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Scientology’s “Bridge:” Claire Headley Gets Us to CLEAR!

ClearBraceletClaire Headley is taking us on our journey to train as Scientologists. She and her husband Marc were Sea Org workers who escaped from Scientology’s International Base in 2005. She spent years working with Scientology’s “tech,” and was trusted to oversee the auditing of Tom Cruise. Go here to see the first part in this series.

Claire, it seems like we’ve come a long way now. Where do we go next after finishing the Expanded Grades?

CLAIRE: Next will be NED — New Era Dianetics. The premise and theory of this level is covered in L. Ron Hubbard’s book Dianetics: The Modern Science of Mental Health. It used to be that Dianetics auditing was first on the grade chart. That was before my time. Then later on, the grades were added as prerequisites to NED. The idea behind it was that the grades would address a person’s particular life problems, so by the time they get to Dianetics they’re in better shape and will keep their gains on this level. But really, to sum it up, this is where you will run out all your engrams and go Clear.

THE BUNKER: Wait a minute. You mean, we’re going CLEAR this week?

CLAIRE: You got it! You mean you’re not feeling the whole unraveling of the secrets of the universe??

THE BUNKER: Well, we’re just amazed that we’re here. And also surprised that the last step before Clear is where everything started, with Hubbard’s 1950 book, Dianetics.

We already blogged our way through the entirety of a first edition copy of Dianetics with author Vance Woodward earlier this year, so we won’t recap all of it here again. Let’s just say that we were fairly astounded by how much the book is obsessed with sex with pregnant women, women being harmed, women and their bathroom habits, and a lot of other misogynistic freakout that hardly ever seems to be discussed about that book. It’s really a horror show. (Go here to start our adventure reading the book with Vance.)

But we also learned the essence of Hubbard’s original “discovery:” The true nature of the human mind. It contains two halves, the analytical half and something called the “reactive mind” which records traumatic memories that occur while we are unconscious. These memories are stored as “engrams,” and later they can be “restimulated” and cause us problems. Dianetic theory allows the subject to relive those traumatic experiences and neutralize the engrams by re-experiencing them and lessening their impact. The engrams with the most power over us we picked up in the womb as sperm, egg, or zygote as we heard things said by mom and dad during rough sex. When we erase those very early engrams, it is then easier to get rid of the rest we picked up through life. Once we’ve erased them all, we’ve erased the reactive mind itself and then, for the first time in human history, achieve the superhuman state of Clear.

Claire, what is “Clear” supposed to be today? It seems like it changed a lot over the years.

In the 1950 edition of Dianetics, a Clear has total recall, is impervious to almost all diseases, and generally lives like a superhuman. Do Scientologists still believe this?

Up_The_BridgeCLAIRE: Yes, achieving the state of Clear is a huge deal in Scientology.

I don’t think the state itself has changed, I just think a lot of the verbiage concerning medical claims have been removed.

The state of Clear is achieved when a person has run out many engrams in the reactive mind, and this is supposed to indicate that the person no longer suffers from unwanted emotions. I can remember thinking that the state of Clear was a magical state — and that it would mean the person would be completely sane, rational, competent and just an all-round stellar human being. However, my interaction with people who had achieved the state of Clear didn’t realize my expectations. Nonetheless, it remains a very significant level in Scientology.

After you’ve achieved the state of Clear, a green stripe is put on your pc folders, which indicates that only someone who is Clear or higher can look in your folder. And of course, the seemingly bigger deal is that your next step (eventually) will be the OT — Operating Thetan — Levels.

THE BUNKER: Claire, we’ve looked through the materials involved with New Era Dianetics, and it’s a pretty massive file of stuff. Naturally, there’s plenty of drilling on the many things we’ve gone over before (it wouldn’t be Scientology without a lot of repetition), and it looks like it would take a long time to get this done. What would you estimate the amount of time it would take? And the cost, of course.

Also, is this something you can do at your local org, or do you need to go to an Advanced Org (an AO is one of the special facilities in places like Los Angeles, Sydney, Copenhagen, and Florida)?

CLAIRE: This can be done at your local org, and it’s one of the last steps before you head off to the AO. I’d say it would take 6 months to a year, and cost would be $40,000 to $80,000. NED sessions tend to run very long.

THE BUNKER: In the pack of materials — which runs to more than 300 pages required beyond the book Dianetics itself — there are transcripts of several Hubbard lectures. So you’d have to absorb all of them, as well.

We’ll give you just a taste of one of them, a short excerpt of a lecture Hubbard gave on May 16, 1963, when he’s talking about the vast time spans that his auditors are going to run into as they’re tracking down engrams on the “time tracks” of their preclears…

Found a datum here you might be interested in. That particular outfit was down toward the center of this particular galaxy and was founded at 52,863,010,654,079 years. And I can’t give you it much closer than that, because when places get founded more or less becomes part of their lies. But it was founded at that time, and it was destroyed on the date 38,932, 690,862,933 years ago, by the 79th Wing of the 43rd Battle Squadron of the Galactic Fleet.

It was not a part of the galaxy. It was a wildcat activity sitting there. They used to drag Magellanic clouds out of the center hub of the galaxy, let them follow the lines of force, and just let them come over a system. Then when they got around to it, they’d send planes in with speakers, and so forth, and give the place the business. But the place very often was totally caved in for thousands of years by these Magellanic radioactive clouds which would just engulf the particular system. You got the idea? I just give you that in brief, just as a matter of interest, because I don’t think . . . I’ve now got good data on the dates. These dates we’re getting are accurate. I have now compared them up the track and squared them around. These are the dates.

You’re not likely to find any implant earlier than or even near 52 trillion, and you’re certainly not going to find an implant closer to present time than 38.9 trillion. And if you find any other kind of an implant, you’re probably looking at a different kind of implant or somebody dramatising it someplace else, so it’ll be a subgrade proposition. So that is the span and period of these particular things.

Well, you get the idea.

But Claire, it really surprises us that this all comes back to Dianetics.

In 1950, you bought a copy of the book, found a friend to audit with, and after 20 to 100 hours of running engrams (with no e-meter), you could attain “Clear” and be fairly superhuman. (At least, that was Hubbard’s claim in the book.)

In 2013, you go through maybe a couple of years of preliminary Scientology (and more than $100,000) before you finally come back to the original point of the movement — Dianetics, also known as “Book One.” After running your engrams (now with an e-meter) you attain the state of Clear, and it’s not even as superhuman as it was originally.

So the “progress” that has been made since 1950 is the addition of a lot of preliminary drills and vocabulary lessons that tend to put in control mechanisms to make you more compliant before you finally get to Book One.

We’re sort of stunned.

CLAIRE: Yes, that concisely sums it up.

I had a fairly unique, though not uncommon experience. I was put on NED when I had already studied all materials on the Clear “cognition” — a fairly specific statement that indicates you’ve reached the state of Clear. (Paraphrased, this is where you realize you created or “mocked up” your own reactive mind.) I was also already mid-OT V at the time.

Honestly, I simply could not stay awake for the life of me.

THE BUNKER: Speaking of the OT levels, with so many of them still to come after Clear, has it lessened the significance of Clear?

CLAIRE: I don’t think it’s less of a big deal, but perhaps there are fewer fireworks, since there’s “much more to come”…

COST THIS WEEK: $60,000

COST SO FAR: $183,197

 
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CORRECTION

Last week, Claire took us through Expanded Grade Four, and we learned about the Scientology concept of “service facsimiles,” something about mental image pictures that turn us into dominating jerks. Claire mentioned that L. Ron Hubbard had a theory that Australians had more “ser facs” to deal with than other people, for some reason. And as a result, Scientology leader David Miscavige would abuse church spokesman Mike Rinder (who was from Adelaide) by habitually calling him a “ser fac’y bastard.”

However, when we saw Rinder and Marty Rathbun in Texas last week, they said that Claire was mistaken. They didn’t remember “bastard” being a word in Miscavige’s vocabulary.

In fact, they say, Miscavige often called Rinder a “ser fac’y cocksucker.”

We’re happy to correct the record.

 
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Brad Pitt and the Celebrity Centre

Yesterday, we talked to Jenna Miscavige Hill, who told us she’d been misquoted in some recent news stories about Scientology celebrities. In particular, she said that she’d told a reporter that her mother had told her she’d seen Brad Pitt at the Hollywood Celebrity Centre near the Purification Rundown area. The ensuing news story claimed that Jenna was saying that Pitt enrolled in the program to go through a detoxing program for drug use. Jenna told us she hadn’t said that at all. And now, we’ve heard from a reader who says she can back up what Jenna is saying. Here’s what our reader sent us…

I can confirm that Brad Pitt was in the vicinity of the Purification Rundown at CC on at least one occasion, but he was not on the Purification Rundown. I know this because I was there and I spoke with him.

It was Spring 1991. I was on the Purification Rundown on the advice of one of my doctors (pause for eye-roll) after I had undergone multiple surgeries and radiation treatment. The Celebrity Centre was undergoing renovations and had all the ambiance of a construction zone. Security was minimal. Lots of Sea Org offspring were running around unsupervised. The Purif area was just steps from a back door and easily accessed. People could come and go to the Purif area from this door without ever setting foot in the rest of the building. The Time magazine article came out while I was on the rundown, and there was talk in the sauna that it was not to be read. So I read it.

Juliette Lewis was on the Purification Rundown at the time. She and Brad were dating. He was a relatively unknown actor at the time but had just been cast for A River Runs Through It. It was a big deal since he would be working with Robert Redford. He was leaving town soon for location filming in, if I remember correctly, Montana.

One day the Purif In-Charge was away from her post when someone came knocking at the door. I heard the knocking and answered it since no staff were around. And there was Mr. Brad Pitt. He was polite and soft-spoken, and he asked to see Juliette. I told him I would go and find her and I asked him if he wanted to come in while I located her. He said, “No, but would you give her this?” He handed me a small gift box which was from a shop on Melrose. And then he left.

I do not know if he ever took a Scientology course, but it’s an educated guess that Juliette would have tried to get him interested. She was a die-hard, second generation believer. They were an unlikely couple. She commented once that he wasn’t her usual type…too beautiful. If he had been on the Purif around that time I would have known it. There was only one sauna and everyone knew everyone else. Remember, the process usually lasted for weeks on end and required several hours per day. Based on his demeanor, he was clearly not comfortable enough in the environment to come inside the Purif offices. He never crossed the threshold. When he left, he went straight out the back door, not into CC proper. This was a budding romance and it didn’t last very long.

Thanks for that account. It may be futile to push against tabloid stories, but if we don’t do it, who will?

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on September 18, 2013 at 07:00

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  • Rob Kline

    On Morning Joe they talked about a concern brewing in the gulf. Possibly will become a named storm this afternoon. Early model has it, not surprisingly, hitting FL. While I sincerely hope nothing comes of this soon to be storm, I do have a lil part of me that would like to see how far a huge tent can fly (purely for scientific reasons of course).

    • Rob Kline

      And to clarify that scientific reason. I wanted to see what flies faster: a flying tent or a flying monkey?

      • i-Betty

        😛

      • ze moo

        As we all know, the fastest thing on the planet {any planet, not just Earth} is a reg chasing a whale.

        • Pretty Nice Lady

          Would love a shoop of that. Hint Hint Observer

          • GlibWog

            Welcome Lady! Glad you have joined us!

            • Pretty Nice Lady

              Thank you. I mostly sit in the bleachers, but sometimes I like to play!

            • GlibWog

              Well either way.. it’s fun! Crazy Crazy times, huh?

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          tweak: a reg chasing a shark

    • noseinabk

      In cased you and JohnP missed this info.

      • HCO Chief

        I’ve been in this tent three different years at Saint Hill. We used it as overflow for the people who didn’t fit in the Great Hall at Saint Hill. It might have had 1500 people in it. Very rough estimate. It’s certainly not designed or intended to hold the main event at Flag.

        • GlibWog

          Welcome HCO.. Great day to join.. Hmmm interesting..

      • RMycroft

        Didn’t someone say that they’ve shortened it a bit for Flag by leaving out some sections?

        • noseinabk

          I dont know, its so difficult to keep up with postings now. But it was stated that little davey had this tent shipped over. If it is THE tent used at Saint Hill then the post below from HCO Chief is pretty informative.

          • Robert Eckert

            It is indeed THE Saint Hill tent. JohnP observed that there is some sense of holy-relic-ness about it.

    • Ms. B. Haven

      There is no way that this incipient storm will hit Clearwater. There is just too much theta there on a regular basis and with the excitement of the upcoming events in October, all OT-ness worldwide is focused on Flag. But….. if for some reason the storm does play havoc with the super tent and other Flag establishments, that would be making DM wrong and a mere tropical storm couldn’t hold a candle to His wrath. The entire OT community would be put into lower conditions and made to re-do their bridge because they had obviously not acquired the abilities that they falsely attested to. Wait…… there’s a LOT of money in that. Bring on the storm! As an added bonus, there are Cornerstones scattered all over Clearwater that need to be re-donated. Up your Stat-ass will take on a whole new meaning.

    • DamOTclese2

      A flying, ripped-up, Scientology tent is a beautiful thing. The lunacy of these Scientology imbeciles is one thing, though, but their total disregard for the safety of their customers and for the safety of non-customers is why the crime syndicate needs to be shut down.

    • joan nieman

      Oh yes Rob!! hope…hope….hope!!

  • Observer

    To me creative implies something that’s entertaining or interesting as well as imaginative. I have to thank Elleraitch for clearing up that MU. His “datum” cited above is certainly imaginative, as was all his drivel, but it’s also tediously, deadly dull, as is everything of his that I have ever seen. It’s no wonder still-ins’ thinking and perceptions are so stunted.

    Claire, I can’t thank you enough for this.

    • Casabeca

      Your beautiful mind was not made for this gibberish, and we know where the misfit lies ;).

    • i-Betty

      I try to imagine the early days when acolytes would sit at the feet of LRH, all wide-eyed and credulous, hanging off his every word, like bedtime stories, and I wonder whether it was astonishing self-delusion that allowed these people to not only listen and absorb his words, but to do so without cracking up, or whether they were on massive amounts of hallucinogenics and it was all part of the woooooooweeeeeee.

      • Missionary Kid

        Hallucinogenics are not necessary. Belief can easily overcome reason.

        • i-Betty

          Do you think he’d go back to his cabin at night and literally rub his hands with glee that they were falling for it?

          • Missionary Kid

            No. He had been lying so much all of his life, and he had the suckers in the palm of his hand, so it was old hat to get them to go along with his lies.

            He just kept telling bigger and bigger lies: whatever it took to keep the money rolling in.

          • grundoon

            Absolutely.

        • joan nieman

          Oh so true Kid…so very true. I liken it to two people in a dysfunctional relationship who are blind to the fact that they are a terrible match but they believe otherwise and will invest in a sinking ship, so to speak.

      • Eclipse-girl

        remember that Dianetics and $cientology would get you off of drugs.

        • DeElizabethan

          Specifically, ethics department gets you off drugs. If you wanted more kool-aid you could not drink or do drugs. I did through the auditing find out the reason behind my need to drink or at lest thought so, at that time. Since, i drink and know why I want or need one and the auditing has nothing to do with it. Their strict rules and obeying are primary that get you off drugs once you’re hooked or sheepified. That’s how it was/is for me anyway.

          • Eclipse-girl

            Do you know when it was that LRH said no one who had ever done LSD could be in Sea Org?

            • joan nieman

              well, we all know he did lsd with Crowely, his “good freind”!

            • joan nieman

              For the grammar police…friend!!

            • Eclipse-girl

              The tale I remember reading (and I thought it was on here), was that some sea org person has a flash back while on board a ship and maybe hurt people. After that, LRH banned anyone who had ever done Acid from the sea org.

            • Robert Eckert

              LSD had not yet been discovered then.

            • joan nieman

              Ok Robert. Thanks for the info.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Yeah, here’s a picture of us when we were all listening to one of Ron’s lectures. Ahhh, good times!

        http://i41.tinypic.com/vim97m.jpg

  • Krew13

    The state of Clear is achieved when a person has run out of money.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      No, Krew, No. When a person has run out of money he/she becomes eligible for the state of Slave.

      • Krew13

        My bad.

        But I’m sure those slaves were grateful for the chance to repair Tom’s motorbike. Wouldn’t YOU want the honor of fixing Top Gun’s bike?

        • Missionary Kid

          Yup. Sand in the crankcase, coming up.

    • DamOTclese2

      Yeah, and the sucker “totally recalls” he was swindled.

  • Nevermore

    Is there any official line on why a 1950s clear was so much more superhuman than the modern version?

    • Snuzey

      Because in the 50’s and 60’s it was still new and people didnt realise the bullshit stench coming from the book until it was too late? Maybe. Although probably not the ‘official’ line… 😉

      • Nevermore

        But I thought Ron’s word was infallible? As well as usually unintelligible. 😉

        • Snuzey

          I imagine if you word-clear ‘infallible’ in Ron’s Amazing Dianetic Dictionary it might not be quite what is in the Oxford dictionary! It will have a special *Ron Caveat I expect.

          *Everything I write is infallible until it becomes impossible to defend and so I will change it and then that will be infallible. And you will forget what I wrote before with a click of my fingers.

        • MarionDee

          It reminds me of Ron Zeigler, Press Secretary to Richard Nixon: “This is the operative statement. The others are inoperative.” –April
          17, 1973. The “inoperative” statements were Watergate related, and the press had exposed them as total lies. RZ tried to neutralize that making them sound like broken vacuum cleaners.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

      that is all

    • DamOTclese2

      For the same reason there are no miracles with the deity-religious any more.

  • John P.

    Once again, seeing Hubbard’s mental meanderings in print is priceless. Once again, he shows his complete lack of knowledge of science, despite claiming to have founded a religion based on scientific principles. This week’s case in point:

    They used to drag Magellanic clouds out of the center hub of the galaxy, let them follow the lines of force, and just let them come over a system.

    The Magellanic Clouds are two relatively small, irregularly-shaped galaxies that are essentially orbiting our Milky Way galaxy. There are only two of them. They are not a type of stellar formation, as Hubbard uses the term here.

    What’s interesting about this small detail is how it shows that Hubbard can’t resist embellishing stuff to make himself sound even smarter, even when the detail isn’t necessary to the story. He can’t stop himself. An alien race that can manipulate mass amounts of stellar matter is a pretty powerful force in the universe. And you don’t need to mis-use the name of something else to describe them for it to be an interesting scene. It’s almost like he lies even when he doesn’t have to… Truly sick.

    Also, Tony, it’s the mark of a scrupulously honest journalist to run a prominent correction to clear up a misquote, like the appellation David Miscavige used for Mike Rinder. In this era of “doubling down” on a mistake instead of just admitting it and moving on, your sense of integrity is refreshing. I just hope this correction is not in response to a letter from the creepy cult lawyer Kendrick Moxon demanding that you clear the matter up!

    • 1subgenius

      “It’s almost like he lies even when he doesn’t have to.”

      I’ve known and know several people with this brain problem situation. Off to google the cause of it.
      One weird example: I let a friend ride my scooter. He said “You should let my girlfriend ride it. She’s been riding all her life. He used to have a Honda 500.”
      So he rides off, she comes up, and I say, “So, you ride motorcycles.”
      She replied, “I’ve never ridden a motorcycle in my life.”
      When I told her what he had said, she said, “Oh, he’s a serial exaggerator.”
      She’s in for a surprise.

      (Here’s a start: “Making matters even more complicated, compulsive lying is often a symptom of a much larger personality disorder, which only makes the problem more difficult to resolve (see, narcissistic personality disorder and borderline personality disorder).” http://www.truthaboutdeception.com/lying-and-deception/confronting-a-partner/compulsive-lying.html

      Speaking of which, I have my own brain problem situation, or two::

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2WxgKw0kXk

    • WhereIsSHE

      JP-
      Your bank of knowledge never ceases to amaze.
      I read that Hubbard nonsense and just about fell off of my chair, but I admit I only knew enough to know it was pure hogwash.
      What is almost impossible for me to reconcile is that so many of the ex-cult-members who have shared their personal stories are so bright, and yet, there they were (well, some of that, at least), believing that this lying moron was some sort of sage for the ages.
      Yeah, yeah… the brainwashing, blahblahblahhhh….
      But seriously, folks.
      The nonsense about the Earth being created in 6 days (right? the 7th was a day of rest?) seems a lot easier to buy into than the insane garbage that Hubbard spewed.
      I mean, “[T]hey’d send in planes [PLANES?!] with speakers [yeah, cause…. the power of… SPEAKERS, oh, Brother], and so forth, and give the place the business” ?????????!!!!!!
      You have got to be kidding me!
      I understand the fact that control over the cult members has increased exponentially over the years, but in the very early days, did no one ever stop to think to themselves… with “planes”?????? Planes in SPACE???!!!!

      • Missionary Kid

        Planes in space is the way that Star Wars fighters operate. Wings on a deep space vehicle? That was only one of many contradictions to logic that I spotted when I first saw the movie years ago.

        At least one knows that Star Wars is all fantasy, instead of something that someone insists is the truth of a religion.

        • Nevermore

          I think the Jedi in the Bunker will get back to you on that one! 😉

          • Missionary Kid

            I’m willing to risk it. I was 32 years old when it came out, and I’d been reading science fiction books for at least 20 years, had read Willy Ley’s Rockets, Missiles & Space Travel in the early 50s, and was a pilot and familiar with the need for reaction jets for maneuvering in space.

            George Lucas used WWII B-17 footage as a reference for his space battles.

            I enjoyed the movie, but realized one had to check one’s brain at the door for the science depicted in the film.

            • Ms. B. Haven

              MK I think you might be on to something here. This just jumped out at me:
              “I enjoyed the movie, but realized one had to check one’s brain at the door for the science depicted in the film.”
              All you have to do is change a few words:
              I enjoyed scientology, but realized one had to check one’s brain at the door for the science depicted in the cult.

              This is a PERFECT description of what I did when I was ‘in’. I was young, naive, and searching for something in life to sort out my confusion. Caught up in the group validation and love-bombing, it is easy to check one’s critical thinking skills (limited at that age) at the door and before you know it you’re asking for another glass of kool-aid.

            • Eclipse-girl

              very good analogy.

            • Missionary Kid

              As I posted elsewhere this morning, belief can easily overcome reason. It’s good to be out, isn’t it, as painful as the journey may have been?

        • Moonshot

          My freind, the X-wing fighter operates (in the stories) in space, and in atmosphere. NASA and the airforce have attempted to develope such technololgy. The Space Shuttle was intended to be a “space plane.” Hence, the need for wings.
          Not that i’m trying to defend Hubbards absurdity here, but i am defending the X-wing star wars fighter. I loved that thing as a kid.

          • Missionary Kid

            Then why was it necessary to deploy the wings in space?

            I realize that the various fighters would be able to be used in an atmosphere as well as in space, but it space, wings are vestiges that add unnecessary mass, which, for maneuverability and acceleration, would be a hindrance.

            • Gordon Freeman

              Do you really want us star wars fans to go all wookiepedia on you? Really, you want that? 😀 😀 😀

            • Missionary Kid

              The one thing that Wookepdia has in common with Ronopedia is that both are made up. Other than that, Wookepedia is fun, and Ronopedia is flat out evil and contradictory.

            • stanrogers

              Well, except that they would have a greater angular moment if they mounted thrusters (increasing maneuverability) and provide for parallel weapons mounts (no need to worry about convergence/divergence in achieving a spead at a distance).

            • Missionary Kid

              You want to minimize mass. Having a wing is unnecessary to put a thruster far away from the center of mass. Besides, Lucas had the fighters moving as if they were in atmosphere, and one could hear the sound of an explosion, which one would not hear in space, since there’s no atmosphere to conduct the sound.

              If one put wings on a fighter, they should be optimized for different atmospheres. What works on earth wouldn’t work well on, say Mars or Venus.

            • stanrogers

              Why would anyone build both struts and wings (which are nothing more than skinned struts) on the same craft? That would be poor engineering; there wouldn’t be a significant mass savings if the racing were anywhere near the required skin strength to achieve the same stiffness. And the sounds aren’t real, they’re just part of the situational feedback electronics. Sheesh!

