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The Scientology Method: Drill, Baby, Drill!

DictionaryClaire Headley is taking us on our journey to train as Scientologists. She and her husband Marc were Sea Org workers who escaped from Scientology’s International Base in 2005. She spent years working with Scientology’s “tech,” and was trusted to oversee the auditing of Tom Cruise. Go here to see the first part in this series.

Claire, after all the study tech and word clearing and memorizing of Scientology slogans we’ve already gone through, you’re telling us that we have even more to endure?

CLAIRE: Well, next is “Method One Co-Audit,” and it’s where you’re paired up with another person. You then audit each other on Method One word clearing. The “end phenomena” (or EP as it’s called in the world of Scientology) is the recovery of one’s education. We can run through the steps of the process. And after completing Method One word clearing and Student Hat (which we’ve already covered) you are now a “Fast Flow Student.”

THE BUNKER: Please tell us that means we get a big certificate to take home.

CLAIRE: As you can see, status and labels are already becoming quite dominant at this point.

THE BUNKER: You’re only as good as your last success story, apparently. Well, Claire, please take us through this course.

CLAIRE: So the steps of the Method One Co-audit course are:

— Study the theory, which includes a repeat through the barriers to study and HCOB Blow Offs, where Hubbard states his theory that the only reason someone leaves Scientology is because of overts and withholds, and prior to that, misunderstood words.

THE BUNKER: Again with the idea that if things fall apart, it’s our own fault.

CLAIRE: That’s right.

— Next you practice the auditing procedure with an E-meter, a doll, and a coach. The coach holds the cans and a doll, and you practice the steps of Method One word clearing by doing it on the doll. You practice with a doll because practicing on a person could “wreak havoc on their case.” That’s Scientology-speak for throwing someone into a mental spin, if that makes sense.

THE BUNKER: Make sense? Sorry, this is supposed to make sense? Since when?

CLAIRE: Try to keep up.

— Next you team up with your twin and you each audit the other on Method One word clearing. This consists of the following: Let’s say I’m the co-auditor and my twin is holding the cans. the first step is for me to “assess” or read off a long list of subjects that the person has studied. this list is pre-fabricated, and then added to, to make sure it’s a complete list.

Any subject that reacts on the E-meter is then addressed. For example, let’s say there was a reaction on math. I’d then ask “In the subject of math, what word has been misunderstood?” and that’s continued over and over again.

I was twinned with a Spanish lady named Cecilia, and I did this course at Valley Org, which at the time was located in North Hollywood.

It took us about two months to get through the course, studying 12.5 hours per week. The cost is around $1,200.

THE BUNKER: Here’s a description we found in a Method One checksheet: “Clearing commands, on a doll. Coach answers for the doll and holds the cans. squeezing the cans to simulate reads. The student clears the commands ‘Do fish swim?’ and ‘Do birds fly?’ On any flunk, the coach shows the student the exact LRH reference violated. The drill is passed when the student has demonstrated he can standardly clear commands, keeping accurate worksheets.”

Is this the first time the E-meter comes into use? Judging by the checksheet, there seems, as in the past, to be a lot of review of previous courses. Again and again you’re getting the training routines and study tech drilled and re-drilled. At some point, did it ever frustrate you that so much of this stuff seemed to be a review of previous material, but at ever more expensive prices?

Up_The_BridgeCLAIRE: Yes, that’s one of the drills I did.

And yes, it was so frustrating to have to do the same things over and over again. Even more so in later years, since Golden Age of Tech, for example, is a re-do of all courses I’d already done and now needed to do over.

And yes! This is the first time you use an E-meter in Scientology training.

Personally, the cost of Scientology training and auditing was part of the rat race that led me to join the Sea Org, since Sea Org members get training and auditing for free. At age 13, with my parents completely broke from Scientology I couldn’t see any other way I’d possibly ever get trained as an auditor and “OT,” both of which I was being heavily pushed to do by my parents.

In fact, while I was on the Method One co-audit, I received a “case consultation” where they interviewed me on the E-meter and then told me what the cost would be for me to go Clear. My tab came in at $50,000! And I believe that’s cheap compared to what people have ended up paying more recently.

THE BUNKER: The repetition, you have pointed out before, is a key part of the conditioning that keeps a Scientologist in good standing. But we’re also struck at what mind-numbing work it looks like. Looking up words in dictionaries, making clay models, reading and rereading Hubbard policies. During all this drudgery, were you having any “wins” or “gains” that we hear so much about? You have said that you had to write success stories to continue, but were there any genuine feelings that you were on a journey to unlock the secrets of the galaxy? It’s hard to see that happening when the work seems so mundane. Or are we wrong about that?

CLAIRE: Yes, we’ve talked about this before, and I’m sure we’ll talk about it again as we progress.

For me, personally, it was absolutely mind-numbing. There were moments I felt I had wins, but whether those were real, or whether they were from the feeling of relief of making it through the checksheet or course, I’m not sure I could really tell you.

I remember many times going through a checksheet at the outset and “assessing” what the damage would be — how much was repeat, what drills I’d have to do over, and so on.

Certainly at times I felt better able to communicate with people, and felt I could learn any subject. But sincerely, I think I would have made it there without Scientology. And I would have had much less resultant baggage. I think I would have benefited more from a decent education than I ever did from Scientology.

Someone once asked me if it occurred to me that perhaps it was easier for Marc to leave and wake up because he never went through all the training and auditing I did. And I really do think that has a lot of truth to it.

It took me so long to even be willing to extrapolate my own thoughts and feelings versus the “now you’re supposed to” lockstep instructions, it still boggles my mind in many ways.

COST THIS WEEK: $1,200

COST SO FAR: $4,325

 
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Turns Out We’re Just a Psych Front

Karen de la Carriere, J. Swift, and the Angry Gay Pope reveal the true financial backers of the Underground Bunker in their latest video…

 

 
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  • Patty Moher

    Big Pharma is behind the Underground Bunker?! This is news to me, I always thought it was financed by SMERSH. I need to contact my handler fast!

    • FistOfXenu

      Does this mean we get paid TWICE? Better and better!

      • ParticleMom

        $100/day? X2? Yes please!

        • Poison Ivy

          I’m actually hurting right now in the pocketbook department. Where’s MY big pharma check?

    • SMERSH is financed by Big Pharma through an offshore account.

    • The video below contains the current info required to submit to BigPharm’s HR department. A retro payment for services rendered requires codebook KFC-G(reasy). *note1: if you are no longer in possession of said code book, you must re-register at yout local SMERSH office. *note2: Chanology was originally setup as a front group to isolate BigPharm from any conection of harassment towards Scientology. http://youtu.be/lhvk9gkX6nM

  • jensting

    “Barrier to study” indeed. As is so often the case with teh mind-fuck perpetrated by teh criminal organisation known as the “church” of $cientology, the scam seems like an involved confessional joke which only Hubbard got.

    While it’s easy for those of us who were never in to sneer at this, it must be disheartening to be a teenager and being told that Hubbard spew is always right. And after the disheartening comes the self-hypnosis induced high, and the victim is hooked for good.

  • Observer

    That video is most enlightening, but it has left me with one question: where’s my cut of the Big Pharmacy $$? Generating entheta in the face of Bodhi Elfman’s super powered OT theta postulates is hard work!

    All that deadly dull repetition makes it easier to see how the conditioning begun in the TRs is further cemented. It’s bad when it’s done on willing adults, but filthy evil when inflicted on innocent children. Claire, you’re a miracle.

  • FistOfXenu

    Big Pharma’s supposed to pay us? I’ll be able to afford our vacation to the Bahamas after all? Right! Who do I write to for my money?

    • A number of years ago I got into a rare online discussion with a Scientologist (rare because the amazing gains of being able to handle any situation are so fragile they can evaporate by discussing your beliefs with non-believers), and I was accused of being paid by the drug companies. What I want to know is where do I sign up for that?

      • FistOfXenu

        Well, sounds like we’re already on the payroll and didn’t even know it.

        • So that’s where that fabulous new pool in the backyard came from! The blue plastic is just stunning, I really must write them a thank you note.

      • Captain Howdy

        Some of the dopier scilons on YT use to actually accuse us of being paid to protest, troll the web. VaLLarrr would just accuse us of being slacker out of work druggies..meh

    • Sherbet

      Doggone, I can’t watch the video at work (no sound on my computer), and I want to send my vouchers in for payment. Do we get paid by the post or by the comments or what?

      • FistOfXenu

        I think Tony takes us out for a big dinner a couple of times a year and on a summer cruise every summer. And he’s setting us up with bank accounts someplace where we won’t have to pay tax. I guess he has to consult with John P about the best way to do that.

        So Tony when’s the cruise scheduled for?

        • Captain Howdy

          “So Tony when’s the cruise scheduled for?”

          Soon as Carnival figures out how to get the Costa Concordia floating again.

          • FistOfXenu

            Too bad! I was counting on that cruise this year so I could put our vacation money to a new car.

            I feel sorry for Tony. There’s nothing worse than being Big Pharma’s bagman when you’re depending on a middle man.

          • VickiStubing

            I’ll have my Daddy (Captain Stubing, doncha know) get right on that.

            • Captain Howdy

              Try to see If Captain Stubing can have her ready by summer so we can challenge the Blue Asbestos to some racing.

            • VickiStubing

              I doubt we would win–the threat of chain lockers and overboarding are probably better motivators than daiquiris and JohnP’s bikini-clad models.

