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Claire Headley Tells Us How to Keep Scientology Working

Tom Cruise, KSW!

Tom Cruise, KSW!

Claire Headley is taking us on our journey to train as Scientologists. She and her husband Marc were Sea Org workers who escaped from Scientology’s International Base in 2005. She spent years working with Scientology’s “tech,” and was trusted to oversee the auditing of Tom Cruise. Go here to see the first part in this series.

Claire, it looks like this week’s course is going to continue to build on what we’ve encountered before.

CLAIRE: Yes, “Student Hat” is the big daddy of the BSM — the Basic Study Manual.

It’s like the end-all course on study tech, and after you’ve done Student Hat and Method 1 word clearing, you’re categorized as a “Fast Flow student” and you don’t have to get so many star-rate checkouts.

THE BUNKER: We’ll take your word for it that that’s a really nifty achievement.

CLAIRE: It’s essentially a much deeper study of the “barriers to study” and the reasons and theories behind why study technology was developed.

Probably more significantly, this is the first course that was dramatically changed by the Golden Age of Tech in 1996. This is the first course where you now do “patter drills” (talking to a wall) and various other new drill types that were invented by David Miscavige.

THE BUNKER: Which, apparently, was really upsetting to some Scientologists who want their L. Ron Hubbard unadulterated and not messed around with by Miscavige, the current church leader.

CLAIRE: Second, this is the first course where you study KSW #1 as the very first reference. Hereafter you study KSW #1 at the start of every course you do.

THE BUNKER: How about you talk about KSW and what it means to Scientologists today.

CLAIRE: KSW #1, or Keeping Scientology Working Series #1, is one’s introduction to the inner core of Scientology.

Ask any Scientologist and they will be able to rattle off to you the ten points of Keeping Scientology Working:

1. Having the correct technology.
2. Knowing the technology.
3. Knowing it is correct.
4. Teaching correctly the correct technology.
5. Applying the technology.
6. Seeing that the technology is correctly applied.
7. Hammering out of existence incorrect technology.
8. Knocking out incorrect applications.
9. Closing the door on incorrect technology.
10. Closing the door on incorrect application.

This list is committed to memory forever by any good Scientologist.

I think I studied KSW #1 and word cleared it (read it aloud to another person) hundreds, if not thousands, of times.

THE BUNKER: And paid for the privilege.

CLAIRE: These ten points are a main premise of the Religious Technology Center — the so-called police of Scientology.

There are a few choice sections of the KSW policy itself that I think are worth talking about. Take a look at this one…

The finest organizations in history have been tough, dedicated organizations. Not one namby-pamby bunch of panty-waist dilettantes have ever made anything. It’s a tough universe. The social veneer makes it seem mild. But only the tigers survive — and even they have a hard time. We’ll survive because we are tough and are dedicated. When we do instruct somebody properly he becomes more and more tiger. When we instruct half-mindedly and are afraid to offend, scared to enforce, we don’t make students into good Scientologists and that lets everybody down. When Mrs. Pattycake comes to us to be taught, turn that wandering doubt in her eye into a fixed, dedicated glare and she’ll win and we’ll all win. Humor her and we all die a little. The proper instruction attitude is, “You’re here so you’re a Scientologist. Now we’re going to make you into an expert auditor no matter what happens. We’d rather have you dead than incapable.

Up_The_BridgeSo at this point, as you go deeper into the world of Scientology, this is the first time when it is clearly stated that they do not accept people of all religions, at least not if you continue to practice your other religion. And KSW is the initiation into “our way or the highway” full on.

We’re not playing some minor game in Scientology. It isn’t cute or something to do for lack of something better.

The whole agonized future of this planet, every man, woman and child on it, and your own destiny for the next endless trillions of years depend on what you do here and now with and in Scientology.

This is a deadly serious activity. And if we miss getting out of the trap now, we may never again have another chance.

Remember, this is our first chance to do so in all the endless trillions of years of the past.

This is another frequently repeated section of KSW in Scientology…

The bank-agreement has been what has made Earth a hell — and if you were looking for hell and found Earth, it would certainly serve. War, famine, agony and disease has been the lot of man. Right now the great governments of Earth have developed the means of frying every man, woman and child on the planet. That is Bank. That is the result of Collective-Thought Agreement. The decent, pleasant things on this planet come from individual actions and ideas that have somehow gotten by the Group Idea. For that matter, look how we ourselves are attacked by “public opinion” media. Yet there is no more ethical group on this planet than ourselves.

THE BUNKER: Yeah, that’s powerful stuff. And we remember Tom Cruise’s highly literate description of it…

So, for me, it really is KSW, and it’s just like, it’s something that, uh, I don’t mince words with that. You know, with anything that LRH does, but that policy to me has really has gone, boy, there’s a time I went through and I said, “You know what…” When I read it, I just went (noise that sounds like poof), “This is it. That’s exactly it.”

Claire, did you do the talking-to-the-wall drills? Can you describe what they were like?

CLAIRE: Yes, I did many patter drills that involved talking to the wall.

These were developed by David Miscavige in 1996. They did not exist in Scientology training prior to that point.

In fact, I was at Flag in March 1996 when these were first introduced. I was training to be an “RTC Representative” — I was supposed to be the RTC Representative for Celebrity Centre in LA when I completed my training, although that did not end up happening. So I was required to supervise the training staff who were being taught these new drills.

One sits in front of a wall and repeats the words, ideas, or codes to be learned verbatim, over and over again, with good TR-1. Meaning you are to deliver the words naturally and clearly as if you were talking to a person.

To be clear, I am not someone who believes everything was great with Scientology until Miscavige took over.

However, I will say that Miscavige has a unique ability to turn pretty much anything into a form of cruel and unusual punishment. Absolutely unique. I’ve never met someone like that since leaving Scientology.

So somehow he managed to turn these patter drills into a complete nightmare. One of the other RTC representatives was put on manual labor because she had failed to enforce students delivering their lines properly to the wall. In Miscavige’s opinion they were talking too quietly. Yep, huge flap.

I did hundreds of patter drills, committing numerous Hubbard codes, laws, and stable data to memory, irrevocably.

THE BUNKER: And the cost for this course?

CLAIRE: That price list you posted yesterday lists it at $1,200.

 
COST THIS WEEK: $1,200

COST SO FAR: $3,125

 
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Bend, Oregon dentist loses appeal on religious discrimination case

You may remember this case from last fall, when we posted the entire order from Oregon’s Bureau of Labor and Industries after it demanded that Bend dentist Andrew Engel pay a former employee $347,654 for religious discrimination. Engel had pressured his employee to attend a 3-day Scientology symposium, and she quit rather than comply.

Engel appealed, but now the appeals court has upheld BOLI’s fine, saying that Engel didn’t provide enough information to justify reversing the decision.

“We will hold employers accountable if they violate employees’ civil rights,” said BOLI Commissioner Brad Avakian. “I’m pleased that the Oregon Court of Appeals has denied this request by AWE Dental Spa to avoid taking meaningful responsibility for its discriminatory actions.”

Oregon is really standing up for this woman’s rights in this case. We can’t help remembering that Oregon was the site of a very different outcome back in 1985, when pressure by hundreds of church members torpedoed another woman’s search for justice after saying she’d been harmed by Scientology.

And get ready, Portland, we hear from our tipsters there that the new Ideal Org looks almost ready to open, and David Miscavige said at the Birthday Event in March that it was next in line. It’s almost like there’s a new Religious Freedom Crusade happening in Rose City, and this time the local judiciary doesn’t seem so ready to roll over.

 
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Karen de la Carriere examines “Other Practices”

Another interesting video from Karen, J. Swift, and Angry Gay Pope…

 

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on April 24, 2013 at 07:00

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  • turkeybrain

    The Bend dentist can now be known as the “Bend-over” dentist.

    • FistOfXenu

      And the bent crooked dentist.

      • Wonder if he did Cruise’s teeth. It would explain so much.

        • Hey! I used to go to tom cruise’s dentist! Elizabeth Settle out in the ‘Valley’. She was very good, but very Scientologist. I think she went into running a ‘mission’ in the valley.

          • Observer

            Even a super powered Scientologist dentist is no match for Tom’s massively suppressive center tooth.

            • It’s amazing how you can never unsee that. *shudder*

            • Observer

              I first noticed it a long time ago, almost from the time he got famous. I have never been able to see see him in any medium without those off-center teeth completely overshadowing him.

          • One of the dental hygienists working for my dentist was telling us that she worked for a Scientology dentist for a while. She said he was always trying to push the Scientology on the staff AND a bad dentist.

            My dentist just seemed puzzled by the whole thing (thank goodness. I’d hate to have to change dentists.)

  • FLUNK_101

    First of all, I am enjoying Claire Headley’s recollection of her Scientology training. It’s wacky stuff, but she is so lovely and dignified. I always enjoy it when it’s her “day.”

    I tried to post the following comment on Saturday, when Jon Atack quoted LRH saying, “I want Scientologists to live through World War III.”
    I had a disqus problem …
    I hope nobody minds me posting this again.
    It’s about niacin,
    and an old friend …

    “I want Scientologists to live through World War III.”
    – L Ron Hubbard

    That’s why Scientologists are into niacin. They think it empowers them. They believe that, by building up a tolerance to niacin, they become impervious to the harmful effects of radiation.
    I remember Hubbard suggesting that Scientologists might be the only people still functioning after a nuclear attack. (If they’re the only ones who can help out after a car accident, I guess that goes for nuclear attacks as well.)

    You know, back in the 70’s, when I was “in,” (you knew this was coming), I was visiting with a Scientologist friend of mine. He was a good ol’ boy from West Texas. He always had a jar of niacin within reach when we were hanging out … he’d pop some niacin pills to get a “niacin flush.”

    I googled “niacin flush”:

    “Yet another feature of niacin is that it dilates blood vessels and creates a sensation of warmth, called a “niacin flush.”

    Of all of my clam friends, this Texas gentleman was the one that my non-Scientologist sister thought was a truly fantastic person. He was an amazing photographer, musician and he was also a very supportive friend. Whenever he noticed an exceptionally talented person, he would tell them, “You should be makin’ a living at that!” (if they weren’t already)

    CO$ (Celebrity Center Los Angeles) asked him to do some photography for them. They agreed upon a price, and he did a great job.
    Only they never paid him. He decided to stand his ground. A deal was a deal, and he knew he had a right to get paid.
    The runaround they gave him lead to his leaving the church. In the process of trying to get his money, he came to the realization that the whole thing was a scam.
    He said to me, in his West Texas drawl, “LRH fooled a LOT of people, for a LONG time, and for a LOT of bread!”
    He couldn’t believe how badly he’d been fooled, in so many ways, and for so many years.
    He was like he’d become a walking encyclopedia of suppressed rage.
    He told his wife he didn’t “belong on this planet.”
    Drinking heavily didn’t help …
    One evening he went outside, sat on the curb, and shot himself in the heart.

    • Observer

      It’s just one tragedy after another with Scientology. We’ll never know what Elron’s true body count is.

      • BuryTheNuts2

        Well, as long as they are the most ethical people on the planet….what is a few discarded meat sacks in the big scheme of things?

        Frking ass holes.

        And yes, we will never know the true body count because as much as they love those stats….they suddenly stop counting when people start dying. Because the tech works 100% of the time when applied correctly…..
        So all of the dead were just doing wrong!

        Sorry for the heavy sarcasm….I need coffee.

        • Observer

          Never apologize for sarcasm, especially when it’s directed at such a deserving target.

          • FistOfXenu

            2nd this. I know how easy it is to feel like this BTN. Then you either pour the sarcasm all over the cult or you let it eat at you. Keep pouring til you feel good. And have coffee! 😉

            • BuryTheNuts2

              I temporarily forgot that it is my “hat” at the bunker to be sarcastic and snarky. Mind you, this is a self appointed position, but I like it… and I take it very seriously (she says with a straight face and a furrowed brow….you believe that? right?)

              I have some caffeine in me now. I have sent my minions on their missions for the day. I am ready to tear up some KSW, LRH and Diabolical Davey!

            • VickiStubing

              Unfurrow that brow! Don’t you know being serious causes wrinkles? Laugh lines, we can live with those 😀

            • BuryTheNuts2

              That is why god made botox darling!

            • monkeyknickers

              Precisely!

            • FistOfXenu

              There, that’s better. Sarking and snarking at $cientarCONon is a calling in life. Obey your calling with pride and enthusiasm and pleasure.

            • EnthralledObserver

              Self-appointment is the order of the day, innit? Afterall, that’s all Davey Mismanage did to gain his position…

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Power is assumed!

              I had just had this epihipany after sucking on my inhaler….Oh wait…that was Davey…right?

      • Mike Gormez’s web site ‘Why are they dead, Scientology?’ is still up under the aegis of xenu.net though it hasn’t been updated for a long while. It makes sad reading.

        http://www.xenu-directory.net/mirrors/www.whyaretheydead.net/

    • FistOfXenu

      This is so upsetting and sad I’m afraid of what I’m thinking. His blood is on their hands as much as if they pulled the trigger.

    • that is so tragic. and i have never seen anyone get the money they were ever promised by an org. a deal is a deal unless youre the most ethicalpeople on the planet.
      i used to really worry that i would survive wwlll, i didnt think i could take the horror or so many around me dying. im kinda relieved that if it came to that i would just die like everyone else, lol.

      • FLUNK_101

        This guy was militant about artists getting paid for what they do. And Hubbard praised the artist’s value to society. Ironic how Celebrity Center showed their true colors by not paying him.

        • Missionary Kid

          It’s “1984” all over. “Ethical” means screw you. “Religion” means screw you. “Refund” means screw you. “Saving the world” means screw you. “Moving up the bridge” means screw you.

          BTW, it’s pretentiously written, “Celebrity Centre.” I’ve got to come up with a parody name for CC.

          • Midwest Mom

            Celebrity Censor?

            • Missionary Kid

              Hey, good to hear from you. People were wondering where you’d been.
              That’s a good one. I like it. “Celebrity Censor”

            • Midwest Mom

              I re-injured my shoulder and tore my rotator cuff, again! Argghh! When they asked my at the hospital how I re-injured it I said, “Fighting off Zombies”.

