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HOW SCIENTOLOGY COERCED A CHILD TO HAVE AN ABORTION: THE LAURA DECRESCENZO FILES

—————- In anticipation of her biggest day in court yet, Laura DeCrescenzo and her attorneys hit the Church of Scientology with 928 pages of new filings —————- Details from 18,000 pages of evidence show how Scientology manipulated a child to keep her working under slave-like conditions —————- A key document describing DeCrescenzo’s unwillingness to have her coerced abortion is missing from the evidence Scientology was ordered to produce By Tony Ortega Wednesday afternoon, Laura DeCrescenzo filed explosive new information in her four-year legal odyssey against the Church of Scientology, submitting 928 pages of new declarations and exhibits in anticipation of a crucial October 23 hearing in her lawsuit against the church which alleges abuse, including allegations that she was forced to have an abortion at only 17 years of age. Key to the new filings is information gleaned from thousands of pages of previously secret files that the church fought mightily to keep under wraps. But on Monday, the U.

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One of Scientology’s Early Celebrities: Charlie Manson!

Charles_MansonJon Atack is the author of A Piece of Blue Sky, one of the very best books on L. Ron Hubbard and Scientology. He now has a new edition of the book out, and on Saturdays he’s helping us sift through the legends, myths, and contested facts about Scientology that tend to get hashed and rehashed in books, articles, and especially on the Internet.

[ALSO TODAY: Another new lawsuit against Narconon Arrowhead; Scientology buys Larry Hagman’s Ojai palace; a big victory for blogging in Austria; and more!]

Jon, we know that Scientology relies on its celebrities to burnish its image. But in at least one case, there’s someone very famous whose involvement the church would rather keep under wraps. We’re talking about Charles Manson, diminutive cult leader and ward of the state of California. What do we know about Charlie’s time in Scientology?

JON: In 1969, when the Manson Family exploded across the headlines, the Guardian’s Office successfully downplayed Charlie Manson’s involvement with auditing. Manson says that he became “pretty heavily into Dianetics and Scientology” while he was in prison in the early 1960s. GO documents, seized by the FBI, show that Manson had received about 150 hours of auditing. This is more than I received in my nine-year involvement, and I reached OT V. The GO was also successful in keeping the involvement of other Family members from the press, but internal documents show that three others had been caught up in Scientology: Lynette “Squeaky” Fromme, Lanier Ramer, and Bruce Davis all received auditing. Manson was still keen on Scientology when he met Davis, and was attracted to Davis because of his involvement.

In prison, before the formation of the Family, Manson had gushed about Scientology to other inmates, including Alvin ‘Creepy’ Karpis, who was serving a life sentence for fourteen gangland killings.

THE BUNKER: In 1971, Paulette Cooper, in The Scandal of Scientology, not only reported that Manson had been involved in Scientology, but she also mentioned that he might have been involved in a Scientology breakaway group.

JON: That’s right. Two defectors had set up their own brand of Scientology and renamed it The Process. Along the way, they had also changed their own names, from Robert and Mary Ann Moore to “De Grimston.” Initially, they styled their splinter group Compulsions Analysis. Eventually, they settled on the title The Process Church of the Final Judgment. The De Grimstons and their followers dressed in black and walked their German Shepherds along the beaches of California. They accepted the Hubbard dictum that only adventurers make for worthy members of society, and they disdained the “greys,” who lived humdrum lives. For followers of The Process — of whom Manson was one — it was essential, as Hubbard stated his own central purpose in life, to “smash” their names into history. To the De Grimstons morality didn’t come into it, so they revered Hitler as a great success.

It is more than likely that Manson’s own despicable ideas were influenced by this take on Scientology.

Although it’s unrelated to Manson, Paulette Cooper also pointed to the gruesome murder of three teenagers in 1969: “Two were Scientologists. According to The New York Post, all three were brutally beaten, ritualistically stabbed, had their right eyes cut out, and were dumped 100 yards from a Scientology commune. One of the girls, Miss Doreen Gaul, nineteen, who came from New York to study Scientology, was naked except for a strand of Indian beads. The boy, James Sharpe, was fifteen years old. The third was unidentified. Doreen Gaul’s father allegedly told a New York Post reporter that she had lately become disenchanted with Scientology.”

For his book, The Ultimate Evil, author Maury Terry interviewed another serial killer, David Berkowitz, the infamous “Son of Sam.” Terry came to believe that Berkowitz’s involvement with Scientology had led him to accept direction from the De Grimstons, rather than from Sam the dog, whose son he claimed to be.

THE BUNKER: You’ve really managed to creep us out this week, Atack. Between today’s post and yesterday’s remembrance of Diane Colletto, we’ve heard enough about gruesome murders with connections to Scientology to last a while.

 
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Scientology Pays $5 Million For Larry Hagman’s Ojai Palace. But Why?

HagmanOjaiYesterday, the Ventura County Star reported that Scientology’s wholly owned Social Betterment Properties International has paid $5 million cash for Larry Hagman’s palatial estate in Ojai.

Scientology’s “good works” umbrella front, the Association for Better Living and Education (ABLE), has used SBPI in the past to purchase property for its programs, including the property that makes up its flagship drug rehab facility in Oklahoma, Narconon Arrowhead.

But why would Scientology buy up such an expensive piece of property at this point? The church has been in acquisition mode, buying expensive buildings for its “Ideal Org” program — but those are usually in the middle of sizable cities, not in a less populated part of California.

We asked former church spokesman Mike Rinder for his speculation on this purchase…

My guess is that it is for a celebrity detox/rehab facility.

Maybe even something with a completely different name than Narconon, which is rather rapidly going out of style.

Further, I would guess that Tom Cruise or John Travolta or someone has a celeb contact they want to help and there is nowhere to send them. So the Donald Trump of Scientology orders that a facility be found and purchased. 9 bedrooms, 10 bathrooms would be ideal. It will then be staffed with hand-picked people in a cost-is-no-object-when-it-comes-to-pleasing-Tom kind of way that Miscavige has used so often in the past (see plane hangar, motorcycles, limos, in fact the entire “Ideal Org” scheme).

It’s certainly not a retreat for ABLE executives to spend long weekends sitting by the pool. Unlikely to be used for criminals, or kids learning how to read or for printing The Way to Happiness booklets. So as far as ABLE activities go, that leaves detox/drug rehab. It even looks like Promises and some of the other high end drug rehab facilities north of LA.

And it’s close enough to be accessible and easily controlled by Miscavige’s RTC Storm Troopers (unlike Arrowhead).

Just my conjecture.

We think Rinder is right. And we can’t help thinking of something Luke Catton wrote about in his recent memoir, Have You Told All.

In the book, Catton described a Very Important Person arriving at Narconon Arrowhead in the Spring of 2003. It was a friend of Tom Cruise, and when he arrived, this big shot was given first-class treatment. But from Catton’s description, it was obvious that a remote facility in Oklahoma was maybe not the best place for such a global player needing to dry out. If Cruise was not pleased with how his friend was treated, this new place in Ojai may just be the ticket the next time a high-roller needs to go through withdrawal

UPDATE: In our comments, Catton confirms that as early as 2005, Narconon officials were talking about creating a special rehab facility for celebrities. It looks like that’s what the Hagman estate will become.

 
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Another Lawsuit Alleging Fraud Filed Against Narconon Arrowhead

NNArrowheadThere are now eleven lawsuits pending against Scientology’s flagship drug rehab program in Oklahoma, Narconon Arrowhead — and ten of them have been filed by former prosecutor Gary Richardson.

Richardson filed five lawsuits against Narconon Arrowhead and its parent organizations on March 21, and yesterday, he added another complaint alleging fraud — but this one has a curious twist.

The plaintiff in the latest lawsuit is Rachel Petersen — the same Rachel Petersen who wrote about a wrongful death lawsuit facing Narconon Arrowhead for the McAlester News-Capital last August.

A reporter suing Narconon? We called Richardson last night, and he said that Peterson was once a patient at Narconon Arrowhead, and that’s what her suit is about. He said he’d send us the complaint today, and we’ll post it as soon as we get it. We also left a message with Petersen, wanting to ask her about the suit.

Briefly, here are the eleven suits now facing the drug rehab facility that have been filed in the last year (except for Landmeier’s which was filed earlier):

Heather Landmeier: Negligence; student of Narconon Arrowhead in 2008, now in a vegetative state.
Gabriel Graves: Wrongful death; died of unknown causes at Arrowhead in October 2011.
Hillary Holten: Wrongful death; died of unknown causes at Arrowhead in April 2012.
Stacy Dawn Murphy: Wrongful death; died of a drug overdose at Arrowhead in July 2012.
William Scott: Negligence; attended Narconon Arrowhead in November 2010.
Sue Ann Newman & Dena Shobe: False representation and fraud; Newman attended in May 2012.
Mary Cantu: False representation and fraud; son attended Arrowhead in July 2011.
Lisa Gray: False representation and fraud; son attended Arrowhead in May 2011.
Gina Nelsen: False representation and fraud; son attended Arrowhead in October 2012.
Vicki White: False representation and fraud; son attended Arrowhead in February 2011.
Rachel Petersen: Fraud; Petersen attended Arrowhead a few years ago, Richardson says.

 
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In Austria, a Big Victory for Scientology Blogging

Wilfried_HandlIf the German-speaking world has a parallel to The Underground Bunker, it’s Wilfried Handl’s “Blog gegen Scientology,” which he runs out of Vienna, often linking to our stories.

Our total ignorance of German, however, has kept us from staying on top of Handl’s legal troubles, and for that reason we hope to catch up fast. Last year, several thousand German Scientology e-mails were made public by Anonymous, and Handl posted some of them on his blog.

Scientology sued Handl and also reported him for criminal prosecution. Yesterday, he told us that the civil lawsuit had been settled — on very favorable terms.

Handl has agreed to black out the names on the e-mails that he’s posted, but otherwise his blog can proceed as normal.

“Scientology paid all my attorney expenses (around 6,500 Euro) and I can use all hacked mails freely — they agreed about that!” Handl tells us.

Handl is still dealing with the investigation by Vienna’s National Criminal Court, and he says Scientology is trying to make him out as a leader of Anonymous. But for now, he’s encouraged by how things are going.

“I feel good. They paid about 20,000 Euro in court and attorney costs for some black outs on the e-mails. But the fight is not over yet,” he says.

 

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Meanwhile, in Ireland…

Pete Griffiths, what have you done?
 

 

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And For the Professorial Set…

Diane Johnson does the New York Review of Books thing, reviewing the new tomes by Lawrence Wright and Jenna Miscavige Hill in a lengthy and erudite piece.

We sincerely appreciate that Johnson, like so few others, brings up Scientology’s methods of retaliation:

People leaving the fold often will find themselves victims of vindictive harassment, Internet accusations, sometimes from fictional or quasi-fictional groups or websites like ReligiousFreedomWatch, or other Scientology front organizations pretending to be neutral public interest groups. The church has a baroque flair for imaginative persecution.

“Baroque” is a good word for it.

And finally, we somehow missed this bit of Hawaiian Punch which occurred last month.

 

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Posted by Tony Ortega on April 6, 2013 at 07:00

 

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  • 1subgenius

    Hawaii. Really?

    • stillgrace

      Those two words really do say it all! Damn … more letters to write!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Damian-DeWitt/100000143081032 Damian DeWitt

    Epic Giant Saturday Post is Epic and Giant!

