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How to Confront and Shatter Suppression, Scientology Style!

PTSSPClaire Headley is taking us on our journey to train as Scientologists. She and her husband Marc were Sea Org workers who escaped from Scientology’s International Base in 2005. She spent years working with Scientology’s “tech,” and was trusted to oversee the auditing of Tom Cruise. Go here to see the first part in this series.

Claire, last time you got us through Method One Word Clearing. And now we’re moving on to something really fascinating — the PTS/SP course?

CLAIRE: That’s right. I did PTS/SP course in 1989 at the Beverly Hills mission.

This is where you get down deep and personal with PTS/SP Tech — How to “Confront and Shatter Suppression” as it is heralded in the world of Scientology.

It includes an in-depth study of the Tone Scale, round four on Training Routines, and study of the book Science of Survival.

Then there’s Tone Scale drills, obnosis drills, and numerous other drills on how to deal with the “dangerous environment” — in other words, the world we live in.

The cost of this one runs about $1,500.

And as a side note, this course has been revised and changed more than any other course I know of in Scientology. It was redone completely at least 4 times in the time I worked at the Hemet base.

THE BUNKER: Once again, there’s a lot going on in this course. But let’s focus on confronting and shattering suppression. Please define PTS and SP, how you are trained to recognize people who are PTS or SP, and what you’re supposed to do about it.

CLAIRE: PTS is short for “Potential Trouble Source.” Scientology has so many acronyms, and in my experience growing up in Scientology, they help isolate you from the real world.

A Potential Trouble Source is quite literally a person who is a potential source of trouble. Because they will “roller coaster,” on some days they’ll be fine and the next they will crash, get sick, or be a source of problems. So it’s a negative term. A person who is PTS is that way because he or she is connected to a Suppressive Person, an SP. The PTS person needs to find the SP in their lives, and then “handle or disconnect.”

Up_The_BridgeTHE BUNKER: So, for example, if a Scientologist comes down with a cold, he’s conditioned to believe that he has become a Potential Trouble Source, and his cold is happening because he has a Suppressive Person influencing his life. So he has to determine who that person is, and then “handle” that person — get the SP to stop being suppressive — or just cut off all ties from the SP, “disconnect.”

CLAIRE: PTS/SP tech is also where you learn of “good roads and fair weather” and “don’t create antagonism,” both of which are key strategies a Scientologist uses to deal with the outside world.

THE BUNKER: Can you explain that?

CLAIRE: Good Roads and Fair Weather is a “handling” a Scientologist uses to deal with an antagonistic person. The idea is, quite literally, that you discuss only the roads and the weather.

For example, if you were someone in my life who was antagonistic, I would get drilled on my conversations with you. And my entire goal would be to talk about very social topics and not touchy subjects or antagonism — like how the roads are and how the weather is fair.

Another part of this handling would be to find the “Why” for the antagonism. In Scientology, if you’re PTS, you are not allowed to do any auditing or training, other than as part of handling your PTSness. The theory being that a PTS person will roller coaster and lose their gains.

And it’s a crime to be PTS and not report it.

There are also three types of PTSness.

Type I is when you are actively connected to someone who is antagonistic to Scientology, and who is invalidating you or your gains.

Type II is someone who is roller coastering, but who isn’t sure who they are PTS to, won’t disconnect, or who continues to roller coaster. To handle this, you would receive the PTS Rundown and the Suppressed Person Rundown.

Type III are those who are “mostly in institutions.” This is the person who thinks he’s surrounded by SPs, including ghosts and demons. The handling for this is remove them from the environment, give them rest and quiet, and often the Introspection Rundown, followed by PTS/SP auditing listed above.

This is the handling that was done on Lisa McPherson, for example.

THE BUNKER: And that’s why Scientologists describe someone who’s really having a breakdown as going “Type III.” Claire, you described earlier what a Potential Trouble Source is, but you kind of skipped over Suppressive Person. Can you tell us more about what characterizes an SP?

CLAIRE: An SP is an antisocial personality, and has many attributes. I’ll try to summarize some of them…

An SP speaks in broad generalities. “They say…” for example. An SP spreads bad news and gossip, and any message he is asked to relay he’ll twist it negatively. An SP makes trouble for the people around him, and can cripple his friends or even drive them into mental institutions. An SP always blames the wrong people for what goes wrong. He can’t complete a project. An SP never accepts responsibility for things that go wrong, and will not lift a finger to help others.

THE BUNKER: So here’s the big question, just how do you “confront and shatter” suppression?

CLAIRE: Honestly I’ve found myself to be much more skilled at confronting and shattering suppression since leaving Scientology. But I think that’s only because I recovered my free will and my willingness to understand other views.

In Scientology, “confronting and shattering” suppression is mainly accomplished through Training Routines (which teach you “to be able to deal with any communication situation, no matter how tough”).

I think there is truth in the fact that improving one’s communication skills leads you to better success with human interaction. I just think that there are other more effective means of improving your skills. But that’s just me.

Miscavige took PTS/SP tech to a new level, since he declared all the top management executives to be Suppressive Persons. In fact, the whole point of “The Hole” was to cut off all contact from the outside world, a new and twisted form of disconnection.

One of his favorite sayings to management executives was that you tell an SP “No!”

THE BUNKER: No? As in, “No slop for you!” Hm. Well, perhaps some of the ex-church members in our audience could share with us some of their tales of shattering suppression. We’d love to hear them.

COST THIS WEEK: $1,500

COST SO FAR: $5,825

 
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Church Responds to California Supremes — Now We Wait for the Court’s Move

Last night, we got a copy of Scientology’s informal response to Laura DeCrescenzo’s answer to the church’s petition to the California Supreme Court. It’s mostly a restating of what the church had said before, but we thought readers would want to see it.

Once again, the church is arguing that California’s clergy-penitent law is unconstitutional because it discriminates against Scientology’s practice of allowing “ministers” to share confidential material that parishioners divulge in auditing sessions. In DeCrescenzo’s lawsuit, she is suing over the way she was treated as a “Sea Org” worker, including her claim that she was forced to have an abortion by a church that wanted her to keep working 100-hour weeks. She wants the contents of hundreds of her “pc folders” which were compiled as she went through interrogations over her career in the church. But the church insists that although 259 different employees compiled and reviewed her confessional material, it should be privileged information — even though it’s the penitent herself, Laura, who wants to have them turned over.

And, although DeCrescenzo has said that these interrogations were generally quizzing her about her loyalty to the group and her performance on the job, church attorney Bert Deixler refers to the material as “communications of deep religious significance concerning the spiritual counseling of a parishioner.”

Now that the church has made its petition, Laura has responded, and Deixler has made this informal answer, it’s now up the state supreme court to decide if it wants to put a stay on Laura’s lawsuit and consider the constitutionality of the state’s priest-penitent law. We’ll be watching.

 

CoS Informal Reply State Supreme Court

 
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Photos In Portland Not Doctored?

The Washington Times yesterday reported that the Church of Scientology denies that it doctored photos from its Portland Ideal Org opening. We compared Scientology’s photo of the crowd (which it estimated at 2,500) against photos taken by our correspondents (who said the crowd was more like 450 to 750 people) and pointed out that an entire row of shrubs had somehow been erased and there were people seemingly standing in a street that was actually empty. The church has been caught manipulating crowd shots in the past to inflate attendance at its events. Some of our own commenters pointed out that a very wide angle lens in the right position might create the effect in Scientology’s image from Portland. We’ll be interested to see further analysis of the image by experts.

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on May 14, 2013 at 07:00

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  • DodoTheLaser

    That shattered SP face on the course pack cover is me.

    I found a real good plastic surgeon though. Can you tell?!

    • FistOfXenu

      Got a recommendation from TC and JT did you?

      • Observer

        Zing!

    • grundoon

      I was guessing Sara Hubbard. Anyone got a photo of her?

      • Observer

        From Wikipedia

        • grundoon

          Bingo!

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          My word. It’s Dodo in drag!

  • jensting

    As we saw with Brian Culkin, the handling with really Suppressive Persons is to buy them off if they snitch on their SP soon-to-be-former friends.

    As for the photo from the opening of the idle mOrgue in Portland being doctored, many news and photography websites have picked this up, showing wrong light, showing confetti only on the parts that SPs say are doctored, and so on and so forth. For instance http://www.thephoblographer.com/2013/05/13/church-of-scientology-photoshops-an-image-internet-catches-it-and-laughs-heres-why/

    • mail online pulled their story about the doctored photos. i still think they are doctored 100 % but as far as i could tell everyone at least appeared to have a head this time.

      • Yeah, that was their unforgivable “error”: the headless guy was in an earlier picture not this one.

  • Truthiwant

    Just to put an end to the discrepancy of the numbers of visitors to Portland, the real numner is 1. All the other 2499 people were photoshopped. Here’s the proof…

    • noseinabk

      WOW! I knew someone with skilz would dig out the truth!

  • Observer

    What an appropriate topic for a board full of SPs after a week of megasuppression!

    “Type III are those who are ‘mostly in institutions.’ This is the person who thinks he’s surrounded by SPs, including ghosts and demons.” So let me make sure I get this right:

    Perceives ghosts and demons = PTS Type III, institutionalized
    Teaches people they are covered with body thetans = revered Source, Mankind’s Greatest Friend

    Edit: Yikes! Sorry, I couldn’t resize on my phone.

  • sugarplumfairy

    Wow.. There’s a lot more to confronting and shattering than I realized.. I thought it just meant down-arrowing comments..

    • Observer

      Or, as Bodhi Elfman so impressively demonstrated, friending/following someone on social media, sending a “You jelly?” message, then unfriending/unfollowing and blocking them. I imagine poor Marc is still picking up the pieces after that shattering!

      • sugarplumfairy

        Lol.. ouch.. a bodhi block.. how devastating..

      • I lost at least 4 Body Thetans on that short twitter exchange with Bodhi Elfman! I only have 8,675,309 left and have not been the same since. As far as scilons go, Bodhi has mad Twitter Fu skills.

        His wife still sends me photos & messages all the time so not sure if he should be blocking her as well…

        • Observer

          Hahaha! That is hilarious! Does she ask you what your crimes are?