              The nurse didn’t even react, she just typed it in to her I-Pad. Later, my my doctor said, “Fighting off Zombies, huh? Did you win?”

              🙂

            • Missionary Kid

              Apparently, there were some people dressed and made up as zombies in Portland (?) who were in a car accident. When the EMTs got there, the “zombies” had to tell them that they didn’t need to treat the fake wounds, that they were O.K.

            • Missionary Kid

              Every time you’re on this list, you’re fighting zombies and you win.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              That sounds horribly painful. I hope you recover swiftly.
              Zombies cannot be trusted!

            • Captain Howdy

              Hey, I’d trust a zombie with their arms chopped off and their teeth pulled out further than I’d trust most people.

            • elar aitch

              I think I’d be getting rid of the lower jaw, just to be sure.

            • FLUNK_101

              Good one, Midwest Mom!

        • Still_On_Your_Side

          I am so sorry for the loss of your friend. I hope that people who are this harmed by the cult today find this website, and others, and direct their rage against the cult, not against themselves. I imagine that there are many, many bankruptcies caused by the cult failing to pay members for services or goods. After all, if someone can be declared for asking for a refund, someone who asks to actually be paid for their work must truly be an “enemy” of the cult. I wonder if the Republican Party knows that big-contributor Miscavige is so anticaptitalism, and that he operates such a national-socialistic organization (spelled “NAZI”)?

    • hogarthian

      That’s horrific. But really profound. I think that’s the rub, right there. ‘he couldn’t believe how badly he’d been fooled, in so many ways, and for so many years’. The feeling of disbelief and humiliation and rage at your own foolishness, and the sheer injustice of it all, I think, is what lies behind most of those who stay in.

      • SciWatcher

        As well as those who get out and become “independent.” Like Marty working so hard to legitimize the “tech,” despite seeing everything massively wrong with it.

        • hogarthian

          And that’s part of the ‘can’t ****ing believe it’ mentality. Some people appear to just not be able to let the **** go! Fascinating, but sad.

      • FLUNK_101

        He was good friends with Jeff Dubron, who left around the same time.
        Neither of them did well after Scientology. Both were very bitter.
        Jeff was in the GO, and was good friends with Diana Hubbard.
        Jeff was paid off not to talk, but he said something anyway. One day he was walking down the street and got the shit beat out of him. He has serious health problems, and now he’s a recluse who wants nothing to do with the world.

    • Spackle Motion

      That’s a very sad story, and this is why I come back here every day. It’s too bad that he wasn’t able to get real help and turn his rage into something constructive, like fighting this horrible cult.

    • RMycroft

      If Niacin runs out radiation, how come the same old sunburn damage shows up every time they have the flush?

      • BuryTheNuts2

        That is not sunburn damage! It is the body thetans being forced to the surface by good old Niacin

      • FLUNK_101

        Exactly. They think they’re running out past exposures to radiation, such as getting a sunburn.

      • FistOfXenu

        “the Tech don’t work
        it just makes you worse
        and I know it’ll flush your face again”
        (apologies to Verve)

      • monkeyknickers

        Because it is . . . . total bullshit. :))

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      I am so sorry you lost your friend. Thank you for sharing.

    • grundoon

      In HCO PL 28 March 1965, “Emergencies and Accounts Personnel,” L. Ron Hubbard dictates this Scientology bill paying policy:

      In the case of a tradesman demanding for a bill only slightly overdue you will usually find they have done poor work or slow work if you’re at all solvent and paying your bills. Don’t say, “We’re too poor and we can only send you a little but we will try.” If you do and anybody hears of it in the org, it may become the subject of discipline if not Committee of Evidence. Say properly, “I don’t see that your bill is much overdue. It takes a bit of time to pay a bill, you know. I will check over your account and see if it is all right. And by the way, people who dun us either have insufficient finance to handle our business or something is wrong with their bill. I am setting your bill aside for audit and if you call again about it, we will sever the account.” Be tough. They’re probably a gyp outfit anyway. I’ve never found otherwise. …

      If the org has foolishly let itself get deep in debt and there is little money, the surest way to make tradesmen demand full payment is to tell them how “poor” you are. They will instantly rush to serve you with suits. Just say, to tradesmen who dun, “Oh really? We’ll send you a cheque.” Never say how much. And stay steady with dateline paying and you’ll make it. Your casual air is itself promotion.

      Hubbard dictates Scientology’s “dateline paying” policy in HCO PL 28 January 1965, “How to Maintain Credit Standing and Solvency”:

      There is an exact way to pay bills. This is to pay the bills up to a certain date always. It is called “Paying by dateline”.

      Never “pay a little bit on each bill” to save money or help cover a lean period. That will never help. On the contrary, it advertises your lean period and hurts your credit. Instead, always, lean or fat, pay all the bills behind a certain date and none closer to PT [present time] than that date…. You can have six months worth of unpaid bills in some areas of the world and still have a good credit rating providing you do not have one bill that is ten months unpaid. …

      Tell Accounts, “Give me every bill we owe prior to August (three months ago).” Add these up. Let’s say the amount exceeds our cash. Cut it back one month. Order “Write cheques for every bill up to July 1.” (That’s four months back.) That we can cover fully with cash. We pay all bills up to July 1. …

      After you’ve paid all bills older than 4 months, get busy and make money. In 30 days, request of accounts “all bills up to 15 August”. Let’s say we find that we have cash to cover. We say “Pay all bills up to August 15”. Now we’re only 3 1/2 months behind. A month hence we pay “All bills up to Oct l.” Now we’re only 3 months behind. …

      Only pay by this system: PAY EVERYTHING UP TO A DATE ALWAYS and no further. …

      Government tax bills, water bills, occasionally rent or phone are sometimes accompanied by threats of vast action unless the whole bill is paid instantly. Still try to use the above system. But if you can’t, pay it and retard other bills accordingly. And thereafter, don’t pay that outfit’s bill on any other terms than threatened trouble.

      If a tradesman, despite the use of the above system, demands further payment or threatens suit, caution him that if he carries on this way you’ll deal elsewhere. And carry out the threat. Never continue to use a private business firm after they become obnoxious about bills. Trade elsewhere. And say why. If you’re using the above dateline system and a tradesman gets upset, then he is gypping you or he has too little finance to handle your account, so stop trading with him. Always make that an iron-bound policy.

      Be very proud and haughty about bills. Never propitiate.

      • BuryTheNuts2

        Why does this shock me but not surprise me in the least?

      • FLUNK_101

        Thanks Grundoon!

      • Observer

        I wonder if that would work on the regs? It IS “scripture”, after all.

  • Observer

    “This is a deadly serious activity.” Yes, deadly. Just ask Lisa McPherson.

    Scientology: it doesn’t just steal your money.

  • Did COB pay royalties to Willie Nelson for the talking to walls drill? I wonder if David sings it to himself with a Faron Young voice when he thinks of Shelley?
    ………..

    Hello, walls
    (Hello, hello)
    How’d things go for you today?
    Don’t you miss her
    Since she up and walked away?

    ………..

    Miss Pattycake

    • FistOfXenu

      Funny you signed yourself like that Andrew. Back when I was choosing a name I almost called myself that. But I’m old-fashioned enough that it’d feel too strange calling myself “Mrs”. I guess I could’ve used Mr Pattycake but I wasn’t sure if people would get it easily.

      • Casabeca

        So curious now :).

      • ThetaBara

        That would be a great pseud!

  • The unintelligible portion of the Tom Cruise video is “that LRH does”–“with anything that LRH does” (not that it makes it make any more sense because it doesn’t) 🙂

    • BuryTheNuts2

      Tom Cruise needs to learn how to lighten up and laugh at himself! Watching this video of himself, after he smoked some weed might set him on the path to freedom.
      Naw….I am dreaming.
      But the idea of that is pretty funny.

      • FistOfXenu

        Don’t stay in that dream too long. All dreams about TC end up with him grinning that manic grin, and the smile gets bigger and bigger til The Tooth is like a big blank white tombstone. Then it swings open like a door and it’s a door to the Bridge To Nowhere and you’re falling and falling into a Hole til you wake up in a cold sweat.

        Uh, I mean, that’s what I’ve been told by other people.

        • BuryTheNuts2

          Fist, it is even worse in my world. I always dream Tom Cruise is my brother.

          Fight off THAT in your family tree while you are sleeping!!!!
          It probably is why I am obsessed with my teeth!

          • FistOfXenu

            I’d be obsessed with never sleeping again.

          • *shudder* Way to put my PIA relatives in perspective.

      • hogarthian

        I feel sorry for him, ‘cos I think he’s a bit thick.

        • ThetaBara

          I can’t feel sorry for him. He fronts a dangerous cult and benefits from the slave labor!
          OTOH I am not certain he is literate enough to ever read anything for himself so he may be truly trapped (that and the whole “how could I have been suckered so badly” thing would be REALLY BAD for Tom because it would happen in the public eye).

          • hogarthian

            Well exactly! I’m not so sure he’s availed himself of the literature on Sci and slave labour. Because he’s a bit thick.

      • FLUNK_101

        I love the scene of him smoking a joint with Nicole Kidman in Stanley Kubrick’s “Eyes Wide Shut.” According to Marc Headley, they weren’t “being Scientologists” at the time. I wonder if it was a real joint?
        Isn’t “Eyes Wide Shut” a perfect metaphor for TR0?

        • FistOfXenu

          And isn’t “you can’t handle the truth” the perfect metaphor for his state of mind?

          • Missionary Kid

            I was going to watch “A Few Good Men” on TV. It was being run back to back, so I happened to catch the end of the movie while I was waiting to see the beginning.

            At the end of the film, a Marine (was it Cruise?) calls attention on deck and salutes with their hat off.
            One of the first things a person in the Navy or Marine Corps learns is that, unlike the Army and Air Force, you NEVER SALUTE WITHOUT COVER (a hat on). It becomes a part of your DNA not to.

            As much as I like Nicholson and Sorkin, I skipped it.

            • FistOfXenu

              Yup. I saw that and thought wtf? Movies that don’t do basic research don’t deserve to be watched.

            • Missionary Kid

              Actually, I thought it was done intentionally for dramatic purposes (it works on that basis), because the great majority of people haven’t been in the Navy or Marine Corps or been in a naval service family. I’m willing to bet the technical adviser had a cow over it.

              Like the Caine Mutiny, it’s a fable.

            • FistOfXenu

              Huh. I didn’t think of it like that. I just thought “NO! Next thing you know they’ll have him growing a fu manchu and braiding his hair!” But yeah I should watch it sometime with your idea that it was for effect and see what I think. Thanks.

            • Missionary Kid

              Because I’ve been flying for over 40 years, I watch every movie about flying carefully. There is so much bullshit done in movies, the news, and documentaries about flying that I’ve almost inured to the inaccuracies.

              Most are the result of misconceptions developed over the years or the desire on the part of someone to add drama.

              Question: What happens when the engines quit on an airplane? Answer: You are now flying a glider, which often can be put down safely, witness the “miracle on the Hudson.” I’m not trying to minimize Sully’s skill, just point out a fact.

        • BuryTheNuts2

          Isn’t “Eyes Wide Shut” a perfect metaphor for TR0?

          ^^^Oh yeah! But I gotta tell ya Flunk, by the time that movie came out I could not stand to watch Cruise at all…So I skipped it.
          I just cannot suspend my disbelief enough to enjoy a film with that guy in it.

          Besides I could not watch a movie that was supposed to be erotic with Nicole “ice princess” Kidman and Tom “Intense, but probably asexual” Cruise without someone threatening me with a stun gun!

          • hogarthian

            LOOOOLLLLAGE! perfect, perfect! I think she probably was a little free spirited at one point, but her ambition and vanity got in the way.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              She of “Dead Calm” and “To Die For”.
              And then marriage to Cruise killed her personality.
              She has been an Iceberg ever since (publicly)….and I am sure she has her reasons to be exceedingly careful.

          • Captain Howdy

            I tried watching it because it was Kubrick but it just confirmed for me he had lost his game. The last truly great Kubrick film was “Barry Lyndon” imo.

        • hogarthian

          Stanley Kubrick, being Stanley Kubrick, would have strongly suggested that they do smoke a real one. Nicole would’ve been more than up for it.

      • Missionary Kid

        I disagree. Keep him serious and wacky so that people can see an example of wackiness caused by Co$.

    • FistOfXenu

      “The unintelligible portion of the Tom Cruise video is THE WHOLE DAMN THING”
      Fixed it for ya. 😉

      • monkeyknickers

        HA! I never get tired of watching that vid. Every moment, you think it can’t get more embarrassing – AND THEN IT DOES.

        • FistOfXenu

          It’s great isn’t it? And I watch it and think to myself, the guy took the comms course and can’t even communicate, and he’s an actor but he can’t even act like he can communicate. He’s just so full of FAIL. The 1st time I watched it I even was waiting for him to start jumping on a couch just because he couldn’t talk. When he didn’t I was thinking “he jumped around for Katie Holmes but just sat there making sounds like an asthmatic parrot for $cientarCONon.” Now I just watch it for the lolness and roflness.

          • villagedianne

            Cruise is obviously just better with a script.

            • FistOfXenu

              “with a script” – you mean, with somebody telling him to use real words?

          • Captain Howdy

            The end result of the com course is you end up sounding like the ultimate spaced out hippie who can make totally excellent cartoon sound effects.

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYYvudWZGlY

  • Truthiwant

    “Hello, I saw a publicity flier about Scientology and I was interested. Can you tell me a
    bit more about what you do?”

    “Well, we talk to walls and we have conversations with ashtrays and we stare in to people’s
    faces for hours at a time and we ask them if fish swim or birds fly. Later on
    we tell you that you have thousands of space cooties attached to your body and
    we charge you hundreds of thousands of dollars to get rid of them. Are you
    interested?”

    “That’s fantastic! Where do I sign up?”

    • Midwest Mom

      Sign right here…and here….and here…and fill out these loan applications…and how would you like to go on a thrilling bus trip to Portland? You might even get to see CORN COB in person! Remember, you need to do this to this to save the planet, otherwise Tony Ortega and his anti-Scientologist interwebz groupies will win…and you don’t want that to happen, do you?

