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Jon Atack on Scientology’s fundamental feature: the thousand-yard stare

StareJon Atack is the author of A Piece of Blue Sky, one of the very best books on L. Ron Hubbard and Scientology. He has a new edition of the book for sale, and on Saturdays he’s helping us sift through the legends, myths, and contested facts about Scientology that tend to get hashed and rehashed in books, articles, and especially on the Internet.

Once again, Jon takes apart a bedrock concept of L. Ron Hubbard’s cabal. Take it away, Jon…

JON: Scientologists will correct you, should you suggest that in Training Routine 0 you stare. ‘No,’ you will be assured, ‘You confront.’ Taxed on the difference between ‘confronting’ and ‘staring’ little of use is forthcoming. The difference, it seems, is too subtle for words.

But, OK, let’s go with ‘confronting.’ By learning to ‘confront’ people, we improve our communication skills and find the best way of making people comfortable, during their ‘processing.’ At least these are the assumptions that underlie belief in the sense of ‘confronting.’

Do people really feel more at ease when ‘confronted’? How is it conducive to the therapeutic process? The military and police forces about the globe teach this ‘look them straight in the eye’ technique, and Ronald Hubbard may well have learned it in the US Navy. In India, during the Raj, in the nineteenth century, soldiers were instructed to ‘face down’ the ‘natives.’ Among animals this locked-on eye contact means only one thing: you are prey and I am about to eat you. And you can watch as certain animals fall under the spell of this dominant ‘confronting.’ It might be why rabbits are stunned by headlights.

While the TR-0 ‘confront’ may have an effect upon the ‘preclear,’ it also has an effect upon the person doing the confronting. Fixed eye contact, as anyone who has tried it can tell you, leads to hallucination in the vast majority of people. Just look fixedly at a wall for ten minutes, and you will see distortions and changing colours. Sit in the dark in silence, and you will hear movements. In both cases, the mind is slipping out of neutral and contributing to what is perceived. Very much as it does on a hallucinogenic trip, except that if you relax the locked gaze, the hallucinations will go away. Unless, of course, you learn how to keep the gaze locked, through hours and hours of practice.

ScientologyMythbustingLocked perception has long been used to enter altered states of mind. Repeated phrases, whether made by Wordsworth or Krishna devotees, will lead to excited states of mind, which many people believe to be blissful. Staring at a wall may ultimately lead to some buddhic breakthrough, but along the way there is much illusion. Hypnotists often direct the gaze as their only means of induction. They can move a person into obedient states with ease. With TR-0, the clever part is that not only does the ‘auditor’ often move the ‘preclear’ into a hypnoid state, but that the auditor, too, maintains a special state by staring (sorry, ‘confronting’).

Unlearning the stare — let’s call a stare a stare, here — took me six months. I have never felt like staring at anyone since. It makes you seem threatening to most people: domineering, overpowering. And it limits your perception of the environment, even, curiously, of the subject of your stare. And, oddly enough, confronting people shows them that you are confrontational and it certainly doesn’t put anyone at the ease, or make them willing to open up to you.

TR-0 makes a perfect trap for all concerned. Between them, auditor and preclear seek the ‘end phenomena’ of the ‘process.’ This will be a realization or ‘cognition’ (interesting redefinition there), ‘very good indicators’ — beaming — and with a ‘floating needle’ on the e-meter. Whether the needle floats on heroin or cocaine, I do not know, but it likely does. In other words, the person feels an intense positive emotional state, as dopamine and serotonin marinade the brain. It will be transitory, and will usually pass within hours. For many, the goal becomes achieving these carefree, euphoric moments, in the belief that they will somehow appreciate into knowledge or supernatural abilities. The entranced believer treks from stage to stage, lapping up the entirely false claims about the wonders ahead. But history tells us that Scientology doesn’t lead to success in any walk of life. It more usually leads to betrayal and bankruptcy. Time to lose the stare.

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on January 18, 2014 at 07:00

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  • Verve

    At this point I release the Monkey Hoarde to feast on their flesh. And monkeys never blink.
    I love Jon, he brings out the insanity in a way we (the not insane) can (sorta) see what he is saying.

    That’s all I gots, this wakkka shiiite is just too weird, man(lady).

    Maybe I need more Caed and Coffay!

    (And if you turn out to be my friend on the other site, you owe me cookies. Woot!)

  • Missionary Kid

    One technique that DIs use is to let a person talk and make no response other than possibly a quizzical expression while being stared at. If the person has any doubts, they soon start to try to explain or amplify what they were talking about.

    Another technique is to repeat the last part of what a person has said with either a flat affect or a questioning tone. The same result usually happens. People are uncomfortable with silences in conversations, so they try to fill them.

    That is an interrogation technique.

    • Betsy

      Kid, I underwent a minor cult training (Insight, which was the public training of MSIA, run by LRH imitator John-Roger). One of the first things was the staring at another person without blinking. I always wondered what the point was, but it had to be that if you rose in the cult ranks you would be expected to use it.

      The repeating in a flat tone is good. You’re right, the result is that the other person starts trying to explain himself. I wonder if there are similar techniques in written communications?

      • Cat Daddy

        I once wanted to buy a Guy Fawkes Mask, the guy that “helped” me was taller than me and began hoovering over me and staring, told me they didn’t have it in stock and it was very expensive to order.

        The hoovering and staring started after I explained that I wanted a mask to protest against Scientology

        I never did IRL tough, but I wasn’t as much creeped out by the guy but tought to myself: “This guy has some serious issues interacting with others”

      • Missionary Kid

        In written communications, repeating what the person said, along with something vaguely provocative. That’s what trolls do when they drop in here to provoke the Bunkaroos.

        • Betsy

          Of course! I suppose there is a likelihood that the trolls work for Ms. Cabbage, too…

      • jane456

        Whatever happened to John-Roger? Did you know Ariana Huffington used to be involved and Sally Kirkland was and might still be a minister?

        • Betsy

          You know, I’d like to know about J-R myself. By now he’s pretty long in the tooth. He gave up the running of the “church” to a protegee at least 5 years ago, I think. I knew about Ariana Huffington and it was a long time before I could bring myself to take her seriously as a result. Don’t know if Sally Kirkland is still a minister.

          I was only a “public Insight member” if you can say that about MSIA. But the man I worked for and his wife were both ministers, and the wife was a big, big wheel who ran many Insight seminars. At some point she made a wrong step with J-R and got thrown out with great acrimony.

          One of the reasons I thought of MSIA was that this woman definitely had the thousand-yard stare and other Tommy Davis-esque techniques down pat. I was really lucky that I didn’t get sucked into the MSIA part of it. As in the early parts of Scientology training (as I understand them), Insight DID have useful results. Only years later did I start sorting out the useful ones from the manipulative ones.

          J-R MUST have had some contact with Scientology, because he seems to have copied LRH slavishly in various ways. Peter McWilliams, his co-author and follower, wrote a book about J-R called “Life 102: What to do if your Guru Sues You.” Peter M. later committed suicide. J-R tried to destroy him using similar dirty tricks to LRH, but he was always just a pale imitation of the Master.

        • Betsy

          By the way (sorry to go on about myself) were you a member? Does it seem to you that J-R was a conscious imitator of LRH?

          • jane456

            No, I was in a tiny cult that had some infamy in it’s day. I met someone from the JR group years ago and you reminded me when you mentioned it. There has been lots of speculation about how these cult leaders seem to know instinctively how to control people. I think it is the innate predatory nature of the leader as well as poaching from other groups. Marshall Applewhite was a big poacher. They take stuff they feel like they can use and infuse their personality. Quite the recipe, eh? My group did long days, sleep deprivation, isolation, chanting, music. It is all different ways to achieve the same ends: thought stopping, unquestioned loyalty to the “cause”. I suppose it can seem kind of amazing to people that by abusing people in these ways you can get them to give up their own ideas and views and to some degree their value as humans. In my group I for sure felt that the only thing of value about me was that I was a servant of the “cause”. Makes me want to cry when I think about it too much. I can tell you this for sure, if you had told me before I walked in those doors that this could happen to me, I would never have believed you.

            • Betsy

              “long days, sleep deprivation, isolation, chanting, music”…oh boy, does that sound familiar. You are absolutely right that those things bring about a change in mental state. One thing I remember is that after each level, when everyone was feeling all loving and high and united, they hit you up for money on the evening of “graduation.” People who had been sharing stories about fearing that they would be evicted for non-payment of rent, people with sick children, just forked out the money like mad. I think I’ve heard that a similar thing happens after CO$ “wins”. Then after a while the euphoria would wear off and I know many people found themselves in MORE trouble than before. One of the key elements to Insight was “Abundance” — if you are constantly giving away money, you will have abundance. Of course, if it didn’t work out that way it was because the poor student wasn’t trying hard enough. At least J-R was sort of a bargain-basement guru. The training didn’t cost anything like as much as CO$ training.

              I hope you got out before too much damage was done. Like you, I wouldn’t have believed that I would have done the things they got me to do.

      • grundoon

        A great many cult founders received training in Scientology before setting out on their own.

        The point of the staring drill might only be to establish your willingness to submit to authority and get with the program regardless of the discomfort to yourself and your twin and the transgression of social norms.

        • Betsy

          Yes, that makes sense. The Insight training routine (I did 3 levels) involved a lot of “submission” things. There were people outside to prevent your leaving and that kind of thing. I would like to know, now, whether John-Roger took Scientology. Too much of what people describe here turned up (in a much diluted form) in Insight. And there was also the fact that every member of J-R’s MSIA was “a minister”. And — I think I read something similar about LRH — J-R didn’t like onions or garlic, so his followers didn’t eat them either. The couple I knew asked me to design a trip to Italy for them once. I did, but was gritting my teeth…because I knew that in every wonderful restaurant they would ask for meals with no onions or garlic. In Italy!

  • My name is Larry Lester

    We did a very similar drill/process at drama school. I asked where this training came from and was told it was common. Maybe the Theiflord (LRH) ‘adopted it’ from an old drama 101 book..

    • Missionary Kid
    • MarionDee

      At the Neighborhood Playhouse method school in New York it’s an exercise called (duh) “repetition” and much of the first year’s training is spent doing it. (Neighborhood Playhouse became a method school in the mid 1930s, when Sanford Meisner, a follower of Stanislavski, took it over.) You might start with “I like your dress,” and I would reply “I like your dress,” not to confront or challenge, but just to absorb the information. This goes on and on, but inevitably the undercurrent, the subtext, starts to change spontaneously, until someone bursts out with an unplanned change of statement, e.g. “Well, I always like a wrap dress!” The reply would be “Well, I always like a wrap dress,” but due to the rising tide of meaning, the repetition this time might be contemplative, or incredulous, or whatever … bringing a response of “You got a problem with that?” or something else … again, an unplanned, spontaneous change.The idea is to really listen, be in the moment, absorb, and act naturally…. but you must repeat the sentence. Of course, acting naturally means you will eventually rebel against the rule and follow the urge to go off-script. …. It’s possible AllWrong Hubbard heard of the exercise and, well, got it all wrong.

    • grundoon

      L. Ron Hubbard signed up for full time acting classes at the Geller Theater Workshop in October 1947 to qualify for a $90/month educational stipend from the Veterans Administration. He dropped out or was kicked out after a few weeks and the VA demanded $51 back.

      Theatre of Arts, the
      longest continuously operating acting school in LA, has gone through
      numerous name changes; from 1941 to 1959 it was known as the Geller Theatre Workshop. The GI Bill paid for many ex-military to take dramatics training there, among them writer John Gilmore. Leon Drew, who taught there, recalled,
      “We taught in shifts, from 8 in the morning until midnight. Our theater
      was never dark, and among our students were youngsters like Maria Riva,
      Marlene Dietrich’s daughter, … Mary K. Wells, Lin McCarthy and Harry
      Lauter.”

      In a lecture “HOW TO HANDLE AUDIENCES” on 1 November 1956, Hubbard said:

      I was going to the Geller Theater Workshop in Hollywood, after the war. And I walked in, and was going through all the class — everything was going along fine, smoothly, pleasantly. I was learning to say “How now brown cow?” along with the young starlets and so forth. I was studying acting, was what I was doing, to find out how to make actors, because it seemed to me that there was an answer to the mind and to training in the field of acting. I felt that acting was a sort of a synthetic living. And what you could know about it as a synthetic thing you might then be able to apply to life and so understand life a little better.

      I, by the way, didn’t finish up there at all. I got vastly fascinated with other things. And I was a writer, not an actor, anyway, you see. And I became very enamored with other fields of action, and became particularly enamored with processing the young actors who were going there. And actually, to the last days I was in Los Angeles, these kids used to come up from there saying “I hear you can do something for me.” And I usually did, one way or the other. I’d square them away on this subject.

      • MarionDee

        That is fascinating. Sounds like he didn’t understand acting (Method or otherwise) in the slightest. But in a way, he became one, through hucksterism.

  • My name is Larry Lester

    Thanks Jon. I believe your A Piece of blue sky to be the absolute best book around on the cult

  • Jon Hendry

    Primates interpret eye contact as an assertion of dominance, and react aggressively. If you work with lab macaques, you need to not look them in the eye, or they will show their teeth, hit the bars of the cage really loudly, etc.

    There’s a zoo in Europe, where visitors to the gorilla exhibit are given special cardboard ‘glasses’ that have human eyes printed on them, which are shown looking to the side, instead of straight on, so that the gorillas won’t react aggressively.

    • chukicita

      There are also human cultures where to look someone directly in the eye is most rudely challenging and disrespectful; other human cultures tend to consider people responding with their eyes cast downward as being shifty or untruthful, when in their way they are simply being polite.

      • joan nieman

        Good point chukicta.

    • kemist

      Staring a cat in the eye unblinkingly will also piss it off. For some it might mean an attack, for others they’ll simply go away from you.

      If you blink slowly, that’ll reassure them and they’ll just go back to what it is they were doing.

      • MarionDee

        I’ve read that the slow blink of a cat is a sign of contentment and love. Absence of a blink … the opposite.

  • Missionary Kid

    This is totally unofficial, but I thought it would be fun to name a virtual award for some action that a person has openly taken to bring about the failure of the criminal enterprise known as $cientology. I asked for nominees for such a virtual award. The nominations will be closed Sunday, January 19th, when Tony’s post goes up.

    My thought is that both people in the cult and outside the cult would be eligible for such an award, but some people think that a separate award for people inside the cult, like Tom Cruise or Tommy Davis should be given, so I’ve listed both.
    Award Name Nominees for Best Bunker Action
    Beyond the Bunker Medal of Valor
    Bunker Balls
    Bunker Spunk award
    Clam
    CLAMMY award
    Footbullet Revealed Award + for Uncompromising Dedication – FRAUD
    Footbullet Revealed Award for Undeterred Dedication – FRAUD
    Footbullett Award for Investigative Readership – FAIR
    Golden ‘Turby
    Golden Glib
    Golden Rod
    Gung Ho Award
    Highly polished, Thetan Postulated, Gold Plated Turd Award
    Interstellar Footbullet Award – IFA
    Investigating Footbullets Award – IF Award
    KEY TO THE BUNKER AWARD!!!!!!
    KSW Award (Keep $ciontology Wary)
    Minty (Named after Bob Minton)
    Order of Holothuroidea, 1st Class
    OT Award
    Scico Trophy
    Sea Cucumber Award
    Shorty Award
    Slappy Award
    SSLAPP award (Showing Scientology Lies as Pure Propaganda).
    TENTacle Award
    Tommy – The Academy of Dismantling The Cult Award
    Turby (Comes from enturbulate)

    Award for biggest Clam Footbullet or Douchebaggery:
    Captain Blackheart Footbullet Award
    Footbullet Award
    Golden Turd Award
    Tommy Davis Award

    • Anonymous

      I will not rest until someone has been given the Tommy Davis Award!

    • Zaphod Beeblebrox

      For really special occasions, can we have a ‘Niblet Award’, please?

      • Miss Tia

        I second a niblet award! 😀

    • Graham

      Bunker Spunk award

      Do be aware that the S word has a radically different meaning in British English compared to American English.

      • Missionary Kid

        It also has that connotation in American English, but it is not a primary one.. I’ll put a note on it.

    • Ten Aug

      I think it has to be a “Tommy” doesn’t it?

      Whichever Miscavige tool… I mean thumb… sorrry I mean Tom you pick, an award in their name seems appropriate.

    • Bob

      MK, here are few awards that people will definitely want:

      Patron with Dishonor, Patron Delitrious, New Civilization Detractor, Humanitarian Hijacker, The Golden SP award, Platinum SP award, Diamond Platinum SP award, Power SP award, Golden Clam Award(given to people like Kirstie Ally and Jenna Elfman), the COB Award of Infamy,
      Ideal Org Destoyer, Ideal Org. Obliterator, ideal Org. Nuker, Power Clam Cracker and The Golden Rockslam award. I can do more if you want.

      • Missionary Kid

        Let me sort through them. I’m not going to get involved with degrees. That’s for other people to add after we’ve decided the name.

        • Bob

          Whatever you choose. Just fun to make up.

          Squirrel of the Year, and the Golden Squirrel. Two more.

          And Founding SP, for very early declared people.

    • Great White Clam

      Why not call the award “The Miscavige” or “The Miss Cabbage” or “The Cabbage” or “Cabbages”

      As in, “In other news, DM was awarded three Cabbages today for his latest footbullet…….”

    • Sherbet

      Good luck, Kid. Already this has become more complicated than you expected. 🙂

      • joan nieman

        It is becoming very complicated.

    • And I don’t rent cars!

      The Bunker Beat Truth Award (using “Bunker Beat” here – similar to a “police beat” – as it was often used in print journalism, i.e., newpapers and/or magazines, where they had a “So-and-So Beat” and where features were written on a particular topic or subject, section of town, local politics, etc.

      or simply, The Truth Award

  • EnthralledObserver

    *stares*

  • Sidney18511

    Thank goodness for Jon Atack and his way of explaining the crazy to a never-in like myself.

  • Truthiwant

    After TR 0 comes TR 1 which is called Dear Alice and you are required to read extracts from Alice in Wonderland so as to be able to get a communication across to your ‘twin’ (coach). You have just learned how to ‘confront’ anybody with a thousand yard stare on TR 0 and now it is time to be able to ‘communicate’ faultlessly (or flublessly in Scientology jargon) with everyone.

    How ironic to read phrases like this, sitting in a Scientology Org Academy…

    “How do you know I’m mad?” said Alice.

    “You must be,” said the Cat, or you wouldn’t have come here.”

    • joan nieman

      Thank you Jon. You have given me a better understanding of the tactics used in the cherch.

      • Truthiwant

        I’m not Jon, but I’m happy that you are understanding what the C of S is really all about!

    • pronoia

      When I began to read your comment, I thought it was satire. But then I realized that the insertion of Alice and Wonderland just too wacky not to be real.

      • Truthiwant

        No, it’s not satire this time! What I have written is 100% standard Scientology Tech! No kidding. I think Alice in Wonderland is the only non L. Ron Hubbard book that you will find in an Org if you don’t include the Oxford or Webser’s dictionary.

        • pronoia

          Reminds me that the Eagle’s song “Hotel California” captured the Alice in Wonderland vibe of scientology perfectly!

          • Pete Cockerell

            You can check out any time you like,
            But you can never leave

            (Unless you blow under cover of darkness on a motorbike.)

            • Exterrier

              Love. That is exactly the way it works!!! That should appear at the top of Mm issionary Kid’s. Things said about Siphonallogy list.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Les Dane’s “Big League Sales Closing Techniques.

      • Troy MacGyver

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWWsfrfq69A

        “remember what the Dormouse said,feed(sometimes,feed) your head

        • pronoia

          in Colorado!

    • villagedianne

      Funny thing. There is conspiracy theory about the use of the book Alice in Wonderland to train government mind-controlled slaves.

      • Truthiwant

        There are quite a few theories about why Alice in Wonderland is used for the TRs.

      • Exterrier

        I’m surprised they didn’t use Catcher in the Rye as well.

        • Missionary Kid

          Catcher in the Rye is too anti-authoritarian.

          • Exterrier

            He he. I mention it because of the connection to the assassins of Lennon, Reagan, and I believe Wallace. Those guys had multiple copies, and a thing for Jodie Foster, ha. As alluded to in the Mel Gibson Conspiracy Theory Movie, phrases from the book were used as code words to trigger prior trance induced responses, much like the Queen of Diamonds was used in Manchurian Candidate. Alice inWonderland is alleged to have been used for the same purpose in MK Ultra type experiments. See Walter Bowarts “Operation: Mind Control” , a book which exposed U.S. Mind Control experimentation, and helped set off the Church Committee Hearings. If you can find a copy.

          • Exterrier

            He he. I mention it because of the connection to the assassins of Lennon, Reagan, and I believe Wallace. Those guys had multiple copies, and a thing for Jodie Foster, ha. As alluded to in the Mel Gibson Conspiracy Theory Movie, phrases from the book were used as code words to trigger prior trance induced responses, much like the Queen of Diamonds was used in Manchurian Candidate. Alice inWonderland is alleged to have been used for the same purpose in MK Ultra type experiments. See Walter Bowarts “Operation: Mind Control” , a book which exposed U.S. Mind Control experimentation, and helped set off the Church Committee Hearings. If you can find a copy.

            • pronoia

              What is the connection between Jodie Foster and the Catcher in the Rye (other than John Hinkley Jr)?

            • Exterrier

              I may have my assassin nerds conflated, but did both the the Reagan and Lennon shooters have crushes/obsessions on her, or just Hinckly?

            • pronoia

              Hinckly famously did. Though I never heard knew he had an obsession also with Catcher in the Rye. But Chapman and Jodie Foster? Never ever ever heard that It is the kind of thing which would’ve been headlines if it were the case. And Wallace — Jodie Foster was just a little girl when he was shot.

            • Missionary Kid

              I’d like to see the dox that story is based on. Otherwise, I’d put it in the category of a

              late night talk show theorist. After all, Mel Gibson is the product of a wacko ultra-conservative Catholic upbringing that espouses all sorts of weird theories. That’s why his dad moved from the U.S. to Oz.

              Catcher in the Rye was a very popular book from the late 1950s on. The story of coming of age resonates with many boys Holden Caulfield’s age and older. It is still popular.

        • villagedianne

          I’ve heard of other books that were used as well, specifically the Oz books, as in the Wizard of Oz.

    • Phil de Fontenay

      No this is NOT Standard! You need to leave out the “said”

      Revised 19th January 2014 😉

      “How do you know I’m mad?”

      “You must be, or you wouldn’t have come here.”

      So happy to help keep the tech standard ~LOL

      Cheers!

      Phil

      • Truthiwant

        You’re right. I forgot that! So many years since I did this stuff.

        • Phil de Fontenay

          No problem. Just report to the Cram Off and get this handled!!! ~LOL

    • Lady Squash

      And to think, it was all there. Plain as day on “Dear Alice”.