          • RMycroft

            Costa Concordia owner asks court for victim status in deadly shipwreck off Italy’s coast
            http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/04/15/costa-concordia-owner-asks-court-for-victim-status-in-deadly-shipwreck-off-italys-coast/

            LOLWUT?

            • Captain Howdy

              So they’re gonna sue themselves? Rolf! There’s an Italian joke in there somewhere but I’m not going to make it..

            • FistOfXenu

              ROLF, Captain? Isn’t that some kind of woo woo massage? And heavy duty barfing? 🙂

              The Italian joke probably isn’t a good idea. We already have LRH’s pseudo mafia hating us. We don’t need to annoy the real thing. Oops…

        • Sherbet

          Never mind John P. cos can give some tips on not paying taxes.

          • FistOfXenu

            But would we want to ask them? And would we trust them?

            • Sherbet

              If we were to convert this to the Church of the Sacred Bunker, we’d have that nice tax exemption, too.

            • FistOfXenu

              I like how you think! Hey Tony, how about it? And you could declare us all “ministers” in your religion and license us to perform mockeries and spoofs on $cientarCONon. And then every thing here would be covered by the Constitution.

            • Sherbet

              We have the Angry Gay Pope dropping in on occasion, richelieu is already a cardinal, Missionary Kid was a missionary…I’m thinking we’ve already got some clergy lined up…Hmmm…this could work.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Can I be an Angel?

              Yeah, I couldn’t even say it with a straight face.

            • Sherbet

              Yes, you can, but we understand there will be occasions where the devil made you do it. Whatever “it” happens to be.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              I will just wear black on my dark angel days.

            • FistOfXenu

              There’s a line I haven’t heard in a few decades. How’s your Flip Wilson imitation, BTN?

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Killa!!!

            • grundoon
            • BuryTheNuts2

              gRUNDOON…SERIOIUSLY?

            • BuryTheNuts2

              No seriously…I think I just fell deeply in love with you!!!

              oh manohmaohman..I love me some cowboy junkies…first in a while from them. AHHHHH

            • grundoon

              Saw them do this live on their first US tour… ran out and bought the cd

        • Sherbet

          Whenever the Freewinds gets back into port.

          • BuryTheNuts2

            The MS Freewinds is currently in port in Willemstad, Curaçao.
            With a hull that looks like a washboard.

  • FistOfXenu

    Don’t want to miss the chance to say another thanks to Claire for this series.

    I can’t help thinking how sick it is to use a kid’s toy like a doll or like colored clay in $cientology. Wonder what’s it like to be watching your kid just being a kid playing with a doll or with clay and remembering how $cientology used them to screw up your mind? Do you just see a doll or clay or do you remember and think about how bad it would be if your kid was in the cult?

    • ParticleMom

      Double down arrows! LOL!

      • FistOfXenu

        WOW! I really am honored now! I haven’t felt this powerful since I rickrolled us all. I’ve been doubled down. Hit both, dealer.

        Dear $cientology troll, thanks. We can measure ourselves by who hates us. The fact that something as evil as $cientology hates us here in the Bunker and sends you here to do your ineffectual A to E tells us we’re doing the right thing.

        By the way, the “Xenu” myth told by LRH is part of a whole machine of horseshit to control your mind, and the cult is using it to get all your money and enslave you. Please, leave $cientology now while you’re still alive and sane and have some of your life left. We’ll be here to help you when you’re ready.

  • FistOfXenu

    Really? Is Disqus really gonna do this? A moment ago it said 6 comments and now it says 5? Already? Bah!

    • Observer

      Bodhi is postulating again!

      • BuryTheNuts2

        FUCK BODHI!!!!!

        Edit: And FUCK JENNA!

        • FistOfXenu

          No thanks.

  • It very well may be that Claire learned to communicate better with people, but one has to ask, “What else?” The question I like to ask Scientologists these days is: “It’s very good that some people learn to communicate better or stop abusing drugs through Scientology, but can you name any tangible, verifiable gain from Scientology that IS NOT available through any other means?” If you don’t allow abstracts like “being in comm with the MEST universe” and they observe the current advice not to talk about “OT abilities” (which aren’t verifiable anyway), they’ll realize they don’t have anything unique to offer.

    • FLUNK_101

      “can you name any tangible, verifiable gain from Scientology that IS NOT available through any other means?”

      I had some fantastic experiences being audited. I would say yes, there are things you can get out of auditing that you can’t get anywhere else. But I think you could say the same thing about meditation or legitimate psychotherapy. They were all different experiences for me.

      • Missionary Kid

        Remember that you experienced them at different times and in different stages of your life, so you were a different person.

        You might well have realized that you had good experiences because you expected them.

        • FLUNK_101

          No. When I first started in Scientology, I was also interested in seeing a shrink. I was at a mission , not an org, and, at least for a while, no one objected to me seeing a shrink while I was on course. Back in the 1970’s, shrinks didn’t have the medicines they have today. I liked the “Self Analysis” co-audit because it elevated my mood. But it doesn’t correct your thinking they way a skilled therapist can. Remembering pleasant experiences in an auditing session definitely elevated my mood! It may have made me feel better, but it’s not the answer to everything they claim it is.

          • Missionary Kid

            Remembering the pleasant experiences was just a way to suck you in. They were grooming you, just like a pedophile does to potential victims.

          • Spackle Motion

            Psychiatry has come a very long way since the 70s. It really only took off once the study went from psychotherapy to evidence based therapies.

          • Poison Ivy

            Drugs and booze can make you feel better, too. But they don’t solve your problems or correct your faulty thinking in the long run.

            • FLUNK_101

              Thank you Poison Ivy for your wisdom.
              Prior to Scientology, my favorite drugs were hallucinogens. The shrink I was seeing knew a lot about LSD because he was involved in some clinical studies from the 1950’s. After I became clam, this shrink went on become the president of the APA … as far as Scientology was concerned, he told my parents he was glad I’d stopped taking drugs …
              As I continued with my auditing, I thought that it was just another way to “trip.” For a time, I believed that if Scientologists would just try some ‘shrooms, they’d find exactly what they were looking for!

            • Poison Ivy

              We all want a way to tune out of life stresses; we all want to “find the answers.” Now that I’m older (ahhhh!!) and somewhat wiser, I realize that negative feelings are there for a purpose (you gotta get through them to find it out, though…can’t just wish them away)…and there are really no “answers” that anyone else can give you. Advice, guidance, wisdom, but not answers. You can’t hire someone to make the rules of your life – particularly inner life – for you. Which in essence Scientology does. You’re abdicating your own natural path through life for someone else’s definition of what that path should be.
              It’s like Glinda the Good Witch always says, “You always had the power, all along.”

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Wow,Fucking WOW….Yeah PI.
              You can’t hire someone to make the rules of your life – particularly inner life – for you. Which in essence Scientology does. You’re abdicating your own natural path through life for someone else’s definition of what that path should be.

              It’s like (Glenda) the Good Witch always says, “You always had the power, all along.”

              I was just getting ready to argue and then I realized..You got the power!!!

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Seriously PI…you are Impressive!

            • FLUNK_101

              … 🙂 …

            • Poison Ivy

              Quite a compliment, BTN2. Especially from coming from your sharp-witted keyboard.

            • FLUNK_101

              What you said about acknowledging and dealing with our negative feelings reminded me of the subconscious. Our conscious thoughts are just the tip of the iceberg, and it pays to pay attention to our feelings.

            • Poison Ivy

              True.

            • Midwest Mom

              Whenever I’ve spoken to a person who has a terminal illness, their desire is always to live the rest of their days to the fullest capacity that they can.

              They focus on the important things: the people in their lives, their faith, receiving the best medical care and treatment available, and not wasting a precious second of their final days.

              Some people live more fully in their final days than they did when they were in their prime. They aren’t seeking an escape from reality; they’re seeking more reality.

            • FLUNK_101

              Thank you Midwest Mom. Reality, after all! That’s inspiring, I think because these people are dedicated to getting the most out of life. Dedicated people are always an inspiration to others. Thanks.

            • Midwest Mom

              Thanks! If you happen to have the book, “I want to Grow Hair, I Want to Grow Up, I Want to go to Boise” by Erma Bombeck at your local library, it is sure to effect you in a significant way and also a very positive way, as well.

              It’s difficult to be stoic and brave when you’re not sure if your child is going to make it. You feel like your world is crashing down, but life goes on for others around you the same as always.

              This book shows how children can teach us a lot about living and also appreciating the important things in life. 😉

            • FLUNK_101

              I’ll check it out!

    • FLUNK_101

      “can you name any tangible, verifiable gain from Scientology that IS NOT available through any other means?”

      I had some fantastic experiences being audited. I would say yes, there are things you can get out of auditing that you can’t get anywhere else. But I think you could say the same thing about meditation or legitimate psychotherapy. They were all different experiences for me.

    • Sidney18511

      Here is a great write up by an exscientoligest explaining that Scientology just doesn’t work.
      https://therealaskthescientologist.wordpress.com/2013/02/23/scientologists-what-exactly-works/

      • FistOfXenu

        Brilliant article. Shows how $cientarCONon uses language to con members with an old fashioned shell game.

    • Ms. B. Haven

      I have had ‘wins’ with scientology auditing. I have also taken part in some new age practices that are verified groups that have splintered off scientology splinter groups. I have talked to a therapist and I now practice meditation and do yogic practices. I have had ‘wins’ doing all of these other practices. Even without the $$$ consideration, I would NEVER pick up some e-meter cans again.

