitely ought to be more thoroughly interviewed, for one!

    And the Reisdorf sisters, ought be interviewed more!

    Marty’s 3rd book, gives a few more details of Miscavige’s rise, and hopefully the Reisdorf sisters and Bill Franks will read Marty’s chapters discussing them, and comment and add to that time period, all together with the great amount of details that Jon Atack wrote about in “A Piece of Blue Sky.”

  • stateofcircle

    Ugggghhhh….. I wish I was a billionaire cult leader so I could have some devoted followers bring me bagel tech and tea tech the second I wake up and with no lip.

  • Sherbet

    I’ll weigh in with the same thing everyone else is saying: This declare is delicious, and Jon is brilliant.

  • Watergate

    Judge Whittemore has drug out his rulings in this matter much longer than I’d thought he would. Could be he’s not sympathetic to either side and wants everyone to exhaust themselves trying to lay siege to each other.

    • BuryTheNuts2

      One must find ways to entertain themselves. You might have a point!

  • sugarplumfairy

    Now THAT was a good read.. Miscabbage is probably sputtering his oatmeal right about now..

    • Robert Eckert

      Imagine how he blew up when it came out.

  • 0tessa

    When the going got tough those days, the OT’s in the Sea Org weren’t worth very much. Afraid of Miscavige, this evil monkey? To me it proves that the ‘tech’ does not work in real life.

  • ze moo

    After Lrooon, Captain Bill Robertson is one of the wackiest characters to come out of CO$. I love ‘Galactic Patrol’.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5qOxlC61Xo

    There are other wackjobs. Check out OT power ambassador Mary Freeman. OT abilities are described.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBtfNQb-dK8

    • Captain Howdy

      I”m only 2 + minutes in on the “Mary” vid and Miss OT8 can’t remember the name of the hotel she first met LRH at…FLUNK!

      • ze moo

        {Well in her defense}, memory is not like commanding good parking spaces or talking to dead ‘thetans’. “Show me a mo-fo clear!”

    • Bob

      Mary Maren(Freeman) is and was one of the most despicable and dangerous wack jobs in the church. I can only imagine the “good” she is doing now. Unfortunately these types rose in stature in the church and created the two poles: Mousecaviage and friends on one hand and the mentally challenged independents on the other side. I am not saying that all indies are that way. Just a segment of them. And not a huge segment at that but this small group manage to create a lot of problems for others.

  • Mary_McConnell

    Glad I just saw an ESMB post about this article because I never got an email announcing it.

    This ‘declare’ is a classic I saw quite a few years ago..It’s good that you are sharing it and the background on it πŸ™‚ Kudos to Jon Atack! . I remember when all the craziness was going on in Scientology, and the most active members of “the field” destroyed. Wish I’d seen that declare at th time. I might have gotten out much earlier.

    Hope all goes well on the evidentary hearing on the Garcia case. Thanks for the update.

  • OttoZ

    In the years since 1984, much additional information has become available. The idea that Miscavige was acting in defiance of Hubbard was naive. Indeed, the naivete of that time is somewhat embarrassing to reflect upon.

    • ze moo

      When bad things happened to ‘good germans’ in nazi germany, the victim often said, ‘if only the fΓΌrher knew’. Hero worship carried to an extreme is very blinding. Letting go of the Lroon deity is the last step to reclaiming your freedom.

      • OttoZ

        I’m glad someone realizes that. For a moment I thought I was witnessing a mass senility outbreak.

        • BuryTheNuts2

          Oh Please….do we look like a bunch of Brian Culkin’s or what?

          • Observer

            I’m not nearly limber enough. Or shifty enough.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              And you have an IQ over 14.

        • Captain Howdy

          See anybody named Marty or Mike or Steve around here?

          • OttoZ

            Hey! Go easy! It was just for a moment!

            I haven’t visited here for a while.

            The last place I checked out was an Independent Scientology/Freezone site, and there were plenty of people there who still think Hubbard was the good guy and Miscavige was/is the anti-Hubbard.

            I must have been having a flashback.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Yeah, Captain pushed the envelope with Steve……….hehehehe

      • FistOfXenu

        Yeah, step 6-10
        6) Hubbard was mad from the start.
        7) This whole thing is a complete fraud
        8) my god, its a criminal organization… with criminal convictions all over the world… and it was only about money
        9) realization that THERE ARE NO OT’s THERE!
        10) realizing, after leaving Scientology, this makes one an ex-nazi and wanting to do something about it

      • 0tessa

        … and your sanity.

  • Kim O’Brien

    That SP declare would be even more awesome if the rest of the world could understand what the hell they were talking about .

    • Captain Howdy

      What part didn’t you understand?

      • Kim O’Brien

        I got it ..but i have been following this stuff for a while . Anyone else would just think …WTF ? Treason ? OT? All Clear Unit ? ….just sounds a tad whacky

        • Espiando

          Well, this was written by Jon for the benefit of other Scis. Unfortunately, it didn’t start the rebellion against The Dark Lord Chuckles The Silly Piggy that Jon and Cap’n Bill hoped it would, but it had the best chance to do so out of any effort made. DM hadn’t consolidated his power at that point, and if there had been a grass-roots effort to oust him, it might have succeeded. We can only wonder what the last thirty years might have been like with the Broekers in general command, Mayo in charge of the Tech, and Guillaume in charge of the apparatus as ED Int For Life.

          • Bella Legosi

            The Dark Lord Chuckles The Silly Piggy……….lol thats great

        • Still_On_Your_Side

          I agree, but it is was written to try to save those in the cult. The rest of the world understands criminal indictments, which I hope will happen soon.

    • You know even when I was still in it really bugged me that they had their own weird language when it wasn’t necessary. All part of the conditioning and separating from the real world I suppose. 2D always made me cringe as in “I’m outflowing for a 2D”. I was always thinking “Why can’t you just say you’re looking for a girlfriend/boyfriend you fucking dork?”

      • Kim O’Brien

        That is what i find so strange about it. The civil rights movement did not become a big deal until white people stating caring about it …the gay rights movement did not take off until straight people started getting involved …sad but true. If scientologists want people to give a shit and sign petitions and go to a protest ..and ‘ DO” something …then they better start learning how to speak english. I am not talking about John’s SP declare so much as I am the pleas for help . I understand that John is speaking to other scio’s …but i crack up when say Marty goes on CNN or the Today show to talk about abuses ..mentions his blog …and BAM ..the “degraded wog” is introduced to a whole other level of WTF. No normal person who realizes that the shortest distance between two points is a straight line …is going to learn a Kilingon slang language just to figure out what “knowing how to know ” means . We really have better things to do quite frankly …and they better wake up about it cause this ” help us you lowly degraded beings” shit just gets boring after a while . ( except for the kids and the sea org peeps …that shit really gets under my skin but scientologists don’t give a shit about them ..that is why the “wogs” have to )

  • Roger Larsson

    To listen to Jon atack, Gerry Armstrong and to Arnie Lerma saves money. If I only had an
    opportunity to listen on them before it was too late.

    • sugarplumfairy

      Better late than never, Roger..

    • aquaclara

      Wise comment, Roger. Glad you’re out, and very much hope you are doing well now.

  • Michael Leonard Tilse

    Jon,
    Your brilliant declare of Miscavige was one of the first things that I found when I started internet research on scientology in 2003.

    Up until then I had only my self-formulated questions as to what happened to me and what happened with LRH’s death. I couldn’t sort out the inconsistencies of the {church’s} public story of that event.

    When I saw your SP declare of Miscavige, it opened avenues of search that lead me to explore more information about the Mission Holders conference and other curious events I had heard about years before but never had the details of.

    It really was an important piece of the puzzle. Thank you!

  • Phil McKraken

    That SP Declare is a mess. There are 4 different lists of crimes: 11 “High Crimes;” 2 other charges, presumably High Crimes, for which there was insufficient evidence to convict; 15 “crimes;” and 3 “additional charges” for which he was found guilty. That’s a total of 31, or 29 if you want to throw out the 2 with insufficient evidence.

    Of those, there some serious repetition. 8 of them involve defaming or bringing into disrepute Scientolgy, Scientologists or Sci materials. 11 have something to do with mutiny, insubordination or organizational rule-breaking. 3 in a row are different ways of phrasing the crime of harming the organization through incompetence. There are numerous misapplications of tech (usually overlaid with the other crimes, natch). I can’t make heads nor tails of it.

    Word of the day: Enturbulative

    • OttoZ

      It’s an historic relic, which is of interest.

      I doubt if most people here still think in terms of “SPs,” or “SP Declares,” and I assume that there’s an awareness of the insights and information that have become available since 1984.

      That additional information puts Hubbard in a far worse light, and reveals that Miscavige, rather than a betrayer of Hubbard, was doing what Hubbard wanted done.

      Hubbard was a big sociopath, with an over active imagination.

      Miscavige is a little sociopath, with meager imagination.

    • Bella Legosi

      Judging from the joy it brought many people here and to those who found it (and that helped them BLOW), I would argue that it was actually theatic……oh sorry theata

      πŸ˜‰

    • PreferToBeAnon2

      Seriously, that is your ‘take away’ from the posting today–that there are misapplications of the tech?

      • Bella Legosi

        Amazing isn’t it?

        • BuryTheNuts2

          BTW, I love this AV and I actually think this was Brad Pitts best performance ever…well, that and “Snatch”.

          • Bella Legosi

            Thank you for noticing! I thought it was a tad small, but I must express my many crazy fictional character personality’s! They tend to change, but I am sure you understand that you sexy minx you!

            12 Monkeys is a classic. I believe this is the role that got him the Tyler Durden role in “Fight Club”, well combine Jeffrey Goings with the character in Snatch (add a dash of a bit of Buddhism), and BAM you have Tyler Durden!

      • Phil McKraken

        Oh, are they misapplications of the tech? I’m no expert in the tech, and like with any (quasi-) religious nonsense, I don’t bother to try to sort out which parts are legit.

        No, my observation was just on the basis of sensible writing. Now that I think of it, the “OT Committee UK” did exactly as trained by LRH — attempt to follow a web of arbitrary and mutually contradicted instructions to the letter. Garbage in garbage out.

        • PreferToBeAnon2

          ” I don’t bother to try to sort out which parts are legit.” Oddly, you just did.

          • Phil McKraken

            I’m sorry if I wasn’t clear. It is, in its entirely neither legit nor not legit, as far as I’m concerned. Hubbard’s tech is entirely fantasy novelization. That includes that SP declare document. No doubt Miscavige had by then, and has since, committed crimes as we define “crime” in the real world. But the crimes referred to in that document are Sci-crimes. In the case where there is possible overlap between real crime and Sci-crime (assault, fraud), I wonder if the police were called. It’s a pity that doesn’t happen more.

            • FistOfXenu

              For what it’s worth it looks to me like Atack wrote that so it fits with standard ethics proceedings in the cult. I’d be happy for somebody to correct me but the web includes enough SP declares from the old days to compare this to them. Looks good to me. And I notice comments from exes seem to recognize that he wrote a proper SP declare.