      Well?

      Hey, where do you think you’re going? You can’t walk away from me! Hey, wait…stop running…I’m trying to make you more able here, bucko!

      Huff..huff..wheeeeeeze

      • Truthiwant

        You mean he out-ran you and escaped? With all those vitamins that you take and those super powers you have? FLUNK! GO STRAIGHT TO ETHICS.

      • FistOfXenu

        …Before you go, could I bum a cigarette off you? And maybe some money for a big Mac? Pleeeeeeeeeease cough cough

    • Sokramor

      I kept wondering what this “do birds fly” thing reminded me of, or where I’d heard it outside of Sci topics, and I just remembered: World of Warcraft. (Don’t hit, me please!) There’s a quest chain where you have to infiltrate a doomsday/slavery cult called “Twilight Hammer”, and you have to go through a couple of trials to be accepted as a member. One of those trials is called “Mental Training: Speaking the Truth to Power”, and you have to correctly answer questions like “Do dogs bark?” or “Is blood red?”. (There are other trials called “Forced Labor” and “Mercy is for the Weak”. Reminds me of something…) I really wonder where Blizzard got their ideas from, hmm…

  • FistOfXenu

    “One sits in front of a wall and repeats the words, ideas, or codes to be learned verbatim, over and over again, with good TR-1. Meaning you are to deliver the words naturally and clearly as if you were talking to a person” Translation into human = “Practice talking to a wall as if you’re talking to a person until you get really good at talking to a person as if you’re talking to a wall”

    And judging by that this is one tiny bit of $cientarCONon they could claim works.

    • BuryTheNuts2

      Translation into human = “Practice talking to a wall as if you’re talking to a person until you get really good at talking to a person as if you’re talking to a wall”

      ^^^ Great observation FOX.

      • FistOfXenu

        I love to please, BTN. Must be the puppy in me.
        I GOTTA stop eating so many hot dogs.

        • VickiStubing

          I love cats. I just can’t eat a whole one by myself.

          • FistOfXenu

            Likewise. But I’ll share 1 with you if that helps any. 🙂

            And at this point maybe I better apologize to all our fellow cat lovers in case they take this the wrong way.

            • VickiStubing

              I have a great sauce for grilling–and the neighbor cat just wandered onto the deck again….

              Apologies schmapologies. If cats don’t wanna get eaten they should stay outta the kitchen.

            • FistOfXenu

              That’s what I say about the hot dogs. 😛

            • Observer

              Are you ALF? “Cat juice!” lol

            • BuryTheNuts2

              I am a cat lover!!!!

              Especially in stir fry with some oyster sauce!

            • FistOfXenu

              I prefer catsup.
              Sorry, I had to say that.

            • Captain Howdy

              You’re all going to basement hell because..

            • Observer
    • judging by how empty the ideal orgs are walls are the only thing left to talk to!

  • In the future, it would be the ethical thing to do if the church seminar instructors told their clients not to force their employees to attend, or they could get sued. I can’t see them doing it, though.

    • John P.

      Especially under the reign of David Miscavige, the cult is too caught in short-term thinking to do that. They will predictably go for the biggest pile of cash today, instead of being patient and running an honest organization that may grow to be larger over time. And in this particular case, the cult takes none of the risk for illegal mandated religious training — the sheep-like dentist who gave in to pressure from the cult is absorbing the loss, not only of the payout to the former employee, but all the legal fees. The cult is nowhere to be found. So they can (and will) continue to demand that WISE clients send their employees to Scientology.

      • BuryTheNuts2

        “Especially under the reign of David Miscavige, the cult is too caught in short-term thinking”

        Naw…It is just TOO easy!

        • FistOfXenu

          Awwww, go on!

        • Roger Larsson

          David Mayo or Pat Broeker could have made the shit in $cientology much better.

          • BuryTheNuts2

            Roger, um, They might have made it more palatable, but they could not have made “it” better.
            It is still L.Ron Hubbard’s shit stream that makes it what it is!

            • FistOfXenu

              Ripe sewage. Like a fine wine. NOT

          • RMycroft

            Adding icing and chocolate sprinkles to a cow flop doesn’t make it a dessert.

            • Roger Larsson

              It had been more difficult to make a book with David Mayo or Pat Broeker at the top said Jon
              Atack.

      • Observer

        WISE–that acronym is a misnomer if I’ve ever seen one.

        • John P.

          It goes downhill quickly from the name. If you find a copy of the “green volumes” (which contain the “management tech”) on line, try reading them. It’s basically 1,300 pages of Hubbard drivel in the form of random memos in no particular order. Nothing is distilled into principles or general concepts. You read all these cockamamie theories of his, which are clearly heavily influenced by his love of the bureaucracy and acronyms of the WWII Navy, and you reel at how bizarre it all is. You don’t have to be a management consultant to get the feeling that none of it is ever going to work, though I can tell you as a former management consultant exactly why it is never going to work.

          So when you look at the business proposition, it’s no wonder that the only people who sign up for WISE consulting have no idea that it’s Scientology. Who’s going to sign up based on the truth: “Hire our expensive consultants who are going to sell you on the management theories of a guy who never worked in an actual company in his life, theories based on the bureaucracy of the US Navy circa 1943, and the secrets he used to drive his ever-dwindling cult into the ground can be yours for an amount equal to several years’ profitability.” Sounds like a good deal to me!

          • Observer

            The fact that he dropped depth charges on a magnetic anomaly off Oregon would have sold me. Obviously a man who knows his way around running an organization. lol!

      • monkeyknickers

        Seriously – WHY ARE THEY SO DUMB. I’m not being an ass, I genuinely don’t get it. Like – if you put up tomatoes and potted meat to last you over the winter, and one day in September, your mom puts every jar on the dining room table and says, We must eat it all RIGHT NOW DON’T WORRY ABOUT CHRISTMAS AND STARVING AND SHIT.

        • This is the same question that gets asked so many times about believing in the foolish doctrines, in the pathologically lying founder, etc. Why are they so dumb? It’s conditioning. A dentist, who has probably exhibited a high level of competence in order to get educated and licensed in his profession, could most definitely be conditioned through brainwashing (KSW) to accept expediency in the service of command intention over his own common sense and future well-being.

          He has been trained that thinking for himself is sacrilege.

          • monkeyknickers

            Just to clarify, when I said “they are so dumb” I meant upper management. Which in this case I guess in only one man.

            But Phil do you think that Miscavige was conditioned into his role now? That’s a really interesting thought.

        • Captain Howdy

          They’re not necessarily dumb they just can’t accept like apparently most of the people on this planet that they’re just another species of animal and that death is the EP of their existence. It’s all quite sad and tragic especially for all the flora and fauna who have had to suffer through a never ending genocide against them due to this mass hysteria and human exceptionalist folderol.generated by works of superstition down through the ages..

          “Then God said, o“Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. And let
          them have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the
          heavens and over the livestock and over all the earth and over every
          creeping thing that creeps on the earth.”

          Approx. 70 billion farm animals are killed around the world every year and this “Does not include: Wild animals killed by hunters, wildlife displaced by animal agriculture, wildlife directly killed by farmers with pesticides, traps or other methods” like poaching, loss of habitat, industrial fishing, shark finning (70 million a year) etc.

          Excuse my off topic rant, but it’s something i feel strongly about.

          • BuryTheNuts2

            Rant away Capt…. It is your right to rant!

            As I finish my pork chop…..which was delicious BTW….

            • monkeyknickers

              Pork. Drool. Nom.

              I’m having ramen.

              🙂

            • Captain Howdy

              This isn’t a question of vegetarianism vs eating meet. it is the simple fact that way too many humans are raping the planet and waging a genocidal war (in the name of religion and industry) against every over living thing on this planet to the degree that soon the planet will cease to be liveable. It will be toxic and decimated beyond repair, perhaps as soon as the end of this century.

              Oh well back to the last laughs.

  • VickiStubing

    Re: “Other Practices” How many active, practicing, faithful members of other churches become Scientologists? I mean, it’s not like their buildings don’t say “Church of Scientology” so why does a member of another denomination even walk in? That would be like my walking into the regional Buddhist temple and saying hey, I wanna be Lutheran AND Buddhist! No conflict of beliefs there!

    • They have advertised in the past that all faiths are welcome, and that scientology will not conflict with them. Just another in a long list of whoppers they tell to reel the fish in. A more astute person will of course see the conflict.

      • Years ago, my then wife and I knew a charming interesting woman who was also a Scientologist. She was also a devout member of the LDS church. Corporate Scientology would not let her onto the ‘OT’ levels until she gave up her LDS beliefs. She wouldn’t and left Scientology. At the time, we shook our heads at her refusing to be a real KSW scientologist.

        • I’m just trying to imagine the mashup of beliefs. Did Xenu ever visit Kolob, I wonder? Did the Marcabians ever fight the Lamanites?

  • aquaclara

    It’s a one-two punch of cult nuttiness this fine morning here at the Bunker! First up, the exposé of Keep Scientology Working. Ten redundant lines of “use only LRH” drivel, er, tech, and you will battle all the comic book-like intergalactic infighting that will ruin the planet. Then learning to deliver by rote the nonsensical correct tech patter by chatting to a wall. Claire, you’re great at describing this all to us with a perfectly straight face!

    Then on to Karen and the Pope, who have given us another funny vignette, convincing an on-the-fence member to drop all his outside interests, avoid being declared an SP, then cough up even more money for Basics sets for libraries in Africa that will reduce crime. At the end, he sells his soul for $millions for a photo op with COB and maybe a fake gold trophy.

    Nutty, indeed. Underneath it all, the mind control is in full force.

    • FistOfXenu

      10 redundant lines of “use only “LRH” followed by hrs and hrs of using the Demented Midget’s squirrel tech. It’s brilliant isn’t it? So DM absolutely KNOWS everybody around him are SPs because he’s the 1 that made them that way.

      Not that they’d be any better off just doing Source’s version of total fuckwit lunacy. Just that they wouldn’t be squirrels too.

      • aquaclara

        Brilliant. And only a lunatic who could follow LRH’s ramblings in the first place could possibly think up how to pile more sh**t on top of the original pile of guano.

  • VickiStubing

    “That is the result of Collective-Thought Agreement. The decent, pleasant
    things on this planet come from individual actions and ideas that have
    somehow gotten by the Group Idea.”

    Wowee. The best example I can come up with for individual action being decent and pleasant is every time someone escapes from Sci-world.

    • FistOfXenu

      Consider this double up-voted, Vicki.

    • FLUNK_101

      Yeah, right! It takes an individual to be smart, because agreement is a form of stupity. That’s why Hubbard is so smart, because he’s a real individual (so they agree with him).

    • Ms. B. Haven

      In scientology there certainly is collective-thought-agreement, and then it gets worse than that. It turns into collective-thought-enforcement. There is no room for individuality. Individuality is ruthlessly squashed flatter than a Pattycake.

  • hogarthian

    What has always struck me about Sci ‘training’ is the sheer enormity of the amount of stuff one needs to learn off pat…. If we’re talking volume of information, your average doctor isn’t required to retain even half as much. It’s no wonder most sci’s can’t string a coherent sentence together… metaphorically speaking, all their drawers are overflowing.

    Karen, god love her. That hat, on that hair, with that face and those teeth, and with her spoken delivery… she’s like a caricature of herself, in an utterly fabulous way 😉

    p.s. Got *most* confused about culty churches, there ain’t one in The ‘bridge… it’s the Mormons! (so no pics!).

    • BuryTheNuts2

      Oh the AV! Why am I not surprised!!!

      • Captain Howdy

        WTF? Hogarthian must be a Stranglers fan.

    • Bob

      If you actually listen to all the tapes, read all the books and do all the training you would do nothing else with your life for 6-8 years. It is my experience that all that could be boiled down to one manual and a CD or two of quotes. I am amazed that there are clams who still manage to successfully function with all that stuff rattling around in their heads.

      • FistOfXenu

        And just think of all the clams that got bullied into buying the new more correct than Source reissues.

        • Bob

          Yes, it’s like you sell someone the Brooklyn Bridge then you call it the new improved Brooklyn bridge and sell it to the person again. Massive scamology.

      • hogarthian

        Indeed, except that they don’t *really* function though, do they.

        • Bob

          Well they think they are happy and successful but ultimately they get tripped up. It is inevitable.

  • monkeyknickers

    Go Beavers! Or Ducks! I don’t mind! Why does my home state have the stupidest sports team names ever!

    • BuryTheNuts2

      And the worst drivers on the West Coast! What is up with that? They all drive like they are on an old rusty tractor.

      • Spackle Motion

        It is my firm belief that the worst drivers live in San Francisco. They frequently double and triple park during broad daylight, in front of cops. They run through red lights like they don’t exist, and with the large numbers of pedestrians that don’t follow any street signs, I’m surprised that there aren’t 10-20 pedestrians that aren’t killed every day.

        The worst thing I ever witnessed in SF was some really dense woman in the far right hand lane at a stop light/intersection. To her direct left was a SFPD patrol car, also stopped at the light. When the light turned green, this woman made a u-turn, from the far right hand lane, right in front of the cop (cutting him off). The cop cursed loudly at her, waved his hands around a lot but did nothing and drove off.

        This is why I refuse to drive there. It makes the drivers in LA seem highly courteous and kind.

        • That’s because the only ones driving in San Francisco are the tourists, who have no idea where they’re going, and the crazy bus drivers. I’m fairly certain you have to flunk a sanity test to get hired to drive a bus there.

          The locals (and near locals) take BART into the city then walk or take buses/cabs.

          • Spackle Motion

            No….I’ve spent a good portion of my life in SF to know that these are not tourists. Most of the bullshit that I’ve seen happened in the Mission and on Market Street. I’m not an innocent here, as I’ve often parked on the sidewalk several times, but the mix of self-entitled pedestrians with retarded driving = my refusal to drive there. I use BART and cabs as much as possible, or let other people drive because it is maddening.

        • Captain Howdy

          I haven’t been in S.F in 20 years so maybe it’s changed, but you haven’t seen bad drivers until you move to the east coast. Theses fuckers will turn you into street pizza without giving it a second thought. In Frisco no pedestrian payed attention to the light because we knew the drivers would stop.