      To paraphrase a Tibetan master, “insight comes easily, stability takes a long time.” I believe that to get anywhere with any practice you choose, you have to stay with it for long periods of time. There are no tangible gains in scientology, maybe just a few fleeting insights at best. The mechanics of the system (con) keep you coming back for more and more because it is YOUR fault that your ‘gains’ keep slipping away. It’s a clever trap. Deadly. It is the world’s most successful con.

      • Poison Ivy

        “insight comes easily, stability takes a long time.” so true of life

        • FistOfXenu

          I don’t think the Demented Midget’s gonna make it.

  • sugarplumfairy

    $100 a day? Tony, you’re being underpaid, big time.. Want us to start bombarding Eli Lilly with emails on your behalf? I say hold out for at least $500 or $600 a day.. They have deep pockets..

    • richelieu jr

      100$ a day? No wonder he can afford The Stonewall!

      • FistOfXenu

        But as John P explained (I think it was John P) the Stonewall is really a pretty economical place. But yeah, he should hold out for a lot more. Tony’s doing so much damage to $cientarCONon’s empire day after day they should be giving him bonuses on top too.

    • dbloch7986

      I was thinking the same thing. Although in defense of drug companies worldwide, I spend $10 a month on two prescriptions with insurance. Without insurance it’s like $24.

  • Sherbet

    “Mind-numbing” is the word of the day. How does anyone sit still (and pay) for this repetitive baloney? I know; it’s a rhetorical question. They do, and they have, because they believe it’s the Only Way to Freedom.

  • “For me, personally, it was absolutely mind numbing.” was Claire’s comment on ‘Method One Co-Audit’.

    If I’d been subject to this nonsense I would have added ‘utterly boring’. It’s such a pity she wasn’t getting a real education at that age instead of this ersatz simulacrum of learning.

    Repetition and rote learning have a useful place in education, but in the arid world of Hubbard-think there’s nothing else.

    Encouraging critical thinking, original ideas and the sheer enjoyment of learning were clearly anathema to Ron’s vision of how his acolytes should be trained, though fortunately there are some like Claire, dauntless, defiant and resolute who refused to be crushed into the Scientology mould.

    Andrew

    • Sherbet

      Exactly, Andrew. There can be such joy in learning something new. I wonder how someone who suffers from panic attacks or similar emotional issues can force himself to stay put for this routine of repetition and dullness.

      • Poison Ivy

        “Encouraging critical thinking”…yes, Andrew…this critical thinking stuff would’ve pretty much stopped Scientology in its tracks. That’s why it’s the first human ability that’s GOT TO GO.

        It amazes me when I read stories of Claire, Jenna, Marc, etc. etc…kids who were trained NOT to have critical thinking so they’d be good robots but who nevertheless knew in their GUTS that there was something very, very wrong. It’s interesting, isn’t it? Even when they try to drive the common sense out of you, SOME very strong, very special people still have the basic instincts to know when they’re being sold a bill of goods. Even if it does take them years to break out of the trap…at least a part of them KNOWS they’re in a trap.

        Good for you, Claire! You are really an amazing woman.

        • Casabeca

          I so agree with this! And there is no shortage of thinkers for me to learn from at the Bunker! We can start a critical thinking revival :).

          • Poison Ivy

            Tony Ortega’s Bunker: “Critical Thinking R Us”
            “Get Ur Critical Thinking Here!”
            “Come for the LULZ, Stay for the Critical Thinking”
            (Bumper sticker concepts. Feel free to add your own!)

            • Rebecca

              My order in on it’s way tout suite!

      • ParticleMom

        I can’t even imagine someone with ADHD trying to do that. It would lead to anxiety/panic attacks.

    • Still_On_Your_Side

      It always enrages me that cults like the church insist that young people don’t need college because they can learn everything they need from the cult. Then those young people scrub toilets while the cult spends millions on lawyers and fawns over professionals like doctors. The inconsistency and hypocrisy is maddening.

  • sugarplumfairy

    One of the docs here just asked, if you have an in with Eli Lilly, can you can get him some free Cialis?

    • BuryTheNuts2

      Ewww….why did I just think of Grant Cardone?

      • Captain Howdy

        Subconscious desire most likely.

        • BuryTheNuts2

          I will come to Boston and hunt you down!

          • FistOfXenu

            You’ll be playing into his hands.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Mmmmm….you have a prescient point!

        • i-Betty

          Lol!

      • Sherbet

        I thought of Creepy McFeshbach embracing the fecund Kannon, with that “See what I did at my age?” look on his face.

      • Sherbet

        I thought of Creepy McFeshbach embracing the fecund Kannon, with that “See what I did at my age?” look on his face.

        • Observer

          Omg omg omg unsee unsee unsee

        • Observer

          Omg omg omg unsee unsee unsee

        • FistOfXenu

          Ah Sherbet, what did we do to deserve that?

          • Sherbet

            I think ED treatment, and I picture Fishy Feshbech. I’m sorry, Fist and Observer.

            • FistOfXenu

              No problem Sherb, I’ll just stick this nozzle in my ear and spray my brain with fire extinguisher foam.

            • Observer

              I’m gonna need something stronger.

            • Sherbet

              I won’t do it again, I promise. We can’t have everyone sticking fire extinguishers into their ears.

    • grundoon

      Sorry, they’re stockpiling the Cialis for LRH when he comes back, so he can get off the ‘roids. But can we interest the doc in some psych drugs?

      • Midwest Mom

        It won’t do Hubbs much good, since he’ll very likely be for a newborn baby girl!

  • Captain Howdy

    I get paid by Big Pharma in product. The Psychs write the scripts and Germany pays me in beer.

  • Phil de Fontenay

    “I think I would have made it there without Scientology. And I would have
    had much less resultant baggage. I think I would have benefited more
    from a decent education than I ever did from Scientology.”

    This is a very good point Claire. I was thinking about this recently. All the years I spent training and “moving” up the ranks over 20 years, I would have been in far better shape if I had been meditating for this long. Richer too!

    The Church of Scientology is just a big rip-off! Period!

    Phil de Fontenay

    • monkeyknickers

      And if you DO continue drilling up Miscavage’s bridge, you get to be like this:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCGm8mgScLE

      • stillgrace

        That’s so funny, I’m laughing like an OTVIII!

        • FistOfXenu

          Just don’t start laughing like TC and jumping on couches and laughing insanely and pointing The Tooth at people.

        • Sherbet

          I never know if I should feel sorry for George or laugh at him. If he’s the result of scn, I don’t want it.

          • BuryTheNuts2

            oy vey…good point

        • monkeyknickers

          Actually he looks a little like Bert here. As in, Bert and Ernie. 🙂

      • I just love that video. The performance is so … vivid. For some reason I’m recalling being in 3rd grade in school, and getting the full brunt of an anti-cigarette education, with the pictures of cancer and emphysema-riddled lungs, the laryngectomy patient with the cig stuffed into the end of his breathing tube, the amputated limbs from obstructive pulmonary diseases … you get the idea.

        Now, you could take this video, clearly and truthfully labeling it the pinnacle of Scientology spiritual achievement, and use it as a prophylactic, for susceptible seekers, against the temptation to give Scientology a try. It’s a powerful message.

      • Still_On_Your_Side

        Very pathetic and frightening. His entire conversation was a one way script. His entire defense of Miscavige and the CoS was in lingo, and he had no idea he wasn’t communicating. He expected the listener to be frightened of OSA, and he actually believed the protesters are paid (by Big Pharmacy probably). He walked away believing he had ripped the other guy to bits, and he had no idea that his behavior was illogical and bizarre. This is a guy who will go down with the ship and never question why fish are swimming around his head.

        • monkeyknickers

          It’s a major disconnect, for sure.

      • Phil de Fontenay

        Ha ha! The worst part is that those idiots feels this is “confronting” and good TRs ~lol

        Showing the insanity that IS the Church of Scientology 😉

    • DodoTheLaser

      Thanks, Phil. It means a lot to hear it from someone who reached OT VIII.

      Stop by more often, your insight is always appreciated.

      Same goes for Geir Isene and Michael Pattinson.

      We know you are reading The Bunker! 🙂

  • RMycroft
    • SciWatcher

      It might have been lots more fun if they had also invented led figures.

      • RMycroft

        They clay demo it.

    • richelieu jr

      That bear is totally out ethics.. i can smell it!

      • VickiStubing

        I think he has some honey stashed somewhere he’s hiding from the regs.

        • SHOW ME THE HONEY!!!

          • FistOfXenu

            From Policy Letter, “Keep Bearintology Working (KBW):
            MAKE HONEY
            MAKE MORE HONEY
            MAKE OTHERS PRODUCE SO AS TO MAKE MORE HONEY”

    • Amusingly one of the most popular memes on the net at the moment is “confession bear”.

    • Captain Howdy

      So I get double teamed by a couple of cute clams if I go in for a stress test?

      • Missionary Kid

        Naw, they’re just the routers.

        • FistOfXenu

          I could’ve made that work when I was younger.

          • Captain Howdy

            Dude, we work for Big Pharma. We do have the Technology.

            • FistOfXenu

              I wasn’t thinking that far ahead. When I was younger I could’ve picked them both up. Now they’d have to be into older looking men or I wouldn’t stand a chance without facial reconstruction. But come to think of it nowadays if I did take them both home I’d need the pharma-tech.

              That ring just screams “viagra compartment” doesn’t it? 🙂

      • grundoon

        They’ll break your heart and make you write bad checks.