              I think I get what you mean, that it’s a make believe accusation of make believe crimes, right? But what better way to show what a psycho DM than to prove that he’s even a criminal by the cult’s official definition? And it’s done by the numbers. He avoids generalities and says which PLs little Davey broke, and he gives specific examples. That was the best chance of stopping the psycho from taking power.

              We can’t know what could’ve been different in the cult if DM had been kicked out of the cult. I think $cientology would’ve still been the evil bunch of criminal crazies it was when LRH really ran it. But I think without as much of the random crazy as the Demented Midget brought to it.

            • Phil McKraken

              Yes, that’s what I meant. And I completely understand what a delight the doc is as well. It reveals to me not that DM was a massive violator of policy so much as it shows that there was an epic power struggle underway, with charges and accusations flying like cat fur. And we all know which bare knuckled bruiser won that fight. (Sorry for the horribly mixed metaphor, I’ve got an evil Dan Brown streak running through me.)

              I don’t think policy violations mean much in Scientology because the originator of all that policy was mercurial, arbitrary, unstable, unpredictable and haphazard. The policies comprise an incoherent mish-mash. Furthermore, totalist systems such as Scientology depend on arbitrariness in rules enforcement in order to keep the population off-balance and uncomfortable. LRH understood this, at least on some level, and either by design or by instinct built his system to operate accordingly.

    • 0tessa

      Are you speaking on behalf of Miscavige perhaps?

      • Captain Howdy

        If you check Phil’s previous comments, he’s obviously not OSA. Let’s not start with that, please.

        • Phil McKraken

          I’m laughing though. I do wish we’d see OSA around here — they’re missing good times.

  • Observer

    COB drinks Blue Mountain Coffee? How lowbrow. I thought for sure he’d drink this:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/17/cat-poop-coffee-expensive-less-acidic-not-everyone-a-fan_n_1974851.html

    • Observer

      If at first Disqus won’t obey, try, try again

      • Sherbet

        Wait a minute! He’s reading one of Tony’s old Village Voice columns!

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          and is that Shelly’s picture in the inside fold?

          • Sherbet

            Yesss!!

          • Phil McKraken

            A suggested addition to this wonderful picture: A milk carton with Shelly’s picture on it.

      • Captain Howdy

        Oooh.. I want a toilet mug!

      • Observer

        (See the link in my post above for the cat poop reference … unless you’re familiar with civet cat coffee)

        • stateofcircle

          You’ve outdone yourself on this one, Obsie.

  • Synthia Fagen

    So Jon Atack was the only one brave enough to do the right thing at the time. If only others had heeded his warnings…

  • Michael Silverman

    Well, Hello everyone. It’s me, Michael Silverman back from the other side.Just to let you know, the attacks on me were planned, co-ordinated and tried over 6 times until the comm ev without me even being there was convened (I was there for 1 session to plead – never saw them or anything until the fatal knock on the door. LUCKY ME!!.

    I have read a few blogs over the years and am amazed at how people really believe what they read or saw in Scientology. I certainly did. But having escaped and having had a chance to collect my thoughts, I came to realize that 1 lie from Hubbard would invalidate everything and I found dozens!! as have you but now, rather than making excuses or explanations about what he “really” meant , or worse yet “go find your misunderstood”, one must face reality – we were really duped–I being one of the better dupers and ‘enlightening” many others all around the USA, Canada and Mexico. To those of you who suffered as a result of listening to me (I actually thought I was doing good- as did we all)I apologize -sincerely. It saddens me to see others suffer.

    I am retired now, living in Nova Scotia (Canada – East Coast) and loving it. I pass my time helping others with health and weight issues, reading, gaming and just enjoying life. Hope many of you are doing what makes you happy.

    We have all suffered and resent being able to do nothing much about it. Except maybe complain and regurgitate old news. It’s like having lost a family member – in this case a really nasty one. OK dead is dead and gone is gone and lost is lost. Time to get on with your life and get over the rumor mongering and juicy tidbits we all so love to share. Waste no more of your life on that past.

    By the way, I still do the most amazing card tricks !! Last week, I had a girl think (not take) of a card and I tried to tell her what she thought of. I guessed the card and she said no–and then I corrected her and told her she had the suits mixed up and she almost fell over.!! I was right TA DAH!!

    My love to you all! Take care.

    Michael

    • BuryTheNuts2

      Holy shit!

      • PreferToBeAnon2

        (I suddenly feel like I am in a Woody Allen film where the subject of an intense conversation magically appears and addresses the camera.)

        Thanks Jon and everyone else who posted today–this has been enlightening!

        • BuryTheNuts2

          Yah!
          ^^^Credit to SPF

          • Captain Howdy

            Where is SPF? I see her voting, but not commenting.

            http://youtu.be/QdoTdG_VNV4

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Probably at the bar on her phone.

            • Captain Howdy

              Hah! Trying to find a Mr. Fairy, eh?

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Poor guy, even if she does find him…she will likely smack him right off the bat!

            • sugarplumfairy

              You know me too well.. At the beach.. sunburnt and soused enough to be picking out a karaoke song .. But just checked in and saw twin sis pot article.. Singing is out of he question now.. Must read..

            • sugarplumfairy

              Thanks! That’s a keeper..

        • 1subgenius

          We are all in a Woody Allen film.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Annie Hall. Yes! it is Exactly like that. Thank you.

          http://youtu.be/9wWUc8BZgWE

        • Poison Ivy

          (Mr. PI and I just introduced GirlPI to Annie Hall last weekend – she loved that part!)

          I love this blog!

    • Michael Leonard Tilse

      Thanks Mike! I remember when I first met you, you and ‘Crayola’ were at SFO for a tour and did some tricks. You also got a person in the audience to remember a ‘past life’ as a dog/alien or something.

      It was electrifying in a way, created this aura of possibility attached to scientology.

      I know what you mean about all of us being duped and a lot of us becoming dupers in turn. It is hard to come to terms with that. I understand your point of just getting along with life.

      But I do think that where possible, we have a responsibility to tell our stories, to bear witness to our knowledge and part in the drama. it is part of healing, part of being honest, part of letting go.

      In some sense, moving on without witnessing allows the truth to remain hidden, allows the fraud and damage to continue. However much we wish it, simply moving on is not in the cards for most of us.

      Being in a natural disaster, being a civilian in a war, being a soldier in a conflict, all might have been a conspiracy of events, yet telling the stories fills in the blanks and heals just in the telling.

      We each decide individually what our role is. I forgive you your trespasses, while I still desire you to tell your story. I wish you a fulfilled and happy life and am glad you are still doing tricks.

      Michael Leonard Tilse

      • BuryTheNuts2

        Maybe the real trick is to be able to do a bit of both.
        This blog never ceases to amaze me.

        • Poison Ivy

          Ditto.

        • aquaclara

          What a day for the Bunker. I am catching up a day late, and am amazed at the conversations, too.

      • Michael Silverman

        Mike Thanks for your response. I agree with you as far as telling and healing are concerned. I have also noticed people who are forever responding , or replying endlessly to other’s comments and upsets. For me, healing is a form or therapy as a result of getting it off your chest and having someone acknowledge you for what happened. In theory, that should do the trick – however, I also ack. the possibility of so many adverse events that the victim may take some time to reveal and get ackd for all that transpired.
        Thanks again for your kind response. Michael

        • Michael Leonard Tilse

          You are very welcome.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      oh my god. You look so different, but in a Good Way! So glad to hear you are doing well. And still with the card tricks!!! So….the Running Program really did work for you too! Well, most of us had to hobble out, not run, but whatever. And helping people with their health, good karma man. My first meeting with you was actually in St Louis, going wayyyyy back. Card tricks in the reg office. (and you told me I should focus on country music, which I hated). I think Duke Snider might have stil been around then (talk about a personality change!). Tours/events were a Lot more fun back then.

      thanks so much for commenting here. You just made my day a happy one.

      • Still_On_Your_Side

        That is an incredible story, how long had you been out before the fair gaming on your husband? Would you mind telling your story? I certainly understand if you do.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          I have. We live in the same county where Flag is situated. Lots of scientologists, including ex’s, or so we thought, that work in certain key industries. We didn’t know that about 2 years ago now, Miscavige went postal on his disconnect paranoia and any member had to stop associating in any way with anyone not “with the program”. Turns out that he had some temp help that were active where he worked that were spying , but also the ex’s also had an ex spouse and or children they were supporting to pay for Delphi, and bridge stuff. So even ex sci’s who were not involved personally had to take the fanatic route. We had a few friends that we’d known for decades that still had contact, but that ended too. Out of work for a year, and he couldn’t even get unemployment checks. Had to get pro bono legal help to get that meager check, it was bizarro time. Prior to this, we had weird tactics used because we did some Very minimal helping of those who were getting out or helping those who were speaking out, like mail box tampering, people in the backyard late at night making noises, dead animals in the yard, and other stuff don’t want to say as identifying. And honestly, we were not doing much of anything. My husband spent his time learning, got a job in a completely new field, and still spends most of his free time training for it. I wanted to move but economy, jobs, and housing situations means not too many can move right now, and a lot of other reasons. The paranoia with these people is truly fanatical and scary. I do No business with anyone without checking them out thoroughly. You can imagine why I am so antsy to have this reign of crazy over soon.

          • PreferToBeAnon2

            THDNE, you went through hell! I can’t imagine what it is like living through that. So glad the ground seems more solid for you now. Yes, this reign of crazy can’t be over fast enough!

          • aquaclara

            Omg. THDNE, to you and MR THDNE, I hope hope hope things get better for you. I am up early, catching up to yesterday’s posts, but this is one more that is an example of why it all has to end.

            If Laura or the Garcias, both of whom are waiting for their day in court, see your post, along with others from today, they will see how much their cases mean for everyone else who is suffering from the hands of the cult.

            It does seem like Davey continues to be on a tear, harassing exes. It has to stop. Pinellas County has been strangled by the cult from day 1,sadly. All the best to you. Hope it gets better soon.

          • Still_On_Your_Side

            Even the mafia stopped these tactics years ago when it decided to play straight in public. In most places around the country, the police would make tracking down the culprits a high priority. Apparently not in your county, or perhaps there is too much to track down there, or perhaps they are worried about their paychecks….. At any rate, the cases and investigations against Narconon, Miscavige and the church are approaching critical mass, and at that point, I doubt that they will have any time for this kind of insanity (we can hope).

      • Michael Silverman

        Thanks for the comments. I appreciate all you have had to go through. My best, and I do remember the card tricks way back then with Barry Kline in attendance as well.
        Take care. Michael

    • danlocke

      Glad to hear from you here, Michael. And I hope many old friends find you here and get the opportunity to connect again and send their good wishes. From my point of view, I see nothing you have done that would require forgiveness. You and other good people like you were big parts of what made the subject worthwhile when it was worthwhile.

      Now if only “Captain Clear” (Bob Pinkos) would drop by to say hello!

      • Michael Silverman

        Thank you Dan. Nice of you to comment as you did.Here’s to the end of the Church that supposedly makes everyone more able but apparently it also makes them all SPs. Hence the tremendous migration to ex Scn-ists. Fascinating eh!!??
        Michael

    • Kitz

      I commend you for being able to just drop and ignore that part of your past, and hope that you really are sincere in your apology.