  • Xique

    “And oddly enough , confronting people shows them that you are confrontational , and certainly doesn’t put anyone at ease.” I have to agree with you Jon. Thank you for your thoughts on TRO, it helps me .

  • Lord Xenu, OT XV

    Yeah…when I left SCN, I noticed that people didn’t like me intensely “confronting” them, so I changed my behavior to suit the culture.
    Groups/cultures evolve acceptable behaviors within them over time, and to act outside of them is to make them feel ill-at-ease. That’s not building “ARC.”

  • Ten Aug

    Very astute as ever Mr. Atack.

    “Whether the needle floats on heroin or cocaine, I do not know, but it
    likely does. In other words, the person feels an intense positive
    emotional state, as dopamine and serotonin marinade the brain.”

    And how many experience this “peak experience” for the simple reason that they believe they have finally finished whatever it is they spent hours, days, weeks, months or years trying to finish so that they can get onto the next “level” where the magic really happens?

    Yes it is a “neat trick” isn’t it Laffy.

    A piece of blue sky indeed.

  • BosonStark

    I think the Sea Org term “fixed dedicated glare” is funnier, and crazier, since if a person tried to keep that up all the time they would go nuts. Just the idea of some loon trying to look dedicated to Scientology every moment…

    • grundoon

      The “fixed dedicated glare” isn’t just for the Sea Org. It’s one of the most famous phrases in Scientology, from KSW 1, HCO POLICY LETTER OF 7 FEBRUARY 1965, “KEEPING SCIENTOLOGY WORKING,” which is the first checksheet item on virtually every major course. Every Scientologist studies it and must comply. The quote in context:

      When somebody enrols, consider he or she has joined up for the
      duration of the universe — never permit an “open-minded” approach. If
      they’re going to quit let them quit fast. If they enrolled, they’re
      aboard, and if they’re aboard, they’re here on the same terms as the
      rest of us — win or die in the attempt. Never let them be half-minded
      about being Scientologists. The finest organizations in history have
      been tough, dedicated organizations. Not one namby-pamby bunch of
      panty-waist dilettantes have ever made anything. It’s a tough universe.
      The social veneer makes it seem mild. But only the tigers survive — and
      even they have a hard time. We’ll survive because we are tough and are
      dedicated. When we do instruct somebody properly he becomes more and
      more tiger. When we instruct half-mindedly and are afraid to offend,
      scared to enforce, we don’t make students into good Scientologists and
      that lets everybody down. When Mrs. Pattycake comes to us to be taught,
      turn that wandering doubt in her eye into a fixed, dedicated glare and
      she’ll win and we’ll all win. Humor her and we all die a little. The
      proper instruction attitude is, “You’re here so you’re a Scientologist.
      Now we’re going to make you into an expert auditor no matter what
      happens. We’d rather have you dead than incapable.”
      – L. Ron Hubbard

      • Cat Daddy

        purrrrfect

  • Andrew Robertson

    That was an excellent analysis by Jon of Tr0’s ‘Blinkless Stare’. It seems to me in a figurative way, that this is what’s currently going on in a Texas courtroom. But I wonder who is going to blink first and let the other dominate. Monique has a winning hand, either a large settlement to stop Miscavige suffering his fear of being deposed, or a likely much larger settlement and bad publicity for the Church if the case goes before a jury.

    Could this battle be Miscavige’s Waterloo? I picture him as the Emperor Napoleon I and the noble Ray Jeffrey as the Duke of Wellington.

    Andrew

    (The weather in Saint Helena is cloudy, with a chance of scattered showers, 71°F)

  • KNMF

    When I was about 9, an older kid down the street taught me that if I wanted to get under somebody’s skin, like a teacher of instance, I should fix my stare into their left eye Because it’s disconcerting. Lo and behold, it worked!
    I also learned how to make myself dizzy, how to hyperventilate, how to throw up, all kinds of “tech” interesting to a curious kid.

    Years later I became interested in a religion, an actual religion, and there were no lessons, drills or information about staring, manipulating myself or others, or any other tricks for kids.

  • chukicita

    Sincere thanks to Mr. Atack for this thoughtful and cogent explanation. Although I’ve been watching Scn, Inc. for many years, I never could wrap my brain around the 1000 yard stare. I understand a little more now. And nothing forced me to write this ‘win.’

  • Edward Whalley

    Hm. Some more interesting tech for protestors: staring back. As I’ve indicated, nothing looks to work on Scns better than tossing back whatever scraps of Scientology one knows: “Do fish swim?” “Don’t bull-bait me!” and so on. I’ve gotten people down from “confrontational” to downright fearful looks, merely by a) staying calm, and b) showing that you know what they do. Interesting indeed!

  • valshifter

    I was doing a drill one time and I was piss about something else, and the sup kept on asking me do you feel better , do you feel better good ha good, and I told her no I don’t feel better and I don’t think this is working, and she got on my face and she told me “you have a strong mind you need to loose it” , that bugged me for a while, since when having a strong mind was a defect?

    • Missionary Kid

      Having any part of your mind that wasn’t dedicated to their way of doing things was a defect, to their way of thinking.

    • Great White Clam

      Soon after first entering any $cilon org.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      That’s a PTS Type H, Val! Open minded and that’s baaaad. This is another example of why I state you can’t cherry pick which scientology parts are useful or safe. Hubbard’s ethics tech is involved in every morsel. Besides PTS meaning someone is suppressing you now, or in your past track, there is also the PTS Types A – J.

      Here’s a list of them on this page. Never Ins can see what I mean which there’s no such thing as a safe part of scientology techniques:

      http://www.xenu-directory.net/glossary/glossary_p.htm

  • Molar Mountre

    Staring? They could just be ‘admiring’ you until you go boom.

    • Cat Daddy

      Ignore the downvotes, It means the Scilons are trying to discourage you

      • Molar Mountre

        Downvotes here are pretty much the same as upvotes, it means there is a response to a thought. Response means reaction, and therefore someone’s probably got more auditing to do, to get rid of their little ‘reactive mind,’ if they are indeed a Scilon. Therefore upvotes are upvotes and scilon downvotes are upvotes.

  • BeezleBobby

    Very illuiminating, especially that last paragraph.
    I’ve often thought that one of the attractions of Scientology is that the TR’s etc would give you more confidence, make you more willing to ‘confront’ or deal with issues head on instead of avoiding them as I have a tendency to do myself. I can see how easy it would be for some people to get sucked in by this aspect if introduced at the right time in their lives. But Jon puts this whole ‘confront’ business in perspective, allowing us to see what it really is. And how to most people on the outside, ‘confront’ doesn’t come across as confidence and assertiveness, but creepiness.

  • kemist

    I’m surprised that stare doesn’t get them punched in the face often.

    In some parts of cities I’ve been to, to stare at somebody like that is enough to start a fight. I certainly wouldn’t recommend it if someone wishes to stay alive and keep their teeth intact.

    • Cat Daddy

      Would be funny in places like Harlem

      • kemist

        For added fun, do it while wearing a t-shirt with a nice Hubbard quote about people of african descent.

        Let’s see how long that “confront” lasts !

        • WG

          They sorta do something like that in Die Hard 3. John McLean has to wear a sign and walk through Harlem at the start of the movie… With a ‘bad $&@! hangover!’ to boot 😉

          There’s a process Miscavige can add to the bridge! LOL

          • kemist

            Hehehe…

            The Whupass Rundown.

            EP : It hurts to breathe.

          • Cat Daddy

            Entertaining movie that is

      • MaxSpaceman

        which has been my ‘hood since 1999.

        • Cat Daddy

          Ever stared at anybody there ?

          • kemist

            It seems Harlem is much better than its reputation warrants nowadays.

            I have found places where staring at people is unwise in relatively calm (violent crime-wise) Montreal.

            I definitely would not try such a thing in some areas of Toronto. Beyond getting beaten up, you might get shot or stabbed over there.

            The worse place to do such thing today ? Detroit perhaps.

            • Cat Daddy

              Yes I remember now, Harlem has had an uplift overall in all areas of life

            • MaxSpaceman

              Well, Spanish Harlem (the eastern part) hasn’t changed all that much. It’s been fairly cool since the early 90s or before. Central and West Harlem have seen the changes of which you refer. It started with The City plan to sell all the abandoned apartment buildings and Brownstones back to the people who later began to occupy them, as after the Harlem Riots in the 60s, the City became the biggest landlord ever. That plan worked fairly well (the City funded the purchases of buildings to tenant corporatioins). For those many many bldgs. for which that did not work, it was, after eons, opened to ‘fair market.’ That’s when Columbia University and Big Boy Realtors swooped in and began ‘gentrifying’ Central & West Harlem, somewhat. It is a big effort, yes- since around 2004 til now, ongoing. But the core of Harlem is it’s original people. I have seen a lot of changes here since 1999. Mixing gentrification with the people and housing that have bee here all along has been working out nicely, actually. For example, in East Harlem (Spanish Harlem), the food has always been abundantly available and good. Not so in the rest of Harlem, as it became impossible to open a ‘cash establishment’ like a restauraunt, for example, because of the likelihood of robbery. So- the only thing one could find forever in every direction was barbershops, beauty shops/hair extension shops, Kennedy Fried Chicken (burgers, pizza, fries, chicken). No diners, not a place to eat that was decent for scores of blocks; Chinese Take Out joints (buying the cheapest garbage food and cooking it up for the locals). It was pretty awful for that; you had to leave the ‘hood to grab a bite; sucks. Even that, now, is beginning to change.

              The ‘uplifting’ of Frederic Douglass Blvd. (8th Avenue) has been and is the single biggest shift in Central and West Harlem lifestyle. That’s been a good thing, really- many more shops, various and sundry, more businesses opening, ongoing.

              And, of course, the tourists, who come in droves on Sundays, to witness West Harlem church-going, a massive enterprise. That is the day we hear German, French,, Italian, lots of different languages, from people all over the area, as they the churches of West Harlem are quite the tourist attraction.

              That is all to the update of the Harelm ‘uplifting.’

            • Cat Daddy
    • Betsy

      I wonder if the stare is the reason I would just love to punch Tommy Davis in the face? (Please, just once!)

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        Of course, you are speaking metaphorically, right? We do not advocate violence of any kind here n the Bunker.

        • Betsy

          Absolutely metaphorically! I would never really punch anyone in the face. But we can’t control our dreams…I’m actually surprised that he hasn’t be assaulted by someone in the outside world. He almost seems to be inviting it. Well, good TRs, Tommy.

  • Cat Daddy

    To Maxspaceman you ment Affirmations instead of Axioms the other day
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirmations_%28L._Ron_Hubbard%29
    Posting random scientology ad:
    http://www.lermanet.com/exit/dianetics-hypnosis.jpg

    • Great White Clam

      “If not satisfied return in 10 days for refund.”

      Wonder what year the cult finally removed that phrase from adverts.

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        This was not an advert from the CoS. It was written to promote a book about hypnosis which included a chapter debunking Dianetics with regards to hypnosis.

        • Great White Clam

          No wonder it had an if not satisfied return in 10 days for refund clause. It never was a clam advert!

          • Missionary Kid

            Clams never give refunds.

    • MaxSpaceman

      Thank you bruthah- yes, I saw your correction. For that post, I wasn’t paying sufficient attention to maintain accuracy, not that I was inebriated in any way.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Not a Scientology ad, actually. It used the word “Dianetics” in bold text to attract some of the attention that it was getting at the time (1953), but was a book about hypnosis.

      • Cat Daddy

        corrected

  • ze moo

    The ‘thousand yard stare’ is ‘limp, unfocused gaze of a battle-weary soldier, but the symptom it
    describes may also be found among victims of other types of trauma.’ It does not herald communication or anything beyond , ‘ I can’t see you so you don’t exist’. Not any ‘confront’ in it. Just signs of ‘victimhood’. Victims are the primary product (EP, end phenomenon) of $cientology.

    Rabbits don’t like bright lights because they overpower their ‘low light eyes’.

    Do Bette Davis eyes qualify?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPOIS5taqA8

    • Betsy

      Moo! Bette Davis eyes are SEDUCTIVE. The thousand-yard stare is…well, I’m not sure what the word is, but not seductive. Maybe more like someone being interrogated in the dark with a bunch of flashlights pointed at his face.

      • ze moo

        What about Marty Feldman eyes? There aren’t that many songs about eyes, though my favorite is Peter Gabriel’s ‘in your eyes’.

  • K2P2

    I was taught that staring or “confronting” with a stare was impolite, if not down right rude. I’m learning that Scientology IS “opposite-land” regarding everything that is acceptable in a civil society.
    Their main goal IS control – and of course $.

    Thank you, Mr Atack, for yet another deconstructing look at $cientology methods.

    I particularly like your concluding line: “But history tells us that Scientology doesn’t lead to success in any
    walk of life. It more usually leads to betrayal and bankruptcy. Time to lose the stare.”

    Let it be so.

    • Cat Daddy

      I see that the downvoter are onboards

      they are a sad lot aren’t they

      • Once_Born

        There seems to be a change in tactics – rather than spreading single downvotes at random, they are ‘concentrating their fire’ on relative newcomers (K2P2 gets 4 downvotes for a post that real contributors are upvoting).

        Perhaps we should keep an eye out for people making their first post, who might be discouraged by a lot of downvotes…

        • Cat Daddy
          • Betsy

            You just made my entire morning, Mr. Daddy…thanks! (Let’s see how many microseconds it takes for this to get its downvotes.)

            • Missionary Kid

              Somebody is trying to troll you, IMO. Welcome.

        • K2P2

          Getting hit with down votes might discourage me from commenting- but it won’t stop me from coming to Tony’s Bunker every day to read, read, read. It won’t stop me from reading books about Scientology, (Beyond Belief, Inside Scientology, Going Clear, Blown for Good, Counterfeit Dreams, My Billion Year Contract, A piece of Blue Sky, etc, etc) and it won’t stop me from talking with my friends about how to learn more about this destructive “chirch”. Of course this is my opinion, but that’s what free speech is about in the good ole US of A. 🙂

          Thanks for the welcome and support from the regulars here.

          • Betsy

            As a fellow down-voted who has also received a nice bunch of attacks on my personality, my reason for being here, my reason for being AT ALL…I agree. I am so outraged by what I have read in the above books (except I haven’t read My Billion Year Contract…that’s next) that the bringing down of this evil thing seems primary to me. The difficulties of ex-Sciens in the real world are true, like Cat Daddy’s story of trying to buy a Guy Fawkes mask. One more reason not to lose sight of the goal.

            Tony’s Bunker is a terrific service to all, even to people who don’t yet know about the threat of Scientology.

          • Missionary Kid

            You may have some trolls following you. That has happened before. Don’t worry about down-votes.

          • jmh

            Don’t let the downvoters get you down! Think of it this way. Poor Scilons have nothing better to do than sit here and use their little mouse buttons to ‘make a difference in the world’ and keep upstat by downvoting intelligent comments. Pretty sad. So here you go… and welcome! Keep posting!

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          Bear in mind that there are still residual bad feelings over the events of last month. New names and new personalities are being regarded with a certain amount of suspicion. I would believe that there are a few regulars here who have “pegged” some newcomers and are expressing their opinion with the down arrow.

          I was new here, once, and was initially puzzled at how slow some were to respond to my scintillating posts. But then I realized that people needed to get used to me and realize that I was not a “stealth” personality.

          (FULL DISCLOSURE: There are at least two “new”people here I myself regard with suspicion. I do not engage in any way with them. Rather, I am waiting to see if they display their “true colors,” or if I am simply mistaken.)

          • Rita Gregory

            Good post Triple D. I believe the down votes may have something to do with this…

            http://www.godvine.com/Awesome-Comedian-Uses-Hilarious-Human-Puppets-3023.html

            • Betsy

              This is one of the funniest things I’ve seen in ages. Thanks for posting. I showed it to my husband while he was drinking coffee and I thought I would have to call 911.

          • Betsy

            I am trying to last out the suspicions and do it with understanding of the strange world that ex-Sciens come from. It is probably amazing, given the fear that former Sea Org members lived with, that they even feel comfortable being on a site like the Bunker.

            I don’t know if “the events of last month” are something anyone wants to describe, but if someone does I’d be interested to hear the story. I’ve only been coming to the Bunker for a couple of weeks so I missed whatever it was. I know that Tony has referred to “you-know-who from the Northwest.” (BTW, not that anyone will believe me, but I live in the Southwest.)

            Since I am new, I actually have no idea what problems may have come up in the past with trolls or “plants” from CO$. I get the feeling from your post that they have been numerous and possibly dangerous. Anyway, thanks for responding to me.

            (Full disclosure from a newbie: I find myself wondering if the random attackers aren’t actually Sea Org members who want to report to DM that they have run off yet another enthusiastic potential Bunkerite using techniques like the ones Mr. Atack describes. If this is the case, I have no intention of boosting their success numbers.) Jesus, paranoia just drenches anything Scientology touches!

            • Rita Gregory

              Go to Tony’s post on December 26th. Full explanation is there.

            • Betsy

              Holy whatevers. I just read the posting on December 26th and then followed comments back to understand how the party in question had been comporting her or himself. Thanks to all who gave me the information on what to read. I have a better understanding of the accusations of manipulation that have been turned on me.

              Note prompted by pure vanity: really, I DO think that I am a more articulate and careful writer than the person in question. A content analysis would show that she or he has a much smaller usable vocabulary than I, just as a beginning.

              Anyway, I will do my best to avoid echoing her (ewww, please, that thought makes me feel a bit ill.) And I am dedicated to the good fight here, so I hope people will stop wasting their time worrying about me and work on the issues.

              As I was scanning the comments I noticed that Tori C. had posted a couple of excellent messages on December 14 about the paranoia (understandable though it may be). I read them carefully and suggest others re-read them too when the impulse to attack bubbles up to the surface. Thanks again to those who took the time to respond to me about this.

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              Read the comments thread for December 26.

              That is all.

            • Missionary Kid

              After the events of December 26th, some people got extremely paranoid about newbies. Tony told us (I’ll include myself, because sometimes I got involved in the mob mentality) to knock it off.

          • Betsy

            Actually people here have not been “slow to respond to my scintillating posts” as they were to you. Many people have been helpful about information, and a few other people have been extraordinarily quick to denounce me in every conceivable way. So I can have no complaints about being ignored.

            Anyway, it has been good that a few of you finally gave me the date of the material to read and I have been able to figure out some of this. Based on what I read many of you have every right to feel manipulated. Your good intentions were clearly abused in sick ways. I assume that the person in question has had some oversight since that level of catfishing is really evidence of derangement.

            Not that anyone should go back and read that unbalanced messaging, but do please note that my writing style is considerably more refined than the other person’s, and also that, based on my references, I am obviously quite a bit older. And I can assure you that I would never ever make references to my reproductive organs to a collection of total strangers.

          • Once_Born

            If a person is posting here with an ulterior motive, that will emerge soon enough. In meantime, I think that new contributors should be judged on what they not who that may (or not) be.

            As long as what people say is arguable and reasonable no harm is done, even if they are a phoney. As soon as they stop being reasonable… they can be ignored.

            It seems to me that alienating genuine newcomers by being too cautious (and especially by downvoting) is a greater danger than getting caught out, and briefly have to listed to the same old sophistry. It also represents a small victory for the opposition.

            With the greatest respect to those with understandable “bad feelings”, very occasional deception is an occupational hazard of engaging in a forum like this – and, all things considered, it is incredibly rare.

            • Betsy

              Oh, you said it so well. All things being equal I think the Bunker is an exceptional place. In a couple of weeks here I have seen and read many wise and informative things, well-put by articulate people.

      • MaxSpaceman

        Indies loyal to Lafayette RH’s weird concoctions; OSA’bots and $ciloons ‘okayed’ to go on Interwebz and confront and shatter with downvote tech.

      • Troy MacGyver

        I noticed that,too.

    • Betsy

      Agree! Sometimes I have to remember that there are many ex-Sciens here, and that they really may not know that insulting someone gratuitously, attacking someone who is not expecting it, and that kind of thing, are not standard in the outside world. “Time to lose the stare”…and the other habits, indeed. However, if one has attended the David Miscavige Academy of Diplomacy and Human Discourse, or has been the victim of constant and undeserved attacks, I’m sure this seems to be the norm. But as Mr. Atack points out, such habits are hard to stop…they are also hard to be aware of. Bravi to the ex-Sciens who are having to learn to function in the wog world.

  • Seannie5

    What happens if you have an eye tic?!! The horror!

    • Great White Clam

      Ethics happens.

    • joan nieman

      Well, Seannie5, if you have an eye tic while staring someone down it may be mistaken for winking and you may get slapped in response!

  • Racnad

    Something curious I noticed is that an auditor or Qual (Qualifications) examiner will intensely “confront” someone for a few uncomfortable moments before saying “Congratulations. Your needle is floating!” I wanted to say “Are you sure, because you’ve been drilling though my skull with your eyes for the past several seconds!” Is that awkward pause part of the training?

    • joan nieman

      Oh! The madness of it all! Those E Meters have robbed so many people of copious amounts of time and money. What a shame!

  • Observer

    ..

    • sugarplumfairy

      good lord.. I can’t hit hide again fast enough..

      • Observer

        You need to work on your confront!

        • Cat Daddy

          this girl is confronting her lunch
          http://www.justsaypictures.com/images/creepy-stare.jpg

          • Great White Clam

            I think she’s got her eye on the knife!

            • joan nieman

              Lol!

          • Observer

            “You are my prey and I’m going to eat you”

            • joan nieman

              I would have put the butter on first.

          • Sir_Real

            Talky Tina was a $ciloon too, who knew!

          • Betsy

            That is the scariest little girl I’ve ever seen. What did they put in that “enriched bread” covered with “cellophane”?

            • Quaoar

              Who knows what MIGHT have been in that bread: there was no Food and Drug Administration back then. Cellophane for food packaging became useful for things like bread in about 1930. That might date that little girl’s lunch.

            • Betsy

              Good point. In that picture-ad, the CELLOPHANE seems to be the important ingredient…not the bread. The little girl looks as though she knows some special way to get high on it, anyway. Either that or she’s about to take a chomp out of her mother’s hands.

            • Missionary Kid

              The illustration would put it about the 1950s. It’s in color, but I think it’s a fake ad, meant to simulate one from that era. Notice that there’s no brand name on the bread (yes, I know it’s supposed to be an ad for cellophane), but the wrapper on the bread is plastic, and not cellophane. Also, usually women didn’t have long, painted fingernails in ads of that time. That’s also a fake web address.

            • Edward Whalley

              The Pure Food and Drug Act dates from 1906. Smarty!

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Again. Starting to worry about you, girl. You have this down so … so …on source!

    • Natalia M

      This is sooo awesome.

    • InterestedinCrazy

      Just as crazy and dangerous!

      • Rottulf

        This guy have been on a course at NOI

    • music8r

      Yikes!

