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FEAR: Jon Atack on Scientology’s Essential Ingredient

AngryMan2Jon Atack is the author of A Piece of Blue Sky, one of the very best books on L. Ron Hubbard and Scientology. He has a new edition of the book for sale, and on Saturdays he’s helping us sift through the legends, myths, and contested facts about Scientology that tend to get hashed and rehashed in books, articles, and especially on the Internet.

Jon, we’ve seen some amazing bravery on the part of people speaking out about the abuses in Scientology. Just yesterday, Jenna Miscavige Hill’s response to Barbara Walters really took guts, and we’ve seen many other examples of people like Lori Hodgson and Monique Rathbun daring to speak out or take on the church in litigation. But you know as well as we do that the vast majority of people who leave Scientology with similar experiences never speak out about them. We’ve talked to people who were shockingly mistreated, but years later they still can’t talk about it publicly. You said you had something to tell us that might help explain that situation.

JON: Some years ago, I came to know a former British Army torturer very well. After his time in the army, he had overcome heroin addiction, spent years in the Sea Org and to all and sundry seemed to be a cheerful, outgoing man. After knowing him for years, I was shocked when he eventually told me he had tortured people. He wept and held his head in his hands as he spoke. He had killed people in battle, but felt no compunction about that — they would have killed him, given the chance — but to inflict pain on a helpless victim had changed something inside him that no amount of auditing had ever got near.

I was reminded of this old friend, while talking to a former long-term Sea Org member. When I left, I felt perfectly able to take on the might of the Organization, and I found it hard to understand how reluctant others were. Surely, we were OTs, who would live forever, and we were obligated to protect the Road to Total Freedom? A few months before I left, I met violinist Malcolm Watson at a charity fete in East Grinstead. He was no longer the exuberant man I’d known just a couple of years before in the Academy Levels course room at Saint Hill. He told me that his brother, Ivan, the Commanding Officer of the Publications Organization in Copenhagen, had been declared Suppressive, and that the declaration could not be more wrong. Ivan had dedicated himself to Scientology, thoroughly and utterly. I asked what Malcolm was going to do to right this wrong, and was told, “Nothing.” Malcolm was on OT VII, and he knew that if he complained, he would be routed off.

THE BUNKER: Let us quickly help out the folks not conversant in Scientologese: A member of the church had spent years getting to the upper “Operating Thetan” levels of spiritual training — which promise superhuman abilities through eternity — and his brother, who held a high office in the church, had been “declared” a “suppressive person,” which is Scientology’s equivalent of excommunication. An “SP” is deemed an evil, damaging person and all others have to “disconnect” from him if they want to remain members of the church in good standing. In this case, Malcolm, even though he supposedly had superhuman abilities as an OT VII, knew he risked being declared and ejected if he didn’t toe the line about his brother being kicked out.

JON: Just so. This paradox baffled me during the ensuing weeks. I thought about the Hubbard maxim that if ethics aren’t “in” then the Tech will not work. Malcolm had a withhold, which would prevent him from benefiting from OT VII. But his fear was far more significant to me. Whenever I disagreed with anything in Scientology, I made noises. Why did he feel that he couldn’t? Soon afterwards, I would hear a Scientologist talk about his fear of “losing his immortality,” as if failure to follow the directions of founder L. Ron Hubbard would cause spiritual immolation. It made no sense to me, but then, I always saw the Bridge as a path towards enlightenment, and I never believed that anyone else could make the last steps for me. If I was immortal, then nothing could destroy me. If the Buddha was right, it didn’t matter if the teaching is lost, because the teaching reflects the truth and the truth is always available. And, despite Hubbard’s ostentatious claim to have made the “only breakthrough” in the field of the mind and spirit for 50,000 years, I still believed in the dhamma of Buddhism and the necessity for compassion in all things. I never felt that there was any choice but to stand up for the truth. If ethics isn’t in then the Tech won’t work, so anyone who avoided or ignored the truth wouldn’t benefit from Scientology anyway.

THE BUNKER: Just to note that by “ethics,” Scientologists really mean obedience, and if a Scientologist is not obediently following the rules, then the benefits of the “technology” will be lost to him. So because Watson had a secret doubt (a “withhold”) he would not benefit from being OT VII, despite the years and money he had spent getting there.

JON: Why was Malcolm Watson so afraid? I came to realize that most of the Scientologists I knew suffered from the same fear. This was certainly not The Way to Happiness. Over the years, I’ve spoken to over a thousand Scientologists and former Scientologists. I’ve been in touch with the highest ranking members from the first Foundation, in 1950, to recent defectors, and their stories are eerily consistent. Fear is a common thread. When I became the first ex-member in the UK to give out his name and address to anyone who was concerned about Scientology, I soon realized that very few people dared to involve themselves in criticism of the cult. Very few people felt able to make a stand, because, as I can attest, the harassment was intense and unremitting. The Net allowed for anonymity, and as the ranks swelled, the level of courage rose, and, now, hundreds of ex-members speak out.