          • stillgrace

            Jenna “knows” what crime “everyone” is guilty of committing. I think she protests a bit too much! Jenna, you are a BAD girl.

        • aquaclara

          this is hilarious…sounds like time to retweet one or two…

    • Truthiwant

      I can see Miscavige saying “We have completely shattered suppression now by down arrowing ALL the comments on Tony Ortega’s blog. Statistics are now again straight up and vertical.”

      • sharon brown

        Yeah, but the photoshooping news is a Spreading ! Moralcompass and Doubtful news ran stories with the pictures ! Major enturbulation coming his way courtesy of a bunch of tech savvy SP’s. Kinda ironic that a futuristic cult can’t even keep up with current technology ! Someone needs to tell them their “tech” is a half a century behind !

        • Bella Legosi

          Well it just goes to show the people they produce are really “out tech” huh?

          • sharon brown

            Yes ! Tiny Fists , report to the Ethics Office Immediately ! lol

      • Bella Legosi

        But how many of us laugh at the little despot’s “win”? Can he not hear our mocking laughter with his supah OT powerz? I would like to think so. That is a nice thought to imagine Little Boots being bombarded by hundreds of laughters spontaneously. I bet that would really make his solo auditing sessions interesting.

    • FistOfXenu

      Don’t blame yourself SPF it’s not your fault. The only SP handling we get here is down arrows and the stuff they do every place else doesn’t work anyways. 😛

    • DodoTheLaser

      It’s not Thursday before 2pm yet…

    • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

      If you are an OSA volunteer, then yes you need to down-arrow all entheta online. But then again, that is only the beginning. Confronting and shattering suppression includes burglarizing the offices of the Church’s enemies, spying on everyone, and writing thousands and thousands of KR’s. Confronting and shattering suppression includes a grim and uncompromising disregard for all wog laws.

  • DodoTheLaser

    PTS/SP Tech is 99% pile of shit.

    It’s a control mechanism in scientology.

    In real life, people mostly manage just fine,
    as far as figuring out who to trust and otherwise.

    A friend in need is a friend indeed. Simple.

    • FistOfXenu

      Hang on Dodo. What’s that other 1%?

      • aquaclara

        the other 1% consists of turning the pages.

        • FistOfXenu

          Ah. Thanks. But if you don’t just turn to the end and close the book and get up and walk out isn’t that 1% still a pile of shit?

          • aquaclara

            🙂

  • Truthiwant

    The PTS/SP course is one of the main reasons that I left Scientology. It was on this
    course that I began to realize that the whole subject was a farce, dangerous
    and brain washing. It was while reading the drivel written on this course that
    I began to think “If ALL Sea Org members are obliged to do PTS/SP then why are
    they still having so many problems with psychiatry and SP’s.”

    It was at this moment that I sarcastically thought to myself “Obviously the SP’s have got
    a Tech that is more effective than that of Scientology”.

    Also it was on this course that I began to realize that the study tech was a cold blooded
    indoctrination that hammered in what was written. At one point you have to recite,
    completely from memory and with NO mistakes, the complete Tone Scale from -40
    to +40. If you make even a tiny error it’s back to square one!

    To be honest I think the North Koreans are less brain washed than Scientologists.

    • “Obviously the SP’s have got a Tech that is more effective than that of Scientology”.

      Yes, it’s called common sense.

      • Truthiwant

        Nice one!!

        • overall

          You hit the nail on the head with that one. I lost a lot in Scientology and certainly one of the things was “common sense”.

      • FistOfXenu

        Well Mr Miscavige, your results indicate that you have a knack for making disastrous choices, and they’re confirmed by your ungainly walk and the holes in both your feet and the blood trails you leave as you walk. But we can fix that. Our revolutionary Common Sense Tech (TM) can make you able to make more effective and workable decisions in every area of your life. In a moment I’ll take you to our Regging Officer to get you started but 1st just look at what you’ll learn on the Common Sense Tech Course (TM). “Remembering not to be a douche bag with work colleagues,” “How to release friends and associates from The Hole,” “Breaking loose from your past mistakes by freeing your wife,” “Learning to be happier with less,” “You too can leave hate behind when you stop acting like a rat bastard,” and the star-rated check list module, “Get up, find the front door, walk out of $cientology forever and start making amends for what you did.” Mr Miscavige, this is the 1st day of the rest of your life so let’s get started!

    • It’s funny how $ci always considered Psychiatry to be such a threat. In
      fact, I talked to a local psychiatrist about $ci, and his career began
      in the 1970’s, and his opinion was that Psychiatrists mostly stayed away
      from $ci like the plague, mostly out of fear of its litigiousness. A
      malpractice lawsuit from the CCHR based on fabricated charges could
      spell the end of a career. And the APA has generally ignored $ci because they think it’s total quackery, like they do any fake science. Psychiatry isn’t the least bit interested in annihilating $ci…they simply don’t care.

      • Truthiwant

        Great comment. Thanks!!

      • John P.

        I am sure that the two things about the outside world that drives David Miscavige crazy is being ignored or being laughed at. While the 1991 Time Magazine cover story was serious PR damage to the cult, at least it portrayed them as successful, powerful and threatening — just what your average sociopathic tyrant wants. But consider the articles on the Daily Mail, BoingBoing and other high readership blogs — an appreciable fraction as many people saw these articles as saw the Time Magazine cover two decades ago, but the tone is “joking & degrading.” That’s gotta wound a tyrant with no sense of humor. So being ignored by the APA rather than being seen as a worthy adversary has gotta hurt almost as bad as all that Joking & Degrading.

        • richelieu jr

          Both times they sued me it was for little funny videos (one a sketch, one an ad) lightly mocking the church…

          Talk about no sense of humour… I totally agree. He can’t stand being laughed at. Feared and hated, OK. Mocked and ignored.. Not so much..

    • FLUNK_101

      What’s really insidious is the Scientology belief that “all sickness is PTS.” It discourages people from going to the doctor.

      One night I was sick on course, so they sent me to the Ethics Officer. I couldn’t be on course, so they wanted me to do “mest work” (manual labor).

      The conversation with the Ethics Officer went something like this:

      Flunk: Mest work? Can’t I go home? I’m sick.

      Ethics: You’re PTS.

      Flunk: I have aches and pains up and down my body.

      Ethics: Those are your overts!

      • Truthiwant

        Those aches and pains up and down your body were Body Thetans!! They have the same symptoms as overts but are much more expensive to cure!

        The cheapest way to cure all these problems is to tell the Church of Scientology to fuck off, go back home, have a large whisky, go to bed and wake up the next morning an ex-Scientologist!

        • FLUNK_101

          Sounds good to me!

        • FistOfXenu

          But maybe still go see a doctor in the morning.

      • John P.

        The notion of disease being caused by “overts” makes almost as much sense as the “miasma” theory of disease, which was considered the state of the art right before Semmelweiss came up with the germ theory of disease in the mid-19th century. It’s kind of interesting that Hubbard completely ignored the germ model for disease transmission, which had been in existence for over a century when he came up with his own theory. And then had the chutzpah to pass his nonsense off as a “science of the mind.”

        I also love the idea that somebody with 103 degrees of fever should be pulled out of the course room and assigned to “mest work” like janitorial services, where they will get a chance to wipe their germs all over computer keyboards, telephones, desk surfaces and doorknobs with dirty rags. Apparently, the concept of a “disease vector” was unknown to noted medical doctor L. Ron Hubbard.

        • FLUNK_101

          Thank you JohnP for the Semmelweiss reference. I just googled him, and saw he was in Vienna the same time as Freud, and others such as Rokitantsky, who said, “to discover the truth, we must look below the surface of things. ” This was the beginning of modernism’s search for the deep seated biological rules that govern human behavior. Too bad Hubbard didn’t get the memo … (which is strange, considering he was both a nuclear physicist and a doctor!)

          • grundoon

            Hadn’t heard of Semmelweiss. Thanks! wiki…

            From the 1600s through the mid to late 1800s, the majority of childbed
            fever cases were caused by the doctors themselves. With no knowledge of germs, doctors did not believe hand washing was needed. Statements like that of Dr. Charles Meigs, a leading obstetrician and teacher from Philadelphia, were the attitude of the time: “Doctors are gentlemen, and gentlemen’s hands are clean.” In the 1800s Dr. Ignaz Semmelweis noticed that women giving birth at home had a much lower incidence of childbed fever than those giving birth in the doctor’s maternity ward. His investigation discovered that washing hands with an antiseptic solution before a delivery reduced childbed fever fatalities by 90%.
            Publication of his findings was not well received by the medical
            fraternity. The idea conflicted with both the existing medical concepts
            and more importantly, with the image that doctors had of themselves.
            That intransigence consigned large numbers of mothers to painful,
            lingering deaths.
            The scorn and ridicule of doctors was so extreme that Semmelweis moved
            from Vienna and was eventually committed to a mental asylum where he
            died.

            • FLUNK_101

              I’ve read that women have about a 1 in 8 chance of dying during natural childbirth.
              And it’s been theorized that all those “evil stepmother” fairy tales came from mothers (who died during childbirth) being replaced by a new mother.
              Maybe that’s why there were only seven dwarves … and what’s with that myth of “the seventh son of a seventh son?”

            • Poison Ivy

              Interesting theory.

            • FLUNK_101

              I suppose the modern twist on that meme is the evil stepfather. Have you seen “Pan ‘s Labyrinth ?” It’s awesome.

          • Poison Ivy

            “which is strange, considering he was both a nuclear physicist and a doctor!”

            PLUS pilot naval hero explorer poet singer filmmaker and all the guys in the Village People put together…

            • FLUNK_101

              LOL!

            • FistOfXenu

              And Cecil Rhodes

        • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

          The phony “germ theory of disease” is used by quack medicos who want to line their pockets with cash by shoveling boatloads of drugs down the throats of their victims. Invariably, the pills don’t work and so these medicos say, “Well, we need to electroshock Little Johnny because he has a mental illness.”