  • noseinabk

    “It makes you seem threatening to most people: domineering, overpowering.“
    I think the COS wives on Anderson Cooper are a perfect example of this. I have often thought that the women of scientology have mastered this stare better than the men. Kelly Preston, Kirstie, Jenna E, Anne Archer, all have added smugness with that stare.

    • Espiando

      And this is why The Real Housewives of Teegeeak was cancelled after three episodes.

      • Troy MacGyver

        Fuck,I laughed so hard it woke up the baby! Can you imagine; J Elfman touting,”AIDS,is just a state of mind” over cocktails. And all the rest of their literally 10’s of celebs making guest appearances. And of course the cat fights;” I know every inch of his body,so how did you find out the mole on his ass has changed?’ Let’s all go down to his dental appt. and make a scene.I’d love to see one thrown in the RPF with only heals cleaning out septic drains with a child’s toothbrush. Then their luxury cruise on the asbestos winds.!! LOL

    • Cat Daddy
      • Sir_Real

        That is one scary looking cow.

      • Troy MacGyver

        Who is this?

    • texasexpat

      That one in the back better keep her knees together or we are going to see more of her than we really want to

    • Funnybroad

      She looks kind of disappointed here, because it’s not working!

      • Andrew Underhill

        The expression is not too far different……

  • Funnybroad

    “Among animals this locked-on eye contact means only one thing: you are prey and I am about to eat you.” I think that says it all right there.

    • MaxSpaceman

      …said the Spider to the Fly. Ronald Hubbard to his customers. $cientology Inc. to its members.
      .
      At the same time, the individual inside him/herself, the giant ‘hook’ where Hubbard grabs people is clearer now thanks to this post by Jon Atack.

      The customer is feeling so differently, than ever before, they are going, Oh yeah, this sh1t really works!; I am spun out of my mind here!; I don’t know about anybody else, but I’m flying here! I’m sticking with this!; this is the real deal!

      • Cat Daddy

        You ment Affirmations yesterday not Axioms

        • MaxSpaceman

          Yeah- thanks- I posted an “Edit:” as I did mean those bat shit crazy Affirmations of Ronald Hubbard that every Bunkeroo ‘must’ read. How to get yourself together to then go on and start a business that invents a “religion” and make $750 million between 1953 and 1983.

  • Cat Daddy

    Important enough to post again. Righton at WWP did a lot of tedious work

    Debunking the 2013 IAS Vids For The Lulz

    https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/debunking-the-2013-ias-vids-for-the-lulz.116386/

    “This thread is for debunking the 2013 IAS vids. I painfully plowed through the vids and took notes and

    wrote down stuff that I felt was worth mentioning. And the entries may be totally out of sync.

    I am not going to include the times. Don’t beat me up on mistakes, typos or misspellings. I just don’t give a

    shit. It was hell to go through and to listen to Poodle drone on and on.”

    • Betsy

      Thanks for posting! I really feel for RightOn. I do hope he (or she) has arisen from the sickbed and is able to eat solid food again…

    • noseinabk

      From RightOn.
      “Then they show pics of Bills that were passed: (they claim 57 bills)
      The numbers are as follows:
      1213, 369, 760 (shown twice), 3636, 3227(shown twice) 3225 (shown twice), 3118 (shown twice), 1948 (shown twice), 3656, 1856 (shown twice) 588, 220, 344, 347, 290, 131 and one more I couldn’t see at the end. I guess anyone can look up these bill numbers? yes?”

      I looked up the bills that DM mentions the states for. He at no time said who sponsored these bills , but did say that “this is what your IAS donations contribute to”

      Texas House Bill 205 (In Recess) Relating to the allocation of outpatient mental health services and beds in certain mental health facilities and the commitment of certain persons to receive mental health services.
      State Representative Ruth Jones McClendon, San Antonio-District 120, has filed House Bill 205, which would set minimum requirements for allocating funds and improve the availability of mental health beds provided by the state.

      TX Bill 3227 Relating to coverage of certain eating disorders as serious
      mental illnesses under certain group health benefit plans.
      Status: Passed.
      ftp://ftp.legis.state.tx.us/bills/83R/billtext/html/house_bills/HB03200_HB03299/HB03227I.htm

      MISSOURI BILL 131
      Requires all health insurance carriers and health benefit plans to provide coverage for the diagnosis and treatment of eating disorders
      Status: Introduced on January 9 2013 – 25% progress, died in committee

      BILL 760 CA
      Assembly Member Roger Dickinson proposed AB 760 as a means to fund mental health programs and reduce gun violence by taxing ammo sales. The proposal calls for a $0.05 tax on each shell/bullet sold or in the case of reloading components $0.10 (5 for the brass and 5 for the bullet)

      Assembly Bill 760 (AB 760), carried by Assembly member Dickinson and sponsored by Children
      Now, would help children who suffer from mild to moderate mental illness by re instituting a proven school-based prevention and early intervention program
      through a modest tax on ammunition purchased in or for use in California.In Assembly Revenue & Taxation

      I found no CCHR sponsorship or interviews listed on the above bills. I looked up 1213, 369, 3636,3225, 3118. With no state reference it is very hard to find. On each of these I looked through pages of info and found no relevant info so far. All of these 2013 bills were for things like mechanics liens, speed bumps, and taxes.

      • Betsy

        Thanks for doing this tedious search! This reminds me of Hugh Nibley, a “beloved Mormon intellectual” (now dead). He was a major propagandist and apologist for the LDS church. All of his books and articles had masses of footnotes from seemingly impenetrable scholarly works. In recent years some historians have tracked his footnotes and it seems that much of the time the references had nothing to do with his point. In other cases they documented the opposite of what Nibley was claiming.

        Moral of the story: if you back up claims with references that are hard to look up, there is every probability that they WON’T be, and that your lie will not only go undetected, it will become part of a larger body of lies. Thanks to you and any tireless researchers who have the patience to puncture some of CO$’s “documentation.”

        • Casabeca

          I assume you know who his daughter is, interesting stories there.

          • Betsy

            Yes, I do! You know, I read her book with great interest (because reading Hugh Nibley had always made me feel a bit sick and she confirmed the reasons) but I’m not sure I believe the molestation claim. Somehow it seemed too farfetched. What was your take on it?

            • Casabeca

              I don’t know what to think. I believe she suffered, I think the dad was weird and abusive, not sure what kind.
              I would hate being a prof trying to defend Hubbard or J Smith.

            • Casabeca

              Do you have LDS or BYU grads in your family? My desert area has lots of LDS.

            • Betsy

              No, I only know one VERY angry ex-Mormon! I read a lot of Western History and got hooked on the Mormons at one point. There is a great new interview with Lawrence Wright: he has also spent a lot of time on the Mormons. (I think he even wrote a book about them.) In this interview he is asked what led him to Scientology, and he says that he is always drawn to questions of FAITH…what it is, why it seems to be so important to people, how the need for it produces destruction. I think that is more or less what hooks me as well.

              I got started on the Mormons once when I was sick and somebody gave me Fawn Brodie’s book, No Man Knows My History. Likewise I got started on CO$ because someone recently gave me Lawrence Wright’s book.

              Are the LDS in your area Fundamentalists? (I’m wildly curious about them.)

            • Casabeca

              My area is only full of ordinary LDS, lots of soccer moms is modest clothes and lots of dentists from BYU. And a couple friends are ex LDS with family still in.
              I also love questions of faith and devotion, especially when actions go far beyond common sense. Lately I also love studying critical thinking…I sent John P a poster of logical fallacies, it is a fun read easily found by googling.
              I am glad you are here. I am a little shy to talk to everyone at once…what do I know that they don’t? But I can be a chatty Cathy one to one. I am a little nervous to make new friends here because of incident 26, lol.
              I am glad you are here, welcome.
              Ask me for anything but donations, ha ;-).
              The secret Mormon ceremonies concern me, who wants to be forced to promise to secrets they have never heard before, and in front of your relatives who are in? And if you rellies are out the just have to sit and spin on the cold steps of the temple while their child gets married. Not cool in my book.
              I can’t wait to read Wright on the LDS too, thank for the tip!

            • Betsy

              We have a lot of the same interests! I’d love to see the poster on logical fallicies.
              I got here after “incident 26” and had no idea what was going on. But I’m not 26, I assure you! The whole faith issue is of real interest to me and I think that the history of Mormonism has so many parallels that it is of real use in understanding the possible next moves of CO$. Cult practices end up being very similar.
              Sounds like you have read the temple endowment ceremonies (and as I’m sure you know, they have changed drastically since the days of Joseph, the last big change being in 2000 or thereabouts). Did you know that you can get a book of all the versions? It’s put out by Utah Lighthouse Ministry. (UTLM.com). They are a “helping ex-Mormons to get out of the pain of leaving or being ex-communicated” service. They point people to fundamentalist Christianity, which I have no interest in, but the people who started it, Jerald and Sandra Tanner, have done 40 years’ work digging up books that the Church had squelched, especially in the 19th century. Anyway, they have an inexpensive book of all the versions of the endowment ceremonies, including pics of the temple garments as they evolved. Check out their website if you didn’t already know about them. Over the years I have bought almost all their historical publications. People who are interested in Mormon history, even if they are Mormons and “forbidden” to go on the website, almost have to visit UTLM in secret…the Tanners have documented so much important information, especially from the beginning up to the 1920’s when the LDS Church started to try to mainstream itself, that they can’t be ignored.
              The comparisons (like forbidding people to read history and “anti-Mormon” literature are so much like CO$. It will ruin your testimony! the Mormons say. It will plant entheta in your head! say the Scientologists.
              I’m really interested in information about faith, the LDS and so on, because it DOES tie in to the CO$ situation, and is worth analyzing! So anything you want to share about what you know would interest me, even just what it is like to live around them. (Not too many where I live.)

            • Casabeca

              Thank you Betsy, my dentist and all his staff will be up next in a month or so…the girls are crazy for Anthropologie stuff ;). And my realtor BF says the home decor/art is distinctive, but I don’t have better details.
              I should tell you now that I am a generic, red letter loving Christian. There are only a few of us here, prob even a couple of big kids on the block. But we don’t discuss it much. Obviously a lot of people here have had terribly painful experiences with religion and want no part. I support that right. I believe only in judging myself, I really love everyone here from the anarchist to the newsy ones to the exes with poignant stories. And I gotta love the shoppers! Just thot I should be honest too ;).
              I found a funny parody blog based on the cute Mormon mommy blogs, called Seriously, So Blessed. Humor is a great way to teach.
              I will check out UTLM, thanks :).

            • Betsy

              Oh, me too. He had 7 or 8 kids and all but her vigorously denied the molestation claim. One son, Tom, rather pathetically wrote articles for Dialog and Sunstone in which he copied his father’s inimitable style…but way too much. He was just screaming out for Daddy to admire him.

              My gut feeling is that old Hugh was a pompous, neglectful, critical and competitive father…but I really have trouble with the molestation. I mean, he would wear a crocodile head?!? (This because he was stressed out over all the lying he had to do about The Book of Abraham.)

          • Missionary Kid

            That put me down a rabbit hole. That story is almost as bizarre as LRH’s.

            • Casabeca

              So many weird side stories…which are you on?

            • Missionary Kid

              The daughter & her husband. I gave up.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Most likely explanation if they were forced to give one, similar to the Irish Defense, is they campaigned for it. When pressed for details, they will tell you 120,000 calls and letters and emails were sent at CCHR’s request to vote for or against said bill. When asked for a list of these contributors, they wouldn’t be able to give you any. In truth, it was probably 2 CCHR staff and 3 OT Committee members working off an ethics condition that spammed the lines with form letters using different (fake fake fake) names. Interviews would be a CCHR staff member talking to an OT committee member posing as a ______________.

        Ask them to define “sponsorship”. They will cough up another lulzy footbullet.

      • grundoon

        All these sound like bills that CCHR would oppose.

        • noseinabk

          I wish I had added the links. For instance,http://legiscan.com/TX/bill/HB205/2013, some have a commentary link. In the 40 some pages I looked at, not one mentioned any protesting letters or groups. II found 2 or 3 of these bills mentioned by CCHR sites that only post the info and and asking people to send letters. So what do IAS funds contribute to these bills? Paying a Cos member to post it on the site is all I see.

    • Troy MacGyver

      Danish neuroscientist Penkowa, found guilty of misconduct,reappears as Scientology group headliner

      with 12 comments

      Penkowa, via press release

      Milena Penkowa, the Danish neuroscientist who has had four papers retracted and was found to have committed misconduct, is in the news again, this time for speaking at a museum exhibition by a Scientology-founded group.

      Titled ““Psykiatri – Dödens industri“ — “Psychiatry, Industry of Death” — the exhibition is at the museum of theCommission on Human Rights, which, according to a press release,

      was established in 1969 in the United States of the Church of Scientology and psychiatry professor Thomas Szasz, the world’s mostfamous psychiatry critics, and in 1972 in Sweden, to investigate and expose abuses of human rights in mental health care and to clean up the field of mental healing.

      As the Swedish Dagens Medicin newspaper reported (via Google Translate):

      The exhibition was opened with a keynote speech by Milena Penkowa from Denmark. She is presented in Scientology’s press release as “physician and professor of neurology.” But she is actually an ex-professor and it is in my opinion fitting that just Penkowa inaugurates an exhibition that is more fantasy than fact.

      It’s unclear whether Penkowa has had a long-term relationship with the group. According to her site, Penkowais now working as a health navigator, offering to connect people with doctors who will provide second

  • Techie

    Once again, a profoundly insightful and provocative essay from Jon Atack that cuts to the heart of the matter in a few words!

    A few commenters recently have been asking: “What does the e-meter measure?” Of course the truth is even LRH didn’t know. That is why, in Keeping Scientology Working, the key essay at the start of every course and main raison d’etre for the Religious Technology Center of which Dave Miscavige is the titular head, the emphasis is on Scientology as a “workable system”. This is LRH’s way of saying that it is empirically derived, not from basic principles. The E-meter measures some sort of physiological processes in the body that are affected by the mental state of the subject. To say that the current passes through the mind, or that some thetanish golden aura affects the current is silly.

    You may remember that Volney Mathison invented the original tube E-meter, but the lesser-known Don Breeding invented the transistor meter and stayed behind in Phoenix while Ron took off for England etc. He was active in Scientology up to his death in the 90s and even came to work at the Gold base. He was not Sea Org but helped out a bit, and that is where I met him. It was Don who pointed out to me that the “juice” inside the body is quite conductive, being mainly salt water. He even did some painful experiments to prove this involving pins driven through the skin. So, whatever the meter is doing, it is happening in the skin contact area between the cans and the hands. Remember that solo cans, where both cans are held in one hand, still work. In this case the current is definitely not travelling very far through the body. Solo cans don’t work as well, and that can be attributed to the fact that there is less skin contact area. I don’t know whether it is micro contractions of capillaries in the skin, or some galvanic effect from changes in body chemistry (I do know that there are voltages being generated in the system by electro-chemical reactions). It is not a simple matter of sweat, as any auditor could tell you. Typically the “resistance” goes higher (unsweat?) during a session then comes back down at the end.

    So what is really happening in a Scientology session? Exactly as Jon said in his last paragraph. You pick up the cans, the auditor finds something that “reacts on the meter”, further questions are asked about that subject. This usually causes a reaction in the meter called a “rise” (resistance going up) then it will come down as you worry over the subject like a dog with a particularly juicy but resistive bone. Up and down the meter goes, as the person on the cans tries to find answers, perhaps diving into his past or inventing fantasy pasts etc. Finally the meter comes down and the needle floats (an indicator, I believe, of some kind of homeostatic balance in the body). This is associated with the release of pleasure-related brain chemicals and you fell better. This is what happens in any session on the meter, it doesn’t matter what kind of session. In “objective” auditing, where there is no meter, you can still see the effects of the release of pleasure chemicals or make a guess at it and then confirm it with the meter.

    This puts Scientology in the category of a natural high, like exercising or meditation. A lot safer than meth, probably, and requiring no contact with the criminal element (unless you count Corporate Scientology as a criminal element, feel free to do so).

    But what of the claims of spiritual enlightenment? What about the Bridge to total freedom, higher spiritual states, cause over life, matter, energy, space, time, parking spaces? What about the History of Man, supposedly scouted using an E-meter? They are examples of confirmation bias. Any subject taken up on the E-meter, if it does react, will eventually result in the release of pleasure-related brain chemicals and you will feel better. You will feel like you have had a revelation. You will feel sure it is true and valid, just as the meth tweaker feels sure the cops are trying to kill him as they wrestle him into the ambulance. It is not necessarily false in all cases. But it is not necessarily true. That is how LRH could assert that man descended from clams. He or his son was in session, the meter “reacted” on the word “clam” or some sensation such as weeping that he decided was a past memory of being a clam. He felt better confessing this. The session “worked”. “Truth” was revealed. No need to test such an assertion with scientific evidence gathering, tests, logic, reason or lofty cogitation. The E-meter is scientific! It never lies! It said we are descended from clams! End of story!

    For a long time I would have told you a fantasy story if you asked me about Scientology. I would have said it was like the early days of the microscope, when Antonie van Leeuwenhoek discovered the cell and revolutionized biology. Before the microscope, little was known about how the body really works. By making it possible to see the tiny cells that make up the body, you could know more about it and invent truly amazing treatments, like antibiotics. The E-meter, I thought, was the “microscope” of the incredible new science of Scientology, making incredible new discoveries possible. Well, I got the “incredible” part right. The E-meter gave LRH an easy and dramatic way to lend credence to his OTO derived cosmology. You can prove anything with an E-meter. When external evidence fails to validate the evidence of the meter LRH just invented more levels, more excuses, more lies. Perhaps the E-meter could be used to advance science, but not spiritual knowledge. It doesn’t measure the spirit, only the body.

    • Cat Daddy

      It’s just a simple GSR meter

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skin_conductance

      Scientology: turning good people into Psychopaths

      “The SCR in regular subjects differs when given fair and unfair offers, respectively. However, psychopaths have been shown to have no difference in skin conductance between fair and unfair offers.[6]
      This may indicate that the use of lie detectors relying on skin
      conductivity gives psychopaths an advantage that non-psychopaths do not
      have in criminal investigations.”

    • Anonymous

      This is a useful and informative post – thanks for taking the time to put it down clearly.

    • Missionary Kid

      As I understand it, the theory is that there is some sort of biochemical brain reaction that is being measured. It’s bullshit, along with the theory that thoughts have energy. Electrical activity is produced by thought processes, but thoughts themselves have no energy.

      For one thing, biochemical brain reactions are far out of the path that would change the resistance measured by the E-meter. Electricity travels along the path of least resistance, and the brain is out of the way of least resistance.

      For another, those reactions are at such a low level of electrical activity that the E-meter can’t register them. Chemical reactions between molecules, such as the dopamine connections are not being measured. (Note that in order to detect electrical activity for EEGs, large disks with special grease on them to promote their electrical connection to the scalp are necessary). The e-meter has never been that sensitive nor able to detect the waves that the brain produces.

      The Hubster took something that measured galvanic skin response and attached a lot of woo-woo to it. There’s a lot of confirmation bias on the part of $cientologists leads them to give it additional powers. The only thing it measures is muscle activity and the changes brought about by emotional reactions. At best, that’s a secondary measurement, and with the dial that can be controlled by the operator, operator bias is introduced into the equation.

      If the E-meter really was as good or accurate as claimed, it would be used instead of the polygraph. There’s a reason that it’s called a polygraph, and that is that it measures several different parameters. It is not admissible in court because even with all the additional sensors, it is too inaccurate.

      • Techie

        True, MK. In fact LRH described “how the meter works” in various ways over the years. In one of the earliest, actually written by Mathison but quoted by LRH (called I believe Electropsychometric Auditing”) the author says that the current does not pass through the mind. Later, in the 60’s briefing course lectures he talks about electronic items shifting, causing needle reactions. Still later, in his notes for the film “How the E-Meter Works” he talks about some kind of golden shield of energy in the person that can somehow affect the so-called “carrier wave” of the meter current. Then in the film he shows a magnet being moved near a wire, inducing current as though that is what is happening. The film also mentions Kirlian photography. All hopeless woo, showing that he never really studied it and didn’t really care.

        • Missionary Kid

          Like most hucksters, they borrowed current scientific terms to explain whatever they wanted to put across. The clams are still doing it, as well as, sadly, the indies who are still sheep dipped in the crazy of LRH.

        • Betsy

          Hopeless woo! Yes, he was so good at snatching a word or two from something that sounded scientific and pretending that he knew what he was talking about. (Nuclear physicist…oh, please.) If you haven’t patented “hopeless woo” I’m going to be attempting to use it at every opportunity (not on the Bunker, however.)

    • John P.

      Extremely well said. Thank you!

      This is very useful for the person just getting started in trying to understand Scientology. You might wish to post this on OCMB (particularly) as well as WWP and ESMB.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      This is a mini masterpiece summary, “The Truth About Wins”.

      A key component of scientological recovery from its wall of miconceptions is addressing the very real physical and mental phenomena all members experience. That is the freakin’ d-r-u-g that keeps them hooked even after they’ve left the building. There should be a Scientology Anonymous, inc.

      Was a little startled at your microscope analogy. I used that one myself almost exactly as you described it. Now I realize that about every 6 months a propaganda campaign would circulate the “this is new scientific shit”, yet another Doh! moment.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        The very First misconception, however, a recovering scientologist must deal with is solutions to major life events don’t come in easy-open, drive through, predigested bites.

      • Techie

        Yes, THDNE that is exactly it! There are wins, there are incredibly intense moments of seeming insight, there is the feeling that all your tomorrows will explode into a new wave of glorious wonder, like the One Ring has just been destroyed and you did it. Unfortunately that’s all just chemicals in your brain, and the “insights” are a bit of Dr. Oz and a lot of OZ THE MAGNIFICENT, THE GREAT AND POWERFUL… Don’t pay any attention to that little man behind the door.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          I have to give credit to a number of informative threads on ESMB that give facts and reference links to the medical explanations of different phenomena, like disassociative (___ fill in the blank). I found it very helpful to understand what experiences like feeling like I was exterior was all about all in one place. Doesn’t happen all the time like some may pretend, but there were times when I recalled it as being very real. Now I know what it was. As I mentioned to our Joe Howard commentor, I experienced while on the OT levels as well as on the RPF. It was in fact, two separate and distinct types of disassociative disorder I was momentarily experiencing. I joke sometimes about scientologists paying to get what everyone else pays doctors to get rid of.

          “Since the 1980s, the concept of dissociative disorders has taken on a
          new significance. They now receive a large amount of theoretical and
          clinical attention from persons in the fields of psychiatry and
          psychology. Dissociative disorders are a group of psychiatric syndromes
          characterized by disruptions of aspects of consciousness, identity,
          memory, motor behavior, or environmental awareness. The American
          Psychiatric Association’s Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, Fourth Edition, Text Revision (DSM-IV-TR)
          includes 4 dissociative disorders and one category for atypical
          dissociative disorders. These include dissociative amnesia (DA),
          dissociative identity disorder (DID), dissociative fugue,
          depersonalization disorder, and dissociative disorder not otherwise
          specified (DDNOS).[1]”

          http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/294508-overview

    • Remy

      It’s just a galvanometer measuring the galvanic skin response. It is only one component of a polygraph.