    • BuryTheNuts2

      I love it when you get excitedly redundant!

  • roger weller

    on the manson murders, i got doreen gaul into scientology in albany,in 68.it was awful what happened,she was hitching from asho. then a few years later her ex boyfriend mike gutman from troy, committed suiside.

    • BuryTheNuts2

      Sad.

    • FLUNK_101

      In Albany? Do you know anything about the guy who ran the Albany Mission in the fall of 1974, or his pretty wife? Or the hippie course supervisor “Moose,” or his wife, “Poose?” Or Cleo and Alan, who had a mission in Rensselaer?

  • Bradley Greenwood

    The Hawaiians must be very outside the loop. Do we have any Hawaiian “bunkernauts”?

  • John P.

    It’s easy to predict that the cult will overdo it with the new property in Ojai. I would expect a repeat of the Newport Beach Narconon, which flagrantly abused zoning regulations. Those active in LA would be wise to jump on this as soon as possible to try and nip it in the bud. I would suggest putting together a trail of documents linking the particular corporate shell to Narconon, and thence to articles about the Newport Beach facility and also to the deaths and suits at other Narconon facilities. I am sure that Larry Hagman’s neighbors, all similarly well-heeled and desirous of privacy, would be appalled at what is about to descend on their neighborhood. Contacting the local paper would be a way to get community opposition aware of the problem even before they take occupancy.

    Also, does anybody who follows Hollywood have any clue who this “friend” of Tom Cruise might be? I’m not sure Tom Cruise has “friends” like normal people do. Might this be one of the people that TC and Will Smith are rumored in the press to be reaching out to to help them get their lives together?

    I don’t have time for a more thoughtful comment; I was late getting up this morning, and they’ve finished fueling the jet and the engines are starting; I need to make my takeoff slot so I don’t have to re-file the flight plan. Off to some fun this weekend!

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Damian-DeWitt/100000143081032 Damian DeWitt

      Oh, this is good. Fire up your lasers for research and man the harpoons for Ojai community influencers and decision makers.

      btw John P. when was the last time you flew commercial? It is SO for the little people.

      Have fun buzzing the Failwinds as you fly over the Carribbean. <3<3<3

      • John P.

        I only use the jet for specific trips. There is little point in flying the jet for an out-and-back trip to LA, since there are flights at least hourly almost all day long– it’s the most heavily trafficked long haul airline route in the world. First class airfare for four costs less than what it takes to run the jet there and back. Same with London and Paris. And for places like Sydney or Singapore, flying commercial is both faster and cheaper because a 747-400 doesn’t have to refuel; the G does, twice, adding 4-5 hours to the trip.

        The jet is for trips like NYC->Columbus Ohio->Madison Wisconsin->El Paso->Jackson MS->Pensacola->NYC. You would be hard pressed to do that in a week flying commercial. Trying to fly into Madison from anywhere is basically a ridiculous proposition and it takes 2-3 hours to drive up from O’Hare. I can do three hour meetings in each of those cities and do that trip in two days. Oh, and the jet is really great for quick vacation trips as well…

        But the real reason I love the jet is the geek appeal — I love to ride in the jumpseat on the landing (especially into NYC, SFO, SJC, SEA, PSP) and to “help out” by giving the pilots a break en route (basically just manning the radio for the handoffs between air traffic control sectors as you make your way along). So it’s more to fulfill my inner pilot wanna-be (I’m certified in multi-engine propeller but not current, and I’m not certified in jets, but I sometimes fly the takeoff in the right seat when we’re flying out of a sleepy little airport) than it is to commune with my inner Leona Helmsley, who was all about looking down on “the little people.”

        • http://twitter.com/Gracie_stewart Hope Stewart

          The Hagman estate is not less than three hours from LAX without traffic. There are two very small private airports within an hour. The compound is extremely remote at the top of a mountain on over forty acres and the nearest store of any kind is thirty minutes away down a narrow two lane mountain road. It is not an easy commute. I used to travel for work quite a bit and even with a driver, it is an extra half day into any trip. There is a heliport on the property but the property sold without guaranteeing its use.

    • Bella Legosi

      I heard little rumors that Russle Brand and Tom were getting pretty buddy buddy after Rock of Ages. But with all the horrible press lately I am sure whomever this “friend” is really does not want to be connected to Co$ in any shape or form (wonder if Heaven has an underground tunnel to secretly delever people, like they do in the Celeb Center LA). That would make for some interesting interview questions. Outside of Russel I havent heard of any celeb actually being tied to either Tom or Will who is publicly on the dire straights at the moment.

      • hogarthian

        Russell Brand is an arsehole and deserves all he gets.

        • Bella Legosi

          Yeah, Dudley Moore definately rolled in the grave after Arthur 1 2. At this point it would be silly for any actor to seriously consider Co$. Even if they had “wins” they are not going public. Pretty bad when your “beliefs” are such that you can’t DISCUSS them for fear of retaliation and true suppression. Kinda sounds like a CULT to me.

        • BuryTheNuts2

          And he needs a body wax!!!

          • Observer

            I like hairy men. Unless they’re Russell Brand.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              I don’t mind sort of hairy…but Brand looks like his pubic hair ran wild all over his body!

            • hogarthian

              That’s ‘cos eez a proper bloke, innit?’

              Shame on me, but… I’m always suspicious of superfluous body hair on a man, yet strangely, I’m a champion of female body hair. Fuck…. I must be a feminist.

        • Observer

          Indeed. The first I’d ever heard of him was that horrible stunt he and Jonathan Ross pulled on poor old Andrew Sachs, so I’ve never not despised him. And I do not see why so many consider him attractive. Blech.

          • hogarthian

            Funny you should say that. I was in the audience for the recording of the Jonathan Ross chat show when he was a guest (long before the Sachs thing), and I have to say, in spite of myself (again!… I’m just a barrel load of conflicting self contradictions), that the whole aura of the man was mesmerising, I’m not exaggerating. He gave off the most overpowering sexually predative vibe I’ve ever been witness to (and I’ve been around the block a few times), you could almost smell him. It wasn’t an entirely unpleasant feeling, I have to admit.

            The Ross and Sachs debacle had a lot of coverage here. Much talk of the fact that the producer of the show should have edited it out (it was prerecorded)… but the producer, allegedly, was only 22 years old.

            Anyway… I still think he’s a C U Next Tuesday. (disclaimer: I’ve established that I’m allowed to use that word, kind of).

            • Observer

              I’ve run into a few men like that, but my reaction to them has always been red flags shooting out the top of my head.

            • hogarthian

              Absolutely. I’m tempted to say that it’s only the women we call ‘sisters’ that recognise it, but thankfully some men can sniff it out too.

            • ParticleMom

              He could easily start his own Manson Family-type cult. His eyes remind me of Manson.

        • FistOfXenu

          He is, but NOBODY deserves the awfulness of $cientarCONon. Maybe DM, just because he kept it going after LiarRon Humptydumpty died. But we should keep feeding the monster with more people, not even celebs. Not even pointless bags of skin like Brand.

      • John P.

        I know it’s a little late, but it’s been a busy weekend. I am not a particular fan of Russell Brand’s work, but I read this article he wrote about addiction and I was quite impressed. It seems that his view of addiction and recovery is a very conventional 12-step program type of view from what I understand of these things. That seems to me like it would be incompatible with the Narconon approach. So I’m going to guess that if he really has been clean and sober for a decade, and he has this particular view of the problem, then he’s not Narconon bait. The article from the Guardian (UK paper): http://www.guardian.co.uk/culture/2013/mar/09/russell-brand-life-without-drugs

        • Bella Legosi

          Hope you are soaking up all the sun and beauty where ever you are getting room service :P Uncle Cosmo has decided to dump his glorious holy sweat upon us heathens in the PacNW! Thank you for the link. Wow, he kinda blew me away in that piece. I can see what attracted Tom to hang out with him. Also, what came to mind is he is involved in a lot of programs. He mentioned some and I can’t help but wonder if that wasn’t lost on Tom or his handler. Whether this buddyship produced any type of result? Probably not. When the Narconon approach is made as vague as possible to the point of criminal, it may seem harmless and hey who doesn’t like a good sauna? But, when you have lived thru honest to god physical addiction (DTs, sickness from Hades, ect) the very idea of total cold-turkey approach to sobriety is not only cruel, but dangerous. I can’t speak for 12 Step systems. I find them to be sorta cultie myself and haven’t seen many people “toxin” free for long, just to an acceptable and “not going to kill you” levels. I loved this quote tho, made me give this dude some respect.

          “Drugs and alcohol are not my problem, reality is my problem, drugs and alcohol are my solution.If
          this seems odd to you it is because you are not an alcoholic or a drug
          addict. You are likely one of the 90% of people who can drink and use
          drugs safely.”

          Have a shirley temple for those of us stuck in the rain (or a MaiTai if that is your thing)

    • CoolHand

      In California, facilities with 6 beds or less don’t have to be certified by the state. That’s how there are so many places in Laguna Beach, Malibu, etc. that run treatment programs without the neighbors being able to do anything about zoning issues. The additional rooms at the Ojai place would be used to house the staff.

      As for the friend, it wasn’t anyone in Hollywood. I would have written who, but that would have been a HIPAA violation. I’m sure there are former Narconon clients out there somewhere who were there at the time but were never employees who could say.

      • Midwest Mom

        Wouldn’t they still have to be approved for multi-family zoning?

        • CoolHand

          I guess not since it isn’t their residence, and something in the disabilities act says they can’t be discriminated against. Florida has a similar loophole. One reason for both states is because of the number of very small rehabs in each.

          • Midwest Mom

            We need to look into this further with a fine tooth comb! Also, the American’s with Disabilities Act has strict codes of compliance for accessibility.

            Calling all lawyers from California!

            • Poison Ivy

              The more I think about it, the more I think the spa angle is a part of this gig. A super high-end, “super power” purif, with a high-end chef, masseuses (gotta have ‘em for JT!), a salon, etc. etc. – green privileges on one of the great golf courses up there – would fit right in to the Ojai environment. I have a great story that I can’t share in too much detail about being at a super high-end health/weight loss spa (honestly, the most luxurious place I ever stayed – it cost an arm and a leg but every penny of your stay was reflected in the royalty-like service) when Kirstie Alley showed up. I would think CO$ would want that money for themselves, if their “whales” wanted to lose a little blubber. And remember, Tori says everyone gains weight on the higher levels! So what a money making scam – a purif that both gets people clean and gets them slim, while pampering them Celebrity Centre style. COB just doesn’t give up, does he?

        • Missionary Kid

          There was a case some time ago in Santa Barbara that set the precedent that a number of unrelated people could live in a house. It was a case where a number of people lived in a large house and each had their own room, but shared common areas. There were no separate apartments. The “group rented home” was O.K., as long as they didn’t violate other codes.

      • hogarthian

        Is it the little Bieber person?

        • BuryTheNuts2

          Someone needs to swat that little Bieber person right off the planet!

          • Observer

            I was just thinking he needs a good paddling and a six-month grounding more than anything else.

          • hogarthian

            Yup… he needs a good slap from his mammy (in private, obviously, as it’s not allowed).

            • Poison Ivy

              I think he spanks his parents instead; they are so cowed by him. They (and fame) have created a little monster. But karma will catch up with him.

