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Scientology Gets Emotional: Claire Headley on the Tone Scale

bigkeyboardClaire Headley is taking us on our journey to train as Scientologists. She and her husband Marc were Sea Org workers who escaped from Scientology’s International Base in 2005. She spent years working with Scientology’s “tech,” and was trusted to oversee the auditing of Tom Cruise. Go here to see the first part in this series.

For the past two weeks, Claire Headley has been helping us explore one of the most important steps that a Scientologist encounters early in his or her career: the PTS/SP course. Last week, we talked about the policy of “disconnection,” which has a tendency to rip apart families. This week, we’ve asked her to focus on another aspect of the course before moving on — we wanted her to talk to us about L. Ron Hubbard’s “Tone Scale.”

As early as his 1950 book Dianetics: The Modern Science of Mental Health, Hubbard was comparing life to a trip up and down a sort of keyboard of emotions. Later, that notion took firm hold in what he called his Tone Scale — a numerical value for determining a person’s emotional state.

CLAIRE: The Tone Scale is what Scientologists use to “read” people.

It is also what Scientologists use to control people in relation to their emotional states. I can say that I’ve seen this used effectively, but as with most things, I can’t say it’s actually unique to Scientology.

To give a specific example: The infamous video of Tommy Davis and BBC journalist John Sweeney. A Scientologist would tell you that Tommy used the Tone Scale to cause Sweeney’s explosion, by bringing Sweeney “up” the scale from 1.1 — Covert Hostility — to 1.5, Anger.

 
John_Sweeney

 
THE BUNKER: Oh, is that what Tommy was doing? What a master manipulator Anne Archer’s son was. How we miss him. As for Sweeney, we saw him recently in New York, and none of his emotional states — Witty, Inquisitive, and Irreverent — show up on Hubbard’s scale, for some reason. What will you find there?

CLAIRE: The Tone Scale runs from 40.0 at the top (Serenity of Beingness) down to Body Death at 0.0 and then all the way down to -40.0, Total Failure.

 
Tone_Scale
Learning each of these tone levels was considered an important part of Scientology for a few different reasons.

The first time I studied it and did the drills on it, I wasn’t particularly impressed. I could see some use in being able to communicate to someone appropriately, but that’s pretty obvious.

What struck me about the drills was that I didn’t see the purpose in emanating each of the tone levels, and how could you really do the tone levels that are below “body death”? I didn’t see the point. But as with everything I’d learned in Scientology, I did as I was told.

When patter drills (talking to the wall) became part of Scientology training, learning each tone level was added to the mix.

I’d say, from my experience, the tone level given the most focus is 1.1 — Covert Hostility.

Covert Hostility is portrayed as the person who smiles at you while secretly planning to stab you in the back. The snake in the grass. This particular focus was one of many things that eventually led me to realize there is extreme paranoia at the top of Scientology — specifically what I witnessed by Dave and Shelly Miscavige.

And certainly anyone who leaves Scientology is instantly considered 1.1. This is one of the terms that is heard all the time in Scientology lingo: “He’s 1.1” (pronounced “one-one”). It’s commonly heard at Scientology headquarters.

The focus of auditing (Scientology’s counseling) is to move you up the tone scale.

THE BUNKER: As we’ve pointed out before, this equates to a “gay cure” in Scientology. Homosexuals are considered to be 1.1, and are told to “handle” their orientation with auditing. If they do so, their “tone level” will go up, and they will no longer be gay. Or so Scientologists believe.

CLAIRE: On the PTS / SP course, one does drills where you practice bringing someone up the tone scale, and then bringing someone down the tone scale. The point being to teach you to control the reactions in those around you.

Up_The_BridgeI think there are two fatal flaws with how the tone scale is used in Scientology. There are many aspects of the scale that are used to “label” people inside and out of Scientology. This isolates Scientologists and leaves them less able to accept today’s world.

I think another flaw is to try and deal with life in such an insular fashion, reduce everything to black and white. Life just doesn’t go that way. On a personal level, this hit me like a ton of bricks when Marc escaped the compound in Hemet and I was left behind. Of course I was told he was a suppressive person, that I had to disconnect from him. I was told all manner of bad things about him, and had I trusted and believed those labels as I’d been trained to do from age 4, we wouldn’t be having this conversation right now. But that’s a story for another day.

I think a lot of what is covered by the tone scale is simply common sense and is probably covered better elsewhere if I took the time to research this.

For example, I think it’s common knowledge that an angry person will say things they don’t mean.

And certainly there are people who are generally happy and doing well in life, and then there are people who are going through rough patches and aren’t so happy, and there are people who are generally depressed and lethargic.

When I sought therapy during the really tough days of depositions I went through in our lawsuits, I often had to ask my therapist if theories and ideas existed in the real world. I had trouble understanding my thought process and evaluations, which were based on labels from being raised in Scientology. It took me a good length of time to remove those “filters” from my thought process, if that makes sense.

THE BUNKER: We think we know what you mean, Claire. And thanks again for taking us through your Scientology conditioning. Next week, it’s time for the sauna!

 
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Another Glimpse at a Scientology Bonecracker?

Yesterday, LiveLeak posted a video of Scientologists yammering on about “The Basics” — the 2007 reissue of essential L. Ron Hubbard texts that proved to be such a controversial move by church leader David Miscavige.

The video was a fun glimpse at the way Scientologists try to express themselves about their “wins” and “gains,” usually to hilarious effect.

But about 45 seconds into the video, we had a flash of recognition: wasn’t that a younger Ryan Lee, the chiropractor we recently saw in a viral video cracking the bones of models at his Hollywood clinic?

 
Ryan_Lee_Video

 
Here are his lines from the video, which probably came out six years ago: “Just amazing data. It’s like superhero information — it makes you OT.”

Yeah, that’s great stuff. Now take a look again at his viral ad, which featured him standing in front of his Scientology certificates at his chiropractic clinic…

 

 
Same guy, right? “Easy on the eyes,” is how he described himself in another video he made for his business. What a superhero!

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on May 28, 2013 at 07:00

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  • Victoria Pandora

    Yeah, I think it is Ryan. He looks even better now. Got to admit, he is pretty;)

    • BuryTheNuts2

      He is pretty. But all that cracking gives me the ick!

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        You know how women will often say of another woman, “What do men see in her?” It’s true for men, too. I do not see the appeal of creepy Ryan. He looks like an odd-lot Asian Ken doll.

        • BuryTheNuts2

          I don’t see the “appeal” either.

          I just think he is technically pretty.
          (Like imagine if he was funny and clever and a real doctor or janitor or something.)
          But I wouldn’t go near him with someone else’s…well, you know.

        • Well, Tom Cruise looks like an odd-lot European Ken Doll. Scientologists often seem Uncanny Valley to me. Will Smith’s starting to get that look too.

          • Douglas D. Douglas

            Both the Smiths, father and son, have crossed into the Valley. Sad, really.

    • Observer

      His rabid Scientologicalness and general creepiness as displayed in the videos completely negate any physical attractiveness he may possess. Ask me when he’s out of the cult and back in his right mind.

  • Bella Legosi

    YES! I have been waiting for Claire to describe this wacky Tone Scale! I try to describe it myself to others and have a hell of a time!

    I am soooooo glad I have the day off!

    • richelieu jr

      It is hard to explain stupid stuff to people without feeling stupid yourself…

      • Bella Legosi

        So true!

        • ThetaBara

          Bella! You changed your hair!

          • Bella Legosi

            ??

  • Jgg2012

    The tone scale is actually simplistic compared to Carl Jung’s analysis about archtypes. You see, anger is common, but can arise from different things. Is the person too focused on details (and angry about something minor); too influenced by what others say (and not being objective), etc. He had 4 pairs of groupings (16 types) and analyzed how each one behaved. Hubbard, for example, never seemed to realize that he caused other people’s anger by making them work 100-hour work weeks, starting fair game, and so on.

    • Bella Legosi

      I tried reading about Carl back in the day, and you are right he is a bit complex.

      I am sorta on the fence with Freud and Jung. Once I discovered cocaine I completely understood why Freud related a lot of things to sex (and why he thought cocaine was a therapeutic wonder drug). When I was on that stuff I started to notice I would psycho analyze everything, but thankfully I wasn’t hung up on sex. Outside of basic psychology, I am wholly ignorant.

      • BuryTheNuts2

        Good thing you stayed away from LSD!

        LSD is much more profound and creative than cocaine.
        It makes you an instant philosopher and interpreter of fine (and not so fine) art (among other things).

        It also instantly teaches you things like string theory…
        but as soon as you come down you forget how it all works.

        • Bella Legosi

          Yeah, like I have been saying Bella really didn’t need LSD and when she discovered Bolivian Marching Powder……O M G. Looking back on it now I don’t regret doing it. I have stayed away from it for years now, but back then wow……my poor ex in Iraq would get 10 page letters containing my philosophy’s and theories about everything and nothing all at the same time. He appreciated the gesture. He usually took those madness soaked letters with him on mission, cuz he said they were very entertaining! I think I wrote that man 100 letters during the time he was over there!

        • richelieu jr

          LSD and Cocaine are opposite drugs- LSD makes you see infinite interest in everything, it is another plane f consciousness.. Cocaine makes you find yourself infinitely interesting and whoever else is jabbering away on it… I have wasted evenings talking to boring, superficial people about absolutely nothing, but loving every minute of it… Cocaine is fun,but friviolous..LSD is quite an amazing substance, though I’ve not had either for a very long time…

          There’s a reason Ron didn’t want people taking drugs.. They have a nasty tendency to make people think for themselves, and those that don’t– the really nasty, dangerous ones like heroin, give you another god and another focus in life;. Tone Scale? Does it have any smack on it? Then who gives a f—?

        • Missionary Kid

          “…as soon as you come down you forget how it all works.”

          That is the problem with all intoxicants. Think of how brilliant drunks think they are, for example. When a drunk driving stop and field sobriety test are shown to the person arrested when they’re sober, they usually plead out because they look so stupid.

          The problem with drunk drivers isn’t so much the aspect of driving a car, it’s the whole aspect of perception, self-perception, decision-making, and actions that go along with it. Those are also problems faced when indulging in other intoxicants.

          I’m not against a person altering their consciousness once in a while, but I am advocating that everyone knows the limitations of being there.

          If you think you’ve got the next Great Idea when you’re high, videotape it, write it down, or record it while you’re in that state. You may not remember it when you come down. If you’re just enjoying the experience, do it, but don’t drive or engage in anything that will
          endanger your or other people.

          Oftentimes, what ends up being recorded is gibberish, like what people often write down when they wake up from a deep sleep. Occasionally, it really is a brilliant idea that is the result of the subconscious working on a problem.

          The first time I smoked dope, I remember staying in that state for almost 24 hours. Maybe it was the placebo effect, but that was my subjective feeling. I enjoyed the perceived expansion of time, but interestingly enough, I’ve come around to the belief expressed by Norman Mailer about a half century ago that it gives you time, but it steals it from somewhere else.

          Addiction, to me, is a person trying to recapture the original feeling they had when they first used a drug. Unfortunately for them, their tolerance level for the drug often goes up and up the more they use it. The only way they get close to that feeling is to increase the dosage, but in my mind, after the first experience, the ship has sailed, and someone can’t swim fast enough to catch up.

          I’d also like to point out that every person’s biochemistry and psychological make-up is slightly different. That’s why there’s no one size-fits-all antidepressant. It’s also why there’s about 20-30% of the people who are addicts are simply able to walk away. Ref.: Surgeon General C. Edward Koop. Aside from meth, which I don’t have as much knowledge of, I happen to believe that the most addictive substance around is nicotine.

          It’s for those reasons, (complexity of physiology, psychology and human interaction) among many others, that I believe the tone scale is bullshit. People are not two dimensional, as the scale defines them, or even 3 dimensional, but many dimensional.

          • BuryTheNuts2

            But the real question MK, is….did you swallow a couple of cross tops before typing all of this out?

            (joking)

            • Missionary Kid

              🙂 Nope, but I worked doing research in Alcoholism about 40 years ago, and while I wasn’t a counselor, or therapist, the director of the program had a lot of in service training and gave me a lot of papers to read. I also talked to a lot of professionals who were dealing with other addictions.

              I get 1.1 when LRH’s bullshit theories are thrown out there, to use one of the Scion terms because they’re so ignorant, and the sheeple who follow him, even after they’ve left, don’t understand how far his BS has infected the corners of their mind.

            • Poison Ivy

              MK, you are right on. From deep familial experience as well as research, it’s pretty clear to me that addiction/alcoholism are complex and as you say, unique in some ways to every person (though with consistent and predictable threads throughout that help tremendously in getting people to recovery.) The “chasing the dragon” aspect is true of all addicts, I think…but pretty much everyone has a different physical and biochemical make up – genes, environment, co-existing psychological disorders, coping skills – all make up the variations on how a person both responds to an addictive substance and to various methods of recovery. If I recall correctly, I think some of the studies done on people “walking away” from addiction had to do with soldiers who had become addicted to drugs like heroin & speed while in service, correct? There was some thinking that it was a purely physical and situational addiction and so once they had detoxed and were taken out of the situation, they had no more desire for the drug. I don’t know if there was any long term study of whether or not these same men later found other addictions to substitute the one they left behind, but I’d wager that they were at the very least more susceptible to new addictions than a non-previously addicted person. Brain chemistry research indicates that once addiction has changed your brain, it doesn’t change back.

            • Missionary Kid

              I’ll have to admit that I don’t know exactly which studies C. Edward Koop was referring to, but I believe that was one of them. I also have anecdotal evidence of individuals who did that with alcohol and smoking.