          And so why Little Johnny becomes a vegetable who has to be locked up and fed pills by the Welfare State in a multi-trillion dollar a Psych drug year scam, this the deadly product of Nazi scientists who have created an increasingly sick and obese Society based upon their bizarre and fatal lies called the germ theory and mental illness.

          The only safe and effective solutions are those offered in the Church of Scientology. All other solutions are false and will kill you.

          http://i1284.photobucket.com/albums/a563/OTVIIIisGrrr8/2xScan001_zpsbcb048b8.jpg

        • overall

          Here’s the thing. Stress can cause illness and being connect to an SP can cause stress. So therefore, being connected to an SP can cause illness. There is actually some logic to this.
          The fallacy lies in how LRH defined SPs. SPs were/are people who are antagonistic to Scientology. The “handle” meant you had to convince these antagonistic people that Scientology was great or disconnect from them.

          So basically, it was a mind fuck. I got suckered into it by the kernel of truth. What an idiot I was.

      • That is why so many Scientologists die before they should. They think it’s PTS when in fact it is in most cases a curable illness that if treated properly and early would allow them to fully recover. Hubbard his self died at the age of 74! Most people live longer than that and Hubbard was supposed to be the most OTest OT in the whole universe.

    • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

      One of the main characteristics of the Suppressive Person is to attack the happiness and success of others.

      The SP will always attack those individuals and groups who are succeeding at Social Betterment programs and are thus helping millions of people everyday to live better lives, have better family relationships, and to prosper and flourish financially.

      This is true of the Church of Scientology.

      Because we help so many we are attacked daily by Suppressive Persons on the internet and in the media.

      But don’t just take our word for it. Ask one of the 25,000,000 Scientologists who showed up in Portland to cheer on COB RTC David Miscavige as he opened the new Ideal Org:

      http://i1284.photobucket.com/albums/a563/OTVIIIisGrrr8/Confetti12_zpse44c2693.png

      • Observer

        omg, I choked and I’m not even drinking anything!

        • aquaclara

          *snorting here*
          Best shoop of the week!

      • Truthiwant

        Wow, those pot plants have grown in to trees in the space of two days.
        But, heck, this is Scientology and with 25,000,000 OTVIIIs outside the Org, I guess they have the power to make a twig in to a forest.

        • FistOfXenu

          Pot plants? I thought they’d be tomato plants. Ron always had a way with tomato plants.

    • overall

      I quit the PTS/SP course at the “memorize the tone scale” step–the NEW PTS/SP course. I had taken the old PTS/SP course and there was a lot I couldn’t wrap my wits around. It seemed so self-serving for one thing. Basically, anyone who didn’t like SCN would be suspected of being an SP, according to LRH’s 12 characteristics. How convenient. Plus it would be hard to know some of the other points–like does someone complete cycles of action or not.
      And then I met some officially declared SPs and they were clearly not anti-social. It made no sense. I was still hypnotized, so I thought it was me. But it definitely made no sense.

      • Truthiwant

        When you’re ‘out’ it all seems so silly. But when you’re ‘in’ you can have your doubts however in the end you think that it must be your fault. Nobody else seems to be objecting. On the contrary they are all doing so well!

  • DodoTheLaser

    Here is a small list of SP’s:
    (Please, submit other detected SP’s)

    [IMG]http://i42.tinypic.com/90uh52.png[/IMG]

    Courtesy of: http://otviiiisgrrr8.com/

    Stay away to avoid the cold, sadness and early death.

    • Observer

      I guess I’ll have to shoop harder … lol!

      • DodoTheLaser

        Nah, your SPness, just post something on his/her blog in the comments.
        Your shoops are way better and funnier than scientology’s!
        With all my SP love, Dodo.

        • Observer

          Aw, shucks! Thank you.

      • sugarplumfairy

        Well, according to OTGr8, you’re in a class all by you yourself, Observer..

        • DodoTheLaser

          Yep, you made GrOT8 jelly 🙂
          That tells you something.

    • media_lush

      They haven’t discovered me yet, my disguise is still working.

      • grundoon

        Your secret is safe with us. They’ll never figure out that Tom Cruise is posting here under an alias.

    • EnthralledObserver

      🙁 *vows to be more suppressive in the future*

      • FistOfXenu

        You’d think he’s allow us to just buy our status. I thought that’s what $cientology does, you give them money and they make up titles and awards for you, right?

        • EnthralledObserver

          Well, yeah… that was the impression I was under. I wonder what we did wrong… not ‘enough’ credit to tap?
          It is time to concede that being a stay-at-home mum with a tight fisted hubby isn’t paying off for me. I’m PTS… but not quite SP in my own right.

          • noseinabk

            Maybe we need to apply for the Ideal Org Gas Station credit card? The application is probably quick and easy.

            • FistOfXenu

              Sure. Sign your name and hand over all your real credit cards.

            • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

              The Ideal Org Gas Station credit card; don’t leave home without it!

              http://i1284.photobucket.com/albums/a563/OTVIIIisGrrr8/CC11_zps598b23ab.png

            • sugarplumfairy

              When you use it, can you rack up frequent liar miles??

            • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

              Sugarplumfairy, yours would be a witty and clever comebak IF IT WERE DIRECTED AT THE PSYCHS!

              We in the Church of Scientology never lie and in fact our scriptures forbid lying.

            • sugarplumfairy

              c’mon.. if dm didn’t lie, he’d be a real boy by now and elron geppetto would be sooo proud..

    • sharon brown

      Now I have to find me a pix, I want in on that List ! lol

    • noseinabk

      Also on OT8s page

      “Someone at that blog posted a photo of Michael Douglas as Liberace.”

      We knew that this would be a hot new “NOW!” look for COB RTC David Miscavige and so we, yes, photoshopped it because we are RTC and can do anything we please:
      EDIT: Cant get the picture posted.

    • Ze Moo

      Just a bunch of jds (juvenile delinquents is the old term), now just jokers and degraders.

    • Poison Ivy

      Proud to be amongt hem.

      • aquaclara

        Me, too! I’m the first one, third row down! Or is that it over at the end of the first row? Hmmm. I get so confused!
        PS I really do need to create a nice little pic one of these days.

  • Something hit me, don’t you go across a bridge not up it? What bafoon started that term.

    • FistOfXenu

      L Ron Hubbafoonard.

    • Sokramor

      It’s probably one of those bridges you can lift… no wait, that’s not the right term (sorry, not a native speaker and extremely tired). You know, the ones that can be lifted up on both sides when a ship wants to pass through? So you can go up the bridge, and it gets steeper and steeper, and if you hold on you end up at a place where you can go nowhere but back – or take the plunge into cold water.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      I am sure you know that it’s based on THAT story, about the folks who get to a higher plateau, and then try to figure out how to get everyone else “up” there with them. LRH implores his followers to achieve this by building a better bridge.

      But, as you have pointed out, bridges are not typically used to help people climb higher. What is needed to climb higher is another tech entirely. We call it a LADDER.

      Climb ladder. Cross bridge.

      Now, model this in clay and then meet me at the oiliness table.

    • Captain Howdy

      Check above. The Bridge is an escalator

      • Sherbet

        In lrh’s case, we know the Bridge was NOT dental work.

  • aquaclara

    Laura, to COS: “I’d like my files back, please.”
    COS: “No, these are highly confidential documents of a strong spiritual nature. They must be kept very secret.”
    Laura: “But they are my documents-I already know what’s in them.”
    COS: “Only ministers and ministers in training may see them.”
    Laura: “That’s ok. I am a fully trained minister.”
    COS: “No, we must stress how highly confidential they are. We have limited it to 259 ministers, but not you. We don’t know all their names, and well, most haven’t been through formal minister training, and many have left the church. But only they had a right to see the files. Not you.”
    Laura: “They are about me!”
    COS, peering out over the 672 pounds of documents they have filed to date: “That’s irrelevant.”

    I hope the judge sees through the COS’s utterly false, blustering charade, sees that the secrets the church is trying to keep are their own, not Laura’s, and awards her a big win here.
    Thank you for the update and the dox.

    • DodoTheLaser

      Curious case of 259 scientology OT ministers and their lawyers becoming PTS to a single Laura SP…

      • aquaclara

        A+

    • monkeyknickers

      God I hope so too. As I was reading that statement I was thinking – the amount of resources, taxpayer money, and time completely wasted on having to dick over these stupid assertions is outrageous.

      • aquaclara

        I’m appreciating the spelling of “assertions” today. It starts off so well.
        🙂

  • It’s Portland, just put a bird on it.

  • There, all better. Too large, sorry!

    • Captain Howdy

      Are those Bluejays?

      • Bella Legosi

        *evil eye* I hate those blue jays! lol Someone just had to make a Portlandia joke huh?

  • LongNeckGoose

    The original source from which Hubbard lifted the basics of this subject was “The Mask of Sanity” by Hervey Cleckley. (There was also a recent reworking of this subject called “The Sociopath Next Door” by Martha Stout which is much easier to find.)

  • Graham

    “Some of our own commenters pointed out that a very wide angle lens in the right position might create the effect in Scientology’s image from Portland.” If so it’s still image manipulation. Photoshopping’s not the only way to make the camera lie.

  • DodoTheLaser

    Little imromptu:

    Once I was a wog, sipping on egg nog

    I turned in PTS, who would’ve guess

    Now I’m an SP, how can I be all three?

    That reminds me – where’s Andrew from NZ?

    • sugarplumfairy

      We love our SD: suppressive Dodo..

      • DodoTheLaser

        Thank you, Dear SPF, blushing here 🙂 It’s mutual!
        Is Andrew ok? DId he take a vacation from The Bunker?

        • sugarplumfairy

          I miss him too! A day without Andrew is a day without sunshine, poetry and scathing criticism and ridicule of co$..

  • Vistaril

    Thank you for this insight. I feel as if the subject has been barely touched, though. In short, the PTS/SP Doctrine is the most pernicious aspect of L Ron Hubbard’s teachings and is what makes the practise of Scientology a hate crime. For all L Ron Hubbard’s “infinite value logic”, the PTS/SP Doctine is underpinned, in part, by the statement:

    . . . “There are two types of behavior – that calculated to be constructive and that calculated to be disastrous.

