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Xenu the The Movie Star! When Scientology Almost Revealed Its Secrets on the Big Screen

HailXenuLast week, we asked Scientology historian Jon Atack about OT III, the most important step on L. Ron Hubbard’s “Bridge to Total Freedom.” That got us talking about Xenu the Galactic Overlord, and Atack confirmed for us that this wild space opera tale was always meant to be taken literally by church members (at least, those who had spent enough money to reach OT III). This week, we’re continuing our conversation as Jon helps us sift through the legends, myths, and contested facts that tend to get hashed and rehashed in books, articles, and especially on the Internet — a project we call “Scientology Mythbusting.”

Jon, recently we’ve come to the understanding that what is shocking for some people who reach OT III is not the content itself — many of them have been spending years “remembering” their own million-year-old space opera tales during “whole track” auditing. Instead, what surprises them is that everything they’ve experienced up to that point has come from their own experiences, memories, and self-discovery. OT III is the first time that Hubbard tells them to accept his version of galactic history. Why did he do this, do you think?

JON: It breaches the Auditor’s Code, which says ‘Never evaluate for a preclear.’ Notice the use of the word ‘never.’ Though, of course, suggesting to people that they have ‘engrams’ is also evaluative, but not on such a grand scale.
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Hubbard spent a long time working with the OT III ‘incident.’ He not only wrote OT III, and a variety of supporting material for the Class VIII course, having said that exposure to the incident would cause death in a matter of days, he cheerfully wrote a screenplay based on it, which he called ‘Revolt in the Stars.’ If we follow his logic, his intention in writing it was to produce a film that, if shown to the world, would kill off the non-OT III part of the population. John Travolta still longs to bring this revelation to a beleaguered humanity. I believe that Travolta actually stopped on the Bridge at this level some thirty years ago. He may have since done another OT level, but he stayed put for a long time, indicating that he was unsure about the remaining upper levels (the goal of Scientology, let’s face it). Another famous Scientologist who is stuck on the Bridge is David Miscavige.

Anyway, In the script Hubbard wrote for the movie, the character ‘Rawl’ (clearly based on Hubbard himself) takes on the might of various two-dimensional characters with single syllable names (‘Chi’ and ‘Min’) who have wandered out of an episode of Flash Gordon. Even though moviegoers will be stricken as they watch, Hubbard rolled out the whole saga.

THE BUNKER: We’ll interrupt you there to confirm that there’s photographic proof that John Travolta seemed engrossed by the OT III materials…

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If you squint, you can see the “OT III” notation on his folder. As for “Revolt in the Stars,” Atack says he has somewhere in his possession a version that is actually in script format, with indications that it’s a third version of the story and rewritten by Hubbard’s daughter, Suzette. But the only copies we could find online are in novella form, and contain gems like this…

RITSExcerpt

The 1930s serials feel really comes off the page, doesn’t it?

Hubbard wrote it in 1977 while he was holed up in Sparks, Nevada, hiding after the FBI raided Scientology offices in Washington D.C. and Los Angeles that July. Star Wars had hit theaters in May, and it must have provoked some kind of reaction in Hubbard to see space opera, his old genre, become the subject of the hottest (and most lucrative) movie in the land. Was “Revolt” his attempt to cash in, by hastily building a script around material he’d written for OT III ten years earlier? Hubbard apparently had ambitions of making the movie himself, and after relocating to a ranch in the Palm Springs area, began making small “tech” films to develop a crew. (His chief cameraman was a young David Miscavige.) Very quickly, it became obvious that this was not the route to a large, professional feature film. So millions were raised in the hope of turning “Revolt” into a movie through a company called Brilliant Films (see this 1979 New York Post story, which mistakenly has Hubbard still at sea on the Apollo), but Bent Corydon tells us in L. Ron Hubbard: Messiah or Madman? that the funding fell through and the company went bankrupt. Fortunately for all of us, John Travolta then made it his mission to bring another Hubbard classic, Battlefield Earth, to the big screen — which he did in the year 2000.

Despite these less than successful attempts to bring Hubbard’s science fiction to the screen, the galactic elements in his Scientology writings was pretty pervasive, and were not meant to be taken as make believe, isn’t that right, Jon?

JON: Hubbard had often inserted his notions of ‘space opera’ into his books and lectures. It is hard to explain to those who have never been subjected to Scientology that these are inviolable. Not a single word that Hubbard said can be contradicted or even commented upon, even when, as is often the case, it contradicts another word by Hubbard. So, when Hubbard talked about the Fourth and Fifth Invader Forces, and said that they were living on Venus and Mars, it has to be accepted as truth (the notion of ‘metaphor’ does not come into Scientology). When he spoke of the Marcab Confederacy, he meant it. Most important is the context of OT III. The Loyal Officers — the Sea Organization — come from this time. The management technology, including almost all of the Organizing Board, comes from those Loyal Officers, who managed to capture Xenu and put him in an electronic trap in a mountain (he has since escaped and runs his own website in Norway). Hubbard insists that this OT III happened in the ‘Galactic Confederacy’, an expression borrowed from science fiction writer E.E. ‘Doc’ Smith.

THE BUNKER: Xenu does get his just deserts at the end of “Revolt in the Stars,” as he gets strapped down to a device in his prison inside a mountain…

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As in OT III, Hubbard set this story 75 million years ago, and in “Revolt,” someone asks how long the devices will keep Xenu trapped. “About seventy-four million years, I think, possibly more. Long enough,” says the electrician. (Cue the scary music!)

Whether Xenu has managed to escape his prison, the upshot for Scientologists is that, after reading OT III, they spend the next several levels removing invisible “body thetans” from their person at incredibly expensive rates (about $800 to $1,000 an hour). But putting aside the lucrative nature of this business plan, why did Hubbard come up with this stuff?

JON: Hubbard was very conflicted, as the 1946 ‘Admissions’ show. Some part of him knew and from time to time said that he didn’t believe in immortality — except through artistic productions — but at the same time, some other part of him wanted to believe fervently in immortality. Hubbard was friendly with Arthur J Burks, US Marine and mystic, and in his book, Burks talks about a visit from Hubbard — long before Dianetics — where Hubbard claimed he could see the ‘little its’ as he calls them. This is the first mention of entities.

As a student of Aleister Crowley, Hubbard knew that most ‘magic’ is practiced in the belief that entities — discarnate spirits — can be captured and used as vehicles for malevolence. Crowley is the major source for Scientology — I found about sixty instances of borrowing, even the ‘birth engram’ was described by Crowley, years before Dianetics — so Hubbard was well aware of this idea. Don Purcell rescued Hubbard, in 1951, when he bought Hubbard’s interest in Dianetics for a dollar because bankruptcy was inevitable. This included the rights to Dianetics, the book. To the surprise of all concerned, the judge allowed Purcell to buy all of the assets, free and clear (so to speak), leaving Hubbard in a paranoid funk (this was one bridge that he burned) and bereft of his ‘science.’ This bit of A Piece of Blue Sky might be relevant:

The greatest innovation of the Hubbard College Lectures of March 1952 was the introduction of a new cosmology, Hubbard’s history of the universe. Dianeticists had sometimes audited “past lives,” but Hubbard had published next-to-nothing on the subject. Now the “time-track” of the individual was extended long before the womb. The “Theta-MEST” theory (where Theta is “life,” and MEST, “Matter, Energy, Space and Time”) was expanded to include single “life-units” which Hubbard called “Theta-beings.” According to Hubbard, the “Theta-being” is the individual himself, and is trillions of years old (he was later to increase even this, to “quadrillions”). In simple terms the “Theta being” is the human spirit. Unfortunately, Theta beings have to share human bodies with other lesser spirits, or entities, originally called “Theta bodies.” The doctrine of the composite being emerged again in the mid-1960s, becoming the basis of the secret “Operating Thetan,” or “OT,” levels.

Hubbard claimed that “Theta beings” had been “implanted” with ideas during the course of their incredibly long existence through the use of electrical shock and pain, combined with hypnotic suggestion, aversion therapy on a grand scale. Hubbard said it was necessary to recall these implants, and to separate out the different entities in an individual, and put them firmly under the command of the Theta being. This was the direction of Hubbard’s new auditing techniques. Hubbard said he had been researching Theta beings for over a year, but had not considered it timely to release his findings.

But, in short, Hubbard had lost Dianetics with all its many engrams, so now had to create Scientology out of whole cloth. Luckily, Crowley was dead and gone (and ‘the wickedest man in the world’), so he wasn’t about to claim any infringement of intellectual property rights. Hubbard grabbed hold of Magick in Theory and Practice and ransacked it for ideas. Entities are the strongest contender for engram replacement. When Purcell generously returned the rights to Hubbard, he was able to return to his more profitable earlier ideas, and it took a while before he again brought forward the entity idea, now clothed as a body thetan.

THE BUNKER: So there was actually a long history of Hubbard’s interest in “its” or “theta bodies” or what turned out to be body thetans — essentially, invisible space cooties that have to be eradicated with e-meter exorcism. Fascinating. And he finally laid that on his upper-level followers in 1967 in the form of OT III.

JON: And the rest at least got to hear something about it when he announced OT III in Ron’s Journal ’67, which everyone who wants to understand Hubbard should hear.

THE BUNKER: Well, Jon, on your suggestion we looked around the Internet and look what we found: a full recording of Ron’s Journal ’67, all forty minutes of it. We recommend that our readers set aside some time to hear the whole thing, as Ron is in rare form with his spookiest, most conspiratorial tone here.

 


 

Some key moments…

1:34 “You have heard mention of the Sea Org (the Sea Organization) and you are likely to hear other mentions of it as time goes on. This is in reality just another Scientology organization with the difference that it handles extremely advanced work and materials, and its personnel are OTs. Its mission is to bring Clears through the upper levels safely and certainly and with speed, and it also has the mission of getting in Ethics.”

8:21 “The organization, under the direction of Mary Sue, actually before I returned from southern Africa, employed several professional intelligence agents who had long and successful professional backgrounds, and they looked into this matter for us. And the results of their activities, although still in progress, have told us all that we needed to know with regard to any enemy we had on this planet. Our enemies on this planet are less than twelve men. They are members of the Bank of England and other higher financial circles. They own and control newspaper chains, and they are, oddly enough, directors in all the mental health groups in the world which have sprung up.”

24:10 “The mystery of this universe and this particular area of the universe has been, as far as its track is concerned, completely occluded. No one has ever been able to make any breakthrough and come off with it and know what happened. As a matter of fact, it is so occluded that, if anyone tried to penetrate it, as I’m sure many have, they died. The material involved in this sector is so vicious that it is carefully arranged to kill anyone if he discovers the exact truth of it….I am very sure that I was the first one that ever did live through any attempt to attain that material.”

31:46 “As it has only been a very few weeks since I found a proper line through, these people have not yet been through the Wall of Fire, what is called, really, Section Three, OT, so they are having their troubles, too. We are just now embarked on putting the entire personnel of the Sea Organization who are eligible for it through Section Three, OT.”

