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The big reveal: What you actually learn on Scientology’s Operating Thetan Level Three

Xenu_HomeboyClaire Headley is taking us on our journey to train as Scientologists. She and her husband Marc were Sea Org workers who escaped from Scientology’s International Base in 2005. She spent years working with Scientology’s “tech,” and was trusted to oversee the auditing of Tom Cruise. Go here to see the first part in this series.

And now, it’s time for the big reveal. We have a lot of ground to cover. Thankfully we have Claire and Bruce Hines to help us understand this stuff.

So after several years of devotion and a couple of hundred thousand dollars in fees (not to mention additional donations and other costs), it’s finally time for us on our trip up the “Bridge to Total Freedom” to see what’s kept in that locked briefcase they open up for you on Operating Thetan Level III. What you’re shown is some handwritten pages which L. Ron Hubbard scribbled in 1968.

Let’s just take a little peek at some of it in the name of fair use…

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In these materials, we learn that a fellow named Xenu was running a 76-planet confederation that had been founded some 95 million years ago. “Very space opera,” Hubbard says. We’ll say.

Anyway, Xenu had an overpopulation problem, with about 178 billion people on each planet, so he brought a whole passel of them to a planet named “Teegeeack,” which today we know as Earth. Using “renegades,” Xenu had the surplus folks blown up with H-bombs in volcanoes in Hawaii and the Canary Islands. Then, he captured their disembodied souls (thetans), and implanted them with various mental image pictures to confuse and control them. Or something.

Eventually, Xenu was captured by “loyal officers” in a trap under a mountain somewhere. But the implants he left in the thetans of Earth were so powerful, anyone even attempting to piece together this history — which happened about 75 million years ago — was walking into a lethal trap. Hubbard said he had barely survived investigating it himself.

“In December 67 I knew somebody had to take the plunge. I did and emerged very knocked out but alive. Probably the only one ever to do so in 75,000,000 years,” he wrote.

And now, he had the amazing secret of existence: each of us is not just a single thetan, but a collection of many thetans “stuck to oneself or to the body.”

It’s all those disembodied thetans left over from Xenu’s genocide, see. They have nowhere else to go. They’re confused and hurt, and they’ve attached themselves to us out of survival.

“One has to clean them off by running Incident One then Incident Two. It is a long job, requiring care, patience and good auditing,” Hubbard says.

Up to this point, a Scientologist has learned to go back millions or billions of years into his or her “whole track” to clear away “engrams” — traumatic memories that are causing present-day problems. Now, Hubbard reveals, all of those “body thetans” clinging to you, they all have engrams of their own, and so you’re going to have to run them through incidents that happened millions or trillions of years ago to clear their engrams and get them to de-attach from you.

“Good luck,” Hubbard wrote.

We’re eager to learn how these revelations hit our experts when they first encountered them.

Bruce Hines

Bruce Hines

BRUCE: My first impressions were amazement and, embarrassingly enough, acceptance. I figured if I was going to make it to OT, this was my only way. So I had to buy it and try to run with it.

I had heard about many space opera stories from Mr. Hubbard prior to reading these OT III materials, so that part was not a big deal. The new part was, “One’s body is a mass of individual thetans stuck to oneself or to the body.” I had a hard time understanding, at first, just what he meant by that. It is a poorly worded statement. Things that did not fully make sense were put, as usual, into the I’ll-be-able-to-understand-this-later-when-I-am-more-OT category. Like, “Various misleading data by means of circuits, etc., was placed in the implants.” Even if one knows the Scientology definition of a circuit, this does not make a lot of sense. And what is the “etc.”. Also, “data” is a plural noun, so should not be used with the singular verb “was.” I was able to ignore this and other such odd wordings.

It was a bit unreal that I had been walking around all my life with a bunch of spirits stuck to me. I did not grasp all the ramifications of that. Still, that was the really big news.

Nowadays, I think it is all bunk. It is even a lame science fiction story. For example, modern geology, based on actual scientific evidence, tells us that the Hawaiian Islands did not even exist 75 million years ago. Or how about the logistics of transporting 178 billion (on average) people per planet times 76 planets = 13.528 trillion people to earth. A whole fleet of Starship Enterprises would even have a hard time with that. And there would have to be an awful lot of renegades to capture them all individually. One can go through the whole story and find such things that don’t add up.

It is astounding that these writings are a key part of the “scriptures” of this “church.”

CLAIRE: I should first say, I had been told by so many people “when you read the materials you will be blown away.” Well yes, I guess you could say “blown away” is one way to put it.

Really my whole inner being was screaming you can’t be serious about this!. But I’d long since locked that compartment and thrown away the key. My numb self read these materials and decided to “power through.”

The thought that did come through though was this. I was shocked that after all the focus on taking responsibility for your actions etc., now all of a sudden, the “reason” for all your troubles was someone else again — one’s body thetans and clusters. That really hung me up.

And whereas before, while effective or not, the focus had been real life problems and situations, this no longer had anything to do with something I saw would actually impact my life. However, I certainly wasn’t going to tell my supervisor any of these thoughts.

As is already noted in the materials, the only “problem” one will encounter is if you have a “bad” student auditor — in other words, it’s all on you. So I decided to power through. After all, maybe it was just me and it would all make sense with OT abilities realized.

THE BUNKER: We want to ask another specific question about the material. Hubbard mentions several times that we’re going to have to run our body thetans through Incident One and Incident Two as we attempt to audit them. This tale that he’s just told us about Xenu and the genocide 75 million years ago — that’s Incident Two. But we wonder about the mention of Incident One here. Incident One is more of an origin story of the universe itself, which supposedly happened several quadrillion years ago. Hubbard mentions Incident One here without any explanation of it, so we have to ask, was Incident One something that you would have already been told about before you get to OT III?

BRUCE: Just before the first solo auditing session on OT III, one receives a single handwritten sheet (by Hubbard) that describes the incident. And, yes, it is said to have happened 4 quadrillion years ago. That’s 4 thousand trillion, or 4 million billion. I don’t remember it exactly, but it was something like:

Loud snap
Waves of light
Chariot comes out, moves right, then left
Cherub comes out
Blows horn
Cherub recedes
Shattering series of snaps
Darkness dumped on thetan

I remember that because of Mr. Hubbard’s handwriting, I thought the first line said “Lord says.” My sister told me later that she thought the same thing. After looking at it for a few minutes I concluded that it must say “Loud snap.”

At first one is told to run Incident I on a body thetan first, and then Incident II. This order was reversed at some point. Mr. Hubbard must have realized something or learned something that got him to change his mind.

CLAIRE: That’s right! Chariots, cherubs, and loud snaps, oh my!

THE BUNKER: Claire, you had a frightening experience during OT 3.

Up_The_BridgeCLAIRE: Yes. I started solo auditing on OT 3 in mid to late 1998. By mid 1999 I was still going. For several months I had been getting less than four hours sleep a night, so I was not “sessionable” due to insufficient sleep.

Then, on July 17, 1999, I was doing inspections on the Hemet base with Lara Dolan, who was also in RTC at the time. We were driving around the property on motorcycles to ensure all staff were doing their assigned renovations projects – Saturday was Renos day when all staff did heavy manual labor around the property for the entire day.

I’d had 3 hours sleep, since I’d been working on an investigation being run by Marty Rathbun into financial irregularities that David Miscavige needed a report on urgently. So I was massively stressed out, had had very little sleep, and was driving a motorcycle in 110 degree weather. Michelle Yager’s dog ran into the road as Lara and I were approaching, and Lara braked suddenly.

I didn’t notice she’d stopped until too late, I tried to move over, but my leg caught on the passenger foot peg of her bike, which snapped both bones 4 inches above my ankle clean through. The impact broke my right shoulder.

