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Blogging Dianetics, Part 9: Hubbard and Perversion!

DianeticsStandardWelcome to our ongoing project, where we blog a 1950 first edition of Scientology’s bible, Dianetics, with the help of ex-Scientologist, Bay Area lawyer, blogger, and author Vance Woodward. Go here for the first post in the series.

Vance, we thought the demons chapter was something. This next one, on “Psycho-Somatic Illness,” is really over the top.

Apparently feeling confident that he’s sold the “reactive mind” as a great discovery, and that the biggest threat to human beings are the engrams stored up in their cells, Hubbard now goes for broke on just what those engrams are capable of and — even more importantly — what miracles his therapy can achieve by removing them.

There’s so much in this chapter we don’t know how we’re going to get through it all. But let’s first get through the lists of illnesses that Hubbard claims are caused by engrams and that his therapy can cure (every time, without fail)…

Arthritis, dermatitis, allergies, asthma, some coronary difficulties, eye trouble, bursitis, ulcers, sinusitis…Bizarre aches and pains in various portions of the body…Migraine headaches are psycho-somatic and, with the others, are uniformly cured by dianetic therapy…the common cold has been found to be psycho-somatic. Clears do not get colds. Just what, if any, part the virus plays in the common cold is not known, but it is known that when engrams about colds are lifted, no further colds appear — which is a laboratory fact not so far contradicted by 270 cases. The common cold comes about, usually, from an engram which suggests it and which is confirmed by actual mucus present in another engram. A number of germ diseases are predisposed and perpetuated by engrams. Tuberculosis is one.

The emphasis is ours. We just wanted to highlight that Hubbard isn’t convinced that the common cold is caused by a virus — but he is convinced that “clears do not get colds” — and here, finally, on page 93 in this book, we get the first hard number describing the research he claims to have done: 270 cases. But is that 270 cases of people who had colds, and Hubbard somehow determined that their illness was caused by engrams? Or 270 people he’s examined in total? Again, Hubbard gives us no real clue to his methods.

And he’s just getting warmed up about the medical miracles which await his readers.

At the present time dianetic research is scheduled to include cancer and diabetes. There are a number of reasons to suppose that these may be engramic in cause, particularly malignant cancer. This is remarked so that attention may be given to the possibility; no tests of any kind have been made on cancer or diabetic patients, and the thought is purely theory and is not to be taken as any kind of an avowal about a cancer cure.

Yes, careful there, cowboy. You haven’t done any tests, but you feel it in your bones that you’ve got the cure to the Big C. You can’t help dangle that possibility, but even a carnival barker knows his limits.

Vance, there’s so much more here we need to go over, but at this point, what can you tell us about how this chapter affected you or the other Scientologists that you knew. Was coming down with a simple cold some kind of betrayal of Hubbard, particularly if someone was supposed to be clear?

VANCE: I made Hubbard’s big claims a little more palatable with some mental contortions of my own. I didn’t think that, for example, the germ theory of disease was wrong. I figured engrams were a contributing factor. And I interpreted all the big claims as being implicitly qualified, not absolute. So, when Hubbard says, “Clears do not get colds,” I didn’t take that as an absolute.

Where he claims that migraines, arthritis, ulcers and so on are “uniformly cured by Dianetic therapy,” I imagined he must have tracked his samples for a very short period of time afterwards, too short to prove him wrong. Same thing for the 270 people that had their cold-causing engrams lifted.

Yes, I worked rather hard to find ways so that Hubbard wasn’t a complete liar and fraud. The only real problem is that after 22 years, I ran out of money. Bummer. Anyhow, even back when I was participating, it bothered me a little that Hubbard makes these absolute-sounding pronouncements, when he must have meant something more qualified. But I lived with it, hoping that going Clear would at least be beneficial.

Scientologists fall all over the spectrum on their interpretations. But rest assured, there are plenty of Scientologists who believe utterly that, if they were Clear, they would not get any of the listed diseases. And Clears that do get those diseases are no doubt told that the solution is OT III (Xenu time). But wait, if an OT III gets sick … well you get the idea. Besides, Hubbard developed other ideas later on, like the notion that ALL sickness and accidents stem from being connected to a suppressive person (e.g., someone who would dare to suggest that Dianetics is bogus). So, these days, in Scientology, if you get sick, you usually get sent to the Scientology thought police (called Ethics) to figure out who the suppressive person is in your life that’s causing you to become sick.

THE BUNKER: Lets skip ahead, as this chapter really gets good later on.

Hubbard boils down psycho-somatic ills into five categories, and it’s worth going over them, very briefly.

The first category: ills caused by an overabundance or lack of bodily fluids.
The second: ills related to mentally affected growth, whether underdeveloped or overdeveloped body parts, including genitals.
The third: predisposition to illness from chronic pain.
The fourth: lasting illness caused by chronic pain.
The fifth: illness caused by the verbal content of engrams

Just a few pages later, Hubbard turns to sexual perversion.

The sexual pervert (and by this term dianetics, to be brief, includes any and all forms of deviation in Dynamic II such as homosexuality, lesbianism, sexual sadism, etc. and all down the catalogue of Ellis and Krafft-Ebing) is actually quite ill physically. Perversion as an illness has so many manifestations that it must be spread through the entire gamut of classes from (1) to (5) above. Overdevelopment of sexual organs, underdevelopment, seminal inhibition or magnification, etc. are found in one pervert, some in another. And the sum of it is that the pervert is always a very ill person in one way or another, whether he is conscious of it or not.

Homosexuality, overdevelopment of sexual organs, and seminal magnification. Vance, was Hubbard watching too many dirty movies, or what?

VANCE: Oh you have no idea! Well, this, I think, we can blame just as much on the times as Hubbard. This is coming in a day when homosexuality was “unquestionably” a perversion, an official psychiatric disorder. Even writing about this stuff in a non-academic book destined for us unwashed masses was, maybe, a little bold. Maybe not. I wasn’t around then, so I’m just going on my second-hand sense of American culture in 1950. Anyhow, yeah, Hubbard had plenty of issues but this focus on sexual perversion was probably more about selling books in a culture that was attempting to break free of its Victorian past than anything else. That said, it puts a lie to any notion that Hubbard was ahead of his times. Egads. I hope so, at least.

By the way, this chapter is the kind of thing that simply never gets talked about on the inside. It’s the kind of thing that you read and promptly forget. Great, there are five categories of psycho-somatic ills, and we have in one of the categories, just for example, priapism lumped in with diarrhea and sinusitis. Of what possible use could this categorization have other than to consume ink? None as far as I can tell. And sure enough, this classification system never gets mentioned again anywhere in Hubbard’s output so far as I know. And as wonkish as many Scientology addicts are, I never heard a single person say anything like, “Oh, I just alleviated a Class 2b psycho-somatic, thank goodness. That made my pecker shrink two inches such that it is no longer magnified. I’d like to thank COB for maintaining the purity of the tech.”

THE BUNKER: But the part about homosexuality being a problem that dianetics could do something about — that did stick. To this day, former church officials tell us, Scientology considers homosexuality something that needs to be “handled” through auditing. In other words, the church offers a gay cure, and members better take it, or else.

VANCE: Yeah, I think that’s about right. It occurs to me now that it’s probably not a coincidence that I joined the Born this Way Foundation after I left Scientology. As always, those in the Church high and low try to keep their finger on the pulse of the society while at the same time maintaining a drooling adherence of Hubbard’s words. That poses “difficulties” … “sometimes”. Here, it plays out that Scientoloholics simply don’t talk much about gay stuff. Correct that. Twenty years ago, gay culture was often used at fundraisers as a symptom of society’s fall into totally materialistic degradation (and why parishioners must give money now). I give an example in my book, but here’s another: I remember one fundraiser telling us about some flamboyant, limp-wristed Scientologist (judging from the impersonation we were given) who “cognited” (was audited into concluding) that he wasn’t gay but just acted gay, and who followed that up with being happily not gay and finding an oppositely-genitaled sexual partner, or something like that.

In more recent times, the attitude changed. That said, I spent three years (2007-10) very active in the San Francisco Church and knew of only one openly gay couple. The rumor was that they had been (or tried to be) audited into just being live-together best friends, friends without benefits. I rationalized this with, “The Church is merely offering to help those who don’t want to be gay not be gay. It’s not positively telling people they shouldn’t be gay.”

I didn’t see any evidence to contradict that notion. Only now does it occur to me that the story I just relayed to you is evidence of the church’s homophobia. I wasn’t looking for the evidence of anti-gay culture, and I wasn’t seeing it. I certainly wasn’t watching the news. And things like gay rights and gay culture and gay anything simply weren’t discussed at the org.

THE BUNKER: We’ve dealt with Scientology’s current problems with homophobia in other articles. But it’s obvious, from this chapter, to see where the church gets it.

Next week — Blogging Dianetics, Part 10: Killing the Grizzly

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WILL SMITH SPREADS THE LOVE AROUND

For years, Roger Friedman has kept a close watch on Will and Jada Pinkett Smith and their spending on charitable causes. As he says in a new piece, it’s puzzling to see the way the couple spreads their wealth around, funding both Christian and Scientology causes. But their generosity to the latter appears to be dwindling. “The Smiths gave $1,000 to a Scientology fund, thus taking care of Tom Cruise. It’s a steep drop from their initial checks to the cult back in the mid 2000s,” Friedman points out.

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SCIENTOLOGY LOSES ITS RAINMAKER: ATTORNEY GERALD FEFFER, 1942-2013

Gerald Feffer

Gerald Feffer

Some top former Scientology executives tell us that one of the reasons church leader David Miscavige seems unable to pull the organization out of its nosedive is that he has sorely missed the counsel of Jerry Feffer. The Washington DC lawyer was instrumental in lobbying the powerful on behalf of the church, which helped Scientology get so much help from US politicians in the 1990s. His wife, Monique Yingling, is also a top church lawyer, but she has been less visible in recent years during her husband’s illness.

Feffer died on February 13, and a couple of paid obituaries appeared at the New York Times and Washington Post a few days later. A memorial was held on February 18. But no news stories seem to have remarked on Feffer’s passing. A former federal prosecutor, Feffer was later an attorney with Williams & Connolly, an influential DC firm. Miscavige called Feffer for many different tasks. Some of them could be strange.

As we reported in December, for example, it was Feffer who Miscavige relied on to talk to Pat Broeker about his departure from Scientology in the late 1980s. (Miscavige had recently pushed Broeker out of his chance to take the helm of the church.) Miscavige had Broeker under surveillance at the time, and two private eyes were (legally) recording the phone calls he made on a cordless phone. In those conversations, they heard Feffer wrangling with Broeker over whether he could take with him L. Ron Hubbard’s pet parrot and a beat up old pickup truck.

But Feffer also was a tax expert who helped Scientology with its battle with the IRS, culminating in tax-exempt status for the church in 1993.

We asked Mike Rinder for a note about Feffer; Rinder ran Scientology’s Office of Special Affairs and helped oversee the church’s legal affairs until his defection in 2007. He sent us this…

I am saddened by his death and I was sorry when I heard he had Parkinson’s. On a personal level he was a nice guy.

I am sure he has been replaced by someone else the church is paying to be an influence broker. From that perspective, these people are relatively expendable — as long as you have money you can buy influence. I suspect the effect may be greater on Monique — hopefully it will get her to realize there are things more important in life than taking money from Miscavige to do his dirty work for him. After the IRS CID investigation was ended, Gerry was not involved in the day to day activities of Miscavige. Monique has been. If anyone warrants the title of Miscavige consigliere, it’s Monique Yingling.