              Another study done of soldiers who kicked heroin in Vietnam showed that the withdrawal symptoms were not uniform, but were uniform within the individual’s unit. The conclusion was that withdrawal symptoms for heroin were what the individual expected them to be.

              A group that got to be pretty big in California before it became like Co$, was Synanon. When someone would start to go through withdrawal, they’d just tell them to get back to work, scrubbing toilets. Interestingly enough whn the leader declared that everyone would have to quit smoking, it tore the group apart. That’s REAL addiction, IMO.

              The recent advances in studying brain biochemistry and thought patterns using MRIs and DNA studies are verifying just how complex the problem of addiction is.

              Meanwhile, the fake cure of NarCONon needs to be stamped out.

            • Sidney18511

              We called them white crosses. Reading some of these is like taking a stroll down a hazy memory lane.

            • richelieu jr

              Does white cross even exist ay more, I think your dating yourself, my dear!

          • Poison Ivy

            “It’s for those reasons, (complexity of physiology, psychology and human interaction) among many others, that I believe the tone scale is bullshit. People are not two dimensional, as the scale defines them, or even 3 dimensional, but many dimensional.”

            For some of us, that complexity of human nature – the unending mysteries of the soul, as it were – is where spirituality comes in. Spirituality, to my mind, means asking and meditating on questions, not forcing pat answers on people. Which is why Scientology is about the least spiritual “religion” out there. There’s an answer for everything in Scientology.

            Most of ’em Dead Wrong.

            • Missionary Kid

              The only thing I’d add is that not only is there an answer for everything in $cientology, but they insist that only LRH has the answers.

        • Sidney18511

          Oh yes…..back in the 70’s, a little orange sunshine or purple haze and ALL the answers to the universe were yours. For about 12 hours.

        • Lilaeth

          LSD was my recreational substance of choice in the 80s, but I stopped when I started to fear the inevitable bad trip. I did have a lot of good time with it, mind you. The Marching Powder just made me irritable!

      • Missionary Kid

        Jung and Freud were just trying to describe how the mind works. Freud, IMO, took a more mechanistic approach, and Jung, a more mystical one.

        IMO, if anyone takes what they wrote as gospel, they’re as off base as the clams who take LRH seriously. J & F were ground breakers because they were trying to map the psychology of the mind, and they were making up symbols, such as ego, id, etc, to describe their particular map.

        LRH, on the other hand, borrowed a lot of their concepts, and ran them through his bullshit generator, called his mind, and spewed out Dianutty and $ociopathy.

        Psychology and psychiatry have progressed tremendously since then, but the mind is still very complex, both biologically and psychologically.

        • Bella Legosi

          I think both professions will continue to evolve as new scientific discoveries of the mind are made. Thankfully, with both psychology and psychiatry that is not only allowed but welcomed. That isn’t the case with dianutty and scientiology.

          I say I am on the fence with those two because their work was done so long ago and they really were the pioneers. Imagine if they could live one week in this day in age and what they could contribute with what science has found out about the brain functions and the mind.

          • Missionary Kid

            I don’t know how much they could contribute because it would take them a lot more than one week to catch up. At least they’d find a lot of the territory familiar.

            • Poison Ivy

              I think they’d be surprised at how much they got right – and wrong. One reason I tend to think Jung is more timeless in his thinking is that he backed off from the easy answers and bowed to the mystery of the spiritual. As long as that remains a mystery, I don’t think there can be any “exact” science of the mind, just tools that work to help understand the part of it that can be understood.

            • Missionary Kid

              Very well put, PI. I look at Jung as being too mystical for me, but that’s a matter of taste.

              They deserve a lot of credit for inventing the tools.

      • Racnad

        Bella, did you ever see the LRH-directed Man the Unfathomable? My favorite scene shows Sigmund Freud at his desk with a jar of white powder labeled cocaine. Classic clay demo approach to set decoration.

        • richelieu jr

          We call that ‘post-it’ decoration… Very subtle science, that!

        • Bella Legosi

          lol No I haven’t seen it. But the thought of Freud sitting in front of a jar of coke really made me chuckle! Thanks!

    • richelieu jr

      Yes, but Hubbard’s people clearly pulled that in!

  • Bella Legosi

    “When patter drills (talking to the wall) became part of Scientology training, learning each tone level was added to the mix.”

    Since I have been reading this series that Tony and Claire have been doing, it struck me that DM maybe adding this stuff to prolong one’s experience with in Scientology indoctrination, thus adding more expenses to an already ridiculously over priced “course” and it also occurred to me that prolonging the experience may hold those precious few in, but on the other hand, prolonging this experience may inadvertently cause people to think twice about even getting into this “religion”.

    Good stuff!

  • Sherbet

    I’m always struck by Claire’s articulation and intelligence, especially compared to DM’s tough-guy mouthiness and lrh’s hail-fellow-well-met bluster. Claire expresses herself extremely well and makes her points clearly. That’s impressive, for someone who spent her school years within the alleged church.

  • Sherbet

    Re the Tone Scale graphic — I didn’t know Tribbles were scientololgists!

    • BuryTheNuts2

      The dead tribble is my favorite!

      • Sherbet

        That’s what I look like most mornings.

    • Bella Legosi

      😀

      • Sherbet

        Thanks, Bella! Unlike Tribbles, though, the number of church members is not increasing by leaps and bounds.

        • Bella Legosi

          oh I had to pull that meme out. Trouble with Tribbles is one of my favorite episodes of Star Trek. That is the episode that my dad and I got really baked to and is what let me give that campy show a chance!

          • Sherbet

            Ah, we all have sweet memories of our dads and…wait, WHAT?

            • Bella Legosi

              Yeah, my parents were of the mind that I would smoke pot anyways, so once in a while we would smoke together. Usually watching Star Trek, Army of Darkness, and Yellowbeard. However, at that time we were in AK and poor, so it wasn’t like I was Towlie!

            • Xenu, Lord of Kobol

              Wow … and I thought my dad was permissive with me ruining … I mean running … The galaxy.

            • Sidney18511

              When I was in high schoo I had a friend who used to smoke woth her Dad. I thought it was the coolest thing ever!

          • richelieu jr

            Have you seen the Deep Space Nine episode where they go back in time to those events? Pretty great… and I imagine it is pretty great to get backed to, as well!

            • Bella Legosi

              I prolly have, but haven’t watch Deep Space 9 since I was in high school. That reminds me! I have the internet! I can so correct this!

            • richelieu jr

              Definitely check that one out, if you’re a fan of the original… WIthout a doubt the best of Trek’s often lame attempts to be funny… FTR it is called ‘Trials and Tribblations’…

            • FistOfXenu

              There’s also a movie with the ST:TOS cast that goes back to the 2oth century. Star Trek IV: the voyage home. Funny as hell. Spock is dressed up with a hippie headband to hide his ears. There’s some great scenes in it. There’s Kirk trying to teach Spock to talk like a real earthling, including teaching him to swear. And the classic scene of Scotty trying to talk to a computer, and when it doesn’t answer he picks up the mouse and talks to it like it’s a microphone. And Spock in a tank with a humpback whale mind melding with it.

            • richelieu jr

              Not a fan of ST:IV, i must say, thought the ‘Double dumb-ass on you!” swearing joke is indeed funny!

      • hogarthian

        William Shatner in his prime….. oooooooo younnggg maaaannn! *rubs knees*

        • Bella Legosi

          lol yes he was pretty back in the day. I can admit that!

        • Lilaeth

          My parents both liked ST, so it was the one night of the week we were all fed, bathed, and in our nightclothes before it started – luckily we all (I had 3 siblings then) thought it was great. It wasn’t until I was about 14 when I was raving about how gorgeous William Shatner was, and my mother agreed, that I realised her main reason for watching was him! At 14, to find there’s something that you agree with your mother on, is a bit scary – we both still love him tho!

      • Xenu, Lord of Kobol

        Tribble truffle tiramisu is my favorite desert for dinner featuring meat-sack flambé with spring greens.

        Don’t worry … the meat sacks are bovine. Usually.

  • SFFrog

    I like the use of decimals and their implied precision. 0.02 tones is the difference between Dying and Useless and also the difference between Hopeless and Apathy. Is that meaningful?

    Why is Making Amends 0.75 more than Undeserving? Is Covert Hostility + Apathy equal to Unexpected Resentment?

    And why the mix of nouns, verbs and adjectives?

    • grundoon

      Scientology has to have decimals, that’s what makes it Science.

      • Missionary Kid

        They must go nuts over the Dewey Decimal system. ^^^^

      • SFFrog

        If I were a Scientologist I’d want to take the pseudoscience up another notch and start talking about things like detecting 20 millitone increases.

    • Vistaril

      Good point. That “implied precision” gives the Tone Scale a false sense of scientific rigour that simply does not exist. Bit like the e-meter, actually. Mind you, one wouldn’t want to underestimate the effects on a person sliding down the tone scale . . . who could forget December 1997 when:

      Actor John Travolta was rushed to UCLA Medical Center Monday with a near-fatal tone-scale reading of 0.5, or “grief.”

      Travolta, who has since been upgraded to 2.5, or “boredom,” was quickly revived by emergency-room technicians, attending physician Stephen Citarella said.

      “Mr. Travolta was in an extremely serious condition when he was brought in, but fortunately, he responded well to emergency touch-assist treatment and quickly began making rudimentary wins,” Citarella said. “It’s just lucky that his emergent condition was discovered before he completely went out of affinity with MEST.”

      http://www.theonion.com/articles/travolta-hospitalized-with-critically-low-emeter-r,824/

  • BuryTheNuts2

    Of all of the “stupid” in Scientology….the tone scale is right up at the top of the list!

    • Jgg2012

      If Scientology were all the things Hubbard said it as, he wouldn’t have to worry about people being disloyal or angry. It reminds me of businesses that say “this is not a scam”. Why do they feel the need to say that?

    • Bella Legosi

      I know! When I try to describe this to those who know not what it is, I really do get tripped up and usually end up sounding like I am the crazy one! I really hate that! So, that is when Bella starts quoting Sun Tzu’s Art of War…….Know thy enemy and know thy self and in a 100 battles you will be victorious!

    • Yeah if Games (what ever the hells that is supposed to mean) is 22.0 I have a feeling that Steam is a whole lot better for getting there then any about of can-grabbing.

  • ze moo

    The ‘patter drills’ Claire discussed are just mental conditioning that are designed to indoctrinate the mark into scieno thinking. If you accept the drills, you are a candidate for pay more money and becoming a member of clamdom. The auditors and case supervisors have very clear incentive to keep you on course and paying. I sometimes wonder how, after being raised in the clam world, anyone could get out? It seems that eventually the difference between what is taught and what is practiced catches up with the clam and they start to think for themselves.

    Jason Lee is a putz. “it’s like superhero information — it makes you OT.” When Jason leaps a skyscraper with a single bound, I’ll think about taking him off my putz list.

    • Sherbet

      That’s Ryan Lee. But Jason Lee is probably a putz, too, being a scientologist and all.

      • ze moo

        I stand corrected.

        • Sherbet

          Both Lees could stand to be corrected, that scn is a good-sized lump of happy horsepuckey.

      • Bella Legosi

        He’s the one who named his kid Pilot (forgetting the other ridiculous names he gave that poor kid), got Ethan Supley into scientology (that’s when he started losing all that weight), and his first wife left him due to $cientology (apparently it screwed with their love life).

        • Observer

          Pilot Inspektor. *eyeroll*

          • Bella Legosi

            that poor kid

    • Bella Legosi

      I want to see one OT fly. Just once. Show me a fucking OT who can fly and I will STFU forever on Hubbard, his made up words, made up religion, and how evil I think this who wacky thinking is!

      Downvoter……..I am looking at you! And I am serious. Until I am shown scientologists are really superhuman, instead of super human douche bag manipulators, I will continue my campaign of PTS dissemination of information!

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        How dare you doubt the awesome, awesome capabilities of the OT. Right here you can find example after example of how OT’s are able to WIN and WIN and WIN:
        https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/i-have-a-thetan-who-does-things-to-my-mirror-and-its-annoying-what-should-i-do.105033/

        Just a few examples:
        Someone down the hall from an elevator heard a click, and the elevator WAITED FOR THEM… Another really wanted to watch swimmer Michael Phelps on TV, and his last performance in the Olympics came up JUST AS SHE FINISHED HER LRH LECTURE… One OTVIII found EXACTLY the reading glasses she desired at her local Big Lots, despite the fact that the store “does not carry all of everything”… Still another finished TEN YEARS of being on course for thirty hours a week, a big win, despite the fact they had not yet gotten elected to public office, gotten married, or had a kid.*

        So don’t go around mocking the power of the OT, y’hear?

        *All REAL examples culled from the internet.

        • Bella Legosi

          But not one example of flight!

          😀

        • richelieu jr

          Wait, I didn’t knw about this– Listen, if it’s on the intenet, it’s gotta be true…

      • richelieu jr

        DV is helping you, Bella!

        If you get enough down votes it makes you feel like you are going up, up-, UP and AWAY!!!!! (just by watching them go past!)

      • ThetaBara

        Why do so many of them STILL NEED GLASSES?
        Seriously! Why?

        • Bella Legosi

          I know lol

          I remember watching John Duignan’s video and him saying when he started researching the internet about Hubbard and Co$, what hit him was a picture of Hubbard using glasses and that simple image changed a lot of his thinking in regards to scientology and Hubbard himself!

        • grundoon
          • richelieu jr

            Tweedle Hebe and Tweedle DuM

      • grundoon

        John Travolta can fly, in his very own 707.

        • Missionary Kid

          Hey, just make a reservation with any airline.

          When I take people flying, I often let them do the takeoff. With dual controls, of course.

