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Finally, a last stand against space cooties: It’s Scientology’s New Operating Thetan Level 7!

SpaceCreaturesClaire Headley and Bruce Hines are taking us on our journey to train as Scientologists. Claire spent years working with Scientology’s “tech,” and was trusted to oversee the auditing of Tom Cruise. Bruce was in Scientology for 31 years and spent about half that time as a senior case supervisor. Go here to see the first part in this series.

Wow, we’re really getting near the top of the bridge. This week, Bruce Hines gives us some amazing insights about New OT 7. But first, let’s take a look at the materials we have on it, which are quite brief.

What we have from L. Ron Hubbard all fits on just one page. (And yet, we hear this is the level so many people get stuck on for the longest — for several years in many cases.)

In the instructions we have, the “Pre-OT” is told to do solo auditing in order to remove body thetans or clusters “one area at a time.”

“You may in some instances have to have the Pre-OT handle BTs Dianetically, running them back through a chain of incidents. This can be complex, with three or four BTs and chains crossed.”

The instructions tell us that running the engrams of body thetans can be “dicey,” because multiple BTs can share engrams originating from different chains, or something. It sounds complex.

“When the Pre-OT has a transparent body and a clear area around it to some distance…and when he realized he is alive and very much himself,” then the “end phenomena” of ‘New Era Dianetics for OTs’ has succeeded.

At that point, the person will have achieved “Cause over life.” Woo-hoo!

So it sounds to our unsophisticated ears like this is just some mop-up of leftover BTs. So why does it take so long? And how did it come to have the name “on the level.”

And why does it require sec checks every six months? (Which isn’t mentioned in the materials we have.)

BRUCE: The instructions you have are probably from 1979. In April 1983 things changed when two new technical bulletins were issued from L. Ron Hubbard himself. Then they changed more in 1991 when almost everything was revised.

On New OT 5, where one is audited by another person, one just scratches the surface in terms of blowing off BTs and clusters. Then one does New OT 6, where one learns to audit NOTs on oneself. Then one goes onto New OT 7, on which the solo auditor is supposed give him- or herself multiple sessions every single day, seven days a week, for some years, with no breaks except when they go back to Flag for their “six-month check.” Hubbard thought that there were a lot of stuck BTs in or on oneself or one’s body in layer upon layer upon layer.

I don’t recall all the details of the two bulletins issued in 1983. But one of them gave a new method for locating BTs, which was to be used for most of New OT 7. Silently, telepathically, and conceptually, the Pre-OT is supposed to say, “Where is the next being? Say ‘Here’ when I ask the question Where are you? Where are you?”

The six-month checks started in 1984. Every six months the Pre-OT is supposed to return to Flag for a (usually) short security check. They generally also receive some auditing from an auditor to make sure that any charge from events in life or from solo auditing errors gets cleaned up, as they say. From time to time there would be fads, and some type of auditing would be given to the Pre-OT while they were at Flag (like the False Purpose Rundown, which is supposed to get rid of evil purposes). Of course, the Pre-OT has to pay for the auditing and pay for the sec check at the same rate. These checks were supposed to detect if the Pre-OT was getting disaffected or going sour in some way. People had been auditing solo NOTs at home since about 1980. In 1982 this became New OT 7. In 1982 and 1983 there was a schism, and many members resigned to go join one of the many “squirrel groups” that had started up after David Mayo had fallen from grace (brought down by Miscavige, as many perceived rivals were) and left the organization. Mayo and some other former church members started the Advanced Ability Centers, which were in a way in competition with the orgs. Plus some other independent groups formed as a part of this whole exodus. Some significant percentage of members left at that time, though I don’t know the numbers. Among those who left were a lot of people who had been at home auditing on solo NOTs. With little control from Flag, and no established reason for them to return to Flag, upon learning of abuses that were occurring, their discontent would grow. The six-month checks made it possible to keep these people on New OT 7 under control. The Pre-OTs had to agree, in writing, to return to Flag every six months before they would be allowed to go home with their materials to audit solo. This resulted in a lot of business for Flag.

THE BUNKER: So what you’re saying is that to this day, people on OT 7 are spending thousands of dollars every six months for deeply personal interrogations as a direct result of a schism in Scientology that happened more than 30 years ago? Yeah, that sounds about right.

BRUCE: Also in 1984 the first “completions” of solo NOTs, the first New OT 7s, were allowed to attest. Along with the instructions on how to do the six-month checks came the procedure for determining if the person had actually completed the level. I well recall the flap that occurred when one of the first completions, the fourth one if I remember correctly, got cancer and passed away not long afterwards. I wonder how many of those early completions are still active.

Another interesting point about New OT 7, at least to me, is the purported “sociological” benefit from having a whole bunch of people auditing on solo NOTs. The idea is that a BT, after having been handled on NOTs, becomes a freed, awake, and possibly Clear being that will go out into the environment and proceed to do good somehow. Many of them will “pick up” a body, so it was expected that there would be a tremendous number of young people growing up who would be unaberrated and generally more able than most people. The NOTs materials stated that there would be “torrents” of these beings being released into the society. This is the idea behind the long-standing goal in the “church” to have 10,000 people through New OT 7. This would supposedly release enough “theta” into the environment to cause society to de-aberrate. Or something like that. After 30 years they are still a long ways away from having 10,000 completions, not to mention that a lot of the ones that did complete are no longer in, or are not active as Scientologists, or have nothing more to do with Scientology, or have passed away. If one does some math and considers various ramifications, the unreality of this sociological benefit is obvious. There are things about it that Hubbard never explained. For example, wouldn’t a new body that gets born and picked up by some thetan have a whole new set of BTs and clusters to deal with? When someone dies, do all the BTs that were on the thetan or attached to the body go along with the now disembodied soul? Or do some stay with the dead body or go attach themselves to some other body? Would there be enough bodies being born to accommodate this “torrent” of freed beings?

THE BUNKER: Whoa, Bruce. Mind blown.

BRUCE: In 1985 there was a hurricane in the Gulf of Mexico that could possibly move to Clearwater. Somehow word got out that the solo NOTs auditors should audit as much as possible, which would somehow avert this catastrophe. When the path of the hurricane took it to the Florida panhandle and Georgia, of course all believed that it was because of all this solo auditing that had gone on. No one dared ask how that could possibly affect the path of a hurricane. Maybe the freed BTs all got together and pushed that mean ol’ hurricane away. Might make a fun shoop.

I myself, as I explained in an earlier post, started on New OT 7 in 1983 because Flag needed me to audit customers who had already started solo NOTs. I was quite happy to go along with all that nonsense. It is somewhat embarrassing to admit that I enjoyed the status that went with it. I was still on it in 1995 when I was sent to the RPF for six years, where no one would be allowed to audit on New OT 7.

THE BUNKER: Six years! It’s always amazing to hear how long some Sea Org members spend in the Rehabilitation Project Force (RPF), the SO’s prison detail.

BRUCE: With all the things that go on in the life of a Sea Org member (going on missions, all-nighters, general lack of sleep, “flaps”, no “personal enhancement time” to name a few) it is difficult to solo audit very frequently. I know of very few people who completed New OT 7 while in the Sea Org. There are some that completed it before joining the SO.

Anyway, all of the levels before New OT 7 are supposed to prepare people for the long and very important level of solo NOTs. OT III pales in comparison. It is important for various reasons, the main one being the amount of money that Scientology makes from it.

THE BUNKER: It is a lucrative level. On the telephone, you explained to me how paying for New OT 7 works. People can spend years on OT 7, but they’re solo auditing at home, and not paying as they go. There’s an initial $2,800 that you pay, and that seems low. But then, every six months, as long as you’re solo auditing (or “on the level,” as Scientologists say without a hint of irony), you are required to go to Flag (in Clearwater, Florida) for case supervision and sec checking (interrogation). The case supervision runs $1,700, and the sec check typically costs the same as an intensive with a Class IX auditor — $7,800. But as Jason Beghe and others have pointed out to us, a trip to Flag can cost you weeks as you’re put through the “False Purpose Rundown” and other things while you’re waiting to get sec checked.

BRUCE: And when you’re there — that’s when the reges really pounce on you.

THE BUNKER: Right. So a trip to Flag can really cost a lot more than what you went there for. But let’s be conservative and keep to the price list, and say that a person is on the level for three years (many people spend far longer). That’s six sessions at Flag, for a grand total of $59,800.

BRUCE: It’s a big, big moneymaker.

COST THIS WEEK: $59,800

COST SO FAR: $388,805.50

 
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Jonny Jacobsen takes a bow

This weekend, our man in Paris, Jonny Jacobsen, let us know that he’s putting his excellent website, Infinite Complacency, on a less active status. We have heaped praise on his website numerous times. Jonny is a thorough and dogged investigative journalist, and he’s never received the credit he deserves. He’s been a huge help here at the Bunker, and we’re happy to know that he plans on continuing to be our go-to source in Europe. We asked him to say a few words about the look-back he put on his site this week.

As this week marks five years covering Scientology at Infinite Complacency, I’ve indulged myself with a look back at some of the highlights.

I’ve mentioned the Paris trial coverage because it turned out to be worth the effort, with landmark fraud convictions against two Scientology organisations that could have repercussions beyond France. I pay tribute to Senator Nick Xenophon’s great work in Australia, putting vital testimony into the public record and asking hard questions about the movement’s tax-exempt status there.

And I have revisited a few other stories I think are important: how disconnection split apart the Henderson family in California; how Scientology’s spurious claim to be able to treat led to the death of Heribert Pfaff in Florida; and a look at the great work by Belgian artist Renaud de Heyn that appeared in France’s Revue 21 last year. Come and join the party.

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on March 19, 2014 at 07:00

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  • EnthralledObserver

    Expensive! And weird. And many, many questions without answers. I call them plot-holes.

  • Missionary Kid

    It’s not logical. It’s $cientology.

    • joan nieman

      A good description of two complete opposites MK.

  • My name is Larry Lester

    Has everyone seen the trailer for Marty Rathbun on 60 minutes in Australia? This blew me away! Take a look on his site..

  • My name is Larry Lester

    I still cant believe it. 60 minutes The heat is on!

    • TonyOrtega

      60 Minutes Australia

      • Sidney18511

        The show is suppose to be online after it is shown on TV. This is the website if anyone would like to bookmark it for future reference.

        http://sixtyminutes.ninemsn.com.au

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          tks

  • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

    As always thanks for the instalment. I am sorry about the six years on RPF.

    Somehow this information today, just seems to be the height of absurdity. I see all the years, all the money, the tension and all the promises near culmination. What have we? An unfulfilled promise for a better society, a promise for a diverted hurricane and transparent BTs. I am sorry about that too.

  • sugarplumfairy

    Solo NOTS fascinates me.. Let me audit myself.. Then let me reg myself.. “On the level..” Ha! Another perverse lrh joke..

  • Heaps of thanks to Jonny for this coverage. Let’s hope the French language court cases continue in the vein they have been recently…

    • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

      And to you and all the ARS chat site vets who pushed and prodded to have ex members even talk their stories!

      There was a whole lot of people involved, chatting, from the 1990s onwards, stirring up history, stirring ex firsthand members to even talk!

      I’ve listed out people I had to thank, who even spoke to Jonny, I posted on it, not mentioning them by name, but as it was happening.

      Jonny was listening!

      One of the main ARS critics for France, Roger Gonnet ought to have a little side plug!

  • vistaril_LOL

    Vive La France!

    Y’know a lot of Brit + US politicos who sneer at France and Germany could learn a thing or two about protecting your own citizens, just a thought…….

  • WildaBeast

    I’m doing the math on this here and it’s making my head explode. $2,800 up front, okay, not bad. I wouldn’t pay it even if I had that much at once (ha!) but then again I prefer my expensive pastimes to come with instant gratification. But what kills me, absolutely kills me, is the ($1,700 + $7,800) x2 = $19,000!!! On paper, my wife and I collectively make roughly that sum on a yearly basis. I know of a couple of people who have taken 6-7 years to do New OTVII – that’s $114,000-$133,000 in under a bloody decade, without counting regging for Basics, IAS donations, the Encyclopedia Bullshittica, TWTH booklets, Idle Morgue donations, and Christ knows what else. Probably Davey had the poor staff clams reg public for Monique’s Ecclesiastical Dildo.
    It’s so much money it makes my head spin.

    Scientology: costs as much as or more than a nasty hard drug addiction, fries your brain just as badly if not worse, and doesn’t even get you high.

    Bruce and Tony, thank you for this. It might be appalling but the knowledge is great to have. And Bruce, I echo Korgo’s sympathy re: 6 years (!!) on the RPF. So glad you’re out and eating a balanced diet (or at least having the option to) and doing something awesome by giving all of us here the nitty-gritty details of the Bridge to Total Poverty.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      I don’t remember what year the order came down, but those on OT7 even those who lived literally down the block from Flag had to stay at one of their expensive hotels, and eat their expensive food, and there was bound to be Something to get you all messed up so you had to buy even more auditing. This I based on other people’s experiences and stories. The figure Tony gives is very low. The very last I saw a friend was when they were getting “ready” to go in for 6 month check. She had a special dinner with family, and I swear she looked and acted like she was going in for major risky surgery and might not come out of it alive. Yeah, I checked and she and her family are still “in”. I guess that means the family inheritence hasn’t reached zero balance yet. Major money. What a despicable waste.

      • WildaBeast

        How awful. And they call this a religion. No part of your faith should have you acting like you’re going in for bypass surgery. Nor should you ever be forced out of your home so you can pay out the wazoo to stay in the same town. There’s no reasonable justification for something like this. Makes my jaw clench til my teeth creak.

    • aquaclara

      …the Encyclopedia Bullshittica…hehehehe
      I always read TWTH as the “what the hell” book. Cannot get it out of my mind. But your Encyclopedia Bullshittica tops all.

      • WildaBeast

        Why thank you, aqua!

      • WildaBeast

        Also, TWTH will now forever read to me as “the what the hell” booklets. Tee-hee!

      • Obviously

        Just out of curiosity, when members get together to hand out TWTH books (I’ve noticed some ads in the Sunday Funnies here), are the books provided by the “org” or does each member buy the books first? And isn’t it all online anyway? (“Do not murder,” “suggest to others that they preserve their teeth,” etc.)

        • aquaclara

          oooh, they are all paid for somehow. I have seen people post flyers that show donations being solicited for bundles of the booklets (at rates far exceeding the price to print them).
          There is no “FREE” in Scientology.

  • Sherbet

    I can’t decide whether to say “Good grief” or “Oh, brother.” Either way, what a ration of horse puckey this is. So what else is new…

  • RMycroft

    It’s not the final stand against space cooties. On the next level you have to give an eviction notice to all the OTs who were away on vacation when the other BTs were being audited out. Or something.

    If you have cash, you have cooties!

    • mpl

      Right, Mycroft. And then the BTs take you to tenant’s court. It’s all very messy, time-consuming and expensive…just like the rest of the bridge.

      • RMycroft

        And then after you get them out, you find that some BT squatters have moved in! (Sort of like Scientology’s vacant orgs.)

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    Woke up last night almost 1am with TV still on and saw Sara Goldberg on the screen.

    ABC’s Nightline Prime, with Dan Harris, had a 9 minute feature of the Sara’s Choice story. The morning news clip was only a little over 2 minutes. Debbie Cook’s saga is in this longer version, Miscavige physical violence, and much more details. I don’t know if it’s going to be shown again on ABC.

    http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/video/mother-blames-church-scientology-splitting-family-22964634

    • Elar Aitch

      great win!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Pepsicat

      Making Sara disconnect from a son who is suicidal is beyond cruel. It truly demonstrates the lack of compassion that this church has for anyone. I was highly disappointed that Good Morning America didn’t mention this aspect of her story. I’m hoping more news outlets get this point across as it gains some legs.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        It’s in this longer version! And the church’s response includes smearing the son, scientology style.
        You have to see this! I so hope hope hope this will be shown again but not so late. Actually, I hope it goes viral. Maybe Sheldon will show up and can let us know.

        • OrangySky

          Is there a transcript of the church smear? I don’t have time to watch the whole segment.
          Oh and yes – I do believe Miscavige has lost his mind at this point. I don’t think he’s taking advice from anyone, not his minions, not Wog lawyers, either. He has almost totally succeeded in “branding” Scientology as a vengeful, hate-filled, mean-spirited organization, and he doesn’t seem to give a rat’s ass.

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        This very important detail was included in the longer piece they did on Nightline.

        EDIT: I see this was already addressed!

    • BosonStark

      ABC is really getting it in the past few years, finally. In this presentation, I was especially pleased that they took a cue from Australian TV and showed the celebrities, including a clip of Cruise — MIssion Impossible theme playing in the background — saying, “We are the authorities on the mind.”

      Sara is also very articulate in talking about how they are not allowed to read information on the Internet about what is going on in their own organization or about Scientology. Instead they are caught in a trap of internal control with hoops they must jump through to maintain contact with their own children.

    • sumdayiwill

      I think whatever cherch spokesperson came up with that drivel might need to do some word clearing..their use of “compassion” does not mean what they think it does.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        There’s only one person who can do anything right in scientology and that’s Miscavige. Karen Pouw hasn’t been seen in over a year. There is no one managing anything anymore. There is no spokesperson. There’s Miscavige and there are order takers and that’s it. Oh wait, Call Center reps on standby.

        • sumdayiwill

          Oh I realise only Cap’n Crook can do it right..and I for one hope he keeps on doing it just the way he has been. Footbullets have turned into grenades of the gonads and it couldn’t happen to a nicer guy 😉

        • Betsy

          I may have missed something on this…is there any worry or idea about where Karen Pouw is? Has she been “Shellied”?

          • Robert Eckert

            Apparently no-one has had any face-to-face or even telephone contact with her since 2011 and the e-mails under her name could of course be written by anybody (although a certain somebody is the prime suspect). Yes, she may very well have been “Shellied”.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Ever since Mike Rinder escaped, the job of scientology spokesperson has become the most dangerous job on the org board.

            • L Mignacca

              isn’t she the one who “speaks to the Tampa bay Times” in an official capacity?….I have seen her name in the paper regularly for years

            • Robert Eckert

              “speaks” apparently only by e-mail. I have seen no confirmation that anybody has actually seen her face or heard her voice for a couple years.

          • Obviously

            Hasn’t the name acquired a sort of “Dread Pirate Roberts” quality?

        • Obviously

          But the Texas lawyers assure us he’s 100% ecclesiastical 100% of the time. They said it in court so it must be true, right?

  • Andrew Robertson

    It still baffles me why the expelled BT doesn’t just put on a wig as a disguise and creep back in to repossess you. It would be more sensible than having to find a maternity ward and joining the long queue of other BT’s waiting for a new host to invade.

    There are other conundrums about this preposterous nonsense that are equally confusing so I find it better to ignore the subject of Ron’s belief in alien spirit possession entirely.

    As Omar put it:

    ‘Myself when young did eagerly frequent
    Doctor and Saint, and heard great argument
    About it and about: but evermore
    Came out by the same door where in I went.’

    Andrew

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      It’s not confusing at all. Hubbard was mentally ill, heard voices for years, and after years of his self treatment and self medication, the voices started talking back. He was also losing customers and income and was being pursued by the law, so he came up with more self treatment, packaged and marketed it so the cost outlay per customer was close to zero (customers do all the work and at home). Max profits. And called it New OT7.

      Now you know why there are so many mental breakdowns for those on OT7 and 8. The high incidence of early death and cancer from this group is because of constant mental stress, either only seeing scientology doctors or only chiropractors and DO’s if ill … no drugs or medicine, antiobiotics even would cause the person to have to fly back in to Clearwater for special auditing to “handle” the horrible effects of medicine. Very expensive in both time and $$$. By the time any serious conditions can no longer be ignored or mistreated by quackery, they are in late stages and now it takes vast amounts of money and time to get better, but for many it’s too late. Oh, they also have to be careful who they talk to, what they do so their sec checks doesn’t run into multiple intensives, so they become very isolated inside their bubble. Depression seems to be the other dirty secret besides cancer that isn’t talked about.