34:38 “It is very true that a great catastrophe occurred on this planet and in the other 75 planets which formed this Confederacy 75 million years ago. It has since that time been a desert, and it has been the lot of just a handful to try to push its technology up to a level where someone might adventure forward, penetrate the catastrophe, and undo it. We’re well on our way to making this occur.”

Keep in mind, this was a lecture that Hubbard made available to all Scientologists, not just those who were on the OT levels. It’s clear that he’s talking about “Incident II,” the Xenu material, and that he’s dead serious. But to this day, if you ask them about it, Scientologists familiar with this material will tell you they don’t know what you’re talking about.

For a full transcript of Ron’s Journal 67, you can look here. For the entire “Revolt in the Stars,” you might look here.

Thank you, Jon, for this glimpse into Ron’s space opera magnificence.

 
UPDATE: We must add Denise Brennan’s fascinating recollections about “Revolt in the Stars,” which she left in our comments…

I was sent from GO Worldwide on a mission for Hubbard to take the rights to “Revolt In The Stars” from A Brilliant Film Company (“ABFC”) so that it could be given to Myron and Alice Robinson, who Hubbard felt would do better in getting the film made into a multi-million dollar blockbuster. Randy Eaton (or something like that) was running ABFC and I met with him a few times. He had raised seed money and was trying to use it to raise the big bucks needed to get it made into a movie (at that time I think about $50 million would be the budget for a top of the line “blockbuster” movie) and it was something like that that they wanted to raise. Randy had this idea for the start and end of the movie which would be wrapped around the script. Basically someone would be scuba diving and there would be an earthquake which would expose long ago buried (some 75 million years) video recording of what would be the OT III “incident II” story that was covered by Hubbard’s script. The scuba diver somehow decided to bring it to the US government who secretly played it (as luck would have it, government movie players of the late 20th century could in fact play movies made 75 million years ago — I am NOT kidding here). Then you would see Hubbard’s story from way back then. After the story from Hubbard played, you would see the US government reps decide to hide the film so that it would never be seen by the public. (The implication being that some 75 million years later somehow the US government was carrying on the plot started by Xenu and his buddies. So in effect Xenu was still somehow running this from behind his electronic mountain trap). Nothing is too crazy for Hubbard world. Little did Randy Eaton know but we were working on a plan to take the movie from him as Hubbard was impatient and wanted the movie made “NOW”!!! I even met secretly with a Hubbard messenger in a hotel room then (I will not name her as I don’t believe she is speaking out yet). She briefed us on what Hubbard wanted. We met with Myron and Alice Robinson who were ready to take over the movie. I have no idea who was crazier in this little cast of characters but I do know that they had zero chance of getting a big studio to take it up. One big reason was that Hubbard had injunctive relief rights in his agreement which meant that he had to approve of every detail of the movie or he could get its production stopped. Hubbard said that he had to insure it was true to what “really” happened 75 million years ago and only he could tell if it was. So, the studio might spend $50 million to make a blockbuster only to have Hubbard say it had to be reshot because the clothes the studio had people wearing 75 million years ago on earth were not what they really wore. Hubbard said he would go into session as the filming progressed and then pass on details of the clothes worn on earth (“Teegeeack”) then, the cars driven, etc., etc. No kidding Tony could you imagine ANY credible studio ever agreeing to shoot, reshoot, and re-reshoot every single time Hubbard would review a scene only to say they got something wrong??? The story of Revolt in The Stars is far wackier than even what you and Jon write about it. Those were the days!!!

 
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SMERSH Madness: Sowing the Seeds of World Domination!

As we announced on March 1, we’re joining bracket fever with a tournament like no other. It’s up to you to decide who should be named the new SMERSH, the traditional nemesis of Scientology. Cast your vote for who’s doing more to propel the church down its long slide into oblivion!

It’s time to finish up the first round with a real tossup!

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Lawrence Wright stunned the Scientology watching world in February 2011 with his epic 24,000-word New Yorker story about director Paul Haggis and his defection from the church. The Pulitzer winner then turned that material into an even more comprehensive book which came out in January, Going Clear: Scientology, Hollywood, and the Prison of Belief. No book on the church has ever garnered as much attention, and it should educate the public about Scientology controversies for years to come.

Mark Bunker was the man who brought video about Scientology to the Internet. Before the arrival of Anonymous in 2008, you can bet that just about any online video about the church was either created or uploaded by Bunker. He then became even more well known as Wise Beard Man, the person who counseled Anonymous that peaceful demonstration was the way to get word out about Scientology. And today, he’s working on a documentary that is going to feature amazing interviews, judging by the glimpses we’ve seen.

 
Go to our March 1 post for the latest tournament results.

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on March 16, 2013 at 07:00

 

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  • 1subgenius

    Bunker’s paid his dues.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      true, but not what the contest is about. Wright has reached how many?

  • Patty Moher

    Warning: Reading OT III might make your brain explode. LOL! You got to love the crazy that only Scientology can deliver.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      So much for breakfast, patty.

      • Captain Howdy

        Blood sausage..yummy for your tummy

      • BuryTheNuts2

        And lunch too!

        • Captain Howdy

          Hey, cha cha loca, how was the trip ?

          • BuryTheNuts2

            Still on a bus.
            I DO feel like I am in the SeaOrg.

            Actually it was awesome.
            Really!

            • Captain Howdy

              Sometimes the worst of times are the best of times.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              I have officially blown Carnivology!

              Carnival does have a ship called the Carnival Miracle.
              (It is the only one that works)

            • Captain Howdy

              Just think, if you’d booked a trip on the Freewinds, not only would you have made it out to sea, you would have tons of SP spy stories and secret cell phone footage to share.

              You would have been awarded “The Anon Honor of Legion”. Maybe next time.

            • Missionary Kid

              I’m glad to have you back, but sorry that your trip got cut short. Did they give you a coupon for a discount on future trips, and are you planning to use it?

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Oh Hell yes!!!….I am courageous as all hell and a damn good swimmer!

            • Missionary Kid

              You’re lucky you weren’t on the previous breakdown. Swimming wasn’t an option. Carnival now has to REALLY pour on the PR, and you are the beneficiary. 🙂

            • Roger Larsson

              Times aren’t good or bad? It’s a matter how times are handled. I have paid to make fun of
              scientology. Life consists of meetings. If Scientologists had stopped one in front of me or one behind of me on the streets of Sydney, Australia,$cientology hadn’t existed in my universe.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              God I missed you Roger!

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              We’re all went out to stock up on popcorn, figuring you’d come back with a book.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Hahaha…You would think so with my prolific postingness!

              Yeah, yeah…I noticed the counts went down significantly.

            • Unex Skcus

              Did they have ‘over-boarding’ as a leisure activity? Or a few days in the chain locker? 🙂

            • Missionary Kid

              The fun starts in the chain locker when the anchor is dropped. Is that when the “over-boarding” starts?

    • RMycroft

      Gesundheit!

    • Observer

      Hahaha, love this!

    • FistOfXenu

      So if Ron was telling the truth about OTIII, I got a question. Why is it when Davis and Rinder and the gang wanted to make John Sweeney explode they didn’t read it to him? Off camera or just whisper it. Even if he didn’t explode he’d just die in a few days and that’s that. Like Atack says they could even “clear the planet” of enemies that way if they broadcast it. So why not? And $cienos are scared of it if they haven’t done it yet because they believe the LRHorshit. But if they really believed it they’d use it.
      But then again they don’t use their OT powerz to stop us all either so I shouldn’t be surprised.
      Weird thing, they believe it just enough to keep paying but not enough to care if it’s true or works.

      • Observer

        Dying of OTIII-induced pneumonia is a metaphor.

        • FistOfXenu

          Like all the gazillions of dead bodies all over the streets of people who saw South Park and all the other publications of OTIII and then died? Ahh, now I understand.

          • Cymboli Starsong

            I totally died from watching the South Park. From laughter. To quote Monty Python… I’m much better now. :p

      • grundoon

        Hubbard’s earlier opus, Excalibur, was far deadlier than OT3! It’s now stockpiled in Scientology’s strategic reserve in an underground containment facility until the time comes.

    • Graham

      Not the only time that mere words have proved fatal: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gpjk_MaCGM

    • Missionary Kid

      That picture should be on posters at the next demonstration, along with signs saying, “Hail Xenu. See, I’m still alive.” and whacky stuff like, “Xenu died for your sins.”

  • Love Mark Bunker, but will that documentary ever get made? Wright, with his credentials, really dealt a devastating blow. Tough one.

    • FistOfXenu

      They added a mantra to their $cientology: “it’s a metaphor .. it’s a metaphor .. it’s a metaphor”

      • Observer

        How exactly is the statement that there are alien invader forces on Venus and Mars a metaphor? A metaphor for what? It’s truly a pity that you can’t just shake sense into someone.

        • FistOfXenu

          That’s what DM does when he beats people, trying to shake sense into them so they see things his way.

          • Observer

            Hmmm … I always thought it was because he was a tiny man trying to feel like a big man, or at least a normal-sized man …

            • EnthralledObserver

              Either or…

            • FistOfXenu

              Both and “PERIOD!”

          • sketto

            No no. Miscavige only beats them metaphorically, as Daddy Hubbard would have wanted it.

        • MarionDee

          Yes, exactly, a metaphor for what? Why doesn’t anyone ever ask them that? I actually remember checking in Sunday School if I understood the image of the lion lying down with the lamb correctly. If a five-year-old, sorta-Christian girl can ask, why can’t a grown-up Scientologist? (The question’s rhetorical; I know the answer.)

          • FistOfXenu

            Because the real meaning of all $cientarCONon’s metaphors is “we can tell you any damn shit we like. We can even make up new shit as we go. Doesn’t matter. You can believe it or pretend you believe it as long as you keep paying to hear it, we don’t care. Try anything else and you’re gonna end up licking the toilet clean or worse.”

      • Captain Howdy

        And ” It’s not just scientology anymore, it’s also Buddhism, quantum theory and whatever youtube music video Moosey picks out”.

        • FistOfXenu

          SEE! You can compare $cientarCONon to Buddhism and quantum theory, so really is a religion after all! And it really is scientific! Take that, all you SPs!

        • and Tao …don’t forget the Tao ! I am amused watching him try to sell the new bullshit. Funny …he can’t seem to explain it very well at all ( so much for all that communication stuff ) seems to me ..scientology works best when it’s not scientology . He is lamenting that he just has no time to write his book about how great scientology is because he is so busy being great at scientology . Oh ..and then there is science …science proves scientology so read this book about science and stuff …and here is a video of a dog .

          • FLUNK101

            Buddhism, The Tao, quantum physics … all this coming from a man who once saluted a dog!

            • BuryTheNuts2

              No Shit…
              My Mom had a horse named “Velvet”
              she could count.
              One?
              Three?
              five?
              Or..you could tell her to bow….and she would.
              Pavlovian?

              Simple conditioning?
              she never failed.