          • FistOfXenu

            The rest of the country has “walk/don’t walk”. We have “don’t walk/hunting season”.

            • Captain Howdy

              In CA. pedestrians have the right of way no matter what. In MA. you can legally run someone down if you can prove they walked against the light. In Boston and NYC pedestrians are considered “fair game”. I don’t drive and I hate drivers, generally speaking.

            • FistOfXenu

              Yup. “Pedestrians may be tricked sued lied to or destroyed.” But a clean kill is considered best practice.

          • ThetaBara

            I agree. Boston, NYC, even Chicago is insane.

        • John P.

          You have obviously never been to New Jersey. My favorite is watching people from New Jersey who get up early to bring minivans full of kids into Manhattan to see the sights on Sundays because street parking is free. When taking the dogs out for a walk, watching the incredibly inept attempts to parallel park on the streets of our fair city is a painful mix of tragedy and farce.

          Given that I am a capitalist, I have occasionally thought about having a crew of under-employed actors or film school graduates standing on corners in certain neighborhoods ready to be dispatched to help New Jerseyites parallel park. $20 is not too much to ask, particularly on streets in the Village which are too narrow for people to get by while these morons make their ill-fated attempts to back into a space. I probably wouldn’t make enough to buy a new jet but I could be doing a great public service, easing traffic congestion, keeping hundreds of actors off the welfare rolls (which beats enacting a mandatory spay and neuter program), and allowing people from New Jersey to retain a modicum of delusional self-esteem about their life skills.

          • Spackle Motion

            You are correct that I have never spent considerable time in NJ to make that judgment. I’m used to the driving practices of Southern CA, which seem very tame compared to SF. We have a lot of tourists here too, but I avoid the tourist spots during the summer months because 10 miles = 1.5 hours during most of the daytime hours (weekends included).

      • FistOfXenu

        Driving like you’re on a rusty old tractor sounds like a normal day on the freeways. If you don’t learn to think and drive like that you get road rage and start ramming everything around you. My guess is it’s habit forming.

        • hogarthian

          for the love of god!… everything I read is a metaphor now. Starting to ram everything around you because you’re dissatisfied with riding a rusty old tractor? Will it never end!

          • FistOfXenu

            Sheesh, calm down hog. Did you miss your morning coffee? Quick, get the pot on the stove before you melt down.

            • hogarthian

              Sorry, over excited 🙁

            • FistOfXenu

              It’s okay. We all have days when we check in here without our breakfast or coffee. It never works out well. 🙂

          • BuryTheNuts2

            Hey, I said “like”, so mine was technically a simile!

            • hogarthian

              Go Nuts! (no, scratch that) 😉

            • Captain Howdy

              What’s up with the cute kid pic? Are you running for office?

            • FistOfXenu

              Maybe the kid’s name is Simile? Hey, people call their kids the strangest names now.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Since I was being bitchy…I thought I would throw a cute kid under the bus to save me from any wrath!

            • Captain Howdy

              Hey, it was good for 3 votes, so good move.

    • FistOfXenu

      Root for the Beavers. Sounds better. “Go Beavers!” See?

      • Observer

        Until you know what “root” means to Aussies …

        • FistOfXenu

          I was thinking about that as I typed but figured I’d get away with it. The picture in my head was a team called Beavers playing a team called Root with their cheerleaders shouting and I thought I’d describe the picture but it’d get X rated real quick so I didn’t.

          • hogarthian

            I’m SO pleased I dropped by today…. I just love a good belly laugh.

            • FistOfXenu

              Glad to help. I’m in that mood today, I’m gonna be snarky as hell for a while, then I’m heading out for a walk to burn up energy, then around lunch time I’ll sit down and read a book or something to take my mind off this. Then I’ll have an ice cream soda. If I don’t do all that I’ll start having black thoughts. then I’ll make my way back here in a completely good mood.

            • hogarthian

              Fabulous. I love a schedule that’s as focussed on damage limitation as mine.

            • FistOfXenu

              Yup. There are times I just have to remember to step back from the burning train wreck so I don’t catch fire too. The evil vampires known as the criminal organization known as the church of $cientarCONon are evil. I snark at them until I catch myself doing it to other stuff. Then I step back and get refreshed by real life.

            • ThetaBara

              My main IRL community just had a huge crisis over the past several days. There was a positive outcome but it was exhausting dealing with it. I had zero bandwidth for anything else. You know it’s crazy when this place is a diversion!
              Missed you guys!

            • FistOfXenu

              Good to have you back alive and well

        • Captain Howdy

          Ha Ha, root for beavers.. Hip Hip Hooray!

          • FistOfXenu

            We should volunteer.

            • Captain Howdy

              “Hands Up!”

    • hogarthian

      Is it only here in the UK that we use the euphemism ‘beaver’ to mean ‘vajayjay’? I can’t even think about shouting ‘Go Beavers’ without howling with laughter. It may be just me?

      • VickiStubing

        No, it’s not just a UK thing.

        • hogarthian

          oh christ, HOW funny…. bear with me…. time for those scented panty liners 😉

        • FistOfXenu

          I hope her friends could keep a straight face and say to the teacher “But what’s wrong with saying shave those beavers?”

          If they had their way would the team change its name to “Brazilians”?

          • hogarthian

            It wouldn’t work FoX!… Beaver being ‘fanny’ (being vajayjay) and Brazilian being ‘hairstyle of fanny’. That would be like shouting ‘Go mid-length bob (74) with bangs’… kind of 😉

            • FistOfXenu

              That’s it. Spoil a rude comment by being all technical and accurate. 🙂
              They’d be changing the name to the most obvious visible characteristic, the hairstyle. Good enough?

            • hogarthian

              More than good enough!

            • FistOfXenu

              Thanks.

            • Ze Moo

              Welcome sports fans, todays football match up is between the Nashville Mullets and the Queens Itialian Pompadours….

            • FistOfXenu

              So what mascots could they get for teams called that?

            • Ok, being just blocks from OSU, I regularly spot the sign in the beauty salon window: “Get your Beaver waxed!”

      • FistOfXenu

        Always makes me think of shouting “go pussies”. All kinds of wrong.

        • hogarthian

          Oh dear me…. now you’ve just led my train of thought into shouting “go c***s”… and I’m hysterical (again).

          • FistOfXenu

            But you wouldn’t actually root for DM’s minions would you?
            And anyway the full cheer would have to be “Go CSOHB” wouldn’t it?

            • hogarthian

              I could be persuaded to root for DM’s minions if I could shout “go c***s!”.

      • Ms. B. Haven

        Love that new avitar Ms. Hoggie…

    • John P.

      Oregon may be outdone by its neighbor to the south. When it was founded in the late 1960s, the administration of UC Santa Cruz settled on “Sea Lions” for the team name, commemorating an indigenous species found in nearby Monterey Bay. The students had other ideas, though they liked the idea of honoring a nearby species. They decided that the humble banana slug, a denizen of the nearby fog-shrouded redwood forests, would be more appropriate. The Banana Slug has been voted the best college mascot in the country on several occasions. Here for a visual feast is the real thing in its natural habitat: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Banana_slug_at_UCSC.jpg

      • Spackle Motion

        I’ve never sure which mascot was worse – the slug or the Gaucho (UCSB). There are some pretty strange mascots in CA.

        And Sea Lions are found all throughout CA’s coast. For a number of years I lived 3 blocks from the beach and heard them barking, loudly, during certain seasons (it is very loud). They are quite mean toward humans and would regularly bite surfers.

        • BuryTheNuts2

          And they smell freaking AWFUL!

          • Captain Howdy

            The Great Whites disagree with you, and SM, maybe they bite surfers because they’re invading their space?

            • FistOfXenu

              Or they think surfers smell awful?

            • ThetaBara

              Surfers DO smell awful!

            • FistOfXenu

              Really? I used to surf and I stayed clean. A bit salty but clean. You sure they weren’t driftwood posers?

            • Captain Howdy

              Surf Nazis

            • FistOfXenu

              Surf nazis are real surfers. Driftwood posers pretend to be surfers just out of the water or thinking about going in. They can surf but suck at it and prefer posing. The board hardly gets action so it’s driftwood. A lot of surfers prefer to call them kooks but I already used that word other ways so I came up with driftwood posers. It was just for in my head anyways and I don’t surf any more so who cares?

              I asked about posers because they don’t spend much time in the water and they can get to stinking pretty bad.

            • Captain Howdy

              Dogtown and z-boys. TSOL FTW!

            • Spackle Motion

              It depends on where they are surfing. There are parts of the water that you don’t want to go into if you value your ability to have children and not getting cancer.

            • FistOfXenu

              But some of those posers you wouldn’t want to be able to breed. Some of the surf nazis too now that I think about it. 🙂

      • Ms. B. Haven

        I was just discussing my boss’s college last night and the spousal-unit asks, “I wonder what the mascot is for The Evergreen State College?” We looked it up and proceeded to split a gut. Speedy the Geoduck has to be one of the all-time wackiest mascots out there.

        http://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/stltoday.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/b/23/b23b6925-e609-523b-9e5c-094af18782df/4cb37c032959b.preview-300.jpg

        Perhaps even stranger is Scrotie from the Rhode Island School of Design…

        • Sherbet

          The only thing more shocking than Scrotie is the fact that RI School of Design actually has sports teams and, hence, a mascot.

        • Spackle Motion

          Actually, Ms. B., the picture you have is of the Evergreen State Geoducks (a mollusk). The scrotie pictures are exactly what you think they are…..pictures of big dicks and balls. It’s sad that a school based on design couldn’t come up with a more inventive mascot. I get that the team is actually named the “Balls” but still…..be creative.

      • I had a friend who desperately wanted his son to go to UC Santa Cruz just so he could get Banana Slug gear.

        The kid went to Arizona and flunked out instead.

        • Casabeca

          At Scottsdale Community College in AZ, the team is called the Artichokes.

        • Observer

          There’s some kind of moral in there somewhere, I’m just not sure what or where.

    • Ze Moo

      The beaver is a magnificent animal. Though I really don’t care for Poutine.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRI-A3vakVg

      • monkeyknickers

        Oh, poutine. Sigh.

        But is the Canada Critter really the beaver too? Copycats! Well – copybeavers!

      • FistOfXenu

        I think you can have the beaver without the poutine.

      • Captain Howdy

        “The beaver is a magnificent animal.” There’s at least one guy who would disagree with that..if he could.

        http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-202_162-57579364/beaver-attacks-and-kills-man-in-belarus/

        • FistOfXenu

          Maybe he was lucky. The thing was probably rabid and that’s not a fun way to die either.

          • Captain Howdy

            Yea, I don’t imagine the rabies vaccine has made it to Belarus yet.

    • Missionary Kid

      I went, for one year, to UCLA, so what I say about the USC Trojans is that they’re the only school I know of that named their mascot after a prophylactic.

      • FistOfXenu

        I bet they split their sides every time you made that joke….

        • Missionary Kid

          Oh, no. It was meant to insult people who attended the University of Spoiled Children.

          On the other hand, my late brother-in-law taught there. He said he had a deal with the football team – they didn’t take his course, and he didn’t flunk them. I should say, though, that he had an All-American lineman take one of his courses, and they earned an honest B.

          • FistOfXenu

            Let me try again “split their sides”

      • monkeyknickers

        Not the hollow horse and men waging war over Hellen? 🙂

        • Missionary Kid

          What USC ignores is that the hollow horse was used against Troy, and they lost the war.

          • monkeyknickers

            HA HA HA!

    • Missionary Kid

      They’re not stupid. The western part of the state tends to be wet.

      • monkeyknickers

        Trust me, I know. I’m living in LA for 3 years and I’m STILL drying off. I mean – why couldn’t we have thought of some snazzier animal? Like OSU Extinct Grizzlies. Or . . . . the UofO Scarily Endangered Whales ! OR !! The SOU Spotted Owls. (if there is another Oregonian on this board, that last one will make more sense.)

        • Missionary Kid

          Just remember that school mascots were picked a long time ago. It’s a legacy.
          $cientology’s would be a ghost turd. (If you were in the service, you might know what that is).

          • monkeyknickers

            I definitely know. We moved off the reservation and my new school was the “Redskins”. I mean, it’s the same as changing the Chargers to the San Diego Chinks.

            My papa was in the service during Vietnam. . . should I ask him about ghost turds??:))

            • Missionary Kid

              Only if his motto is Semper Fi or he sings Anchors Aweigh.

            • monkeyknickers

              Nahhh – he and the whole male community got drafted as Army infantry. Dad said (he doesn’t EVER really talk about this) said his unit would joke about how the officers made sure to put the “apes” in the jungle first.

              When did the Marine Corp stop segregating? 1960s?

            • Missionary Kid

              The first Black Marines were those that went through Montiford Point in WWII. Integration was slow, but Truman, I believe, ordered it, and while it was slow for officers, by Korea, USMC was integrated.

              By the mid 60s, the Marines only recognized one color: Marine Green. Yes, there was racism, as there was in all the services, but as far as fighting went, it was Semper Fi.

            • monkeyknickers

              It must’ve went faster for the Marines? Or maybe . . .the party line says one thing that practically speaking doesn’t exist? This is 14 years before I was born but – Dad said that when they were in Okinawa, there were no mixed accommodations. His area/room/whatever it was – had two indians (not us Cherokee or something I think) and three black men from Detroit. At the PX they were served last he said. It really gives me comfort to think that the Marines were a little more forward thinking than the army.

            • Missionary Kid

              I wasn’t in until the middle 60s. I was stationed in the South for the most part.

              By the time I got there, I didn’t see any “whites only” signs, and the enlisted Marines and Navy were pretty well integrated on base, but off base, there wasn’t a whole bunch of integration.

              The officer corps, however, was just starting to integrate. There were few black Navy and Marine officers.

              There was one black Navy doctor I remember who had started out as an enlisted man. He was sharp and a hard worker, so they gave him the chance to go to college. The Navy paid. After graduating with excellent grades, he became an officer and went to medical school. After his internship, he worked for the Navy as a physician and became a Flight Surgeon. With all the time that he had in, he was a Commander (equivalent to Lt. Col.), and he only had a few years left to retirement if he wanted.