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Posted by Tony Ortega on February 28, 2013 at 07:00

 

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  • Ziontologist

    At least Hubbard touched base with reality when he wrote the words “actual mucus” … oh … my mistake!

    • BuryTheNuts2

      “At least Hubbard touched base with reality ”

      ^^^ You were already gone when you got this far……..baahaa

    • Missionary Kid

      As opposed to “fake mucus?” 😀

  • Observer

    Just when you think it can’t get any nuttier, it does. “There are a number of reasons to suppose that these may be engramic in cause, particularly malignant cancer.” So there’s benign cancer?

    How does one go from being a federal prosecutor to influencing government to turn a blind eye to a corrupt and criminal cult? It would seem Gerald Feffer’s “ethics” fit right in with those of The Most Ethical People On the Planet. Nice guy or not, the blood of every Scn who died as a result of the “church’s” actions, the grief of every distraught disconnected family member, and the filth of Davey’s “ecclesiastical” actions and directives that occurred on his watch are on his head.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Rinder calling Feffer a nice guy “personally” is like Dick Cheney calling Richard Nixon a nice guy “personally”

      • BuryTheNuts2

        Yeah, but did Feffer ever blast any of his friends with a one ounce load of shot pellets?
        Sorry….must go pour mug number two!

      • Observer

        I find that when referring to the “church” I have to use a lot of sarcastic quotation marks.

      • I can’t stop pronouncing Feffer as Hannibal Lecter smacking his lips (I ate his liver scene).

        • I think what he was doing there was the thing people do at a wine tasting, when they suck air in over the wine in their mouth.

          At least, when I went to a wine tasting, and the leader/instructor guy did that part of the process, it sounded just like the sound Hannibal Lecter makes. It was an epiphany for me.

          Also, Google found this at a winery’s tasting tips:

          http://www.sthilairevineyard.com/our_wines_12.html

          “- Suck in some air and try to aerate the wine. Note: if you sound like Hannibal Lecter you’re doing it right.”

          I assume when Lecter does it it’s in reference to the chianti.

      • RMycroft

        I can just hear Mike Rinder’s voice continuing: “…but professionally, he was a complete asshole…”

    • John P.

      Regarding the death of Gerald Feffer, I had heard from some quarters that Monique Yingling may have been using her husband’s illness as a way to withdraw from involvement in the cult. It will be interesting to see if she resumes involvement as perhaps the highest-ranking “wog expert” out there after some mourning period passes. If not, then Miscavige may be in more trouble than Rinder’s comment suggests. Several people familiar with the situation have suggested that Monique Yingling is one of the few people that Miscavige trusts completely, and she may have been handling a lot of sensitive financial affairs (i.e., setting up and managing accounts where the various reserve funds are located).

      • Observer

        I hope she *has* had enough of that pack of criminals. I’m for any crippling blow anyone can deliver to Davey (no pun intended).

      • Ze Moo

        Yingling has been out of action for some time and Davey still paid off Debbie Cook, the PIs and the Desmonds and god alone knows how many others. The dwarfenflüffer has already found someone to move the money around. That money mover probably has their own set of private investigators to watch them. Heavy lies the head of the paranoid.

        Health issues do seem to be a big reason for many loyal minions escape. What kind of ‘tech’ is that?

        • John P.

          I was under the impression (though I had no specific information to confirm this) that Yingling’s withdrawal was relatively recent, perhaps in the fall of 2012. If anyone has any better information on exactly when she stepped back it would be interesting to try to match that against Miscavige’s new “just write the check, already” legal strategy (versus the old “not one thin dime for Wollersheim” approach).

          If it looks like Yingling’s departure from the scene was just before the Debbie Cook suit was brought, then that would tend to suggest that she was advising behind the scenes to never settle. If that’s true, then if she’s no longer there, Miscavige is making legal strategy decisions on his own (or perhaps with a different, more pragmatic attorney) and it is thus open season for lawyers on the Scientology treasury.

          • RMycroft

            Scientology has always done strategic settlements. They’ve just been very quiet about it. After dodging disaster in the Julie Christofferson/Titchbourne case ($39 million!) late 80s, they did a round of settlement/gags/retractions with ex-executives. They’ve done many settlement/gags with Narconon problems too.

            Their problem with the Wollersheim case was that it wasn’t a settlement, it was a judgement.

          • Ze Moo

            All recent scieno-settlements seem to be done for pr purposes. Gag the litigant and wait for the next publicity nightmare. Parkinson’s SHOULD have left Jerry Feffer unable to do much for maybe 5 years. I have no way of knowing what complication actually killed him, but Parkinsons seldom kills on its own, pneumonia is the usual culprit. Yingling’s departure does seem to have changed CO$ legal strategy.

            Davey has really stuck his head in the sand and seems to be waiting for every legal claim to be quietly settled. The squirrel busters and other harassment has only been publicly directed at people who aren’t suing. This does point to a very pragmatic approach that CO$ hasn’t used before. I have no idea who is giving Davey legal and pr advice these days. Does anyone know who has Davey’s ear these days?

        • Missionary Kid

          “dwarfenflüffer” Ze, you got in one of the best dick jokes!

      • RMycroft

        As well as their tax expert, she appeared to be Miscavige’s personal lawyer.

      • grundoon

        The latest Scientology-related sighting of Monique Yingling seems to be her April 2010 interview (with Tommy Davis) on Anderson Cooper on CNN. In 2009 she popped up on the board of a Scientology lobbying front, the “Institute on Religion and Public Policy,” and swooped in with a goon squad on Mike Rinder in a failed attempt to shut him up. My Google search didn’t turn up anything more recent.

        • John P.

          Thank you for digging up those data points. I hadn’t seen much in the way of times that she worked visibly on behalf of the cult. I suspect that Monique Yingling worked far more out of public view than in it. So any information that anyone digs up on when she stepped away from her law practice in general, or any information on when she specifically stopped advising Miscavige quietly would help to establish whether her “retirement” is tied to an increased propensity to settle cases or not.

    • Captain Howdy

      “How does one go from being a federal prosecutor to influencing government to turn a blind eye to a corrupt and criminal cult?”

      Rep.Paul Broun of Georgia believes that the earth is 9,000 years old and that evolution and the big bang theory are “lies from the pit of hell”..and he also serves on the House Science Committee..DOH !

      There are currently a number of people serving in congress that are every bit as crazy as any scientologist, which is one of the reasons folks shouldn’t count on government in dealing with CofS.

      • BuryTheNuts2

        Seriously? Now I gotta google this turd.

        • blissfulldreams

          the great year:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPIAOrNnhhA

          A different story about ancient Egypt and our origins: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugWCRliG4Rg

          Dr Sam Osmanagich Bosnian Pyramids presentation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPNVQD5TSYU

          told you i always end up in Egypt and with the aliens its amazing just where the rabbit hole sends you when your looking for scientology.

          the belief part is down to you lol

          • BuryTheNuts2

            OH geez, here goes half of my Saturday. You and your Eqyptian rabbit holes.
            And you know I gotta go there now…………….
            I will get you for this…lol (shakes my fist)

            • blissfulldreams

              save it for a lazy day an have a glass of wine 🙂

              looking forward to you getting even lol

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Glass? How about a VASE?
              hehehe

          • Captain Howdy

            Uh-oh, looks like another Hitler/Nostradamus//Cryptozoology/Ancient Aliens Channel special Remember when the History channel and Discovery actually had real programs about history and science ? To understand why people fall for shit like scientology all you have to do is look at the crap they watch on TV.

            “Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public” – .H. L. Mencken

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Well, If you are going to quote Mencken on TO’s blog…this one works well.

              The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.
              H. L. Mencken

              And yeah, I do vaguely remember the History Channel being about actual history and Discovery before that UFO guy with uncontrollable hair was everywhere!

            • N. Graham

              “For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong.” (such as Dianetics)

              H. L. Mencken

        • Captain Howdy

          If someone is going to run for office they should be required to take an I.Q test and get a psychological profile.

          • BuryTheNuts2

            Yep!
            And someone with actual ethics (no COS version) to follow them around with a cattle zapper!

          • RMycroft

            Or at least pee in a cup and take a breathalyzer.

          • N. Graham

            Or at least hooked up to an ECG to see if there is any brain activity at all.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              FLMAO! You are so not right. I am really warming up to this part of you!

    • N. Graham

      Oh yea, if I ever get cancer I hope it’s benign cancer. Sheesh.

    • villagedianne

      It’s the revolving door. Government regulators often go on to work for the very companies they once regulated. It’s a lot more lucrative.

  • Ziontologist

    Up until the eighteenth century, medicine was largely prescientific. It was still argued, as Hippocrates believed, that diseases were caused by an imbalance of the “four humors,” or bodily fluids.

    Hubbard’s “first category” of psychosomatic illness are caused by “an over abundance or lack of bodily fluids.”

    What century was this guy living in? Didn’t he know that just about all illnesses are caused by overdevelopment of the sexual organs?

    Sheesh!

    • EnthralledObserver

      It’s like ‘fashion’, didn’t you know, these theories always make a comeback into vogue. :p

      • EnthralledObserver

        And the ‘new generation’ always believe THEY ‘invented’ it… :p :p

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Yes. The 60’s were invented to cure that 50’s culture.

          • Observer

            My elementary school didn’t allow girls to wear pants to school until 1970. Such little hussies we were!

            • Snuzey

              For us Brits that really does make you a hussy.

            • Observer

              lol! Trousers, then. Or jeans.

            • Snuzey

              Phew. 😉

          • Missionary Kid

            Thank you, but also darn you. Pants suits are fine, but there are also women wearing too tight pants with muffin tops who should be wearing circus tents. They aren’t slutty, just under the illusion that the size they should be wearing is several sizes smaller, so that’s what they wear. WalMart is an easy place to find them.

          • Sure, deck your lower limbs in pants;
            Yours are the limbs, my sweeting.
            You look divine as you advance—
            Have you seen yourself retreating?

            – Ogden Nash, 1940

    • He really was just throwing that out there. Penny a word man, a speed habit is hard to kick!

    • John P.

      Nice job on setting out yet another angle illustrating the medieval thought processes that rule Scientology… I have been harping for at least a year on their obsession with “authorities” (Hubbard and no one else) as the determinant of truth rather than the independent evidence for the truth of a particular statement, which is also a hallmark of medieval. But the connection between the statement of the first category of psychosomatic illness and the four humors theory is unmistakable. Other than the fact that it was written on a typewriter, it’s hard to believe that Hubbard’s words were a product of the 20th century.

      • BuryTheNuts2

        You guys are way too cerebral.
        I know you got a good dick joke in you John P.

        And it better be good or I am going to start singing “life in the fast lane” until you say uncle!

        • John P.

          1subgenius beat me to it, in his comment below. I am quite happy to engage in all sorts of ribaldry as well as downright gross stuff with the traders out on the trading desk at Global Capitalism HQ (they’re world class pigs, so it’s a badge of honor that I can gross them out and shut them up), but I tend not to do it in writing.

      • Hubbard was copying stuff from the occult craze of the 20s, which was copying stuff from the occult craze of the late 19th century, which claimed to be “rediscovering” truths of the past, but actually cherry-picked and then warped beliefs into something that would make it easier to con people.

      • Ziontologist

        Hubbard was medieval, and his favorite show was the Beverly Hillbillies. He was a Goth who loved country music!

        • BuryTheNuts2

          L.Ron Hubbard was Jack White?