        • FistOfXenu

          And then they’ll hand you over to some thuggish reg officer that looks like Michael Corleone’s bodyguard and shouts at you “Give us the money Jack! GIVE US THE MONEY!” and drags you to the hole in the wall.

    • Scientology’s relentless expansion in Russia continues as is obvious from this photo of the course room in the Moscow Org with the Teddy’s queuing for service:

      ‘Scientology – the world’s fastest growing religion for teddy bears!’

      http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/4515/ottenki-serogo.a2/0_67d22_d3b8e4b3_orig.jpg

      • Captain Howdy

        HEY! SCILONS
        LEAVE THOSE BEARS ALONE!

        • Jgg2012

          Is that a face crime?

        • Rita Gregory

          Lol!

      • Midwest Mom

        Those poor bears thought that they were going to play the game Battleship, but found out the hard way that they were e-meters, instead. I would be bummed out too if that happened to me.

    • grundoon

      The coach loves to push the button for a “rock slam” and send the bear to the RPF. She dresses her “Reno Bear” in a black boiler suit and makes it run everywhere.

    • ParticleMom

      What is that crazy keyboard the blond is using?

      • stanrogers

        Speak & Spell???

  • RMycroft
  • BosonStark

    It must be difficult to be forced to be forced into the Sea Org at an early age, with no choice.The high fees involved in reaching Clear are the incentives and part of the trap for the parents and kids.

    If Scientology were free or very low cost as people went higher up, they would lose interest or wouldn’t be trapped by sunk-cost, debt, or by the fallacy that because people pay so much, it’s got to be worth it.

  • California

    Has anybody else seen this report about the Scientology Applied Scholastics International Headquarters becoming a Nation of Islam singles retreat?

    http://howardroark31.wordpress.com/2013/04/29/scientology-applied-scholastics-international-headquarters-becomes-a-nation-of-islam-singles-retreat-named-camp-kiswah/

    • Captain Howdy

      Holy shite! If that’s not a sign the cult is failing I don’t know what is. A NOI singles retreat and it ‘s only $250? Where do I send my money?

      • RMycroft

        Keep in mind that NOI doesn’t believe in premaritual or even recreational sex.

        • Captain Howdy

          But there will be a shooting range?

          • FistOfXenu

            Yup. A shooting range instead of an oiliness table.

            • Poison Ivy

              If it’s a singles retreat, it definitely needs an oilness table.

  • California

    And another Applied Scholastics story, this won involving Clovis School District in California giving $50K to AS:

    https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/applied-scholastics-to-get-50k-in-2012-2013-in-clovis-school-district-california.110371

    • Crap. Last thing kids in podunk central CA need is their education (aka ticket out) screwed up Scientology.

  • BuryTheNuts2

    Drill, Baby, Drill!

    Great…I have a dentist appointment today!

    • On your Birthday? That wasn’t good planning.

      Best wishes anyway!

      Andrew

      • BuryTheNuts2

        It’s only my birthday in Oz. I still got till tomorrow here in the US.
        And Thank you very much Andrew for the warm wishes.

        • Captain Howdy

          Andrew wishes you a happy birthday and you call him an Australian?

          • BuryTheNuts2

            Oh shit, …New Zealand!
            Go Lucy Lawless!

            • Observer

              Oopsie!

          • Don’t worry – I have my TR’s in and am totally at cause over women.

            ……………

            “Andrew.”

            “Yes dear.”

            “Why is the list of jobs I thoughtfully stuck on the refrigerator door for you to do getting longer not shorter?”

            “Um….well dear, I have been thinking about doing them.”

            “Thinking about them is not the same as doing them!!!”

            “Yes dear.”

            Andrew

            “It’s a tough universe. The social veneer makes it seem mild. But only the tigers survive – and even they have a hard time.”

            ‘Keeping Scientology Working’ – L Ron Hubbard

      • Captain Howdy

        Birthday! Thanks Andrew….muhahahahahaha

    • Captain Howdy

      HA-Haw!

      • BuryTheNuts2

        Evil!

      • Poison Ivy

        Is it safe?

    • RMycroft

      Is it safe?

      • BuryTheNuts2

        Heck yeah….I practically got a DNA sample!
        Not a Sciloon.

      • *snort* We had a Chiropractor at a safety meeting yesterday and I almost tackled him to check for a Scion Stamp on the bottom of his foot, or wherever they brand them.

        • RMycroft

          Evil Overlord #104. My undercover agents will not have tattoos identifying them as members of my organization, nor will they be required to wear military boots or adhere to any other dress codes.

  • Missionary Kid

    SHOW ME THE MONEY!!!

    • VickiStubing

      HA! Last night the kids were fooling around in the car, and big brother says to little brother, “Help me to help you!” And little brother hollered “No more Tom Cruise!”

      • Missionary Kid

        I actually laughed out loud at that one. I get to start the day with a smile.

  • Captain Howdy

    I remember Hubbard talking some really insane stuff in a lecture about thetans being trapped in dolls on other planets or something..

    I was just reading a transcript of the lecture about “The Helatrobus Implants”. WOW that’s the craziest one I’ve read..so far.

    “Everything working. “Wantably, fantasticably, catfishably” and pow — it’s working.” Yowsah!

    • Observer

      That explains the TC nutter video; he was channeling Source.

    • Missionary Kid

      That’s almost as bad as my sister being convinced that cats are possessed by devils in her weird-ass fundamentalist Christian beliefs. (The origins of that one comes from the Middle Ages, but she doesn’t realize it).

      • VickiStubing

        Wait–you mean that isn’t true? Now Imma hafta give up my Tuesday night BBQ, er, I mean exorcism ritual of the neighborhood strays.

        • Missionary Kid

          That could be catastrophic if you continue.

          • VickiStubing

            The thought of giving it up makes me catatonic.

            • Observer

              Great–a concatenation of punsters …

            • Missionary Kid

              The only thing more evil than Co$: a punster.

          • FistOfXenu

            Don’t let the ASPCA catch you.

        • Oh, don’t worry. The Chinese restaurant down the street will pick up the slack.

      • Captain Howdy

        So you’re a member of the Crazy Sister Club also?

        • Missionary Kid

          I started to make a wise-ass comment that I’m the Crazy Brother, but there’s no way I’m that crazy.

        • VickiStubing

          There are plenty of us here, sad to say.

        • What do I get for having two of them? (And I’m not entirely sure about the other four.)

          • Captain Howdy

            You receive the coveted “Palme d’Slappy”

            • Ooooooh. I have the perfect place for it. Upside my sister’s head.

            • RMycroft

              With Hubbard’s occult roots, shouldn’t there be candles on the fingers?

      • Casabeca

        I have met so many kinds of Christians, but this is news to me. Can you tell us more? I know Islam is anti-dog.

        • Missionary Kid

          You have to realize that my sister has gotten into some weird corners of fundamentalist Christianity, including, but not limited to Jews for Jesus type movements. I don’t ask any more, and she doesn’t bore me with details.

          The belief is definitely not mainstream, but it was a part of the beliefs of the Pentecostal church she was involved with in the San Fernando Valley several years ago. It had her and her ex-husband believing that cats had evil spirits in them. Knowing how wacky that some breeds like Siamese can be, I can see where someone superstitious might interpret their erratic behavior that way. There’s also the superstition about black cats.

          I traced the belief that cats have magical, and, since all magic is by definition, evil, powers back to the Middle Ages. Googling [cats evil “middle ages”] gets you to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_depictions_of_cats Read the section under Middle Ages.

          My crazy sister isn’t a Jehovah’s witness, but just Googling [cats evil Christian] got me this one: http://www.towerwatch.com/Stories/are_cats_for_christians.htm from a Jehovah’s Witness website.

          These are not mainstream beliefs.

          Read the section under Middle Ages.

        • Missionary Kid

          It’s not mainstream by any means, but something that came out of some preacher. It is a belief that was also held in the middle ages.

          It is a superstitious way of explaining cat behavior.

  • Hang your head in shame Jeffery Augustine. You are a gold digger

    • TonyOrtega

      What a quality human being you are, Le Unc.

      • dbloch7986

        The most ethical being on the planet!

    • Bodhi? Shouldn’t you be picking up Jenna latte?

    • BuryTheNuts2

      And your an Ass!

    • dbloch7986

      Who is Jeffery Augustine?

      • Truthiwant

        Karen’s husband, I think.

      • Captain Howdy

        J Swift in the video.

      • He’s Karen de la Carriere’s husband. Religiousfreedomwatch.org is continuing straight down and vertical with a bunch of hate pages up on Independent Scientologists which is a bizarre, stupid and useless exercise.

        I wonder who ordered that weird attack?

        Andrew

        • 1subgenius

          I dunno, but its kind of misplaced here don’t you think?

      • Sidney18511

        Yeah…who the hell is Jeffery Augustine?

        • BuryTheNuts2

          Karen’s husband.

          • Ze Moo

            If religious freedom watch is to protect all religions, why are only anti-scientologists pictured and libeled? Oh, dopey me, I keep forgetting cognitive dissonance …

            • FistOfXenu

              And in $cientarCONon all other religions are implants and false.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Mr. Nuts says Implants are false too.
              But I think he is just trying to make me feel better.

            • FistOfXenu

              As soon as I hit the post button I realized somebody’s bound to pick that up. I say your husband’s a smart guy. 😉

            • Captain Howdy

              If I were Emperor, implants would be illegal.