            • Missionary Kid

              It’s easier to have detachable wings or vestiges on a space-craft. One doesn’t need 4 wings to do the job.

              Pitch and yaw axis movements are easily handled by thrusters fore and aft. Movement around the roll axis can even be handled by only one arm sticking away from the craft. To change direction of one’s trajectory in space, thrusters are inadequate, and flipping the whole craft around is necessary so the main means of thrust can be pointed in the right direction to vector the craft.

              As it stands, there are no indications that even thrusters are used on any of the “spacecraft” that Lucas depicted.

              What the fuck? I’m debating about a made-up universe of a film. It’s as unreal as LRH’s.

              It’s a fucking movie, fer chrissake. Today’s spacecraft have not turned out to look like educated guesses of scientists in the 1950s. Look at Chester Bonnistall’s illustrations at the time in Rockets, Missiles, and Space Travel. BTW, he was the illustrator who did the space scene where the wheel satellite is being approached in 2001.

            • stanrogers

              Hey, you bit the bait, MK. I merely trolled by.

            • Missionary Kid

              Yup. I’m just one big lollipop on this one.

            • Moonshot

              On a fixed wing craft, the wings are not deployed, they are simply there. With a sufficient military grade power plant, the wings are not a hinderance to maneuverability in space. In space they simply act as a weapons and sensor platform. If engines are mounted to them, they are a the structural plant for that. There is no point of making the wings retractable for space operation as this does nothing to change the mass equation and their is no drag in space. Retractable wings are strictly a feature to change flight characterists in atmospheric flight.
              If the space plane is meant to operate within or near the atmospehere of planetary objects, as well as in space itself, then the wings are not a “vestige” but are a necessary design element.

            • Missionary Kid

              O.K., to beat a dead horse, unless a fighter had hyperdrive to get close to a planet, in deep space, wings are extra mass, and mass inhibits performance and maneuverability, which I would assume are important on any fighter.

              On an X-wing fighter, as I remember it, the wings deployed (not retracted, but changed position) as the fighters took off.

              Also, realize that wing shape and size are dictated by the type of atmosphere they fly in. A wing that works well on Earth doesn’t work well on Mars or Venus, to use our solar system as an example.

              Face it, Lucas’ imaginary fighters are based on a fantasy of what takes place in the future, and he designed them in an earth-bound concept. They all moved as if they were in atmosphere, because he used WWII films of air battles as his inspiration and models.

              IMO, you’re making the same mistake that $cions use about LRH: accepting an imaginary world as if it were based on reality. I fell into the trap in debating it with you.

          • Imelda Marcos

            The space shuttle needed wings b/c it landed on Earth, it was a giant glider when it came down, right?

            • Missionary Kid

              Right. It would have made a lousy fighter. It was, in effect, a space truck that landed on earth.

            • Imelda Marcos

              I watched Space Cowboys. 😉

            • Missionary Kid

              I didn’t, but it’s been described as such in writings about it.

      • filosofa

        I get the impression that people were, in general, much more credulous in those early days. Also the fad for self-improvement and enlightenment+vat was just beginning to boom and Hublards BS appealed to many who were simply vulnerable or going through difficulties of one sort or another.

        I was just a lil’ hippie chick in the 60’s/70’s and those were “complicated” days – lol. Anything new and space-agey/psychedelic-ish/rebellious was eaten up with a spoon by many youngsters looking for something different and better than the stuffy old mores of the older generation.

        Enter Dianetics and then $ciloonolgy…a perfect pyramid-sales con for the times.

        • Missionary Kid

          By the 60s, Ron had refined the con a bit, so it was easier to ensnare people.

          • filosofa

            Exactly, MK! ELrons gravy-train just kept on rollin’ complete with new “impovements” and fiendish refinements ready to trap each new generation. EllaraichHublard – if you can hear me anywhere – you are an evil SOB!!!

            • Missionary Kid

              You’re too kind to LRH.

            • filosofa

              Oh MK. Please DON’T EVER say that..I thought you liked me! “cries*

            • Missionary Kid

              I do like you. It’s just that evil SOB seems so inadequate. 😉

            • filosofa

              Shame we don’t have an expert list compiler here in the Bunker who has a user-friendly list of hateful names for us to access.

              Hmmmm…..Missionary kid, do you not have such a thing for me to refer to?

            • Missionary Kid

              You’re going to have to refresh to see the list.
              L. RON HUBBARD NICKNAMES
              Ai! Perdito!
              Big Bean
              Big Being
              Blubbard
              Blubtard
              D’Doo Ron Ron.
              Dr L. Ron Crankenstein
              Dr. Scrubbard
              El Drone Hubub
              El Lardo Butt
              El Loon.
              El Ronillo
              ElRon ElRey
              Elwrong
              Etron (turd) à la Persil
              faiL wrong tubblard
              faiL wrong tubblard
              Fat Bastard
              Fat Fraudster
              Fish lips
              Flubhard
              Flubtard
              Ginger Slugtard.
              Ginger-Haired Gastropod
              Hell Ron Hublard
              Hub Tubbery Tub
              Hubbard the hole
              Hubbard the Hutt
              Hubbarf
              Hubtard
              Jabba the Hub
              Jabbard the Hutt
              L Rabid Wanker
              L. Can Hubcap
              L. Capitan
              L. Con Hubbard
              L. Crook Hubbard
              Liar Ron Humbug
              Liar Ron Humpty
              LiaRH
              LiarRon Humptydumpty
              Liver lips and a sebaceous cyst
              Long Con Hubbard
              Long wRong Huckster
              Loony Rotten Huckster
              Loopy Retched Humbug
              Lubb-lard
              Lubbard
              Marquis de Fraud
              Misogynistic prick
              Mother Hubbard
              Mr Tubs
              nucular fisicist
              Ron-The-Con
              Sebaceous Squid
              Slubbard
              Sluggard
              The Evil One
              The Great Hubbardini
              The Hub
              The Hubster
              The Mad Hatter
              The Master of Pablum Foufou
              The Tubster
              Theta Tomata (applies to all clams)
              Tubbard
              Tubber Hubber Man
              Tubby
              Tubsterino

            • filosofa

              A veritable epithet feast. MK. Love your fabulous lists. 😀

              Edit – may I offer EllaraichHubstard or The Hubstard for your approval?

            • Missionary Kid

              Thanks, but the brilliance comes from the Bunkerites.
              Refresh.

            • ThetaBara

              You forgot “Fatty” which one of his associates used to call him to his face!

            • Missionary Kid

              Sharp eye. I thought I had it.

            • GlibWog

              I would spit in his face.

            • Eclipse-girl

              I think kicking him in his privates would be allowed, too

            • GlibWog

              There Ain’t Nothin Private about that Con Man.. Evil Liar.. Creep..

              I keep hearing how Charismatic that Asshole was.. UGH.. My definition is entirely different..

              I have an Excellent HONED Bull Shit Detector

        • Eclipse-girl

          when you write of that time, all I can think of in how Co$ snared Tory Christman and others.

          • filosofa

            I love ToryMagoo, E-girl. As an example, she is perfect here. Young, naive, innocent, with a burning desire to save-the-world. So very glad she eventually escaped the cult and now does such wonderful work on youtube etc.

            • Eclipse-girl

              I know. She has magnetic personality. I do not see how anyone could dislike her. I am sad that she lost 30 yrs in the cult. She does great work.

          • Interested

            Just read an article (don’t know how to put in the site so will just write its title) I found it very informative as to how this particular person became brain washed. The title is BOLLOCKS:Scientology is evil and scientologists are dangerous byBy Michael Leonard Tilse.

            • Missionary Kid

              http://scientologybollocks.blogspot.com/2012/10/scientology-is-evil-and-scientologists.html

              Michael is a sweetheart, down to earth, and a person who has survived fair game. Later on this week, I’ll tell about the meeting with him and others in Portland last weekend.

            • Interested

              He sounds it. It was fascinating reading. Helped me to understand a bit, not fully, because I don’t think anyone who has not been in can really grasp the strange acceptance

            • Missionary Kid

              Realize that when one is brought in that way, they are surrounded by the environment and the personality test has given them all the ammunition they need to target one’s perceived weaknesses.

              It’s really subtle, but effective just the same.

            • Toni m

              Thanks for this link. I really like Michael’s dedication.

            • Kitz

              Michael originally posted that on OCMB: http://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=100838

            • Missionary Kid

              Thanks, Kitz.

            • Kitz

              No problem. I know that there are some who prefer not to visit the bollocks site. This way they can read the essay where it was originally posted. 🙂

            • Eclipse-girl

              Perhaps on ESMB. A number of his essays are there.

              MLT has done a lot to help us Never Ins understand.

        • GlibWog

          Yeah.. And VD

          • filosofa

            Yeah, that too, i understand. Although I have no personal knowledge of such unfortunate matters.

            • GlibWog

              Oh Of course.. There were rumors.. about the 60’s I was just a baby of course..( tee hee)
              ; 0

            • filosofa

              I don’t remember much…

          • Interested

            Hey Glib, careful on the VD thing, in Switzerland that is on all the cars registered in the canton of Vaud. (French speaking canton next to Geneva) they get pretty sticky if you use that in a derogatory way-:)))

            • GlibWog

              OMG

              I’m hiding from the Scliloons and Now I have to Hide from the Swiss? Good God.

            • Interested

              Lol

            • Toni m

              VD?

            • Interested

              Each canton has its own number plate signature. The number plate stays with the owner and not the car. In fact it can be part of an inheritance. Geneva is GE then a number, lausanne which is in the canton of Vaud is VD then a number . Zurich is zh and so on. :-))

        • 3feetback-of-COS

          You are very correct — we have to remember the tenor of the times: end of WWII, hydrogen bombs, cold war, Korea, political and cultural turmoil, and no easy info as we have today with the internet.

          Especially young adults were searching for answers. In any con, the mark WANTS to believe. Perfect setup for a productive storyteller like Hubbard.

          • filosofa

            Thank you, 3feetback-of-COS. Your comments really depict the zeitgeist of those days. The uncertainty and fear were tangible. I can almost see how Hublards fable might well have offered the feeling of some NEW SOLUTION to the horrors of the immediate past, or the terrifying possibility of some future nuclear war.

            The question of modern-day internet exposure of the Co$ not always being enough to stop the growth of this cancer is a puzzler though. Personally, I cannot understand how anyone could still get suckered into the cult what with all the info there is out there these days. The mountains of freely available great information (including The Bunker itself) should surely be enough to act as a warning and deterrent to anyone considering joining the cult today.

            Yet the reason I joined The Bunker was because a dear friend was recently nearly snared by the cult and it’s only because of sites like this and wwp that I was able to help to inform them of the facts. Maybe the weakness – and strength – of the human condition is that we never learn…

            • 3feetback-of-COS

              I take it that your friend was nearly snared without checking it out on the net herself? Good job that you did!

              I think the info available on line now and all the crazy bad PR CO$ gets now probably discourages and saves 90% or more of the potential new people, but still there are a small percentage that have not done their homework/research and thus the CO$ continues, but I think its growth of ‘new blood’ or raw meat (their term) has diminished considerably.

              Without enough new people, I am expecting an ultimate collapse, as the old-timers wake up or run out of money. And the current lawsuits will only accelerate the process.

              I also believe that one strength and weakness of people is imagination and creativity. It is a 2 edged sword – the downside is that, in our quest for answers and understanding, it makes us vulnerable to delusion – to various degrees.

              Hubbard never used the scientific method (see wikipedia) – verification and repeatability — just made up stuff as he went along and stated his theories as if they were fact.

            • ThetaBara

              When we raid, the people just passing by mostly seem to already be aware that it is a scam and should be avoided. This is why I’m now trying to focus on reaching the people who are still inside with my messages. I need to make some signs just for them – I have collected a pretty good list of phrases and questions.

          • Interested

            “Productive storyteller” ! Unadulterated tosh teller, bullshitter, taking the piss teller, vérbal excrement detailer (is this a word? Do I start a bunker dictionary were we all have to understand words?,)

            • 3feetback-of-COS

              referring to quantity, not the quality!

            • monkeyknickers

              YES PLEASE I NEED IT.

              🙂

            • Interested

              -:))

      • DamOTclese2

        When Hubbard saw astronomers talking about “clouds,” the stupid, dimwitted conman thought they were, like water clouds or dust clouds or something. The Magellanic Clouds were “clouds” because they are eye-visible objects that appear as smudges. Only with good telescopes are they shown to be galaxies in their own rights.

        Hubbard was such a frothing idiot.

      • monkeyknickers

        Yup. What the fuck, huh?

        Tho I DO find the world made in 7 days thing just as obnoxiously stupid. Like Hubbard talking about a freight train on Venus.

        They’re all ravings of a madman. 🙂

        OR WOMAN I’M NOT SEXIST.

    • i-Betty

      Dear Mr Ortega,

      Could we please ask you to kindly correct the wording in your story re. Mr David Miscavige’s affectionate nickname for Mr Michael Rinder from ‘bastard’ to ‘cocksucker’.

      ML,

      Mr K Moxon

      • Roger Larsson

        The ones having LRH or DM portraited on their butt tell scientologists the truth. If it isn’t gaseous clouds coming out from their mouthes it can be something heavy they are up to.

        Will “Suckers” go the same destiny as the Neanderthal man? The exploitation of Suckers has reached such a low level where they as species are threatened. Maybe it’s time for politicians to place Suckers under the protection of the law for future generations sake?

      • Sherbet

        We have to be sure those ecclesiastical trademarks are correct.

        • monkeyknickers

          HAHAHAHA

      • DamOTclese2

        ROFL! It’s like the journalist that said “half the politicians are crooks” and when some shit bag politician ordered him to post a “correction,” the journalist did so, stating that “half the politicians are not crooks.” 🙂

        David is such a bastard cocksucker.

      • Jgg2012

        Your bloggers have repeatedly called Mr. Miscavige a midget. He is actually a dwarf. Please make that correction.

      • ThetaBara

        Best Correction EVER!

    • Eclipse-girl

      I got a question that deals with the History of Science.

      Prior to COBE, what was the estimated age of the universe?

      What was the state of cosmology when LRH was spouting off this stuff? Did cosmologists / astrophysicists / physicists / astronomers know these were false statements?

      I knew as I read TO’s article that Hubbard didn’t know shit about the Magellanic clouds, as John P states. Scientists would have known those statements were false.

      • ze moo

        Leraich’s ‘knowledge’ seems to date from 1940-50. Until IBM scientists detected the cosmic background microwaves around 1962 estimates of the age of the universe were all over the place. Lrooons fav example of human evolution was Piltdown Man. That was discovered in 1912 and determined to be a hoax in 1953.

        • Eclipse-girl

          Concerning Piltdown Man, while it wasn’t proved to be a hoax until 1953, lots of scientists doubted its authenticity.

          I do not think anyone writing a PhD thesis in the early 50s would have cited Piltdown due to the controversy.

          [/u]A History of Man[/u] came out in 1952. I love PZ Myers “review” of it earlier this year (in Aug). It contradicted what was known about evolution in the early 1950s. Biologists know it was full of BS.

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        Hubbard is a pretty good example of what Germans call a “besserwisser,” or (literally) a “better-knower.” We would say “know-it-all.” He had a smattering of knowledge on many subjects, and sort of tossed it all in to a stew of made-up stories and pop psychology. The key to understanding just how wrong he got it is in knowing the state of information on any given subject at the time he was speaking.

        Case in point– the location of the volcanoes where OT III took place. In Hubbard’s day plate tectonic theory was barely a glimmer on the horizon. Orthodoxy held that the earth was actually gradually shrinking (due to cooling of the interior), forming geological features. Hence, volcanoes remained in the same location for millennia. This is what Hubbard described, unaware that millions of years ago, many of the locations he described simply didn’t exist.

        • Eclipse-girl

          “Know it alls” get to me. There is a need for attention, and proving to others that you are smart. I find they are usually wrong.

          • GlibWog

            Well shit.. I’ll try to hold back my knowledge E.. ( ha)

            • 1subgenius

              You’ve been doing a pretty good job so far.

            • GlibWog

              HHHHHHHHaaaa.. Yes I’ve been restraining myself Sub..

            • 1subgenius

              You are very wise.
              Better to keep your mouth shut and have people think you’re a fool, than open it and remove all doubt.

            • GlibWog

              Where did you avi go?

            • 1subgenius

              It goes to Disqusland sometimes.

            • GlibWog

              Okey Dokey Smokey

            • Eclipse-girl

              I have not seen you be arrogant, which is a common attribute of Know it Alls.

              You may be Glib, but that is different.

            • GlibWog

              I Know Nuthin..

              I See Nuthin

              I Hear Nuthin

              I Am The Walrus

              OK… that doesn’t make sense. .. Ohhh Yes I’m being Glib E

            • stanrogers

              Sgt. Schultz was Paul McCartney?

            • GlibWog

              Yes.. See I know more than I let on. You get an a+ for Hogan’s Heroes reference Stan…

            • Eclipse-girl

              Koo koo a joob

            • GlibWog

              hahahhaa

          • 1subgenius

            Every know it all is wrong about that. Ironic.

            I’m ain’t saying I’m better than you are
            But maybe I am.
            Only know that when I look in the mirror
            I like the man.
            (Randy Newman)

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxLwV3j0A7w

            • monkeyknickers

              Aw. I gots a soft spot for the newman, tho I came into the long after his “time” 🙂

            • 1subgenius

              He tells me that reports of his “time” being past are premature.

            • monkeyknickers

              Yes true. I’m being a dick.

              I should say . . . . I came long after the moment when Randy Newman became PUBLIC FIGURE Randy Newman that everybody knows like you know the Beatles.

              :)))

              Like – ehhm – well fuck – loads of other people I was non-extant for. Led Zeppelin. Jimi Hendrix. ET CETERA

              🙂

            • stanrogers

              Jimi was a collective hallucination.

            • 1subgenius

              No, no, I was being a ser fac’y cocksucker.

            • monkeyknickers

              You would sincerely not believe the amount of time it took for me to figure out what the hell you were talking about.

              🙂

              BUT! Now I’m all edumacated and shit. And I want to be a ser fac’y cocksucker too!! The Robin to your Batman, friend. We’ll lay waste to Hollywood Blvd. :))

            • ThetaBara

              We’re all ser fac’y cocksuckers on this bus!
              Damn. I’m going to have to teach spellcheck how to spell “cocksucker” now.

            • Missionary Kid

              I watched his induction into the R&R hall of fame the other night. What a large quantity and quality of work.

            • Eclipse-girl

              Nice reference

            • stanrogers

              I think Mac Davis said it better 🙂

        • Missionary Kid

          LRH was an ecclesiastical Cliff Claven.

          • Douglas D. Douglas

            You got it.

            • Missionary Kid

              Cliff was the subject of laughter. Unfortunately, with the evil done, LRH personally doesn’t deserve much laughter, except for J & D.

          • Robert Eckert
          • Imelda Marcos

            This is brilliant, you don’t know how much!

            • Missionary Kid

              Thanks.

      • John P.

        The fact that the universe had a finite age is a consequence of thermodynamics — by the early 20th century, physicists knew that stars couldn’t burn forever. Also, in the early 20th century, Edwin Hubble showed that the universe was expanding, leading to the Big Bang theory (not the TV show, the original one). At the time of Hubbard’s lecture quoted in this article, the universe was generally believed to be somewhere between 4-5 and 25 billion years old. While the Big Bang wasn’t shown to be highly likely until Penzias and Wilson at AT&T Labs discovered the existence of “cosmic rays” in 1964, the year after Hubbard’s lecture, it was becoming fairly widely accepted in the world of physics before that time.

        The point is that for at least a decade or two before Hubbard gave this talk, it was understood that the universe had a finite existence, that existence was in the low billions of years, and that an existence of many trillions of years was simply not possible. So, yes, any practicing scientist from the day would have known that Hubbard was spouting amateurish gibberish that couldn’t possibly be true. And it is not just that he got complex details of theory wrong — he got the most basic terms wrong, as he did with this drivel about “Magellanic clouds.” Hubbard himself could have done a bit more word clearing of scientific terms 🙂

        • Missionary Kid

          Hell, LRH could have done a bunch of {word clearing} on all the subjects he expounded on and found out how wrong he was, but truth is not the goal of a con man.

          • DamOTclese2

            Hubbard would only “word clear” from his own dictionary which he himself wrote since all the world’s scientists and the scientists that came before them were all obviously wrong.

        • Eclipse-girl

          TY. That is the information I was wanting.

        • 1subgenius

          Since Hubbard was 20 years behind the times, that means present day Scientologists are 20 + 60+ and counting.

        • stanrogers

          To be overly generous, it wasn’t until the angular size of the anisotropies of the cosmic background were resolved in about 2004 or so that the question of the curvature of the universe could be more-or-less answered (it’s provably flat to within the tolerance of measurement). Before then, one couldn’t take an acyclic expansion as a given (there could have been a bang-crunch cycle, something so, well, unhandy as a container for life — what with all of the multibillion-year forced hiatuses waiting for things to cool down and for things more substantial than helium to stand on to be synthesized and all — that only an incorporeal and truly Hubbardian thetan collective could have or would have postulated it into existence for such use), so time in this universe wouldn’t necessarily have had a meaningful starting point (except as it applied to a particular expansion). Not that I’m suggesting that Ellaraitch was up on the literature or anything, but even Fred Hoyle had trouble with accepting an origin.

          • Eclipse-girl

            What you are saying is dumbed down speak,–>
            It wasn’t until 2004 that science found the evidence that the universe is flat, meaning that it will expand forever

            Until then, it was reasonable to believe the universe expanded until at a certain point, gravity caused a great crunch.

            Given that possibility, there would have been at least one crunch cycle before the present time

            • stanrogers

              I mentioned something about the writing hitch yesterday. I don’t do simple, as a rule, when there’s a more complicated way of saying things. T’anks.

            • Eclipse-girl

              No, not worried about your writing style AT ALL.

              I deal with well educated people in various fields. Most of them value precision in their presentation.

              I just wanted to make sure I understood what you said.

            • DamOTclese2

              Yeah, the Hubble Constant appears to be growing, the rate of expansion appears to be accelerating. I have to wonder at the amusing lunacy of Hubbard these days had he had access to the Internet and the sheer volume of facts. My guess is the clown would be even more dismally lunatic in his grandiose exclamations of how everyone else is simply wrong about reality.

            • Eclipse-girl

              I do not think the con would have worked either.

          • DamOTclese2

            It’s also rather amusing to see Hubbard spewing insanity about galactic-spanning empires considering the Fermi Paradox in that had the drug-addled conman’s frauds being sold to the rubes been even 1% correct, the activities of the Empires that Hubbard talked about would be naked-eye visible from Earth — leave alone the amusing contradictions that would ensue from the highly disrupted fossil record.

          • John P.

            Stan, I thought the major experiment that showed the anisotropy of the cosmic background was COBE in 1989-1992. I’m certainly not a physicist, but I happened to get myself seated next to George Smoot at a dinner party in 1989 or 1990, when they were getting their first data from the experiment, and I heard all about it from the man himself. Are you talking about a further refinement that removed measurement error from COBE, or am I confusing a bunch of things?

            Incidentally, I was specifically thinking of Sir Fred (“Mr. Steady State”) Hoyle when I said that the Big Bang was becoming “fairly widely accepted” rather than saying it was completely a done deal. One has to respect him for his body of work including his opposition to the Big Bang theory, even though he turned out to be wildly wrong on that one (I also enjoyed reading all his science education and SF books when I was a kid).

            • stanrogers

              COBE was suggestive, but it didn’t have the resolution necessary. All it could demonstrate with any certainty was that there was inisotropy consistent with inflation.Toco, BOOMERanG and WMAP had to happen first before any definitive determination could be made as to the angular “chunk” size, and while the data collection happened starting in ’99-’01,… well, let’s just say that ASCI Red wouldn’t be an impressive departmental computer today, and they didn’t have access to anything like that. Your average Wall Street quant has more on his desk today than was available to analyze the CMB data.