        • Bella Legosi

          Congrates on that joke! I have to admire one with a dark sense of humor and goddamn if that punchline isn’t the quintessential black humor I don’t know what is!

      • Xenu, Lord of Kobol

        My dearest Bella …

        Flying is an easy feat that anyone can achieve. All it requires is throwing oneself at the ground and missing.

        According to Douglas Adams, as solid a scientist than any OT (if not more so), this can most effectively achieved by being surprised in mid-fall (I don’t recall the specifics but believe it involved aliens suddenly appearing).

        I postulate that such surprise can be achieved sans-aliens by having an OTVIII explain how he/she believes yelling at ashtrays is an effective form of communication training with a straight face.

        I for one would surely be held in sheer amazement at anything that came out.

        • FistOfXenu

          Maybe that’s what they’re doing with the ash trays. They’re trying to surprise the ash trays so much – “hey look! this human is trying to communicate with me!” – that they fly.

        • Bella Legosi

          *mind has been BLOWN*

          Do you think the secret to OT Flight capability’s can be achieved thru TR.45???????

          • Xenu, Lord of Kobol

            I find the postulate as plausible anything I’ve seen expressed by LRH … if not more so.

    • FistOfXenu

      Don’t take him off it. That just makes him a flying putz.

  • “Just amazing falsehoods. It’s like supervillain information — it makes you cray-cray.”

  • Anyone else getting the feeling that more or less everyone in that The Basics-video where high on something more then life?

    I’m looking at you “it’s a superhighway”-guy!

    • Missionary Kid

      It’s the type of euphoria that people have when they’ve been swept up in the emotional experience of a rally. If you’ve ever been to a bible camp or a revival, that’s the type of groupthink that’s in action.

      It’s a very temporary feeling. That’s why it’s called a revival.

      • Well I guess that makes more sense then them smoking a fat-y one.

        Unless it was filmed in a Narconon facility, then all bets are off on what and how much they where taking.

        • Missionary Kid

          I think that if they smoked it in a NarCONon facility, it wouldn’t count against their statistics, either.

          It’s also the kind of euphoria that a kid gets the first time I take them flying, but the difference is, the Scion experience is all group-induced.

          I’m willing to bet that before they went on camera, they had a $cion mental fluffer to prepare them, then, after many takes and cuts and splices, only the very best parts were used.

          • FistOfXenu

            Therapeutic hashish for medical purposes. Of course. 😛

            • Missionary Kid

              Come to California and get a scrip for MJ. The stuff that’s sold now is about as powerful as hash used to be 45 years ago, IMO.

              Research says that grass is about 30 times as powerful now.

              Of course, everyone griped when the the price of a Ki went from $100 to $120 in ’68.

    • grundoon

      L. Ron Hubbard says something can be done about it! HCO BULLETIN OF 20 SEPTEMBER 1968, “GLEE”: “When you see glee on some fellow on a post, realize it’s because he doesn’t understand what he’s doing. He’s ignorant about something and above that is confusion and above the confusion you see glee. … But this glee is nevertheless a kind of insanity. Freud mentioned that people who couldn’t understand something sometimes giggled in an embarrassed kind of way. I rarely take any data from him but in this case, he was right. It was a good observation. However, he had no cure for it. You can get a whole area into a kind of glee when they don’t grasp what they are doing. If you see somebody in glee, get a Remedy B run on them in Qual.”

      • Hehe, I bet Gold Era production is feeling pretty silly now.

        grundoon you are to be pretty boss at knowing bout Scientology just to pull something like that out of your braindbox.

  • Jefferson Hawkins

    The Tone Scale was another attempt by Hubbard to take a complex, nuanced subject (human emotion) and reduce it to a simple chart or scale that “explained everything.” It’s main use in Scientology is control. The theory is that if you go half a tone to one tone above where a person is on the Tone Scale, you can control them. That’s why you saw Tommy Davis getting angry at John Sweeney. Sweeney was “obviously” at 1.1 since he’s an SP, and “of course” one controls an SP with anger. The Tone Scale is also used pretty universally in Scientology to judge others and put them down. “He’s 1.1.” “She’s dramatizing Grief” and so on. As a result, Scientologists avoid exhibiting any of the “lower emotions” like grief or anger, and end up being these sort of faux-cheerful somewhat wooden automatons, with all “lower” emotions thoroughly in check.

    • BuryTheNuts2

      Jeff, sometimes I am surprised that Scientologist’s don’t have to escort each other to the bathroom!

      • Bella Legosi

        I have heard that they DO do that Bury!

        • BuryTheNuts2

          You have a point Bella!

      • richelieu jr

        They do on occasion- Read Jenna’s book!

      • Victoria Pandora

        oh, they only do that when you are in a lower condition or being baby-sat. it’s creepy, REAL creepy, to use Tommy language.

      • richelieu jr

        They followed Sweeney (and company) into the john when he was at the Celebrity Centre…

    • Bella Legosi

      When I saw $cientology and Me and it got to that explosive part, I remember that is exactly how my boss at the care home and I got into it. She was pulling the same shit on me, while trying to degrade my tone of voice, plus my weight. I told her to fuck right off and stop changing the subject and began speaking in a calm voice and then asked why the hell she was screaming at me. That is when she would call me whiny and suppressive.

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        When people express anger at me it has the effect of making me calmer and more rational. There’s something so… winning… about seeing your opponent sputter and foam without achieving their desired result.

        Not that I have anything against anger. Legitimate anger is a great way to vent frustration. But using anger in any way– rational or irrational– to gain points in a conflict is counter-productive. Two angry people yelling at each other aren’t really communicating, are they?

        • Bella Legosi

          No. That isn’t communication anymore……..it’s a pissing match.

          Me and that lady lost our shit on a couple of occasions. Toward the end I would shake my head and quit talking altogether. She tried so hard to get me to back down and thought my silence was her “winning” moment, but then I would calmly describe the shit I had seen and the amount of paper work I had done for her (that kept her in a job) and reminded her that I didn’t have to work for her and in fact her ass was lucky I did, cuz I doubt anyone else would take that amount of crazy for minimum wage.

          • richelieu jr

            Minimum wage? Thise SeaOrg people must have been looking up to you like you were the Queen of England!

            • Bella Legosi

              Aye, that is the weird thing. I strongly believe that this woman wasn’t that involved with the corporate church at the time I worked for her. I believe she was declared “clear” back in the 80’s and didn’t pick up the Kool Aid again until some dude broke her heart. That is when her auditor ‘friend’ came around and that is when I started noticing hundreds of dollars being paid out to this lady, plus the costs of new books and E-meter.

    • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

      Jeff, we in RTC remind you that the Tone Scale is so precise that NASA astronauts should have used it on all space missions. But NASA didn’t use it and look at where the space program is today: A glib wog astronaut singing a druggy space anthem when he should be praising David Miscavige for the millions of Ideal Orgs that can be seen from outer space!

      http://youtu.be/KaOC9danxNo

      • John P.

        That astronaut was not a regular American astronaut. He was from Canada, a small region of upstate New York. They have their own space program which is a bit more low-budget than the regular NASA one which operates on behalf of the rest of the American population. Because of their low space budget, NASA lets the Canadian astronauts get away with some stuff that would be verboten for others. You’ll have to go to Canada to talk to their space program to straighten it out. We in Global Capitalism HQ recommend that you wait until summer, the week-long interval in July between when the glaciers recede and hockey season starts up again.

        • BuryTheNuts2

          And besides, that video is fucking cool ass!!!

          • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

            It is an amazing video, one of the best ever.

        • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

          We in RTC were under the impression that, due to global warming, Canada had been submerged under a new ocean as happened to Atlantis.

          We say this because we called our Ideal Org in Canada repeatedly and no one answered the phone. Likewise our e-mails were ignored. Whereupon. and more to teh point, COB fired a Sea Org mission to Canada.

          Equipped with scuba gear and a bathyscaphe rented from the Russians, the mission was to dive under the frothy brine and rescue upper level course packs from the file cabinets in the submerged Org.

          Imagine Mr. David Miscavige’s chagrin, then, after spending $10,000,000 on this rescuse mission to find that the Ideal Org had simply failed to pay its electric bill and so the power had been cut off for six months.

          Mr. Miscavige went nuclear and ordered good ol’ fashioned Islamic-style religious beatings of all Canadian Scientologists who had obviously conspired to embarrass and humiliate both COB and the Church in this way.

          http://actforamerica.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/01020144517000.jpg?w=683&h=442

        • ze moo

          The ice is off Lakes Erie and Ontario, Canadian summer has arrived. And hockey and basketball playoffs are still going on.

      • Bella Legosi

        Thank you for bringing up NASA! Did you know the man who headed the V2 rocket program and used slave labor went on to become NASA’s first director? He also designed the creepiest and most annoying ride ever………It’s A Small World for Disneyland.

        • Argh, now I’m going to have that song in my head for a week.

          • Bella Legosi

            never underestimate the power of Disney Tech

            • Observer

              If I were making comparisons, I’d say “It’s a Small World” is the Disney equivalent of Black Dianetics.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              I would call it “Fair Gaming”!!!

            • Bella Legosi

              I can see that. All of them are white and robotic. At least when I went on it nearly 30 years ago. I only rode that ride one time, I didn’t care for it, and my mom thought it was very creeptastic and very annoying.

            • Missionary Kid

              When my youngest was little, we went through it once with the whole family. That was enough for me, but his brother then got to pick a bunch of rides, so the wife took the other one and did something else while I went through it a couple more times.

              If I’d started to become a mass murderer on the spot, all I’d have to do to get off on a plea of temporary insanity would to make the jurors go through the ride 3 times, with another hour of a small kid humming or singing the song.

            • Poison Ivy

              I was 14 when I went to CA for the first time w/my family. We got stuck in the ride next to the laughing hyena for 30 min. and almost missed the fireworks. It was a long 30 minutes, with the song AND stuck next to the hyenas. Fortunately we made it into a family joke; but I think another 30 minutes and I would’ve had to start therapy much younger.

            • Missionary Kid

              I understand completely.

            • Xenu, Lord of Kobol

              My understanding is that you can be de-programmed from Scientology.

              I am aware of no such recovery program for “It’s a Small World”.

              In fact, IASW was an early trial implant deemed to cruel to implement on a widespread basis. The only implant deemed worse was known as “The Macarena”.

            • Missionary Kid

              May DM be chained in a box under the ride for the rest of his life for the evil he’s done.

            • Bella Legosi

              Fuck that…….that is still TOO GOOD for that man.

              I suggest using MK Ultra and Beyond tactics for this special man. Break him in half, on camera! Jesuits did it to Buddhist monks, therefore it begs to reason it can also be done to DM. Mix in some Spanish Inquisition with some 20th & 21st century tech and pharms!

              Holy shit…….someone give my info to Homeland or CIA! That is a fucking fantastic idea! When oh when will they notice my genius?

              *tin foil hat*

              I do believe they have noticed me and my crazy little schemes and plots; they remove the best ideas at night while I listen to Coast to Coast AM! It’s all in Harry Potter man! That memory removing Dumbledore device is REAL! There is no ASSAD! Bella thought him up back in high school for the Alaskan government, while Sara Pailin was mayor of Wasilla!

              *tin foil hat off*

            • Missionary Kid

              PUT THE RADIO DOWN!

              Coast to Coast radio is filled with as much evidence as LRHs writing, and a huge surfeit of misinformation, conspiracy theories, and wackoids. Listen to it long enough, and you’ll either go around the bend or blow.

              Perhaps a better torture for the dwarfenfuhrer would be to be chained in a box and to listen to recordings of Coast to Coast 24/7. After that, he’ll accept waterboarding for relief.

            • Bella Legosi

              Waterboarding is soooooo 2006 Kid! I vote Room 101.

            • Missionary Kid

              It’s been so long since I read 1984, I had to look it up. I think that what should start things off is a modified E-meter like the one LRH wanted to end his life, but not quite as high a voltage, so it just shocks the hell out of him.

            • Bella Legosi

              1984, Brave New World, and Farinheight 451 are the Trinity Books of any conspiracy theorist! I love them all. I have to say though that Brave New World is my favorite. There is a lot of thought and imagination contained in those 200+ pages!

            • Missionary Kid

              My Alma Mater was the first place that Huxley lectured at in the U.S. He hung out with a friend of mine’s stepdad, but I never got to ask her about him.

              I read them all over 40 years ago, and I actually got to talk to Ray Bradbury about 20 years ago.

            • Bella Legosi

              oh you lucky lucky bastard! Why haven’t you written some sort of memoir?

            • Missionary Kid

              Huxley was at my school way before I was. My friend Pepa was a kid when her stepdad, a well established muralist hung out with him.

              I’d seen a great 3 act Bradbury play in about 1963. Years later, I asked him what happened to it at a function he was at. He said that it was made into a movie that I’d seen but it was long and boring, even though it had a cast of excellent actors. He said that the guy who directed it was a car dealer who put the money up to play director and ruined it.

              I agree. In spite of having Rod Steiger in it, it sucked.

            • Bella Legosi

              I have been listening to C2Cam since middle school! I usually don’t bother when they are shilling natural medicines or showcase guests like Whitley Strieber and Alex Jones. I listen to it these days cuz I do love a conspiracy theory! I am used to sleeping with some sort of noise, and because I do not have a TV in my room, I turn on am radio. I don’t believe 99% of what is said on that show anymore.

            • Missionary Kid

              I was kidding you, of course. No need to explain

        • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

          You are speaking of the wholetrack Nazi Psych implanter Werner Von Braun.