    • Captain Howdy

      I looked at your previous comments and you seemed OK. What’s the beef?

      • sugarplumfairy

        Yah, i did too.. He left too soon..

        • FistOfXenu

          Is he the 1 down arrowing us? Just wondering. That would keep him too busy to answer if he’s also doing yesterday

  • Even the instructions on how to pair up are un~readable . Scientology is just ridiculous in every possible way .

    • Ze Moo

      Pair up with a doll?? What, no zombies available??? Just another ‘do it Lroons way or else’ brainwash.

      • Captain Howdy

        You have to feed zombies

      • FistOfXenu

        So did LRH invent co-auditing after a heavy weekend with a blow up doll? I can just see it, his wife walked in and he needed to explain himself fast.
        RON: “It’s not what you think Mary Sue. I’ve been coming up with a drill to teach people how to audit without wreaking havoc on their case. That’s important you know! Finally I figured it out – let them practice on a doll! So I’ve spent the weekend figuring out the best way to practice auditing and working the cans to get reads and all the rest. I think I’m almost there!”
        MARY SUE: “Oh right Ron, I understand now. Great idea! Now wipe that doll off and shower and get dressed. We’re late for dinner”

        • Ze Moo

          That sounds weird enough to be true history.

        • Sherbet

          Oh, gosh, I’m laughing out loud!

          • FistOfXenu

            Happy to oblige ma’am.

  • Ms. B. Haven

    “You’re only as good as your last success story”

    Well said Tony. I would also add that you are only as good as your last ‘reg cycle’, recruitment cycle, ethics condition or IAS status. When the money runs out you are thrown under the bus with an empty purse and the ‘wins and gains’ you once had, have somehow vanished into thin air.

    • Truthiwant

      There’s a big difference. This guy goes home with a banana. The Scientologist goes home with nothing!

      • dbloch7986

        I was gonna say the same thing!

      • Sherbet

        I’m not sure that’s a banana. It has that Rastafarian thing going on with the hat and the dreads, so it may be something else entirely.

        • FistOfXenu

          But definitely not a Big Bean’s.

    • Captain Howdy

      OMX!, He’s definitely scientology material plus he’s from New Hampshire.

      • Sherbet

        He has no money left, Howdy. scn doesn’t want him, or his big banana.

    • grundoon

      Henry Gribbohm blew his life savings of $2600 on a carnival game. He won a big stuffed banana.

      At a Scientology store, the same $2600 would buy the Purif (assuming he could scrape up another $500) or a single 12.5-hour intensive of auditing (if he shelled out an additional $4176), at 2001 prices.

      Anyone here who was PES or D of P? What would you program for a new public with $2600 life savings?

      • Maybe the banana is stuffed with Niacin?

      • Hey! That banana had cool dreads. It was a happenin’ banana.

    • ParticleMom

      To be fair, he was trying to win an X-Box. Why spend $299 at Best Buy when you can win one at the carnival?

  • Truthiwant

    As a public, studying Scientology, I thought that I could use the data to do better
    in my job and in life. This, however, was not the case and it was only when I was half way
    through the PTS SP course that I realized that everything that was being
    studied had only one end, Scientology. The only reason you study Scientology is
    to be a Scientologist. At that point, I made some excuses to the course supervisor,
    left Saint Hill and went back home. This, actually was the beginning of the end
    of my time in the cult.

    • Poison Ivy

      You’re lucky you got out so relatively easy.

  • dbloch7986

    Hey Karen,

    I love the videos you do! They remind me exactly of how my ethics started out. I can’t wait to see it get meaner. It always starts out saying, “We are your friends. We just want to help you. We know better than you.” But then it turns into something evil.

    Ethics is really just reinforcing the programming that you learn in your “training” through coercion.

    Claire,

    I can’t even tell you how many hundreds of hours I spent on TRs. You always have to do those stupid TRs. And the “restoring your education” EP of Method 1… Well let’s just say if you read how Scientologists write and even their promotional pamphlets, there is a distinct lack of education.

    You don’t really know ethics until you’ve heard them tell you that your car was probably stolen because they think you had gay sex. Yes my dad questioned me on my sexual history because my car was stolen, as if the two were somehow connected. In front of my mom and sister no less. After he threatened to tell the police that I stole it from him because I didn’t want to come home and get…well get questioned on my sexual history in front of my mom and sister.

    • villagedianne

      Wait, whose car was it? Were you driving your father’s car?

      • dbloch7986

        Hi Dianne, long story short it was my car but in my dad’s name because the loan was in my dad’s name. But rest assured I was making the payments and I was the only one insured to use it and I used it regularly.

      • dbloch7986

        And my insurance was the one that paid for the damages because I was smart enough to get proper coverage, which also covered a rental car in the meantime before I got another car (which I insisted was in BOTH of our names).

        And in any event, it’s not those details that I’m talking about, it’s the principle of the matter. That is Scientology ethics. It’s all about intimidation, humiliation and coercion.

        • FistOfXenu

          Exactly. Like when a scumbag lawyer gets a rape victim on the stand and starts asking her what color underwear she was wearing when she was raped and if she was wearing perfume and if the perfume’s name is something seductive and didn’t that mean she was cruising for sex. $cientarCONon and scumbag lawyers are made for each other.

          • Poison Ivy

            That reminds me; long ago I survived a violent crime…a famous feminist (who’s now gone super right wing) with whom I happened to be working at the time asked me “What were you wearing” and “Why were you out that late?” (10 PM on a Thursday in a nice neighborhood.) A famous FEMINIST, mind you!! But being that I wasn’t a Scientologist, I was instantly pissed off and concluded she was simply ignorant and a fraud. And turns out she was. No one should have to blame themselves when they are victimized.

    • Truthiwant

      Many Sea Org members, unfortunately, have never been given the opportunity to read or
      study anything but Hubbard.

      I never enjoyed the visits to Saint Hill and of course it was only later that I
      realized why I was so unhappy. This is the control factor that Scientology has
      on you.

      One happy afternoon, however, was when we drove a few miles down the road to
      100 Acre Wood, literally 10 minutes from
      Saint Hill. A.A. Milne lived in a farm house in Hartfield and of course wrote
      the Winnie the Pooh stories there. Here we spent the afternoon playing
      Poohsticks on the original bridge over the small stream in the middle of 100
      Acre Wood.

      I can tell you, if Scientologists played Poohsticks instead of wasting their time auditing,
      they would be much better off in the world.

      Anyway, I returned to Saint Hill that evening and told a Sea Org member that I had been
      playing Poohsticks that afternoon.

      “Pooh what?” asked the Sea Org member.

      “Forget it”, I said.

      It’s so sad that a lot of the Sea Org members know very little about anything except Scientology.
      And what a sad subject that is.

      • BuryTheNuts2

        Oh, that is freaking magical! Totally cool.

      • ParticleMom

        Adding “Playing Poohsticks in the real 100 Acre Woods” to my Bucket List!

      • Poison Ivy

        Pooh Sticks…played them as a kid near the brook that ran by our house. Pure low tech kid fun; can keep you occupied for hours.

      • RMycroft

        It’s now officially called the Poohsticks Bridge. (This makes officials happy. No one else needed to be told.)

    • ParticleMom

      Wow, Derek. I am so sorry. Sounds like Westboro Baptist logic. You once again proved for me that
      no matter how bad you think CO$ is, it gets worse!

    • aquaclara

      sorry that happened, Derek. Sending you hugs and brownies here today, since we don’t have any fun cheery-up buttons here today!

    • Still_On_Your_Side

      Yes, most cars are stolen in the U.S. because of Gay Sex. Indeed, legalization of Gay Marriage is being taken seriously by law enforcement because it will mean the legalization of car theft.

      Derek, after seeing the”George” video, and hearing about the Gay Sex = Car Theft-theology, my head is spinning. People like George and your father haven’t just had their free will taken away, they have lost the ability to reason. Have no doubt, between you and your dad, you are the sane, moral man, not him. Hopefully, someday soon, you will be able to rescue him from that insanity.

    • Poison Ivy

      Breaks my heart to hear what you went through Derek. Every time. So glad you are here and sharing it all.

  • Ah, Karen. When I gaze upon your LA facelift and sweet, fatuous face, pronouncing doom upon some unsuspecting Scilon, I’m reminded yet again why I protest.

    Left-handed compliments aside, she does look pretty good for her age. And I love how she can make comedy out of what is probably sheer terror…

  • dbloch7986

    ‘Psych drugs’ are the best things ever invented!

    Well next to stuffed crust pizza.

    • BuryTheNuts2

      Derek, you are right! And they are also one of the most over prescribed!

      • BuryTheNuts2

        Oh for Christs sake….I am not saying anything that isn’t true!

        • Observer

          It’s not me!!

          • BuryTheNuts2

            Lol

            • Observer

              I’ve given a few fat-finger down arrows today, as I do every time I’m reading on my phone, but that wasn’t one of them. Plus I always take them back immediately.

            • dbloch7986

              I’ve done that before too!

            • I do that every time I’m on here, whether I post or not. I always feel so awful too! Lol

        • dbloch7986

          I’m confused, what’s happening here.

          • BuryTheNuts2

            By what, kiddo?

            Edit: and give me a slice of that pizza!

            • dbloch7986

              I just saw the down vote, now I get it. LOL It didn’t make sense until I saw that.

            • dbloch7986

              Also it wasn’t me either.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              At least it isn’t the clams….lol.

            • dbloch7986

              It could be them, just trying to throw you off by doing something that’s counter-intuitive. Big brother is always watching!