              And I have to have some sympathy for Sir Fred. Steady State was a product of Yorkshire stubbornness meeting head-on with the possibility of a Creation moment, and Hoyle would have made Richard Dawkins look positively Catholic by comparison.

      • Robert Eckert

        Aside from the difficulty of our galaxy being around for “trillions” of years is the implausible precision of the time-interval, down to the exact year (and Hubbard “apologizes” for not being able to give us further accuracy!). The theory of relativity was already well established: the length of a time-interval depends on the frame of reference by which it is measured, which he does not give us, and would need to specify very precisely for all of his digits to be meaningful; a frame of reference differing by only 40 meters per second (the Earth’s rotation at the equator is about 450 meters a second; the orbital motion around the Sun about 290 kilometers per second; the Sun’s motion relative to neighboring stars far faster, etc.) would not agree with Hubbard’s figures down to that last digit. As usual, he thinks he is making himself sound oh-so-scientificky when a real scientist would know his statements are meaningless.

        • Missionary Kid

          Ultimately, when examined, all of his statements are meaningless, but they’ve hurt many people.

        • John P.

          My favorite is when Pat Broeker claimed at the announcement of Hubbard’s death that he had gone back on the “whole track” by a number of years represented by a 347-digit number. Broeker put up a projection of the slip of paper with a scrawled number on it as “proof,” which I am sure the audience accepted without question. Lots of fun can be had by re-reading Tony’s story about this here: http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/2012/07/scientology_xenu_whole_track.php

          • DamOTclese2

            And of course if the insane conman had been asked to repeat the number he gave previously without being allowed to read what he wrote the first time, he would be unable to. Just like the Mormon conman who could not “translate” the “gold plates” a second time accurately.

        • smeddum

          Did Hubbard remember these dates and and his scrambled ramblings and repeat them verbatim in different lectures, etc…?

        • DamOTclese2

          Hubbard had long known that previous snake oil salesmen before him found the marks to believe more if they were given specific numbers. “I cured 37 people of cancer in the previous town with this, folks, 37! If I can cure 37 poor afflicted in Calico, what could I do for your community?”

          Give the marks numbers, dates, locations and they’ll believe more than if you’re vague. But of course the successful conman will never spew anything that could be tested then and there. That’s where the Internet comes in. 🙂 And the hearsay of Google.

          • Missionary Kid

            That’s what McCarthy did with the claim of communists in the state department and other places.

            • DamOTclese2

              I remember that. 🙂 Yeah, Hubbard was a fucking Republican after all. 🙂

      • DamOTclese2

        Prior to WMAP and COBE and the rest, the age of the Universe bounced around from 10 billion to about 25 billion based upon the calculated distances to pulsars, quasars, and other highly luminous stellar objects, and the red-shift velocity of receding galaxies. There was much speculation and wide variance because of a number of factors, including the minute parallax distances that could be observed.

        As instrumentation became better and better, the age of the observable Universe was much more finely tuned.

        But EC, there is the distinct possibility that the observed Universe is only one of uncountable trillions in that if the curvature of the Universe is closed, flat, or opened, it may be that we are inside of a “bud universe,” a pinched-off fragment of a much large macroverse within which uncountable universes have been spawned from the quantum foam.

        Each pocket universe would have different ages and be totally isolated from each other. The age of our expansion phase would be from the start of when our universe budded out of the much larger manifold of space-time.

        • Eclipse-girl

          More things to ponder when looking at the stars. Astronomy / cosmology / astrophysics is not my area of knowledge.

          I am aware of a multiverse hypothesis.

          I really just wanted to know the LRH was full of shit when he made those statements, and most scientists in those fields would have said so.

        • Robert Eckert

          LRH is specifically claiming that these trillion-year-old events happened in THIS ga-lax-y.

      • Real Shellback

        Very simply; people who do astrophysics and such don’t have time to run around refuting every crackpot who thinks they know everything. Hubbard never published his “findings” in a reputable journal and if he managed to do so he would have gotten rather harsh criticism – that’s putting it mildly. The fact that Hubbard could not take criticism meant that his wacky ideas could never actually enter the purvey of science and remained fringe gibberish of a crackpot.

        • Missionary Kid

          Tell that to our friend Theo. He’ll never believe you. 😉

          • Real Shellback

            Well; it’s not a question of belief! 😉

            • Missionary Kid

              It is for Theo. Like I’ve said, he is a True Believer in LRH. 😉

        • Eclipse-girl

          I know that scientists do not have the time to refute crackpots.

          I just wanted to know what was “state of the art” at the time

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      ” It’s almost like he lies even when he doesn’t have to…”

      ^^^ THIS is the unmistakable sign that the person is a habitual liar.

      • monkeyknickers

        You are pretty and smart
        🙂

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          Aw, Tanks!

          And so are YOU!

          • monkeyknickers

            Ha!

            How do you know ? 🙂

            Maybe I’m a 52 year old Raiders fan with a limp.

            OR

            A 27 year old girl with a limp.

            OR

            A 63 year old highly sentient house plant with a limp.

            YOU CAN NEVER TELL.

            *

            • stanrogers

              Or a super-intelligent shade of the colour blue? (Perhaps with a limp, seeing as you keep going on about it, but that would just be because of the prism you’re temporarily refracted into, or perhaps a stylish affectation.)

            • monkeyknickers

              Oh I love you people.

              Relatedly, thank god the cover on that book at the library sale was weird and attractive to me or elsewise I would have NO fucking idea what you people are talking about.

              Much like I do with Scientology.

              🙂

        • Eclipse-girl

          So are you MK,

    • Kim O’Brien

      Reading Hubbards little rant …the first thing that popped into my head at 6:30 am …was ..: Tom Cruise is so freaking stupid ”

      Theo ….where are you ?? Indies …??…WAKE UP

      • GlibWog

        Theo.. Theo.. Where For Art Thee Theo..

        Indies.. (?) You need to give up THAT Ghost..

      • monkeyknickers

        Who is this theo person?

        I seriously feel like everyone’s annoying little sister. “Okay what? Who is that? Okay what? Who is that?”

        • Missionary Kid

          Theo is an Indy who drops in from time to time. He is Greek, apparently living in Turkey. He still believes that LRH was a scientist, and that he actually did research. He has a flat learning curve.

          • monkeyknickers

            Oh sad little man. Hmph.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Sadder still…..Theo used to be a lawyer.

            • monkeyknickers

              Christ!

          • Eclipse-girl

            I have seen him. His monikor is Theopolus…….

            • Missionary Kid

              Old joke:
              Some parents named their kid Theopholis.

              When asked why, they said it was because the was theopholis looking kid they’d ever seen.

            • Nevermore

              [groan]

            • Missionary Kid

              Correct response.

        • John P.

          Theo is a guy who lives in Greece. He is a true “indie,” who believes in the truth and wisdom of all of Hubbard’s “tech” but thinks the cult is evil and corrupt, etc. He comes and goes from the Bunker, and when he’s here he will discuss in great detail his take on things. He has typically been very active over on Marty Rathbun’s blog.

          Theo will never convince me that the tech has significant value beyond random chance, but I have to give him props for being persistent, for doing a great job arguing in a language other than his native tongue, and for staying above ad hominem attacks and other crap. Even though he won’t convince me, listening to him is a useful touchstone as one thinks about the cult.

          • Bury_The_Nuts

            I got a soft spot for Theo too. He really is a nice guy (for a juice drinker)

            • GlibWog

              and he is cute! ( tee hee)

          • DamOTclese2

            But John, hypnosis does have some serious therapeutic benefit for some people. Of course being lied to, getting swindle out of serious money contradicts any such benefit. 🙂

          • monkeyknickers

            Okay I am so excited right now JP. Maybe re-arranged a little but that is the PERFECT and exact way I’ve been trying to describe Hubbard’s total thing.

            “Hubbard’s teachings have no significant value beyond random chance. ”

            YAY YAY. I’d been going with ehm . . . “Total bullshit” but yours is better.

            I’m gonna sound so smart the next time I have to discuss this ridiculous sibling situation I gots.

            🙂

            • John P.

              MonkeyKnickers, to clarify: virtually all of Hubbard’s theories about life, the universe, and everything are total horseshit, as is much of what he wrote. I was thinking specifically about auditing in hedging a bit by saying “random chance” instead of total bullshit. It’s equally improbable to say that auditing will never work as it is to argue that “the tech works 100% of the time when applied standardly,” as loyal cultists maintain.

              I have corresponded with a number of people, both publicly in comments here and privately, who have reported significant “wins” in auditing that delivered real, persistent improvements in their well being and life situation. Some delving into the details of what their life was like before and after suggests that auditing did in fact help them solve major problems.

              Agreeing that there are anecdotal cases where auditing is beneficial is not at all the same thing as admitting that auditing is generally beneficial. As statisticians say, “the plural of ‘anecdote’ is not ‘evidence.'” I militantly believe that a large population study of patients undergoing long courses of auditing inside the Church of Scientology would generally show at best no improvement and, more likely, deterioration in their mental health, though the same study would show some cases where dramatic and sustained improvement occurred. My bet is that the number of cases showing big “wins” would be substantially less than most currently accepted therapy models like Cognitive Behavioral Therapy, and probably less than a “placebo” group (if it were possible to construct such a control for a comparative study).

              So how can some people benefit from a quack treatment? I am sure there are plenty of studies within the world of psychology/psychiatry that show almost any attempt to intervene will help some percentage of patients. More generally, the “Hawthorne Effect” (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawthorne_effect ), which revealed that factory productivity improved just because “experts” were coming in to study productivity should provide a clue.

              And some people just don’t have anyone in their lives willing to listen — an early artificial intelligence experiment called ELIZA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ELIZA ) analyzed sentences entered at a terminal by a user and turned them around into further questioning, simulating a particular psychoanalytic technique. Given the limited computer horsepower available in the 1960s, the ELIZA software was extremely simple, but many people who tried out the program felt they were getting beneficial insights, including people who knew they were talking to a computer program instead of to a real therapist.

            • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

              Here is my wild guess. I think that had Hubbard just talked about auditing he would have done people some good. Had he just tried to quantify the sort of talk therapy that was going on in the psychiatric offices of the time, he would have produced a viable self help book.

              But as we know there are problems. The whole notion of the suppressive will do a person more harm than all the dianetic therapy he gets. The suggestions of what to look for when auditing are laughable. SImilarly for the heightened powers one is to attain. Add in the Scientology cosmology, the word clearing, the idea that you can force another person to stay, the whole notion that they are mankind’s only hope, the constant referal to fake stats, the overwork, the taking of people’s money… need I go on? And the end you’ve got a loon. It is a school for psychosis.

              But I think, had he viewed Dianetics as an attempt at quantifying psychotherapy it could have flown.

            • monkeyknickers

              You know sweets, I think it’s as simple and fundamental as this:

              “I feel icky inside and I’m sad a lot and I need a witness and also I’m really scared of dying.”

              To me that sums up every adherent to every cult (including the cults of christianity and islam and . . . etc)

              Luckily I know the answer to everything.

              It’s 42.

              WINK.

            • monkeyknickers

              Also and:

              Honey, you can just call me Knickers. 😉

              God I crack myself up. What a total disaster my brain is sometimes.

          • Ziontologist

            I really enjoyed your analysis. You think scientifically.

            I would say that any amount of Scientology is bad, if it involves believing in something that isn’t true.

            But even if the dogma is false, that doesn’t mean the tech doesn’t work. (WHA?)

            Scientists have documented the beneficial effects of meditation. That doesn’t mean they believe in reaching nirvana.

            For a scientist who’s only interested in scientific explanations for things, Buddhism is not even on the map. Yet they acknowledge the stress-reducing effects of meditation.

            Now imagine if someone sold you a course on meditation. Learning how to meditate. So far, so good. I’m building the Andrea Doria out of balsa wood. (WHA?)

            Somewhere along the line, you have an expletive experience that made you really happy. You credit meditation.

            Now they tell you, there’s another level of meditation that’s WAY BETTER. And it ‘s a secret … and very expensive!

            The analogy may not be perfect, but that’s the indie viewpoint. The con is bad. But the groovy vibes we got were good.

            Even so … is there really a such thing as a “Bridge?” That takes you from normal human to some other plane of most-excellent-ness?

            I don’t think so. But I believes in personal growth. And I know that people contextualize that in different ways, depending on their beliefs.

            Even if there isn’t a bridge, there are lots of different kinds of auditing. Lots and lots. Is any of that beneficial to your mind? Better than a crossword puzzle? Or a ’54 Strat?

            You’d really have to break it down.

            • John P.

              Learning how to meditate. So far, so good. I’m building the Andrea Doria out of balsa wood.

              That couplet is perhaps the best single lyrical pair in the entire Steely Dan canon, and is on par with anything that Cole Porter ever did. The protagonist in the song (“The Things I Miss the Most” off the “Everything Must Go” album from 2003) is saying that he’s doing OK after a painful breakup in one sense, then immediately going back and saying that he’s retreating to the 1950s and building a model of a sunken ocean liner, much like some of the more psychotic Alcatraz inmates built models of the Golden Gate Bridge out of matchsticks in their cells. This is Fagen’s lyrical brilliance at his best.

              I agree that it’s possible to experience personal growth in non-scientific ways. We are not alive long enough to reduce the mind to a computer program that we can accurately debug. We all have to do the best we can, try different stuff, and see what works empirically even if we can’t justify it theoretically. You’d be amazed at some of the stuff I, a ruthless rationalist, have tried in the quest for a) enlightenment and bliss, b) more ability to get outside my head to understand my own biases so I can make more money in my job, and c) to make progress on other stuff in my life where I’m stuck.

              Is any of that beneficial to your mind? Better than a crossword puzzle? Or a ’54 Strat?

              Since I’m not a musician, I can’t appreciate a ’54 Strat. But I have several comfy Eames chairs. And as much as I love them, happiness in the abstract beats rosewood, leather and chrome all hollow.

          • q-bird

            This is a very fair & kind description of Theo, Mr. Capitalist. Fine as kind. Thank you.

    • RMycroft

      As usual, Hubbard’s space opera makes no sense. Why would a “they” who can move ga-laxies around need to conquer planets?

    • Sherbet

      Thanks, JohnP, for putting into words my reaction to lrh’s pronouncements. What an ass he was!

    • Eivol Ekdal

      …and all this happening about 38.9 trillion years before today’s best estimate for the Big Bang at 13.8 billion years ago.

    • Spackle Motion

      JP, I don’t recall Tony repeating the Brad Pitt story here unless I missed it (which is entirely possible because I usually don’t have time to read everything). And he was quoting Jenna’s comment using the word ‘bastard’ but it still came from Jenna directly. The difference between ‘bastard’ and ‘cocksucker’ would seemingly be a large difference but in the context both are still a pejorative words so I can’t imagine Crazy Moxon would split hairs over something like that when it is a quote attributable to a reliable source.

      But then again….Moxon is stupid enough to be spitting out love notes to Tony probably every day for just about anything.

      I read his “correction” as a tongue-in-cheek-smirk comment meant to be funny.

      • John P.

        I was speaking specifically of the appellation used for Mr. Rinder, not anything about Brad Pitt. My comment was an equally tongue in cheek riff on his tongue in cheek correction. Remember, there is a reason why Steely Dan is the official house band of The Underground Bunker.

        • 1subgenius

          Only a fool would say that..

          • Robert Eckert

            He’s been telling me he’s a genius ever since he was 17. In all the time I’ve know him, I still don’t know what he means.

        • Eivol Ekdal

          It should be the soundtrack for GAT Phase II…
          “You Go Back, Jack, Do it again…”

        • Spackle Motion

          Got it.

          But did you know that Steely Dan is playing at Ruth Eckerd Hall??? I’m not sure if you saw that on my earlier comment.

      • Eclipse-girl

        I do not think TO ever said anything about BP recently. The comments were picked up by “rag / celeb media” just like the “auditioning of wives” story

        He made a reference to it yesterday in order to state exactly what JM had said, as any respectable journalist should have done.

        To the reader who added more info, TY for sharing.

      • DamOTclese2

        Really? “cocksucker” is pejorative? 🙂 3.5 billion cocksuckers might disagree. 3.5 billion cocksuckees might also disagree. 🙂

    • monkeyknickers

      Meandering indeed. What a fucking NIGHTMARE this man is.

      In the words of Christopher Hitchens (tho he was referencing Falwell) Hubbard should be regarded as lunatic who should be selling pencils out of a cup.

      Clouds? Trillions of years? 747s in outer space?

      YOU MUST BE JOKING.

      Then again, many millions of people around the world think you’ll go to Dead Person Disneyland if you eat fishsticks on Fridays.

      Ah . . . . . . . those frontal lobes. You love ’em and hate ’em.

      • Missionary Kid

        How’s Ash doing? I emailed you.

        • monkeyknickers

          Hi luv

          Hmmm

          (scrunchy face)

          I wrote back . . .. . fuck modern tech. well AND Hubbard tech 🙂

          Well in any case – she’s better – for sure – but not as better as I’d hoped and I’m getting nervous. I say this knowing that I’m being way weird hovering parental type. I just want her to feel better, the sweet girl. Maybe I need to trim my expectations here.

          • Missionary Kid

            It takes time. She should be a little better each day. Remember, all those bugs are battling each other. Only worry if she doesn’t show any improvement.

            Sometimes it helps to write down her vitals and behavior so you can compare how she’s progressed. As a parent, one’s mind can be clouded by worry.

    • DamOTclese2

      The insane conman thought that atoms have memories. 🙂 And yet the crime syndicate’s ringleaders demand that he was a nuclear scientist. 🙂

    • Imelda Marcos

      “What’s interesting about this small detail is how it shows that Hubbard
      can’t resist embellishing stuff to make himself sound even smarter, even
      when the detail isn’t necessary to the story. He can’t stop himself.”

      As a die-hard practically life-long astronomy buff, it cracks me up when Hubbard mangles astronomy; just one of the dozens of times he really could not stop trying to look smarter than he was.

    • Jgg2012

      But John, LRH was in the Van Allen Belt. He saw things no one else could see.

    • richelieu jr

      YSBOHB… FLUNK!

      YSCOHB… SO MUCH WIN!!!!!

  • Krew13

    It’s truly remarkable how the penny never drops with these Sciloons that they’re constantly being fleeced by the Choke of Scamatology for ever increasing new levels that they have to attain. It’s the equivalent of the online scams where gullible victims are told to wire an amount of money in order to collect a massive sum of money and each time they pay they’re told they have to pay just one more administration fee or something and they’ll get the money, and it goes on and on, and the victims fall into the trap of believing that they need to make “just one more payment” and they’ll get that $1 million prize.

    In the case of Sciloons, they believe they’re always just one or two levels away from reaching perfection. And of course the built-in protection against the awareness that they’re being conned, which that fat fuck Hubbard came up with, was to brainwash Sciloons into believing that if they didn’t feel being a Sciloon was helping them, it was THEIR fault and that the only way to achieve superpowers and feel better is to spend more money on further levels.

    • Casabeca

      I really feel compassion for those who fell for the scam once, then became trapped. Anyone could become vulnerable during a breakup, when school or home life is a struggle, when you are leaving the security of an old way of living and trying to put down new roots. Life can be hard and complicated for all of us. I’m so glad the Bunker has excellent J&D, as well as it’s care and resources for those afflicted by $cientology.
      It’s another great new day to watch the fall and share the love.

      • i-Betty

        What a lovely comment 🙂

      • GlibWog

        Just Loverly.. Like Eliza Doolittle in a comfy chair.. away from the cold night air.. eating chocolate..

        • Casabeca

          You know we all wanted to BE Audrey Hepburn, right?
          Have a loverly day yourself!

    • filosofa

      “The Choke of Scamatology”…love i!

      Calling Missionary Kid. A new one for your list….?

      • Missionary Kid

        I’m back from a weekend away for a wedding. I was trying to figure out what list to put that on, but I think I know where.

        • GlibWog

          Ohhh hope you had a good time Kid. I knew you had company the other night..Glad to have you back with us..

      • Krew13

        Why thank you!

    • DamOTclese2

      And when the fraud’s claims never work, it’s the fault of the mark. Yep! The classic, most successful scams are those where the victim blames herself for the failure of the scam’s claims to come to fruition.

  • Krew13

    Even putting aside all its horrific crimes and all the bad press about lawsuits and deaths and news of members leaving, the Choke of Scamatology is pretty fucked when it’s PR basically boils down to:

    “Hey! Become a Scientologist and you too can be just like Tom Cruise!”

    Yeah. Great sales pitch.

    • Nevermore

      Or ‘be a Scientologist and you could be the next Mrs Tom Cruise’. Yeah, that’ll really have them flocking in!

      • i-Betty

        Heehee.

  • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

    Thanks, Claire, for demystifying New Era Dianetics. It is nice to hear that the expectation for a Clear are still very high. It has always bothered me that there is no check sheet for Clear but it relies on a person merely affirming that he or she has reached that level. Really, a supervisor should say, “Perfect Memory– Check. Optimum Vision– Check. IQ raised one point for every hour of auditing– Check. Is to a Normal what a Normal is to an institutionalized person, etc.”

    My first introduction to a Clear was in 1970. It was at a Sunday service. The woman was a new clear and they hauled her out to make a little speech to those in the process of being initiated. I remember that she was very enthusiastic, a success story incarnate. There was a problem though. She stuttered. I knew even at the time that stuttering was engramic in origin and clears shouldn’t stutter.

    Well, I wrote a letter to the friend who, more than anyone else, brought me in to Scientology, mentioning the stutter. He lied and he told me that I was misunderstood on the meaning of Clear. A clear, he said, was someone who was the best person that he or she could be. At that point I should have put a highlighter to my copy of Dianetics, quoted Hubbard to him and we would see who had the misunderstoods. I wouldn’t do that, however, for many years. Both he and I had left the cult by then and I would bet anything that the Clear who stuttered, sadder and wiser, had left the fold as well.

    All the best to you and I look forward to the next installment.

    • Robert Eckert

      As opposed to an OT VIII, who is to an institutionalized person what an institutionalized person is to a Normal.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCGm8mgScLE

      • DamOTclese2

        Behold the Master Race.

      • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

        Thanks for the video. I have seen that guy. He spent far too many years in the school for psychotics.

        When I was a teenager I did a locational on myself every night before I went to bed. I have slowed down some since then. Same goes for destimulating myself.

  • Truthiwant

    This Clear nonsence is embarrassing, going back in time and “seeing” when some incident happened. (Oh by the way, just to put the record straight, that planet that was destroyed 38,932, 690,862,933 years ago happened in February. I think it was the 24th or maybe the 25th. I can’t remember now!).

    When I was going Clear, I had to change Orgs and go to Milan because I was apparently a “Past Life Clear”. This meant that in my last life I had had auditing and gone Clear at some point. I remember the final moments of the last auditing session when I had to give the auditor the exact time that I had gone Clear in my past life. Writen below is a summary but to be honest I felt that I was making up all my answers as the auditing session continued, but this is roughly how it went:

    Auditor: “When did this happen?”

    Me: “I don’t know.”

    Auditor: “Look more closely. When did this happen?”

    Me: “About 1956.”

    Auditor: “Give me a precise time.”

    Me: “January.”

    Auditor: “What day?”

    Me: “The 18th of January.”

    Auditor: “What was the time?”

    Me: “It was about 8 o’clock in the evening.”

    Auditor: “Be more precise.”

    Me: “It was just a few minutes after 8 o’clock”

    Auditor: “Your needle is floating. I can tell you that you went Clear on January 18th, 1956 at 8,03 in the evening.”

    Don’t laugh, everybody. I know it is crazy!! Hey, you want to know where this apparently happened back in 1956?

    New York!

    • Nevermore

      I’m not laughing, but what made these details pop into your head?

      • Truthiwant

        The answer to that is long and complex. You have to understand that by this time, after being in Scientology for quite a time, these sort of answers are expected of you. To answer your question very briefly, it’s called brainwashing.

        • Nevermore

          I understand – it’s a bit like me making up ‘sins’ to confess in confession, cos no-one would believe I had nothing real to confess. My only wish now is that as a kid I’d confessed to adultery, just to hear the priest’s reaction!