              This is not the hard question of the universe.

            • Missionary Kid

              Read up on Clever Hans: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clever_Hans

              In this case, unconscious clues given to the horse by the owner gave the horse clues about when to stop counting. This was around 1903.

            • Trustmeonthis

              Cats can count. Try putting three treats in your pocket and only giving two.

            • Missionary Kid

              That gave me a chuckle. Dogs and other animals that can smell can “count” that way, too.

        • FLUNK101

          Buddhism, The Tao, quantum physics … all this coming from a man who once saluted a dog … Mistercavige’sdog “Sir!”

        • ‘Moosey’- typo Cap’n or is this your name for the first lady of the current reformation?

      • Artoo45

        “The Obscene Dog was a sort of a brass dog in a sitting position, and anybody who got around to the front of the dog got caught in some electronic current and passed through the dog, to the dog’s rear end and spat out . . . Thetans didn’t like this.” This was clearly a metaphor for Scientology.

        • BuryTheNuts2

          Somebody put up the video!

          • FistOfXenu

            BTN, good to see you back safe!

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Thanks Fist.
              It is all good.

    • TendonProblem

      Yes. It easier and healthier to ignore than to admit you have been conned. The others don’t think it is crazy, they think it is revelation and they are the chosen, former Loyal officers with “rush of pride in their blood” which according to Hubbard means they remember their fight with Xenu.

    • We were brainwashed do research about cia if you don’t understand.

      • I am sorry ..i am really glad that you are out but i do not think you were brainwashed . I think scientology has you brainwash yourself . You believed it …plenty of us don’t …we find it totally nuts . How can a person be brainwashed by a silly story ?

        • Captain Howdy

          According to the stats, over 90% of the people who tried scientology didn’t get “brainwashed’ and dumped it ASAP. How do people explain that ? And with that $64,000 shit disturber question, I’m out of here.

          • RMycroft

            The “most people walk away from it, so it can’t be brainwashing” strawman argument is frequently made by apologist academics, notably Eileen Barker. On the other hand, the APA DIMPAC report, chaired by Margaret Singer, was rightfully rejected as bad science. Unfortunately brainwashing is such a loaded term that it clogs any real discussion.

            Brainwashed! Scholars of cults accuse each other of bad faith December 1, 1998, Charlotte Allen, Lingua Franca
            http://web.archive.org/web/20001203192600/http://linguafranca.com/9812/allen.html

            • that was a strangely written article 😉 I think people like to say that they were brainwashed…makes it an easier pill to swallow than ” i fell for it ” . Oh ..and the ” he is just like Hitler” thing too . Only Hitler was Hitler . Comparing ones choice to join a cult to WW2 is just a farce yet they do it all the time . Very tiresome …and a load of crap but hey …whaddayagoonnado?

            • Trustmeonthis

              It’s hypnotic suggestion, at the very least – whatever it is, it is all about control. Why deny that? People got suckered.

            • yes – people were suckered …not brainwashed. How are these people brainwashed by someone that they never even met ? they were sold a bill of goods …they bought it …it was a fraud. Control over their lives was something that they actually gave to someone …no one took it . They gave it away because they thought they were going to have “abilities” and be better than all of us . I find the entire thing insulting and offensive….not to mention cray cray .

            • Trustmeonthis

              I never said they were brainwashed by someone they never even met.
              But I don’t think it means what you think it means, in any case.
              The people were brainwashed via the process of “auditing” which is hypnotism and indoctrination. They even CALL it “Indoc!”

            • oh c’mon. how in the hell does holding onto cans ..on a fake machine that does nothing ( maybe a little charge but i get more static feedback rubbing a balloon on my hair and sticking it onto the wall ) hypnotize anyone? How does talking to an ashtray ? And even if it did ..how the hell long does it last ? Look ..i understand that group think is a dangerous thing but for crying out loud…most people got in their cars, went to work, grabbed food at the store …and they kept writing big checks thinking they just HAD to be super special and what a great privilege it was to be them and have all that knowingness about beingness ..not to mention being able to leave their bodies and find a great parking space . Gag . No one leaves until bad things happen to THEM ….and then all those special powers and “wins” are made bare and guess what ? It was all a lie they just kept telling themselves. We all screw up , we all make mistakes and we all fall for some con or another during our life ( hello diet industry ) but grown up adult people ..need to take responsibility in order to move on . Plenty of people who were in the cult have done it and i respect the hell out of them for doing it …the rest just make excuses and use the words “brainwashed ” and the name “Hitler” over and over again

            • Trustmeonthis

              WADR, I think you need to lurk (or research) moar.
              TBH, I used to think you’d have to be stupid to fall for this shit… until I met intelligent people who got taken in, and until I read the writings of people like Arnie Lerma, Alanzo, that horrid Fishman dude (bring hand sanitizer – but it is oh so enlightening if you can wade through it). Lawrence Wright explains it pretty well. IDK why you are so invested in thinking it is so easy to avoid, but that is clearly not the case for many folks.

            • Not sure what all you abbreviations mean ..and i have lurked and looked for about 3 years so i think i have an ok handle on it . VERY VERY few people have fallen for this …even fewer people are STILL falling for it ( which is a credit to the human race i think ) there are more people calling themselves Jedi’s than there are scientologists . I think there are more people at a Justin Bieber concert than there are scientologists . Sit with that for a second …it should make you feel good 😉

            • Trustmeonthis

              It wasn’t the cans. It was the orders.

            • yeah ..okie dokie then

            • RobertFranz

              In my lifetime:

              Man on the moon

              Tearing down the wall

              Death of Scientology

            • RMycroft

              I think that if you asked people who stayed in an abusive relationship for years, you’d also get a lot of responses that just don’t seem to hit the mark. It seems to be an experience that’s hard for the person involved to understand or explain afterward.

              Speaking of farce, Scientology frequently labels critics as Nazis, especially government ones. I await the day that they do that to the Israelis.

            • i hate that Nazi thing ..it is so gross. Only Nazi’s are Nazi’a and only Hitler was Hitler

  • Sid Snakey

    As with so much of Ron’s words, you read them and smile to yourself and wonder at just how crazy he was.

    Then you stop smiling when you realise how many people think this guy is the greatest being who ever lived (facepalm).

  • Anonymous

    My vote has to be for Wise Beard Man. His words are wise. His face is beard.

  • Peter Robinson

    So LRH co-opted the Illuminati conspiracy as well. Let’s have the ‘evidence’ his investigators discovered! The 12 are fighting the martians! And can be bought for £100! Should make a good movie!

  • Peter Robinson

    “Putting the injured member exactly where and when it was injured”. OUCH!!!!!

  • …………………………………………………………..

    Glancing in the mirror, Muriel noticed yet more grey hairs. “Not surprising.” she said to herself rather bitterly.

    “I’ve been waiting 75,000,000 years for my husband to return home and not even a postcard from him.”

    She thought back to that fateful day, so long ago now, when those awful young men with their sneering faces came banging on her door.

    “Mrs Xenu, we are loyal officers and must inform you that your husband has been charged and convicted of genocide. He is now serving his sentence on a prison planet far away.”

    She remembered losing her temper, “How dare you refer to me as Mrs Xenu, I am your Empress.”

    “No longer Ma’am, the Council has revoked your title and you must leave the palace within seven days or you will be evicted by force.”

    And that was how she ended up in this drab and shabby little apartment on the wrong side of town, barely getting by on a meager pension.

    “Loyal officers? Traitors in my opinion, betraying their Emperor.” she thought, opening a bottle of wine, her first for the evening and remembering the lavish State dinners she used to host for dignitaries from the 76 planets of the Marcabian Confederacy.

    “I blame that vile little man from the Galactic Revenue Service who convinced Arthur against his better judgement, that cracking down harshly on tax dodgers would wipe out the budget deficit. If only he had listened to my more moderate ideas for increasing tax and custom revenues, I would still be Empress!”

    She poured herself another glass of wine.

    …………………………………………………………..

    Andrew

    • Observer

      This is better storytelling than all of LRH’s crap put together!

      • EnthralledObserver

        I noticed in the recording LRon refers to “occluding” when he was talking about the memories of Incident 2… so now I’m mulling over the idea of including some Scientology plot in Harry Potter fanfiction – it is surely going to be better than LRon’s shallow and one dimensional story drivel…

        • RMycroft
          • EnthralledObserver

            Holy Xenu Merlin… an actual combination of my two favourite interests in life… HP and CO$ – together. I’ve begun, and it’s fab so far… I only hold out hope of an appearance by Severus and you’ll be my favourite Bunker Bud forever… What a wonderful day… *sigh of satisfaction*
            THANKYOU! 😀

        • Bella Legosi

          Heh Moses was the original Wizard in my opinon. Just ask the Egyptians 🙂

    • Artoo45

      Arthur? I think his name was Sid. Arthur was his brother over at Helotroban Pan-GaLAXy Industries. I could be wrong. It was a long-ass time ago . . .

    • BuryTheNuts2

      Andrew…thank you so much for everything.
      I adore you!

      Damn Albatrosses.

    • Don’t stop there – what happened next?

      • Missionary Kid

        Don’t encourage him. He might start another faux religion. 🙂

    • scnethics

      Wow

    • scnethics

      Wow

  • mirele

    Xenu was liberated from his electronic mountain trap in 1987 and has been raising hell ever since. Love and kisses, the Knights of Xenu.

    • EnthralledObserver

      Is that… Xenu Miscavige? He does like to go by his middle name – David – though.

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    When your funny uncle speaks of invisible little shits barking orders to slay him and all Earthlings, you agree … to visit him at the fun house you are driving him to Immediately. If it’s your Florida candidate speaking, you agree, of course, to elect him at the funny polls eventually. But if in this decade you are Still a scientologist, you are simply agreeing to bark orders at Hubbard’s little shits until you , like, Know, bam! Zzzzap! you just Know you are now independent of and superior to all Earthlings for all eternity and then march out into the world and Unfriend them all. oh, and don’t know if he finished, but can confirm Travolta was solo auditing at the Sandcastle in 2004 or 2005.

    • Unex Skcus

      Hmm, well I know stuff too, like I just KNOW when it’s time for a beer.

  • Puppetmama

    I find that when faced with a choice between historic and recent events I have to go with the early Masters of Enturbulation. Bunker helped create the ground that Wright is walking on.

    • FistOfXenu

      Yup. Foundations are everything and the people that build them owe everything to the foundations. Just like the Demented Midgets owes his Crazy to LRH, the founder of Teh Crazy.

  • grundoon

    Don Purcell’s role in the Hubbard Dianetics Research Foundation, its bankruptcy, and the rights to Dianetics, are told by Art Coulter in The Aberree newsletter of November 1961, pages 10 and 12. Hubbard tells his side in a June 1954 letter to the Better Business Bureau, signed by aide John Galusha but plainly written by L. Ron Hubbard.