ScientologyMythbustingHarassment, including the feared revelation of confidential information, however, was not the essential ingredient of the unwillingness to protest. My involvement with Scientology differed from that of most people in one significant way: I was never on staff. I ran the renovation of the Manchester Org for a month, and I was asked to start a Celebrity Centre, but, to my great good luck, the Guardian’s Office always blocked my recruitment (the “confidential” life histories they asked me to write have long since been published by the cult, for anyone who wants to know how I spent my time up to the age of 19, when I joined). The truth is that I was never humiliated. On the two occasions when a Sea Org member shouted at me, I shouted right back. And I have a loud voice. I only witnessed one Severe Reality Adjustment, when I employed a former Commanding Officer of St Hill and he bawled out my then wife. I was so surprised that it took me three days to sit him down and tell him that what he had done was plain wrong. I asked him to show me where it was written that invective and abuse should be screamed at someone from two inches away. (He had accused my wife of being Suppressive and of secretly wanting to destroy me, because she had not sold any of my paintings that week — in those days, that’s how I made a living.) To my surprise, he burst into tears and admitted that there was no written policy on Severe Reality Adjustments. I shuddered at the new expression. Severe Reality Adjustment. Ugh.

I asked my friend why he had concocted this soul-destroying method. He shook his head and told me that it was what Hubbard did to his aides. That he had learned it at first hand, because Hubbard had subjected him to it, frequently, aboard ship. I think I really left Scientology at that moment — went exterior, so to speak — although it took me a few months to realize it. I cannot and will not accept that any enlightened being would use rage as a weapon to subject others to their will. To me, rage is indicative of emotional problems. Exactly the sort of problems that I expected Scientology to heal, in its early stages. Later, I spoke to many people who had been humiliated by Hubbard. I also learned about his bouts of dark depression and his insecurity. And, of course, his rampant drug and alcohol abuse. Up to that point, my wife had sold about 200 paintings. After her SRA, she never sold another.

Understanding this humiliation is a key to recovery. Scientology promises a perfect world. But, as Hubbard said, “We build a world from broken pieces.” He should have honestly added, “But first we have to break them,” because that is exactly what staff membership does. Looking at the victims and the perpetrators of torture, it became apparent to me that humiliation, the loss of dignity and self-respect, is the most harmful violation possible. To be reduced to the impotence of infancy, bullied and forced to live in overcrowded, unsanitary conditions, on an inadequate diet, bolstered by massive overdoses of vitamins, this is the reality of the Road to Total Freedom. Self-determinism, so it seems, can only be achieved by giving up free thought and doing exactly what you are told to do. One of the many paradoxes that litter Scientology’s “two terminal universe.”

I used to wonder why publicizing the lies and distortions of Scientology, the catastrophe that it rained down upon its own members and critics at large, was such a lonely pursuit. In the course of twelve years, ex-members contributed a total of less than $40 to my funding. Most of those who offered to help were actually reporting back to GOSA (the Guardian’s Office of Special Affairs). It is ironic, and even tragic to say that for 16 years I depended first upon my business partner and then my family. I am now convinced that this apathy was a consequence of humiliation and the terror of the abuser that this invokes. The hateful sniping of ex-members is often the first stage beyond that apathy, where tearing others down — whether the cult or those who try to help — becomes almost obsessive. It is vital to regain your dignity, if you have been tortured, but the victim often strikes out at anything that moves, like any wounded animal. It is essential to realize that however much you contributed to your own demise, it was never your intention to be reduced to slavery. Recovering the notion of an innocent victim is important. And here is a clue to recovery: you will have to forgive yourself for your weakness and become strong enough to help others. Without compassion, there is nothing. Or, as Hubbard so aptly put it, “A being is only as valuable as he can serve others.”

THE BUNKER: Thank you, Jon.

 
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Witness Lists for the Garcia Evidentiary Hearing

While we wait for further developments in Monique Rathbun’s lawsuit in Texas, we have an update in Luis Garcia’s federal fraud lawsuit against Scientology in Tampa, Florida. On October 3, there will be an evidentiary hearing, a mini-trial to present evidence in the church’s motion to disqualify Luis and Rocio Garcia’s attorneys, Ted Babbitt and Ronald Weil. The church tried a similar strategy in Texas, and it didn’t seem to go very well. But in Tampa, the church’s case against Babbitt and Weil is based on their work with an attorney named Robert Johnson, who had previously worked for Scientology. The church is saying that’s a violation of rules, and its major piece of evidence was a declaration submitted by Brian Culkin, a former church member.

This week, each side provided lists of witnesses they may call during the hearing, as well as lists of documents they may use as exhibits. We have both filings. And here’s the list of names that were submitted.