          • monkeyknickers

            We could cook him and eat him. At least he’d be giving SOMETHING back to humanity. We’ll whip us some custard and put it on his manager for dessert.

        • CoolHand

          Ha! No, but maybe they’re hoping to have this one ready in time. He was only 9 or so back then.

    • Poison Ivy

      Tom Cruise was “friends” with the Beckhams at one point (they seem to have distanced themselves but they are having issues of their own right now and I doubt they are interesting in distracting themselves with Scientology) and the Smiths. At least one member of the latter couple, as of 2010 anyway, was very much involved in the church and auditing despite denials. I don’t know about the other one. I have no clue if either of the Smiths ever had substance abuse problems. They are pretty “eyes on the ball” people, controlled, focused, incredibly ambitious, and I sort of doubt it, unless Jada got into something while touring with her band. Tom Cruise’s “friends” – since you’re absolutely right, he doesn’t have “friends” like normal people -are more likely the people in his “team.” Managers, agents, producers and directors he’s worked with, etc. Remember, he is well-liked on the job, by all. In terms of set behavior anyway, he is a model actor with an amazing work ethic. There is no shortage of substance abuse and dependence in Hollywood and even though 12- step anonymity policy is generally respected by the press (not so with Lindsay Lohan, who prompted a lot of people to leave longtime favorite meetings when she briefly started going and showing up with press and entourage in tow), no Scientologist would ever be allowed attend a 12-step based rehab…the dictum of the 12 steps (with emphasis on taking responsibility, helping others and acceptance of life on life’s terms rather than gaining super human abilities to handle your problem). The majority of luxury rehabs are 12 step based OR psychology/therapy based – also off limits. It makes sense that CO$ would want a high-end rehab/spa (Ojai is gorgeous, isolated, and there are 2 spas that I know of there, one I used to frequent back in the day) of its own. They can run it for nothing and charge a fortune. And I’m certain that they’ll call it something completely different.

      Maybe they plan to make up for the loss of funds from Arrowhead & Georgia by just charging enormous amounts to their whales for this “retreat”?

      • http://twitter.com/Gracie_stewart Hope Stewart

        I used to live next to Larry Hagman’s home and knew he and his wife Maya quite well. We still own undeveloped property there and know many of the current neighbors. The Hagman estate is situated on 40 acres (the smallest acreage allowed). It is not in the city limits of Ojai. It is located at the top of a very isolated mountain overlooking the ocean. The property had been on the market for a couple of years after his wife developed Alzheimer’s and required round the clock care and they moved her a facility in Los Angeles. Larry refused many offers on the estate during this time because he wasn’t satisfied with the buyers. He and Maya loved this home and called it, Heaven. They cared for it almost like a child. It is not a coincidence that the home was only sold after Larry’s death and that these buyers were kept uncharacteriscticallconfidential (despite many attempts to force disclosure by concerned neighbors). We are all quite concerned and while used to prominent neighbors, there is nothing like this anywhere on the mountain. It is all single family homes and guest homes. Zoning laws are governed by the county and any normal group would never receive approval for any kind of business much less a drug rehabilitation facility. However, the more I read and learn about the new buyers the more I realize this group is anything but “normal”. (To the extent that I created a fictitious email account to simply post this comment). Sadly, Larry and Maya would never have approved and only after his death could this sort of thing happen. I’m really concerned. This mountain has been like heaven; the people are all lovely and there is no drama other than an occasional horse getting loose or the fog below obstructing the views of the Channel Islands for a day or two. It is a quiet and stunning beautiful place. We are hoping that it can remain that way.

        • Poison Ivy

          You should be concerned, Hope (and a lot of us here have fictitious email accounts!) This is the place to learn exactly what you should be concerned about! One thing for sure, the clams are super private. They won’t want to socialize with wogs and they won’t play loud music, etc. If it’s a drug rehab or a spa retreat, etc, I think the suppositions on this blog are right – it’ll be for a small amount of extremely wealthy and possibly famous “whales.” It’s not like you’d have junkies cruising the streets.

          On the downside, you’d have a secretive and sometimes dangerous (when threatened) cult in your midst. Not fun.

          I just had another thought – COB isn’t thinking of moving any of his VIP RPFers there, is he?

    • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

      We in RTC can confirm that COB ordered the purchase of Larry Hagman’s mansion. However, it will not be a drug treatment center intended to compete with upstat wog treatment centers like Passages Malibu.

      This new property will instead become a Scientology Think Tank focused on returning America to the gold standard.

      Movers and shakers in the movement to return America to the gold standard will be invited to our new Ojai facility for confabs where they will also be recruited into becoming Scientologists and regged for donations to Super Power.

      COB RTC David Miscavige wants to see gold become the new currency. COB would also like to see his image to be on a $1,000,000 gold coin called the Miscavige.

      In related news, COB announced that a new series of OT Fat Farms will be opening soon to handle the pandemic of fat OT’s in the Church of Scientology. These facilities will feature state of the art saunas, gyms, and interrogation rooms where one’s crimes can be more quickly discovered.

      • Midwest Mom

        OTVIII – Are you trying to tell me that Hagmans’ place in Ojai is trying to be a west coast Scientology perversion of Piety Hill? Egads! Russell Kirk is rolling in his grave.

        • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

          We in RTC are not conservative; we are rather opposed to income tax and paper money in all forms.

          Our new place in Ojai will Scientological and not like Piety Hill where, apparently, any Necon wog could wall in and blather on about how much they loved Edmund Burke.

          No, what we seek to do is to create a gold-backed Scientology currency. Our currency will be denominated in 12.5 auditing intensives:

          One 12.5 hour auditing intensive = 1 oz of gold = 1/100th of a Miscavige and so on.

          • Midwest Mom

            “All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.”

            “No one could make a greater mistake than he who did nothing because he could do only a little.”

            Edmund Burke

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Based on the Google Earth view, there are no neighbors.
      34°24’26″N119°10’13″W

      This is a remote, remote location. It appears ideal for hiding out in luxury. There’s a LONG driveway that wraps around and up the hill. You can be sure that a guard house will be appearing at that entry.

      The house itself is basically a U shape, with an interior landscaped court and pool. There is a very large garage and what appears to be a housekeeper’s cottage. Looks like there is enough room to build a bunkhouse or two as well, to house the troops.

      There are also two very large solar panel arrays, so the property could be self sustaining. I do wonder about water out there. Likely the property has a large cistern.

      Yes, this could easily be a luxury rehab facility– or a hideout for a reclusive-type who is accustomed to only the finer things in life, and a few folks to slap around…

    • HeatherGraceful

      I have a suspicion that TC’s friend who went to NN Arrowhead may be Australian. Not in movies.

      • Midwest Mom

        I was thinking the same thing!

    • http://twitter.com/sandyshores50 Sunny Sands

      Maybe TC’s friend who needs rehab is Russell Brand.

      http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2012/06/tom-cruise-suri-russell-brand-rock-ages/

  • elar aitch

    Tony you have spoiled us today (in Australia anyway the live blog and this evening’s stories have made for a smershtastic SATURDAY).

    • http://www.AlanzosBlog.com/ Alanzo

      Totally smershtastic.

  • 1subgenius

    The Hagman house probably has a sauna, no?

    • BuryTheNuts2

      If it doesn’t…It will….

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Damian-DeWitt/100000143081032 Damian DeWitt

    I think Mike Rinder and Tony Ortega are correct in believing that the purchase of Larry Hagman’s palazzo in Ojai is to create a celebrity Narconon rehab facility, sort of like a Betty Ford Center for Scientology celebucultists.

    The first thing that struck me was that Ojai was the home of the great Indian spiritual master Jiddu Krishnamurti where he died in 1986 and remains the headquarters of the Krishnamurti Foundation of America. http://bit.ly/7O3K

    There is an article on Krishnamurti and the Ojai Valley here: http://bit.ly/YZodXg

    Unlike L. Ron Hubbard, Krishnamurti was truly a spiritually free man.

    That epic Theosophical fraud Madame Blavatsky had identified Krishmurti as “The World Teacher” and arranged for a big event in 1929 to inaugurate the New Age with Krishnamurti as its Messiah.

    He, however, got up and said,

    “I maintain that truth is a pathless land, and you cannot approach it by any path whatsoever, by any religion, by any sect. That is my point of view, and I adhere to that absolutely and unconditionally.

    Truth, being limitless, unconditioned, unapproachable by any path whatsoever, cannot be organized; nor should any organization be formed to lead or coerce people along a particular path…

    The moment you follow someone you cease to follow Truth…I am concerning myself with only one essential thing: to set man free. I desire to free him from all cages, from all fears, and not to found religions, new sects, nor to establish new theories and new philosophies.”

    The contrast between Krishnamurti’s actual freedom in Ojai and the slavery of Tom Cruise’s new celebutard drug rehab concentration camp with RTC Storm Troopers nearby could not be greater.

    • mook

      The big question will be if the manor will be occupied. Another Super Power building if you ask me

    • Missionary Kid

      To even put NarCONcon in the same paragraph with Betty Ford makes me gag.

    • villagedianne

      Here is a joke Krishnamurti liked to tell:

      “You may remember the story of how the devil and a friend of his were walking down
      the street, when they saw ahead of them a man stoop down and pick up something
      from the ground, look at it, and put it away in his pocket. The friend said to
      the devil, ‘What did that man pick up?’ ‘He picked up a piece of the
      truth,’ said the devil. ‘That is a very bad business for you, then,’
      said his friend. ‘Oh, not at all,’ the devil replied, ‘I am going to
      help him organize it.’

      • Exterrier

        Awesome.

  • Truthiwant

    The English language is so great with its double meanings.

    Here is a small part from David Miscavige’s speech at the Scientology Birthday event just
    recently, talking about the Super Power Building. What does the word ‘lie’ really mean?!!

    “In fact I’ll go one step further. When you finally walk through those doors to behold what lies within…”

    • Roger Larsson

      The greatest gift to mankind…. Lies… are much too valuable to be controlled by a
      private association. The greatest gift to mankind is to be administrated and improved
      by everyone.

  • Bella Legosi

    Ah Manson. Yet another Auditing success story. I don’t know what is worse. Crazy publics or crazy splitters.

  • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

    I remember the Process Church very well. If I can believe what I read and heard, the cult leaders had an unconventional view of sex. DeGrimston was fascinated by group sex and McLean was a former prostitute. The cult was supposed to have a strong sexual bend. As an adolescent there is no question that my big ruin was that it nothing short of impossible for me to get laid.

    One day as I rode along on my bicycle, a beautiful woman wearing the telltale black cape tried to recruit me for the Process cult. I declined, telling her that I was a Scientologist. She backed off. Had I taken the bait, I may have become sexually active much sooner. The moral—when choosing a cult choose wisely. The Process are gone now, but if I had to choose today I’d become a Raelian. A lot of strippers are Raelians.

    • FLUNK_101

      Wasn’t musician George Clinton into the Process Church?

      • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

        Hubbard had a lot of competition, so you really have to hand it to him. In Toronto we could join the Hare
        Krishna, the Maharaja Mahesh Yogi (who had the Beatles as disciples) the Mahari
        Ji whom I remember only as a chubby little boy whose followers recruited at my
        university, The Process Church of the Final Judgement, People’s Temple, the
        Solar Temple, the Unification Church (also known as the Moonies) and I am sure
        many smaller ones. They were all around preying mostly on freaked out hippies. However, I don’t remember Process having celebrity followers. It was a long time ago. Who know what they had? Information about them is limited, even with the internet. Their big thing was promoting through beautiful women in capes. At Scientology we were told to keep our distance.