      • Sherbet

        I often forget, TH, that despite your good humor, you’ve suffered. Hugs.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          I’m alive though. I know the techies just hate it when I mention at one point, scientologists need professional mental health treatment. Scientology causes mental illness if you stick with it long enough. At the point their conduct and activity becomes destructive, to their mental and physical health, to their family, their careers, to their finances, that’s not healthy and a whole menu of mental disorders are pretty obvious. Imagine now some have been doing this for decades. These are not well people.

          • Sherbet

            I imagine the most insidious (and most stubborn) part of the illness is the false perception that YOU, personally, are the problem. If the problem persists, you just haven’t tried hard enough to fix it. Wrong, wrong, wrong.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Stockholm syndrome doesn’t quite cover it and no one disorder does. I fully expect some day when Hubbard’s scientology mind experiment is studied, there will be something on the books called the Scientology Syndrome. There really is nothing like scientology.

            • mpl

              Yes, that’s a recipe for mental breakdowns, right there. You are responsible for all of your problems and solving your problems. You have an issue? You’re “pulling it in.” The source is your crimes. It’s a way to degrade and remove the humanity of a person, little by little. How insidious.

            • Sherbet

              mpl, having fought depression and anxiety issues my whole life, I know that ANYTHING that makes one feel flawed, damaged, and helpless is counterproductive. If that’s religion, self-help, new-agey therapies…whatever. If I feel worse doing it, then it’s not helping. Yes, there should be some labor pains, but it seems scientology is one huge labor pain with no delivery in sight.

            • mpl

              Exactly! Perfect analogy.

            • Tory Christman

              And let’s not leave out: YOU have to PAY $$$ each time it doesn’t work and now you have to get “Fixed” within C of $. ARGH! Thank each one of you for your kind words 🙂

            • Betsy

              I think of Tory Christman’s experience…being dumped from Sea Org because she had epilepsy and needed meds to keep from having seizures. OF COURSE this genetic, DNA-observed problem was HER FAULT!

            • Mrs. V.

              Her story was the one that made me go from “eh, everyone is entitled to their own religion, they’re not hurting anyone” to “HOLY SHIT!!! THIS NEEDS TO GO AWAY! EVEN THE INDIES! THIS IS SO NOT GOOD!”

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              Tory reminded me the other day that she was actually in the SO. She was a dedicated OT-7.

            • Sherbet

              Right, Betsy. Thank goodness her mother overruled the church.

          • WildaBeast

            No. No they aren’t. This is why I try not to hold grudges (not personal, I was never in) against longtime Scientologists for all the insane and horrible things they do while in. They aren’t well. If I can forgive myself for nicking the rent money numerous times to feed a drug habit (and hurting my wife while I did it; it was usually her money in those days) then I pretty well have to forgive a good deal of what Scientologists do while they’re in. The degree of compulsion they’re under is just as great as mine was, if not greater.
            On the brighter side, if I can improve my mental health by leaving what was messing me up behind, so can they. Takes a while, but it does work.

            • Anandamide

              (Congratulations on moving beyond your addiction(s). That is a hard fight.)

            • Betsy

              Wilda, once more, hugs and applause for you. And thanks for allowing us to share what is happening. One of the worst things about CO$ is that people not only suffer but aren’t allowed to tell anyone…except the auditor, of course, who immediately makes the tape available to DM, who laughs about it with his friends.

            • joan nieman

              WildaBeast, that is a story with a happy ending. We can look at this clause ” Takes a while, but it works” and apply it to the Indies who haven’t quite given it up, but may, in time.

          • Betsy

            I wish there were some statistics on people who go into psychotic states at various points in their memberships…like Barbara Cordova, Nancy Many, etc., who finally experience the brainwashing as unhinging.

            • joan nieman

              Yes, there may be a lot more than what and who we read of.

      • Mrs. V.

        “no drugs or medicine, antibiotics even”. Another one of the many things I find wrong with this “religion”. Telling these people that auditing will cure cancer and other ailments is disgusting. And worst part about it is, cancer treatment is covered by insurance (if you have it) so the out-of-pocket expenses are less and you get to remain a part of the world and society – no mind control.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          You all are preachin’ to the choir. I don’t even want to know how many scientologists don’t have insurance because a) insurance companies don’t cover most quackery, so members have to shell out a lot of dough for their expesnive scientology “doctors” who also have a lot of product to sell them and b) scientology companies likely don’t offer it to their employees (those I knew of didn’t) and c) that’s $$ that could be going to Miscavige’s scotch and shoe closet. It’s not like some don’t take antibiotics, but they’ll avoid it as long as they can. Sci chiropractors will sell them a host of vitamins and snake oil and hardware instead.

          • Mrs. V.

            It’s just so, so sad, and maddening, and frustrating and frightening. Maybe it’s the cloudy weather today, but I’m feeling really depressed about all of this.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Here’s some good news then: There’s only a few thousand on Planet Teejeack still abusing themselves like this. These are veteran families and now and then I hear their grandkids are saying no friggin’ way! And most people, like myself, wake up in relatively short order and walk out. No matter what ailed you in the first place, scientology will kind of cure you because it gives something Much Worse to worry about, hah, funny but true. The reason it’s become more and more insane is Because their are so few customers and willing slaves. I think some Bowling Leagues have more members.

            • Mrs. V.

              Thank you. 🙂

            • Dancing Cranberry

              “No matter what ailed you in the first place, scientology will kind of cure you because it gives something Much Worse to worry about”.

              Well said, THDNE. It would make a good counter ad!

          • FOTF2012

            Right. My own stint on staff actually had me coach surfing for places to sleep and bumming money from friends to get food — virtually never got paid anything, and never got paid as much as even the meager amount I was told I would be paid. Money for insurance? Not even the faintest blip on the radar screen.

            But — what are Scientologists in the US going to do that the Affordable Health Care Act is being implemented? They will all, under law, have to pay for insurance and show proof of it each year. If they don’t buy the insurance, they will receive fines eventually. The fines would probably be more than a staff person or Sea Org person makes a year. So would the insurance.

            And the Church of Scientology is not going to go into its $1 billion plus in reserves to give its employees, er, volunteers and ecclesiastical elite, an insurance plan — they need that money for Miscavige’s inurement and legal fees.

            But never fear — church status in the US and the slim to nothing pay might actually exempt Scientologists from the AHCA! (See http://www.irs.gov/uac/Questions-and-Answers-on-the-Individual-Shared-Responsibility-Provision.)

            What does that mean? Well, the American taxpayer will be subsidizing the Church of Scientology (and maybe some other religions) in yet another way.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Oh staff for sure never have had insurance coverage. I was talking about public. Taxpayers have been subsidizing scientolgists’ health care, well at least in the emergency rooms, since forever. The new staff contracts are their last nail in the coffin. They are volunteers and have no rights or benefits whatsoever.

            • ze moo

              Old staff who are sent away are eligible for SSI, not a lot of money but much more then they got as staff or SO. Medicaid will be their health insurance, which the taxpayers will pay for. All these programs are being used by the clampire now. The US public is indeed subsidizing the scam.

          • lucille austero

            Scientology companies don’t offer health insurance to their employees…so many times on this board I am re-astounded by the dangerous practices of this cult.

          • Betsy

            I would really be interested to know: has the Tiny Tooter ever (to anyone’s knowledge) had something like a dental abscess that required antibiotics and was terrifically painful? If so, did the Divinity call from the 15 dimension to tell him it was OK to go to the dentist?

      • WildaBeast

        No antibiotics?! That’s it. They’re mad. They’re all fucking absolutely batshit crazy to the point where they can’t even see where their own advantage lies.
        I mean, the whole psychs-are-coming-to-get-us-all thing, the antidepressants-are-a-conspiracy crap, that’s standard conspiracy theory crap and I can see where it might be useful in terms of mind control. Keep someone miserable and too frightened of treatment to go the mainstream route to fix it, and you can get them to pay through the nose to {fix} it with Scientology.
        But you can’t get them to pay you if they’ve bloody well gone and died. And you know, I hate to mention it, but antibiotics, overprescribed as they may be in this day and age, probably save more lives than anything other than childhood vaccinations.
        How could anyone possibly be so stupid as to spend decades developing nearly perfect mind control over a set of individuals in order to hoover the money out of their pockets before they even make it, only to throw the productive poor sucker away by keeping them away from antibiotics? I…I just…they’re not even good at being criminal assholes!!!

        (Edited for clarity)

        • Panopea Abrupta

          “you can’t get them to pay you if they’ve bloody well gone and died.”

          Well, I am reminded of the old saying:

          Where there’s a will
          There’s a lot of people keeping a close eye on it.

          One of the illustrious Squirrel Busters is the widow of a dead $cilon pilot – most of his insurance money has gone to feed the coffers.

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Florida_Flight_90

          He was well up the Bridge to Insanity, but his Super-Powezzz didn’t kick in, I guess.

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            The Jenson family, one of the wealthy IAS donors listed on the thread a few days ago, promotes the fact that he’s leaving everything to scientology when he kicks off.

            Be assured that the vulture regges smell trust funds and wills from a hundred miles away and that their wealthiest whales Wills and Trusts are gone over with a fine toothed comb. The regges and FSM’s probably have a pdf of them on their Blackberry’s.
            Arghhh…I am derailing this thread. Sorry.

            • Panopea Abrupta

              I’m not sure it’s a derail – willful negligence combined with the forensic regge vultures
              is almost certainly a factor in the $$$ plans.

  • BosonStark

    No wonder Dr. Hubtard did not allow thetans to talk about the tech.

  • Phil McKraken

    “…solo auditor is supposed give him- or herself multiple sessions every single day, seven days a week, for some years, with no breaks except when they go back to Flag for their ‘six-month check.'”

    Has there ever been a more obvious regime of self-hypnosis devised? That it’s all in the pursuit of completely imaginary tasks just makes it more sickening.

  • El Con Blubbard

    I think I know where everyone’s BT’s land when they leave the person – yes, you got it….Captain Black Heart Miscavige!
    BT’s? $ec Check$? $$$$$$$$$$$$$$

    Science? Riiiiiiiggggghhhhhttt….

  • N. Graham

    I’ve been following the program since Claire and Bruce started and am really enjoying my new OT powers! Now that I’ve exorcised most of the space cooties of course.

    I was exterior and working on reversing global warming and refining my parking the car tech when I felt the ripple in the Force as the new OT7 article went up. I used my new Internet Assimilation power that I got from OT5 and absorbed the info.

    I’m like TC-bouncing-on-Oprah’s-couch geeked! I just handled a massive group of BTs and am starting to go transparent! It’s going to take me a week to write up my wins! And of course now I am feeling that “cause over life” you get on OT7. It’s just one of those things that you never realize you’re missing but once you get it, BAM! This was worth dumping all my suppressive friends and family.

    Well, back to work-“Where is the next being? Say ‘Here’ when I ask the question Where are you? Where are you?” Wow! I can FEEL the power!

    • BosonStark

      From clear to transparent, when will the wins stop coming!

    • Elar Aitch

      Had the makings of a success story but needs more exclamation marks

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Shall we now call you Mr. Cellophane?

    • Betsy

      Gosh…I’m glad you’re doing so well. I myself have discovered new and meaner Space Cooties I never knew I had. They dwell in crowded condominiums and have way too many kids. This is going to take forever. Let me get my maxed-out credit card out…

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Did you happen to hear a big bang when you felt that ripple?
      (dammit discus) sorry for double pic

      http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/2014/mar/17/bicep2-finds-first-direct-evidence-of-cosmic-inflation

  • chukicita

    I know it’s like asking “why does the unicorn need rainbows” but why would a body thetan need a body? It doesn’t make sense that spiritual parasites need a physical body. Unless you’re Hubbard, trying to make a quick buck.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Because they don’t know they’re dead and invisible. Actually, (i hate even typing this crap) most of them have been “asleep” and you’re waking them up to give them their eviction notice. Also, you need hands to make coffee, so there you have it:) Glad I left before OT 7, but so many stayed.

      • WildaBeast

        Hole, thank you for choking down your bile and translating Hubthink into English for us. We appreciate it.

      • Captain Howdy

        But the ultimate goal in theory is that eventually you would no longer need a meat body and you would leave the MEST trap and return to your non-corporeal immortal original thetan self, right?

        • Sherbet

          Silly Howdy. You’re assuming lrh had some goal in mind when he started blathering about this crapola.

          • Captain Howdy

            I’m a sucker for a happy ending.

            • Sherbet

              Yeah, right.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              hahaha, what Sherb said. Sad to say, this is what some still believe is OT 9 and OT 10 and through OT 15 non corporeal astral walking, originals. They believe more OT levels exist and yes, that’s where they are headed. sheesh. Maybe they exist in the Twilight Zone, I mean Freezone (ducks). Life without coffee, hot tubs, and mango raspberry margaritas just never appealed to me.

            • 1subgenius

              Then you’d love the “Nail Salon” at my corner.

            • Sherbet

              Bad boy, 1 sub.

            • Captain Howdy

              Do they take food stamps?

            • 1subgenius

              Surprisingly enough, yes. And man am I hungry.

            • Sherbet

              Next you’re going to ask if they make house calls.

            • Captain Howdy

              Great idea, maybe I can figure out a way to get medicare to pay for the cab ride from Detroit.

          • mpl

            Heh heh, he DID have a goal in mind. Money in his bank account. Everything else is just pesky details.

            • Sherbet

              The jury is still out on that, mpl. I think the craziness came first, and the money was an added benefit when it started coming in.

            • Mooser

              “The jury is still out on that, mpl. I think the craziness came first”

              I think the craziness came first, and getting his own. Turning it into a big-income stream? That was the people around Hubbard. Hubbard couldn’t organise an ant farm.

      • chukicita

        Eviction notice! Why are we so mean to them? Aren’t they our ancestors?

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          Not our ancestors. Aliens. Illegal aliens. And Scientology makes us all Nevada…

    • Betsy

      That’s a good point. After all, without a body LRH was zooming around the asteroid belt and finding out that space was warm and so on. One would think a body would be the LAST thing a thetan would want. Get stuck where you are and in addition have arthritis? And be subject to diarrhea? And suffer the heartbreak of psoriasis?

  • Mrs. V.

    “Where is the next being? Say ‘Here’ when I ask the question Where are you? Where are you?” Sounds to me like a very lonely game of Marco Polo.

    • Sherbet

      And an expensive one, too, Mrs. V.

      • Mrs. V.

        Ah yes. Very true.

    • WildaBeast

      I was thinking of a blind teacher taking attendance :p

      • joan nieman

        Now that is a good one WildaBeast!

    • ze moo

      This is another place where the clampire sells you your imagination. As long as you ‘postulate’ {really imagine} the BTs you have them. Once you stop imagining them, you’re ‘cured’. By OT 7 all the participants are loyal ‘hip hip, hooray’ Lroon worshiping clams. No one else would pay for and subject themselves to this lunacy.

      This pyramid scam is really about guiding your imagination to engrams, that evolve to past lives and ‘electronic incidents’ and then even more alien woo-woo. I have no idea how the staff can do this to another person with a straight face. There used to be good money in it for the staff, why do it now? The littlest führer wants all the money now. Now the clampire is just a high control cult, with few reinforcing monetary incentives to help the scam along. This and the bad reputation that Clamatology has acquired are the death knell of the mad empire.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Hence my “Being There” analogy, because that’s exactly what it is and exactly why no one will ever agree on what scientology is and what it did for them. Hubbard teaches you to be an expert on “making it all up”. You then have a customized service and tailor made product line.

        The reason for the fair game is to enforce complete Silence and No Peeking rules. If anyone compares notes, the con is immmediately over.

        • mpl

          I was just going to mention “mocking it all up.” What a ruse. You get to the top of the bridge only to realize you made the whole thing up. “It was all just a dream.” Even Hollywood thinks that’s a stupid ending that no one would buy.

          • Tory Christman

            No No, mpl…it’s **WAY** worse than that!

            First off “I’m just mocking it all up” is the EP (end) for attesting to CLEAR. Lonnnnnnng way before you’re done.

            What is super gross IS at Life Repair, delivered at the beginning of “The Bridge”… that “EP” (end phenomena”) is: “LIFE REPAIR Awareness of truth and the way to personal freedom”.

            Now pay $100,000 or more and find out at the END …the “EP” for OT 8 is:

            ((Cover your eyes, lurkers)) ROTFLOL! Is:

            “This is the first actual OT level and brings about a resurgence of power and native abilities for the being himself.”

            Is THAT a mind F*** or what?
            OMG! I know I watched OT 8’s get worse and worse and worse.
            It wasn’t until I got OUT and found out how screwey that is…No wonder they
            GET WORSE! And THE worst of it is this:
            ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLL those under you, except an OT 8 to be able to

            walk on water, with abilities you can’t imagine. “Really? You have to use your
            hands to drive? I thought you were OT 8”. <<< Truefax. It's insane.
            Love to ALL 🙂 Tory/Magoo

            • mpl

              Ahh! Thanks for the clarification, Magoo! It’s hard for me to keep all the BS straight! Hahaha. But seriously, YES, I can totally see why people get worse and worse the further along they go. To get to the “end” and be told, “You’re yourself. Thanks for all the dough. Oh, and you SHOULD have super powers by now, too. If you don’t, there’s something wrong with you because the “tech” ALWAYS works.” That would turn anyone psychotic, if not extremely grumpy and irritable. Probably the reason for all the beatings and screaming matches.

              I have a lot of respect for you, Magoo, and all you’ve been through! XOXOXO to you. So glad you started reading the horrible “lies” on the Interwebs! 🙂

        • Mooser

          Hence my “Being There” analogy, because that’s exactly what it is and
          exactly why no one will ever agree on what scientology is and what it
          did for them”

          That’s what makes Independent Scientology so much fun, and so necessary1

      • Betsy

        Jon Atack’s book has a story from his early CO$ experience…his auditor just lost it because of the foolishness of the whole thing and collapsed in a corner in hysterical laughter. Naturally this was upsetting to Jon…but a fresh, humorless auditor was quickly put in place.

  • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

    Can’t thank you journalists and editors enough who bothered to listen to us/

    Jonny just was huge, in my opinion, he listened to a half dozen or more ex Int Base staffers tell the violence story incidents, and that helped a lot of them just get it off their chests, sometimes for the first time to a journalist, even though the big stories came out in the bigger media later.

    It was a huge help, I thought, to have media take people seriously.

    Before in the past only certain types of media, like the weekly city mags, that actually have the guts to go with the story, based on enough cross corroborating first hand stories.

    It was a chore, I certainly was trying to help get people to talk, encourage them, encourage some media to even listen!

    Jonny definitely had a personal interest and some background with Scientology’s tragedies, so he listened, and a half dozen or more ex Int Base talked to him, actually some for the first time to tell the details of the violence story, a year or two before that story really broke.

    I have to thank Jonny and you Tony and major media like St. Pete Times/Tampa Bay Times, but personally Jonny was very very important laying down some journalistic media foundation for the beginning of the violence story! (The toughest story, the violence, Jonny didn’t flinch, I’m so thankful, it helped others!)

    http://chuckbeatty77.webs.com/Jonny%20Jacobsen%20Paris%20May%2007.jpg

    I visited Jonny in 2007, summer, when Ursula Caberta and the state of Hamburg Germany funded or helped pay for visit to speak at the FEBRIS anti cult conference held in Hamburg, that year, and I went and visited Jonny for a day or so (ate French snails, they were okay).

    • aquaclara

      What a terrific picture and story, Chuck. This stuff matters.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Love this pic, Chuck. Jonny, thank you for everything you do.

    • joan nieman

      Good story Chuck! Thank you.

    • Mooser

      “Can’t thank you journalists and editors enough who bothered to listen to us/”

      Yes very much, and thanking God, too, since the American government and the States folded like a cheap paper bag in a rainstorm when it came to Hubbard Miscavige and the motley crew..

    • Love that photo! If you ever get over this way again Chuck, be sure and give me notice, so I can work up a decent day out and about.

  • Sir_Real

    I was never in, fortunately, but been immersing myself in the discovery of this bizarre, cruel cult for about 9 months now. Does the body thetan thing have these kinds of properties?

    • Captain Howdy

      That’s a touch assist.

      • Sir_Real

        Yeah you’re right, is it a good as the “Midas Touch”?

        • Robert Eckert

          The “Minus Touch”, it makes everything of value disappear

          • Sherbet

            Doggone, I missed your humor, Rob.

