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Claire Headley on Scientology’s Feats of Clay — ALSO: Geir Isene on Wikipedia

ClayDemo2Claire Headley is taking us on our journey to train as Scientologists. She and her husband Marc were Sea Org workers who escaped from Scientology’s International Base in 2005. She spent years working with Scientology’s “tech,” and was trusted to oversee the auditing of Tom Cruise. Go here to see the first part in this series.

Claire, last time we learned about how much Scientology learning is often repetitive. How about this week?

CLAIRE: More of the same, I’m afraid.

By this point, you’re a Fast Flow student (having completed Student Hat and Method One Word Clearing, which we’ve already covered). The next step to becoming a trained auditor is the Professional TRs course.

We’ve covered the TRs in some detail already.

THE BUNKER And how. This feels like our third time through Scientology’s staring contests.

CLAIRE: Well, on the Pro TRs course, you get to study in detail the key materials where Hubbard talks about communication and its components.

The main thing I remember hearing about it prior to actually doing the course was “the wall of clay” — where you have to do a clay demo (demonstration) of every single paragraph of Chapter 7 of Dianetics 55!, “Communication.”

This always struck me as odd.

THE BUNKER: You’re telling us.

Up_The_BridgeCLAIRE: What I mean is, when you do a clay demo, you’re required to demonstrate in clay an exact concept. You’re not allowed to do “descriptive labeling” of your clay demos. For example, if I were to do a clay demo of someone playing basketball, I would label the figure “man,” not “basketball player.” I would then write a label of what my clay demo was supposed to represent (a man playing basketball) and place it face down. So when someone came to give me a checkout, they would have to guess that this was a clay demo of a man playing basketball for me to pass. Well, that gets tough when you’re clay demoing full paragraphs from a book.

THE BUNKER We’d rather play basketball than convey it in clay.

CLAIRE: Don’t get me wrong, I think communication is a really important life skill. I’m just not of the view that this was the most effective or helpful way to learn that skill.

Once you make it through the “wall of clay” it’s back to the Training Routines, the TRs.

You watch the film Professional TRs numerous times. This was filmed in the 1970s with Hubbard directing. Dan Koon and Bob Waldman (known as Waldo at the Int base) were the stars of the film. The main premise of the film is that TRs are the first step to becoming a flawless auditor.

This time you have to do OT TR 0 (with eyes shut) to a two hour pass. Meaning you have to sit there perfectly for two hours with your eyes closed.

THE BUNKER: That is a great life skill.

CLAIRE: Same for TR 0 (staring at another person). You have to do this perfectly, for hours on end until you are able to do two full hours to a pass. There used to be a requirement to do TR 0 for two hours without blinking, but that was in the 1970s and was cancelled. Nonetheless, excessive eye blinking is a flunk. This may sound simple. But people end up on OT TR 0 and TR 0 for hundreds of hours sometimes.

Then you continue on through the TRs to TR 4, and in order to complete the course, you are required to get a video pass of flawless TR 4.

Anyone who had completed Pro TRs prior to the Golden Age of Tech release in May 1996 was required to redo the course and get a video pass all over again. I finished Pro TRs the first time in mid 1989 at Valley org in North Hollywood.

The EP (end phenomena) of the course is that you should be able to handle any communication situation in life no matter how tough. And that you should be able to handle any session situation with TRs alone.

For me, this translated as follows: When I was being hounded and hounded by Sea Org recruiters to join the Sea Organization shortly after finishing this course (at age 14) I was feeling pressured and backed into a corner to join dthe Sea Org.

So one day I asked my mom and dad to help me get the recruiters to back off.

Their response?

Well of course, since I was a “product” of the Pro TRs course and thus should be able to deal with any communication situation in life, I needed to deal with it myself.

THE BUNKER: So heartwarming.

According to a 2001 price list, the Pro TRs course is $3,500. Our total so far: $14,197.

 
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Geir Isene: Spying on Andreas Heldal-Lund and Trying to Sway Wikipedia

In a previous video interview, Norwegian former Scientologist Geir Isene dropped a couple of bombs about the church’s disastrous relationship with the Internet and with Google. This week, in the latest video from Karen de la Carriere and J. Swift, Isene talks about working as a Scientology spy to try and dig up dirt about Xenu.net owner (and fellow Norwegian) Andreas Heldal-Lund.

Geir also talks about how he tried to convince Scientology to soften up Wikipedia, which had banned the church from editing pages about itself.

 

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on July 2, 2013 at 07:00

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  • EnthralledObserver

    Weird… they keep charging you for the same thing over and over and over… and people are paying? I just do not GET this…???

    • Geir Isene

      It is part of the repetitive “duplication”. It is insidious. IMO it is the root cause of what is wrong in Scientology:

      http://isene.me/2013/07/01/scientology-root-cause/

      • FistOfXenu

        It’s really bad Geir. But for the ROOT cause of what’s wrong in the cult I look here

        • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

          I remember the scene in, “The Master” where Philip Seymour Hoffman dresses up as a cowboy. I told a friend at work that Hoffman was Hollywood handsome next to Hubbard.

          Hubbard was beyond bizarre. I was told not to judge OTs. I was told that they viewed the world very differently than a preclear like me. I’ll say they did.

        • Geir Isene

          Obviously. But that does not solve exactly What in Scientology perpetrates the harm done by the church. I think repetitive duplication achieves that.

          • Mark

            So presumably we must add “obsessive-compulsive disorder” to the increasingly long list of Hubbard’s psychological disorders.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Now I know why they denied his request for psychiatric care in the 40’s.
              They were overwhelmed at the resources it would take!

            • Mark

              And probably repelled by his chronic halitosis, his shifty eyes, his shark’s-maw mouth, his never bloody well *shutting up*, and other loathesome traits too numerous to mention…!

              Lawrence Wright mentions his distinctive hand-tremor, and constantly tapping foot when he was writing in his stateroom on the ‘Apollo’; there’s also a noticeable arm-waggling going on in that film of his lecture at Saint Hill on YouTube. If he didn’t have an over-active metabolism or thyrotoxicosis, the diagnosis must presumably be: OSD.

              Oh, if only someone had asked him if the little light in the fridge *really* goes out when you shut the door…

            • BuryTheNuts2

              OOh that is mean.
              I like it!

            • Poison Ivy

              I’d say his obsession with smells and his laundry might be evidence of that too Mark!

          • 0tessa

            Isn’t repetitive duplication a form of indoctrination? – a word Hubbard uses a lot in his technical bulletins.

            • Yup.

            • 0tessa

              So the training in Scientology itself is brainwashing. The so called ‘study-tech’ is nothing else than Hubbard’s brainwashing-tech? The students actually brainwash themselves…

          • FistOfXenu

            I wasn’t really disagreeing Geir. Just thinking that there are other parts of tech and policy that also are to blame. The hypnosis without permission, heavy regging, fair game, KRs that turn family and friends into spies, so called ethics that teach people to become evil, the learning tech that makes people stupid and arrogant at the same time, the tone scale that makes a virtue of LRH’s insanity and makes real virtues something they hate, bullying and disconnection and that whole superiority thing that gets them thinking they can trample other people ignore what’s right. Those are just a few things I was thinking. But I agree their idea of duplication is also part of it. 🙂

            By the way, you’re awesome, as my grandkids would say.

            • Truthiwant

              You’ve stated that absolutely correctly.
              Obviuosly not all Scientologists have all these attributes but many of them have one or more of them.

            • Poison Ivy

              Geir IS awesome and such an exciting addition to this blog!

              IMHO LRH’s “formula” for Scientology is a soup of manipulative elements and all aspects play into why it is so evil and dangerous. I guess the repetitive duplication plays into the brainwashing element…but to me, the whole KR thing is one of the most scary parts. Every totalist regime has a KR-like policy to turn people into spies on their friends, family, neighbors – it’s part of the way they maintain utter control over everyone without having to have real police on every corner. North Korea has it; Communist Russia had it; the Nazi’s had it. Every cult has it.

              People “snitching” on one another – it’s a way of bringing human nature to its lowest form.

            • Missionary Kid

              Fahrenheit 451 brought to life = $cientology
              If Ronnie didn’t write it, burn it. If someone has a book that contradicts Ronnie, turn them in.

          • pronoia

            Yeah. Repetitive duplication of ridiculous, illogical, and down right silly ideas lead eventually to the duplication of cruel, insane, insanity-inducing practices.

        • richelieu jr

          I was just reading the unedited interviews with Kima Douglas and she talks about how when Hubbard was in hiding, they would draw a fake mustache and long sideburns on him (he insisted on them) and they would put a cowboy hat on him so he could go out incognito.

          She said he always made the sideburns longer ‘so he would look like the locals’ (though they looked nothing like that) then insist on wearing his hat at a weird ‘jaunty’ angle so that when he finally wen tout, surrounded by pubescent girls in tight clothing, he looked like a real spectacle and turned heads everywhere.

          Sometimes he looked like an insane hobo and at other times just really weird. Never, ever, did he look nondescrept and invisible, He couldn’t help but make a spectacle of himself, and she found this charming, if nuts…The sideburns kind of looked real if you were really far off, she said;..

          • Truthiwant

            He wore the hat at a weird jaunty angle so as to hide the boil on his forehead!

            • MissCandle

              His brain was leaking out? What was left of his brain, that is.

            • FistOfXenu

              That photo was here the other day.

          • monkeyknickers

            Where’s that at, luv? This interview?

            • richelieu jr

              That and a TON of other wonderful stuff are at the site of Bare Faced Messiah.. You can also have a pdf version of the wonderful book for free there…

              Sorry I don’t have the URL as I downloaded it ages ago and am on my phone here…

          • Captain Howdy

            Yeah I remember in Bare Faced Messiah how when he was hiding out in NYC he would walk around the Bronx in these weird get ups and the kids would follow him around making fun of him

            • Missionary Kid

              They were smarter than they realized.

        • Bella Legosi

          Now THAT’S one hell of a scary halloween mask!

        • Observer

          Appropriate that he’s wearing a black hat. He sure wasn’t one of the good guys.

        • Sherbet

          “I don’t care whose hat you’re wearing. I’m not buying Quaker Oats from you, Ron.”

        • I just had this terrible thought of Ron butchering Bon Jovi’s “Wanted Dead or Alive” with his bizarre baritone “singing” voice.” “I’m a cowboy…”

          • BuryTheNuts2

            GAH!

          • FistOfXenu

            You just ruined that song for me. Good thing I’m not a huge Bon Jovi fan.

        • Spackle Motion

          I always think of the Revolting Cocks song, “Beers, Steers, and Queers” when I see this picture.

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyGp98Xoq9g

        • Kim O’Brien

          this guy just totally creeps me out. Who would look at him and think ” yeah ..he has the answers i have been looking for ” …he reminds me of a fat Jimmy Saville . I am glad that he died in his own stink . For someone who was supposed to be all that and a bag of chips ..no one gave a crap when he kicked the bucket and bajillions of people have never even heard of the guy and are living happy lives with friends and family . When Nelson Mandella dies …the world will remember him …someone who really stood for something and walked the walk . Hubbard was just a freak and a scam artist .

          • FistOfXenu

            Good rant. No, GREAT rant. But who’s Jimmy Saville?

            • Kim O’Brien

              oh dear …you gotta google that guy . Big deal in the UK ..big starr and charity guy who was molesting kids all the way back to the 60’s . Totally creepy and gross

            • FistOfXenu

              I think that’s all I want to know. Thanks.

            • Jon Hendry

              Yes the guy who looked like a pedo from Central Casting.

          • monkeyknickers

            I feel EXACTLY the same way. Who would look at this fat slob with a cyst on his forehead and figure him for the next messiah. Obviously I don’t think there was a first messiah but you get my drift. He is ICKY.

            He is the weird janitor at elementary school that you avoid on instinct.

      • Truthiwant

        As you say on your blog, “Duplication” comes from one of Hubbard’s Axioms. You go on to say that, quite correctly, the Axiom is false.

        Put simply, if one can duplicate something, then that thing will disappear. You give the example of duplicating a trauma and if you duplicate it completely, the trauma ceases.

        I remember being told by Scientologists many years ago about this duplication thing but it went much much further than some bruised knee or cut elbow.

        These people were saying and obviously believing that on the upper levels of Scientology, the Duplication Tech was so strong that an OT could make himself disappear. Ron had already done it, they said!

        Yes, it’s Harry Houdini Hubbard!!

        • FistOfXenu

          Let the J&D begin!

          Caption: “I can’t see myself anymore! I’ve made myself disappear! Is my needle floating?”

          • Truthiwant

            A really useful time for “Duplication Tech” to work is when Scientologists are confronted by IAS fundraisers!

        • Observer

          My tiny wog brain with its non-Scientology-enhanced IQ tells me that if you duplicate something exactly you have two of them (identical twins, for instance). If Ron had, Xenu forfend, duplicated himself, we’d have two of them instead of none.

          • BuryTheNuts2

            That is funny. My math works just like yours.

            • EnthralledObserver

              Ditto…

            • FistOfXenu

              Ask Jaden. Us wogs need more advanced math. 1+1 = 0

          • Truthiwant

            I will now give you an insight in to a Scientologist’s mind but first I must say “yes, I agree with you that duplication means multiplying something”

            However, you are not a Scientologist, so you have not been subjected to their scientifically proven facts.

            This was how the “Duplication Tech” was explained to me by a Scientologist. Please don’t laugh.

            “Take a piece of paper and place it on the table. You see the piece of paper, right? Good. Now take another piece of paper identical to the one that you have just placed on the table. Good. Place that second piece of paper on top of the first piece of paper in the same identical position. Good. You see what has happened? Yes, you can’t see the piece of paper underneath. It has disappeared.”

            Oh my God, I think I need a long walk or a large glass of whisky now!

            • BuryTheNuts2

              See….SEE….It never ceases to amaze me.
              UNFUCKINGBELIEVEABLE.

              How on earth did it get this far?

            • Truthiwant

              It got this far because the disappearing techniques work wonders on your wallets and bank accounts.

            • 1subgenius

              “Good” people did nothing.

            • Observer

              Sorry, but hahahaha! That Ron, what a jeenyus!

            • FistOfXenu

              You mean geni-ass, don’t you? He was a magician at pulling all this stuff out of his ass.

            • Observer

              I stand corrected. Your spelling is much better!

            • EnthralledObserver

              snicker… gawf… chuckle!!! Really?… no, really? That is beyond logical…
              Reams and reams of paper and you’ll still see at least one of them… and now that one is going to be really fucking heavy!

            • Truthiwant

              It’s totally silly, I know, but in Scientology they try to convey ideas that will apply to situations that are mystical. Of course the paper example is ridiculous but it is a way of getting your mind to believe in some strange source of power out there. OT’s are told that they can attain these abilities.

            • EnthralledObserver

              So it’s ‘out of sight out of mind’? And once again I’m left standing and wondering… what, is that it? Is that all?
              If a tree falls in the woods and no-one is there to hear it, does it make a sound? To normal people this is a joke, to scienos they are expecting your mind to manufacture an answer in your desperate need to KNOW!

            • Truthiwant

              Does a Scientologist, I mean a bear shit in the woods?

            • FistOfXenu

              And if he does and nobody’s there to hear it, does he make a sound?
              When LRH did, he turned it into $cientology. That’s why they all have to master The Dreck to go up the Bridge to get to their piece of blue sky.
              When DM does, he turns it into another Golden Age of Dreck. It comes out of his semi colon. Lucky for $cientologists he’s constipated or they’d be paying more regularly.

            • ze moo

              When you have 8 inch claws, 6 inch fangs and weigh 600 pounds, you can shit anywhere you like.

            • Truthiwant

              You bet. I didn’t know that you knew my mother-in-law.

            • FistOfXenu

              Mother-in-law jokes! I can’t tell you how much I miss those. Used to be a big thing back in the day.

            • Truthiwant

              One of the good ones was

              “My mother-in-law?. No, she’s great. It’s her daughter I can’t stand!”

            • FistOfXenu

              Do all $cientologists look like that or just the OTVIIIs? Or do you have to do the Sooper Powerz gig?

            • BuryTheNuts2

              350K to be able to put a piece of copy paper on top of another one and convince me that makes me an Operating Thetan?

              For that….I would rather have the good parking spaces and be able to change stop lights at will.

              And I also better be the fuck able to postulate a new gullwing cherry red mercedes!

            • Truthiwant

              It’s the principle of auditing out an Engram. You get the PC to go back to that exact moment, 3 million, 264 hundred thousand, 8 hundred, and 65 years, 28 days, 14 hours 37 minutes and 26 seconds ago and make him duplicate the incident and “POOF” the Engram has disappeared.

            • Missionary Kid

              Along with a chunk of your money.

            • Truthiwant

              The money disappears before you have the honour of liberating your Engram.

            • Missionary Kid

              Truth.

            • FistOfXenu

              You don’t even want to advise me on my patio furniture in the dark?

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Nope…I live in Florida….I am sick of “Green” anyway.

            • monkeyknickers

              And oh how I laughed, girl! 🙂

              You funny. 🙂

            • Missionary Kid

              I’ll take an original 300SL gullwing. They’ve worth far more. We’re talking a million, folks.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Talk to : And I don’t rent cars.
              She has ya covered.

            • Missionary Kid

              Yup. I was gonna reference her avatar, but I got lazy. There’s one out there that was raced, then rebodied. The owner got it from a Merc executive’s estate, and noticed some odd things about it. When he did some research on the car, he discovered its racing heritage. That car’s value is far above all the others, I believe.