              Marine burial details were sent out for military funerals. The senior enlisted man available would be in charge. One funeral was in a small town deep in the woods in Alabama, and the senior enlisted man happened to be a black sergeant. The white family took one look at him and said that he was not going to head up the funeral for their son.

              The sergeant called back to base, and the C.O. said to tell the parents that either he was going to head up the detail, or there would be no military funeral. “The Marines only recognize one color, and that’s Marine green.”

              The parents gave in. I’ll bet that was the first time that church was integrated.

              It is possible that your dad served under a cracker C.O. In the Marines, when the WORD came down from God (Marine Commandant), things went his way. The Army is so much bigger that possibly the C.O. could get away with it longer.

              The difference between Co$ and the military is that while in battle, a C.O.’s power is absolute, outside of that, it is not, but in all cases, the military is ultimately controlled by a civilian President and Congress. There are always feedback mechanisms that send information up the chain of command, and a good leader takes care of their troops. Unless there is a war on, one’s contract has a definite period of time, and even in wartime, there are leaves and furloughs and liberties. Also, they pay you.

              None of that is true of the Co$. One is enslaved in a system that is kept permanently in chaos in order to maintain a twisted loyalty to the COB and to keep everyone on edge because they can lose all status at a whim. It’s bullshit.

  • BosonStark

    KSW — fixed, dedicated glare — that’s what it’s about — being dedicated to being dedicated, knowing how to know, being certain about certainty.

    No meek shall inherit the Earth in this group. It takes drive — Tom Cruise drive. You have to be driven to success and willing to drive others to be equally dedicated to the cause, because you KNOW. The ones who aren’t? Dispose of them quietly, without sorrow, after you’ve gotten as much money from them as you can.

    The KSW stuff just gives me the creeps. This is the type of thing that is fascist and militaristic. If you want to make more Sciloons, show people your damn super powers. Demonstrate your miracle cures in a controlled study apart from the money-sucking mind bend.

    • FistOfXenu

      Yup, dedicatedness and certaintyness. Or else disposedofness.

      • Missionary Kid

        I disagree. All three terms go together. Even with dedication and certainty, if it suits Co$, a person is disposed of for some random imagined slight to Co$.

  • FistOfXenu

    Okay, I’ve got my KSW down pat.
    1. Havingness
    2. Knowingness
    3. Moreknowingness
    4. Teachingness
    5. Applyingness
    6. Seeingness
    7. Hammeringness
    8. Knockingoutness
    9. Closingness
    10. Moreclosingness

    Trouble is then I remember TC’s video and I’m overwhelmed with laughingness, jokingness & degradingness.

    • Observer

      And a new #11: Ecclesiasticalness

      • FistOfXenu

        You squirrel you! You can’t go adding to LRH’s 10 commandmentsness!

        • BuryTheNuts2

          Why not,…our troll tried to yesterday.

          • hogarthian

            Who was yesterday’s troll? Was it ‘gayle smith who is gayle smith but isn’t gayle smith’? I was going to suggest we should all adopt the ‘gayle smith prefix’, for a day.

            • FistOfXenu

              bob74. Thinks ecclesiasticalness is a protected practice under the Constitution

            • hogarthian

              Shit…. I missed bob/bob74?… what a shame.

            • FistOfXenu

              He’ll be back. The way he’s going he’ll still be doing his a to e when our grandkids are saying “granpa what’s a scientology?”

            • hogarthian

              HAHHAHAHAH!

            • Sherbet

              It’s bob74. bob is a different person. He’s still in but conflicted. Still, we think he’s scratching at the door to get out and is very honest about what he’s seen over the years in scn. If OSA has any idea what he’s been saying, then he’s very gutsy to take the chance.

            • ThetaBara

              That was what I thought, however other posters have convinced me that they are the same person running two socks. IDK what the point of that might be, but apparently that is what is going on.
              Blow, Bob, blow! Don’t route out. Just blow.

            • Sherbet

              I’m reasonably sure they’re two people. But, you’re right; let’s hope Bob keeps on pushing that door open until he’s out.

            • FistOfXenu

              I documented the Bob problem last week. We have TWO “bob” accounts somehow. I posted the screenshots. one of them only posted about 5 posts last week and the other one is our bob and a good guy. The 1st bob with 5 posts I think he’s also bob74. Our bob has been here for a while now and after all he’s said here we could cut him some slack?

            • Sherbet

              I must have missed the two Bobs, but I know some people thought Bob and Bob74 were the same person, and went on the offensive at the wrong Bob. Not me, though. I always defended “our” Bob, because that’s the kind of noble person I am. Nah, it’s because he was polite and made sense. D’you think we’ve run the Bob story into the ground yet today? I’m done!

            • Missionary Kid

              Bob doesn’t make sense to us wogs, because he’s bought into all of the LRH falsities. I’m not letting him try to sneak in any of that bullshit any more. I will be polite, but there’s too much LRH fairy dust in what he writes.

              He obviously hasn’t done his homework on the outside world, and, since he’s been on this list for a long time, I say he’s either a Kool-Aid drinker posing as a wannabe ex or he is flat out lazy or scared.

            • FistOfXenu

              Oh shit I’m so tired. There are 2 accounts both called “Bob”. Blame Disqonnectus for that. The pictures of the TWO DIFFERENT ACCOUNTS WITH THE SAME NAME are in my answer to Sherbet but I don’t guarantee where Disqonnectus put them. For me they’re just below this answer. They really truly are 2 different accounts. Look at the pix.

              1 Bob is ours and he’s a good guy in a bad situation. the other Bob is a plant. I’m referring to his hat not his intelligence although it’s not always easy to tell the difference. Plant Bob or Troll Bob may or may not be Bob74. Somebody else can look that up.

              Sorry MK, not getting at you personally. I just hate this kind of thing. Maybe I need to go for another walk.

            • Missionary Kid

              FOX, I’m not going to be uncivil to Bob, just on the off-chance that his position may be real. He portrays himself as working towards leaving, but he keeps on attending functions and trying to act like he’s still a clam to the clams. He may be flat out scared to read xenu.net, but there’s too many resources out here to educate himself.

              He appears to be old enough to have served LRH, so I’ll assume he’s got family in.

            • FistOfXenu

              That’s what I’ve been assuming too. And if you have to choose between an all out assault on the cult or keeping connected to your family and going guerilla, you suck it up and go guerilla.

            • Missionary Kid

              The old is about a man having to make a choice between two doors. Behind one is a beautiful lady, behind the other, a tiger. Behind one is bliss, the other agony and death.

              Co$ has their version: Behind the doors are a tiger and a lion.

            • FistOfXenu

              Sounds about right.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              MK, Bob has already stated that he has family in and I believe disconnection is his primary worry.
              And as WE know. It is a valid one.

            • Missionary Kid

              Yup. See my answer to FOX below. Bob’s choice is not the lady or the tiger, but the tiger and the lion.

            • ThetaBara

              Thank you for the explanation! I really hope that Our Bob is not the Other Bob(74). I’ve had some good conversations with him and I hope he keeps coming around.

            • FistOfXenu

              I’m happy to admit I’m wrong with some proof but I pulled the profiles of “Bob” from the 2 kinds of comments and there they were. 2 accounts. Disqonnectus has to fix it. but I don’t want to rag on our Bob just because of some guy doing a to e or some OSA troll.

            • Sherbet

              Fist, you’re the Atticus Finch of this blog, trying to be fair to people and doing your homework to back it up. I’m with you. I can’t stand conflict, especially when it borders on meanness. (There’s another “ness” for you.)

            • FistOfXenu

              and it’s the ness DM mastered from the beginning. Bet LRH ended up wishing he’d taught little Davey the value of gentleness and kindness.

            • FistOfXenu

              Kind of you to say that Sherbet. When it’s my turn to be cranky and unfair to somebody I hope you guys’ll do the same for me.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Well, even if Bob is still drinking some of the LRH-aid. I welcome him here. Where better for him to be! I sure the hell don’t want him to end up at Marty’s or Rinder’s.

              I wish everyone would give him the benefit of a doubt. Who cares if he ends up being a troll in the end. What is the harm in that?

              The last thing I want to act like is a closed group, “your with us or your against us” Scientologist.

            • Missionary Kid

              I’m not going to treat him hostilely. I’m just not going to let any statement that is based on LRH tech, which originated in his mind, with no scientific basis, get through. I don’t usually flame or engage in ad hominem attacks, and I won’t with Bob.
              I will engage him, but I won’t let any of that fake tech get through.

            • Observer

              I’ve actually heard our Bob say some pretty scathing things about Hubbard and the tech.

            • Missionary Kid

              I agree, and apparently since he had contact with LRH as a member of sea org, he is now realizing what a self-centered asshole he was. The problem is that the programming that goes along with Co$ is so deep for someone with little experience with the outside world, that it has become a part of his reality.

              I am somewhat sympathetic to the indies, but I want to scream, “It’s all bullshit, there’s a lot better, cheaper ways to get ‘wins.’ It’s called therapy.”

              People complain about their shrinks, but, while there are some bad ones out there, the worst are usually better than Co$, and the best are tremendous.

            • FistOfXenu

              We’re doing that sooper power thing with our brains again Sherbet. I’d love the Bob story to be settled. I can’t remember which day I went through all this but I had the sense to save the screenshots. PLEASE people before we carry on jumping on “bob” just look at these? Our Bob must be closing in on 600 posts by now. Troll Bob only had 5 posts on April 16th (I think that was the date). I suspect troll Bob is also Bob74 but I can’t prove that. I can’t even see why Disqonnectus lets 2 people both be called the same name but the pix prove it does. (They’re too busy letting us make fancy schmancy profiles to make sure the service works right but that’s another story)

              Anyways maybe we’ll just let it go for today. Maybe

            • ThetaBara

              Sorry for perpetuating disinfo! I was so disappointed to think Our Bob had gone back!

            • BuryTheNuts2

              And I am sorry I got confused and contributed to it.

            • FistOfXenu

              No problem ThetaBara. I think it’s deliberate and I think our Bob has to remember to be careful. This could be a way of targetting him to get him to tell us more about himself so they can use it to try and figure out who he is. If that happens he’s in deep shit. But I think we need to be here for him so he has someplace where people aren’t riding him all the time.

              Trouble is there ‘s no way to keep this info where we can all refer to it. So I’ve posted a couple of times now but by next week or 2 somebody that didn’t see it is gonna kick off on him all over again.

              I shouldn’t be so tetchy

            • Missionary Kid

              I will be firm with him, but not disrespectful, nor will I flame him. I will try to be sympathetic.

            • FistOfXenu

              Thanks MK. Really though it doesn’t even take that. Just notice which Bob you’re probably talking to and remember we have 2 of them. 3 if Bob74 turns out to be somebody else. Talk to the contents of the post. Remember 1 of them is a good guy trying to do something hard and at the same time fix the noise in his head and the other 1 acts like a jerk most times. Be patient and indulge the 1st one and help the other 1 learn some manners. 🙂

            • ThetaBara

              I agree. I fully support all exes and soon to be exes (and questioning still-ins)! If we’re just a bunch of disrespectful jerks, why would they want to come hang out with us?
              Getting in was a process and getting out is a process too. You have to figure it out for yourself. Having a real dialog is incredibly valuable, for that reason.
              Plus, Our Bob is a thoughtful kind of guy. BTW if you want to change your ID you don’t need a new account, you can do it any time you are logged in.

            • Observer

              Hear hear!

            • Poison Ivy

              I feel bad for Real Bob (or “Our Bob” as you referred to him above.) That an OSA plant could just come in here and tarnish his virtual name. Finding a unique avatar could help him.

            • FistOfXenu

              Like LRH with a clown face? Or how about DM performing doing what he likes to talk about most (“SCOHB”)? Or Demented Midget and Toothy Creepiness making out? They’d probably work but I don’t think our Bob is as much of a joker and degrader as that. He might find it obnoxious for personal moral reasons. Or he might have practical objections.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              IXNAY on the LOWNCAY!

              Why are you people obsessed with clowns?
              For christ sakes I am trying to not drink during the week here!

            • FistOfXenu

              Lolness, much lolness. Sorry BTN, it’s just that a clown’s such a great symbol and a way of saying that the best thing to do with somebody is laugh at them and then walk away.

              Okay then, LRH in the dress somebody put him in on Saturday. Better? But it won’t show up very well.

            • FLUNK_101

              Ah, Poison Ivy. It ‘s off topic, but have you heard about this sorority president’s email that has gone viral?
              You’ve got to read the email in its entirety!

              http://gawker.com/5994974/the-most-deranged-sorority-girl-email-you-will-ever-read

            • FistOfXenu

              Sorry Flunk, I know that was meant for PI, but I got curious and read it. So Davey boy is training Sorority girls how to lead their chapters? Because if she didn’t learn from him he’s gonna want lessons from her.

            • FLUNK_101

              LOL, FOX!

            • FistOfXenu

              Maybe Flunk, but she’s got a DM vibe. She abuses people that don’t do what she tells them and cusses them out in especially nasty ways, and she threatens to give them DM style beatings. She has no control of her temper or her tongue and apparently doesn’t see that’s a problem.

              Maybe DM really has those sooper OT powerz and can clone himself. Maybe he secret ambition has always been to be a girl.

            • elar aitch

              inb4 OTVIIIisgrrrrr8 piece on RTC recruiting said sorority leader to ensure command intention is followed in new ferris wheel project

            • Poison Ivy

              YES – in fact I posted it myself here a couple days ago…asking the questions, has COB gone Greek! Personally, I blame Reality TV for this type of tone which I sometimes hear among LittlePoisonIvy’s friends. They’ve learned bullying and over the top mean behavior and have subtley internalized the fact that it works (i.e. makes you famous.) There is some hard research on this as well. Or else, like I said, COB has gone Greek!