Kevin Caetano from security responded on scene and strapped a splint on my leg. Because Miscavige was on the property, they were not allowed to call 911 for an ambulance. So I was scooped up and crammed into the Medical officer’s little red Honda and scurried off to Hemet hospital. By the time I arrived there, I was in shock and was rushed into the ER.

It took 3 hours of testing for the doctors to determine if I was going to lose my foot. This was because the wrong splint had been used by Kevin Caetano. The doctors were outraged that no ambulance was called. I had surgery the next day to implant a titanium rod into my tibia, along with 3 screws.

I was allowed to tell my mother about this accident 1 1/2 years later.

The doctor would not tell me I’d ever be able to walk again. It was February of the next year before I could do so unassisted. Needless to say this landed me in review. Meaning, I was taken off the level and sent for review and PTS handling before I’d be allowed to continue OT 3.

THE BUNKER: And so your body thetans had to wait even longer for their auditing. Holy cherub!

Well, we’re glad you got to keep your foot, Claire.

We found a price for OT III from our 2001 price list.

COST THIS WEEK: $10,890

COST SO FAR: $278,273.25

 
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The Ideal Org Scam

Another fine video from Karen de la Carriere, J. Swift, and Angry Gay Pope…

 

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on December 10, 2013 at 07:00

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  • Valerie Ross

    IMHO when people know Monkeys backstory, it’s amazing how relevant her comments actually are.

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      ? Whatcha mean, Val?

  • Sunny Sands

    This is a repeat from earlier post of a suicide today at 33 N Garden Ave in Clearwater. That is an office complex, and according to xenu-directory, has some familiar names as tenants, including Narconon Spring Hill and Toucan Partners. Scieno connection, maybe. When the name is released we’ll see.

    http://www.xenu-directory.net/documents/corporate/address.php?address_id=389

  • Baby

    The Biggi Reichert Video.. Thank you Bury/ Interested

    I am absolutely saddened and sickened by this… Absolutely and utterly deplorable in every way.

    RIP Biggi you have our light and fight here. Her poor mama suffering until her death.

    It has got me thinking about those Head injuries.. used to be called Electric Shock Therapy ( or treatment)

    Now called Electroconvulsive Therapy.

    I’m trying to process recent info about DM requesting Mental Health Evaluation for Laura. That would be the last request that you would think he would ask if familiar with Scn teachings.

    My question.. Is he using ECT on the Downlow?

    **** IMPORTANT I am NOT suggesting that he is.. I am merely bringing this up for a discussion in a forum setting *********

    According to the American Psychiatric Association, ECT can be beneficial in the following situations:
    When a need exists for rapid treatment response, such as in pregnancy

    ***When a patient refuses food and that leads to nutritional deficiencies**** ( ? )

    When a patient’s depression is resistant to antidepressant therapy ( Or NOT given any..My Words)

    When other medical ailments prevent the use of antidepressant medication
    When the patient is in a catatonic stupor
    When the depression is accompanied by psychotic features
    When treating bipolar disorder, including both mania and depression
    When treating mania

    ***When treating patients who have a severe risk of suicide***

    When treating patients who have had a previous response to ECT

    ***When treating patients with psychotic depression or psychotic mania***

    ***When treating patients with major depression***

    When treating schizophrenia

    Also I would like to know if any SCN had died with the same injuries as Biggi had?

    ECT if she had been given this…and send back home.. ( after her visit from Clearwater ) Not monitored.. not evaluated.. ? She clearly would have needed an assessment to ensure that she was stable before being sent home.

    I am just trying to make sense out of something we will not have the answers for. .. and just speculating..

    and sad.. and so Very, Very Angry.. How many must fuckin die for this cult..?

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      Her story resonates? ….no?

      • Baby

        YEP

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          you must read down further darlin….I was challenged by these kiddies!
          As if!

          • Baby

            AS IF IS RIGHT..

          • Eclipse-girl

            Completely OT : Is your avatar a picture of Leda?

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Lilith

            • Eclipse-girl

              TY

    • D.Y.G.

      ECT pads are the size of a silver dollar. Those marks on her head are too small, much too severe. They use conductive gel to prevent burns, but if they do happen they’re very mild. Of course none of this applies if someone was using something else to zap her.

      • Ardent

        Which is quite possible. Good Lord.

    • Ardent

      Yes, Baby. Really horrible. From a family experience, a sibling benefited GREATLY from careful ECT. These days it is not like in “Cuckoo’s Nest”, despite what one imagines. The notion of anyone who is not very carefully trained and monitored administering this treatment is utterly frightening and abhorrent. And yes, I agree that the cult is Evil. Period. Evil.

      • Baby

        Columbo.. I was thinking..

        Say someone who has access to the Cuckoo’s Nest Type Machine .. Like say at a Museum showing the ill effects of said machine..)

        and someone unscrupulous would pay to have an unscrupulous Dr. give this Electric Shock Treatment.. ( untrained and not monitored.. )

        Would that be absolutely beyond the realm of possibility?

        • Zer0

          Well, they would go to jail for attempted murder. They also used to do lobotomies back then.

          Modern ECT is similar to getting full anesthesia, having a procedure, then waking up from the anesthesia. It’s extremely safe and carefully controlled/ monitored while the patient is asleep.

          • Baby

            Zero.. Yes I know about the modern ECT… I was talking about the older models.. I have seen them in a display

            and the results.. looked similar to Biggi’s phototos.

            • Snippy_X

              This came up in a discussion over at WWP a while back. Someone tracked down a device that repeatedly gets banned by the FDA(?) for quack medicine. It keeps resurfacing in slightly different forms and always claims to cure everything. There was a person at FLAG during Biggies time there who sold those as a sideline. It looked as though it could have produced those burns. Search under her name for the discussion. It was inconclusive, of course.

            • Baby

              I had just posted a comment here Snippy ( my last comment you can read) I saw photos with those same kind of marks..

              Plus Howdy said that one theory was that she tried to scratch the body thetans out of her head.. but that would show up on the autopsy under her nails right.. I’m sure the Dr. doing the autopsy would make note of that..

              I will snoop around at WWP for that info.. Thank You

            • Baby

              Found it Snippy! Thank you.. This would NOT surprise me!

              Sekee said:

              I’m speculating here but I wonder if the electrical burns
              could have been caused by a PAP-IMI machine? Scientologist doctor David
              Minkoff was using one in his clinic a few years ago and it’s just the
              sort of pseudo-science crap that Scientologists are into. The electrical
              probe on the machines have been determined to be unsafe.

              Weeks later, BioMed IRB discovered a more serious problem at a study site, Lifeworks Wellness Center in Clearwater, Fla.
              During
              a review of clinic records, the IRB learned about two patients whose
              deaths had not been promptly reported. A woman with cancer and a man
              with heart disease and chronic renal failure had died several days after
              receiving PAP-IMI treatments.
              The review board determined that LifeWorks’ president, physician David Minkoff, had failed to properly report the deaths.
              The
              delays — one of them five weeks — made it difficult to determine if the
              treatments had caused or contributed to the deaths. The review board,
              as required, alerted the FDA about the lapse.
              In a letter to the review board, Minkoff wrote that the “treatments had nothing to do with their demises.”
              During
              the study, Florida health officials suspended Minkoff’s medical
              license. They determined that he had prescribed medications
              inappropriately to a woman in 1995, according to the FDA and the Florida
              Board of Medicine. (Lisa McPhearson)Snip

              Ten months after discovering the illegal
              use of the PAP-IMI, California Department of Health Services seized
              four machines from Bio-Energy Services in June 2003, essentially
              shutting down the clinic.
              When a
              California Food and Drug Branch research scientist disassembled the
              device, he determined that it “poses significant hazard” to both
              operator and patient. The device delivered a “substantial and dangerous
              electrical current to the loop or probe that cannot be regulated by the
              person.”http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2004022178_miracle19m2.html

          • Baby

            and would like to add Zero..