            • Robert Eckert

              So THAT’S why they need all that copy paper!

            • Phil McKraken

              Have you ever seen a dog go sit behind the drapes so that he is hidden just from the head up? That dog thinks he’s out of view. Study Scientology, and be a good dog!

            • FistOfXenu

              Dog? Hell, my kids all did it too.

            • ze moo

              Kids eventually learn and hide better. Scieno never learn, they aren’t allowed to. The ostrich with its head in the sand is the scientology logo…

            • Missionary Kid

              Reminds me of a guy, who wasn’t too bright, who came running into my apartment to hide from another buddy who was looking for him outside. He hid behind the curtain to the front window, which made him visible to anyone standing outside.

            • pronoia

              I get it now! Primitive magic tricks! That is the entirety of the tech! Dumbed down Crowley for the many.

            • Truthiwant

              There is a sort of analogy between magic tricks and Scientology.

              Magic tricks can be very expensive to buy and not all are for sale unless you are part of an elite group of magicians.

              One thing that is not an analogy is that the magician shows off his “abilities” but the Scientologist is not allowed to and even if he were allowed to, what could he show off?

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              It’s so obvious.

              It is Duplication.

              Not duplication.

              Get it?

            • Truthiwant

              It’s obvious that they were trying to explain the principle. The piece of paper would clearly have to enter in to the other piece of paper for one of them to dissapear.

              Actually why am I saying all this?

              That story was told to me by an Italian Scientologist but the story was repeated to me a few years later by one of the C/S’s in Saint Hill and ironically, rather than pieces of paper, she used the example of two ashtrays!!

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              And… if you can’t see something, it has disappeared! Every night the sun disappears! Hope the gods will make it reappear later! Better be good to the gods!

              Wonder if LRH studied up on this, or it was instinctive.

        • richelieu jr

          See above for Kima’s comments on Hubbard’s ability to disappear…

        • richelieu jr

          What amazes me is there were no cigarettes, cigarette packages or whiskey glasses involved in the duplication example…

          • FistOfXenu

            Hubbard didn’t want those to disappear. He screamed bloody murder when a Messenger didn’t have his Kools and lighter ready on demand. Probably had his whisky on tap.

        • BuryTheNuts2

          See this is where it started. Hubbard forgot to word clear Axiom!

          • Truthiwant

            Have you ever read Hubbard’s axioms and logics?

            If you want your brain to feel like it’s been squashed by a steam roller then try them out.

            Each one sort of follows the previous one and it gets nuttier and nuttier as you read on. In the end, I’m not kidding, you have difficulty in even remembering your own name!

            • BuryTheNuts2

              YES, I just read Scientology: The fundamentals of thought.

              I read it on the plane and when I got to his “axioms” I had to order a double bloody mary!!!

            • Truthiwant

              I do admit that they sound much more logical when one is totally sloshed.

            • FistOfXenu

              You must get a helluva lot more sloshed than even I can manage. I didn’t think that was possible.

            • Truthiwant

              OK, I amend my comment.

              “Sloshed and hit over the head with a sledgehammer.”

            • FistOfXenu

              Wow. Truth, you’re way more hard core than I am. When I get hammered it’s a metaphor. Hat’s off to you. 😀

            • FistOfXenu

              Why would you do that to yourself BTN? What if you ran amok and tried to crash the plane or something?

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Cuz I am batshit crazy and this stuff is endlessly fascinating.
              But wait…It gets worse.
              After I had a drink or two, I decided to take these “axioms” and try to use all the same words, but rearrange them until they made some kind of sense.
              I SWEAR.
              Mr. Nuts even helped.
              We were totally drunk by the time we got off the plane and I was still trying to turn # 4 into:
              Space is a dimension of viewpoint (or) Dimension is a viewpoint of space.

              Like I said, by then I was drunk AND trying to make sense of LRH.

            • DeElizabethan

              Good to see that you are having fun. Most important!! Luv it!

            • Truthiwant

              AGGHHHH. Did you have to post them?

              My brain has just moved down next to my back side.

              No problem though, it’s cork time. Vino bianco from Valdadige, Trento, North Italy!

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Of course I had to post them.

              Haven’t you heard that misery loves company?

            • Truthiwant

              Well I’ve got great company at the moment. I’m half way through it.

            • Kim O’Brien

              i am so glad i did not sit next to you on the plane …i would have thought i was sitting next to scilon and i would have smacked you 😉

            • BuryTheNuts2

              No you wouldn’t…..because I was embarrassed and hiding the book jacket…
              Why, you ask?
              Because I was terrified YOU would end up next to me on the plane.
              Or at least someone with enough sense to smack me.

            • SH chaos

              These axioms are on the stained glass windows in the Chapel at the Super Powers Building, according to the renderings/plans Tony leaked back at the Village Voice

            • DeElizabethan

              Oh, noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

          • Minion Gayle

            More like he forgot to word clear Ass, and with his picture right next to it in the dictionary and everything.

      • DeElizabethan

        Yes, the brain washing, mind control part the founder made in this insidious cult. Until one sees this, one is not completely out of the bubble. An awakening or enlightenment in progress for many.

    • Phil McKraken

      Is there any collective memory that this practice is off-policy? That can be fixed. After all, we are at war with Eurasia and Eastasia is our ally.

      • richelieu jr

        Orwell had Hubbard’s number, for sure…

  • Observer

    The theme of Dianetics could easily be clay demoed with a depiction of a man beating a pregnant woman who is trying to abort using knitting needles.

    • richelieu jr

      Great solution, absolutely impossible for the fascist mindset. Amazing!

    • FistOfXenu

      Absolutely agree. Absolutely hope you won’t shoop it. My blood pressure spiked just reading that.

      • Observer

        There is no chance of that shoop happening. Not by me, anyway.

        • junojones

          Damn, I was looking forward to the little paper flag sticking out of the man’s head that reads:”You’ve got to take it!”

        • FistOfXenu

          Sincere thanks. 🙂

    • Poison Ivy

      Well-said. As the OSA rep told Geir, “That will be the day.” For decades, Scientology got away with winning through bullying, but it’s a brave new world in them thar internets, and though they were handed the solution on a silver platter, they refused to change.
      Because of Hubbard, Scientology is frozen in time, playing the Russians vs Americans in a cold-war face off with the rest of the world. Even long after that strategy has proven disastrous time after time, they keep repeating it. I can see Davey in his Golden Tower, swearing and spitting – “We’re going to handle them! We know how to handle them! Our way always works!”
      Well, at least as far as the death of the cult goes, they’re hastening it themselves.

      • Missionary Kid

        Because of Hubbard not only $cientology is frozen in time, but its followers as well.

    • FLUNK_101

      “you have to do OT TR 0 (with eyes shut)”
      Aren’t the kids cute? They are innocent.

      • Observer

        They are both cute and innocent, and hopefully will be able to escape from the clutches of the clams.

        This is one of Scientology’s most heinous crimes: robbing children of their innocence and their childhoods.

      • monkeyknickers

        Is this a joke?

    • Jon Hendry

      “The theme of Dianetics could easily be clay demoed”

      by eating half a pound of clay and waiting a while.

      • Observer

        Hahaha!

      • FLUNK_101

        That’s quite an analysis!

  • Just heard the true EP of Scientology sung on the radio on our morning van ride to the middle of nowhere:

    “The secret of life is There Ain’t no secret.
    And You Don’t Get Your Money Back.”

    • FistOfXenu

      So Humbug really DID write commercially successful music?

      • Xenu, Lord of Kobol

        Nope … this is from a different Faith.

        • FistOfXenu

          Impossible! All other faiths are an implant. They don’t exist!

          • Xenu, Lord of Kobol

            Tell that to this guy … whose claims of being an Indian outlaw (half Cherokee and Choctaw) are far more believable than someone else’s claims of connectivity to native Americans ….

            • FistOfXenu

              Wouldn’t it be fun to put him in a room with Liar Ron Humbug? You know, just to have a quiet conversation about it.

            • Xenu, Lord of Kobol

              Don’t forget the webcam, pay-per-view and chat session for interested parties ….

            • FistOfXenu

              *2* cameras. At least.

    • Xenu, Lord of Kobol

      Couple of guys sittin’ around drinkin’
      Down at the Starlight Bar
      One of ’em says, “You know I’ve been thinking”
      Other one says, “That won’t get you too far”

      Too bad LRH didn’t meet the Other one …..

  • FistOfXenu

    Geir Isene continues to surprise and entertain me with how he gave such great advice to the cult and how they did such stupid things with it. If they’d done what he suggested $cientology would’ve found it a lot easier to handle the Internet. Instead they decided to stick to Hubbard’s “we’re always right, so we make all the rules” policy. Double stupidity for the win. They invalidated their attempt to whitewash their bad reputation by refusing to become less thuggish. And they invalidated Hubbardism by proving that they can’t learn from their mistakes.

    Thanks to Isene and Karen de la Carriere for another great video.

    • richelieu jr

      “Repeating the same action hoping for a different result” is simultaneously the definition of madness and the modus operandi of the Hubbardians…

      • EnthralledObserver

        Were they looking for a different result though? It seems they were actually looking for the same result… scienos seem to love their ‘do overs’ for some reason that escapes me. ???

        • richelieu jr

          Maybe they get used to it? Find it comforting after al their lame-brained drills?

          • EnthralledObserver

            It’s Hubsource moving the goal post on them… he did it regularly, and now Dinkydave has continued the tradition… and they seem not to notice. It MUST be because the repitition has them in a trance. It’s the only way my mind can explain these people behaving with such blindness and irrationality.

            • Poison Ivy

              I’m actually dealing with some non-Scientologists who are behaving w/blindness & irrationality; bullying because it’s worked in the past (but despite short term succeses, they’ve created more and more long term damage); even when their backs are up against the wall, and compromise would clearly be the right and smoother solution. It’s interesting watching it in Scientology because at least there is an “ideology” behind it. In real life, it is even more baffling.

          • FistOfXenu

            Their reactive minds stuck in a loop? There’s probably a $cientologese word for it.

            • Observer

              They’re all stuck in Ron’s electronic incident. Probably the one where he gave a computer a neurosis.

        • Poison Ivy

          Well, they’re looking for the results they used to get in the ’80’s and ’90’s pre-internet, and before the world got a peek at all their smelly dirty laundry.

    • MissCandle

      Hire an expert (OK, so he was a volunteer, but still he was an expert) and then don’t take his advice. ?????

      • Observer

        That’s the L. Ron Hubbard way!

        • FistOfXenu

          Took the words out of my mouth Obs. Every body knows the only real expert on any thing was LRH. He invented every thing. And now DM is the only real expert because he even knew how to replace LRH. Clever boy.

      • Lady Squash

        I doubt he was “hired”. He probably volunteered his time and expertise, because that’s what Scientologists do.

  • Sunny Sands

    I think I know why they recruit teens so heavily. IMO, most adults being tasked with modeling in play dough, then being judged pass/fail on it, and paying money for the privilege to do so, would be out the door pretty quickly.

  • AnonymousSP

    I like to think of clay demos whenever someone says it’s just like any other religion.

    • Phil McKraken

      I know. What is this, a religion or a crafts fair? Imagine the chaos if Hubbard had wanted his followers to model with Popsicle sticks and Elmer’s School Glue. Show me a religion that ritualizes underwater basket weaving, and I’m there! Same goes for balsa wood airplanes.

      But for me, it’s the security checks and ethics folders that really distinguishes Scientology from other religions.

      • Poison Ivy

        Agreed. I can’t remember which cult expert I read who explained the clay demoing as a typical exercise to call up memories of childhood and thus infantilize a person, common in many cults. Personally I just love sculpting with clay so who knows, that aspect of CO$ might’ve hooked me had I ever got in and got that far!

        • ze moo

          It also requires you to accept the control the person grading your demo exerts. Pass/fail and do it again until pass you, all at $100.00 per hour. After 4 or 5 hours, you do it their way, just to get out and stop spending money.

  • BuryTheNuts2

    I feel like a little kid wanting to tug on Dads sleeve saying: Are we there yet?
    Are the files there yet?

    I need more coffee and then I am going to try to clay demo the EP of “filegate”.

    • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

      We’ll be there when David Miscavige has fled to parts unknown and is never seen again or alternately is in the hoosegow devoting the rest of his life to body building. The real estate will be sold and the money split up in a class action suit. Tom Cruise will call a press conference and say that he was horribly wrong and that he regrets all that he has done to promote the cult. Mark, Marty and Tommy will hold press conferences and nobody will come. This blog will disappear and the other ones will become interesting curiosities that people show their kids. John will grand marshal a pride parade. Books will pour out of the previously intimidated. The jokes will trail off after a year or two as will the made for TV movies. The City of Los Angeles will change the name of L.Ron Hubbard Way to Lisa McPherson Blvd.

      • Sherbet

        One correction: Derek will grand marshal the pride parade! And his dad will watch and applaud!

        • BuryTheNuts2

          “And his dad will watch and applaud!”

          Or we will “metaphorically” beat the shit out of him!!!

          • Sherbet

            We’ll postulate it. Much less metaphorically violent.

      • Poison Ivy

        Where is JohnP, who is tracking Davey’s escape pod plans?

        • Observer

          I was just wondering about JP yesterday.

          • sugarplumfairy

            ditto that..

        • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

          Probably helping people some other way. When this is all over I dibs Sylvia Browne.

          • BuryTheNuts2

            Ewwww. She is all yours!

            • Missionary Kid

              Didn’t she accept James Randi’s million dollar challenge, then somehow get lost?

            • BuryTheNuts2
            • Captain Howdy

              Fecking Sylvia Brownemouth is more like it..The test I’d like to give her is if whether she floats or not.

            • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

              Laughed at that one.

            • Observer

              She’s every bit as nasty a piece of work as Elron.

            • stillgrace

              I’ll never forget what Anderson Cooper said on the air after reading Sylvia Browne’s own statement that she’s been more right than wrong in predicting whether a missing person is still alive. This was during the Amanda Berry recovery. He said: “What she should have said was ‘I have no shame whatsoever!’ “

            • Missionary Kid

              Amen, Anderson!

            • Missionary Kid

              She’s a bullshitter of the second magnitude. LRH had years to perfect his.

            • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

              Sadly, the bookstore around the corner carries her books. It doesn’t carry L.Ron’s. She pushes her Kool-Aid direct on daytime TV. Even my dental hygienist told me of her glories as my mouth was cleaned (and I couldn’t resist). She fleeces at the rate of $700 per half hour (I would have to double check that though). She may actually be doing more harm than L.Ron in total. Her form of mental illness is more in keeping with the overall view of mysticism in America and Canada and people are far more vulnerable to it than they are to L.Ron’s.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              According to Wiki she is up to $850.00 for a 20/30 minute phone call now.

            • Poison Ivy

              Just goes to show you – we all want the easy answers. Life lesson: there are no easy answers.

            • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

              As with L.Ron there is no end to the gullibility of people who are in need.

      • monkeyknickers

        YAY HOOSEGOW! Totally fave word. I have a crush on you now.

      • Tron Javolta

        I can see a blockbuster in the works after the dust settles. “BATTLEFIELD COB” perhaps?

        • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

          I never thought of that. But I can imagine all sorts of films being made once they are no longer a threat and once there presence in Hollywood is diminished.

    • FistOfXenu

      BTN you practicing for a part in a movie about the down fall of $cientology? “Clay demo the EP of filegate”? If you start laughing like TC I’m really gonna worry about you girl. Definitely more coffee and maybe a couple boiler makers and an old Marx Brothers movie or 2.

      • BuryTheNuts2

        How about “Airplane”?

        I could really stand to bake and watch that!

        • ze moo

          Scientology is far too much like “Young Frankenstein”. ‘It’s alive, it’s alive’………

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPmVhyHBRAM

          • Observer

            ..

            • monkeyknickers

              Wicked.

            • Captain Howdy

              Rawwwrrrrr!

            • monkeyknickers

              Seriously Obs, I looked at this again, and this is an especially awesome one. !

              Do you have a straight gig where you do this photoshop stuff?

            • Observer

              Nope. My straight gig is about as far from shooping as you can get. I do some photo restoration as a hobby though.

            • monkeyknickers

              Like old photos? Polaroids and stuff? Or tin types?

            • Observer

              All of the above, if they can be scanned. I can’t restore the actual originals.

            • Kitz

              Okay… If my laptop dies from the coffee I just spewed all over it, I’ma gonna make you buy me a new one. 😛

    • Still_On_Your_Side

      We understand you, the others will catch up

    • Xenu, Lord of Kobol

      I understand your edit. I was explaining over lunch that I wasn’t following the -other- Florida (I.e., Zimmerman) because I was already following two others (Garcias and Laura), which then needed spme description.

      The looks on their eyes …. you’d swear they’d been through TRs as they had the 1000 foot stare down cold.

    • Poison Ivy

      Here’s a little something that turned up on the other side of the interwebs to distract you, Bury. It’s from “Crazy Days And Nights” (I try and avoid gossip sites but they are so useful when you are SERIOUSLY procrastinating against a deadline and trying to find ANY excuse not to write….)

      Guesses, anyone?

      “Blind Item #1”
      “This A list mostly movie actor who is in danger of dropping to a B list unless his franchise success starts being duplicated spent an entire day at a Scientology facility. They are putting on the full show and doing everything they can to get him to commit because they know if he does and goes public with it, they will bring in thousands of young people.”

  • richelieu jr

    “That’ll Be the Day!”