      I just want to toss my couple coppers in on this. As a never in, this {church} had been on my peripherals as a place where ‘somethings off’. The couch jumper moved it to ‘this just ain’t right’, and I did a very small bit of searching which confirmed that thought. As a researcher of many “alternate” religious practices for the last 20+ years,I’d seen my fair share of “HOLY SHIT!! That’s fucked up!” and this scam didn’t trigger that reaction for some reason.

      That all changed when I met Michael, and he began telling me about what happened while he was a member, then the “HOLY SHIT!!” happened. I started to do real research on the subject, and asking him questions. I did this for 2 reasons.. The first and main driving reason was to give him a person he could talk with that could understand, as much as a never-in could, to help excise those daemons that still haunt. Someone who wouldn’t judge for the past – the gods know I have no place to judge anyone – because I know how an understanding and caring ear helps with processing the past (Up to him whether I’m helpful, or just a royal pain in the ass). I also think that my background in different practices helped me to understand some things better, where other people might freak and act like the person they are talking to grew another head or something. *shrug*

      The second reason is to be proactive in protecting people from the {church} and their front groups. I’ve sent emails to various news outlets, written letters, and help one friend who was looking at drug rehabs for a relative. I gave him the full rundown on Narconon, which helped with their decision process. I do a lot of speaking about this subject with anyone that will listen, and get them to realize how dangerous this group is. Operations Snow White and Freakout, and Laura D’s case, are usually enough to them to do some research of their own, and hopefully help bring them down.

      • Michael Leonard Tilse

        Well, “I” think you are helpful. You listen good!

        BTW: I know you don’t know it, but your use of the word “commend” is probably setting off alarm bells from here to ESMB. I know you were not in, so I’ll explain: “Commend” and “commendation” are used a lot in Scientology. A “commend” (as a noun) is a note saying you did a good job. It is short for commendation, in this usage. Like, Doug, Patti and I received a written LRH commendation from Hubbard, in his handwriting on blue flimsy paper he used for dispatches.

        To you, it is a regular word, to some others it has them going full pod, pointing and whailing ‘OSA’. Just so you understand some likely reactions.

        • Kitz

          Well shit…. Just when I thought I had this figured out. *sigh* πŸ˜‰ Definitely not what I had in mind when I used it- Thanks for the explanation! I’ll have to create a ‘don’t use these words’ list for future comments then.

          I am glad that you think I am helpful, because there are many days I’m not sure, lol! Listening is about the only thing I am good at and for. πŸ™‚

          • Michael Leonard Tilse

            Nah, don’t make a list. Just explain you didn’t know when it comes up. Otherwise you’d be internalizing cultspeke rather than posting.

            • Kitz

              Will do. πŸ™‚ Not that I post, or contribute, much to the discussions. I forgot to put the { } around the first sentence as well, since it did contain snark.

              The point to my post, which I totally forgot to put at the end, is that exes NEED to tell their stories. Not only to make us ‘wogs’ aware of what is happening behind the curtains, but to be able to put their past in perspective.

              I guess to a degree, I feel that those who don’t tell what happened to them continue to perpetuate and ‘build’ (for lack of a better word right now–too hot in the house) the scam instead of keeping others from being taken advantage of.

              Another couple of coppers, lol.

            • Zana

              I respect that Mike has found a way to go on. I hope to be there in a month or so. Even so, at this time, hearing all these other stories is very powerful. Makes me understand that I’m not crazy. There WAS poop in the soup.

              It’s fabulous to be able to get all these perspectives. And I am finding happy ways to go on without even the drama. It’s dropping away like a child leaves an old toy in the corner.

              Still… I want to be around to see the ceiling crack and the walls collapse on the whole thing. As an entertainment.

            • aquaclara

              Good luck to you!!! It wasn’t you. It was supposed to be a church, which is (again, supposed to) be a helpful thing. Instead, it preys upon people, wreaking havoc and destroying lives. Oh, no, it very much was not your fault.

              Cake and hugs and smiles and cheers to you as you work things out…hopefully, you are having more good days than bad…

      • Michael Silverman

        Thanks for the comments. Interesting that we talked!? I don’t recall this. Perhaps and e-mail or something on facebook as to whom I am chatting might make that clearer. Thanks.
        Michael

        • Kitz

          Apologies for not being clearer. No we haven’t talked, I meant Michael Tilse. πŸ™‚

    • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

      I feel like Humphrey Bogart talking to Claude Rains in the last scene in Casablanca. This website is the free French garrison in Brazzaville.

    • Spackle Motion

      Your outlook and apology is a welcome sight here, as some ex-Scientologists still have agendas. I am glad that you have been able to move on, move forward and enjoy life.

      It’s great that you’ve added your voice to the mix, too. I hope you know that speaking out is the best preventive measure against future harm.

      • Michael Silverman

        Thanks, I will continue to add my thoughts periodically. One thing is for sure, – an active voice will get the job done. Pacifism and tolerance for the endless abuses will only produce more. Battle on!!

      • Michael Silverman

        Hi: Of course you are absolutely correct about soeaking out and warning others. Keep at ot.
        Love Michael

    • Mike, I spent over 30 years doing just what you recommended, to such a degree that even my current husband, whom I have known for “only” 20 years, had no idea I was ever in. THEY tracked me down in 2011. I was lucky. I only got several hundred calls over a 6 month period before I managed to finally shut them down. Before they started to call, I had not even searched the internet to find out the current conditions, my interest level was zero. I had no clue whether or not they still even existed,

      Now everyone in my town knows I was in, well, at least those who read the newspaper. I chose to make public what they were doing to me. My neighbors watch my house continually 2 years after the calls have stopped and we have many more hidden security cameras than anyone would even believe in the 10 block area surrounding my home. If someone pulls up in front of my house and just stops, they don’t have more than a minute before they are approached and asked their business unless my neighbors recognize them.

      So I ask you, how do you recommend exactly that I just get on with my life? After a group makes it their mission to stalk you for six months (and I was lucky to have it end that quickly) with very little knowledge of what I did when in and no knowledge of what I do now, it was game on for me. I have hunted down people I knew and found the ones still in to be in such horrendous shape that now that Scientology chose to open my eyes, I have no choice but to fight against them.

      I do not see Tony’s blog so much as a hashing over of old stories but an exposΓ© of human rights abuses and deaths which really must be stopped. The stories told here help the “never ins” to understand why those of us who were sucked in stayed. Many people who come here have lost family members due to Disconnection or death because of Scientology. Others have not ever been in but have heard stories.

      This is an eclectic mix here and we greatly appreciate your update. The best news I ever hear from a former Scientologist is “I’m alive and enjoying my life.” So glad you let us know that.

      • Lilaeth

        Tony’s blog is showing those of us lucky enough to never have suffered at the hands of the Co$ just how lucky we are, and, with luck, how we can help hasten their demise. That can only be a good thing!

      • aquaclara

        The abuses continue to pile up. What a nightmare. We have had a couple of people report that they have gotten phone calls after years away, but your description is exactly why the cult is crooked, destructive and illegal. You have good neighbors, though, and a town that sounds supportive. But none of this should ever happen in the first place.

        Thanks for being so open about your own story. Unbelievable. And yet, we do believe it, because the cult knows no bounds.

        It is very early in the morning here, so I am not thinking straight yet. But I hope that there are cars following Davey’s every move, and that at some point, thousands of relentlessly ringing telephones hounding him back, while he is locked up in prison for all the harm this damn cult has done.

        Stay safe. We need a few cops and Fibbies here at the Bunker to see all this.

      • Michael Silverman

        Valerie: I deeply sympathize for your terrible experiences. Mine are nothing in comparison and it took me some to time pull myself up and get on with my life. I was also a victim of disconnection-wife, kids, all my friends etc. Maybe for you a relocation would be in order. eventually, the proverbial axe will fall. Good luck to you. Love Michael

        • Mike, thanks for your concern, however, I have very strong ties to this community, this is not directed at you, but rather OSS (aka GO on steroids).

      • Michael Silverman

        Valerie: If what happened to you had happened to me, I would have reacted similarly if not even more aggressively. It’s good to have the community support that you do have. I am also a victim of disconnection. So sad. My real objection I guess is more of those who just go on and on. I understand the pain and suffering that many of us went through – including friends of mine. Wallersheim was an example. I knew him and he was a nice person. It difficult to end cycle when there are so many horrific memories and you have been made to even doubt your sanity, your ethics level and that even maybe you ARE an SP. All of the above are applicable to most who were in. Somehow, I hope they can move on and not carry that horrible burden with them.
        Thanks again for your comments.
        Love Michael

    • Zana

      So you really did get to OT! πŸ™‚

      • Michael Silverman

        Hi! According to my “fans”, I was a “natural OT”. There is much not to be said about the OT levels.
        Hope you are well and happy.
        Love Michael

    • theoracle

      Michael I am SOOOO glad to hear you are doing well and living life. I can honestly say what happened to you after all you did and contributed was blatant injustice. A.O.L.A. just wilted without your cheery presence. And many staff were so dismayed with the way you were treated. You were famous from coast to coast and people on the East Coast spoke so fondly of you before I ever joined the Sea Org!

      You were SO well loved by the public AND the staff. Your friends which you had vast amounts of them, were just sick to hear of the way you were treated. You have nothing to apologize for. You worked for decades caring only for others with the purpose to make the world a better place. It was NOT all for naught. You have good karma from all of that that no one will ever be able to take away from you. Your legendary ARC and help to others counts everywhere.

      Before there was “Flag” there was only L.A. and you were the man of the hour. Why? Because you CARED about the people in front of you.

      What do they have now? BEGGING CREWS! Calling themselves “registrars” and they do not register anyone for anything.

      You and I, and the people back then the way it was, we have the best of memories and we were good friends to others and we had good friends.

      May the red carpet always roll out for you.

      • Michael Silverman

        Thanks for your kind words. I have now taken on the task of helping others with health and weight issues at no cost. Keeps me busy. Take care.

  • Bella Legosi

    I demand a reaction from OTVIIIisgrrr8t!

    How is the COB of RTC this morning?
    πŸ˜€

  • Sidney18511

    Off topic, {but very, very important}. After reaching level 102 playing Candy Crush I have had a cognition that I must share with my bunker buds. This game is evil. Really. I’m not kidding.

    • BuryTheNuts2

      It is nice to know we have lives outside of watching Scientology gasp for air.

      • stateofcircle

        Yes, we are playing Candy Crush in one window or on our phones while waiting for the “New Comment” bar to pop up πŸ™‚

        • BuryTheNuts2

          Haha, I am working on my Etsy stores while waiting for it.
          And avoiding cleaning my bathroom and trimming the roses, etc!

          • L. Wrong Hubturd

            Well, then I assume you’re also familiar with http://www.Regretsy.com ?

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Oh but of course!
              There is some epic stuff on there.
              The smothered baby is my favorite!
              (Not a real one folks, settle down)

            • Captain Howdy

              What the hell?

            • BuryTheNuts2

              I love humanity!!!!
              Ain’t it great!

              People are just so fucking weird….

            • Captain Howdy

              I hope they didn’t kill that squirrel and rattlesnake just to make that!

              Even though it’s kinda cool.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              I have a guy who works for me who has a mounted squirrel with a little cowboy hat on it in his office.