            • Mooser

              Okay, I knew I was forgetting the best one of all, but that trip out to the dump jogged my memory! What about “Just in Time” Huh? One of the swingingest tunes to come out of a Broadway musical?
              Never mind, just pull those old records off the shelf, I’ll sit and listen to ’em by myself, today’s Musicals ain’t got the same soul, I like the old time song-and-dance, with a whirlwind finish. My bridges (see above) have all been crossed.

            • Sherbet

              Moose-boy, I’m glad you didn’t turn into Judy Holliday. Or Billie Holliday. Or even Doc Holliday. But, still, keep the organdy frock. Anyway, I just think Bells is too draggy and corny, whereas the others are played for jokes and lightness.

          • Mooser

            ♫ ‘Doctor Minus said to me:
            Give me all your vitamin
            G-O-L-D!!
            And that’s what he said to me!’

            Sorry, just popped out. Reference to an ancient Comden and Green musical. I’m getting oldtimers, I think.

            • Sherbet

              I thought I knew all their work, but that one eludes me, Moose. What’s it from?

            • Mooser

              “The Midas Touch” from “Bells Are Ringing”. As I remember (let me leaf through my old Playbills for a moment., my dear) ah yes, here’s the synpsis: The main plot concerns a telephone-answering-service worker who becomes involved in her client’s travails (if that isn’t something salacious, of course.) A sub-plot concerns Dr. Kitchner, a Dentist who wants to be a songwriter and composes tunes on the suction-hose while doing extractions (with lyrics like “You can’t see anything, but it hurts! No, you can’t see the pain, but oh Lord, how it hurts!” Transcends dental, donnit?) goes into a lyrical description of how much money he makes doing crowns. “Gold, in the morning, Gold, in the evening”

              I was just doping out the charming song from “Bells” “Long Before I knew You” on the ogan. But you think they didn’t know about I-crushs back then? Or trolling?, or even, maybe “catfishing”? It’s a perfect relationship And that’s how things should always be!

            • Sherbet

              Thanks, Moose. That wasn’t one of my favorite musicals. On The Town and The Bandwagon are the Comden and Green creme de la creme. But I digress.

            • Mooser

              That wasn’t one of your favorites? What price “The Party’s Over”? The Bells are Ringing Waltz? “It’s a Simple Little System” with all the classical interpolations? “I met a Girl” (“a marvelous girl, she’s rarer then uranium, and fairer then a pearl!”) and many others?
              Okay, it was sort of trite, and pretty obviously a vehicle for Miss Holliday, but still, the songs swing.

            • Mooser

              And, of course, I’m listening to the Columbia “Original Broadway Cast” Album, and I’m you know 7-12 years old, and just a little well, you know disoriented, although somewhat musically talented. Oh, how I admired Judy Holliday’s skills, and I learned all the songs and routines on the record.
              The other kids were, of course, rocking round the clock, doing a thing called the Crocodile Rock. I’m very surprised I didn’t grow up to be (to the extent I’m able) Judy Holliday. It was a close run thing.
              But none of this interests anybody, so I’ll drop it. The party’s over.

            • Mooser

              Knowing that your taste would be impeccable, and your knowledge of the genre extensive, I checked on all three musicals, for an explanation of our different appreciations of these, each excellent in its own wright, musicals. The answer is simple: Comden and Green wrote the book and lyrics, but in each musical, a different person wrote the music. So they differ quite a bit.

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            Yes! Love that.

        • richelieu jr

          “King Midas in Reverse” That’s Hubbard all over…

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWh0DOAfc7A

    • Sherbet

      Yellow Shirt is thinking, “Now, while she’s relaxed, I’ll just slip my left hand into her pocket and grab her cash…”

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        I was just looking at “10 New Wearable Tech Innovations that will Blow Your Mind”. Scientologists on OT levels have the “theta hand” tool, use your imaginary hand to cut out the imaginary yet stubborn squatting BT’s. Back in the real world, in the works is an actual glove that will do all sorts of fun things. There’s other real science inventions that do actual cool stuff. This is what earlier scientologists like myself imagined it would be like. Check it out….some awesome stuff.

        http://www.brit.co/new-wearable-tech/

        [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/5gI8wNR.jpg?1[/IMG]

        • Douglas D. Douglas
          • Sir_Real

            No way! How could I have missed this as a kid back in the ’60s! I wanted all the plastic junk Topper, Hasbro et al. cranked out then! I thought this was a shoop at firstl

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              I desperately wanted one of these when I was a kid. The commercial was SO alluring (SIX FINGER! SIX FINGER! SIX FINGER!) But my folks would never “waste good money” on something this foolish.

              Years later I finally found one at a flea market. I still have it, neatly sealed in its colorful blister pack.

              Here’s that commercial:
              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElVzs0lEULs

            • Sir_Real

              “You’ll put your eye out!”

          • Captain Howdy

            Holy Xenu! I hope Ayman al-Zawahiri isn’t a Bunkerite.
            ….

            • TDA1541A

              WTF is that thing on his forhead ?

            • richelieu jr

              It is the tessellation of Hubbard’s cyst.. When they kissed they made one, horrific whole…

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            hah secret code clicker sends messages. Now I know what to get OSA for Xmas. They’re so hard to shop for.

        • Sherbet

          Thanks. Kewl!

    • Mooser

      I don’t know what those two women are up to, but if it goes any further, I will have to leave. It looks like it’s going to become inappropriate for mixed company.

    • Obviously

      Looks like the “laying on of hands” various religions use to heal the sick and cure the lame. Different script, of course.

      • Sir_Real

        Somehow IMHO the $ciloon way seems the most fraudulent.

  • Captain Howdy

    Hubbard should have just cut to the chase and told the clams that he had discovered that all money was infested with body thetans and that they needed to bring their filthy lucre in to flag to be audited.

    He could have called it “The Wallet of Fire”

    • Sherbet

      Literally laughing out loud here, Howdy.

    • Mrs. V.

      That is awesome.

    • Elar Aitch

      And we have GATIII

    • Miss Tia

      Would have saved a lot of lives!

      • Jo

        Hi Miss Tia, I’ve not been able to post here for the past few days, think my iPad has been infested with thetans? Here’s the hashtag thing #thestafflife

        • Miss Tia

          thanks!! I used that on twitter one day! 🙂 I think though they wanted to use that on instagram mostly and unfortunately, after i sold my tablet, i can’t use instagram (can’t use it with a PC dammit!!)…..i’ll check for it on twitter on though and take appropriate subversive action if it’s there! 😀

          sorry about your possible thetan infestation! have you tried tone 40 “GET THE FUCK OUT” ? 😉

          • Jo

            It’s really strange, I could up vote here but couldn’t post any comments? I had to use my Linux PC, which is a pain in arse, sorry for swearing folks.

            • Miss Tia

              swear away! 🙂 Actually I’m seeing it on FB right now!! Whee!! I think i’ll retweet some of the previous #thestafflife i did before and come up with a few more!!

        • Panopea Abrupta

          Pity the poor feckers don’t get enough of the staff of life to sustain them.

          • Miss Tia

            well if you’re in $cientology, you certainly aren’t getting enough of the staff of life…you’re just getting THE STAFF!

        • marti

          #thestaphlife

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Perfecto. Captain Howdy’s “Wallet of Fire”.

      http://i.imgur.com/5UgOvo7.jpg

    • Scientology essentially consists of one auditing command run repetitively when you really get down to it.

      “Give me that money”

    • Obviously

      Troy MacGyver SP sent me this link yesterday:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUP7r5S6rRw

      • richelieu jr

        Wow, who knew Fred Phelps had a TV show?

    • SvenBoogie

      For some reason, every story lately makes me think of a simpsons moment…

      In response to the unexplained issues about clears picking up bodies mentioned, I immediately envisioned LRH’s answer…

  • aquaclara

    I’m sad that Jonny is taking a step away from the cult-watching world, but he so richly deserves time off. I love what he has done, and hope he continues writing and checking in.

    What a tremendous world this is where one individual, through his reporting and writing, can connect to many exes, probably some still-ins, never-ins, writers, indies and Anons and share so much when most of us have never even met.

    Thanks, Jonny.

  • AnonRedX

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    • AnonRedX

      The new list is ready at WWP

      Thank you Aegerprimo

      • Panopea Abrupta

        Done done done !

        Bien a ta douce.

  • Mark

    Jonny, je suis sûr que nous sommes tous désolés ici au Bunker, parce que tu seras «moins actif» avec Infinite Complacency à partir de maintenant. Bonne chance pour l’avenir!

    Jonny, I’m sure we’re all sorry here at the Bunker that you’ll be “less active” with Infinite Complacency from now on. Good luck for the future!

  • Sejanus

    I wonder if it ever occurred to someone to go in to auditing and just say at that moment they were no longer whatever their name was…put on a goofy voice and say they were Thetan Zontar or something like that. Would have been a good way to just bail and have the Co$ want you to GTFO.
    “Robert isn’t here right now. I am Zontar of the Galactic Rim Soldiers Fleet Omicron 17. You have lost foolish hoomahn. Our victory is nigh. Give us sugar and scotch.”
    How great would that be….lol

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Word is that since Lisa McPherson, anyone who is found to be seriously ill or remotely acts crazy (how in the hell this does not cover everyone on lines I don’t know) is kicked to the curb, can’t even come on Flag premises. Problem staff are shipped off to PAC in L.A. or worse. But it sure would be a fun way to go!

      • Panopea Abrupta

        There ya go.
        Miscavige will find his ass on the sidewalk.

        Or does it not work like that?

        • Dancing Cranberry

          Ha! Wouldn’t that be something? But no, I think dm gets a pass on ‘crazy’.

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            Hubbard interview @ 25:00 … Cue Gnarls Barkley’s “Do You Think I’m Crazy? in the background.
            http://youtu.be/L_w-YWwC1lI

            • Sarah James

              Yes you are crazy. You are the ultimate mad man of your time, now move over we got David Miscavige now.

            • GalacticGreg

              One of the few extended interviews with Hubbard. A compelling piece. England’s Granada Television’s ‘World in Action” production.
              And this interview e-v-i-s-c-e-r-a-t-e-s

            • TDA1541A

              His “Watcha talking bout Willis?”face

    • ze moo

      Second City TV did a Zontar bit long ago in the 70’s. It was much funnier then $cientology.

      • Sejanus

        Yes it was their go to alien name. They also used it with Conrad Bains brother Hank Bain being the emissary for Zontar and the cabbage leafed people…was hysterical.

    • chukicita

      I’m still waiting for some person around the age of 26 or 27 to show up at an org, march into the office they keep for LRH, light up a Kool and yell, “I’M BACK AND I’M MAD AS HELL!”

      • Sejanus

        Well call Ginger Central Casting and make it happen pronto…lol.

    • Dancing Cranberry

      I think that by the time you get to OTVII, your sense of humour has been cleared and audited out.

  • villagedianne

    There is an article in the Daily Mail about the Delphian School. It is a pretty good article but it gets some things wrong, like referring to “Sea Orgs”. Oh, and referencing the Underground Bunker as a “Scientology website”!!! Some great pictures of the school though, and a personal story from a non-Scientologist who went there for a year.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2581317/Picture-Exclusive-The-elite-Scientology-recruitment-school-Suri-Cruise-headed-feeds-kids-scraps-forces-sick-students-isolation-rooms-inflicts-humiliating-punishments.html

    • Jo

      It’s really remote. The comments are interesting.

      • BosonStark

        The two people wrote in claiming they were students there and everything was wonderful sound like OSA shills. One says, “I’m what they consider a ‘non-believer’.” So, is that the Delphian version of, “I’m not a Scientologist but…”? And who is they — the clams, Delphian School, the Mail Online?

        How well would a student at the Delphian School do if one of their students expressed the historically correct notion that L. Ron Hubbard was a fraud and liar, and that Xenu and Body Thetans are a load of BS?

        It seems pretty odd that a newspaper website based in England would attract the attention of two former students of such a tiny school in Oregon. I guess maybe the graduates of the Delphian School have their own Internet team with alerts set, so they can counteract the truth that they have such a startlingly low college entrance rate and a booming Sea Org entrance rate.

        Lauren Haggis, a daughter of Paul Haggis,
        said that Delphian is “on top of a hill in the middle of nowhere” and
        that she “lived in a giant bubble. Everyone I knew was a Scientologist.”

        So, now they are claiming that it’s an international school for exceptional students and is kind of like Narconon, little or nothing to do with Sciloontology.

        • Jo

          Yes, it’s def odd, also odd that they are no longer accepting comments on this article.

  • LeeAnneClark

    Whenever I look at photos of top-level Scientologists (such as Monday’s article about the whales), I can’t help but think, these folks spend hours holding cans and saying things to themselves like “Where is the next being? Say ‘Here’ when I ask the question Where are you? Where are you?”. They do this. And then they stand there in Oscar-style ball gowns and tuxes and feel all proud of themselves.

    It’s really hard to feel sorry for them.

    • Sir_Real

      I think the whales are mostly the highly narcissistic sort. Too bad they squander millions on this cult rather than donating to good causes.

      • Mooser

        If they donated to good causes, especially if the amounts indicated are true (which I don’t believe, is it a tax deductible contribution BTW) they would get certificated, plaqued, trophied, and feted a lot. Except that the fetes would be, well, diverse.

        • Panopea Abrupta

          It IS tax-deductible.
          Some of the Russians at Flag are using it to launder ill-gotten gains apparently.

          • Captain Howdy

            “Today Crimea..Tomorrow zee Church of Scientology!”

            Wouldn’t it be ironic if the Russian mafia took over the cult?

            • Mrs. V.

              Actually, I think it might be a safer cult if the Russian mafia ran it.

            • Sherbet

              Dave would have to switch to “wodka.”

            • Captain Howdy

              Dave would be in the RPF (Russia Project Force..of course) eating borscht and LRH’s long lost son Boris Hubbard would be Supreme Leader.

            • Panopea Abrupta

              Vat are your Crimeas?

            • Mooser

              Okay, those are all good jokes, but I’m still plotzed: It is tax deductible (503C) isn’t it?
              Makes me wonder sometimes, if death really has the jolly old sting they talk about.

            • GalacticGreg

              It is tax deductible.
              The amounts are no lie.
              To them, they don’t miss the $2.5 million whatever, as 1/10th 1 percenters have dozens and scores of millions.

            • Sherbet

              DM just googled “Boris Hubbard” to see if he’s for real. DM gets really nervous, you know.

            • richelieu jr

              How would you tell the difference?

          • richelieu jr

            Laundering ill-gotten gains to help Miscavige make and launder ill-gotten gains, to…. AIIIIIIEEEE!!!!

    • Saint

      Actually, when you put it like that, I laughed out loud. So ridiculous. I’ve mentally superimposed Dustin Hoffman’s Rainman character voice onto one of those prom dress whales, and she’s rocking back and forth and muttering “where is the next being? where is the next being. Say here. Say here. Say here when I ask the question where are you where are you where are you.”

      Is it appropriate to mention that the “cans” can be rather…odorous?

  • Dancing Cranberry

    I loved this section:
    The idea is that a BT, after having been handled on NOTs, becomes a freed, awake, and possibly Clear being that will go out into the environment and proceed to do good somehow. Many of them will “pick up” a body, so it was expected that there would be a tremendous number of young people growing up who would be
    unaberrated and generally more able than most people. The NOTs materials stated that there would be “torrents” of these beings being released into the society.

    So lrh thought the clear, released BTs would go out and do his missionary work for him? Hmm. On that he was wrong. On the other hand, maybe he was partly right. The clear BTs do go out and do some good. They stay
    clear of scientology, join the Bunker, join WWP, etc. and warn people of the evils of the CO$! Well done!

  • DamOTclese2

    For those truly annoying alien infestations, there’s OT7-away! (Now with more Borax!) Yes, for all your friggen money and your brain you can purchase OT7 and scrape them disgusting, unsightly aliens offa ya. Side effects include your friends and family thinking you’re a dumbass gullible moron, abject poverty, and even more alien infestations that are asleep and need to be waken up and scraped off with OT8 (sold separately.)

  • ze moo

    I am going to miss Jonny Jacobsen’s Infinite Complacency. His coverage of clam European affairs was excellent.

    Even in Slovakia being associated with $cientology is the kiss of death.

    http://spectator.sme.sk/articles/view/53356/10/ficos_government_subsidised_firm_with_scientology_ties.html

    Thank you Claire and Bruce for making the ‘courses’ understandable.

    • Tony Ortega

      It’s our gain. Jonny will continue to send his great dispatches to the Bunker.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        All the cool cats hang out here now.

      • richelieu jr

        Centralization is très tendance at the moment, dontcha know!

  • Natalia 2.0

    I felt a pang of sadness that we are reaching the end of the known bridge. It is so fun to J and D.

    • Captain Howdy

      Well, OT8 should be a humdinger seeing as how there’s all the questions as to the authenticity of both versions, and Hubbard supposedly calling Jesus a pedo and so on and so forth. Perhaps Tony will bring in Jon Atack to aid in the discussion. Also there’s the question of whether OT 9-15 exist.

      • 1subgenius

        And isn’t it purported to be a big “nevermind, you mocked it all up”?

        • Natalia 2.0

          I hate those cheap ol’ “It was all just a dream” endings!

          http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-QinYdf7o9ss/UMRJOTYVGKI/AAAAAAAABkU/Fxi0iCqQ22E/s400/wakeup.jpg

        • Sherbet
        • Captain Howdy

          Yea, Hubbard says “guess what kids? We were on the wrong path all along, but now I’ve discovered the right one, so follow me, weeeeee!”

          • Sherbet

            Well, where did you think DM got that line of reasoning?

          • GalacticGreg

            I think the end point is, “Now you know who you are not!”

            Gee, thanks! for my $400,000.00

            • Captain Howdy

              The trigger for the OT8 cognition is the line “the Pilot says: I’m mocking this up”. The desired End Phenomena is “Now that I know what I am not, I am ready to find out what I am”.

            • GalacticGreg

              F*cking arsehole that he was, Lafayette Ronald Hubbard, Sr.

          • TDA1541A

            Follow me i’m the pied piper,

        • Natalia 2.0

          (refresh)

      • Science Doc

        They do exist. In November 1985 I was having breakfast in the Denny’s in San Lois Obispo and noticed a fat old man with long stringy reddish-gray hair at the next booth. While I was finishing my coffee a young couple came in and told him it was time to go back to the ranch. I paid my bill a few minutes later and as I was walking out I saw that the old man had left a folder on his seat. The top sheet said Operating Thetan Level 8. Paging through them they went to Level 15 or 16. It was all about auditing body thetans off of fecal bacteria in your gut. Anyhow, I dumped the package in the trashcan on the way out the door, so the levels probably exist at the bottom of a landfill in central California.

        (Just kidding).

        • GalacticGreg

          You’re a bad dude, Dude.

    • Mooser

      “The end of the known bridge? Yes, it could be! L:et’s hope so!

      • ScooterLibbby

        I can never get enough of watching Galloping Gertie destroy itself, due to the arrogance of the engineers that designed the bridge.
        It wasn’t replaced until 1949, due to WWII.

        • Mooser

          “I can never get enough of watching Galloping Gertie destroy itself

          Would it add piquancy to your viewing if I told you I have to drive over the damn thing several times a week? Sweating bullets the entire time if there’s anything above a Zephyr., I won’t even whistle in the car, lest it be the breeze which breaks the bridge’s back.

          • ScooterLibbby

            Why are you scared?
            The original was destroyed by harmonic vibrations in the wind due to the girder sections being too short, because the engineers that designed it went for a lean look to the bridge & even in 1940, they didn’t understand harmonic vibrations that well.
            There had been a semi-organized move to leaner cross sections in those years.
            But the current bridge & its twin that’s less than 10 years old are over designed & built.

    • Sherbet

      Oh, there’s always plenty to J and D about, Natalia. The jokes practically write themselves.

  • Mark

    “When the path of the hurricane took it to the Florida panhandle and Georgia, of course all believed that it was because of all this solo auditing that had gone on. No one dared ask how that could possibly affect the path of a hurricane. Maybe the freed BTs all got together and pushed that mean ol’ hurricane away. Might make a fun shoop.

    Your wish, &c., Bruce. Introducing L. Ron Hurricane… (refresh):

    • Mrs. V.