For the Plaintiffs, Luis and Rocio Garcia…

Ted Babbitt (Garcia attorney)
Tucker Byrd (attorney)
Brian Culkin (former church member)
Luis Garcia (Plaintiff)
Rocio Garcia (Plaintiff)
Robert Johnson (attorney)
Marty Rathbun (Former Scientology official)
Mike Rinder (Former Scientology spokesman)
Ronald Weil (Garcia attorney)
Richard Zabak (attorney)

 
For the Defendants, (five Scientology corporate entities)

Allan Cartwright (legal director, Church of Scientology International)
Brian Culkin
Judy Fontana (Flag legal department)
Sarah Heller (legal director, Flag Service Organization)
Robert Johnson
Mike Rinder
Glen Stilo (Flag legal department)

Additional for Defendants

Ted Babbitt
Tucker Byrd
Luis Garcia
Rocio Garcia
Brian Leung (attorney)
Peter Mansell (head of OSA, Flag)
Ronald Weil

That’s a long list for both sides, and hard to believe that everyone would be called on October 3. But it should be a pretty interesting day in court.

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on September 21, 2013 at 07:00

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  • Sherbet

    Sawx are losing, computer battery is almost dead, and I’ve got an Actual Book to read. Ciao for niao.

    • Captain Howdy

      Me too. Goodnight.

      • Jo

        Night, sweet dreams

      • marti

        Captain,
        That was your avatar when I came onto this site around May 2012.
        I just kept looking at it, reading your commits. I didn’t quite know what to think.
        But was in awe.
        Then there was BTN.
        You two didn’t scare me off. I just kept coming back day after day…lurking.
        Oh, of course there was Tony.
        And as Elaine Stritch sings: “I’m still here.”

        We’re all here. A very good thing.
        <3
        Edit, I love you all!

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          HEHE.
          NO FEAR here!
          huggs Marti!

          • marti

            Back at ya.

        • Zer0

          Lurv me Caps avatar, has always been my fave

          • Bury_The_Nuts

            Ditto!

        • Captain Howdy

          Thanks for the kind words.

          And I love you to comrade..sorry, I just got done watching “The Badder Meinhoff Complex”..lol

  • SandiCorrena
    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      He even got a dig at Barbara Walters in there too.

      • SandiCorrena

        IKR and it was delish!!!!!

    • stillgrace

      “… WorldVision has nothing to do with Scientology, Barbara Walters’s new approved cult.”

      Barbara’s Boo Boo is Everywhere!! Ha Ha Ha!

      • Sydjazz

        Hehe she has been outed

  • Sandy

    Jeez,

    http://radar.weather.gov/Conus/southeast_loop.php

    u guys on the East Coast have weather like crazy !!!!!!

  • Mary_McConnell

    Brilliant response by Jon Atack!! A must read for everyone in, lurking and out.

    Thanks, Tony, for the Garcia update. The Garcia docs are very interesting.. especially the church’s exhibits… Those are a story in themselves..

  • media_lush

    the super-power con in the Flubtard’s own words [purloined from SPs ‘r’ US]

    • media_lush

      this is easier to read ….

      • Sydjazz

        Woah immortality?

        • media_lush

          ….. and implied time travel

  • Sibs

    Followed up yesterday’s post last night reading the Radar article and all the Bunkerites’ awesome comments (you guys had some great responses to the trolls on that board). Another eloquent article today with Jon Atack… finding that I look forward to his and Claire Headley’s weekly things. And now I find myself doing another extra check of the Bunker in the nighttime just in case I miss the Apocalypse (like I missed the announcement that Super Power was indefinitely postponed). When I get a job the first thing I’m gonna do is donate to the Bunker.

    And this is all before I start catching up on today’s comments…

    • Missionary Kid

      Good luck. The comments are getting longer in both number and length.

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      Welcome to you Sibs!

      • q-bird

        whoa – you’re up late Bury!!

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          Yah!

          How r u?

          • q-bird

            So should I start from oldest – or hit best ? These #’s are so grand that I have surrendered to the fact that I will never be able to “catch up”… this is the usual time for Peace theta to show up.

          • q-bird

            fine as kind
            testing something here

            edit: okay I got it!

    • BananaSplits8

      Welcome Sibs. You can subscribe to the e-mail list on the home page to get notifications when Tony posts a new entry.

      • Sibs

        But, but that’s so easy and obvious!

        (just subscribed)

    • i-Betty

      Hello, Sibs 🙂 If I haven’t already welcomed you, please come in, pull up a comfy chair, pour yourself a coffee and pass me the butter for my toast 🙂

      • Sibs

        (passes the butter)

        I have actually posted before, I’m just a very quiet person. Usually.

    • Rita Gregory

      Welcome Sibs!