              Another guy who used to work for me used to keep a mounted Rattlesnake skin above his desk.

              (Welcome to central flor-eh-duh)

            • Bella Legosi

              I hate to crap on ohter people’s states, but Florida is one ofthose places that…….if I died tomorrow I wouldn’t regret not having been. But then I think of people like you Bury and I find myself wishing you lived in CA πŸ˜‰

            • JonathanRoberts

              Florida isn’t that bad we just get all the other states rejects there are few who were born here.

              Pinellas county where denise gentile, david miscavaige’s sister just got busted you can go check out her mug shot at the jail.
              Just google whosinjail Pinellas then search her last name it comes right up. I posted a link to it but either I am not supposed to do that or something is wrong with discus.

              Bella, Florida really is not a bad place just some of the people.

            • Bella Legosi

              I know, and I know there has to be someone out there who feels the same about Portland. But I think of Miami, the city cocaine built, Broward county, the county destroyed by Purdue Pharma (not to mention it was the pipeline into other states, the 2000 election, and it is home to LRons freaky cult! Then there is the bugs and bath salt! Humidity and hurricanes……{jeebus crisco! Why do you all live there for!?}

              πŸ™‚

            • JonathanRoberts

              Yea I agree south Florida really sucks I haven’t been there for ages. Here I don’t get any of the bath-salts problems or hurricanes & that is for decades. It’s hot for a couple of months, we just try to stay inside in the AC. It’s funny because it is hard to imagine living someplace like Portland to cold I lived in Illinois I hated that always cold nothing to do.

              Down here there are beaches beautiful riding almost year round great fishing. Almost always something to do occasionally weather get’s in the way but not that often.

              Remember like I said most of the crazy part comes from the transplants those of us who have lived here our whole lives are different people.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Now that you put it that way…..

              So much for your possible, future invite to visit the Mouse House. You’re off the list of allowed Disney visitors in the Hubturb residence. ;-P

            • Bella Legosi

              Oh well……….what really destroys me is I am never going to get my own RTC burlwood pen! pfffft you know how much ass I had to kiss with OTVIII just to be considered? πŸ™ Then poins had to go and ruin it for everyone!

              >P

              Don’t worry! I got skiLLz. I’ll get back on the list! In the mean time everyone really is welcome in Portland, the motto of the state goes something like, “Come for a visit, please don’t stay!”

            • Bella Legosi

              And I totally sympathize with your state being home to outside rejects! They have been doing the same shit to Portland for 20 years!

            • Captain Howdy

              Sheeeeit! try growing up in CA. where 90% of the people there aren’t from there. After leaving my hood in the outer sunset, I don’t think I ever met another person who was actually born in S.F in the following 15 years.

            • Bella Legosi

              NO! California is the supplier of hipster douchebags to Portland Captain! They have realized how much they don’t like California, then move to Portland and say, “Gee you know I miss California! I’ll open a vegan cheese bar! Or a hot yoga studio!”

              But you do have a good point! I don’t know that many natives of Cali, most who move up here moved from Cali, but Cali was not their home state!

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Ditto northern Nevada….which is why I moved to Florida.
              Irony alert!

            • BuryTheNuts2

              I love California and have spent a considerable amount of time there.
              I hate LA ( mostly), but love SF and have family in Eureka and Arcata ( go Humbolt county pot growers!)

              Florida is kinda cool in its own way.
              I rather like it here, but I do miss mountains.

            • Bella Legosi

              When I moved back to Oregon from Alaska, I missed the mountains too. The horizon just didnt look right without some snowy peaked range! Everything looked so flat and everyones cars were tiny! And I noticed Portland can stink!

            • Captain Howdy

              Did you see in Polar Bears in Alaska?

            • Captain Howdy

              Hey, you got the Everglades, gators, sharks, pumas, manatees and a bunch of other cool critters that don’t really belong there. That’s more than MA. has.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              We do have some seriously great critters here.

            • Captain Howdy

              Actually we have Great Whites and you have Bull Sharks. So we rule on that issue.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Um, not really. I would rather encounter a great white than a bull shark.
              Great Whites usually attack humans by mistake.
              Bulls do it quite intentionally and aggressively.

              But you win on the GW being lots bigger!

            • Captain Howdy

              True that about the Bulls.I was hoppin I could slip one by ya. It’s strange that the two places I’ve lived in my life had thriving great white populations.

            • MissCandle

              Hey Bella, don’t crap on my state. Besides, I’m bi. Bi-coastal that is. Meaning I was born in CA but will die in FL.

            • PreferToBeAnon2

              yeah… unfortunately in south florida, the average age is death

            • MissCandle

              FL’s biggest export: filled coffins.

            • Bella Legosi

              That looks like something my dad would buy at a garage sale! I love it!

            • Kitz

              LOL!! Reminds me of the “party squirrels” that reside in the geo lab. All of them are decked out in jewelry of some kind-mostly Mardi Gras beads, and are used in demonstrations at times. πŸ™‚

            • Spackle Motion

              Egads. I’ve never seen that site before and now I’m stuck in that rabbit hole.

              Just when I think I’ve seen it all on the Internet.

            • Sherbet

              Me, too. Thanks, L. Wrong.

            • And I don’t rent cars!

              But you mustn’t have minded being down a different rabbit warren for a change, heh? With
              you being a “rabbit” and all. They say, “A change is as good as a rest” and some days, this rabbit’s warren that is the Co$ can become dark, damp, and suffocating – be it from outrage, fear, regret, hopelessness, or a myriad of other emotions.
              I, too, hopped over to http://www.Regretsy.com, disappeared for a while in it’s maze, and had plenty of chuckles while my emotional overload slowly dissipated as I remembered Xmas and Bday gifts given to me by well intentioned friends as they got swept away into another cult of sorts – the DIY movement. Sometimes I wish a new incarnation of Cult Awareness Network (Version 1.0!) was re-established so I could submit my dear friends’ names for deprogramming.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              You’re just lucky I could not find the 6ft tall vagina Halloween costume on the archive anymore to post here.

            • Robert Eckert

              There is actually a mascot (self-appointed) named Scrotie:

              http://www.oddee.com/_media/imgs/articles2/a96800_a499_scrotie.jpg

        • Sidney18511

          SOC….there is a candy crush cheat that you might be interested in if you don’t already know. When you use up your 5 lives and you want to keep the insanity going without waiting the 30 minutes for it to refill…..go to settings and change the date to tommorrow, close and open up the crush. You will see that it is full. Close the crush and go back to setting and fix the date then close, now you can go back and play those 5 lives.
          Rinse and repeat over and over again until you are ready to throw you iPhone against a wall.

    • Bella Legosi

      I have been able to completely abstain from that video crack! Good luck with that! I myself am starting to experience “Halo:Reach” withdrawals. Prolly why I am listening to a lot of Rammstein and Combichrist!

      Damn you refurbished XBOX360! *shakes her fists in the air”

  • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

    Another memory comes back to me.

    After Jon issued his SP Declare on Miscavige, and sent it around the UK, it had lingering impact in many people’s minds, I recall.

    At the complex, in 1985, the Flag Bu (today it’s the upper middle managment body and today it’s in the 12 story HGB building), but in 1985 the Flag Bureaux (FB for short) moved to the complex.

    The staff of the FB, I was in the sub unit called “Senior HCO Int”, we all had a double duty which we were supposed to do daily, called our :”Org Flag Officer” duty. OFO for short, most FB and middle management staff then and supposedly now, were supposed to have assigned to each of them, a single Class 5 org, or for the bigger Sea Org orgs, we took a portion of the org, and we answered the staff mail that came to management from our OFO orgs. My OFO org was AOSH EU for about 5 years or so. I answered their staff mail to management and pushed the staff to answer and fill out questions and their weekly reports, which provided the middle management managers with on the ground info of the actual on the ground scene.

    Anyways, finally to the point, my memory, I recall now the impact of Jon Atack’s SP Declared on Miscavige, was that it caused quite a number of UK staff to report it, and the news trickled even up to the OFO room in the complex, about this declare.

    It was sort of a mixed reaction I recall, at the complex, at the FB, whereas it provided some insider info, since in the Sea Org management, a lot of the “hot” bad news is hidden and segregated OUT of the information stream that staff at management get. The really critical stuff, like Jon’s SP Declare of Miscavige had a short life sharing those details, before that SP Declare of Miscavige then was taboo to either read or talk about.

    The lesson is that factual information, a lot of it is in that Declare of Miscavige, in the hands of actual Scientology staff, will be absorbed. If enough truth is in official looking writings, then the staffs and the public will absorb that information, for a tiny window of time, before that information is seen for what it is, and censored.

    Anyways, thankyou Jon, from the OFO room at the complex, a belated thankyou for sharing that old bit of history.

    That is quite a good thing you did then!

    I remember it now, how it filtered even into the FLAG OFO room talk! At least for a tiny short period, until it became another of the long list of taboo things to talk about.

    I knew slightly most of the people mentioned in the Declare of Miscavige, and it was quite a bold and correct action, it put you in the league of windmill tilting whistleblowers which the world needs more of!

    It all makes better sense to me today, hearing so many other people’s stories of what they lived through during that time.

    • Bella Legosi

      Thank you for sharing! I was really curious when this was posted this morning what sort of reverberations this had in the “church”!

      • And I don’t rent cars!

        But most important to me are all the memories, i.e. reverberations, this post is currently eliciting in the exes here in the Bunker who lived through those times! I especially appreciate that so many are writing and sharing these memories with us today.
        So I say, “Gather little children. Be still. And listen.”
        And I am. With awe and appreciation.

        • Bella Legosi

          I am with you there!

          It is discussions like this, blogs like this, that will allow those still in to maybe see some light! I am very happy that people are posting their memories and experiences. It really shows that there are serious “structural” cracks in the LRon Co$ world! This is how it should be damn it! Where everyone, one and all, are free to talk, discuss, remember!

          If there was an internet god I would have to bow to him!

          • And I don’t rent cars!

            ^^^^^ :- )

        • Still_On_Your_Side

          Well said!

        • DodoTheLaser

          What got you interested in the subject in the first place?
          Sorry if I missed it somewhere earlier.
          Also, thank you for being kind.

          • And I don’t rent cars!

            Well before I bore you with my simple story, but long winded – as usual :- ), story Dodo, you must know the “Kindness” trophy goes to you. I’ve noticed how you are beloved here in the Bunker and I have much to learn from you about being a spirit that is kind, gentle, and gracious. It is with regret that I often miss your posts because of different time zones.

            I started by corresponding by email to Tony and I’ve posted the relevant section here for you – and I am warning you it is a story that is not in the least bit interesting:

            “I am not a former nor current scientologist. In fact, I don’t personally know any scientologist. But I nonetheless became fascinated with scientology these past couple years when the telephone posts in the city I live in, (insert city and Country here) were suddenly plastered with lush, colorful, yet odd and creepy looking posters. They were scientology posters I soon discovered. I was so concerned about this sudden onslaught that I naively called the police about it – warning them that we were being invaded by some strange cult! I soon found out they were simply in violation of some obscure “Poster on Telephone Pole” city by-law. At about the same time, I was suddenly deluged (all addressed to the former occupant of my apartment) with Scientology brochures, letters insisting that I buy their books, etc.