          • i-Betty

            Lol!

          • Seannie5

            haha same here! I haven’t been to confession in years but I still remember brainstorming with my school pals to come up with original and ‘believable’ sins – we used to fight over ‘don’t say that – I’m saying that one!!’ . If I had to say 4 Hail Marys and my friend only had 3 I was well pissed off! :p

            • i-Betty

              Seannie, that is absolutely hilarious! Kids are brilliant 😀

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              and So true! What in the hell kind of crimes does a 5 year old have to spill 5 or 6 days a week?

            • Nevermore

              ‘Bless me father, for I have sinned. It is one week since my last confession. I have stolen biscuits from mum’s biscuit tin. Been disobedient. Been mean to my brothers and sisters. That is all I can remember.’ That was me till I hit my teens, then I got to add ‘swearing’ and ‘missing mass’ (which has to go first, as it’s a Mortal Sin!) and drop the stealing biscuits one. Then I dropped the whole shebang in my 20s!

            • Robert Eckert

              I thought in your teens you were supposed to add jerking off, or even thinking about it.

            • Nevermore

              I’m female, so jerking off is a physical impossibility! ;-P Yeah, you’re supposed to add the impure thoughts etc, but I decided not to. I decided thoughts were my business, not anyone else’s!

            • Missionary Kid

              Well, god knows them, anyway, huh?
              I’m an atheist now, and even in fundamentalist Christian fervor never confessed to that “sin.”

            • Robert Eckert

              Are you supposed to confess jilling off, or don’t the priests understand the concept?

            • joan nieman

              Ya..you are supposed to Robert!! Isn’t that sick?

            • joan nieman

              Seannie, I too, had to comply with all the rituals of the catholic faith and now I realize how traumatic it was for a child to go into a dark confessional box and say he(she) stole a chocolate bar last week!! I will never condone some of those terrible rituals!

    • WhereIsSHE

      ^&%$#@$%^&*&^%%%^##@$#^*&^^%!!!!!!!!
      Thanks for sharing.
      OH-
      The above is a representation of my brain going haywire!
      All of this is just… B A N A N A S!!

      How Geir Isene (spelling?) can seem so RATIONAL when he talks about how this level and that level were really helpful to him, is what I can’t begin to reconcile.

      • i-Betty

        That’s one of the things I find so compelling about Geir’s interviews.

        • 3feetback-of-COS

          Creativity and imagination is a 2-edged sword. The downside is that it makes all of us vulnerable to delusion to some degree.

      • Truthiwant

        The whole thing is totally absurd.
        If I had really gone Clear in 1956, I must have died quite soon afterwards because my meat body this lifetime was born in 1958.

        • thatssotheta

          What I don’t understand is this — if you had went Clear in 1956 you died immediately afterward and were reborn in 1958, why would you have to repeat all of the levels up until Clear? Isn’t the whole point of going Clear is that you break the cycle (and don’t have to keep doing it???)

          • Truthiwant

            Am I meant to answer this question seriously?
            OK, let’s be serious for a minute!
            In a way you are right. However, I only learnt that I was Clear toward the end of the whoe “Clear cycle” hence I had already done all the grades.
            Technically speaking (and I’m still going to be serious for another 30 seconds!), Hubbard said that to not have to go back and do all the levels again, one would have to achieve the OT levels and, I think, OTVIII.
            OK, we can start to J and D again!!

            • thatssotheta

              Sorry, yes I was actually being serious! Just wondering what Scientology’s explanation for going clear in a past life would be — regardless of whether or not that explanation is logical or not. :-p Thanks for answering, too bad you weren’t able to go OTVIII before you “died” — maybe you wouldn’t of had to repeat! 😉 LOL

          • Eclipse-girl

            That is logical thinking. That is not allowed in $cientology

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Scientology is a battlefield. Scientologists are mighty soldiers and they’re not playing. If you’ve served time on a battlefield, you Might get an inkling of their thinking. Also, they are just following orders.

            • Eclipse-girl

              I Understand a bit of what war is like. I have tried to research what my father did while in Europe in WW II. I understand the idea of “just following orders.”

              My father as a 2nd LT, who had some battle field experience at the time, argued with a CO who was making some tactical errors. Dad felt that many more men died than necessary.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              That’s understanding on a very cerebral level. It’s like giving birth. If you haven’t done it, it’s not possible to understand it. There’s nothing cerebral about it.

            • Eclipse-girl

              Because I am a never in, I can never understand the Mind Fuck that $cientologists lived through.

              I am sorry that my comment seemed to hurt / offend you. That was not my intention.

            • GlibWog

              Eclipse.. I wrote something equal to yours .. and then deleted it..
              You and I ( never ins..) will sit on the bench together.. and Eclipse.. I understand where you were coming from.. I do I do..
              I also know that your support here to the Exs means a lot.. The Never Ins.. You are right.. We will never know.
              Intellectually we will try.. but it can’t be done..
              Just such a Complex situation.. But I know that everyone appreciates are support. xoxo
              and I am glad you are my forum buddy…

            • 3feetback-of-COS

              For all the Never-ins, maybe this blog article will help a bit:

              Why You Could Have Fallen for Scientology, Too

              http://www.esquire.com/blogs/culture/going-clear-scientology-book-review-15010316

            • Eclipse-girl

              I am glad we are buddies too. (((HUGS)))

              I really like THDNE. I find her posts informative, funny, and kind.
              I hope she will forgive me.

            • GlibWog

              Eclipse.. Oh honey .. You know words can be interpreted differently without the tone..

              I didn’t take it like you did .. I mean to the point of asking for forgiveness..

              Intellectually of course we try to understand, but Hole was just saying you would have to have been in to understand.. And of course we both agree with that..

              It’s like people who say they know how I feel when they give sympathy for my losing my twin. ( Well they don’t unless they lost their twin) but I know they mean well..

              You were coming from a good place.. I know Hole as well as you do from her posts.. She wasn’t scolding..She was just explaining. Glibby

            • Eclipse-girl

              Now you are making me cry.
              It is my background, my childhood that always makes me think I did something wrong.

              TY for being here.

            • GlibWog

              Oh E I am sensitive too..we’ll stick together..

              We are probably the only 2 that Scn wouldn’t accept in.. Cause we flunked the Personality Test.. to the point that they would say..

              ” These 2 are too Fucked up to Join..” hahahhahahahhaha

              PS.. that was meant for a chuckle..

            • Eclipse-girl

              I did chuckle

              I think we might have been too ornery and asking questions about the questions.

              (((HUGS))), thanks

            • GlibWog

              hahah.. I can hear me sayin ” None Ya “

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              (((((((((((((((((Group Hugs))))))))))))))))))))

            • joan nieman

              Glib and Eclipse..I, too, am a “never been in”. I am so very careful what I post that I hardly post at all!! I do read every single blog though, every single day!!

            • GlibWog

              Oh Joan.. You just post away.. seriously.. I’ll let the others do the heavy lifting..( the Ex’s )

              and throw in my 2 cents, compassion and humor. But everyone is invited to post.. Don’t be shy darlin. I enjoy your posts..

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              No offense taken! I just meant some things that are not in the realm of normal day to day life can’t always be understood just by reading abut them. I’ve never been in a jet either, but a rollercoaster is closest I ever came to pulling any G’s. I only went on it once. I can’t really imagine what it would be like to fly jets for a living, other than I would die from a heart attack first flight out
              !

            • Gordon Freeman

              I wonder if that CO was Ol’ “Foxhole” Norman Dike. (ref Band of Brothers)

            • Eclipse-girl

              Dad was in the 334th infantry reg. He joined during the lull of the Battle of Bulge (Jan 45) , before Montgomery’s “push” (which was a tactical error IMHO)

              BoB is about the 101st airborne, right? People have told me to watch it.

            • Gordon Freeman

              Yes. It is about the 509th PiR, “Easy” company as led (for much of the time) by Richard Winters. An equally good perspective which is framed around the same time period is Battleground. It’s older, but the interesting thing is that it bolsters many of the elements of Band of Brothers – you can directly correlate scenes because the men who advised the producers of Battleground were some of the same men whose stories are told in Band of Brothers, or at least those events were witnessed by them. However, Band of Brothers is not without its flaws; Easy Company’s original CO, Herbert Sobel, was relieved of command due to a mutiny in the ranks (he was ill-liked and portrayed in the series as being woefully underprepared for actual combat leadership). However, Dick Winters repeatedly said (essentially) that he was a son-of-a-bitch but he was *their* son of a bitch, and that the killer instinct and surviving by the fingernails instinct they had came from Sobel. He eventually attempted suicide (unsuccessfully) and spent the rest of his days institutionalized. Since the various books and the mini-series about Easy Company were released, his son has attended Easy Company reunions and has reconstructed his father’s memory as not that of a petty, incompetent tyrant but of a man who drove his troops to excellence, and demanded 110% from them in every action; 101st survivors have since softened on their opinion of him.

              Another mistake is the fate of PfC. Albert Blithe. An Easy company paratrooper who suffered combat shock during the first days of the Normandy airdrop, he recovered from hysterical blindness (after a gentle talking-to from Lt. Winters) and went on to acquit himself well on the battlefield. He was struck by a sniper’s bullet and sent back to England to recover. The mini-series states that the men of Easy Company never saw him again and that he died in the hospital in ’46. In actuality he survived, rotated home, but continued to serve in the military and was the fourth highest ranking uniformed officer in Europe when he passed away in the 1960s, not from complications of his injury but from peritonitis.

              With all of that said I’d give the whole series a 95% accuracy rating. I really think you should see it (and The Pacific, another mini series about WWII but set in the other theater).

              God bless your dad, and you.

            • Eclipse-girl

              OK, I will put it on the list of stuff to watch when I am alone. The DH will never go it. I read my Father’s letters home. They were mostly mundane, send food, send socks, etc. But he opens up to his uncle, a WW I vet, in a few letters.

              I am just glad my father survived. I know the war did a number on him. But unlike so many others he was able to reintegrate.

            • GlibWog

              I was just talking to my husband about this yesterday Hole. I understand it.

            • Missionary Kid

              That’s also the reason why I detest “Onward, Christian Soldiers,” even though it’s a rousing tune that had meaning for me when I was a Christian. Same mentality, but the execution of the spirit is different.

        • Robert Eckert

          Your last meat body didn’t become immune to all diseases?

        • Orglodyte

          Heh, this crossed my mind too when so many last life clears started showing up in the 80’s. Working out the numbers, it looked like going Clear was a pretty dangerous thing to do — all these people had to have died right afterwards! Was a crack in the armor.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        One of the many lures of the OT levels is that you Won’t have to keep running on the hamster wheel. And you could be “clear” before Hubbard because you had the “clear cognition” . That’s about as close to ‘splainin’ I could ever get.

        The truth is that your brain circuits get broken and then connection by connection, rewired. Eventually, you get to point that your former “connection” when you see a “family” playing on a picnic ground = [warm and fuzzy happiness] turns into [enemies wasting your auditing time].

        We were driven nuts.

        • WhereIsSHE

          I’m so glad I sort of “know” you, even if only through the “magic” of these little boxes, Hole.
          I believe you, 100%.
          Left to my own rationality, I go from a state of “Are you KIDDING me??” to a state of anger (sometimes).
          When I hear what it was like from someone who has been there–and left– and IS RATIONAL and COMPASSIONATE….
          I become more compassionate on my end.

          I’m sure you must grow tired of people (like me) asking some of these questions over and again.
          I should probably know better by now (but, alas, I have my own issues to overcome).

          I am soooo f-ing glad and GRATEFUL for your insight and wit and humor; for YOU.
          THANK YOU for responding in earnest.

      • TonyOrtega

        “What is the point of going “clear” in any given life, if you have to come back and get “clear” again in the next???”

        Hubbard, in lectures, explained that between lives, you are whisked away to Mars or Venus to get implants that prevent you from knowing about your previous life. After you pick up a new body and grow up, you then have to start over again clearing away implants and the reactive mind in order to regain the knowledge of your “whole track” of existence and your previous lives. The incentive for doing the OT levels is that as an Operating Thetan, you would have so much “cause” over your life and the universe itself, you could resist between-life implanting and never lose track of your identity or your whole track, even as you died and then chose another body to inhabit. This is the whole point of Scientology — to gain “cause” over things so these invading Marcabian forces stop messing with you.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          You left out the most important part: ability to find parking spaces and to exteriorize/fly so you can see what your husband is Really doing on Friday nights.

          • Bury_The_Nuts

            And don’t forget the stop lights.
            You are really at “Cause over MEST” when you can pop those greens at will!

            • Sidney18511

              And don’t forget those amazing skillzs of being able to “cause” the UPS driver to deliver the curtains you ordered online before noon when you were told to expect delivery at 3:00pm. AMAZING, AND WORTH EVERY PENNY.

            • DamOTclese2

              Reminds me of the dipshits that think they can disperse clouds. They lay on the ground and think at clouds and make them go away — a win! Super powers! Mind over matter!

            • GlibWog

              OOOH OOOH and when the Elevator opens when you need it!

            • Truthiwant

              Luv the icon!
              There are so many double meanings to it.
              I pinched it from somebody just like “the squirrels”
              Squirrels bury their nuts.
              …….

        • Eivol Ekdal

          Tony, your’e complete and thorough understanding is starting to scare me. Did you stop off at the Van Allen Belt and chew the fat with Flubbard on the way back from Texas?

        • Gregory Nietsky

          The one thing that gets me with reincarnationists is none of em can account for population growth.

          • Missionary Kid

            For some, it’s a matter of moving up from animals, like dogs & cats or cows when one is reincarnated.

        • Eclipse-girl

          The Co$ never explained why TruthIWant could not remember his/her past life before $cientology.

          Or how s/he had become clear without “the tech.”

        • DamOTclese2

          Well I, for one, enjoy my reimplantations every cycle.

        • joan nieman

          OMg! OMG!!

          • Bury_The_Nuts

            Joan? You OK honey?
            Did you just have a cog?

      • Sherbet

        I know, WIS. It’s all so laughable, and jaw-droppingly ludicrous, yet people believed and still believe. There’s got to be some mechanism that shuts off one’s WTF response from the get-go.

      • Interested

        Yep. Same questions. And only 1956? I was already born, so how old are you truthiwant?

    • Seannie5

      bonkers!

    • Ms. B. Haven

      Truthiwant, I went down a very similar path. I got sent to a ‘higher’ org when they couldn’t do anything with me at the mission where I was getting NED auditing. Everyone thought that I must be clear already because I couldn’t ‘run’ dianetics. I really wanted to find and engram and ‘return’ and re-experience it, and watch it erase; never to be an impediment again. It never happened. I tried and tried. The ‘higher’ org auditors had no luck either. I figured that I was just a “dog pc” that no one could help. That didn’t stop my auditing though. There are alway confessionals to do. No end to those nasty overts to reveal (for a price). This was the time when the RTC was being formed. The sales pitch at the time was that if you are stuck on the bridge to nowhere, you could have your folders sent to RTC for evaluation (for a price) and get your case sorted out by the best of the best. Thank the gods I didn’t go down that road or my purse would be even emptier than it was and it might have taken me even longer to wake up and get the hell out of there.

      • Truthiwant

        Great post!
        Yes, let’s not get in to the “Folder Error Check”.
        Even if the faults aren’t yours and they are, infact, auditing errors, YOU stil have to pay for the folders to be checked through!

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          hah! I accidentally did something right in scientology. I was adamant about that point … having to pay for their errors or their do -overs. I just would Not budge. I learned quickly that if you stand your ground and wait long enough, Hubbard (now Miscavige) would “discover” you were actually Clear or Cause over Regges or Something so you could be waved off and “unstuck”, then jump started back on the bridge, once again harrassed about doing your Next service! I did a lot of standing still on that bridge to nowhere. It got me somewhere though..Out..

          • 3feetback-of-COS

            “Cause over Regges” Uh-oh, thats what OT X if for. You just spilled the beans!!

  • I’ve always been a fan of Ortega’s accurate journalism and his crosschecking sources. So his changing the word bastard to cocksucker comes as no surprise. Most likely a much more accurate word dropping out of Mr. Miscavige’s mouth. Thank you for the correction.

    • Observer

      Bastard does seem a bit mild for this very religious ecclesiastical leader.

      • Missionary Kid

        Correction: Bastard does seem a bit mild for this very religious ecclesiastical cocksucker.

        • i-Betty

          Stop it! I need to pee!

          • Eclipse-girl

            This is not a court day. You have time to use the facilities. No need for a catheter and plastic container

            • GlibWog

              Astronaut Diaper

            • Eclipse-girl

              That is funny. Thanks for the laughter.

          • DamOTclese2

            You’re free to pee at any time, if you wish. After all, you’re not a Scientology customer being held captive, The Bunker allows toilet breaks.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        reading my mind

    • Krew13

      Anette, just wanted to applaud you for your bravery in speaking out on what happened to you. You had a lucky escape. And you’re far too beautiful and intelligent for that insecure midget Cruise who needs to control the women in his life.

  • i-Betty

    “In fact, they say, Miscavige often called Rinder a “ser fac’y cocksucker.”

    We’re happy to correct the record.”

    Hur hur hur 😛

  • MO Mom

    I’m not a Marty fan, but he has some very kind words for Monique’s legal team I his blog. Plus pictures. My heart rate has increased.

  • Seannie5


    Honestly, I simply could not stay awake for the life of me.”
    *guffaws*
    Honestly, plenty of Scientologists have got to find the content of these courses incredibly boring, if not straight up motherfcking crazy, right? As a kid I found some of the Bible stories kinda interesting (Noah’s Ark is a very kid friendly visual), but others I tuned out and forgot the moment the teacher closed her book! Is this how it goes for Sci’s? Or are they groomed to be so dedicated so that EVERY thing holds such special significance?

    • Nevermore

      I’d say they have to try and retain as much as possible – it would be so easy to say the wrong thing/do the wrong thing, and find themselves in a world of pain (literally, in the Sea Org) if they don’t. So they need to listen and remember.

      • i-Betty

        The ‘stick’ method of learning, as opposed to the ‘carrot’.

      • Seannie5

        :/ Yeah. How lucky was I not to have to fear for my well-being for not knowing the names of all the Saints!

        • Missionary Kid

          As a Protestant, we didn’t have saints, but as a fundamentalist, I did have to memorize bible verses.

          • i-Betty

            As a Girl Guide we didn’t have saints or bible verses, but we did get to practice mouth-to-mouth resuscitation on the legless rubber man and learn how to thoroughly peg out a tent.

    • Victoria Pandora

      I just remember in Sunday school, the teacher told us she would give us a prize if we memorized a bible verse for the next week. When it came my turn I simply said; “Jesus wept.”
      I got my prize but I felt like a cheat, lol.
      I propbably paid a few thousand later to “get that overt off”.

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        Citation? We were never given credit for a memorized verse if we didn’t include chapter and verse!

        • Victoria Pandora

          LOL, yes I did have to give the chapter and verse;) That Sunday school was almost as much fun as Scientology. The teacher actually kept a book of matches with her and if you were naughty she would strike one, blow it out and then stick your finger on it, just to remind you that bad children go to hell and it burns!

          • Douglas D. Douglas

            Wow. Did your parents know about this? I hope they didn’t condone it.

            • Victoria Pandora

              Yep, I only had one parent…my mother, whom I look after now, since she is old and frail. When I was 12 she started her own cult and renamed me, Angela. I was a bit of a wild child, a Cherokee… and I had some power to believe things could be better. Next thing I knew people were coming to me for healing. Pretty freaky stuff. So, as you can imagine, I left home at 14… and within five years had discovered how to REALLY save the world, and myself. Things were abusive in my childhood, and I didn’t argue when SCN. pointed that out, although I would never go any further than “good roads, fair weather.” Disconnection is a victims game, I can’t believe that isn’t obvious to everyone.
              Anyway, now I take care of her. I AM CAUSE. LOL.
              Scientology makes a lot of good excuses why people shouldn’t stand up and do the right thing. I think my sister should join right now.

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              Careful what you wish for! You could end up like our dear Ms. MonkeyKnickers…

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        LOL, That is the ONLY chapter of the Bible I remember at all.

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          To be absolutely accurate, “Jesus wept” is a verse, not a chapter. It is found at John 11:35, or the 11th chapter of John, verse 35.

          The shortest chapter in the King James Bible is Pslams 117. Interestingly, the longest is Psalms 119. And the middle chapter of the KJV? Psalms 118.

          • Missionary Kid

            Isaiah 5:11 “Woe to those who rise early in the morning…”

  • i-Betty

    What an absolutely brilliant first-hand account re. Brad Pitt. Thank you to whichever one of you sent that in to Tony.

  • ziontologist

    I attested to Clear, and it fucked with my head.

    I started waking up shortly after I’d gone to sleep. I’d wake up in a panic, and this dialogue would start in my head, “who am I really?”

    I’d always had a good memory. I’d always been free from disease.
    But now, I was defining myself as something different. I was “CLEAR” … but wasn’t I the same person I’d always been?

    And I attested to “Natural Clear,” meaning that I’d always been Clear. But if some people had always been Clear, why wasn’t there a real word for it?

    On some level in my mind, it didn’t sit well with me. I felt like Scientology had co-opted my soul.

    Based on the little I know, I don’t think there’s much you can do to change the nature of your mind … because of the plasticity of the brain, it is capable of all kinds of stuff. But it’s still the same brain.

    I remember the first time I went “whole track,” remembering a past life.

    It was like a dream … a dream I was having while still awake. Or a vivid flight of my own imagination.

    To be sure, there was an element of suggestion – I’d already heard a lot about space opera.

    I had an auditor who for some reason reminded me of a theater major. Sometimes she spoke in a tone that sounded dramatic, almost Shakespearian.

    I’d been feeling down, and she was reading the list of items out loud.

    Suddenly I “remembered” something I did at an outer-space sex club, a long time, like frking millions of years ago, and BOOM!

    I was laughing SO HARD – “line charging.”

    I really believed at the time that this crazy thing that I “remembered” was the thing that was keeping me from being happy, and I felt relieved.

    She said, dramatically, ” The needle floats.”

    I was floating on air for about three days, then the feeling wore off.

    Because the auditing did something to elevate my mood, and I was convinced at the time that scientology “worked.”

    That was the first time I went “whole-track” … and it was probably the best time, too.

    And my auditor was great. She listened to all this stuff without batting an eyelash (LITERALLY).

    Afterwards, after all that auditing, I was hungry for food. On the way home, I stopped for a greasy chili cheeseburger with jalapeños. Yum. Just what the doctored ordered after a day in space!

    I got this auditing at LA ORG for FREE. I paid them NOTHING.
    I was dating the examiner.
    I did get a bill once, but I ignored it. I never got another bill after that.

    OMG, should I go back, after all this time, and pay them? LOL.

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      Pay them in monopoly money.
      Or beans. (The sea org could use the extra rations)

      • ziontologist

        What did I get out of it? A peice of blue sky? What do I owe them for that?
        We should go together. I ‘ll pay them with your pretty smile … and your demonic laugh.
        BAAHAAAHAAAHAAA!

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          I just want to know what you did at that outer space sex club on the whole track that made you line charge.
          Oh wait…….nevermind!
          It would probably get us banned!

          • ziontologist

            It was Mason-esque, in the sense that everyone were having sex and I was the Maestro.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Did you use your baton?

              (OH I am so going to hell today…OK, quitting now!!!!!)

            • ziontologist

              : )

            • Spackle Motion

              I love that man. Dudamel (aka “the Dude”) is such an excellent conductor and I’ve never seen such emotion emanating from a conductor before. He makes Esa Pekka look like a piece of wood going through the motions.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              And he is cute too!

            • Spackle Motion

              Yes, he is! My mother performed with him a few times and said that he’s a bit temperamental during rehearsals but a very effective and emotional conductor. She mentioned that when he first got to LA he really needed to get a driver’s license so he was asking the orchestra for tips. That just sounds so endearing to me. He’s not pretentious at all.

            • ziontologist

              If you don’t mind me asking, what instrument does your mom play? Or is she a singer? Ever hear of Eve Queler? She conducts opera, and she’s one of the very few female conductors.