      • Cat Daddy
        • Remy

          A more useful biofeedback tech is to measure the HRV, or heart-rate variability. Works like a charm in determining changes in autonomic stress with a response time of a few seconds. Lots of great computer algorithms for this.

          • Cat Daddy

            You would have to have a bit of an ingenious computerprogramm for that, In simple set-up those it is rubish,

            Actually LRH looked into that too.

            • Remy

              The new HRV computer systems measure the beat-to-beat interval, as it changes with inspiration and expiration. The inspiratory interval changes more when the sympathetic nervous system tone is low.

            • Cat Daddy

              I saw a crude version work on a computer hooked to it myself with a clip on my ear.

              I am sure it has been finetuned as you said

    • villagedianne

      The e-meter has been compared to a lie detector. Here is what Sam Ervin, the judge on the Watergate case, once said about the lie detector:

      Probably no instrument in modern time so lends itself to threats to constitutional guarantees of individual freedom as the polygraph or so-called lie detector. The threat of its use or the intimidation inherent in its use restricts free expression and communication of ideas, intrudes on an individual’s subconscious thought, makes him fear to speak his thoughts freely, or compels him to speak against his will. To my mind, the entire purpose of these machines is to invade a man’s mind and find what lurks in the innermost part of his mental consciousness for reasons which have nothing to do with his ability to perform a job. If the right of privacy means anything at all. and if it is a right to be cherished in our .society, it means that people should be entitled to have thoughts, hopes, desires, and dreams that are beyond the reach of a bureaucrat, an employer, or an electronic technician. This is something which enthusiasts for these machines do not seem to understand. They do not understand and they do not appreciate how important privacy is to each American, and as long as that lesson is not understood, we all will find our right to privacy constricted if not abrogated entirely. I propose this legislation to ban the use of the polygraph for employment purposes in the hopes that Congress will pause for a moment, step back, and take a long look at the issues involved in the unrestrained use of the polygraph. Legislation is necessary to bring some order and control to the practice…

      • Missionary Kid

        Sam Ervin was not the judge, but he headed up the committee that investigated the Watergate break-in. Originally, he defended Jim Crow laws, but ultimately supported civil rights legislation.

        The polygraph doesn’t really detect thoughts, but emotions.

      • Troy MacGyver

        I remember a father of a missing daughter whom he was in charge. One minute she was playing in the back yard and the next minute she was gone. The cops,certain it was him told him the only way to,”clear his name” was to take a polygraph. You guessed it he failed and the info leaked to the press etc..His life was ruined,not only was his only child missing but his entire town and relatives shunned him. Well after 5 years they reopened the case after 3 similar incidences happened. Sure enough they found massive amounts of blood in the floor boards of the registered psychotic,sex offender who lived with his relatives two houses away. My brother who was in law enforcement said he knew people who were guilty who easily passed them?

  • Ruby Grapefruit

    The podcast from the Ray D’Arcy show has been posted now … It’s the Irish broadcaster who has a few things to say about DM’s little PR caper re Ireland. (start listening at 26:20):

    http://www.todayfm.com/player/listen_back/4/8734/16th_January_2014_-_The_Ray_D%27Arcy_Show_Part_2

    • Priscilla

      I listened to it. Thanks!

    • Ciru

      Relevant part starts just after 16 minutes for anyone who doesn’t want to listen the rest of the programme,

    • Graham

      Thanks Ruby. The $cio section kicks off round about the 26 min mark. “David Macsavage”- is that a new one?

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      Thank you Ruby. “The boss man is David Miscavige and he sounds a bit robotic
      to me…”

      • Missionary Kid

        I loved that comment.

    • joan nieman

      Thanks Ruby. I will watch this a bit later. It seems there is something every day now that brings negativity to the Scion world. Next week we will probably hear of something else.Leaks are found on the big ship as she slowly takes in water.

    • MereCatWatcher

      They kept saying MacSavage — must already be on the names for DM list.

      • Missionary Kid

        Yup, it was.

    • OT8squared

      COB uses the phrase “salt of the Earth.” It is a phrase often used by rich men when they want to sound like they are complimenting the working class.

    • Anonymous

      Which part? There’s three to choose from.

      • Ruby Grapefruit

        The top part.

  • Once_Born

    This post give a valuable insight, to a ‘never in’ like me, into the motivations of
    ex-Scientologists who:

    1) Have come to terms with the
    fact that the overwhelming majority of Hubbard’s writing and Scientology practice are potentially dangerous
    2) Stubbornly maintain that some (nebulous) aspects of Scientology is of benefit)

    3) Defend this belief with accounts of positive subjective experiences

    The ‘peak experiences’ that Jon describes may have been enhanced, in retrospect, by selective memory and the considerable effort they had to put in in order to achieve them (psychologically, we tend to value things we have worked hard for more highly that things that come easily).

    • Mooser

      3) Defend this belief with accounts of positive subjective experiences

      But if I snort contemptuously (and I have, you may have heard, one hell of a contemptuous snort. I’d put it up against anybody’s!) and say “Oh fer Gawd’s sake, go lay that crap on somebody else!” or words to that effect, I’ll hurt their feelings. I can’t do that.

      • Qbird

        Good Moose.

        • Mooser

          That image captures the comment section at “Something can be done about it” perfectly! Snow everywhere.

      • Once_Born

        I have tried, on one or two occasions, to get people that make this sort of claim to describe the alleged benefits.

        The best they have come up with is something along the lines of “I got something out of it, but I can’t explain what is was, or how it worked” (which I have characterised – politely – as “positive subjective experiences”).

        When I have pressed on, and pointed out that the claimed benefits seem to be equivalent to a very good dream, the exchange has ended – either with a refusal to discuss the matter further, or with abuse.

        Sadly, in my experience, their feelings are hurt even when you are very, very careful to avoid this… so you might as well “snort contemptuously” (and I’m sure you have a magnificent snort) and save time.

        • Mooser

          “When I have pressed on, and pointed out that the claimed benefits seem
          to be equivalent to a very good dream, the exchange has ended – either
          with a refusal to discuss the matter further, or with abuse.”

          What happens if you say: “Gee, that all sounds so wonderful! Nothing like that ever happens to me, my life is so ordinary….”?

          • Once_Born

            I suspect that this would:

            1) Be accepted as a tribute to their superiority
            2) Reinforce the delusion
            3) Reveal absolutely nothing new (because said delusion is content-free)

            I’m going to go to bed now, and hope to surpass the best that Scientology ‘Tech’ can offer… by having a nice dream.

    • chukicita

      I’d also add the combined organizational, social and financial pressures inherent in writing the mandatory ‘wins’ after completing a course or a level or whatever.

  • VickiStubing

    Just found an interesting product, “The Zapper, Dr. Clark’s Alleged Cure-All.” Looks kinda familiar.

    http://tiny.cc/3y6v9w
    (If the link doesn’t take you right to The Zapper, it’s #9 on the countdown.)

    • Artoo45

      Hulda Clark died . . . Of cancer.

      • USA MRIID

        She deserved to die.

        • Cat Daddy

          80 is a good average age anyway

        • Artoo45

          Sadly, her body count was epic. She was a criminal.

    • Cat Daddy

      Dr. Hulda Regehr Clark, de koningin der kwakzalvers (1928-2009)

      (Queen of the Kwaks)

      http://www.kwakzalverij.nl/1159/Dr_Hulda_Regehr_Clark_de_koningin_der_kwakzalvers_1928_2009_

    • Cat Daddy

      http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/Cancer/clark.html

      The Bizarre Claims of Hulda Clark

      Stephen Barrett, M.D.

      Hulda Regehr Clark (1928-2009) claimed to cure
      cancer, AIDS, and many other serious diseases. She described
      herself as an “independent research scientist” with
      bachelor and master’s degrees from the University of Saskatchewan
      and a Ph.D. degree in physiology from the University of Minnesota
      (1958). The Register of Ph.D. Degrees conferred by the University of Minnesota of Minnesota July 1956-June 1966,
      states that (a) Clark received her degree with a major in zoology and a
      minor in botany, (b) her thesis was titled, “A study of the ion balance
      of crayfish muscle; evidence for two compartments of cellular
      potassium,” and (c) her University of Saskatchewan degrees were bachelor
      of arts in 1949 and master of arts in 1950 [1].

      • Betsy

        Is the University of Saskatchewan related to Sequoia University? (Sorry if I just insulted some actual grads of University of Sask. NOT sorry if I insulted grads of Sequoia.)

        • Missionary Kid

          From Wikipedia, “Sequoia University was an unaccredited higher education institution in Los Angeles, California, which acquired a reputation as a prolific “degree mill” selling degree certificates. Although it was shut down in 1984 by a court order, it is most notable today as the institution from which L. Ron Hubbard obtained an honorary “Doctorate of Philosophy” in the 1950s.”

          The University of Saskatchewan (U of S) is a Canadian public research university…

          ‘Nuf said? You can insult grads of Sequoia all you want.

          • Betsy

            Thanks, I will. I knew about Sequoia U. from reading Janet Reitman’s book. I didn’t know about it being shut down! Do you know why? I mean, just on the basis of selling degrees?

            As for Saskatchewan University, I was being stupidly stupid. Please accept my insult retraction, if it was taken that way, for grads of that good university. Just a bad effort to insert Sequoia.

            Did Sequoia have an actual location? I mean in the sense of a campus?

            • Missionary Kid

              I don’t know about Sequoia’s location, but I suspect it was probably not much more than an office and a few classrooms, if even that, in Los Angeles. I just Googled the name, then used the Wikipedia entry.

              I just read further in the entry. “British State papers then revealed that in fact Sequoia University was
              personally owned by Hubbard and that Hubbard had therefore awarded
              himself his “Ph.D”

              Talk about self-referencing! The shit just gets deeper and deeper.

            • Betsy

              Thanks for all the information! It wouldn’t surprise me at all that Hubbard awarded himself his Ph.D. But I didn’t know any of that about the “universities.” I vaguely remember that a friend (in the late 60s) was associating himself with a fake university in order to get a deferment from Vietnam.

            • RMycroft

              Hubbard did award himself two doctorates, but they were even less convincing than the Sequoia one.

              Remember Venus? December 22, 1952, Time Magazine

              His
              latest ology is compounded of equal parts of science fiction, dianetics (with “auditing,” “preclears” and engrams), and plain jabberwocky.* Hubbard has preached his gospel to the British; he spent last week drumming for converts in Philadelphia. Awed by his own accomplishments, Hubbard has awarded himself the degree of “D. Sen.”—doctor of Scientology.

              The
              Aberree, Volume 1, Issue 1, April 1954
              , page 4

              With the formation of the Church of Scientology in the State of California by Dr. J. Burton Farber of Glendale, and the granting of a charter, auditors in that area can avoid the recent fiasco in which a Pasadena practitioner is reported to have spent 10 days in that city’s torture chamber for “practicing medicine without a license”. On March 5, Dr. Farber appeared in Phoenix, and before an audience of more than 30 clinical students, taped a ceremony in which L. Ron Hubbard was made a Doctor of Divinity and awarded Certificate No. One. This gives him legal authority to lecture, perform marriages, baptisms, and other religious rites.

            • Betsy

              This certainly turned into a flow of good information. LRH just lied about everything, in other words. I know that there are “Reformation Scientologists” who reject DM and what he has done but still think LRH was on to the truth. I just don’t get it. His claims are so far-fetched, and so not-possible within the actual chronology. All I can imagine is that he was somehow so charming that people thought it would be wicked to doubt him and check on him. Thanks to both of you for digging up the substance of these postings…

            • RMycroft

              Those old British papers are incorrect. i.e. WRONG! Hubbard never owned it. Erg, did someone add that to the Wiki article? Bah! Long after those papers were done in 1968, much more was dug up on Sequoia which showed that wasn’t so. Unfortunately, the British papers weren’t released until long after it was all settled and some over-enthusiastic editors thought that it was new material.

            • Missionary Kid

              Here’s more: ”

              The “university” was said to have originally been known as the College of Drugless Healing, which was traced by the United States government to a residential dwelling on Melrose Avenue. It operated strictly through a post office box and delivered mail-order doctorates without classes or exams.[3]

              The dwelling in question was that of “Dr.” Joseph Hough, a chiropodist
              who had established a profitable business selling bogus medical degrees
              to applicants. Hough’s own doctorate was said to have been bogus,
              reportedly having been purchased from the unaccredited Free University
              of Mexico in 1938. He was investigated in 1957 by a California State Assembly investigation into degree mills operating in the state, but took the Fifth Amendment 22 times in the course of his testimony and refused to divulge information about Sequoia’s activities.[4]

              During a legal crackdown on unaccredited Californian educational institutions in 1984, a Los Angeles judge issued a permanent injunction ordering it to cease operating “until it complies with the state education laws.” [5] At the time it had outlets in both California and Oklahoma, and was still offering degrees in osteopathic medicine, religious studies, hydrotherapy, and physical sciences. Among the affected was the Federal government as evidenced by a citation proclaimed by the United States House of Representatives
              in hearings held in 1986, in which Sequoia was mentioned as one of a
              number of degree mills from which Federal employees had bought false
              credentials.[6]

      • Robert Eckert

        She actually graduated from the universities she said she graduated from, so she’s better than Hubbard already.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      This deadly quackery was spread throughout the scientology community, often via sci chiropractors’ offices and in part responsible for so many cancer deaths. Besides believing auditing would cure it because Hubbard said so, they also avoided oncologists because Hulda Clark said so. The result was not seeing proper and real medical help until Stage 4 and too late.

      David Amrein was a scientologist she worked with and she had help to spread her woo.

      Hilda Clark, son Geoffrey Clark, publisher Timothy Bolen, Jan Bolen,
      Swiss business associate and scientologist, David Amrein

      http://americanloons.blogspot.com/2010/06/31-tim-bolen.html
      http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=004kPO
      http://www.healthwatcher.net/Quackerywatch/Hulda_Clark/index.html

  • sugarplumfairy

    I don’t know what it is, but I frequently get stared at.. Maybe it’s the humpback, or perhaps the drool that folks find so fascinating.. Not sure, but for the longest time when I was younger, I would be very uncomfortable when I’d look up again and again and the same jerk was staring at me intently.. I’d stare back, but who wants to stare at some twit.. thank god for cell phones.. they have evened the playing field.. Now when someone stares, I make a lovely production out of producing my phone and taking their picture.. That usually awakens them from their coma.. It has the added benefit of possibly being helpful to police should my lifeless body be found in the boot of some perv’s car..

    • Sherbet

      Thanks for the heads-up, ‘fairy. If you disappear, we’ll know what happened and will notify the authorities toute suite.

    • Jimmy Threetimes

      Personally, I find it hard to stare at people, even when speaking to them. I use that trick of focusing at a spot just above their eyes. It often adds to the conversation, as well. Usually along the lines of “hey, idiot, why are you staring at my forehead?”

      • Mooser

        Being a married man, I never raise my eyes to a woman who is not my wife. Perhaps that is why I am so fixated on women’s ankles.

        • Jimmy Threetimes

          That gave me a laugh but it is still pretty creepy.

          • Mooser

            Creepy? Women’s ankles? Well, I don’t know about you Jimmy Threetimes, but I like to think the fair species is made of more than two pieces.

            Anyway, I am guilty of going off-topic and will return to germaniousness.

            • Mooser

              Yup, two pieces, one part which sees what I’m doing wrong, and another part which tells me about it.
              I know what it is, she won’t admit it, but she is totally wrought up, on tenterhooks, about to explode, over today’s championship game. Lemme go up and see something (door slams, feet up steps, feet down steps, door slams…) Yup, she’s wearing her “elite” Seahawks jersey.

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        I suppose you could stare at your feet, but then you would be mistaken for an engineer.

        (Aside: You know how to identify a gregarious engineer? He stares at your feet while he’s talking to you.)

    • domitare

      I hate when some tool that just got through the comm course pedantically insists on everyone keeping eye contact. The point is to just be able to get comfortable and just look at someone and have a nice descent conversation.

  • domitare

    I would be curious to know Atack’s views on OT-TR0.

  • Cat Daddy

    Anonymous vs. Scientology: Epic Staredown

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgIegk7ud4Y

    • Funnybroad

      What exactly do those scientologists do with the photos they take of protesters? Do they file them with reports someplace?

      • Cat Daddy

        Probably, they like to keep files. But they hoped identifying people to fair game them

        Sometimes they had some succes

        https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/anon-arrested-in-las-vegas.48401/

        “This is Las Vegas Anonymous.

        One of our anons "Cameranonymous" was arrested by
        Metro SWAT on the night of October 15th, at roughly 11pm. He was
        expected for a meetup the next morning, and when he didn’t show up a
        couple of Anons ventured to his house. He didn’t answer, and a glance
        through the windows showed the house had been ransacked. The police were
        informed, but called back in a short time to inform us that
        Cameranonymous had been arrested and was being detained.

        He is being held on charges of "Act of Terrorism" and
        "Bomb/Explosive Threat". Attempts to bail him out have
        failed, as bail has only been set for the bomb threat charge. Bail for
        Act of Terrorism is listed as $0 at this time. It is presumable that
        because of the weekend he has not been before the judge to set bail for
        that charge.

        A search and seizure warrant for Cameranonymous was found that lists
        Kenneth Moxon, and a Scientologist that Cameranonymous worked with at
        his previous job, Alex Jiminez, as those accusing Cameranonymous of
        these charges. Cameranonymous’ handle was connected with his IRL name by
        this Alex Jiminez, who claims to have identified him by matching a
        video on youtube in which Cameranonymous was filmed being cited for
        jaywalking, with pictures of his cameras and clothing from protests in
        Las Vegas and Los Angeles, and by having seen him in person protesting
        outside our local Org.”

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        Um, Yes. They obsessively like to keep “Dayta”.
        I am proud to take up several Terabytes of useless space somewhere in or around Clearwater.

        I hope they got my good side……..meaning the largest buttcheck I could shove into their camera frame.

        PS: BTW…Ordered my “XENU” Charms today~!!

      • RMycroft

        Back in the day of film cameras, they used to take endless shots of protestors and never change the roll.

      • Cat Daddy

        Alsoo filming someone is supose to unhinge that someone making the filmed person insecure of him or herself

  • Natalia M

    . . .

  • Mark

    Is there a Crowleyan connection to the TR-0 ‘confront’? Many of those who met (and took an instant dislike to) Crowley noticed a trick he had of seeming to stare right through whoever he was talking to, especially when he was trying to impress them with how masterful and insightful he was. Maybe, just possibly, it got passed on to Hubbard via Jack Parsons or one of his OTO pals at some stage…

    More likely it’s yet another of Tubbo’s excuses for ignoring the sort of sensible advice most of us learn at our mother’s knees (refresh):

    • Cat Daddy
      • Mark

        Then again, the poached-egg-eyes-occult-stare-of-inscrutable-power is neither very new nor original, as evinced by Blavatsky, Gurdjieff and LaVey:

        • Observer

          Gah! Blavatsky gives LRH a run for it in the looks department.

          • Mark

            Though her eyes are more like pickled onions than poached eggs 😉

            • joan nieman

              That’s funny Mark.

          • Mooser

            A person who read “The Bunker”, and has been privy to a lot of information from former Scios about the back-biting, snitching and competition within the Scientology Organization might form the conclusion that these techniques are the same ones they use with each other.

          • Douglas D. Douglas

            One should note they have never been photographed together…

            (And yes, she died before he was ever born. But that could be Hearsay, y’know.)

            • Observer

              Maybe Hubbard’s thetan was Blavatsky before it was Hubbard …

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              DING DING DING DING DING DING DING!

              We haz a Cognition!

            • Axiom O’Brien

              Hubbard had a thetan? I don’t think so.

            • Cat Daddy
            • JamesAnglin

              According to one of Martin Gardner’s books, Helena Petrovna Blavatsky was also referred to by her three initials, HPB. Maybe that’s where LRH got the idea. Anyway, I expect Blavatsky’s Theosophical Society was probably a model of some sort for Scientology, even if only subconsciously for Hubbard. I wonder if he ever said anything about theosophy?

            • pronoia

              Very loosely. There was never ever anywhere near the kind of control exercised by Hubbard. For one thing, Krishnamurti rebelled and did just fine.

            • Exterrier

              Yes Blubbard did speak of Theosophy and Rosicrucianism in the Study Tapes. We had to look them up. Yes, he studied them, and extracted things he could use.

            • Remy

              He must have been reading Gurdjieff, who wrote about mirror-gazing

            • Betsy

              I’d like to know that too. She was the foundation for an awful lot of strangeness…

            • richelieu jr

              Manly P. Hall, a Hubbard-Type Character who supposeldy saided the world assembling the world’s knowledge whilst publishing a corpus of books implied very strongly on a number of occasions that he was Blavatsky reincarnated…

              At any rate, wasn’t Blavatsky still alive when Hubbard was supposedly avidly exploring the male anatomy as a racist South African strong man?

            • Observer

              No, she died in 1891.

            • richelieu jr

              That’s right, Observer, thanks!
              And Manly P. Hall claimed he was born exactly decade after her or something.. It’s coming back to me now!

            • Observer

              No, she died in 1891.

            • Mark

              Were Golda Meir and Lyndon B. Johnson ever seen together?

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              hahaha

          • MaxSpaceman

            Yes, Obsy, but Lafayette Ronald was uglier than Blavatsky. Hubbard had that ‘reptilian’ look about him; exceptionally ugly human being. Too much clam; not enough man.

            • Betsy

              I agree, there’s something extremely creepy about LRH. In that video where he’s interviewed by the young Englishman (I’m sure you know the one)…the duck mouth, the lower lip hanging down much too far, the absolutely baked-in smugness…shudder.

            • MaxSpaceman

              Not that it means a whole lot but I saw there’s been some question about your ‘stand’ and ‘who/what’ Betsy truly is.

              I think Betsy’s writing has shown her to be remarkably aligned with the foundational aspects of The Underground Bunker. I consider you, Betsy- a Bunkeroo. Any one care to ‘talk’ about it I’m Max Spaceman.

            • Betsy

              Oh, thank you so much, Mr. Max…
              A Bunkeroo,
              A Bunkeroo,
              That’s what I long to be
              Drivin’ the nanoid from his lair
              And settin’ the prisoners free.

              Anyone who automatically thinks of quoting the Dhammapada (in your other message) has to have a lot of levels of compassion and other important things in him.

              Namaste…

          • pronoia

            Her eyes look cloudy – did she have cataracts?

            • Mark

              No – just very pale blue, very Russian eyes. It’s the Victorian photographic plate (a ‘tintype’ most likely) that makes her irises look almost as pale as the whites here.