        • Midwest Mom

          M.K., Thanks for not tipping people off about whose username rhymes with Lynette Fromme.

          • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

            Midwest Mom (or someone whose name rhymes with yours) were you a member of the Process? Could you have been the girl in the black cape who tried to recruit me while I was cycling by? If so, you could have saved me from a lot of self-doubt back then. You should have been more persistent.

            • Captain Howdy

              Actually there is a lovely photo of Squeaky in in a hooded black cape.

            • Midwest Mom

              All good Catholic girls know that it is unwise to wear capes, school uniforms, or flared/bell-bottomed pants while riding bicycles, so that rules me out. (Also, no, I was never in the Process.)

              I have also never attempted to pick up guys while riding my bike. I broke all three bones in my ankle at age 4 while riding double on a neighbor’s new 3 speed, which was the last time I ever rode double on a bike. Yes. I was that kid. [ I was also a legend in my neighborhood. 1.) Because I didn’t cry and 2.) Because Kenny S’s mom passed out cold when she tried to help.]

              I will admit to flirting with cute guys (in my single days) while on sailboats, in golf carts, or on skis.

            • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

              I was kind of hoping that you had been in the Process. There would be some real satisfaction in knowing that the cult you had been in has become such a dim memory that it is even hard to find out about it on the internet. I hope to have that sort of satisfaction myself, one day, but for now talking or writing to a former Processor might be satisfaction enough.

      • 1subgenius

        OK, I’ll Google that for you:

        “Though somewhat forgotten today, the Process Church was well known and influential in its time. For example, legendary funk musician George Clinton included excerpts from the magazine in the liner notes for Funkadelic’s Maggot Brain and America Eats Its Young.”

        http://technoccult.net/dossiers/groups/the-process-church-of-the-final-judgement/

        • FLUNK_101

          Thx.

        • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

          I’m impressed by you and by the reach of the Process. Not by George Clinton though. I might have needed help to get laid back then, but I doubt that he did. If not for quick sex why would anyone join?

        • Trustmeonthis

          Noooo! >.<

    • RMycroft

      The Process Church managed to hook Alistair Cooke’s daughter. Very sad.

      ‘It is dreadful to be an onlooking parent, for the loved child is lost’ October 20, 1999, Nick Clarke, The Guardian
      http://www.guardian.co.uk/theguardian/1999/oct/20/features11.g22

      • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

        No, I didn’t know that. I remembered the beautiful girl in the cape and that I was told that they were poison at the Scientology offices.

        Years later when the internet came about I tried to find information but it was almost as though they had been wiped out of our societal memory. Obviously, more is coming up now.

        Looking back, a big city was a mind field of cults at that time. One auditor told me that every last person he audited, and he said that he had done thousands of hours, had used LSD. It really tells you who the Scientologists were, and who the potential customers were. At the time, Scientology claimed 15 million followers which was ridiculous. However, in my city, they could muster a thousand people for a big event and fill the ballroom of the second largest hotel in town. Add on the Process, Krishna (the suburban white kid version) and the rest and it is not surprising, just by working the odds, that celebrities or people affiliated with celebrities got hooked in.

        Today you just can’t get sucked in quite the same way. As soon as your cousin comes over and says Scientology or Unification or Process you just go to the internet. Information age or what?

        • RMycroft

          They still are almost down the memory hole. I was trying to save the Wikipedia article and did a lot of searching for references, and that was one of the few that I found.

          DeGrimston was finally kicked out of the group (Scientology take note!), and I think it has morphed into some kind animal care group. (Hmm. Someone’s added a lot of uncited cruft to the article. Oh well, not my problem.)

    • grundoon

      The Process is still around, but now they are called the Best Friends Animal Sanctuary, I kid you not.

      • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

        Well, I believe you, but it is hard enough to figure out Scientology. Trying to tie that one together would strip some gears. I have heard of religious cults and personality cults, but animal cults? I guess no one would suspect…

  • CoolHand

    Back in 2005, ABLE’s Narconon Representative was Simon Hogarth (who has since disappeared along with Rena Weingerg and Laurie Zurn). Simon called me about their intention to build and run a celebrity Narconon. I agree with Mike that Hagman’s place seems to be an attempt to finally carry out that goal.

    • CoolHand

      There were also plans prior to this to try and build a private celebrity Narconon on the grounds of the Arrowhead campus, which has over 200 acres and 55 cabins. But the church wouldn’t allow Narconon to build on the property or own it.

  • http://www.AlanzosBlog.com/ Alanzo

    Obviously, Content is King here at the Underground Bunker.

    Jon Atack has so much important information on Scientology. And it is so good to have it delivered to me in bite-size chunks like today’s serial installment. I knew about Charles Manson, but I did not know about the The Process Church of the Final Judgment. I can see how they would have the idea that only Big Being UberMensches matter. Very creepy.

    Creepy good, though.

    And Jon – only 150 hours of auditing? My God – I had 150 hours of auditing on the FPRD Basic List alone!

    I think I know now what your problem is. I don’t want to evaluate for you or anything. But I think you may want to re-do your Objectives.

    Alanzo

    • Ms. B. Haven

      “bite-sized chunks like today’s serial installment’

      Nice one Alanzo. Thank the gods that Jeffrey Dahmer wasn’t the featureed subject today.

      I have to agree with you about Jon not having many hours under his belt. Guess he was one of the lucky ones. I have known of people getting that many hours of Objectives. Very unlucky ones. It’s hard to say which would be worse, that many hours of FPRD or Objectives.

      • http://www.AlanzosBlog.com/ Alanzo

        It’s not so bad. The twitches are almost gone now.

    • FLUNK_101

      I heard that Christopher Reeve had 100’s of hours of auditing, until one day he “fooled the meter” by telling a Greek myth as his own “whole track” recall.
      And Manson, when he started his own little cult, combined things he learned rom Scientolgy … with LSD.

      • FistOfXenu

        So full circle. LRH did LSD and hallucinated $cientology and took the LSD out, Charlie took $cientology and put the LSD back in.

        • Poison Ivy

          Charlie didn’t take as much LSD when he was leading his ‘family’. He’d take only a portion of an acid tab and use the lion’s share on his followers, the easier to manipulate their minds, my dear.

      • Missionary Kid

        It was a lot less auditing than that for Reeve. http://www.cultnews.com/archives/000129.html

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Robert-Eckert/100002715429426 Robert Eckert

      The Proceseans passed around some fliers on campus when I was in college (Ann Arbor). They were weird people. The cult Joaquin and River Phoenix was raised in “Children of God” had a larger presence though; at the time I had the impression those two were the same, although I see now that they were unrelated, just part of the general Zeitgeist.

    • Poison Ivy

      “Content is King here at the Underground Bunker” Amen! And talent is Queen and Tony has that in spades.
      ( cliched deck of cards metaphor intentional)

  • BuryTheNuts2

    I WAS hungover. Then I saw Charlie and now you have my full attention!
    Coffee!!!

    • Bella Legosi

      Really wish this info was out back when Helter Skelter was the subject of my sophmore high school English final. The subject: Self-reliance by an American Author and American Themed…..I thought what could be more fitting?

      • BuryTheNuts2

        Yeah, they brushed over it in Helter Skelter, but there wasn’t any real details.
        This is awesome!

        • Bella Legosi

          Really? I don’t remember seeing in the edition that I read. But that was years ago and back when I was partially innocent of wacky shit like Co$. This is awesome, I heard of Manson ties to Co$, but never in this detail.

          • BuryTheNuts2

            Yeah, there was some minor reference to him practicing and auditing while in prison.

            • FLUNK_101

              I have a taste for the bizarre. I didn’t read Helter Skelter, but I did read “The Shadow Over Santa Suzana: Black Magic, Mind Control, And The Manson Family Mythos (from acid sex to satanic slaughter).” It has copious references to The Process Church, though Jon Atack’s knowledge of the original name being “Compulsion Analysis” was a new one on me.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Good book…this^^^

            • Captain Howdy

              He did dianetic auditing (no e-meter) while at McNeil Island prison, where as Tony said he shared a cell with Alvin Karpis, who taught him guitar.

          • Chocolate Velvet

            Yes. I have a very old paperback edition of Helter Skelter that I have read over and over, and Bugliosi definitely talks about Charlie receiving auditing and reaching “clear”, and he also talks about The Process. Charlie was visited in jail by one of their people, and after that he would not answer questions about the Process or the DeGrimstons.

            It may be that later editions did not include that info. I am sure the scilons didn’t like it, and they probably put pressure on the publisher. But there are Manson blogs galore on the web, that explore every tiny detail of the case and every whackadoo conspiracy theory about Manson and his victims. If you are interested.

            • sugarplumfairy

              Wow.. Manson was a clear??? Wow..

            • BuryTheNuts2

              See, Scientology works! And it helps people!

            • Chocolate Velvet

              That is what Charlie claimed. According to at least one of his people, he scoffed at the COS, because he’d “gotten all they had to offer” and then moved on to even “greater” things. Good ol’ crazy Charlie.

            • Midwest Mom

              spf…I’m sticking by you… this Manson talk is creeping me out!

            • sugarplumfairy

              It’s mind boggling to think about the potential for evil out there.. that’s why it’s so important for the cynical, Incredulous ones to help make it safer for the innocents.. manson should never have been in a position to influence stupid, rudderless kids.. but if he had access to Scientology ‘tech’, I can see how he hooked them.. another proud accomplishment for frkng lrh..

            • Midwest Mom

              I think that copious amounts of recreational drugs had a big part of it, too.

            • sugarplumfairy

              Yah, but a heck of a lot of people have done recreational drugs without following idiots and murdering people..

            • hogarthian

              Yup. I’ll agree with that. To back that statement up though, you’re going to have to trawl through all the research that suggests that recreational drugs are a) correlational with either being young (age/crime curve – proven, no discussion to be had here, young people generally grow out of it), or having a choice (middle class, disposable income, enjoy it recreationally, predisposed etc) and b) all the research that suggests that murdering people has no measurable link with drug taking, in the real sense.

              And then you’re going to have to disseminate it in such a way that the Joe Bloggs can digest it.

              Most of your average common or garden citizens don’t avail themselves of the empirical data. Hence The Daily Mail, and whatever the U.S. equivalent is.

            • Ms. B. Haven

              I used to have an old copy of Helter Skelter too. From what I remember there were references to Manson claiming to not only be Clear, but also a Theta Clear, or Clear Theta Clear. You don’t hear of those ‘states’ anymore. Probably just more gobbledygook about various convoluted descriptions of Clear and OT ‘states’ because there really is no such thing.

              What really pisses me off is that I can’t listen to any of the White Album without being reminded of that evil bastard.

            • stillgrace

              Helter Skelter was an addictive read for a fan of true crime. That’s the only paperback I ever threw into a roaring fire (circa 1975). I had other things to do with my life and that was my impulsive solution to get moving.

            • Bella Legosi

              Thanks. I could very well be mistaken about not having come across it before. It was nearly 15 years ago, and since reading Helter Skelter I haven’t been interested in old batshit crazy Charlie. That book kept me up so many school nights.