            They do have the old ones in the ” Industry of Death” museum.. Interesting, huh?

            but I’m done with the topic.. I sound like a whack job.. but when discussing Snilllllloneytunes you have to think just like DM does.. sigh

            • Zer0

              Yes, if they have the old ones, they should be inactivated, just like a bomb in a military museum. But considering who we are talking about, they might not be. They don’t exactly seem to care much about safety or regulations.

            • jeff

              They were on American Horror Story: Asylum – Jessica Lange got quite fried.

            • Baby

              Where I worked State Mental Hospital for Criminally Insane.. They had a 100 yr Anniversary ( Centennial ) Open House.. and they showed old Artifacts..

              Straight jackets, Electric Shock Treatment apparatus ..and so many old photos on the table .. ( Not for the Faint at heart)

              and saw the injuries and burns that they caused. I still see them.. and that is what led me to even think ( let alone believe) … fill in the blanks..

          • OrangySky

            Carrie Fischer is among those who has spoken out about the life-saving use of ECT. The side effects seem to be minimal, the worst of which is some short-term memory loss that is almost always temporary.

        • Ardent

          No, not impossible. But it would be more likely that an untrained person, not a doctor, who had ‘read up’ on the procedure could use or even make a crude machine – essentially jerry-rig one – and then use it on someone. It would be horrible and deadly (most likely) and yet, it certainly could be done. Ugh.

          • Baby

            Yep and that is where I was going.. A reputable Dr. wouldn’t do it.. Hubs / Dm always talked/talks about Electroshock.. ugh is right

    • Captain Howdy

      The general opinion is that Biggi caused the scars on her scalp herself in an attempt to rid herself of body thetans. She was a veterinarian and had access to equipment that could cause such marks.

      • noseinabk

        Was another scientologist death reported with similar scalp burns? I thought that she was not the first person that had burns.

      • Baby

        Thanks Howdy. I either forgot that or didn’t read it..

  • HelenNPN

    RE: Origins of Incident One – A Drug Addled Hubbard Sojourn in Mexico

    The sequence is so bizzare for Incident One – it has a whiff of Christianity about it, but something else, almost mystical. Well being a long time reader of all things Scientology, I wanted to put down here something I read in the past that completely demystified Incident 1 for me:

    A devotee was with Hubbard on some trip or stay in Mexico. It was in the period at sea. I believe Hubbard visited a certain village in Mexico, at least more than once. He would stay in a hotel across from the village church. Apparently during festivals they’d shoot fireworks and, as a special treat, a little door in the church would open and a little mechanized display would come out. Yes, it was a chariot mo which moved mechanically to the right then the left, followed by a cherub. There would be popping and fireworks all around and then the two little figures would retreat back behind the door.

    It was years later apparently that this follower put it together that this quaint and rustic display for the villagers by the local church was what Hubbard, probably drugged to the max as usual, gazed and and simply copied verbatim to use as his Incident One one night.

    LOUD SNAP
    WAVES OF LIGHT
    CHARIOT COMES OUT, TURNS RIGHT AND LEFT
    CHERUB COMES OUT
    BLOWS HORN, COMES CLOSE
    SHATTERING SERIES OF SNAPS
    CHERUB FADES BACK (RETREATS)
    BLACKNESS DUMPED ON, etc…

    I was so appreciative of this person’s report that pulled away the veils of the one semi-esoteric moment Scientology has – yep, just another wholesale theft and fraud. It was funny too, and it really made an impression on me. Unfortunately, I can’t remember if I read this in a book or online in a forum or what. I’ve done a cursory look on the internet and can’t find it as a forum comment. If anyone else has heard this or read it, please let me know.

    • OrangySky

      If this is true, it’s hilarious. Really.
      The story also is reminiscent of Ezekiel’s vision.
      Wherever it originated from, we know it wasn’t “original”!

    • Zer0

      That’s hysterical… and I believe it.

    • aegerprimo

      Hmmm, wonder if it might be somewhere on http://www.lermanet.com/ – sounds like something Arnie might’ve discovered.

    • Eclipse-girl

      My question —

      When the Hubtard was at sea I thought is was the Mediterraen, perhaps the Caribbean , no where near Mexico

      • OrangySky

        I thought he was at Las Palmas in the Canaries when he wrote OTIII (and was popping lots of pinks and grays and drinking lots of rum – BY HIS OWN ADMISSION, OSA LURKERS!)

        When Hubbard was in Las Palmas during 1967 he wrote a letter to his wife. In it Hubbard tells his wife: “I’m drinking lots of rum and popping pinks and greys.” See the decision by Judge Paul G. Breckenridge, Jr. in Scientology v. Armstrong, Los Angeles Superior Court, Case No. C 420153.

        • HelenNPN

          Interesting. I wonder if there was anyone with him at the time who later turned into a critic…

          • Bury_The_Nuts

            I think you know the answer Helen!
            So nice to have U here. 😉

            • HelenNPN

              : )

      • HelenNPN

        Perhaps that bit about being while at sea is something I’ve not remembered correctly. Or perhaps it was a village in Spain? Curacao or Venezuela? I’m going to look at some of the statemenst of Ken Urquhart, it seems like it was someone close to Hubbard like he was. Anyone familiar with Hubbard’s life would know about when Incident One was written. That could help provide some substantiation.

      • Robert Eckert

        Las Palmas is the capital of the Canary Islands southwest of Spain, a place the Apollo visited almost as often as the Freewinds visits Aruba.

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      I will follow you anywhere just because of that fucking cool ass AV!!!!

      • HelenNPN

        awww…even right into the kitchen at Big Blue? If so you are made of some stern stuff! lol

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          Oh vey… this include pot scrubing….OK,OK…I Is a WUSS. I give!!!!

    • Great White Clam
      • HelenNPN

        great link, thanks!

    • Jo

      There’s a book called the Lonesome Squirrel that mentions The loud snap and waves of light. It’s funny what I’ve read so far but a wee bit rude. http://fishman.home.xs4all.nl/ls/ls17.html

      • MaxSpaceman

        o m g Mr. Fishman is the tops, JoJo !

        His interview/video – presented by Mark Bunker, made 20 years ago – is simply the most comprehensive presentation of an individual completely immersed in Hubbard’s space opera creation, $cientology. It is must see – someday, you have to hear what this man believed. A very bright guy, Steve Fishman, so he can really really put the juice out there on the subject of the belief system.

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6yhyYEbJgA

        • Jo

          Thanks Spaceman.

        • stillgrace2

          FYI … I once posted a link to a Fishman treatise over at Marty’s. He posted my comment but removed my link. He left the explanation that Fishman is an unreliable source of information. FWIW.

          • OrangySky

            I wonder if he’s evolved on that point?

          • MaxSpaceman

            In 3 hours of video, Fishman delivers the best, most comprehensive ‘what may a $cientologist actually believe’ that one can ever see.

            In that case, “unreliable” is irrelevant. Fishman had, 20 years ago, every book, every lecture, every green volume, every red volume and was a fanatic believer.

            It’s a broad education to see someone enthralled within Hubbard’s Fiction/Business/Religion. And someone as bright as Fishman, who can recall everything he ever studied.

            Note: I’m not saying it’s “reliable.” I’m saying it’s a classic demonstration of what/how a person “believes” about himself, life, death, an afterlife, in the context of Hubbard-think. ‘S’all.

            • HelenNPN

              I found it fascinating. thanks for posting it.

        • Jo

          Just watched it, reminded me of Hunter S Thompson. Fisherman comes across as being OCD and intelligent. Will watch more tomorrow. Thanks again Spaceman.

      • grundoon

        Fishman is widely considered unreliable. His book The Lonesome Squirrel is a mishmash of truth, exaggeration, and unverifiable accounts, and there is no way to be sure which bits are true unless corroborated by a more believable source. A fun read, though.