    $cientology in a nutshell, right there.

  • Sherbet

    “Feats of clay” — oh, groan, Tony O…

    • richelieu jr

      Yeah, I saw what he did there….

      • Sherbet

        What’s the word for “pun” in French?

        • richelieu jr

          jeux de môts..

          • EnthralledObserver

            three for one… hmmm, bit flowery innit?

            • richelieu jr

              welcome to France, my dear…

          • Sherbet

            Ah. Wordplay.

            • richelieu jr

              Yes, though we don’t really have puns like you do (sometimes we do use to words who make the same sound, but– no offence– that stuff is more sophisticated in general..
              The rest of our jokes are really awful, stupid pipi caca stuff… My favourite joke ever is no good at all in French (some would say it is not good in English, either, but I beg to differ!)

            • Sherbet

              All I can think of is poison vs. poisson. Tres amusant, no? NO!

            • monkeyknickers

              I really think punning is mostly an English thing – only because it’s been mixed with many many MANY other languages and thus the vocab has expanded WAY beyond the romance and germanic languages that have contributed to it.

              And the French are SO SO good at other more interesting things . . . . :))

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Yeah! Cooking!

            • monkeyknickers

              Et cetera. 🙂

          • 0tessa

            just ‘mots’.

    • Captain Howdy

      Why does poor Joe have a cable attached to his head?

      • Sherbet

        That’s the leash from Joe’s brain to scientology.

        • Captain Howdy

          Yeah, that’s the ticket! Kinda like the one the cenobite doctor had attached to his head in Hellraiser 2.

          • Sherbet

            Um. Yeah. Sure.

          • BuryTheNuts2

            I thought of this…

            • Observer

              That would explain this

            • Sherbet

              You realize, Observer, that when DM takes over the world, you’re going to be the first to go, due to your joking and degrading shoops. But don’t let that worry you. Carry on, Observer, carry on.

            • Observer

              If The Littlest Dictator were to take over the world, I’d WANT to be the first to go.

            • Poison Ivy

              Nah. He’ll probably throw you in the hole, then drag you out and make you his personal private Shooper.

            • Sherbet

              Ditto that. How are you with crowd scenes, Observer?

            • Observer

              Better than who ever they’ve got doing them now! Ha!

            • BuryTheNuts2

              ZING!!!!

            • Observer

              He could *try*.

            • Poison Ivy

              One of your best, Observer!

            • Sherbet

              Ew, has that guy been at the oiliness table, or what?

            • BuryTheNuts2

              If he has…I wanna talk to him!
              I want the deets!!!!

            • sugarplumfairy

              Eww.. Vestigial tail at base of skull? Is that one of the new super powers dm is working on?

            • Observer

              Have none of you people seen The Matrix? That’s Neo escaping from his pod, and he’s still wired up.

            • Sherbet

              I may be in the minority here, but I hated The Matrix. Way too pretentious and confusing, and Reeves is snooze-inducing.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Me too. But I watched the first one because of Carrie Anne Moss.
              Keanu Reeves irritates me.
              He should have never been able to make another movie after Ted and Bill.

            • Minion Gayle

              He totally ruined “The Devil’s Advocate,” which sucked because Pacino was awesome.

            • Sherbet

              I didn’t see that. I’m not a fan of Pacino usually, because he’s so darn intense, he peels the wallpaper off every scene.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              I agree. Pacino is too much for me…usually.
              He ‘overtakes’ the story.

            • Poison Ivy

              Well, Pacino chewed some furniture in that one too…

            • Minion Gayle

              LOL! Yes, he did, but all I could focus on was the vortex of suck that was Keanu.

            • monkeyknickers

              jesus could I not agree with you more. Pacino! and . . . . . . uh, Reeves? Seriously? that dracula movie didn’t firmly illustrate that he sucks? He seems like a great guy, but . . . wow does some director have rose colored glasses on . . . .

            • Captain Howdy

              He pretty much ruined “Dracula”. What was Coppola thinking?

            • Spackle Motion

              Dracula with Reeves was a comedy. What a horrible movie that was.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              I think Coppola was spending too much time tasting his vineyard output during that period!

            • Captain Howdy

              Either that or snorting coke at the porn conventions he use to attend regularly.

            • Poison Ivy

              The first one was cool and really made you think. The following ones got pretentious and their “deepness” was birdbath level.
              And Keanu Reeves as the savior of Mankind? I had a tough time with that one from the start.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Just imagine if the first Matrix had an actor in it!
              It would have been great.

            • FistOfXenu

              No point having actors if you don’t have real characters for them to play. I thought Fishburn is better than the “character” they gave him. But that French guy wasn’t bad even if he was a charicature.

            • Observer

              “Whoa!”

            • Captain Howdy

              “Dude!”

            • Observer

              I’ve gotta say Keanu was perfect in the Bill & Ted movies.

            • FistOfXenu

              She was pretty good actually. Reeves always looks like he’s lost some thing. The plot, usually. I guess that’s what they hire him for. But I once saw him in a movie about a surfing FBI agent if you can believe that. I saw the last half of it on TV. Not too bad but then he had Patrick Swayze to prop him up.

            • Robert Long

              A surfing FBI agent? Now I have heard everything. Next you’ll tell me they were skydiving and robbing banks in POTUS Halloween masks, and then “whoa” fires his pistol into the air cause he can’t kill Roadhouse cuz they’re buds?

            • Kim O’Brien

              they are actually doing a remake of that movie i think ….it was called Pointe Break . Swayze with long blond hair …man he was a cutie .

            • monkeyknickers

              This was my older cousin’s favorite movie and we had to watch it weekly (on VHS – we were about 15 years behind the rest of humanity technologically). I was pretty young and the Reagan masked person really scared me. Thus, a Democrat was born. 🙂

            • FistOfXenu

              That’s the 1 I mean. You saw it? So it wasn’t some kind of crazy in my head 1 night when I took too many pain killers? You could be the only other person I know that saw it. But isn’t Roadhouse a different movie?

            • Captain Howdy

              It’s ‘Point Break” directed by Kathryn Bigelow who also directed the awesome “Near Dark” and the overrated IMO ‘The Hurt Locker” and the fairly decent “Zero Dark Thirty”.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Ah, I haven’t seen Zero Dark Thirty because I also was kind of disappointed in The Hurt Locker.

              Should I suck it up?

            • MissCandle

              Zero Dark Thirty is much better than Locker. and way better than argo. Not one of the best movies in the universe however.

            • FistOfXenu

              Thanks Captain. I thought they were. I’ve actually seen Roadhouse from the beginning and there wasn’t any surfing in it. And NO Keanu “Whoa!” Reeves.

            • Observer

              I never saw it but remember thinking it was a really odd premise when it came out.

            • FistOfXenu

              I still have to see the 1st 1/2. 🙂 But at least I got to hear Reeves give that memorable line from near the end “You crossed the line Bodhi. People trusted you and they died. You gotta’ go down.”

              He really said that too.

            • MissCandle

              He also should never have been permitted to get close to Diane Keaton.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              THANK YOU!

            • Captain Howdy

              I thought The Matrix was kind of a rip-off of Dark City, and Dark City had Jennifer Connelly with no Keanu, so it was no contest for me.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Jennifer Connelly=Eyebrows.

              Howdy…you are getting too predictable….

            • Captain Howdy

              Yes, too predictably perfect in my tastes.

            • Espiando

              I do own a copy of The Matrix. However, there’s a good reason for that. The Matrix was the Killer App for the DVD player. It was the movie you pulled out to show your friends how superior DVD was to VHS tapes. So when I got my first DVD player around the turn of the millenium, in the shopping cart with it was a copy of The Matrix.

            • sugarplumfairy

              Thanks.. I was very worried that the scenery and personality of Clearwater was about to change drastically..

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Personality? Clearwater?
              Um, No.

              Clearwater Beach, GAME ON….

            • sugarplumfairy

              Yah.. As soon as I posted that I thought.. New personality for Clearwater? Not a bad idea..

            • Captain Howdy

              Pod people in giant tacos? Or are those…clam shells?

              What movie is it?

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Matrix (tis Neo)

            • Captain Howdy

              Really? I must have nodded out during that part.

        • Sherbet

          Remember, Katie Holmes had one that led from her head to Jessica Davis. She had it removed last year, and it didn’t even leave a scar.

          • BuryTheNuts2

            My gosh, do you remember how embarrassing that whole thing was to watch.
            Katie looking glassy eyed and stupid and Jessica answering her interview questions.
            It was surreal…

            • Sherbet

              Yes! It was almost funny. Almost.

            • Poison Ivy

              It was scary, because it actually showed how effective the Scientology brainwashing/lovebombing can be in an insanely short time (especially when there’s a mega movie star involved.) I wonder how Katie feels about it now – she literally lost her soul for a while there, and it was terrifyingly clear just looking at her.

            • Captain Howdy

              I think the purification rundown had a lot to do with how she looked physically.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Yes, I remember just being appalled every time Jessica would open her mouth.
              And poor Katie was beyond vacant.
              I remember being angry every time I saw them on TV or in a magazine.
              You just wanted to shake Katie.

            • Observer

              Fortunately no shaking was needed. And she paid Scientology back for what they did to her in spades.

            • Still_On_Your_Side

              That is the power of true maternal instinct. I have such a problem with the way the cult destroys that instinct. Somehow, however (and more power to her), Katie H kept hers, and removed her child from a potentially dangerous situation.

            • MissCandle

              That is exactly what coonellie wrote about herself in response to yesterday’s Bunker-Blog. That is, the need to protect her child gave her the power to leave her “situation.”

            • MissCandle

              My sister, who is not a S-Lying-Tology watcher, noticed how much Katie changed after her marriage to TC. Especially the vacant eyes, loss of her normally vivacious smile, and dark circles under her eyes. That is when I explained my obsession with S-Lying-Tology to her.

      • BuryTheNuts2

        Ectoplasm?

        • Captain Howdy

          That’s a possibility also.

      • Robert Eckert

        I don’t know about the cable. All I know is that Joe is having a ball.

        • Sherbet

          And another pun rears its head!

          • FistOfXenu

            Speaking of rearing its head – oh hang on, I already posted that once today.

            • Sherbet

              You sure did, with an illustration and all. Now make a clay demo.

            • FistOfXenu

              Arthritis in my fingers. But if I did do it in clay it might look like this. I call it “Davey rears his head”

            • Sherbet

              Reminds me. Poor Mr. Sherbet is having a colonoscopy tomorrow.

            • FistOfXenu

              Ouch! That’s my semi colon extending its sympathy to his.

            • MissCandle

              Now you have redo all your Golden preps.

            • FistOfXenu

              I have a clone to do that for me. Yup, I’m that far up the bridge.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Blech. My Doctor is trying to make me have one too….cuz I am old now and I am supposed to…
              I don’t want to drink that nasty “stuff”…but I am kinda looking forward to the drugs…

            • Sherbet

              Do it. It’s no big deal. And the “twilight sleep” IS kind of neat.

            • Observer

              I felt only very slight discomfort.

            • Sherbet

              I felt absolutely nothing with mine. Needle in, Sherbet out.

            • Observer

              They gave me a Valium and that was it. The only other time I’ve had Valium was when I had a benign breast tumor removed under local anesthetic. As far as I could tell it had no effect on me either time.

              P.S. The colonoscopy was by far the more pleasant of the two.

            • Sherbet

              We’re going to have to pipe Valium into the Bunker if we don’t get word on Karen’s documents soon.

            • MissCandle

              I just hope that I did not say out loud all the crazy things I was dreaming about. — at least I hope it was a dream.

            • Sherbet

              I think the same things, MissCandle.

            • Poison Ivy

              Ewww.

            • Captain Howdy

              The first one I had, the morphine and valium didn’t even begin to cover the pain, and they had given me the max amount. They had to stop cuz I was howling in pain.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              gulp!

            • sugarplumfairy

              Don’t listen to him.. The prep is worse than the test.. I swear.. You go to sleep and you wake up a few seconds later ( it seems) and you feel goooood.. I’ve talked to thousands of patients.. They only ever complain about the night BEFORE the colonoscopy..

            • Sherbet

              Exactly. And a nurse should know!

            • FistOfXenu

              That part’s true mostly. Diarrhea like you’ve turned into a jet engine. But once you’re cleared out it’s not bad at all.

            • Sherbet

              Jeez, it’s LUNCH TIME here on the East Coast. Blech.

            • FistOfXenu

              My lunch is fine thanks. Fresh caught trout. How’s yours?

            • Sherbet

              Urp.

            • Captain Howdy

              HaH!

            • BuryTheNuts2

              TMI TMI

              Edit: How did we get from Scientologists with their heads up their asses to THIS!!!

              This is more SHIT than even I can handle!
              🙂

            • FistOfXenu

              ??

            • Sherbet

              For everyone’s reading enjoyment, as we waste time pacing here in the Bunker:

              http://www.miamiherald.com/2009/02/11/427603/dave-barry-a-journey-into-my-colon.html

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Too Much Information

            • FistOfXenu

              Right. Sorry. I’m really stepping in it today. But some body has to tell you. Preparation has to be thorough or they can’t see. So they don’t take chances. Go with it if you see what I mean.

            • monkeyknickers

              I’ve helped a friend thru two now (her mama died of colon cancer so they make you start at 30) and it is just a miserable experience. A fucking GALLON of laxative. Phew did I feel for her. And my mom and my dad too. It’s NOT a fun experience.

            • FistOfXenu

              I know. My 1st time I didn’t know about the prep. That’s why I explained it to BTN even though I don’t think she enjoyed it much. If you’re expecting it you can be ready and you can deal with it. But once you do the purge the scoping isn’t usually too bad. And it sure beats colon cancer.

            • monkeyknickers

              It’s just a wretched experience. 🙁 Made more so by the fact that it’s dealing with an orifice we’re s’posed to think is icky.

              And BTN was just playin’, sailor. 🙂 That girl know her . . . . um . . . . shit. :))

            • Captain Howdy

              NO BTN NO! Don’t listen to her shore story. She’s one of THEM!

            • sugarplumfairy

              PLUS!! Bury could probably lose 5 or 6 lbs in less than 24 hours.. a nice little silver lining in the colonoscopy cloud..

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Huh?
              See ya….gotta make a Dr. Appt……………..

              Edit: Wait…How many days can I play hookey from the gym afterward?

            • Sandy

              So true. But, the 2nd time I had to go thru the prep, I mixed the “go-juice” with vodka. Helped a LOT!!!

            • BuryTheNuts2

              I had a friend who used Gin. He swore by that approach.

            • Sherbet

              Howdy, will you behave yourself?? Thank God you can’t scare MonkeyKnickers with your tales of childbirth.

            • Captain Howdy

              I’m not joking!

            • monkeyknickers

              Want me to come pick you up? I’ll make you broth!!

            • DeElizabethan

              Do it as Sherbet say’s, no big deal and an easy drink. Sittin’ on the toilet a lot is the worst part. Prepare for a sore butt. After that it’s a piece of cake.

            • Poison Ivy

              Oh dear. Be good to him.

            • Captain Howdy

              Hah! First one? I’ve had three…eeee-yow!

            • BuryTheNuts2

              This is not making me feel warm and fuzzy!!!

            • FistOfXenu

              Sorry BTN. There’s not a lot about it that could be called warm and fuzzy. As long as you get some body that knows how to operate the roto rooter (sorry, that’s how I think of it) the drugs will cover it. I only had 1 where the guy was a trainee and really didn’t seem to remember he wasn’t clearing a drain.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Maybe I will just get a face lift and try to convince my Doctor that I wrote the wrong date of birth on my medical records.
              That sounds more pleasant all the way around.

            • Sherbet

              If the doctor is clumsy, you get a face lift at the same time as the colonoscopy. “Woops! I think I went in too far…”

              It really isn’t bad, after that lovely needle goes into the back of the hand…

            • FistOfXenu

              But if you suddenly here the doctor saying “you’ve got to take it!” don’t panic, it’s probably all the crap you read here feeding a morphine dream.

            • Sherbet

              Hahaha! Ding ding ding!

            • BuryTheNuts2

              But if afterward, I can write a whole lot of words and start a religion that makes money…more and more money…

              Hey, It could happen! Look at my post count.
              I am like LRH light!

            • FistOfXenu

              I don’t think they give you nitrous usually. But you could ask. 😛

            • Xenu, Lord of Kobol

              hyperventilating while on nitrous …. something to be experienced ….

            • Xenu, Lord of Kobol

              I know evil, stupidity and hubris … you fit none of the categories at which he excelled.

            • MissCandle

              Do not wear pantyhose during a colonoscopy or you’ll break your toes — and maybe even the rest of your feet.

            • FistOfXenu

              I’m not even gonna ask.

            • Captain Howdy

              Because when they start feeding that snake, the pain will cause your toes to curl, and if you’re wearing pantyhose, it could cause your toes to snap.

            • Captain Howdy

              The first one I got a Mass General they gave me the max amount of morphine and valium and they still had to stop because it was so painful. The other 2 weren’t quite so bad.

            • Sherbet

              I know you — you probably were just having a splinter removed from your thumb, and you begged for the heavy stuff.

            • Sherbet

              No, he’s had a few because there have been problems. Poor ol’ guy.

            • sugarplumfairy

              I have an orthopedic surgeon reading over my shoulder.. He says he can help you with that.. You may be laid up for a few weeks after, but he’ll give you a good deal..