  • Mary_McConnell

    ROFLOL!! “Most important is the context of OT III. The Loyal Officers — the Sea
    Organization — come from this time. The management technology, including
    almost all of the Organizing Board, comes from those Loyal Officers,
    who managed to capture Xenu and put him in an electronic trap in a
    mountain (he has since escaped and runs his own website in Norway).” ~ Jon Atack

    • FistOfXenu

      Yup. This just cracked me up too. $cientarCONon is run by the people who FAILED to build a prison good enough to keep just one so-called bad guy from escaping. No wonder they’re treated like shit. Just being in the SO is a lower condition to punish them for their FAIL and since my Xenuness is so big and evil they’ll never be able to make it go right, not ever.
      MWA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA!

      • BuryTheNuts2

        I always liked the “eternal batteries” story….as the “battery” has a finite life span. Period!

        • Ze Moo

          Obey the second law of thermodynamics or else!!!!

          • BuryTheNuts2

            Damn Straight!!!….I think we have a “Bull Connection”.
            whaddaya think Ze MOO?

          • Unex Skcus

            Or else, you’ll have a Higgs Boson to deal with.

        • FistOfXenu

          I get the picture in my head of Loyal Officers/SO members about to turn the prison on and they’re arguing, like
          “Got the Eternal Energizer Batteries?”
          “You kidding? Have you seen the price on them? I got these Everlasting Batteries instead. They’re Walmart’s own brand and 25% cheaper than the Energizers and they’re just as good”
          “You sure they’re as good?”
          “Of course! Everready just charges more because they have to pay for the bunny commercials”
          “Good call. Soon as we’re done here we’ll go get something decent for lunch instead of rice and beans. Just have to make sure nobody sees us or we’re screwed. And none of you KRs this, agreed?”
          “Agreed”
          “Agreed”
          “Right, so stick the batteries in there and let’s slip away, quiet like. And remember, if anybody asks we used Eternal Batteries”

          • richelieu jr

            CUT-TO–

            ENERGIZER BUNNY, marching away,

            suddenly, to the swell of JAWS MUSIC,

            the HEAD SWIVELS–

            a malificent EYE WINKS…

            CUT TO-

            BLACK

    • Roger Larsson

      So, Norway, a little brother to Sweden, has the oil and the eternal battery?

    • DodoTheLaser

      No wonder Norway has the nicest prisons, among other things.

  • Observer

    This one was cruel! I had to go with Lawrence Wright because he is so much better-known at the moment, and his book’s mainstream success is amazing. When Knowledge Report comes out, though, I expect Mark to leave Wright in the dust.

    The more you know about LRH, the more appalling he becomes. There are/have been leaders who were far more evil than LRH, but there have been very few evil leaders as ridiculous as LRH. At least in this ga-LAX-y. Gah.

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      Oh great, now I have picture of Dr. Evil from Austin Powers dressed up as Lron…..hey, that might be a good gimmick if another Powers movie is ever made.

      • stillgrace

        Here is something from WWP for you, in case you haven’t seen it yet! After Wise Beard Man convinced Anonymous that non-violence was the best approach, they started a DM shoop thread that is almost five years old now and has incredible moments (and some, not). Worth visiting just to imagine how enturbulated DM might become.

      • And who would Mini Me be dressed up as, I just wonder…

    • grundoon

      “There have been very few evil leaders as ridiculous as LRH.” – Observer
      Quote of the Week

    • grundoon
      • Observer

        Whew! Glad I said “very few” instead of “none”. This bunch of North Korean military brass is also high on the ridiculous scale:

  • EnthralledObserver

    I think Mark Bunker has done enough damage to warrant my vote. His beard is smattered all over youtube and it is the wise kind. (Hurry up and get that doco done, though… I’m the impatient kind).
    Lawrence did a great job, and also reached millions, but he’ll move on to other subjects before the fight is fully over. I do appreciate his efforts and how his credibility was lent to the story at hand however… and acknowledge he has surely earned his place in this list of contestants.
    LRon… what a card. Nope, not a scrap of ‘metaphor’ in that telling of the Confederacy tale of 75 million years ago.

  • AnonymousSP

    WBM FTW! That is all.

  • EnthralledObserver

    LRon says at about 40 seconds in that the Sea Org are OT’s… What, standards slipping? Or is it that apparently only the quite young were gullible enough to sign that 1 billion year contract? Just how many of this original Sea Org were actually OT’s as they were apparently supposed to be? Is this just another LRon lie for the sake of the con?

    • Observer

      My understanding is that SO are pretty much taken off the Bridge because their slave labor is the greatest good for the greatest number of dynamics, and because they’ll get a chance to do the Bridge in one of their infinite future lives. Maybe it was true that there were a lot of OTs in the SO at one point and that has since changed.

    • .

  • Captain Howdy

    Wright wrote a book that was mostly bought and read by (aging) yuppies so they could make small talk at cocktail parties.

    Mark Bunker helped start a movement.

    Happy St Paddy’s Day (I won’t be around)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrBLqp-s__o

    • Sidney18511

      Your right cap’n. It was the words of “wise beard man” who caused anonoymous to investigate and organize. I was gonna sit this one out but your post has helped me come to a decision, thanx.

    • Sherbet

      Gosh, I’m so dumb, Howdy, I always thought that was a Dropkick Murphys song. Thanks for setting me straight.

  • Graham

    “Another famous Scientologist who is stuck on the Bridge is David Miscavige.” And this guy’s the ‘spiritual leader? Isn’t that a bit like having a pope who got baptised but never got as far as confirmation?

    • EnthralledObserver

      Well… the leader of the Catholic faith is voted upon… who do we know of that actually voted in Xenu Miscavige?

      • FistOfXenu

        Everybody he threatened?

        • EnthralledObserver

          I’d like to even see the orchestrated and rigged vote counts… but the feeble minded idiot hasn’t the intelligence to fudge them. There was NO vote.

      • ACORN must have stolen that election.

      • Sherbet

        One ballot, one name, no write-ins. DM wins.

  • Sidney18511

    Not right. Lawrence vrs. Wise beard man? I might just sit this one out.

  • BosonStark

    That’s insightful Tony, about the switch from their own cases to the space opera. I think it was probably a mixture of him being nuts, liking to draw his followers into his own fantasies and paranoia, and also as a test — initially at least — to make them feel more invested in the group.

    Since OT itself can only create pretend powers, the exclusivity of knowing a big secret and keeping it for the organization, makes members feel special, bonded, devoted, and elite. As Jon mentioned, so much of this is learned from Crowley and his group.

    I’m sure that after Sweeney grilled the Scilebutards on Xenu, they felt more righteous and bonded than ever. They feel like the core of their being was being attacked and “offended” just as Tommy Davis was so offended by their great founder’s “sacred scriptures” being read to him by Nathan Baca or Martin Bashir, and being asked essentially, WTF does this mean?

  • BuryTheNuts2

    Wright and Wise Beard Man is tough for me.
    Wrights book confirmed a description of the Parsonage that my Mother had given me.
    One that sounded so ludicrous to me for so long and yet he described it just as the vision I carried around in my head for so many years. That resonated for me personally.
    I am going to be completely selfish and go with Wright.
    But I love Mark Bunker.
    Like I said, this one was tough.

    • sugarplumfairy

      Bury!!! We missed your suppressive butt!!!

      • BuryTheNuts2

        Well I missed you guys too…
        Bunches!…Ok…maybe sort of, as St. Maarten gave me amnesia…

        But you all drop kicked the shit outta my Wingman Z!

        • Ziontologist

          “But you all drop kicked the shit outta my Wingman Z.”

          That’s OK, BTN.
          You are loved on this blog, and you deserve to be!

          • BuryTheNuts2

            Huge Hugs Z…..Even if You “KNOW” how much I hate that AV!!

            • Ziontologist

              “You KNOW how much I hat that AV!!”

              “Ziontologist” is too provocative an AV!
              From the 80’s on, I thought Scn was an evil scam, from beginning to end. Anything I might have liked about certain auditing processes was just “cheese in the mouse-trap.” I talked about it with my ex-scn friends. And I joked about it with my ex-scn friends, many of whom are Jewish. That’s where “Ziontologist” came from.
              I love Tony’s coverage, exposing this evil cult. It’s endlessly fascinating. But, when I started posting, I thought it would be like hanging out with my ex-scn friends. That is just not the case.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              OK, Ziontologist? So are you going to take that out on me? Yes? or No?
              I hate that AV because it reminds me of clowns…………Shit head…I would have thought you would know that about me. ( That I hate Masks and clowns) Sorry I was wrong.
              It has nothing to do with profound bullshit.
              It is just something that always kind of creeped me out.

            • Ziontologist

              That’s cool, even though you called me “shit head.”
              I never thought it was “your fault” that you didn’t like the AV.
              Yes, I’ve talked about the difference between hanging out with my ex-scn friends and posting on Tony’s blog. But that doesn’t apply to you. You are welcome anytime.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              OK, Ziontologist? So are you going to take that out on me? Yes? or No?
              I hate that AV because it reminds me of clowns…………Shit head…I would have thought you would know that about me. ( That I hate Masks and clowns) Sorry I was wrong.
              It has nothing to do with profound bullshit.
              It is just something that always kind of creeped me out.

          • BuryTheNuts2

            Muah! Ditto Zion. I Love You too..
            (but you know that)

        • stillgrace

          Did you catch what he said to Chocolate Velvet? OTVIIIisGR8 suggested a lobotomy. Now that was funny, even if he was completely serious.

          • BuryTheNuts2

            Oh yeah Grace…I caught it all.
            Just like you “justified” grave reservations….On his file

            • stillgrace

              He’ll be nice for awhile and then he’ll get drunk and insult people and play the martyr card and call us all “a festival of fools” once more, and then pretend all that didn’t happen and play nice again. However, it’s Tony’s blog and if he says Z can be here, well, so be it.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Yeah….I know the drill….
              But It makes me love him none the less….

            • BuryTheNuts2

              i get it

          • Ziontologist

            I will get a lobotomy as soon as I can, I promise.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Sweetie…can I give it to ya?
              You know how I love Ice picks?

            • BuryTheNuts2

              see what you have done?
              not intentionally?

          • BuryTheNuts2

            Grace….I am just going to smile and wink here. OK?
            He appologized to CV too? no?

            • stillgrace

              OK.
              He had to apologize, CV’s husband was on him.
              Over and out, not wasting another second today on Z, or whatever he’s calling hisself now.

            • Ziontologist

              “He had to apologize CV’s husband was on him”

              I didn’t want to have a negative effect on their marriage. That’s not right. I told her to tell her husband I was sorry. And that’s the end of it.

      • BuryTheNuts2

        Oh and thanks for calling me suppressive. It makes me giddy when that happens.

        • Missionary Kid

          You are suppressive squared, cubed, or to a very high power. I hope that makes you giddy for the rest of the day. 😀

          • BuryTheNuts2

            i try

  • Ze Moo

    I refuse to chose between Bunker and Wright. I’ll vote for someone else for Prom King.