          This Nazi was brought into America through the Nazi Psych program known as “Operation Paperclip” — which itself was a part of the MK Ultra program that we in the Church of Scientology exposed!

          http://www.projectcamelot.org/dane_tops.html

          • Bella Legosi

            *puts on tin foil hat*

            Yes yes I am very aware of PaperClip, but I strongly feel scientology was either influenced by MKUltra or was a direct creation of it!

            *takes tinfoil hat off*

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              Why Miss Legosi, you’re beautiful…

            • Bella Legosi

              I do try

              😀

            • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

              NO BELLA LEGOSI NO!

              There is no tin foil here!

              In a series of hard-hitting exposes for which a dozen Pulitzer prizes should have been won, Freedom Magazine blew the lid off the Rockefeller-Nixon-Psych operation code-named MK Ultra.

              The ultimate purpose of MK Ultra was to infiltrate and destroy the Church of Scientology!

              Read it here at this Church of Scientology Freedom Magazine link:http://30th.freedommag.org/page17.htm

            • Bella Legosi

              *puts the tin foil hat back on*

              I believe Co$ and Dianetics were influenced or created by MKUltra, to spread a pseudo-mind control- religion among Red Russia. Remember they were not too compromising with “religion”, so what better way to scramble those commies then to implement a “religion” that really isn’t a religion at all, that only serves to benefit those at the top, while proclaiming that it is a way of life rather then religion?

              In fact, is it not true that Hubbard himself, believed the Commies were after his precious “tech”? Did he not contact the FBI and claim that Dianetics was of such importance that communists had already tried or straight infiltrated his group for the express purpose of disseminating scientology and dianetcs across Russia at this time?

              *takes the tin foil hat off*

            • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

              Poppycock!

              Dianetics and Scientology were created to free people from the Russian Communist brainwashing that was rampant at the time.

              Dianetics and Scientology triumphed when the Soviet Union collapsed but are we thanked for ending the Cold War?

              No!

            • Xenu, Lord of Kobol

              You are not thanked for ending the Cold War because you ushered in Global Warming with your constant output of hot air.

            • Bella Legosi

              LOL

              I am sorry! I see the light now OTVII! You have confronted and shattered my suppression with the fists of a mighty theaten warrior! I shall forever be in debt to RTC and Source for this enlightenment! So do I make the $1,000,000 check out to DM himself or one of your many “good works” organizations? I can also authorize the RTC to be beneficiary on not only my life insurance, but also my parents and grandparents! They will forever be thankful that you have shown this PTS wog the truth path to the bridge of total freedom!

            • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

              Bella Legosi, your success story is a shining beacon of light and hope in a world filled with a Scientologylessness despair and darkness. We will post your SS on the wall in the lobby of the RTC Bldg (Bldg 50) here at Int Base.

              Please make the check, and your will, out to the International Association of Scientologists.

              If you have any questions please visit the IAS website: http://www.iasmembership.org/

            • Bella Legosi

              My will! OMG Thank you so very much for reminding me about that document. And the reward for you in the RTC shall be my eternal gratitude; also I shall be revising the will’s of those of my parents and grandparents to reflect their undying support for all that you do for planet Earth!

              I knew those law classes would be of some use! Thank Source and COB for showing me the light and true path of an eternal Operating Theaten!

              May I please get a refill on my kool aid? I am beginning to feel PTS again!

            • Xenu, Lord of Kobol

              I can’t tell if you are posting at tone 0.03 (Helpless) or -4.0 (Needs Bodies).

              Please clarify.

            • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

              We in RTC are at 22.5 (Wants All Your Money)

            • richelieu jr

              I am at level -4.44 (needs four female bodies for….? ASAP…)

            • Xenu, Lord of Kobol

              Written like a true Frenchman …

          • Jgg2012

            Where was Lisa McPherson on the tone scale?

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          While Wernher von Braun did appear on Disney TV programs dealing with “Man in Space,” he did not design its a small world. That was done by a group of Disney artists and designers– led by Mary Blair. Further, it was designed for the New York World’s Fair, and then moved to Disneyland. It has been cloned into every Magic Kingdom park around the world. The theme song plays every moment of every day, somewhere in the world. And now, also in Lliira’s head, as well.

          • Bella Legosi

            Thank you for correcting me! It is appreciated, as Bella hates having the wrong info! See, I can freely admit when I am wrong, and I don’t even feel 1.1 about it!

            🙂

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              That’s why it’s called the FreeZone…

            • Missionary Kid

              Are you sure it isn’t because you don’t give a shit? 😉
              Naw, you do really care. You just want to be accurate.

            • Missionary Kid

              Here’s Tom Lehrer singing about Werner Von Braun
              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEJ9HrZq7Ro

              Lehrer was so far ahead of his time. Listen to the rest of them. One of my favorites is Pollution:
              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGFbS_jdSl0

            • richelieu jr

              Once ze rockets are up, who cares where they come down?
              That’s not my department!” says Wernezr von Braun!

            • Missionary Kid

              My cousins and friends knew more about Lehrer than most of my American friends when I visited them over 40 years ago. Lehrer quit performing while he was WAYYY ahead.

              http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Lehrer He’s 85 now, and retired from teaching math at UCSC.

      • Xenu, Lord of Kobol

        “Covert Hostility is portrayed as the person who smiles at you while secretly planning to stab you in the back.”

        Can you clarify whether or not your avatar is used to illustrate tone 1.1?

        I’m not suggesting you are engaging in any same gender activity (I leave that to Marty Rathbun in the linked article) contrary to Church doctrine (we know how ethical you are).

        Instead, just wondering if this is an example of your leadership efforts to teach us all what these different tones look like.

        http://markrathbun.wordpress.com/tag/dr-gene-denk/

      • InTheNameOfXenu

        Those are millions of empty cathedrals as seen from space.

    • Excellent point, Jefferson.

      By putting human emotions on a scale, and teaching Scientologists that contentment is more “pro-survival” than anger, and other “lower” emotions, Hubbard was able to get Scientologists to suppress their emotional states and disconnect from themselves and what they were really feeling.

      He also taught them that “Human emotion and reaction is the primary barrier to production”. This, in practice, further alienates a Scientologist from what he is actually experiencing inside his own mind and heart, and can be the cause of mental instability and worsened emotional problems for a Scientologist.

      Most legitimate therapies try to bring a person into communication with all of their emotions without judging them as “good” or “bad”, “pro-survival” or “contra-survival”, because this leads to self-discovery, greater stability, and improved mental health.

      Whether Hubbard was just crazy or evil still has not been settled. But what has been settled is that he did not know what the fuck he was talking about when it came to mental health.

      Alanzo

      • Also, people who don’t feel emotions cannot make any kind of decisions. So get people to suppress their emotions enough, and they no longer have the capability to make choices, making them dependent on the cult.

        • Missionary Kid

          I disagree. They can make decisions, they just often make very selfish decisions that get them into trouble because they piss off people around them.

          The blowback can be spectacular.

          • As with Tom Cruise’s infamous interview with Matt Lauer.

            Tom thought he was “putting ethics in” on Matt, and on the society as a whole. He had no conception of how he would appear to others, and how they would react.

            Scientology, and all totalist ideologies, have this effect on the personal relationships of the fanatic: They lose the ability to see themselves as others see them. They push their ideological agenda to “create a better world” – even if it destroys everything around them.

            Eric Hoffer described this very well in “The True Believer”:

            http://www.amazon.com/True-Believer-Movements-Perennial-ebook/dp/B003TO5838/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1369782946&sr=8-1&keywords=the+true+believer+eric+hoffer

            • Missionary Kid

              I’d forgotten about Hoffer. Perfect description of Scientologists.

            • Lady Squash

              That interview was so embarrassing. I guess I was never totally brainwashed. I could see how inappropriate his behavior was and how he had probably been drilled and prepped to be that way. This was Scientology’s big moment to put ethics in on the world. LRH writes about the world out of comm. But it is Scientologists who are out of comm with the world. The irony is so rich.

          • Actually, there are studies on this focusing on people with brain injuries that make them unable to feel normal emotions. Even the tiniest decisions, like what to eat, are too much for them.

            You can’t even be selfish unless you feel and therefore know what would make you feel good.

            • Missionary Kid

              Those under the spell of Co$ still have emotions. They just learn to subvert them to the evil empire and hide them.

              I believe that emotions are like an air mattress. You can hold it down in one area, but they will pop up in others.

          • Poison Ivy

            Agreed. People who don’t feel emotions (sociopaths) or people who wall themselves off from their emotions in order to make decisions that – if they listened to their hearts – they might not necessarily make – can succeed in a self-interested way, but do not succeed in furthering their interpersonal relationships in the long run. One case in point – Hubbard.

      • Theo Sismanides

        Yes, try to be next to person who is constantly angry and one who is constantly contented and see which one is more pro-survival.

        • Depends on the circumstances, Theo: If we were in the middle of a shock and awe campaign, the angry guy would be way more “pro-survival” than the contented guy.

          The Emotional Tone Scale is a dysfunctional oversimplification of emotion, and its handling for a healthy life. And as I demonstrated, it is actually harmful to a person over time if practiced as Hubbard preached it.

          • Theo Sismanides

            No I am talking about normal situations and on an every day basis. You think you know it all. Have you read Science of Survival? Before you talk about the Tone Scale you should have read this, at least. All, those authorities judging everything without having read the proper material, and then judge. It’s no oversimplification, you oversimplify it because you are bored to read and then judge.

            • Theo –

              I was a Scientologist for 16 years. I spent 7.5 of those years working on staff in missions. I am a “Clear”, a trained course supervisor, an Ethics Specialist, a Data Series Evaluator and I have read every basic book, including Science of Survival, at least 4 or 5 times, as well as trained to Level J on the Saint Hill Special Briefing Course.

              L Ron Hubbard’s Emotional Tone Scale has crippling effects on the mental and emotional health of Scientologists over time because it plots emotions on a scale from “good” to “bad” and thus walls-off huge parts of a Scientologist’s emotional states from himself.

              Now – what is your training in real therapy besides Scientology? Do you think you should actually be disputing what I am saying if you have not done anything else than study L Ron Hubbard?

              Have you even read this book, for instance?

              http://www.amazon.com/Emotional-Intelligence-ebook/dp/B000JMKVCG/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1370011620&sr=8-1&keywords=emotional+intelligence

              If not, and you have not read many other authors, but only L Ron Hubbard, why would you think your opinion on emotions in therapy are well-rounded and have anything to do with valid therapy?

              Alanzo

            • Theo Sismanides

              I haven’t read those books but I don’t have any crippling effect on my mental and emotional health because of the Tone Scale. It’s true that Reason, Analyticalness and other such stuff are more emphasised than Emotion by LRH and that may be a flaw. I have seen many dead serious Scientologists. I don’t know if this a problem created by Ron and his tech though rather I think it’s a problem of the people themselves who just start learning something and tend to forget all about themselves. And then they become Fanatics.

              So, I don’t know if it’s a problem of the tone scale. Surely I can see that emotions are kind of thought as lower stuff and might be, but they are essential to Homo Sap… I think the higher one goes the more understanding of Emotion he/she should be but we see the opposite in the church. There is a flaw. I don’t think it’s the tone scale per se.

              It’s great you were on staff and that you have done all this stuff. I can talk to you then in other terms and words. I think I have seen your name even posting on Marty’s which is good.

              In any case we can discuss more on this… I would like to read more things… I guess that’s a good book but I cannot afford it now.

            • All right, Theo.

              There are a lot of great ideas outside of Scientology which can inform a person, through the use of Logic 8, as ideas of comparable magnitude to ideas inside Scientology.

              The book “Emotional Intelligence” is a great popular level book which can be revelatory on the strengths and weaknesses of LRH’s teachings on human emotions and the use of the Tone Scale.

              By the way, you can probably pick up a used copy from Amazon for only a couple of bucks. And I’m almost positive there will be a copy in your local library, maybe even in Greek!

              Alanzo

            • Theo Sismanides

              I will look for it Alanzo and thanks. It’s also very important to me to have data of comparable magnitude. The problem I have seen with some authors though is also that because of some difficulties in expression or their style of writing it’s harder to get than LRH. Of course that does not mean that what they write about is not worthwhile. Another thing is that I am bettering in english my reading abilities, as time goes by, lol. Still looking for words, on Kindle which I have there is an integrated dictionary and this is great.

              However, a paper copy is always better for my eyes as now the body is becoming soon 54, lol, so the computer some times makes me tired reading long pieces of writings.

              In any case thanks for the interest.

            • I think your English is great. Way better than my Greek!

              Alanzo

            • Theo Sismanides

              Well, thank you. It’s inevitable, English is the 4th dynamic language for a long time now and is going to be.

      • Alice Smith

        I’ve been trying to sort out if Hubbard was crazy of evil or both. He does not fit the antisocial 12 characteristics of a sociopath, like David Miscavige. But Hubbard is certainly a jerk. His megalomaniacal experiment in mind control has left tremendous wreckage of lives in its wake.

        The policies of the Sea Org are built on the violations of human rights, and the Church of Scientology had one fate and one fate only: it would naturally end up in the hands of a monster: DAVID MISCAVIGE.

        The biggest downfall of Scientology: NO OBJECTIVE DEFINITION OF RIGHT AND WRONG, like other religions have (e.g., Ten Commandments). Bad is just down-tone, down-stat or being a disloyal group member. Well, that’s just great!

        Hubbard drove himself insane with his body-thetan nonsense (which does suggest schizophrenia). He died in a trailer, in hiding with no family around, on anti-psychoitc medication, haunted by body-thetans. I don’t think he lived a very enjoyable life. I’m imagine that wherever he is in the universe now, he is in severe spiritual pain over what he has done and his legacy. I really do perceive that. I’m very OT.

    • Jgg2012

      Yes, in Scientology it’s always your fault. Sweeney was angry, but Tommy caused his anger. Scientology has also caused grief, disillusionment and despair, as well as bankruptcy.