            • Remy

              Yep, but there is still decent contrast with the pupils, so probably no cataracts

        • Cat Daddy

          This is the onley guy that kind off mastered it like that Blavatsky creepy woman

          http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1a/Rasputin_piercing_eyes.jpg

          • Betsy

            I read a book about Goebbels; he had recorded in his diary on the night that he first saw Hitler speak that he felt that he was looking right at him, straight into his soul. Hitler had very light blue eyes (kind of like Madame B, but not quite that light), which he inherited from his mother. The one picture I’ve seen of his mother is quite unsettling about the eyes too. But anyway, apparently Hitler was very nearsighted and didn’t want to appear weak in any way so he never wore glasses…which meant that when he was speaking in front of a crowd, his eyes could appear to be fixed on whatever he looked at, while in reality wasn’t focussed on anything. Whatever the cause, a weird fixed stare seems to be a dangerous weapon.

        • Deeana

          In the wiki article about Blavatsky, under “Criticisms” I was amused to note that in addition to being accused of fraudulently claiming to have false powers that she was accused of being a “smoker of cannabis”. Hah!

          • Mark

            She liked her herbal highs – dittany of Crete incense too, to bring on the ‘fluence.

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          Look at me. I LaVey. I got snake. I Scary.

          NOT!!!

          • Mark

            Real name Howie Levey – just another nice Jewish boy gone a little meshugger (Momma & Poppa paid the rent on his ‘notorious’ SF house for years).

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Keyboard player. Learned on the “organ”.

            • richelieu jr

              I met LaVey.. Spent a whole afternoon with him and thought he was great guy. I don’t know much about him besides that, though.

            • Mark

              Not nearly as dark and depraved as he sometimes liked to appear – but he did tell an awful lot of porkies about his life – almost as many as Hubbard.

            • richelieu jr

              Yeah, you could tell that truth was used parsimoniously in the manner of many good raconteurs (or I suspected this was the case, at any rate). Still, he was quite good conversationalist and made a good case (as far as that went)

          • Sir_Real

            La Vey and El Wrong Hippo were blow buds too.

          • joan nieman

            Hah!

      • Graham

        “If I wear my special hat and stare into the camera like this I’ll look so scary people will crap their pants. Either that or I’ll look like a complete dick….. Yea. Not sure I’ve completely thought this one through.”

        • Mark

          “Aleister! You’re not playing with my tea-cosy again, are you?”

          • Mooser

            Up-vote for “tea-cosy”!!

            • Mark

            • Qbird

              Okay. This is very strange my dear Mark… may I please play with the tea cozy?

            • Mark

              Of course, as long as you put it back on the pot afterwards – not like naughty Aleister, who let the tea get cold.

        • richelieu jr

          Triangle Hat,
          Triangle Hat
          Doing the things a
          Triangle Hat can
          What’s it like
          It’ snot important
          Triangle Hat

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        Are you sure this isn’t a photo of Tony Randall at a Halloween party?

    • Missionary Kid
      • Mark

        Thanks MK! There’s ‘Tubbo Tublard’ as well (tho’ I got ‘Tubbo’ from Brian DePalma & Paul Williams’s Phantom of the Paradise).

        • Missionary Kid

          I added that one, too.

  • InterestedinCrazy

    OT, a bit but….

    Latest: Quick reminder that the Dublin protest is one week away.
    Jan 25th 11am-5pm, Dub Org, Abbey St.

    Info here: http://anonireland.com/blog/

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Very best wishes to you and the gang! I await your report with bated breath!

      • InterestedinCrazy

        Thanks, it’s very quiet over at the anonireland site and on wwp thread for the protest so I’m sending links to all the Irish news people i can find!
        I’ll post update!

  • nottrue

    If someone is staring at me the first thing I do is check to see if my pants are zipped up..

    • joan nieman

      ..or if you have mustard on your chin.

    • FOTF2012

      Or lettuce stuck on your teeth after lunch and right before the big meeting.

  • Captain Howdy

    TR-Charlie
    Is sci where he got that from?
    Go Pats, Go Niners
    See y’all Monday

    • Jimmy Threetimes

      What are you gonna do if it’s pats niners in the Super Bowl and who said you could leave?

      • Captain Howdy

        I’m not worried about it, i have a feeling that the Seahawks are going to crush Jim’s hardballs, and it’s a miracle that the Pats have made it this far with all the injuries and loss of talent (Welker, Hernandez)

        • Jimmy Threetimes

          And my Brownies messed up The Gronk. Sorry about that. Anyways, have a good one Cap’n.

          • Mooser

            I know this sounds about as likely as anything L Ron ever said, but the Seahawks may win a Super-Bowl !!

            My wife is obsessed with the guy who throws the ball and “scrambles” so well? Okay, Russel Wilson, the “quarterback” that’s him. And don’t think she hasn’t been making the most tendentious kinds of opprobrious comparisons between us.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              You mean Russell Wussell “Hustle, Bustle & Man-Muscle” Wilson? Never heard of him.

            • Mooser

              “Never heard of him.”

              Or any of them. After all, what have they done? I imagine it may be somewhat disconcerting to the commentators if the AFC team gets beaten by a team which doesn’t exist, but they’re pros, they’ll improvise something.
              All depends on the outcome of today’s game.

            • Mooser

              Today’s game? I mean tomorrow’s game, Sunday. In which the ‘Niner’s play the Seahawks. winner to go to the Super-Bowl.

        • MaxSpaceman

          Go SeaHawks! Go Broncs!
          SeaHawks need to take Kaepernick and Harbough off of their self-inflated pedestals; they think way too much of themselves. They will go down. And lose.

        • CharlieWaters

          For my money, Bill Belichick’s coaching performance this year may be one of his best.

    • Sherbet

      Not a football fan, but I still say Go Pats! Have a fun football fest, Howdy.

    • Sherbet

      No, I think Charlie got that from being ka-razy.

    • richelieu jr

      I’ve done a lot of research on Manson, and have interviewed a lot of his ex-followers (and a couple of current ones) though the Man himself never deigned to see me..
      The new Manson book is quite good, btw.. Definitive on questions of his youth, I’d even go so far as to say…

      All of which is to say, while his connections to Scientology are well-documented (He listed it on prison forms for several years as his religion, and apparently attested to clear (or what it was known as at the time), it’s influence on him later is often exaggerated. I agree with the author of the new book that he took more form How to Win Friends ad Influence People and The Book of Revelations than L Ron… He was also heavy into ‘Stranger in a Strange Land, buy Heinlein, which was a big page-turner amongst Scilons a tthe time (amongst other folks, of course)

      However, as far as showmanship, carny-grade hypnosis and THE STARE, I think he took a lot indeed. He was quite fond of saying ‘What’s true is true for you’ and thne acting like an authoritatian asshole, so that certianly rings a bella nd chekc a couple of boxes, doesn’t it?

      HE also always told people he could get out of trouble by acting like ‘Crazy Charlie’ and he intended to do it during hsi trial (as he did, and does often, to this day– not that it takes all that much acting!)

      Still cell-mates and friends noticed a difference after his first Scilon courses, presumabley TR-0, etc and Bull-Baiting… THee are the fitrst references to his stare (and photographic evidence of same) that we have.

      His cousin does speak of him having a ‘crazy look’ that made your blood run cold, so there’s that.

      The new book poo-poos the conection to Scientology, but the writer clearly has little understanding of the religion, and goes on to quote clear Scilon influences as if they came from nowhere. I can sympathize,a s when I was doing my Manson research (for a film which has never come to pass, hélas!), I knew nothing of Scientology, either, or I would have asked a lot of different questions… Pity…

      This is third in my lis tof LOst Scientollogy questionsI should have s-asked;..

      NUmber 2

  • Artoo45

    Screw TR-0, I’m on TR-6!

    • 3feetback-of-COS

      best comment yet.

      • Mooser

        And the TR-7 and TR-8, I have heard, were quite under-appreciated. But the TR-6 was a beauty, a classic! And it still looks good.

        • Mooser

          A down-vote? Must be a Jensen-Healey enthusiast.

          • Missionary Kid

            Best thing that could be done to an Austin Healy is take out the engine and drop in a small block chevy. It was lighter, but you couldn’t have wire wheels, because they couldn’t handle the torque. To a collector, that makes it less valuable, but to someone interested in performance, it made a faster, more reliable car.

            • Mooser

              Depends on who does the work.

            • Missionary Kid

              The ones I saw were well done- and that was 50 years ago. Later, the same treatment to Jaguar sedans made for a much better car. The Jag handling and the better, more reliable power, made for a better vehicle.

            • Artoo45

              Triumphs are frailty incarnate, but they’re fun to drive . . . when they start.

            • Missionary Kid

              Lucas Electrics. Lucas was the Prince of Darkness.

            • ze moo

              Triumph used to make a nice motorcycle. The first thing everyone who bought one did was rip out the Lucas electrics and replace them.

            • Missionary Kid

              The Triumph Motorcycle was, of course, not related to the automobile company. There used to be a web site I love Lucas Electrics. I emailed a friend of mine about it, and he replied that he couldn’t open it. The reason was that it was black.

            • MaxSpaceman

              Triumph Bonneville, cruising Sunset Blvd. to the Beach. Then up Pacific Coast Hwy. to Monterey, Carmel and Big Sur. “Those Were The Days My Friend.”

        • Natalia M

          We had a red TR 7 in the back yard in the 1980s. It didn’t work but it was pretty. I used to sit in it and pretend to be a race car driver.
          http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/76/Triumph_TR7_Hardtop.jpg

          • Exterrier

            That is pretty common use for English sports cars. And Tr’s. I have first hand experience to prove it. Saves on gas, though.

        • Billy Windsock

          TR-7 was a dog, horrid engine and leaky. TR-8 was just a flashy 7, not really a new model.

          • Andrew Underhill

            The Dolomite Sprint was faster than the TR-7. The TR-8 was a 3.5 litre. 150bhp in those days meant that it could move rapidly if needed. I don’t think that the handling was ever special though.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      I like a plain old, granny safe Volvo if I had to pick one. Would be fun driving down Gulf Boulevard. And if I happen to pass one of Captain Blackheart’s security guards, I could yell out “YSCOGB” !

      http://i.imgur.com/96Jrbuh.jpg

      • richelieu jr

        I had a TR7 a friend and I tried to rebuild in our teens.

        Wasn’t worth it.

  • MeWOG

    My Mom has told me the story of the time when I was a toddler and taken to the circus. I “stared” the entire time at the people behind us. Now I know I was actually confronting!

  • InterestedinCrazy
    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Will enjoy listening to this, I am sure.

      • InterestedinCrazy

        He is the number one radio/tv presenter in Ireland. Not saying that’s a good thing, just stating a fact 🙂
        His interview will bring the story out the fringes/red top press (like The National Enquirer) and put it into the major leagues (NY Times, Washington Post, Ted Koppel)….

        So http://cdn.ebaumsworld.com/mediaFiles/picture/570157/819792.jpg

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          I am patiently waiting for the numerous Fail-Bombs to go off. Like that scene in Finding Nemo– one goes off and sets a chain reaction going.

        • Ka-Pow!

          I found the non-shooped original.

          • Remy

            This original image serves to corroborate:

            • Sir_Real

              And Tiny Davey is wearing his tallest elevator shoes hand-crafted by Sea Org slaves in this shot!

        • Ka-Pow!

          I found the non-shooped original.

    • OT8squared

      “Do you have to tithe or pay a portion of your income?”
      No, you don’t pay a portion of your income, you pay all of your income.

    • Graham

      Thanks for the link IIC. Can’t say I was too impressed with the interviewer. At one point he says, if Scientology is so successful with drugs how come there’s such a huge problem with drugs in the USA where Scientology is based? She immediately starts talking about something which supposedly happened in Italy, ignores the USA completely, and he let her get away with it.

      Sorry chuck- can’t agree with your assessment that she gets pwned by him- I thought he let her get away with far too much. Nevertheless- thanks for all the work you’ve done on this. You’ve made a major contribution to exposing Slappy’s lies to the cold light of reality. Respect.

      • Mooser

        I thought the interviewer was very intelligent to give her more rope when it looked like she was going to ‘go cold’ on him. She could have terminated the interview at any time. But he gives her more rope, and she keeps looping it around her neck.

    • Michael Leonard Tilse

      That was wonderful. Mr. Kenny was very deft. He had done his homework and while he methodically dismembered her assertions he kept up the charm and let her run off at the mouth with the scientologist mindset. I had a moment where I imagined my self, back in the cult days, saying the exact same kind of blather and supposed statistics, which I had gotten from other scientologists.

      The truth is that scientologists are trained and programmed to believe scientology. Thus when they are told that their program reduced drug related crime in Dublin by 85%, they believe it. So anyone up at the top in scientology can made the decision to falsify some statistic and this gets taken as ‘fact.’

      In society, it is rude to just accuse people of lying, or to automatically disbelieve what someone states. So most times a scientologist can state the most outrageous fabrications as ‘fact’ and few challenge them. The fact that the scientologist will show sincere and impassioned belief in the ‘facts’ makes it harder.

      But taking them one by one, doing research and finding out from credible sources and studies what the actual facts are reveals the scientology lies.

      This is why journalists such as Tony and obviously Pat Kenny are so important. They do the research and can show why the imaginary statistics scientology and scientologists come up with are lies. And that goes for anonymous, the critics, the professors and the exes too!

      I note too how when confronted with this video telling lies, Zabrina falls back into the “for internal consumption” justification for the overt. As if it was OK to make up false statistics as long as it was only lying to the faithful scientologists. And she tries to blame others by using the pejorative “pirated” for how the video made it to the public eye.

      All to divert off the stark reality revealed: Scientology Lies. It lies to it’s members. The members, believing the organization, repeat the lies to each other. The members then repeat the lies to the public, to the legislature, to business. Money is made for scientology off these lies.

      Without the lie that it is a religion, the lie that it helps people, the lie that it is harmless, the lie that it is expanding, the lie that it has millions of members, scientology would immediately be seen for the destructive illegal endless confidence game that it is.

      • richelieu jr

        Fascinating, Michael. Thanks for this.
        I am cosntantly amazed that Scilons, some I know and love, will know they are faking stats just to put upa good front/savethier hide, but insixst to the end tha

        • Michael Leonard Tilse

          Commentus interuptus? Anyway, some don’t know they are faking stats. Some do, but it is worth it to “protect scientology.” it is a warped view.

          • richelieu jr

            How strange! I can see the whole thing.. HEre it is again, anyway:

            Fascinating, Michael. Thanks for this.

            I am constantly amazed that Scilons, some I know and love,

            will know they are faking stats just to
            put up a good front/save their hide, but insist to the end that all the
            other stats are perfectly reliable and correct.. They lie about how many
            people came in, but they are sure there are 50 zillion new Scilons per
            day on the world…

            It goes hand in hand with the disconnect that talented professionals
            in one area use to compartmentalize contradictory info– The real
            nuclear physicists and just plain physicists know full well, Hubbard was
            talking out of his ass on that, but they are sure the rest is right.
            The photogs look at his stuff and realize same for his film making and writing skills..
            Everyone knows the old goat is a fraud in their own area of expertise, but is sure the rest is absolutely reliable.

            Wow.

            • Michael Leonard Tilse

              Yes, wow indeed. You are welcome. it is a kind of compartmentalization that doesn’t make sense, except to the person who has done it under the influence of the cult.

    • Unex Skcus

      Thanks for the link. I thought Mr Kenny did a good job. He seemed to be well versed in the subject matter, remained polite, and encouraged ZS blab on… unlike so many ‘radio jocks’ I’ve heard, who try to ‘swamp’ their interviewee with their own perspective.

      • InterestedinCrazy

        She gave her enough rope to hang herself.
        I do wish he’d been a bit more pressing on church abuse, the Sea Org, etc but he was limiting it to the 85% claim and the Ocean FM debacle and I think he did that effectively.

  • villagedianne

    The stare is pretty intense. You have to see it to believe it. It is laser-like, and at the same time weird and creepy. It’s hard to convey, like I said you have to see it.

    • Mooser

      Get a rock, throw it through the window of a jewelry store, and start picking out what you like. When you get sentenced, and have to spend a bit of time in lock-up, you’ll get to see this stare all over the place.

      I mean okay, you end up in stir, it’s going to change you. But putting yourself in a voluntary prison so you can develop the tough-guy don’t-fuck-with-me stare necessary in a prison yard?

      • villagedianne

        There is a difference. The weird thing is the Scientologists, when they are doing the Scieno stare, they don’t blink.
        Even when someone gives you the “Italian stare”, they blink.

        • Mooser

          They don’t blink? They let their eyeballs dry up? A person’s gotta blink! I suppose, if you trained yourself not to, and ignored the discomfort….

    • Straight Diet of Kerbango

      Manic patients stare like this. It’s unsettling.

  • Sir_Real

    Anyone remember the ‘Runaway Bride”?

    • Deeana

      She looks like she has a thyroid problem. Exophthalmos.

      • Remy

        Or maybe she is trying to go Tone 40 on the booking officer.

      • aegerprimo

        Hyperthyroidism aka thyrotoxicosis.

    • Shirley Eugeste

      And poor Adam Lanza… Yes he did a horrible thing, but I get the impression he was a ticking time bomb no one bothered to defuse.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Adam_lanza_sandy_hook_shooter.jpg

      • richelieu jr

        The kid just couldn’t bear looking like a middle-aged lesbian English teacher in his teens. Understandable, really.

        • Shirley Eugeste

          Um, WTF? Understandable? Really? What do you suppose the parents of the kids he shot think the situation is more complicated?

          Try this: other kids just couldn’t resist tormenting Adam and isolating Adam for looking like “a middle-aged lesbian English teacher” (God Forbid!) in his teens. Understandable, really. and this gave the little monsters carte blanche to make his life hell.

          Aside: do kids really call other kids “a middle-aged lesbian English teacher?” Or does that sound more like something a childish adult would come up with?

          Fortunately he had a variety of heroes and support systems and mental help to protect him from the cruelty, and a loving, soft place to fall when he got home.

          Oh wait, no he didn’t. But his mom bought him guns and took him shooting.

          Sure maybe being bullied intensified his various mental illnesses. I’m middle aged, have a library degree (Go Bears!), used to teach Norwegian (Heia norge!), now teach ESL, both my parents taught English, my sister teaches middle school Earth Science, one nephew is an astronomer and the other is a rocket scientist. We’re all pretty average looking. Maybe there are people out there who make assumptions about our sexual preferences, but we don’t care. We don’t want to have sex with them. And what our sexual preferences ARE, are none of your business, so don’t ask. Is it really an insult to be identified as LGBTQ. It matters to the people in a relationship together. And the sex-obsessed voyeurs. Why the fuck does anyone else care?
          Why bother guessing sexual preference based on a person’s looks? Looks can be deceiving (even yours). And sexual preference is a continuum. Did you go to one of those (home) schools that taught human sexuality (oo gross) Why use looks and/or potential sexual orientation as AMMUNITION against a SICK KID who’s CLEARLY STRUGGLING?

          I hope you get some help, grow the heart you lack, and knock off judging people by your ideas of aesthetics. Especially if your have children, They need support, not derision, they need acceptance not ridicule, ans if they need mental help THEY NEED MENTAL HELP

          And here all these years I thought this was just the way decent people treated each other, Please henceforth when you’re at a loss for something “offensive” to call a complete stranger, hit me with your best shot. I don’t give a fuck what you call me. Don’t care what you think I like, and if it helps you pass the time by guessing my sexual preference, by all means knock yourself out. Leave the damaged people alone

          • richelieu jr

            Dear Shirley,
            I am teacher as well.
            And I was being Ironic.
            I’d tell you to look up the word,
            but that also lends itself to misunderstanding in the current context, so instead, I will invite you to relax and step away from the keyboard. have a drink, if you do that, or a smoke, or not, or ale move to your partner (lesbian, gay, straight, tall or short, as you like— I quite honestly don’t care, and if you read what I said, I made no assumptions whatsoever about your sexuality, ir that murdering idiot’s, as it happens))
            pay if you like to, or don’t, or plat a sport, or not,
            but ESPECIALLY take a deep breath and
            CHILL THE HELL OUT
            it is hard to tell sarcasm or humor on line, especially when you don’t know someone but especially on a site like this
            and in the given circumstances
            we could begin by not assuming the worst.
            Whattaya say?

            Or go fuck yourself, the choice is yours.

            • Shirley Eugeste

              Insult me: have at it, you’re clearly well-practiced and, hey, whatever gets you through the night.

              But why demean an mentally ill young man and why bring homophobia into it?

              And why use “looks like a lesbian” as an insult? What is this context in which YOU express your meaning by using language that normally signifies the opposite, typically for humorous or emphatic effect. Are you going for humor or emphasis?
              Do you think that inclines others to give you the benefit of the doubt? Or does it make you look… well… less precise than you’d always hoped?

              And did you never find that “I was being ironic” is often used as a get-out-of-jail-free card after someone has found their “irony” was taken as offensive or hurtful?” As a famous rhetorician once taught me, “the expression of one’s meaning by using language that normally signifies the opposite, typically for humorous or emphatic effect lends itself to misunderstanding in the current context.” Why take chances? Some things are best left to the experts.

              Let’s say I take all your kind suggestions… relax, have a drink, a smoke, some sex, breath deep, chill out…. how does this get us, as a society, any further from dehumanizing people based on their looks, sexuality or lack thereof? Maybe one day you’ll be on the receiving end, and I hope you have friends to support you.

              AVE ATQUE VALE

            • richelieu jr

              I didn’t mean ‘lesbian’ as an insult, though I think you’ll find most young men want to look like young men and vice versa. As for the rest, you a re responsible for your own feelings getting hurt. At any rate, that guy murdered children, so fuck him.
              And do you find that criticizing strangers on the net builds you up somehow?
              This group is generally pretty positive place where we tear down Scientology. I am sorry if my (slight) mockery of a mass-murderer hurt your feelings.

              Wait until you hear what I have to say about Hubbard. You might want your smelling salts.

            • Shirley Eugeste

              You did not hurt my feelings, you merely offended me with your cruelty toward the mentally ill and your use of the word “lesbian” as an insult. I’m guessing we were not taught manners by the same people.

              We do not know each other, clearly have vastly different ideas about how people feel and what does or doesn’t counts as cruelty (and whether anyone even deserves it). Using a frequently offensive term then saying “I didn’t mean it as an insult” is not often a good way to win friends and influence people.

              I don’t foresee a lot of exchanges between us here on out…. but I do agree that this group is generally a pretty positive place where we tear down Scientology. “The kid just couldn’t bear looking like a middle-aged lesbian English teacher in his teens. Understandable, really” has made me rethink that.

            • Shirley Eugeste

              It always is. For you as well. I fail to see that this adds to the discussion.