      You need to start putting warnings in your posts when you show pictures. I am always afraid of throwing up all over my desk. 🙂

      • Sherbet

        You can always expect some kind of guffaw with Mark’s shoops.

    • Sherbet

      Mark, is there any truth to the rumor that the Original L. Ron Hubbard Memorial Underpants were repurposed as the Clearwater Sooper Powerz Megatent?

      • Mark

        You may remember my posts about their journey from the UK to Clearwater last year, after they were removed for the first time in decades from their special climate-controlled repository at Saint Hill Manor and entrusted to the East Grinstead Bagwash & Hand Laundry. Mysteriously, nothing has been seen of them since then – draw your own conclusions…

        • Sherbet

          By God, you’re onto something, Mark!

          • Mark

            I think they’ve been squirrelled away (pun intended) at one of DM’s secret underground vaults.

        • Panopea Abrupta

          EDITOR’s note:
          Entrusted or encrusted?
          He was full of … oh dammit, too much

          • Sherbet

            Hey, hey, hey, some of us are eating, here, Pano! Blech. But funny.

          • Jimmy3

            You beat me to that one.

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          I had always heard that the LRHMU were striped. Or is that just Urban Legend?

          • Mark

            Possibly there are other, secret, higher-level LRH underpants that have yet to be revealed.

          • Obviously

            probably just the one stripe… or is that what you meant?

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              Stripes or skid marks… that’s what I heard.

        • Jimmy3

          I think you meant “encrusted”

    • Sarah James

      I know it says “see more” but I’ve seen enough. 🙂

      • Mark

        You should have seen some of the horrors that popped up in Googlehearsay after I typed in “fat man bending over” 😉

        • Sherbet

          I’ll pass, thankyouverymuch.

          • Saint

            Better you than LRH.

        • I will resist the temptati . . . OH DAMN IT!

          • Mark

            I did warn you…

    • joan nieman

      Ha ha! That is priceless!

    • richelieu jr

      The original ‘Sue-More’ wrestler!

      • Mark

        Groan! 😉
        In the background, there’s an out-of-focus figure just distinguishable to the right and behind the would-be al fresco Sumo-fan: I’d guess they’re wearing a grey top and blue jeans. I don’t think I need to guess at the mixture of horror and disbelief that was probably on their face at the time…

    • Bruce Hines

      Yes, I call that a fun shoop!

  • Mooser

    After all the confusion, contention (which ended for me in a contusion when I fell) over AOL I want to make sure I have this right: “Solo Auditing” is the, uh,…’activity’ of ‘auditing yourself’ by holding both cans in one hand?
    And then the amazing action-at-a-distance e-meter measurement thingies go out one can, go wherever the whatever-it-is they are supposed to measure (or ‘indicate’, I’m easy) are (the “thetans?) and then turns around, goes back to the same hand, out the other can, and on to the dial? (As, if I have it right “regulated” by the “tone arm”) Is that how it works?

  • Miss Tia

    Adding #thestafflife to haiku now because apparently they want this tag to themselves. It’s mostly for instagram, but they were using it on twitter too….let’s see how long they keep it now 🙂

    With each new release
    Claim tech is totally pure
    Until the next one
    @scientology #haiku #thestafflife #fraud #cult

    No holy relics?
    Why doesn’t church sell L. Ron’s
    Hair, nail clippings, pills?
    @scientology #haiku #thestafflife #IdeaForYou #HolyToeNails

    Sell L. Ron’s ashes!
    What a way to raise cash, eh?
    Better than gilt cup!
    @scientology #haiku #thestafflife #Worthless

    Have niblet’s grotto
    Scotch waterfall, cigarettes
    audit tapes to watch
    @scientology #haiku #AuditPorn #MoneyMakingIdea #thestafflife

    niblet of COB’s bar
    All booze is scotch and no food
    You pay for his drinks
    @scientology #haiku #drunk #MoneyMakingIdea #thestafflife

    [TXCowgirl found this on Instagram]
    Take a free stress test
    Sign a billion year contract
    $cientology
    @scientology #haiku #thestafflife #fraud #cult

    Lots of schadenfreude
    The only thing $ci church gives
    Thanks a lot for that!
    @scientology #haiku #thestafflife #schadenfreude

    Triangles with snake
    Shows you’ll be trapped and bitten
    Apt symbol for church
    @scientology #haiku #thestafflife #Snakes #GetOut

    Watch 60 Minutes
    Marty is telling the world
    Truths about $ci Church
    @scientology #MartyRathbun #haiku #thestafflife @60Minutes #watch

    Real military
    Ensures troops stay connected
    With family, $cis don’t
    @scientology #haiku #thestafflife #isolate #brainwash #disconnection

    Real troops stay in touch
    Home after tours, calls, emails
    $ci fake troops cut off
    @scientology #haiku #thestafflife #disconnection #slaveorg

    niblet’s Kool-Aid stand
    Turning more toxic daily
    Spit it out and RUN!
    @scientology #haiku #thestafflife #Run #Jonestown

    $ci church thought police
    Family and friends narc you out
    Can’t express your thoughts
    @scientology #haiku #thestafflife #BigBrother #narcs

    Living in bubble
    Air is getting very stale
    Open the hatch, BREATHE!
    @scientology #haiku #thestafflife #GetOut

    An exclusive club
    Member cards, security
    But it’s NOT a church
    @scientology #haiku #thestafflife #NotAChurch

    Pay a lot of cash
    Events all about new buildings
    Nothing ’bout people
    @scientology #haiku #thestafflife #WakeUp

    First Church of Money
    That should be the $ci church name
    If they told the truth
    @scientology #haiku #thestafflife #truth #money

    Pass the popcorn please
    Things are getting really good
    There’s also some caek
    @scientology #haiku #thestafflife #popcorn #cake

    NOT clearing planet
    Nothing is done for others
    Opposite real church
    @scientology #haiku #thestafflife #worthless #fraud

    Enturbulate PLEASE!
    Misuse #thestafflife today
    Spread truth ’bout $ci church
    @scientology #haiku #enturbulate #SoTheta

    Isolates members
    Church uses their own language
    Keeps real world at bay
    @scientology #haiku #thestafflife #brainwashing

    [i had done some haiku when Jo first told me they were voting on a tag, and i saw it was leaning towards #thestafflife, these are repeats of those—once i find them in my little notebook, plus others i feel are applicable for them to read….]

    Let’s deny them tag!
    $ci London wants #thestafflife
    For their use only!
    @scientology @scientology_ldn #haiku #NotSoFast

    If $ci London thought,
    They should have made private page
    That BlackRob could join
    @scientology @scientology_ldn #haiku #thestafflife

    #thestafflife is this:
    Lie, fake it and just pretend
    Don’t want a sec check
    @scientology @scientology_ldn #haiku #truth

    Limits on your friends?
    And limits on your life too?
    No church should do that!
    @scientology @scientology_ldn #haiku #thestafflife

    You’re isolated
    From reality, family
    And your bank account
    @scientology @scientology_ldn #haiku #thestafflife #GetOut

    If the tech is great
    Why must you hide from others?
    Can’t front nothing
    @scientology @scientology_ldn #haiku #thestafflife

    Hey Sea Org! Call this
    1-866-X-Sea-Org
    They’ll help you escape!
    @scientology #haiku #thestafflife #humantrafficking

    • Natalia 2.0

      I think you have killed that particular hashtag on Twitter. Critic use of it outnumbers Sci staff use of it at about 18:1 right now 🙂

      • Miss Tia

        YEAH!!!! and I notice my keyboard did the skip 3 keys trick with that one haiku—should be confront nothing…..doh! That’s what i get for not checking what i type and having a 16+ year old keyboard! 😀

        KILL THE HASHTAG!!! DONE!!!!

        • I see some Scientology people are still using it. 🙂 Slow learners. 🙂

  • Jon Hendry

    Tangent: The two aliens on the right side of that cover are copied from a photograph of two weird bug-eyed fish, I think from a National Geographic. It’s giving me flashbacks to my youth. Those fish always freaked me out a little.

    • Panopea Abrupta

      They are piranhas – very apposite for the C of $

      • Jon Hendry

        Piranhas would be appropriate, but I’m pretty sure they were some kind of deep-sea or cave fish. Piranhas don’t have such bulbous, protruding eyes.

        I actually have an on-disk collection of Nat. Geographics back to the 1800s, but no DVD drive in my computer anymore, so I can’t track it down.

  • Panopea Abrupta
    • Dancing Cranberry

      Thank you, Panopea. Heading over there now.

    • jeff

      Looks like a new brand of LSD.

  • Sid_Snakey

    I remember Geir Isene once writing about something which had bothered him, which is (IIRC) that there should be millions of bodies by now walking around, inhabited by a thetan who was formerly a BT. These thetans would find themselves in an Org, getting audited, and the auditing would show that they were a BT, proving Hubbard the greatest genius who ever lived.

    Which, surprise, hasn’t happened.

    • ze moo

      The whole Body Thetan thing has always been a logical conundrum. We are all immortal spiritual beings who are trillions of years old, but we loose our trillion year memories when our bodies die and we go the implant stations on mars or venus. What happened to our ‘thetans’ before mars and venus were formed and the ‘invader forces’ put their implant stations there? Why aren’t there clean thetans who were never here before to be implanted? Where did the original ‘thetans’ come from? Some mystery sandwiches can’t be digested.

      $cientology doesn’t have the logical consistency of a Godzilla vs Mothra movie. Hell, even Battlefield Earth was more logical.

      Last nights Cosmos was about natural and unnatural selection. I wonder how the creationists are feeling about that? Will they fair game and black pr Tyson?

    • RMycroft

      Or even just people walking into an org, finding out that they were a Scientologist previously, and *pop* being credited with all their old levels, and maybe their money on account. Heh.

  • 1subgenius

    Life without Scientology department: Katie Holmes starring with Jeff Bridges and Meryl Streep.

    http://www.eonline.com/news/522708/the-giver-trailer-premieres-watch-katie-holmes-jeff-bridges-and-meryl-streep-in-action

    Hey Tom, how’s it goin’? Where’s your thetan now?

    • Captain Howdy

      “When Jonas is tapped for the life assignment as the Receiver of Memory, he meets the previous receiver, aka The Giver, who gives him the power of knowledge, including dark secrets contained within his engineered utopia. Jonas is now faced with a decision: Does he stay in this
      shallow, terrifying community, or run away to the real world and face uncertain danger?”

      I’m betting that Katie aced this audition.

      • 1subgenius

        Not so shabby co-stars.
        Remind me what great actors work with Tom lately?

        • Eivol Ekdal

          umm..give me a minute…

          • Eivol Ekdal

            …nope ..nuthin’

            • Natalia 2.0

              That was 16 minutes even!

            • Sherbet

              Well, he gets to hang with Connor at his DJ gigs. Does that count?

    • Jo

      I love Jeff Bridges, he inspired a cool cult that has more members than scientology http://dudeism.com/ http://youtu.be/p6z0Zay9itk

      • Mooser

        “he inspired a cool cult that has more members than scientology”

        What on earth? As far as I know, bowling was much more popular when I was a kid, way before that movie.

  • Three years?! Tony, any more comments like that and you are going to be called “quickie” by DM & Co. 10 years is more like it. Jeannie Sonenfield (nee Franks, Bogvad) had been on it for at least 25 years last I knew, though she was only kept on the level by DM because he needed to keep an eye on her out in the Cincy area. She was a real capable, powerful woman at one time but I imagine 25 years of introversion would cut anyone down to size. By the way, Ray Mithoff told me once that you had to spend a minimum of 250 hours on the level to even be considered t obe done. How did they come up with that arbitrary figure? By counting up the total time LRH spent on Solo NOTs. A nice arbitrary if I ever heard of one. Throughout the entirety of one’s progress in Scn it is hammered into you that time is an arbitrary and just a consideration and the source of aberration. Then when you make it to the penultimate step of the Bridge you are enslaved to time. For a long time. Also, LRH specifically wrote that if one was chugging along okay on Solo that nothing should interfere with that. Whatever else one wants to say about DM, he is one clever criminal. He has a lot of chickens out there to come home to roost one day.

    • Tony Ortega

      Bruce and I decided it would be best to stay on the conservative side of things, so no one could accuse us of exaggerating the costs. But yes, I think most people spend far longer. Thanks for those details.

      • Yeah, I will share what I know.

        • Captain Howdy

          Thanks

    • Bruce Hines

      Hey Dan, one ironic thing about this. In 1988, someone was needed to compile the New OT 8 materials, and someone was needed to train and case supervise the trainees who would hold the tech posts on the ship. So Ray Mithoff and Jeff Walker, logically, were chosen for these tasks. This meant that they had to “complete” New OT VII. With a whole lot of time pressure. You would probably know better than me, but how often did you see either Ray or Jeff on enhancement time? I know Jeff attested after way less than 250 hours. I’m pretty sure the same was true for Ray.

    • DodoTheLaser

      Jeanie sure got lots of 6 month (sec) checks. I worked with her, directly and indirectly for 8 + years.
      We also were family friends. My son and her son were best friends since they were 5 years old.
      It’s been 3 years now, since they were forced to disconnect. Hope it will change some day soon.

  • Jon Hendry

    Three years would probably get you derided as a “six pump chump”

  • Jimmy3

    Silently, telepathically, and conceptually, the Pre-OT is supposed to say, “Where is the next being? Say ‘Here’ when I ask the question Where are you? Where are you?”

    So, what I’m getting from this is that you can only remove your dumbest BTs? Any BT with a shred of common sense is going to clam up when you start asking “where are you?” No wonder Scientology doesn’t work. They need a better method for finding BTs if they really want to get rid of them all.

    • Natalia 2.0

      (refresh)

      • Jimmy3

        Hah

    • Mooser

      “They need a better method for finding BTs if they really want to get rid of them all.”

      That makes monkey’s who pick lice off and groom each other smarter than Scientologists auditing each other! Well, I’m pretty sure “auditing” is pretty much of a monkey-see-monkey-do process, anyway, so who’s to say. Not me.

    • Ah but see if they Tone 40 command their alien infestations to speak up, they have to, you know.

      Works all the time with ash trays.

  • Ruby

    The idea one gets from reading the NOTS materials is that any and all “issues” a person has are able to be handled by auditing the level. Thus you have a never ending potential for auditing. I know of a woman who was going thru menopause when she was on OT7. Geesh! Talk about aches, body changes, hot flashes, emotions and such. She was made to address these as part of auditing, as if they would magically go away by going into session. Well, maybe years later these things would go away, but only because they eventually do (hopefully) and not because going in session changed her hormone levels. It makes me sad to think of all the time and money she spent attributing a natural cycle in one’s life to entities that needed to be exorcised.

    • Sarah James

      That is so Dianetics. You don’t have a problem, even when you do.

  • chukicita

    But, wait! Why audit BTs off, leaving them to pollute someone else? Why don’t we use the same kind of ‘electronic beam’ that Xenu used to round up all these extracurricular thetans to begin with? Then we could load ’em on DC-8s and send them back where they came from!

    • “You are trying to understand madness with logic. This is not unlike searching for darkness with a torch. ”

      – Jervis Tetch (Mad Hatter)

      • Mooser

        It easy to find dorkness with a torch! He’ll be the guy who set his own hair on fire.

    • ze moo

      Better yet, do an after midnight body thetan remover commercial. Just get one of those no-no things, put bright ugly stickers on them and sell to the clams. Ok, there are only 10k clams left, but remember the indie market. You’ll be buying your yacht and mansion in sunny Florida real quick. Or you’ll be indicted by the FDA. One of those things will happen…….Postulate away……

      • aquaclara

        Why isn’t there a SHAM WOW for body-thetan-removal, you mean? Perfect. The WISE crowd will be all over this.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Miscavige gloated about his TV studio at the L.A. event. I am so hoping that he really does it. The infomercials will be a huge hit. A lulz fest in the making. And if you don’t call the number at the bottom of the screen in the next 15 minutes….

          Knock Knock.

      • Mooser

        “And as we all know, body thetans express themselves as unwanted hair or cellulite….”
        LRH

        • richelieu jr

          Shit, Krusty is gonna spend a LOOOONG time on this level…

    • Science Doc

      The Electro-Trap from Ghostbusters might be available.

      • chukicita

        That’s IT!!!!

      • richelieu jr

        Every time I see the opening with BIll Murray shocking the nerdy guy and complimenting the cute girl as if she were psychic I think of the e-meter…

        In fact, truth be told, that’s where I got the idea for the ads I made that got CoS and their lawyers on my ass…

        • Science Doc

          Back off man, I’m a scientist! All time favorite line.

    • Deport Body Thetans to Mexico! Or some place unoccupied like New Jersey.

  • Argh! I have to go to work. Don’t say anything funny till I get back, okay Bunker? I don’t want to miss anything 😉

    • Mooser

      Okay, I’ve got to go out to the ‘fiber-recycling’ place and dump a load of cuttings. The Moosette said it must be done by noon, today, no more cheap excuses. Later.

      Although, gosh, I must say things have picked up lately, news thick and fast, revelations everywhere!

    • GalacticGreg

      I exactly know that feeling so often, Nat2 ~

    • “Two Body Thetans find themselves in a bar. One of them says to the other, Why the sad face. The other replies, I found out I’m being audited” — from the comments. 🙂

  • Science Doc

    One Year Anniversary as a Daily Reader of The Bunker

    Every year in mid March I take a few days off and travel to a special and very quiet place to enjoy some downtime. Last year I was just googling some things up for light reading and I found The Bunker. I had read Tony previously on the VV (I especially enjoyed reading the annual “20 People Who are Hurting Scientology” features). I’ll misremember some of this, but I remember when Tony was leaving VV but I didn’t immediately follow him over to here. Anyhow, this week last year I found The Bunker while sitting in a hotel room with several hours to kill, and I was hooked. I think I read an entire month’s posts that day, and I formed the habit of reading every day since (and on good days twice). It was much later when I started posting on the comments.

    Thank you Tony!

    • Mooser

      When I was looking at the ALICUBLOG blog roll, way down at the bottom was listed “The Underground Bunker” Naturally, I was incensed, as we all know who it was that an Underground Bunker don’t we? I was Fuherious! Talk about Liberal Fascism!
      So I clicked it, and it turned out to be something completely different, and I am very glad of that. And Tony’s writing, and his choices are always great. And the comment section! More fun than a barrel of,….oh yeah, yard waste. I better go dump it.

      • Tony Ortega

        I didn’t realize that Roy links here. What a guy. He’s one of my favorite writers of all time.

        • Drat

          Tony, is there any chance of doing a series on the PTS/SP – How to Confronmt and Shatter Suppression course, similar to the Bridge series you did with Claire and Bruce? I never did the course and a recent comment on how Scientologists behave when faced with an SP got me wondering what the course was actually about and what the whole “shattering” bit involved.

          • Tony Ortega
            • Drat

              Thanks, I should have checked first. Well, now I know why the shattering bit isn’t working – it won’t until they find a hole big enough to put us all in.

            • Mooser

              What might work is to throw a cup of cold water in their face and then say: “Thanks, you needed that!”

            • Obviously

              Corny, but made me laugh!

            • richelieu jr

              Jeez, I hope they find those upper OT levels soon, or we’ll get less of these treats..
              This stuff is like crack for me now…

        • Mooser

          There you are, at the bottom of the roll. And don’t think I haven’t been flogging the link over there every chance I get in the comment section. (Wait a minute, the comment count has actually gone down since I got here! Okay, forget I said that!)

          • joan nieman

            Oh Mooser! It is a pleasure to read your comments.

            • Mooser

              “Oh Mooser! It is a pleasure to read your comments.

              It is? Wow, thanks! That’s very kind, joan. Sometimes I laugh from the moment I begin typing a comment until the moment I finish. Maybe I should try reading them, too.

  • aquaclara

    Bruce, you’ve left us dangling here. You started on New OT 7 in 1983, and stayed on it for 12 whole years?
    Plus, this was followed by 6 years on the RPF???? And then you decided to leave?

    I would love to know what this was like for you. 12 years of chasing away invisible body thetans, spending furiously and enduring sec checks throughout….but this has to pale in comparison to 6 years in the RPF. I can’t wrap my head around this. And somehow, you managed to shake all this off, and decide to leave.