  • jeff

    So, I am about 3/4ths of the way through “A Piece of Blue Sky”. In the previous few weeks I’ve read: Jefferson Hawkins “Counterfeit Dreams”, Janet Reitman’s “Inside Scientology”, Wright’s “Going Clear” and Russell Miller’s “Bare-Faced Messiah”. I ordered Marc Headley’s book and now have ordered “The Complex” by John Duignan (am on #7 of 16 of his multi-part video interview. I just can’t seem to stop. Fascinating!

    • Poison Ivy

      Welcome to the rabbit hole…it reaches far and wide, it reaches deep.

      • jeff

        Thanks, but I eventually want to make it out of the warren. Coming here to the fringes has been so eye-opening.

    • ThetaBara

      There is also Jenna Miscavige Hill’s book, Beyond Belief

      • jeff

        I will get there eventually…the thing about it all is I was always aware that Scientology was BS, but it’s fascinating how they instill it into people and downright criminal what they do to them. It’s exquisitely sad. I hadn’t realized what an outright scam it actually is. I still can’t believe they are operating as a religion and that the IRS caved. I know the headline here at the Bunker a couple of days ago was that this was Scientology’s Armageddon, but it seems that they always manage to come back.

  • Sydjazz

    http://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=related&v=kYdpNpPDWMc maybe barbara walters heard this tape too?

  • skippress

    Jon, just finished reading Original Tao, thanks so much for the recommendation. I was a Christian and still am; I fell for the “Modern Science of Mental Health” bit (Dianetics) and also Hubbard’s lies about Christian compatibility with that “Scientology and the Bible” book that was around in the 70s.

    You’re exactly right about the humilitation, Jon. I never let it intimidate me much, and I was in the Sea Org four years at Celebrity Centre Los Angeles. When people arrived from “Flag” on missions in those days, they were usually total turds who thought they could scream anything at anyone. Complete Nazi “valence” with all the gleeful “righteousness” of Hitler’s SS. Greg Wilhere, a former college quarterback, in Sea Org office uniform walked into my area on a mission, asking who was the main letter registrate (me) and then screamed in my face from an inch away for a couple of minutes. If it wasn’t so amusing I would have knocked him out. Instead, I pointed at the other guy, who had an inheritance and basically fucked off. “There’s the guy who doesn’t write many letters,” I told Wilhere. “Not me.” It was nice seeing that puffed-up asshole (Wilhere) embarrassed.

    Then I found out from Commodore’s Messengers (young girls like Janis Gillham and Terry Gillham, Yvonne Jentzsch’s daughters) how Hubbard trained people to do that, just like him. Because of the great lure of “there’s super knowledge on those OT levels” and my endless curiosity, I put up with that crap for a long time, until my wife was freaked out by $cientology and met Jon and read the earlier version of his excellent book. When I read it, the book put together some missing info for me, and I left the evil cult and never looked back. I threatened two Sea Org “officers” who showed up in uniform at my house one night unannounced (after patiently listening to their lies) and I never heard from them. My great regret in $cientology is that I wasn’t on the Apollo with the opportunity to “overboard” Hubbard and drown his evil ass. Someone should have.

    If anyone thinks David Miscavige’s screaming and violence in an anomaly, they aren’t paying attention. He worked directly with Hubbard and couriered money for him, as well as working on those stupid “training films” that were so horrible they never saw the light of day (directed by Hubbard, natch). Miscavige acts exactly like Hubbard did, but he’s a wee man, not tall and fat with bad teeth like Hubbard, so that’s why Miscavige needs goons around him when he pummels people. But he’ll get his nasty end, just like his hero did.

    • DodoTheLaser

      Thanks, Skip! I totally agree. All the talk about ARC is such a lie and an utter bullshit!
      Most OT execs I’ve worked with would scream and even use profanities on a regular basis.
      Unless the stats are up, that is.

      “My great regret in $cientology is that I wasn’t on the Apollo with the
      opportunity to “overboard” Hubbard and drown his evil ass. Someone
      should have.”

      Amen.

      • Seconded!
        Also, this word “love,” they use it a lot, but I do not think it means what they think it means.

        • DodoTheLaser

          That’s why they usually use the word “affinity” instead.

          “Love” is too steep of a gradient.

          • ThetaBara

            And “compassion” doesn’t even exist.

      • ThetaBara

        My great regret in scientology is that I didn’t start publicly protesting it sooner!

    • Robert Eckert

      Who’s giving Skip a down? By accident, I hope?

      • DodoTheLaser

        Perhaps it’s someone who still believes that Hubbard was a kind and gentle soul and a Big Thetan.

        • Jimmy Threetimes

          Excuse me sirs, is this bunker still open?

          • DodoTheLaser

            It depends. What’s the sikrit word?