            • FistOfXenu

              Tell him his client will be a certain very rich very paranoid cult leader who’ll probably promise him a lot of money, then dead-beat him on payment, then maybe have him followed by private eyes for a decade or 2.

              PS – sorry about the NSFW photo.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              That thing is totally grossing me out.
              (I guess its good payback for Feshbach’s)

            • Sherbet

              You mean…THIS PICTURE??? (Nah, just joking. It’s not there.)

            • stillgrace

              TWICE. (not that I counted or anything)

            • BuryTheNuts2

              I was trying to sneak up on PTBA and it didn’t work.
              She was quite resolute in refusing to refresh her screen!

            • sugarplumfairy

              He says never mind..

            • FistOfXenu

              Yup. Davey gets that a lot.

            • monkeyknickers

              HAHAHA

            • Xenu, Lord of Kobol

              Or try to pay you off in 2nd hand {cigar} blunts he gets from his sister ….

            • DeElizabethan

              It took me a minute, but can’t stop laughing!

        • Robert Eckert

          Maybe the cable is because they’re stringing him along?

    • FistOfXenu

      Good isn’t it? Today must be Punday.

      • Sherbet

        Bob Eckert just got into the game. See below.

      • Truthiwant

        There’s also a great, I think unintentional, pun in Geir’s video. You can see it at about 3,50 in the film.

        They’re talking about the Wikipedia board and at a certain moment Geir says

        “…that this board is able to audit you every year to see that you abide by the policies…”

        What a gem!

      • Poison Ivy

        His best remains “Love in the Time of Miscavige” – it’s a classic.

        • Sherbet

          I agree.

    • monkeyknickers

      I loved it! :)) It’s a one in a million pun opportunity!

  • richelieu jr

    Geir has a very nteresting post I was reading the other day th

  • BuryTheNuts2

    Completely off topic, but a quick blurb about Neil Gaiman…(actually the title says it all)

    http://news.wypr.org/post/book-news-neil-gaiman-revives-sandman-comic-strip

    • richelieu jr

      Very cool, if true!

  • Bella Legosi

    I am anxiously awaiting news about Laura’s folders!

    *fingers crossed*

    Good luck Laura and team!

  • aquaclara

    Claire and Geir, these are excellent revelations from “Life in the Cult”. Thank you for helping us learn, chuckle and in turn, wonder how anyone managed to make it through a day in the cult.
    Spying, staring and clay models of Hubbardian concepts are not typically found in communications programs or religions, despite LRH’s claim that the cult is good at both. And to involve kids is criminal.
    I, too, wonder if you (or any exes) can let your kids play with something as innocent as Play-doh without having nightmarish flashbacks…
    Thank you both.

    • Poison Ivy

      I can see how people believe (in the early stages) that Scientology makes them better at communication, especially if they were unsure of themselves or shy before. But as the lessons go on, it’s clear that Scientology’s definition of communication does not mean an interchange of ideas; it means, in essence, “handling.” That whole “ARC” thing is a smokescreen – Scientology’s goal is to isolate each individual so much that his/her only connection is with the group & its ideology. Not with another human being.
      I marvel that marriages like the Headley’s and the Hill’s survived. It seems everything Scientology does is designed to gradually isolate people from even those “closest” to them so they are dependent on nothing but the group.

      • DeElizabethan

        About communication, yes has good parts (?) but, learning and drilled into one that you Must be acknowledged or acknowledge each and Every time, tends one to evaluate for those that don’t. They are not good people an in a nutshell and are beneath you. Your free will is captivated in those drills and tend you to become isolated from the real world and good people.
        I like your “ARC is a smokescreen”. So true.

  • sugarplumfairy

    Wow.. Isene being tasked by OSA to infiltrate Andreas by posing as a woman mistreated by Jehovah’s Witness.. trying to “expose” his weaknesses and crimes.. exchanging a few emails and then Andreas falling off the radar.. Andreas was just too smart for them, thank goodness..

    I wonder who, at this very moment, OSA is trying to infiltrate and “expose..” (more likely set up..)

    • BuryTheNuts2

      We could ask Yulia?

      Oh yeah…..nevermind.

      • monkeyknickers

        shit I forgot about her. !

    • Captain Howdy

      I wonder why he didn’t pretend to be a woman who was mistreated by scientology? Is it out ethics to even pretend that scientology is bad?

      • BuryTheNuts2

        Good question….Geir???

        • Captain Howdy

          I know Muslims have this dispensation thing called “Taqiyya” where they are allowed to break every rule in the Koran when dealing with infidels, while engaged in jihad.

          When someone we suspected of being a secret scilon would show up on YT, we would ask them to say something bad about LRH or D.M as a test. Not sure if this is a legitimate test though.

          • FistOfXenu

            Maybe J&D would be more effective? Actually laughing at the old lunatic must be worse for them.

        • I knew OSA had tried that a few times and thought it would be easier to get in on him through a less obvious OSA angle. It worked for a few exchanges 🙂

          • BuryTheNuts2

            So all bets are off when OSA is trying to get info or DA someone?

            After all tricking, and lying to, destroying……all LRH Policy.

          • Captain Howdy

            Are online OSA agents allowed to say disparaging things about LRH/scientology as part of their cover?

            • Yes, but they have to be intelligent about it to not get into trouble. It’s a fine line to balance on.

            • Poison Ivy

              Good question.

          • Poison Ivy

            Geir, that would make a good blog post – especially if you can get Andreas to tell his side of the story as well! “Anatomy of an OSA Op”!

            • I’ll ask him about that OP from his perspective next time I meet him.

    • Spackle Motion

      I’ve seen many of these pathetic, strangely trumped up “stories” by so-called victims on the various boards for several years now. Not one has ever passed the sniff test, which is the only valid test.

      One day, when the cult finally crumbles, I’d love to hear of the strange things Tony has heard over the years as he’s definitely a target of many “Handling” attempts.

    • Poison Ivy

      I’d love to hear Andreas’ side of that story – he must still have the communications archived somewhere!

  • BosonStark

    Geir, I would be interested to know if “infiltrating” Andreas involved reading the content of his website first? Or, was that considered something you felt was unnecessary or that they told you in some way you shouldn’t do?

    • sugarplumfairy

      Yah.. Reeeeally good question..

    • I read his site. And many other site. I was only brought on board as an OSA helper after I completed OT 4. I was told to be careful of any exposure to NOTs materials (OT 5-7). I also avoided looking at the Ls material as I hadn’t done those either. In may 1997 I did OT 5 and was “cleared” to also see the OT 5-7 materials (but still avoided the Ls even though I was not told to be careful about those). Being an OSA helper and researcher and later a strategic advisor made it possible for me to read anything from xenu.net to ARS without getting into ethics trouble 😉

      • BuryTheNuts2

        Yet another reason I could never be a Scientologist. I would have goofed the floof so fast trying to look at exactly what they didn’t want me to see.
        I would have seriously flunked Scientology.

      • sugarplumfairy

        Soo.. They were more worried about you reading OT material you hadn’t paid for yet than they were about your reading criticism and exposes of church wrongdoing.. That surprises me.. And then again, it doesn’t..

      • Ms. B. Haven

        Geir, I am curious about being allowed to look at these sites and not get in ethics trouble. I understand why the ‘church’ would not want members to view these ‘entheta’ sites. Having been ‘in’, I find it difficult to understand how someone can view these sites and not at least be a little curious about the accuracy of at least some of the material. Does OSA or any other entity in scientology screen people, or train them in some way to become at least somewhat resilient to reading the ‘entheta’ contained on the vast number of critical sites? Or, are these people ‘handled’ with regular sec checks to see if they are toeing the line and still being good scientologists who are blow resistant?

        • Poison Ivy

          Good questions Mrs. B.

        • They didn’t train me much – half a day in Copenhagen reading some policies. They trusted me. And why shouldn’t they? 😉

          And I was never in sec checks on any of the stuff as it never read on an e-meter. I remember being somewhat interested in the Freezone at one time as I was told to download their whole site onto a CD (96/97). But I kept my cool about it and it never came up in session.

          • Missionary Kid

            You are one cool cat. I’m glad to read your posts here.

        • DeElizabethan

          Just a note abut that. When your head is in the bubble you just don’t pay attention to adverse or entheta as they call it. You are looking from a scientologist point of view and as long as you see it that way you may not be affected. Does that help? Crazy huh?

      • BosonStark

        Thanks for your reply. What did you make of his articles, like Ron the War Hero? Did you think think it was made-up lies, and only the “Church” told the truth about Ron? Or did you think the truth didn’t matter, and it was only what is “true for you” that matters?

        As an outsider knowing little about Scientology before seeing the Tom Cruise video, when I read the Paulette Cooper story, and also the Behar TIME magazine article, I found them both credible and shocking. I think they were both on Andreas’s site at the time, and what did you make of those stories? Did you think Paulette Cooper was evil, misguided, crazy, a liar or what?

        In your guise as a Jehovah’s witness victim, how would this have led to “infiltrating” Andreas? I get that that was Plan A but what was supposed to be the next step?

        I understand that like Tory, you didn’t know the policies behind operations to ruin critics, by doing things like making up crimes about them, if you can’t find any dirt. However, if Scientology supposedly involves seeing for oneself and evaluating data, why do so many clams just believe whatever they are told about a critic?

        I guess one of the things you probably saw with Andreas was that he was releasing all this confidential and important information about Xenu and the like, and you regarded that as completely malicious or criminal, and that people might die of pneumonia if they read OTIII before they are ready?

        • Kim O’Brien

          great questions

          • Kim O’Brien

            or one that answers anything

        • Lots of questions. Cool.

          I didn’t think much about the Ron series. Or the stories of Paulette Cooper. I was more focused in trying to get in on Andreas. Get his advices on how to “handle my steps out of the Jehovas Witness” and “my family in that cult”, etc. To try to figure out his modus operandi.

          I was told he must have had hidden crimes (per LRH), but I actually doubted that as we had a common friend in IT that said he was one of the nicest people he had met.

          As for the OT 3 material. I was unsure whether it could be harmful or not. I knew it would be “harmful# to anyone that was actually going up the Bridge, though as it would cost them plenty in repair actions 🙂

      • Truthiwant

        It’s funny how one’s enemies eventually become one’s saviours.

        • 1subgenius

          I don’t know who said it first, but I like the saying:

          “My enemy is my benefactor.”

        • Poison Ivy

          Ain’t it though.

  • Xique

    OT TR0. The name alone baffled me , but attempting to do it with another poor soul across from me, was entirely another thing. It was Difficult, emotional, confusing , but I eventually survived it. Bummer was, I then was launched right into TR0, which was not much better. I was young and unsure of myself, so wow , it was a trip! Put it this way , there were tears shed along the way.
    Later on when I was on staff, it was always expected of you to have your” TRs in”. Okydoky, whatever! Hated it!

  • stillgrace

    When I hit the play button on the Geir Isene video, I got scientology’s “Think for Yourself” Ad (and an invitation to take a free personality test) at the bottom of the video screen. ???? Anyone else see this?

    • BuryTheNuts2

      Whoa! not me.

      They must still be really pissed at you because of that personality test you took and then you wouldn’t give them your money….

      • stillgrace

        Ha! They found me!

    • Poison Ivy

      No!

      • stillgrace

        Yes. I refreshed the site, reran the video, and I got it again. I was ready this time!

        • sugarplumfairy

          Wow..

        • FistOfXenu

          What
          The
          Fuck

          How much did the cult have to pay to get that?

          • stillgrace

            I don’t know if they are now targeting the Bunker, but whatever they are paying, it’s a waste of advertising dollars. It’s really funny, really. {Someone that reads the Bunker is going to be convinced that by linking to scio’s site, they’ll get the “facts”?} puhleeze.

            • 1subgenius

              No one anywhere falls for that crap anymore.
              Its all money down the shitter.

        • Espiando

          I’d say that we’re already getting the facts from the video, and that the ad is redundant.

    • Captain Howdy

      Do you use Ad Block? YouTube/Google has been letting CofS run ads on anti-sn vids for years now.

      • stillgrace

        I’m not Ad-Blocking on purpose; I just close ads when they pop up at the bottom of the screen. They don’t usually bother me, however, this was the first time I got a scientology ad while viewing a video in the Bunker.

        • Captain Howdy

          You saw the ad here? Before the ads would only appear on the YT page, but not in the vid itself. YouTube has gone completely corporate fascist with their “monetization” blitzkrieg

          You should install Ad-Block Plus. It’s wonderful.

          http://adblockplus.org/en/firefox

          • stillgrace

            Yes, I saw the ad in the Bunker. Thanks for the tip on Ad-Block Plus.

            • MissCandle

              Cap’n and stillgrace: Me too.

          • FistOfXenu

            I love ad-block. I HATE the idea that the cult is advertising across anti $cientology vids and it looks like Google is helping them.

            • Espiando

              I’m using both AdBlock and AdBlock Plus on Chrome, and it’s the best solution around for a speedier and cleaner Net experience. AdBlock Plus on Firefox is the first extension that most people install. They’re brilliant.

              Of course, the last time I recommended a piece of perfectly safe, useful software here, someone went after me and implied that I was either OSA or that I was pulling an Anon trick to infect machines, so take my recommendation for what you will.

            • Phil McKraken

              Not consciously helping them. Those ads are targeted by algorithm. It’s not surprising at all that a vid with Scientology-related content would get matched to a Scientology ad. I think that OSA is probably less enamored with this outcome than you’d suspect.

    • Truthiwant

      Don’t worry.

      I can give you the results of your personality test without you ever having to do it.

      You need to start IMMEDIATELY on a course. There are many problems to be resolved. Please come with me to the Reg. office and afterwards I would also like to introduce you to the IAS officer.

  • aquaclara

    “Most satisfying resolution to a hostage situation since Dog Day Afternoon. July 20, 2012.” This, with pic of Katie is on the All-Time Greatest Bullseye in this week’s All Time Greatest issue of Entertainment Weekly.

    I can’t find a link, but Davey, do pick up a copy. It’s on the last page. Thank heavens you have the Bunker to keep you informed on what’s happening in your cult. I know – it’s been a busy week.

  • BosonStark

    The whole thing with Geir’s story or with Tory’s story for that matter is, if Scientology tasks these public Scientologists as OSA volunteers with doing things like this, what do they have more hard core members doing, or even outside contractors they hire?

    I think there must have been a point where Scientology realized some of the backfire potential on this, and would need to stop tasking public members with these things.

    • sugarplumfairy

      You’re assuming co$ is a normal, intelligent, sane organization.. Co$ is psychotic.. It makes a difference..

      • BosonStark

        Well, I suspect at least one person on the VaLLarrr sock, tasked with “handling” the comments on the Tom Cruise video, was paid. When VaLLarrr kept insisting he didn’t like any of Hubbard’s fiction, that would just have been going too far for a standard OSA handling method.

        • Captain Howdy

          When we would ask vaLLarrr about OT 3 and xenu, s/he would respond “I never cared much for Hubbard’s fiction”. that was hir way of deflecting the question. I’m guessing val hadn’t made it to OT3. When dealing with val and other scilon operatives it’s not so much what they say as what they leave out.

          • Espiando

            I’ve heard that was a pretty common solution IRL as well, when Anons confronted Scis about Xenu. We really couldn’t try it in Chicago, because they quickly made Dominic our only terminal, and he’s well above OTIII. Dave and Synthia would know where he was at on the Bridge better than I would; I asked him straight out once, and he wouldn’t tell me.

          • BosonStark

            I also mean in reference to Battlefield Earth or Hubbard’s pulp though.

      • FistOfXenu

        Made in the image of its creator.

    • DeElizabethan

      They will never stop doing what they do because it is policy. They may call it something else but always lie and deny. Until enough members see or read the vicious ways of their cult, they will continue to help them however they can when asked. That’s why the cult is so afraid of the internet.

  • Kim O’Brien

    OK ..staring at each other for hours…making clay ” paragraphs” …and actually paying $$ to do it because it helps you communicate better ? Huh …for some reason , that just sounds like a scam . But i guess me being a wog and all …just can’t really grasp how brilliant that is and thus will have to wonder this Earth …clayless . Oh , heavy sigh

    • Captain Howdy

      You use to pay for Play-Doh, didn’t ya?

      • Espiando

        My parents wouldn’t allow me to have Play-Doh because of the mess. I believe this is why I have zero artistic talent to this day.

        • Captain Howdy

          You have artistic talent. My heightened Chickasaw senses can sense it through the tubes,E.

          • BuryTheNuts2

            Yeah, and where was E yesterday when we were talking about Martin Gardner?
            Another UofC alumni and a resume that is right up E’s alley!

            • Espiando

              Mostly occupado with certain family issues, regrettably.

            • FistOfXenu

              Good stuff E. Family counts more than $cientology. Even counts more than our Tony O Cult.

              Hey, did I just make us into an Irish man?

        • aquaclara

          ah, my mother is an artist. We had real clay. She threw a big plastic tablecloth on the kitchen table, and brought out clay, tools, everything. It didn’t taste good, so I actually made things. Paint and pen and ink days were also fun. I could do a nice pointalism piece before I mastered cursive.

      • Kim O’Brien

        my mom was a hippie …we actually made our own play doh in between the tye dye shirts and macrame plant holders

        • Sherbet

          I made Play Doh when my son was little! Corn starch, flour, oil, food coloring. I think that was it, right Kim?

          • Kim O’Brien

            salt too i think …thats why the kids ate it

            • Sherbet

              Yes, salt. I can almost smell it now!

            • BuryTheNuts2

              That is why I ate it.