            Intrigued, I Googled ‘scientology’ and was shocked by what I learnt about this organization and deeply saddened by the human rights abuses of their own seemingly dedicated members and staff. My research led me to you and your stories and I followed you exclusively and followed you from the Village Voice to the Underground Bunker. Because of you, I then became obsessed… No need to apologize!”

            Dodo, that’s it. Nothing more. Northing less.

            I might add that I spent 17 of my formative years in the US and lived, as a shocked and outraged spectator, through Charles Manson, Jonestown, the Branch Davidians in Waco, Texas; etc. And most of those years were spent in a very beautiful, very rural area of the US where many of these cults, who wanted to live a “back to nature” or “back to the land” type of existence but also wanted to evade their critics (and in the case of many members, evade warrants for their arrest) and hide in the mountains or at river level “in the bushes” in the large, long pristine river valley. And these sects/cults have been fighting for dominancy in that area for 40 to 50 years. I hear the Amish, with their very, very deep wallets, have bought a tremendous amount of acreage and are gobbling up the verdant farms as soon as a For Sale sign is posted. I hear they also do a lot of ambulance chasing in hopes of acquiring even more land.

            So growing up, I had family and friends in these cults and fundamentalist evangelical Christian sects who tried to establish themselves in the areas where I then lived. But even as a child and adolescent, I am told I had a ultra-sensitive bullshit detector and was very critical, even cynical, but that this was tempered by an empathetic streak to my character. I hope they were right. But I still know “crazy” when I see it.

            And you Dodo, have you written somewhere what led you here? I would like to read it if a link is available. If this is a insensitive question, then just ignore me.

            • DodoTheLaser

              Thank you for your interesting and thoughtful reply, Mr. Mercedes!
              Sounds like you lived through many things in life and are a kind and wise man.

              I find it very valuable that all of us are sharing our experiences and opinions,
              it makes it a great learning pool. I appreciate you contributing to it.

              Not sure if I’m all that kind, gentle and gracious, but thank you for reminding me
              of striving to be all that. I do like people, so that’s a start.

              [IMG]http://i44.tinypic.com/4h86l1.jpg[/IMG]

              As far as what led me here, I was on staff for over 10 years

  • 1subgenius

    Jon Atack declaring David Miscavige in 1984: big balls of steel.

    • And I don’t rent cars!

      As Espiando would say, “Yup, …me, Justice Scalia… and John Atack… big brass balls… he must have graduated from the Univ. of Chicago, too.” ;- )

      • Espiando

        I didn’t say that brass balls were exclusive to us U of C types. I only said that all of us had them. We do practice the giving of beingness to others with said clangers.

        • BuryTheNuts2

          So true! They aren’t even exclusively male.

          They pay me for mine by the pound at work.!

          But I wear a pink bonnet and carry daisies around while dreaming of unicorns the rest of the time……Oops….{} snicker.

        • And I don’t rent cars!

          Oh come now. Don’t disappoint me – u wascally wabbit!

          Plus modesty doesn’t look good on you. Clashes with brass balls as an accessory.

  • Still_On_Your_Side

    Is it possible that Miscavige is taking a steroid for his asthma and that this is causing the “overly muscled” physique and irrational behavior?

    • 1subgenius

      “Possible” is almost meaningless.
      “Likely” is more relevant.
      Is it likely he’s all fucked up from steroids?
      More likely than you think.

    • And I don’t rent cars!

      Always thought he hired Hollywood personal trainers – for his new gym… all personally recommended by TC.
      Could be wrong, but steroids for medical reasons cause “bloat” not muscle. The right steroids prescribed for medical conditions, from personal experience and seeing it in countless cancer patients and people with lung diseases, can cause highly irrational behavior due to inability to sleep, agitation, irritability (rarely to the point of rage), decreased/increased appetite, etc.

      • Bella Legosi

        great point about the bloating. I know someone who has really severe asthma and fibromialgia and the steroids he is on for both causes him to bloat badly. Mood swings too.

      • Still_On_Your_Side

        I doubt he would be getting the steroids from a reputable doctor. From what I have heard, would he even admit to a medical problem? How do body builders avoid the bloat?

        • BuryTheNuts2

          I think it depends on the type of roids.

          And Daveys don’t look like they for a “medical condition” unless you call vanity one.

          • And I don’t rent cars!

            Vanity is one of seven deadly sins he is guilty of for sure. Being a f***g {church} f***g {minister}, may his ecclesiastical collar rise up to choke him.

        • And I don’t rent cars!

          Not from MDs – that’s what I was implying when I said “Hollywood” personal trainers. They would provide a detailed eating plan, extreme muscle building excercises, and, at the right price, could and would provide illegal steroids for building lean but super bulked up muscle mass; doesn’t mean they sell or administer them personally, either. They would simply “know someone.”
          Personal trainers to the stars (and the rich) have the “tech” because there is so much money involved in movies and/or the vanity involved in being a celebrity – especially when their livelihood depend on the ‘right’ look. Think of the actor(s) that put on 30-50 lbs of muscled mass for a movie and then lose it just as quickly. I’m not say that is what actors all do but I am sure they don’t all want to spend 6 – 8 hours, or more, in a gym everyday for months at a time to build up the look of a prize fighter, bad ass villan, super hero, etc.
          I think that answers your last question as well – different kind of steroids. And even though a lot of steroids are illegal, as I’m sure you know, money can buy you almost everything – and as in DM and the Co$’s cases, you can even buy “justice.” (Sincere apologies to all the ethical lawyers and judges out there.)
          The only “bloat” involved in these case, are the wallets of the trainers or pushers.
          P.S.Oh yeah, as to your second question: If he still has asthma, as others have speculated, when you can’t fucking breath – you’ll will sell your mother, your children, commit treason, anything… simply anything… to get that next breath!!! Not being able to breath, when you are very much alive and conscious is beyond language….

    • Spackle Motion

      SOYS, there are hundreds of different types of steroids that are naturally produced by animals, fungi, and plants. Steroids are used for a variety of pathological reasons, mostly to treat immune disorders and inflammation.

      One class of steroids, anabolic steroids, are synthetically made and are the ones used/abused to produce cell growth in human muscle tissue. These steroids are the ones more commonly referred to as causing “roid rage”.

      All steroid use by humans have side effects. Anabolic steroids can have cardiovascular long term side effects that can lead to an untimely death.

      Most body builders use human growth hormones, which are also anabolic agents, and these hormones are very dangerous and can produce more long term problems. You can always tell someone that is using this drug because their skeletal features actually grow (higher foreheads, longer jaws), their GI tract grows and they usually have a bloated mid-section that is usually sucked in for competitions, and their sexual organs will grow (for women) and shrink (for men). It is not uncommon for female body builders that use this hormone to have to clip their clitoris (and I am NOT MAKING THAT UP, I got that information from a reputable journalist).

      The bloating effect (known as Cushing’s Syndrome) is a short term side effect to steroids that treat thyroid conditions, among other things. Jerry Lewis had that for awhile several years ago.

      One thing about Miscavige is that he’s a very short person, which makes it easier to build up muscle mass. That’s why you rarely see a very tall body builder…..I don’t see the typical facial growth (think Arnold Schwarzenegger’s or Sly Stallone’s head) and I don’t see other evidence that he’s taking steroids (bloated belly during candid photos, etc). He may have been taking anabolic steroids for awhile but it’s not likely that he could be taking them for decades…..they would have killed him by now.

      One good thing about anabolic steroid and HGH use in men is that it makes them sterile. So we don’t have to worry about more little dictators running around if he’s actually been using these drugs.

      • And I don’t rent cars!

        Re: your very last sentence, OMG. It had never even occurred to me until now that behind his razor wired, prison walled Int Base compound, he could have been BREEDING! <== involuntary screech not scream, sorry. What a nightmarish thought!

  • Miscavige smokes alright. In 1996 I was in his office for something and he had written an admonition to himself in big letters not to smoke no matter what. He really struggled to give up smoking but failed and finally said screw it. The Central Marketing Unit at Gold was in the third floor of a building that had earlier been a storage warehouse for stuff. It had no windows and very poor circulation since storage stuff needs neither. When CMU moved in there the ventilation was still terrible but DM would come up there to review something or pontificate and light up regularly.

    • 1subgenius

      Thanks for sharing.
      More, please.

    • And I don’t rent cars!

      Yes, more… please.

  • Poison Ivy

    “Sadly, I kept no minutes of the official meetings where I discussed profound matters with myself…”

    I love Jon Atack’s sense of humor. It amazes me that so many of you exes who have come out of such chaos and oppression can heal enough to see the humor and irony in it.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      He and Marc Headley can tell the most frightening, deplorable tales but with utmost intelligent humor. Intelligence I think is their mojo that makes that magical combination happen.

      • Poison Ivy

        It’s a life lesson for all of us, the way they handle it.

  • PreferToBeAnon2

    Of interest today: Orthodox Christian rally in Moscow condemned Scientologist Community
    http://inserbia.info/news/2013/06/orthodox-christian-rally-in-moscow-condemned-scientologist-community/

    Oh those orthodox christians! They think the Scions are getting into their territory with all of the recruiting going on and want 1600 new churches in Moscow.

    • Captain Howdy

      Seeing as how all the O.R’s were happy to see Pussy Riot (well 2 of them, the other turned rat) be sentenced to a gulag, I have as about much sympathy for them as I have for their scilon brethren.

      • MissCandle

        But they are powerful and they do not like {new religions} moving in on their territory. (By “new” I mean relative to O.R.)

    • Spackle Motion

      The two nationalities that I would never fuck with are 1) Russians, and 2) Serbians. I’m afraid that the CoS will have to learn this the hard way.

      • Bella Legosi

        Oh one can only hope!

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    bury…calling you now?

  • dbloch7986

    The one line that stuck out the most to me is that in 1984 Miscavige had already issued 2000 declares? Holy….

    • Captain Howdy

      Supposedly, 38 out of a group of 50 who worked with LRH at Saint Hill were declared by D.M.

  • J. Swift

    With all due respect, by the time Jon Atack wrote his SP Declare of David Miscavige in 1984 it was far too late for it to mean anything whatsoever.

    I say this because the evidence points to the fact that L. Ron Hubbard personally appointed David Miscavige to take over the Church.

    LRH charged DM to do a big purge of problems Hubbard himself had created from 1953 – 1977 (the Snow White raid).

    IMO, Here is what LRH wanted DM to get rid of:

    * Mary Sue Hubbard

    * The GO

    * All of the Mission Holders

    * All legal and criminal charges against LRH

    * The Mother Church aka the Church of Scientology of California CSC — and this is crucial. CSC had to be nuked, melted down, and obliterated for all kinds of reasons. From its ashes would rise a hydra-head snake whose heads were countless paper corporations, many of them sham corporations whose only function was to move money into secret non-US accounts.

    *****
    IMO, LRH had lost control of GO WW, or he at least had lost confidence in the GO to keep him safe from the law. (GG WO = Guardians Office Worldwide, the precursor of OSA).

    Led by Mary Sue, GO WW was dirty, out of control, and its espionage activities so extensive that it was only a matter of time before Hubbard was arrested and the Church’s money and intellectual properties lost in a series of major lawsuits.