          • Ziontologist

            No, but he liked white stripes.

            • Captain Howdy

              Yea, we use to call them “cross tops”.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Snort….
              uh, yeah…literally

            • Captain Howdy

              A bag of 100 for $20. Ah, those were the days.

            • Missionary Kid

              There is a musician who goes by the name of Lee Ving (get it?) who is one of the members of the punk band, FEAR, which had one notorious shot at SNL. Then he turned up in the movie Clue, playing the part of Mr. Boddy, and he’s done other movies. The last time I happened to see him on a talk show on TV, he was front man for a C&W band, Range War.

              He also suffers from being bipolar, according to Wikipedia.

              In person, when I met him, he seemed to be a nice guy.

              LRH had a range of goth to country music, which is similar, but he was flat out evil.

            • Captain Howdy

              I’ve seen FEAR numerous times and met Lee and he was a really nice guy contrary to rumor and in fact my wife’s cousin was engaged to the drummer Tim at one time.

            • Missionary Kid

              I had a friend in a punk band that wanted more exposure, so they got FEAR to come to our city & play at a bar. I was asked to help provide security. It brought out crowd that was slam dancing, etc. from L.A. It also brought out a bunch of under-21 whiney kids who tried to get in. An interesting experience. Lee was a nice guy. Can’t say the same about the fans.

        • John P.

          Why does the image of “a Goth who loved country music” sound like a new season of the reality show featuring Ozzie Osbourne? Either that or it’s a log line from a new low-budget zombie movie somebody is trying to pitch.

          • Ziontologist

            Why? Because it sounds like a guy who could crash at any minute, yet his thing just keeps on going!
            Dude, that’s LRH!

        • Captain Howdy

          I had the first “goth” (it started in Cali and was called “death rock” before it made it across the pond and became poofy “goth”) band in the S.F bay area and I love country music (real country not the shit they’ve been peddling for at least the last 20 years ). According to your description LRH was my kind of guy. yee-haw !

    • Kiwichick

      LRH is so far from scientific that it makes my blood boil. I think Tony’s referencing of LRH to a carnival barker is very accurate. His simplistic and ignorant interpretations of others ideas is astounding. How has it lasted? Definitely the power of denial and dissociation by his followers and of course, cognitive dissonance.

      • Ziontologist

        I think I was the first to compare LRH to a carney huckster, no?
        And I never, ever said LRH was scientific.

  • EnthralledObserver

    *shakes head* Hubbard was quite the spin doctor himself, wasn’t he? I can see though why so many chumps bought his lines, he does write with an astonishing surety about himself and his ‘discoveries’. I’m not that easily convinced, I want proof, but I guess the fact that Hubbard was able to get so many followers over the years shows that many apparently don’t need the same level of proof… just semi-results after a gamble??

    • Missionary Kid

      LRH depended on keeping a low enough profile that he could lie just enough publicly to keep up a crafted public facade. He used that to suck people in. You’ll notice that just about everyone that was sucked in was undergoing some sort of personal crises, or was a seeker.

      Anyone walking in the door is greeted with the same facade of happiness, confidence, and absolutes. Everything is structured to first find out what you want, then to tell you that Co$ will give you what you want.

      Why do you think the first thing that’s given is a test? They’re probing for weaknesses. Everything after that is geared towards manipulating those weaknesses and desires so that the chump, er prospective clam, er new convert is guided along a path designed to isolate them from the ethics and reasoning and facts of the rest of the world.

      By making bald-faced assertions, and having a chorus of clams to parrot them, the newbie starts to suspend their ability to reason.

      Studying his life story, you see that his truth was always what he said it was, unsupported by facts.

  • I am really glad Tony and Vance are doing this exposition of Dianetics. I have never been able to pentrate the gobbledy-gook and read the whole thing. I still remain incredulous of people who did manage to read it and immediately joined Scientology. What is the appeal?

    • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

      I am guessing that they were ready to join because of emotional coercion. Reading the book gave them a “rational” justification when they jumped right in. I saw it a lot, too. The staff members at the org bragged about the how many people joined just that way.

    • scnethics

      I was young, depressed, anxious and opposed to talking to a psychologist about it. I read the book, and although it was far out, the author spoke with confident authority. If he was lying, no one would be publishing this book so many years later, right? What would be the harm in going to the local mission and checking it out?

      Once I visited the local mission and met lots of friendly, admirable people, I was almost convinced on the spot. If it didn’t work, why would these people tell me it did?

      From that point, it didn’t have to work or do exactly as claimed. I had already decided it was for me and would spend the next few decades rationalizing that decision.

  • blissfulldreams

    Tony i have the greatest respect for you and how you are able to read all this bullshitness and stay sane

    my first thought when i saw the heading was shit it’s Thursdaythenuttyday again!
    doesn’t the week just fly by

  • So if a ‘Clear’ gets a cold then either they falsely attested and the e-meter didn’t spot it or they were connected to a Potential Trouble Source.

    Actually based on the theory of communicable infection the PTS notion has a certain validity.

    I remember a long time ago asking my doctor what she thought about chiropractors and homeopaths and she said they were invaluable and often referred her patients exhibiting advanced hypochondria to witch doctors as it freed up her surgery to deal with real illnesses. I was surprised at her cynical attitude.

    Andrew

    • Trustmeonthis

      That sounds just like the same passing the bad client thing we were talking about yesterday. I guess everybody does it. OTOH, some of those other disciplines do help people that have had no help from traditional medicine. Drs almost always thinks it is all that and everything else is boojum, but that doesn’t make them 100% correct.

  • BuryTheNuts2

    I KNEW IT. John Holmes had a humongous engram!

    • 1subgenius

      And died from a “state of mind”.

      • Captain Howdy

        Jenna Elfman should put her “religion” where her snatch is and have unprotected sex with a man with AIDS to prove the efficacy of the tech.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      evidently john mcmaster, the first (or 2nd or 3rd) Clear did too due to gay engrams.

    • Dean Blair

      So I guess if you go Clear your penise shrinks down to a more un-abberated size?

      Some people might want to be struck over the head with a hammer while the assaulter calls them a “Big Dick”

    • Unex Skcus

      Does this have something to do with the ‘oiliness table’?

      • BuryTheNuts2

        Under the correct circumstances it could! 🙂

  • Patty Moher

    I’ve read the Dianetics book 3 times. The first was in 1973, when I first got into Scn via their front group Narconon. I hadn’t been brainwashed about the M/U (Misundertstood Word) phenomena, so I used the book to help me fall asleep. That thing is a real snoozer. Reading DMSMH would knock me out faster than double vodka over ice.

    The second time I read it (1975), I was enrolled on the HSDC- Hubbard Standard Dianetics Course, and the brainwash ran deep in me. So I looked up all my words and bought Hubbard’s bullshit lock, stock and barrel.
    Critical thinking wasn’t a strong point for me back then.

    The third time was in 1987/88– at the height of my indoctrination, I enrolled in the Solo Auditor’s Course, Yes, I was gonna go OT! DMSMH was the first book on the course, complete with the required essays and clay demos,.drilling with stuffed toys, and pretending that the emeter really fucking worked.

    Now I know that many people love your Blogging Dianetics Series, and I’m not knocking it. But I have to tell you that I scroll right past it every week because it truly causes my brain to ache.

    • BuryTheNuts2

      Patty, the fact that you have actually read Dianutty, not once….but three times….gives you a free scrolling pass and I would also like to buy you a pony and a hot stone massage.

      • Patty Moher

        email me at ppieniadz@gmail.com for an invite to the 2013 SP Party. No ponies! The yard’s not big enough. But thanks for the thought!

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Remind her that token, I mean, Honorary SP’s buy the booze.

          • BuryTheNuts2

            Can you get Vodka in Kegs?

            • 1subgenius

              Yes, with a funnel.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              SWEET!

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      gin and tonic…hey, it Is a tonic, right? that is medical and scientific. im with you, Patty. Reading Dianetics is engramatic.

      • Patty Moher

        LOL

    • SandiCorrena

      I have to confess I skim the book excerpt parts but read Tony and his commentators in their entirety because like you said it gives me brain ache. Plus knowing the case of Bat Sh&t Cray Cray Kirstie got from it; it’s scary.

    • DeElizabethan

      I feel as you about browsing through it each week. I too read the book in ’72 then again for the course in ’74. 3rd time was in Dec ’10 but, the only way I would, did it at home thru the internet and just had to answer the questions, so it was easy and flew thru it. I of course was only doing it to get through basics and not for higher levels as you were. I feel for you having to do it in their course rooms. Yuk!

      However, I like do enjoy Vance’s take on it.

    • DodoTheLaser

      Same fucking here.

  • jensting

    “overabundance or lack of bodily fluids”

    I hope that puts paid to teh notion that L Ron Hubbard was stuck with a medieval mindset. The “thinking” proudly harks all the way back to the classic nonsense – the four humors, indeed, as others have noted.

    • Missionary Kid

      “Fact” meant anything he wanted to be true.

    • Sherbet

      Suddenly I’m remembering General Ripper in “Dr. Strangelove,” who’s obsessed with the corruption of America’s precious bodily fluids. Maybe lrh jumped on that same bandwagon.

      • Captain Howdy
        • Sherbet

          Howdy strikes again!

      • villagedianne

        Although, strangely, it looks like Gen. Jack. D. Ripper was right about fluoridation. Doesn’t help teeth and it’s a boon for the aluminum companies.

    • grundoon

      “no further colds appear — which is a laboratory fact not so far contradicted by 270 cases”

      Always when L. Ron Hubbard uses such phrasing, he’s making a postulate (or in wog language, a “lie.”)

      Note that he doesn’t actually say that anyone has looked at 270 cases, or any number of cases. He says there have NOT been cases.

      It may appear to be careless writing and sloppy grammar, but it is not. It is deliberately crafted to mislead.

  • 1subgenius

    So how many guys did Dianetics because their dicks were too big?
    I can relate though, because I once told my doctor that I always wanted a 12 inch dick.
    He said, “No problem, we can take off as much as you want.”

    • BuryTheNuts2

      I have a feeling there is going to be a barrage of dick jokes today.

      This is going to be great!

      • Ziontologist

        Who knew you’d start your day today, BTN2, expecting a barrage of dick jokes! LOL!

        • BuryTheNuts2

          True, but it made my day! I need a funny day after all this disconnection. That crap breaks my heart. I can’t stop thinking about Mario.
          Go check out this particular comment at Marty’s:
          http://markrathbun.wordpress.com/2013/02/27/dissociation-and-denialism/#comment-256434

          • Anonymookme

            Ugh! Marty’s Merry Band of Simpletons absolutley disgust me.
            She went “exterior” listening to this dude play the piano. Do these people never feel the emotion of embarrassment or shame when they re-read one of their silly comments?
            Thing is, you just know that all of these morons at Marty’s, Marty himself in fact, practiced disconnection and fair game and every other evil Sci program with relish.
            Now that they’ve decided that the problem w/ Sciloontology is DM, they are holier than thou.
            They make me sick.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Yeah, that part was the usual cup of stupid, but I was referring to how she describes his treatment by the other Scientologist. That is some pathetically sad shit.

            • Anonymookme

              wanna bet that at one time in her Sci career, she treated someone the exact same way she is now so shocked and appalled by?

            • Yup. It bothers me how there are all of these ex-Scientology victims but no perpetrators. Pointing fingers and accepting no responsibility seems to be part of the Tech.