    “These are the two dominant behavior patterns. There are people then who are trying to build things up and others who are trying to tear things down.

    “And there are no other types. Actually there aren’t even shades of grey . . .

    ^^^Hubbard article of 2. April 1964, Two Types of People and included in the PTS/SP Course.

    This underlying precept, along with other things like “Man cannot be trusted with justice”, thus “homo novis”, provides, in the brainwashed mind of a Scientologist, complete justification for all manner of crimes including various documented cases of murder, kidnapping, arson, perjury, corruption of justice, stalking, burgalry, and fraud. The PTS/SP Doctrine also underpins the grevious yet sacred Scientology spiritual rite of disconnection. And don’t think these things can be removed from Scientology for the workings of this “religious” tenet are intricately woven into the very DNA of Scientology. Here’s a partial list of the publicly available L Ron Hubbard KSW Scientology scripture which would have to be excised to remove its influence on the practise of the subject:

    Vol. 7, No. 2 “Certainty” (1960) – WHY SOME FIGHT SCIENTOLOGY
    HCO PL 27 Oct. 1964 (Re-issued on 23 June 1967) (Replaces HCO Pol Ltr 5 Nov 1964) TROUBLESOME SOURCES
    HCO PL 7 March 1965RB I, SUPPRESSIVE ACTS, SUPPRESSION OF SCIENTOLOGY AND SCIENTOLOGISTS
    HCO PL 5 Apr. 1965 – HANDLING THE SUPPRESSIVE PERSON, THE BASIS OF INSANITY
    Tape: 6505C18 “Organization and Ethics”
    Tape: 6506C08 “Handling the PTS”
    HCO PL 19 July 1965 (Issue II) – SEPARATION ORDER
    HCO PL 7 Aug. 1965 – SUPPRESSIVE PERSONS, MAIN CHARACTERISTICS OF
    HCO PL 16 Aug 1965, Issue II, – COLLECTION FROM SPS AND PTSES
    HCOB 29 Sept. 1965 – Issue II – THE CONTINUING OVERT ACT
    HCOB 8 Nov. 1965 – SUPPRESSIVES AND HIDDEN STANDARDS
    HCOB 24 Nov. 1965 – SEARCH AND DISCOVERY
    HCO PL 23 Dec. 65RA Rev. 10.9.83 (Replaces HCO Policy Letter of 7 March 1965, Issue I) SUPPRESSIVE ACTS, SUPPRESSION OF SCIENTOLOGY AND SCIENTOLOGISTS
    Vol. 13, No. 22 “Certaintty” (Feb. 1966) “Certainty” – PSYCHOTICS
    Tape: 6608C02 “Suppressives and GAEs”
    Tape: 6608C25 “The Antisocial Personality”
    HCOB 27 Sept. 1966 – THE ANTISOCIAL PERSONALITY THE ANTI-SCIENTOLOGIST
    HCOB 20 Jan. 1972R (Rev. 8.12.78) – PTS RUNDOWN ADDITION
    HCO PL 5 April 1972RD – PTS TYPE A HANDLING
    HCOB 17 April 1972, CS Series 76 – CSing A PTS RUNDOWN
    HCOB 24 Apr. 1972 I C/S Series 79 PTS INTERVIEWS
    HCO PL 3 May 1972R Exec Series 12 Rev. 18.12.77 ETHICS AND EXECUTIVES
    HCOB 3 June 1972RA Rev. 8.12.78 PTS RUNDOWN, FINAL STEP
    HCOB 10 Aug. 1973 PTS HANDLINGS
    HCO PL 15 Sept 1973 HANDLING DISCONNECTIONS
    HCOB 27 July 1976PTS – RUNDOWN AND VITAL INFO RUNDOWN POSITION CORRECTED
    HCOB 29 Dec. 1978 (Rev.20.12.83) – THE SUPPRESSED PERSON RUNDOWN – A MAGICAL NEW RUNDOWN
    HCOB 30 Dec. 1978R (Rev. 6.1.79) – SUPPRESSED PERSON RUNDOWN PROBLEMS PROCESSES
    HCOB 31 Dec. 1978 II – OUTLINE OF PTS HANDLING
    HCOB 31 Dec. 1978 III – EDUCATING THE PTS THE FIRST STEP TOWARD HANDLING: PTS C/S-1
    HCO PL 16 May 1980 (Issue II) – ETHICS, PTS TYPE A, POLICY ON HANDLING ANTAGONISTIC SOURCES
    HCO PL 16 May 1980 (Issue II) – ETHICS, SUPPRESSIVE ACTS, SUPPRESSION OF SCIENTOLOGY AND SCIENTOLOGISTS
    HCO PL 20 Oct. 1981R (Rev. 10.9.83) – PTS TYPE A HANDLING
    HCOB 16 Apr. 1982 – MORE ON PTS HANDLINGS
    HCOB 8 Mar. 1983 – HANDLING PTS SITUATIONS
    HCOB 10 Sept. 1983 – PTSness AND DISCONNECTION
    HCOB 21 May 1985 (CIS Series 121 FPRD Series 11) – TWO TYPES OF PTSes

    There is a whole library of confidential scripture which explains the need for and details how to commit the crimes mention above.

    • sugarplumfairy

      This library is the major reason that lrh’s actual Target 2 is his own personal spit in hell..

      • DodoTheLaser

        NO SPF! Ronaldo is peacefully circling the Arcturus star!

        • sugarplumfairy

          I prefer to imagine him peacefully circling beelzebub’s shower drain..

        • Vistaril

          I got a postcard . . .

          • FistOfXenu

            I hear any day now he’ll be sending back a super-8 film of him discussing philosophy with Arcturian bandits and learning their special techniques of “stardust combat wrestling”.

            • Observer

              After he’s done sleeping with them, of course.

            • FistOfXenu

              Oh no, he won’t sleep with them. He’ll just teach them how to mast- I mean, how to create a moon child.

            • Sherbet

              And smoke.

            • FistOfXenu

              Wonder what he’s doing for a supply of Kools now? Postulates?

            • Sherbet

              I think his meat body was cremated. ’nuff said.

            • FistOfXenu

              Are you saying they took away his ability to smoke Kools? Uh oh. Somebody’s gonna catch hell when he comes back to resume control of the cult.

            • Sherbet

              No, I’m saying right now he’s the equivalent of a smoked Kool. Ashes to ashes, and, in lrh’s case, horse’s ass to ashes.

            • oh, i cant remember the name of the guy who wrote those great scn short stories he linked here a few posts back, but if there ever was a plot for a short story, this is perfect. LRH is back and he’s pissed! (well he was pissed before he left, but still good story hook.)

            • Observer

              Ewwwwwww

            • FistOfXenu

              That’s the story of LRH’s life Obs.

            • mirele

              OK, I just had a vision, I need brain bleach STAT!

            • Sherbet

              And becoming their blood brothers, Fist.

            • FistOfXenu

              How could I forget that? And then he’ll have a “genuine” Arcturian native write a letter how LRH is a real blood brother not just to Arcturians but the whole guh-LAX-y. Then we’ll get all the stories of his time in the Arcturian Space Navy when he shot at space ships from neighboring hostile stars and even though he was the only 1 who could see them all his fellow officers and crew backed him because they knew he was the only 1 that could save them. It was only coincidence that although no trace of those other ships or their wreckage was ever found, a nearby planet was damaged.

            • Sherbet

              A nearby planet AND Mexico. You forgot his WWII heroic feat of firing on Mexico? Oh, the humanity! Oh, the turquoise! Oh, the tacos!

            • FistOfXenu

              Nope. Didn’t forget it. Now that he’s circling Arcturus he considers himself graduated from attacking earth countries and goes gunning after whole planets. I was referring to Mexico.

            • hubbard rails on in his writings about the “only one” case, you are meant to be a rah rah team member all the way. this is the first time it clicked that, that was because only HE could be the only one. sheeesh, the onion just keeps peeling. i realised the other day that he’d said admiration was the most valuable “particle”in the universe, but then he wrote into one of his codes; NEVER desire admiration. deep fried onion blossoms are lovely, but not when you realise it is your brain on $cientology.

            • grundoon

              Hubbard said YOU should never desire admiration because HE wanted ALL of it.

          • Observer

            Unsee unsee unsee

          • Sherbet

            Hilarious! I like your new shattered AV, too.

    • DodoTheLaser

      Oh, look!

      [IMG]http://i41.tinypic.com/dyu0dd.jpg[/IMG]

      It’s works and it helps people!

      • Observer

        Hahaha! Love the hamfisted cover art! Nothing subtle about that, no sirree. Also, Orange Sweater’s left arm is at least a third again as long as his right arm.

        • DodoTheLaser

          :):)

        • media_lush

          Even before photoshopping existed they still couldn’t get it right old school style, lol.

      • Observer

        Also, why would you want to overcome life’s ups? Downs, yes, but ups? Unless unsightly limb-lengthening is a side effect of the ups.

        • FistOfXenu

          It’s easier for the cult to photoshop you into their publicity pictures if you don’t have either ups or downs.

        • A certain person doesn’t want anyone to have long limbs.

        • ThetaBara

          This might have to do with the thing about how, if your penis is too big or your eyesight is too actue, Scientology can fix that for you.

      • Ze Moo

        I see Jazz hands!!!!

        • Poison Ivy

          LOL!

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        So THAT’S what a bridge looks like…

        • FistOfXenu

          Close. Doesn’t show you that as soon as you get near the top, somebody reads out an official letter from DM that says “Errors were found in the stairs and hand rails. A new escal- that is to say bridge – is being built with all the errors taken out. Now get off at the next level and return to the bottom. You will be guided to the new correct esca- I mean bridge – by the Regging Officer. Please have your credit card ready.”

    • scnethics

      Wow, so true.

  • DodoTheLaser

    For good people who still didn’t realize they are PTS’, here’s full list of wisdom gems:

    PTS Type One

    A person who has an SP in contact with
    them, trying to help them get out of the cult.

    PTS Type Two

    A person who has an SP in their past who they can’t name.

    A catch-all for people who don’t improve using the
    unworkable quack therapy of Scientology.