    • Lady Squash

      So true, so true and Tommy Davis’ anger came off as very phoney and painful to watch especially if you understand the messed up mindset behind it. I never had much affinity for the Tone Scale and once I got out, I began to understand why. It’s BS and does very little to foster better relations. But I spent years trying to understand it and apply it to better my life. All the time thinking it was me, because I couldn’t. And as Tony said, where’s witty, inquisitive, irreverent. And how about compassion and love.

      I spent the better part of my life walling off the lower tones because they were “unacceptable”. My OT husband told me that a Clear wouldn’t be upset because of something irritating he was doing. And I believed him. Afterall, he was an OT and I was just a Clear.

      I was so brainwashed!

    • InTheNameOfXenu

      Jeff, in other words by controlling their emotions they are like the Vulcans on Star Trek or worse the ‘Pod People’ from Invasion of the Body Snatchers. I certainly can relate. I was a Scientologist more than 20 years ago. Org staff member treat each other like shit. While on staff for only a year, I never encountered as much nastiness between people in all my life. And they are supposed to be homo novis. What a crock of shit! Scientology is 1.1, to use their vernacular.

  • Observer

    Scientology is the very definition of 1.1, with frequent forays into 1.9, and -40 is looming large on the horizon. It’s been commented on before, but it’s very telling that Hubbard ranked positive things like sympathy, propitiation and making amends lower than hostility. The fact that failure is ranked lower than body death is consistent with his statement that “we’d rather see you dead than incapable”, which is horrifying when you think about the implications (especially when R2-45 is thrown into the mix).

    “Easy on the eyes”, huh, Ryan? I’m afraid I’d go more with “creepy pretend doctor”. That ad of his gave me many engrams and a case of the heebie-jeebies that has not yet fully subsided.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Heebie-jeebies? Mercy!

      Does he also give you the Wim-wams? Or just a bad case of the Vapors?

      • Observer

        All of the above, as long as you mean vapors in a negative way. And the wiggins.

    • Bella Legosi

      I have noticed that what makes other religions, religions, scientology really has no need of them or deems them so low that they are not to be concerned about things like compassion, making amends, or sympathy.

      But, then again just how far would scientology have gone if they really did enact these? Isn’t it the point of CULTS to eradicate those things?

  • aquaclara

    Davey, when will you see that you’re at the -30 on the Tone Scale?
    -30 = Can’t Hide.

  • Bella Legosi

    I wonder if people fart when they get their back cracked like that!

    lol aaahhh too bad Dr.Lee doesn’t have his office in Portland. That would be worth the money. Just eat a crap load of artichokes and beans before you go in. Oh the things I ponder.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Eeeeeeeew.

      But I do like the funny.

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      Keep up with these type of comments and you’ll move ahead of of BTN and Kim on my SP crush list.
      😉

      • Bella Legosi

        Thanks…….I noticed the votes yesterday and wouldn’t you know it….I am moving straight up and vertical!

  • BosonStark

    In their commercials, Scientology has veered toward a lower key cerebral approach in recent years — “It’s chocolate and paperclips — it’s life,” yet that old blew-my-mind enthusiasm probably drew in more customers. It doesn’t matter if what they say is gibberish, they seem enthusiastic and happy.

    The problem is now, people with the Internet can read about what leads to that feeling, and even the social pressure or satisfaction of making a video like that within the group. With video on the Web, there’s the worse problem of people who make those endorsements leaving, as Tory did. They can’t even risk having an outside spokeshole.

  • FLUNK_101

    I think my favorite days on this blog are Jon Atack’s and Claire Headley’s.
    Claire is very charming. Talk about an intoxicating mixture of intelligence and femininity! She’s the … oh … Hi, Marc!

    • Bella Legosi

      I agree with you 100% on that Flunk and with 100% certainty!

    • Xenu, Lord of Kobol

      Absolutely. There’s something about her picture that just invites you into the conversation.

      In some ways her public persona seems the perfect counter-point to Marc’s.

      Where you know that Marc is yelling at you, Claire strikes me as the perfect Brit who will not only call you out for being a git but do so in a manner that engenders your agreement and apologies.

      • FLUNK_101

        The Headley’s seem like nice people. Being nice people, as well as ex-Scientologists, we have a lot in common.
        I really don’t see a guy like Marc Headley yelling at me, or Claire Headley calling me a “git.”
        Sounds to me like you’re describing how they’d react to you, not me, you pathetic, low-IQ asshole.
        Have a nice day, shithead! 🙂

        • Xenu, Lord of Kobol

          Uh oh … my point has been missed … must work on translation.

          Let me try again:

          – Marc seems (from what I’ve read in his posts) to be direct, blunt
          – Claire seems (from what I’ve read in her interviews) to be polite, charming
          – I think their approaches in calling anyone a profanity/stupid would reflect those differences
          – I actually like both of them (as far as a complete stranger who knows them only from blogs can) and consider them remarkable for how they have come through serious ordeals
          – The “you” referenced in my comments was in a generic state and not in regard to -you- in particular

          With that said … my apologies for any inferred offenses … none were intended ….

    • richelieu jr

      Well, Marc seems like a good guy, good-looking, tall, good father, proved his love to her throughout the whole ‘disconnection’ circus…

      But honestly, besides all that, what the hell does she see in him? I’m sure she’d be happier with some semi-anonymous internet commenter who probably has a sexy accent for all she knows…

  • BuryTheNuts2

    Accountable -0.7

    What the hell does this mean?
    You are already dead at 0.0.

    Arbitrary bullshit is arbitrary!!!

    • ThetaBara

      … and bullshit!

      • richelieu jr

        Stop being so arbitrary!

  • Simple Thetan

    While I believe the Tone Scale theory is a simplified but workable one, I do not see what happened with Sweeny as him “being raised to 1.5”. There Tommy Davis was manipulating him by cynically and viciously using bad communication. Sweeny allowed himself to be dragged into it.

    I in his place would have just stood quietly and smiled sweetly at him. But that would have made me “1.1”. Oh, well.

    • Bella Legosi

      Speaking from experience, Sweeny gets a pass on that from me personally. I have been there and sometimes the last resort is screaming, cuz the person is obviously NOT listening to you (notice Sweeny does calmly ask Davis, “Do you understand me?” and when it is obvious that Tommy keeps employing the “bigoted” line, Sweeny continued screaming). What do you expect to happen when what you know to be true, is being flatly denied or lied about, and both parties KNOW this, yet the other party continues verbal abuse, accusations, and ignoring your statements, THEN turns around and accuses you of the same shit?

      It’s called Nurse Ratchett Tech! I swear it!

      I do agree with you that Tommy wasn’t communicating effectively or even fairly during that entire doco

      • Victoria Pandora

        Marty, Mike and John got together and made a video in which Marty and Mike explained what Tommy was doing to Sweeney. In the wog world, I think it’s called stalking, hounding and being an asshole that starts yelling and pointing his finger in your face every time you try to have a reasonable conversation. That was not a tone scale drill, although I bet the church promoted it as such. “Look! We’re so great, we even managed to bring this 1.1 up to anger on the tone scale, for free!”
        I can’t find the video though, it was sweet to see John observe the whole thing with a look of some relief. I can’t believe the BBC racked him over the coals about that. Sheeesh.
        At least when he went to N. Korea recently it was a piece of cake for him. It might be a warning sign though when a seasoned reporter like John says N. Korea and being shot at in war zones is easier than covering Scientology.
        I know Scientologists gloat about their “power”, they would take Johns comment as a compliment.
        I don’t know, it’s kinda like is Scientology isn’t a psy-op, it should be. That’s about the only place they would fit in.
        Sometimes simply manipulating the enemy with propaganda saves lives in war time. But SCN. really makes you feel like the enemy has landed and they are living next door.

        • Bella Legosi

          I think you are talking about the follow up to Scientology and Me. I believe the title to that diddy is The Secrets of Scientology……here is the link to part 1 of 4

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l42UrHDx4lE

          • Victoria Pandora

            ah, yes thank- you!

      • Simple Thetan

        I too give Sweeny a pass. I just think that a better way to handle a psycho who is trying to denigrate you, is to convey to him the message that consider him lower than a spoiled baby who is having a temper tantrum. Standing quietly and smiling sweetly at him, conveys that message. The message that I got from that video, Scientology claims expertise in communication. Here was its spokesperson proving the opposite.

        • Bella Legosi

          I think a lot of people saw the same thing. I think that interview really was the beginning of the end for poor Tommy D.

      • MissCandle

        And/or Borderline Personality Disorder Tech.

        • Bella Legosi

          Yep.
          $cientology…….mental illness you pay for!

    • BuryTheNuts2

      “While I believe the Tone Scale theory is a simplified but workable one”

      ^^^ then one day you and I need to sit down over a fifth of Patron and you can explain it to me till I get it.

      Nevermind….Make that several fifths of Patron..

    • the wrong cranberry

      The Tone Scale makes sense right up until you start thinking about it. Then you have ALL THE QUESTIONS. Then you have a headache.

      Also I’m amazed by people who can respond verbally – or, you know, at all – to people spouting completely stupid shit. I always just stand there in stupefied silence because all I can think is, “Do you *hear* yourself??” This is why John Sweeney is an investigative reporter and I am not.

      • Bella Legosi

        Exactly Cran! My experience with my boss included the look and me flatly saying, “Do you even hear yourself?” OMG that really really REALLY pissed her off and that is when the verbal attacks started, to which my reply would always be, “No no do not change the subject!” and then that would turn into “DON’T TELL ME WHAT TO DO! I EMPLOY YOU!” and that is when Bella would really lose her shit and start talking in legal terms as to how she was treating her *employee*, I mentioned ONCE the way in which she treated her clients and that is when she began making threats to lawyer up and that all her clients would be on her side not mine. By that time shit was so heated and sooooo far off subject we would end the whole thing on bad terms.

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          Oh thank you, Bella. Now I am sitting here thinking of heated shit.

          Just thanks.

          • Observer

            The lot of the literal mind is a dismal one.

          • Bella Legosi

            lol talk about engrams stimulated! I am with ya on that DDD! Thank god for violent video games! They always make me feel better when I get heated after some arguments or when stuff is brought up.

            • Observer

              I like to play them after a frustrating day at work. Very cathartic!

        • the wrong cranberry

          And this is why I only think it instead of saying it. I am way too passive-aggr – errr, that is, *non-confrontational* to deal with the shit a comment like that is so likely to start.

          • Bella Legosi

            I tried so very hard NOT to play into that crap, but one can only take so much before they can’t take it anymore and blow up.

            These fights occurred in the last months of my employment there and was directly related to me finding the Nordie housekeeping job, so that I could get the hell out of that type of environment.

    • Sherbet

      Don’t forget, Simple T, John Sweeney had just endured several incidents of creepiness orchestrated by scn and Tommy Davis, during which Sweeney kept his poise. Davis yelling as if it were he who was the aggrieved party was too much for Sweeney to take.

  • LongNeckGoose

    I’ve always wondered whether the famous Scientology actors use the Tone Scale for the roles they play. Like, “my character would be at 1.687 at this point so he’d talk a certain way or walk a certain way.” Anybody know if this is true?

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      It would certainly explain a lot…

    • Bella Legosi

      Yes, I think the Tone Scale is what was used in that Hollywood acting studio that Reitman touched on in her book. I am having a brainfart as to who the teacher’s name was, but he was a scientologist and taking his acting courses were a kin to taking basic scientology indoctrination courses.

      • Sherbet

        Is it Milton Katselas?

      • BuryTheNuts2

        Milton Katselas.

        • Bella Legosi

          Thank you BTN!

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      FWIW, Dear Leader proposed the Tone Scale as an aid for thespians. Here is an actual photo from the VMH, edition of 1984. The caption was written by LRH hisself.

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        And yes, that is “me” in the background, accompanied by FOUR of my thetans on the wall. Odd but true– the photographer simply set up the lights, snapped the photo, and there they were…

        • aquaclara

          So that’s you, eh? That caption is memorable. “Part of the fun of contributing to the young will be in using Tone Scale technology…” .
          Horrifying. Glad you turned out ok!
          Do you recall any of the others in the photo?

          • Douglas D. Douglas

            There’s a reason I wrote “me” with those quotation marks. Not really, me, but “me,” if you know what I mean…

            • VickiStubing

              Just like me 😀 ahem, I mean “me”
              “Be yourself, everyone else is taken.” …except on the internet

          • Observer

            He’s talking about whoever his avatar is, which isn’t him.

            • aquaclara

              Funny likeness!! I did wonder about that. Thanks.

  • Sherbet

    Has anyone seen Captain Howdy lately?

    • BuryTheNuts2

      He made single post flybys a couple of days ago and then did a total disappearing act.

      I was wondering what was up with him too.

      • Sherbet

        Long weekend, hopefully not The Lost Weekend.

    • Captain Howdy

      I’m ok. My arch nemesis. Real Life, reared it’s ugly head and demanded that I acknowledge it’s presence. Also, I’m slightly burned out on commenting for the moment, and I’m having fun watching tv shows I missed first time around, like Freaks and Geeks and the Wire.

      I’ll be back…in awhile..still lurking..yours truly..C.H

      Thanks for the concern.

      • BuryTheNuts2

        Carry on then!
        We are now happy.

      • Sherbet

        OK, I’ll file that information in your Truancy Report. We’ll leave the porch light on for you.

      • Observer

        Your A through E will be waiting when you get back.