    • HelenNPN

      What a sharp bunch here – mystery pretty much solved. I certainly was fuzzy on the details, but the gist of the story is right there, Hubbard copied down a church fiesta display for Incident 1. From the link below from Great White Clam to http://www.paulsrabbit.com/DartSmohenRealStory_20081216.pdf (Dart Smohen: The Real Story, page 115)

      “Outside the dockyard there was a church (in Las Palmas). On Feast Days (there were many) an evening service took place. It was dark and there was always a small crowd. First there was a candlelit procession, followed by a loud bang, then a series of flashing lights, another procession came out from the church, led by men carrying poles on which figures of cherubs were mounted. Following this came a replica of the ark of the covenant, with a winged chariot on it. The procession traversed around the forecourt. All the time prayers were said, led by a priest. Then firecrackers went off and the candles were extinguished, leaving the place in darkness as the processions re-entered the church.
      …In case you are wondering if any of this is true ask Alan, he was there
      too.

      It is true! –ACW”

    • grundoon

      The story is attributed to “Dart Smohen” and attested by the late Alan Walter. It was posted by Alan in February 2008.

      Alan – 29th February 2008, 08:50 PM – Originally Posted by DartSmohen

      I guess it is time to put some truth out about OT3.

      I was there when Hubbard was winding up his research (Las Palmas 67.)

      We were the Sea Project, long before the Sea Org was created.

      You have to understand the level of drugs Hubbard was on at the time. This was well after his cocaine and Phenobarbitone stuff of the 50’s. He was heavily into barbituates, codene etc. He had a shore base called “Estrella”, down the coast. I saw his pharmecutical store there, it was huge.

      The original 3 materials were handwritten and photocopied backwards, so you had to hold them to a mirror to read them. I read them all when I was Chief of Advanced Courses on the ship. It was just like a 1050’s science fiction story.

      We had our first inkling of what was coming before we set sail fom the UK in April/May 67. Hubbard put out a confidential SP declare on one of our staff, John Laurence (former chaplain at St Hill). In it he stated that John was no longer the person we thought he was, having been taken over by another or other beings.

      In Las Palmas Hubbard used to talk quite openly about his “research”. He used to say that the main street in Gran Canaria was exactly like it was 75 million years ago, exact in every detail. He got some really funny looks from several members of the crew. I don’t think there was more than a couple of members who bought into the story. In order to satisfy the rest of us he added a line about Loyal Officers. This was a clever move as it allowed us to simply say that we never got the implant as we were away at the time.

      Outside the dockyard there was a church. On Feast Days (there were many) an evening service took place. It was dark and there was always a small crowd.

      First there was a candle lit procession, followed by a loud bang, then a series of flashing lights, another procession came out from the church, led by men carrying poles on which figures of cherubs were mounted. Following this came a replica of the ark of the covenant, with a winged chariot on it. The procession traversed around the forecourt.All the time preyers were being said, led by a priest in long robes. Then firecrackers went off and the candles were extinguished, leaving the place in darkness as the processions re-entered the church.

      Hubbard used to say that this was a replica of Inc 1. I wonder where he got the idea of Inc 1 from?

      It is up to each person to decide for themselves if they wish to subscribe to the theory and story of OT3. I just thought that a bit of background info might help you to align your thoughts.

      In case you are wondering whether any of this is true or not, ask Alan. He was there too.

      It is true!

      The write up that is of Darth! :)

  • DamOTclese2

    Remember the report yesterday about the dumbass ordering a psychological evaluation to be conducted on their plaintiff? I sent Scientology this request:

    Can you help me? I am facing having to undergo a psychological evaluation in a civil court trial and I am strongly against such criminal abuse, psychiatrists are child abusers and homosexuals, I don’t want to be raped.

    Apparently the idiots didn’t recognize or know about their own crime boss ordering such an evaluation. They sent back:

    inforequest@cchr.org
    Thank you for contacting CCHR.

    We are a watchdog organization. We are not attorneys and have no attorneys on staff. It sounds as if this is beyond the scope of what we handle, but if you feel there is a psychiatric abuse involved, please fill out the attached form and return by hitting the submit button. Someone will review the circumstances and get back to you.

    It is through your donations & memberships that we are able to continue offering our assistance & information to those who need it, free of charge. Please support CCHR by donating or becoming a member of CCHR today! Click here for more information http://www.cchrint.org/cchrint-donate/

    Sincerely,
    Deborah
    Director of Information Requests
    http://www.cchrint.org
    http://www.youtube.com/cchrint
    http://www.twitter.com/cchrint
    http://www.facebook.com/CCHRInternational

    Dipshits.

    • Ardent

      Complete asshat hypocritical thugs. Hate ’em. Thanks for sharing this inanity.

    • Jenstnick

      Nice trolling. The CoS will surely bite themselves in the ass this one.

      • DamOTclese2

        In reply I sent a link to Tony’s blog from yesterday. I doubt they will click on it but it would be lulz if the person does. In fact that may be a good way to get some customer to actually see the lunacy of what they’re trying to do to people.

    • aegerprimo

      “…It is through your donations & memberships that we are able to continue offering our assistance & information to those who need it, free of charge…”

      How the HELL does that make sense?
      LOL

      • OrangySky

        Just what assistance and information are we talking about, again?

      • DamOTclese2

        Yeah, I noticed that also. It’s all free, just $12,000.

    • Noni Mause

      Translation:
      We can’t help you. Give us money.

      • DamOTclese2

        It’s amusing, yeah. The Scientology customer who answers the mails has no clues what David is doing out in the real world, the subtle trolling went right over the person’s head. :)

        • Noni Mause

          What I found hilarious was the absolutely straight way you played your hysterically over the top email. The last part – “….I don’t want to be raped.” – was so totally fricking random I was literally howling with laughter. I’m still chuckling.

    • Anonymous

      This is classic…well done!

    • J. Swift

      Genius!

      • DamOTclese2

        My guess is that the Scientology customer/staffer who was ordered to answer the emails has no idea what David is doing out in the real world. I send the link to yesterday’s blog entry in reply, I doubt that the clowns will follow-up.

        What’s amusing is that there is lulz for Anonymous I need to post to WWP.

        • J. Swift

          DamOTclese2, DM hyped this in a presentation where he claims that CCHR has a 24/7 Psych monitoring location. And now Truth Revealed: Another fundraising scam in an endless series of fundraising scams. This is a story all by itself.

          • DamOTclese2

            Yeah, it’s nothing but money with these god damned crooks. Always.

            • Freethinker

              23 years ago I took a management course from a clam front group. I came to realize that you could never have a normal human interaction with a scilon. Always, always, the conversation turned to trying to get money out of me.

          • OrangySky

            Hope you’ll follow up on this one, J Swift – maybe with Tony? The “Psychs are Evil” malarky is up for real scrutiny now that His Oiliness has called for a Royal Psychiatric Evaluation of his ‘enemy’ by the Wog Courts!

            • Noni Mause

              Oh PLEASE can we have a Bunker expose on the whole anti psych thing?!!

            • J. Swift

              OrangeSky, that is a very good idea for a future video: How the Psych call-in line is fundraising ploy. I will ask E. Stuart Mills to consider it.

          • Baby

            J and Karen..

            I love your videos.. This one was fabulous.. Thank you and keep it up.. Very entertaining.. I don’t see how you can keep a straight face delivering those lines.. Good God

    • Mooser

      “Sincerely, Deborah”

      I don’t know, maybe I’m old fashioned, but before I give a woman money, I sort of like to know her full name…

  • Anonymous
  • edge

    This has truly been an excellent day. Reading about the OT III experience from Bruce and Claire here, and reading about the equal parts pathetic and lucrative e-meter sales game over at Mike Rinder’s. Check that, ALL of Scientology is pathetic and lucrative. $10,000 for the privilege of accepting badly written, nonsensical sci-fi as unchallenged fact? Oy.