    Hubbard’s main enemies were the IRS CID and Michael Flynn’s FAMCO, the latter an ingenious legal machine designed to legally wipe LRH, CSC and all Church assets off the face of the Earth.

    *****
    IMO, this is the best way to understand that period of Church history: Miscavige was the wedge Hubbard used to drive between himself and all people and entities he wanted gone.

    A clean break.

    Miscavige’s own hatchet man, as if he needed one, was of course the utterly contemptible and vicious Norman Starkey.

    The Mission Holders were not on Hubbard’s direct comm lines and had not been for a long time. Rather, and to their peril, the Mission Holders trusted that Mary Sue Hubbard and the GO had their backs.

    The Mission Holders did an A=A in which MSH’s apporval = LRH’s approval. While that may have been true in the past, it was no longer true after MSH was arrested.

    *****
    The Mission Holders falsely assumed that Pat Broeker would take over for LRH.

    None of the Mission Holders knew that Pat Broeker, by his own stupid choices at the time, had made himself both irrelevant to LRH and the Church.

    Worse, Pat had made himself a potential target of US Federal criminal charges for embezzlement of Church funds, money laundering, inurement, and tax evasion.

    David Miscavige very shrewdly allowed Pat Broeker to paint himself into a corner.

    Pat was simply not paying attention to the events that were unfolding on the LRH/DM side of things. Pat was the witless agent of his own undoing.

    Broeker was mainly handling LRH’s very unimportant interests at the ranch in Creston: The purchase and care of horses, buffalo, and the other animals Hubbard wanted to roam the pasture.

    Why would Broeker, the presumptive heir of LRH’s Throne, busy himself with extraordinarily unimportant things such as feeding horses or supervising the building of a racetrack for horses?

    IMO, Pat took himself out of the game by his own folly.

    *****
    While extremely popular with Church members, Pat Broeker had made himself a complete liability to both LRH and the Church itself. The Mission Holders simply did not know this at the time.

    While Pat was busy drinking and being a gentleman rancher on Hubbard’s money, Hubbard was off making training films down south at the Base and promoting Battlefield Earth. Pat was far removed from the real action in the Church whereas DM was at the very center of it.

    DM focused himself on the Church side of LRH’s affairs whereas Pat focused himself on the ranch. That fact alone dictated the outcome.

    IMO, Hubbard liked Annie but was perfectly content to throw her husband Pat under the bus at the appropriate time. The breaking up of marriages meant nothing to Hubbard and he in fact had thrown his own wife under the bus.

    • OttoZ

      This is an accurate account.

      For a guy known for his sleazy attacks on Gerry Armstrong, and others, it’s a nice change of pace to see you being honest.

      Very good.

      • J. Swift

        OttoZ, if you want an honest history of the Church, then both Gerry’s heroism and his dishonesty must also be included.

        Otherwise, you are just doing what the Church is doing when it whitewashes Hubbard.

        Let’s not pretend Gerry or anyone else is simon-pure.

        IMO, no one gets out of the Church of Scientology pure as the driven snow.

        Archetypally speaking, Scientology speaks to the Myth of Persephone

        The Myth of Persephone tells us of a young maiden who was walking through a verdant field. She happened upon very a beautiful flower. She was so taken by its beauty that she stooped down to pick the flower.

        The flower was called Narcissus. It was a beautiful lure that had been placed in the field by Hades, the God of the Underworld. As soon as Persephone grabbed the flower to pick it for herself, Hades reached up from the Underworld and forcefully seized her. Hades took Persephone down into the Underworld where he could admire her beauty. Hades needed such beauty in this very dark place of shadows and death.

        Persephone’s mother Demeter — the Goddess of the Bountiful Harvest — found out what had happened. She was so stricken with grief that she closed up the skies so that there was no rain. The harvest died and the mortals cried out to the Gods for intercession.

        Zeus, the greatest of the Olympians and the father of Persephone, intervened in the quarrel between Demeter and Hades over possession of Persephone. It was agreed that Hades would allow Persephone to come back to the World of Day and Light — but only on the condition that she spend half of the year in the underworld with Hades.

        Read psychologically, the myth teaches that each of us encounters a disaster in life when we fall for an Egoic lure, when we as Narcissus grab the ego’s lure and do something for our own self-glorification. On these occasions, we are seized by the underworld and dragged down into the Hell and Death of our own personal underworld — a world connected to the larger, and very real, Underworld of the Universe.

        Our innocence is destroyed by Hades. The mother in us comes to our rescue in some form, but the price of being released is that we are forever sadder but wiser.

        Hubbard is a Hadean figure and the Church is his Underworld Cult.

        That is why I say no one gets out of the Church of Scientology clean.

        • OttoZ

          No one claims to be “pure as the driven snow,” but at least some people are trustworthy and reliable.

          Jon Atack is an honest person, and can be trusted.

          • J. Swift

            Agreed.

            • OttoZ

              Whatever.

              Your lack of trustworthiness makes these exchanges a waste of time.

        • Spackle Motion

          J. Swift, I really hope not to start a flame war but can you point me to the dox that illustrate Gerry’s dishonesty? I really want to read both sides, and I’m not sure where to find out just why his name creates such controversy with many ex-Scientologists. This is an honest question….I do not mean to disrespect anyone’s point of view, I just want to learn more about it.

          • OttoZ

            Get ready for one of Swift’s slime attacks.

            It’s too bad.

            Swift, if you weren’t so conniving, you could contribute much.

            Instead, there’s a hidden card in every deck you deal, even when you start out by telling the truth.

            Sad.

            • J. Swift

              OttoZ, if I had a dollar for every time Gerolyn and Veda called good soild OG critics liars. sympathizers, etc., I would be a millionaire.

              Please go peddle your Chilliwack Dead Agent pack somewhere else. I have heard it all before from Gerry’s camp: “Blah, blah, blah, J. Swift you bastard!”

              SpackleMotion, I will post the links you requested in the morning. In a nutshell. Armstrong is a divisive figure because he is an Absolutist. If you do not agree with him 100% he and his supporters will call you a Nazi, OSA, a liar, etc., and accuse you of having evil purposes to destroy Gerry.

              This is a tired old OG war. I am happy to let sleeping dogs lie but the other side is not.

  • I am

    As a side note, Don Hill, is spelled wrong. I was his wife and I was sued as well. We left Sn in 1980 and went to work in the “WOG” world. I prefer to call it the REAL WORLD. We were sued in 1982 as I recall. It was crazy. We had not done any Sn or squirrel activities for two years. I never did squirrel activities as I was pleased to be free.
    The staff members took over the mission in 1980 and I lost touch until we were called to court. Nuts!

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Thanks and I hope you know that 99.9% of us look at declares and smear campaigns and go pffffftt!

      Also, this seems to be a day of ghosts. So very glad you are speaking up.

      Yes, you sum it up nicely. Nuts.

  • ze moo

    Jon Atack can characterize the RTC and other ’82 and later CO$ entities as illegal, but in the legal scheme of things they have stood the test of time. Ok, they weren’t tested very hard but they survive. We can play wack-a-mole with the current structure. We will never know if Lrooon ‘authorized’ any of the new legal structures. All I know is I don’t know where Davey’s hiding his ill gotten booty. Find that and the house of cards fall down and Davey does jail time.

    • Captain Howdy

      I remember hearing that the FBI guesstimated that LRH had over 400 million squirreled away, back when they wanted to “talk” to him. If this is true, what happened to that money? Did D.M get his tiny fists on it?

      • stateofcircle

        I always wondered that too. I forgot exactly who said it, but apparently Hubbard just stockpiled those briefcases of cash Miscavige and Broeker would run him, and filled a barn with the, or something. I would say that Miscavge took it, but, really, why would he need it? He already took power and had all of the {church’s} resources at his disposal, and he didn’t up and run, and he’s been there for almost 30 years… Unless he sent it to the Caymans or Lichtenstein or some other financial asylum for a rainy day (read: when he has to flee), there is potentially hundreds of millions of dollars somewhere.

        • Captain Howdy

          I don’t think money is his #1 motivation. I think his desire to debase and humiliate everyone in his sphere of influence who happens to be taller or more educated than him is his main motivation.

          • MissCandle

            I agree with you, Cap’n. But I would bet that he has plenty of money stashed off-shore for his rainy day.

            • Captain Howdy

              I would bet he’s got at least half a billion.

            • MissCandle

              Wish we could find it.

  • Robert Eckert

    Breaking news from California: recall that even though the Supreme Court ruling does not become final for 25 days, to allow the losers to file a “petition to reconsider”, the stay that was blocking same-sex marriages in California was from the 9th Circuit (issued when the losers appealed the District Court ruling), and since the SCOTUS said the 9th Circuit should not have taken that appeal in the first place, the Circuit agreed to dissolve the stay instantly instead of waiting for the SCOTUS ruling to become “final”.

    So: the losers (can you tell that I love referring to the Prop 8 proponents that way?) have gone to SCOTUS with a motion for an “Emergency Stay” to stop all those danged weddings until they can draft their Petition to Reconsider! We’re all familiar now with Supreme Court Emergency Stay motions, aren’t we? The motion for the Emergency Stay first has to go to our friend Anthony Kennedy. My response: HA, HA, and a big HAAA!

  • I am

    Heavens ! I hope I am not a ghost. Don has passed but not me. I am enjoying life to the fullest and have happily connected with my family. I do miss communication with all the wonderful people who were staff at our mission though. If any of you are still out there, let me know. I love and miss you all.

  • Scientia
    • BuryTheNuts2

      BAAAHAAAHAAA!

      • PreferToBeAnon2

        Oh Joe Childs must have enjoyed reporting this one!

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          I wonder how many rewrites it took.

          • PreferToBeAnon2

            Childs did a bang up job. It could have been a little blip… a misdemeanor thing… but Childs really gave it some attention with her whole background. He included her lying about not receiving the notification, of being a slum lord (no hot water for 9 months!), the Kyle situation, and some ironic twists from her deposition. Bless him, he got some great quotes that nailed her and a bunch of photos. Kudos to him!

    • PreferToBeAnon2

      πŸ˜€ is she still in?

    • Captain Howdy

      AH-HA!

      D.M no doubt wishes he could R2-45 his entire family. That’s beautiful and made my day and night.

      • BuryTheNuts2

        Wait till you get to this line in the story:

        Doors needed knobs.

        I lost my shiz!!!

        • PreferToBeAnon2

          Loved the end of the story:

          “That’s not how Scientologists are taught to deal with drug users.

          They are supposed to “handle” them β€” persuade them to stop using β€” or cut off ties with them.

          Denise said so in a sworn statement.

          Her comments came during a deposition she gave in the Kyle Brennan
          wrongful death suit in July 2010. Tampa lawyer Ken Dandar asked for her
          understanding of the Scientology term “potential trouble source.”

          “That is somebody who is connected to somebody else who is antagonistic to that person’s well-being,” Denise said.

          Dandar pressed, and Denise explained that a Scientologist has two ways to deal with a trouble source: handle or disconnect.

          “If a Scientologist in good standing . . . is connected to a” β€”

          “Drug pusher,” Denise said, finishing his sentence.