      • richelieu jr

        Two great, great series.. F&G covers exactly the years i was in High School with spooky accuracy…

  • Bella Legosi

    *mentally calling*

    O Captain! my Captain! rise up and hear the bells; Rise up—for you the flag is flung—for you the bugle trills;
    For you bouquets and ribbon’d wreaths—for you the shores a-crowding;
    For you they call, the swaying mass, their eager faces turning

    • BuryTheNuts2

      And bring THDNE with you damn it!!!!!

  • ParticleMom

    Marc left without Claire? I didn’t realize that. That must have been heartbreaking for her. Clearly I need to read the book!

    • pronoia

      You. Must. Read. The book.

      Though I will add, it seems likely that if he had waited around for her, neither of them would’ve gotten out — at least not for a long time, as Marc was about to be delivered to the RPF.

      • ParticleMom

        I. Will. Read. The. Book. 🙂

        I’m glad they are both out, no matter how it happened!.

    • aquaclara

      Oh yes, read the book!!!

    • Sidney18511

      The paet where they plan and carry out her escape will keep you at the edge f your seat.
      Spoiler alert……everything works out just fine in the end!

      • ParticleMom

        Geez, now you ruined it for me!

  • jensting

    The tone scale seems to be something that obsesses scientologists. Take, for instance, David “he is NOT insane!” Miscavige in a legal deposition (no, really) with two Internet critics, Keith Henson and Grady Ward http://alley.ethercat.com/wackycultnews/buggermiscavige.txt

    “Wait a second, I’d like to note for the record that Mr. Ward here, said he
    was doing TR 1.1. And I would just like that noted here. That is probably not
    understandable to someone who is not a Scientologist, but it is definitely an
    attempt to demean the religion[sic] of Scientology and I’d like that noted for
    the record. This TR 1.1 refers to a writing by Graham Berry, where he states
    that he will start up a 1.1 Club, including, qualifications for this for non
    homosexuals, is that there will be a public buggering of the leaders of
    Scientology. Buggering of course I think you know that it refers to sodomy and
    that is I understand what the 1.1 Club is. I think that’s what Mr. Ward was
    stating that in reference to. I’d also like to state for the record. I believe
    I’ve taken about a minute to state that and I’m willing to give them an extra
    minute so that it doesn’t come off their time.”

    • the wrong cranberry

      That’s so beautiful I still can’t quite believe it’s real.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      I want to hear this delivered by Patton Oswalt.

    • Is he word clearing buggery?

      In a court?

  • Michael Leonard Tilse

    This reminded me of the video of Mark Bunker speaking with the director of the Portland Org.
    She wa tryinfing to bring him down the tone scale and implant the idea he was full of shit. On the surface it was banter, but the intent was evil. She also was using the Intelligence TRs. The oblique pumping for info is TR-I. (i). The deflection of questions is the TR for handling journalists. The rest of it is pretty much TR-L, lying and black dianetics attempting to implant destructive thoughts and “cave him in”.

    • BuryTheNuts2

      And Mark left that exchange laughing.
      Do you think “Gwen” got that the tech wasn’t working?

      • aquaclara

        I love that Mark wasn’t caving to this ….!

      • Poison Ivy

        There were moments where her expression literally screamed “Does…Not…Compute.” It was priceless. But yes, that video should be taken apart comment by comment for a lesson on how Scientologists use their TR’s, tone scale training, etc. etc. to confound and drive crazy anyone who tries to talk sanity to them. “It’s time for you to go now. You need to go now.” And she really thought that would work with Mark Bunker?
        There was evil in her eyes, especially when she mentioned where he lived. That was, in pure Hubbard style, intentionally put out there to scare him.
        Scare the Wise Beard Man? Oh Gwen. You may be OT, but you’re not the smartest bulb in the chandelier.

    • pronoia

      Yeah, and she had that crazy Tom Cruise laugh down pat. Which certainly does not come across like serenity of beingness!

  • Vistaril

    Remind me, where’s LOVE on the Tone Scale?

    • I’m guessing -40.0

    • Observer

      Pfffft! Love is for Homo sapiens, not homo novi. Love, family, money the regs can’t get, education, critical thinking, leisure time … all a waste for The Most Ethical People On the Planet.

    • BuryTheNuts2

      They didn’t even use the Scientological “affinity” word on it.

    • FLUNK_101

      Even if LOVE was on the tone scale, that would imply that love only exists when you’re “in the mood.”
      For me, this is what’s wrong with the tone scale: emotions are not necessarily experienced in a sequence, and emotions are not mutually exclusive.
      Emotions blend together, creating the variety and nuance of feeling that makes life (and art) so interesting.

      • BuryTheNuts2

        This ^^^^^ …..reminded me of this:

        “My soul is a hidden orchestra; I know not what instruments, what fiddlestrings and harps, drums and tamboura I sound and clash inside myself. All I hear is the symphony.”

        ― Fernando Pessoa, The Book of Disquiet

        • Poison Ivy

          Beautiful quote, BTN2!

      • Poison Ivy

        I recently read Andrew Morton’s Tom Cruise biography. It was surprisingly good and well-researched, I highly recommend. Anyway, so many of the people in the book who knew him indicated that they believed he was “acting” his way through life; that he was amazingly adept at imitating complex emotions but didn’t seem to have them himself, not in any permanent way, anyway.
        One thing that makes a great actor, to me anyway, is a sense of vulnerability that seeps through even their portraits of immensely confident characters. Tom Cruise has none of that.

    • sugarplumfairy

      probably the same place they hide their truth, charity, kindness and humility.. those are the things lrh couldn’t pull out of his a**..

  • FLUNK_101

    “Homosexuals are considered to be 1.1”

    “One-one” … covertly hostility.

    Message to L Ron and his 1950’s mentality:
    If homosexuals didn’t have to hide who and what they are, maybe they wouldn’t be so “covert.” What if you lived in a society that forced you to keep your feelings a secret? Do you think you might harbor some “covert hostility” toward that world?

    Even after I left Scientology, I became aware of the fact that “POUSTIA,” the Greek slang expression for “backstabbing,” roughly translates as “gay fuckery.” It made me think …

    • BuryTheNuts2

      Ouch!
      This sounds like a linguistic directed translation as opposed to a conceptual one.

      And yes,…..there is something wrong with that!

      • FLUNK_101

        Jon Atack, in an interview Tony posted a while back, said there was an affidavit from a Moroccan man alleging Hubbard raped a boy.
        I’m not saying Hubbard was “gay” … but he was definitely “covertly hostile,” that’s for sure!!!

        • BuryTheNuts2

          I remember that! I also remember the stories about hubbard dressing in women’s clothes when he was in Rhodesia, was it?
          But then…when I think about the fuckery he and “Parchment Parson’s” were up to….well….
          Let’s just say he seemed to be hitting the ball all over the court!

          • Observer

            Yep, Rhodesia. He was trying to get in touch with his inner Cecil Rhodes or something.

            • I wish they’d put this picture up at every org!

            • richelieu jr

              Funny, I wish I could burn my eyes out with bleach and buy a new brain…

        • Missionary Kid

          The great majority of pedophiles are not gay, and classify themselves as heterosexual.

          • FLUNK_101

            Thx.

    • media_lush

      …. so does that make Tom Cruise a Poustialogist?

      • FLUNK_101

        Malakia? Don’t me started!
        BTW … To the old fashioned Greek macho man, only the guy on the receiving end is gay. Talk about being “a man’s man!”

        • you know the saying …getting your dick sucked by a guy is not gay …sucking another MAN’s dick …now that is gay . Pitch …don;t catch ..yadda yadda . I still think that the movie Spartacus…with Tony Curtis in the “bath” … was kinda hot

          • FLUNK_101

            Always nice to hear from you, Kim! Now, if you’ll excuse me, I have to go do something … to clear my skin up.

          • richelieu jr

            “Would you say that the eating of oysters immoral, butt hat the eating of snails was..not?”

            I can’t imagine why the censors jumped on that one, eh? Especially with Pool boy Tony Curtis being asked to bathe with/towel off aging Larry Olivier;.

            Still for sheer, brash homo-erotifun, it’s got nothing on Ben Hur and Charlton Heston and his friend measuring their spears! (Yours is longer!’ “Yes my friend, but your is harder!’ or whatever… It in the Bible, right? Jut imagine young L Ron exchanging these bons mots with Jack Parsons…

            • Lilaeth

              I read somewhere that Stephen Boyd and the director talked about Boyd playing his character Massala as if he was gay, and still yearning after Judah. – Vidal told Boyd ‘just don’t tell Chuck, he’ll fall apart’. 😀

            • richelieu jr

              I’ve heard the same thing, only with Boyd saying it was his idea… Perhaps it was in the film ‘The Celluloid Closet’?
              I can’t remember…

            • Lilaeth

              Neither can I – I was just glad to finally find confirmation that I wasn’t imagining things through all those years of watching Ben Hur and thinking ‘Oooooh, am I the only one who sees this?’!

      • ze moo

        St Andrew the Fool??? ” Fools for Christ often employ shocking, unconventional behavior to
        challenge accepted norms, deliver prophecies or to mask their piety”. So they’re Anons???

  • Michael Leonard Tilse

    I just had a shocking idea for a bad dream… I’m in a game show and all the categories are for Scientology. “I’ll take ‘Tone Scale’ for $800 Alex.” And “what is 1.1?”.

  • Vistaril

    Ooooh . . . look what popped up on WWP. Its the lecture that Jon Atack is giving this week in Denmark at the Fédération Européenne des Centres de Recherche et d‘Information sur le Sectarisme, (the European Federation of Centers of Research and Information on Sectarianism) – FERCIS for short – . Here’s a direct DOX download for those interested in reading the whole presentation, parts of which were featured here at the bunker not so long ago.

    HT: booski

    • BuryTheNuts2

      Sweet Vistaril. Thank you so much!

      • Vistaril

        Yeah, for some reason disqus squished the link when I tried to embed it with the “a href=” thingy-wotsit. I’ve also updated my original comment so, snap. Thanks BTN2, you rock.

    • Vistaril

      And another scrumptious slice of DOX caek from WWP. This is a Harvard Law Review take on the Headley’s case . . . looks like they suffered an injustice. Calling t1kk . . . t1kk to the white courtesy phone, please: http://www.harvardlawreview.org/media/pdf/vol126_headley_v_church_of_scientology.pdf

      HT: Caroline Letkeman.

      (Okay, I’ll stop with the derailing, now.)

  • Superhero huh? Now what sort of superhero would Scientology create…

    Forged under a mountain of crushing debt, the Platinum Moronicon receives his powers (like being able charge thousands of dollars in seconds flat and occasionally find a parking space in under 20 minutes) from a wall of OT certs.

    His rallying cries – “Straight up…and vertical!” and “To bankruptcy…and beyond!”

    Platinum Moronicon’s many foes include the hu-mans of the wog world, the evil and sexy temptress Psychia-Tryst, and his arch nemesis, Anonymous, who uses a combination of powerful SP logic and J&D wit to sap the Platinum Moronicon’s OT abilities, deplete his precious “confront”, and cause him to flee in terror and retreat to his Ideal Org fortress where he can recharge his powers (for a fee of course) by screaming at ashtrays and repeatedly chanting “hip hip hooray!”

    Or maybe Miscavige and Cruise as the Wonder Twins? “Form of… a pair of copper rods!”

    • Richard Grant

      … and his very special sidekick, Org Boy. Whose powers are still not fully developed and require repeated drilling.

      • Michael Leonard Tilse

        Now THAT was 1.1! Lol.

        • Missionary Kid

          Me, too!

    • Missionary Kid

      That made my afternoon.

      • Thanks, I had one of my somewhat rare fits of creativity earlier. When I saw superhero it really set me off. It always makes me laugh how they cower in fear when the Anons come calling. State of OT must be pretty damn frail.

  • ThetaBara

    I always love it when they deploy the Curtain Tech when we raid the org. “Hiding” is -8 on their Tone Scale! We must really be bringing their tone down.

    How’s that postulating going, guise?

  • Dr. Lee’s jingle was so catchy! I hope he didn’t pay much for that commercial; the production values are high school level. I know, I had students create commercials in Economics… this advert was very poorly done, and melodramatic. In true Scientology fashion, you realize he never really told you anything at all.

    • All the poor people getting manhandled in that video look uncomfortable and a bit scared.

      • ze moo

        Chelsey Handler showed parts of that vid last week on her E! network show. She ended the bit with ‘and here’s the only oriental who ever satisfied a white woman’.

        • BuryTheNuts2

          She is such a pig! No wonder I love her.

    • BTW, I adore my chiropractor. I don’t believe in the miraculous claims some espouse…but I feel GREAT after leaving her office. She wipes out my back pain; the doctors just throw drugs at it. In any event, the visit has no co-pay.

      • Missionary Kid

        It would be interesting to compare them with a physical therapist or a masseuse.

        • In my opinion, very similar. My chiropractor doesn’t make any special claims. When my back “seizes-up” she is my only hope. I need my regular doctors for miscellaneous stuff… like cancer, etc. But there is a place for chiropractors in my life who aren’t “culty” about it.

          • Missionary Kid

            I’m friends with a chiropractor, but our relationship has nothing to do with his practice. He also doesn’t make claims about what he does that are bullshit about curing diseases far out of the chiropractor’s field.

  • California

    Somewhat off-topic but…..”Narconon Releases Early Study of Delaware Prison Program Demonstrating Crime Reduction Consistent with More Recent Narconon Results”:

    http://www.digitaljournal.com/pr/1271627

    From March 1975

    Patty, Luke, Eric…. anybody want to comment on this?