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              Antienturbulationary

            • Robert Eckert

              OOOOH, so close! It was “antienturbulationariness”

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              Ahhhh shit. I think I may be at the wrong bunker

            • Robert Eckert

              In Soviet Russia, the bunker is at the wrong you!

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              hahah. indeed

            • DodoTheLaser

              What’s the second and final sikrit word?

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              Prepostulationism

            • DodoTheLaser

              Congrats! You are in.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              Phew… for a second after I answered, I thought it may have actually been “Prepostulationist”

              Its hard to keep track of made up words that are based on made up words

            • DodoTheLaser

              ROFL!

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              Well, postulate is a word.. but Hubbard bastardized it way beyond what it actually means.

            • DodoTheLaser

              Postulate is a word indeed. Basically, Hubbard used the concept of “envisioning”, plus some magical thinking stuff and wrapped it all up under “postulate”. He liked to redefine words like that.

          • ThetaBara

            Of course it is! (Sorry, I’m not a “sir” – but, of COURSE it is!)
            We Never Sleep!

    • media_lush

      I’ve watched loads of videos over the years and wondered if there’s one out there of a Sea Org drone or someone from OSA shouting or dressing down a regular member?

      • DodoTheLaser

        Unfortunately there none, to my knowledge.
        Although, I’ve read on ESMB that Hubbard was taking pictures or may be even video recording some of the over boardings on Apollo ship. If true, hopefully someone saved copies somewhere…

      • Captain Howdy

        I doubt it, but there is a recreation of such an incident in the excellent German film “Until Nothing Remains”. A Sea Org member shows up at the org and walks into the directors office and immediately starting screaming at the staff members like a lunatic.

        • Jimmy Threetimes

          Is there a subtitled version of that?

          • DodoTheLaser

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFRt5rPYoBc

            Just click CC on the YT bar, right bottom corner.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              Yea, I’m actually going to watch this tonight. I cant believe IMDB says 8.7 million people watched this live in Germany. Made-for-TV movies don’t really get that kind of play in America

            • media_lush

              I don’t have time…. but would you be so kind as to post the approx minute mark when that bit happens.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              After minute 55 and another around the 1:00hr mark

        • DodoTheLaser

          Thanks for reminding us of this movie, Captain.

    • 0tessa

      Some Sea Org’ers were even proud of themselves or thought they were a bit OT because they could ‘have’ this kind of abusive behaviour! They did/do not realise they live in a distorted reality.

      • DodoTheLaser

        I think it takes a special kind of ignorant bully asshole to be proud of that.
        I’ve held many executive positions both in mission and Class V Org, yet I was always
        friendly with my juniors. It always worked best. And I’m not even Clear or OT.

  • There’s a bunch of doctors who definitely have David “he is NOT insane!” Miscavige’s number:

    “.. hubris syndrome (HS), an acquired personality disorder which, unchecked, can result in disastrous decision-making, a conference at the Judge Business School at the University of Cambridge was told last week.”

    http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/power-corrupts-but-it-also-plays-with-your-mind-lloyd-george-chamberlain-and-thatcher-all-suffered-from-hubris-syndrome-8831839.html

  • DodoTheLaser

    Not sure if it was posted here earlier today:

    From Ex scientologists from Buffalo Kim and Mitch Brillon who exposed some scientology hypocrisies yesterday
    and made a video about it. Scientologists got so pissed, they even called the cops. Oh well.

    Police Called During a Human Rights Conference by The Church of..
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pe3J31_zBXc

    • Jimmy Threetimes

      Good on them for raising hell at that meeting. I just wish she would fix the intro to the video.. Snowden was not CIA. He worked for the NSA as a contractor.

      • DodoTheLaser

        Yeah, I’ve noticed that error too. But her point stays valid.

        • Jimmy Threetimes

          It does, indeed. I’m going to watch this film about some German dude who gets involved with some kooky kult, and then I’m going to hit the sack. Thanks for allowing me entrance to the Bunker, Mr. Laser. Good night.

          • DodoTheLaser

            🙂 🙂 Good night.

    • Graham

      Thanks for posting this Dodo. Illustrates how this corrosive bunch of liars needs to be confronted at every turn. Heartening the see that the attendance was so low. Yet again we see that $cientology ‘confront & shatter’ communication tech actually consists of just shouting to try to drown out the opposition. And calling the cops. How pathetic was that!?

      • DodoTheLaser

        “Illustrates how this corrosive bunch of liars needs to be confronted at every turn.”

        Indeed.

    • i-Betty

      Good for them! Love that right from the start the Sciloons were experiencing technical difficulties. How ironic is that?

    • Seannie5

      I don’t understand – she simply asked a question, how does that necessitate police involvement? CRAZY! Good for them for doing it, I am smiling at the image of the Sci’s mouths dropping open haha!
      By the way – why were 2 Scientology planes allowed to land?