            • FLUNK_101

              Fascinating! I knew you would have something interesting say about this.
              This sorority president doesn’t have the leverage that Misacavige has over his minions. As profane as the lady was, I still think she’s a very motivating force and a much more compelling figure than Miscavige. Her focus is intense, and there’s not a word wasted. She actually asks sisters to punch themselves in the face so she doesn’t have to track them down on campus and do it herself. That’s a much clearer statement of intent than the Miscavige “sucker-punch.”
              Bottom line, I like to see people expressing themselves and their personalities!

            • Poison Ivy

              Oh please.

            • Shirley Eugeste
            • stanrogers

              Disqus is huge and global; it’s unlikely that everybody *could* have a unique name anyone could remember or recognise. I mean, once you start talking about a few million people, things get tough, and with tens or hundreds of millions it don’t get any easier, do it?

            • FistOfXenu

              You may be right. But I know not making them us all have different handles is just begging for this kind of trouble.

            • Captain Howdy

              Now that’s a job well done, as well as using your head for something besides a hat rack, as the ole man use to say to me.

            • Sherbet

              Funny, that’s exactly what the guy at the Toronto org is telling Bullwinkle.

            • Sherbet

              Good job, Fist-O. Let’s see if that works (this time).

            • Observer

              Fist-O? You obviously haven’t played Fallout New Vegas! lol

              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXGzTe0NeJo

            • Sherbet

              Woops! I’ll never say that again. Thanks, Observer.

            • Observer

              lol!!

            • FistOfXenu

              Observer, thanks for clearing that up. I didn’t know about that either. When I read it I thought of “Jell-O”. Connects to a completely different set of ideas.

            • aquaclara

              maybe not-real-bob (aka troll74) is also not-real (scary) gayle.

            • Seriously Bob! Just walk out the door and go. Drop your cellphone in the nearest toilet and don’t answer the door.

            • Captain Howdy

              I get the impression Bob is merely pretending he’s still in because he has to, and we all know what the reasons could be. He has been quite scathing in his criticisms of Hubbard, but folks don’t seem to notice.The whole thing has become very tiresome.

            • Sherbet

              Yes, you’re right; when Bob (no 74) says something, there’s often a barrage of criticism for no reason. I like his viewpoint, because he’s still in (or has one foot in, or whatever).

            • DeElizabethan

              Anyone thinking the cult can be changed from within is still choking on sand.

            • Observer

              Specifically, he thinks it’s a protected “rite”. Study Tech in action.

            • VickiStubing

              Be yourself. Everyone else is taken. 😀

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Bob 74….this week or month!

            • FistOfXenu

              “yesterday’s troll”. Sounds like “yesterday’s paper”. Name of a Rolling Stones song I remember.

            • Captain Howdy

              Great song. People should check it out.

            • LOL! But then who would I be? “Gayle Smith, who is Gayle Smith, who is really, truly Gayle Smith or Mom has some ‘splainin’ to do”?

      • richelieu jr

        Squirreliness!

        • Observer

          Squirrel, suppressive and proud!

    • Sherbet

      And, as for TC, there’s a whole lot of badhaircutness.

      • FistOfXenu

        He’s trying to compete with JT’s badcrayonhairness.

        • Sherbet

          No contest there. JT wins. His hair is so bad, it makes the Terl wig look good.

          • FistOfXenu

            True. Maybe he really loves that wig. Maybe it’s to get us all so used to saying “wtf JT!” every time we see his head that when he switches to the wig we’ll all be glad.

            • Sherbet

              And we’ll flock to the theaters when “Battlefield Earth, Part II, in 3D” comes out.

            • FistOfXenu

              That’ll be right. I knew it had to be about money somehow.

            • Ze Moo

              There is room for a Battlefield Earth Part 2. The movie only used the first half of the book. I’d like to set up a crowdsource funding site for this, just to see how many fools there are.

            • Sherbet

              Count me out! I found the movie unwatchable and made it through only about 1/2 hour.

            • Missionary Kid

              Geez. You’re a glutton for punishment. I only made it through 1/4 of that.

            • Sherbet

              My son is a sci fi nerd, and he bailed after an hour.

            • Missionary Kid

              I figure I’ve been reading SF for close to 60 years. After reading Heinlein, Asimov, Dickson, Hebert, etc., shortly after they were published, I have a low tolerance for mediocre written crap – I made it to maybe page 50 of the book, and an even lower tolerance for SF movies. Blade Runner was excellent, I Robot was well within the spirit of Asimov, Dune was, if watched from the beginning, well done. Total Recall’s ending sucked, and Battlefield Earth is one of the few movies that I could only spend about 15 minutes on, and I was watching it free..

              You’ve heard of movies going straight to cable or DVD? BE is one of the few movies that should have gone straight to dumpster.

              At least Attack of the Killer Tomatoes and other bad films are campy. Battlefield Earth, like Co$, has little redeeming value.

              BTW, Star Wars was space opera, but very well done space opera. Star Trek puts us in a framework that is familiar, and at least it tries to ask and answer questions about humanity. B E is poorly done space opera, as retrograde as the serials that used to be played on TV in the 50s, like Flash Gordon, (which was originally filmed in the 30s), but without the charm.

              Your son has stick-to-it-iviness. I don’t any more.

            • We’re talking about the movie here right? The book was good, but the movie sucked donkey cock.

            • Missionary Kid

              The book didn’t suck as much, but it was only about 40 years behind the times in science fiction. It was stuck in, at the best, the 1940s style of writing.

            • FistOfXenu

              Oh hell no! That movie was like it could’ve been straight out of LRH’s horseshit about 36 days of movies to implant people. Anyways $cientarCONon would just write it up as popular demand for even more of Hubbard’s horseshit. You really want to do that? Are you out of your mind? 😛

            • Ze Moo

              Would it not be fun to watch COB make Tom Cruise and John Travolta fund Part 2? That may actually get them out the door….

            • RMycroft
            • Observer

              He looks to be in dire need of a straitjacket and a big old dose of lithium.

            • Exterrier

              What, and go down tone on the Cruisiness Scale?

            • Sherbet

              Skip past the lithium and go right to the thorazine. That’ll stop his cackle. BAM! POW!

            • Observer

              I just can’t believe anyone anywhere thought using footage of Tom Cruise braying like a demented donkey to inspire the troops was a good idea.

            • FistOfXenu

              Really? You sure you’re thinking about the Demented Midgetness, the guy that thinks it’s a good idea to talk to walls? And Toothy Creepiness, the couch mugger?

            • Observer

              It just shows that neither of the Big Beings still in possession of their shrimpy meat sacks have any idea what normal looks like.

            • Sherbet

              You just don’t get it, do you! You’ll have to word clear “POW!” and “WHSHEW!” (with gestures), and then you’ll understand. Or not.

            • Seriously, there need to be warning labels before you post this kind of crap. The clown yesterday was bad enough.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              It was bad even with the warning!

            • Observer

              Now imagine being zoomed in 300% while superimposing an evil clown face over DM’s … good thing I don’t have nightmares.

            • Missionary Kid

              According to Wikipedia, someone overbilled for production costs on BE, then made off with the money. Fraud all around already.

            • Exterrier

              Kind of like the Super Power building? Now who would do a thing like that?

            • Missionary Kid
            • N. Graham

              I think Part 2 would be more appropriately filmed in someone’s backyard with a budget roughly equivalent to Mr. Travolta’s weekly massage bill. You could probably get Barry Pepper back cheap, since Battlefield Earth pretty much wiped out the rest of his career. The rest of the cast could be padded out with all the out-of-work actors of the Celebrity Center such as Bodhi Elfman, Bijou Phillips, Corin Nemec, Haywood Nelson, and the rest. COB could come out of retirement and help direct. “Dead world” scenes could be shot at the various Ideal Orgs. Special effects could be done by the children of the Sea Org by coloring on the actual film stock. Even with all these shortcuts, it would probably still be a better film than Part I, which was monumentally The Worst Film of Two Millenniums!

            • Sherbet

              Laughing….sounds like a good plan, but if Forrest Whittaker signs up again, I’m out of his fan club toute suite.

            • FistOfXenu

              His weekly massage bill? Is that with or without the out of court settlements?

    • Ze Moo

      The 10 KSW ‘principles’ are Lrons blovaiting rules to brainwashing. They all boil down to calling the brainwashing ‘tech’ and worshiping it. You can tell a ‘penny a word’ writer came up with them. Lrooon was severely over paid.

    • “Bullshitingness”

      • aquaclara

        word of the week.

    • ThetaBara

      What about Acquisitiveness?
      Gettingness
      Takingness
      Boringness
      and my favorite:
      BULLSHITNESS!

      • FistOfXenu

        Hubbard’s 10 horse droppingsness is the definition of acquisitiveness.

        MAKE MONEY etc

    • Missionary Kid

      I can summarize all ten in one phrase: You’re fucked, we’re not.

      • Roger Larsson

        If it’s possible to make a nothingness not only to a somethingness but even to an everythingness the nothingness is still a nothingness. It’s funny how only the knowingness has the power to change lives, the power to make people to better persons

        • FistOfXenu

          But only if the knowingness has personness?

        • Missionary Kid

          You almost lost me, because I’m a wog, but I figured it out.
          Are you a Svenska Poika?

    • Spackle Motion

      That reminds me….has anyone seen ‘ness ness’ around here lately?

      • sketto

        No, but I stepped in a pile of Miscavigeness on the way here. Does that count?

    • nessness

      nessness – the most important of the non knowingness

  • sugarplumfairy

    “we’d rather have you dead than incapable..” after your bank account is cleared, of course..

    • Cheques were still being written on Lisa’s account after she was dead.

      Andrew

      • Observer

        I wish I could say I’m surprised. There is no depth to which The Most Ethical People On the Planet will not stoop.

      • sugarplumfairy

        poor Lisa.. I wish she’d had an advocate, or at least a true caregiver at her side.. just one truly caring individual in that situation could have made a world of difference.. How astounding is it that right at the apex of the most ethical group on the planet, a single caring person could not be found to care for Lisa.. but they took good care of her checkbook..

      • Still_On_Your_Side

        By the cult? Did they make her pay for the hotel room?

        • Scientologists are fond of the Fifth Amendment……

          […]

          VOICE (sounds like Ken Dandar):
          Did you ever write any checks out of Lisa McPherson’s checking account?

          CRUZ (Gloria Cruz):
          On the advice of counsel, and relying on my fifth amendment privilege
          against self-incrimination, I respectfully decline to answer.

          […]

          VOICE:
          Do know if Kurt Paine ever wrote any checks out of Lisa McPherson’s
          checking account?

          CRUZ:
          On the advice of counsel, and relying on my fifth amendment privelege
          against self-incrimination, I respectfully decline to answer.

          […]

          from ‘Scientology Vampires’:

          http://www.lermanet.com/persecution/vampires.html

          Andrew

          • If coins had been left on Lisa’s eyes as payment to Charon to ferry her soul across the river Styx, the Scientologists would have stolen them too.

            Andrew

    • BuryTheNuts2

      SPF, send me an e-mail at BurytheNuts@gmail.com when you can.
      I need a couple of pieces of info to finish TNMTC’s bracelet and ship it to her.

      • sugarplumfairy

        I’m at work right now, but I will as soon as I get home tonight.. In the meantime, please continue sarcasmness..

        • BuryTheNuts2

          No problem. It is what I keep sustaining my meat sack for!

          • FistOfXenu

            I never hear “meat sack” without thinking of Men In Black.

            • Ze Moo

              I thought it came from Futurama??

            • FistOfXenu

              I think the giant roach says it to (not alias) Smith and Jones. Or maybe when the roach grabs the city undertaker and Smith’s telling her it’s going to be okay? I need to watch the video again.

      • hogarthian

        And here’s me thinking I was as embedded into the bunker as an embedded person can be, but I think there’s a foolish question coming up. Do you make bracelets? Or is that an in-joke that I should be aware of?… I’m still a toddler here remember 😉

        • BuryTheNuts2

          Yeah, Jewelry making is a hobby/side job.
          And it satisfies my shiny object fixation.

          I am testing an “SP” bracelet on TNMTC.

          • hogarthian

            Ok Magpie…. knock yourself out!

          • Ooooooh, shiny.

          • hogarthian

            Or ‘jewellery’, even? 😉

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Only when I ship it to the UK 😉

              Here in the USA it is just Jewelry!

            • hogarthian

              🙂

    • FistOfXenu

      Sure. If you’re incapable you can’t MAKE MONEY, MAKE MORE MONEY AND MAKE OTHERS MAKE MONEY. What good are you then?

    • Roger Larsson

      It’s a bullet in the gun the robber Ron Hubbard pointed on pre-clears. “Your money or future lives in the mud?”

    • Ms. B. Haven

      Another way of saying this might be: “Your money or your life?”

      Co$, “We’ll take both”

      • 1subgenius

        “Your money or your life”

        Jack Benny: “I’m thinking. I’m thinking.”

        • Bella Legosi

          rofl! oh that just made my day!

          • Bella Legosi

            Kinda off topic but watched Gunga Din last night. But where Cary Grant disrupts the cult so Gunga could go tell the troop where the Thugs were, was perfect (then I believe Cary Grant is one of the best actors ever!). I sat there and thought, goddamn I wish this would happen to Little Boots!

            Crap was gonna link the scene but can’t find it and am running out of patience and coffee. Oh well, for those that haven’t seen Gunga Din, shame on you >P go watch it damn it. And for those that have maybe ya understand!

  • this bend oregon case is VERY interesting to me. i have a “close friend” who works for a small tech company. this company is now doing business with THREE different wise companies. His office is turning into an org and the owners have NO IDEA. I am not even sure how I smelled the rat, oh I remember now … one day he said his boss said in a meeting; “if it isnt written it isn’t true”. I was like WAIT A MINUTE!

    • Ms. B. Haven

      After you have been “in”, you can usually detect these sleaze bags even without hearing these nifty little catch phrases. The spousal-unit recently started a small home based business. All of a sudden there are tons of solicitations from various companies wanting to do business. The ‘wise’ stuff sets off the scam-alert-red-flags instantly. All it takes is a couple of quick google searches and sure enough you have a genuine member of ‘Weasely Institute of Sleazy Enterprizes’ proudly hiding as a front group claiming no affiliation with scientology whatsoever.