            • Anonymookme

              I have to say that since I’ve been watching this evil cult and reading Marty’s Word Salad Sciloon postings, as well as the complete nonsense his commenters puke forth, I have no doubt that one of the things that disappears from these people’s personalities, is self awareness on any level. They have zero self awareness and absolutely no sense of irony.
              I mean, the fact that the 90 year old Sciloon would rather live in the dark and starve than to accept financial help from a “SP”, says a lot about these morons. The fact that his ‘church’ would allow him to suffer and offer no help, forbid him to accept help from someone who the ‘church’ deems unacceptable would be laughable if not so frightening.

            • scnethics

              If you just look at what they do, and consider that they can’t think critically about the church, LRH, or scientology, it all makes sense. It’s not that they have lost self-awareness, it’s that they are programmed to mold their self-perception, outward-perception and thoughts to fit the narrative that LRH, the church and scientology are always right.

            • DeElizabethan

              Not only that but his own former student who supposedly loves him and registered high OT won’t even help, nor care about him at all. Zero compassion or sanity.

            • Missionary Kid

              In a way, it’s kind of like the Neo-Nazis who disavow Hitler’s actions, but still believe in National Socialism.

            • scnethics

              *No* perpetrators? I see lots of people owning up to what they did. I’m with you though, the ones that don’t are annoying.

            • I haven’t seen many ex-Scientologists admit that they committed fraud and unethical, immoral methods in regging or harassing for ‘donations’ or in selling books/materials. I haven’t seen many ex-Scientologists admit that they forced others to disconnect from family members and personally caused a lot of pain to wogs and/or concerned family members.

              Yes, we’ve heard Marty Rathbun admit to a few punches and so did Mike. Mike off-handedly admitted to forcing disconnections but not directly and not specifically. Jeff Hawkins admitted to feeling a sense of responsiblity for packing the con in a pretty and sell-able product, but that’s really all I recall reading from them.

              But what about all of the terrible things they did to others while in the ‘hole’? We heard all about what Debbie Cook endured but what about the money she scammed from others? What about the harsh punishments and banishing others to the RPF? What about those that held Valeska Paris against her will for 12 fucking years? You don’t hear about those people that did those things.

              Ex-Scientologists are (understandably) good at spelling out how they were personally victimized but don’t forget that it took years of abuse on them personally before they snapped out of it. Admitting how you hurt others is not an easy task, but one that those who speak out should address otherwise they start looking like Rathbun, whose claims almost never spell out all of the harm he perpetrated on others making him appear to be hiding information. Smacking Rinder around was only a handful of instances. Where are the rest?

            • It’s like drunk-posting without the drunk part. I can’t stand to go over there these days unless I need to get sleepy.

            • Anonymookme

              perfect analogy. Drunk posting without the drunk part. Exactly how Marty’s Moron’s comments sound. Now, if you will exucse me, I’m going to exteriorize for an hour or so.

            • Ziontologist

              I wasn’t ‘t going to say anything, but I totally got that about her exteriorizing. 
              I exteriorized when I read that!
              In case you think Z is nuts, read this article from Scientific American, “Real Out of Body Experiences”:

              http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=real-outof-body-experiences

              Having an out of body experience is a perception that doesn’t correspond to reality, (in the sense that it ‘s a perception of self as opposed to a representation of the world around you), but it is a real perception none the less.
              I thought it was a beautiful thing when that woman said she heard the music and exteriorized, and that she was a beautiful person …  but that’s just me … and I exteriorize all the time!

            • BuryTheNuts2

              That is a good article and lookie there, actual science behind the fact that they (OBE”‘s can and do happen (even if they are a perception). I have always had OBE’s as I have stated here before…even to the point that my room mate and I were trying to do our own experiments on them.
              She put an object in the hallway for me to identify. (I was supposed to do this while having an OBE).
              It took me like three evenings to be able to pull it off and to see that she had put a book there. She still remembers that after all these years, but then, so do I.

            • Ziontologist

              Thank you BTN2. Thanks for taking a look at that article

              http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=real-outof-body-experiences

              and thank you for being such a smart person. You’re up on a lot of stuff, you’re very intuitive!

              Yes, out of body experiences are a perception which can be consistently replicated in a laboratory experiment. 
              The eyes provide raw information to the brain. The brain takes that information and creates a “virtual” image from it … OBE’s, as far as I can figure out , happen when the brain puts the world together a little differently … I’m sure you know what I mean.

            • The way people say, “oh, LRH’s idiotic language means this, so it’s not *really* idiotic” drives me nuts. Being ecstatically happy or enjoying a good joke is not “exteriorizing” — it’s being ecstatically happy or enjoying a good joke. “Exteriorize” is complete nonsense.

            • scnethics

              “Exteriorize” is complete nonsense. Ha Ha – prove it. Really, there’s this feeling of being bigger than your body or out of it, and I get that when I’m listening to music sometimes, or having a great day. I no longer believe I’m “leaving my body”, but it’s a good way to describe the feeling. It’s much more than enjoying a good joke.

              Once, I lost all perception of my body and believed I was in deep space. There was no “up” or “down” and I was just somewhere else far away, with nothing around me but distant stars in all directions. Yes, I was on acid. I had never completely lost touch with reality before, so I really did think that was an out of body experience – and maybe it was.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              I think out of body experiences are kind of one of those things like you had to be there jokes.

              If you have done it before, you know what it is and how real it is.
              If you haven’t experienced it…it sounds too ridiculous to be true.

              That is why it is interesting that these neuroscientists have found a way to mirror or induce the experience.

              People can make fun of it all they want.

              They can also try to convince themselves that Scientific American Magazine is really just the Onion.

              With that said….I think most of these OT’s in Scientology make the shit up because they want to tell other Scientologist’s they have exteriorized to sound like they got something out of all those dollars.

            • Anonymookme

              so, basically, exteriorized is much like ‘being in the zone” when one is enrapt by something?
              Yeah, I call that being “in the zone”. Not nearly as dramatic as exteriorizing, but, in the zone, nonetheless.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              That is not what I personally am talking about. Because that is not my experience.
              I am talking about clearly feeling as if your consciousness is disconnected from your physical body and in a different space than that body.

              I can’t speak for anyone else or what they may have experienced.

              I also do not believe in Cartesian Dualism….so go figure.

            • Captain Howdy

              “I am talking about clearly feeling as if your consciousness is disconnected from your physical body and in a different space than that body.”

              Not to burst your bubble but I believe it’s called a “blackout”

            • BuryTheNuts2

              No, I have had plenty of those….they are definitely different 😉

            • Captain Howdy

              I had what seemed like an OBE once. i had been doing meth and I hadn’t slept in 3 or 4 days. I was sitting on the couch, coming down like a ton of bricks, looking down the short hallway to the front door when suddenly it felt like I zoomed out of my body and was standing in the hall by the front door looking at myself sitting on the couch. Considering the circumstances I think my perception was slightly askew.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Your perception WAS askew, but it was still your perception.
              That was an OBE.
              It didn’t ‘seem’ like one…it was one.

              And when you can do it with no drugs it is REALLY cool.

            • q-bird

              Egad!……….and what happened next Capt?!

              Did you then see your legs jump off of the couch and run down the hallway… without You?
              What were you doin’ there by the door, just observing?

              Was there any screaming involved in your OBE?

              And, most important, how are you this day, my dear Captain?

              I am hoping you will not mind a bit of gentle ribbing on this good day sir ~ 😉

            • Captain Howdy

              Ah, it scared the crap out of me and I stopped doing meth

              and I started doing smack instead.

            • Ziontologist
            • Ziontologist
            • Trustmeonthis

              Worse. It’s dissociation. Which is not at all the same as an ecstatic experience, and not generally something that is healthy to try for. Usually it is a defense mechanism to deep trauma. Why is a “church” trying to cause that?

            • Ziontologist

              Yo … ! The human brain is capable of all kinds of configuration, i.e., brain mapping, and without that, you wouldn’t have a computer to type on!

            • Trustmeonthis

              I am not saying there is anything wrong with reconfiguring your own brain. I am saying that *purposely dissociating* seems like a terrible, dangerous idea. Why would you want to disconnect from yourself? Other than to get through some horrific experience (RPF etc). But it also allows the horror to continue. It’s one of the worst things about what they do, in my opinion. And it is very purposely done, so they can continue to lead their people around by their noses.

            • EnthralledObserver

              You mean like when you’re driving along a road for hours and suddenly you realise you don’t really remember the last 5 mins of driving, because you were deep in thought about another topic and were sort of on auto-pilot? That sort of ‘exterior’… where you weren’t really exterior at all, you just weren’t consciously thinking of your surroundings. I rather think this is more likely than actually ‘going exterior’… but that’s just me.

            • villagedianne

              She may still be in the trap, but at least she had compassion for Mario. That is a good thing.

          • 1subgenius

            At least you’re finding them.

          • Captain Howdy

            I read that Ron Jeremy is sick and in the hospital. Maybe you could drive down to the Denny’s and see if you can find JT and he can fly out to L.A and give poor Ron some touch assists to help alleviate his overdeveloped organ engrams.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Nope, that particular Denny’s is in my NO FLY zone!

              Ron is going to have to give himself a touch assist…..as we all know he is capable of!

            • Captain Howdy

              You were 86’d from a Denny’s ? Even I have never been able to accomplish that feat.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              We should go on a nice runner…you would be surprised at the magnitude crap I can get myself into (and then out of)…

              And I have never been arrested! Ever.
              ^^^ I note this out of sheer surprise!

              🙂

            • Captain Howdy

              I’ve never been arrested either (pc’d a couple of times for a few hrs.) even though i could have been at least a 1000 times (nothing violent) “knock on head” .

            • BuryTheNuts2

              I was pulled over and handcuffed by a cop once.
              But he was just trying to get a damn date. (for realz)
              He looked like Steve Buciemi.

              He used to call my house and try to talk my Mother into getting him a date.
              NOT EVEN!

            • mirele

              There’s a Denny’s located across the freeway from Big Blue in LA. My mother and brother were there in August taking care of family business. When they got back from LA, he told me about (what he considered) a very weird conversation he overheard in a nearby booth. Based on the dress of the people involved and the conversation, I deduced the Sea Org had latched onto a possibly willing recruit and were working him over.

          • Ziontologist

            What killed me was Lori Hodgson’s story … the way she couldn’t say the names of her children without the “my’ in front of it … ‘my Jeremy, my Jessica’ … it broke my heart. How clear could it be? This is a mother crying out for her children. It’s almost like watching someone being tortured, and there’s nothing you can do about it.
            In scientology, sooner or later, it comes to this.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              It IS like watching someone being tortured and you are not able to help them.
              It is so endlessly frustrating and sad.
              I am so hoping this all comes crashing down in the next few years and people can begin to rebuild their families and their lives.
              It is just all so manipulative and evil.
              I am so happy and thankful for every single person who has walked away.
              Including you Z.

          • DeElizabethan

            Thanks, was a good comment telling them how these “enlightened beings OTs” act and not act, real robots.

        • N. Graham

          Do you know where the product # is on a condom?

      • sugarplumfairy

        Maybe some pianist jokes as well..

        • blissfulldreams

          A delivery woman comes to deliver some flowers to house. She arrives to find a man playing on a piano. The delivery woman asks him where she should place the flowers. The man tells her to go ahead and place her tulips on his organ.
          ————
          A guy walks into a bar and orders a beer. He takes a sip, and then suddenly the most incredible piano music he’s ever heard starts up. He looks around, but sees no piano, no speakers, no discernible source for the music.