    • Noni Mause

      I *KNOW*! I was listening to an old Howard Sterns interview with a baby scilon the other day and in response to Stern’s queries about the price, the youngling said that it was cheaper than seeing a psychiatrist or psychologist! I don’t know anyone who’s had to mortgage their house to see a psychologist!!

      • edge

        I don’t think a psychologist will tell you that your problems are the result of deep-seated space aliens either.

        • Noni Mause

          Second belly laugh of the day!

      • HelenNPN

        I wonder if Stern is a secret Scilon. He just did an interview with Krusty allowing her usual pro-Scientology spew to go unchallenged.

        • Baby

          Helen.. Stern hates Scn. He gave Alley enough rope to hang herself.. It just made her look like a confirmed Ass..

          He knew exactly what he was doing.. We had a long discussion a bout this the other day..

          • HelenNPN

            I’m relieved.

            • Baby

              Yep.. and the Buzz about the interview and her making a total fool of herself is still buzzing..

              and He is getting the last laugh! He has had a few programs where he has just lambasted the SCN callers..

        • OrangySky

          No way in hell is Stern a Scilon. He picks his battles. But he’ll make sure that will come back and bite Kirstie some day.

          • HelenNPN

            that is great news.

        • Noni Mause

          I know, disappointing, wasn’t it? Especially since Stern himself is anti-scientology. You can hear him rant against them on YouTube. I had a bit of a dummy spit about it here the other day.

  • Anonymous

    There was a series of posts today about the comic possible book origin of the name XEMU and some of the documentation that has been done on that topic.

    Below is a screen grab of a page from here: http://marvel.wikia.com/Zemu_%28Earth-616%29 providing some information about the history of the comic book character XEMU.

    Whether or not Hubbard remembered XEMU from his “whole track” or conflated the thing from a comic book and elements from one of his old pulp magazine science fiction stories, the entire affair is fascinating and full of some amazing coincidences.

    Here’s a link to the thread: http://tonyortega.org/2013/12/10/the-big-reveal-what-you-actually-learn-on-scientologys-operating-thetan-level-three/#comment-1158086681.

    • Noni Mause

      Thanks. It IS fascinating. I think that Hubbard was such a narcissist that even if he did clearly remember this coming from another source, he would have found a way to justify it as really being his.

      • Anonymous

        Absolutely.

    • OrangySky

      I think Hubbard was such a liar – and such a facile one at that – that anything flitting by the periphery of his consciousness was ‘Fair Game’ for inclusion into one of his fanciful stories.

      • Mooser

        In “Barefaced Messiah” there is a report of Hubbard borrowing a book at a house-party, and then regaling the guests at dinner including the man he borrowed the book from with adventures from the book, claimed as his own!

        • OrangySky

          That sounds like our Hubster. As they say in the deep South, which I’ll be leaving in a day, “Bless his heart.”

        • Noni Mause

          One of the features of narcissistic personality disorder is how defended they are against shame. None of us would dream of doing something like that for fear of being shamed in front of our peers. Narcissists aren’t bothered by this. They don’t feel it the way we do. (Psychodynamic therapists would tell you this ego defence is because at their core they feel deep shame.)

      • Anonymous

        It would appear so.

        The way that whole track stuff is “verified” makes one so susceptible to suggestion that over time it may even make someone who is deliberately dishonest susceptible to environmental influences of which they are not aware.

        Or they could just be lying.

  • Snippy_X

    While we’re waiting on more info about the suicide at 33 North Garden Avenue, Clearwater FL,

    where Feshbachs have/had offices according to

    http://www.xenu-directory.net/documents/corporate/address.php?address_id=220

    and which included Narconon Spring Hill, here is a picture of the building:

    http://www.wilderofficebuildings.com/clearwatert.html

    Here is more on the Feshbachs, some of whom have already done Super Power:

    http://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=29623&sid=d08377061d4a706d49710bf60709ab90&start=15

    I refrain from reposting the link to the portrait.

    • Great White Clam
      • Snippy_X

        Looks like Kurt Feshbach is still there then.
        Your link leads to this about him:
        http://www.corporationwiki.com/Florida/Clearwater/kurt-n-feshbach-P482417.aspx

        • Sunny Sands

          Interesting “Novus Medical Detox”

          Overview of Novus Medical Detox Centers, LLC in Clearwater, FL

          Novus Medical Detox Centers, LLC filed as a Florida Limited Liability in the State of Florida on Friday, April 21, 2006 and is approximately seven years old, as recorded in documents filed with Florida Department of State. The filing is currently active as of the last data refresh which occured on Sunday, September 01, 2013.

          Key People

          K. Feshbach serves as the Managing Member and has interests in other corporate entities including Novus Properties, LLC located in Clearwater, FL .

          The registered agent for the company is Bryn A. Wesch. Also known as a statutory or resident agent, the registered agent is responsible for receiving legal notifications regarding court summons, lawsuits, and other legal actions involving the corporate entity.

          • OrangySky

            Because if you made money in real estate, it logically follows that you’ll be qualified to run a detox for seriously addicted people.

        • Snippy_X

          This one is suspicious, too.

          http://www.wellness.com/dir/2793599/uncategorized/fl/clearwater/addiction-help-services/directions/33-north-garden-avenue-clearwater-fl-33755
          I thought Narconon Spring Hill was shut down. If I wasn’t so tired right now, I’d pop over to Tipping Point to figure it out.

    • MaxSpaceman

      Thank Xenu – and you – for not printing the portrait. !!

      • Snippy_X

        For real!

  • Lurkness

    Just to say thanks! For instance, this craigslist has gone from 20+ ads showing up, but now all flagged and being removed (at least that is what I see). Kudos to all for helping.

    http://orangecounty.craigslist.org/search/ccc?catAbb=eee&query=4446&zoomToPosting=&sort=rel

    • Lurkness
      • Freethinker

        Zapped!

        And here, if you please, are some SF Bay Area ads for your flagging pleasure.

        http://sfbay.craigslist.org/search/cls?catAbb=cls&query=510+342+9121&zoomToPosting=

        • stillgrace2

          Thanks!! Flagged. I added some more for SF Bay Area in a new post above.

      • OrangySky

        Done. And “Best of’d” the warning posts.
        May I suggest, however, that the warning posts be improved? The grammar & syntax is a bit lacking. Let us distinguish ourselves from the mangled English of the Scientology ads, please!

        • Mooser

          I wish I knew which of the ads in the Seattle Craigslist are from COS, and which (if any, but I think it’s a strong possibility) are from Indies who have been SP’ed out of the Org. BTW, that seems to be happening a lot, the people who raised the money and built the orgs get kicked out, and a team from corporate takes over.

          • stillgrace2

            See if you can trace the phone number or address back to a specific org or mission in the Seattle area. That’s how I know who’s zooming who in SF Bay Area.

            • Mooser

              Good idea. I’ll try to figure out which is which. But if Indies aren’t afraid to advertise their services in Seattle IdealOrg. territory, things have changed.

      • Interested

        Thanks for warning about warnings. Done.

    • Lurkness

      If you click OC link above, should now show NOTHING! No listings. All Clear.

      • OrangySky

        At least one part of the planet is “Cleared”!

    • Minion Gayle

      If you try Dianetics a few pop up.

  • stillgrace2

    More Craigslist postings from SF Bay Area – they do not identify themselves as scientologists.
    If you have a few minutes, please FLAG. Thank you.

    http://sfbay.craigslist.org/search/ccc?catAbb=ccc&query=428+2424&zoomToPosting=
    http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/com/4231601914.html

    • Freethinker

      Flagged post-haste. Cheers!

    • Robert Eckert

      “Have you ever had a negative experience?” Why no, nothing negative ever happens to a perfect person like me… what a dumbass question!

    • Interested

      Done

  • Jo

    Off topic, dwayners13 posted here earlier, 10 hours ago and says he wont post again. It has been bothering me, just thought I should mention it. Not sure if this link works. http://tonyortega.org/2013/12/10/the-big-reveal-what-you-actually-learn-on-scientologys-operating-thetan-level-three/#

    • aquaclara

      I wish he would come back.