            • FistOfXenu

              Wait, you make Play-doh for kids to play with out of food? No wonder they eat the stuff! Forget the “play” part, just call it “Doh!”

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Yeah, It was basically pizza dough with extra salt.

            • FistOfXenu

              And colors too. What’s not to like?

            • Captain Howdy

              I was spoiled, I only ate commercial grade Play-doh

            • Kim O’Brien

              elitist 😉

    • Bob

      Part of the scam is how much needless time is taken up learning really simple concepts with repetitive drills. Not to say people always understand and learn how to do things flawlessly but the past courses seem to encourage long drawn out time tables of study. The new pro-TRs is suppose to be super quick. Sounds fishy to me. What is Mousecaviage up to?

      • FistOfXenu

        Good question Bob. Stripping away the stuff he doesn’t understand or couldn’t do himself maybe? Or is this part of his megalomania and he’s rewriting every thing to prove that he really is the guy saving $cientology from all the SPs that slipped in and miraculously degraded it all with their semi colons and their extra hard processes? Or is it really just changing things enough so he can justify making every single $cientologist re do every single course all over again (and pay for their bridge all over again which would be the real point)?

        • Bob

          FOX, All good points and makes me think it is a combination of what you listed. Also he wants clams moving faster up the bridge. the big money is in the OT levels.
          I think he truly believes he is the new messenger of universal salvation. Of course part of that is indenturing all the clams financially. Or hopefully the whole planet. A utopia. No war, no crime(all SPs will be sequestered at a place like Greenland), no insanity(for extreme cases they will be mercifully divested of their bodies so they can start life anew), and a place where ethical men and women(Sciebots) have rights. And any other people who don’t ascribe to the church will pay a nuisance tax every year for being WOGS. Sounds wonderful.

          • BuryTheNuts2

            Ok, Is “Greenland” an actual location being discussed for the SP’s? Or just an example?
            I need to know rather or not to check out the real estate market in the area.

            • Bob

              LOL. Just my extrapolation. Not sure how the Greenlanders will feel about it.

      • Kim O’Brien

        what is he up to ? i am going to go out on a limb here and say …ripping people off. Just like Hubbard did

        • FistOfXenu

          You doubter you! Kim, are you some kind of bitter apostate or some thing?

          • Kim O’Brien

            not an apostate but bitter and horny …does that count ?

            • FistOfXenu

              Bitter. And. Horny.
              That may take time to process.
              I’m sure it counts though.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              You are definitely PTS then…..

            • Kim O’Brien

              right now i am so horny i could potential trouble source the shit out of someone till they begged for mercy . Divorce sucks

            • BuryTheNuts2

              ;-(

              Sorry Kim.

            • Sorry about the divorce :-(.

              I bet you could get someone to take care of both your horniness and your desire to beat someone till they begged for mercy. And get them to pay you for the privilege.

            • Kim O’Brien

              yeah …i am never dating a republican ever again . It is so great and hot at first cause i am such a socialist …but then the crash and burn . He actually did not speak to me for two days because Obama got reelected. One of my own ” what the fuck was i thinking ?” moments in life . Face in palm . But hey …bring me a hot guy with long hair who can rock a sarong and i will feel better in no time at all 😉

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooohhhh!

            • stillgrace

              {{{ I did not realize YOU were the ONE responsible for Obama’s reelection! }}}

              May sarong-man step up to the plate tout suite, bearing hors d’oeuvres, frosty beverages, and an open mind.

            • Kim O’Brien

              well , in all fairness…i did vote for him like a bajillion times…all that voter fraud you have been hearing about ?? that’s me folks .

              Aaahhh…sarong man.

            • stillgrace

              OK, THAT was funny!

            • Oh wow that’s… wow. Here’s hoping your next dude isn’t a dumbass.

              Hm, Russell Brand’s available.

            • Kim O’Brien

              “Here’s hoping your next dude isn’t a dumbass ”

              I think i love you right now …that was awesome …thanks for that !! LOL

        • Espiando

          I think he actually may be responding to his audience and/or reality (yes, I know, connecting reality to Scientologists is difficult, but not impossible). He’s obviously seen some stats on the number of lost meat courtesy of the Pro TRs course and got panicky. Remember that the GAT Pro TRs has been the biggest hang-up on the Lower Bridge, with some people taking months or years to complete it. Imagine if you’re a zygote Scino taking Pro TRs and confronted with this bullshit for months on end. You’re going to blow and never come back. They’ve lost you before you can get well and truly wallet-hoovered. Simplify Pro TRs, and you hook them for the expensive stuff to come.

          Rip-off, but this time with an actual rationale.

          • ze moo

            Clams pride themselves on marketing and surveys. Sometimes they even focus the light on their own practices. It is always a choice between getting money now and getting it later. That clams actually exercised some self restraint in this matter means they think they can get the meat to pay for more expensive things by giving them easier ‘wins’ on lower paying courses. They just have faith in their ability to up sell.

        • Bob

          I was rhetorical regarding your answer as that is obvious but I am more looking for his devious plans which are much more interesting and Rube Goldberg like.

          • Kim O’Brien

            i was being sarcastic regarding the obvious rhetorical question . As to his devious plans ..all i know is that they are devious …as for Rube Goldberg …LRH’s stupid idea about “Hats” brings this to mind

            • 1subgenius

              I took your sarcastic response to the rhetorical question metaphorically.
              (I have no idea what you’re talking about, but this is fun. Next,)

            • Kim O’Brien

              it’s just an allegory LOL

            • 1subgenius

              Hypothetically speaking, that is.

      • Sunny Sands

        The old and new TRs sound fishy to me.

  • Mary_McConnell

    Hugs to Claire for explaining the wall of clay and TR’s .. this will help many unfamiliar with the TRs and, for those who did the program, help substantiate their use in the Narcoinon program .

    I love the Geir Isene interview! Wikipedia must be watched at all times because the cult stil sends in members to edit things. This is an important task for those wanting to help expose the cult. Pick a page and keep an eye on it and note edits to things, and alert wiki if unfair edits. There are quite a few Scientology pages on wiki.

    • Robert Eckert

      I don’t think I understand the wall of clay until I make a clay model of a Scientologist making a clay model.

      • FistOfXenu

        SHHHHHHH! Not so loud Robert! If your post gets reported back to His Oiliness he’ll steal it and make all those poor cultists do it and pay hundreds of bucks for the priviledge. They have it rough enough already without giving DM ideas.

        Truth is I’m surprised LRH never thought of that. And the clay $cientologist could be making a clay model of a $cientologist making a clay model of a $cientologist making a model ….

        And that could be a metaphor for Hubbard’s drug hallucinated universe.

  • Espiando

    Oh, I wish I had been able to hear those conversations between Geir and OSA regarding Wikipedia. For the first time, Scientology had run up against a group of people more didactic, literal, ruthless, policy-strict, and fanatic as them: the Wikipedos. OSA had decided to pick a fight on the home territory of Jimbo’s Army, after they found out how hopeless a Net battle was when they took on Anon. So how has “always attack, never defend” worked for you, Gloria and Gavino? And how have you two avoided the Hole for so long?

    Next video is The Main Event, and I can’t wait for it. I’ve always wondered exactly what OSA and Int thought about us when we popped up five years ago. Geir has the skinny on that.

  • Kim O’Brien

    Can someone please explain to me the anti-semitic shit with scientologists ?? Seriously …here is a comment posted by a Tom Gallagher at Marty’s blog. This is not the first ” hate the Jews” post that i have seen there . I have even seen someone say that Hitler actually helped the Jews …these are posts that Marty let’s in ….i just don’t get it . These people are fucking crazy

    “All things MSM are a mind fuck game. And it’s all run by some few old lunatics who identify themselves as Zionists who front for some European black nobility financiers.

    May they all burn in a concept called hell. They’ve already screwed mankind. It’s about time us folks said that’s it and that’s enough.”

    • Espiando

      I think that the anti-semitism expressed by some (fortunately, not too many) Scinos is a conflation and improper expansion of their hatred for Teh Ebil Psychs. There are a number of people, including non-Scinos, who see psychiatry as a Jewish field. Now follow the symbolic logic fallacies: Psychs are Evil. Psychs are Jews. Jews are Evil.

      Then again, they could simply be racist trash.

      • BuryTheNuts2

        “The trouble with China is, there are too many chinks here”

        Meh, I will go with blaming the founder.

        • 1subgenius

          Can’t go wrong there.

      • Kim O’Brien

        Theo went on quite a rant about how Greece was being “invaded ” by immigrants . The anti jew thing is just so strange to me and Marty let’s them in . He of course bans questions that might make some sense . Then there is the word “wog”. I mean for crying out loud …i lived in Oz for a few months and “wog” is pretty much the same a the N word here so who the hell do they think they are kidding ? Put on a sheet ….just racists from outer space

        • Espiando

          I’d separate what Theo was saying from any kind of generalization. The amount of anti-immigrant feeling in Greece right now is tremendous. The Greeks feel that non-EU citizens are using their country as a potential stepping stone into the EU, but they run out of cash while in Greece, provide a drain on social services which the Greeks, of course, can’t afford right now, etc.

          But, yeah, Scientologists are, in general, racist. But what they’re racist against is Homo Sapiens. Some of them just drill down to specifics to cite certain groups of us in order to justify a more general disdain.

          • Kim O’Brien

            True but i just see so much hate coming from them . Now ..running out of people to battle against …they are now turning on each other . Marty’s battle with the new blog and the new group of indies is just bizzarre …and the racist posts …i mean Marty compared people who are against scientology ( you now …like people here ) to actual suicide bombers and jihadists.Then of course he plugs his book and talks about the Tao .

            • Espiando

              The hate is at the absolute basis of what Scientology is about. What’s their supposed goal? To make the planet Clear. Who’s stopping them from doing that? The Homo Saps who won’t buy in to Hubtard’s {{{genius}}} and get on the {{{Bridge To Total Freedom}}}. So they hate us for it.

              I compare it to the attitudes of hard-core Christians. In both cases, there are issues with the perception that, somehow, those who don’t believe are jeopardizing the eternities of those who do, all because we don’t believe what they do.

              For those who are a little disconcerted about the last statement, let me point one specific instance of commonality: the go-to New Testament condemnation of LGBTs is 1 Romans 26-27. In the original Koine Greek, St. Paul uses the word “arsenokoitai”, which was translated in the KJV as “sodomite”. The problem here is that no other writer of the period uses that word (unlike Paul’s use in the same verses of “malakoi”, which is clear in every other use to mean “male prostitute” and got mistranslated until recently). If you translate the components literally, without the context that other writers could assist you with, you do come up with what appears to be rather rude slang for, shall we say, using the exit as an entrance. With the much broader meaning of “sodomite” in 1610, this would actually be semi-accurate. However, when the meaning of “sodomite” altered to restrict itself to male homosexuals, the translation didn’t change. The context did.

              Compare that to Scientology’s literal interpretation of Hubtard, and their fetish for word-clearing. Christianity and Scientology both have a lot of uncleared M/Us.

            • Missionary Kid

              That’s one of the reasons I’m not a Christian any more. Jesus should be the source, but Christians (and everyone else) really don’t know what he said. Even then, he said noting about homosexuality. Everything else came from his followers and their interpretation.

              Paul, IMO, injected all of his personal and cultural biases into the NT. Reading Misquoting Jesus and other works by Bart Ehrman give a good explanation why I am particularly annoyed with Christian fundamentalists.

              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFs-llHmxNc

            • Kim O’Brien

              LOVE BART !!! i loved the debate between him and that one guy who looks like John Boehner …oh how i miss The Hitch

            • Missionary Kid

              I use the illustration of how the $cions have tried to deify LRH with their repetition and amplification of his lies as the same sort of thing that goes on with many religious leaders.

              By making the leader more powerful or able, they try to elevate their philosophy.

              To me, it’s as a friend of mine put it. “My imaginary friend is more powerful than your imaginary friend.”

              I miss the Hitch, too. I was a fan of Olivia Wilde because of the way she looked and acted in Bickford Shmeckler’s Cool Ideas, but when I found out that Hitch used to watch out for her, I REALLY became a fan.

              BTW, that movie is an interesting take on how ideas get traction, often for reasons that have nothing to do with their intent.

            • Kim O’Brien

              i think he was her god-father actually

            • Missionary Kid

              There’s no mention of that in Wikipedia, just that he was her babysitter. I don’t quite see Hitch as a god-father.

            • Kim O’Brien

              i think she called him that …kind of a wink wink joke . Man …what an interesting babysitter he would be ….i can’t believe that i am actually jealous of her for THAT as opposed to say …her beauty and tons of cash LOL

            • Missionary Kid

              There’s not a slacker in her whole family. They all are high achievers.

            • Jon Hendry

              I binge-read a bunch of Ehrman’s books a couple years back. It was a bit annoying how stuff kept getting rehashed from book to book. (Somewhat excusably, as there is some overlap in topics.) Other than that, it’s good stuff. I would just recommend limiting intake of his older books to reduce this effect.

            • Missionary Kid

              I think he does it so that as he covers a new subject, he brings people up to speed on the techniques and problems with bible translation. Other than that, yes, I do find him repetitive to a certain extent.

              The problem he has is that he’s often dealing with extreme fundamentalists, so he has to, CYA by going through all the same steps because they love to pick and choose and take stuff out of context, just like they do for evolution.

            • Jon Hendry

              And, like I said, there’s overlap, and he can’t assume the reader of one book has already read another of his books.

              It’s like superhero movies, where they keep having to show the origin every time there’s a reboot. ;^)

            • MissCandle

              MK, {we all know exactly what jesus said. all his exact words are printed in red.}

            • Missionary Kid

              Best laugh of the day!!!!

            • BosonStark

              That was fascinating and the speaker excellent.

            • Missionary Kid

              He started out as a fundamentalist Christian who wanted to read the original texts. He began studying the Bible and its original languages at the Moody Bible Institute and is a 1978 graduate of Wheaton College in Illinois. He received his PhD and M.Div. from Princeton Theological Seminary.

              The first two schools didn’t provide him with original texts. Princeton did.

              He’s now an agnostic.

            • Missionary Kid

              Having been raised with a Taoist attitude, I tend to laugh at people who discover it. Why? Because there are elements of it in many other philosophies.

              While my father was in China saving souls for Jesus, he was becoming a practicing Taoist. It’s not a religion, but an attitude that one uses the world around them.

              Gier had a great statement about people who have just discovered a religion. Among Christians, the most obnoxious are those who have been just “saved.” They’ve got all the answers, and they’re gonna tell you about them, whether or not you want to hear them.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              “Because there are elements of it in many other philosophies.”

              And this where the cherry picking slippery slope begins……………

            • Missionary Kid

              You got it. Marty is finally doing an exploration of other philosophies he would have normally done when he was about 18.

            • Kim O’Brien

              the sad part is …most of his minions are just like him …actually shocked and amazed by a book that my cousin is reading in high school .

            • Missionary Kid

              I believe that being in a cult stunts a person’s development and freezes it in a time warp.

              Marty is finally trying to catch up, and he doesn’t realize that his is a path taken long before by most people.

            • Sidney18511

              Plus there is soooo much ass kissing going on over there the web page smells like farts.

          • Jon Hendry

            Yes, Greece has caught a bad case of the {faschits.}

            There’s a Greek neo-Nazi political party called the Golden Dawn, that has a swastika-ish symbol. They’re anti-Semitic, anti-immigrant, violent thugs and gangsters. One of the Golden Dawn politicians *slapped* another politician, *a woman*, on live TV.

          • MissCandle

            Economically speaking, Greek citizens have dug their own bankruptcy hole. They have no one else to blame it on.

        • FistOfXenu

          “Racists from outer space” – the book LRH never got to write.

          • Robert Eckert

            Some of the chapters in “Battlefield Earth” are devoted to that.

            • FistOfXenu

              You actually read that thing? I’ll send you a bottle of Jack Daniels in sympathy.

            • Robert Eckert

              I read

              http://battlefieldspork.blogspot.com/

              instead. He waded through it so we don’t have to.

              http://missionspork.blogspot.com/

              is an even more supreme act of self-sacrifice.

            • ze moo

              BE has some incredibly racist stuff about Africans in it. The Scottish come off fairly well, but the Tibetans and Orientals not so much. Lrooon was a clansman in an earlier life.

        • Missionary Kid

          In this forum, I wear the title, “wog” with pride. Elsewhere, no.

    • monkeyknickers

      What’s MSM, Kim?

      • Kim O’Brien

        apparently it is Main Stream Media ….

      • Espiando

        Either “mainstream media” or “men who have sex with men”. Both fit in context here.

      • Captain Howdy

        MSM is the “liberally biased” mainstream media that Alex Jones fanboys, Truthers, Birthers, Teabaggers, Paultards, scientologists, Neo-nazis, Illuminutty etc etc etc whine about constantly..and of course it’s controlled by “the Jews”.

        • 1subgenius

          “Teabaggers”. I always use that term instead of “Tea Party”.
          Its the term they used until they found out its sexual connotations.
          Oooopsie.

          • Kim O’Brien

            remember at the first rallies when they actually hung teabags from their ears ? I remember Anderson Cooper losing it on TV and laughing his ass off …they had to go to break.

        • monkeyknickers

          Thank you!!

    • BuryTheNuts2

      Why did you do that Kim…I had to go look!!!!

      The Oracle said the COS declared the book “the secret” on goldenrod? Seriously????

      (Well I declare it garbage…but I digress)

      Someone else went to an OTO Gnostic mass because they took Hubbard’s recommendation of reading Crowley seriously (wink).