    Write your bio sometime, ok? You are smart and funny, even after all the crap that was shoveled over you in all those crazy years. What a tremendous escape story this is. You won.

    • Captain Howdy

      And on top of all that he went back to school and got a degree in physics.

      • aquaclara

        Wow, that’s filled with all kinds of delicious irony.
        Replacing faux galaxian studies with mind-bending real stuff. A brilliant mind like that, and Davey’s fine management ability shunts him off to the RPF…A real diploma, recognized everywhere, vs. the frame-of-the-month club and goldenrod copy paper rulings, recognized nowhere.

        (Nice, Bruce).

        • Captain Howdy

          He teaches physics at a university.

          • Science Doc

            Bruce works with SQUID magnetometers.

            • aquaclara

              More irony, with frosting this time!
              Specializing in meaningful equipment vs the the EZ Banke Oven and soup cans.
              Uses incredibly complex real math.
              Real measures of time, instead of made-up bullshit.

            • Science Doc

              Yes, we might expound on that a little. I’m sure Bruce has had enough of e-meters but if I was building one that I would claim was 10,000 X more sensitive than the previous one I would claim I was measuring flux quanta with a SQUID instead of some BS DC resistance measurement with a Wheatsone Bridge. Plus I could charge several hundred thou per meter plus regular cryogen servicing.

            • Mooser

              Oh, c’mon, this is the 21st-and-a-half Century! I’d have a wall size flatscreen, with a full body, external and internal sensor set up (available in PC or Mac versions, with apps for your I-Phone) that displays all body and mental functions in 3D full color.
              All of ’em, even the ones you don’t want to see, or your Mom to see.

            • Bruce Hines

              I’m impressed that you even know the terms “flux quanta” and “SQUID” and that they have anything to do with each other!

            • Robert Eckert

              Hey, I know that you need 1.21 gigawatts in your flux capacitor!

            • Bruce Hines

              lol!

            • Science Doc

              Hi Bruce. 40 + years in science.

            • Bruce Hines

              : )

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Northing ordinary about this one. It really is one of those stories that keep you hanging chapter after chapter. It’s all so unbelievable and remarkable at the same time.

      • GalacticGreg

        Fuuuuuuuuuck! Bruce- you rock!!

    • Bruce Hines

      Thanks! I feel that I DID win! It’s all a long story. Maybe one of these days …

  • Jimmy3

    BRUCE: In 1985 there was a hurricane in the Gulf of Mexico that could possibly move to Clearwater. Somehow word got out that the solo NOTs auditors should audit as much as possible, which would somehow avert this catastrophe. When the path of the hurricane took it to the Florida panhandle and Georgia, of course all believed that it was because of all this solo auditing that had gone on. No one dared ask how that could possibly affect the path of a hurricane. Maybe the freed BTs all got together and pushed that mean ol’ hurricane away. Might make a fun shoop.

    Are there more examples of this? I mean, not limited to solo auditing or hurricanes, but any other disaster or event that Scientologists believed they affected, caused or prevented?

    • Ruby

      They claim credit for the taking down of the Berlin Wall.

      • Gabbyone

        And putting up the Great Wall of China.

        • Mooser

          No Viagra for them, they can always…

    • 1subgenius

      But I’m guessing we’d never be able to document all the times they failed.

    • Semper Phi

      Remember Hurricane Charley in 2004? It seemed to be headed straight for Tampa Bay but then made a sharp turn to the east and laid waste to Fort Myers and up through central Florida. I heard people take credit for that turn that kept it away from the Tampa area. {All the theta due to Flag being there and all the OTs working on it protected the only area in Florida that really matters. To hell with the rest of the state.}

      • Jimmy3

        Sounds like they are well practiced at steering hurricanes.

        • Panopea Abrupta

          Hurricane Mosey is proving a major challenge.

          • Mooser

            Isn’t there a National Weather Service site where you can suggest names for hurricanes as they move through the alphabet….?

      • DodoTheLaser

        “To hell with the rest of the state.” ROFL! That’s right, they can make it go right next lifetime!

    • Panopea Abrupta

      Moxon Moxoff’s wife recently claimed prevention of an alien attack on DC.
      There was video of the speech.
      Dumber than this, you …

      • Jimmy3

        That’s right, they blew up the alien’s ship. That was great.
        “Dumber than this, you …”?

      • richelieu jr

        Like I said, laugh at the Anti-Dragon League, but how many dragons have you seen lately?

    • Obviously

      The various re-re-re-openings and whatnot recently in LA?

    • Bruce Hines

      I seem to remember hearing of this in relation to the Christofferson court case in 1985 and the Wollersheim case in 1986. People were told to do a lot of solo auditing. If nothing else, it increased the statistic of “well done auditing hours.” Tony did a series on the “Advance” magazines a while ago. I remember one of those “OT phenomena” stories where a guy claimed that he had changed the weather pattern of Phoenix, Arizona, by auditing beings who were running weather-control machines there. These machines had been installed eons ago to keep the Phoenix weather cloud-free so it could be used as a space port. The guy said that after he had done that, Phoenix started getting significantly more rain. Well, I don’t want to invalidate him, but it’s pretty easy to check records of precipitation.

      • grundoon

        Advance! issue 19 – Phoenix for many years has been hot, dry desert country with mountains that are fascinating to me and my family.

        One night we decided to take a trip up to the mountains. We climbed, using flashlights, and finally reached a peak where we could see all the lights of Phoenix spread in a wide vista before us.

        Then we sat down on the rocks to look at the beautiful scene and get in communication with the beings in the area.

        By getting in communication with the beings we discovered some weather controlling machines that were installed in each mountain peak around the valley that is Phoenix. They were installed there eons ago to assure fair weather for the space port which was in operation there at the time.

        By auditing the beings running them, we knocked out all those machines. And Phoenix has been having rain or floods ever since. The whole desert is turning into lush greenery.

        Thanks to Ron for the tech to be OT. One can only be OT by making the data his own and using it to the fullest. — Rod Martin, OT

        http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/2012/02/scientologys_ot.php

      • Jimmy3

        Wow. I did not know that Phoenix was once a spaceport! I’ll have to go back and read that series. Thank you for the reply.

  • AnonRedX
  • 3feetback-of-COS

    I don’t yet have the punchline, but…..

    So, these two body thetans find themselves in a bar…. ………

    • Science Doc

      One of them says to the other, “Why the sad face”. The other replies, “I just found out I’m being audited”.

      • That almost fits in a tweet! “Two Body Thetans find themselves in a bar. One of them says to the other, Why the sad face. The other replies, I found out I’m being audited” fits. 🙂 Just

        • Mooser

          This really warms my heart, to see people so devoted to the right to humor life. It’s a joke, not a choice! And every one that gets conceived should be delivered!

    • Jo

      If you were a bogey, I would pick you first.

    • richelieu jr

      ..and the bar says, ‘Good news, everybody! I just went clear!”

    • richelieu jr

      .. and the second one says to the first– “You know? You were a real pain in the neck!”

    • richelieu jr

      .. and the second one says to the first– “Why are you looking at me like that? You look like you’ve just seen a ghost?

    • richelieu jr

      … and the first one says, “I’ve got a project in development”

      “Oh really? Who’s attached?”

    • richelieu jr

      … One says to the other, “So, I’ve been hanging out with Kirsty Alley…”

      “Oh really, well don’t get to attached!”

    • richelieu jr

      .. the first one says to the second, “So, I saw Jesus the other day.”

      And the second says, “Really? I’m not into 3D.”

    • Missionary Kid

      One says to the other, “You should see the body I was attached to!”

      And the second one says, “You’re lucky. I was attached to Kirstie Alley.”

  • Science Doc

    The OTVIII is Grrreat! blog has a comedic post (aren’t they all) implying that 60 Minutes is doing something on COB/CoS this Sunday. Anyone know what’s up? I can’t find anything although I know 60 Minutes Australia did something recently.

    • Drat

      Coming Sunday, 7.30pm local time.

  • Wow, thanks Bruce and Tony. This is fascinating and the best one so far in this series. I had no idea that’s how the 6 month checks came about.

  • Panopea Abrupta

    RED-X

    Clusters of scam spam ads have been located through telepathy.
    A little solo-auditing of them will tie them in NOTS

    https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-63#post-2436569

    ty ap

  • outraged

    Sunday, 60 Minutes. Enemy Number Uno!! Knows all the DARKEST secrets!!

    http://youtu.be/HatKJunQE-o

    • Sherbet

      Not CBS 60 Minutes, correct?

      • outraged

        BBC?

        • Sherbet

          Thanks, outraged.

      • Sir_Real

        No but I wish CBS would follow suit, soon. It is still one of the highest rated shows on American TV, would be great exposure. Hope to catch the Oz version if it becomes available.

  • TDA1541A

    “Hubbard thought that there were a lot of stuck BTs in or on oneself or one’s body in layer upon layer upon layer.”

    Checking into crazy town forgood wasn’t he ?

    • Panopea Abrupta

      Checked into ?

      He was the bloody Lord Mayor, Guardian of the Temple, Prime Burgher (Whopper), Keeper of the Keys,
      Honoured Alien in Residence and Treasurer Most Inestimable.

      • TDA1541A

        Well at first he knew it was a con he played on others but gradually he conned himself untill he was finnally yelling at Body Thethans hiding in the stables at his hide out.

      • TDA1541A

        disqus ate my reply: In short First he still knew he was conning others but in the end he had himself conned.

        Or he suffered from Alzheimers in the end.

  • TDA1541A
    • Captain Howdy

      Hmmmm, this kinda reminds me of somethin’.

  • Helen Van Patterson Patton

    Can anyone tell me about “Incidents”? I think there is a “bubble gum incident” and a “gorilla incident” that hubbard wrote about… I thought they’d be mentioned somewhere in these upper levels. Is it yet to come or has Tony already covered them and I missed it?

    • The gorilla incident is non-confidential and outlined somewhere in the tech vols. Not sure about the bubble gum incident but it may be as well.

      • Eivol Ekdal

        Bubble Gum is in the tech dict – “first incident with words”

      • Helen Van Patterson Patton

        Interesting about them being non-confidential. I just assumed since they were so whacky (and that’s saying a lot when you’re talking about scientology), that they’d be found only in the “top secret” levels. Thanks for the info.

      • Doloras LaPicho
    • Tory Christman

      Per Hubbard’s “Tech Dictionary” here is the definition of “Incidents”: “an experience, simple or complex, related by the same subject, locations, perceptions,or people that take place in a short and finite period such as minutes, hours or days, also, mental image pictures of such experiences”. So yes, Hubbard did “create” a bunch of incidents he SAID we ALL experienced. (Saying we ALL have “Reactive Minds” which contain mental image pictures …when the end is “I realized *I* am just creating this”…seriously SUCKS. Second biggest Evaluation: “OT 3″…that we ALL experienced that BS.) I got into $cientology in 1969…and “The Bridge to Total Freedom” had already been drawn up, basically saying ALL of us *needed* each of these BS levels.

      A little more, sorry so long, but some may find this interesting:

      Alan Walter (a HUGE Mission holder in the day, then left after the awful “Mission Holders Conference” in the 80’s as “Dave” Took over) told me: “In the ‘old days’….PRE “The Bridge” you would just take someone in session, ask what they had their attention on, and run processes related to *that*. People had MUCH bigger “wins” or successes that way”.

      My experience is that early on one is grooved into (with Dianetics) that you HAVE a Reactive mind, filled with these “Mental image pictures of incidents that have effected you”. When you run out (talk about) the pain in your leg…and it doesn’t “F/N” the “Tech” is to ASK for an Earlier Similar incident. “Is there an earlier similar incident?” This can go on, and on and ON. So my experience is not consciously, but Unconsciously *I* began to C R E A T E “Incidents” …separate from what Hubbard wrote about….things I THOUGHT I was part of…in earlier life times.

      For me it was “Epilepsy” and since L Ron Hubbard himself had written to me telling me I was right, these people who were ORDERING Me to pay a “Free loaders Debt”, were wrong. I only had to pay for Staff Status 1 and 2 (which I had done), continue getting auditing in the HGC, and we’ll see you up the line”.

      I got into Scientology with one purpose; To help others.
      This one letter changed my goals from becoming a Class 8 auditor and helping others
      to
      I **Have** to handle “Epilepsy”…ie: Get rid of it, via auditing~!
      IT was AWFUL, and thus EVERRRRRRRRRRRRRY auditing level after that (1972) was
      TRYING to “Fix” or get rid of Epilepsy.
      ARGH!!

      Exps: I was sure I must have been ~electrocuted~ in an earlier life and that was why I
      got Epilepsy at 18. When I did have seizures, before my Mom insisted I get back on my medication that DAY and my Doctor call her and tell her I AM back on my medication
      OR
      “L Ron Hubbard and $cientology will NEVER Forget YOUR MOTHER” (1972 or ’73)…
      Since when I would come out of a Grand Mal Seizure I was ***totally*** blank. I knew nothing,
      could not recognize *a* thing…I began thinking some space aliens would capture me, take me s/where, download all of my “hard drive”/Brain….to study, and then shoot me back to Earth.

      Hey! It made sense to ME. 🙂 LOL Oh gawd….so that is what Incidents are.
      Hope it helps some 🙂
      Love to ALL!
      Tory/Magoo

      • Obviously

        Hi Tory! Epilepsy? Me too, since early 20’s. Luckily during my blank periods I’ve never had visions of space aliens, or sugar plums, or anything else really… my family tells me I just keep asking for directions between home, school, and work. My time frame keeps shifting though, so they just tell me “You take the bus, it’s really easy,” and that keeps me happy for a few minutes till I ask again. Weird, funny, and a major drag (just had a gm a couple of weeks ago at my corner market, where everyone knows me — distinct plusses and minuses), but at least I’ve never had anyone tell me it was something I needed to “fix” (wtf?).

        • Tory Christman

          Interesting, Obviously! Well, were you ever “in” $cientology? My guess is: No. I was, and to quote Shawn Connery in “The Untouchables”: “There lies the difference” 🙂

          Also, do you take medication for Epilepsy? Thankfully my Mom did help me, insisting I get back on my much needed medication $cientology was TRYING to say I did not need…(in fact back then, ordering me to get off). So since 1972 I have not had seizures, except in 1979 when I completed OT 3 and thus *thought* I must have handled the source of Epilepsy—so I began to cut down my medication.

          When I began going into “Status Epileptus” (Multiple Grand Mal Seizures) thankfully I some how KNEW ****NOT*** to call a hard corp $cientologist. (I would have ended up just as Lisa McPherson–as they would have driven me out to a $cientology Dr).

          So I called someone I knew was “on the Fence” and I yelled into the Phone:
          “JERRY GET OVER HERE *NOW*!” Last words I remember.
          I came out of it at Morton Plant Hospital (close to me, next to Flag) with Drs Telling
          me: “Had you waited any longer, you would have died”. It was close. I never, ever agreed to get off of my medication, again, despite YEARS of fighting C of $.

          I had an “Indie” the other day try to tell me how I needed to get off of my medication.
          Guess what? I deleted him from SKYPE. NO THANK YOU!!
          My best to you, Observer 🙂

          • MaxSpaceman

            Tory, how many years were you still in, ‘while’ taking medication? You had to battle each month of each year wouldn’t you, as they don’t want their members to be taking medication, yes? How does that work.?
            :->)

            • Tory Christman

              I joined in 11969. I joined the Sea Org in 1971 or 2. I was “in” the Sea org for 6 months before I ran out of my medication. Once I did, they sent me to the MLO (Medical Liaison Officer…….some BULLSHIT kid w/ a title and zero medical training) who told me “We are the 10% of the planet and we do NOT take drugs, so you will have to get off of your medication. We’ll put you on a program to fix it all with Dianetics, vitamins and minerals.”

              After months of Grand Mal seizures and losing my short term memory, that’s when my Mom, thank Gawd, jumped in and literally saved my life. (Another Epileptic followed their “no medication” and is D E A D. << SAD, and true.

              I fought them and their BS "Tech" from 1972-2000 when I escaped OUT. In the 1989 I was "Ordered off of the Flag Land Base" by another moronic kid, who took ONE look at my "Ethics folder' and said: "YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED ON THE FLAG LAND BASE".
              ((This was after years of volunteer work for the Sea Org, AND having paid thousands for OT 4-8)). I found out later the guy w/ Epilepsy who had died did so there, just a few months before me.

              I fought that…using the Taxi Cab Driver's "you talkin' to ME?" Looking around. It worked. He finally got the D of P, (Director of Processing—head of auditing/counseling) who agreed I was allowed on. Bill Yaude was then my auditor and was doing Security Checking pre OT 4. He said one day: "now we're going to sec check Epilepsy". I handed him the cans and said: "YOU and the D of P can sec check Epilepsy: I AM DONE!"

              I fought the entire tech Flag Team…Insisted my folders ALL be sent up to "RTC" as there was nothing in any tech they showed me that proved I had to get off of my medication and Dr Denk (Hubbard's Dr) had written saying my medication was NOT a mind altering drug and to allow me to continue.

              I won, the entire Flag Land Base Tech Team was Crammed/Corrected on Medicine, and the Senior C/S (top Dog) wrote a Snr C/S Bulliton about medication and *I* am the first example in it 🙂 TA DA. <<< My biggest, longest "Win" while "in".

              To this day I'd say Epilepsy helped save my life…as it was SO wrong, I proved it was so wrong, yet people 'in" are SO brainwashed, as that Indie the other day trying to tell me to get off of my GD Medication! Thank GAWD I got out of there…and THANK YOU ALL!!!

            • ze moo

              How many others have died without their medication? Tom Cruise in his ‘sorry for messing with Brooke Shields’ tour did state that clamatology says see a doctor (not a ‘doctor’ of $cientology I hope) and get your condition treated. That was well after the blow back from the Shields fiasco. I still enjoy seeing vids of him from that time. He really brought the crazy into the mainstream public’s fore-brain. I wonder what ‘amends’ project DM gave him? Probably just a few sack loads of money.

              The health claims for the Lroon treatment have really gone underground since 2000. I wonder how many warning letters the FDA has sent?

            • Tory Christman

              ze moo: Good question. Ironically, *now* they have up signs ALL over their orgs: “If you have a medical condition, see a medical Doctor. Scientology handles the spirit” or some such mumbo-jumbo. Also, in the late 90’s Barbara ? Then a top exec, took me into an auditing room to “apologize”. “What happened to you re the Sea Org should have NEVER happened, it was *totally out tech*. Now she says so AFTER I got the entire Flag Land Base tech Team CRAMMED/CORRECTED By RTC (top dogs). DUH!

              Note: They were always “ok”, FTR, w/ people seeing a Doctor for “regular” things. However, In “Science of Survival” …Hubbard goes into way more detail AGAINST certain people: “Homosexuals and people with Chronic Illness”, in the “Chart of Human Evaluations” in the back. I guess they considered “Epilepsy” to be a “chronic illness” and thus they had a “right” to pound me.

              As long as they can hide behind the curtain of “religion”…they can do whatever they damn well please and they know it. Which is why I say WE ALL concentrate on getting their “Non-Profit” status removed. We KNOW they are FOR PROFIT. It won’t be hard to prove in court, either. So? Anyone know the next step? 🙂 Tick Tock, Dave….don’t say I didn’t Warn Ya!!

            • MaxSpaceman

              I am grateful you shared that. Thank you ~

          • Obviously

            No I was never in. I didn’t mean to imply that you were “wrong” to think of aliens, clearly that was something that the Scientology environment caused. I’m happy for you that you made it out and as I become more familiar with “all this” I can see you’re doing a hell of a job educating the world about Scientology. I also appreciate your efforts to be a public voice of reason on the subject of epilepsy and the importance (necessity!) of medication.

            Yes I’m on medication, but it has to be adjusted every so often, plus sometimes things just go wrong. I blame the last seizure on wonky florescent lighting at the market. This was my first gm in many years. The past 5 years or so I’ve had status epilepticus seizures every so often, but thank god in my case they’re non-convulsive. I didn’t know that was even a thing till it started happening to me (while I was on meds for gm’s). I equate a NCSE seizure with an electricity brown out, I just go into potted palm mode for a couple of days, but am still quasi-functional. Not life threatening, especially since I have a wonderful support system.