        • Observer

          I looks like someone has decided to teach us ALL a lesson! l am rofl!

          • Midwest Mom

            It looks like there’s someone who’s feeling a little down is pressing everyone’s buttons. I recommend Prozac!

            Fluoxetine, the active ingrediant in Prozac, Sarafemand and Fontex, may even promote the growth of new nerve cells in the adult brain, according to this study.

            http://psychcentral.com/news/2013/01/07/prozac-may-be-involved-in-creating-new-brain-cells/50116.html

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Fluoxetine is my friend 🙂

            • Poison Ivy

              Yes I wonder who is the down arrow wet blanket today. Some lurker who is pissed off, maybe?

        • It’s starting to feel like a badge of honor.

      • dbloch7986

        You can never over prescribe stuffed crust

        • Ze Moo

          Looking at the picture of Krustie Alley that is below, I have to disagree…..

          • FistOfXenu

            She’s got some kind of trailer trash look to her in that photo. And like she had so much stuffed crust she turned into stuffed Krustie. Not a good look for her when you add it to the attitude.

        • aquaclara

          Comment of the week!

  • Ze Moo

    I get $100.00 a day to post this? Not very cost effective. What if I am being stupid that day? Big Pharma has never cured any psychiatric patient? Clozapine has cured many chronic schizoid people and returned them to full function in society. Pity it is so hard on the liver and few people can take it. The CCHR is a joke….take drugs and talk therapy from professionals or exorcise your alien brain cooties?

  • pronoia

    Karen La Carriere! I think that she has finally figured out what she really needs to do to save the world — and she rocks that faux navy uniform!

  • Artoo45

    My PharmaLucre™ payment hasn’t shown up for April. I may stop posting until this obvious oversight is corrected. I am devoted to my Reptiloid Overlords, but a guy has to eat. All hail Lord Draconis Zeneca! Or at least friend him on Facebook.

    • Midwest Mom

      Check your Cayman account under “Electronic Deposit: Public Relations Payment”.

      • Observer

        Maybe *that’s* why I haven’t yet received my check. It’s stuck in an electronic incident. >:-(

        • FistOfXenu

          As long as it’s getting an implant of thousands of bucks, what’s the problem?

  • I’m not financed by “big pharma”, but I am a HUGE customer.

    • FistOfXenu

      So really, YOU’RE financing THEM?

  • Sidney18511

    The clams are blaming the NN raid on the phycs and the drug companies.

    • Sherbet

      Oh, yeah, it makes perfect sense for narcon to use nonsensical treatments, but, for heaven’s sake, keep real psychs and medical protocols out of the rehab business (she said, snidely).

  • Ze Moo

    Ever wonder how much the clams are paying for google advertising?

    http://www.vice.com/read/how-much-does-the-church-of-scientology-spend-on-advertising

    “In order to advertise on the first page of Google’s search results for
    Scientology-related searches, I would have to shell out a minimum of
    three dollars per click for “creed of the Church of Scientology.”

    Interestingly enough, whoever is advertising for Scientology-related
    keywords pays a much higher rate to appear when users Google things
    relating to cults, such as “is scientology a cult?” In fact, they are
    paying 70 percent more for that one, at a rate of $4.25 per click.”

    Some interesting links at the bottom of the article.

    • N. Graham

      Thanks-I’ll be googling “Is Scientology a cult?” every day. Send the Scilons the bill!

      • q-bird

        me too – I’m in!

    • SciWatcher

      So a question about this: if you click on the link then go back and click again and again, does it charge them each time?

      Also, that’s a really scary picture of T.C.

      • Observer

        Indeed. All I can see when I look at him are those teeth.

        Might as well earn those down arrows! lol

        • I’ll be hiding under my desk if anyone needs me.

          • Observer

            I can’t believe it hasn’t been down arrowed yet! Neither has Cap’n lovely photo of Kirstie. Weird.

            • Observer

              Maybe our downer isn’t a Tom Cruise fan. Sigh.

            • Captain Howdy

              Maybe our downer is D.M and he can’t bring himself to down vote the object of his desire.

        • BuryTheNuts2

          Alright. I had to do that one.

          • Observer

            It’s just not the same. *cries*

            • BuryTheNuts2

              🙁 sorry

            • Observer

              Thanks for trying. *sniffle*

        • stillgrace

          That is a wicked example of shoopness, Observer! Kudos.

      • You really shouldn’t do that or use this link [ http://proxy.org/proxy.pl ] to access a random proxy (new one every time you click) and insert the google ad link 🙂 That would just be wrong.

      • Ze Moo

        Google’s ad payment policy can ban multiple clicks from the same IP address, if the clicks are close in time. Clicking a 4.25 link every day should cost CO$ 1551.00 per year.

        • SciWatcher

          Excellent! Thanks for the info!

        • Poison Ivy

          Wait, seriously? Which link is it we want to click on to cost them money?

  • Wow! Disqus is updating so much faster today! Like 60 comments added in the last minute!

  • Sherbet

    What’s with all the down arrows? Is there a troll in the Bunker, or is somebody just messing with us?

    • Davka

      Every once in awhile when I’m on my phone and I try to click the “see more” link I accidentally hit the down arrow. Thinking charitably, maybe there are a lot of fat fingered iPhone readers?

      • Davka

        I take that back – there is a down arrow on every single comment. We have a spoiler in our midst.

      • MO Mom

        My fat finger has done that on occasion, when I miss the up arrow, being a one fingered texter. But I do correct myself.

    • Yea, just noticed! Got to be the latest “effective blow”. I can see them telling the ethics officer: “I spent an entire day giving down arrows to every
      Post on that SP’s Tony Ortega blog!”

      • Sherbet

        Oh, wow, isnt it working beautifully, too, Michael! All of us will suddenly vacate this blog due to an overabundance of down arrows, and scientology wins. What a coup!

      • Ze Moo

        They’re going to be spending 10k on sec checks in case they read any of the posts.

      • hogarthian

        lol!…. high 5’s and maniacal grinning all round!

      • Still_On_Your_Side

        I think one of the “downers” is George. He was so effective at destroying the entire Anonymous movement by throwing zingers in that video, OSA has hired him as a professional “downer.”

    • Captain Howdy

      Hey, down votes for everybody! Let’s see, who is the most likely suspect? Le Unc is that you?

    • Observer

      Shhhh … don’t tell them that down arrows on critical posts are a badge of honor in here …

      • Sherbet

        Here’s one for you, Observer.

        • Observer

          lol, and I gave you the up one.

          • Sherbet

            Thank you, and I returned the favor.

    • Midwest Mom

      I suggest that the down arrow person see one of the many fine psychiatrists or psychologists in his or her area in order to take the first steps to improving their life for the better!

      Midwest Mom’s Sponsored Comment is provided by the fine folks at: Big Pharma. The American Psychiatric Association, The American Psychological Association, The Association for Psychological Science, The World Psychiatric Association, and The International Neuropsychiatric Association.

    • grundoon

      As Ms. Down Arrow pauses to click every post, I hope her eyes linger to read a few. It will do her good. And it’s free!

    • Sidney18511

      I guess the trolls don’t know that the drug companies pay us DOUBLE for every down arrow.

      • As a mathematician I must point out that if they pay DOUBLE for *every* down arrow, then they are paying you 8 times the normal rate for that triply (so far) down-arrowed post!

  • I mentioned a New York Times piece yesterday that I would love to read as I can’t access it from the UK….

    “Yesterday’s New York Times Magazine ran a short feature pitting “disgraced former J.C. Penney C.E.O.” Ron Johnson against Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard. The Times said each man has his own “seminal work,” for example. Johnson’s seminal work was The Genius Bar; Hubbard’s was Dianetics: The Modern Science of Mental Health. Each also has his own “divine creator.” Johnson’s was Steve Jobs; Hubbard’s was Xenu”

    as a mac fanboy I’m intrigued about a Xenu/Jobs comparison ….

    • They do these mock contests every week

      Ron Johnson vs. L. Ron Hubbard
      Category: Disgraced Former CEO vs. Author / Church Leader
      Empire: J. C. Penney vs. Church of Scientology
      Seminal Work: The Genius Bar vs. Dianetics
      Not a fan of: Coupons vs. Psychiatric care
      Divine Creator: Steve Jobs vs. Xenu
      Divisive public advocate: Martha Stewart vs. Tom Cruise

      WINNER: L. Ron Hubbard

      • not being able to read it enturbulates me greatly

    • No one reads the New York times here? ….. I’m disappointed.

      Could someone at least go to the National Enquirer link and just copy the text and post it here [or screengrabs] …. strangely the Enquirer site is banned in the UK http://www.nationalenquirer.com/celebrity/hills-are-alive-sound-xenu-south-park-kingpins-plot-scientolo-musical

  • BuryTheNuts2

    Yippee down arrows for everybody. Cheers!

    And no, it wasn’t me!

    • Sherbet

      Whoever did it has a high threshold of boredom. Entering all those down votes had to be about as exciting as spending an hour coloring in Little Orphan Annie’s eyes.

      • Captain Howdy

        Det. Howdy is on the job. The most obvious suspects are the 2 people who received a large number of down votes today due to untoward remarks made about Karen and her husband. Case closed. I am genius.

      • Observer

        A sure sign of someone who has received Hubbard’s training!

        • Sherbet

          “Vote down!” “Thank you.” “Vote down!” “Thank you.”