            • Spackle Motion

              I’ve never heard of her but a Google search shows an interesting background. She’s an opera conductor which is an entirely different skill (and can be really difficult with all of the recitative, a smaller orchestra and more moving parts than a regular orchestral piece), but thanks for giving me that information. She’s got a great background.

              My mother is a singer, and I’ll leave it at that. I’ve seen her perform all over the country including Lincoln Center, Carnegie Hall, Disney Hall, Hollywood Bowl, etc. She’s performed all over the world (China, Italy, France, England, Spain, and other places I can’t remember). One of the greatest moments for me was watching her sing a Philip Glass piece when he was actually there. I got to go to the after party and met him, which was like meeting God (to me). I’m usually not star struck but it was Glass, after all.

            • ziontologist

              Wow. I’m impressed! I may prefer Steven Reich to Phillip Glass, but still, that is SO awesome!
              Conducing opera can be very complex. You have vocalists as well as musicians , and sometimes they may be playing in different time signatures.
              Do you sing, Spackle? Hum? Your mom sounds like she’s nothing less than amazing. Did you grow up with a lot of music?

            • Spackle Motion

              I can carry a tune, but I did not inherit great vocal skills. I am a classically trained pianist and I was somewhat good at it but haven’t played a single piece in about 15 years because I found other career opportunities that paid a lot more and were more to my skill set. Besides, I really hate performing and I wasn’t good enough to make a serious career out of it, and teaching would drive me nuts.

              I grew up at the Hollywood Bowl and around a lot of music. I remember being surprised as a kid when none of my peers had ever been to the Bowl. I just thought that everyone did that and saw their mother on stage.

            • monkeyknickers

              He is wonderful to watch, and a darling wonderful young man personally – funny and sweet. His wife too. I just adore him. He is really living the life he was meant to live and that’s a gorgeous thing to watch.

            • Interested

              Whole track or wishful thinking?

          • Robert Eckert
  • i-Betty

    Right, you cheeky little monkeys, I am off to my weekly therapy session (funny how I feel I can say that out loud and proud after Douglas, Tia, Robert, Aslan and others’ beautifully honest remarks about their own family circumstances yesterday – the last week has been extraordinary in the Bunker, as much for Tony’s articles as the tightening of bonds I’ve noticed among the community).

    Love to you all 🙂

    • Casabeca

      Right back to you <3

    • Eclipse-girl

      (((HUGS)))

      • i-Betty

        I’ve just realised we could have sent you in last night as our heat-seeking Hugger when we needed Glibby to give her patented hugs to Tia!

        Thanks 🙂

        • Eclipse-girl

          it is amazing how powerful (((HUGS))) can be

          • Miss Tia

            TRULY!!!!

            • Eclipse-girl

              I was told you needed some

              (((HUGS)))

            • Miss Tia

              Aw, thanks Eclipse-girl!! (((HUGS BACK)))

            • GlibWog

              Tia you get you self over here.. (((((((HUGS))))))))))))) I am a hugger and it’s just my hubby and my fur babies.. and my hubby can be stingy at times..

              So I am always up for a hug… and smooches.. xoxo Glibby

            • Miss Tia

              Awwwww, y’all were right Glibby, you give the bestest hugs!!!!

            • GlibWog

              Tia.. I have many talents.. that have only come to the surface…. I had to break in slowly because if you are exposed to me too soon..

              You get PNEUMONIA..

              xoxo

            • Miss Tia

              LOL! Definitely don’t want that!! 🙂 xoxo

        • GlibWog

          ( Awwwwwwwwwwwwwww Shit.. What did I miss.. ??? Who needs a Hug? )

          I vowed I would spend more time with my hubby yesterday and last night..
          so I’m all caught up for awhile ( Both of us are..ha we get on each other’s nerves ..

          HE IS THE DESIGNATED ADULT in our family.. ( We are the same age and I told him that I hope I never get as he is.. )

          He told me ever since he moved to Florida he is honing his skills to become the Grumpy old man..

          I told him he is doing one Hell of a job..ha..

          I still can’t believe that I missed out on bonding last night.. sigh..

          (((((HUGS)))))))

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Good for you! Do some good work today!

    • Miss Tia

      ALWAYS be proud about going to therapy!! It’s a sign of STRENGTH!!!

      ((HUGS))

  • HelenNPN

    “ser fac’y bastard.”

    well, it’s in my vocab now, especially with my best buddy Ozzys

    • Spackle Motion

      I wonder if Miscavige spent some time in New Zealand and picked up a dislike of Ozzies. The Kiwis really despise it when people ask if they are from Ozzieland, and usually turn up their noses to the thought of being mistaken as ‘stray-lean. I find it amusing but they don’t.

      • Gregory Nietsky

        Could have come from flubtards dealing with south africa there is a history here with the church but that is all it is a history. no one takes them to serious.

        • Eclipse-girl

          I think that is just the Australian personality is a little more skeptical of “Big Whopping Lies.”

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist
  • Phil McKraken

    Shoop request. From the lips of young Robert Arryn: “Mummy, I want to see the little man fly.” Miscavige head on Tyrion body. Cruise head on Robert. Katie for Lyssa. Thanks in advance.

    • Gregory Nietsky

      Double points if there is a flying tent added

  • Bella Legosi

    Thank you Claire and Tony for doing this series! xoxoxoxoxo

    It is very enlightening. During this series I have been thinking back to the woman whom I worked for at the adult foster carehome (mentally ill). So many “WTF?” moments are now much clearer then they were at the time I was working for her. I keep thinking, “If I had known all this back then……”.

    I will always regret not doing more in that situation and will live with that regret, but it is a small comfort to know the processes that drove this once stable/nice woman into a raving loon after her “auditing” I have come to understanding a lot behind her motivations when she began receiving auditing counseling on her off time; which directly led to her manic/psychotic mood swings and those mood swings and verbal attacks led me to get the hell outta Dodge and find a new job. She supposedly went “clear” back in the 80’s and left her involvement with Co$ at that, but employed her “auditor” for years after.

  • California

    The “correction” gave me my morning giggle……..

  • 0tessa

    Though English is not my native language I understand so much that the term ‘cocksucker’ is not really an ecclesiastical expression. And thus does not befit an ‘ecclesiastical leader’ of a church. I would sack such a leader rightaway.

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    What I’ve learned from Claire’s class: It really IS worse than I thought! Miscavige took a loaded bridge to nowhere and hammered it into an interstate! How long and how much just for NED? hahahaha. I get incredulous when I hear OT 7’s or Anyone allowing all the sec checks after what they Now have to go through just to “clear”. And they still haven’t gotten the memo that they are Not supposed to pay for them! If the org wants to know something, they pay to know it. And now we have OT’s redoing their Objectives and Purif And being told they have to do it for horrendous, mind alternating numbers of hours and they do it and pay it!

    In the Peanuts series when I was young, I used to think that Lucy was the archenemy of the storyline. Now, I’m starting to take a second look at that Charlie Brown kid.

    http://i40.tinypic.com/w8nx9k.jpg

    • Eclipse-girl

      Charlie should have walked away after the first time.

    • thatssotheta

      Spot on analogy THDNE!!

    • DamOTclese2

      “She must think I’m a Scientology customer.”

  • Bury_The_Nuts

    “And if you find any other kind of an implant, you’re probably looking at a different kind of implant or somebody dramatising it someplace else, so it’ll be a subgrade proposition. So that is the span and period of these particular things.”

    Profound.

  • D.Y.G.

    Miscavige seems fixated on the sucking of cock.

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      Well, my Mom always said one should utilize their strengths.

      • Gregory Nietsky

        He is about the perfect height for a cocksucker.

        • DamOTclese2

          Yeah, he can’t help it, he’s always staring people straight in the crotch.

      • KJP in Portland

        :O LOL!

    • Mark

      “The primary conflict at this oral stage is the weaning process – the child must become less dependent upon caretakers. If fixation occurs at this stage, Freud believed the individual would have issues with dependency or aggression. Oral fixation can result in problems with drinking, eating, smoking or nail biting.”

      • Missionary Kid

        Freud was brilliant, but he also had a lot of answers that subsequently turned out to be just theories. 😉

        • Poison Ivy

          “he also had a lot of answers that subsequently turned out to be just theories”

          Freud had a little of the Hubbard in him. Sex was to Freud as Dead Aliens were to Hubbard.

          Which is why Jung (and some of Freud’s other early disciples) split off. They believed Freud was majorly on to something, but that he got bogged down in sex as the root of everything.

          However, Freud was a genius from the get-go. And a TRUE ORIGINAL. His theories were ground-breaking.

          Hubbard was a cribber.

          • Missionary Kid

            In my mind, Freud provided a framework for describing the unconscious that didn’t involve demons or deities.

            It was a starting point, and a construct so that discussion could take place about the human mind.

      • DamOTclese2

        LOL! Sigmund was about as accurate about human behavior as Hubbard was.

        • Mark

          Really, DamO? True, Freud got an awful lot wrong, but he got quite a bit right, too. And as MK says below, his work was at least a starting-point for other researchers. Has anything come from Tublard’s “research” but yet more bunko-merchandising?

  • RMycroft

    “Don’t worry! All your remaining problems will be fixed on the next level.”

    Rise. Repeat.

    • Krew13

      Are you implying that Cruise, Alley, Cartwright and others are brainwashed, gullible fucktard rubes who don’t realize they’ve been hoodwinked by a pyramid scheme scam?!!! How dare you!!! Tom knows!!!

      Isn’t this the laugh of a man who knows?!!

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJOm2mRHDE0

      • Eclipse-girl

        Its the laugh of a person who appears to be experiencing a psychotic break.

        • Krew13

          “experiencing a psychotic break”

          I think that ship had already sailed long before.

          • RMycroft

            They’ll fix that on the next level.

      • Nevermore

        What a walking piece of excrement this creature is!

        Edit – I originally said ‘genitalia’, but changed it – then saw Gregory’s post. Just in case you all think he’s bonkers!

        • Gregory Nietsky

          Genitalia of any form description can be most pleasurable and functional even appealing i do not see your analogy …. 😀

          • Nevermore

            More polite than just calling him a prick or a cunt!

        • Eclipse-girl

          I think you meant fecal matter.

          • Gregory Nietsky

            Next time i need to go ill plant a tom

      • Robert Eckert

        Another excuse to post one of my faves:

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjGmZJu8OnY

        • filosofa

          Bwahahaha! I just looove this guy – he’s the best Tom Snooze mimic EVAH! I cracked up the first time I saw it and every time since. Thank you so much for posting this.

          “Dragonfly can’t fly. I can fly…..*manic laughter*”

          The background track totally adds to the lulz.

        • GlibWog

          Man he Nailed it didn’t he.. I have watched him so many times. He is an absolute genius..
          I love Jerry O’s too.. but more of a parody… This guy is Brilliant

          • Bury_The_Nuts

            I can never get enough of this guy!

  • Mark

    So the “progress” that has been made since 1950 is the addition of a lot of preliminary drills and vocabulary lessons that tend to put in control mechanisms to make you more compliant before you finally get to Book One. We’re sort of stunned.

    Me too.

  • Graham

    “But the place very often was totally caved in for thousands of years by these Magellanic radioactive clouds which would just engulf the particular system. You got the idea?”

    So although the pneumonia-inducing Xenu story isn’t revealed until OTIII the faithful are being fed space opera crap well before that?

    • Eclipse-girl

      yep.

      And I am trying to find out how bad was this science at the time he made such outrageous statements

      I have to believe that astronomers / cosmologists / astrophysicists knew that there 2 Magellanic clouds that could not have been “dragged” around

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        There was no Science or Discovery Channel back then and college was for rich folk only.

        • Missionary Kid

          I disagree. Colleges were much cheaper to go to, particularly state colleges. Living expenses were on a par with tuition.

          I was able to go to college with a little assistance from my parents and working summers and part time during school. You can’t say that now.

          • Robert Eckert

            My mom was cut off completely by her father, but finished school working dumb jobs like salesclerk in a dress shop and waitress at a sandwich place.

        • ze moo

          The Science, Discovery and History channels spend as much time on Bigfoot, the Loch Ness Monster, Nostradamus, UFOs and Alien Invasions as they do on real things. Tis sad…

          • Bury_The_Nuts

            Yeah! WTF happened to those channels? They are looney these days.

            • ze moo

              Ratings and audience numbers run everything. When Duck Dynasty and Hillbilly Handfishing and Honey Boo Boo are established shows with solid audience numbers, I fear Darwin was wrong. But not as wrong as Lroon….

            • Poison Ivy

              Don’t start me on this. It’s my business. It’s horrifying.
              Even “real” science is dumbed down for TV.

            • joan nieman

              Moo..you forgot the Kadashirins

            • Robert Eckert

              Sigh… she finally managed to forget the Kardashians, and you had to go and restimulate that engram?

        • Poison Ivy

          Actually, the 50’s was a boom time in college education for the masses, because of the GI Bill. PaterPI went to college on the GI Bill then went on to get two Master’s degress (one paid by GI, the other by his employer so he could work on an executive level.) First in his family to go.

          This is how they did become “the greatest generation.”

          Lay people were actually more interested in science during and after WWII because of the technology that won the war, the atomic age, etc. (LRH being one of them.) Plus the coming age of space exploration in the ’60’s. Hence the rise of Sci-Fi – comics, books, movies, TV series.

      • Sherbet

        It’s the old adage: For those who have faith, no explanation is necessary. For those without faith, no explanation is sufficient.”

        • Eclipse-girl

          I know I am still wrapping my head around the idea that a higher % of the US population accepted evolution in the the 1950s and 1960s than today.

          • Sherbet

            I don’t even want to think of how much ignorance there still is in the world regarding evolution, race, or religion. It’s discouraging.

          • Poison Ivy

            Now you’ve ruined my day, thinking about that stat.

            • Eclipse-girl

              I will pour you a class of wine if I ever get the yard work done, and then we can talk about ways to improve education in the US

  • chukicita

    Thank you so much, Claire and Tony. This has really been an enlightening, e-ticket ride for those of us who were never in.

    I’m regularly struck by Hubbard’s obsession with time – from his very culturally-centric, Judeo-Christian perception of time as a linear thing to his frothing about ‘correct’ dates on his ‘whole track.’ It’s as though he really believed that by citing specific numbers in an authoritative tone of voice, he could make others believe whatever he wanted.

    • Poison Ivy

      He believed he could, and tragically, he did. (And they still believe. Astonishing.)

    • ze moo

      Everything else Lwrong did had an escape clause in it. Only dates required real precision. You can’t kick out an engram unless you know exactly when it happened or you acquired it. It is very strange, I suspect some very nasty type of schizophrenia, but he lacks other symptoms.

      The ‘obey your masters voice’ thing is an overwhelming $cieno theme….

  • Truthiwant

    After my last post a couple of hours ago, about being a past life Clear, I felt I needed to write some fun stuff. That post made me realize just how stupid the whole subject of Scientology really is.

    So, some fun stuff…

    A lot of the talk recently is about the tent event in Clearwater. Of course, this annual event used to be held at Saint Hill, in England, in the past. So I thought I would share with you some fun facts about Saint Hill…

    There are two big lions that ‘guard ‘ the entrance to Saint Hill Castle. They look quite impressive, but one day when I was walking past them, I looked more closely and gave them a knock with my knuckles. They are made out of plastic!

    In Saint Hill Manor, one of the rooms is decorated with frescoes of monkeys. These are original frescoes from when the Manor was built. I can’t think of a more appropriate animal to decorate the walls of Saint Hill with!

    Saint Hill is directly under the final flight path of Gatwick airport and, depending on atmospheric conditions, there is often an overpowering stench of kerosene in the building!

    The MAA (ethics) office is in a small room just off from the reception area. It has a glass door, so it is possible to see in. Any time I was in Saint Hill, I noticed that it was always crowded with people!

    Saint Hill is set in the countryside. Just three miles east of Saint Hill there is Ashdown Forest. The name of this forest might not mean a lot to many of you, but I’m sure you have all heard of Hundred Acre Wood which is part of Ashdown Forest. Yes, this is where all the Winnie-The-Pooh stories were set!

    There is a big yew tree in front of Saint Hill Manor. This was the tree that Ron Hubbard audited back to life, apparently. On more than one occasion I have seen squirrels running in and around it. Is that not ironic!

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      This is great.

      • Truthiwant

        Thanks!

    • Eclipse-girl

      TY for sharing.

    • Observer

      Too bad there aren’t frescoes of clams.

      • Truthiwant

        No, but just below the Manor there is a big lake. Maybe that’s where life started on this planet!

      • Nevermore

        There are clams in this fresco…..

    • q-bird

      Ah yes Truth ~ deliciously ironic… and just… perfectly truly sweet.

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        had to steal it

      • monkeyknickers

        You are my hilarious wildlife funny pic hero.

      • 0tessa

        ‘Squeeze the cans please …’

      • Nevermore

        ‘So, tell me about your mother…’

    • GlibWog

      Well Shit Truth.. They can hook the Freakin cans to the Trees they Cut down and Audit them back to life.

      • Truthiwant

        Yeah.
        Back in the ’80s, Golden Era Productions made a training film in which there is one scene where a boy drowns in a lake. He is pulled out by some people but he is already dead. HOWEVER, there is a Scientologist that just happens to be there and he takes control of the situation and shouts out, very loudly, with Tone 40
        “RETURN TO YOUR BODY”
        He repeats this a few times and at a certain point the drowned boy starts to mutter something and spits out some water from his mouth and a few moments later he is back to life.
        I’m not kidding. This is really good stuff. I would love to see this film again. It is SO over the top and ridiculous.

        • GlibWog

          OMG I would love to see it too Truth.. Good God..

          • Truthiwant

            One of the best training films ever made by Golden Era was the one describing The Tone Scale.

            Here, a group of third rate actors try to describe each tone with a scene.

            You go through Hate, Anger and Pain on to Mild Interest, Enthusiasm and Exhiliration right up to Serenity of Beingness.

            It is a masterpiece of bad acting and is equal to Battlefield Earth. An absolute gem.

            • Robert Eckert
            • Truthiwant

              No.
              This must be a new film.
              The one I am talking about is quite old and is very cheesy.
              This one is fun but the one I am talking about is a classic.
              Unfortunately I think that these films of the past have all been taken back to never be shown again.
              When I saw these films, they were still using a reel-to-reel projector.

            • Robert Eckert

              Sometimes these things have leaked. But yeah, something from reel-to-reel days is unlikely to be available. Wonder how many of the actors on it are Declared now, anyhow.

            • Truthiwant

              They are probably collecting dust in some warehouse at the moment.
              Would be great if some ex had a copy!

            • Interested

              Watched it. Cool. Now someone’s statistics are going to go up and the “church will say how many ” new meat” watched the video.

            • GlibWog

              I want to see it .. do I have to go to an Org to do it..

              I can’t imagine how over the top it is..I was in Mental Health Films once ( OMG like 1980)

              that was going to be used in training.

              I laugh at what I said and did back them.

              One was that I was Over friendly to a male patient and he molested me because of it.

              ” Hey Jack.. Have you been working out? You are looking great. I just can not believe how BIG YOUR muscles have gotten..Wow..”

              ” Oh Yeah? I’ll show you how BIG MY MUSCLE HAS GOTTEN….

              ” OH JACK NO, NO..”

            • Truthiwant

              I love reading your posts.
              When Scientology made their presentation or training films, they tried to show the Organization as a perfect example of a wonderful group. You get what I mean. These films were so bad that if they were shown now, they would have a cult following. Excuse the pun!

            • GlibWog

              Well Truth.. That is the nicest thing you could have said, because I enjoy your posts too.

              I am an acquired taste.. : )

              Cult following..ha.. good one. because OMG wouldn’t that be a hoot. Renting out a big ol Movie House with all of us showing up and having a blast.. haha…

  • Bella Legosi

    Bought a Time book on Secret Society’s last night. As I was browsing thru it I cam upon this! 🙂 🙂 🙂

    It actually mentions the Magistrate Jean-Christophe (France) findings about how he deemed $cientology obsessed with money and sentenced the Co$ in France for fraud. It also features Tom and Dave in picutre AND gives a mention to the St. Petersberg Times articles (The Truth Rundown). lol The page before the mention of Co$? Heaven’s Gate! lol

    (damn it! took a pic with my droid but the pix are HD and too much for disqus to handle apparently)

    • PreferToBeAnon2

      1. It was just announced that Wright’s book is up for the National Book Award for nonfiction.
      2. Jenna’s book/tour (put out by a first-string publishing house) is a multilingual, multinational success.
      3. Leah tightly clutches BFG for the pap to snap–a single pic results in sales increase.
      4. All 3 of the books above are the top best sellers in the Scientology category on Amazon–which includes Scientology-published books.
      5. The Bunker is pointed to in litigation by CoS suits–not to mention that mainstream press increasingly sites and looks to Tony as a source.
      6. Rinder’s blog statistics (just started in March) are approaching those of a billion-dollar organization with a PR machine that has operated for years (Tony has already surpassed it).
      7. Since the Vanity Fair article and The Master, the floodgates for print and film on this topic have opened.
      8. Now, an unvarnished piece about Scientology is included in a Time compilation book.

      Just a few SPs on the fringe? Not so much.

      • Poison Ivy

        It’s good to be on the Fringe! The Fringes are HAPPENING!

      • q-bird

        sooooo cool Prefer – very cool – thank you for this list.

      • Missionary Kid

        Grammar Nazi comment. I think you meant in #5, “increasingly cites…” Please forgive me.

        • PreferToBeAnon2

          I sit corrected.

        • PreferToBeAnon2

          Unrelated… MK, I finally saw Night Flight and enjoyed it! What a time for flight that was. I need to go back and re-read Exupery–it’s been awhile. Thanks for letting me know it was out there.

          • Missionary Kid

            St. Ex is, to me, a saint. I’m glad you liked it.

            • PreferToBeAnon2

              I kneel corrected.

      • joan nieman

        The power of the Anti_Cult is mushrooming like a hydrogen bomb. Tony Ortega you rock Sir!!

      • Bella Legosi

        Nice count! 🙂

        I think its about time to take the “Church” of $cientology’s tempurature again! I shall wait to write up another once I feel inspired! My SPness is always honed better when I am inspired. Like the post a few months back and of course when I re wrote “Old Time of Rock n Roll”! lol Risky Buisness was on last night too! I watched it and wow I sorta feel bad for Tom.

  • Krew13

    This has got to be one of THE lulziest things ever! A room full of brainwashed drones singing to and applauding the photo of a dead tax evading misogynist psychopath with a song so fucking cheesy, it makes Justin Bieber’s music sound like Bob Dylan.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbonrdqxN9Q

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      Ears.Bleeding!

      • q-bird

        YES! AWFUL & YUCKY & a pisser – hip hip POOH-rah

        Here, hear to heal your ears – some honest audience participation & the pentatonic scale:

        http://youtu.be/ne6tB2KiZuk

        Bobby McFerrin & Daniel Levitin (author of This Is Your Brain On Music)

      • Nevermore

        I had to eat a whole bag of Reece’s Peanut Butter Miniatures to get over that!

        • Krew13

          Why would you need an excuse to eat a whole bag of Reese’s Peanut Butter Miniatures?

          • Nevermore

            Yes, unless I leave it off of my food diary completely!

    • Gregory Nietsky

      That has caused me permanent damage ill need at least 10hrs hard core lesbo to become functional

    • Eclipse-girl

      I had to stop it before it finished. Do not watch this. It causes brain damage

    • Missionary Kid

      What a waste of breath by a woman who seems to have a good voice, but a brain of Jell-O.

      • Gregory Nietsky

        She got let out of sea bORG for good behaviour i dont think they use real performers these fools look way way too happy got promised a real meal …. ?

    • rayana00

      Why do people say Happy Birthday to the deceased????????????

      • Eclipse-girl

        Privately, I remember birthdays of family and friends who are deceased. I do not make a spectacle of it.

    • phronsie

      This can’t be real. Seriously. This CAN’T be real!! What is wrong with those people?? OMG that is so ridiculous, they must have meant it as parody, surely!! Oh lord, I know they didn’t. Poor fools.