      I was trying to keep count of “Thank you, Marty”. (but I got lost and bored)

    • pronoia

      They are in thrall to all sorts evil wog conspiracy theories. And as many of us know, if you go down that rabbit hole, you will eventually discover that the evil overlords behind all that is wrong and unjust in the world begins with “the Jews”. Of course Hubbard fell right into line with that one: where do you think the evil psychs are the root of all evil including and especially the holocaust leads to? Why Freud and Adler and all those other evil Vienna Jewish psychs and bankers!

      Tldr version: Hubbard was a racist and a bigot.

    • 1subgenius

      At the end of the day, with Scientology, its the “Joos”.
      Trufax.

  • sugarplumfairy

    Total cost of co$ courses so far (per 2001 prices) $14,197..

    2013 Nissan Versa Plus $13,790..

    Go with the new car.. with enough leftover for a weekend at the beach.. Yay!!

    • FistOfXenu

      How do you expect to become some body that KNOWS you’re the only 1 that can help at car accidents with an attitude like yours?

      • BuryTheNuts2

        Because unlike a Scientologist…She actually IS QUALIFIED to help at car accidents.

        • FistOfXenu

          Middle Tooth is gonna want to have a little talk with you, BTN. You need to learn from the real experts. 🙂

          • BuryTheNuts2

            I hope it is his “big being number 3” speech he gave to Naz…

            That would be lots of fun.
            I wonder if he would recognize “the maniacal laugh” as an impersonation?

            If he got upset, I could tell him I was practicing to be in the “big being number 3” messengers organization.

        • sugarplumfairy

          Lol.. And have, Bury, on more than a few occasions..

    • Espiando

      Frankly, I’d rather do Scientology than ever drive another Versa again in my life.

      • sugarplumfairy

        ok, for you we have the 2013 Ford Fiesta, the 2013 Chevy Sonic or Spark, 2013 Hyundai Accent, 2013 Kia Rio, 2013 Mazda Mazda2 or the 2013 Smart ForTwo Car.. All under $14,000..

        • Espiando

          I’ve driven the Sonic and liked it, but I still have a reluctance buying anything from GM. I won’t buy another Ford again in my life after having been burned a few times. Too many bad experiences with the previous-gen Rio, although this one’s supposed to be better. Not enough space in the Mazda2. And even if the Smart wasn’t a total joke, I wouldn’t give one thin dime to Mercedes for what they did to Chrysler.

          That leaves the Accident. The base Accent is the only one you’re going to get for under fourteen grand, and that’s pretty shabby and barren. If you’ve got fourteen grand, get a used 2007-8 Honda Fit, if you can find one used. Utter reliability and amazing room inside. The 2009-2013 ones look fugly on the inside, and you don’t want to see the one they’re coming out with for 2014. I’d rather read History of Man than see it again.

          • BuryTheNuts2

            Dude….
            I hope you are a Hertz Gold Choice member………………

            • Espiando

              Nope. In order to keep costs down while traveling (which get passed on to my clients), I have to cut costs on the rental cars, which means I end up rather often in a Nissan Versa. My only hope is a “we’re out of them” upgrade. Last time in LA, it landed me in a minivan. The time before, though, it got me a canary-yellow Camaro.

          • sugarplumfairy

            Actually, I think I’m ok with you joining co$..

            (jk)

          • Kim O’Brien

            get a bus pass

            • Espiando

              Which really helps when I travel two thousand miles for a consultancy.

            • Kim O’Brien

              oh well then…never mind ( in my gilda radner voice )

          • monkeyknickers

            2003 Toyota Tacoma truck. That’s all I can say. I’m on 210,000 and confident enough to put my niece in it. It’s never broken down. I am in love with my truck. Sometimes I hug it. 🙂

    • Jon Hendry

      And the Versa can actually get you across a bridge.

      • sugarplumfairy

        Lol.. Wish I’d said that..

  • HartleyPatterson

    Interesting that Geir was given a ‘survivor from another cult’ cover story when contacting Andreas. This is the same method that “Laura/Jolie” used to get into the Cult Awareness Network. In her case it wasn’t the Witnesses it was some small local cult that no one knew much about that gave her a pretend motive to be a volunteer worker for CAN.

    • DeElizabethan

      Yes, exactly. I also had to use a member of family belonging to another cult for my cover story, not Scientology either. They don’t want bad PR even when undercover stuff. Ignorance of Scientology was best. But that was good, tho stressful, cause I became more human (woggish) ha, ha.

      • PreferToBeAnon2

        when you have time, De, please do tell us about that!

  • Truthiwant

    If there is one word in any language that is an acronym to the word “Religion” it is the word “spying”.

    When I was in Scientology I knew nothing about what OSA did and to be honest I hardly knew that it existed. There was some talk about “protecting” the Church and the necessity to defend it but I knew naught else.

    I never liked the protests organized by Scientology and infact I never went to any one of them. When Scientology were in trouble, they got together bus loads of people to protest in front of a court house. This sort of thing was not for me and infact on the contrary, it made me think WHY they had to do all this.

    If I had ever learnt that these OSA operations were infact undercover smear campaigns, I would immediately have left Scientology. I know that Scientologists are brainwashed but to me, there is a line to be drawn and I was never brainwashed to the point of not seeing that line.

    You do not protect your religious rights by attacking all and everybody that has a differing opinion to you. That is not religion. That is dictatoral intolerance.

    • Espiando

      I think you’ve got an M/U on “acronym”. An acronym is a word that shortens a longer phrase, as in “NASA is an acronym for ‘National Aeronautics and Space Administration'”. I think you mean “antonym”.

      • Truthiwant

        Thanks Espiando. I’ve corrected it!

  • pronoia

    Off topic: but I have a feeling that attorneys for Laura and the Garcias are watching the recent release of Catholic Church ducume ts very carefully. It doesn’t seem like a good time for a “church” to try to use any kind of privilege argument to defend itself against claims of abuse and fraud.

    http://www.salon.com/2013/07/01/documents_dolan_asked_to_transfer_57m_to_trust/singleton/

  • dbloch7986

    “So one day I asked my mom and dad to help me get the recruiters to back off.

    Their response?

    Well of course, since I was a “product” of the Pro TRs course and thus should be able to deal with any communication situation in life, I needed to deal with it myself.”

    Good lord this is the same thing my parents told me (except I had not done Pro TRs at the time): “Use your TRs and handle them.” Is what my mom and dad said. As I was locked in a room (also at 14) with five people pressuring me to sign a contract, crying. My parents had no idea where I was for hours.

    The fuckers came home with me, finally, at midnight. What did my parents say? They screamed at me for not telling them where I was.

    • Missionary Kid

      $cientology = operation mindfuck. Your parents are a part of it.

      You are out of it, and we’re happy to have you here.

      Please post your donation site again.

  • Michael Leonard Tilse

    I hated the clay grease on my hands, but I loved making clay demos and clay representations.

    I did the ~~1989 Pro TRs as ASHO. Yea, there was lots of clay. The Key To Life course had lots of clay demos and clay representations as well.

    What’s the difference between demos and representations? Go ahead and ask, I know ya wanna.

    • BuryTheNuts2

      do tell?

      • Michael Leonard Tilse

        A clay DEMO is a thought, concept or idea put into clay with the idea of clarifying the relationships and “adding the mass” to make it ‘real’ and objective. It’s not of an actual anything that necessarily happened.

        A clay REPRESENTATION is a model of an actual real object or situation that you saw or experienced or that you remembered from your past lives. It is an auditing action that is supposed to ‘blow’ some barrier or cause one to have a realization.

        Clay Table HEALING is having the PC in session, make models of the injured part until the injury heals or the condition goes away. It’s a kind of creative processing/communication process.

        • Missionary Kid

          I couldn’t get through that. I’m lousy at working with clay. An ashtray is the height of my accomplishments.

          • Michael Leonard Tilse

            For me, it was one of the only ways one could indulge in artistry and elegance while doing scientology courses. Getting across the idea clearly and cleanly was an artistic goal for me.

            • Truthiwant

              The thing about those clay demos was that, in the end, it all depended on WHO looked at it to give you a pass. You get some idiot that doesn’t know the difference between day and night and you get a “FLUNK”. Then all your hard work is for nothing. Michael, is the whole thing not crazy?

            • BuryTheNuts2

              I always wondered that. I mean you get some dumb ass (or jerk) and you are screwed.
              Vance talked about some of that in his book.
              Talk about subjective……..

            • Truthiwant

              What you’re saying is so true.

              Forget “Standard Tech”. This has nothing to do with Standard Tech by LRH. This has to do with normal individuals that look at things in a different way, one from the other. Hubbard’s intention, quite obviously was to make EVERYBODY think and act like him. This would be the only real definition of “Standard Tech”.

              In the end, however, there is no difference. The whole thing is baloney.

            • Michael Leonard Tilse

              It is not not crazy. Usually it was the course supervisor, for me. So I almost never got a flunk. I could see how a student might be less able to see it. I was disgusted with all the lumps and poorly mashed together barely recognizable lumps some people came up with. That made them hard to check out.

              I think I never got less than 100% on course final tests and took it all too seriously. That made me a slow student because I was wanting to get it ALL. But usually I was happy with my own pace an understanding. The last course I was on at ASHO, I walked out because the supervisor insisted on wordclearing me and spot checking me. I was in the middle of some reading and they decided to do this. I said “you are interfering with an F/Ning student, that is an ethics offense.” The supe kept on pushing it. I hoofed it.

            • Truthiwant

              I know exactly what you mean. You want to do things right. The sad part of it all is that there was nothing to gain in doing it right.

              I bet some of your clays were great. It’s probably best to think of those good memorys and not think about the absurdity of the whole thing!

            • Even completely honest and highly intelligent people see totally different things when they look at art. Also, everyone doesn’t find it easy to think in three dimensions and then translate that into a sculpture. Those barely recognizable lumps likely represented the very best many of those people were capable of doing. And maybe other people would have seen some of them as masterpieces.

              This is one of the many ways in which Scientology makes no blasted sense. Everyone is supposed to have their own truth. And yet everyone is supposed to be able to translate their thoughts into clay models, and everyone is supposed to see exactly the same thing when they look at said clay models, or the person making the model “failed”.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Dichotomy much?

            • Truthiwant

              Sometimes it was sad to see the clay demos. Sometimes it was outright hilarious.

              Those clay demos expressed so much more than Hubbard’s mindfuck courses.

              They expressed the individual’s skills, or lack of, in modelling clay. They expressed the torture certain people had to go through that had no idea how to make something look realistic in a model. They also expressed the desire, and this is the saddest thing of all, to get it right and show that, even with no capacity for building something out of clay, that they could show that they were able.

              The clay models were fantastic, but not because of what they represented, but because they were created by individuals.

            • Michael Leonard Tilse

              I’m sorry. I didn’t mean to be demeaning. Art was never the point of clay demos or whatever. Hubbard even said that art had no part in making them.

              For me, art is integral to communication so I tried to make mine have that so that the meaning could be easily grasped. Not liking some others make was on the basis of an ‘asthetic’ reaction, not necessarily rational, to some things. Mostly, they still got the message across.

              But you are correct, everybody is different and people do see things differently.

              The constant pressure of scientology study tech, hell, all of scientology, is the manipulation of people until they have the same mindset, the same way of looking at things and dismissal for anything different. Flunk becomes not just a helpful feedback but a judgement on their worth.

            • stillgrace

              You have the soul of a sculptor! edit: just for clarity: the soul is your own!

            • Michael Leonard Tilse

              Thanks. I’m a maker of things. My internal aesthetic is that they WORK and that they LOOK COOL! Haven’t done much pure sculptor since my earlier days at college, but I still am not finished with something unless it’s simple and elegant.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              You probably love minimalist architecture too!

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Ahem MLT…What Kitz said!
              We need you to show off.

            • Kitz

              He does. 🙂 Everything that I’ve seen him make are elegant and work like they are supposed to! Makes me jealous as hell a lot of the time. 😉

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Form follows function!
              We WANT PICTURES!!!!

            • Kitz

              Those would have to come from him, since they aren’t my things to show off. 🙂

        • BuryTheNuts2

          Lets Clay Demo Quantum Physics:

          Everybody Go!

          First one finished goes to Marty’s blog….Forever!

          • Michael Leonard Tilse

            Ohhh, OHHHH: I got the Higgs Boson!

            • BuryTheNuts2

              I got dibs on wave particle duality!

          • Espiando

            I’d do it for you, but I’m not certain about where the clay is right now.

            • Michael Leonard Tilse

              but you do know how fast it’s going, right?

            • Espiando

              Only if I don’t know how much clay I’ve used.

            • Michael Leonard Tilse

              You could do a doubt formula.

            • Espiando

              Doubt Formula + Uncertainty Principle = Divide By Zero.

            • Missionary Kid

              Doubt Formula + Uncertainty Principle = Divide By Zero = infinity.

            • Espiando

              “Divide By Zero” is an Anon joke, MK. Essentially, it means that if you try, you can destroy the universe.

            • Missionary Kid

              Thanks.

              Destroying the universe only happens in religions, fantasies, and computers.

          • Kim O’Brien

            that is best comment ….you rock

        • Truthiwant

          My ex-wife is a sculptress. One day she did a clay demo that was, literally, a masterpiece. I have no idea if it represented what was asked for but it could have been put in an art museum. I think she spent the whole afternoon doing it!

        • aquaclara

          There is clay table HEALING?????
          Ok, why can’t we sue this cult for practicing stupid fake medicine?

          • Michael Leonard Tilse

            Yes, there is. It was developed in the early 60s at Saint Hill, probably around the time the cyst host was ripping of the Berners study tech.

            It was explicitly for healing. It was done in session. There are even pix and maybe even a tech film from that era on it. A class 8 could probably say more.

            There are LOTS of things in scientology that are to address and heal illnesses and injuries. The ‘assists’ are almost all directed at that.

            • aquaclara

              COS should be required to post a warning label. I can see that, before the internet and active conversations about the culty mindfuck (I stole your word), how some of this stuff could possibly be perceived as slightly more helpful than harmful. For example, “playing with clay helps someone relax.”
              The AMA probably doesn’t even know how wacky some of these treatments are, though.
              For example, “the Purification Rundown can be deadly.”
              This is why your posts are tremendously useful.

          • Truthiwant

            It reminds me of a joke:

            “My wife got a mudpack and looked great for two days. Then the mud fell off.”

          • Bleuler

            Ah, Clay-oiliness table coming up!

    • aquaclara

      Ok, I’ll bite! What is the difference between a demo and a representation, both of which are made out of clay?

      • Missionary Kid

        As were LRH’s feet.

        • aquaclara

          funny!
          I wonder if anyone ever did LRH in clay with his big nose.

          • Missionary Kid

            Don’t forget what I call the syphilitic bump on his head.

            • Michael Leonard Tilse

              It would have it’s own label, name and country of residence.

      • Kim O’Brien

        what is the difference between partly cloudy and partly sunny ?? My daughter asked me that when she was 3 while watching the weather report . I still don’t have an answer for her 😉

        • Truthiwant

          My glass is half full or half empty.

          Suspense moment. I think Michael is writing a reply.

        • Missionary Kid

          Partly cloudy is mostly sunny with some clouds.
          Partly sunny is mostly cloudy with some sun.

    • Truthiwant

      Michael, we’re waiting!

      Please give us the answer!

  • stateofcircle

    What time is court today in Laura’s case? I’ve been waiting with bated breath to hear about a settlement offer or some sort of shenanigans!

  • Sidney18511

    Any news on Laura’s files? They are due today aren’t they.

    • Missionary Kid

      Remember, the case is in California. It’s not even noon now.

      • BuryTheNuts2

        And they likely said they had to turn them over by close of business (read 5PM)

  • Roger Larsson

    If clay had
    been real blood $cientology had been something serious….what? $cientology is an
    organization that deals with real blood and not only with clay…If $cientology only had settled down with clay.

  • As a note also here – I added this comment on the discussion on my blog:

    I am not saying that duplication and repetition is All Wrong. It is part of any training. But – I AM saying that it makes a person more controllable. Just as in the military, just as in school, just as in sports where the trainer wants to better control his team. What sets Scientology apart from the above is

    a) the more intense and targeted focus on repetition (on par with the military) and, more importantly

    b) while the above examples are duplication and repetition in certain areas of life, Scientology encompasses All of Life. To be part of a sports team that is easily controlled by a coach is something entirely different from being controlled by a church that is supposed to encompass All of Life.

    Also, the soccer coach is not about to sell you the idea that he will enhance your free will. The Church of Scientology is – all the while it drills and drills with repetition and duplication that all of LRH is gospel and all of Scientology is True. This robs a person of his free will. It makes for people who are hell bent on defending anything Scientology – even when they are presented clear facts that even the basics of Scientology has serious flaws. With such a repetitive training pattern in Scientology, a person will twist and justify, look away or defend any wrong in Scientology. It makes for fanatics.

    Link: http://isene.me/2013/07/01/scientology-root-cause/#comment-42181

    • Michael Leonard Tilse

      I agree very much. it is the mix of utopian with the totalitarian that draws you in and destroys you. The dedicated glare that is the scientology ideal, is fanaticism.

      It is so confusing to us who have been through the mindfuck. At the same time something like study tech seems to be helping you it is turning you into a spiritual fascist.