  • Sidney18511

    Please check out this new blog that has been garnering some attention on esmb. It is suppose to be a mole working at CC and spilling some beans.
    http://scientologycelebrity.wordpress.com/

    • media_lush

      nice find…. loads of juicy stuff I’d never seen before, lulz

      • TonyOrtega

        Yes, it was very touching the way he said he was only trying to help when he slimed me and Tikk — rather than, say, contacting us privately. Helluva guy. And also hasn’t printed a single corroborated fact. But I guess it’s entertaining.

        • media_lush

          I only skimmed the headlines…. I do most of ‘big’ reads on my iPad in bed… will post thoughts later

          • noseinabk

            In the comments : http://scientologycelebrity.wordpress.com/2013/05/28/bella-cruise-leaving-scientology-yeah-right/#comments

            “Yeah we came across that thread on ESMB recently and coincidentally we read it a little whole before you made your post. The thread seems to be more or less fair in their debate about us, though we find a couple of the comments mind boggling — why anyone would think we’re trying to attack Tony O is beyond us when we’re just reporting what the OSA officers said. These things shouldn’t be kept secret — if someone is going to be targeted by Scientology in a dirty tricks operation, the intended victim(s) have a right to know. Scientology isn’t going to be giving them advance warning!”

    • 1subgenius

      Have no idea how truthy it is, but its a great read.

    • Missionary Kid

      I’ve read it before, and I don’t think it’s anyone working at the CC. If they were, Co$ would be all over their ass. I don’t trust whoever it is. I’m of a mind that the whole blog is a Co$ diversion.

    • Bob

      Yes, other commenters have mentioned this. Not sure whether this is real or an OSA honey pot.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      It’s just too obvious. I would not WOULD NOT register for their discussion board, or comment in any way. In fact, I have chosen to steer clear. It reads like a bad parody of a hate site.

      • Bob

        I agree I would not register on this site. But his reporting on these people is pretty accurate.

        • Missionary Kid

          Accurate about everything? There’s an agenda here, and at the best, it’s to smear everyone IMO. I’d take everything with a huge dose (not grain) of salt.

    • Bob

      Sidney,
      I visited the sight again to read some of the newer blogs. This guy or gal whatever, does know these people and even though he is foul mouthed and is a little like a tabloid writer what he says fits what I have been observing for years. I don’t know all the people but I have been around the scene. And I am still around it. David Petit is the biggest f–king pimp in Hollywood. He is truly a manipulative scumbag. And the writer sure seems to know him well. And know the CCI regulars.

      So this site bears watching and the writer does have some incite. After visiting the site again I tend to think it may be real. I don’t think OSA would approach a scam in such a way. And It is a very colorful read and his fax seemed to be straight.

      • Missionary Kid

        Read what he says about Tony. I think that’s telling. Then read Tony’s comment in reply to Media Lush. I wouldn’t trust this blog at all.

        True propaganda mixes truth and lies. I think that’s what this site is: propaganda.

        • richelieu jr

          Where is this reply of Tony’s?

          • Missionary Kid

            Since finding it on Disqus is a PITA, here it is:

            TonyOrtega

            media_lush

            4 hours ago

            Yes, it was very touching the way
            he said he was only trying to help when he slimed me and Tikk — rather
            than, say, contacting us privately. Helluva guy. And also hasn’t
            printed a single corroborated fact. But I guess it’s entertaining

            • richelieu jr

              Thanks for that MK– Frankly, I am divided on this- I can see both sides: For one, I never for a second thought they believed this, I took it as a report on how sleazy their inner workings were and how they were out to get out man, Tony..

    • dbloch7986

      This has to be a legit critic. How he gets all this information begs questioning, but there’s no way OSA would operate a site like this. A lot of the facts here have been corroborated at other websites.

      Apparently this is a Sea Org member writing this. I wonder if this is prediction #2 that is coming true for me. That there has been someone in the Sea Org/on staff pretending to play along as he is recording everything that is going on. Only to one day walk out and just drop tons of evidence.

      http://scientologycelebrity.wordpress.com/2013/05/10/tony-ortega-public-enemy-1-in-scientology/

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        “Only to one day walk out and just drop tons of evidence.”

        Oh, you tease! Salivating like Pavlov’s dogs at the mere thought of such enturbulation.

      • BuryTheNuts2

        I have a gut feeling to keep watching this one too!

        EDIT: Maybe his/her brass balls are what is keeping them safe.
        I just don’t see anything positive in this for the COS at all.

        • richelieu jr

          When they jangled together
          they played ‘stormy weather’
          and lightning shot out– of Davey’s ears…

    • richelieu jr

      I’ve been watching this, and I don’t get this criticism… Does somebody actually know something, or is it just free-floating paranoia? Because he certainly doesn’t hesitate to name names, big and small, and dish the dish…

      Maybe he is a plant, but what good is a plant that says all the critics say– and worse?

  • I really enjoy these “Up the Bridge with Claire Headley” things.

    Each article reminds me of why I am so glad I no longer have that shit rattling around in my head.

    Alanzo

  • Michael Leonard Tilse

    I heard this (paraphrased): I had to ‘create’ the body thetans before there were any to audit!
    Edited for brevity.

    • Missionary Kid

      Yup. That and the wins are all imaginary.

      • BuryTheNuts2

        I am going to disagree with a point here. If “all” of the wins were imaginary, we probably wouldn’t be here.

        A lot of exes will tell you they had wins early in the con.
        In their subjective reality…those wins were very real.

        I have done some of the “Self Analysis” myself and yes, I have had what I consider wins.
        Some very lovely ones in fact.
        I think it is a real mistake to try to invalidate someone else’s perception’s of that aspect of the con.

        LRH stole pretty much everything. He was bound to have hit on a few good things in all that stolen intellectual property.
        In the end, the whole thing is crap….but you don’t catch a fish without baiting the hook.

        • Missionary Kid

          Good catch. You’re right. I went overboard.
          It’s always the easy stuff that gets taken care of first. By the time the clams are ready to do the heavy emotional lifting, they’re reprogrammed.

          • BuryTheNuts2

            Yes sir!

            • Missionary Kid

              One of the things that I appreciate about this site is that flame wars are pretty much not here.

              If I’ve been wrong, it’s pointed out to me, instead of a personal attack.

              On other lists, I’ve gotten flamed, and the best way I’ve handled it is to use a person’s own words, facts, and logic. There are always in life and on the net, people who are nuts or have their own agenda or who don’t really read carefully what someone else wrote.

              I’m usually pretty careful about what I write, but when I’m not, people on this list point out the flaws in my writing without ad hominem attacks, even when I could qualify for them.

              You’re one of the smartass posters here that I love. Mr. Nuts is a lucky guy.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Thank you. That was very nice.
              Of course, you haven’t had to put up with my drunk posting yet.
              I can be a real jackass!
              (So remember this when in the future you want to bonk me on the head!)

        • ThetaBara

          Even Pedobear gives out free candy!

    • ze moo

      Without trillions of body thetans, why should anyone pay for the OT ‘training’? The long con requires the moving target for cash flow.

  • Xique

    I had the audacity to write my mother a letter when I first got involved with the “church”, to inform her that I knew exactly where my father was on the tone scale. He was a very low toned man, in fact I was sure he was .05 , at apathy. I may not have given the decimal number, but I needed her to know basically what a loser my own dad was, her husband. It hurts me now to think how awful I was in writing such a mean and rediculous letter. My dad was a hero , a US Marine, fought in WWII. He had PTSD that lasted for the remainder of his life. And most important , he loved me, they both did. APATHY? What a moron !
    Both parents are gone now and never did I say what a fool I was, nor that I was sorry.

    • Missionary Kid

      Thanks for sharing, and I don’t mean that in the usual, trite sense. Please focus on what you can do now to keep others from making the same mistake.

      Telling your story is a wonderful way to go.

      • Xique

        It’s strange but I’d forgotten about the letter I’d written until today’s lesson from Claire arrived and jogged my memory. That all took place 30 yrs ago, I was young and naive, to put it mildly. I am a parent now and my love for the kids runs deep, the same kind of love that was shown to me. I suppose my mother and father did forgive me in the end.
        Thanks

        • Missionary Kid

          You’ll know that as a parent, your kids are going to cause you pain along with a lot of the joy they’ll bring. Ultimately, the latter wins out.

          I think the way that you treat your kids is a tribute to the way your parents raised you.

        • richelieu jr

          They loved you, like you say, so I am sure they did.

        • aquaclara

          I think they forgave you all along. Don’t worry. They really do know you are doing well, and learned all the important things they wanted you to know. Just as you KNOW when your own kids are telling you something true vs that which is a wee bit concocted, well, so did your very wise parents!
          Pass on their love. Tell your kids about your dad ‘s service, and your mom’s, too.
          They know you turned out well. And that’s what they wanted.

          • Xique

            Thank you

        • Poison Ivy

          What a brave thing to admit, and by admitting it, you’re healing. If your parents knew anything at all about the cult, they would’ve figured out pretty quickly that it wasn’t “you” who was saying those things. Between parents and children, all manner of forgiveness is possible. It sounds like your parents were that kind of people.

          • Xique

            My mother tried like hell to extract me from the “church” but to no avail. In hindsight it was one of toughest things she ever had to do on my behalf. She devoted a lot time and effort to try and save me. She was one of the coolest mothers ever.

    • sugarplumfairy

      forgive yourself.. Your parents loved you.. and on an ‘evils performed by scientologists scale’ of -40.0 to 40.0, that doesn’t even register.. MK has a point.. Telling your story might help someone else make it right before its too late..

      • Xique

        I am telling my story in dribs and drabs, it helps.
        Thank you

    • dbloch7986

      I’m so sorry.

      • Xique

        Thank you

    • Sidney18511

      Forgive yourself. I’m sure your parents never stopped loving you. I said and did some really nasty things to my folks and I wasn’t a Scientologest. Just a wise ass know-it-all teenager.

      • Xique

        Thanks.
        Teenagers do really test the parents, this much is true , I’ve had a few, I know!

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      In the vast scale of things, this should not haunt you. As a parent, I can assure you that they knew what a fool you were, they loved you, and were really not expecting an apology.

      Don’t beat yourself up. Be happy.

      • Xique

        You’re right, thanks.

    • BuryTheNuts2

      You just did.

      • Xique

        Guess so, thanks BTN

    • Lady Squash

      I feel your pain. I wrote a few stupid letters also while a Scientologists. I disconnected from my lawyer. I must have sounded like an idiot. Not trying to compare my situation to yours, there is no comparison. And I am sorry you are left with that memory.

  • Jack

    Can someone explain to me how homosexuals can be placed at the same point on the tone scale or why they are even on the tone scale at all? Homosexuality is an attraction, not an emotion. A homosexual will be attracted to the same sex regardless of what emotion he is experiencing, whether he is angry, anxious, contented, strongly interested, cheerful, etc.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      The “Tone Scale” is consistent in its randomness. Just accept this and you will soon be moving up the Bridge. Cause, you know, bridges take you up.

    • dbloch7986

      The tone scale is an arbitrary assignment of numbers to emotions. Scientology is heavy with labels, and Hubbard used every opportunity to create labels for “inferior” people. The Tone Scale was one of many ways to do this. It gave him the ability to control people’s emotions by telling them they were acting like an inferior person if they were angry or sad or having sex or masturbating.

      It’s primarily used to make Scientologists scared of the outside world and to keep them faking like they are happy while hiding their real emotions.

      That being sad, the idea behind homosexuality being low on the tone scale is because that is what Hubbard said about anyone with what he deemed to be “sexual perversions”. In Scientology any form of sex, other than missionary sex intended for procreating can be classified as perverted. Anal sex, heavy petting, sex out of wedlock, protected sex, one night stands, oral sex, etc. are all perverted forms of sex. Foot fetishes, large boob fetishes, large penis fetishes, large ass fetishes, etx. are all seen as sexual perversions.

      Homosexuality, because it is a form of sex that is only intended to induce pleasure and is without thought of procreation, is also considered a perversion. This shouldn’t be surprising considering that most religions feel the same way.

      However, I must say that Scientology takes it a step further by classifying homosexuals as not only “sinners” but using the fact that they are homosexual to automatically assume that they are criminals and child molesters who are out to destroy, maim and assault everyone around them. I still deal with that programming every day.

      I used to think that I was evil and that I needed to be fixed because I was gay. Can you imagine.

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        S-E-X in general is the bane of just about every religion.

        • BuryTheNuts2

          Chalk one up for the atheists.

          • L. Wrong Hubturd

            Reporting for duty Ma’am!

          • Douglas D. Douglas

            The bane of RELIGION, not religious people. Why do you think Catholics and Mormons have such big families? They ain’t ALL immaculate conceptions.

      • Anonymookme

        If sex is for procreation only, what’s with the forced abortions?

        • Missionary Kid

          Zing (towards Co$). Right on. There are so many contradictions in clamworld, that is only one of them.

        • dbloch7986

          Well, sex is okay, if you’re not doing it for procreation, as long as your stats are up. If your stats are down, then it’s obviously the fact that you are having sex that is causing it.

          • L. Wrong Hubturd

            To be fair, sex is never good is your “stats” are down.

          • aquaclara

            The imbecilic logic of the cult. This is sick, and, well, funny, too.
            Thanks, Derek!

      • Missionary Kid

        VERY WELL PUT, Derek.

        The thing I find ignorant is the Boy Scouts still banning gay scoutmasters. Child molesters are overwhelmingly heterosexual.

        My best grammar school teacher, looking back 60 years ago was probably gay. He was FANTASTIC. Talking with friends who also were in his class, we pretty much agree.

      • Jack

        Thanks for the reply, but it really doesn’t clear up my confusion. I get why Scientology and Hubbard might be anti-gay and promote all sorts of lies and stereotypes about gays. What I don’t get is why any of this gets placed on the tone scale. Homosexuality isn’t an emotion and homosexuals experience a full range of emotions, and are still homosexuals while doing so.