    • Midwest Mom

      Bury. Stop using fishbowls to consume your adult beverages! On the plus side, at least you’re no longer using your CamelBak hydration pack for your G&T’s when you’re on the treadmill; that was dangerous! :)

      • hogarthian

        HAHHAHAHAHAH! You two crack me up. That’s extremely funny. I can see her on said treadmill, sucking on that bendy straw.

        • i-Betty

          How the hell can they be so funny after the alleged amount of booze they got through last night?!

          • BuryTheNuts2

            Practice!

          • Midwest Mom

            I had one tiny glass of Moscato. (I’m training for bathing suit season and preparing for my first trial: trying on new suits, in a few weeks!)

            • hogarthian

              If you’re training for bathing suit (aka Miss World) season, then you need a little more than one glass of moscato. I like to call it ‘stiffening my resolve’.

            • Midwest Mom

              I also need to stock up on self-tanning lotion!

            • http://www.facebook.com/people/Robert-Eckert/100002715429426 Robert Eckert

              Yeah right, you just had tee martoonies.

            • Midwest Mom

              Robert, Since I gave up pop for Lent, I have been living it up this weekend getting reacquainted with 2 liters of Faygo and Vernors. I missed them! :)

            • grundoon

              Faygo, favorite beverage of the Insane Clown Posse!

            • Midwest Mom

              Why, that’s just insane!

          • hogarthian

            Betty!… I’d drank my booze and gone to land of nod before you even got started! I’ve given you the wrong impression…. I don’t drink ALL THE TIME.. I’m selective, which means I’m a binge drinker. Which means, at my age, I’m a cheap date.

          • hogarthian

            oops, I mis-read that! It had nothing to do with me. ;-) YES, they have done very well on the hungover but still funny front… they’re FIERCE!

        • i-Betty

          Heheh :D

      • BuryTheNuts2

        Will you please remove the hidden cameras. You are making me self conscious.

        • Midwest Mom

          Bury, I don’t need hidden cameras! P.S. You need to pick up some more straws when you’re shopping today. P.P.S. You’re welcome!

          • BuryTheNuts2

            Oh, your right! Thanks.
            By the way….I can’t decide on the upholstery color for this mission chair….Subtle Pink or Deep Maroon?
            Which do you think would “pop” more in my living room?

            • Midwest Mom

              Girl, first, grab an issue of Coastal Living. Study it. You need more pop, but pink tones aren’t going to do it. They’ll wash out your complexion. (For some reason, I have that old Bea Arthur sitcom theme song ringing through my head, but it’s been changed to “…and then there’s Mauve!”)

              Think Cabana Chic, The Hamptons and Transitional Style. (snap!)

            • hogarthian

              omg. that really is beyond hilarious! Although, even though I have no idea where you live, whether your home faces north or south or east or west. Whatever you cover it in, just say

              “I sat tight for a while as I felt it was important to get a feel for the space, how the space could work for us, and how I could uphold the integrity of the chair within the space. Although I work full time managing my own multi million dollar company, I made time in my schedule to apply myself to how this chair, and whatever the ultimate upholstery choice for it would be, was going to fit into our lives. I took into account things that, possibly, regular readers of ‘Coastal Living’ don’t…. for example: my husband and I have been married a very long time, it gets a little predictable, we’ve taken to making love in places other than the bed and the pattern on our upholstery needs to be able to accommodate everything that comes with that decision (pardon the pun). I like a drink and I usually do it in front of my laptop, which lives on the kitchen table. There are always spillages, you know…. that ‘LOLLing’ thing that makes you spray vodka from every orifice? I’m sure I’m not the only CL reader who has discovered the joys of oil cloth for the ‘heavy traffic’ areas?”

              ….. and so it goes on. I LOVE home and living mags!

            • BuryTheNuts2

              This Killed!

    • hogarthian

      You’re forever behind me! It’s Saturday afternoon here, and you know what that means…. coffee was SO 4 hours ago.

  • RMycroft

    Bruce Davis was sent to England by Manson to work for Scientology.

    Timeline: From East Tennessee to California prison June 6, 2010, Knoxville News Sentinel
    http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2010/jun/06/from-east-tennessee-to-california-prison/

    • sugarplumfairy

      Really interesting timeline.. That’s a lot of evil crammed into a few weeks.. I wonder what Manson’s relationship was with co$ if he had the authority to assign someone to a foreign post..

      “… They turned to a cult leader for love and wound up tied to a web of unimaginable evil, and now, on the brink of old age, they are the haunted…”

      They should be haunted.. but what ever happened to objective, hard news? How does that reporter know they’re haunted?

      • BuryTheNuts2

        Exactly. Write a fucking novel if you want. But don’t call it reporting!

        • hogarthian

          There’s a lot of it about. Disguised reporting scares way more shit out of me than the current N. Korea debacle does, that’s for sure.

      • RMycroft

        The timeline was probably a sidebar to a main article with more detail, but I haven’t been able to find it.

      • Captain Howdy

        Manson sent Davis to East Grimstead as a spy and to try to acquire any mind control secrets he could find

  • sharon brown

    Wow Tony, So much entheta and on a Sat. no less ! Glad Gary Richardson is keeping the lawsuits coming, but Very discouraged by the fact that the Info is there for the DMH to act , yet they haven’t sealed the doors on these ” death machines” . How many more Lives have to be lost before something Is done .?? :'(

  • villagedianne

    There are police who believe that “Son of Sam” did not act alone and was part of a satanic ring. Here is a story:

    http://www.nbcnews.com/id/5351509/ns/dateline_nbc-newsmakers/t/did-son-sam-really-act-alone/

    • FLUNK_101

      I friend of mine lived near Berkowitz and knew Sam (the dog) very well.

  • hogarthian

    Diane Johnson can sure string a sentence together, and then some. Very, very good piece. Although I balked a little at two elements. “Scientology, founded in California in the Fifties by science-fiction writer L. Ron Hubbard, was at its beginnings a straightforward method of psychological self-help.” I really, vehemently, don’t believe that it was. But that’s ok, she ain’t an expert on Scientology and doesn’t need to be (neither am I). The other is The Guardian’s observation that Scientology is the only ‘religion’ that could have arisen from 20th C. America’s (among other things) patriarchal, androcentric view of the world. Johnson says The Guardian has tarred the whole of the U.S. with the tea party brush. I kind of agree but, as in most press reporting, The Guardian has possibly focussed on the extremes. So I forgive her for that too. ;-)

    Now, on to weightier matters…. I know I should be more concerned about the hapless, lost, more money than fucking sense, crippled with vanity, thick as a castle wall celebs who will be entering the new ‘Hagman House of Horrors’, but I’m not, I’m more worried about the building. What an absolute ****ing travesty that that beautiful house will, for sho’, be refitted in that unique Versace-yet-not-quite style beloved of people who developed their aesthetic sense in a cultural desert. Guardian reading, ‘Wolfie Smith’, power to the people, leftie that I am (which means that if I was really being true to my beliefs I’d be saying that the house was an obomination, in these straightened times of austerity), I still think it’s a bit of a work of art. If I lived near, I’d have a new crusade…. positioning myself outside wearing a “Sue Ellen is a Lush and I Love Her” t-shirt.

    I think that was a stream of consciousness. But I’m done, for now. Off to watch Eric and Luke. LOVED reading the live blog comments btw!

    And also… I very much doubt that Tony has read this, god knows I’d bored MYSELF by the second sentence…. but what’s with the upcoming C4 piece? What is it and when can we expect it?

    • BuryTheNuts2

      This post has been savored with my first cup of coffee.
      Imma read it again two more times!!!

      edit: Your second paragraphs are always deadly!!!

      • hogarthian

        STOP! …. I present an illusion of literacy that is all smoke and mirrors. Read it again and it won’t make sense.

        • BuryTheNuts2

          Sorry, but you are busted as the literary giant you will someday be.

          I really want the “Sue Ellen is a Lush and I Love Her” t-shirt.

          • hogarthian

            Fuck it, I’m gonna get some printed. I’d suggest we go for V neck, longer length, slightly form fitting, three quarter sleeves… way more flattering on women of a certain age (I’m presuming you are… ). Shall I put you down for one?

            • sugarplumfairy

              Oh, Hoggy.. You started out with such promise.. And then, with just a few unnecessary words about a certain age, came crashing down in a brilliant and fiery display..

              I’ll hold him down while you smack him, Bury..

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Him is a her and I since I turn 54 next month…she is right!
              Besides…I have zero age related anxiety because my brain is a 12 year old.

            • Observer

              Hmmm, a lot of us seem to be the same age around here … my 54th is later this year …

            • sugarplumfairy

              Lol.. Never mind then..

            • hogarthian

              Oh Sugartits!…. NOW I get why you blew me out when I said I had a crush on you. oh LOLLAGE! ****, do I really sound like a bloke? Oh well, never mind eh.

              Shall I put you down for a t shirt? ;-)

            • hogarthian

              And who, may I ask, has the courage of their convictions to reveal that they gave this post a thumbs down? Really?!

            • sugarplumfairy

              It’s the sugar***s.. Just can’t get past it.. Doesn’t matter whether it comes from a male or a female or whether or not it’s meant as a compliment.. Call me a fuddy duddy, bit I’d still have to deck whoever says it..

              And if you promise never to call me that again, I’ll take a dozen shirts.. Make mine wife beaters..

            • hogarthian

              oooooooooo….. ok. I get it. I’m torn, with that label, to be honest. Because in my world (in my head) it means you’re a bit of a minx, a bit scary, a bit good looking, a bit clever…. but always a term of endearment. But then I’m not male, so I have no clue what a man may be thinking when he uses it. Right, apologies again. I absolutely will not, ever, use it again. Pinkie promise.

            • sugarplumfairy

              No problemo, hogarthian.. I’m loving your input and your personality.. Your sausage comment to Dennis was classic.. keep ‘dm coming and I’ll try not to be such a stick in the mud..

            • hogarthian

              You’re not a stick in the mud at all. I’m sometimes enough to try the patience of a saint!

            • Midwest Mom

              I think you’re right. I don’t care for that phrase, either. It sounds like a porno movie title!

              Also, a down vote isn’t a bullet in the chest. I get them, too. For the most part, I think that people at this blogsite use them very sparingly. Also, whomever left it may have already logged off. Most people don’t linger for very long after they’ve read Tony’s article.

            • hogarthian

              I suppose I think that sugar**** is SO offensive that no one could possibly use it with the aim of offending someone. However! that’s twice I’ve had my wrist slapped for it…. there won’t be a third!

            • Observer

              You have a fan!

            • hogarthian

              Back the truck up!… I’m a 45 year old lady (woman, female whatever). And, like Bury… have the mental age of a prepubescent.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Perfect style. Absolutely!

        • i-Betty

          You lot are making me roar today :D

    • SciWatcher

      Yeah, what is especially sad about the Hagman place is that, as the article in the Ventura County Star says, it took the Hagmans a long time to sell the place because they were “discerning” about who they were willing to sell it to: “It took awhile emotionally to release the property…What they wanted was to sell to a buyer who was ‘going to love and make use of the place in the way that they could hope someone would because they called it Heaven.'”http://www.vcstar.com/news/2013/apr/05/scientology-linked-nonprofit-buys-larry-hagmans/#ixzz2Ph24ykW9

      • RMycroft

        I wonder what fake front Scientology/Narconon used this time?

      • hogarthian

        Yup, I got that too. Not very discerning at all then.