    • FistOfXenu

      I feel so honored! Each down arrow is like a silver star.
      Hey! Now I have more medals than Liar Ron Hubbard! We all do! yeehaaa!

      • Sherbet

        It IS an honor. Zuzu says: “Every time I get a down arrow, an angel gets its wings.”

        • hogarthian

          lol!

        • Oh God, do I vote this up or down? If I vote it up does an angel LOSE it’s wings?

          • Sherbet

            That’s a good metaphysical question, Gayle. How may wingless angels can dance on the head of a pin? I say, Go for it, but keep looking up, just in case.

            • Maybe, for every up vote a step disappears from the bridge?

          • aquaclara

            Every time a clam gapes, a squirrel earns its wings.

            • *checking out window for flying squirrels* I shall love him and hug him and pet him. And name him Marty.

            • aquaclara

              “BAM.” *sound of squirrel hitting said window*.
              That would be the flying squirrel with the slightly bad sense of direction.
              He’s flying straighter now.

        • Poison Ivy

          “Every time I get a down arrow, an angel gets its wings.” Classic.

        • Is that the daughter of George Baillie?

          • Sherbet

            Ha! The “other” George Baillie (Bailey). The sane one. The Jimmy Stewart one.

    • Ms. B. Haven

      I’m pissed. I only got 1 down vote. There’s gotta be more than one troll out there to add more down votes. Fer christ sakes, if you can’t round up some help from yer buddies in the ethics waiting room, at least use yer imagination and create multiple disqus accounts and get with the program to start a down arrow flame war you degraded downstat. And while you’re at it, get busy down arrowing past posts here at the Bunker so you have half an chance to get those pathetic stats of yours above non-existance. No wonder you are in lower conditions. The more down arrows the more enturbulated we will become. Deliver and effective blow. Bring on the pain. Keep down arrowing at the Bunker so you won’t have time to harass innocent disaster victims with TWTH tracts.

      • FistOfXenu

        I’ve got some extras Ms. B. Haven. You can have some of mine if that helps. We gotta share the love. 🙂

        • Ms. B. Haven

          Thanks man, I’m all for sharin’ the love FOX…
          I’ve got 5 now and feel a whole lot better. I don’t want to be greedy but if anyone else wants to hit me with a nasty ol’ down arrow, feel free. I’ve got enough British ancestry to enjoy a good spanking!

      • aquaclara

        Excellent comments, Miss B. I am so glad the one who is soon to be in lower conditions is preparing for his or her new life. Beyond 2pm on Thursday, that is.

  • hogarthian

    LOLLAGE! Someone’s been indulging in a festival of down-arrowing this afternoon!

    • Observer

      And they’ve been coming back and getting new posts, so yours is forthcoming.

      • Sherbet

        Wouldn’t it be funny if it turned out to be Tony, and he’s sick and tired of all of us?

        • SciWatcher

          Hahahaha!

        • BuryTheNuts2

          Now that is fucking funny!
          Maybe he and Sweeney had more beers and decided to be funny for teasing them about their ManDate!

        • Observer

          I do sometimes wonder what Tony thinks of the detours the comments often take. lol

          • Sherbet

            Me, too.

            • Captain Howdy

              ssssssh..speaking of which, Foxy Knoxy is on the tube tonight. Somebody remind me at 10 to watch.

            • Sherbet

              I’ll try.

            • Captain Howdy

              Thanks.

            • sugarplumfairy

              Lol..

            • BuryTheNuts2

              CH? which way do you lean on her?
              I think she got fucked….but that is just me.

            • Captain Howdy

              At first I was convinced she was guilty of being involved somehow, but now it’s like 50/50. She’s on with Dianne Sawyer at 10.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              I think he pours a tall one and laughs like hell….JMHO

            • Sherbet

              I hope so!

      • hogarthian

        YAY! there it is! Phew. Christ…. there are SO many things you could get paranoid about in the bunker 😉

      • stillgrace

        On the “Need-To-Get-A-Life Meter” our down-voter is rock slamming!!

  • Captain Howdy

    Votedown, here you go boy!

    • hogarthian

      She always looks so….. so, errrrrr…… happy, and well adjusted, and, well, nice?

      • Captain Howdy

        She’s what I believe you guys call a “boiler”.

        • Captain Howdy

          LoL apparently VD has more than one account now or has help..

          • But still managed to miss that one!

          • FistOfXenu

            We’ve got social diseases here now?

        • hogarthian

          I really couldn’t say one way or the other Cap’n…… I don’t comment on the physical appearance of my fellow women, apparently. 😉

      • FistOfXenu

        Also so refined looking and ladylike if you can forgive the old fashioned word.

        • hogarthian

          Hey, I’m a sucker for a bit of old fashioned. Just ‘cos I believe myself to be a ‘strident’ feminist, doesn’t mean I don’t like the door held open for me (I know, it confuses the shit outta me too). 😉

          • FistOfXenu

            You can’t imagine how that screws with my mind. And I don’t even have to be in $cientarCONon.

            • hogarthian

              Welcome to my world FoX!

            • FistOfXenu

              You SAY welcome, but how do I know you won’t just start shouting “F*** off, you male chauvinist pig!” as soon as I walk through the door? Or even just hold it open for you? 😉

            • hogarthian

              You don’t…. and there beginneth the mindfuck!

            • FistOfXenu

              Should I just shoot myself now and get it over with?

            • hogarthian

              Hell no! …. and deprive me of the pleasure?!

              Typical male selfishness 😉

            • FistOfXenu

              Typical whiny feminist harridan 😉

              (This could get silly. Should we stop and shake hands?)

            • hogarthian

              FoX!!…. I’m kidding!… It’s all good here! 😉

            • FistOfXenu

              So am I. But I bet there are some old hot buttons in some of these cliches. 😛

    • Observer

      I wonder if it’s bob 74 exercising his constitutional rite to ecclesiasticalness.

      • hogarthian

        I’ll hazard a guess that Bob’ll be on here shortly, imploring us to understand how difficult it is for him, oops, I mean for the ‘down-arrower’, to see how brainwashed he, oops!… I mean the down-arrower, is. And that we should all be patient with him. 😉 Except I don’t think it’s him… not his M.O.

      • Poison Ivy

        Down arrows are an ecclesiasticalish rite.

    • q-bird

      Oh Captain my Captain – i am loving this photo & sentiment.

    • She should go back on drugs. Even on meth she would look better! Ok, maybe not meth. I see enough of that coming through the ER.

  • 1subgenius

    Posting in epic down arrow thread.

  • hogarthian

    “Paging Down-Arrower, party of one. You may want to up your down-arrow delivery tone, you’re not making yourself understood”

    • Spackle Motion

      They are doing yesterday’s post too. They sure will be busy trying to do their A – E by rating down every comment in every post since inception.

  • Dear Downer,

    Freeloader debt is not legal. Xenu was a scapegoat. L.Ron was out of his stinking mind and made it all up. The front door is the way to total freedom, just don’t let them catch you trying to use it.

    Oh, and Jenna’s still waiting for her latte. It had better be hot when it arrives.

    • ParticleMom

      I hope you are reading and thinking about the posts you are down-arrowing. Please write up KR’s so you don’t get in trouble when you get sec-checked. And we will be here with open arms when you finally get out!

    • Spackle Motion

      Meh, it’s getting close to Staturday and someone wants more than rice and beans.

      Whoever is doing this is also doing it to yesterday’s comments too, and I’m sure they will be busy with each day if that’s their plan. I will get a great laugh if they actually are able to do the Narconon Raid post that has about 500 comments.

      • Ze Moo

        Someone is going to have a sore mouse finger…..

      • Poison Ivy

        It’s kind of funny, actually. Boo hoo, I’ve got a down arrow. Like that is going to give less credibility to the blog? Sorry kids. Tony’s blog is here to stay, and you can’t keep the Bunkerites down.

      • Still_On_Your_Side

        And there are only two of them. A person can click only once. If there were more than two, there would be higher numbers of dislikes. Is there a point to someone, or some two, spending hours clicking the down button?

        • There are three apparently, but it could easily be three sock puppets of one person (Le Unc / Bob74 / the “Bob” who is not our Bob)

    • FistOfXenu

      Thanks Gayle. It’s true, I was a scapegoat. I’ve lived with the burden for countless ages and it’s been worse since Liar Ron Humptydumpty decided to make me his cosmic bad guy.

      • Anyone could see that you were clearly innocent in all that. What’s a benevolent dictator to do in the face of a madman?

        • FistOfXenu

          Thanks. It feels good to be understood. 🙂

  • stillgrace

    If we all started to down-vote all our posts, our down-voter would not have much fun!!

    • FistOfXenu

      I think you almost got an idea there stillgrace. But then how do we down vote the cult trolls when they say some thing really obnoxious that needs a down arrow? If it wasn’t for that I’d say let’s use a down to mean 2 ups.

      • stillgrace

        FOX, What I was thinking was this: if we shared the task of down-voting comments until most of our comments have, say 5-10 down-votes each, it would totally nullify weirdo’s down-vote. I’ll volunteer, I had a life today, and don’t mind wasting a few minutes now. If I down-vote and you down-vote, then we’ll have 3 down-votes. Just for today, I mean.

        I concede that I may have worked a bit too hard today, and may be operating without all my marbles.

        • FistOfXenu

          But still, what about when we want to do a real down vote? What do we do for that?

          EDIT: for example look at le Unc on today’s post. Got 15 down votes all deserved. Your plan would be fun if it didn’t make a mess.