            • richelieu jr

              Listen, I also am disengaging from this. You do not know me, or I doubt you would think for an instant I used the word ‘lesbian as an insult’ as you say. Lesbians are often thing with shirt hair.I doubt you can find one who would sat the contrary. I said outing bad about lesbians, lesbianism or homosexuality in general. I and a flippant moment about a photo of a ‘yes, mentally ill) lass murderer of children. You wrote me a paragraph of accusations and finger wagging in response;

              I regret being so angry in my response, but I admit I’m not used to getting attacked by total strangers (It is the internet, of course. I should toughen up)
              I admit I briefly considered if you were an OSA agent provocateur, before being briefly certain you were a troll (and biting anyway)
              ?The flippancy was partly the joke; I am sorry you don’t find it funny, but if that bothers you, there dis a whole internet of people who don’t mean nearly as well as I do that you may wish to avoid.

              Ot perhaps your talents are just needed elsewhere. A single lat of YoUTube comments should serve you for year or two of full time work.
              Stil, of your hunk I’m a bad guy, go look at my comment history. If you stiller so repulsed by me, by all means avoid me. I haven’t missed you so far and I doubt <i will in future.
              Be happy. I mean that sincerely.

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      Sighs……………Unfortunately…Yes.

  • LeeAnneClark

    My first thought in reading this was of Tom Cruise and his patented deep, forceful stare, Many critics have commented on his “intense eyes”, and he has used this powerful, penetrating stare in many of his acting roles. In fact, Christian Bale spoke of basing his “Psycho” character on Tom Cruise – he studied him, watched numerous TV interviews, and used his “intensive” media persona as inspiration for his serial killer, commenting that he noticed he had ‘nothing behind the eyes’ in public.

    Go back and watch Tom’s famous KSW video…the stare is there in full force. As a “never-in”, I never knew that this was a classic SCN attribute. Fascinating, and thanks for the detailed explanation!

    • pronoia

      Jason Beghe is awfully good at it also!

      • SandiCorrena

        Thankfully his has been decontaminated!

        • pronoia

          Yeah he only uses it when he is confronting scientology and while playing a dicey Chicago cop.

    • Betsy

      You know, that’s true (about Tom Cruise)! When I saw that video there was something that really really bothered me about it. When I read your comment I realized: it was that fixed stare and serious, serious mouth (almost pursed lips) accompanying the absolutely idiotic things he was saying. The guy who did the parody of him caught it perfectly. As though Tom were revealing the secret to life itself and instead he’s saying “KSW…you know, I mean like…pffhh!”

    • Anonymous

      Oh yeah, its straight out of KSW. Hubbard instructs his minions to give new recruit Mrs Pattycake a ‘fixed, dedicated glare.’

    • richelieu jr

      Can you tell me where you read that from Bale, LeeAnne?N It’s wonderful, and I would like to use it.

      • LeeAnneClark

        Hi – so sorry I didn’t answer your question sooner! Disqus seems to have gone through some sort of nervous breakdown and I was unable to respond. Maybe Disqus needs a good old-fashioned Introspection Rundown. 😉

        Anyway, I can’t recall exactly where I first heard that Christian Bale quote, but I remembered that he’d said it some time ago. I did a little digging, and you can find multiple references to it on the internet. Try googling “Christian Bale Tom Cruise Psycho” and several articles should turn up.

        Agree it’s an excellent quote!

        • richelieu jr

          Thanks, LeeAnneC! I appreciate it!

  • Qbird

    They say, the eyes are the window to the soul.

    Commence staring… okay… I’m on it ~

    • Mark

      Have you taken your Vitameatavegamin?

      • Qbird

        A Vitawhatchamacallit? Crap! Are you telling me there is something more I have to buy in order to get the answers to life’s questions?!
        “Do birds fly?” I say yes… but… Do Birds Swim?
        I am focused, I am staring, I am contemplating….

        • Qbird

          Do Fish Fly?

          • Graham

            Are bears Catholic?

            • Qbird

              Does the pope poop in the woods?

            • Cat Daddy

              Is the pope a bear ?

            • Qbird

              Huh?! Oh… sorry, I fell asleep… what was the Q hmmmm?
              ZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzz….

            • Missionary Kid

              I can’t bear the puns.

            • Troy MacGyver

              Never seen a Bear wear shoes like that.

            • WhamBham

              HAHAHAHA !!

          • Bury_The_Nuts

            I love these guys. Whenever I go on a Cruise (Carribbean)….I love to go to the top deck towards the Bow and watch the flying fish.
            They say they glide…………which they do……….but I have watched them flap those fish wings and pick up altitute to stay up.
            Sometimes they can go so far I can no longer see them.
            They fascinate me.
            Awesome, those Flying Fish.

        • Missionary Kid

          The name comes from an old I Love Lucy episode.

        • richelieu jr

          Do bears create Scientology in the woods?

          • Qbird

            hello there Richelieu ~ I cannot believe it could be so… I did read somewhere about a bear incident involving the {Source} of scientology, but like all of Hubbard’s rambling babbling confusing words, I just let them slide away back into the nothingness they came out of. Guy lied so much, how can you trust anything he said? I mean about anything at all! What a silly thread this is here, too light-hearted perhaps. You’ve read the truthful heart-felt conversations up above, yes?! I greatly appreciate the ex-scientologists who tell it like it is here. It is their words I wish to remember; it is their words & stories that make sense to me. I learn something anew every time I check in at the bunker. You know, my dear Cardinal, I make light of LRH’s processes because 1.) I haven’t ever experienced anything of its kind in my whole life, and 2.) it really frightens me… deep inside, in my head, learning how it works & why. I will to push away the ugliness & refresh to a bit of beauty if it is at all possible. Know whaddeye mean jelly bean?!! Hugs to you & yours Beau! Q

            • richelieu jr

              You and I are on the same page, Q-Brid!
              You gotta laugh or you’d cry.
              Better to laugh and do something than cry and roll up in a ball…
              xo

      • richelieu jr

        I think Lucy’s Vitameatavegamin manufacturers are also peddling CalMag, Mark!

  • Mooser

    “Whether the needle floats on heroin or cocaine, I do not know, but it likely does.”

    You mean they’ve been wasting all that money on unreliable urine-tests when all they have to do to indicate the presence of heroin or cocaine is measure the body’s resistance from hand-to-hand?
    I love e-meters! For a device which does nothing, it does so much!

  • jane456

    Do folks not know that this is done in some way in all cults? Moonies got the thousand mile stare, lots of others have marathon meditation, chanting, praying. End result, cult robots, self-sustaining slaves. Not original to the old fat bastard. Not even a little.

    • MarionDee

      I don’t know if it was actually taught to my ex in the Rouchies, but he certainly started to do it. The weird thing is that he didn’t really LOOK. His eyes were glazed over. He looked about an inch beyond his face, and that was all.

      • Mooser

        “He looked about an inch beyond his face, and that was all.”

        Perhaps he needed the services of a reputable ophthalmologist?

        • MarionDee

          LOL …. but no. He always seemed to be looking through a sheet of thick, glazed glass.

      • aegerprimo

        Sounds like Yoga mindfulness meditation.

        • Cat Daddy

          No, I do both Yogha and Mindfullness and I don’t recognize this to be so

          • Betsy

            Mindfulness…one of the truly wonderful skills one can have. I practice it also…

        • Priscilla

          I teach mindfulness meditation. Some students find it hard to stay awake during one of the exercises. We suggest that they keep their eyes open, focusing on the middle distance, but with a soft focus. No staring involved.

          • Betsy

            Certainly no staring. I practice the Vipassana version and keep my eyes more or less closed. You are indeed teaching a valuable thing. Like Jon Kabot-Zinn, I have been involved in using it (in a non-Buddhist setting) with elderly people and people who have terminal illnesses. By elderly I mean more elderly than I. It is an amazing addition to one’s life, even at the very end.

            • MaxSpaceman

              All experience is preceded by mind,
              Led by mind,
              Made by mind.
              Speak or act with a corrupted mind,
              And suffering follows
              As the wagon wheel follows the hoof of the ox.
              ——– Dhammapada ——–

              Expect it, Captain David Miscavige. Time is bringing yours to you. As it goes, Tick-Tock. Tick-Tock. Tick-Tock.

            • Remy

              Great quote! So true

            • Betsy

              Love it! I have the Thomas Byrom translation (the little book Shambala Press puts out). My favorite sutta is Yourself:

              To straighten the crooked
              You must first do a harder thing —
              Straighten yourself.

              You are your only master.
              Who else? …

              Your work is to discover your work
              And then with all your heart
              To give yourself to it.
              ————-Dhammapada———–
              Today someone put in that picture of Elron when he was not far from dying. Here’s another one for him: (From the sutta Violence:)

              He who harms the harmless
              Or hurts the innocent,
              Ten times shall he fall —
              Into torment or infirmity,
              Injury or disease or madness,
              Persecution or fearful accusation,
              Loss of family, loss of fortune.

              Have you seen that video made by Jamie de Wolf?

              Thanks for a little bit of dharma, Mr. Max. It’s always the right thing.

              _____

            • Casabeca

              My neurologist is a wonderful person and practices Zen Buddhism. I just ordered a book where Dr Suzuki discuuses Zen with Dr Christmas, a Christian. Dr Suzuki is doc’s fave author in Zen, so starting there.

            • Betsy

              Hey, another shared interest! I practice Vipassana Buddhism, although I did Zen for a long time. Vipassana is more accessible IMO and not so focussed on things like posture.

              One thing I really resent about LRH is that he adopts some Buddhist precepts and pretends that he is the first one to bring them into the light. And then twists them, of course.

              I imagine many Scientologists have no idea at all that LRH stole ideas that had been around for 2600 years and presented them as his amazing insights. Jon Atack was more informed, as he had had an interest in Zen before he encountered Scientology. He understands the connections and mentions them in his book, which I am reading now.

              Two books I love are: Buddhism Plain and Simple, by Steven Hagen; and Nothing Special: Living Zen by Charlotte Joko Beck. And on the general subject of how cults and gurus work, Feet of Clay by Anthony Schorr. I originally read it because a chapter of it is about Joseph Smith. He didn’t cover Elron, but the same concepts apply. Jon Atack mentions it as a good source on the general principles of charismatic cult leadership.

              This whole thing is fascinating in its own way, but now that I am learning about CO$ and the really monstrous behavior of LRH and now David Miscabbage, I am become very committed to helping bring this down in any way I can.

            • Casabeca

              Thanks for the recommends ;).
              The world is so full of fascinating subjects.

            • Casabeca

              Do you practice Buddhism alone or in a group, if I may be so bold as to ask?
              I love that you are another avid reader…

            • Betsy

              Both. Yep, reading turns out to be the thing I enjoy most…

            • Casabeca

              PS I was in Park City once and did a little trip down to to the downtown SLC mall. The food court was full of very large families, of course ;), but most interesting to me was the Temple Garment Shop. Every clothing item in every size, all pure white. Men’s suits, dresses, ballet flats, skirts , blouses, shirts, neckties , socks and so on. And picture books of the temple too. I think the ceremonial clothing has to come from a more official church source. Like the undergarments, aprons, hats and veils.
              A new temple is open to public a couple towns over. Open to the public before consecration. Should I go? 😉

            • Betsy

              Oh, I think you should! I’ve never been in one, though there was one that opened a few years back near me and I had the chance. i’d love to know what they look like. The pics I’ve seen make them look like luxury 30s hotel lobbies. If you go do let me know…

              I would love to see a garment shop! I’ll bet you’re right, that the temple robes and garments have to come from a different source. I’m sure you’re not allowed to buy them unless you have ID and can show you’re a Temple Mormon (i.e. in good graces–must be re-upped every year, as I understand it.)

            • Casabeca

              Just read the NY article by Wright from 2002, just before the SLC Olympics. Great find, I learned several new things, thank you for recommend.

          • Remy

            It’s difficult to stay alert with the eyes closed for a long period, so yes open eyes works better, but I agree – it’s not staring since the attention is not on vision

            • Betsy

              Yes…I just found that my eyes got so dry that my entire meditation became an effort to accept my dry eyes. Seemed easier to close them.

          • aegerprimo

            I was talking about what MarionDee described above, eyes open, not really looking. I was NOT comparing TR0 with Yoga mindfulness. FWIW, I do Yoga as well, but I am a novice and mostly do the Asanas (poses), daily.

          • richelieu jr

            SOudns like the definition of staring to me. Just not staring ‘AT’ something.

            staring – definition of staring by the Free Online Dictionary …
            http://www.thefreedictionary.com/staring‎To look directly and fixedly, often with a wide-eyed gaze.

            • Remy

              The difference is that there is no emphasis placed on vision…it is merely a peripheral perception, much like being tired or hungry. It’s not like looking at a painting or reading a book. The sense is inactive.

            • Priscilla

              Its the “look directly and fixedly” part that I don’t think is present. What we are trying to avoid is visual sensory input. But I haven’t discussed this issue with my teaching colleagues or with my students. I wonder if they think of it as staring.

            • richelieu jr

              It is pure semantics, the way I am presenting it. If the intent and result match, who cafes if it is ‘staring’, as defined by whatever dictionary (but NOT a Scilon one!)
              In the same way, no matter what the Scilon dictionary says, and what the avowed intent was, even if some people get some sort of ‘win’, the intention is dishonest and the real result is hypnosis and a passive, open subject. I can spin you a round, tell you I’m ‘shaking loose your consciousness,a nd that your spirit will be briefly ‘shaken free from kit’s terrestrial envelope’ which can result in a ‘lack of fixed bearing points’ and an ‘openness to sensing the turning of the planet which the brain typically ignores’ and w-hen you a re simply dizzy (as might be expected) I can rush you into a room and have you swearing up an down it’s win because you felt those things.
              It doesn’t make your subjective experience less ‘valid’ or ‘true’, it merely calls into question the label and context being attached. Context is everything.

            • Priscilla

              I agree that context is important. Someone mentioned (on this thread and in earlier posts) links between meditation and early experiences in scientology. So I’ve been curious about similarities and differences. The stare was one aspect that I found interesting. I gather LRH incorporated some aspects of eastern religions into his thinking. He even considered himself to be the Buddha at some point.

        • richelieu jr

          How about ‘havingness’ and ‘beingness’?

    • Natalia M

      The article quotes Atack saying as much — “Locked perception has long been used to enter altered states of mind. Repeated phrases, whether made by Wordsworth or Krishna devotees, will lead to excited states of mind, which many people believe to be blissful.”

      • Remy

        A seizure is an excited state of mind

    • Cat Daddy

      No but the methodicly inbedding of it all is unique

  • Douglas D. Douglas

    Whenever I hear the phrase “the thousand-yard stare” I think of this blast from the past. 43 million hits on YouTube and it never grows old…

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMNry4PE93Y

    • Natalia M

      This never gets old. I laugh every time.

  • Douglas D. Douglas

    Of course it’s rude. And confrontational. It’s not remotely engaging. It does not foster communication– it puts up barriers.

    When someone stares at me, I will give them essentially two opportunities to cut it out: First the glance and away (“I see what you are doing there”), then the bemused/pitying eye contact (“Really?”). After that I either walk away or engage. Engaging may involve actual verbal communication, as in “Excuse me? Is there something you need from me?”

    As far as a Scientologist who would try this on me, my likely response would be, “I see you are offering up a proper Confront. And you can see it is having little effect on me. Either you should not bother to be a Scientologist, or the Tech doesn’t work. Which is it?”

  • jmh

    Jon Atack’s posts are consistently fascinating. I love how he breaks down all of the *ahem* (dare I say) psychology of the actions of Scilons and how it can commonly affect one who practices those actions. I can see even more now how so many Scilons end up with severe mental issues after being taught to confront/stare as a way of life. Not only with staring producing hallucinations, but also with the idea of constantly confronting others. There is no safety net in Scientology. No trust. Snitching, reporting, tattling… whatever you want to call it- reigns supreme above any sort of compassion.

  • nottrue

    Master of the Stare

    • Qbird

      Love, love the Owls nottrue! tks.

    • Observer

      ..

  • Hingle McCringleberry

    “Cocaine’s a hell of a drug!” –Rick James.

    Anyway, I can’t use photoshop good like some of you. Can a brother make a request? Here’s a picture of the original Short Psycho himself complete with the 1000 yard stare and a nice pile of Colombian Needle Float. All he’s missing is an e-meter on the desk and some cans in his mitts to be really Blowing Some Charge. Can someone make that happen for me? Please and thank you.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Hmmm.

      The image is a bit small, and tightly cropped. (To add everything you want.)

      Will this do? (refresh)

      • Hingle McCringleberry

        I love this shoop with the fire of 1000 suns. This is going in a frame on a prominent spot on a prominent wall. Hingle Approved.

      • Hingle McCringleberry

        Oh Snap! Just noticed the IAS video in the background. This is how a real COB RTC would roll. And ripe for parody. GAT III will include the Miami Nuts Rundown- First djew get the money, then djew get the power, THEN djew get the woman!

        After he finishes slapping around an exec: “Do I SUPPRESS you? Do I ENTURBULATE you? Hey Lou! Give’m a quaalude. He love me in the morning!”

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          (That’s actually the New Year’s Eve event…)

          • Hingle McCringleberry

            My bad. Thought it was all of the flags up there. Either way, awesome work. I can probably drop $13-18 a week if you’re interested in a billion years of job security. . .

      • richelieu jr

        “Say hello to my little CoB!”

  • USA MRIID

    What Scientology is doing is suppressing and eliminating an innate primate behavior, specifically a carnivore behavior. It’s not “confronting,” it’s brainwashing. Scientology is turning their followers in to dimwitted, unthinking slaves that hand over money on demand.

  • OT8squared
    • Qbird

      done.

  • Remy

    Staring, similar to mirror-gazing, is a simple type of esoteric practice which (for better or worse) can produce altered states.

    It has been said that an esoteric or introspective practice can be evaluated somewhat “objectively” based on its ability (or inability) to give the practitioner (a) insight and (b) wisdom, as a consequence of (a).

    So if an insight is gained by “staring” then one must ask, did this result in “wisdom”? Or, in other words, did your quality of life improve, by being more effective at managing the problems and pain of life?

    Somehow, I think having the “insight’ that you were Napoleon in a past life, is unlikely to help you negotiate the difficulties of day-to-day existence.

  • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

    Alexa update for Jan. 17: *refresh for images*

    Tony: US rank #16,245 – down 506 from yesterday.
    Scientology: US rank #35,985 – down 2,387 from yesterday.

    Difference: 19,740 – 1,881 more than yesterday.

    In reply to ‘Just Dee’, who sent me a question yesterday regarding the commercial during the Patriots/Colts game: I have included a Google (Hearsay) trend graph showing searches for Scientology for the last 30 days. It does show a spike, but interestingly enough the spike came two days before the commercial was aired. There is a slight spike on the 12th, the day after the commercial, but not as high as the one before. Also there seems to be a lot of searching from Germany. Anybody want to guess on this..?

  • InterestedinCrazy

    Many hidden profile but lots to see…visit the Photos–>Events page…fascinating!

    What do scientologists look like where you live?
    http://thetaline.org/browse.php

    • aegerprimo

      WOW! Their calendar is PACKED!
      (Maybe I need to be a member to see all the “theta” events.)

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        Must be “invisible to us wogs…

        • Douglas D. Douglas

        • InterestedinCrazy

          Can you take that back, please?
          It sounds like you’re accusing people of not being sincere members of the anti-Sci *(abuse) community.

          Here’s what I saw…and I’m not a member of the site.

          • Douglas D. Douglas

            I was commenting on the fact that there are no scheduled events for a 50 mile radius of Los Angeles or Clearwater. No slight intended to critics!

            • InterestedinCrazy

              Cool, you know how this place can be at times.
              There are no events anywhere full stop. Look at the profiles.

            • Suzy

              There is nothing on their calendar, and only 4 business listings. Gee, how Theta

          • Cat Daddy

            I am not Anti-Sci but Anti-Abuse

            • InterestedinCrazy

              I stand corrected.

            • Cat Daddy

              In any case I am anti-CO$

            • Miss Tia

              i’m anti-$ci but anti-abuse of private individuals IN $ci…..

          • Miss Tia

            “sincere member of the anti-Sci* (abuse) community” ……wtf is THAT?? so you are basically admitting you want these individuals abused online? because somehow in someway this is a anti-Sci* (abuse) community?

            a few $cientologists deserve derision, some handcuffs, but most deserve empathy and ultimately FREEDOM…..not to have their privacy and even their personal locations linked to all over by you in an apparent attempt to some how rally people to mock them? seriously? dude……

            “Can you take that back, please?” yeah, you need to take all these links back…..

            i’m a down vote here too……

            • Hingle McCringleberry

              And I am your downvote. Before I explain myself, Tia, let me say one thing: Thank you for identifying yourself and explaining your rationale. I get downvoted all the time! Dissent is half of honest dialog and anonymous downvoting is for cowards and people that whip out a calculator to subtract the tax from the bill before they figure out their 12.5% tip. So good on ya there.

              But I have to disagree. If I can type a web address in my browser and a page comes up, its public. Simple as that. If @interestedincrazy:disqus threw up some passwords or some sort of credential to get into a restricted area, then go ahead and throw the flag and back it up half the distance to the goal. In the meantime, its out there, no login required, and away we go. We all love it when things leak out and get posted here. None of us were supposed to see those videos this week! The internet is free and permanent unless you’re running a certain Netscape CD that was going around awhile back. Now we just trust that Bunkerites are the good guys and don’t do what Hoodrat McSlappich and his OSA goons would do. . . (Hoping for 8 downvotes before bedtime! Leave a comment!)

            • InterestedinCrazy

              Deleted. This was all a matter of public record and i didn’t log in, just took screen shots of what was on a public site. It wasn’t about humiliating them. I explained further on WWP. People mock Scientologists every day here and there. This link was already a full thread on WWP. All I did was add a screen shot. It’s not linked to FB, these are there first names, in some cases with pictures.

              Anyway, gone now. Apologies to Tony.

            • Miss Tia

              I understand it is a matter of public record, it’s the point you posted it with a gung ho almost ‘let’s go get ’em’ attitude. Yes people mock $cientologists there and even here, but with their full names, locations, photos? No.

              You linked on WWP to the FB. And as I told you on WWP they block out 90% of people’s names. You linked directly to their names. You don’t seem to fully comprehend that about that full thread.

            • InterestedinCrazy

              The anti=sci (abuse) was a response to CAtDaddy saying he wasn’t anti=sci, he was anti-abuse…(abuse by scientology)…that’s what that means. No, I”m not admitting they should be abused on line. If you look at my posting history, you can see that.

              Please feel free to clarify that with CatDaddy. Now that the entire thing is deleted his/her comments are, too.

            • Miss Tia

              Why am I clarifying anything with CatDaddy? (No offense meant to you CD!!) You can’t clarify yourself?

              I don’t wish to look at your posting history. What would I see? You posting links over and over to something you didn’t do and taking credit? Or just posting links over and over? That’s what I saw 2 days this past week when you took over the comments. If disqus had a way to block people I’d block you and your noise.