    • SandiCorrena

      Did something happen to him?

      • Zer0

        He made a nice post, and then decided it was too opinionated, and might be offensive to some people.. I didn’t take it as offensive, nor did anyone else… we tried to tell him that.

        • stillgrace2

          I know … I enjoyed reading his take on religion. I specifically told him I was not offended by his post, as did many others. Hopefully, he’s just taking a break and will be back.

          • Zer0

            It’s one of the reasons the sarcasm brackets were proposed…. it’s hard to deduce a poster’s tone, and sometimes we can get sensitive to reactions to our posts. But in most cases, it’s just a family and everything is fine.

          • Captain Howdy

            Nobody was offended by what he wrote, he didn’t even get a downvote, so I really don’t understand why he reacted the way he did.

            Get your ass back here D13 and quit being so theetie-wheetie.

            MAKE IT SO!

            • Zer0

              Does anyone know the poster as a person? He could be age 20 – 90, don’t know.

            • Captain Howdy

              Dwayners has been around longer than half the people commenting on here these days. He’s not some rookie. i find this baffling. Oh well, time to hit the hyperbolic sleep chamber.

            • OrangySky

              He may be having a bad day in RL. It happens. Come back D13!

            • Zer0

              Very true.

            • Captain Howdy
            • Baby

              DEeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevo …. Perfect Howdy

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              I prefer the cold to the heat, but I would like to add my voice to the chorus: Please come back dwyanerswade13. You didn’t offend anybody.

        • MaxSpaceman

          Dwayners13 posted a true comment that – okay, yes, Hubbard’s scripture is way way out there, but so are many, many other scriptures. It was a thought-provoking post.

          I think what happened is, that in that he used Christianity as an illustration of how far out religions ask their members to go with suspension of disbelief, and then was commented back pretty heavily, kind of in opposition to his point – and then Christianity itself may have become the subject by side-track – that he reacted poorly and says what Jo said he said above.

          I thought it was an amazing discussion thread – and there wasn’t much hurt feelings I didn’t think. I hope Dwaynes13, you reconsider, not be bummed out about today, and continue to post. Because your comments I look forward to, I do.

          • Zer0

            Agreed, this has been an epic discussion thread…very civil and multicultural. And we can thank Dwayners13 for that. And, of course, Tony.

            • MaxSpaceman

              Yes! I love Dwayners13’s posts!

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              Sorry if this becomes a jinx, but yes it has been very civil… So why didn’t any trolls show up to learn about OT3?

            • Zer0

              Because they would die

            • Mooser

              . “So why didn’t any trolls show up to learn about OT3?”

              They were whipped into such a lather by those depositions the other day, too. That one really seemed to bother them. I wonder why?

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              I don’t know. You mean on Radar yesterday? Or when it was posted here?

          • Mooser

            If he felt it was to strongly worded he should just go back and edit it a little. That’s what I would do if I could ever find my posts again after I regret them.

          • Baby

            Dwayne.. I want to add.. It was a tame post.. I believe in God.. But Scripture.. Eh.. not so much..

            But Please.. You know what they say about Religion and Politics.. People are going to get heated about shit..

            You posted.. Others reacted..

            Shit if Howdy and Espi can post what they do.and still come back with open arms..You know we would give you a party..

            That’s what happens around this joint.. We get so angry and so frustrated about what is happening with Scilooooonies that we sometimes transfer it over to other posts..

            I posted something the other night and someone told me to Go To Bed! and I did..hahaa

            I don’t even know what it was.. but it was off the mark..and guess what.. Who gives a shit..

            We are here for each other.. You are a Bunkeroo.. bunkerite..bunker buddy and will not allow you to leave..

            Cause Tony made me the boss when he’s not around.. but it’s a secret..shhhhhh

          • Sibs

            Oh man, I liked that post! Though I thought the point wasn’t so much about how far-fetched but how much Scientology asks of you in order to get there? Ergo Tony’s reply? Or an I thinking of someone else’s post?

        • SandiCorrena

          I recall that now; awwww man I’m sorry if he felt bad about it. Hope he comes back, last one out leave the light on!

      • Jo

        No, just said he wasn’t posting again. I’m a sensitive soul, I thought his post was misunderstood. Just mentioned it because I thought I should.

    • Baby

      dwayners… Come on.. Please come back.. Do you know how many of us have opened our big mouths..

      I have said this so many times.. ” The Bunker is a Safe Place to Land ( Unless you are a Troll..)

      You are one of us.. I don’t know if I read what you wrote.. but I know this group… an hr. later no one gives a shit.

      Please come back…

    • Jimmy Threetimes

      That link is just to this article. If you right click on the time next to his post you can copy it. For example, where it may say “30 minutes ago” or “x hours ago” that can be a link to the post.

  • Baby

    Just wrote this over at Radar from a SCN troll saying that there was overwhelming evidence that this extremist group undermines etc.

    …………………………………………………….

    BAwwwwwwwwhahhhahaha

    There is overwhelming evidence that the {Chirch} of Scientology is an
    evil dangerous cult that has bilked it’s followers out of $. Buying
    property and fleecing it’s members.

    Go to They Should Have Not Died and read about the crimes linked to Scientology. How about Lisa McPherson? Lost 40# in 17 days.

    She was held at the Ft. Harrison Hotel .. Scn. should have left her in the hospital , but wouldn’t allow her to stay..

    Now I can go on and on. I am NOT an extremist ..I have done my research.

    Let me think.. How about.. estimated 2,500 showing up for the Super
    Power Opening.. ( Yep helicopter overhead captured the image..)

    Scientology tried to convince everyone 10,000 showed up..hahahahhh.. 3 celebrities out of how many?

    Lawsuits are beginning to show the light.. and I am waiting front and center..

    So let me tell you.. The more you show up.. The more information will be written. Period.

    • Sibs

      That guy again? Sheesh.

      • Baby

        Yep.. and the more he comments to me.. The more info about the cult I will give.. He knows that by now..hahaha

        • Noni Mause

          Link, Baby, link!

          • Baby
            • Sibs

              Sheesh! So much butthurt still over the same article!

            • Noni Mause

              Thanks. Left a couple of comments myself. I quite enjoy grappling with the pro-scientology commenters. Any chance that you might give a few shout outs here for those who are interested to head over to the other sites to ‘engage’ when its all happening?

            • Baby

              You know I usually do..

              but you know Noni..I came here first and there was an announcement that this Dog6 was over there so then I went over and posted..

              but with so many posts on here now we should periodically tell our crew.. I’ll try and remember that.. Thanks.. night sweeeeeeeetie..yawwwwwwwwwwwn… xox

            • Noni Mause

              It is hard to keep up when there are a lot of posts and there are different time zones etc. A periodic shout out would be really helpful. Good night! :-)

            • Baby

              Good idea Noni.. xo

            • Noni Mause

              Hey, Baby – got two really grouchy responses back from 6dog. In one he pretty much admits the disconnection policy is in place but that he’s okay with that. When I get a little time this morning I’m going to point that out and let him know his church still denies this. :-)

            • Baby

              Noni.. Dog has left the building for now..hahahhaa… What a piece of work..

            • Baby

              Hey Noni.. I was also going to tell you..I just checked and that post was from 2 days ago.. so Nevermore has the first post with over 100+ upvotes..

              and trolls are sprinkled throughout… ok that’s it..

          • Baby

            link below Noni.. Guys name 6dog

  • SandiCorrena

    did anyone catch Kirstie on Jay Leno? Did she word vomit more “cults are good” garbage?

    • Baby

      Shit Sandi.. I forgot all about it.. errrrrrrrrgh

    • Missionary Kid

      I’m TIVOing it, but it won’t be on for another hour.

    • Sibs

      Oh, I do hope she does. My parents watch Leno and I hope they’re horrified.