  • EnthralledObserver

    That ‘correction’ made me truly laugh out loud… loudly. I just love your journalistic integrity, Tony… bravo!
    Oi… Hubbard word vomit… again. He was such an audacious bastard… oh, sorry, I mean cocksucker.

    • KJP in Portland

      (applauds)

  • Krew13

    Sciloonery can help you achieve anything, except, it seems, not being a total fatass.

    http://www.youjustmademylist.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/kirstie_alley_fat.jpg

    • Miss Tia

      And they’ve yet to cure Cruise’s insecurity with his height, nor DM’s Napoleon complex! Has anyone ever shooped DM as Napoleon? I have zero skills when it comes to such things! I think Cruise would make a lovely Josephine to DM’s Napoleon! 🙂

      • jmh

        You’re welcome.

        • Miss Tia

          Oh thank you thank you!!! This is even better than I imagined and I think Cruise would LOVE this because he gained about a foot in height!!! They make a lovely couple don’t they?? 🙂

          I think the Super Power building will be DM/Napoleon’s Waterloo.

          • jmh

            I thought Mr. Cruise might like not having to wear stilts in his shoes for once. And I greatly enjoyed finding some of the worst pics possible to shoop. I’m only a little bit unhappy I couldn’t get more of TC’s neck rolls in there.

            • Miss Tia

              We can pretend the neck rolls are there and TC was doing the model technique of jutting their head out to cover up their neck rolls when they posed for this lovely portrait!

    • Gregory Nietsky

      She was quite hot till scientology

    • jmh

      With as much hate as that woman seethes everyday on twitter, it’s no wonder her emotional baggage manifests as physical baggage.

      • KJP in Portland

        It’s the donuts, man!

        • jmh

          Might be! Gluten makes me a b*tch on wheels before I collapse into a drowning pool of depression. Maybe if Kirstie cuts the gluten, she’ll cut Scientology and become a happy person. Ha. Right.

          • Missionary Kid

            I’ll bet it’s the carbs, and not the gluten. Few people are actually sensitive to gluten, but when they start paying attention to gluten, it means they’re paying attention to their diet, so they feel better.

            • jmh

              It is gluten for me. Diagnosed by a doctor. In addition to becoming a b*itch on wheels, I curl up into a ball and want to die from stomach cramps, vomit, then I’m am lactose intolerant for weeks after any exposure to gluten.

            • Missionary Kid

              For Krusty, it’s the carbs, I’ll bet.
              I didn’t meant to disparage your condition. I’m just tired of all the people who claim that cutting out gluten changes their whole being, when for once, they’re paying attention to what goes into their mouth, and that’s the main reason they’re feeling better.

            • jmh

              No… no… I totally understand where you are coming from. I too get tired of people who say they’re ‘intolerant’ and when I get to asking them their symptoms they’re really non-descript. I’m just a weirdo who usually falls into the 1 or 2% of weirdos out there who actually have the condition. I even break out from shampoo that has wheat or barley extract in it.

              You’re right though… probably those processed carbs for Krusty.

            • Missionary Kid

              Yeah, my ex only liked fish if it was tuna with a lot of mayonnaise and other stuff in a sandwich, so she started telling people she was allergic to fish, to get out of eating it.

              She’s been doing it for so long that my oldest offered up that explanation, and I laughingly corrected him by pointing out that she never had any reaction from a tuna sandwich. She just didn’t like fish.

        • Gregory Nietsky

          Swap it out for chocolates same “swell” effect but could get some serotonin she needs some happy

  • Krew13

    It won’t be long before Miscmidget can finally wear his big boy pants.

    http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/4135/dmonesieotmed.jpg

    • Elen

      My first thought was “oh that poor baby who had DM’ s head photoshopped on his body!” 🙁

  • Krew13
  • BosonStark

    I think Scientology should introduce a Double Clear, or they might call it a Magellanic Clear. The thetan would clear of both engrams and BTs (clusters and clouds) for like a trillion years. Wouldn’t that be worth paying a few million for, at least?

    • Poison Ivy

      You and Krew are giving Davey (who is reading this with his morning coffee flown in directly from Java) some excellent new marketing ideas!

      Straight up and vertical! Pretty good for a couple of Bunker SP’s/Degraded Beings!

      • GlibWog

        Really OK… Clearing throat.. Using loudest voice..

        ” Hey Davey WHERE IS SHELLY? ” We don’t believe ” Case Closed Report..”

        Is she comin to the SP Hub Hub.. ?

        • joan nieman

          Yes, where the f—- is Shelly???

  • Marc Headley

    Well that solves it. LRH was probably “cheesing” when he wrote this.

    http://www.southparkstudios.com/full-episodes/s12e03-major-boobage

    • Miss Tia

      Just watched this episode again last night, one of the best ones ever!

      • jmh

        Speaking of great episodes…I’m quite convinced this is one of Miscavige’s business models.

    • ze moo

      South Park is one of the most creative shows ever. Their new season starts soon.

    • SLIM

      Dude! I’m cheesing my F’ing balls off now!

  • Racnad

    On Brad Pitt: Since we learned recently that people “coming into an org” is a measurable stat, I suppose Brad Pitt, having walked through the door at the detox center, counts as one of the millions of members Scientology has.

    • Gregory Nietsky

      Counts twice he went in and out ….

      • DamOTclese2

        Count Brad Pitt’s Body Thetans and that’s about 40 million.

  • Racnad

    In the late 1970s and early 80s, the bar of what it takes to be “clear” was significantly lowered and large numbers of Scientologists were being declared “Natural Clears,” or were said to have been audited to clear in a previous lifetime. This significantly devalued my perception of what “Clear: means. I’ve written about this before. Can someone else share their recollections of this chapter in the History of the State of Clear?

    • DamOTclese2

      There is also a Keyed Out Clear where the mark is informed he or she slipped in to and the back out of being “clear.” Tells the mark that they are right on the trembling edge of being “clear” and so the money they hand over will be much less than the money the other marks hand over.

  • Bradley Greenwood

    Wow! I wonder how much they soak you for THEIR Medic-Alert bracelets?

    • q-bird

      Have you seen this movie Bradley? All this gal wanted was to “go clear” & get one of those shiny bracelets ~

      http://youtu.be/s-DkG6kKASc

      • Bradley Greenwood

        No…Thanks! 🙂

      • KJP in Portland

        Hi Q! Good to see you. My hours have been weird.

        • q-bird

          mine too – get this! I had the last two days off -IN A ROW- omg, very rare for me. AND DISQUS WOULD NOT LOAD COMMENTS — for those 2 solid days. Weird. I didn’t suffer too much bc I had Tony’s words to read, the meat & potatos – but damn, I missed the dessert (the comments) I tell you wha…

          Did your interview go well KJP?

      • Poison Ivy

        It’s a powerful movie.

        • q-bird

          yes PI, totally agreed – what the German movie did for “touch the wall” & illustrating how they operate to get someone’s family’s money & then what they do to break up families – this movie did for being on staff & mocking up — crap. CRAP!!!
          Who does scientology attract & how?

          What experience does a ‘rich’ person have in CO$?- – – Jason Beghe

          What experience does a ‘poor’ person have?- – – John Duignan.

          http://youtu.be/ScVBJPGeEio

      • Bradley Greenwood

        Actually… I have seen all but the intro. “Robbie” (snicker).

  • Krew13

    Coming Soon

    Golden Age of Tech VIII

    ALL members MUST do this course if they hope to become BIG BEINGS. This is the absolute final level! Only $50,000.

    But it doesn’t end there!

    Coming Soon

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    A whole brand NEW age in tech! This HAS to be taken by all members! Only $60,000! This is THE final level.

    But it will be followed by:

    Golden Age of Tech X: The New Age

    Go to the ultimate level. This is what you’ve been working towards!! Just $70,000! This is where your journey up the bridge will reach its incredible climax!!!

    But to ABSOLUTELY guarantee safe passage to Target Two as a Big Being, ALL members MUST take the absolute Grand Finale level which comes in just three stages. Golden Age of Tech: Target Two: Stage 1 – only $80,000.

    Golden Age of Tech: Target Two, Stage 2 – only $90,000.

    And then the big one! The one you’ve been waiting for. The Grand Finale to your ultimate journey, Golden Age of Tech: Target Two, Stage 3 – just a small donation of $100,000.

    And there your journey will end…but only if you want to go to Target Two as a Standard Big Being. To be the Ultimate Big Being, you need to attain Special Grand Tech Status so you can go to Target Two as an Ultimate Big Being who will be among the first to meet LRH! And for this, you just need to complete the very final stage that comes in just three parts. Golden Age of Tech: Target Two Ultimate: Stage 1, just $120,000.

    Golden Age of Tech: Target Two Ultimate: Stage 2, just a donation of $150,000.

    And then the one you’ve been waiting for. MANDATORY for ALL members! Golden Age of Tech: Target Two Ultimate: Stage 3 – a one-off small contribution of just $250,000!

    But it doesn’t end there! Stay tuned for more exciting news of what we have in store!

    • KJP in Portland

      No kidding…then, The PLATINUM Age of Tech…blech.

    • Gregory Nietsky

      How many drones are completely confused and bamboozled by these shifting goals and yet keep true

      • Krew13

        Her Royal Governor has stayed loyal and true. And when her fiance killed himself, sorry, I mean he discarded his body by accidentally crashing into a tree, she knew it was his fault for not having donated $10m like she did.

        • Gregory Nietsky

          Makes sense they yeah and the floods and tornadoes are cause of some future flood of gay marriages … its so CLEAR

        • Aslansown

          Not that it makes any difference, but he actually jumped off a bridge. And the fact that I know that makes me realize that I spend way more time than I should researching scientology.

          • Krew13

            I know he jumped off a bridge but the Sciloons did their usual lies and more lies by telling their sheep, who are kept in the dark about what goes on, that their fellow Sciloon had discarded his body in a car crash. They can’t have the rubes hearing that a fellow Ronbot had offed himself because he was in debt from having misappropriated millions of dollars given to him for a construction project which instead ended up in the coffers of Sciloons who harassed him day in day out for more money. If the drones knew that, it would suggest he wasn’t happy, and as everyone knows, being a Sciloon is the way to happiness. Or, in the case of certain “straight” actors, the way to a penis.

            • Mooser

              “their fellow Sciloon had discarded his body in a car crash.”

              Totaled the car’s body, too, if I remember aright.

          • GlibWog

            OMG Aslansown.. I knew it was a Bridge too.. OK Now THAT is scary..

            • Aslansown

              I know. I need to back away ….

            • GlibWog

              hahhaahhaha… You should have seen me during the OJ Trial.. I was ridiculous..

              Talk about an obsessive Personality.. Dang..

            • Aslansown

              Me too. I’d run home from work and obsessively watch Court TV (back when it used to actually, you know, show court cases). I knew EVERYTHING there was to know. I’ll never forget the look on Robert Kardashian’s face when the jury said “Not guilty.” He was shocked (and no wonder).

            • GlibWog

              I could have won a Jeopardy Game if it had been all things OJ..

              Read every book.. never missed a minute of court TV.. ( I worked at home)

              I even read Faye Resnick’s book.. hahha.. You knew damn well that Kardashian knew he was guilty..

              I was never so happy to see him finally pay the piper.. You talk Narcissistic? That is one Narcissistic man.. sociopath .. ( Charming, Manipulative..)

              Yeah.. He promised to give back to the Black Community and Churches.. Bull Shit

            • Aslansown

              Yes, if you “word clear” sociopath in a dictionary there’s a picture of OJ. Kardashian absolutely knew he was guilty. Even without the DNA, the blood, the gloves, etc., etc., etc., you would have known he was guilty by the look on Kardashian’s face. I was so happy when he went to prison. I hope once he gets out he keeps going on his hunt for the real killers. Ugh.

            • GlibWog

              Yeah Really.. You know he lost his house in Fl to Foreclosure.. His daughter Arnelle was supposed to be taking the $ from his Football Pension and paying his Mortgage and Taxes..

              But she blew it shopping and on herself. He was livid.. Too Bad So Sad..

            • Robert Eckert

              I knew it too. I believe it came up in the Bunker comments not all that long ago, so we sort-of have an excuse.

            • GlibWog

              hahaha I remember reading it on that Celebrity Scn site that was closed..

              ( I can’t tell you what I had for lunch yesterday , but I can tell you who Katie Holme’s handler was.. hahaha OMG ..

            • Robert Eckert

              Wasn’t that Jessica Feshbach? I know, it’s scary…

            • GlibWog

              yep..hahah

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Yeah, but do you know which Bridge and its location?

            • GlibWog

              I know it was in Big Sur.. Bixbe bridge? It was too long ago that I read it..

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              yep

            • Robert Eckert

              Wow. I knew it was in Big Sur but could not have come up with that name. You win the Triviology prize for today.

              http://paxpokemonleague.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Trivia.jpg

            • GlibWog

              Ohhhh Thanks Robert ..It was just a fluke.. because I was wondering if it was named after Bill Bixbe..

              hahahha.. I have so many facts in my head and I sometimes get them scrambled..

          • Douglas D. Douglas

            According to the CoS, he died in a head-on collision. The collision, they fail to add, was with the canyon floor.

            • Aslansown

              Thanks. I didn’t realize they’d lied about it (I’m not surprised).

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              That’s why you will sometimes see snarky references to his “accident.” Nothing about a suicide is funny or worthy of snark (well, except maybe poor Lupe Velez). It’s the way that Scientology cynically glosses over it with lies that brings out the J&D.

        • SLIM

          Sonny Bono crashed into a tree..

          • Robert Eckert

            One of the Kennedys skied into a tree. They always manage to die in interesting ways.

            • SLIM

              Things [not to do] while high on Vicodin’s..

          • Krew13

            Surely you mean Sonny Bono discarded the body he used in this life?

      • ze moo

        Of those currently members of CO$, all of them.

    • Miss Tia

      Why hasn’t DM started his own little CO$ space program so that they can fly out into space and time travel back in time and kill Xenu?? I mean they can do that right??

      • KJP in Portland

        Take some of the “billions” they have and launch Miscmunchkin into space with no return, like poor Laika…

        • Miss Tia

          Yes! Launch him into space! To infinity and beyond!!

    • Poison Ivy

      Admit it, Krew. You’re doing PR for Davey, aren’t you!

      • Krew13

        Well, the irony is that you could send that word for word to the likes of Cartwright, Top Gun and Fat Alley and they’d think it was a genuine Sciloon mailout.

    • Mooser

      “ALL members MUST do this course if they hope to become BIG BEINGS.”

      But I don’t want to be any bigger! I take a men’s size 38, right off the rack, and it usually fits perfectly. All my suits are made for a small person! The tailoring costs alone will break me. Oh, my God, I’ll have to buy all new shoes, won’t I?

      I don’t know, maybe it’s conceited to think so, but I sort of thought I was the right size just as I am.

      • Mooser

        “ALL members MUST do this course if they hope to become BIG BEINGS.”

        Damn dyslexia got me again! I was all ready to write a check when my eyes focused. I guess it doesn’t say “All Beings must do this course if they hope to get Big Members!”

        Scientology is really one long fight against accepting your own humanity and mortality, isn’t it?
        The only to things in the world which are incontestably, observably true about existence, that we are all people, and will all get old and lose vitality, and they’re going to change that by writing checks? Okay.

        • Missionary Kid

          TC’s dyslexia was cured by $cientology. Why not yours???? Bleah!!!

  • Gregory Nietsky

    I am on a mission so far as i can tell a KR is a “tattle tale” but more like the Hitler brown shirts where you get some status and or break for your ills in the group.

    who can fill out a KR and if anyone how best to do it if only a drone any way to still do it ?

    and should you know of a drone A been discussed by a person B [in or out or otherwise] on a SP site that implies A is in contact with SP’s/PTS and will require some handling ???

    i need some lulz

    • Gregory Nietsky

      Lets call this Operation KR where we out $ciloons for contact with SP’s

    • Observer

      Someone posted a link to a Scn page where you can fill out KRs online–they even let wogs write them.

      • Gregory Nietsky

        Great one way of getting to them i think

  • KJP in Portland

    (raises head and looks around)…O HAI! (waves)

    • Gregory Nietsky

      Duck and cover …. 😀

      hi hi

      • KJP in Portland

        My Civil Defense helmet is on standby!

        • Gregory Nietsky

          Keep it on hand its Wednesday could have falling votes latter

    • Miss Tia

      Morning!! 🙂

      • KJP in Portland

        Hey Tia…did I miss much?

        • Miss Tia

          I was tweeting KA, TC and replying CO$ tweets last night….tee hee….aside from that mirth and merriment and the usual mirth and merriment we partake in, nope…..no headlines were missed!

          • KJP in Portland

            I’m up to speed then! Thank you Miss Tia :))

  • Sherbet

    Question for Marc and Claire: What kind of education did you have? You’re both so articulate, and I’m not associating that quality with sci-schooling.

    • Eclipse-girl

      I am reading Marc’s book Blown For Good.

      He attended Delphi school in LA, a $cientology school, but left when he was 15.

      One thing a few $cientolgoists have stated is that they learned how to write.

      • KJP in Portland

        But the stilted syntax of posts here by downvoting trolls makes me wonder how much writing they spent time learning. I’m assuming that many of them learned better writing at a later (20s?) age.

      • Sherbet

        I imagine they learned the meaning of words, with all that dictionary checking.

        But there’s such an art to their writing, and, again, I don’t associate clear expression (and humor) with scientology.

        Thanks, E-girl.

        • Missionary Kid

          I do associate clear expression (and humor) with $cientology. It’s just not from $cientology, but about it, like all these comments.

          • Sherbet

            Ha! Well said, ‘Kid.

  • Gregory Nietsky

    A major sporting club with 10M members has a home event and can only manage to get <10k supporters to the gates
    most likely only 2000

    Scientology Fail

    • KJP in Portland

      2013 has been an EPIC year of CoB$ FAIL…they are definitely ‘circling the drain’, led by, of course, their Chairmonkey of the Board!

  • media_lush

    Is the pronunciation of “ser fac’y”

    Ser FACKEE or Ser FACE- EE?

    • stillgrace

      or ser FASSY? Was wondering myself.

      • AsthmaticDwarf

        Pronounced: “sir fack,” singular, a service facsimile; “sir fack ee,” adjective, moderating ‘cocksucker’ or ‘bastard’, whichever version one references.

    • Ruby

      Ser FACKEE
      Short for “service facsimile”

      • media_lush

        surely FAX is short for facsimile …. ergo we have another version possibility of Ser FAXY

        • Gregory Nietsky

          But they never had “FAX” back then well they did but the great ron knew jack about modern tech.

          • Poison Ivy

            Well, I’m sure somewhere in his voluminous writings and ramblings Ron must’ve PREDICTED fax machines, right? And the internet? And wi-fi?

            No?

            You mean Ron hadn’t traveled up and down “the whole track” as he claimed?

            Shocked.

            • Gregory Nietsky

              FAX machines as we know them are circa 1964 prior to that FAX’s were not sent telepathically but had existed as “Radio fax” and is still used today since 1924.

            • Gregory Nietsky

              FAX over IP internet transmission of faxes is now possible too some using software i contributed last year 😛

            • Robert Eckert

              In “Mission Earth” on the galaxy-conquering planet Voltar, a cable gets severed so the anti-hero has to go running outside to look for a phone booth, and then fumbles in his pockets for the right coin.

              http://missionspork.blogspot.com/2013/09/part-sixty-five-chapters-two-and-three.html

            • ze moo

              Why is there no WD-40, Duct Tape or vise grips in the future? Three of mankind’s most useful inventions are not in the future. We get Death Stars and space ships, but no body ever ‘cob’ jobs a repair. Oh, and Super Glue, you can’t have a future without super glue.

            • Gregory Nietsky

              Wire ties and velcro strips …

        • Ruby

          Yes…Except in the cult, everything has to have its own interpretation.

        • Miss Tia

          Okay reading Ser Faxy made my brain go to the RHCP’s Sir Psycho Sexy!

          http://youtu.be/3fhz0m17y0Q

        • media_lush

          “service facsimiles,” something about mental image pictures that turn us into dominating jerks. Claire mentioned that L. Ron Hubbard had a theory that Australians had more “ser facs”

          Okay, I’m finally going with Ser FAXY

          (Maybe someone could ask Mike to confirm?)

          • Ruby

            It is Ser FACKEE…definitely

  • Elen

    Oh my! Oh my! NPR’ s Fresh Air with Terry Gross has an interview “Today: We talk with Charles Manson & how the cult leader/murderer borrowed from teachings of pumps and Scientology to make young women follow him.”

    If you have never listened to this radio program or to Terry Gross I encourage you to do so… I believe she is THE BEST interviewer out there today!!

    • 1subgenius

      Is this a joke? NOT the part about Terry being the best interviewer, cause she is.
      But an interview with Manson?

      • Elen

        I copied directly from @nprfreshair on tweeter…. I went to the website & it shows “run down pending” apparently Manson has a new book out….

        • Elen

          Also on Twitter from them….”We’ll also hear a recording of Charles Manson singing and then hear a version the Beach Boys recorded. Yes, it’s as weird as this tweet reads.”

          • Elen

            From their website: Coming Up: A new biography of Charles Manson examines how the cult leader and killer made young women believe in him, follow him, and fear him, Wednesday on NPR’s Fresh Air.

            • Elen

              Sound familiar?

            • 1subgenius

              But does it say an interview WITH Manson?
              If so, this could not possibly be a recent interview, or could it?

            • Elen

              Unlikely – probably an interview with the author. I just found it interesting that Scientology was named specifically!

        • 1subgenius

          Really??? An interview with Charles Manson about Scientology????
          Oh lord, must record. They do post the interviews online, no?

          • 1subgenius
          • Elen

            Yes they do! I’m wondering why the rundown is “pending”. Hopefully they aren’t being harassed

            • Eclipse-girl

              $cientology tries to cover up the fact the CM did take some classes.
              CM also read Dale Carnegie’s self improvement book. (? How to win friends and influence people )

            • Elen

              Yeah… he is one messed up freak! I’m sure he read many other things… unfortunately I don’t think we can completely blame Co$!!

            • Eclipse-girl

              I agree. Charlie was nutz before $cientology.

          • Elen

            Unlikely…probably the author will be interviewed.

            • 1subgenius

              your OP said WITH

            • Elen

              Oh, so I did! I just copied/pasted from their tweet… so I guess so… I am still waiting for the rundown! Sorry!

            • Elen

              And thanks for keeping me clear! (pun intended)

    • Mooser

      “teachings of pumps and Scientology”

      Don’t laugh! Mma Grace Makutsi, of the No. 1 Ladies Detective Agency ( in Botswana ) gets a lot of good advice from her shoes. ‘The sabot knows’ is her motto.

      • Elen

        Mooser! Thank you! My first “lol” of the day… I want to edit, but then again… (should be PIMPS)

        • Mooser

          Given a choice between “Dianetics” and “The No.1 Ladies Detective Agency” (in beautiful Botswana), I know which I would choose.
          I know you meant “pimps” (I’ve read Bugliosi’s “Helter-Skelter”!) but I couldn’t resist the talking footwear angle.

          • Elen

            As you can see I have not been able to edit it…. I am too grateful for the laugh…a real laugh!!

      • filosofa

        A really great character. Excellent series of books.

  • KJP in Portland

    I have to nap for a few hours, but “I Shall Return!”

    • Gregory Nietsky

      Jesus and ron said that … famous last words ?

    • 1subgenius

      We shall suspend operations pending your reappearance.

      • Sherbet

        No, we won’t. 😀

        • DamOTclese2

          We never suspend our joking and degrading here in The Bunker. There’s far too much joking and degrading work that needs to be done to suspend, even for a moment.

          • Sherbet

            Exactly. Those snarks aren’t gonna write themselves. We’re like the Sea Org of J&D, cranking it out 24/7 to clear the planet of the faux-serious garBAGE that continues to spew from scientology. Only the food in the Bunker is better, what with nachos, lobster rolls, and margaritas available in the canteen.