        • stillgrace

          Neither Mr. or Mrs. Hagman had anything to do with the choice of buyers. He passed away and she has dementia. Pity. Sad.

          • Missionary Kid

            Well, in a way, the sale was appropriate: the buyers have dementia, too.

    • Trustmeonthis

      That’s what happens when you sell Heaven to the Scilons.

    • Artoo45

      I noticed that the comments were disabled for that article. I hope the neighbors take your advice and get those tees made, although I don’t think they’re most likely a tight ‘hood. Though it’s amazing how the most fractious and indifferent group of billionaires can come together when . . . “undesirables” are at the gate.

  • Midwest Mom

    Now that Tony is busy typing away and somewhat distracted, does anyone else think that his Smersh Madness contest was just a clever ruse to distract people from figuring out the identity of the real Smersh, the proprietor of this blog, Tony Ortega?

    Who else but Smersh would create such an ingenious way of deflecting attention away from himself in order to remain undetected?

    Well played Ortega. Well played.

    • hogarthian

      I did cross my mind that Tony may be TC, in a damage limitation exercise, a blog he could produce in evidence when he is finally forced to wade through the manure. But then I remembered that I am now paranoid.

    • jensting

      Zounds! Number One has been rumbled! Dispatch Number Eighteen to administer Severe Punishment by Kitten!!

  • Ms. B. Haven

    COURSE SUPERVISOR: Hey Sally (new Comm Course student), I’m going to have Charlie here work with you on TR-0.
    SALLY: What do I do?
    COURSE SUPERVISOR: Read your materials. It says, “the objective of TR-0 is to get the student to be able to be there and comfortably confront.”
    CHARLIE: Start!

    • Bella Legosi

      omg i totally visualized that and got creeped right the f**k out! Thanks!

      • RMycroft

        Now visualize Blinkless TRs. Start!

        • Bella Legosi

          No No NO

  • Observer

    “We’re talking about Charles Manson, diminutive cult leader and ward of the state of California.” Hmmm, that sounds like Davey Miscavige, diminutive cult leader and hopefully soon-to-be-ward of the federal government. Davey dresses better though.

    That’s quite a list of lawsuits NarCONon Arrowhead has pulled in. Hopefully the fallout from that will be enough to spike whatever intentions Scientology has for its presumed celebrity “rehab” in Ojai.

    Hip hip hooray for Pete Griffiths! And I must add that that is the filthiest padlock I have ever seen. Did they dig it up out of someone’s garden?

    • Bella Legosi

      Too bad Little Boots mind was turned into crazy soup from the overdose of L Rons awful science fiction and not from mega doses of LSD. I would give my right titty to see the Demented Midget ramble on…..oh wait :) my mind just got blown 50ft out of its self! I have seen him ramble on, but nothing near as entertaining and indicteing as Manson’s parole hearings.

  • dennis l erlich

    The first job I was assigned on Staff at LA Org was searching for all documents relating to Manson and turning them over to the GO.

    • BosonStark

      So how many documents were there Dennis, boxes of them?

    • Midwest Mom

      Did you read any of the contents?

      • dennis l erlich

        Nuttin honey.

        • Midwest Mom

          Thank you for the reply, Dennis! :)

    • BuryTheNuts2

      MOAR please.

      • dennis l erlich

        That’s all. Big frantic search.

    • hogarthian

      errrrrr….. HELLO? You’re selling a sausage with no filling! You need to spill. ;-)

      • dennis l erlich

        Hello yourself! I know you’re used to Tony and crew teasing you continually, but that’s not my thing.

        There’s not much more to the story. I was very new on post at the time. It was late ’67 and I was freshly assigned to the post of Materials Clerk I/C in the Dept of RAM. I had a tiny closet of supplies (precious toilet paper and stationary in those days) for which I was responsible. Manson was all over the news and everyone in the org was told to search for and deliver to the GO any docs with his name on it. It was a frantic effort and I was assigned the attic of the building to search through. I spent the day looking thru dusty CF and Mimeo files and found nothing. Since I was a toad’l newby ronbot, nobody told me any of the results of the search. But clearly there were dox linking Manson to LAO or the search wouldn’t have been so frantic.

        D
        ps. hog, im not selling anything. dems da fax

        • stillgrace

          Thanks for the update. So all this happened before the murders in 1969. Wow. He must have been giving off clues of craziness years before … for the GO to be covering their butts.

        • grundoon

          Thanks Dennis!

        • hogarthian

          I was kidding…. I should have said “Really!? That’s interesting!…. tell us everything!” ;-)

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      So… find anything interesting?

    • stillgrace

      Do you remember the words they used when they assigned you this job? Roughly?

      • dennis l erlich

        Yes. “Go up to the attic and search thru all those boxes of documents for any that mention Charles Manson and bring them to the GO office immediately without reading them.”

        • RMycroft

          Find documents that mention Charles Manson without reading them. Hmmm, I guess they expected you to use OT powers or something.

          • dennis l erlich

            Ordered just to look for the name and nothing else.

  • http://www.facebook.com/VictoriaPandora Victoria Pandora

    Hagmans house really does look like a little slice of heaven. I wonder how many hits of LSD were enjoyed in this idyllic setting?
    The house lists as off grid/solar powered.
    Well, the church has a reputation for not paying the electric bill, so that probably works out.
    And it has a helipad,so no need for a tunnel entrance I suppose.
    Larry’s place in Santa Monica recently sold also, although I am guessing that is nothing to do with the clams.

    • Captain Howdy

      I doubt there mas much drug taking going on seeing as how Hagman was so up-tight he sued his neighbor in Malibu for smoking..on his own property!

    • Missionary Kid

      You can see the two solar arrays close to the house. They’re to the west and the north-east of the house, which is about 0.37 miles south of the “Maher Mount, Ojai, CA” marker that shows up on Google Earth.

    • Missionary Kid

      Douglas D. Douglas pointed out: Just copy and paste this into the GoogleEarth search window:
      34°24’26″N119°10’13″W

  • Chocolate Velvet

    Oh boy! Charlie is one of my favorite topics. I have been fascinated by the Manson family and the Tate – Labianca murders since I was a kid. Glad you brought him into the mix, Tony.

    • Captain Howdy

      Have you read “The Family” by Ed Sanders? It’s my favorite book about the family. Bruce Davis was suppose to be paroled this year, but I just read that Jerry Brown blocked his parole.

      • Chocolate Velvet

        Yep, I read Sanders but it’s been awhile.

        I doubt if any of them will ever be paroled. Especially the ones who were originally sentenced to death. Susan Atkins couldn’t even get a compassionate release when she was dying of brain cancer. Tex became a jailhouse minister. Leslie has been dressing up as a suburban mom for her hearings since the first one. But California cuts them no slack. Good on Jerry Brown for keeping Davis in prison.

        • Captain Howdy

          John Waters and Leslie Van Houten are friends, and he has been trying to get her paroled for years.The Manson Family members and Sirhan Sirhan will never be paroled for political reasons. There have been no shortage of murderers released in CA. since they committed their crimes.

          • Poison Ivy

            Leslie Van Houten has been a model prisoner and, according to testimony, only stabbed her victims (the LaBiancas) after they were dead, while on LSD and under intense pressure from more senior Manson leaders. She was not present at the Sharon Tate murders. She was one of the first to implicate Charlie and her lawyer was murdered for influencing her to come clean. Waters believes she was an accomplice, not a brutal killer, and doesn’t deserve the same punishment as the others convicted for the murders. He also believes (quite rightly I think) that she has not been under Charlie’s influence since the trial and would be of no danger to anyone. After doing some research on the murders for a project, I tend to agree with him. But Bugliosi still maintains she minimized her role in the LaBianca’s murder. I agree – I think she’ll be in there forever.

            • Chocolate Velvet

              Leslie did not know they were dead when she stabbed them, although I would say it’s just as horrible either way.

              The LaBiancas’ daughter has never recovered from her parents’ murder — she is the one who deserves parole, and to be befriended by a famous writer/director. No one even knows her name.

              Father butchered, with the word “war” carved in his stomach and a serving fork left stabbed into his body. Mother left with her dress over her head and her lower body exposed. Both bound and subjected to bizarre mind games before they were killed. Rosemary heard her husband being killed, apparently.

              Then there’s the fact that all of them, including poor innocent Leslie, hung around in the kitchen and ate food before they left. Leslie is the only one who got a re-trial, because her attorney disappeared during the original proceedings. How did she use her freedom from Charlie and prison? Why, to hook up with another bad guy and get involved in more criminal activity! And always, Leslie plays the victim and claims she was just in over her head. Yeah, her and every other con in prison. I don’t buy it. She had ample opportunity, as all of them did, to refuse or escape. Regardless of what she claims now.

              Ok, now I’m done ranting. Really. I have laundry to fold! :)

            • Chocolate Velvet

              I think the victims in the Manson murders are often brushed aside in fascination with the perpetrators. This is sick.  It is why Sharon Tate’s mother, and at least one sister became involved in victim’s rights.  Here’s a little something from the Tate family website about Leslie.

              “In the years since her first trial Leslie Van Houten has spent a lot of time minimizing her guilt in the Labianca murders. At times she has told the parole board that she takes responsibility for the death of both Mr. and Mrs. Labianca – as well she should since she was an active participant in the murders committed at the Labianca home in the early morning hours of August 10th, 1969. Other times she has said that she is not responsible for the murder of Mr. Labianca at all. And she has repeatedly lessened her involvement in the murder of Mrs. Labianca, saying that she believes Mrs. Labianca was dead when she stabbed her.

              In an article in the Los Angeles Times in December 1980 Van Houten downplayed her guilt in relation to other members of the Manson Family saying:

              “Pat and Susan have a lot more to live with than I do.” 

              Apparently she was under the assumption that she was less guilty than Krenwinkel and Atkins because her body count was not as high as theirs.

              Leslie was convicted of the murder of both Leno and Rosemary Labianca – twice. Once in a verdict that didn’t stand and once in a verdict that did. She is guilty of both murders.

              Instead of accepting that, instead of understanding that by entering the Labianca home with the intention of murder, by holding down Mrs. Labianca so she could be stabbed, by calling for Watson to come help when she and Krenwinkel could not complete the job, by stabbing Mrs. Labianca herself, by covering up the evidence – she murdered the Labiancas – Leslie chooses to play Semantics with the [parole] board.”

              Please, remember the victims and have sympathy for their families.

              From: http://tatefamilylegacy.com/lvh.html

            • Poison Ivy

              CV, I respect your opinion….and I agree, nothing can compensate the LaBianca’s daughter (and friends, and rest of family) for the horror they endured. For that alone, she’ll remain in prison for life and perhaps she does deserve to. You may know a lot more about it than I do – I don’t know about her new bad guy and criminal activity, for instance. I guess I have mixed feelings partly because of the research I read (possibly biased – although I’ve read Bugliosi and talked to him about it) and also because, as we see here, when you are under the sway of a madman, cult mind control is not to be underestimated, particularly when mixed with powerful hallucinogenics. Doesn’t take away the heinous crime, though. You are right about that.

          • Chocolate Velvet

            True. But these folks set out to make an extraordinary mark on society, and they did. They will never be treated like other murderers, and they authored their own fate. Sirhan too. Oh well.

            Plus, the Tate-LaBianca group were sentenced to death — and they escaped that fate, due to the supreme court IIRC. Parole enough, IMO.