    PTS Type Three

    A person suffering a psychotic breakdown due to connection with an anti-Scientologist or psychiatrist,
    supposedly. Often this label is applied to people who flip under the incredible strain of Scientology’s paranoid bullshit. PTS Type Three’s are then placed on the Introspection Rundown, where they are locked up to hide them from authorities, who don’t like to see people driven round the bend by the cult, and may make waves.

    PTS Type A

    People intimately connected with SPs through family or marital ties who are likely to have help getting out of the cult or be exposed to the other side of the question.

    PTS Type B

    Criminals.

    PTS Type C

    People who make legal threats against the cult, or who publicly attack Scientology.

    PTS Type D

    People who believe that Scientology is responsible for what it did to them, who won’t buy the line that they are
    completely responsible for all the destructive things the cult does and won’t accept that the victim is solely to blame for any mishaps.

    PTS Type E

    People who are forced into being audited by others. To be effective, the impetus must seem to come from within, then they only have themselves to blame.

    PTS Type F

    People who aren’t certain that Scientology’s quack therapy works, and want to test it.

    PTS Type G

    Rich or influential people who want free quack auditing “therapy” based on their status.

    PTS Type H

    Open minded people who aren’t certain and 100% dedicated to Scientology, as the cult demands.

    PTS Type I

    People who do not believe that they can get better using the cult’s quack therapy,

    thus the placebo effect will be weakened.

    PTS Type J

    People who are likely to have a critical bent regarding Scientology, who may not swallow the BS in one big gulp – judges, boards, newspaper reporters, magazine writers, etc.

    http://www.xenu-directory.net/glossary/glossary_p.htm#PTS_Type_A

    This is reworded (sarcasm), but is still correct, this is actual full PTS list.

    • Vistaril

      That’s a handy list, thank you.

      It always makes me chuckle when a Scientologist retreats to that tragic bastion in defence of the indefensible: “but, but, but . . . its workable”. What is omitted from that plaintive cry is the small print:

      its workable . . . except when you are

      Type One, or Type Two, or Type Three, or Type A, or Type B, or Type C, or Type D, or Type E, or
      Type F, or Type G, or, Type H, or Type I, or Type J, or you have an M/U

      . . . in which case, it doesn’t work and its your fault. But we can fix that – see the reg.

      • Observer

        Love the new avatar!

      • stillgrace

        What a programming “Select Case” option nightmare!!

    • Sherbet

      Dodo, you’re firing on all cylinders this morning!

    • John P.

      PTS Type G: Rich or influential people who want free quack auditing “therapy” based on their status.

      In other words, everyone at Celebrity Centre. How much do you think Tom Cruise pays in “intensives” at $1000 per hour when he’s in getting audited? I am guessing that Miscavige doesn’t see them as PTS, but as P$S (potential money source), a different thing entirely.

    • grundoon

      PTS Type K

      People who secretly ate the Commodore’s strawberries

      PTS Type L

      and those who covered up for them

      PTS Type M

      and those who whispered of mutiny

      • Spackle Motion

        Good one. Captain Queeg references should be used at all times in reference to LRH.

  • There are actually a lot more types of PTS apart from I,II and III, there are also letters, Type A, B, C… etc.

    • DodoTheLaser

      Yes, Sir. I just posted them. Altered with irony, but still true.

    • 1subgenius

      This could be fun:
      PTS Type K – Fishmongers.
      (see where I’m going with this?)

      • Captain Howdy

        PTS Type Z – Zombies

        • Poison Ivy

          Then PTS Type Z also = Scientologists

      • ThetaBara

        PTS Type L – laughs at Scientology. Jokers and Degraders.

  • 1subgenius

    “The Washington Times yesterday reported….”

    Cults of a feather.
    However broadly the definition is to be construed, “minister-in-training” seems to specifically exclude that person from being a “minister”.

    • Ruby

      A way they could actually find out if these staff were “ministers in training” is to ask to see their “technical individual program”, which is a list of all the training actions they are supposed to do to get fully hatted for their post. All staff are supposed to have one of these. The Staff Section Officer is the person who makes sure this is done on all staff, and records of this program are to be kept on each staff member. It would be easy to see if the Ministers Course was a part of these programs for all the people who looked in Laura’s folders.

      • 1subgenius

        In their answer they say they submitted evidence of this to the trial judge.
        Would like to see that.
        I think it was a statement by someone saying “Yeah, they’re all ministers.”
        (Reminds me of a scene in some comedy, where the priest waves his hands over a crowd and says, “Domini, domini, domini. You’re all Catholics now.”)

        • Ruby

          Great analogy! Well, fortunately for Laura and her attorneys, they could request to see the documentation of the “technical individual program” that is, per Hubbard’s policy, required to be a part of every staff members files, especially those of ministers in training. I was posted in that area of the organization when the IRS ruling of tax exempt was done. And I remember the DSA of our org checking to see that auditors had all done the ministers course, or had it on their program. What about all the other “ministers” who looked into Laura’s folder? Where is the full documentation to support their statement?

          • 1subgenius

            That’s all it would take.
            I suggested elsewhere that the case could be over in 15 minutes if the Court scheduled a hearing for them to produce such.

        • Reminds me of a scene in some comedy, where the priest waves his hands over a crowd and says, “Domini, domini, domini. You’re all Catholics now.”

          That’s from Firesign Theater:
          [Irish-accented priest]: D’ye see what I’m holding over your heads, lads? D’ye see it? D’ye see it?
          [Native]: Why yes, it’s a cross, symbolic of the quartering of the universe into active and passive principles.
          [Priest]: Lord ha mercy on yer heathen souls.
          [Capitan]: What the padre means is, what is the cross made of? Gold! You got any?
          [Native]: We have corn, it’s golden.
          [Soldier]: Now we can make tortillas! We’ve been waiting hundreds of years for this!
          [Capitan]: I claim this land in the name of the Empire of Spain forever!
          [Soldier]: But Capitan! The rain, she’s-a stoppa to fall! The corn, she’s all dead!
          [Capitan]: All right, I claim this steenking desert in the name of the Empire of Spain forever!
          [Priest]: Oh by the way, domini domini domini, yer all Cathlick now!
          [Native]: God bless Vespucci-land…

    • Captain Howdy

      Disqus sucks. Your comment about the Times wasn’t even showing when i posted mine.

    • John P.

      Yes, the house organ of another failing cult with kooky beliefs is the first place to look for credible information about whether Scientology photoshopped these pictures. Their editorial page makes Fox News look like a model of probity and editorial restraint. Now all we need is the Nation of Islam’s daily rag to weigh in on the controversy.

  • Sherbet

    Yet again, Claire’s explanations leave me with my jaw hanging open, not knowing whether to be horrified or to laugh out loud. What a pile of horsepuckey! I’m amazed she and Marc got out with their sanity and common sense intact and were able to rejoin the world without clinging to the lunacy. It seems they were able to chuck it all with no looking back, and that’s a miracle in itself. As we’ve seen, not every ex can do that so thoroughly and so quickly.

    • ThetaBara

      It’s the power of Love. I am not even kidding. Their story would make such a great movie!

      • Mrs Libnish

        I’d just be happy for the next book.

  • Sherbet

    I’m proud to be a PTS
    With ridicule for Hubbard’s mess.
    In Bunker staffed by Tony O,
    Assisted by those in the know:
    The exes, ins, and DownVoteBoy
    (The latter’s task: just to annoy)
    May I aspire, someday to be
    A full-fledged Bunkerite SP!

    • sharon brown

      That was Fantabulous ,Sherbert! Hope down vote boy sees it and Feels our Love . * standing ovation *

      • Sherbet

        Andrew is usually one of the Poets Laureate in the Bunker, but he’s not here at the moment.

        • sharon brown

          Well, you did an Excellent job as a fill in ! 😉

          • Sherbet

            Thank you!

    • FistOfXenu

      I’d like to announce that your indicators are all very good and you have graduated as a full-fledged Bunkerite SP. Congratulations!

      • Sherbet

        Aw, gee, I don’t know what to say, Fist! I’m honored! Be careful, though. Claire said above: “An SP makes trouble for the people around him, and can cripple his friends or even drive them into mental institutions.”

        We may need to annex a psych clinic onto the Bunker.

        • FistOfXenu

          No. An oiliness table will do just fine. 😉

          • Sherbet

            😉 back atcha.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      And even all these years and efforts later…

      They rally their anti-PTS forces,
      And can’t stop Potential Trouble Sources.

      • Sherbet

        We are legion!

      • FistOfXenu

        If there was even 1 genuine OT with real OT powerz we wouldn’t be here, this site wouldn’t be here, and they wouldn’t have to settle for clicking on down arrows here or else saying something and getting answered into ribbons for not knowing what they’re talking about.

        • Sherbet

          And, speaking of OT “wins” — Last night, I got into bed and was applying hand cream, and I dropped the cap of the tube onto the floor. In total darkness, mind you, I reached down, and — miraculously! — I immediately found the cap on the floor. I postulated the cap would be Right There, and, doggone, if it wasn’t Right There in the first place I touched! “Advance!” magazine is gonna hear about this. (Although I’m shaky with crimped magazine corners and green patio furniture, it’s still my win.)

          I’m not an OT, I never spent a penny on scidumbtology, and yet I can find a plastic tube cap on the floor at night. Who could deny there are mysterious forces at work here??

          • ThetaBara

            Way to be At Cause!

          • grundoon

            That’s nice, but can you find a parking space?

          • FistOfXenu

            And that’s why we’re winning little by little. Plain old humanity beats imaginary OT powerz every time. (but I still want us to get an oiliness table)

        • ThetaBara

          They shouldn’t even need to wear glasses! WHY do so many of them still need to wear glasses?

    • Bob

      Why Clams Keep Dying Like Flys

      By nature clams are PTS,
      Because they’re under constant stress,
      To go in debt to climb the bridge,
      And climb and climb until they ridge.
      Or if they’re rich the reg descends,
      To make requests that never end.
      Idle orgs, SMI and ABLE
      Demand the money on the table,
      Narconon and IAS,
      No wonder bots are PTS.
      They never see it as they die,
      That SCN is the real lie,
      It’s time clams out the true SP,
      It’s not the ex’s it’s little Davy.