    The Xenu story is the basis for phase 2 of the long con. If you have millions of brain cooties and you need to ‘remember’ the exact time and place of their creation in order to remove them, how can you ever be free of them? You can’t, you must pay and pay and pay for the alien exorcism that can never be completed. All hail the great and mighty Lron, pay no attention to the little man ( the one with your second mortgage) behind the curtain. Now all we need are those flying monkeys to complete the picture……I wonder what engram that is????

  • BosonStark

    As far as Wright vs. Bunker, Wright has shucked this clam for the whole world to slurp in its slimy deliciousness. No writer of his stature has attempted it, and Scientology will be forever changed and exposed because of it.

    • Artoo45

      But he stood on Mark’s shoulders to do it. Tony is mean:)

  • Hartley Patterson

    Hubbard’s reference to the “less than twelve men who are members of the Bank of England” was a blatant steal from a classic Conspiracy Theory. This claims that the Federal Reserve is actually a private bank controlled by the rich families that are the world’s puppet masters.

    http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Federal_Reserve

    Hubbard shifted the locale from New York to London, threw the Evil Psychs into the mix and there you go – instant paranoia! The sole objective of this immensely powerful group has been to stop Scientology, which explains why Mr Miscavige is not Chairman of Teegeack today.

    • TonyOrtega

      Excellent, Hartley!

    • 1subgenius

      And, I believe, at the bottom of it for Hubbard, its the Jews.

      • Captain Howdy

        Same for the other Ron and the rest of the conspiracy cult.

      • Artoo45

        Psychs. Giant Space Lizards. The Fifth Invader Force. Chemtrails. Big Pharma. International _________s. “Them.” It’s pretty much all code for Jews . . . sigh. Time for a new scapegoat.

    • Closely similar to the Lyndon Larouche model of the evil conspiracy, also.

  • i-Betty

    “Our enemies on this planet are less than twelve men.”

    So 11, then.

    • EnthralledObserver

      It’s hard to pick the leading henchmen from the actual enemy.. y’know?

    • RMycroft

      Our enemies go to 11.

      • It’s like you look at our enemies and say, “How much more evil can they be?” And the answer is, “None. None more evil.”

    • FistOfXenu

      I think when people think there’s a contradiction between Ron’s 12 enemies and how many of us out here there really are, they overlook the obvious. THERE. ARE. LESS. THAN. 12. MEN. Ron was right. But those 12 men or less were all OTIX and higher! Probably XVs. And all of us millions out here, helping to tear apart the death pit of $cientarCONon? We’re all the clones of those 12 OT’s.

      Deal with it Tiny Fists. You guys don’t have even one real OT yet but you’re up against 12 guys that can clone themselves into an army. You’re fucked, you and the horse you rode in on.

  • washington23

    Sitting this SMERSH round out. Not even gonna touch this one.

  • It must have absolutely gutted the Hubster to see how Star Wars became the astounding blockbuster it became…. shame he wasn’t around to see the outride derision that Battlefield Earth received.

    For the lulz this is the current imdb review for it:

    This movie should have been a ‘Project Redlight’. John Travolta is out of his head and hopelessly devoted to L. Ron Hubbard. That he was able to con 10 other people into investing $80 million towards the making of this movie is the only real impressive angle I can work for this review. Perhaps Travolta wanted to work with Tarrantino again and thought the only way that that could happen is if his own career fell into the tank? Or perhaps he felt it was his duty to make the film in order to get a better seat in ‘Dianetics Heaven’? Let’s hope that Tom Cruise can learn from Barbarino’s mistake.

    I don’t think it will matter too much to point out everything that is bad about this film, but the acting, the dialog, the special effects, the plausibility of the cave people’s quick learning development, and of course, the hair extensions will just have to suffice.

    I would have given the movie a 1 out 10 rating, but I did laugh at the movie quite a few times and that should be worth something, I think. The version I watched was on the USA network and it was modified for teevee, so I may have missed some key plot elements that were cut from the original vision of its director, but then again I may have seen some really good Levitra adds in its place. The end credits whizzed by so quickly that it would appear that no one really wanted to have anything to do with this movie except Travolta.

    ‘In preparing a judgment of worth,

    I proclaim this lame movie to be worst’

    Don’t forget that ‘I told ya’

    to blame John Travolta

    and L. Ron for Battlefield Earth.

    Oh, if it were only a musical. 2/10.

    Clark Richards

    ….. and on a rather strange side note I thought I’d share this rather strange bit from Jeremy Clarkson’s column in todays Sun:

    • Ze Moo

      The ‘according to a friend’ story about TC and Katie Holmes has been every where this week. I suspect a pr move to ‘calm the waters’ before the actual release of ‘Oblivion’. The advertising budget for this movie must be huge. It is supposed to come out April 19 and is getting ad time over 30 days in advance. I wonder if Morgan Freeman can save it??

      • I think the Channel 4 documentary on the Tom Cruise crazy comes out about the same time [or the end of this month]. As I mentioned elsewhere any time a PR puff piece comes out of the blue addressing a particular topic it’s nearly always the case that what they say is the opposite of the truth. In this case we have how happy Tom is now that he’s divorced. Remember all the ‘official’ denials that Madonna was getting divorced?

        One thing I found interesting is that Cruise’s mouthpiece said that Suri spent a whole week in England with him yet couldn’t provide a single pic yet the paps manage to show loads of his shoots on the streets of London and him coming out of nightclubs etc…. given the case against Bauer Media who wrote a piece saying he’s abandoned her you’d have thought that producing such a pic would have been extremely positive for them.

        • 1subgenius

          She was probably at the Saint Hill daycare.

          • Missionary Kid

            Wouldn’t that be child abuse?

            • FistOfXenu

              Would it violate terms of divorce?

            • Missionary Kid

              I was being facetious, knowing how $cilions treat kids. Since Suri is a Cruise kid, she probably gets good treatment. After all, she’s a prospective recruit, like the kids that he adopted with Nichole. They’re probably going to love bomb her.

              Katie would either have to have a restriction against leaving the kid with $cilions in the divorce agreement (probably not), or she’d have to prove that there was abuse – hard if you’ve got the herd of $cilions lying through the teeth to back up anything Tommy boy says.

        • TonyOrtega

          The show is not about Tom Cruise. That’s tabloid exaggeration.

          • betcha The Sun will make it about him, regardless ….. can you at least divulge the broadcast date?

            • TonyOrtega

              Don’t know it yet. Waiting to hear.

        • Ze Moo

          I think the Tom Cruise brand is in trouble, there is big money around ‘Oblivion’ and if it doesn’t do well, TC’s asking price takes a nose dive. It is well worth it for TCs pr people and his studio to get the fire hoses out. With Jack Reacher doing so-so, TC may not be the pull em in star anymore. I can’t wait for the channel 4 doc, that could be fun.

      • FistOfXenu

        Tempting fate to call the film “Oblivion” don’t you think? “Tom Cruise in Oblivion”.
        Sinking. Yeah well, sooner or later it has to happen right?

  • sugarplumfairy

    I love that Lawrence Wright has joined the fray, but I would be physically incapable of not voting for WBM..

  • stillgrace

    It’s 9:30 am on the west coast and the video of the Hubster is “temporarily unavailable”. I’ve read comments that convince me it was working earlier. Any chance it will be available again?

    • Ze Moo

      I am listening to it at this moment.

      • Trustmeonthis

        You’re a tougher man than me.

  • “Xenu” and “Chug” are Hubbard’s seriously real fiction creations, which if you read what Hubbard wrote in context, one would never have the slightest doubt that both were real individuals in the past very real space civilizations.

    Chug is the bad guy Hubbard weaves a story around, to tell why the church of Scientology needs to perfect the ancient computer system employed in a long ago space civilization.

    Interview Jason Harris someday, Tony.

    • Artoo45

      Oh gawd! My dog’s name is Chug! I wonder if he’ll come to a new name . . . .

      • Missionary Kid

        Just change it to Chugalug.

        • aquaclara

          In honor of St. Patty’s Day!

          • Missionary Kid

            🙂

  • Artoo45

    Well, that was the hardest vote yet. Throughout the years I’ve been watching and making the occasional music video parody of the cult, Mark Bunker was the go-to guy for the latest video, just as Andreas was our source for up to the distillation of wog media and ARS news. They are both titans of the Second Generation of critics and still serve vital roles to this day. Lawrence Wright, like the rest of the Third Generation which began with the rise of Anonymous, stands on the shoulders of these giants, who in turn stood on the soulders of the pre-internet First Generation (dont’ let Paulette Cooper’s size deceive you). We don’t forget our elders in this fight.
    It would be foolish to claim that Mark is causing more enturbulation at the present than Mr. Wright, but that could change with the release of Knowledge Report. That’s the problem with pitting people across the generations. The people of the earlier generation may not be active right now, but there would be no Anonymous without Operation Clambake and Xenu.net. So, in my loquacious, roundabout way, that’s me voting for Mark. Lawrence Wright will wander off and find some new subject to write about (and I don’t mean that disrespecfully, he’s a fabulous writer and a brave guy), it’s his job. But Mark Bunker is in this for the long haul. He is now, and forever shall be, Wise Beard Man!

  • Hubbard’s “INCOMM” staff writings, mention the ancient computer use in the long ago past, but the public writings don’t mention Chug. Chug’s only in the original despatch traffic from Hubbard to Foster Tompkins (the Sea Org executive charged by Hubbard to perfect the computer system for the church of Scientology).

    Because the Church of Scientology was so compartmentalized, the private writings to the various sub units didn’t always get spread around internally.

    I’m hoping someday it all gets put into the public domain, so the details of what went through Hubbard’s mind, in his final 10 years, is neatly laid out.

    Hubbard was prolific, and in my years when I was a training supervisor at Flag, with access to the whole Flag Mimeo Files (which Dan Garvin was the Mimeo FIles In Charge for a while), staff who were nerds could browse all the various oddball writings of Hubbard, to all his minions in the various Sea Org upper ranks sub units.

    And as a training supervisor, I had to supervise the whole gamut of staff training on all of these niche writings for their sub unit duties.

    Square zero for understanding Hubbard, would be the task of making all his stuff available, and put all of his stuff in context, because he wrote on different areas every day and every few days or weeks, and the whole intertwining mess of all his writings, give the full correct picture of what went on exactly, in Hubbard’s mind.

    • Missionary Kid

      Was this the same kind of compartmentalization that Hitler used? He set his senior underlings against each other so that he kept control over all of them. All of them were trying to curry his favor so they’d get a part of his power, and hence wealth from the spoils of war.

      Stalin used an even more vicious system where if anyone got too much power or popularity, they were consigned to the gulag. The political infighting between underlings were Byzantine.

      The goal of both systems was absolute fealty to the leader.

      • Comparison to Hitler’s Germany or to any other totalitarian countries isn’t fair. Scientology allows people out, and with the expectancy that those leaving are going back to the real world.

        Scientology’s history at its top ranks, is more the problem of it being difficult for a cult to attract historically educated savvy good people.