      • Missionary Kid

        Hey, Ron Weasley and his family would resent that (ref. Harry Potter). 😉

        • I was just about to say the same thing. Not even Percy would sink that low. That’s a Malfoy tactic, thank you very much.

  • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

    An American Jew is on a two week trip to Jerusalem. He goes to the Western Wall and asks God for peace in the mideast. Then, he reads the newspaper. There has been another suicide bombing. He returns to the Western Wall the next day, asks God for peace again, but later that day a Palestinian in the West Bank is shot by an Israeli soldier. He returns to the Western Wall each day of his trip and continues to ask God for peace. When he returns to the U.S. a friend asks him how things went with his prayers for peace at the holiest Jewish monument. He responds, “It was like talking to a wall”.

    Scientologist lurkers won’t get that.

    • FistOfXenu

      You degraded joker you!

  • 10oriocookies

    I dont like her videos. I did like the Star Wars sounding background music though.

    • hogarthian

      I don’t either, at all, I was being ‘generous of spirit’, which always leaves me feeling dissatisfied. So I’ll tell you what I was *really* thinking…. any person who can comfortably walk around thinking it’s ok to have done what she has done to their face is kidding herself about a lot of things, so you can bet your boots she’s kidding you too.

      • 1subgenius

        About what?

        • hogarthian

          About everything scientology related that she still believes in.

    • Spackle Motion

      I’m on the fence with these videos. They are a good record of the abuses and the cult’s undue influence methodology, but Karen is an unintentional comical figure with the fake Navy costume.

      I do like that she employed AGP to make these videos, and I like his style of editing (which seems to be getting smoother as we go along). I hope that we see more of the varied topics and recently out.

      • grundoon

        The cringeworthy comical fake Navy dress-up is L. Ron Hubbard’s idea – not Karen’s. Likewise the roles and situations. It may be the unsettling realism of Karen’s portrayal that provokes your quite appropriate nervous laughter. In real life these scenes are only witnessed by the very deeply indoctrinated.

        • Spackle Motion

          Yes, I know that the fake Navy uniforms were actually worn at one point but it is my understanding that they are no longer used (there may be rare exceptions). I believe the REAL Navy has a problem with people wearing those uniforms as it is illegal to wear attire that resembles military attire unless you are using it for filming purposes (and there are sometimes restrictions on that too).

          My point was that she looks silly in the uniform and if it isn’t used today, she shouldn’t be wearing it.

    • Sherbet

      I’m glad AGP has found a paying gig (I’m assuming he’s being paid!), but I can’t get comfortable with Karen knowing she’s still a Daydream Believer (apologies to the Monkees, but it seems an appropriate title for someone who’s still “in” but thinks he/she isn’t).

      • I guess Scientologists believe in plastic surgery.

        • i-Betty

          Unworthy.

    • 10oriocookies

      Im replying to myself….why? I dont know, but i am. The part i dont like is that she reminds me of a cross of Mike Rinder and one of the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. Bad acting and delusional. I like that she is speaking up, but how can you speak up if you still have a mouth full of Kool-Aid?

      • Sherbet

        I cut her lots of slack because she’s a grieving mother and full of anger about it. She needs time and comfort and not criticism, and I sincerely hope she leaves lrh behind someday. She seems like a sweet woman.

        • 1subgenius

          Slack from me, too. She’s doing something.

          • Sherbet

            Yup. I just can’t watch the videos anymore.

            • Sidney18511

              She bought her navy duds at an army and navy store and I guess she wants to get some use out of them. She is at her best when she is just herself, talking to the camera and tearing the COS a new butthole.

        • Bob

          Yes she has much to grieve about. She is not a good actor but her scripts are accurate. She presents real scenarios that are going on as we speak. Hard to watch her acting but she knows what she is talking about.

          • ThetaBara

            I find the content hard to watch, too. I think getting out is a process and requires patience. Her taking action like this is commendable.

          • Bob, all joking aside, you can leave any time you want. Just walk out the front and don’t look back.

            • Captain Howdy

              And what if he has family members in the cult that are still true believers?

            • Bob

              Thanks Gayle. I am much more useful where I am. I walked out the door quite awhile ago. But no one else in my vicinity knows it.

            • Congrats! And good luck!

        • Still_On_Your_Side

          I absolutely agree with you. Anyone who has the courage to take on the cult should not be criticized for their looks.

          • hogarthian

            I wasn’t in any way criticising her looks. I drew attention to them by highlighting the similarities between how she chooses to look and what she chooses to believe. You will never hear me criticise a womans looks, ever. How she looks is her business.

      • N. Graham

        I like her. I think her campy demeanor adds to the charm. And she gets the point across exceptionally well, IMO. I feel more knowledgeable about regging.

        • sugarplumfairy

          Me too.. And I hope that someday she sees the light about the tech..

      • Bella Legosi

        🙂 Nice discussion you started here! I love it. I completely understand what you are saying. I am of the opinion that there is nothing new and enlightening in anything Hub put out there. I shall listen to the vids and take in what is being said, but at the end of it all I have to ask myself, Is this person an independent, and if I decide, yes, then I have to take what I have heard with a grain of salt. Kool Aid is Kool Aid whether lemon-aid flavored or cherry. Difference being is how much sugar is being put in to make the person like to drink it. I find I watch Tory more so then any other ex. But, great job, again, with the comment. I love seeing discussions born out of just one comment. And I always reply to myself lol but most times I am just lazy and feel not like editing my words and other times I don’t mind if my replys show that I am virtually talking to myself while in the thrusts of an ADD moment!

        • Sidney18511

          I have come to the conclusion that the people who land in the freezone and independent movement are the ones who can not face the fact that they were scammed and used as fools by the Hubster. In other words………they can’t handle the truth.

          • Bella Legosi

            Yeah I feel that way too. And that also I can understand. I haven’t took in religious kool aid, but did gulp the NWO stuff and I find that I still see Nazis in the midst, IRS being an evil entity, Rockafellers being the ones to rule the world while the Rothschilds sit back and laugh at us all…….but in the past year I have tried my hardest not to believe that. It takes you down the same damn road of insanity. But the kick in the ass is listening to Alex Jones now a days. All I have to do is go to his site and feel like a dipshit.

          • FistOfXenu

            This looks like just the right place to post this link again. It says 8 steps but it’s expanded to 10. Worth a read and worth a look for anybody coming out of the cult and anybody that’s been on their way out a while and is wondering where they are right now.

            http://www.lermanet.com/cos/8steps.html

            I’d love to see Tony get Arnie Lerma or Jon Atack or somebody or maybe a few all together to talk about it 1 day.

      • aquaclara

        Here’s what I think the videos do very well….for those in, and for those never in (which includes the media, too), the videos fill a huge void and help translate and connect all this hubbardy-dubbarty nonsense into something quite real. It is also readily apparent that the Scientologist controls the conversation, seemingly nice at first, and then into something that should make someone say WTF.
        Every written or recorded story makes it all much more visible, getting Scientology out from their hidey-hole.
        I recall all those years in Clearwater where the only comments that got out about the cult were rumors and rightfully hysterical parents trying to get their kids out of the Ft. Harrison. It was ineffective, of course. That closed set is what allowed Lisa McPherson to be locked away. And it’s still pretty hush-hush down there and elsewhere, because the damn cult makes it so impossible for those “in” to speak up.
        Just as the Brian Wiiliams special helped (nice job there, btw), and all the tremendous reading this year, plus the daily content showcased here on the Bunker every day, so do the vids.
        Just my opinion. Sorry for the rant.
        PS Hoping you have a book in you, too, my friend! There are more stories to tell.

      • grundoon

        It could be that Karen actually played out some of these scenes for real when she was in the cult, and now repeats the scene for the camera.

    • Jefferson Hawkins

      I think Karen is doing a great service with these videos. If someone could sneak a camera into an actual Ethics Officer interview, that would be better, but lacking that, a reenactment is the next best thing. And if you think they are corny, I assure you, the actual interview would be much cornier! These reenactments shine another light on the inner workings of Scientology. It takes someone who was on the receiving end of these things to portray them with any accuracy, and I think Karen, even though she was never an Ethics Officer or a Reg, does a good job of getting into the part and saying the things they would likely say. Their real value is with Scientologists who are “on the fence” – it gives them a fresh look at how ridiculous these typical Scientology interviews are. Karen has done a lot to expose the hypocrisy and abuse of Scientology and I say more power to her.

      • 10oriocookies

        Reason i dont like them is i have been through those interviews and handlings and there is something off on her presentation. Other reason is that those same policies written by L Con are still on her “i believe” list from what i have seen. I just dont see how she can still believe in the tech when at its very core are lies and abuses.

        • FistOfXenu

          Is it because she’s self-conscious? Not delivering it with command intention?

        • hogarthian

          Yup. Thank you.

      • hogarthian

        Yes, of course, they may do a good job with sci’s that are ‘on the fence’…. but they will do absolutely *NOTHING* for wogs… and it’s the wogs that are going to publicise it.

  • Sherbet

    Has MidwestMom been around?

    • Spackle Motion

      I saw her a couple of days ago.

      • Sherbet

        OK. You know us Bunkerites; we look out for one another.

  • Well, so much for “If it’s true for you it’s true for you!”

    The existence of KSW proves that the name of Scientology is a misnomer. Where existing theories cannot be questioned or falsifiable tested, where there can be no news theories and innovation, there is no science – just dogma.

    If KSW had been applied to the automobile industry we’d still be driving Model T’s.

    • FistOfXenu

      Broken ones.

      • Observer

        Ones we’d have to shell out thousands to replace when all the semicolons in the owner’s manual are taken out.

        • FistOfXenu

          Lol. And after we replace them we’d have to pay for them over and over again because they’d break down every time Henry Ford’s successor decided we were Bad Owners.
          And they STILL wouldn’t work

        • FistOfXenu

          We’d all have to explain to people “yeah these cars can do totally amazing things but we can’t show you because just seeing what amazing things they can do would enturbulate you so much you might go crazy or die or something”

          But we’d have our own magazine where we described the amazing trip we took from NYC to LA and back in only 4 hours because we had to attend the movie premier of a Big Bean. And we went so fast we could stop to rearrange the furniture of some of our friends.

      • No, the Standard Model T’s are 100 percent reliable, except when the driver or someone he knows is a Supressive Person.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      The most ethical Model Ts on the planet, however.

      • Still_On_Your_Side

        Spelled “Edsel.” (A 1950s car that was a historic flop.)

        • FistOfXenu

          Hey! I had an Edsel. Loved it. Gave me something to do on weekends.

  • California

    This is fascinating….. Keep it up, please.

    • Sherbet

      I was just about to post the same thing. Claire makes it all so (ahem) clear, especially with Tony’s questions. I understand so much more than I did from just reading about scn.

  • Hilarious, Karen and AGP! Keep up the good work.

  • 0tessa

    Well, I’d rather be dead than having to brainwash myself against a wall …

  • California

    Want to have a long and large laugh? On Yahoo! Answers is the following question: Scientologists; how can one donate to Narconon’s legal defense? http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20130423193443AALX5gY

    The answers are a hoot!

    • aquaclara

      Funny! and of course, then there’s the shout out to Tony and the Bunker:
      Scientologists, how can one donate to Narconon’s legal defense?
      “It’s easy.
      Go to the web site called “ortega underground” scroll down and look for the donation button. Voila! You’ve just helped deal with the Narconon problem..”
      ^^^ for whoever posted that one!

    • Observer

      The most recent (not left by me):

      “It’s easy.
      Go to the web site called “ortega underground” scroll down and look for the donation button. Voila! You’ve just helped deal with the Narconon problem.”

    • i-Betty

      So funny. I love ordinary, regular people who have no truck with BS 🙂

  • Um …not to be a nudge but does someone here owe me some shots for calling it on Bob being a fake ? 😉 I had a tickle about that guy ~ wish i was not so cynical but that is what booze is for i guess ~

    • Sherbet

      I still think Bob and Bob74 are two different people.

      • BuryTheNuts2

        They were “bobbing” like fuckin apples for awhile!

        • Sherbet

          Note to “our” Bob — Consider changing your name!

    • Bob

      Yes Bob74 appears to be a plant. At first he somehow was just plain Bob which is not suppose to happen where two people have the exact same moniker. Then that somehow stopped. But some commenters were pretty nonplussed until they realized there were two Bobs. I have been pretty busy so not able to post much. Some mighty good articles lately. Bob74 is the first troll I have seen in sometime.

      • hogarthian

        Bob! Thank god. 😉

      • ThetaBara

        I KNEW it wasn’t you! But somehow they convinced me (and I was bummed). B74 is defo a troll. Glad to see you back. That must have been annoying!

        • Bob

          Thanks ThetaB, not annoying surprising. I was gone for a few days and then came back and I am now a troll. It’s not the first time I was accused of that. But not for awhile. But Bob74 is an interesting kind of Troll. Was he on today? I would like to talk with him.

      • Bella Legosi

        Glad to see ya Bob 🙂

        • Bob

          Thanks BL, been really busy. But missed posting with you all.

          • Bella Legosi

            We are a fun bunch! 🙂 That is why I got myself a disqus account and got serious about posting. I love the bunker. Glad you stuck around. Been sparse comment wise lately but yeah 🙂

          • hogarthian

            Awwwwww Bob!… have you REALLY though?! If you’re as quasi-smart as you come across as being, then you should have covered your tracks well, internet wise. So, maybe you should go public about a little more? Are you in? Almost in? Nearly out? You should know by now (really well) that if you’re on your way out you have lots of support here, and everywhere. If your family chooses not to communicate with you it doesn’t make it your fault. Look at it this way…. if you choose to get out and come out, when your time is up and your taking your last breaths, you will know that you did the right thing, you were honest. Keeping up the facade is doing you, or anyone else, no good. 😉

      • The Dark Avenger

        That’s going to be a bit confusing. Mind if we call you Bruce?

    • BuryTheNuts2

      False alarm Kim….Disqus did indeed allow two different Bob’s! Plus Bob74.
      Our Bob is still our Bob.

      Edit….but I would happily buy you shots!