      • Sherbet

        Aw, neat-o, Bob!

      • sugarplumfairy

        Co$ makes life so dismal that some of it’s folk lose the light.. that spark of life.. the will to keep going.. once that’s gone, the meat body is susceptible to all manner of attack.. I’m an OR nurse and I’ll tell you a secret about surgeons.. If they see a patient without the will to live, they don’t operate..

        • I like your analogy. I have families that will bring their 93 yr old granny in & the granny hasn’t seen a doctor in many, many years (when obviously she needed to) and then thinks I can fix them overnite or at least in a couple days. I have to explain to them that the anesthesiologists are not running down the hall to put a 93 yr old to sleep. That case gets picked last, like Sheldon, Leonard, Howard or Raj for a school sports team.

          • sugarplumfairy

            Lol.. Remember the wrestling match between Wolowitz and Koothrapali?

            And poor Grammy.. Now she’ll never get that butt lift she’s been saving up for..

            • Yeah, I know that episode. I just find that show so funny.

          • John P.

            That case gets picked last, like Sheldon, Leonard, Howard or Raj for a school sports team.

            Hate to disagree with you but I am going to bet that Sheldon, et al. got picked first for chess team and debate team. At my high school, those are sports because guys got to wear letterman’s jackets just like the football players (which probably meant that they got beat up more than they would have otherwise).

            • Oh…right. All hail the power of the high school letterman jacket. The only piece of clothing high school teenagers never lose or forget which girl they let wear it. No chess team at my high school but if there had been I’m sure they would have been beaten up or, at the very least, verbally assaulted. But in middle school we had bats in the gymnasium and that was quite the sport in itself. Our P.E. class was a great opportunity for physical enhancement usually of the cardio variety. Those were the good old public school days. I suppose “public school” is redundant at this point.

      • FistOfXenu

        Bravo Bob!

        • Bob

          Thanks. Could not resist.

  • media_lush

    Interesting new article on how “scientology and fraud” can piss off someone selling dietary supplements.

    http://www.businessweek.com/news/2013-05-14/google-loses-german-case-over-autocomplete-search-word-function

    • mirele

      Well, the decision is funny, but stupid. Obviously these yahoos haven’t lived with having the first item for their name being an obnoxious cultie website for the last 12 or more years. Seriously, some people need to gut it up. The Internet isn’t for shrinking violets.

      • media_lush

        The great thing here is that the google search algorithm is based on what most people are searching for, so we now have proof that, in Germany anyway, that Scientology fraud is the most common search when you start typing in Scientology.

  • May_West

    Sounds like scientology wants the law of the land to allow them to call everyone in their group a minister and afford legal confidentiality across the board.
    IOW, can we haz constitutional protection while we plan, discuss and analyze our criminal acts both pre and post their commitment?

    • Bella Legosi

      I would LOVE to see that statement written up in Co$ legalise!

      OTVIIIgrrr8 is the RTC and their lawyers currently in custody of said document? We all know how you guys have a way with confronting and shattering the suppression of court systems.

  • stillgrace

    Go ahead and deny the photoshooping, dm! Keep doing it every day! Get as many publications as you can to print your denials. Then google: Streisand Effect.
    Final piece of advice to dm: step away from the PS s/w, hire a professional, stop trying to do everything yourself.

    • 1subgenius

      There was no need to do it at all, and certainly no reason to do it so quickly and poorly.

      • stillgrace

        On a serious note, it is a telling confirmation of the false “reality bubble” he inhabits.

    • FistOfXenu

      Don’t give him so much good advice Grace! Right now he doesn’t even realize he’s working for us. That’s 1 boat we shouldn’t rock.

      • stillgrace

        LOL. Don’t worry, FOX, he won’t take my advice. He probably had Lou read to him from “Photoshop for Dummies” until 3:00 this morning!

        • FistOfXenu

          “Step 1: put away the scotch. You can’t do good work if you’re blind drunk. Really, you can’t. Now put it away.
          Step 2: if your name is David Miscavige we know about you. Put this book down NOW! We won’t help you. Go back to drinking and leave us alone.”

  • A walk in these shoes. A ride along this train of thought.
    The one being that has the power to save a planet. The one being that holds
    that knowledge. The only one able to apply it correctly. Alone! Unafraid to do
    whatever is necessary. The only one left working to that goal, with naught else
    but that goal in mind. The one true believer! To have to watch so many pass to
    failure again and again. I grow angry as these acts are played out before me.
    An anger thrust upon me by the crimes of those around me. To have to explain
    again and again. I am a giant plagued by swarming insects. Blind to their
    biting and buzzing. And yet for some the only answer is swatting. For some
    internment with perhaps a chance that they may yet learn. The power is within
    me to hold true through all these trials. THE GREATEST GOOD! Still they refuse
    to see. Refuse to follow my directives. The mantel of the SOURCE is passed to
    me. That keeps me strong. That stays my resolve. And though some refuse to see it,
    I know this to be true. Everywhere I go I am catered to. Everyone I meet stand
    in awe and respect of my presence. Everything I say is applauded in standing
    ovation. Every order I give is put into action immediately. Yet still the tasks
    I lay upon them fall short of completion. Do they mock me? Have they turned
    against me? My thoughts turn dark!

    And the darker thoughts: Why is it if I am the one that all
    others need look up to, that I myself must look up to most everyone I speak to?
    They need knocked down so I can look down upon them as should be. To see them
    battered and beaten before me is my cognition! They need to be helpless before
    me! They need to grovel before my wrath! That is their lot in life! All must
    bow or be brought to the despair they deserve for their ignorance! They must
    rot in a hole in hell to quell this darkness driven upon me. They must be kept
    away from me lest their infection seep into my being. I do not bring these
    atrocities down upon their heads. They bring them in and attempt to pass them
    on. TO ME! They dare to attempt my descent into the hell they have created! I
    will not be with them! I will not look at them! I will not speak to them! They will
    no longer exist! They were my darkness and now they are gone!

    It’s frightening to believe one could have THAT^ awareness!

    Not saying that anyone does of course. Just a passing
    thunderstorm on a sunny day.

    Now back to the picnic!

    • 1subgenius

      To paraphrase Woody Allen: “That’s heavy. It achieves true heaviosity.”

  • mirele

    And in TonyO got there first: here’s ABC News reporting on the EEOC action: http://abcnews.go.com/Business/workers-allegedly-forced-practice-scientology/story?id=19171046#.UZJChIJ5Hx4

  • Bella Legosi

    Is it wise to ask Supremes to “re-examine” statutes and precedents, THEN basically turn those precedents over so that this ONE church can disseminate “private, confidential” material among numerous “ministers” for their penitent’s? And wouldn’t this hypothetical turn over or ruling potentially lead to the destruction of “priest-penitent” privilege as it is currently defined?

    My brain may still be somewhat sleepy, but that thought came to me as I was reading this response. If I am wrong please enlighten me, cuz I hate having the wrong info or interpretation, for I am not a lawyer type!

    *still reading but had to ask

    • 1subgenius

      No it wasn’t wise to ask.
      The most likely scenario is that the Court will not strike down the statute as unconstitutional, but uphold it in a ruling that results in CoS being denied the ability to make such a claim in all subsequent similarly situated proceedings.
      Prisoner: “I want my rights! I want my rights!”
      Guard: “I’ll give you your rights, and I’ll give you some lefts, too, if you don’t shut up.”
      (I actually witnessed this exchange)

      • Bella Legosi

        Thank you cowboy! The thought of it being struck down so no further similar claims can be made in this case did not occur to me. I was thinking if they up held this, it would in essence change priest-penitent privilege. I would imagine there are not many judges (especially Supreme ones) who entertain the thought of changing such institutional privilages, unless there was a clear, defined, and distinct reason to do so.

        In other words, “If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it. Cuz I don’t want to deal with all the extra parts left behind.”

        I suspect I am looking to far and reading too deep again! lol But many thanks!

    • Still_On_Your_Side

      I think you’ve got it. The law addressing the priest-penitent privilege is under California’s evidence code. Clergy is defined as “a priest, minister, religious practitioner, or similar functionary of a church or of a religious denomination or religious organization.” So, as I see it, every church already has the same potential rights as the CoS because every church could, technically, have dozens of clergy hear a confession, or read one if it is reduced to print. The CoS, however, is claiming that it has been singled out for harm by the code, because it is the only one that has a religious theology that requires many clergy read a confession. Therefore, according to the church, the evidentiary privilege should be extended to as many clergy as it, or any church, chooses. What a tremendous gift this would be to any church that wants to protect itself from lawsuits, and what a disastrous burden it would place on anyone harmed by a member of the clergy. If the California Supreme Court demands that the evidence code be changed, it could create havoc within the legal system. How could the state prosecute offending clergy if a church claims that a thousand priests read a confession of child molestation? Where does the state draw the line, one priest, two priests, one thousand priests, one million priests? According to the CoS any limit on the numbers of clergy is interfering with the First Amendment. The First Amendment, however, is not an unlimited carte blanche for protection, there are many limitations, the CoS just wants the special right to be free of any limitations it doesn’t agree with.

      • 1subgenius

        The slope is slippery indeed.

      • May_West

        The statute spells out its intention: it is in place to allow people the ability to unburden themselves when they feel they need to, without fear of repercussions. It does not say it is in place to allow people, once unburdened, to be systematically counselled. I think scientology’s interpretation of the law is faulty.

        • Still_On_Your_Side

          I agree that the CoS is interpreting the law to suit their own interest. It doesn’t matter whether it has to do with counseling, the law says that if there is a priest-penitent relationship, and the penitent thought something was said in confidence, then the communication is presumed to be confidential. The same code is used to define patient-doctor privilege. Here is the law at issue:

          CALIFORNIA EVIDENCE CODE

          Division 8. Privileges.

          Chapter 3. General Provisions Relating to Privileges.