        I mean, what can be expected of a group that has science fiction fantasy military model behavior as the requirements for those working in the top ranks?

        In the Sea Org, discussion and debate of how effective Hubbard’s Sea Org staff role model behavior was going to be, compared to other groups in world history, is just taboo.

        Hubbard’s staff writings dictate the “beingness” (role model staff behavior demeanor), and he didn’t allow experimenting away from the “air and attitude” of how staff were supposed to act and behave.

        The list of the people in the “Hole” that was online, to me, was a very disappointing list of leftovers, from which to try to fill the positions in the top councils of the movement.

        The movement’s always been hurting for good staff, not for lack of good intentions, and not for lack of people willing to give up normal middle class life to work on the staffs of the Scientology bureaucratic echolons, but truly from well educated historically and philosophically and enough outside world wisdom to outthink the Hubbard bad policies they were bound by.

        Scientology’s biggest problems are Hubbard’s smothering and limiting staff and membership rules and policies.

        There are loopholes in his policies, but it takes some really liberal interpretations to consciously decide which of Hubbard’s policies to retire!

        Reform is doable, but will have to wait until after this Miscavige era.

        Meaning, check back in 30 years.

        • Missionary Kid

          Why isn’t it fair to compare Hitler, Stalin, LRH and DM? While the latter two have not been responsible for ending millions of lives, within their organizations, they have not had any checks and balances, just like the two dictators. Both LRH and DM had and have systems that perpetuate absolute loyalty to the person at the top. Both have acted with impunity, attacking anyone who has told the truth about them. Their theories and actions are responsible for a few deaths, breaking up of at least hundreds, if not thousands of families, countless bankruptcies, and decimation of personal wealth.

          Scientology never has “just let people out.” The tales of people escaping are filled with events of having to sneak out in the dead of night, threats against those who leave, with everything from revealing information garnered in auditing sessions, to disconnection, which, while the Co$ denies, just like it does the fair game policy. There’s enough people on this list that can put the lie to that. Members of Co$ show up at the door unbidden of members who are trying to leave, or who have had the fair game policy applied to them. These events occurred both under LRH and DM.

          Scientology has members sign billion year contracts. I compare it to indentured servitude. Hitler released Jews early in the persecution if they paid to get out. $cientology presents people with a freeloader bill.

          You said, “In the Sea Org, discussion and debate of how effective Hubbard’s Sea Org staff role model behavior was going to be, compared to other groups in world history, is just taboo.” That was done because there is no real feedback mechanism in $cientology, which is important in any effective organization.

          Reform? I’m sorry, but as far as reform goes, how do you reform an organization that is based upon lies and stolen, reformulated ideas that were twisted to fit the mind of a mendacious con man? If you think I’m misguided about that, you haven’t read the public record of the organization, including military records, stories of LRH’s contemporaries, documents obtained by freedom of information act requests, his own records, and straight logic.

          When Tommy Cruze told Matt Lauer that he didn’t know the history of psychiatry, he just showed his own ignorance, because he was parroting the theories and writings and made up history of a person who tried to manipulate psychiatrists to get more disability pay by feigning the seriousness of his infirmities. None of LRHs theories of the mind would stand up under even the most cursory peer review. There’s no science to back up any of his claims. There is no independent data or studies to back up any of his claims.

          In the intervening “30 years,” I suggest you start reading some of the texts that have been declared as suppressive by the cult. It seems that you have a lot invested in keeping your belief that there’s more than a tiny bit of good in $cientology. Unfortunately, it’s not just based on fiction, but lies through and through.

          • grundoon

            When the tanks from Int Base roll through the streets of Hemet, and assassins take out Broeker and Rathbun, you can start talking about Hitler and Stalin.

            • Missionary Kid

              My comments aren’t about the amount of people killed or military invasion, it is about the management style and attitudes of despots, dictators, and unethical control freaks who have unchecked power in their own little world. All of them have the same evil, deceptive, controlling, style.

              LRH and DM were/are tyrants. The difference is that the world they’ve controlled is much smaller. They don’t have control over a large areas and populations, but what they do control, they abuse.

              Yes, DM’s harassment of Broeker and Rathburn don’t approach the assassination of Trotsky by Stalin, but the fact that he even feels it necessary or right to mount a campaign against those he considers apostate instead of letting them go shows a similar mind set of fear and paranoia.

              LRH and Co$ have mounted campaigns of disinformation, attempts at framing, legal and financial attacks, and psychological warfare against those he considered SPs. DM is apparently continuing these actions, but he doesn’t have the troops to do so on the broad front that LRH did.

              It is only a matter of degree; all are evil.

            • FistOfXenu

              Looks to me like your point here is that LRH and DM do (or did) as much as they could get away with, without being stopped by considerations of legality or morality or compassion. The Fair Game policy lets them “destroy” enemies and that IS a metaphor but only because they haven’t managed to live in their own country where they made all the laws.

              So the question is if they had their own country like Hitler and Stalin, would they still stop short of tanks and snipers?

              And that’s before we get to the suspicious deaths and disappearances and R2-45 auditing.

            • Missionary Kid

              Exactly.

              A big difference is that LRH and DM have had in their operating environment from Stalin and Hitler is that they do not control the media and flow of information at large. (Not that they haven’t tried). The internet, which didn’t exist in those dictator’s times, is especially damaging to Co$, because opinions and facts counter to theirs are only a click away.

      • Unex Skcus

        “Stalin used an even more vicious system where if anyone got too much power or popularity, they were consigned to the gulag.” Didn’t you mean Miscarriage?

      • Unex Skcus

        “Stalin used an even more vicious system where if anyone got too much power or popularity, they were consigned to the gulag.” Didn’t you mean Miscarriage?

        • Missionary Kid

          Maybe so. I thought that the Dinky Midget possibly just cleared house of anyone who was a vestige of LRH’s rule, but, come to think of it, maybe Shelly’s disappearance could be the urge to keep all of the power to himself.

          Well managed companies have people who are able to work independently. That’s anathema to a dictator or control freak. Ultimately, it makes for an organization that is so dependent on the leader that any change in leadership has the seeds of its own destruction. DM hasn’t really been able to reinvigorate the brand, and he’s made mistakes that LRH never would have. Of course, he also has the internet, along with the spread of knowledge that exposes all of the weaknesses of $cientology for all to see.

  • I really have a difficult time reading the codswallop of this whack job Hubbard. I won’t watch his videos, because he makes me want to puke for real. My firm opinion is that he was a piss poor writer from the bits I have read, a little off his head in the early years, and just became totally insane. I also have a theory that in his early years that he did seek some psychiatric counselling or advice, did not like what he heard, and got a real hate on for psychiatry in any form. I find it rather ironic too how Scientology developed their attitudes towards medications when Hubbard was a known abuser of drugs himself. I find him to be a fake, a hypocrite and anything that spewed from his mouth should be continually put down by those who know how to do it…people like Mark Bunker, Tony Ortega, Tory Christman and many others. I just can’t stand it sometimes 🙂

    • stillgrace

      Jon, in his excellent book, talks about how Hub BEGGED the VA for psychiatric help after WW2. Somewhere (can’t remember where right now) on the internet, I’ve seen a scanned photocopy of the letter Hub wrote to the VA for this purpose.

      • FistOfXenu
        • Johan

          I almost feel sorry for the guy when reading this. Almost.

          • grundoon

            Theatre of Arts, the longest continuously operating acting school in LA, has gone through numerous name changes; from 1941 to 1959 it was known as the Geller Theatre Workshop. The GI Bill paid for many ex-military to take dramatics training there, among them writer John Gilmore. Leon Drew, who taught there, recalled, “We taught in shifts, from 8 in the morning until midnight. Our theater was never dark, and among our students were youngsters like Maria Riva, Marlene Dietrich’s daughter, … Mary K. Wells, Lin McCarthy and Harry Lauter.”

            L. Ron Hubbard’s connection to the place is still a mystery… maybe he studied the building from the drugstore across the street.

        • grundoon

          “I attend school at Geller Theater Workshop” … Poison Ivy suggested that the Scientology TR drills resemble acting exercises… but where would Hubbard ever have encountered acting exercises? Maybe this is the answer.

          (It’s doubtful that Hubbard ever said anything without at least a grain of untruth – so I wonder what he was really doing at Geller Theater Workshop, or if he ever set foot in the place. A school for hypnotists? Door-to-door encyclopedia sales training? A Rosicrucian lodge?)

        • stillgrace

          That’s it!! Thanks for posting this, Fist. You are awesome.

    • i love the word codswallop …thank you for using it 😉

    • Unex Skcus

      Which is why we owe a vote of thanks to those, like TO, who wade through Hubbard’s trash on our behalf, and throw forth just small snippets, thereby preventing mass vomitting attacks.

  • Ze Moo

    Lron was a johnny come lately to sci-fi. EE Doc Smith (an actual PHD, in food science) started getting his novels published in the late 20’s and early 30’s and later. Many people compare Lron and Doc Smith because of the development of characters in each writers genre. Doc Smiths characters are archetypes with far more human qualities then Lrons characters.

    One way of gauging an authors work is by seeing what actual effect they had on tech. Doc Smith forecast c3i (command, control, communications and intelligence), stealth and AWACS. His work actually helped the US Navy defeat the Japanese during WW2.

    “In it, Campbell relayed Captain Cal Laning’s acknowledgment that he had used Smith’s ideas for displaying the battlespace situation (called the “tank” in the stories) in the design of the United States Navy’s ships’ Combat Information Centers. “The entire set-up was taken specifically, directly, and consciously from the Directrix. In your story, you reached the situation the Navy was in—more communication channels than integration techniques to handle it. You proposed such an integrating technique and proved how advantageous it could be. You, sir, were 100% right. As the Japanese Navy—not the hypothetical Boskonian fleet—learned at an appalling cost.”

    Also, Doc Smith specialized in donut and pastry mixes during his professional career and may have been the first to make powered sugar to adhere to donuts. What is more useful to mankind, tasty donuts and pastries or the exorcism of Xenu’s brain cooties? I know what I’d pick.

    • Missionary Kid

      LRH was a teller of tall tales who wandered into science fiction, discovered something that could pay (Dianutty), and used his talents as a grifter to keep the con going.

      I’d say that his understanding of science was what he could glean from others, and about as deep as a sheet of water on a windshield. His plots were simply a retelling of his pulp stories, and his characters were simply manifestations of his ego.

      The only reason he’d be mentioned in the same breath as Heinlein, Asimov, and Clarke is that he’d had stories published in the same magazines.

      To paraphrase Will Rogers, When congress makes a joke, it becomes a law, when the Hub made a joke, it became a religion.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Robert A. Heinlein: In Dialogue with His Century: Volume 1 (1907-1948): Learning Curve, by William H Peterson Jr.

        http://www.amazon.com/Robert-Heinlein-Dialogue-1907-1948-Learning/dp/0765319608/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1363461389&sr=1-1&keywords=heinlein+bio

        If you haven’t read, you will find it interesting.