            MY last words before the most recent seizure were “Um, excuse me,” to a guy stocking shelves. Lol.

            • Tory Christman

              :::WOW::: thank you got sharing that, Obviously, and your kind words!
              I’ve never heard of NCSE. I *love* that description: “I just go into potted plant mode” ROTFLOL! Sounds interesting! My best to you 🙂 Tory/Magoo

      • Helen Van Patterson Patton

        Thanks Tory. Love your vids. So glad to see you free!

        • Tory Christman

          Thank you, Helen …ME TOO!! 🙂 😀

    • A lot of them can be found in “History of Man”. In fact the “clam incident” is why Scientologists are referred to (pejoratively) as clams.

      There are implant incidents where disembodied souls get stuck in boxes, and onto poles. There are ones where human bodies trap souls in boxes. There are ones where you have to watch movies about jesus and mohammed. There are ones where you’re plankton in the ocean and you get eaten by whales.

      So much crazy, so little time.

      • Helen Van Patterson Patton

        ahhhh, so that’s where the clam reference comes from. Thanks a bunch. So much crazy indeed!

        • In History of Man there’s a part where Hubblob is rambling about how the human jaw evolved from clams and that your human body was once a clam way back in the day. He goes so far as to say, “If you pinch your fingers together and tell someone to imagine a clam on the beach their jaw will hurt. They might even get a toothache or have to go to the dentist.”

          So now you know why scientologist = clam.

        • Eclipse-girl

          I would refer to an article by PZ Meyer(a pretty famous biologist) who reviewed the book Derek cited. I refuse to read Ron because it hurts my brain. I first ran into his writing / vids when arguing against creationists.

          Tony has a link at the bottom of his article, or above all the comments.

          • Helen Van Patterson Patton

            Thanks for the info, Eclipse-girl. My mistake was in thinking that the “incidents” were were found exclusively in the upper levels. But I see from the wikipedia link that Doloras gave below, that there are all sorts of incidents. Which I encourage everyone to read for grins and giggles. My favorite is the “Obscene Dog incident”.

            • Eclipse-girl

              I will have to check that link

              The Dog incident is truly a fucked up masterpiece that I would love to have seen Luis Bunuel do in film

              I have a decent science background, and husband specializes in DNA stuff. The History Of Man is messed up. I am bothered that public science education in the US doesn’t make all readers of that POS by hubbard realize how full of shit the bloated bastard was.

    • Missionary Kid

      For a lot of basic information, Operation Clambake, or, as it’s known on the web, http://www.xenu.net is a font of information. Some of it hasn’t been updated in a while, but it’s called clambake for a good reason.

      Their dictionary of terms can be found at http://www.xenu.net/archive/dictionary/ It’s really helpful for people who aren’t familiar with all of the arcane expressions, acronyms, and other language that isolates clams from the rest of the world.

    • Robert Eckert

      They were covered back at OT II, if my memory serves.

      • Eclipse-girl

        I haven’t seen you earlier. as I was perusing radar I noticed that an infamous person attacked a Robert. I am hoping that wasn’t you.

        that person is nothing.

        • Robert Eckert

          he’s back? I haven’t been following him today.

          • Eclipse-girl

            OK, I just wanted to make sure it wasn’t you.
            I don’t know who that person got feisty with.

            I just want to tell you and everyone else, ignore him. It seems to highly irritate the person

            • Robert Eckert

              He might still be attacking me even when I’m not around, since we’ve had several encounters. Ask me if I care.

  • This is why parents turn their backs on their kids, and why kids turn their backs on their parents. Scientology justifies it’s evil acts because the number of “10,000 SOLO NOTs” auditors is THE thing that will save the world (among all other THE THINGS), and therefore the ends justify the means.

    So next time a Scientologist talks about doing things for the “greater good”, just remember that they are talking about curing themselves of space cooties. That is the “greater good” in Scientology’s eyes.

    Isn’t this the level where Hubbard calls Jesus a pedophile?

    • That’s on one of the versions of OT VIII from what I understand. It seems that Miscavige revised it several times according to multiple accounts from people who did the level.

      • Tory Christman

        Ya this is new for me: “The idea is that a BT, after having been handled on NOTs, becomes a
        freed, awake, and possibly Clear being that will go out into the
        environment and proceed to do good somehow. Many of them will “pick up” a
        body, so it was expected that there would be a tremendous number of
        young people growing up who would be unaberrated and generally more able
        than most people. The NOTs materials stated that there would be
        “torrents” of these beings being released into the society. This is the
        idea behind the long-standing goal in the “church” to have 10,000 people
        through New OT 7. This would supposedly release enough “theta” into the
        environment to cause society to de-aberrate.”

        REALLY? I had *none* of that. If it was in the NOTS pack…I certainly in 7 years did not get it. I *think* by 1990 when I started ….the Net was alive and well and they KNEW the FACTS being exposed would *not* support that BS story. <<< Just a guess.

        Anyone else do OT 7 in 1990? Was that part of it? If so, wowswers. Well, remember …*I* had my special mission (from L Ron Hubbard, or so I thought) which was, I thought, to get rid of ALL of the BTs/Clusters so I could get RID of Epilepsy and finally get BACK INTO THE SEA ORG. JEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESH! Thank Gawd and the NET I WTFU! To ALLLLLLLL who have helped me over the soon 14 years I've been out, I **greatly** thank each one of you! Tory/Magoo

        • Tory Christman

          Check this out: 4 “OT’s” explaining ALL of the differences we each experienced, video taped in 2000: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3C5j63DsmnQ

          • Tory Christman

            “I don’t know a single person who got better on OT 7” says Peter Alexander (OT 8) in the above interview. <<< Ditto for me, as well as for OT 8. AND as I said above, I know many, many, MANY people (self included, and my husband, then) who got much, much WORSE on OT 5-8, including MANY people who died far too young, or took their own lives.

          • Mark

            Marvellous video.

            • Tory Christman

              Thanks, Mark! I have to agree…it is one of my favorites as it was one of THE 1st videos about the OT levels, spoken by people who had done them. We were all sitting around telling THE most amazing stories. That’s when I said to Mark Bunker: “We have to get this on camera!” And thus this came about 🙂

            • Mark

              I’d never seen it before: must dig deeper among Mark Bunker’s more than 300 videos! Apart from exposing the OT levels as mostly harmful nonsense, you were all so obviously enjoying being out of the Co$, and so optimistic about the cult’s imminent demise.The only pity is that here we are a decade on, and Shortarse is still strutting about as a tiny tinpot dictator – even if he’s got very few followers left compared to 2000. But you made one uncannily accurate prediction, Tory: that it would turn into a millionaire’s cult before long. Spooky!

            • Tory Christman

              “But you made one uncannily accurate prediction, Tory: that it would turn into a millionaire’s cult before long. Spooky!” I did? Where? The one key prediction I made was this: (To “Dave” via a message to Mike Rinder still “in” Then and their PR): There’s an ARMY out here of critics and it’s only going to get bigger because they do not WANT the “Bridge” LOL It’s in this video…the 1st one Mark Bunker made of me. He put it on the Net, and I was declared “SP” the next day, having been “out” for 2 weeks!
              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxpHWev4tiU

            • Baby

              RIP Bob Minton for your tireless effort. You are thought of often. We are carrying on your fight.

          • DodoTheLaser

            I watched this video when I was still in. It helped to switch some gears. Thank you.

        • aegerprimo

          It never ceases to amaze me the paranoia Scientology creates within its bubble. I’ve seen the “agoraphobia” Scientologists get. Sea Org members are afraid to step outside the church walls. Public Scientologists only have friends who are Scientologists, only work for Scientologists, only do biz with other Scientologists, and only marry other Scientologists.

          • Missionary Kid

            It’s intellectual and emotional incest. It keeps people anchored, but it also delays emotional and intellectual development by keeping clams in a bubble.

      • Tory Christman

        Interesting, Scientology_411! Bruce, this was new for me:

        “The idea is that a BT, after having been handled on NOTs, becomes a
        freed, awake, and possibly Clear being that will go out into the
        environment and proceed to do good somehow. Many of them will “pick up” a
        body, so it was expected that there would be a tremendous number of
        young people growing up who would be unaberrated and generally more able
        than most people. The NOTs materials stated that there would be
        “torrents” of these beings being released into the society. This is the
        idea behind the long-standing goal in the “church” to have 10,000 people
        through New OT 7. This would supposedly release enough “theta” into the
        environment to cause society to de-aberrate.”

        REALLY? I had *none* of that. If it was in the NOTS pack…I certainly in 7 years did not get it. I *think* by 1990 when I started ….the Net was alive and well and they KNEW the FACTS being exposed would *not* support that BS story. <<< Just a guess.

        Anyone else do OT 7 in 1990? Was that part of it? If so, wowswers. Well, remember …*I* had my special mission (from L Ron Hubbard, or so I thought) which was, I thought, to get rid of ALL of the BTs/Clusters so I could get RID of Epilepsy and finally get BACK INTO THE SEA ORG. JEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESH! Thank Gawd and the NET I WTFU! To ALLLLLLLL who have helped me over the soon 14 years I've been out, I **greatly** thank each one of you! Tory/Magoo

        • MaxSpaceman

          o m g – that ‘special mission’ is a nightmare! It’s so great you have come out of the belief Prison and recovered yourself ~

          • Tory Christman

            Thank you Max Spaceman! YES.IT.WAS….and YES.IT.IS! 🙂 (Sorry for caps…but it’s just a biiiiiiiiit of a passionate area.

            • MaxSpaceman

              Yes, it’s such a deep wound what happened ~ and it’s important to rejoice that your mind is not stalled in Hubbardthink within Hubbardworld like those still staunch $cilons.

            • Tory Christman

              Thank you, Max! I appreciate your understanding of that. 🙂

        • Bruce Hines

          Hi Tory, it was definitely in the 1978 NOTs materials. I thought it remained in the early Solo NOTs materials and in the 1991 revision to the materials for training NOTs auditors. It may well not have been in the New OT 6 materials when you did it.

          • DodoTheLaser

            Thank you, Bruce.

      • I make sure to tell that first thing to anyone that I know who is Christian and has questions about Scientology…lol

        • There are at least 3 version of OT8, the exact version that David sells to rubes is not certain. Some versions of the Jesus pedophile in it, some do not.

        • ze moo

          How’s does that go over in Texas? Not too well I would think.

    • richelieu jr

      Oooh, I bet Jesus will kick his ass for that one!

      “Suffer the little children to come unto me… SO I CAN COME ON TO THEM AND MAKE THEM SUFFER!”

      – actual quote of Jesus Christ, according to L Ron Hubbard, War Hero, Philanthropist, Visionary, Nuclear Engineer, Humble Genius, and the most trustworthy guy you could ever meet.

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    Approximately 11,000 days have passed since new Solo NOTs released, yet Flag still can’t get their 10,000 completions. Most of the graduate numbers I’ve seen from Flag added up to between 250 to 600. I’ve seen claims of close to 6,000 now, but I’ll bet many on those listed are dead, blown, or they count each do over as a new statistic. But even giving them close to 6,000 … that’s still not even ONE satisfied customer a day. Not one. Out of 12 to 15 million scientologists per Miscavige’s claims, over a 30 year span and after all he’s done for them.

    And now, those same repeat customers have to do it over yet again, starting with learning how to study the right way this time and then learn their auditing courses and buy new emeters and new books, oh and start over from the bottom of the bridge to ingest more toxic doses of niacin and dehyrdate in saunas, and touch walls and command ashtrays and confess more crimes, all so they can get back on Solo Nots. At that rate, by 2024, they might reach that 10,000 target, and it will be the same people they’ve been bumping into since the 80’s. And it still won’t add up to one customer per day.

    Is there a drill in the Solo Nots course pack that teaches some kind of other worldly mathematics or is Math for OT’s on the list of secret, forbidden items while on the level? I still would like to know from those on OT7 how they do not see any red flags and neon flashing warning signals in their rear view mirror. It’s not rocket science.

    http://i.imgur.com/0hm9eTZs.jpg

    • Tory Christman

      It’s called “Delusion” and that is built in, starting from DAY ONE.

    • richelieu jr

      It’s like an ouroboros, only instead of mouths it’s anuses…

      heads continually
      returning up their own behinds,
      wallets lighter every time…

  • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

    Alexa update:

    Alexa is having problems again. The site has not been updated for the last few days.

    I will be posting as soon as they get their problems fixed 🙂

    • Panopea Abrupta

      Ty Johnny – I really appreciate you doing this.

      • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

        Thank you, PA, for your kind words.

        I know a lot of people like the updates, and it’s fun for me to do it. It is a bit frustrating for me when Alexa has problems. I’m sure they will be back soon.

  • Racnad

    If the level was significantly updated in 1991, doesn’t that mean what was delivered from at least 1986 (when LRH passed) and probably earlier was SQUIRREL technology?

  • AnonRedX
  • baddog5623
    • 1subgenius

      I continue to wonder if he still “practices”.
      Would be an interesting issue, the right to an e-meter in prison.
      Lesson: don’t join a religion that requires electricity.

  • Good to get home from a tedious shift at the day job to find this.

    Thank you Tony, for all the support over the years – and for all the readers I’ve borrowed from your site. Thanks too to the Bunkerites for the kinds words. Just as well I’m a hard-bitten, cynical hack, or I’d be tearing up right now. But yes, I’m feeling the love.

    It’s not quite curtains for Infinite Complacency it does need to go into sleep mode, at least for a while. But its been a good run, and I’ll enjoy keeping filing pieces for the Bunker. It’s a no-brainer really. Tony gets a
    bit of European coverage while I get to play to stadiums instead of local clubs, if you get my drift: so everybody wins.

    Finally, special thanks Chuck Beatty, who did so much to get my initial investigation off the ground and who has been an inexhaustible source of enthusiasm and encouragement ever since. Now there’s someone who deserves proper credit for all the back-room work he’s done.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      No tears, just a couple BT’s sweatin’.

    • RMycroft

      Well, don’t book that long vacation just yet.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPw-3e_pzqU

    • Captain Howdy
      • 1subgenius

        What a cranking R&R/R&B/Funk band. Yes, I said it.
        And I’d say it again.

        • Captain Howdy

          One of the all-time greats.

          • 1subgenius

            I was sure I’d get an argument about my characterization though.

            Totally misunderstood band. And they probably liked it that way.

            Mark has a fascinating history (virtually blind until age 7) and almost as many soundtrack credits as Randy Newman, maybe more. Frequently worked with Wes Anderson (I did not know this).

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Mothersbaugh

            Not bad for a freak from Akron. Good thing we didn’t listen to the critics.

            Saw them live in the day.

            • Captain Howdy

              What’s up with Ohio? Cramps, Devo, Pere Ubu, Chrissie Hynde, Dead Boys, etc, etc..

            • 1subgenius

              Nothin’ else to do.
              Just noticed that he did The Lego Movie. That was rather huge I hear.
              I’m predicting Oscar.

            • Espiando

              Jon Savage implies that Cleveland/Akron/Canton was such a dead industrial shithole that the same type of socioeconomic conditions that appled to London in 1976 were operating there as early as 1973.

              Having lived in Canton for a year, I agree with the “shithole” part.

            • DodoTheLaser

              “What’s up with Ohio?” Good question.
              Also, Ohio is Full of Astronauts: http://www.cracked.com/article_18421_6-insane-coincidences-you-wont-believe-actually-happened_p2.html

        • Obviously

          I still listen to Devo, and I still dance like those kids in the video.

      • Baby

        Ohhh Yeah.. I just added it to my Pandora..Thanks H

    • Unex Skcus

      Thanks to you, Mr Jacobsen, for your great articles over the years. I think I’ve read every one of them. Cheers!

    • Obviously

      Completely off-topic and random, but I am a fan of your site and wanted to add my voice to the well-wishes. The idea of a “hard-bitten, cynical hack” in Paris made me immediately think of this Dylan Moran clip. It’s not set in Paris, but it is in B&W, he’s drinking red wine and smoking, so it might as well be, right? Thinking of this clip always immediately brings to mind the term “Piss Midget,” which, in turn, on this occasion made me immediately think of David Miscavige.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oS1NOXWVWgo

      • Jonny Jacobsen

        Piss Midget: perfect. And I loved Black Books. One of the worst about being away from Britain is missing out on stuff like that.

    • FromPolandWithLove

      Thank You 🙂

      Let me send You best wishes: good luck:) !

    • Eclipse-girl

      TY for all that you have done. We have enjoyed your articles, and being kept apprised of developments in European Courts.

      Ty for pointing me to where I could order the physical edition of Jon Atack’s reprint.
      (I am very old school when it comes to books.)

    • Baby

      You Da Man Jonathan.. I have enjoyed everything you have written. Take a Break and when you want to appear again we will be waiting.. ; 0

    • OrangySky

      Love you, Jonny!

  • Panopea Abrupta

    RED-X RED-X RED-X

    Click may not be a 4 letter word.

    You can use it however to encourage the DwarvenFuhrer exorcise his vast vocabulary.

    Hurricane Mosey coming for you, lil Davey CLICK CLICK CLICK

    https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-63#post-2436569

  • Miss Tia

    Does this look okay? I made the pattern, then cross stitched it out. I think I’ll put it in a wooden hoop. It’s on 16 ct fabric, but I think if I do one on 22 ct I could frame it in a 5 x 7 frame or if I do them on 14 ct. I could frame it in a 8 x 10 frame. This one is like 6 x 7 1/2, odd sized, but I wanted to make sure the pattern was okay looking and I had that fabric right in front of me and didn’t want to dig through my fabric bin. I think it looks pretty good, but my opinion is only my own. Probably should have done it on cream fabric too—that would have been better. I have a lot of that.

    • lucille austero

      You could sell these 🙂

      • Miss Tia

        that’s sort of what i want to do—and the pattern too…..i have major expenses with my pantry and back porch roof replacement….i can’t work a job, i would never ask for handouts, but i CAN cross stitch…..i have some other things i’ve made before i’m gonna put pix of online to offer to sell….i can customize colors, etc…..

        i timed myself, and that took me about 20 hours above….it was actually 22, but i deducted 2 hours because it was a new pattern and it was 16 ct. fabric….if i did it on 22 ct. it would probably take longer, but it would be shorter on 14 ct……

        • lucille austero

          Do it! Sweet!

        • Here’s a good example — she’s had over 200 sales

          http://www.etsy.com/shop/BananyaStand

          • Miss Tia

            Whoa, 14 ct. cross stitch words, 5 inch hoop $28! I’ve seen other shops with similar pricing….I’ll price much less….I had a request to make ‘Shut Your Whore Mouth’, no I don’t really get it….but if someone wants it, fine….since i didn’t know the size, i quoted a price of $15, which i’ll stand by, even if it’s 8″ in a hoop….the one cross stitch that took more time there, they only wanted $10—the cat in the chair….thanks for this link though, it gives me something to study!! i definitely don’t want to price outrageous, though i want to make a bit of profit….

            i’m gonna make a YSCOHB bookmark today….i had a sample half way done but i didn’t like the font i was using….i dug in my bin last night and found a BLUE bookmark! 😀 BIG BLUE!

            • Good luck Miss Tia! I really hope you do well 🙂 Also, I would buy a YSCOHB bookmark in a heart beat!

            • Miss Tia

              Thanks! I think this style looks pretty good, what do you think? I gotta see how many more blue book marks I have. I know I have some beige, white and I gotta dig in my bin (I have a huge bin with material and floss). It’s not cross stitch, it’s called reversible darning….

        • Chee Chalker

          I have been trying to teach myself cross stitching for years…..I just can’t seem to get the hang of it. Have you ever thought of a YouTube tutorial? Can you raise $$ that way?

          • Miss Tia

            Well I’d be happy to do a youtube tutorial, but I wouldn’t feel right charging money for it—see how bad i suck at trying to make money! 🙂 i try to be helpful though…..what do you have difficulty with? are you starting out with a counted cross stitch? if so, make sure it’s a really easy one…..i’ve thought of making some really easy designs and packaging pre-made kits—with pattern, fabric and floss, i have all those things—well after i print a pattern i make…..

            i have to admit the times i tried to cross stitch on pre-printed fabric i found it extremely difficult!! i’d be happy to help you though, let me know what problems you’re having and if you just wanna email me, tia@misstia.com and i’ll help you out—FREELY….