          Puzzled, he asks the barman, “Where is the music coming from?”

          The barman answers, “Well I’ve got this little guy about one foot high, playing this little piano under the bar.”

          “No, seriously”, says the guy, “where is it coming from?”

          “Well, if you don’t believe me, take a look and see for yourself”, says the barman.

          The guy gets up, walks around the bar and looks underneath. Sure enough, there’s this tiny little man playing a tiny little piano. The little man waves and asks if he has any requests.

          Amazed, he asks the barman, “Where in hell did you get that little guy?”

          The barman answers, “Well, I was taking the trash out into the alley and saw this old dirty lamp. I rubbed the dirt off it, and suddenly this genie popped out and said ‘I’ll grant you one wish, but one wish only! So now I have this little man.”

          “Wow!”, says the guy, “is that lamp still out there?”

          “I guess so”, says the barman, “go out and take a look.”

          The guy rushes out the back door and sure enough, there’s this dirty old lamp. He picks it up and rubs it. Out pops the genie and says, “I’ll grant you one wish, but one wish only!”

          Beside himself with excitement, the guy yells, “I want a million bucks!”

          The next instant the alley is filled with a million quacking ducks.

          Disgusted, he walks back into the bar and says to the barman, “Man, this genie of yours has a real problem with his hearing!”

          “No kidding”, says the barman, “did you really think I asked him for a 12-inch pianist?”

      • richelieu jr

        Subgenius is lying- Nô Dick an be twelve inches long. Do you know why?

        • BuryTheNuts2

          Do tell?

          • richelieu jr

            Because then it would be a foot!

            (rim shot…. crickets…)

        • Observer

          Because then it would be a foot. Grrroooooaaaannn

          • BuryTheNuts2

            OH gawd!

          • richelieu jr

            oh, I see somebody else already go it (sorry, I’m on mail notifications…)

      • Vistaril

        Do you lknow why there are no uncircumcised men in OSA?

        ( : ¡¡ s????d ??? o? pu? ou s? ????? ?sn???q

        • BuryTheNuts2

          Like ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++!!!

          Now that is a DICK joke Vistaril!

      • 1subgenius

        Young bride on her honeymoon night: “Who are you going to satisfy with that little thing?”
        Groom: “ME!”

      • richelieu jr

        Do you know why Obama got his nipples pierced?

  • BuryTheNuts2

    Oh I feel so much better today! Nothing like Dianutty to balance the B$.

    When I purchased my coffee this morning at the convenience store they asked me to donate a dollar for a charity and sign my name one of those little balloons or whatever it was that they stick on the wall.

    I signed it L. Ron Hubbard.
    I thought he could use the positive PR.

    • Sherbet

      I hope it was a charity related to mental illness!

      • BuryTheNuts2

        Even better…It was a children’s charity.

        I figure he owes those kids.

        • Sherbet

          He owes Quentin Hubbard, for starters.

          • BuryTheNuts2

            Just for starters!
            Poor Quentin was doomed by who he was.
            So sad.

  • CoolHand

    “Clears do not get colds.” – But OT VIII’s can get cancer?

  • IWantToJoinThePuzzleFactory

    I can’t believe Gerry ‘pulled in’ his own death. He knew how this would affect the Church.

    What a f**king SP

  • BuryTheNuts2
  • Snuzey

    Not sure what sticks out at me the most in this (apart from all the oversized genitals)… I want to know why only ‘SOME coronary difficulties’ are psycho-somatic and can be cured with Dianetics. What, so… some are NOT?! How do people buy into this in this day and age?? Honestly. That is a real question! How can people read that, and think its a truth? I understand there are people out there who believe in Creationism, and that is a leap of faith for them. Is this just a more immediate, palpable leap of faith? Because there is no proof whatsoever, ever and unlikely there ever will be. I honestly can’t get my head around thinking that anyone really believes that engrams cause colds and not they aren’t viruses. And that being homosexual (and a lesbian which he appears to think are not homosexual – ignorant tosser) can be cured and are perversions. Clearly he had not heard about gay penguins. 😉

    I suppose this is exactly what makes it so fascinating to me. And we all know that people who are the most vociferously homophobic are the ones who have something they don’t want to admit to… just saying. Reckon there’s more truth in that last sentence than all of his ramblings put together.

  • Anyone know what the state of miracle cancer cure is in the church today? Enough members seem to die horribly slow deaths from cancer. Did the claims get bigger when the switch from Dianetics to Scientology happened? I know History of Man mentions it, but I wonder how it’s treated inside the church.

    • scnethics

      These days, if you get cancer, you get real cancer treatment. We’ve lost enough people to alternative cancer therapies to know better. We say: “It’s a physical ailment, so it needs a physical treatment,” or something like that.

      Ethics officers are still consulted, though 🙂

      • Chocolate Velvet

        Yeah, Greta VanS’s hubby has had surgeries and radiation, and they are expecting him to recover. That is certainly a change in approach.
        http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mobileweb/2013/02/28/john-coales-cancer-greta-van-susteren_n_2781752.html

        • BuryTheNuts2

          Oh wow, that is something I would wish on no one. Even Miscavige.
          Broken knee-caps…different story.

        • Ze Moo

          None of the Greta stories say which type of cancer her husband has. If multiple surgeries and radiation are being used it might be a nasty one.

          • N. Graham

            If he’s a Scientologist I’d say it’s a good chance it’s lung.

      • grundoon

        At http://markrathbun.wordpress.com/2012/01/29/disdain-for-a-valuable-human-life you can read many personal accounts of the kinds of treatments that are given to Sea Org members diagnosed with cancer. “Real cancer treatment” costs money; I’m oh so sure it will be in the FP, if not this week, maybe the next.

    • BosonStark

      Could it be that malignant cancer has something to do with oiliness by any chance?

      • The oiliness jokes never get old.

        • BosonStark

          They never go rancid.

          • I think this whole thing went rancid a long time ago.

      • John P.

        Now there you have isolated Hubbard’s real contribution to medicine. He took the “Four Humors” model that reigned supreme in the West from the time of the ancient Greeks until the 19th century and added a fifth humor: oiliness. What a breakthrough!

    • jensting

      New Era Dianetics for Operating Thetans, series 34 “seq

    • N. Graham

      According to Greta Van Susteren’s husband, they use chemotherapy. If poor and in the Sea Org, auditing or laetrile. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/28/john-coales-cancer-greta-van-susteren_n_2781752.html

  • SFFrog

    270 people have been cured of colds via Dianetics. And there are 57 communists in the State depatment.

  • sugarplumfairy

    ..”I worked rather hard to find ways so that Hubbard wasn’t a complete liar and fraud..”

    Vance is so perceptive, insightful, funny and snarky.. I always assumed this would provide some immunity against scientology.. but after being exposed to so many smart, snarky exes here at the bunker, I’m beginning to realize there is no immunity..

    I love that Vance joined the Born This Way Foundation.. Gaga won’t rip him off..

    • BuryTheNuts2

      Yes, when you get to understand the different personalities of so many exes, it is really hard to pidgeonhole a specific “type” that gets sucked in to the con. I think people get drawn in for many different reasons.

  • BosonStark

    So, the mucus engram — good evil Lord Xenu!

    Writing about Dianutty itself is like coughing up a hairball the size of a basketball after being made to swallow one of the same size. You can see why it isn’t discussed very much openly.

    As mentioned previously, I too would like to know the stats on people who sought the dianetic treatment for the dreaded Large Dick Syndrome? Now the underdeveloped genitals, that probably accounted for a good half of male clams!

    Too bad there isn’t a lecture we could listen to on Hubbard blabbering on about what constitutes under and over-development in genitals. I guess that would have Xenu level 10 top secret, given Hubbard’s preoccupation with his low hangers which he believed were caused by too much self abuse — and that’s not counting rituals involving parchment.

    I disagree with Vance. I feel that any clear clam who gets a cold, really needs to repeat their whole bridge. In a Clear, when the cold engram comes back, it’s possible malignant cancer is right around the corner, including malignant cancer of the overdeveloped genitalia.

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      And here I thought all along that LDS stood for Latter Day Saints. It all makes sense now, those LDS folks have so many kids because they are trying to work out their large dick syndrome!

  • Mary_McConnell

    What a good article! If Scientology wanted to prove that it’s not homophobic, it would have edited out or footnoted the debasing statements Hubbard made about homosexuality.

    And the point about the the state of Clear, and the diseases listed being caused by engrams, only later to be redirected by the church’s efforts to explain it all away as being caused by PTS situations…. or that one could justify to one’s self that they would just have to wait to handle these problems on a future OT level… all this is central to the Truman Show effect so many experience in Scientology.

    This is the book where the propaganda from the church was that Hubbard knew all, and to question anything he wrote meant you had a misunderstood word or were ethics bait. No Clear or OT wanted to admit to having any of these diseases, or needing reading glasses, or not believing what Hubbard wrote because to do so meant the whole thing ( Dianetics and Scientology’s road to spiritual freedom) was a bunch of baloney and that was too frightening to admit. Denial after denial after denial.Justification after justification, after justification. A Scientology org course in studying this book is a course in brainwashing.

    Thanks for the humor while going over this segment of the book. The absurdities in Dianetics are humorous in retrospect.

  • Ze Moo

    A scientologist ran into his old friend, Max and asked him how things were going.

    “Not so good, was the pained reply. “My brother is very sick.”

    “Your brother isn’t sick,” contradicted the scientologist, “he only thinks he’s sick. Remember that, he only thinks he’s sick.”

    Two months later they met again and the scientologist asked Max:

    “How’s your brother now?”

    “Worse, groaned Max, “he thinks he’s dead.”

    Engrams cause disease??? Even in the 1950’s people knew this was bovinely inspired excrement. Just more proof that scamatology is an alien exorcism cult. “actual mucus present in another engram”, as engrams are mental images, how do they hold mucus?? The ridiculous health claims are reason enough to strip scamatology of its tax exempt status. If the FDA and IRS actually enforced the 1993 tax exemption agreement, the CO$ would be paying taxes now.

  • So let me get this right…. good scientologist = small penis, bad scientoligist = big penis?

    • Observer

      Going by your avatar, Tom Cruise must be a very bad Scientologist.

      • Trustmeonthis

        No WAY. He got that giant medal! He is the BEST $cientologist!
        I am sure his dick is, uh, handled.

    • Captain Howdy

      Anybody with a bigger dick than LRH = degraded being

      • blissfulldreams

        how does that work when he’s dead and floating around somewhere looking for his next chunk of meat to inhabit do thetans have penises ?

    • blissfulldreams

      looks like i’m going for the bad scientologist then 🙂

      • BuryTheNuts2

        Is this why so many women are attracted to ‘bad’ boys?

        • blissfulldreams

          hell yeah

          • BuryTheNuts2

            Now I understand my problem. I have always been a sucker for the good guys.

            • blissfulldreams

              but but i thought the bad scientologist would be someone like BFG lol good guy to us bad to them lol

    • and remember, the size of your genitals is no laughing matter…..

      • Observer

        Holy crap!

      • Captain Howdy

        OMX ! And he wasn’t even Irish .

      • N. Graham

        Wow!