          “Drug pusher?” Dandar asked.

          “Absolutely disconnect,” she said.”

          • BuryTheNuts2

            Well, this is rich. Childs had some subtle zingers in that story…like the door knobs.
            I can’t stop laughing like an insane hyena!!!!

            • PreferToBeAnon2

              me too! what a month! the gods just keep on giving…

            • BuryTheNuts2

              ALL HAIL XENU!!!!

            • stateofcircle

              July: Judiciously Delicious

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Winner Winner chicken dinner

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Julicious! and I wonder if there are cameras pointing to the newspaper machines in Clearwater….because I just noticed this article and her mugshot is on the Front Page of the Tampa Bay times. Whoop

            • BuryTheNuts2

              EPIC!

              So fucking awesome.

              Hi Dave.

            • Youhaveaflavor

              Julicious Judication!

            • And I don’t rent cars!

              I think THDNE gets the popcorn cake, she’s way ahead of everyone! Last night she said (fter I posted my meager offerings to her) –
              Judge July?

              July Judicial Jubilee?

              Judalicious Judicial July?

              Judgelicious July?

              She replied with:

              TheHoleDoesNotExist And I don’t rent cars! a day go

              Julicious

            • PreferToBeAnon2

              I see Kyle’s story is in there. Somewhere I heard that there might be a legal resurrection of this case. Does anyone have any more info on that?

            • BuryTheNuts2

              I don’t have any info but I have a hella strong opinion.

            • PreferToBeAnon2

              Just did some noodling. There is a website for Kyle: http://justiceforkylebrennan.blogspot.fr/

              His mother is trying to get the case reopened:

              “An appeal in the case was denied in September 2012.

              However, a reading of the articles at Justice
              For Kyle Brennan and study of depositions in the case, which only became
              public a year ago, suggest that obstruction of justice and violation of Kyle’s
              civil rights have been massive. They cry out for investigation by government
              authorities.

              It was heartening therefore to hear Mrs. Britton say the way forward to justice
              for Kyle Brennan is to seek re-opening of the case.”

              She gave a gut-wrenching radio interview…David Love covered it.

            • I interpreted this as a nice dig: “Scientologists believe psychiatry and psychotropic drugs are evil β€” like street drugs.”

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              we know where they can buy some… at auction prices.

        • SandiCorrena

          Should we plan a knob-athon? Engrave the names of the glorious SP’s?

        • Observer

          I wonder if Davey will raid the Valley Ideal Org Doorknob Fund to help a sister out.

      • PreferToBeAnon2

        Her pre-trial hearing is July 25. I need to start a calendar with all of these Scion court actions!

    • BuryTheNuts2

      You made the rest of the weekend!

    • Chocolate Velvet

      Wow! I just caught this story from one of the SPs on FB. Denise and her husband seem to be slumlords, and she was reportedly accepting bags of blunts in lieu of utility payments. Oopsie! She got caught red-handed. One more headache for DM. Excellent…

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        And they got the story in there about Kyle Brennan.

    • Couch_Incident

      “All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.”

    • Youhaveaflavor

      I really hope everyone takes a sec to register at the website to make comments, it’s going to be flooded with scilons. And journalists WILL be reading the comments.

  • BuryTheNuts2

    She has that bulging brow too!

    • Sherbet

      Are you serious? I leave the Bunker for awhile, and I return to this. DM must be gulping Maalox by now.

      • Captain Howdy
        • Sherbet

          Perfect, Howdy. First senior Miscavige, then Jenna, and now Denise. How delightfully embarrassing for DM. “Scientology: Do as we say, and not as DM’s relatives do.”

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          and if anyone runs out of popcorn, I’m coming prepared for the entire new week.

          [IMG]http://i40.tinypic.com/wmnux0.jpg[/IMG]

          • BuryTheNuts2

            Baahaahaa.
            Is this not funnier than hell?

          • Captain Howdy

            Is that Mr. Hole? πŸ™‚

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              It could be. haha no,

        • Bella Legosi

          I wonder if anyone has had the titanium balls to slip DM a valume or ativan? Its pretty easy to pull off, especially if the person drinks! Just saying……..planting some seeds….

          {Bella has never ever done this to any ex boyfriend cuz he pissed her off. Besides drugs are bad…..mmmmmmmkay}

    • stateofcircle

      When was this?

    • George Layton

      It stuns me. I’ve been reading over at the ESMB, and Marty’s blog some and folks will post about the importance of auditing and that some of the tech is valid and yet it seems like these people that have gained a greater awareness from hubbards teachings can’t see the collateral damage laying right here beside them. The broken minded looks and actions coming from the people right there in front of them. I can’t believe someone so aware can continue on with a belief that there is gain involved in all this and yet not see all the damage being done. Scientology does not bring about self awareness, it brings about a selfish awareness.

      • BuryTheNuts2

        Boggles the mind,….doesn’t it?

  • BuryTheNuts2

    O where are you? You need to shoop a blunt into this bitches mouth!

    • Captain Howdy

      Her sharing a blunt with Davey. She’s the one that Steve Fishman claimed left the cult and became a crack ho, but he also said that there was another sister who killed herself after doing OT3. Which of course is total bullshit

      • BuryTheNuts2

        Confucius say Fishman tell fish stories!

  • Chocolate Velvet

    Here is Denise Miscavige’s mug shot.

    She looks scared. Do you suppose she is worried about her “eternity”? Oh, the schadenfreude!

    • stateofcircle

      Those crazy eyes!!!!

      • Bella Legosi

        awe give her a break………..shes just hella baked!

        teehee I love it when I make sleep deprived cheesy rhyming jokes.

  • BuryTheNuts2

    Well Tony is going to need to pull a rabbit out of his, er…hat to top Childs tomorrow!

  • PreferToBeAnon2

    So, will he: (1) have the guts to declare her, (2) keep her in The Hole, or (3) use this as a PR opp for NarCONon? I’m laying odds on The Hole… she’s too dangerous to have running around out there. Surprised she didn’t land there for {causing a flap} with Kyle. For some reason, I had thought that she was totally out after that, but perhaps not. Oh Karen Pouw, please DO discuss the family.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Let’s see. Looking back at his track record, I’m hearing her calling up her bro’ and asking for mercy and of course, Mo Money:

      [IMG]http://i41.tinypic.com/5akks6.jpg[/IMG]

      • Captain Howdy

        I just hope he’s gentile with her.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          oooch!

          Okay, getting ready for early night, early aqua therapy in the morning. Unless David Miscavige is arrested, no need to wake me. What a day. I got Nothing done.

        • PreferToBeAnon2

          well he sure as hell won’t be jewish! badumpump

          • L. Wrong Hubturd

            Barf says:

  • Captain Howdy

    Nine blunts is a misdemeanor in republican Florida? I remember reading on some drug message board that if you were caught with one benzo without a script you could get ten years in Fla.

    • PreferToBeAnon2

      That was until Jeb Bush’s daughter got caught

      • Captain Howdy

        Of course!

    • BuryTheNuts2

      Oh please. Florida is all bark and no bite.
      Hence the COS in Clearwater.

      • Captain Howdy

        You know that a lot of conservative politicians love CofS in Fla. They have deep pockets and they wear uniforms and have short hair and they have crosses on top of their “churches”. What’s not to love for the right-wingers?

        • BuryTheNuts2

          Well I don’t love the bastards and I have both a right and a left wing.

          It keeps me from flying in circles!

          • Captain Howdy

            And I know the Dems are just as crooked, they’re just not as morally hypocritical about it.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Mostly I agree…but two names jump right into my mind.
              So I will stick with “mostly”.

            • Captain Howdy

              Dam! I knew I should have bought a fifth. This pint I just bought is almost gone.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              I know! I only had a couple of glasses of wine left so I had to scour the house for downers and couldn’t find shit!
              And I am way to lazy to put my clothes on an go to the store!

              And this Denise thing has me in a party mood!

            • Captain Howdy

              The packie is at the end of my street and it’s open to eleven. Sometimes I wish it wasn’t there because there’s nothing else in walking distance.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              I got a 24/7 CVS right next to the house.
              But I am still too lazy to get up, hehe.

          • Bella Legosi

            Very well said!

  • SP ‘Onage

    Fantastic, Jon! This is a reminder of the unmatchable power of the written word. Best SP declare…Ever!!

    • PreferToBeAnon2

      SP, to catch you up: “Scientology leader David Miscavige’s twin sister faces marijuana charges”

      Epic article by Tobin here: http://www.tampabay.com/news/scientology/twin-sister-of-scientology-leader-miscavige-arrested-for-marijuana/2129224

      • And I don’t rent cars!

        OMG, PTBA2, thanks for getting me caught up too! My knickers (and Disqus) were all in a twist. For the past hour, I refreshed, I rebooted, I played with the order of the posts, etc.etc.etc.etc.etc., I’d have 6 and 7 hour gaps between posts, links & pics people were discussing weren’t showing up, and… (I just deleted 2 paragraphs of trying to explain my problems!!!)
        Just an evergrateful, everlovin’ thanks!

        • And I don’t rent cars!

          OK now folks [Cars jumps on top of bar and starts yelling and honking horn] OK, ATTENTION EVERYONE IN THE BUNKER! ATTENTION PLEASE! [Cars lowers the rpm’s and says in normal “voice.”] Did anyone else just see happened there?!!! Hurry, come look before it disappears and I’m a fool off.
          AGAIN JUST NOW, just as I was about to hit “Post”, Batman, i.e. Tony Ortega aka Uncle Sam, punches a hole through the Batman Bunker wall and nearly knocks me out with his comment not to mention poke his finger in my eye! It’s damn scarey…
          DAMN! Evidence just disappeared. Someone just slid in from the right and posted between me and Batman aka Tony aka Uncle Sam!

          • BuryTheNuts2

            I saw it! I am a witness.

            And it is starting to get funny!

            • And I don’t rent cars!

              Bless you child!! No, not f**g Joe Childs. We are NOT starting THAT upgain.

            • And I don’t rent cars!

              And speaking of priests and everything… you’ve got some evil lookin’ eyes there child!
              I think you better go to confession.

            • And I don’t rent cars!

              Batman, give that woman 10,492 up votes. She’s a witness. Finally. Amen. And Halleluya.
              (And if some one sends me a link to Leonard Cohen and his Halleluja, I’m going to put sugar in my gastank!)

      • TonyOrtega

        Poor Joe. Check that byline again.

        • PreferToBeAnon2

          OOPS! I meant Childs. My sincere apologies to Mr. Childs! I’ll get out my boiler suit now…

        • Captain Howdy

          No fair..we’re all snookered.

      • Youhaveaflavor

        Comment section over there can get lit up with scilons, in my experience.

        • Robert Eckert

          It’s a game of Whackamole

      • SP ‘Onage

        OMFG! I didn’t read any of the posts before I wrote mine.

        Kerplash and splatter, a shit storm done hit Miss (smoking blunt) Denise and the face of scientology…baaahahaha! Reminds me of the movie ‘SPUN’… hilarious and sad at the very same time.

        Thanks for the heads up. After a frustrating day of systemic bullshit, this made me laugh like a madman lunatic in my backyard…this heatwave is fukin uncomfortable as hell.