            • Chee Chalker

              THANK YOU!!!!! I will email you when I am cross stitching next. I just bought one of the “easy” packages, but I can’t seem to get the swing of it.

              I think the esty idea is a great one for you……could you make the Banana Stand one? What would you charge for something like that? I noticed that person on esty offered to do personalized ones….that would be a great idea, IMO.

            • Miss Tia

              What Banana Stand one? the one that says Banana stand?

              I can absolutely do personalized ones…..

            • Chee Chalker

              The one that says “there’s money in the banana stand”. I’ll send you an email tonite with more deets. I don’t want to take-up valuable bunker space with my Arrested Development devotion! I think another good one would be “The underground Bunker” with the Guy Fawkes mask!

            • Miss Tia

              never saw arrested development so i didn’t know what that quote was from….i could make something like that though—though not exactly as her’s as that would be like pattern theft and i couldn’t do that, ya know? but i can use a well known quote and make a banana stand pattern…..

              i dunno if i could use the name ‘the underground bunker’ for profit….and even if i could, i honestly wouldn’t feel right about it because it’s tony’s site….i am strangely and weirdly ethically…..

              i’m gonna start a YSCOHB book mark after i finish lunch! 🙂 i’ll look forward to your email!

      • MaxSpaceman

        I’d buy one. So would GalacticGreg er- doh!

        • Miss Tia

          I’m gonna list some things on etsy and on my own site—two options there, never sold on etsy before and at least on my own site there’s no fees! Working on that now. I’ll post a link in a day or two! 🙂

          • Eclipse-girl

            PLEASE keep us informed.

            • Miss Tia

              Will do! 🙂

          • IBBy

            If you need etsy tech, give a girl a holler. I’ve been on there since 2006 and always happy to help

            • Miss Tia

              Oh thanks!! I might do that, if you wouldn’t mind! 🙂

            • IBBy

              not at all! just give me a yell whenever 🙂

            • Miss Tia

              Thank you!! Much appreciated!!

          • Etsy is super easy Miss Tia and the fees are only 20 cents per item. Could be lower but the site has A LOT of traffic and these seem right up the consumer bases’ alley! I have a shop and I love it.

            • Miss Tia

              20 cents per item isn’t bad, but I gotta look into their seller fees and then I saw they have their own payment thing —which of course would take fees…..but yes, it does have a lot of traffic, which is a plus!!!!

    • Sir_Real

      A very worthwhile use of cross stitch tech!

      • Miss Tia

        “cross stitch tech” love that! 🙂

        • Sir_Real

          And we love you, Miss Tia.

          • Miss Tia

            Aw, thank you Sir_Real, I love y’all in the Bunker!

    • Gunpowder treason and plot! Doo eet, Miss Tia! Looks good.

      • Miss Tia

        thanks!! 🙂

    • K2P2

      very nice job!

      • Miss Tia

        thanks!

    • aegerprimo

      Fantastic!

      • Miss Tia

        Thanks! 🙂

    • EnthralledObserver

      Awesome!

      • Miss Tia

        Thanks! 🙂

    • Sarah James

      Very nice Miss Tia! +1

      • Miss Tia

        Thanks Sarah!

    • DodoTheLaser

      Excellent work, Miss Tia!

      • Miss Tia

        Thanks Dodo!

  • There are 500 million Tweets sent every day, half of them are Scientology frauds.

    • Okay, well maybe not half but a damn whole lot of them are Scientology bastards trying to sell their frauds.

    • Sir_Real

      Their arrogance, greed and gaul have no limit! They put politicians to shame!

      • Panopea Abrupta

        All Gaul is divided in 3 parts.

        • Obviously

          quarum unam incolunt Belgae

          (a geopolitical fact I learned in high school which has proved invaluable to me over the years)

          • Espiando

            Everything I know about Gaul, I learned from Asterix. Including and perhaps especially that the guys are my type.

        • Sir_Real

          My typo led me re-educate myself on Gaul.

        • Robert Eckert

          The whole of Gaul is quartered into three halves. Belgium is Gaul, and Aquitaine is Gaul, and besides those, there is Gaul.

      • Miss Tia

        I’m really surprised they haven’t made more pushes to get into politics…..

      • Sir_Real

        Yep, it’s gall not Gaul. Got it.

    • Miss Tia

      I think i took over #thestafflife on twitter! 🙂

      • aegerprimo

        That is good news!

        • Espiando

          Tia needs to use the hashtags #thestafflife and #thestafflice together on every post. That should piss the little bastards off.

  • AnonRedX

    RED X ALERT from Crananon,

    Our friend from Ventura is back with the same CHALLENGING and boring message for us all,
    Last time we got him DOWN within a couple of hours.

    http://ventura.craigslist.org/cls/4382703009.html

    There are more new ads from him in Ventura please check them at the end of the list.
    Roll down a page or two to the link posted by Panopea

    • AnonRedX

      TY aegerprimo

      • aegerprimo

        I got it from here AnonREDX…
        New ads within minutes in Nashville. Hours old in Las Vegas, Tampa, OCLA, Orange County, Sacramento. Links at WWP.

  • ShoopZ

    Clusters of WHAT???

    (refresh)

    • Obviously

      L. Ron take them away! (Old Calgon commercial reference.)

      • Mark

        In the UK, Calgon is used exclusively in washing-machines to keep limescale at bay.

        • Obviously

          We American women have long been admired both near and far for our ability to keep ourselves almost completely free of limescale. For us it’s a matter of national pride, like the fact that we have the world’s best healthcare system.

          • Mark

            Perhaps because Calgon entered a UK market already saturated with ‘Radox’ bath-salts (once reputed to contain radium and oxygen), the attractions of freedom from intimate limescale must have seemed tame stuff to a nation of already radioactive and oxygenated lady bathers.

        • ShoopZ

          I guess we Yanks should be called “Limeys” then, not you guys. 😉

          • Eclipse-girl

            particularly those of us who live around the Niagara escarpment.

        • Missionary Kid

          Here’s what Calgon is made up of: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calgon

        • Obviously

          Turns out that on this side of the pond, Calgon was the magic detergent booster in the infamous “Ancient Chinese Secret” commercial. Frazzeled housewives would put it in their washing machines and then relax in a hot sudsy tub of it. Reminds me of Lysol – once marketed as a douche as well as a floor cleaner. Ew. From Wikipedia:

          In the late 1920s Lysol disinfectant began being marketed by maker Lysol, Incorporated and distributor Lehn & Fink, Inc. as a feminine hygiene product. It was claimed vaginal douching with a diluted Lysol solution prevented infections and vaginal odor, and thereby preserved youth and marital bliss.

  • richelieu jr

    Great stuff tpday, but what downer at the end!

    I loved thinking of having our own ‘Tony’ here in France, and now JJ is abandoning us!

    Mais non, Jonny! Dis-moi que ce n’est pas vrai! Ma gueule! Qu’est ce qu’elle a ma gueule?

    Jonny! Reviens-nous!

    • Tony Ortega

      He’s not abandoning the Bunker. He’s still our man in Paris.

      • Eclipse-girl

        That is comforting to know.

    • Captain Howdy

      Vive la révolution!

    • ShoopZ

      Du calme! Il ne quitte pas.

    • Espiando

      Dude, he’s a cochon d’anglais. A thousand years of French civilization, and they’re still swill-consuming barbarians.

      • richelieu jr

        True, but he was the only regular blogger who kept stuff up in French…

      • richelieu jr

        Thanks Tony. I was speaking as a French person (the half-American French person regretting the end of the English journalist’s blog….)
        Sorry, you know how chauvinistic we are— I am French even before I am a Bunkerite! Noblesse oblige!

        • Missionary Kid

          I don’t care what your cultural background is, you’re a Bunker Brother, and I value your contribution.

          • richelieu jr

            Aw, thanks, MK!

          • Eclipse-girl

            (((HUGS))) to both of you
            (((HUGS))) to espi too

            • Missionary Kid

              (((HUGS))) to you, too.

  • Eclipse-girl

    Off Topic —
    I like books. I do not have a separate e- reader.

    I had been looking for Paulette Cooper’s The Scandal of Scientology. I know there is an online edition.
    I want the physical book so I can curl up in bed or a bath and read a book

    I was hoping someone like Silvertail Book would consider republishing the book but ws informed that the Co$ California may have the rights to the book. I feel really bad that Ms. Cooper had to give up the rights to her book, if that is true.

    The last time I checked Alibris I found one copy for $275.00 which is a bit too rich for me.

    Today I checked Alibris and found a few less expensive copies. at about $45.00. I know that is still very steep for many.

    This is just a FYI for anyone who might be interested.

    • Obviously

      Not helpful in this case, but BookFinder.com searches a bunch of different sites and listing services, including Alibris.

      • aegerprimo

        Ooops, did not read low enough to see you posted the link I did.

      • Eclipse-girl

        To both Obviously and Aegerprimo, TY for the information about Bookfinder.

    • Dancing Cranberry

      Abebooks ( http://www.abebooks.com) also has several copies of this book for sale – expensive (around $50 Canadian), but cheaper than $275.

    • aegerprimo

      Try other book dealers at http://www.bookfinder.com//

  • media_lush
  • media_lush

    even Kermit the Frog is ragging on Cruise….

    • Espiando

      If there’s a limit to how much faggotry there is in the universe, we now have a theory to work off of.

      • media_lush

        muppets?

  • aegerprimo

    It’s a slow night, so if you are bored, help with the RED X project.

    Thank you in advance!

    https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-63#post-2436569

    • Dancing Cranberry

      be safe

    • aegerprimo

      New ads within minutes in Nashville.
      Ads only hours old in Las Vegas, Tampa, OCLA, Orange County, Sacramento.
      Look in comments below the link above for links to exact ads.

    • Espiando

      I would like to help, but airport wi-fi plus tablet isn’t the best weaponry for combat against the retards. If you can contribute, do so.

    • Toni m

      Done. Just looking for blues. Cleve 8, LV 1, Tampa 6, Nash 2, Orange 4-5.

      • aegerprimo

        Those Nashville ones were NEW NEW.

  • Ruby

    As most of you know, but not the newcomers, Captain Miscavige has a habit of “updating” the technology every several years so that it is “what Hubbard really wanted” etc…and then doing a BIG release event about how great he is for ensuring everything is 100% standard tech.
    These people do these auditing levels for YEARS, and while they maybe “complete” the level, they are secretly disappointed that they can not now walk on water. But God forbid anyone reveal that or talk about it. No, they keep it to themselves. Well, then the Captain breaks the secret silence and makes everyone relieved by saying he knows they have had secrets about their gains and that it is all ok…they never really got the result because it was not “100% standard”…and NOW it is!!
    So, NOW you can get the things you have always dreamed of!!! Oh wait, until the next time Captain Miscavige announces that they “found” another lost technical reference that was missed, so that explains why they can’t walk on water. On and on…the hamster wheel keep spinning and the cherch keeps collecting big bucks. That is why you see things being updated, “lost tech found”, several versions of NOTS, YEARS after Hubbard’s death.

    • aquaclara

      Thanks for sharing this, Ruby. Your insights are spot on. “Oh, look what we’ve found!”

      What a scam.

      • Ruby

        Thanks, Aqua…sometimes my comments come as a rant of what I realize I was a part of. This one came about because of the many times I always thought when something was “updated”, I never thought I had a problem with it the first time. Why do I need to do it again?
        This is something I have seen with many who have left.
        Fortunately, I never cared about walking on water. 🙂

        • aegerprimo

          It’s a valid rant. 3 years ago, when the Co$ was calling me and I was answering the phone, they were trying to sell me the GAT basic books. I said “Why didn’t the writer, source, LRH, notice all the supposed chapters, paragraphs, etc. missing from the books back when he wrote them? If I was the writer of such great works, I would make sure they were printed right, wouldn’t you?” I don’t remember the answer I given for the question, it was probably an unconvincing no answer. Someday maybe I will have the balls to answer the phone and say “Guess what I am doing right now? Commenting at the Underground Bunker.”

          • GalacticGreg

            you are in deep cover, then- you’re still in?

            • aegerprimo

              Who me? I have not stepped foot in an org since the late 90’s. As far as the Co$ is concerned, I am in good standing? They send me tons of mail, and sometimes call me 3x a day. It’s annoying. I have a couple of friends who are in, and a couple more who are on the fence. The on-the-fence ones know I speak out on the fringes of the internet, and I have encouraged them to read “entheta” books, visit the Bunker and ESMB.

            • Missionary Kid

              Thanks for your efforts to help those who are on the fence. May they bail out soon.

            • GalacticGreg

              Thanks for that. Calls 3 times a day: yikes- that *must* be annoying.
              You are an aegerP operative extraordinaire!

            • Jimmy3

              You ask as if someone who is in deep cover would answer you affirmatively on a public blog.

            • GalacticGreg

              everyone is as anonymous as anyone. this “public” blog is anonymous. and posting here or not doesn’t add to their cover or take away from it duh. as you’ll see below in “someone’s” answer. as if.

          • Ruby

            I asked that same question, aegerprimo! The answer I was given is that Hubbard was so busy doing research, he relied on others and they screwed up. I laughed and said, “Ya right…he trained people from these books for decades and didn’t know what was in them?”

            • chukicita

              Just like Scientology, Inc. appoints adherents to executive positions that they trust for years…until they suddenly realize they’re SPs.

            • Ruby

              A definite pattern, eh? 🙂

          • chukicita

            I think that’s going to feel nice.

        • aquaclara

          Like Aegerprimo says, it’s a valid rant. Keep reminding us that this stuff is personal. And real.

    • SvenBoogie

      He’s just following in ol’ tubby’s footsteps. What you’re describing is exactly why more and more new ot levels had to keep being ‘discovered’ while LRH was the one driving the clown car.

  • aegerprimo

    Interesting thread at ESMB today about Michelle Seward , CEO and owner of Protégé Financial & Ins Services and Saxe Coburg Insurance.

    “…Seward has had to stay quiet for quite some time, due to existing litigation and fear of retaliation from the Church of Scientology…”

    http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?35291-This-is-interesting
    http://www.michelleseward.org/

    • aegerprimo

      This is a quote from Courthouse News Service (dated Sept. 24, 2012).

      “… Two of the offerings diverted and commingled millions in investor funds, paying $400,000 to the Kristy Alley Family Trust, California says.
      Saxe Coburg has clients who invested in actress Kristy Alley’s company Organic Liaisons, according to the firm’s website, but neither Alley nor her company are parties to the lawsuit…”

  • GalacticGreg

    tl/dr: By 1978, Lafayette Ronald Hubbard, Sr. – extending his Long Con by creating new products for his business, $cientology. Here is part of the worst of his products. It’s the infamous NOTs healing processes, in the Red Volumes, NED for OTs series 34. Developed by Hubbard, David Mayo and Karen Mayo.

    This processessing is very, very dangerous sh1t. It is phony faith healing at its worst. Why $cientologists, their children and all members do not see Doctors or take medicine follows:

    For educational purposes, the study of World Religion. Posted by D. Touretsky.
    HCO BULLETIN OF 14 NOVEMBER 1978.
    NED for OTs Series 34.

    ———-THE SEQUENCE FOR HANDLING A PHYSICAL CONDITION————-

    There is a definite sequence for handling a physical
    condition. All steps must be done in this sequence to fully handle the condition:
    1. The item
    2. The body part
    3. Illness (of the body part)
    4. Cures for illness
    5. Protest of cures for the illness
    6. The body part (again)
    7. The item (again)
    8. The period of illness on it (Cluster-making incident)

    — Step One – The Item

    The item producing the physical condition. This could be “dust” as an irritant. Or “poison”, “bad food”, “paint fumes”, etc.

    The item is handled by finding and blowing off BTs and clusters who are:
    (a) being the item
    (b) resisting the item

    The item will then cease to read.

    — Step Two – The Body Part

    The body part affected by the item. E.g. for the item “dust” the body part was “lungs”. For “poison” or “bad food” the body part could be “stomach.”

    On this step you handle BTs being the body part, i.e. being “lungs”. This includes the negative of BTs being “a no body part” such as “no lungs”. And BTs and clusters stuck in and on the body part, or area of the body, or affecting the body part or area. When all such BTs and clusters are handled, the body part will no longer read.

    — Step Three – Illness

    The next action is to handle illnesses of the body part (i.e. BTs and clusters being “sick lungs” or being a condition of an illness or disease or the body part.) “Illness of body part” will cease to read.

    — Step Four – Cures for Illness

    You will now find BTs and clusters being cures for illnesses of the body part. Handle all such BTs and clusters by blowing them off. “Cures for Illness” will then cease to read.

    — Step Five – Protest of Cures for the Illness

    You will now find BTs and clusters protesting cures for the illness. Blow all these off and “Protest of cures for the Illness” will cease to read.

    — Step Six – Body Part

    You will find that the original body part will now be reading again. You handle all the BTs and clusters, on or in or being the body part, until they’re all handled and the body part just F/Ns.

    — Step Seven – Item

    Now the original item (from Step One) will be reading again and so you blow off all BTs and clusters on the item. This includes BTs and clusters with engrams on the item, BTs and clusters who have been run on the item when they didn’t have that item (i.e. wrong item for them), and BTs and clusters who copied it. You may even encounter BTs who went Clear, and thought they had engrams on it when they didn’t.

    — Step Eight – Illness On It

    There are periods of time when the person had the physical condition, sometimes years of illness, (which due to mutual shared experience of the illness), made a cluster. This is: the period of the illness or physical condition as a cluster-making incident. These are BTs and clusters who were not actually connected with the item, or illness themselves, but were made into a cluster and added on, due to the period of illness which they experienced.
    ——
    The above are the full steps and sequence for handling a physical condition or illness. If not done fully or omitted, the condition will recur. So all steps must be fully done in that sequence.

    On each step of this sequence the BTs and clusters are handled with the various techniques given for blowing them – the Valence Technique is the most usual and effective method.

    The item for Step One is found by asking the PreOT for what caused or produced the condition. It will most likely be the first item given by the PreOT. Be alert for getting into listing or getting an out-list. If so the most likely error is that it was the first item on the list, and this item was invalidated by going past it, or by over-listing past it, or the item was found and audited previously but not fully handled resulting in the item being suppressed or invalidated.

  • Captain Howdy

    We do hate these people and we will make them suffer for their crimes.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DqWZGUO_eoc

    • Baby

      Hey Howdy.. I was watching a movie the other day and thought that you would like it.. ( If you haven’t already seen it..)

      ” Best Offer ” with Geoffrey Rush.. Very Heavy movie that I had to watch twice to get… You will get it in one viewing.

    • Jimmy3

      This is beautiful. Why do we hate them?

  • Eclipse-girl

    OT — I was out of commission for a while.

    I have been checking up on very old articles, and have noticed that CatDaddy has erased all their comments.

    can someone fill me in? I thought a quarrel / spat between two members was settled.

    • Jimmy3

      He didn’t delete any of his comments, non-moderators can’t do that here. He was banned after one too many annoying episodes. I do hope he is well.

      • Eclipse-girl

        OK, ty for replying quickly

        I do not need to know more.

      • Tory Christman

        Thanks for the explanation, Jimmy3 🙂 I do hope he’s well, too.

        • aegerprimo

          Me three. I like Cat Daddy. He has a good heart.

    • Dancing Cranberry

      CatDaddy commented on Marty’s blog today. Thought you’d like to know.

      • Eclipse-girl

        TY

  • BumpIt McCarthy

    One little hour old! So soon, they get Exed: http://losangeles.craigslist.org/lac/eve/4383218665.html

    • BumpIt McCarthy

      And these are all of two hours old:

      http://nashville.craigslist.org/search/eee?query=scientolog*|dianeti*|%221130+8th+av*%22|%22615+687+4600%22

      All together now:
      CRAZY….CRAZY FOR FEELING SO ENTHETA…….

    • Tory Christman

      Ok, I clicked on it: Now what? How can I help? I don’t see anywhere to post about it.

      • Tory Christman

        What exact section are they “in”?

        • Tory. Are you trying to access the links through craigslist Los Angeles or Why we protest?