            • Robert Eckert

              Don’t forget the cake! Or the cookies! Or the BACON!

  • Poison Ivy

    “I’ve now got good data on the dates. These dates we’re getting are accurate. I have now compared them up the track and squared them around. These are the dates.”

    Typical Hubbard “research”, people. “These dates we’re getting.” How are we “getting” the dates? Who are “we”? (Is it Hubbard the Royal “We”?) Who is getting you the dates?

    I consider myself a very spiritually open-minded person. I’m interested in all manner of traditions and rituals and beliefs. But the above is just a prolific Sci-Fi writer’s Bullshit, pure and simple. This is also sci-fi by someone who is able to parrot scientific terms but understands absolutely NOTHING of science itself.

    How anyone can still believe this charlatan is beyond my comprehension.

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      ” I have now compared them up the track and squared them around.”

      This is my favorite line in the above drivel.
      Say Wha????????????

      • Poison Ivy

        See, “squared them around” is the math-y lingo he’s using to make you imagine him doing some high-level calculations. This man who failed even basic math as a kid.

        And “compared them up the track” – compared them with….what, exactly?

        He was a master at throwing around crap like this, just rattling it off then going on with his talk and bamboozling people into thinking there was some sort of science and research (and MATH!!!) involved in his “work.”

        This is where the indies baffle me. Because I can understand that, while you were under the spell of Ron and the mind-control compliance engendered by the Scientology system, you’d let this stuff just flow over you. But AFTER the fact – don’t they SEE how ridiculous this is?

        I mean, this is at the level of the Jon Lovitz SNL character. “My wife – Morgan Fairchild! Yeah, that’s the ticket!” compulsive lying. It’s so outrageous, it’s laughable.

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          Well, when I get home tonight I am going to double check his “math” by going up the track and squaring around my sock drawer.

          I think I will know what my “calculations” will show!

        • Marie Claire Wolf

          The indies are caught in a self esteem bind. If you admit that all this was a huge fraud you willingly bought into with real $$$$ and, in almost all cases took you away from family and a productive life of your own, you have failed yourself.
          All of which for most escapees, who remain fragile and usually are destitute to boot, is too much of a bite to swallow at one go. Seems to me the longer they have been under Co$’s thumb the more arduous it is to face the fact that you misspent a precious chunk of your life on garbage.

      • Mooser

        ” I have now compared them up the track and squared them around.

        Grab your partner,
        Grab the leads!
        And we’ll see
        what the e-meter reads!

        “Dosie dough, lot’s of dough,
        write a check now!
        Here we go!

    • Marie Claire Wolf

      His verbiage sounds a lot like the elaborate and fanciful stories I have heard from diagnosed schizophrenics, in particular his habit of inventing words and terms to fit a tale, his love of alphabet soups all woven in the florid colours of paranoia. A truly repulsive control freak and talented grifter who has managed to achieve his goal: infamy.

  • Bernie Headley

    A bit off topic, but as promised a few days ago, here is the video of Marc giving Jenna Elfman his book back in February, 2010. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAyYTUhVweA

    • pronoia

      That is great! Too bad she didn’t read it — there is no way that anyone could not read that book and be completely moved. Or if they did and weren’t, they would have a heart of stone.

    • media_lush

      Did she take it or leave it on the table…. did she even touch it?

      • Aslansown

        I don’t think she touched it or even looked at it during the video. It looks like he put it down to the left of that orange bag on the table and it looks like the bag blocked her view of the book. The gesture she made was completely dismissive. I’d be very surprised if she took it with her — or if she did it was only to throw it away so no one else would see it.

    • Aslansown

      Thank you! Did you stick around to see if she ever picked it up or looked at it after you stopped videotaping her?

    • 1subgenius

      That is the most epic thing ever.
      You have my eternal gratitude, or until I die, whichever comes first.
      You are a man of your word.

    • 1subgenius

      When and where did this happen?

      • Bernie Headley

        Traveltown at Griffith Park in LA. When she turn around as Marc was walking away she said something to the effect of “Take this back! I can’t have this!” Don’t know if she kept it or threw it away. Marc may remember more.

        • 1subgenius

          Tell him to come and give us all the juicy details.

    • Observer

      Is it wrong of me to hope OSA sees this and forces her into a round of very expensive and unpleasant sec checking?

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        I can see the body thetans jumping from the SP book straight onto Jenna…..OH MY, she is just covered in SP cooties.

        This calls for expensive Sec Checks and lots and lots of NOTS auditing.
        She may need to do the running program too.
        Isn’t that big building with that nice dark room with the big orange pole in the middle opening soon?

        Somebody pass me the Cal Mag………I need to mellow out….

        • Aslansown

          Maybe that’s what she’s swatting away as Marc walks back towards the camera.

    • Aslansown

      Uh oh – the video got a down vote.

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        GOOAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!!!

      • Observer

        That was was me fat-fingering Reply on my phone. I took it back.

  • Snake Plissken

    It was not a part of the galaxy. It was a wildcat activity sitting there. They used to drag Magellanic clouds out of the center hub of the galaxy, let them follow the lines of force, and just let them come over a system. Then when they got around to it, they’d send planes in with speakers, and so forth, and give the place the business. But the place very often was totally caved in for thousands of years by these Magellanic radioactive clouds which would just engulf the particular system. You got the idea?

    Yep, got it, our boy Ron was nutter than Grandma Fruit Cake.

    • Sherbet

      Slogan — Dianetics: Giving the place the business for 60 years.

    • q-bird

      Poor El Wrong Hubtard –

    • Marie Claire Wolf

      And so very boring.

    • ze moo

      What song(s) did the planes with speakers play?

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iM70_PORDP4

      • stanrogers

        One uses Slim Whitman to fight aliens.

  • Poison Ivy

    “It may be futile to push against tabloid stories, but if we don’t do it, who will?”
    I heart Tony O for this!

  • Mooser

    “The engrams with the most power over us we picked up in the womb as
    sperm, egg, or zygote as we heard things said by mom and dad during
    rough sex”

    I will not permit this slur on two very nice people, my parents. As I remember, Dad was a faithful husband, and a considerate and tender lover. My Mom and him laughed a lot while making love. Sure, as a young zygote, I was horribly embarrassed by the entire thing, and as soon as I could, I caused as much nausea as I could. I was a prissy little fetus, it’s true, a real wet blanket. But I realize now it was a necessary part of life, and really, considering what it was, they kept it in pretty good taste. I should do as well.
    If Hubbard’s parents (a real pair of hard squashes, I’ll wager) disported them selves like rabid hyenas during sex, that’s his problem, and I don’t see why he should make it anybody else’s.

    • And I don’t rent cars!

      You must be a natural clear then! Order the bracelet. Your parents must have perfect inflows vs outflows. See Hubbard’s description of sex:

      [URL=”https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/i-have-a-thetan-who-does-things-to-my-mirror-and-its-annoying-what-should-i-do.105033/page-5#post-2182886″]I have a Thetan who does things to my mirror and it’s annoying. What Should I Do?[/URL]

  • Mooser

    What utter nonsense these people preach! Everybody knows the most significant step in becoming “clear” is making the last payment on your mortgage.

  • Aslansown

    Can anyone tell me what that symbol on the bracelet is? It looks like the letter “T” to me.

    • Ruby

      OT …an O with a T centered in it. Stands for Operating Thetan. And, I believe you are only allowed to wear one if you have achieved OT8

      • Gregory Nietsky

        Ah so does clear = OT and OT1 a upgrade ?

        • Ruby

          No. 🙂 Clear is only Clear. But the good news is that they have a bracelet for that too!!

          • Mooser

            They sure do love ‘almost crosses’ don’t they? All their symbols could easily be mistaken for a crucifix at a casual glance. I wonder why that is? Gosh, I would have thought that would be something they would have avoided.

            Sure would like to hear Hubbard;s opinions, or rather “datum” on Jesus. You know, how he, and his sermons and beatitudes, stack up to Dianetics.

          • Miss Tia

            Please tell me the Clear bracelet is clear!!!!

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              They weren’t that clever.

            • Aslansown

              Clear would be too cheap – plastic or something. You need a 14 carat gold one with a diamond to show how clear you are.

            • Miss Tia

              wait, they could use cheap plastic and claim it’s a futuristic material created by LRH!!!! then they could trademark it and make it part of their orthodoxy!

      • Aslansown

        Thanks!

      • Aslansown

        This is probably the stupidest question I’ve ever asked or will ever ask, and I’m almost certain I know the answer, but is the person given the bracelet when they go clear or do they have to buy it?

        • Gregory Nietsky

          You new it … why ask 😛 kak ‘n betaal [shit up and pay]

        • Ruby

          duh…buy it, of course!

          • Aslansown

            I already knew the answer I guess, but some kind of subliminal self-destructive impulse made me ask it.

            • Ruby

              hahaha!

        • Bury_The_Nuts
          • Ideal Borg Bunkerite

            interesting that it appears any old wog can buy that jewelry (not that they would want to)

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              I think I will make myself some OT earrings just for the hell of it.

            • Nevermore

              If they were a bit cheaper, I would, for the lulz!

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Are you crazy! Do you know how much MAIL you would be inundated with for the rest of your life (plus a billion years)?

              Too many trees have already died!!!
              Think of the TREES!!!!

            • Nevermore

              The mail could go to a PO box. I’d just sent it all back to them on a regular basis!

            • Ideal Borg Bunkerite

              I could easily see Tiny T-Rex printing limited edition copies of Dianetics on paper made from the oak trees they cut down for the Stupid People building, just to be a sadistic shit head

          • Aslansown

            Look at the prices on those things!

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              You are doing it again!

            • Aslansown

              You’re right! Call me on it each time you see it — it will lower my psychiatry bills! 😉

    • Ideal Borg Bunkerite

      Its the international symbol for “sucker”

    • Eclipse-girl

      The medallion has an edge to it. It is OT , for becoming an operating Thetan

  • Cheryl

    Stupid question of the day! What happens to those who haven’t got the money to pay for all of this?

    • Ideal Borg Bunkerite

      They Join the Sea Org!

      • Graham

        … or beg, borrow or steal. According to stories from those who’ve been there, when you claim not to have any money $camatology’s good at getting you to max out on credit cards, sign you up for new credit cards, getting you to mortgage your house, re-mortgage, re-re-mortgage, borrow from friends, steal from friends, sell your granny. Whatever it takes. Fer fux sakes it’s your eternal salvation that’s on the line here!

      • Mooser

        They Join the Sea Org!”

        Gee, and their job in the Sea Org wouldn’t be to suck up to, or be put down by, the celebs, thus proving the diabetic superiority of those who can produce the necessary kale. Yeah, that’s right, “diabetic” “Dianetic” isn’t recognized by Spel-Chek,

      • Cheryl

        What about older people, I thought they weren’t reall wanted in the Sea Org.

        • Ideal Borg Bunkerite

          Based on the behavior that so many of them portray, I’m guessing anyone that cant pay and cant be shuttled off into the sea org is browbeaten and made to feel like they are failures because they didnt study their tech hard enough to make more money and pay to go higher up the bridge.

    • Gregory Nietsky

      sea bORG see the movie the bridge story of Lisa McPherson … she died

      • Cheryl

        I meant to say middle aged and older people, I know about young people and the billion year contracts and all that, just curious about the fate of older people who run out of money. A lucky escape I guess if they are just turned away.

        • Mooser

          I wonder a lot more about those that impose the policy. Almost everything they do is either in furtherance of a fraud, which they profit from, or can be construed as a felony (assault, battery, kidnapping, child neglect, etc) Who are they? Do they have names?

          We mostly concern our selves with the victims and the top people. But who the hell are the people in the middle, the successful Scientologists? That is a real poser for me. Are they not aware they are committing crimes? Do they think they have the right to commit them, or will get away with it?

          When MasCara sends somebody to the Hole, who takes them there, and locks them in?
          Who “guards” them while they are there?

          And how much do they make? Do they understand how much legal jeopardy they could be in? As I understand it, if you lock somebody in a place, that’s kidnapping, and “The COB told me to” won’t get the charges dismissed.

          • Zana

            Very good point! They are like mad Nazis. I have seen the look in some of their eyes. It’s almost a belligerent disdain for anything that is not viciously held to the straight and narrow. There is no “obnosing” in the equation. They have abdicated their lives and decision-making to someone else… so they don’t have to think. I guess they are hoping that if they indulge in their punitive natures enough in the name of the Great COB, that they will somehow be “saved” for eternity. It’s like a ferocious addiction. Denial (De Nile) is NOT a river in Egypt. It’s bizarre to watch. It’s like the “closed heart syndrome.” No Love.

        • Zana

          Many of them are just broke. Missing teeth. Scrounging around to find a way to give more money to Scientology. Hoping against hope that the LRH angel will come down and save them just for… scrounging. They are definitely not living their lives full out and with gusto. I see them a little worried, not quite healthy.

          I was amazed to meet a Sea Org member several years ago who was tossed out because he had Cancer. His wife was taking care of him and still on courses. I wondered about that… why wasn’t he getting any more help? I don’t know what happened to him. He’s probably gone by now.

    • Nevermore

      Sell a kidney. Part of your liver. Your firstborn.

  • Mooser

    “In fact, they say, Miscavige often called Rinder a “ser fac’y cocksucker.”

    And if it hadn’t been for that horrible accident with the power tools, which took both of his fists, Rinder would’ve belted him for it! What a crew! What a frickin’ crew. Real men, this crew.

    • Mooser

      Hey, thanks! “Purif” is sooo the name of my new World Music band!

  • DamOTclese2

    I must be “clear,” then, since I “totally recall” Scientology being one mother fucking pile of steaming fraud.

    • Ideal Borg Bunkerite

      i lol’d

  • DeElizabethan

    Thank you Claire. This shows how crazy the organization and hubtard is in that he continually re arranged the order of the bridge. When I was in, in the ’70’s they had you do the prerequisite smaller courses then Dianetic auditing/course including your drug RD. Then you did the levels and other shit they wanted. Late 70’s NED came in and everyone had to do that before Clear. It was a continual holding one back and was generally suppressive.

    I should have woke up then but didn’t.

    • Poison Ivy

      Don’t feel bad, Dee – you were NOT alone! Remember, once you’re committed, even if you start to sense something wrong, your natural defenses against cognitive dissonance kick in and try to justify away all contradictions. That’s just how the human mind works. Some of us fell for other things (and people), just not Scientology. Hey, you’re here now – and helping others!

      • DeElizabethan

        Thanks Ivy, so true. Happy to be here now also.

        • SLIM

          I bought a Pet Rock….
          Oh! And then the drugs started costing a lot…
          My own Hole…

  • Gregory Nietsky

    Ok folks love cheese specially melted cheese , i also love black coffee but not too hot awesome way too kill 2 birds with one stone. kids and girlfriend think im nutz.

    • Jimmy Threetimes

      You melt cheese into your coffee?

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        Sounds messy!

        • Gregory Nietsky

          Nope no problem use proper cheese is the key i think

          • Mooser

            And the proper cheese to dunk in coffee is…? Havarti? Swiss? Jack? Jalapeno Jack? Cheddar? I really would like a little guidance before I try it.

            • Gregory Nietsky

              i take a chunk of chedder bout 1” cube while the water is hot does slightly flavor the coffee a bit. by the time its tepid the cheese is “gooey”

            • Mooser

              I’ll give it a try. Sort of a coffee fondue, as you might say. I’ll go all the way and dunk a doughnut in it.

      • Gregory Nietsky

        Chuck a chunk in as its cooling down time to melt

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          Jesus H. Christ! Now imma have to try this out.

          • SandiCorrena

            For just one day I’d like to have the ginormous daring ballz of BTN followed by a few days rest…….. 😉 By the way the stone necklace with the little dangle heart was a HUGE hit to my sis for her birthday! Then I was at lunch talking about your shop and showing off my ring and the lady at next table asked for your card…..so I gave her one-thanks for sending me some!!!!!

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Yay!
              I am so glad your sis liked it.

              And in a roundabout way…you were supporting the Underground Bunker.

              The store is my Bunker Fund.

        • Jimmy Threetimes

          I’ve heard people have started putting butter in coffee. I guess cheese isn’t too far from butter or cream or milk. Still sounds kinda funky tho

          • Miss Tia

            I have heard of that! Now I have mixed butter into melted chocolate though for extra artery clogging goodness!

          • pronoia

            I’ve done that on camping trips. Butter can live outside a refrigerator. Milk cannot. It is not bad!

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              Yeah I leave butter out on the counter (in a container) to keep it at room temp. It stays good for a very long time.

            • Zana

              Me too. Always ready for a piece of toast. Yum.

          • Gregory Nietsky

            Butter is not so bad ill rather eat it plain sometimes with peanut butter 😛

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      I think your nutz too Gregory.

      • noseinabk

        Like your very studious looking squirrel Av!

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          Thank q-bird. I am just a ripoff artist.
          But thank you anyway.

        • Gregory Nietsky

          Looking at @Bury_The_Nuts:disqus avatar again cheeks look like bikini … maybe i need to see happy birthday ron again

          • noseinabk

            Bikini? No more coffee for you!

      • Gregory Nietsky

        Im just repeating the psychiatrists assessment .. she KNOWS

  • Suppressive Tomato

    What Tony points out about all the added prerequisites to Dianetics, rather than just getting straight to it as originally conceived with Book One, restims what for me is probably the most egregious contradiction in all of Scn doctrine. And that is … if “clearing the planet”, meaning getting everyone to the state of Clear, is so vital for all of mankind’s future survival, then why would you charge so much for it? $183,000? When the book costs $10? If it’s so vital for our species and our planet and our galaxy, shouldn’t you be doing this for free?

    • Jimmy Threetimes

      Your reasoning is way too logical for Scientology.

      Stan Marsh was going to make Scientology free. They threatened to sue!

    • Mooser

      Suppressive Tomato, don’t you know by now the clearing is worth what you pay for it?

    • Zana

      You’re absolutely right. That’s the BIG first question. They obviously DON’T intend to clear the planet. They have no plan whatsoever to clear anybody. “Show me a motha-fuckin’ Clear!” (thank you, Jason.) Because none of THEM are Clear. Amazing. It’s an outrageous swindle. Such a big hole that we all fell into it.

    • chukicita

      Because it’s really about ‘making able beings more able (to give money)’ and if you’re not able, well you can be ‘disposed of quietly and without sorrow.’ Like where it says ‘free beings can have rights’ you have to wonder what happens to those who are unable and unfree — and who gets to decide who is able and who is free.

  • ze moo

    My faith in Darwin has been restored. A man in Texas has achieved something that few us even dream about. He can make alcohol with just his intestinal bacteria.

    http://www.kens5.com/home/Texas-home-brewer-diagnosed-with-rare-condition-that-increases-his-blood-alcohol-content-without-drinking-224160541.html

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      Wow! How do you manage to “get” this rare condition?
      Do you know how much money I could save by buying Top Ramen instead of Moscato?

      • Mooser

        I’ve heard of this many times before. It works best, I think, with a rice diet.

        • Jimmy Threetimes

          Sake Stomach?

    • Nevermore

      That’s the kind of mutant power I want!

  • Artoo45

    That jabbering, confabulating fucktard Hubbard’s complete and total butchering of science is nothing short of staggering. The Magellanic Clouds are galaxies in their own right, captured and in the process of being absorbed by our own galaxy. They’re many thousands of light-years across and are not “clouds” of radiation. To “drag them” anywhere would be impossible, and their scale, being so vast in comparison to a solar system . . . oh, neverfuckingmind.

    His lack of astronomical knowledge is exceeded only by his lack of cosmological knowledge as evidenced by his umpty-skillion year timescales that would embarrass any fourth grader. Indies, if you still think this man and his “tech” have any redeeming qualities, please stay away from me because I won’t hold back cornering you and lecturing you on the basics of astronomy and cosmology. I will not, however, charge for these sessions. Soup cans will be optional if they’ll make you feel better.

    • deselby

      True. Also galaxies being mostly empty space, if you dragged one over to a planet, it could easily escape the notice of anybody who doesn’t look at the night sky much.

    • Mooser

      “I will not, however, charge for these sessions.”

      And in one sentence we see the difference between an ordinary man, and the Big Being. Don’t you understand, the more you charge, the more it’s worth!

      • Artoo45

        And how . . .

  • Ideal Borg Bunkerite

    This is the quote of the week on the lrh books site. chilling actually

    • Ideal Borg Bunkerite

      Also I have to give credit for all of these loonies for actually making it through L Rons writings. His literary style is painful on the brain parts

      • Zana

        The tapes are really boring… and I own ALL of them. Thousands of dollars worth of Lectures that I dread listening to because he’s so boring. And I literally LOVE listening to people like Mike Dooley, Bruce Lipton, Abraham Hicks and Osho. But LRH? …. argh. Why did I think I had to have them? (I’m just shaking my head at myself.)

      • DamOTclese2

        “A BT or cluster has three choices – it can run its own life or run yours or run nothing. The things you run into with somatics are not likely to be of the category of your life, they’re more likely to be in the category of the BT’s life. So it gets to be a dizzy scene.

        It all becomes clear (ahem) once you drop one shit load of acid. But Hubbard;s financial frauds, the way he worded his lunatic scams, that all comes out pretty well in his other fantasy fiction writing.

        Could anyone sit down and actually read Battlefield Earth? I kind of doubt it, not without loads of quality dope on board.

        • Robert Eckert

          Mitt Romney did.

          • SLIM

            Not to mention his “Majick Underwear”….

        • Observer

          I tried once. I lasted three pages.

          • DamOTclese2

            3 pages?! That’s some kind of new world’s record!

    • Ideal Borg Bunkerite

      The hell???

      “Well, in the resolution, then, of cases, you will find there is one button above all other buttons that is an interesting button; it does tricks. It’s the ‘serious’ button. When you start to consider it very, very serious, you’re on your way, you’re on your way. An individual who considers driving a car serious business, he can consider it so seriously that he’ll have nothing but wrecks. There’s where serious goes. Serious goes down into accident band — upset, mistakes, and so forth — and it drops out of sight in that direction. How serious can you get? Dead! That’s how serious you can get.”

      — L. Ron Hubbard

      Serious is serious business you guys..

      • Mooser

        “An individual who considers driving a car serious business, he can consider it so seriously that he’ll have nothing but wrecks”

        ‘I tried to explain that to the officer, but he charged me with drunk driving anyway. He wouldn’t accept driving drunk was a safety precaution!’

        Jeez, let me guess, L Ron had a lousy driving record, right? He is a mass of projection.

      • Observer

        Says the corpulent fraudster who declared “joking and degrading” a crime.

      • DamOTclese2

        How about this one from Karen Spainks’ judicially-recognized, authorized collection of minute extracts of Hubbard’s more amusing financial frauds?

        An example of this is where two guys who are in relatively good shape start putting postulates at the same point on a wall that’s maybe twenty feet away in front of them when they’re sitting side by side. And they start putting postulates at a certain preconceived spot on the wall. Both of them will perceive a bzbzbzbzzzzz of sort of little energy explosions. Not small – maybe 3 or 4 feet wide and a couple of feet high. It’s when they both did it simultaneously. Two postulates will collide in the same exact place in the mest universe and go bzzzzzzt. It will happen; that’s at a distance. But apparently there’s such a thing as a tactile. After all you realize the amount of mass that is connected with a BT – he’s massed up. You put an impulse into that mass and the mass is up against the body – you put an impulse into the body it goes into that mass. The BT can respond. Unwittingly, unknowingly, totally at effect. Makes him hard to handle, by the way. That’s how you can make them run an Incident I and an Incident II. They just run it willy nilly. They can’t help themselves. And it as-ises in the bank and that normal phenomena takes place and they go bzzzzzt, unless you yourself have put up a ridge with anger or emotion or something of the sort. I know some guys try to do it vocally or something stupid. What’s interesting is the number of BTs that have strings into the body. You think they blow and they still have a connection — beams.

        Hubbard was seriously insane.

        • Sherbet

          First reaction: WHAT?? Second reaction: Laughing! Third reaction: The guy was crazy. Fourth reaction: And people still buy the banana oil, and that’s depressing.