  • Nevermore

    Good morning Bunker! Excuse me while I have my first cuppa of the day. And some drugs. Yum. Breakfast of champions!

  • Nevermore

    And a quick PSA from the Day Shift…

    • i-Betty

      Beautiful 🙂

      Morning, Never! It’s raining and cold so I can’t decide between a lovely big English breakfast at the cafe up the road (which would mean getting dressed), or boring old cereal at home (but at least I could stay in my PJs).

      • Graham

        Nice and sunny in this part of England. Out soon to watch vintage cars doing a hill climb, with a fly-past of Spitfires and a Wellington bomber this afternoon.

        Regarding the London number on the poster, if someone rings it what happens? Do they get through to someone in UK or transferred to USA? Sorry if this has already been answered but (unsurprisingly!) I’ve not been able to keep up with everything.

        • i-Betty

          Graham, what a brilliant day you’ve got planned! Did you sent your rain up here?

          Funnily enough, I don’t know – and this is the first time the question has been asked. I will call it now and see whether it’s manned 7 days a week.

          • i-Betty

            Hmm. I wonder where Glibby found the two original numbers, and whether someone had got to them before her and either changed them or bought them up.

            Please could nobody else call the London number: it’s a private home with no connection to cults or scientology. I will dig.

            And, in the meantime, if anyone knows the correct number to call, please let us know. Thanks 🙂

            • Graham

              Good job you checked. In a former job we had to give out lots of help-line numbers and I always used to check them regularly as things were always changing- charities running out of funding etc etc.

            • i-Betty

              Thanks so much for making me think to check, Graham 🙂

              I’m still digging for current, applicable numbers. I’ve left a few messages and am waiting for returned calls. I also go side-tracked looked at our latest census figures for an up-to-date number of registered scientologists in the UK (in 2001 there were 1,781), but I can’t figure out how to look at the figures, which might be because I reformatted my hard drive last week and still need to download some outstanding bits of software.

            • i-Betty

              From Wikipedia’s section on cult-monitoring groups in the UK:

              INFORM, a Government-sponsored service which answers queries on new religious movements, has said that it receives more calls about Scientology than about any other sect.[22] A spokesman said, “We’re aware of several cases in which people have spent a lot more than they intended to on Scientology courses.”[22]

              Ian Howarth, General Secretary of the Cult Information Centre described Scientology in a 1996 interview as, “a group about which we are deeply concerned, and always have been.”[145]

              It’s Ian Howarth’s CIC which I’m trying to get in touch with. After 10 mins of research – not a lot, I know – they seem to be legit (particularly as they Fair Gamed, Ian Howarth, according to Wikipedia), and they’re certainly still operational.

            • Nevermore

              There’s a number on their website – 0845 4500 868. Ian Howarth isn’t listed as gen Sec tho.

            • i-Betty

              When you call that number you get a answerphone message which gives out Ian Howarth’s mobile phone number. I’ve left messages on both. I’ll keep you posted 🙂

            • i-Betty

              My main fear is that one of the ‘known’ cult awareness groups in the UK may have been quietly taken over by CoS like what happened with the Cult Awareness Network in the States. That’s why I’m hoping one of our commentators will be able to point us towards a trusted service.

      • Nevermore

        Sunny and warmish here in Glasgow as we – I’d go with the cereal, personally! Shame cafes don’t deliver – I’d pay someone to bring me a full English!

  • Gregory Nietsky

    http://aidathomas.wordpress.com/2012/08/02/stories-of-disconnection-in-scientology/

    This is Ryan Hogarth

    This guy – a Corporate Scientologist named Ryan Hogarth –
    who is now working for himself as ‘a social speaker’ – x-Sea Org
    member, x-President of the Church of Scientology in South Africa – is
    responsible for having – disconnected my grandson at the age of 18
    months – from his biological father.

    And as a bonus – Ryan also gave the biological father
    ‘permission’ not to pay maintenance – to see to the upkeep and education
    of his child, which is a criminal offence in our country. This boy so
    ‘disconnected’ has grown up without knowing his own father.

    You can imagine what kinds of turmoil and real hardships this brought to the life of this child.

    He claims to be a Communication Speaker & Social Media
    Catalyst, whatever that means. He, as a high exec of the Church of
    Scientology South Africa is responsible for breaking many families.

    In his business blog he also claims to be an expert in
    communication and his motto is: “Please, Make the Mistake of
    Communicating”. He glorifies himself as the “best” and “most interesting
    speaker” of the year, and ” a fast thinker that knows how to capture
    an audience he definitely has the gift of oratory”.

    He posted in one of his articles: “Be there. Communicate! After all, this is what makes life”. Ryan Hogarth, why don’t you practice what you preach?

    • Gregory Nietsky

      Oratory – i immediately saw ornery

      • i-Betty

        Hur hur 😛

    • i-Betty

      “Hate the Sin, Love the Sinner” Mahatma Gandhi

      From Aida’s blog.