          § 917. Presumption that certain communications are confidential; privileged character of electronic communications.(a) Whenever a privilege is claimed on the ground that the matter sought to be disclosed is a communication made in confidence in the course of the lawyer-client, physician-patient, psychotherapist-patient, clergy-penitent, husband-wife, sexual assault victim-counselor, or domestic violence victim-counselor relationship, the communication is presumed to have been made in confidence and the opponent of the claim of privilege has the burden of proof to establish that the communication was not confidential.

          (b) A communication between persons in a relationship listed in subdivision (a) does not lose its privileged character for the sole reason that it is communicated by electronic means or because persons involved in the delivery, facilitation, or storage of electronic communication may have access to the content of the communication.

          (c) For purposes of this section, “electronic” has the same meaning provided in Section 1633.2 of the Civil Code.

          Chapter 4. Particular Privileges.

          Article 8. Clergy Penitent Privileges.

          § 1030. Member of the clergy.As used in this article, a “member of the clergy” means a priest, minister, religious practitioner, or similar functionary of a church or of a religious denomination or religious organization.

          § 1031. Penitent.As used in this article, “penitent” means a person who has made a penitential communication to a member of the clergy.

          § 1032. Penitential communication.As used in this article, “penitential communication” means a communication made in confidence, in the presence of no third person so far as the penitent is aware, to a member of the clergy who, in the course of the discipline or practice of the clergy member’s church, denomination, or organization, is authorized or accustomed to hear those communications and, under the discipline or tenets of his or her church, denomination, or organization, has a duty to keep those communications secret.

          § 1033. Privilege of penitent.Subject to Section 912, a penitent, whether or not a party, has a privilege to refuse to disclose, and to prevent another from disclosing, a penitential communication if he or she claims the privilege.

          § 1034. Privilege of clergy.Subject to Section 912, a member of the clergy, whether or not a party, has a privilege to refuse to disclose a penitential communication if he or she claims the privilege.

          • Still_On_Your_Side

            One more thing, the law clearly gives the penitent more rights than a priest. It specifies that the penitent has the right to prevent another from disclosing the communication, but it doesn’t give the priest that same right. The CoS ignores this, according to them, they have greater rights than Laura, and they will be harmed if she sees her own files. I am having a hard time finding any basis for their arguments, any of their arguments, and I think they are simply stalling for time. I hope the CA Supreme Court sees the church’s petition as a set of bad legal arguments, and denies the petition.

          • grundoon

            Per § 1030, it’s irrelevant whether the 259 people who are known to have read Laura’s folders were officially “ministers.” Clearly they were at least “religious practitioners or similar functionaries” who were “authorized or accustomed to hear those communications.”

            However, “under the discipline or tenets of his or her church,” did they have “a duty to keep those communications secret”? It can be shown that no such duty exists except under the Auditor’s Code. At the beginning of each “HCO confessional,” the “parishioner” is explicitly warned that the session will be outside any Auditor’s Code protection and there is no duty of confidentiality for those communications. Also, the Auditor’s Code does not apply to non-tech staff who access the folders. If any item in a folder was made available to a staff member with no duty of confidentiality, that item can no longer be considered to have been held in confidence by the Chruch, and cannot rightly be considered privileged anymore.

            Or so it seems to me. (IANAL)

            • aquaclara

              I hope Laura’s lawyer knows this as well as you do!

      • Bella Legosi

        Right on! I am thinking that a judge will have to consider the consequences should they decide in favor of Co$. In that case I really think this informal reply is a show of desperation on the part of Co$ and any seasoned judge can read/smell that a mile away……..or in this case 2 pages in.

      • aquaclara

        great analysis!

  • SciWatcher

    “An SP speaks in broad generalities. “They say…” for example. An SP spreads bad news and gossip, and any message he is asked to relay he’ll twist it negatively. An SP makes trouble for the people around him, and can cripple his friends or even drive them into mental institutions. An SP always blames the wrong people for what goes wrong. He can’t complete a project. An SP never accepts responsibility for things that go wrong, and will not lift a finger to help others.”

    So basically SP is just another term for “Scientologist”

    • FistOfXenu

      Yup. In fact it’s another term for LRH and DM. May as well throw TC in there too.

    • Vistaril

      L Ron Hubbard was the original SP.

  • 1subgenius

    “We’ll be interested to see further analysis of the image by experts.”

    Here’s one:

    Church of Scientology Photoshops an Image, Internet Catches It and Laughs: Here’s Why

    http://www.thephoblographer.com/2013/05/13/church-of-scientology-photoshops-an-image-internet-catches-it-and-laughs-heres-why/

    • stillgrace

      Thanks, 1subgenious!! Great find!
      “Church of Scientology has been caught with their pants down.”

      Late this afternoon, after dm wakes up, I picture him yelling to Lou “Look up “Glowing Edges Filter”!!! What does it say?!”

      • 1subgenius

        There were eyewitnesses for crying out loud.

      • Bella Legosi

        That site enturbulated me. I really had to refrain from cursing at my computer and slapping myself in the forehead!

        John P. once again strikes with the wise bolt of Zeus!

  • SciWatcher

    A question…one of the blogs that reported on Scientology’s photoshoppery (http://www.deathandtaxesmag.com/198580/scientologists-try-to-photoshop-themselves-some-friends-fail-miserably/ ) also said this: “Reportedly also in attendance was Miscavige’s girlfriend, Georgette Glass.” Anyone know who that is?

    • VickiStubing

      My friend Jan Brady had a (fake) boyfriend named George Glass. Any relation?

    • media_lush

      I noticed that, too. There’s a site that lists all courses passed by scientologists… name escapes me right now… maybe someone could check

      • noseinabk

        Quite a few Georgettes are listed but none with the last name Glass.

  • Artoo45

    You don’t need to be an expert to notice that the potted plants are gone and replaced by out of scale people with light coming from the wrong direction and low flying confetti that is nowhere else to be found in the event.

    • Bella Legosi

      Really makes you wonder if some mother’s put paint chips in their kids formula huh?

  • Captain Howdy

    “The Washington Times yesterday reported”

    Ha-Ha, good one. A “newspaper” created by the 2nd biggest cult in modern history and that is staffed by moonie teabaggers is helping out their fellow culties. How touching.

    • 1subgenius

      I ran across some Moonie fishing boats in Norfolk, VA.
      I guess they have quite an industry going.

      • Captain Howdy

        I thought maybe you were joking.

        “In the United States the church owns fishing and sea food interests. Among them are Master Marine, a shipbuilding and fishing company in Alabama; International Seafood of Kodiak, Alaska; and True World Foods, which runs a major portion of the sushi trade in the United States. In 2011 Master Marine opened a factory in Las Vegas, Nevada to manufacture a 27-foot pleasure boat designed by Moon.”

        They also own UPI. Scary.

        • 1subgenius

          They didn’t appreciate my advising their workers of their right to legal representation.
          Left a rather nasty voice mail about it.

        • grundoon

          If you eat sushi, you quite likely are adding to the riches of the Sun Myung Moon empire.

    • dbloch7986

      I started reading about the Moonies and I realized that there is more than one L Ron and more than one Miscavige in this world. That was disturbing. Especially to note the similarities .

      What a nightmare.

  • dwayners13

    I’m sure that as soon as the church is done creating a new, less incriminating file for Laura they will gladly hand it over. It shouldn’t take that long, as there are probably 10 Sea Org. members working day & night preparing a file that will show the church in a much more favourable manner.

    • 1subgenius

      There’s 250+ “ministers-in-training that could help out.

      • dwayners13

        It’s probably less than that, as 20% were probably declared SP’s &/or PTS, another 20% ‘saw the light & left” & half of the remaining M.I.Ts are confessing their crimes against Miscavige in the hole (which officially doesn’t exist). Plus, if you account for “Miscavige Math”, 250 scientologist really equals 25 (at most), for example the Idea Org. opening in Portland only attracted approximately 500 people (using Wog math & being very generous), however if you apply Miscavige math, you multiply that number by 5 & thus you get Scientology’s official claim that 2 500 people attended. The same principle is used when they claim there are millions of scientologist in the world. I could go on & on (ie., Sea Org. pay & number of hours in their work week) but you get point.

        • aquaclara

          Since I like to think I excel at COS math, I believe that for every “shoop out” blow out of certain numbers, there is an opposite “shoop in” of certain opposing stats.
          “Shoop in”
          259 = 2,590 viewing ministers, less deductions for STL (See the Light/left), declared SPs, etc.
          “Shoop out”
          2500 culties and guests= 250 culties and guests
          See how easy this is?! Even an SP can do it!

          • dwayners13

            By George I think you’ve got it! It’s applications are endless, for example using Miscavige Math, Davey-boy is 6 feet tall. Tomorrow we’ll cover “Miscavige Logic”, which will include such concepts as “If you build it, they will come” (the underlying premise for Ideal Orgs.) & “what’s true for you is what Miscavige says is what is true for you”, (the underlying premise for the denial of Xenu”).

  • As always, an interesting piece. I understand now, why a lot of ex’s say that this is the point where they generally feel the need to leave.

    • Ian

      I don’t blame them. I don’t see how you could live with someone who believed this. Unless you also were talking the talk.

      So how far into things would you hit this course, time-wise. Are you in for a month, or a year? I guess it varies, but ballpark?

      I ask because I assumed we were still talking early days, but your comment suggests it is longer.

  • dbloch7986

    I took the PTS/SP course as well and let me say, if you want a lesson in delusional paranoia, that is it. The entire course is nothing but inoculation against outside influences. Besides the “Data Series Evaluator’s Course”, I don’t think there is any other single course that is more insidious than the PTS/SP Course. It literally teaches you to fear the outside world and everyone in it. It teaches you that the only safe place is in the arms of Scientology.

    It is really, truly awful. This is the course where you learn the tone scale, read about homosexuals being the same as child molesters, and where you learn to attack, attack, attack. It also teaches you that you are the source of all of your problems and if you are “roller-coaster-ing” it is not the SP to blame (which it might seem like at first glance) but it is YOU who are to blame.

    According to the PTS/SP course the only way you can be adversely affected by a connection to a Suppressive Person is because of one of the following:

    -You have committed a crime against them

    -You have committed a crime in cahoots with them

    -You have committed a crime that they know about but are keeping secret for you

    -You have committed a crime that you are afraid they might find out about

    Naturally, the solution to being suppressed? Confess all of your crimes to the church so they can be used against you to extort you out of more money or to humiliate you and further reinforce your social and behavioral programming.