  • dwayners13

    WARNING: Engrams Ahead!
    Great, as I’m reading the first half of this article I start to notice a tickle in my throat & then I let out 3 massive sneezes. By the time I’m mid way through the page, I cough up what could’ve been a thetan & now I have a full blown category 1 & 5 cold/flu. I’m telling you, there’s something to this psychosomatic stuff. I say category 1 because of all the ‘over abundance of bodily fluids’ such as flem/mucus & obviously category 5 because of the ‘verbal content of the engram’. Just reading about this stuff implanted some serious engrams & I wasn’t even reading out loud.
    And for Pete sakes, now my bursitis, arthritis & ulcers are flaring up again. Tony, you should really put a huge warning or disclaimer in large font on the top of the page when your articles contain potential engrams. You & Vance (especially you Vance) should know better than to carelessly pepper an article with a plethora of symptom inducing engrams. Oh great, now I can barely see what I’m typing & the sound of my fingers hitting the keys causing my head to hurt.
    The worst part is that I live in a small town in Canada, so it’s not like I can just make an appointment with a class IV auditor at my local org & rid myself of these engrams. And it’s not like I can just take advantage of my country’s universal healthcare system & go to the emergency room. Once I tell them that I unknowingly exposed myself to a wide range of psychsomatic illness inducing engrams, they are going to unleash the psychiatrists on me.
    Anyway, Tony & Vance if you two fella’s weren’t so darn attractive & muscular I would be soooo angry. OH MY GOD, it’s the mother of all engrams, deviation of dynamic II, involving each & every category 1 through 5. Do you two realize how much time & money it’s going to take to “audit the gay away’. What will I tell my wife, “oh honey, you’ll never guess what happened”. I mean I have no problems with homosexuality, we’re pretty accepting here in Canada. Not only can gay men & women marry & join the military, they can even have gay military weddings. Let this be a lesson to you Tony!

    • blissfulldreams

      2 paracetamol for the cold
      1 box of tissues for the escaping thetans
      2 zanex just in case
      1 _/> of warm rum toddy

      if symptoms persist find a picture of LRH and kick it swiftly

  • RMycroft

    Mentions of Feffer:
    The Man Behind Scientology October 25, 1998, Thomas C. Tobin, St. Petersburg Times
    http://www.sptimes.com/TampaBay/102598/scientologypart1.html

    The TWO Faces of SCIENTOLOGY July 1, 1992, William W. Horne, American Lawyer
    http://www.thecia.net/users/rnewman/scientology/media/amlawyer-7.92

  • 0tessa

    The more Dianetics and Scientology get analyzed properly, the more evident it becomes that they are SCIENCE FICTION. With a bit of Freud of course, and a bit of ‘modern science’ (whatever that may be). It is really nothing more than Science Fiction.
    It is true that people can be made believe in (almost) anything, especially when cures of all illnesses are promised.

    And when sometimes it seems to work, it’s most probably due to a placebo effect. When you believe something works, then it might work indeed sometimes, but for other reasons.

    • Missionary Kid

      Like the rest of LRHs writing, it’s BAD Science Fiction.

      • 0tessa

        You’re right.

  • dbloch7986

    You can audit yourself into having a bigger or smaller penis? Why did we not address this in my auditing! (I won’t say which direction I want to audit it.) I love how Hubbard used his tech to justify his own small member. Typical male. Some things never change I guess, cult leader or not.

    Homophobia is quieter in Scientology than Westboro Baptists, but if you are gay, walk into a church and tell them and their reaction will tell you everything. They are grossed out by homosexuals. I can remember so many hateful things said about homosexuals while I was in Scientology. I’d rather go without repeating them. Suffice it to say the “F” word is thrown around casually.

    I feel bad for Gerald and Monique, but then again I don’t.

    • jensting

      More ancient thinking from LRH. The ancient greeks apparently thought a small penis a Good Thing. https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_penis_size#Perceptions_of_penis_size

    • Bob

      Derek, FYI because of the incredible pressure put on the church and within our social structure the atmosphere within the church is much more relaxed and no longer as bigoted. Not to say that it is gone or that they still don’t want to change a gay person. But if the person is happy the way they are they can pursue Scientology without being hassled. Whether they are allowed on the upper OT levels I do not know. I can check on that. I have had discussions with some die hard clams and they have definitely changed with the times. But I won’t generalize that it is gone. And I think it is more suppressed to keep up the PR image that the church is not prejudiced. But at upper management I think it is still considered a major aberration.

      • dbloch7986

        I have to politely disagree with you on that one. Scientology is a fundamentalist religion. Their basic views, ideals and principles do not change or evolve with time. They view homosexuals as 1.1 and scum. Hubbard repeatedly equated them with the most evil men in history, saying that being gay is a symptom of being evil.

        I am not sure what kind of PR line you’re being fed, but Scientology is the same now as it was in 2000 as it was in 1970 as it was in 1955. Hubbard’s word is literally interpreted and is law within Scientology.

        • Bob

          Derek, I very much empathize with the situation you found yourself in. And know, that it really made me mad when i read about your scene. and it hit very close to home. But nothing stays static and if it was not a security issue for me I would give you very specific details with the names and situations. And I for one had the realization early on that the hard core view of gays did not make sense. Of course most of my work was with non-Scnrs. So I was in the REAL world most of the time not the bubble.
          But it has changed and there are numerous people like me still in and not buying that BS. And depending on the org it is a non-issue. Your story and other people who are currently in have changed the prevailing attitude. I know it is not widespread yet but it is moving forward.
          That does not mean that the attitude in the Seamorgue is different but they do to some degree have to bend to the prevailing winds.
          I could spend several hours discussing the issue of how the whole gay community has changed over the last 40 years. It is a very interesting subject. Fortunately it has changed for the better although there are still too many fundamentalist religions that create hate. You do not have to believe me but I am viewing this was a very close up and current position.

          • Bob, I’ve never been ‘in’ so my statements rely upon known information, written and oral, regarding Scientology’s treatment of homosexuals. I disagree with your statement that the Church has reformed its ways on this topic. Homophobia is wide-spread, rampant, and many anti-gay slurs are used as punishment tools against high level executives by the Church’s own leader, David Miscavige. The Church is rotten from the top, and although some public in some orgs may have more open and accepting views, these are probably the minority and not the majority experiences related to how homosexuals are treated.

            The only difference between Westboro Baptist Church’s and Scientology’s view on gay men and women is that the Church of Scientology does not protest in public using homophobic signage. Their harassment is more subtle but just as dangerous.

            • Bob

              Deckard, I have no doubt most all the reports are accurate but most are not current.(Within the last 4-5 years) I am reporting what I see within my sphere which is limited but it is inside and it is current. My experience is that policy has not changed much but there is a more open attitude with the lower level courses as the orgs are desperate for new people. And within the Hollywood LA community Scnrs are really careful what they do and say lest they get lambasted. And WB church and Scn are not in the same category. The church is much more pragmatic. If it benefits them they will overlook their policies on gays. In a way that is more destructive because the gay person who comes in may not see it coming.

            • EnthralledObserver

              I think you might have hit the nail on the head with this comment: “My experience is that policy has not changed much but there is a more open attitude with the lower level courses as the orgs are desperate for new people.”
              That’s all the ‘change’ is about: Money. If a gay man walks in, there is no use being rude to him, when your 2pm deadline on a Thursday is approaching, and you know that this guy’s ‘condition’ can be taken advantage of financially for, potentially, years.

            • Bob

              Enthralled, over the years I have seen policy bent if it is expedient. And Hubbard said:

              “I don’t care how many rules you break if they’re broken to give unselfish service to one another and the public. We live for service not for rules”

              From SERVICE – HCOPL 29, October 1959 Issue II

              Seems that is only applied selectively but it is a nice sentiment. Once you are fully ensnared in the church it only applies unless it goes up against policies that are made or enforced by the tiny tyrant to cover up his crimes. The fact is Hubbard wrote numerous policy policies stating that “if policy gets in the way of service” then screw the policy. Too bad Seamorgue staff don’t seem to know that.

            • EnthralledObserver

              I’m not sure what it’s going to take for Scion, Indies and LRon supporters to realise that ‘just because the swine ‘said’ it, does not mean he ‘meant’ it’. LRon’s policy notiations were situational at best, and should not be taken literally for all situations, especially given his penchant for self-protection where all rules are thrown out the window to protect his fat, lying, criminal arse.

            • Bob

              Were you ever involved involved in the church?

            • EnthralledObserver

              Are you going to suggest if I wasn’t that I can’t possibly have a valid opinion?

            • Bob

              Not at all. Just curious.

            • EnthralledObserver

              No, I’m a never in. I just see what I see, all this quoting of LRon’s notations, which are obviously written in direct response to particular circumstances that came up at the time, aren’t valid to use as broad, generalised statements. The man had millions in cash covertly couriered to him in the dead of night… he didn’t give a crap about the ‘services’ for others, it was all about what those ‘services’ could deliver him – the cash.

            • Bob

              Ok. Well you are right that all the policy’s he wrote work much of the time but cannot be generalized the way they do now. As far as the other point of view. He was more interested in his organization, trying to help people and his love of adoration and playing the game as the founder of a religion. He lived a very spartan life and did not have many material things. I speak from first hand knowledge. He had many faults but avarice of money was not one of them. His dollars kept going back into the church. Now David Mousekavige is a different story. He loves to live the rich life and keeps building up his bank accounts.

            • EnthralledObserver

              Owing an exclusive estate in England was ‘spartan’? Owning a cruise ship is ‘spartan’? Owning various properties to ‘hide’ was ‘spartan’? I wish I lived such a ‘spartan’ life. The estate the ‘church’ stole (by intimidating his heirs) from LRon’s family was extensive, believe me, else Davey wouldn’t have bothered. You cannot be naive about this, LRon did exactly as he pleased using the millions of dollars of funds begotten from his followers. I know that Davey is just as bad, if not worse, with the sickening lifestyle at the parishoners expense, but LRon set it all up so he could hide but be in control and still financially benefit. These are not the actions of a man who cared about the organisation over himself. And, in fact, whether he intended it or not, LRon’s schemeing was the thing that made it possible for Davey to take over as he did – it’s ALL LRon’s fault.

            • Bob

              I am not saying Hubbard did not have money but after st. Hill it was all down hill. His so called cruise ship I mean the Apollo was a scow and I saw how he lived. It sucked and once the guardian people were put in jail he went on the lamb. So although he had money he didn’t live the life of luxury once that occurred. And then he fell ill and that was worse, living in a motor home. You can call it his fault. He is the source of all this. Just a matter of whether you consider he had anything valuable to contribute to mankind or not. I see that you hate the guy. He’s dead, so who cares. The issue is what to do regarding the messes the current church has created and is creating. Did you ever experience any harm from the church or people from the church? I have. So have a lot of people I know. But they get over it and move on. Or lay low to fight another day. For me it’s what is happening now that counts. There are a lot of good people trying to expose what the church does to prevent more harm from being done. That is a good focal point.

            • DeElizabethan

              I agree with your focal point and what is happening now.

            • Bob

              Thanks. People like Tony and Marty although they may not always agree have the same intention. To see things rectified. And there are so many people who are out who want the same thing. To see justice served and a stop to the ridiculous abuses.

      • grundoon

        Scientology’s Homophobia: Even the Church’s Token Gay Guy Was Disgusted
        http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/2012/09/scientology_keith_relkin.php

        • Bob

          Grundoon,
          I am aware of that blog and was disgusted by it too. I have no doubt that the top is still very homophobic. I was talking about parisheners and some staff. It is still rare to find an openly gay scientologists, but they are there and they are being treated well. It is clear to me if the church does not rapidly and openly change their policy regarding gays they are in for an even rockier road. Right now it is hit or miss.