      (Or they might just skip out on it because they don’t care about Kirstie.)

  • Phil de Fontenay

    “I loved OTIII. It was the best level I have ever done and totally changed my life for the better. I found myself and the answers I had been seeking for millennia…” Oh WAIT!!! That’s not right… Sorry that was an Hubbardian Implant from 2003 AD. It’s now erased and the truth is Scientology is a huge scam and you should keep your money for something useful. ~lol

    I always remember Hubbard talking on a lecture from the Philadelphia Doctorate Course. He said that you can get people to believe anything if it is done on the right gradient. This is why people believe this shit when we finally get up to it. Years of subtle mind control! Now that is downright spooky!

    • Zer0

      Great post!

    • OrangySky

      Good one, Phil.
      Isn’t it interesting how LRH always gave his ‘trade secrets’ away? You just have to be vigilant to find those instances. Observer’s “Ron Series” posts point some of these gems out.

  • Zer0

    Totally off topic, I’m sick of being cold. WTF. I have no degrees, 0 degrees.

    • Snippy_X

      I’m wearing a hat.

      • Artoo45

        Long John’s until March.

        • Sandy

          5 below in Mpls!

    • Missionary Kid

      Is that Centigrade or fahrenheit?

  • Snippy_X

    Might be time for a random tune. This one has been stuck in my head all night. I wonder why :)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b19PcuJsQbA

    • MaxSpaceman

      I like Fleetwood Mac *so* much better before Nicks ‘n Buckingham made it more like The Mamas & The Poppas than what it had been here. Thanks for posting, SnipX !!

      • Baby

        I gave you an upvote cause I love you… but oooooh I love my Stevie Nicks..

        Rhiannon is Fleetwood Mac…

        Best Group to me is Crosby, Still and Nash ( Young) I saw them in concert before Crosby went to jail..

        The Best..? Suite Judy Blue Eyes.. OMG.. I remember those days ( what I remember of those days I should say..hahahha ) like yesterday..

        • MaxSpaceman

          I love me some Stevie Nicks, too, Baby-kins.

          ‘Jes that Fleetwood Mac was 1 band. Then When Buckingham-Nicks joined, they needed to have named the band Fleetwood Nicks (or something.)

          • Baby

            OK.. I’ll agree with that.. But I also agree that they seriously leaned toward Mamas and Papas when Nicks- Buckingham joined..

      • Sandy

        Max. Stevie I Buckingham are so perfect. Sorry.

    • Zer0

      Nicely done, Snippy

  • Great White Clam

    A nice artical about the decline of the clam cult with stats and graphs and notes;

    The Dwindling Spiral: The Dror Center Schism, the Cook Letter and Scientology’s Legitimation Crisis

    James R. Lewis
    University of Tromsø

    Ramdom quote from the artical;

    “On 4 July 2012, a bit more than six months after the Cook letter, Dani Lemberger issued his own letter, in which he and seven other members of the Dror staff assigned the Treason condition (condition has a specific meaning within the Scientology system; refer to Hubbard 1978, 86-87) to David Miscavige (Lemberger 2012). More extensive than the Cook letter, the Lemberger letter repeated a few of her points and added a number of new points. But the basic issue was the same: Contrary to the express wishes of the founder, changes had been introduced into a number of different aspects of the Church of Scientology that were leading to its decline.”

    http://www.academia.edu/4517890/The_Dwindling_Spiral_The_Dror_Center_Schism_the_Cook_Letter_and_Scientologys_Legitimation_Crisis

    • Baby

      You want squirrel tech? Well that pretty much puts it out there.. DM…

    • Missionary Kid

      That is a VERY interesting paper. I forwarded it to John P. for his blog. The statistics are sketchy, but he dissects their weaknesses quite well.

      Thank you.

  • Baby

    Shit we need some Shits and giggles around here..

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Bg-DllN1Hc

    • Missionary Kid

      I’m not a fan of rap, but I loved this. I even came up with another nickname for Kirstie from it: Blind Alley.

      Thanks.

      • Baby

        Oh yes.. perfect Kid..

  • Great White Clam
  • EnthralledObserver

    I can’t even get excited about today’s post. That fucking arsehole of a stepson and his BitchMakemerich fabricated that my hubby made threats against her and her daughter and sent the police to our house, who detained him for over an hour. All in front of my kids who were terrified and upset. I know it was false because I was present for the phone call and no such thing was said at all. But she repeatedly called and texted and made accusations of him being a bad father to my kids that riled him up. And all this because my hubby wanted to see his son on his own without her. I agreed not to go so the compromise would work, but she would not let him go. Court tomorrow. We spent today serving a Protection order back on her over the harassing calls and texts… and detailing the truth about what happened yesterday evening.

    • Baby

      Jesus EO What a F*ckin nightmare.. I am sorry.. Good Luck in Court..Damnit..

      • EnthralledObserver

        Thanks Baby. It’s been so hard today, my hubby is so angry, he’s almost self destructive. It’s taken all my pleading for him to hold it in longer so that I can have a chance to nail this bitch legally. My mother-in-law has dobbed her in to Dept of child services over genuine suspicious of child abuse to her child – ones we only suspected but had no evidence of – the police told me to go ahead and report her because that was DOCS’s job, to find the evidence if it exists. And I’m making calls to dob her in to her local council for setting up and operating a hair salon in her garage with no approval or registration and she’s not qualified as a hairdresser. We found this out Monday when she told my brother-in-law who had seen her and I know she isn’t qualified (didn’t finish her course) because step-son told his mother she hadn’t finished. His mother is a hairdresser and he asked her to sign BitchMakemerich off so she could become qualified – his mother said NO, she wouldn’t do it. I’m also going to dob stepson in to his insurance company who we found out is paying him income insurance payments because he lost his job – but he’s working for his Bitch’s father cash in hand – that’s insurance fraud! This Bitch has run straight into a bee hive… game on!

        • Sibs

          Good luck tomorrow, EO! I think you’ll be fine in court, just hope your kids are okay, that can be rough to deal with all the commotion. What nerve!

          • EnthralledObserver

            Thank you Sibs!

            • EnthralledObserver

              The kids are aware of the situation… they know what’s going on. It was scary on the night, but they aren’t frightened now… just worried and sad for their Dad.

            • Charlotte

              A true measure of this woman that she can’t put the best interests of the children first, neither hers not yours. The kids have you an your husband to explain what is happening and keep them feeling safe an loved and they will be okay. Some life lessons are learned through darker experiences. You will find the positive for them and they will be better equipped for it.
              Best of luck. I’ll be thinking good thoughts for you tomorrow. Kia kaha.

        • Eivol Ekdal

          Just try to convey to the Judge that despite all the events leading up to this point your focus is, and has always been, what is best for the kids.

        • Interested

          Take a deep breath. Step back. Stay calm even though you want to throttle her. That will win the judge over more than ranting. We are all routing for you and your hubby whose heart must be broken.
          Don’t kids understand wives/husbands can be transient, good parents are forever.

        • Baby

          OMG.. Let us know how it goes.. Yep I would be beyond pissed! Sounds like you guys are a fighters though.. this is the time.. Shit.. Go get ’em

      • Eivol Ekdal

        Where Judge Judy when you need her?

        • EnthralledObserver

          No Aussie version of Judge Judy unfortunately… she’d see right through this friggin slag!

          • Eivol Ekdal

            Luckily a lot Judges share those super powers of deduction, they are used to smelling crap. Good luck, remain calm, and let the facts work for you.

            • EnthralledObserver

              Thanks EE!

    • Charlotte

      So sorry, EO. I posted on previous story asking how you were going with these two. Sorry to find out the situation has deteriorated further. Love and light to you and your family.

  • Baby

    I am so tired.. but snippy informed me about a theory causing Biggi Reichert’s injuries on her head ( the video is here somewhere.. maybe someone can post..) but found this on WWP and makes sense……..night everyone..I’m pooped..