        If Hubbard wanted to get across that homosexuals lack ethics or are untrustworthy, then he could have just said that. But by putting homosexuals at 1.1 on the TS, he is suggesting (I think) that homosexuality is an emotion and that as you move up the TS, your sexual orientation changes to hetero. That’s crazy. Hasn’t he ever seen a really angry gay person? For example, take a gay activist after Prop 8 passed. He is experiencing full blown anger -1.5 on the TS – but the guy is still gay. Or consider some of the recent blissful pictures and videos of gay weddings. These gays are experiencing cheerfulness or exhilaration, but they are still gay.

        • dbloch7986

          Oh boy you are traveling deeper down the rabbit hole than you need to, but I will humor you.

          There are specific physical and personality traits assigned to someone who sits at a “chronic” tone level.

          You see everyone has two tone levels: The resting tone level, which is where they are on a regular basis. They also have a social tone level, which is the one that changes.

          So even though someone may have a moment of a different tone level than their resting tone level, their resting tone level is what determines their normal behaviors as well as their chronic illnesses.

          It’s really, really unnecessarily complicated. You are trying to make sense of something that doesn’t make any sense. My recommendation to you, unless you want to go study Scientology, is that you just let it go. Otherwise you’re going to get sucked right into the weird world of Scientology and let me tell you it is insidious. It will sneak into your thoughts and mess with you without you even realizing it. Just like the question you are asking here.

          Be wary. I had a friend who, because of my story, started reading about psychiatric medication. The other day he messages me telling me he doesn’t want me to turn into a mass murderer because I am on zoloft. He didn’t even realize that Scientology has planted that idea in his mind until I pointed it out to him.

          I have very effective defense mechanisms against Scientology programming, but I don’t think you do. I think this is the reason that Tony doesn’t dive deeper into the subject.

          It really is dangerous because you start asking yourself questions like that and before you know it someone came behind you and ripped off all the ribbons you left on the trees.

          • Jack

            Thank you for your insight. Maybe I will just let it go and accept that it makes no sense.

            I appreciate your warning, but even if I had never read Tony Ortega’s work, I doubt that I could have gotten sucked into Scientology. I am a cheapskate. That is usually seen as a character flaw, but in this case, it would have protected me. The first time someone tried to sell me an overpriced course or “reg” me, that would have been the end of it. I’d be like “I’ll learn to live with these body thetans. You are not getting my money.”

            BTW, I read about your story here and I saw one of your videos. I think you are a brave man with a lot of character. You should feel proud of yourself for making it out. I wish you the best as you continue to recover and thrive and I hope that you keep us all updated on things.

            • grundoon

              No money? No problem. Join staff and get trained for free.

        • grundoon

          You’re trying to find the logic in something that has no logic. If you can find it, you have what it takes to become a kool-aid-drinking Scientologist.

    • EnthralledObserver

      Then there is ‘pain’… pain is a physical sensation, not an emotional one. ‘Emotional pain’ is better described using other words and I don’t get the feeling this is what LRoony is talking about here…

  • Racnad

    Assigning emotions numbers like 40.0, 3.5 or 1.1 is part of the pseudoscience of Scientology, because these sound like precise scientific measurements of something, when they are in fact numbers LRH pulled from his ass.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      So that’s why the whole thing stinks…!

  • TonyOrtega

    New post up — news from the Garcia fraud lawsuit!

  • Jimmy B

    I love how the descriptions of “spiritual fulfillment” in the liveleak video are accompanied by the cheesiest rock music, it would make me nuts to listen to that music for another minute

  • Do not read this blog !! Top ten reasons NOT to read this blog

    1. your head might pop out of your ass
    2.you might have more than 2 nickels to rub together
    3.you might come to realie that you can’t jump off tall building in a single bound

    4. you might realize that Tom Cruise is not a good actor and no amount of running will change it
    5.you might come to understand that no one knows what happens after you die , no matter what they say
    6. you might laugh your ass off ..therefore having no ass left for scientologists to kiss ( this is called irony)
    7.you might meet people that will make you laugh and enjoy your day
    8.you might have sex ..and like it ..sometimes even with yourself 😉
    9. you may develop a taste for reality …as opposed to rice and beans
    10. you might actually be surrounded by friends, family , humor , joy , and really good movie line references ( not to mention the punk music gods who post here..and you know who you are )

    • BuryTheNuts2

      11. you get to read Kim’s posts…and just wait till she gets pissed off!!!!

      • with Tony’s great reporting …i get pissed a lot. I am relieved when i see a post that does not involve another mourning parent of a dead child . That way …my wonderful sense of humor and my true inner beauty can shine through . ( that is my story and i am sticking to it 😉 This tone scale shit is just so …well …stupid . With all of the stuff that is going on in my own life ..and all of our lives i am sure …humor is just awesome . Well …that and sex …but i will have to settle for humor for now 😉

        • BuryTheNuts2

          Well, the tone scale is definitely freakin funny!

        • Missionary Kid

          Sex with humor is REALLY fun, and vice-versa.

          • BuryTheNuts2

            Who is this humor? Do you got a phone number?

            • Missionary Kid

              I’ll never tell. 😉

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      You’re such a catch! You won’t be single long.

    • aquaclara

      Whooop whoop, Kim! Love this.

  • Jimmy B

    If Tony’s new post (minutes ago) doesn’t load, you can click on the link from his Twitter feed on the left of this page, “Garcias Answer.”

    • BuryTheNuts2

      That is exactly what I had to do to pull it up!

    • ThetaBara

      Cool! Thanks!

  • KNMF

    What exactly is wrong with a tool that allows one to accurately profile and judge a person?

    If you are assigning a subordinate to a lower condition, don’t you want science in your corner? Thankfully Ron did the research for this, so we know it is correct. I question the spirituality of an individual who doesn’t see how a number and a pithy word would be essential in summing up the nature of a given person.

    • BuryTheNuts2

      ” don’t you want science in your corner”
      Oh you are good!

      • KNMF

        “Jane Doe lost her mother to ovarian cancer last year, and sometimes she is still sad. They were very close and were each others most trusted confidante. Jane’s husband doesn’t seem interested in making the marriage work. Her son was born with Spina Bifida and the struggle is never ending. Jane is having all kinds of problems with the medical insurance. Her daughter is having social problems at school and has developed an eating disorder. All the plumbing in their house needs to be switched right away from galvanized to copper and it is going to cost a fortune. Her elderly dad shouldn’t be driving, but insists on it. Jane wakes up gloomy and goes through the whole day like that.”

        ” Oh, you mean Jane is a .1 ?”

        “exactly. Jane is a .1”

        Science! (in a thomas dolby voice)

        • BuryTheNuts2

          😉

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      I sense a rash of unknowingness and downvotingness very soon. Engage sarcasm filter….NOW!

      We’ve gone plaid…

      • BuryTheNuts2

        I sense someone is going for the sarcasm academy award!

      • aquaclara

        “Downvotingness” has been an unusual affliction, primarily midweek, and indeed, much like a rash. Maybe some madras madnessness.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      It would be a valuable tool if it in any way related to the real world. The Hubbard Tone Scale is just a series of words, randomly assigned to numbers. If “Ron” had actually done any research, he would have left it for others to study and verify that what he was doing was “correct.” But, alas, he did not.

      Even if there was any proof that would support the Tone Scale, I would still seriously question the spirituality of a whole “religion” that sums up people merely on the basis of a number and a pithy word. It’s demeaning.

    • tetloj

      My rage dissipated when I read the last sentence: then I detected a whiff of sarcasm.

  • ThetaBara

    Hey Tony… I can’t see a link to your latest on the homepage (and can’t follow the emailed link on this platform). Halp?
    Thanks!

    • BuryTheNuts2

      Go to the twitter link on the left. Scroll up.
      That is how I had to get it as well.
      Something is cockeyed!

      • ThetaBara

        Got it, thanks!

  • Jgg2012

    Where was Tommy Davis on the tone scale? He was angry also. And where are the scientologists who shout “what are your crimes?” on the tone scale?

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Tone 40 and in command. At least, in their own tiny little minds.

  • Michael Leonard Tilse
  • Bruce

    That video was great. I’m going to take my Mercedes on the road to life up to cloud 250 billion! Bwahahahaha.

  • media_lush

    if you want a bit of light relief you might want to head on over to Radaronline to see the comments about Will Smith trying to defend his family’s comparison to the Kardashians…. some of the scientology comments are hilarious [they’re quite aways down]…. I added my bit to stir the pot

    http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2013/05/will-smith-bashes-kardashian-family-comparison/

  • FistOfXenu

    ANNOUNCEMENT: Tony posted an important update on the Garcias case and for some reason a lot of us aren’t finding a link from the home page. So here it is:

    http://tonyortega.org/2013/05/28/garcias-answer-scientologys-attempt-to-disqualify-their-attorneys-in-fraud-lawsuit/

  • Illinoisian

    ANNOUNCEMENT: Piece on Rathbun memoir (also not appearing at Bunker homepage) is posted here.

    http://tonyortega.org/2013/05/29/marty-rathbun-builds-his-warrior-legend-in-new-memoir/

  • Missionary Kid
  • Roger Larsson

    How money
    and shit saves in $cientology. Pre-clears fucking the going to locks, secondary’s
    and engrams and to the bank to borrow more money to straight out their case
    with goes Clear, perfectly CLEAR.

  • Poison Ivy

    “Covert Hostility is portrayed as the person who smiles at you while secretly planning to stab you in the back. The snake in the grass.” In the entertainment industry, you deal with these people on a daily basis. Sometimes they are excellent at deception and fool even the smartest people. They are particularly good at fooling nice people with open hearts. When you get two snakes in grass trying to make a deal – each one trying to outsmart the other – you get the kind of über false situation that is so often parodied but is really anything but satire.

    What the Tone Scale doesn’t tell you is that by “handling” these people in order to control them, you are essentially doing exactly the same thing as the 1.1. Once you’ve been fooled by a manipulator enough times (speaking from experience), you become hyper aware of what it feels like to be “managed”. To be “managed” by someone who is pretending to be dealing with you honestly – in other words, to have someone use covert tools or methods including “need to know” info and flattery so they can get you to do what they want – results in anger and resentment, because it is so supremely disrespectful and disingenuous. Love bombing qualifies as much as abuse in this regard. It is all just a terribly insulting way to deal with other human beings.

  • mook
  • Bella Legosi

    Off topic, but I checked my twit account out of bordom today (I rarely use it) and have come to the ultimate conclusion that Misha Collins, aka Castiel, really is the perfect man. With twits like this, “Hey Ausies, i’m headed your way, so put a koala on the barbie for me!” or “Sorry, “Aussies” not “Ausies.” Geez, for a nation of criminals you guys sure are sticklers on spelling.” How could I not think this?????? Aye, Misha, prolly the only reason I still have a twitter account!

    On a side note and more on topic………OTVIIIisgrrr8t! I am officially in awe of your skills and have bookmarked your page. You, sir, are a fucking rock star from Mars, with the blood of Adonis, on a quest to right every single wrong. I bow in reverence!

    • Bella Legosi

      **After some thought about my comment about Misha, it’s going to be hell for Bella’s next Mr. Legosi! How can a man live up to Nerd Angel or poet, rockstar, pyro technician, blacksmith Till Lindmann???? omg my mind just got blown thinking “what if Misha and Till became ONE?!?!?!?!?:” I am seriously contemplating twitting Misha with the idea of coming out with a line of Official Misha Collins shower heads! He would make a fucking killing! I am seriously wondering why someone hasn’t thought of this already! I could totally see Team Jacob or Team Edward shower heads being pimped out to the masses of teenage girls and boys. Of course the Team Edward shower heads must SPARKLE!

      Let it never be said that Bella never had high hopes or standards!

      Sorry for the sidetrack, but damn it Tony this is what happens when you are not slaving over this blog! Bella’s ADD has NO DIRECTION!

      ***

  • Guest

    I think the biggest fatal flaw with the tone scale is that it is Scientology.

  • California

    Off topic but David E. Love on the evidence that Narconon was created from core SCN writing. (I cannot bring myself to type “scriptures.”)

    http://www.examiner.com/article/narconon-created-from-core-sacred-scientology-scriptures

  • disqus_a1DA2INHSi

    Darwin has a basic book exploring human emotions. There are 9 basic emotions, no chronic emotions and all those alleged emotions on the tone scale are not emotions at all, they are feelings which last for milliseconds or years, like in the grieving process after the loss of loved one. Defining emotions as chronic is a fallacy, because chronic has no set time limit and feelings are kaleidoscopic in nature, meaning there can be a mix of several feelings at the same time in a central assemblage, There is no vertical emotional scale to go up or down. Claiming there are pro survival emotions and contra survival emotions is more fallacy, claiming there are good emotions and bad emotions is more fallacy, because emotions are usually contextual to the present time environment and emotions of past trauma are mixed and colored by intensity , not recalled exactly, but reconstructed by several brain regions .Emotions have levels of intensity, for example, anger can turn to rage, last a moment or hours.Several good books explain the science of emotions, like Silvan S Tomkins, Affect,Imagery and Consciousness. Another goos study is Emotional Intelligence. The e-meter does not measure human emotion, that’s more fallacy.

  • buscador

    The scale is there but how you use it is something else. If you google emotional scale you will find many other authors of scales quite similar. And have you done some “book one” you have seen it yourself. With use of EFT you can discover it on yourself.
    e.g. http://ladarayinfo.weebly.com/quantum-calibrations.html

  • The human condition

    interesting article and chart (tone scale), thank you for sharing. So if I’m reading this correctly, wouldn’t be calling some one a 1.1 bring them up to a 1.9 real quick? XD