          • DamOTclese2

            Have you ever skipped through Hubbard’s “NOTs: New Era Dianetics OT levels?” They’re all over the Internet despite the syndicate’s efforts to try to hide the truth about their financial frauds under claims of “copyright” and “trademark.” The abject lunacy of his tape-recorded lectures is only a taste of the full scope of the man’s lunacy as set to paper.

            This is stuff that people purchase the right to read, however at one time Hubbard sold literally tens of thousands of copies of this nonsense to people, there were hundreds of thousands of copies of this lunacy in people’s paper archives when Hubbard was selling copies to the marks however Hubbard twigged to the much more money-making fraud of selling the rubes glimpses of the scam.

            • Sherbet

              Reading might be preferable to listening. I absolutely can’t listen to his haw-haw, fake folksy blow-hard charm. One “and so forth” from his bulbous lips, and I want to frow up.

            • Robert Eckert

              There’s never just an “and so forth” from him: “and so on, and so forth” at least!

            • Sherbet

              The mark of a speaker who doesn’t know what he’s talking about. It also says, “I know the details, but I don’t need to share them with you mere mortals.”

            • Sherbet

              It depends on how much extra time he needed to invent what he was going to say next, to pull it out of his derriere, so to speak, so on and so forth.

            • Observer

              I just want to smack him every time I hear his lying voice, especially when he’s being all faux-fatherly.

          • DamOTclese2

            Oh, I should add that Hubbard’s “NED for OTs Series 50” is straight-out quack medical fraud. The insane crook tried to climb aboard the drug-cleaning money making scams of his day, and the insane loon came up with such gems in Series 50 as:

            “As you know from NOTs data, BTs can be being anything. They
            can be being a particular drug, or being a drug picture or incident,
            or even an “acid trip” for example.”

            The insane loon sold frauds — quack medical frauds — claiming that drug addictions are literally caused by invisible murdered space alien fragment infestations. In his “NarCONon” fraud, the marks are literally scraping off Body Thetan infestations.

            • Sherbet

              If I don’t laugh at the lunacy, I get seriously disturbed by the depths the scam has gone to in 60 years. It’s shocking and sad. My tenure in the Bunker has amused me, enlightened me, but also depressed me. And so I J&D for self-preservation.

    • Observer

      Eller is once-living, now-dead proof that creativity doesn’t have to be good or have any merit whatsoever to bring in gobs of cash.

  • pronoia

    Any glimmerings from Judge Waldrip today?

  • Sunny Sands

    Tent watchers’ update: Activity has resumed around the Clearwater Big Top and now Little Top. Here is a pic of little tent, and in front of the big tent, pallets of wood were being unloaded with a fork lift.

    • Observer

      Is it just the camera angle, or is Tent Jr. leaning drunkenly?

      Edit: and I see they’re once again blocking the whole road.

      • Gregory Nietsky

        error of parallax the poles look skew too ?

        • Observer

          That’s what I thought, but since at least some of this work is being done by malnourished, sleep-deprived slaves you never know.

      • Ideal Borg Bunkerite

        lol go home Tent Miscavage, you’re drunk

      • Sunny Sands

        I just used the straighten function in paint, and everything straightened up. I’ll try to replace it.

      • Jimmy Threetimes

        It is definitely leaning to the left. What is Little Top for anyways?

        • Sunny Sands

          We think it might be a VIP tent for the Big Beings.

          • Jimmy Threetimes

            They’d have to be Little Big Beings. Doesn’t appear to be much room in there

            • Gregory Nietsky

              You dont call DM / TC “Big” in reality the need a “Small” tent to make em seem larger

            • Robert Eckert

              I AM big! It’s the tents that have gotten small!

          • Observer

            In which case it’s definitely drunk–no sane tent could bear the presence of so many arrogant, deluded thetans.

        • Nevermore

          It might be a special entrance for Celebs/Big Beings?

      • Sunny Sands

        There was a Co$ camera person to my right with a tripod filming the truck guys. It looks to me like the one on top is posing.

        • Jimmy Threetimes

          Do they ever try to film you or chase you off?

          • Sunny Sands

            I’m on a public road in my own vehicle, so not that I am aware of.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              That’s good then. I appreciate the Tent Watch, thanks

            • Aslansown

              After all the videos I’ve seen of them filming and trying to intimidate people on public sidewalks, it doesn’t seem like they make that distinction. Stay safe.

      • Aslansown

        The road closure is the first thing I noticed too!

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        We have nightly windy storm fronts blowing though. And the mini me tent is flimsy.

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      Tent Candy!!! Yipeee.

    • Mark

      Thank goodness! It hasn’t spawned any more offspring during the night! (I may have got a little overwrought about tent-breeding yesterday).

      Shortarse’s Excrescence is far too close to the pavements/sidewalks and roads – a tent meant to sit in a big field, crammed into to an urban car-park demonstrates a distinct lack of proper planning. Maybe that’s why there’s all that jury-rigging and jerry-building where it’s bolted (sort of) to the tarmac?

      P.S. Several posters were talking about flying tents this morning:

      • Sunny Sands

        The front of the tent is about 18″ or .45 meters from the public sidewalk. It’s does look odd.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          And so far, no street closure updates at the city site. Clock is ticking isn’t it? Wednesday drop dead deadline (of course, since it’s scientology, deadlines can be resurrected). Isn’t there also permit deadlines for updates about the tent structure, no?

          Friday permit deadline is for site venue update and liability insurance.

          • Aslansown

            Is that today that’s the “drop dead” deadline or next Wednesday? Something tells me that they won’t do everything they’re supposed to do and they’ll still get their permits.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Today.

            • Robert Eckert

              I don’t think anyone is going to bet against you on that one.

    • GoofusMcFloof

      The Arena Group has two stop-motion videos of the IAS St. Hill tent being pitched in 2010 and 2011. The 2011 video shows how that offloaded plywood is going to be used inside to construct an Albert Speer-lite setting. Imagine: all that time and labor for a *temp* structure, just to blow smoke and twist arms.

      2010 (5:00): http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=YxnKpUSbtCE

      2011 (1:50): http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=SZlYNDe4zlg

      • noseinabk

        In both of those video’s a sub-floor was installed first. I dont recall if that was seen in Bury’s pics?

        • Missionary Kid

          Since it’s a parking lot with a hard surfac, they probably didn’t need a subfloor for the event:

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            Take another look at those pics. It’s needs some kind of flooring.

            • GoofusMcFloof

              The Arena PDF says the St. Hill interior was three-tiered. And that the ceiling was strung with *miles* of pea-lights. All of this to be *undone*, scrapped/packed, and then trucked/shipped/flown to who knows where. The carbon footprint of this event as as big as a Marcabian thorg, but not half as fragrant.

            • Missionary Kid

              But maybe no a subfloor.

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          it was asphalt and not in very good shape.

    • marti

      That Little Tent needs some fringe.

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        I agree!!!

        • marti

          BTN, Do you have a hot glue gun?
          You little squirrel.

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            I have some fringe leftover from the 60’s.

            • marti

              Psychedelic fringe.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              You’ve been peeking in my closet again, haven’t you.

            • marti

              Is that what you that open space of sunshine?

          • AsthmaticDwarf

            but please! not a sticky gluey substance that might capture Body Thetans departing to find new meat bodies, so that they’re captured and sent to the Implant Stations on Venus and Mars. Use Velcro, please!!!

    • DeElizabethan

      That little tent must be for the midget to hide in?

      • Robert Eckert

        That’s for the somewhat smaller event they are now planning for October 6.

        • Gregory Nietsky

          To be held int the mini me tent ?

          • Robert Eckert

            DM and TC will give each other medals, and tell each other how Big they are.

  • media_lush

    there’s no mention of scientology in this article by the Hollywood Reporter at all but it did amuse me that they chose to use a pic of Tommy Girl…. surely the perfect picture boy for ‘fraudulent accounting’, lulz

    http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-esq/sources-universal-elliott-management-legal-631656

    • Missionary Kid

      I believe just about all film accounting is fraudulent.

    • John P.

      We in Global Capitalism HQ have been on the opposite side of the table from Elliott Management a few times in the last couple years in activist shareholder deals. They try to force quick sales of stuff we think we can make more money on by holding on for the long term, so their success has cost us money. On the other hand, film accounting as a representation of reality is less accurate than the records kept by your average Mexican drug cartel, which has given me some painful career lessons. So watching Universal get tied up in legal knots is kind of fun. Given my experience with Elliott, I’m glad I have plenty of popcorn on hand, but I’m not going to say who I’m rooting for on this one.

      • media_lush

        I vaguely remember reading a story by Art Buchwald [I think] on the back of Int Herald Tribune about how his payment for the script [or something like that] for ‘Coming to America’ was linked to a cut of the profits and even though the film was the No1 box office film of the year he never saw a cent and took them to court. It was the first media story to highlight the rather nefarious way the studios interpreted on how a film made money.

        • Robert Eckert

          Oh it’s worse than that. I remember the Art Buchwald column which the script for “Coming to America” was totally riffing on: the scriptwriter at first denied ever having read the column at all, but once this was shown to be false, the studio “settled” with him, taking advantage of his naivete about the film business to give him nothing.

        • John P.

          Yes, that was Art Buchwald. Apparently, neither he nor his agent had ever heard of Rule #1 in Hollywood deal making: points come off the gross. Period. Rule #2: Make sure you understand rule #1.

  • 0tessa

    Cocksucker …?! Bloodsucker! I mean the ecclesiastic leader of course.
    (My English is getting better and better.)

  • media_lush

    in-house OSA Freudian slip?

    this annoys me as it implies the church is “growing”…. I don’t have an account with the site but if anyone does I think the interpretation should be cleared up

    http://www.latimes.com/books/jacketcopy/la-et-jc-national-book-award-longlist-nonfiction-20130917,0,7949081.story

  • Gregory Nietsky

    have a APP im working on using XML but easy enough to use JSON as used by Disqus any one want a upvote bot ?

    • 1subgenius

      Don’t bot us bro.

      • Gregory Nietsky

        yeah think its not needed and dont think the down voters actually hang arround to be lulz’d

    • chukicita

      why would anyone need that except OSA?

    • Aslansown

      That feels like it wouldn’t go along with the integrity that Tony displays.

      • Gregory Nietsky

        yeah and i dont want it to be too “open” can be used for chaos the idea was to trigger on downvotes and tick up to counter it

    • stanrogers

      More to the point, why would anyone use XML voluntarily anymore?

      • Gregory Nietsky

        not for web app purposes actuallly a config system for a linux system all config is in xml and the config files are generated via XSLTso good use of XML for web JSON for sure

        • stanrogers

          I wouldn’t use it for config either. Or for builds. Unless, of course, I’m tied up by a ridiculous 2000-era enterprise framework.

          • Gregory Nietsky

            Call me lazy but its easy to generate a mullti platform app using wx-widgets Qt is little overweight

            • Nevermore

              OMG, I fell into a nerd conversation! 😉

      • John P.

        Don’t get me started on “architecture astronaut” discussions. I happen to think that XML will be increasingly central to enterprise app architectures in the next 5-10 years, as the cracks in the relational model continue to become more painfully apparent, and as solid state storage (versus rotating rust) divorces physical representation from logical representation of information.

        I’ve spent a number of years focusing on next generation data management architecture as a major research area, and we at Global Capitalism HQ have made some fairly heavy venture capital bets in this area. If I’m right, I upgrade to a brand new Gulfstream 650 with enough left over for a couple new yachts. If I’m wrong, I’m homeless.

    • Gregory Nietsky

      Got what i needed baaad idea indeed

  • AsthmaticDwarf

    For students of different religious/spiritual movements – neither word would I associate with Scientology/Diantetics/NED, but LRon did and they do – who hear astronomical statements, history of the Milky Way statements, all of which are preposterous ridiculous proclamations, for never-ins can someone please explain, How can really bright people all over the world, in numbers of some thousands, accept such ludicrous claims made by Hubbard, such as: “Found a datum here you might be interested in. That particular outfit was down toward the center of this particular galaxy and was founded at 52,863,010,654,079 years. And I can’t give you it much closer than that, because when places get founded more or less becomes part of their lies. But it was founded at that time, and it was destroyed on the date 38,932, 690,862,933 years ago, by the 79th Wing of the 43rd Battle Squadron of the Galactic Fleet.”

    How does the individual accept such nonsense?

    • DamOTclese2

      Matthew 1:18-25 People are capable of believing anything no matter how obviously false.

    • Sherbet

      I STILL go back and forth between, “lrh believed this crap!” and “lrh was cackling with laughter when he wrote this crap.” All these years later, he’s still keeping people guessing whether he believed it or not.

    • Robert Eckert

      Yeah, obviously the Galactic Fleet would have billions of Battle Squadrons, each with millions of Wings. If he’s said the 790,832nd wing of the 4,347,902,873rd Battle Squadron, that would sound so much more plausible.

      • AsthmaticDwarf

        Yes! because each of 75 other planets in this sector of the Gal-AX-y had over populations of 175+ billion people! 175 billion x75 planets is a whole lot of bodies to bring to Teegeack by rocket ships appearing as DC-8s.

    • chukicita

      I was never in, either. It is my understanding that the woo is fed incrementally, along with a bite of common sense to make it go down easier. It starts out very small. Presented as ‘if you accept A, then you must also accept B’ while pointing to A (which is usually something no one would want to challenge, like “humans are basically good.”
      By the time you get to the really big woo chunks, you’re so heavily invested in it that you go above and beyond to arrange it in your mind that it is okay to swallow the B. The whole time, they’re holding the carrot just out of your reach – just one more mouthful of B and the prize is yours. Oops! It moved again. Quick, take another bite!
      This is, to me, the reason why they get so bent out of shape about information being presented on a gradient, so don’t read above your pay scale.
      And if you get people with something that makes sense on the surface at a time when they are emotionally vulnerable, you might end up with a whale. And for Scientology Field Staff Managers, or FSMs, who get a percentage of every service or book they sell, that can make pupils turn into dollar signs.

    • aurora50

      Real physics is so much more than that charlatan ever imagined:

      Thanks to MetaFilter, may I offer these for your enjoyment:

      https://www.simonsfoundation.org/quanta/20130917-a-jewel-at-the-heart-of-quantum-physics/

      and, an a capella masters thesis in string theory, set to Bohemian Rhapsody…and the guy has pipes!
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rjbtsX7twc

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        That was a complex article!

        Here was my take away (I tend to wander)…

        “The simplest Feynman diagrams look like trees: The particles involved in a collision come together like roots, and the particles that result shoot out like branches.”

        That is interesting to me as that is the way I would describe the visual for a neuron.
        Funny how it all intersects on a macro level.

        • aurora50

          Yes!
          ‘as above, so below…’

        • aurora50

          what did you think of the Bohemian Gravity? I am sorry that is the still that came up…that sock puppet of Einstein is off-putting.

      • phronsie

        That was AMAZING!!

        • aurora50

          Isn’t it! just so full of life and intelligence, humour…makes the future brighter!

          • phronsie

            Exactly!!

          • phronsie

            Exactly!!

    • ccyankee

      There was study a few years ago that revealed that our brains aren’t accepting of facts to that are in opposition to our opinions. Fascinating, really. http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/ideas/articles/2010/07/11/how_facts_backfire/

  • DamOTclese2

    “I have discovered that BTs can have misunderstood words too!”

    — L. Ron Hubbard, NED for OTs Series 46 (Confidential.)

    Yeah, the man was an insane loon.

  • Elen

    Tampa Bay News has a news story that the October 6th event is cancelled

  • Douglas D. Douglas
    • phronsie

      😀

  • Kevin Brady

    People get really crazy about Dianetics and Hubbard. Dianetics is a really simple thing: http://www.rehabilitatenz.co.nz/pages/dianetics-auditing-steps.html

    That’s all there is to it. No need for a Church, no need for an expensive e-meter, no need for extensive training.

  • sizzle8

    Breaking!
    Scientologists cancel Flag Building dedication scheduled for Oct. 6

    http://www.tampabay.com/news/scientology/scientologists-cancel-flag-building-dedication-scheduled-for-oct-6/2142574

    • Graham

      Quote from the article:

      The church has been emailing its parishioners for months in an effort to assure a large crowd showed up for the opening, said former church officer Mike Rinder, who was Scientology’s chief spokesman for more than 20 years before defecting in 2007.

      He said the church first asked its members to prepare to come to Clearwater in September. Then the church asked Scientologists to make travel plans for October.

      “A lot of lives have been disrupted by this (week’s) change,” said Rinder, who lives in Palm Harbor and writes a blog about Scientology that often includes what he says are reports from the inside.

      During his years as church spokesman, he was a central figure in planning church events, such as grand openings. He conducted media tours of new church facilities. He said the church often made program changes up to the last minute, but never changed dates of events.

      “I don’t remember a calamity like this that played out in the public ever before,” he said.

      • pronoia

        Moar.

        ‘Dunbar has directed his staff to start looking at dates that definitely wouldn’t work for the large event downtown. Fall is a busy event season for the city.

        Finding a date that will work for the building dedication might prove difficult, said City Manager Bill Horne.

        “The problem is that the further you go into the fall, the more competition you get from other events,” Horne said. “Here’s another example of where good planning makes a difference. An event planned for late September or early October would avoid that kind of competition.”‘

    • pronoia

      Wow! Isn’t that now the 2nd huge event that has been canceled? Guess the RSVP and reservations were on the soft side.

    • phronsie

      8-I

  • Douglas D. Douglas

    ” The Church of Scientology has backed off previously announced plans to dedicate its Flag Building downtown on Oct. 6 and will push back its grand opening indefinitely.”

    This is not a test.

    http://www.tampabay.com/news/scientology/scientologists-cancel-flag-building-dedication-scheduled-for-oct-6/2142574

    • filosofa

      My heart is actually pounding. Is this really for really-real? Not a mistake or “joke” or something…

      • Eclipse-girl

        would Mr Frago Lie to you?

        • filosofa

          We-eell. Our Proprietor did acknowledge him in a previous report…but he’s no Tony O, no-one is!

          • Eclipse-girl

            second that . He is no Tony – 0. see ya on the next post

          • Robert Eckert

            But he’s on the spot in Clearwater.

            • filosofa

              Fair enough. And one of the good guys it would appear.

    • Observer

      I’m not at all surprised, cynical and degraded being that I am.

      • Robert Eckert

        I am. I was hoping the event would turn into a lulztastic clusterfuck, but I assumed Davey had too much pride invested in this now to not force the show to go on, regardless.

    • phronsie

      O_o

    • Ideal Borg Bunkerite

      oooooh the motherfucking lolz. Donate more! more I say! we must beat the wogs who wish to schmear our *cough* good name!

    • 3feetback-of-COS

      Oh damn, I have already bought my tickets and hotel reservation — NOT

    • Jimmy Threetimes

      I knew they hadn’t raised enough money. Resume the super power regging!

    • Gregory Nietsky

      WTF let me read this for realz ? no lulzing ?

    • I was speechless for a minute there.

    • aboutandout

      Holy shit Batman, so is this an attempt to hide the fact that the attendance at the shindig would have been low? This is no longer foot bullets, he is just shooting in the air wildly now. For a guy that thinks he is so brilliant, he really just doesn’t have a frigg’n clue.

      • filosofa

        So you’re saying it’s a a cunning stunt by COB?

  • Bury_The_Nuts

    Ok, Pay attention……cuz this doesn’t happen often.

    I AM FUCKING SPEECHLESS!!!

    • pronoia

      Would this be something that would demoralize the Sea Org? /snark.

      • Eclipse-girl

        What if they have to start taking that tent down, tomorrow?

        • pronoia

          I think they are trying to fudge the issue so that the take down of the tent is delayed. But I have a feeling that in addition to attendance woes, insurance is a big deal and the city should say that if that thing is not insured it must come down!

    • Observer

      I’m sitting here chortling smugly as I’m supposed to be working. Davey just couldn’t give up the cash cow quite yet.

    • Sherbet

      About what? Did I miss something?

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        No, Miscavige did. He lost his mind.

        • Sherbet

          Don’t help him find it, for heaven’s sake.

          Are we talking about the cancellation?

          • Eclipse-girl

            They couldn’t make the applications that CW wanted. so now it is cancelled.

            I

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        Flag opening canceled

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      for real, Miscavige? Really? Gee, I can’t imagine WHY not having anything in place for the busiest season in that area caused a problem.

  • Deeana

    I would guess that obtaining an insurance certificate for that tent might be a part of the problem here. They could, of course, self-insure, but that usually involves tying up a whole lot of money.

    • pronoia

      I was wondering the same thing myself. In any scenario, insurance of big tents has got to be difficult and expensive. How much does it cost to get a huge tent insured in Florida during Hurricane season?

    • filosofa

      In the tampabay.news article Horne says “Here’s another example where good planning makes a difference.”

      Scioloon planning-tech. Masterful… not.

  • Cat Daddy

    L. Ron Hubbard speaks about Evil Lord Xenu

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jx-7a9ak2js

    • 3feetback-of-COS

      Just the Ol’ Storyteller there, sitting ’round the campfire, and pulling fantasies out of his ass — to entertain and amuse.

    • Sherbet

      I don’t want to listen to the Ol’ Bloviator…but is that the presentation where he says “Xemu” by mistake, and then covers by saying we could use “Xemu” or “Xenu.” The guy needed a Rolodex to keep track of his lies.

      • Cat Daddy

        And Zemoo

  • Aslansown

    I logged off for about an hour in an attempt to prepare for a big presentation in a few hours and look what happens while I’m gone!

    • Robert Eckert

      You need to log off more often, maybe?

  • DeElizabethan

    Talk about mis-management. They can’t even put on an event properly anymore. Bet the people who already came from out-of-town or made plans, are either happy or mad. Some may just leave now.

    Wahoo, and they can’t blame the city either.

    • Sherbet

      But they will (blame the city). This looks SO BAD for the cult. I love it!

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      But they will!

    • pronoia

      Anyone who had any brains or ability has blown or has been off-loaded. Like Debbie Cook? Just as one example?

    • Eclipse-girl

      I totally agree they will try to blame the city, but c’mon, will people really accept that?

      I want to hear the excuse for the laughs. I wonder if Co$ does blame CW could CW sue for libel?

  • phronsie

    I’m almost disappointed by the cancellation; I was tentatively looking forward to it being a big egg on li’l bit’s face….

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      This may be a bigger Goose Egg!

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        This. Is. HUGE. (chk mail)

  • Sherbet

    Sunny Sands — You scared ’em away!

    • Sunny Sands

      Thank you!

      • Gregory Nietsky

        Awesome job well done ++ good

      • Watergate

        Sunny, you did great!

  • TonyOrtega

    NEW POST UP

    • Gregory Nietsky

      Big up to TO and the folks on the ground shout out to you for info , photos and dealing with city.

      to every one else cary on carrying on do it for the lulz

      • I just way too much time giggling at that pic. I don’t know why, but it just tickled me to death.

        • Gregory Nietsky

          Its so funny its just wrong. thx

  • Eclipse-girl

    Who is Davey slapping now? I fell very bad for that person

  • filosofa

    Take that, Co$! This’ll teach ’em to kill trees. Kudos to the city officials or insurance providers or whoever!

  • Sunny Sands

    I thought something was amiss yesterday because the entire tent site was dead, no workmen at all. For something on a tight deadline, it seemed out-of-place.

    • Missionary Kid

      I thought of you when the announcement came down. Thanks for your reporting.

  • media_lush

    caption competition [Tony has the real deal on Brad Pitt’s ‘involement’ with scientology in the previous post to this one for those coming late to this current post]

    • Nevermore

      As you can see, Scientology has turned my girlfriend into a super-intelligent wonder woman!

  • richelieu jr

    Seeing as she can’t tell her Bastards from her Cocksuckers, it grieves me to say that I am no longer totally sure that Claire is ‘Clear’ at all!

    THAT IS NOT OK!

    Of course, there’s only one way to be sure! (don’t worry Claire, it doesn’t take place on Hollwood Blvd!)

    FLUNK! Go back, do it again!

  • Guest

    YSBOHB… FLUNK!

    YSCOHB! SO MUCH WIN!!!!!