        • Missionary Kid

          Thanks. I started reading RAH in about 1955, in the library juvenile section, and read all his juveniles, so I soon started to go into the adult section. I’ve never read a complete biography.

          I remember him saying that his course on order writing at the Naval Academy helped him most in his career as a writer. I haven’t been able to track down the manuscript where where he talked about writing technique. I believe it was printed in Astounding, but I can’t find a copy.

          It gives me satisfaction that I’m following in his path when I donate blood.

        • BuryTheNuts2

          Patterson…

          I started it in the last few days!

        • Missionary Kid

          Years ago, I’d lost the Analog issue that I saved that had the RAH at Annapolis. I remember that the portion on writing was excellent. The Annapolis version didn’t have that portion. Since it was before Analog started to digitize its issues, I’d given up on it. You started me on its trail again. I found it online, and it’s the Jan. 1974 copy. Amazon has it.

          Thank you, thank you, thank you.

      • TendonProblem

        No, when Hub made a religion it became a joke.

        • Missionary Kid

          TendonProblem, your answer is more apt than mine, but sadly, mine is somewhat true, too.

    • The Dark Avenger

      Actually, his PhD was in Chemical Engineering, although the rest of the information about his real-world career is correct.

  • “Crowley is the major source for Scientology”. More proof that Scientology’s belief system is incompatible with most major religious traditions. These eschew the quest for personal power which forms the root of Scientology.

    • 1subgenius

      Its a satanic cult.
      Just sayin’.

      • The evidence does point that way.

      • Trustmeonthis

        That’s a gross oversimplification of Crowley… but then again, so is all of $cientology. :-/

    • 0tessa

      Jeff Jacobson in ‘The Hubbard is bare’ shows how many elements of Scientology have their basis in the gnosis (see Operation Clambake at http://www.xenu.net.archive/lrhbare). In fact Scientology is a gnostic religion, like Crowley’s beliefsystem also was. The gnostic tradition is a very old one, maybe even older than Christianity. The form it gets with Scientology is just a modern day version i.e. science fiction. Other forms still exist, but are less extravagant than Scientology.

      • Poison Ivy

        This is such a wonderful link.

    • grundoon

      You may be interested in former Class IX auditor Caroline Letkeman’s essay, Scientology and the Left Hand Path.

      • Thanks for the link. I just gave the article a quick look and will be going back to read it in depth.

  • Sherbet

    I still can’t figure out who lrh really was: Paranoid madman haunted by conspiracies and space cooties, or small-time author who was amazed and delighted at the lucrative empire his schlock stories built. Either way, he didn’t exactly laugh all the way to the bank, and he died nearly alone, sick and pathetic.

    • Missionary Kid

      He believed in a modified form of, “He who dies with the most toys, wins.” His form was, “He who dies with the most suckers, wins.”

      I don’t think LRH felt alone. He got his rocks off knowing that he had control over people. As a true sociopath, he didn’t experience loneliness.

      • Sherbet

        I’m not so sure, MK. If he believed everything he wrote, I seriously doubt his sanity.

        • Missionary Kid

          I don’t know if he believed anything he wrote, but as a sociopath, he didn’t care about anyone else or what the effect of his writings on others would be, as long as it gave him power and money.

          DM learned from the master, but he doesn’t have the people skills.

          • Sherbet

            Gotta agree with you, MK.

        • Johan

          If L Ron was born in the 60’s instead of 1912 (or something ), he would have been institutionalised. He was nuts.

      • Unex Skcus

        An account of his last year or so would be interesting reading. I seem to recall that he even spoke of his ‘failure’ to someone.

        • Missionary Kid

          That he was running around, hiding from the government and, in essence being hoisted on his own petard of paranoia must have been disappointing, to a certain extent.

          I don’t think he was lonely. He didn’t relate to people as friends, but as things that could be manipulated. He probably missed the adoration that he’d experienced when he was more hands-on.

          I think the “failure” would be that he didn’t take over the world, as his ego would have him do. He was always overreaching.

          • FistOfXenu

            I figured him for somebody that came to life with an audience, played off the atmosphere and fed off it. He didn’t speak or lecture, he performed. I bet when he manured his audiences he was watching himself in his head, thinking, “now I’ll give them a dose of a wise old bird, a master mariner, telling a salty tale to put them at ease, and they’ll see that I’m a man of the world” or “this is how an old adventurer would season his lectures with a tale of daring and courage from his rough and tumble past” and stuff like that. And he’s strike the pose and take the tone of voice he imagined was how somebody’d be doing it for real if they weren’t impostors.

            • Missionary Kid

              I think you’ve got it about right. He had been practicing that act all his life. The amount of lies he told in the military show that he was already well-practiced with his BS.

              I think he loved having young, impressionable sea org kids around. They could be impressed most easily. Hiding out, to keep away from the feds, was probably hard on him, because he didn’t have an audience.

              The thing about his adventures is that they only took place in his mind. He was incompetent if he had to really do anything other than sail a boat, and even doing that, he screwed up.

            • Johan

              His mission in life was to be adored, that much can be seen from the affirmations. So I agree that he acted for much of the time, and didn’t think that being ‘liberal’ with the truth was a big deal. Added to that – he was crackers.

        • Poison Ivy

          True that. I think you’d need Pat Broeker’s account, though. Or Annie’s – did she tell anyone before she died?

          • Annie got zero chance to speak as far as we can tell, and Pat will probably never be willing.

    • grundoon

      Paranoid madman. He whined all the way to the bank, and died in an RV stuffed with bulging satchels of cash.

  • Cymboli Starsong

    Ugh, today’s poll just isn’t fair. As much as Wright’s book was amazing, Bunker’s words are wise and his face is beard 🙂

  • Love Mark Bunker and think he’s the best. He has certainly caused some serious damage and along with Lawrence Wright, Sir Bunker has gotten his drubbings from the surreal Freedom Magazine, an honor bestowed upon only those who make a crushing blow to the cult. Having said that, I have to respectfully disagree with the prevailing vote.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Wasn’t there rumbling about the workings of a Freedum issue devoted entirely to Mr Wright? Hey, don’t rush ’em, Syn, it takes about 6 months on the OT schedule if I recall correctly. And Yes, Tony is driving us all up the wall with this contest.

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    In Atack’s article in this 1986 Aberee, I get the impression that it was Burks’ in his mystic mode that dreamed up the its:

    “Burks had the idea that we are inhabited by a multitude of separate beings, which he called the ‘its’.”
    And wasn’t Burks the one who wrote about Hubbard said he always “saw” his guardian angel lady on the wings of his gliders – which I assume later became the Guardians office?

    https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:WOslAA8hYUUJ:freescn.freevar.com/Documents/Reconnection24.pdf+&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESj0n5thMViiA0HWYnKX6LhzBT6W7hSCWKJPbUCQcW3rYQZC7N6PpqdsguPUid-PBsPkmZRWUcyY6FTOqi8yqkS5wlVUgKfQ-Uh2Jp9l-K737p98iWKK3GmZYkFPnYOJ3U8IjZ-Q&sig=AHIEtbSePJy0sEzV7C3BBBzZKPKTFuPQhg

    Reconnection24.pdf

    I didn’t know The Aberee went on so long. Reading the articles it becomes clear that Nothing changed in scientology from its earliest days, including dianetics. Ron was busy ripping anyone within sucking range either of their money, their wife or their ideas and even life history. And there have always been various groups splintering their sanity and logic into smaller and smaller bits, trying desperately to make Something work for themselves. Squirrels, Critics, lawsuits, suicides or?, and side sales of nutritional seaweed type of yuk. Hey, there’s even a mention of Tao, which you can read all about today in Martyland. Oh, one thing has changed: Internet changed everything.

  • Tony I was sent from GO Worldwide on a mission for Hubbard to take the rights to “Revolt In The Stars” from A Brilliant Film Company (“ABFC”) so that it could be given to Myron and Alice Robinson who Hubbard felt would do better in getting the film made into a multi million dollar blockbuster.
    Randy Eaton (or something like that) was running ABFC and I met with him a few times. He had raised seed money and was trying to use it to raise the big bucks needed to get it made into a movie (at that time I think about $50 million would be the budget for a top of the line “blockbuster” movie) and it was something like that that they wanted to raise.
    Randy had this idea for the start and end of the movie which would be wrapped around the script. Basically someone would be scuba diving and there would be an earthquake which would exposed long a buried (some 75 million years) video recording of what would be the OT III “incident II” story that was covered by Hubbard’s script.
    The scuba diver somehow decided to bring it to the US government who secretly played it (as luck would have it, government movie players of the late 20th century could in fact play movies made 75 million years ago – LOL I am NOT kidding here)
    Then you would see Hubbard’s story from way back then. After the story from Hubbard played, you would see the US government reps decide to hide the film so that it would never be seen by the public. (The implication being that some 75 million years later somehow the US government was carrying on the plot started by Xenu and his buddies. So in effect Xenu was still somehow running this from behind his electronic mountain trap).
    Nothing is too crazy for Hubbard world.
    Little did Randy Eaton know but we were working on a plan to take the movie from him as Hubbard was impatient and wanted the movie made “NOW”!!!
    I even met secretly with a Hubbard messenger in a hotel room then (I will not name her as I don’t believe she is speaking out yet). She briefed us on what Hubbard wanted.
    We met with Myron and Alice Roninson who were ready to take over the movie.
    I have no idea who was crazier in this little cast of characters but I do know that they had zero chance of getting a big studio to take it up. One big reason was that Hubbard had injunctive relief rights in his agreement which meant that he had to approve of every detail of the movie or he could get its production stopped.
    Hubbard said that he had to insure it was true to what “really” happened back 75 million years ago and only he could tell if it was. So, the studio might spend $50 million to make a blockbuster only to have Hubbard say it had to be reshot because the clothes the studio had people were wearing 75 million years ago on earth were not what they really wore.
    Hubbard said he would go into session as the filming progressed and then pass on details of the clothes worn on earth (“Teegeeach”) then, the cars driven, etc., etc.
    No kidding Tony could you imagine ANY credible studio ever agreeing to shoot, reshoot, and re-reshoot every single time Hubbard would review a scene only to say they got something wrong???
    The story of Revolt in The Stars is far wackier than even what you and Jon write about it.
    Those were the days!!!

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Holy cow, Denise. I’ve never ever seen This many details about the mad dash to get this movie made. Thanks so much for taking the time to write this out. This is worth a full week of late night giggles of the Great Late Super Seekrit Club of Movie Mad Cap Merry Escapades! This is crazy! The studio wogs would Never get the clothes and cars right, right? lol and lol and lol again

      • Observer

        They wore zoot suits and fedoras, didn’t they?

        • BuryTheNuts2

          What else?