    • aquaclara

      Omg, this is the best SP declare ever. I, too still have 500 posts to read having taken a wee little break for the day outside of the Bunker!! And the breaking Denise news is huge!

      • SP ‘Onage

        Yeah, this is really really hugh! I still can’t believe it. πŸ˜€

  • TonyOrtega

    Working on getting reactions to Joe’s story.

    • PreferToBeAnon2

      I see it both ways… Managing Editor at the top and then, unfortunately, Times Staff Writer before the text. Sigh….

      • PreferToBeAnon2

        Ok Dicks-us is being strange again… I thought it was weird that Tony had the same comment twice! Refreshing also all brought out all of the great jpegs that everyone posted that were not there before…

        • And I don’t rent cars!

          AMEN to that!! Just as I was about to hit “post” on a comment to you about my problems with Dickhead Dick-us, Tony aka Uncle Sam aka Batman punched a hole in Bunker wall and I had to duck from being hit in the face again! Not only that but he did it twice in rapid succession – and I didn’t refresh. AND I’m not drinking!
          Oh forget, I’ll never be able to explain PTBA2 :- (

          • And I don’t rent cars!

            OK Cars, it’s back to talking to ourselves. PTBA2 now says there’s only ONE Tony aka Uncle Sam aka Barman post but even though I refreshed just like PTBA2 just now, I still have 2 identical posts by Tony aka Uncle Sam aka Batman!!!
            Am I going crazy?

            • Bella Legosi

              Hey! Talking to your self can be very helpful and therapeutic! Nothing wrong with that!

              Disqus likes to really act up once the posts start reaching 500 I have noticed. It really messed up the night of the Writers of the Future live blog, but that was a live blog and a lot of posts were being shot off nearly at the same rate and speed. But, Disqus likes to crap out around the 500 mark, that I know for sure!

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              It’s not just at 500, though that really does seem to do something evil and magical to the system. It’s been wonky for me ALL day.

            • PreferToBeAnon2

              Nopers. There were two–pointing out my error to the esteemed Mr. Childs.

            • Robert Eckert

              I still have Tony’s “Poor Joe” post showing up twice: once at the main level, and once in its proper place as a response to the misattribution.

            • And I don’t rent cars!

              Nope, you are not crazy. Those two posts are still there but what I was trying to demonstrate when I jumped on the bar and yelled have now been separated by god knows how many posts between you and Tony aka Uncle Sam aka Batman. No one will understand now what you mean that lately you are just about to hit “post” and he punches a hole through the Bunker wall and scares the bejeezes out you. Unbelievable man how many times that happened this month!!!
              No one is going to understand and no one is going to believe you :- (
              Ever think of starting to drink?

            • And I don’t rent cars!

              Do you think he has a peep hole in his Batman Bunker wall and waits until he sees my headlights pull up before he does that? It’s not only scarey. It’s getting kind of creepy you know?!

            • And I don’t rent cars!

              I still think you need a drink. Someone here in the Bunker will have some booze to share with you – kinda steady your nerves….

            • And I don’t rent cars!

              Nah, I overheard the Capt’n just before Tony aka Uncle Sam aka Batman nearly socked me that he wished he had bought a bigger bottle because his pint is nearly empty. I’m OK really.
              Hey, I know. DM’s twin sister got busted I hear. Why don’t I go ask her if she’s got a little “medicine” to calm my nerves? Hey, did you know her brother is a PRIEST in some weird ass Am. religion?

            • And I don’t rent cars!

              No shit! Anyway, hope his sister has some shit for you. G’night.

            • PreferToBeAnon2

              your scarin’ me a bit there, cars! clogged carburetor?

            • And I don’t rent cars!

              Think I got a cranky crankshaft. Hey, were you talking to yourself while I was talking to myself instead of me trying to talk to you because you were talking to yourself?

            • PreferToBeAnon2

              yes

            • And I don’t rent cars!

              Good. I feel better.

        • PreferToBeAnon2

          ohhhhhgeezzz just saw the squirrel with the hat riding the snake… maybe refresh wasn’t such a good idea

          • BuryTheNuts2

            This is why I can’t quit this blog!
            It is impossible.

    • PreferToBeAnon2

      Thanks Ortega! After an incredible week of reporting, I bet you thought you could gather up the funnies for us tomorrow and then just take the rest of the night off! There is clearly a momentum going here…

    • aquaclara

      The Bunker never sleeps!
      Ok, Tony, after this week, you are very much entitled to a vacay!!!

    • DodoTheLaser

      Sunday Funnies “Special” it will be indeed.

  • Bella Legosi

    “The church and David Miscavige declined to comment. “The church does not discuss Mr. Miscavige’s family as it would be inappropriate to do so,” spokeswoman Karin Pouw said.”

    So W T F about all the other people they DO TALK ABOUT????? Is it appropriate then? And why hasn’t Karin been disappeared already? Whenever this woman talks it is utter failure!

    ok that made me very angry!

    • richelieu jr

      I thought she had been disappeared… Has anyone seen her and not just her name on press releases? Maybe she’s back?

      • Bella Legosi

        Good point! I didn’t think about that! I just saw Karin and instantly was angered and disappointed!

        • BuryTheNuts2

          Davey is wearing her lip gloss again and speaking in his fake Karin voice!

  • Bella Legosi

    “She would give him $30 or $40 for a few blunts, he said.”

    HA in Portland we call that getting ripped off!

    • Captain Howdy

      Ten for a blunt is Boston price.

      • PreferToBeAnon2

        Geez… I remember when an ounce was $25. Holy shit… I just sounded like my father when he talked about nickel ice-cream cones. Shoot me.

        • Captain Howdy

          I remember that to. This stuff they have nowadays will seriously F you up.

          • BuryTheNuts2

            Two sucks on a bowl and I am toast. today’s stuff is the shit!

            • Captain Howdy

              I smoke some of that hydroponic shit and I’m more wasted than If i did a bag of D or drank a pint of PJ.

            • Bella Legosi

              *sighs*

              Am I the only super stoner of this group????

              lol {old people! pfffftttt}

            • Captain Howdy

              Yeah well try doing 20 bags of D in a day or drink a half gallon of PJ in a day and come back and tell me how hardcore you are. : )

            • Bella Legosi

              Your ability’s mean nothing to me Captain, cuz by the sounds of it……..I could still smoke you under the rug! Name the strain and device! Ensign Bella challenges you!

              >P

              Need I remind you I am literally the same height and weight class as DM? If I partied like a rock star, as you have described, I would be very much dead! But before I passed I would still smoke you under the rug.

            • Captain Howdy

              HAH! I use to shoot Evan Dando under the table.

            • Bella Legosi

              Aye, the challenge still stands, Captain O my Captain! Come to Portland! The Swishers are cheap!

            • Chocolate Velvet

              “Am I the only super stoner of this group????”

              Uh, nope.

        • And I don’t rent cars!

          BANG!

      • Bella Legosi

        It’s about half that here…………but drugs are bad right?
        πŸ˜‰
        {Didn’t you hear the good people at the Portland Narconon? It is those damn Mexicans, invading our national forests, growing the Devil Cabbage! They are in kahoots with the Vietnamese and terrorize innocent campers!}

      • Bella Legosi
        • Captain Howdy

          Indeed I did.

          • Bella Legosi

            I aim to please!

            You up early! Good morning on the east coast!

            • Captain Howdy

              What are you doing up at 3:30 in the morning?

            • Bella Legosi

              Ha I am a vampire remember? These are my peak hours to watch Russian cannibals talk about serving kangaroos to people!

              I slept in and my bro didn’t wake me up for work. So I said screw it……..I got like 5 hours. Got on and started dinking around the interwebs.

            • Bella Legosi

              I will be surprised if you haven’t seen this already. If not, then wow, find it and watch it. You would really like it!

              http://youtu.be/GEFj0Pngu_E

  • SandiCorrena

    https://www.facebook.com/Denise.Gentile1 if anyone wants to send her some love……

    • aquaclara

      Delphi school, Clearwater academy, the jive aces, a chiropractic..doesn’t any Scilon have real friends? So we have to untwist ALL of these??? Even that wacky Panwhatever cafe in Clearwater. oh, and a spa, but not the one that posted the great sign last year. Sheesh. All Scilons.

      • Semper Phi

        All Scilons, including Kyle Brennan’s stepmother, Wendy Brennan…

  • aquaclara

    When we were talking about Davey’s year so far just a day or two ago, and I thought about the next Tampa Bay Times surprise, coming in when Davey would least expect it, I never thought it would hit this close to Davey, and right now. But wow, this is very well researched and written. Hey, Davey, how’s your summer going so far?

  • PreferToBeAnon2
  • PreferToBeAnon2

    Just a thought to make it even richer… all of those Scions are in town there getting trained up for SuperPowerz! He is in town as well. This is going to get some play.

  • Debt OT

    According to a recent post over at M Rinder’s blog, Miscavige is en route to Clearwater to clear up the situation. Maybe he thinks he can pull this off, like he did with the IRS?

  • Zana

    I LOVE Jon Atack! Wow! And I LOVE this Declare Notice on Crazy Davey. And the story behind it… of Jon being the Chairman and the only member of the OT committee is priceless. Thank you, Jon, for all that you do. Your book is one of the books that literally stopped me in my tracks and changed my life. I’m FREE! I’m FREE!

  • SP ‘Onage

    Wow. Somebody else should have been driving Miss Daisy…I mean Miss Denise in that condition.

    • DodoTheLaser

      Nah, she’s OT 6, an auditor, and ethics officer.
      Weed and alcohol in her system is just MEST.
      Her TR’s were still in, just look at that mugshot!
      holy. fucking. shit.

  • DodoTheLaser

    That was one harsh SP Declare, Jon! Yet very just.

    May be you or someone can write one for LRH, even though postmortem.

    My English is modest. HH are you reading this?

  • Lilaeth

    Frankly, if I looked so much like Little Boots, I’d be smoking dope as well!

    • 1subgenius

      Its my belief that its DM in drag.

  • 1subgenius

    Something can be done about it.

    Best Sunday morning wake up story with coffee ever.

    • Bella Legosi

      “Church of Scientology RAIDED! FBI and Interpol simultaneously arrest and raid top executives of Church! Process servers and civil attorneys are lining up at the court house to file more charges!”

      THAT would be the best wake up story ever!

      • 1subgenius

        And if my aunt had balls she would be my uncle.

  • mook

    The list of participants in the Nashville Org’s Interntional Human Rights Day is disturbing. Among them: Amnesty International, Catholic Charities, the NAACP, the Tennessee AFL-CIO, the United Nations Assocation…
    https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/international-human-rights-day-tennessee-12-7.94619/

  • Observer

    OTVIIisGrrrreat has weighed in (sorry if this as already been posted; looked and didn’t see it).

    http://otviiiisgrrr8.com/2013/06/30/thepsychs-plant-drugs-on-cobs-twin-sister/

    • Bella Legosi

      I was hopeing that OT8 would comment on the SP declare

      πŸ™

      But it is a good read, none the less!

      • Observer

        Sorry, I should have been more specific.

        • Bella Legosi

          It’s all good!

  • PreferToBeAnon2

    Tony’s got a new post up