      • sweet ! I am still reserving my tickle for both Bobs though …

    • hogarthian

      Oi!!! you had a fellow doubting Thomas in me!… except of course it appears that you were wrong (which means I’m wrong too), except that you still smell a rat (and I do too), which means that we could still both be right. I suppose? 😉

      • i say we go with our premise that were right 😉

        • Captain Howdy

          Kim, the proof is in FoX’s screen shot’s. Case closed.

          • hogarthian

            What screen shots? point me in the right direction.

  • Jefferson Hawkins

    The key point of Keeping Scientology Working is that it introduces, for the first time, the major thought-stopping mechanism of Scientology, which is the idea that if something in Scientology “does not work,” it is NEVER the fault of the Founder or the tech, it is ALWAYS the fault of the individual, a failure to correctly apply the technology.

    In KSW, Hubbard gives the proper response to anyone asserting that the “tech” does not work: “This would have begun this way. Auditor B: ‘That Process X didn’t work.’ Instructor A: ‘What exactly did YOU do wrong.’ Instant attack.”

    Anyone who challenges the workability of the tech is subject to instant attack. “It didn’t work? That’s YOUR fault.” And all of the Scientology mechanisms go into place – word clearing, cramming, disagreement checks, ethics, Security Checks — until the person “realizes” that the tech was perfect all along and it was his PERSONAL failure that caused it not to work.

    Steve Hassan, in his book Combatting Cult Mind Control, points out that this is common to all cults. “Since the doctrine is perfect and the leader is perfect, any problem that crops up is assumed to be the fault of the individual member. He learns to blame himself and work harder.”

    With this sort of “logic,” one could “prove” that anything works. “You can’t contact spirits with your ouija board? Well you’re not doing it right!” Yet even after leaving the Church, many Scientologists carry on this thinking. If they apply some bit of tech and it works, well, that proves that Hubbard was right and the tech always works. If they try some bit of tech and it fails, well, they were doing it wrong. Obviously. Because it always works when you do it right. So they will tell you in all seriousness that they KNOW, from personal experience, that the tech always works. Because they have chalked up all the times it didn’t as PERSONAL failures.

    • TonyOrtega

      Great post. Thank you, Jeff.

    • Sherbet

      Well said, JH. I might add that that’s the inherent problem with some self-help therapies, where a person who is hurting badly tries to wrest himself from his problems using the latest therapy-of-the-month, and, when it doesn’t work, he blames himself. And it’s a vicious circle, because blame = guilt = depression, and it keeps on going. In the case of scn, the circle is even more vicious than anyone could imagine, because there’s a chorus of “experts” telling the person that it is, indeed, his own fault that he’s a failure, because the therapy is faultless.

      • Missionary Kid

        In good therapy, the most important person is the patient. In bad, the theory, the person running it, or the organization.

    • Missionary Kid

      Exactly. The game is rigged for anyone who questions dogma to shoot themselves in the foot.

      • FistOfXenu

        Just like $cientarCONon does when they meet the real world.

        • Missionary Kid

          Yup. They’ve convinced themselves only they have rightness and truthiness and are the most moral people in the world.
          Zombie thinking.

          • Bella Legosi

            I wish I could hit the up button 10x cuz that is so freaking true!

            • Missionary Kid

              Occasionally shit comes out of my mouth or from my writing that I later realize is profound or gets to the essence of things.
              You pointed it out, I’m putting it in my collection.
              Thanks.

            • Bella Legosi

              ah you are very welcome. In my mind wisdom is free. I just wish a majority of people out there would come to the same conclusion.

            • hogarthian

              Wisdom may well be free Bella… but it ain’t homogenous, that’s for sure.

            • Bella Legosi

              amen!

    • Truthiwant

      Hubbard indoctrinates this idea from the first day that somebody enters Scientology. Vital to this is an immediate win from the new member. From there on it is a matter of controlling and conditioning that individual and selling him the ‘belief’ of Scientology. That first win gives you trust and from there on it is much easier to convince the individual that ‘you’ are wrong and ‘Hubbard’ is right.

      In the end it is a sales technique very similar to an insurance salesman that convinces you that you HAVE to buy this policy else you will be in constant danger and peril and risk losing everything. The saddest thing about Scientology is that it is a bogus policy.

    • aquaclara

      with this, I’m surprised more people don’t crack up before they feel they can extricate themselves out of the cult. Sick, sick, sick.
      Deeply appreciate the insights, Jeff.

    • Ms. B. Haven

      Very well said Mr. Hawkins. I can’t remember if we had KSW on the checksheet for the HQS Course (covered last week by Claire) in the 70s but it was most definitely part of the Student Hat course mentioned today. For me, the hook was set on the HQS Course and your explanation makes perfect sense in hindsight.

      I did the HQS Course and liked most of it. A few red flags were waving gently in the breeze, but for the most part I was having fun and the processes worked or seemed to work well enough to make most of us on the course feel better. We were winning. I considered myself a scientologist by the time I finished the HQS Course. So, the next course in the line-up was Student Hat. The first bulletin to read and get checked out on was KSW. This slammed home the seriousness of scientology. By this time I WANTED to be on board with this stuff because this is where the ‘big boys and girls’ were really getting down to the meat of the matter. By doing the Student Hat, I would be able to easily study the subsequent courses and understand them. Student Hat was the first time one got to listen to some of Hubbard’s lectures from the St. Hill days. That was about as close as one could get to the Founder. Once one accepts this material as gospel, you have convinced yourself that any failures you experience are strictly your fault.

      The truth, from my viewpoint anyway, is that some of the processes in scientology work (to some degree) on some people some of the time. None of the processes work on all of the people all of the time. If there wasn’t at least some degree of workability, no one would stick around in the beginning. It is a clever but deadly trap. But, that is the nature of traps, One can get out of the trap, but once one has entered the self-imposed prison of belief, it is a torturous path no matter what route you take. On the bright side, that escape is a path of self-discovery and if you bother to take the time to learn some lessons from your mistakes, life can once again be a beautiful thing. On the dark side, there are few mistakes one can make that are as harmful to yourself and others as scientology. You have to cut yourself a tremendous amount of slack and not succumb to your own negativity or you will wind up like Flunk’s friend. That negativity is much better being transformed into something positive like exposing the sinister trap that is scientology and helping others avoid it.

  • Ze Moo

    Toronto mOrg assigns ‘donation’ amounts to members.

    “So what exactly is a Completion Donation? In order to get this project done, we reviewed everyone’s donation status, their perceived potential and any other data we had to hand and set a final amount for each person to achieve.”

    http://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=215741&start=270

    • Captain Howdy

      It means they have all the clams financial info and they’re telling them exactly how much dough to cough up or else. Hey, isn’t that called “extortion” or something?

      And now that they’ve kidnapped Bullwinkle.. I’m angry, REALLY ANGRY! Homo saps are one thing, but beloved childhood cartoon characters are something I actually care about!

      • Sherbet

        Well, you didn’t expect them to kidnap Rocky the Flying SQUIRREL, did you?

        • Captain Howdy

          They’re holding Bullwinkle hostage waiting for Rocky to come to his rescue and when he does “BAM” they drop the thetan catcher electronic net on him.

          • Sherbet

            I’m picturing the Squirrel Busters, with their T-shirts and camera hats, waiting for Rocky to make an appearance in the skies over Toronto. (“I’m angry, REALLY ANGRY!” Oh, Howdy, you’re such a hoot! Wouldn’t it be funny if Tommy D trademarked that phrase?)

          • Ze Moo

            The metal munching moon mice will protect Rocky! June Allison (voice of Rocky) is/was much nicer then Bart Simpson’s voice.

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yq9YC9K-P84

            • Captain Howdy

              Sorry Ze Moo, movie legend June Allison wasn’t the voice of Rocky.It was a voice artist named June Foray. Thanks for the episode though.

            • John P.

              June Foray is one of the most versatile voice artists in Hollywood. She also did the voice of Grandma in the Tweety Bird cartoons, among countless others, in a career that spans nearly 75 years; she’s still working at age 95. A friend of mine is an animation historian and thinks she’s the greatest female voice artist of all time. She also happens to be the oldest Emmy winner in history, winning last year at age 94.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Will you be my trivial pursuit teammate?

            • Captain Howdy

              Happy to hear she’s still kicking and working. I owe her many a laugh.

            • Ze Moo

              June Foray and most of the Rocky and Bullwinkle show writers and producers were/are proud Canadians.

            • grundoon
            • Douglas D. Douglas

              Oh dear. That was (is) June Foray, not Allyson, who voiced Rocky. Still alive and kickin’ in her 90s!

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              Oh. I see others have already weighed in on this with ALACRITY…

      • Bella Legosi

        But Captian, if North Korea can use childhood animal characters, surely Co$ can do it also! I mean imagine if you had a dude dress up as an ashtray or wall……the kids would laugh and all that study tech would be ruined! 🙂

        • Captain Howdy

          Don’t tell me Kim Jong-un is messing with Beany and Cecil?

          • Bella Legosi

            Captain SHHHHHH dont give that fuckhead ideas!

          • Observer

            Noooo! I used to take my afternoon snack to kindergarten in a Beany and Cecil lunchbox!

            • Captain Howdy

              Me too!

    • Again with the dress-up? Somehow Halloween 365 days a year doesn’t seem commensurate with the mission of clearing the planet.

      • grundoon

        Yes, Scientologists will wear wacky and/or degrading outfits 366 days a year if so ordered. They are that committed!

    • BosonStark

      This is just, I was going to say bizarre or unbelievable, but it’s Scientology, right? How could this not freak people out! …Reviewed your “perceived potential” and “set a final amount” for each person?

      CoS has your Final Solution. They know your net worth better than you do.

      • Missionary Kid

        To them, net worth isn’t as important as borrowing potential.

      • Bella Legosi

        I have been telling people if they really want to know the state of their finances walk into an Org and sign up for some classes. That statement alone really gets people to think and also serves as a warning NOT to take any course, like communication.

    • John P.

      Recall that Canadians are way more polite than most other Americans. It probably has to do with the 11-month long winters, where they have to cooperate to survive the harsh winters in the huts in their small villages like Toronto or Montreal. So if we bear that idea in mind, it’s easy to translate the above excessively polite statement from Canadian into regular American: “They gave us hard-assed proof of exactly how much money they had and now they have given it all to us. So they are marked as ‘Complete’ on the Bridge to Total Bankruptcy.”

    • grundoon

      “Completion Status” is the stupidest fundraising brainstorm ever. They are foolishly telling the rubes that they have finished donating and no further donations will be required. From now on, these donors will feel like they can just blow off the regs by saying,”I already made my Completion Donation, attained my target for the agreed amount, and was awarded Completion Status in front of the whole org. I’m done! Now get off my lines and don’t call back.” The genius who thought this up, better start packing for the RPF.

  • BosonStark

    This Oregon employee may end up with $100,000+ (after the attorneys get their cut), but according to Hubbard, she will have lost her eternity and will spend the next trillion years, shivering in darkness without Sciloontology’s training on the hard sell.

    Gee, I hope more employees who are forced to go through cultWISE exposure get wind of this. She was threatened with being fired, if she didn’t get the brainwashing.

    • Missionary Kid

      Gimme $100,000, and I’ll gladly give up any eternity in a fake world.

      • Captain Howdy

        Give me a $100,000 grand and I’d gladly send TC to oblivion.

        P.S- J/K’ing Jensting.

        • Missionary Kid

          I’m careful about what I post.
          Glad you’re joking.

    • Bella Legosi

      I love my state!

  • You kids! Back in my day we did KSW as the very first thing on the very first course, just like LRH said! None of this wishy-washy “gentle gradient” panty-waisted bullshit! We got thrown into the deep end right out of the gate, win or die in the attempt! Kids these days, they got it easy…

    • Captain Howdy

      Reminds me of the Far Side cartoon where Grandpa is lecturing the kids about how hard it was to get drugs in his day…”we use to have walk 20 miles barefoot through the snow to get high”

  • It repeats the words to a win, or it gets the wall again.

  • Bella Legosi

    These step for KSW are exactly what my boss was telling (lack for a better word) the clients in her home. Christ, I really wished I knew a 10th of what I know now, back then.

  • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

    —————————————– URGENT EMERGENCY COMM FROM RTC ————————–

    We in RTC have just read a KR informing us of a new attack upon the Church of Scientology.

    The website quickmeme.com has, apparently, a new meme called Bad Teeth Scientology Guy.

    This meme is more criminal joking and degrading against Scientology. This meme, and there are more of them, is not funny:

    http://i1284.photobucket.com/albums/a563/OTVIIIisGrrr8/BTSG_zpsa2a7d99c.png

    • OTVIIIisGrrr8!
      • BuryTheNuts2

        TMI! TMI!

      • Captain Howdy

        more like ‘I just gave away all the money I had saved to get my teeth fixed to a demented midget..please blew my brains out”

        • FistOfXenu

          NO! Just your teeth. You don’t need teeth to eat rice and beans.

      • hogarthian

        Ahhhh…. those teeth…. I’m so pleased to see another Brit, it’s nice to have company 😉

  • Mary_McConnell

    Great stuff! Thank you Tony, Claire, and Karen#1 for such good and important information.

    And thanks to victim Susan Muhleman and Oregon DOL Commissioner Brad Avakian for doing what is right in the case of that Scientology front group member.

  • TonyOrtega

    NEW POST UP! More Garcia fraud lawsuit dox!

  • Bruce

    Every time I start talking to a wall, my wife punches me in the head. I must be doing it wrong.

    • grundoon

      She is doing it right.

  • DeElizabethan

    Clarie “To be clear, I am not someone who believes everything was great with Scientology until Miscavige took over.”

    Thank you, it wasn’t at all.

  • Shirley Eugeste

    I’m really late to the party… but can anyone tell me: why don’t the KSW-chanters have a major problem with the amount of Miscavige they’re getting with their Hubbard? Were these the same “ten points” drilled into Hubbard-era Scientologists? Does “correct” now mean “as corrected by David Miscavige, who was never asked or appointed by LHR to ‘correct’ or otherwise alter in any way ANY part of the tech whatsoever”? I was under the impression that in his own commentaries on his writings, Hubbard warned against any future additions or alterations. Why don’t Miscavige’s additions (and, for all I know, subtractions) and alterations count?