            • InterestedinCrazy

              Nice. Credit for something I didn’t do?
              You know this how? I’m here to fight the lies and abuse of Scientology. Not to win Bunker of the Year.

              The links are to news outlets updating on the NYE Video. I’m not into the drama you seem to want to engage in. Which is why i”ve ignored all the down votes thus far and will continue.

            • Miss Tia

              I’m not trying to engage in dramz. Stop with the naive act.

              Ignore tech shield on.

            • Seannie5

              Tia, I don’t really know what went on here I have to acknowledge that I did appreciate interestedincrazy’s contribution to the board last week. She provided interesting links and it was her email that the radio presenter read out and he highlighted the fact that she didn’t want to give her personal information because she was afraid of harassment from scientology. That’s pretty important right there. I didn’t get the impression that she was taking credit for everything at all. So what if she spammed the board a bit, at least It was on topic. People go on about their pets/children/movies/weather and other random stuff here all the time. I think it’s a bit unfair to chastise her for bringing relevant information to the board.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Won’t open for me. Says “Module Not Found.”

    • Miss Tia

      Why would you post that? Individuals should have their privacy respected. I’m a down vote. I just saw you’re promoting it on WWP too and included their FB page which links to people’s FB pages. Dude, that’s not cool. You see on that thread on WWP most of the private $cientologist’s names are REMOVED right? Now you’re posting links where they’re open to the possibility of unscrupulous people harassing them. Dude.

      • noseinabk

        I think she posted the wrong link for what she intended. However, look at Terry in the 2nd row of the first page. I have saved a FB page with a very similar looking man. You know him well.

    • Hingle McCringleberry

      Neat link! Good work and GREAT work with the radio station thing!!!

  • InterestedinCrazy

    Xenu meets Xena.

  • Sunny Sands

    Jay Leno is going to be performing at the Capitol Theatre in Clearwater on Feb. 9 and March 29. This is on the next block from the Ft. Harrison hotel. A little birdie asked him to include some scientology jokes.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Jay Leno? I doubt it.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        His last day on the Tonight Show is Feb 6, it is not? He’ll be a free man then. I suppose it depends on what his plans are for after March 29 whether he feels free to break any chains of silence.

    • Troy MacGyver

      I don’t know. My morning guy,Howard Stern gave Kirstie a pass. One time he had Julia Roberts on and said that it was a difficult to do. Her people had given him a big sheet of paper of questions she couldn’t be asked. One was anything concerning,her brother Eric Roberts. It was so funny he read the list right after she left. Leno has no balls.

  • Michael Leonard Tilse

    TR-0 was probably what hooked me into scientology.

    As I understand it, it was “blinkless”. Commenters are correct in that if you did it literally without blinking AT ALL, your eyes would dry out. By the time I had done it in October of 1975, there was an Hubbard Communications Office Technical Bulletin (HCOB) in red ink on white paper (The “color flash” for a technical issue from hubbard himself) that expanded on the idea of “Blinkless” TR-0. It stated that there was a difference between the person himself blinking out of reaction, fright, nervousness or non-confront and the action of the body to automatically blink to clean and wet the surface of the eye.

    The person blinking was a flunk. If it was just the body doing it’s thing, then that was not a flunk. You blink many times a minute and never notice it. Sometimes it was a hard thing to judge. I think it was a time thing. The natural blink was very short and the person doing it was longer.

    Jon is right that within scientology it is not considered ‘staring.’ It is because hubbard defined it as ‘confront’ so of course the scientologist is not staring.

    To me the difference seemed to be one of intent. If I was staring I was trying to intimidate with my look as Jon states: The look of domination, the look of a predator. If I was ‘confronting’ it was (or became) looking out at the world neutrally, not shying away, not trying to do anything but look, absorb, witness.

    I went through hallucinations while doing TR-0. Colors would change or invert. Shape would change. Outlines would get strong or aura like. My eyes would get very tired. I would feel sleepy and sometimes would nod off with that jerk of catching myself.

    I also went through lots of mental activity. Doubts about what I was doing. Focusing on some particular part of the person or room that I could see. Trying to see instead of just relaxed seeing. Memories of unpleasant times in my life. I’d try to find ways to get out of them or edit them, then realize I wasn’t looking anymore.

    Emotions would come up. Fear, boredom, anger, sadness. The whole list of emotions. These made me react and not just seeing what was in front of me. They were not “doing the drill.”

    I had to somehow internally ‘disconnect’ these thoughts and feelings and reactions in order to ‘comfortably be there, not doing anything but be there, and confront.’

    I sometimes would feel ‘displaced’ from my body. Feel bent over when I wasn’t, or feel my position had changed somehow. Sometimes feeling far away behind my eyes, other times like it was a close window, and others when it seemed there was nothing between me and the world.

    It was many hours of doing TR-0 over a span of 3 or 4 days, working up to 2 hours of “blinkless” confront, before I passed the drill, having a “Major Stable Win.”

    But my end experience was one of clarity and calm. Sitting there, observing, no emotions, no mental chatter, no unwanted memories or thoughts intruding. Watching, able to act but with no need to act.

    That was a powerful experience. The basic course room was on the 6th floor of 414 Mason street in San Francisco, and I could see out to the windows across the street. At the very end of TR-0 I had the experience during the final half-hour or so, of seeing the room and the person and the window and the windows across the street brilliantly and the windows in the other building seemed only a step away.

    I told the supervisor after being given a “Pass” on TR-0, about this and that I felt I could just go to the window and step right into the windows of the other building. He freaked a bit by this and told me not to try it.

    This experience has stuck with me over the years. It was such a major change in my internal landscape that I would use it as a touchstone that ‘scientology worked.’

    I still don’t really know what happened that I had this feeling and experience. I don’t believe scientology’s explanation any more.

    I do know that the process of getting there, disconnecting my emotions and stray thoughts and memories made me into that ‘thousand yard stare’ scientologist. I also think it turned me into a functional sociopath with regard to scientology.

    I’ve been accused of having “cop’s eyes”, and I think that certain kinds of stress or necessity create a similar watchfulness.

    And it does disconcert people who see a scientologist for the first or every time. On the scientologist side it is a smug badge of belonging.

    • Missionary Kid

      Thanks Michael. That’s powerful, and full of insight.

      Could, in a way, the “confront” stare is a different approach to placing one in a similar state to the nothingness of meditation? The mind escapes to put itself somewhere else. It could be an altered state, but one that is more imposed by the brutality of the mindfuck of Scientology, or an escape from it.

      • Michael Leonard Tilse

        I don’t know. I have never practiced any other form of meditation. I try to describe what I experienced so others can make connections or understand better.

        I wouldn’t say “the mind escapes.” It is definitely an altered state, but I can say I felt very ‘there’, very present and alive and open to the world, just not doing anything about it or even having the thought to do anything about it but experience.

        I’m not recommending it. I think it makes you a sociopath because you lose empathy and emotional connections. It sets you apart. It is a brutality you impose on yourself. No one “makes you into a scientologist.” You make yourself.

        Edit to add: Hubbard authored the roadmap for how you brutalize yourself. I was trying so hard to attain what he promised I jumped through all the hoops as carefully and as exactly as I could.
        That’s what I mean by “You make yourself.”

        • Remy

          This is one of the awful things about Scientology. If someone chooses to explore these altered states, it is risky and should only be done in a supportive setting with healthy interpersonal dynamics, and a strong moral framework.

          If someone is hitting these altered states in a predatory setting like Scientology, which is morally corrupt, it’s really a setup for disaster.

          • Mooser

            If there’s not too much pain involved, I can transcend dental medication. The pills upset my stomach.

            • Troy MacGyver

              Try putting 3 percodan in a glass of water and stir. Slam it down! I was in a car accident and that’s what my Dr. told me to do.

            • Mooser

              If your doctor prescribes strong pain medication, take as directed, only as long as needed.
              Sometimes after extensive dental work, I cannot eschew pain medication. So I just gulp them.

          • aegerprimo

            Yes Remy. Lisa McPherson comes to mind.

          • Exterrier

            Remy, that is so true. A strong moral framework. Morals is sort of a forgotten, and possibly dirty word in Siphonallogy. It was replaced by Ethics, which was warped as described in the Jeff Hawkins series Tony posts. Way th Happiness is fake window dressing and flypaper tossed out to wogs.

            I am actually very glad I did the TR’s, because it broke through my chronic introversion,and certain discomfort I had about speaking up and managing my environment. Same with most the communication drills…not the later ones about how to lie and dodge questions convincingly. If there were a class with no control agenda that had light versions of some of the drills, I would recommend them. Maybe Assertiveness Training courses had some good things. And there s no stare to unlearn.

            • Lady Squash

              Exterrier, I have often had a similar thought: What if the TRs could be taught in a safe, nonpredatory environment? I believe they are useful tool. Perhaps in some future imaginary Camelot…

        • Missionary Kid

          I believe you make yourself one with their guidance, prodding, and threats to your eternity.

        • Casabeca

          If one can brutalize oneself into a becoming a sociopath, perhaps it is also true that one can nurture oneself into becoming a renaissance man/ gentleman.

          • Missionary Kid

            Nurturing is not a part of $cientology.

          • Exterrier

            Yes, you can. You do it by truly loving those around you, with fewer and fewer conditions all the time. A renaissance man may be a bit beyond reach, in the Da Vinci sense, but the gentleman part is a decision and practice one can take on at any time.

          • richelieu jr

            You can certainly brutalize yourself into becoming a sociopath… Try not sleeping and not eating enough and then actin like one (in short, join the SeaOrg).

            You cannot act one way and believe something else in your heart of long. That was the lesson of Patty Hearst.

        • Anonymous

          Well said.

          Hubbard also convinced you that while acting as as your jailer, he was really your “protector.”

          • Remy

            It’s always opposites day with Hubbard!

          • Lady Squash

            And liberator. That’s a characteristic of a sociopath: · Manipulating others, such as pretending to be deeply interested in someone in order to achieve a goal. He was very good at it.

        • Lady Squash

          “I’m not recommending it. I think it makes you a sociopath because you lose empathy and emotional connections. It sets you apart.” Michael, whereas what you say is true about losing empathy and emotional connections, I believe It takes more than that to become a proper sociopath.

          I am posting an excellent survey of characteristics by Marcia Purse from a post on the ASK.COM site. LRH’s personality fits the following characteristics to a T. My favorite: “Manipulating others, such as pretending to be deeply interested in someone in order to achieve a goal.” Anyway, here’s a fuller look:

          “Here’s a look at the personality traits that psychiatrists consider when diagnosing this condition:

          1. Required: Self functioning that is: Egocentric, getting self-esteem from power,
          personal gain or pleasure; and/or Sets goals based on personal gratification,
          without regard to whether achieving those goals is legal or ethical.

          2. Required: Interpersonal functioning that: a. Lacks
          empathy – doesn’t care about hurting others; b. Can’t have true emotionally
          intimate relationships because relates by exploitation that may be by: Deceit;
          Coercion; Control by dominance; Control by intimidation

          In addition, diagnosis depends on the presence of many of these behaviors:

          Manipulating others, such as pretending to be deeply interested in someone in order to achieve a goal;
          ·
          Being deceitful, such as a man who says he is a decorated war hero when in fact he has never even served in the military;

          Having a callousness that could be shown by not caring about others’ feelings, having no remorse when actions harm others,being aggressive, or being sadistic;

          Showing hostility easily. This could be shown by things like: Repeated fights or assaults;
          Irresponsibility regarding commitments (e.g., financial obligations), agreements and promises; Making spur-of-the-moment decisions without thinking about how they might turn out; and/or finding it hard to make or follow plans; Taking risks that might result in
          self-damage for no particular reason, even though the consequences could be
          self-harming; being easily bored and doing thoughtless and risky things to
          fight boredom; ignoring personal limitations and denying that activities could
          be dangerous.”

          • Michael Leonard Tilse

            A quick reply, Lady S, before I go to bed.

            I think you are correct in that it takes much more for a person to be an actual diagnosable sociopath. Perhaps severe emotional and physical abuse coupled with brain damage and mis- or non-functioning mirror neurons.

            But the point I am trying to make is this: The training routines and much of the philosophy and rules of scientology transformed me into someone that acted AS IF I was a sociopath. Especially with regard to scientology, threats to scientology, forwarding scientology, attacking people critical of scientology, losing empathy for any one who left the church, flat affect in emotional situations, etc.

            I don’t know if it causes brain damage. But I sure did adopt many of hubbard’s characteristics in my thinking and behavior.

            It wasn’t throughout my whole sphere of action, but did operate in much of he scientology related ones.

            I too am pretty sure I am not a sociopath, but I am very clear that in certain ways and situations because I was a scientologist, my behavior was sociopathic.

            It is part of my process to face up to in detail what I experienced and what I did in scientology. It helps me see and discard the thinking and patterns drilled into me.

            I’m not done yet. But I’m making progress.

            • Cat Daddy

              Big Money cooperations do that to you too

            • Lady Squash

              I understand what you are saying. I’ve been there. But still I think you are being too hard on yourself. I would say that the behavior the “Church” fosters is aggressive and abusive. But personally I reserve “sociopaths” for the Hitlers, DMs and Ted Bundys of the world. But that’s just me.

      • Casabeca

        I thought he could have been discussing meditation too.

      • Anonymous

        Many long time Scientology tech folks would say that if the person you are confronting thinks you are “staring” at them, you are doing it wrong. Properly done, TR-1 is not noticeable to the other party. Blah, blah, blah.

        This conversation can get very weird and esoteric.

        Hubbard presented himself as the master of all the TR’s and insisted that you listen to tapes of him doing them. However if you listened to his tapes, then compared what he is doing on them to the Bulletins he wrote explaining how they were supposed to be done, it was almost impossible to believe that the same person was involved.

        Like most of Scientology, each person involved was both the game player and the score keeper.

        IMHO, trying to make sense of Hubbard’s stuff in an objective way proved to be virtually impossible.

    • Mooser

      If I press on my eyeballs with my fingers, I see all kinds of stuff. And I can sort of kick my eyeballs out of joint, and get those funny perspective things. And if I tense my neck just right, I can make myself get dizzy and nearly faint! I often have outer body experiences, too.

      • Exterrier

        You can also visit the shale extraction, fracking,and mountain top removal zones in North Dakota and West Virginia if you want to experience Altered States. Take your own bottled water, though.

      • grundoon

        “A phosphene is a phenomenon characterized by the experience of seeing light without light actually entering the eye.”

    • Great White Clam

      Yes, cop’s eyes. Same as ex-con’s who’ve done hardtime.

    • Anonymous

      Excellent post – thanks. We had comparable experiences.

      Admin TR’s, which are similar but designed to train someone to “get an intention across to another” in an environment of confusion, can put a person into a condition where they will not back down from virtually anything. This is not always a good thing, because there are people and things that can kick your ass (literally and metaphorically) even if you don’t think so when you are “confronting” them.

      Personally , I found Admin TR’s useful in the real world, especially in situations that required a great intensity of concentration in a competitive environment. It taught me that in truth, most people weren’t trying very hard and could be bettered simply by directing ones full attention to the task at hand.

      There are many other ways to develop this skill set. Many military organizations, especially Special Op’s units, excel in it.

      • Remy

        Doubt that would work against sociopaths/ narcissists, but interesting nonetheless!

        • Anonymous

          Agreed.

          It is tough to get a true sociopath to back down – that is what makes them so dangerous.

          Best to give them a knock when they are not looking. 😉

      • Exterrier

        Yes. I met many businessmen in the real world whose “TR’s” were way better than mine, and wonder what training they had had in getting things focused and back on point so quickly. And they did not have to join a cult to do it, I remember thinking. I think sales, military and police must have some good training, and leadership skill courses, like you say.

    • Exterrier

      Thanks, Michael. A lot. I was hoping someone would put up a serious discussion of what happens with TR zero. I had my own experiences similar, but less intense, than yours. I was afraid to mention it frankly, lest I be besieged by well meant but gratuitous corrections and analysis by people on the blog who have not done it. I would also like to hear Tory’s take on it, as she has some viewpoints, I know.
      I had some breakthroughs on it, I believe, like one can get with a certain amount of Meditation. But there is some definite harm that occurs, it seems, with doing hours and hours of it. Especially if one gets into an emotional disconnection, and moves into an entrained psychopathic gaze.
      People do stare at mandalas to focus and quiet their racing minds. The racing mind is a form of hypnosis that most of us are subject to constantly. Quiet walks in nature might be the best and safest cure…so much gan be gained by turning off all the tape loops and background noise. I recommend a camping trip to Joshua Tree. Take No drugs with you, though.
      I liked the TR0 to the point that it made me lose my fear and self consciousness about being seen or looked at. Helped me in many ways. But it began to get dark or shaded evil when I began to lose my consciousness of gazing at others too intently, or observing too closely. Fortunately I did not do the really intense Upper Level versions of that, with days and days of it, or I might be finding myself on a couch with Oprah, freaking out the public.

      Thanks for contributing this long observation, Michael.

      • Remy

        “The racing mind is a form of hypnosis that most of us are subject to constantly”

        Unintentional self-hypnosis… interesting concept, and I agree with the observation.

        But I think traditionally hypnosis needs an intention from some source, self or other?

        • Exterrier

          Yes. I did a lot of searching on hypnosis after departing the cult, and concluded it is a very natural and common state, that we pass in and out of daily. It has some evolutionary functional value or use. But we should learn to recognize and manage our own tendencies, or others will do it for us. To that extent, my Siphonallogy experience was a real good lesson, along with my subsequent investigations so far.

          • Bury_The_Nuts

            You nailed it Exterrier. Rocking back n’ forth. Shaking your leg or foot.
            Guilty as charged…….and yes. It does have a Hypnotic use.

          • Remy

            Great insight! Thanks (edited my post)

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        Joshua Tree.
        Good antidote.

      • richelieu jr

        If “The racing mind is a form of hypnosis..” is a racing heart a form of exercise?

        • Remy

          Not if it is a result of a racing mind!

          • richelieu jr

            Ha!

        • aegerprimo

          No.

        • Exterrier

          For the heart, certainly.

      • Lady Squash

        I am enjoying this thread very much. Thank you Michael for getting it started. I had similar experiences on TR-0. I did the two hour “stare” also and felt it was very transformative. I agree with Michael. At the time I did not feel like I was staring. “Staring” was doing something and so I “staring” was NOT doing it. It was a more relaxed “being there” kind of thing. That said, when I had lunch with my cousin years later who was not a Scientologist she said, “Stop staring at me.” I had no idea I was staring at her. “You’ve got that crazy Scientology stare going on.”
        At the time, I thought she was, ya know, a critic and so I dismissed her comment.
        It wasn’t until I left Scientology that I realized that I did have a habit of holding eye contact longer than normal and that it did make people uncomfortable. As part of my very own “road back” deprogramming program I make a point of not holding eye contact for any length of time. And in retrospect it was invasive of personal space, which is a Scientology practice. It isn’t talked about very much but invading other people’s space is considered a good thing to do. It justifies staff calling you at all hours; knocking on your door after 10:00PM to ask for donations or pester you about coming to course; and insisting/demanding you answer personal and impertinent questions.
        But at the time, I thought TR-0 was the greatest thing since sliced bread. It was very meditative, it quieted my mind and after weeks of trying and going through all kinds of emotions and the face of the person in front of me changing as if I were in Wonderland, I arrived at a state of blissed out peacefulness. I felt I was outside my body, the restlessness I had felt vanished and I felt I could sit there like that forever. This I was told was going exterior. I loved it and thought “this stuff works”. They had me after that.
        Knowing you can detach is a useful skill. And I was grateful to LRH for developing that drill. But now I am not sure what to make of it. It was a hook and being a natural optimist, I just saw the silver lining. The harm was perhaps setting me up for the rest of it.

        • I am

          Where did you get the idea that LRH developed that drill? Read critically!

          • Lady Squash

            “Where did you get the idea that LRH developed that drill? Read critically!” Wow. A little respect, please. You presume I haven’t done any research on this subject and yet I have done a lot. If I have missed something, such as who developed the TRs, I would sincerely like to know. I know Hubbard didn’t develop the Study Tech and know who did. I know that Dianetics is based on Freud and Abreaction which was used by the military after WWII to try and help our soldiers recover from shell shock. I know that the repetitive process used in Scientology were developed by a staff member. You apparently know more than I do, and I would like to be honored to be enlightened.

            • I am

              You have my respect lady squash, but try Allister Crowley and anyone who does meditation.

            • Lady Squash

              Thank you.

            • I am

              You are very welcome and let me know how it goes. I really do respect you!

    • aegerprimo

      My experience doing TR0 was similar to Margery Wakefield’s in the chapter “Flunk for Laughing! Start” of her book “The Road to Xenu.”

      After hours of hallucinations, body parts falling asleep, etc., there came a point when I felt as big as the room and like I was looking down on my body. It was an amazing experience at the time.

      If anyone is interested, this chapter in Margery Wakefield’s book is worth reading and goes with Tony’s article today, and adds understanding to your experience Michael (for the never-ins).

      http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Library/Shelf/xenu/xenu-04.html

      • Exterrier

        “Big as the room and looking down on my body”….. I had stuff like that happen during an objective process. Really cool. Not sure what it was…..they said it was exteriorization…and it sort of felt that way. But I was not flying around the room and checking dust on the valences and such. I just felt expansive and unconfined by trivialities. More than me, sort of outside. Oh Gawd, I hope I wasn’t “3 feet back of my head”!

        It’s ok to have fun with this, you guys. I don’t regard it as religious, so won’t be “very very angry”. I still have that experience of being very big like that now and then. Not with you guys, though, ha, it is not permitted for long. (Maybe I should keep this to myself.).

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      I’m not a doctor, but I’ve stayed at a Holiday Inn.

      Depersonalization is defined as persistent or recurrent experiences of
      feeling detached, as if one is an outside observer of one’s mental
      processes or body.

      http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/294508-overview#aw2aab6b6

      Interesting discussion Techie started today beginning with what actually happens when you get that funny feeling in auditing session with the emeter. Not sure if this link will take you to the correct page.

      http://tonyortega.org/2014/01/18/jon-atack-on-scientologys-fundamental-feature-thousand-yard-stare/#more-12418

      • Exterrier

        Oooo….. I will read your link and study depersonalization a bit. I am sure a whole lot of that happens in Siphonallogy, on the way to becoming a psychopath.

    • Valerie Ross

      Michael, thank you for actually talking about today’s topic, TR0. It is interesting, but TR0 was still a part of my repertoire IRL though I didn’t even think about it until I read your comment. If someone is really upset and we are face to face, I simply give them what people who know me call my deadeye look. It’s actually what I did in TR0. I just shut up jut out my chin and look with no expression. Wow. Thanks for making me realize what I am doing, because the worst part about it is the last sentence in your comment and the word smug and I do feel smug when I’m giving them that look. It’s never too late pull another piece of the programming out of your mind.