      • Gregory Nietsky

        The link is rather heart wrenching i just wanted to call this clown out for a smackdown in particular and hopefully draw some enquiry into who he really is. all hear say of course.

        • i-Betty

          Am I being blind? I can’t find a mention of Ryan Hogarth on Aida’s site. I’ve started reading all the stories of disconnection, though 🙁

          • Gregory Nietsky

            Toward the bottom this is cut and paste from there

            • i-Betty

              You’re a star; I’ll look again. x

      • Nevermore

        Yeah, that’s supposed to be a Catholic thing as well. Personally, I’m quite happy hating sinners who embrace certain sins so wholeheartedly that they come to embody said sins. I’m sure the Goddess will let me know if she doesn’t approve.

    • Nevermore

      Wow, it’s not often you see a real live piece of shite walking around like that! Tho $ciloonery does seem to have more than its fair share.

      • i-Betty

        He glorifies himself as the “best” and “most interesting speaker” of the year, and ”a fast thinker that knows how to capture an audience he definitely has the gift of oratory”

        What is it with almost every scientologists’ over-inflated self-agrrandisement?!

        • Nevermore

          They’re all Big Beings compared to us wogs – that’s bound to inflate even the tiniest dick’s ego!

          • Mooser

            You haven’t noticed that Scientology promises shortcuts to some of the hardest-to-attain-human conditions; power over others due to their respect and admiration for us, self-control, self-empowerment, peace of mind, enhanced intellectual and mental powers, all that? All of the things which each person has to struggle with through their lifetime, they have a short-cut for. And how far they can stretch out that shortcut, and how much they ask people to pay for it, clearly demonstrates how desperately people want improvement in those areas.
            And how much they despair of finding it on their own.

      • Gregory Nietsky

        He’s 2nd gen ronbot going back to the source of all evil calling them out is required there is a you tube puke fest done as “journalism” , so soft its like a sonnet to LRH

      • Gregory Nietsky

        This is “hard hitting journalisim not” …. meet this turd

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAAeDl7VZ2M

        • i-Betty

          “Puff piece. Might as well have been an ad for Scientology.”

          You’re not wrong, Anon8109!

          • Gregory Nietsky

            Filming it in the hubbard museum here put it over the top …

            • i-Betty

              Ooh, that’s interesting, though. At around the 04.00 mark, he admits that there might have been a negative side to Tom Cruise’s infamous sofa jumping on Oprah. I wonder if he got his knuckles rapped for not toeing the party line?

            • Gregory Nietsky

              he is no longer mini COB [chairman of the board locally] i wonder

            • Gregory Nietsky

              been digging ….

              http://www.mikerindersblog.org/johannesburg-ideal-org-truth-revealed/

              And the DSA who was also the President of the Church left after some 25
              years of service. He was the spokesperson for the Church and was, in my
              opinion, a HUGE asset to the org. His unannounced departure did not go
              unnoticed amongst the public. His wife, the Chaplain of the org (a vital
              post owing to the amount of upset and ARC-X field) also departed. Today
              there is no DSA and no Chaplain posted which leaves Joburg in a very
              vulnerable position.

            • Gregory Nietsky

              Sounds like they dont discuss Xenu amoungst themselves i would have asked who is xenu where is shelly.

      • Gregory Nietsky

        I would suggest he is “Squirrelling” his communications company seems to be spouting “tech” and he not doing it “under” the blessing of Herr Miscreant

    • i-Betty

      And here he is in all his bouffant glory. I have saved the picture as ‘Pig1’ on my hard drive. There are bound to be more pigs, hence my reason for numbering.

    • Toni m

      Very good website. Thanks for sharing it. One day this injustice will end. Hope one day you will be together with your family. Hugs.

  • i-Betty

    Please can one of our trusted UK-based commentators please let me know which telephone number they would advise escapees, blowers, on-the-fencers and waverers to call to get through to a helpline similar to Chuck Beatty’s XSeaOrg service?

    Thank you.

  • Nevermore

    Chaps, have taken down the PSA!

    • i-Betty

      Thank you , sweetheart. I knew you would once you saw my comment. How utterly bizarre that both numbers have been dodgy…

      • Nevermore

        Is it definitely gone? I refreshed the page it was back, only it said it was posted by ‘Guest’.

        • i-Betty

          Yes, I noticed that. I think it’s quite difficult to remove certain things from Disqus; I was reading something about it a few weeks ago. Sometimes the Proprietor of a site is the only one with the ability to remove something entirely. I will check again, brb 🙂

          [edit] Grrr…

          Removing attachments is not currently available. Please contact the moderator of the website if you’d like to have your comment removed permanently.