    Sekee said:

    I’m speculating here but I wonder if the electrical burns
    could have been caused by a PAP-IMI machine? Scientologist doctor David
    Minkoff was using one in his clinic a few years ago and it’s just the
    sort of pseudo-science crap that Scientologists are into. The electrical
    probe on the machines have been determined to be unsafe.

    Weeks later, BioMed IRB discovered a more serious problem at a study site, Lifeworks Wellness Center in Clearwater, Fla.
    During
    a review of clinic records, the IRB learned about two patients whose
    deaths had not been promptly reported. A woman with cancer and a man
    with heart disease and chronic renal failure had died several days after
    receiving PAP-IMI treatments.
    The review board determined that LifeWorks’ president, physician David Minkoff, had failed to properly report the deaths.
    The
    delays — one of them five weeks — made it difficult to determine if the
    treatments had caused or contributed to the deaths. The review board,
    as required, alerted the FDA about the lapse.
    In a letter to the review board, Minkoff wrote that the “treatments had nothing to do with their demises.”
    During
    the study, Florida health officials suspended Minkoff’s medical
    license. They determined that he had prescribed medications
    inappropriately to a woman in 1995, according to the FDA and the Florida
    Board of Medicine. (Lisa McPhearson)Snip

    Ten months after discovering the illegal
    use of the PAP-IMI, California Department of Health Services seized
    four machines from Bio-Energy Services in June 2003, essentially
    shutting down the clinic.
    When a
    California Food and Drug Branch research scientist disassembled the
    device, he determined that it “poses significant hazard” to both
    operator and patient. The device delivered a “substantial and dangerous
    electrical current to the loop or probe that cannot be regulated by the
    person.”http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2004022178_miracle19m2.html

    • Snippy_X

      That’s it! Nice work, Baby! Oh, and sweet dreams…

      • Baby

        Aww little kitty.. I love seeing you pokin out of your little bag..

        I think that’s it Snip.. Makes total sense to me..thanks..

    • DodoTheLaser

      Considering Steve Pfauth’s account on Hubbard’s struggle to “handle” some resistive, pesky body thetan/s in his last days and demanding to increase the E-Meter voltage to “address” that “problem,
      I wonder if PAP-IMI was designed with the same goal – to “assist” advanced OT’s to “resolve” it all…

      • Baby

        Dodo.. Do you we would all think.. ” Hmm could that have happenned ” in several circumstances happening when it doesn’t refer to Scn.

        but knowing all the information that we know about this dangerous cult..

        Shit no matter how far fetched theories are is believable.. What you stated certainly makes sense to me.

    • Interested

      Hi baby, here is the link I posted yesterday http://youtu.be/Yg6fAsSG3ts
      It does have English sub titles if you push the double c in the right bottom corner.
      Please rest… Not good to be tired.

      • Baby

        Oh sweet doggy..thank you thank you.. I was too tired to even look for it ..ha.. xo

      • Free Minds, Free Hearts

        What a tragedy.

  • Sibs

    Nothing much to report on Leno, he’s playing it safe with Krusty. Aside from her verbal slip that she lies all the time.

  • Great White Clam
    • Exterrier

      Damn, all of our trolls just caught pneumonia and died. Keep posting that.

      • DodoTheLaser

        May trolls and Bunkerites unite!

  • valshifter

    No Christmas stage yet on Hollywood blv. at the old Christie Hotel building, the scientology sing wrapped on plastic

  • DodoTheLaser

    The Ideal Org Scam video is very informative. Great satire too! Thank you guys!

  • Mark

    I was going to say “Blast!” at this news that the British $ciloons have pulled the wool over the UK Supreme Court’s eyes, but ultimately it’s a meaningless victory if just two clams can now get hitched according to Slubbard’s supposed religious service: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-25331754

    • RBE

      I initially thought the same, but the verdict set out that within the definition of religion they were using Scientology is a religion. Tax breaks would likely be sought and the religion angle used as leverage for other benefits.

      • Mark

        All they can get is here is registered charity status (and possibly avoid jury service) – it’s not the same as the US. But they probably will try something on – even if it’s just fiddling while Rome burns.

        • DodoTheLaser

          Yeah well, only one problem – since when scientology is charitable?

          Rare random VM gigs and the photo-ops don’t count.
          I am talking consistently and inherently charitable.

          The answer is – since never. There.

    • DodoTheLaser

      Next: Jedi’s wedding.

      • Mark

        Shortarse’s GAT II ‘correction’ of M/Us in Hubbard original wedding ceremony:

        “So – uh youse guys wanna get hitched, hunh?”
        “Yo”
        “OK so unh haveya got tha… like uh, rings’n’shit?”
        “Waddaya mean ‘shit’?”
        “My minister’s fee, assholes!”
        [etc.]

    • Sunny Sands

      In Florida, all it takes is a notary public to perform a wedding, someone who legally acknowledges signatures. It’s fairly easy to become one.

      • Mark

        Probably makes it easier to marry a horse than a member of your own sex in some places, eh? Unlikely that floods of fresh meat will favour a creepy cult’s premises over a registry office as a simple wedding-venue in the UK.

    • Krew13

      Just read this. Awful news. Expect a statement later today from the Sciloons calling this their latest global victory and that it comes in a period of eleventy thousand new churches and twelvety million new members.

      • DodoTheLaser

        In their dreams.

      • Mark

        Foregone conclusion – but I hope they’ve wasted lots and lots of money on barristers etc., in the months it’s taken to get a judgement.

    • Nevermore

      If they claim they are open, I’m off to Saint Hill with my camera, like a proper tourist!

    • ThetaBara

      I just hope she gets a cat out of the deal. She’s entitled to one according to the ceremony!

  • AintMizBahavin

    one more step in the devil lovers plans to erase, denounce, and spit in the face of GOD. im sure hubbard is dancing for joy and the militant midget is praising his self and his accomplishment

  • http://www.skippress.com/ Skip Press

    Never forget this about OT3 – after the success of “Star Wars” with $cientologist Lon Tinney as a production manager and feeding info “uplines” to Ron via Yvonne Jentzsch at Celebrity Centre, Hubbard got the “bright idea” to put the whole OT3 story in screenplay form. That was “Revolt in the Stars” which was to be made by a bunch of $cientologists who formed a film company in Hollywood. So Hubbard was ready to sell out his “big secret” for getting a movie made. Thus speaking to his endless narcissism and greed.

    • ThetaBara

      Looking forward to your book! How’s the fundraising going? Care to post your link?

  • Funkmaster5000

    SCIENTOLOGISTS ARE ASSHOLES

  • Dave Roberts

    Nobody should feel bad about being duped by Scientology. This is how many cults and false religions work; sleep deprivation, thousands of repetitions of meaningless perception numbing exercises, limiting your food intake (as at Sea Org), supposed “secret” insider knowledge that is peculiar to the cult, fostering an us against them environment.

    In truth, everyone has a “hole inside their heart” that they are seeking to fill – cult leaders merely take advantage of that fact as they attempt to control and manipulate their acolytes.

    Dave
    prophecy102

  • violetskyye

    Just thinking about the logistics of this [and I can’t believe I’m wasting the mental energy to do so] are mind-boggling. With just 7 billion people, Earth, um Teegaeak, is pretty crowded, so how did they fit 178 million into 10 volcanoes? Are they really teeny tiny people? And did they have the great-great, times infinity, grand-father of Robert Opperneheimer invent the H-bombs by which they exploded the volcanoes and scattered the population? I guess the bigger question is why am I worrying about this when I have so much work to do?

  • Nat-lificent

    test

  • Nat-lificent

    test

  • jlw

    Why has no one asked L. Ron Hubbard how he somehow knows all of these things?? What is his explanation as to how he knows about Xenu and what happened in space 75 million years ago?? Does no one think to ask this?!