          • dbloch7986

            Bob,

            I am not sure what you have heard, but the fact that Scientologists think that auditing cures “the gay” is enough evidence anyone needs to show that Scientologists think that gays are inferior people to straights.

            • Bob

              Derek, not what I hear what I see. And I know personally of instances where that is not the case for people who are in but have that belief and lifestyle. And very few, even the hard cores consider the people inferior. Inferior means less than. They consider them abberated and out of valence. So they can be helped. The writings of Hubbard are based on the narrow view of those times. They are no longer relevant.
              I am not defending this point of view. Merely pointing out that things have changed a little. I think it is a total drag that you are estranged from your parents. And I know of your dad and where he works and I would never do business with him nor recommend his company. If I had kids I would love them no matter what their choices. I hope you realize that your speaking out and others like you does affect change. Although slowly, it is still change.

  • SP ‘Onage

    NOTS 34 could have possibly cured him. Feffer wasted all those years fighting tirelessly for scientology and they didn’t even repay him by curing him of Parkinson’s disease. Those selfish twits! Or maybe they tried but failed and Miscavige sent Yingling orders for him to “end cycle.” Jeez, I feel silly even writing about this crap. Haha!

    A quote from this affidavit by Jesse Prince, a former top-level Scientology official, indicates that NOTs auditing was sometimes used as a substitute for medical care.

    The infamous NOTs 34 (discussed below) deals with treatment of physical ailments. The term “end cycle” means to cause or allow oneself to die.

    b) Ted Cormier, a personal friend of mine. He had Parkinson’s disease. He was ordered to leave Gilman Hotsprings and go directly to Flag for NOTS 34, auditing to cure his cancer. When this failed, Ray Mithoff sent him orders in his Pre-Clear folder for him to “end cycle.” He died.

    David S. Touretzky
    Computer Science Department & Center for the Neural Basis of Cognition

    http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/NOTs/index.html

    .

    • N. Graham

      Dianetics will cure anything but you will end up with a big lump in the middle of your head and bad teeth.

  • BosonStark

    As a departure for me, and inspired by the book THE TALENT CODE by Daniel Doyle, and also what Vance has written in this series, I’m trying to what possible things people get out of Dianutty while reading it or trying to understand it.

    In the past, because of my own view of trying to read it and finding it to be a big load of unpalatable BS, I think I oversimplified my thinking in terms of what people who liked it, thought they were getting out of it. And of course, most people didn’t just get whole lot out of it, without doing auditing and doing it.

    At first, I thought Scientologists were just clinging, uncritically, to absurd concepts that were fueled by wishful thinking — a kind of, wouldn’t it be great if all this were true? It make them feel good. It gave them hope, to carry on. It lit up their life.

    I understood the most workable part, of being desensitized to past traumas, disturbing thoughts — maybe negative thinking about one’s potential. However, with the switch to all the control and selling it…

    But, the thing I overlooked is the process people went through who were willing to do so, in trying to reason and understand Dianutty, for example. It causes a certain introspection, that can probably be very deep with some people, simply because they haven’t done it before in this manner. Dianutty causes the reader to keep struggling to understand what Hubbard meant — something I couldn’t do because I was never sufficiently motivated to want to believe it was true. I think people like Vance anyway, probably got something out of this process, in just trying to figure out how to make it work in their own lives. They probably discarded a lot of the bloat, and concentrated on the concepts that would be helpful for them, even if they changed them in their minds, from what Hubbard wrote or meant.

    The other thing Scientology offers is a form of “chunking,” that is, step-by-step process, small parts, and a certain framework or sometimes strict regimentation that probably helps people who are disturbed with too many thoughts, confusion,or a feeling of not having a direction.

    Where I think this goes so horribly wrong, is when it all leads to sucking money, and indenturing so many in the process of selling Scientology and trapping people. The other problem is, I think it is all too outdated, inefficient, with ultimate goals that are totalitarian and absurd — all the answers, clear the planet.

    What the THE TALENT CODE looks at is master teachers, the process of learning, and their success in disparate fields — classical music, soccer, skate boarding, tennis, education.

    • BuryTheNuts2

      What a well thought out and balanced post this is.

    • Bob

      Boson, thanks for the tip on the book. Sounds great.
      Regarding Dianetics, it has always been difficult to understand for almost every Scientologist I ever met. But you are right that all of us have seen results from auditing others and that is a hook that reels us in. The process of guiding a person through a painful incident seems to have a strong beneficial effect if done correctly. Unfortunately it is not always done correctly or sometimes it does not always work. That’s where Scientology comes in and thats where it gets more and more expensive. And more and more invasive and controlling.

    • q-bird

      When a trout rising to a fly gets hooked on line and finds
      himself unable to swim about freely, he begins with a fight which results in
      struggles and splashes and sometimes an escape.
      Often, of course, the situation is too tough for him.

      In the same way
      the human being struggles with his environment and with hooks that catch
      him. Sometimes he masters his difficulties; sometimes they are too much for him.

      His struggles are all the world sees and it
      naturally misunderstands them.

      It is hard for a free fish to understand what is happening to a hooked one.

      Karl A Menninger

      • BuryTheNuts2

        That was lovely.

      • 1subgenius

        trudat

      • Captain Howdy

        I can definitely relate to the hooked part.

  • Sherbet

    We have a vegan in my family. Can he request that his engrams carry plant-based mucus instead of “actual mucus”?

    • Captain Howdy

      Sorry. Big beings eat little beings, not beans. it’s on page 666 of “DMSMH”.

      • Sherbet

        Well, that’ll sure get his tofu in a twist.

        (Anyway, I thought big beings HAVE little “beings,” but that’s only after effective auditing…)

      • BuryTheNuts2

        I thought that was in “On the Origin of Species”.
        LRH just ripped that off too.

  • Sherbet

    I just read that Greta Van Susteren’s husband has cancer. She’s got to be the least vocal scn around. Maybe she’s embarrassed by her affiliation with cos? I can only hope she’s heading toward squirreltude soon.

    • Missionary Kid

      The reason she’s low profile has to do with her being on TV, and she knows that being very public about her affiliation with the cult, she’ll lose her job, or, at the least, label her as TC nutty, and she’ll lose even more of her credibility.

      • Sherbet

        Then in that case, she’s shown herself to be much smarter than TC, although, obviously, somebody reined him in after his wackiest days.

        • BuryTheNuts2

          I think Sumner Redstone gave him a comeupance!

          • Sherbet

            You’re right.

        • Missionary Kid

          She never made the mistake TC did, which was to put his cult sister in the position of publicist. Once that happened, it was a disaster for him, so he eventually went back to having a wog for the job, or at least someone more restrained.

          Greta probably has people around her who are much more restrained. She also is on the air much more often, so has learned to be more circumspect about her beliefs. TC lives in a $cientology bubble, and he doesn’t have to be in front of the public, except when he’s doing publicity.

          • Sherbet

            I didn’t realize his sister was no longer his publicist. Doesn’t TC’s family live all together in his house? No wonder Katie fled.

            • Missionary Kid

              http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/sep/04/tom-cruise-biggest-kook-entertainmentI just heard that, as a part of the damage control, he grabbed someone else.

              He used his sister for a disastrous year.

              I believe that Katie just didn’t want Suri to end up disconnecting from her like his adopted children with Nichole Kidman did.

              The rumor is that she talked to Kidman for advice how to get the hell out of there, using a burn phone.

  • mook

    John Coale, Greta Van Susteren’s hubby is battling cancer, and Greta lets it slip that he’s getting radiation/chemo treatments (oops!)
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/28/john-coales-cancer-greta-van-susteren_n_2781752.html?utm_hp_ref=tw

    • SP ‘Onage

      It’s sad her husband has cancer, but she’s another one who willfully ignores scientology ‘s abuses and her husband Coale once plotted to use friendly politicians to advance the power-hungry cult’s agenda.

      Maybe she’s pulling away from scientology after these OSA leaks about her husband.

      http://gawker.com/5185380/sarah-palin-advisers-secret-scientology-plot-to-take-over-washington

      .

      • Captain Howdy

        Shudder to think that a nasty idiot who had a scientologist pulling her strings was potentially a heart attack away from being President.

        • SP ‘Onage

          Yeah, what a nightmare that would have been.

          • BuryTheNuts2

            I agree! And I am not even a Democrat.
            That woman scared me….

      • DeElizabethan

        Excellent article SP’onage.

        http://gawker.com/5185380/sara

        • SP ‘Onage

          Thanks. 🙂

    • Sherbet

      Maybe, eventually, when its tax-exempt status is yanked, scn will morph into what it really should be, a process of improving communication, business skills, and self-realization. The religious angle is fooling no one, and as a healing protocol – Ha! I think only the most tenacious continue to cling to lrh’s bogus medical claims, such as are outlined in today’s Tony/Vance blog. This is not to say I believe for a minute that the tech can improve communication or create a better person out of a hurting one. But if the fake religion, slavish adherence, and frantic fundraising were filtered out, the tech would be left for those who think it works. Once it turns into a business, pure and simple, who cares what scn is selling?

      This is what I hope to happen, anyway. Get rid of the goofiness and evil, and go ahead and sell your snake oil and quick-fix malarkey to anyone who wants it. Caveat emptor, though.

    • N. Graham

      Everyone on the blog is mentioning her aversion to Universal Health Care, but no one has mentioned the Scio aspect yet! Good luck to him, I hope he beats it but will he credit the chemo or Scio if he does?

  • Greg S

    I had house sat for Greta and John about 21 years ago on several occasions. Her husband actually rented my truck from me for about 2 months during that time. They were both very nice people considering I was never officially “in”. Maybe they were nice to me because I looked like a decent prospect.

  • Missionary Kid

    As a wog, I’m running up against a term that I don’t find in any of the $cientology dictionaries (O.K., that one isn’t a dick joke): oiliness. Please clue me in.

    • TonyOrtega
      • Missionary Kid

        Thank you Tony! The article also shows a lot of other crap that has come from the demented mind of the Diminutive Midget.

        I assume that all that stuff is not a part of the architectural public record. You’ve got some good spies.

    • BuryTheNuts2

      http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/2012/01/scientology_oiliness_super_power_building.php
      Also, during the Purification Rundown…you drink vegetable oil to replace the fatty drug invested goo you are ‘supposed’ to sweat out.
      The pictured perceptics machine (oiliness table) is however a wonderful running bunker joke.

      So what is your take on how it can be used?

      Now I bet you can find a dick joke in there somewhere!

      OH, and please don’t stop reading till you get to the pain wall!

      • Missionary Kid

        Saw the pain wall. Ugh!!!

        I’m thinking that they’re gonna use the oil to replace the bad stuff through the pores. Eventually, they’ll probably start using an enema – after all, there are people who claim that coffee enemas do wonders for them.

        It’s actually more medieval than LRH.

        • Considering that the coffee gets absorbed into the blood stream quicker through an enema (than through normal digestion) I’m sure it gives people quite a buzz. If the enema craze were around when Hubtard wrote his genius tech, I wouldn’t doubt that it would be a part of the Purification Rundown. I’m sure many Sea Org slaves would have had to administer those too.

          • Missionary Kid

            Believe me, enemas were big time in the 50s among certain parts of the Chiropractor crowds. They hadn’t gotten started with coffee yet, but they had all sorts of weird stuff going back then. I had a relative who had them.

            I guess that the oiliness tub is some sort of way to get good oils to replace the bad ones. Ahh, the 19th century tech.

            • It may have been a fad in the 50s but it was hardly endorsed by celebrities and Hollywood, and today you can find high-colonic centers (gawd, don’t Google that, whatever you do) that charge a mint to get your ass cleaned out.