            Maybe I’m a hard ass, but I think all murderers should be locked up for life — but that fate has been reserved for “third strikers” in Cali. Folks given 25 to life for bullshit crimes and petty theft.

            Grrrrr. Don’t get me started on the “justice” system. I am in some ways an idealist and there is so much corruption and outrageous abuse in the criminal system.

            That being said, I have fuck-all for sympathy for the Mansonites. John Waters is a creative genius, but he got suckered by Leslie. She’s apparently been violent, selfish and manipulative since she was a child, and she is right where she belongs.

            End of rant. :)

  • 0tessa

    The celebrities are warned: they appear to be the primary focus group of Sciencefictology. Lots of drugs and rock and roll to get rid of. And lots of money available of course. The big parasite has found a new host.

    • RMycroft

      In the past, Scientology has been of two minds about celebrities with drug addictions. On the one hand, they want to use them for PR, on the other, they have to be careful that the celebrities don’t crash and burn later like Jeff Conaway or David Carradine. (In those cases, the Scientology connection was successfully obscured in the media splash.)

    • hogarthian

      A new host?… I see where you’re coming from, but I don’t think it’s new. Just a new incarnation of the old protocol.

    • Ze Moo

      Even in a alcoholic, drug addled state celubutards and their current entourage won’t want to share the wealth with Lrons minions. Scamatology likes to do market research, they may actually have a market just within their own ranks of whales.

  • Observer

    Since I was banished to the bedroom to watch Rock Center last night because hubby wanted to play Bioshock Infinite, and since my poor old iPad was gagging on Disqus so badly that I finally gave up trying to post, I want take this opportunity to congratulate Luke and Eric. You came across as intelligent, truthful, and ethical (in the true sense of the word). And I’m not just saying that because I already know you’re all those things. You did very, very well.

    I am confident in my assumption that many sets of underwear were crapped in the kingdom of Scientology last night.

    • Artoo45

      Hear! Hear! The two of them were full of win and yes, the crappage must have been epic in Hemet and Clearwater last night.

      • Poison Ivy

        We DVR’d it for later. But congrats Luke and Eric all the same.

    • MissCandle

      I agree with you, Observer. They both were great.

  • Ze Moo

    A high maintenance rehab for ‘clebs’ is very much in scamatologies tradition. As you are welcomed to the rehab by Kirstie Alley with a sumptuous breakfast, (don’t get between Kirstie and the bacon), you’ll begin your sauna detox. Imagine, sweating the ‘toxins’ out of your body while Kirstie Alley talks you through the wit and wisdom of Lron Hubbard.

    After ‘curing’ the addict, they will become his/her ‘pr rep’, his/her ‘hair consultant’ and of course his/her ‘feng shui contractor’. All this can be yours for 50% of your income, and your personality and soul.

  • SP ‘Onage

    Tom Cruise was too busy winning the “Wogs” hearts and minds, eff his own Thetans. The Dublin mission probably walked out because Tom didn’t even acknowledge them. It’s pretty damn funny, Tommy had time for a Wog private tour of the Guinness brewery and a lesson on pouring the perfect pint, but couldn’t find the time to visit Dublin’s dying mission.

    I guess that’s the way, “Big Beings” roll.

    • Observer

      And the sooner the rank and file Scilons realize that their adored Big Being #3 considers them degraded beings along with us wogs, the sooner Tombelina will be toppled off the pedestal they’ve put him on. It’s all good.

  • BosonStark

    Whoa! Charles Manson, 150 hours of auditing. The shredders must’ve short circuited at the Scientology compound for that.

    It’s really surprising that Narconon didn’t have a Scilebrity Center Narconon (Scilebonon?) before this. I thought it might be because some celebrities who have drug problems just attract too much attention and if they relapsed, it’d be like a public failure for the technology of L. Ron Hubtard.

  • BosonStark

    So, who audited Charles Manson, and were there any clues that he was a bit different? He probably got a lot of floating needles and was considered very high toned.

  • jensting

    I like more lawsuits against the narCONon front organisation of the $cientology crime organisation.

    For those of us who had so far not bothered to look up the details of the case that shut narCONon down in France, Clark Kent – oops, ‘scuse me – Jonny Jacobsen, has done a lovely piece: http://infinitecomplacency.blogspot.com/2013/04/ignoring-epilepsy-i_3446.html

    (Sorry of this has been mentioned earlier, I somehow didn’t get ’round to wrestling 700+ comments out of Disqus.)

  • sugarplumfairy

    Irish padlocks are much prettier than ours..

    • Missionary Kid

      It looks like an old-fashioned Chinese lock.

  • Ze Moo

    “The church has a baroque flair for imaginative persecution”. We may have a winner in the understatement of the year contest. It is nice to see the history of CO$ acknowledged.

  • Douglas D. Douglas

    I am still reading comments, and have no idea if anyone is commenting on that puff piece about the Hawaiian House of Representatives. The google search turned up at least one group that was paying attention: The Hawaii Free Press. (Free Press? Sounds so suspicious!)

    http://www.hawaiifreepress.com/ArticlesMain/tabid/56/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/9220/Scientology-Hawaii-House-Resolution-Honors-Group-Tied-to-Torture-Concentration-Camps.aspx

    Here’s the headline:
    Scientology: Hawaii House Resolution Honors Group Tied to ‘Torture’, ‘Concentration Camps’

    Also, couldn’t resist sharing a screen grab I got when I checked another of the results. This has not been altered in any way:

    • stillgrace

      WWP started a thread on this.

      Rida Cabanilla needs a serious wake-up call to reality. I’m on it. If anyone wants to join me:

      Rida T.R. Cabanilla – 41st Representative District
      Hawaii State Capitol, Room 442
      415 South Beretania Street, Honolulu, HI 96813
      Phone: 586-6080; fax 586-6081
      E-mail: repcabanilla@capitol.hawaii.gov
      Website: http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/memberpage.aspx?member=cabanilla
      Website: http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov

      • Observer

        Any dox referenced in correspondence should include LRH’s racism. Only about 25% of Hawaii’s population is Caucasian. There are many more Asians than whites, including Ms. Cabanilla Arakawa herself.

        • stillgrace

          I’m covering the gamut. BTW: my favorite comment from WWP: Don’t they have the internet in Hawaii?

          • http://www.facebook.com/ToryMagoo44 Tory Christman

            That IS perfect, still grace, and I will join you re Hawaiian reps. ! I think that for the few I’ve spoken w/ recently whose kids have joined Scn or the Sea Org. Thankfully, one called me yesterday BEFORE signing his contract. 17 years old! I said:
            “PUT YOUR MOTHER ON THE PHONE”<<< yes, Caps! :) She got on, I asked, "Do you understand what's going on here?" She was 100% against he doing it, so together we got him to "See the light". ((And OSA? FU! FAIL once more!! You= -19 this month Net=+100 educated and NOT joining. (rough estimate) :) Love to all, Tory/Magoo

            • stillgrace

              You saved his future, and maybe his life!

            • http://www.facebook.com/ToryMagoo44 Tory Christman

              Amen! This is true w/ each person we help get out…certainly keeping those from getting suckered “in”. Thankfully, due to ALL the critics..this is happening, daily! :)

            • Midwest Mom

              Wow! I’m so glad he called you. Thanks for being there for him; you made such a significant difference in his life!

            • Poison Ivy

              Tory, you are doing the real work. You and Luke and Eric and the rest of the vocal exes here. Bless you.

            • ParticleMom

              Go Tory!

            • LisaIsRemembered

              Great job Tory! One kid saved :)

      • Midwest Mom

        Great job, Grace! You are supa cool!

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Robert-Eckert/100002715429426 Robert Eckert

      Screen grab failed to make it through Disqus. At least, I don’t see it.

  • roger weller

    i also got cleo in to Scientology, she died a while back, alan became an illegal p.c. suicide tendency’s i heard, neil brown started the main mission in albany then troy moved away in 1970 to ca. i wasnt around ,dont know a moose or poose, are you from that area, you know all the names/

  • SP ‘Onage

    Why, hello! Look what I found, the lyrics to one of Manson’s songs with some sci-speak (postulated, mocked up) in it.

    So Lisa Marie Presley wasn’t the first scientology singer to use scilon words in a song. You can hear him singing “Mechanical Man” on youtube.

    Mechanical Man

    I am a mechanical man, a mechanical man
    And I do the best I can
    Because I have my Family
    I am a mechanical boy
    I am my mother’s toy
    And I play in the backyard sometimes
    I am a mechanical boy
    It’s an illusion
    Postulated, mocked up
    Through confusion
    Confusion, it’s an illusion
    Utter confusion
    Live on in your illusion
    That won’t wear out
    I had a little monkey
    And I sent him to the country
    And I fed him ginger bread
    Along came a choo choo
    And knocked my monkey koo koo
    And now my monkey’s dead
    You’re so mechanical and you go and lay down
    And I wonder how
    A brown cow could say…

    • BuryTheNuts2

      Is it wrong that I like these lyrics?

      • stillgrace

        I know what you mean!

      • SP ‘Onage

        LOL! :D

      • SP ‘Onage

        You think he’s singing about scientology? Confusion, it’s an illusion – Along came L Ron’s choo choo, maybe? heh!

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Wasn’t this song on the Masked Marauders album…?

      • SP ‘Onage

        I don’t know? I found it on youtube.

      • Artoo45

        Holy shit! Did you love that segment or what? I was only a kid when that happened, and I can’t believe my older sister didn’t have that album! I love a good parody, well, one without prison camps and body counts.

    • Captain Howdy

      The Beach Boys did a cover of Manson’s “Cease to Exist” which they renamed “Never Learn Not to Love”. First band I was in we did a cover of “Garbage Dump”. AT one point Black Flag was going to do a whole album of Manson covers but that was scrapped for unknown reasons. The Black Flag 4 bar symbol is suppose to represent doing the “creepy crawl”.

      • stillgrace

        Really? How do you know this? This idea is giving me the “creeps”.

        From WIKI: “When the band found it necessary to change their name from Panic in 1977, it was Pettibon who suggested the new name Black Flag and designed their iconic logo: four vertical black rectangles comprising a stylized rippling black flag.

        The logo evoked a number of meanings: it was the polar opposite of a white flag of surrender, as well as a symbol for anarchism and a traditional emblem of pirates.[33] As the band gained popularity the logo was graffitied on numerous highway overpasses and other public and private surfaces in and around Los Angeles, drawing the attention of the authorities and contributing to an increase in police presence at Black Flag shows.”

        Henry Rollins was a pen pal of Manson:
        http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2010/dec/15/henry-rollins-charles-manson

        • Captain Howdy

          I know because it was common knowledge in the CA punk scene and Raymond said say so in interviews. Of course it’s the anarchist “Black Flag”, but The up and down of the bars is suppose to be someone “creepin”. Pettibone had Charlie on one album cover and used Manson references on other.Black Flag art work. Black Flag was supposedly responsible for getting a 6 hr Manson interview smuggled out of prison, which was broadcast on KALX in it’s entirety in ‘8!. Charlie was the only hippie we punks could relate to.

          • stillgrace

            I did not know this! I was never a big fan of the band, but I did attend a concert in LA with friends. The next day I had a bruise the diameter of a salad plate on my thigh, with no idea how I got it.

            • Captain Howdy

              Ha Ha..you got off lucky.