      There seems to be nothing in scientology that does not have this dual nature and teasing apart how that happens is part of my self-healing journey. Thanks Geir.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist
      • Lady Squash

        I feel you Michael. I’m on the same journey. BTW, I loved your doubt formula on LRH’s death certificate. It was intense. The first time I read it, I was still a true believer and thought you were a little out there. And now, well, I get it. We were had, big time!

        • Michael Leonard Tilse

          Thank you! It is always good to hear it was helpful. I’m curious about how you found it to read while you were still in, how long it was from then till you were out and what was your turning point? Tried to format it in a way that wouldn’t immediately offend and would lead to others asking questions and doing their own research to discover what THEY needed to know.

    • Espiando

      If the stable datum in this instance is the United States Army, 1988, then I can tell you that Scientology is even more repetitious than the military. The problem here is that Hubtard modeled his teachings after the military of WWII, before pretty much every military on Earth figured out that repeated drills weren’t necessary on a modern battlefield, or, for that matter, very much desired. Drills act as a good basis on how to react, but they tend to remove the ability to react. However, if you’re setting up a {religion} where you’ve also established a doctrine of unchanging permanency, it’s terrific.

    • Bob

      Geir,
      Your assessment is so accurate. Scientology now, is such a DICHOTOMY at odds with itself it regularly causes major illnesses or major insanity. If you are unwilling to go insane then you get sick. Very sad.
      There are various stages of this. But I see it so much. Thanks for speaking out.

      • Poison Ivy

        “If you are unwilling to go insane, then you get sick.” That’s an interesting observation.

      • Lady Squash

        I took care of an OT 8 who was insane. That’s what started waking me up.

    • Poison Ivy

      Excellent analysis.

    • Lady Squash

      AMEN!!!

  • monkeyknickers

    So . . . when exactly ARE these docs coming for Laura? Did the judge actually have to assign a time, too?

    CAN’T WAIT YAY.

    • Captain Howdy

      They have to be in by 5:00 PST

      • monkeyknickers

        And those assholes are shredding at the speed of light. I STILL don’t understand why copies are acceptable.

        • Espiando

          Because there’s still a pending lawsuit going on. Laura didn’t take legal measures simply to get her PC folders.

          • monkeyknickers

            Um. Okay (we have to go slow for me. Sorry E :() So basically she won the right to LOOK at them bought not to possess them?

            • Espiando

              Sort of. Evidence that she needs to substantiate the charges she brought against the cult in her suit can be found in her PC folders. Otherwise, she’d have a lot less provable substantiation and would have a much harder time gaining a verdict in her favor. With the folders released, she can bring documentary evidence from them into testimony.

              The side effect of this is, of course, that ex-members can now file suit against the cult to get their own PC folders, based on the precedent of Laura’s victory in obtaining hers (although that might be limited to California). The moment they do, though, they’ll have some idea of what’s in them, because the cult will use material from them for the inevitable hate site they’ll put up.

            • Robert Eckert

              They still have the right to defend themselves. She has the right to “discovery”, that is to see what evidence can be found in those folders, but the suit is not about possession of the folders.

      • MissCandle

        In other words, COB.

  • J. Swift

    What never ceases to amaze me is how much great talent the Church has had in its ranks.

    And yet, true its own highly self-destructive nature, the Church variously ignores, abuses, and pulverizes its most talented members after which it declares them SP’s.

    These talented SP’s then speak out against the Church and how they were abused.

    As an added bonus, these talented SP’s succinctly describe the sheer idiocy and incompetence of Church management as Geir Isene is so capably doing.

    Marc Headley is unusually talented in describing the idiocy and incompetence of the Cult.

    *****
    Embodied in a series of volumes having green covers called the “Green Vols” or “Green on White”, the “Tech” of LRH management forms an Absurdist study in how not to run an organization.

    The Green Vols form a Compendium of Idiocy that instruct managers to steer the ship at full speed into an iceberg, fly the plane nose first into the ground, and of course use put out all fires using gasoline.
    The Green Vols are laughably unworkable while also being insanely cruel.

    Paradoxically, this unworkable and cruel system built a multibillion dollar Cult not because of LRH’s management tech, but in spite of it. This is because Church members have found that auditing has an efficacious and attractive quality for which they are willing to pay.

    ******
    There is something attractive in the spiritual side of Scientology that draws in talented people in and keeps them going up the Bridge. Over against this, there is another part of the Cult that is fatally flawed and self-destructive.

    This is why people eventually leave.

    The contradictions within the Church of Scientology are agonizing:

    A group cannot do true Spiritual work while engaging in chronic and habitual lying because it is committed to PR above the spiritual and moral necessity of honesty.

    A group cannot do true Spiritual work while engaging in Fair Game, Disconnection, and the financial rape of its parishioners.

    All of these things are a dagger to the heart of the Church and it is doing it to itself.

    These fatal flaws allow critics and former members to systematically dismantle the Church of Scientology in its present form.

    • MissCandle

      “What never ceases to amaze me is how much great talent the Church has had in its ranks.”

      Jefferson Hawkins is an excellent example, IMO.

      • BuryTheNuts2

        Me too!
        That fascinates me to no end. Such incredible people that have been treated so poorly.
        Look how many of them that are here?
        Talented. Brilliant. Hilarious.
        That makes it all the more puzzling to me….even though I understand all of the reasons.
        My brain still wants to argue!

  • ze moo

    While in kindergarten and first grade, playing with clay was my least favorite ‘art’ project. I was more of a finger painting kid. The clay demos are an adventure in conforming to the hierarchy. You keep making clay things until someone guesses what you are illustrating. At perhaps hundreds of dollars per hour, you smarten up and conform pretty quick or you come back after your next pay check. Either way, Lroon gets his bucks.

    “What do you call a wookie throwing a pot?” ‘Hairy Potter’…….forgive me……..

    • aquaclara

      You make a really good point here. Even the money is a tool to get someone to conform. For that $$$ticker, I would work fast and try for whatever they want, too. Forget about any artwork…

    • I loved doing clay stuff. I was much better at it than drawing. But I have no idea how someone could represent a paragraph of LRH’s horrible babble in clay.

      • ze moo

        The old adage is ‘ a word paints a thousand pictures’. What if your words are shit???? I don’t want that many turds, polished or not.

      • MissCandle

        Make your clay look like a pile of shit.

        • Even shit has its uses, though.

  • mook
  • aquaclara

    This waiting is horrible, isn’t it? Has to be worse for Laura, I keep telling myself.

  • BuryTheNuts2

    Ok, I am just picturing Laura and crew all sitting around a huge deposition table, and the Scion Lawyers are instructed not to turn over the goods until 4:59.5.

    So they are all just staring at each other and Laura probably feels like she having to re-do her TR’s!
    OK, that is just MY vision….whatever.

    Edit: But I did buy the wine to celebrate!….or cry into….depending…..

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      or they had a busy morning barking back and forth negotiations, struck a deal, then mad flurry of paperwork, notaries, signatures, and filing by 4:59.5.

      • BuryTheNuts2

        Bloody likely!
        I hope that check has a shit load of zeros if so!
        Even still, the courts have already shot down the…spit…churches argument.
        The floodgates will still open….just more slowly.

        • Captain Howdy

          Do you know the damage amount Laura was originally seeking?

          • BuryTheNuts2

            I don’t think it got to that point.

            • Captain Howdy

              “The lawsuit is seeking loss of earnings, general damages, loss of
              education damages, restitution of unpaid wages, injunctive relief
              preventing forced abortions, and unspecified damages.”

            • BuryTheNuts2

              I am sure Laura had a number in mind.
              I hope she gets 100 times that.
              But I thought the jury would have to determine the total monetary damages based on the entire case presented.
              I could be totally wrong.
              I am no lawyer.
              I just argue with them for a living.
              (And the last two days while I have been on the bunker…on my other screens, I have been printing e-mails and gathering documents and contracts going back to 2009 for a potential lawsuit. So, um, yeah…documents… Yipee. Now for that wine!!!)

            • sugarplumfairy

              Injunctive relief preventing forced abortions.. That has to sting..

          • MissCandle

            No matter how much money is offered or accepted or not . . . it will not be enough.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Let me use my OT powerz and see…
          I see green desks.
          So either DM is feeling mighty nauseated and got the runs, or that’s green cash.

          • BuryTheNuts2

            Oh my gosh….so YOU are the real OT!
            YOU CAN SEE “GREEN”.
            Quick, give me some lottery numbers!

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              0 and 0

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Well at least you didn’t go binary and give me 0,1.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              I’m not that kind of OT.

        • stateofcircle

          There’s no WAY the church didn’t offer a fat settlement. They know the implications of this can be catastrophic. The precedence turning the folders over will be the death of Miscavige. I would love to be a fly on the wall wherever he is today. Either Laura ends up with her folders, or she ends up with enough money to take care of her and her family for the rest of their lives. Either way, I am so very happy for her.

          But I’m dying to find out what’s going on!!!!!!! I wish Tony was live tweeting from LA! We should’ve started a bunker fund to send him out there to report!

          • BuryTheNuts2

            But at some point Scientology is going to start having to turn over P/C folders.
            If she settles,…someone else will sue and road has been paved thanks to Laura.

    • My guess was that he ordered them to wait until the last possible second so the lawyers have to wait until tomorrow to let the judge jniw if they actually got anything resembling the real stuff. Good thing the judge gave herself the extra day before the holiday with teeny fists shenanigans in mind.

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    Patience stinks

    [IMG]http://i42.tinypic.com/wumfzb.jpg[/IMG]

  • Sherbet

    New post up!

    • Spackle Motion

      where? I don’t see it.

    • SH chaos

      Link plz?

      • Espiando

        No article, so no ling.

    • Captain Howdy

      It was up and then it went “POOF!”

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        yeah…maybe there is additional info coming in….
        we need a ham radio operator in the bunker for moments like this

      • sugarplumfairy

        It’ll be worth waiting for..

      • BuryTheNuts2

        wtf, I came back here for a sec and gone….?

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          OSA (hahaha) Getting some celebratin’ wine….

          • BuryTheNuts2

            whoo hoo…Join me hole…!!!
            This is definitely a celebratory event!
            Dave must be shitting cinder blocks!!!

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              You don’t think there could possibly be an 11th hour offer, do you? That couldn’t happen now right? But hell, even if so, no matter what, those folders got delivered, even if by CD, so that is the magic precedent, right? Right?

            • BuryTheNuts2

              I don’t think so.

        • Captain Howdy

          Maybe Tony got a major update and had to rewrite the article.

      • Spackle Motion

        Maybe Laura got 18,000 pages of disappearing ink.

  • DeElizabethan

    Clay demo’s are part of the insanity. They do nothing but help control.

    Geir Isene’s video is great. Keep talking about all this shit. It’s the way they do and think.
    Kudos to Karen for making these available and to all who help.

  • PreferToBeAnon2

    hi folks, missed ya today. damn, i do so enjoy a good colonoscopy chat.

    is there really a new post up? it’s not showing in my browser, is not on tony’s facebook, nor did i get an email notification…. sherbet, you wouldn’t tease…

    • Mark

      It was there until about five minutes ago – both Sherbet & I had commented on it, too. ‘Ware body thetans!

      • BuryTheNuts2

        And we were commenting than poof,
        off to target two it went

        • FistOfXenu

          Yup. I commented too. The thing stuttered with a new comment so I reloaded the page and that’s when it vanished.

    • BuryTheNuts2

      SMART ASS!!!!
      THe post disappeared!!!

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Drug residue, maybe? hahaha glad you got it done and it is over

      • PreferToBeAnon2

        i didn’t get one, but it looks like the bunker did! i think that photo is worse than the pod painting.

        • BuryTheNuts2

          Yeah, and after THAT discussion…guess who is putting it off ONE MORE YEAR.

    • Captain Howdy

      I done seen it.

      • Missionary Kid

        I copied it and pasted it on this thread so you can read it.

  • MissCandle

    No problem on my laptop and browser. comments keep coming up on new post, FYI
    Edit: it’s gone

    • BuryTheNuts2

      I just tried another browser…NADA

      • FistOfXenu

        4 browsers and all of them give me the same thing.

    • Espiando

      Yeah, if you had it open at the time, there should be no problem, and the comments keep coming through because of Diksuq lag. But for those of us who were doing other things and didn’t have the article open, we ain’t got them.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        I had it open and as Howdy said, it went Poof! That was kind of a first.

        • Espiando

          You didn’t F5 the page or anything, did you?

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            No.

        • N. Graham

          Maybe a Scio attack! Oh yeah, they can’t even figure out Wikipedia, I doubt if they could do anything more tech than that or else they already would have.

          • BuryTheNuts2

            Naaa…I am thinking eleventh hour change of heart!
            Now that I got my time zones figured out.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              I tossed and turned all night, unusual for me. I kept thinking what this could mean for so many and how Major this could turn out to be. We’re talking about Years inside as Sea Org, not just any staff, and where she was…. I don’t get it. If they messed with the files they are in serious trouble. If they didn’t mess with the files they are in serious trouble.

              Maybe that bit about redacting “third party” was for removing any mention of Miscavige? Maybe he’s just going to get rid of a whole bunch of used up, sick, dying, deranged and angry, very angry, slaves and throw them under the bus. Then he comes out with a “discovery” of a mutiny and look at all the bad, bad things they did and he is shocked, shocked I tell ‘ya. ??
              I still can’t think with him forking over the folders. Maybe this is his insane plan?

      • Captain Howdy

        Thing is when i went to tony’s facebook page the new story isn’t listed.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Yeah it is gone. So rewriting. Jeesh, nerve wracking day. I mean, he wouldn’t have taken it off if he was just Adding something. But a full rewrite, he would

          • Captain Howdy

            yeah, he’s rewriting.

    • Yeppir

      Bragger. I still get nothing.

  • FistOfXenu

    I WAS at the page
    http://tonyortega.org/2013/07/02/scientology-turns-over-documents-laura-decrescenzo-begins-process-to-review-them/

    and all of a sudden the page vanished. Now I get 404 Not Found.

    Am I the only 1? What happened?

    EDIT: Disqonnectus finally let me see other people are having the same problem.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Just checked it on “Down for Everyone or Just Me” and it says it is down. But obviously, just that post?

    • BuryTheNuts2

      No, disappeared!!!

  • Michael Leonard Tilse

    It’s not a conspiracy. Just an ordinary glitch. I’m sure Tony will explain everything.

    • BuryTheNuts2

      An ordinary glitch at an extraordinarily shitty time!

    • Captain Howdy

      No, Michael, No! The Martians HAVE invaded..run for the hills!

    • Missionary Kid

      I posted the entire thread on this one, so you don’t have to go to it.

  • PreferToBeAnon2

    MissCandle, what is the headline? Did Laura get her folders?

    • Captain Howdy

      Yes

      • PreferToBeAnon2

        Whoooooppp!

    • Missionary Kid

      Yes, she did. At about 4:00 PM pst

      • BuryTheNuts2

        5PM+ is when tony posted!

        • Missionary Kid

          It’s not 5:00 here yet.
          19:00 is 7pm EDT, and 4:00 PDT.

          • Espiando

            Kid, I’ve got 1903 (no colon with military time) CDT, which is 1703 PDT, just after 5PM. So Tony posted just after 7PM EDT/4PM PDT, just after Laura got the folders, and then the post went down.

          • BuryTheNuts2

            I thought you guys were only 3 hours difference?
            Edit: Nevermind…I am an IDIOT who cant count!!!!
            Facepalms myself…

            Edit: and all my fuckups were BEFORE I started drinking Moscato!

            • Missionary Kid

              We are. 1900 is 7 pm N.Y. time. Subtract 3 hours for Los Angeles time, and that give you 4:00 PM.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              got it now.
              NOW I think they settled.

            • Missionary Kid

              No, they didn’t. I put the entire article on this thread, so you can read it. The judge talked about appointing a settlement judge, but Laura’s attorneys said they’d already made a settlement offer, but Co$ rejected it.

    • Yeppir

      http://tonyortega.org/2013/07/02/scientology-turns-over-documents-laura-decrescenzo-begins-process-to-review-them

      Scientology-turns-over-documents-laura-decrescenzo-begins-process-to-review-them

      • SH chaos

        Broken link

        • PreferToBeAnon2

          Page Not Found

          • Missionary Kid

            Try this link: That didn’t work, either. I’m still on it from the original link.

            (deleted link)

            • FistOfXenu

              That’s the 1 that failed for me the 1st time. Just failed again.

            • sugarplumfairy

              “Not Found
              Sorry, but you are looking for something that isn’t here.”

      • Observer

        It was there but it’s gone now.

        • PreferToBeAnon2

          that’s what all the little ones say, hon. pool shrinkage? not so much.

      • Captain Howdy

        Tease!..J/K

    • MissCandle

      She got her folder. her legal team had offered a settlement which S-Lying_Tology rejected. They turned over docs on CD. Rinder opined that she of all people would be able to determine if they had been doctored.

      • Espiando

        Nice of Mike to say the same fucking thing that about a half-dozen of us here have been saying for the last couple of weeks.

        • BuryTheNuts2

          Well um yeah true…..

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            Mike who? Oh yeah, about Laura….

            • BuryTheNuts2

              I don’t know anyone by that name.
              I do know a few Steves though…..

      • PreferToBeAnon2

        thanks! i want me some new bunker blog about laura! keep feedin’ us out here!

        • BuryTheNuts2

          She was offered a settlement and it was rejected. They (spit) had to comply.
          Bonus info: Laura used to BE one of the people who scoured p/c files for completeness and correct data.
          (So if anyone knows what “should be” there. It is her).