          • stillgrace

            Down-votes don’t count, just for today! Except for le Unc, of course. (Creepy bastard.)

            • FistOfXenu

              I hesitate to make chaos here stillgrace. There’s this saying when I was a kid, I’ll paraphrase it as “you don’t take a dump where you eat”. If we all agreed to it nobody’d be put out by it. It’d be like a food fight. But this way’d be like busting up Tony’s bar or some thing. 🙂

            • BuryTheNuts2

              I agree…but I do admit I downvoted Observers Yugly tom cruise.
              it was that tooth.!!!

            • Sherbet

              I looked closely at TC’s picture — and, believe me, THAT took some fortitude — and I think the tooth isn’t so snaggly, but the nose lists to starboard. Either way, there’s still some facial crookedness going on.

            • Observer

              It’s not snaggly, but it is way off-center.

            • Sherbet

              When TC was young, he was hunky. He’s still attractive at age 50. But NOT when he smiles. Yuck.

            • Observer

              I have never found him attractive, even before he was a clam.

            • I imagine if Tony was concerned he’d arrange to track down the IP addresses of the perpetrators and block them, then remove all the down arrows.

              But perhaps he has more important things to do, after all, his ‘Stats Day’ is every morning at 7 am ET and presently his stats are in screaming affluence!

              http://www.skeptictank.org/handlars.htm

              “If you imagine 40-50 Scientologists posting on the Internet every few days, we’ll just run the SP’s right off the system. It will be quite simple, actually.” Elaine Siegel. Office of Special Affairs International 1996

              Word clear ‘simple’ Elaine.

              Andrew,

            • FistOfXenu

              1 other thing. Genuine down votes from $citrolls are a badge of honor like real war medals. Giving them to ourselves spoils that.

        • Midwest Mom

          Down voting our posts on purpose actually makes the Sci-bot think that they are controlling the site’s comment section by posting their negative votes and therefore any additional down votes makes them think that others disagree with our comments just like they do.

          They’re hoping for a reaction from us, and they’re getting it.

          Actually, their down vote is like a dead mosquito on the outside of a window. You notice it, but it doesn’t change the course of history.

          Ignore them. Don’t give them them a “win” by letting them think that they are handling us.

          • Captain Howdy

            You’re right, it’s internet 101 “don’t feed the troll”. I’m all done with this no life loser.

            • Midwest Mom

              Your comment made me think of this song from the Little River Band. Have you heard about the lonesome loser? He’s a loser, but he still keeps on trying.

              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5KWI71s3DY

            • Captain Howdy

              I’ll listen to it soon as I’m done rocking out to The Damned

            • FistOfXenu

              True Captain. But can’t we catch 1 in a net every once in a while and poke it with a stick? 😛
              Except for that MWM is right.

          • stillgrace

            There is no “win”for the down-voter here, no matter what we do. Down-vote, up-vote – it doesn’t matter, in my opinion. No win for trolls. Who really cares about an obvious troll down-vote? However, I will accept the majority opinion and resist rampant down-voting!

            • Midwest Mom

              It’s funny, because you’re someone who usually doesn’t give down votes to people very often!

              I am picturing you in a Batgirl disguise (like on the classic “Batman” TV show) sitting behind a gigantic computer screen, down voting with a mouse that gives a sound effect like (((Boing!))) or a foghorn! 😉

              P.S. Nice stiletto go-go boots, Grace!

            • stillgrace

              I remember giving a down vote once. They deserved it. Batman is big in my house and my son appreciated the visual and auditory scenario!!

  • stanrogers

    I’m truly amazed at the powerness of the Tech! I’ve been studying math in a more-or-less serious way for some forty years now, and there’s stuff I run across in other people’s fields that I know would take me another forty years to “word clear”. If I’d’a known I coulda done it ALL for twelve hundred bucks in a couple of weeks, I’d have saved an awful lot of time and trouble. Why didn’t anybody tell me????

  • Sidney18511

    Don’t worry about the down votes folks. I just spoke to our contact at the pharmaceutical company and we get paid EXTRA for the downers!

    • Observer

      Woo-hoo!

    • BuryTheNuts2

      Sweet answer!

  • aquaclara

    I’m late here today – and starting to see all the down stat comments! Now I hafta go catch up on 280 comments to see who did it. My money is on Fake Bob. Or maybe scary fake Gayle.
    Back for more shortly, after I see what’s blowing up the Bunker today.

    • sugarplumfairy

      I think miscabbage prob left his pc on while he spent the day on gold base, yelling at people and assigning lower conditions to degraded beings, and his cat was playing with his mouse and lounging on his keyboard.. Just kitty coincidence..

      • aquaclara

        We got double-dinged here! Somebody …er…likes us.

  • aquaclara

    Well, that was an interesting and fun stroll through the comments today. The crazy down arrower person looks like they took a break for dinner. It’s been 58 mionutes.

    The bear jokes were funny. Claire’s, “Because practicing on a person could wreak havoc on their case.” Funnier. Good one, Claire. And I liked when you said to Tony, “Try to keep up.”
    And a special message for the down-stat crazy lunatic out there, you DO realize that every time you click back in here, it’s a BIG WIN FOR US. Right? You should’ve stuck to bears.

    • Karen715

      Maybe all the down arrows are someone’s idea of a gift for little Davey. It is his birthday, after all.

      • Sherbet

        Aw, what a sweet gesture.

        • aquaclara

          The troll likes you! 4 up, 0 down.
          Where did we say “snarky” was on the new TC tone scale? I know it was not at the corner of happy and lucky.

          • Sherbet

            Ha! Some people don’t get “snark.”

      • Is it really Davey’s birthday? We’ll have to think of something real special to give him…. a subpoena, maybe…

        • N. Graham

          He’s probably just getting up now anyways.

      • Captain Howdy

        It’s true! Why didn’t Tony have a special in honor of the Lollipop Kid? I bet it’s Turtlez doing his A to E trying to impress D.M

        • Poison Ivy

          We should have a Davey Birthday party here tomorrow.

  • sharon brown

    Guess I ‘ll add my 2 cents so the Downer has more work to do. Be sure to word- clear All comments before you down arrow it, you may actually Learn something ! And it’s Free !!!

    • aquaclara

      Sharon, we got a trifecta!

  • aquaclara

    Word clearing to learn math. Ikes.
    This reminds me of my Trig teacher in high school who was clearly wackadoodle. She gave us spelling tests in math, instead of the regular kind of tests you expect in math. The ones with numbers. The next semester, we heard that she was taken out of the classroom for going off the deep end.
    This was in Clearwater.
    It is just now coming to me why we must have had spelling tests in a math class. I am slow. Shheesh.

    • Except for the likelihood that yet another vulnerable person was driven insane by Scientology, that is a hilarious story. I didn’t imagine that there are Scieno math teachers infiltrating regular schools and giving spelling tests. The funny thing about being a Scientologist is that you get to adopt LRon’s way of being completely out of step with rational and normal procedure in the real world.

      • aquaclara

        This particular teacher also thought she was Jackie O. I was so lucky to experience this, all bright and cheery at 7:00 am. This definitely did not help.

  • This may have been mentioned previously (busy day haven’t read through all the posts yet), but if not…

    Article: How Much Does Scientology Spend on Advertising?
    http://www.vice.com/read/how-much-does-the-church-of-scientology-spend-on-advertising

  • Sherbet

    Howdy, don’t forget Knox in an hour. I’m outta here.

    • Captain Howdy

      Thanks, Sherb.

  • Mary_McConnell

    Love these articles! Thanks!!

  • Tony’s site gets another nod…YAY!!!
    http://www.showbiz411.com/2013/04/30/kerry-kennedy-bags-her-scientology-appearance-at-anne-archers-house
    I know this was posted on this site already but I am so glad our emails did some good. Me happy!

    • sugarplumfairy

      Yay!!! I love “…the intrepid Tony Ortega…”

  • q-bird

    Dear Claire. You are an amazing person. A warm bright light; you give me hope.

    Thank you making it possible for me to understand.

  • Scions are upping their paid PR pieces again ….

    I reckon they’re just starting to make these pieces up as they never come with photos anymore ….

    • Sherbet

      If that’s true, ‘Lush, it’s sickening.

  • DodoTheLaser

    Karen is not lying about scientology facebook police, not even exaggerating, sadly.
    I lived through it. That is the degree of the control factor – disconnecting you from the
    family members is not enough, the ultimate goal is to disconnect you from every scientologist,
    and discredit you for others as well.

    Thank God non-scientologists like some parents and employers don’t give a damn about dead
    agenting. Some of my managers just shrugged and said – we think he is a great worker, buzz off.
    I even managed to become a manager myself.

    Heck, my landlord, who hosted many staff and public for about 20 years (not anymore),

    was happy I left scientology and told me he always wondered if it was a cult.

    I assured him it was.

    Peace.

  • 0tessa

    For every down-vote I place two up-votes. Call it stat-push if you like.

  • hogarthian

    hmmnnnn……..

    • hogarthian

      I’m sorry…. I just LOVE the whole ‘bridge’ ‘troll’ ‘fear’ ‘greed’ ‘triumph over fear’ analogy thing. 😉

  • hogarthian

    Karen….. like I’ve said, fabulous!…. but that uniform makes me see her showing up in her next vid in rubber, resplendent in nipple clamps and a whip, and a DM face mask.

  • dbloch7986

    Someone is delivering an effective blow to the enemy of the group by down-arrowing! OUCH it hurts, stahp!

  • Norwood.P

    test