          • Tory Christman

            SPW: Please see my note above…I realized this is over my head due to the many other commitments I have at this time. Hopefully others shall join in! Be well, Tory/Magoo

            • No worries at all! I can’t wait for your book! So please continue to write : )…did you get my email ok?

      • Jimmy3

        These messages are about flagging the ads to remove them. Near the upper left corner there is a box that says “prohibited”. With enough clicks on that, craigslist will automatically remove the ad. Basically, it’s about preventing some poor sucker from seeing these misleading ads and believing this fraud will help them in any way.

        • Eclipse-girl

          It is gone now, Thanks for explaining to tory and others. Thanks for playing

      • BumpIt McCarthy

        Hi Tori, What an honor to have you as part of the Red X Brigade~ it’s all explained over at WWP: https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-61

        Scroll down to RESOURCES and you’ll see links to explanations of how it works. Basically they have searched out Scientology spam on Craigslist across the country and post the results for us to flag. Newest ads come down the most quickly, it’s best to flag each ad only once per IP, local flags count more, but every flag counts.

        As a newbie, hope I got it right! The number of Scilon ads looks dizzying at first, but it actually is like a game of scientology skittles: set ‘m up, and knock ‘m down.

        Much better than Candy Crush 🙂

        • Pierrot

          Thank you for the explanation, you are spot on.
          Thank you for joining the team and being dedicated.
          Check the bottom of the list, there is an explanation of how to copy/paste the link to the list.

        • Tory Christman

          Thank you, Bumpit for your kind words and helpful actions.
          I hope more people here take you up on it and help out!

          For me, it’s way too much more work to do. I already
          am committed to my YT videos, media, some web sites, talking with
          people on the phone/helping families, picketing and writing
          my book…as well as a few other surprises.

          I know people ask me ALL THE TIME “How can we help?”
          Well…this IS a great way to help out.
          Good luck with it, and just make sure you do it in a way where
          they cannot use it against you. (Follow CL’s Rules and you should be fine) 🙂

          My best to you and all doing the RED X 🙂
          Tory/Magoo

          • AnonRedX

            Thank you Tory for your endorsement.
            Thank you for your work & activism.
            I find your video very educational about a very serious subject but with a certain humour and tongue in cheek. And of course the needling of OSA while protesting on their *own* pavement (priceless).
            tick tock davey!

  • Obviously

    Today’s posts leave me with this very general observation/question which I’m throwing out to no one in particular, any input would be appreciated. There is nothing at all about Hubbard that might give one the impression that he was the least bit intelligent. Yet here’s this complex scheme he designed that seems perfectly thought out to attract and keep the right kind of people, fleecing them for all they’re worth, alienating them from the rest of the world, driving them mad under the guise of giving them special abilities, and creating emotional dependence under the guise of showing them the one true path to spiritual freedom.

    Was the thick, schlubby persona just an affectation? It seems he was either an awfully lucky fat bastard to stumble — bit by bit — upon this astonishingly successful, lucrative and enduring system of subjugation and exploitation, or he had a streak of evil genius in him somewhere which he managed to keep hidden under a thoroughly lunkish exterior.

    What are the theories about this?

    • Tory Christman

      I cannot say it enough: Get the Book: “Captive Hearts, Captive Minds” or the many other books on Mind Control, and learn how it *really* works. It’s quite amazing. I’m re-studying that book now..and LOVING it.
      It answers SO many questions. 🙂 ((And of course, thank goodness you did not get suckered into *this* one…but it’s good for ALL to learn “What IS a Cult” as there are VERY specific things to know. Thankfully there is the Net 🙂 Even typing in “Mind Control” on YT will give you TONS of understanding. 🙂

      • Obviously

        Thanks Tory, I’ll look into these. I’ve never been in a cult per say, but — and I’m not kidding — in retrospect I’d say my high school marching band had some cultish aspects to it. And as an adult I did wake up one day to find myself in a relationship with a very controlling and manipulative man. I’m still scratching my head over that. I guess it was one of those boiling frog situations. If something completely unacceptable develops incrementally, we can allow ourselves to get into messes we would have sworn up and down would never be possible.

        Maybe Hubbard preached such disdain for psychology because he himself knew how to weaponize it.

        • Tory Christman

          No, Hubbard was anti-psychs because in the 50’s when he wrote Dianetics they were THE “Authorities” on the mind, and could have *any* day said “This is FOS” (in nicer words, of course LOL).

          You’re welcome and as I said, I’m so happy you haven’t been in a Cult. However, learning about them is:
          A) A fascinating read and
          B) will help you understand how any of us possibly got suckered “in” and

          C) Will give you more understanding IF you want to help those “in” 🙂
          This will help you understand that relationship and what *actually* happened.
          Love it about your marching band! 🙂 Love to you 🙂 Tory/Magoo

          • SvenBoogie

            Well, that, and also likely because he had several clear and documented psychiatric problems himself…

            • Tory Christman

              Xactly…but he’d never admit that, would he? LOL

            • SvenBoogie

              I’m not sure the word ‘admit’ was a part of tubby’s vocabulary =P

            • Eivol Ekdal

              Correct, he used the word “Affirmations”

    • SvenBoogie

      I don’t think the tubby demented clown persona was an act, at least, not any more than everything else about LRHuckster was an act. After reading ‘bare faced messiah’ I came away from it feeling like it was pretty clear exactly the type of person he was. He made up for his utter lack of genuine insight by just thinly copying bits of existing nonsense from a range of sources.

      • Obviously

        Reminds me that women used to use Lysol both as a douche and as a floor cleaner. Ew. From Wikipedia:

        In the late 1920s Lysol disinfectant began being marketed by maker Lysol, Incorporated and distributor Lehn & Fink, Inc. as a feminine hygiene product. It was claimed vaginal douching with a diluted Lysol solution prevented infections and vaginal odor, and thereby preserved youth and marital bliss.

        And Shimmer is a floor wax and a dessert topping: http://screen.yahoo.com/shimmer-floor-wax-000000185.html

        • SvenBoogie

          why?

          • Obviously

            I wasn’t paying attention and posted something twice.

    • Sue

      Yeah, I’d like to know how on earth he managed to swing it because I really cannot understand why people didn’t and don’t leave in droves when they get presented with this level of lunacy. I understand about the much mentioned mind control, but surely something this bizarre is enough to jolt people out of it. Once again, I’m left feeling sorry for the children who are introduced to this outlandish system of cobbled together beliefs by their parents and have no say in the matter.

    • EnthralledObserver

      The eternal question. I wrestle with this one frequently. My best guess is that he was a bit of each. Part evil genius, part lucky, fat bastard. It depends on the day which one I think was the majority.

    • Eivol Ekdal

      What Motivated L. Ron Hubbard? Historian Jon Atack Follows the Clues
      http://tonyortega.org/2013/08/26/what-motivated-l-ron-hubbard-historian-jon-atack-follows-the-clues/

  • Pierrot

    Good Day Bunkerites, RED Xers,

    While we are waiting for some goods news from Tony, do go and whack some of these pesky ads.

    If you have already gone through the list, check it again and go through the alerts that have gone later, and are posted after the list.

    https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-63#post-2436569

    • Eclipse-girl

      for the love

      • Pierrot

        Good Night to you.
        Shouldn’t you be sleeping.
        I hope that you are well.

        • Eclipse-girl

          Yes. I am going to bed right now. I am well. was chasing a rabbit today.

          • Robert Eckert

            And some other kind of creature was chasing you. Fortunately, a toothless creature.

    • Pierrot

      TY Aegerprimo

    • BumpIt McCarthy
      • BumpIt McCarthy
        • AnonRedX

          thank you, Bumpit, well spotted, be careful about counter ads, they are sometimes difficult to spot.
          Check WWP, there is a message waiting for you.

          • BumpIt McCarthy

            Eek! Where are blushing emoticons when I need them?

    • BumpIt McCarthy
      • Robert Eckert

        That’s a counter ad! Leave it be

        • BumpIt McCarthy

          Oh dear. A little knowledge etc.etc. My apologies.

        • Baby

          Yes..and I love it Robert!

        • Graham

          Noticed it was a counter ad just in time, so haven’t flagged. A very non-$camatology graphic was the first clue.

  • Tony Ortega

    Hey, gang. I’ve been chasing a breaking story into the wee hours, but it’s eluding me so far. So I may not post anything in the morning until I wait for some call backs. In the meantime, yes, I saw that Michelle Seward has posted a rough sketch of what she’s going through — she and I have talked for hours in the past, and I hope at some point to put together a story about her. But her situation is incredibly complex, and not something I can put together quickly. (And yes, if you’re paying attention, the breaking story I was chasing tonight is not related to Michelle.) So please be patient, and hopefully at some time on Thursday we might have a little surprise for everyone.

    • DodoTheLaser

      A little surprise, hmm…

      Where to begin?

      – Russian media asking you about scientology?
      – Shelly Miscavige is out?

      I will be patient…

    • Baby

      Thanks Tony.. We all have more patience than $… So thanks for all you do!

      • stanrogers

        Same here. Although that’s not saying much, really. I have no $, so even having very little patience is “more”. However, for the record, I am easily distracted, which is almost as good as patience if… SQUIRREL!!!!

        • Baby

          hahaha

    • Thursday is a good day for surprises…

      I’d hate to be the Damnation Navy slave whose job is to take this to David “he is NOT insane!” Miscavige. But then again, I’m sure the only reason they joined the Damnation Navy was those special moments…

      • DodoTheLaser

        “Thursday is a good day for surprises…”

        Especially if it’s before 2pm.

    • Tory Christman

      Take your time, Tony! Your surprises are *always* worth it!!

    • DodoTheLaser

      I know I said I will be patient, but what it’s about?

    • Scream Nevermore

      Just don’t post it around 1300 UK time, as my new cooker is being delivered and installed then, so I will be away from the PC! 😉

    • EnthralledObserver

      Ready when you are… 🙂 Thanks!

    • aegerprimo

      I look forward to when you cover the complex Michelle Seward story.

      For now, I’ll be hitting refresh for today’s humdinger!

  • media_lush

    … in that case here’s a way to pass 90 minutes or so…. (haven’t watched it yet but if anybody has please post your review)

    pic

    http://youtu.be/SFRt5rPYoBc

    • DodoTheLaser

      I watched this film partially 4-5 years ago, when I was still in.
      I just remember my impression that it was very realistic.
      It should definitely get more exposure. Thanks, M_L.

    • SvenBoogie

      Just an aside, if you want to watch the film with English subtitles, just turn captions on.

    • aegerprimo

      I saw this a few months ago. Good for exes and never-ins. I’m not a movie reviewer, but I give it two thumbs up. I would’ve liked to see more of the wife’s side of the story, joining the Sea Org at Flag, and the process of her brainwashing.

      Good movie, and it shows the devastating results of Scientology ethics and disconnection.

    • EnthralledObserver

      Wow… brilliant that they made this. Definitely worth seeing, though the story made me feel increasingly ill as it progressed. We need an English version for widespread distribution.

  • Scream Nevermore

    Despite going through all these levels, I still suffer from arthritis. I want my money back! Oh, wait, thank the gods I haven’t paid anything! Condolences to those poor souls who have.

    • Graham

      Yes, I’ve still got my arthritis too. But at least we never caught pneumonia and died when Tony exposed us to The Wall of Fire.

      • Scream Nevermore

        Unless it’s very sloooooow acting pneumonia…. 😉

        • DodoTheLaser

          It might be so slow that it might even take several lifetimes to catch it.

  • DodoTheLaser

    Katie Holmes new movie trailer just came out. Pretty Orwellian premise. Hmm…

    The Giver:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJNNugNe0Wo&feature=youtu.be

    • DodoTheLaser

      I know what movie I will watch on August 15.

    • EnthralledObserver

      Looks really good. And hey… was that Emilio Estevez among the other stellar cast? I was going to marry him when I was a teenager… *sigh*

      • EnthralledObserver

        Ah.. no it’s not, just the main character looked a bit like him in one shot, but a ‘younger’ him. Nevermind… you can’t have everything in one film… 😉

    • EnthralledObserver

      imdb states the writer (of the script, I imagine) was ‘anonymous’. I’m assuming it’s not ‘the’ Anonymous… but it gave me pause and a self-satisfied giggle.

    • Scream Nevermore

      Never heard of the novel, but I might look for it now.

      • DodoTheLaser

        Same here.

    • aegerprimo

      I read the book, about a year ago. Short and good read. I’m looking forward to the movie, and saw this trailer on TV the other day.

    • Elar Aitch

      Hmmm…and some mags think she would still take TC back if he gave up Scientology..

  • Scream Nevermore

    Incidentally, David Love hasn’t forgotten about his promised story – this was posted to an SP group on FB:

    • DodoTheLaser

      This reminds me –

      Quoting Marc Headley:

      “OSA PROTIP: If you are going to use local scilon spies to follow people, have them remove their “PSYCHIATRY KILLS” bumper stickers from their car. I’m just sayin’…”

      Also this photo below 🙂

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Also, nix on pink cars.

        • Tory Christman

          Love it!!

          Prior to this, My Favorite “PTS” sign is actually by non-scios….off the 101 Freeway:
          “PTS FURNITURE”…..we used to joke, even when “in”…about buying
          a chair from there, it then breaking.

          The boss falls on the floor (Like in the movie 9-5) and yells:
          “WHERE DID THIS CHAIR COME FROM, DAMN IT?”

          Answer: “PTS FURNITURE, SIR…YOU INSISTED”.

          LOL

          T

      • aquaclara

        Love that quote….it cracks me up.

  • Sydjazz
    • Scream Nevermore

      He was in touch with the SPs R Us people on FB, looking for help in getting his story into the media – sounds like the Sciloons gave him a rough time.

  • DodoTheLaser

    Tampa Ideal Org got a trophy (for still staying open, I suppose)! I think I just went exterior…

    “Our new trophy at reception for all staff and public to enjoy until it takes residence in our trophy case!
    We were #2 Internationally and #1 for East US!!! Last week we made highest ever Birthday game points that have ever been done by an org in a one week period! Thank you everyone that helped to make this happen!!!”

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Wow, you’re not kidding. If Tampa’s #2 internationally, scientology’s not just dead, the remains are stone cold and petrified.

      • Panopea Abrupta

        And the horse is someone just getting out ahead of the Posse

        • BumpIt McCarthy

          It’s the Horse Hockey Trophy!

          One of the most ridiculous features, to me, of Elron’s rickety construction is the bravura wishing-makes-it-so terminology of “tech.” What is technical about the druggie hallucinations he made everyone treat as received wisdom? Is it the swooshy metallic graphics of the course materials? Is it the twelve dollar ohmmeter tricked out in thousand dollar plastic formalwear?

          Whenever I read “tech,” I tend to hear it as “horse hockey.” Or something similar, involving a different animal.

    • cs sarabia

      I think this equine-related trophy is more suitable.

      http://www.mywct.com/products/images/P/125.jpg

  • Eivol Ekdal
  • Scream Nevermore

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvQNwu7XbVY&feature=youtu.be

    Not related, but apparently the Freewinds is in Aruba – an SP posted a picture of it at anchor yesterday.

    • aegerprimo

      Do you have a link to the pics?

      • Scream Nevermore
        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          hahahaha I’m shocked, shocked I tell ‘ya. No, not about the Freewinds, Patty Moher’s picture with her grandson. Patty looks so, so, so grownup! Patty has one of those bubbly personalities I always think of her age sweet 16 at heart.

          Imagine arriving for an awesome vacation at the island and this is the first thing you see. I thought the Fleawinds wasn’t stopping at Aruba lately. Hard to believe that junkyard can still get a certificate for anything. Unless … no scientology wouldn’t do that.

          My favorite comment on Patty’s page is from none other than Mark Ebner: “Miscavige is probably on board ducking subpoenas.”

    • Toni m

      It is very good. It will be perfect if they had included The Bunker in there. Mr Ortega deserves more recognition for the hard and professional work he does in denouncing scientology. He is been doing this for many years so he deserves to be in all this videos when people that fight against scientology are recognized.

  • AnonRedX

    The new list of co$ adverts is up. Come and join us for some $cientology bashing.

    It is stats Thursday we already have a good haul and we are expecting more to come,
    visit us again to check for the alerts later on this afternoon.
    And while we wait, have a go:

    https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-64#post-2437075

    Tory Magoo Christman has endorsed the RED X project see here:

    http://tonyortega.org/2014/03/19/finally-a-last-stand-against-space-cooties-its-scientologys-new-operating-thetan-level-seven/#comment-1292835447

    • AnonRedX

      TY Chutney

    • midatlanticcoast

      What about the Sun Pacific Loan Company ads in SF? Flag?

      • AnonRedX

        OOOPS I must check, thanks for noticing, I will come back to you asap.

      • AnonRedX

        They share the same street address as co$ at 800 Mendocino, I will see what I can do to avoid these embarrassing confusions.
        Do NOT flag, they are not our target. Thanks again for noticing and alerting.
        And thanks for being a dedicated team member

        • midatlanticcoast

          That’s what I thought it may be but ya never know. (Just to ease your mind, I didn’t flag them.) Thanks for checking.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Forest Tardibuono, Pres of Santa Ana Mission and Sun Pacific Loan. A salesman’s dream. Private Money and Hard Money Loans. That’s so perfect for scientologists who couldn’t get a loan at most banks.

        http://www.linkedin.com/in/sunpacmortgage

        http://www.corporationwiki.com/California/Santa-Rosa/forest-joseph-tardibuono/42400150.aspx

        • midatlanticcoast

          Looks like sci or someone linked to it will get them one way or another.

        • AnonRedX

          Thanks THDNE, according to you second link he is president of sci in santa rosa.
          But it is still not our target (unfortunately)

          • Toni m

            I thought that. Didn’t flag them.

    • Toni m

      Done. Blues and purples.

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    Looking forward to the Seward/Soref story updates and reveals. This should be something like one of those slimy horror movies that meets the Cap’n Howdy seal of approval and a parade of scientology’s snaggletooth creepy crawlies.

    I’ve been saying I think scientology is already dead and nothing more than a sales call center for the last couple of years and use the parasite/host analogies because that’s exactly what it is. It seems like we’re going to be witnessing more of an autopsy from here on out, the leeches still buried, still clutching on to the corpse with their filthy claws. Too much for breakfast? sorry.

    What we’re seeing slinking out from the grimy dark underbelly of scientology’s engine are the nefarious shysters and the lunatics who feed them. Buckle up Bunkaroos, it’s going to be a bumpy Reckoning.

    just a peek: http://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=111331&view=previous

    http://i.imgur.com/SY5u9dA.jpg

  • Mark

    Tony’s late today – could he have a juicy scoop hatching?

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      He posted about 8hours ago:

      “Hey, gang. I’ve been chasing a breaking story into the wee hours, but
      it’s eluding me so far. So I may not post anything in the morning until I
      wait for some call backs. In the meantime, yes, I saw that Michelle
      Seward has posted a rough sketch of what she’s going through — she and I
      have talked for hours in the past, and I hope at some point to put
      together a story about her. But her situation is incredibly complex, and
      not something I can put together quickly. (And yes, if you’re paying
      attention, the breaking story I was chasing tonight is not related to
      Michelle.) So please be patient, and hopefully at some time on Thursday
      we might have a little surprise for everyone.”

      • FromPolandWithLove

        So Dear Bunker Team let me join You in the waiting room:)

      • Mark

        Aha! I’m all a-quiver with anticipation! Thanks for bringing me up to speed, THDNE 🙂

      • aquaclara

        Thanks so much, Holey. I am still basking in the last week’s entire content here at the Underground Bunker. From sad to ridiculous to hugely important, to lol, Tony covered it all.
        I will never ever ever take an invisible body thetan for granted, I promise.
        Really.
        well, ok, maybe.

  • Missionary Kid

    While you’re waiting, [Headline] TV Dramas “Chicago P.D.” & “Chicago Fire” Renewed
    Source: http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/chicago-fire-chicago-pd-renewed-251179571.html#ixzz2wVmuMqXn

    • Toni m

      Great news,

  • Why is it .Yet tell me Oh learned Ot,s Just why do they “The BT ” get out of –or Clear so easily and we work supposed life Times;even.Billions of years to get it straight. Or go Clear.Yet a Good Auditor can set them free yet nOT me?…so simply .Why?