            • Missionary Kid

              Just as weird then as now. I grew up in L.A. in the ’50s and ’60s, and believe me, Dianutty was only one of the weird things that went around. People were more reserved, so they never would have talked about high colonics openly.

              I wouldn’t doubt that there were some celebrities who had them.

  • 1subgenius

    Well gee, I wonder what Tom Cruise thinks of this:

    Same Genetic Basis Found in 5 Types of Mental Disorders

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/01/health/study-finds-genetic-risk-factors-shared-by-5-psychiatric-disorders.html?_r=0

    • BuryTheNuts2

      The hell with Tom Cruise!

      According to Harvard AND M.I.T…. I am áberrated!
      It was bad enough when LRH was saying it but this is too much I tell you.
      I am blowing my diet tonight and going to the store to get a bottle of wine and some caviar.

      Why.?…cuz my aberrated ass genetics are telling me too…yep…I can hear the voices in my head right now.

      • Ze Moo

        When you’re friends with the voices in your head, you are never alone.

    • Captain Howdy

      And Clint Eastwood came out in favor of gay marriage !

  • montananut

    let me get this straight…I join scientology and become “clear” so I never get another cold. But if I do get sick, it’s my fault, and no doctors allowed. I’m curious, how do they explain away all the OT 8s that have died of cancer?

    • Captain Howdy

      They pulled it in in a past life or they or their auditor misapplied the tech somewhere along the way.

    • N. Graham

      It was intentional. They just went to the maternity ward to get newer bodies.

  • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

    We in RTC can tell you that the removal of gay engrams is an exact science comparable to brain surgery.

    The removal of gay engrams may only be done in an Advanced Org by special auditors who have completed the Golden Age of Gay Engram Eradication Rundown.

    Moreover, and more to the point, the Scientologist who is mocking up being gay must be willing to unmock being gay.

    A healthy dose of self-hatred and a few hundred thousand dollars for auditing are required to begin the process of degayifying a pc who has mocked up being gay.

    All “electronica”, “club”, or other forms of gay dance music must be removed from the person’s environment so they can begin to destimulate. And no, the music of Cher, Barbara Streisand, or Barry Manilow is also not allowed, nor are Broadway musicals. Gay music is hypnotic and has implanted commands to be gay.

    Anything “gay” in one’s environment — and this includes all items purchased at the Pottery Barn or in any antique store — must be removed. CalMag must be used in place of alcohol.

    Scientologists trying to not be gay must stop being fastidious in appearance and grooming as an overemphasis on appearance only reinforces gay engrams. A simple boilersuit is worn.

    Invariably, being gay is found to be a serfac a person uses to upset their parents and to control their environment. Once a person realizes that being gay is serfacky they begin to unmock the gay engrams.

    As part of Scientology degayifaction, the Scientology Ethics Officer will yell the command, “Stop Being Gay!” several hundred times until the person stops being gay.

    Once the Scientologist has stopped being gay, he or she may never again speak of that part of their life when they were gay. This is best forgotten as the person moves in the heterosexual band above 2.0 and begins to take an interest in going up the Bridge to become an OT.

    • BuryTheNuts2

      Oh next thing you know you will be saying that Gay Men will have to wear bermuda shorts and Lesbians can’t………………….

    • BosonStark

      Can we still keep Judy? No wonder I never became a clam.

      In the Israeli gay movie Jossi & Jagger — I highly recommend it — they proved boiler suits can be quite sexy.

    • Captain Howdy

      OTVIIIisGrrr8!, is this song OK to listen to ? I heard it’s a personal favorite of OTV John Travolta.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5_1-x7UFUg

      • BuryTheNuts2

        I did not know Jeff Stryker had a …um…”music career”.
        I can’t stop shaking just typing that OUT LOUD.
        Howdy, sometimes just not saying anything at all…. is just kinder

        • Captain Howdy

          How the hell do you know who a gay porn star is ?

          • BuryTheNuts2

            How the hell do you know Howdy?

            • Captain Howdy

              LOL I asked first !

            • BuryTheNuts2

              LMFAO….
              It has to do with being in a Porn shop many years ago while trying to buy a rabbit with some girlfriends…(one for each of us)…
              (don’t ask)…and seeing the Jeff Stryker…er ..uh….molded lifelike penis…
              OK I fessed up…YOUR TURN

            • Captain Howdy

              I discovered that gem on WMFU “Beware of the Blog” which features all kinds of rare and weird music.It’s the same place i first discovered the Merry Xmas scientology pageant stuff a few years ago.

              http://blog.wfmu.org/

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Whoa…wait Howdy…You discovered this leather vested douche bag on a blog and I found him in a seedy porn shop in Reno?…

              I am so surprised!

              You are making me look like the degenerate.!!!

              Oh wait…I am..Thanks.

            • Captain Howdy

              Your welcome. Now I’m gonna drunk and listen Mott the Hoople. Ta.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Your fucked!
              And I say that with the most Affection!

              Oh GAWD here comes that dam Horse commercial again ………….GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRrrr

            • BuryTheNuts2

              I am gonna drunk and .er ..uhmm…Ah shit…I don’t know hwat…but I may have to do it twice since I fergot the first time.

            • Captain Howdy

              Play with the rabbit ?

            • I don’t know which of you is my favorite bunkerite – BTN2 or Captain Howdy. Both of you make me larph on a daily basis.

            • Captain Howdy

              And you make me think on a daily basis and i hate you for it ; )

            • Artoo45

              “Seedy porn shop in Reno” is entirely redundant.

            • sugarplumfairy

              ahhh.. Sex and the City.. Samantha was a bad influence on all of us..

            • BuryTheNuts2

              COME ON MAN….U r as busted as I am…………………..LOLz

            • Captain Howdy

              Hey, just because I’m from Frisco don’t make any ASSumptions my dear..not that there’s anything blah blah yada yada

    • Missionary Kid

      Pat Robertson, is that you?

    • N. Graham

      Maybe they could go exterior and while they’re exterior they could run away from their gay part and then hurry up and get back in their body and not let the gay part back in.

    • Chocolate Velvet

      Help me OTVIII, I’m a bit confused. Where do 10CC and a personal tanning bed fit in here? Cause for concern, or not? I only ask on behalf of a friend, who prefers to remain nameless…

  • California

    http://mcalesternews.com/local/x657740362/Local-state-rep-voices-support-for-Narconon

    Republican state representative says he has family member in Narconon, pulls out of supporting OK bill. However, it looks as though there are more than enough Democratic votes in the representative side. The Senate already passed it 100%.

    BTW, there is no way that Narconon will be able to get approved by the new Mental Health/Substance Abuse facility over-sight changes. What is in play now is something called “parity”: the regulations are identical between the two different programs. Mental Health laws/rules/regs are rigorous and have been for year; substance abuse was lacking in anything rigorous and is now being brought up to speed.

    The usual Narconon posturing will not work but Narconon will surely try.

    • DeElizabethan

      Good article, thanks. From reading this I now think that politicians and those with influence or money are targeted and solicited to get family members or friends to go into NarConon. They don’t just wait till they call.

      • BuryTheNuts2

        The asshole seems obviously bought off now doesn’t he?

        • DeElizabethan

          For sure and they will probably have something on him and forever he’s their slave.

          • BuryTheNuts2

            Yep…damn slimebucketfuk

            • N. Graham

              Wait’ll that rep’s relative comes out still addicted to either drugs or Scientology. Would serve him right if the relative disconnected from him for being an SP or something.

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      Sounds like ole’ Brian Renegar needs to receive some educational emails and letters….

      http://brianrenegar.com/

      • California

        Dear Guys:

        Let us look at this from another perspective.

        SCN/Narconon has his family member….. and I would lay money down that other family members know what SCN is all about by now and are furious and scared, in equal measure.

        it is time for the good guys to reach out to this poor conflicted man. He may need us at some point soon.

    • Renegar represents southern and eastern Pittsburgh Co. Guess what county Narconon Arrowhead is in?

  • Couch_Incident

    So long Feffer. Wish I believed in an afterlife with justice meted out – if so, you’d be enjoying a nice “hot” cup of coffee now. Despite the high-minded claims of litigators to be obligated to provide their clients with the best representation possible, they don’t have to take every client. He couldn’t have been unaware of the consequences of his client’s actions – he wasn’t dumb.

    Monique, I hope you think about this every night for the rest of your life. Sure, the money’s great, but is that all there is and should it define you and your impact on the world? Short of dropping your client, nothing you do going forward, and no charitable contributions you make, can atone for your negative impact on the rest of humanity.

  • Just for the record, the two later versions of updated Dianetics were in 1969 and then 1978.

    The 1969 updated verison of Dianetics was called “standard Dianetics.”

    The 1978 update of Dianetics is the current Dianetics taught, and it’s called New Era Dianetics.

    There is a vast difference between today’s Dianetics theory taught, and a shedding of all the intricacies of 1950 Dianetics.

    In 1975 the uptodate standard dianetics of 1969 came out as a single book on Dianetics, showing that Hubbard did wish a full updated book on the subject of Dianetics, showing modern Dianetics. That book, which is out of print now, was called “Dianetics Today” published 1975.

    “Dianetics Today” book became irrelevant in 1978, when Hubbard updated Dianetics again, but didn’t call for another updated “Dianetics” book.

    So the latest Dianetics if simply all contained as a series of issues, within Subject Volume 3. (There are 4 Subject Volumes, and they are the guts of Scientology and Dianetics today, for the Hubbard Bridge, up to the Clear status).

    To put all of Hubbard’s “tech” in perspective, it’s best at least to skim read the 4 Subject Volumes, which contain ALL of the rundowns up to Clear and the non confidential rundowns that can be done like supplements, like the Happiness Rundown, PTS Rundown, Suppressed Person Rundown, and many others, which are in the Subject Volumes.

    Modern Scientology and Dianetics practices do NOT expect 1950 Dianetics to be used as the main theoretical guide.

    If there were a “Bible” core guts book or books, I’d say they would be Subject Vols 1 to 4. And then throw in that unofficial freezone volume of the confidential materials, the volume that TV journalist Nathan Baca held in his hand when he interviewed Tommy Davis and asked Tommy about Xenu.

    One thing that is beyond any observer of Scientology so far in Scientology history, is a detailed dissecting of the Subject Volumes 1-4. No one’s even attempted to take it on.

    1950 Dianetics is only represented in the Subject Volumes in the big principles today.

    Chuck Beatty
    ex Sea Org 1975-2003

    PS: Someone should send Tony the 1991 red volumes, which include Subject Vols 1 to 4, or email Tony and loan them to him, if he wants to go into the guts. .

  • Schockenawd

    Okay, but… let’s just get clear on one thing (pun may or may not be intended): when Vance says “plenty of Scientologists” believe they will never get colds, arthritis or migraines once they go clear, he means “plenty” relative to the entire population of Scientologists. So, in other words, twelve.

  • Here’s a quandary. What would you do to test someone NOT getting a cold? From that excerpt it doesn’t seem like he’s saying there were 270 people who had colds who lost them following going clear. And isn’t that already impossible to test if the first clear wasn’t made until after the book was published?

    Even in the world of lies and falsehoods he created this doesn’t make sense.

  • HOT OFF THE PRESS:

    John Sweeney: talking at the Dorset Arms in East Grinstead.

    http://youtu.be/fGveguTkTxk

    [FTR it’s 20 mins long]

    • DeElizabethan

      Watching now, great and thanks Media L