          • Espiando

            Who offered the settlement, BTN? Candle says it was the Sharks With Frickin’ Laser Beams; you say it’s the Scilons.

            • Missionary Kid

              Nope, it was Laura’s side that offered the settlement.

              It probably didn’t include a non-disclosure agreement, and a demand that DM put all of the papers in a place where the sun doesn’t shine, without lubricant.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              That’s what I got …. Laura’s position is No More Gagging Wires!

            • Captain Howdy

              It was the sharks, supposedly.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              The court suggested it and her lawyers made the offer. Cos rejected it.
              sorry E, I misspoke. her side asked to settle

          • MissCandle

            Actually, I think Laura’s legal team made a settlement offer to S-Lying-Tology and the {church} rejected it.

            • PreferToBeAnon2

              before she got the folders?

            • Missionary Kid

              Yup.

            • Captain Howdy

              yes.

            • MissCandle

              On June 13 the judge offered to appoint a settlement judge.

            • MissCandle

              Rinder opined that by settling, Shortie would have admitted wrongdoing.

            • Captain Howdy

              Yes, this what what the mystery article said.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              That is what I read!

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          The guess was that Miscavige thinks he can just wear Laura out time and resource wise. But still, tony said he was “surprised” he allowed the folder materials to be delivered. Some of us were at the ready with something stronger than “surprised”. We Sea Ogres learned a thing or two about doing the impossible with no to little resources, breaking records and timelines that were impossible to meet, while being mentally and verbally flogged, little sleep or nutrition,.

          I am taking a good guess that Laura has a whole team of former tech savvy Sea Ogers who will make up “The Great Archaelogical Dig of the 21st Century” team and probably already hard at work. Laura specialized in this kind of thing in fact among other skills.
          Anything missing or falsified or messed up Will Be Found. Dumping on a CD might make it take a little longer and probably was why it was done that way, but it won’t stop a might team of Ex’s.

          This means a precedent has now been set. I can’t wait for the legal minds to help all who are interested know what this means. I feel a brand new tsunami forming on the horizon.

          • MissCandle

            Thank you, Hole, for confirming my info. I am exhausted now. But thank Xenu I read quickly and have not had my evening toddy yet.

      • stateofcircle

        Wait a minute… SCIENTOLOGY refused an offer to pay LAURA off in favor of releasing the folders? That seems VERY fishy to me…

        • Espiando

          No, not really. Since all of their obfuscations haven’t worked to this point, it’s time to “always attack, never defend”. Combine that with the still-active “Not one thin dime for Wollersheim” mentality, and them rejecting a settlement seems natural. Remember, they settled with Debbie Cook only because Debbie had already dropped some bombshells that embarrassed the organization and had a nearly-full stock in the bomb bays. The PIs had info that could have directly embarrassed The Dark Lord Chuckles The Silly Piggy. Laura, on the other hand, doesn’t. In their opinion, that is. They really don’t know, or care, about the souring of public opinion that’ll come with the forced abortion issue.

          • Missionary Kid

            Not caring about the souring of public opinion is going to be one giant dickbullet. It will lead to a bunker (not this one) mentality.

            • stateofcircle

              It just doesn’t sound like them though. DM needs to control EVERYTHING, especially the sanctity of the {tech}. Because Laura didn’t agree to keep the documents privileged or whatever, they can potentially be released. His is that not incredibly damaging and so, so, so many levels?

            • Espiando

              But The Dark Lord Chuckles The Silly Piggy has one trump card up his sleeve: everyone knows GAT 2: Electric Boogaloo is about to be fully released. All he needs to do is issue an HCOPL (or magically find one in the Hubtard Shitpile that no one’s noticed over the last fifty years) that will allow for PC folders to be released to {parishoners}. Now it’s Command Intention which will be cheered by the whales. Remember, none of them know about Laura’s suit.

            • Espiando

              If “bunker” doesn’t describe Int Base right now, what word does?

            • BuryTheNuts2

              NO SHIT!

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Did you say “dickbullets” I just HAD to google to see what came up.

            • Missionary Kid

              Yup. I got the term from Bella. Instead of shooting oneself in the foot, DM shoots himself in the dick.

          • stateofcircle

            But do you think that, assuming the folders are legit, it would be extremely damaging to them? And opening the floodgates for other members to take legal action to get them? It may only be in California, but Ca has the highest concentration of Scientologists. Or perhaps the folders just aren’t that bad? I just find it strange that they would allow a massive amount of confidential and very possibly damaging information released like that, as well as the potential for scores of lawsuits in it’s wake.

            • Espiando

              Here’s the mentality I think they have: this is little nobody Laura Dieckmann with a state lawsuit. There’s going to be no major press coverage where their whales might possibly read it over their morning shit, especially in LA, where they still have the papers in their pockets. If it was Lisa Marie Presley in federal court, it’d be all over every newspaper in the world and every news and entertainment show in the country. No one who matters is going to care.

              We care, true, and the combined efforts of Exes and Anons will try to spread the news as much as possible, but the whales are already cotton-wooled on the Net from “entheta” like this, so they won’t hear anything about it.

              If the money spigot isn’t threatened, or if The Dark Lord Chuckles The Silly Piggy isn’t personally threatenend, it’s not a threat to them.

        • Observer

          Indeed it does

        • MissCandle

          Mike Rinder opined that Laura and team would have to print everything out and reconstruct the files. I am just reconstructing from memory what I read. But I DID read that — about settlement being rejected by COS.

    • MissCandle

      According to what Tony O posted at 19:00, she DID get her folders on a CD! HER team presented an undisclosed amount for which they would settle. Shortie DID NOT settle.

  • BuryTheNuts2

    We have a hive mentality here at the Bunker that make Scions look like amateurs!
    EAT THAT DAVE!!!

    • DeElizabethan

      Hear, hear!

  • BuryTheNuts2

    OK, It has obviously been yanked for a reason.
    I am going to calm down now.
    Ok, everyone join me in meditation………..Ohm…….
    Fuck it. Not working.

    • FistOfXenu

      Kick back young lady. Have a boiler maker or 3 and wait til Tony posts some thing here for us. 😉

      • BuryTheNuts2

        Too late…I am deep into the Moscato bottle!!!

    • Spackle Motion

      The link is stuck in an electronic incident.

      • BuryTheNuts2

        ^^^ Loves!

      • Missionary Kid

        I’ve cut and pasted it to this thread.

    • Captain Howdy

      I will join you in medication.

      • BuryTheNuts2

        I may have to do a mix myself…shit already!

  • SH chaos
  • Michael Leonard Tilse

    It’s like a bunch of junkies looking for their next fix and the pusher didn’t show up with the goods. In a good way.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Yeah, Tony’s probably looking over his shoulders doing his best “Sheeeesh” imitation.

      • BuryTheNuts2

        No shit.
        I bet he wishes sometimes he could sell us all on ebay.

        • Espiando

          On one hand, his little cult must exasperate him. On the other hand, he probably has a ten-foot boner right now regarding the fact that he can generate so much attention with his writing.

          • BuryTheNuts2

            If I had a dick…I would definitely have a boner over this kinda cray cray.!!!

            • MissCandle

              We do, don’tcha know?!

    • Captain Howdy

      It’s never in a “good way” when the “Man” doesn’t show up with the “stuff’..just sayin.

    • Espiando

      Not as good in that exact vein as this. Reed and Bowie together…

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4VEXl4vsq4

      • BuryTheNuts2

        Oooh….I just flashed on that movie ‘Velvet Goldmine”…..

      • Michael Leonard Tilse

        Nice…

  • Missionary Kid

    Here’s what you aren’t able to access:

    Scientology Turns Over Documents, Laura DeCrescenzo Begins Process to Review Them

    After failing with multiple appeals to the California and U.S. Supreme Courts to prevent it, today the Church of Scientology complied with a lower court order and turned over 18,000 pages of documents to former church employee Laura DeCrescenzo.

    She will now begin a process of reviewing the electronic files to see if they’re complete. The church, meanwhile, has asked the U.S. Supreme Court for a writ of certiorari to review the court order, but that may take many months and odds are against the court even considering it.

    DeCrescenzo first filed suit against Scientology in 2009 after working as a member of its “Sea Org” for twelve years. She’s alleging that she suffered a number of abuses during that time, including a forced abortion when she was only 17. She has now been handed a huge trove of documents from her confessional “pc files” which may help bolster her case.

    For weeks, as we’ve been covering the drama of the church fighting tooth and nail not to turn over this evidence, we’ve heard from readers who say they assume the evidence will have been tampered with or will be missing large amounts of information if the church ever turned it over.

    We wanted to point out something about Laura DeCrescenzo’s job as a Sea Org employee: For six years, she was an Investigations and Evaluations Director, and it was her job to inspect such files for their completeness.

    If anyone can tell if there’s something missing from Laura DeCrescenzo’s files, it’s Laura DeCrescenzo.

    As DeCrescenzo begins the process of inspecting the documents, we have to admit to being very surprised that the church actually turned them over.

    Especially, it turns out, when there was an offer for settlement on the table.

    We’ve learned that during a June 13 status hearing in the case, Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Ronald Sohigian asked both sides if a settlement was possible, and suggested that he could appoint a “settlement judge” to conclude the case. (This hearing occurred after the California Supreme Court had refused to consider Scientology’s appeal, but before the church applied to the U.S. Supreme Court for an emergency stay, which was denied.) DeCrescenzo’s attorney told Sohigian that her side had made a settlement offer, but it had been rejected by the church. The church’s attorney did not take up Sohigian’s offer for a settlement judge.

    After four years of litigation, and after the expense of failed petitions to California’s appellate and supreme courts, the church still didn’t want to cut a check to make the case go away. And now, it has turned over the evidence that it fought so hard to suppress.

    In October, Sohigian has scheduled a hearing on Scientology’s motion for summary judgment. Is the church so confident that it will have the case dismissed then that it believes it can endure whatever publicity results from what is in those 18,000 pages of evidence it turned over today?

    For an opinion on that, we turned to a man who once helped oversee Scientology’s legal strategies, former church official Mike Rinder. We asked him first about Laura’s ability to spot tampered folders, and then about the church’s outlook.

    The thing about pc folders is it is very difficult to “lose” pages. There are so many things that cross-reference. Every session has to be recorded on a “folder summary” in the front of the folder, and these are all handwritten in sequence. You cannot just erase reference to one without it being noticed. Every page of each session is sequentially numbered. Every session has an auditor report form on the front of it that says how long the session was and what was done within it. Every session has a “C/S.” There is a “program” for every auditing action done and that is on another piece of paper. There are “Folder Error Summaries” that note specific points within specific sessions. A trained person can spot the inconsistencies — and remember it isall handwritten. When you erase something there is a space on the page where it should have been.

    They are making it harder by turning this over on CD rather than hard copy. Laura is probably going to have to print everything out and reconstruct the folders so they can be properly reviewed.

    As to what the church is thinking — they have a lot more to lose in this case than just the pc folders. They have another horrible precedent in the Court of Appeals concerning equitable tolling and the utter worthlessness of all the “agreements” they get people to sign when they leave the church. I suspect they believe their only hope of salvaging this case is to wear Laura and her lawyers out. Right now Laura is kicking their butts every time they turn around — it is not a good time for the church to settle. They are hoping they can outlast her. I am sure they do not believe she will agree to a confidentiality agreement, so a settlement is worthless to them. They would rather keep spending money with the hope of winning a war of attrition than give in and have things remain with the rulings that have already come out of this case. In fact, as I consider this, I think they would probably ask as part of a settlement for some weird thing like a joint motion to the California Supreme Court to make the equitable tolling decision unpublished and somehow limited to apply only to this case. And with Laura on top there is no hope of even considering such a thing. So they will keep fighting. Miscavige will never admit defeat. If he cannot get what he wants, he will just keep going beyond all reason until there is no other option (see Wollersheim).

    ——————–

    Posted by Tony Ortega on July 2, 2013 at 19:00

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Thank you.!

    • MissCandle

      MK, how did you do that?

      • RICO Suave

        He’s a Gold Deluxe member of the Bunker

        • Missionary Kid

          No, I don’t deserve that. I’m glad I could help.

      • Missionary Kid

        I just copied and pasted it.

    • PreferToBeAnon2

      Thanks MK!

    • FistOfXenu

      Thanks MK.

    • sugarplumfairy

      Thanks, Kid!

      • Missionary Kid

        You’re VERY welcome. It’s about time I did something to help you All-Stars.

        I was lucky to get on the site early. You guys deserve all the credit.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Have a virtual shirt….you earned it tonight. We were climbing walls ….

          [IMG]http://i42.tinypic.com/30ivwk0.jpg[/IMG]

          • Missionary Kid

            I’ll wear it proudly, especially since it came from you. You’re another one of the All-Stars.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              If I’m going to be on the team, you should…I dribble, and not in a good way.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Falls over…

          • DeElizabethan

            Absolutely Luv It!

          • PreferToBeAnon2

            denise (old larry) brennan!

        • sugarplumfairy

          glad somebody loves me..

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            Okay, here’s a shirt for you too, customsied: Volunteer SugarPlum (SP for short)

            [IMG]http://i42.tinypic.com/30ivwk0.jpg[/IMG]

    • Espiando

      “The thing about pc folders is it is very difficult to “lose” pages.”

      The same thing is supposed to be true about web pages, but, somehow, this place is able to manage it.

  • Michael Leonard Tilse

    In reply to Kitz and BuryTheNuts2; And now for something completely different:

    • BuryTheNuts2

      SWEET!
      MOAR, FOLLOWED BY MOAR!!!

      We will also need axiom # 4 day-ta….

      • Michael Leonard Tilse

        Size matters:

        • BuryTheNuts2

          So, so wrong man……………..

          • Michael Leonard Tilse

            What?!!! You don’t like my nose ring?

            • Kitz

              LOL! You are having waaay to much fun with this.

          • Kitz

            Hehe… Always make sure you REALLY want to know before asking. 😉

            Both of us live in the “y’all just ain’t right” universe, soooo….. yeah. 😀

        • Kim O’Brien

          i am so sexually confused right now …not sure why ….plus i am thinking about that guy from forever ago who painted a face on his hand and did an entire bit about it ..like forever ago …”it’s good ? si ..it’s good ” …who was that guy ?? !! Captain Howdy …help a sista out …he was like on Jack Parr or Ed Sullivan or something …this is creepy on more than one level

    • BuryTheNuts2

      MLT…seriously…
      MOAR
      BurytheNuts@gmail.com
      send moar with info.
      I need a couple of pieces and Mr. Nuts and I both are modernist minimalist.
      Plus, I can figure out a way to use it for a Bra hanger (just kidding)

  • MissCandle

    Meanwhile, back at the ranch . . .

  • FistOfXenu

    Well boys and girls, waiting around with you all is fun but Mrs FOX and I are going out for some pizza and a beer or 2 and maybe a late jazz club or a romantic drive. That’ll give Tony plenty of time to get this fixed.

    Oh yeah, good night

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      please take us with you

    • BuryTheNuts2

      have fun FOX. Tell Mrs fox hi.

      • FistOfXenu

        Sorry I missed all the requests for pizza and things. It was delicious but I guess you don’t need to know that. Mrs FOX says hi back. Glad to see we got the other page back – plus the new 1!

    • PreferToBeAnon2

      hey, bring us back some pizza! we tried to send Capn out for some last night, but that was a FAIL!

      • BuryTheNuts2

        It only failed because you refused to gaze on the Feshbach alien spawn!!!

        • PreferToBeAnon2

          you bad, stop restimulating my engram!

  • Missionary Kid

    Tony’s posting of July 2, 2013 at 19:00 isn’t accessible right now, so I’ve posted in on this thread.

  • RICO Suave

    Ummm…. I think we are on track for a new record with nearly 800 comments here… I think Tony’s old record was 900? Am I remembering that correctly? I think it was back at the Voice.

    • RICO Suave

      Shit, nevermind, new post went live 30 seconds after I posted this

    • BuryTheNuts2

      1100+ I think once….

      • RICO Suave

        Was that Bunker or the Voice?

  • BuryTheNuts2

    Its back

  • MissCandle

    NEW POST IS BACK UP

  • Jason Barclay

    Wow thank you everyone for your awesome comments! I love editing these videos and glad you like them =D.

    • media_lush

      As a former pro I would like to put forward a suggestion to make them better; the main difference between an amateur video and a professional one isn’t the quality of the image, use of tripod, framing etc it’s sound. Most decent cameras nowadays have the ability to add a separate mic so, ideally, a boom with a pro mic would be ideal (but expensive), however, a laval or clip mic can be bought for as a little as $20 or so and clipped to the persons collar, shirt etc and will give a much richer sound. The onboard mics that come with cameras are designed to capture as much sound as possible so always give that ‘amateur’ echo. If your camera doesn’t have a separate mic connection then connecting the clip mic to a handheld recorder will still give you the rich tone and can be synced with the edit software quite easily.

  • pronoia

    Off topic but holy moly. Check it Mike Rinders blog. Apparently, Tom cruise “allegedly” assaulted tommy Davis. Who was responsible for firing anyone who fucked up in the Cruise household. And more. Would love to know if any of this had anything to do with the disenchantment of Katie Holmes.

  • skippress

    From everything I’ve been able to find out (not that I’ve heavilly investigated it), Lafayette Ronald Hubbard continually suffered from a limp dick and played with it a lot – so since he spent so much time with that tiny lump in his hands, he probably got the idea for all that clay.