          Well, if you see this, Tony, would you be so good as to remove Nevermore’s last copy of the PSA which contains an incorrect telephone number. Don’t worry if you can’t (or just don’t see this request) – we’ll soon have a new copy made up and the old ones will fade into Bunker history 🙂

          • Graham

            If you can’t remove entirely , presumably the original poster can edit?? ie either remove all content, or at least put some kind of explanatory update?

            • Nevermore

              It won’t let me edit the post now – I have flagged it as ‘inappropriate, so I assume Tony will be notified when he logs in with the 12 noon update.

            • i-Betty

              Great idea, Never 🙂

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              A moderator can remove posts entirely. A user can edit or delete a post, but if there are replies to the post it will remain as a “Guest” post. Images can’t be deleted by a user. These are as Disqus is set up to work here in the Bunker. On other sites it is implemented differently

  • Cat Daddy
  • Cat Daddy
    • Nevermore

      Yeah, the {church} wouldn’t know human rights if they were beaten about the head and shoulders with them!

      • Gregory Nietsky

        But then they perhaps have a misunderstood and think it allows them to remove humans rights esp when applied to sea bORG

  • Cat Daddy
    • Nevermore

      Not even to escape my long-standing nightmare about zombies eating my brain will I become a $ciloon!

  • Graham

    F*** me, keeping track of cults is like playing Whack-a-Mole. Latest one here: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/lessons-in-love–but-who-are-the-teachers-thousands-expected-at-wembley-event-on-romantic-fulfilment-sponsored-by-controversial-church-8831781.html

    Comparisons made to Scientology’s technique of using innocent sounding front groups. The reporter’s presumably never heard of Narconon, calling it Arkanon- unless that’s a $cio animal rights front group of which we were previously unaware? 🙂

    EDIT: The site uses Disqus if you feel like leaving a comment.

    • Gregory Nietsky

      This is the “moonies”

      • Gregory Nietsky

        Appologies not the moonies

    • Gregory Nietsky

      Combing the moonies and scientology got a mooning dwarf

    • i-Betty

      Arkanon – [snip] a $cio animal rights front group.

      Rofl!!

  • Vinay Agarwala

    In my opinion one cannot become cause without also becoming an effect. That is chasing after the wrong thing. Hubbard wanted to be THE cause. See where he ended up.

    The only benefit that I can see from Op Pro by Dup is sharpening one’s physical perceptions by closer looking. In other words, the benefit is that one becomes more mindful of physical objects, or more objective.

    And that does not take hundereds of hours.

    I think that perfect duplicates can be made better with a camera or memorization. To me more important is seeing things as they are, and that is accomplished on a gradient.

    There is no such condition as a clear. That has been a moving target.

    .

  • philosofa

    Hi Bunkerites. This is a actually filosofa here – but Disqus has decided I don’t exist under that name any more, even though I still get The Bunker updates sent to my e-mail address.

    Disqus won’t even let me re-set my password. So I’m reduced to posting under another name. Has this happened to anyone else. Why does Disqus hate me?

    Awesome articles over the last few days btw, Mr O.;

    • i-Betty

      Poor thing! 🙁 I do know it has happened to others before. Was it Bury the Nuts who had to create a Bury the Nuts2? What an absolute pain Disqus can be at times.

      xxxxx

    • Gregory Nietsky

      Just to explain Disqus is a “add on” to the tonyortega.org site so your email updates come from the site.

      • philosofa

        Thanks, Greg – that makes sense. At least it’s just Disqus that hates me and not The Bunker!

  • Barbara Angel

    Please guys don’t forget to go here http://www.scientology-cult.com/component/poll/15-is-miscavige-a-crook.html and keep the clicks coming.

    I’m a ‘never in’ and am completely blown away at the outrageous behaviour of this criminal “dwarfenfuror”!!!

    The insanity; cruelty to children and adults, viciousness, greed, denial LIES and the fact that he just keeps getting away with it….. ????? I sort of feel I’m reading a movie script that couldn’t be true. And then all you Brave people are telling your TRUE stories of life under Dwarfenfuror. This should be creating a public FUROR and that horrible little man is criminally insane, he needs to be in jail, Now.

    The lack of natural justice, Leaves me gob smacked!!! I’ve always thought that America had the most sophisticated laws and was a Champion of human rights??? We Aussies tend to feel a bit backward, having such a smaller population than you guys. But in all honesty, your Law Enforcement Agencies must have all gone to sleep or something? Are they being paid to ignore all of his criminal activities??? What is wrong, with the American government that they can allow this guy who is worse than a mobster? Mobsters look after their families and children, not this criminal. Using six year old’s to do Hard Labour???? Where are your Laws to protect your citizens????

    • i-Betty

      I can’t seem to register my vote on the poll, Barbara. What am I missing? x

  • jmh

    Disqus freaking out on anyone else? :-/

  • i-Betty

    .