    • kemist

      I did a version of this. Admittedly it wasn’t as intense, and the group I did it with is much less toxic than scientology. You were supposed to stare another person in the eye, but it was also a form of guided meditation. The group also practiced a form of yoga/meditation where you get to hyperventilate a bit.

      I did hallucinate a bit, and got a kind of euphoria.

      The hallucinations are easy to explain. Staring for long times like this will provoke fatigue in the cones and rods in the retina. If you stare at a red object for instance, retinal fatigue of red cones may generate its complementary color (green) as a way to rest red cones. When I took painting classes, the teacher even used this as an exercise (staring at colored pieces of paper and then at a white wall) to demonstrate complementary colors.

    • Kitz

      Thanks for explaining this. Every once in a while, you still fall into this training and get that stare. Very disconcerting, especially at close proximity! Usually though, the subject of your scrutiny deserved every bit of it and more..i.e. The idiots in Florida, 😉

    • Verve

      Oh hairy fishsticks on a roasted fire- it’s freakin’ blinking! What a psychotic mess Elron was- did he wake up every morning and lick his lawn to see how its tone was doing? (Don’t answer that, it’ll just freak me out more.)

  • Betsy

    I have been reading the comments of the “person in question” referenced by Tony on December 26. I am now seeing why the feeling of betrayal and wariness has surfaced. And I promise…I will NEVER NEVER NEVER use the phrase “back atcha” again.

    • Missionary Kid

      You probably could — after a decent interval. I don’t care what words you use. It’s nice to have your contributions here.

    • SandiCorrena

      Missionary Kid is right; and unfortunate/coincidental turns of phrases become sanitized after washing, and with everyone here someone is always doing laundry, and are then safe for use again. 😉

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      Back atcha, Betsy!
      😉

      • Betsy

        A good laugh from here! You won’t trap me, though. I ain’t sayin’ it again. After I read the messages where it WAS said (and everything else), I have retired that little phrase, which was never really the kind of thing I say except when I can’t think of something else. It roams the prairies, free from me.

        But wishing the same for you, Nuts!

        • Cat Daddy

          Don’t worry.

          • Betsy

            Thanks. Really heartfelt. Thanks.

  • BosonStark

    Sometimes I felt Debbie’s eyes on me from Guadalupe. They were saying, “Come to Flag…”

  • AutOmatic

    The only known cure for the TR-0 “stare”:

    http://www.eelslap.com/

    • Michael Leonard Tilse

      Now that was funny! I must have slapped that guy 50 times, just because it is so cool.

    • aegerprimo

      Ha ha! I waited a bit for the guy to do something, then accidently moved my curser across the pic….
      Slap me! LOL.

  • Bury_The_Nuts

    Ok, had to work today.
    Did I miss anything?

    And DO NOT lie to me!

    Or I will stare…(I mean confront you), without blinking until you cry like a colic fueled baby.

    Yep, don’t mess with BTN.
    She is tired. Her back hurts.
    And she just poured her first glass of Vino!!!!

    Happy Saturday, peeps.

    • pronoia

      Only a bit of Alice in Wonderland.

  • MaxSpaceman

    Jon Atack: “Among animals this locked-on eye contact means only one thing: you are prey and I am about to eat you.”

    Uhm, no doubt about that in these animals, I’d say- eh?
    (left to right: Crowley, Blavitsky, Gurdjief, Oy Vey aka La Vey)

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      Well Duh? Is that not what Jon said?

      • MaxSpaceman

        And, duh- isn’t that what I’m quoting him as saying and showing a picture of in direct illustration dontcha know now. Edit: clipped from comments below thread, some fine illustrative photos they are.

    • Snippy_X

      Crowley looks curious almost. La Vey is so bizarre. The two in the middle look like some Forum – Est trained interviewer types. They are the creepiest. They thought they were so clever with their manipulative silence they used to like to suffocate you with after you finished a sentence. They never caught on to the fact most humans are designed to sense bullshit like that. Those people are so pretentious and aggravating.

    • Exterrier

      Gurus and charismatic founders of methods and movements seem to have voracious and predatory natures, and eyes like hawks over a field of mice. I found this little poem about Gurdjief on Wikipedia, written by the wife of a beaten down adherent.
      In the early 1930s Gurdjieff publicly ridiculed one of his pupils, Alfred Richard Orage. In response, his wife Jessie Dwight wrote the following poem about Gurdjieff:
      He call himself, deluded man,
      The Tiger of The Turkestan.
      And greater he than God or Devil
      Eschewing good and preaching evil.
      His followers whom he does glut on
      Are for him naught but wool and mutton,
      And still they come and sit agape
      With Tiger’s rage and Tiger’s rape.
      Why not, they say, The man’s a god;
      We have it on the sacred word.
      His book will set the world on fire.
      He says so—can God be a liar?
      But what is woman, says Gurdjieff,
      Just nothing but man’s handkerchief.
      I need a new one every day,
      Let others for the washing pay.

      • Casabeca

        This poem is amazing!
        For a current example of this malignant kind of relationship, read the article,”The Master” at the New Yorker on line. I have read it twice, then studied history of pederasty and mind control methods. Would love an intelligent analysis/discussion from or with you.
        I so agree about the corruption of charismatic into monstrous.

  • Bury_The_Nuts

    Um….Er………….Where is Everyone?

    • aegerprimo

      I know! Something going one we don’t know about?

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        ?
        maybe?
        hmmmm!

        • Remy

          Maybe we need a troll…

          • Bury_The_Nuts

            Are you Volunteering? 😉

            • Remy

              Not tonight:)

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Lol… Oh sure..Now U get lazy!!!

            • Remy

              Lazy! Yes, for today:) But you won’t know when I will become less lazy

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Bullshit…….yes, i will. 😉 Try again. commander

          • ZlogonjeAgain

            ok maxspacemans endorse don’t mean shit. bs.

            • pdufdeld

              Your post history is quite elegant

            • noseinabk

              Hello Z!

      • EnthralledObserver

        Aussies are in the throes of getting kiddies back to school stuff done… and last minute trips away. School starts 28/29th January for us here in Queensland.

        • EnthralledObserver

          Have I mentioned I hate this fucking job… wrapping books.

          • Casabeca

            Oh wow, for moms the countdown back to school can be so long.
            I feel for you…happy back to school soon ;).

    • TXCowgirl

      SAG Awards

    • SandiCorrena

      I was wondering that same thing!

    • Snippy_X

      School started up again. Maybe people are burnt out. I have been in and out all day, but the mind is blank.

    • Hobson’sChoice

      Hey BTN…. I’ve been making like a pop tart and poppin’ in and out all week. Haven’t had time to comment. Big project at work, Mother visiting from out of state, and husband feeling neglected. 🙂 But, I read everything that Tony writes… just haven’t had time to join in the fun.

    • Miss Tia

      Not in the bunker! 🙂

    • Artoo45

      Some of us have houseguests and art auctions to deal with and still sneak away for a hit off the BunkerBong™.

    • noseinabk

      Howdy is on a football binge, Medialush is away,1sub is ignoring us (bring up cooking with cast Iron pans to entice him) and all the others have been annoyingly quiet. I consider it a good day when Andrew, Richelou, Hole, JP or You and Tilse post. Spf and Spackle are added bonuses too.
      I do like hearing from our long time lurkers.
      By the way, LURKERS! Speak up and ask away! Long time posters and readers sometimes forget that not every person knows the back ground of these COS reports.

    • Jo

      I’ve been waiting for Facebook approval, since Puerto Rico vid.

      • Snippy_X

        Oh I see what you did. Good one 🙂

      • valshifter

        hay mira papa que rico, bacalaito papi bacalito, entrale a la sangologia esa, que ejeso papa, aqui puro Boricua, puro santero baya, el dia que la Jenifer Lopez se meta a ese culto me meto yo yabien, azucar!!!!

  • Snippy_X

    Haunted eyes 1.

    • Sir_Real

      That poor girl, such a sad story. RIP Lisa.

      • Sarah James

        I wonder what her life would be like today, had she not fallen into the trap of scientology and David Miscavige. David Miscavige, so scared of being held accountable for her death. Yet he did not change. Uwe, Alexander, Annie and the list goes on.
        Hey OSA you hold no esteem in my eyes. David Miscavige is insane and you assholes prop him up. He could not do it with out you and the day will soon come when it all falls apart.
        I do believe in Disconnection From Scientology!

  • Snippy_X

    Haunted eyes 2.

    • pdufdeld

      Contacts, obviously

      • Snippy_X
      • Cat Daddy

        NOT

        • Casabeca

          Just a note to say I appreciate a lot of what you share here.
          Alize has got to be one of the world’s most beautiful women.
          And you share a lot of great music.
          This neighborhood would not be the same without you, so please stay safe so we can all keep playing together ;).

    • Troy MacGyver

      Photoshop!

      • Snippy_X

        I think it’s mainly her natural eye color and the Kodachrome. All I could find about the photo was from PetaPixel, “McCurry shot the photo on Kodachrome using a Nikon FM2 and Nikkor 105mm f/2.5” and Wikipedia adds, “The pre-print photo retouching was done by Graphic Art Service, based in Marietta, Georgia.” This would have been done in 1984, which I’m pretty sure predates photoshop. When they went back to look for her 17 years later, the photographer
        instantly felt he had found the right family based on the striking green of her brother’s eyes.

        When the photo was taken, she was in a Pakistani refuge camp. She had just lost both her parents in a Soviet helicopter attack on her home in Afghanistan. Her expression IS the thousand yard stare.

        • richelieu jr

          He actually found her again, after the US invasion.

          It is good to be skeptical, bit kneejerk disbelief is the curse of this generation. There is a difference between News and Scientology, or Fox News, for that matter. Even thogh they can all be wrong, it is a question of intention. One of the three tries to be honest.

      • Cat Daddy

        NO

    • Casabeca

      One of the most arresting and unforgettable images seen in my lifetime.

  • OT8squared

    From a piece on Lisa Marie Presly: “though she won’t discuss her history with Scientology or her rumored split from it, she will offer that the lyrics to the song “So Long” are “pretty self-explanatory”:

    This here is a city without lights
    Those are all the people without eyes
    Churches, they don’t have a soul
    Soup for sale without a bowl
    Religion so corrupt and running lives
    Farewell, fair weathered friends
    I can’t say I’ll miss you in the end”

    http://www.boston.com/ae/blogs/mediaremix/2014/01/lisa_marie_presley_talks_music.html?rss_id=Most+Popular

    • Troy MacGyver

      Wonder why they still list,Lisa Marie on their site as a great addition. Usually they take the disgruntaled name’s down quicker than a snitch turning states evidence. This song could be about many things;!. The eyes that have left her mother’s face due to too much surgery. “soup for sale without a bowl”,could mean her supposed nights underneath Michael Jackson and his nose falling off. Oh,I give up. There are some religious vomit in there but why hasn’t she been declared an SP? Too visible?

      • richelieu jr

        Mom is still too influential (ie, coughing enough of Elvis’ cash.)

  • Douglas D. Douglas

    John McGhee (ex from Ireland) has responded to Zabrina Collins/Shortt’s interview with Irish radio. He says she was… lying! Can you imagine?

    http://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/2014/01/19/statement-by-john-mcghee-former-scientologist-and-human-rights-campaigner/

    • Jo

      Thanks for the link Mr D.

    • Sarah James

      “They are handicapped because they are being punished for something they did wrong in a past life.” What a stupid cult.
      Thanks for sharing John McGhee’s response to Zabrina Collins lies.

    • Graham

      Thanks for the link DDD.

    • InterestedinCrazy

      Very factual powerful first hand account. I hope this gets picked up by the press.

    • InterestedinCrazy

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBm7GJqVzxg

      Flash raid with John and Pete.

    • Snippy_X

      Very nice interview. Thx, DDD.

    • Jo

      Love this quote from your link. Scientology is not your usual Church they have a covert ‘preying’ department called OSA. The Church that ‘Preys together stays together’

  • And I don’t rent cars!

    Jon Atack wrote on this blog today:

    “Training Routine 0 you stare. ‘No,’ you will be assured, ‘You confront.’
    Taxed on the difference between ‘confronting’ and ‘staring’ little of
    use is forthcoming. The difference, it seems, is too subtle for words.”

    Hubbard wrote in 1965:

    “It’s a tough universe. The social veneer makes it seem mild. But only
    the tigers survive — and even they have a hard time. We’ll survive
    because we are tough and are dedicated. When we do instruct somebody
    properly he becomes more and more tiger.” KSW – HCO POLICY LETTER OF 7 FEBRUARY 1965

    Jon Atack on Jan 18. 2014:

    “Among animals this locked-on eye contact means only one thing: you are prey and I am about to eat you. And you can watch as certain animals fall under the spell of this dominant ‘confronting.’”

    And Katy Perry sang:

    [Verse 1]

    I used to bite my tongue and hold my breath

    Scared to rock the boat and make a mess

    So I sat quietly, agreed politely

    I guess that I forgot I had a choice

    I let you push me past the breaking point

    I stood for nothing, so I fell for everything

    [Pre-Chorus]

    You held me down, but I got up

    Already brushing off the dust

    You hear my voice, your hear that sound

    Like thunder, gonna shake your ground

    You held me down, but I got up

    Get ready cause I’ve had enough

    I see it all, I see it now

    [Chorus]

    I got the eye of the tiger, the fighter, dancing through the fire

    Cause I am a champion and you’re gonna hear me ROAR

    Louder, louder than a lion

    Cause I am a champion and you’re gonna hear me ROAR

    Oh oh oh oh oh oh

    You’re gonna hear me roar

    http://youtu.be/CevxZvSJLk8?t=1s

    • And I don’t rent cars!

      And yes, we can ‘confront’ or ‘stare down’ and subdue the $cientology tiger.

      2014 is OURS!

    • Straight Diet of Kerbango

      Cars,

      So if I understand correctly, the Katy Perry song is a ringing endorsement of the wins gained from TR 0.

      • And I don’t rent cars!

        Sigh… no, no, no.

        There wasn’t a disguised agenda, personal opinion, or a “correct” way to interpret it as a whole.

        It was simply a late night, empty Bunker, experimentation with creating a collage, using the primitive and limiting medium of Disqus. It was meant to be a simple “think piece,” solely meant to provoke thought, individual interpretation, and maybe a useful insight. And maybe have a chuckle in the process!

        I know I certainly lost all sense of fun trying to assemble it through stoopid Disqus. You might have noticed that Disqus counterintuitively organizes text, embedded videos, and images and it is unforgiving. Once images are posted, I still haven’t been able to figure out how to remove them or reorganize their presentation sequence.. Anyway, although I deliberately did not want to suggest any specific interpretation of the little collage, Disqus’ system, especially when it uploads multiple images, may have created an unintended sequence that suggested an interpretation for the reader/watcher that I hadn’t considered.

        All that to say, if you can hear it above my whining and moaning, that if I still had my studio with the proper hardware and software, I could have used the same ideas or elements and posted my own shoop, audio file, or video or a combination of those. I would not have attempted to use Disqus as my canvas to create a collage.

        Anyway, understood or misunderstood, clearly intentioned or intentions clear as mud, I still hope you enjoyed looking and thinking about the post. Thank you for making the attempt. That late at night, I really didn’t think there would be anyone left in the Bunker as no one had posted for 2 or 3 hours by the time I got to the “comments section” and had assembled “bits and pieces.”

        Hope you are doing OK. Would love to hear about your research project and if you are now meeting your deadlines.

        I any case, I’ll won’t be a tease nor a beggar be. I understand you probably can’t nor want to discuss it here. In any case, I’m having a great deal of fun imagining what it is about and if it has anything to do with group dynamnics in online communities, scientology’s “war” against psychiatry and/or drugs, or nothing even remotely related to the above.

        However, if it’s about deconstructing Battlefield Earth from the perspective of psychiatry or mental health, then I… Oh gosh, let’s face it. I’d make it a priority and buy the book and the movie, then watch it as often as you have, would read all the critics’ reviews, and insist you send me copy or I would purchase whatever you published!

        Wishing you success with it but most of all, I hope you are very happy with how well it is going or with the final product.

        • Straight Diet of Kerbango

          Oh Cars,

          I enjoyed your Think Piece 😉

          I was just joking with my very concrete interpretation. TR 0 leads to predatory stare (eye of the tiger) which Katy is singing about being an awesome thing.

          Study is going pretty well. I wish I could talk about it in more detail, but let’s just say it involves one of Scientology’s least favorite forms of treatment.

          You have not watched Battlefield Earth yet?

          • And I don’t rent cars!

            Glad to hear your research involves the “unmentionables” (NOT underwear). Moar, moar… It’s needed IMHO. Your way is the best way. May 2014 be yours.

            No time for BE – yet. Another snowstorm, heard the snowplows… shovel, shovel, break ice, more ice… how nice… as I lay here pretending I’m asleep. Or pretending I’m awake. Or sleeping that I’m awake. Or sle…..

      • valshifter

        no wonder she does have the scientology stare, I met her in Hollywood blvd one time she came really close to me and her ayes I never forget she does have the stare, does anybody know what courses did she took and how far did she go into the cult.?

        • And I don’t rent cars!

          You mean to cult of Hollywood? Probably from bad contacts and irritating false eyelashes, I’d say. (or from keeping on eye out on John M.)

  • Freethinker

    OK now I’m angry…REAL angry! Clam spam right here in my Chi-town:

    chicago.craigslist.org/search/cls?zoomToPosting=&catAbb=cls&query=3011+N.+Lincoln+Ave&excats=

    Any flag help will be deeply appreciated!

  • Preparatory to TR-0 was OT-TR0 with eyes closed sitting across from another person until you “reached a major stable win.” Which was… whatever you felt confident about, basically. That was a meditative hypnotic preparation routine. Then there was “Hard TRs” in the 80s which was TR-0 for I believe a couple of hours without blinking of flinching (or pissing yourself, haha). All about conditioning you to be in a hypnotic state so you’d spend your life in $cientology giving Hubbard all your money to achieve a bunch of lying bullshit “states” that simply didn’t exist – but if you’re hypnotized you think they do. The continuous con of L. Ron.

  • Peter

    When I was teaching communication courses in scio, the “thousand yard stare” would have brought an instant “flunk, staring”. The stated purpose was learning to “be there COMFORTABLY and be able to handle whatever was occurring with the pc, student or anyone else in life, up to and including a psychotic break. The TYS is NOT comfortable! It’s also definitely not “being there” as it’s intrusive for the person having it inflicted upon them.

    As for the meanings of words, that can get more than a bit “iffy”, IMHO. If one’s child has a drug problem, for instance, one had better be prepared to “confront” the problem. It does not necessarily mean one has to become “confrontational” which usually exacerbates the problem. Those two words are quite different and the English language is not a particularly accurate one, with words often having many meanings.

    • DodoTheLaser

      Valid points, Peter.
      Ironically, good auditor with natural TR’s is the key part in the whole appeal re: the Bridge to nowhere.
      You know?

      • Peter

        Agreed, Dodo. The disassembling of scio has been quite carefully done. When it crashes, I expect he will have many places where major funds have been stashed so that he may live in friendless and loveless luxury for the rest of his life, trusting no one, afraid of everyone. A true “mad caesar”. Can you think of a worse Hell? He’ll take down as many with him as he can.

        • DodoTheLaser

          Roger that.

        • DodoTheLaser

          Roger that.

  • InterestedinCrazy

    Sunday Independent..one of the two main national papers on Sunday.

    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/inside-the-bizarre-world-of-scientology-29929339.html

    Kind of meh story of a poorly prepared journalist being sent into the Dub Org. She gets a personality test.

    Kind of a non-story, really.

    —-they also do a mealy-mouthed summary of Scientology in the Lifestyle section…putting it there makes its own statement.

    http://www.independent.ie/lifestyle/what-is-scientology-29929350.html

    (photo)Author L. Ron Hubbard in 1982

    19 JANUARY 2014

    The Church of Scientology defines itself as “a spiritual philosophy that offers a precise path which can lead to an understanding of one’s true spiritual nature”.

    * It was founded by L Ron Hubbard in 1953.

    * LRH once said that he likes “to help others” and counts it as his “greatest pleasure in life to see a person free himself of the shadows which darken his days”.

    * The group charge for some of their services, but describe the fees as “inexpensive”.

    * To date, there are 10,000 Scientology organisations with groups in 189 different countries.

    * They offer courses to help people in the areas of motivation, financial stress and self-confidence.

    * Some of Hollywood’s biggest movie stars are involved in the Church of Scientology, including Tom Cruise. It is alleged that his marriage to Katie Holmes ended over his dedication to the religion.

    * Other famous members include John Travolta and Elisabeth Moss.

    Irish Independent

    (uses disquis)

  • InterestedinCrazy

    Bit of morning humour from the geniuses at Possibly Helpful Advice
    http://possiblyhelpfuladvice.com/?p=16179

  • kmadelyn

    Are cats natural scilons? My rescued stray–& most cats, not matter how domestic–regard a fixed stare into their eyes as a Confrontational, aggressive overture that lead to flight, or attack with unsheathed claws & open fangs. Regular eye-blinking indicates to them a friendly approach, & tends to be a much safer move (ok, she slashed my browbone; we were cool after that. It was early days).

    But have yet to locate an LRH TR relating to the way my rescued Momcat faces dogs: she directs an unblinking stare that fixes just PAST their direct gaze. The poor things seem hypnotized as a result, & have to be dragged away by their people. Perhaps she’s a Squirrel? Still, IMHO her young son has amazing expertise at relaying Tone 40 tone commands… 😉

  • ConcepcionimmaculadaPantalones

    I learned the “thousand yard stare” thing during an extremely abusive romantic relationship. It was the only thing I could come up with that ensured I wouldn’t have a “look on my face” that he did not like or found some fault with, and withdrawing into the safe space of my mind was going *somewhere*, anywhere but where I actually was physically and unable to leave.

    I just can’t imagine connecting the stare with euphoria. Just can’t. Falling into the void and letting the only thing someone could see in my eyes be a sort of emptiness because any hint of emotion could result in continued efforts at physically harming me was simply a survival tool. Disassociation probably shouldn’t come so easily, but it did.

    LRH told tall tales and came up with ‘Sciencer stuff’ not unlike lots of other quacks, but at some point he seems like what he was really seeking was for people to like him and tell him how wonderful and smart he was. The recreational substances probably didn’t help at all though. Strange how there can be someone who is mostly about an idea, not entirely bad in and of itself, until another person comes along and pushes it off the cliff into a direction that is “very most awful and terrible bad”. Not in the Thelma and Louise sense, where sailing off the cliff is something that is agreed upon together, more like taking your wheelchair bound elderly relative as far as they can be wheeled up a steep incline and then giving them a firm push so they roll down and sail past the lookout point off the edge into a rocky ravine that can’t be accessed by emergency personnel on foot and the nearest rescue helicopter crew is hours and hours away.