      • SP ‘Onage

        Everyday I learn something new when I am here.

      • FLUNK_101

        Isn’t the “Black Flag 4 bar symbol” tattooed on the back of Henry Rollins’ neck?

        I’ve seen him twice doing spoken word, and once with The Rollins Band.

        • Captain Howdy

          Yea and he has the “search and destroy” runnin across his back..Henry was 4th singer BF had, but people who “know”, consider Dez Cadena the best.

    • Captain Howdy
      • Missionary Kid

        Today the picture would be of Dinky Mindfuck.

  • Douglas D. Douglas

    Hmmm. Just read through the resolution that was passed in Hawaii. Here’s one of the “Whereases:”

    “WHEREAS, the Church of Scientology’s drug rehabilitation program, Narconon, has implemented the technology created by its founder, L. Ron Hubbard, to assist drug addicts with recovery without the use of other, substitute drugs or medications;”

    So in Hawaii the legislature is commending Scientology for Narconon, while other states are in investigating Scientology for the abuses their citizens have suffered under Narconon. Wonder if Rep. Rida Cabanilla (the sponsor of the resolution) was watching NBC last night…

    (The full text of the resolution is available here: http://www.hawaiifreepress.com/ArticlesMain/tabid/56/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/9220/Scientology-Hawaii-House-Resolution-Honors-Group-Tied-to-Torture-Concentration-Camps.aspx)

    • stillgrace

      I wonder if she is even aware of $cientology’s evil deeds and all their weasel front groups.

      • Artoo45

        She is now. If she reads her email, that is.

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        What about the possibility that she IS a Scilon? Seems likely if this was not the first instance of her bringing up “positive” Scilon activities.

    • SP ‘Onage

      Isn’t that Kelly Preston’s home state?

      • Midwest Mom

        Yes! Her mother still lives there.

  • Artoo45

    Good Saturday matierial from the Bunker! I sent off a respectul and concerned email and letter sent to Representative Cabilla with reading list, both online and analog. I hope she reads her flood of incoming mail. The NYRB review was really thoughtful and thorough. The author seemed suitably creeped out by my two favorite of the current crop of EEE (Edifying Enturbulating Entheta). Uh oh. I’ve created an another acronym. I think I’ve been spending too much time down in The Bunker . . .

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Need more to send messages to Rep. Cabanilla. Compliments of WWP (and stillgrace):

      Rida T.R. Cabanilla – 41st Representative District
      Hawaii State Capitol, Room 442
      415 South Beretania Street, Honolulu, HI 96813
      Phone: 586-6080; fax 586-6081
      E-mail: repcabanilla@capitol.hawaii.gov
      Website: http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/memberp...
      Website: http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov

      • stillgrace

        Actually, I didn’t find the address on WWP, I googled Legislators of Hawaii. I hope Anonymous has the address and are writing. I’ve lurked there for years, but don’t post.

        • BuryTheNuts2

          How come?
          I don’t post very much there, but sometimes….
          I save my verbosity for Tony!
          Lucky guy!

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          Good for you. And thanks.

    • Sidney18511

      What a fool that woman is! I tried to find her email myself and had no luck. Her term is up in Nov. 2014, so I really doubt she will give a shite. We should probably send our info to the Hawaiin ledgeslation.

  • Captain Howdy

    Still FUBARED eh?

    • BuryTheNuts2

      Disqus needs Klonopin

    • Observer

      I’m starting to think the multiple page thing is a new “feature”.

  • TonyOrtega

    Got my hands on the new Narconon lawsuit, so I’ve put up a new post for it.

    • Missionary Kid

      Thanks, Tony.

  • Missionary Kid

    How to find what I believe is the former Larry Hagman house, now owned by the Church of $cientology using Google Earth or Google maps:
    Google the neighbor to the north-east, “Meher Mount, Ojai, CA.” The marker that appears is on the wrong side (north) of Sulphur Mountain Road, opposite the Meher Mount Spiritual Retreat, which is at a higher elevation than the Hagman house. Google Maps shows a supposed road between the retreat and the house. There isn’t.

    Go to Satellite view in Google Maps.

    DO NOT GOOGLE THE ADDRESS THAT FOLLOWS. GOOGLE MAPS AND GOOGLE EARTH WILL PUT YOU ABOUT A MILE WEST OF ITS REAL LOCATION. I GOT THE ADDRESS OFF OF THE IMAGE IN GOOGLE STREET VIEW.The address for the former Larry Hagman house appears to be 9950 Sulphur Mountain Road,

    For those of you with Google Earth, I believe the house is located at:
    34 Degrees 24 Minutes 26 Seconds North
    119 Degrees 10 Minutes 13 Seconds West at 2462 feet elevation.

    At the road, (using Google Street view) it appears there is a sculpture of an eagle atop the address marker and a turquoise colored wrought iron gate. The second gate along the driveway, where there’s a gate house, seen in regular Google Earth, appears to be about 3 tenths of a mile on an older paved road that runs in a zig-zag south from Sulphur Mountain Road.

    From the gate house, it is then another 3 tenths of a mile to the house on the better paved driveway which loops around the south side of the house to the east side.

    On Google Maps, it shows the driveway continuing back up to the Meher Mount retreat and back to Sulphur Mountain Road. That is a mistake. There is NO road between the Meher Mount retreat and the $cientology operated property.

    To find the entry for the former Larry Hagman property, in Google Maps, proceed west on Sulphur Mountain Road from the Meher Mount marker about 600′ It is the second turnoff to the south. The first one to the south, 500 ft. west appears to be the entrance to Meher Mount Retreat.

    The driveway proceeds south from Sulphur Mountain Road past an orchard to the west, and continue south until the road loops east and back north to the house.

    • Midwest Mom

      Thanks!

      • Missionary Kid

        I spent hours looking for it after the broadcast last night. There are a couple of other large houses along that road, but they either didn’t have the right type of roof (tile) or pools around it. I gave up, then started again today. I don’t mean to be a stalkerazzi, but it’s Co$, after all.

        This is a property that they can get their money out of, eventually. They’ve dumped a bunch of money on LRH’s death ranch and the place in N.M., where they’ll never get anywhere near the money they put into them. I’ve marked them on Google Earth, too.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Just copy and paste this into the GoogleEarth search window:
      34°24’26″N119°10’13″W

      You will go straight to the location.
      (And thanks for the info!)

      • Missionary Kid

        Thanks. I’ll use that format in the future.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Chuck-Beatty/1631176570 Chuck Beatty

    I love the New York Review of Books!

    I subscribed to it after quitting my 27 years in the Sea Org (I was long ago, in 1974-1975 a subscriber of NYRB before I joined the Sea Org in 1975).

    It’s one of my all time favorite mags, i get it on my Ereader Nook today.

    I highly recommend it for putting the whole world in perspective.

    .

  • disqus_0MHNN90X5s

    Robert de Grimston (Process Church of Final Judgment )-:

    “Release the Fiend that lies dormant within you, for he is
    strong and ruthless, and his power is far beyond the bounds of human frailty.
    Again I say; Release the Fiend within you! Release the Fiend! Release the
    Fiend! And the Fiend shall conquer, and the chaff be burned. Release the Fiend!
    And stride with SATAN’S army to the End.”

  • http://www.facebook.com/ToryMagoo44 Tory Christman

    My guess, re the new building is it will be a Celebrity Center “Ideal Org” ARGH.

  • ScamProof

    Holy cow! What are they smoking in Hawaii? Do politicians never check out an organization before commending it unanimously? I’m stunned.

  • Shannon

    I have family that live in Ojai and the people I know on facebook from there are NOT happy. It’s gonna cause a problem I’m sure. I’d send them this site but their heads might explode!

  • phil seiflein

    Hmm, no wonder they dropped the price in half- no one else would touch it with the Micro-wave Doppler radar tower dumping radiation all day and night. Hagman accounts his cancer and possibly his mother’s as a result of exposure to it. His wife has lost her memory as well. wonder how they’ll explain this to the celeb’s who fry there?

    He(Hagman) claims he doesn’t know how much it’s worth but the Ventura County Assessor’s Office conservatively pegs the value of the 23000-square-foot compound and its spectacular 32-acre setting at just under $3 million.

    The Hagmans moved there in 1991. Two years later — surreptitiously over the Thanksgiving holiday some claim — the National Weather Service erected the 100-foot tower designed to closely monitor weather from Lompoc to Long Beach and 100 miles out to sea. Contending the white monolith is ugly unneeded and possibly a major health hazard the Hagmans and others have demanded that it be relocated. Weather Service officials steadfastly refuse saying the tower’s location is crucial to its vital function closely tracking the Pacific’s powerful storms.

    Read more: http://www.vcstar.com/news/2012/nov/24/two-visits-to-larry-hagmans-heaven/?preventMobileRedirect=1#ixzz2RNk3jNtf

    – vcstar.com

    http://www.people.com/people/archive/article/0,,20101902,00.html

    A 10-bedroom chateau with breathtaking views, the Ojai place was our dream home, and we named it Heaven—that’s actually the address I use on my stationery. But a scary situation developed there that I think is partially to blame for the tumor that doctors would eventually find in my liver. In 1993 the National Weather Service put up a tower for Doppler radar, which warns of severe weather conditions, 800 yards from my house. It’s 68 feet tall, topped by a forest-green metal ball, 30 feet in diameter, that pulses 24 hours a day, emitting low-level microwave radiation. The government informed us that the tower posed no health risks, but I hired an independent radar specialist and found out that my house, which is on the neighboring mountain, receives what I consider unacceptable levels of radiation. A woman who lived right next door to the tower has developed three tumors—and a child from a family who lives on the hill across from me was born with a hyperthyroid condition. And then I came down with my thing.

    Last June 22 I went in for a routine blood test, and the results indicated something irregular. So I had a CAT scan and an MRI. The tests showed a small tumor measuring 2.7 by 2.8 centimeters. I met with Dr. Leonard Makowka, director of transplantation services for Cedars-Sinai Medical Center, who had operated on my mother, Mary Martin, when she had cancer in 1988. Dr. Makowka didn’t know if the tumor was malignant. But he saw it was pressed up against a vein, and it didn’t look good. He ordered a biopsy and several other tests.

    Maj and I were in Santa Fe when the doctor called and told us the tumor was cancerous. Till then we thought the liver would somehow stay healthy and even regenerate. The news hit Maj hard. We will have been married 41 years this December. She suddenly realized our time together might be very limited. I felt detached. If something is growing inside of your body, why worry? You’ve simply got to do something. I met with specialists, who explained my options. One was a liver transplant. The other was “checking out.”

    He spells it out in his book;

    http://books.google.com/books?id=G-wsOpPxHjEC&pg=PA238&lpg=PA238&dq=larry+hagman+fights+microwave&source=bl&ots=fhGwuM47Od&sig=lRK8w6tzCSGWfIs0kEw5WcAZNHU&hl=en&sa=X&ei=q8t3Ub8ftP2JAqrGgegB&ved=0CHQQ6AEwBjgK#v=onepage&q=larry%20hagman%20fights%20microwave&f=false

    Hagman describes how his neighbor had a defective childbirth, pigeons had deformed babies, and how the emissions caused his cancer as well.

    Two visits to Larry Hagman’s Heaven

    http://www.vcstar.com

    A look back at The Star’s exclusive trips to the late actor’s Ojai retreat