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          I just bookmarked this link to making your own pulp magazine cover and you can choose the clothes, styles, machines, background, vehicles. Imagine what scientology would like if Hubbard had his own “Pulp-O-Meter” instead of emeters. I got in via sci fi mode. I might have stayed a little longer for the lulz.

          http://thrilling-tales.webomator.com/derange-o-lab/pulp-o-mizer/pulp-o-mizer.html

          • Unex Skcus

            That was fun! “XENU RETURNS!” “Commander L. Ron Hubbard in Hot Pursuit!” “Locked away for 75 MILLION years, Xenu plans to WREAK HAVOC on Teegeeack.”

      • Poison Ivy

        I can just imagine LRH seeing Star Wars and hearing about all the $$ it was raking in and thinking, “Damn, that should’ve been ME!”

    • BuryTheNuts2

      Sriously? Holy Shiz?
      Fucker gave whackadoole new heights!
      Rully?????

    • Observer

      Wow. Just wow.

    • Just like the spaceship 75 million years ago were exactly like DC-8’s (except for “no fans, or propellers, whatever they’re called”) so the video recording medium was exactly like 8mm film reels. The audio was on 8-track casettes.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Found this, Denise.

      James R Jaeger II Resume … except
      BRILLIANT FILMS, Crossroads of the World, 6715 Hollywood Boulevard, Hollywood, CA
      o Assistant to the Producer/Staff member in the office of the Executive Producer, Randy Eaton and Max Youngstein (1951-62: General VP & Partner at United Artists, FAIL SAFE, extensive other credits).
      Responsibilities included reading literary properties and doing coverage. Held story conferences with writers, actors and producers (such as Paul Haggis, Jeffrey Lewis), did market research and worked on various feature projects (including development of REVOLT IN THE STARS, based on an original screenplay by L. Ron Hubbard).
      o HCO Expeditor. Responsibilities included “gofering” and other general office administrative duties.
      o Bookkeeper. Assisted the Treasurer in journalizing and posting entries, preparing for outside audits, cost analysis and filing.
      o Assisted the Executive Producer in raising money and working with Finders.
      o Co-founder of Premier Ticket (later renamed American Premier Magazine and sold). (1979)
      http://www.mecfilms.com/jrjxres.htm

      More details about the script’s journey, Gillian and Randy Eaton mentioned, and funders:

      “I read the script of Revolt to the Stars. It was given to me by Gillian Eaton of “A Brilliant Film Company,” which was headquartered at Crossroads of the World between Selma and Sunset Blvd. in Hollywood. The company was funded by Becky and Bobby Rounds, rich grandkids of Gaily Coleman of the Coleman Lantern fortune in Wichita, Kansas.”

      “The script had illustrations in it. The bad guy, a space emperor (sound familiar?) was a bad ripoff of Ming the Merciless from the Flash Gordon movies. His minions were dressed in space opera versions of Nazi uniforms. You know, like the black uniforms the “finance police” were wearing a couple of years later when they gathered $cientologists together in forced meetings and screamed at them for not giving enough money to the cult.”
      http://www.holysmoke.org/cos/revolting-revolt-stars.htm

      • found the script:

        Revolt in the Stars

        by
        Harley Wolfe Jr.

        From a script by
        L. Ron Hubbard

        REVOLT IN THE STARS

        FADE IN:

        EXT. ALDEBARAN – SPACE

        An endless visage of stars shine in the void.

        A single SPACE SHIP glides silently through the vacuum. On
        its hull is the name ALDEBARAN.

        SUPERIMPOSE: BORDER PATROL SHIP ALDEBARAN
        GALACTIC CONFEDERATION FRONTIER

        INT. ALDEBARAN – BRIDGE – CONTINUOUS

        We see the Bridge of the Aldebaran. At the HELM two scruffy
        PILOTS monitor the flashing console in front of them.

        PILOT #1
        Another dull Patrol eh?

        PILOT #2

        Yep.

        PILOT #1
        We always get the shit patrols you know?

        Uh huh.

        PILOT #2

        The second pilot nonchalantly flips a SWITCH. The first
        pilot looks at him, irritated.

        PILOT #1
        You don’t seem to mind.

        The second pilot shakes his head no.

        PILOT #2
        It’s the way things are. Just

        accept that and you’ll be a much
        happier person.

        PILOT #1
        A RED LIGHT flashes on the console. Both men become alert.

        Uh huh.

        (CONTINUED)

        http://www.simplyscripts.com/scripts/RevoltintheStars.pdf

        • edit bits for those without the time to read the whole thing notice new expression “BRAIN-BANGED”:

          Then hordes of Grey invaders run into view. They fire their
          LASER WEAPONS at an unseen opponent as they retreat towards
          the city.

          But many are cut down as a barrage of PLASMA FIRE plows
          through their ranks.

          Its a full-fledged maelstrom as the Grey aliens are beaten
          back by –

          THE LOYAL OFFICERS, and NINTH ARMY TROOPS.

          These soldiers are beyond advanced. Bio mechanical Ultra
          Humans.

          The Loyal Officers are the “Warrior Kings” of the
          Confederation. They appear more human. Similar to the
          ancient KNIGHTS of lore.

          The Ninth Army soldiers look more rugged, robotic. “The foot
          soldiers”. But both are engineered for combat.

          One of the Loyal Officers stands out amongst the others. A
          white Knight. COMMANDER RAWL. Governor of the planet
          TEEGEEACK and leader of the Loyal Officers.

          _____________________________________________________

          MAN
          Please Help us! We can’t stop ourself’s!

          MAN #2
          The Grey’s are controlling us!

          The humans open fire. A burst of return plasma fire from the
          Loyal Officers. The humans die.

          My God.

          RAWL

          SOLDIER
          They were “Brain banged” by the Grey’s.
          I know.

          __________________________________________________________

          Rawl gives a grim nod yes. He deactivates his THETA ARMOUR,
          revealing a handsome face and wavy blond hair. Looking at
          him one would never believe he’s a fierce warrior.

          __________________________________________________________

        • TonyOrtega

          I saw that too. It’s recent fan fiction by some guy at a screenwriting site, not LRH.

          • I must admit I thought I was looking at something that was inspired by the South Park piece and subsequently written drunk…. given all the scion speak it must have been written by one of them….. wonder what ever happened to him?

            [he’s currently running NBC, ed]

            …. would be hilarious if it was discovered that Harley Wolfe Jr was Miscavige’s secret nom de plume

      • grundoon

        BTW, your 2nd link, and the quote beginning “I read the script of Revolt to the Stars,” should be credited to our sulky old pal, Skip Press.

        • wonder where he went ..maybe he had a heart attack after Obama got re elected

          • grundoon

            In mourning for a year and a day, probably.

      • richelieu jr

        Ha! Of COURSE their HQ would be at Crossroads of the World along with every other fly-by-night production office and porn producer (Even Danny DeVito’s ‘Hush Hush’ gossip rag in L.A. Confidential was HQ’d there– Full disclosure, my offices were these for a while as well!)

  • Mrs. V.

    This is the first time and last time I’ve ever listened to LRH speak. I don’t think I’ll ever be able to stomach his ego trips again. That was truly awful.

    • BuryTheNuts2

      Does make one want to take an antacid? No?

  • CraftLass

    Today’s vote definitely sucks, but after a lot of hemming and hawing I landed on Wright for one reason: People are paying a lot of attention to him and his book RIGHT NOW. He’s got a history of credibility that no one can refute. His angle was brilliant, enticing to people who would never consider reading a bio of LRH or history of his creation or even stories of ex-SO. I despise this celeb-news-hungry reality we live in, but playing it to an advantage is the best way to get people to read a jacket or sample and get sucked into a well-written book. It’s like a widely-distributed vaccine for the potential “raw meat” of today. Wright is using the CoS’ own strategy against it.

    WBM is awesome and voting against him is hard, but you have to already have interest and seek out what he does. I’m dearly hoping that reading Wright will send many people to watch those excellent videos and support his documentary.

    The point is that today, not tomorrow or yesterday, Wright is having a greater impact. I think that’s what this particular contest is about. But I think WBM is cooler and if that were the contest, he’d have my vote in a heartbeat.

    Ugh, looking at the bracket, the next round is only going to get more painful!

    • Trustmeonthis

      I agree with everything you say about Wright (and I voted for both Katie and TC for very similar reasons) but I think I am gonna have to give it to Bunker, because without him, Anonymous wouldn’t be what it is today. He saw the potential, and he was able to communicate his ideas in such a way that it changed everything. I think Anon is basically the Kraken of the $cilons, so I am going with Wise Beard Man. Long may we benefit from his wisdom!

  • SP ‘Onage

    Lawrence Wright vs Mark Bunker
    Hard to decide my vote. Both have done some major damage to the cult.

    I fell asleep watching LRon’s video. Hard to listen to, not to mention boring! He sounds like Jim Jones.

    • Missionary Kid

      Jim Jones killed hundreds, LRH destroyed thousands of lives directly, and indirectly created grief for thousands more that have been disconnected from their loved ones.

      DM is his successor.

  • Unex Skcus

    WBM for me, but a tough choice, as Lawrence Wright is awesome as well.

  • This is the first round I cannot choose – sitting this vote out!

  • sketto

    Lawrence wright deserves credit, but you don’t mess with The Beard.

    Beard be with you, always.

  • EnthralledObserver

    Another thing the Indies say, is that it’s not the ‘story’ of OT III that will give you pneumonia and kill you, but running the actual ‘tech’ before you are ready. Any ex-es here that reached or surpassed OTIII that can comment on this viewpoint?

    • FistOfXenu

      So, another way they can only hold on to “what Ron said” by changing what he said. Don’t they even blush?

  • DodoTheLaser

    This is interesting. Hubbard failed to make a major movie based on his book, but succeeded at making a major carrot (OT III) for his followers and made tons of money that way. Yet Star Wars are still more popular and there are more Jedi’s than Scientologists. Bummer.

  • DodoTheLaser

    Ron talks like a Telex Machine in that tape.

  • Bella Legosi

    Battlefield Earth was too much. I hope the script and all its copies disaappear! You know I am not a fan of book burning but goddamn it Hubbard is really asking for it. But i doubt that would even put a dent into the amount of paper already consumed, but also pollute the air with real “its”…..arrrrrr i am frustrated!

  • Scientology Kills

    I think it’s telling that Travolta may still be itching to get “Revolt in the Stars” made—knowing that it would “kill” so many innocent people. I’d hate to be an usher in the theaters on opening day, having to mop up all that blood.

  • Saying that LRH is full of sh*t is just not enough (after listening to Ron’s journal). I would be rolling in the floor if his voice was not so boring…

  • Overtigo

    The pace and timbre of his voice is very intentional in my opinion, and it is not because he is boring. Hypnotic trance was the aim here, all of the lecture tapes (not the live ones) feature this measured delivery…you are feeling very sleepy…listen to my deep, calming voice….give me all your moneeeeyyyyyy.

    • inquisitor

      Yes, I can confirm that as soon as he mentions being on an island and you hear his voice get “breathy” almost as if he cannot complete his words with the full strength of his utterance.
      This is to induce a hypnotic trance.