    It is yet another instance of blame the victim. So you see, even though Hubbard says, “You are sick and injured because you are connected to an SP.” It’s still your fault for having crimes (preferably sexy ones). If you had never done anything wrong you would never be victimized by a perpetrator…ever.

    The entire course is dedicated to teaching you two things:

    a) When the church labels someone an SP, you are supposed to view them as if they are Satan incarnate

    b) All of your life’s problems are your fault and yours alone; no one is responsible for inflicting harm on you because you have brought it upon yourself

    The part about ‘Confronting and Shattering’ is bullshit. ‘Confronting’ essentially means staring at someone (that 50 yard stare that scientologists have). ‘Shattering’ is basically turning around and walking away, or harassing them with cameras on your head and shirts that have a picture of their head on a squirrel’s body.

    All the course is designed to do is make you view the world as a vast conspiracy to destroy you and plunge you into eternal damnation followed by reminding you that Scientology is the way out of that damnation.

    • aquaclara

      Claire and Derek, thank you for sharing this. It’s awful. Worse than anything I could have imagined, and when it comes to this cult, I thought I had a pretty vivid imagination.
      I especially appreciate that your perspectives are untainted by the evil that is contained in the coursework.
      So maybe for once in our lives, it’s ok to FLUNK.
      Congratulations on your SP status! It might not have been welcome there, but as you know, we REVEL in this status here….

    • Bruce

      Not that I would ever want to do it, but I’d love to have Sci auditors try and intimidate me with my past, since I posted my entire semi-sordid history on a public website about 2 years ago. “What’s your angle now, monkey boys?” I must say, though, it was a very cleansing feeling telling a bunch of friends all of my misdeeds of the past. Sort of like a 12-step program. Plus, no one can ever hold anything over my head, ever again. The truth (real truth, not LRH truth) shall set you free (even if it hurts at first).

  • dbloch7986

    With regards to the PC Folder issue, I’m not completely sure if this would affect the decision, but it is true that in Scientology PCs are not allowed to look in their PC Folders. Almost anyone else is allowed to look in them except the PC himself. I have personally witnessed IAS salespeople, people who sell services, people who handle the business management of the organization and many more that had nothing to do with confessionals looking through those folders. Even the parents of children.

    However, the person who’s name is on the folder is not allowed to see what is inside.

    I’m not sure how that might affect the lawsuit, but the church is not lying when they say that (for once).

    • Ian

      Why? I mean “because they’re batshit insane” is a fine answer, but I mean why in their own logic would it work that way?

      • As long as you can’t remember exactly what you’ve told them, and don’t know how much connecting-the-dots they’ve done, you have to wonder “Did I really let them know THAT secret?” If you saw your folder, you might go “OK, so they know this bit of dirtiness and that, but I could deal with it”.

      • Johan

        A bit of speculation from my side – in auditing you are supposed to ‘clear’ or relieve whatever problems (engrams) you have by talking about past events, trauma etc, so my best guess is that they don’t want you to remember these past events because it may ‘re-stimulate’ ( scientology parlance) your problems (engrams)

        • Ian

          That makes sense (well, it doesn’t, but you know what I mean) thanks!

    • I recall being routed among several people at ASHO who read from my folder as I watched, and no less than three of them suddenly burst out laughing at something. Naturally, they all declined to tell me what was so funny. I was annoyed at being the butt of an inside joke that could not be shared with me.

  • Bella Legosi

    You know……..if Co$ has THIS much of a problem with priest-penitent privilege and insist on bending the rules to fit their “religion”, doesn’t it seem obvious to you guys that these documents actually document that scientology isn’t really a religion at all, but a second rate self help system developed by a con man and structured on fraud?

  • Bella Legosi

    Okay………so this reply just stated that Laura was herself “clergy” (last paragraph pg8). And since these documents are being requested by the priest AND penitent………shouldn’t they release them purely on the grounds that she herself was part of the “clergy”.

    Wow

    • 1subgenius

      Good point. So per their argument apparently each of the 250+ “ministers” have a veto on release.

  • Ian

    Thanks for the note of caution on the photos, Tony, that’s classy. I was surprised and impressed you’d note that. It would be good to see someone who really knows their stuff figure it out, rather than us well meaning amateurs!

    • John P.

      Ian, note that Tony did not retract his take that the photos were materially altered. He simply reported that the Washington Times published a denial from the cult about the alteration; he also didn’t provide any color on his belief that the cult raised any valid points in their denial. Reporting such things is indeed an important part of journalistic integrity. Of course, I don’t need to mention that denials from the cult have proven in the end to be worse than worthless; most are comically bad.

      In Global Capitalism HQ, we often have to make big decisions quickly on far too little information. We can’t get it right all the time; the goal is to be right more often than the next guy. But when we’re stuck trying to figure out in a very big hurry what’s going on when a stock starts moving aggressively in an unexpected direction for unexpected reasons, we have a gold standard for reasoning: Are there multiple independent lines of reasoning or argument that approximately converge on the same conclusion?

      In the case of the attendance at the event, there are multiple independent lines of reasoning that suggest that the cult is materially overstating the attendance at the event. All of them tend to suggest that attendance was in the range of 400-600 people. I think of the photographs as confirmation, not as primary evidence that the cult is lying.

      1) Photographs from multiple sources showing empty areas with no chairs set up, that were outside the perimeter of potted trees, were shown in cult-supplied photos and only in cult-supplied photos as being populated. No sources other than the cult showed audience members in these areas. Incidentally, photos from sources outside the cult appeared during the event and within minutes after its conclusion. I am not aware of any photos from the cult concerning the event that appeared until long after the event was over; the longer the time between taking a picture and publishing it, the greater the opportunity to retouch it digitally.

      2) Measuring the size of the area containing the audience suggests it is only large enough to hold a couple of hundred seats. Assume 6 square feet per person for theater-style seating. Measure the size of the audience area by Google maps, keying off the size of the cars in the overhead view (assume 16 feet). The area bounded by the rent-a-trees was approximately 50 x 80 feet, including both sidewalks; the Jumbotrons were set up near the curb and the curb on the opposite side was blocked off by trees in the back. So the net square footage for the primary seating area was approximately 35 x 80 feet, which would imply room for no more than 400 chairs. Suppose you accept the cult’s photos as true, then estimate the square footage of their larger area, you can’t possibly get to more than 600 seated people, and if you presume there were standees, the number can’t possibly be more than about 750. That, again, falls materially short of the cult’s 2,500 claim. Any time that you miss an estimate not by percentage points but by integer multiples of the truth, it’s not incompetence at the heart of the problem. Here, the cult is conservatively lying by 3x and more realistically by 5x or 6x.

      3) Look at the documents published a week before the event showing that the cult had 600 confirmed attendees after a long recruitment campaign to bring people in from not only the western US but also from the East Coast and even from Europe. Remember that many of the 300+ confirmed from Portland could have been from the Delphian boarding school an hour away, which has 250 students and probably well over 100 staff. It is unreasonable to believe that 100% of the confirmed attendees actually showed up. And even if that unlikely scenario took place (normally for events of this sort you assume half the people confirmed won’t show), it is extraordinarily unlikely that the cult could persuade 1,900 public to travel to Portland (especially when last-minute air fares are quite expensive) and that they could sign up that many people in only a week. Even if the cult bused in Sea Org, it is not clear that they have 1,900 people in LA that they could access. So checking attendance against the cult’s own internal projections it looks pretty clearly that they knew they were going to get about 400-500.

      Regarding relative cost of airfares: I had one of the Global Capitalism HQ interns look up nonstops from LAX-PDX, leaving early tomorrow morning and departing PDX for the return at 7pm tomorrow night. Cheapest fare: $650. Booking the same flights on the same day of the week a month from now is $222 round trip. And LAX-PDX is a competitive route, so the cost-differential on last-minute fares from many other places (Minneapolis, Salt Lake City, Ontario CA) will be dramatically higher. The number of staff who can afford the $222 air fare is minimal and the number of public who can afford $650 is pretty small too.

      These three different approaches to validating attendance are all completely independent of each other (they share no data, methodology or assumptions), and yet they triangulate nicely on a fairly narrow range of numbers. I am thus extremely confident that the non-cult number is far more accurate than the cult number.

      Finally, even if a specific suspect feature of the cult’s photos is proven to have been real (due, say, to a panoramic lens instead of shooping after the fact), there are a sufficient number of viable concerns over the accuracy of the photo that one disproven attack on the integrity of the picture does not mean that the picture is OK.

      • We can also add the embarrassing photo of the stack of folded chairs, approx. 200, as a plausible confirmation of the number of “confirmed” but “no-show” people. And then, there is the matter of the great lengths the CoS went to in order to try and prevent Wise Beard Man, or anyone else, getting independent video of the event– not just the rent-a-cops, but surrounding the site with hired trees (I never heard of such a thing before).

        • Ian

          The idea that you’d have a gala opening of a religious building serving a major metro area, and take huge steps to bar any member of the community attending is incredible to me. I’m only learning about the weird world of the CoS, but what little I have learned is a glorious self-parody of a legitimate organization!

          • 1subgenius

            Well said.

          • stillgrace

            Stick around, sweetie. There’s more to see!

      • Ian

        Thanks for the considered and detailed response. I suspect you think I disagree in ways that I don’t. I’ll respond FYI, but I’m conscious every time I respond I sound more like someone who is utterly desperate to be right, particularly as responses get longer and longer. But actually that’s not how I feel. I’m just not seeing what people are claiming to see, and I’m a sucker for puzzles.

        Re Preable: Tony definitely didn’t retract the claim – nor, I think, should he have done. I was genuinely impressed with the note he struck. And 100% agreed that it would take someone with real expertise to figure it out definitively. Kudos.

        1. Can you point me to a CoS photo showing an area outside the treeline with people in it? All the shots I can see either show the treeline, or are taken against it. None that I’ve seen (which may not be all) show people outside the tree line.

        2. I agree, I think it is absolutely uncontestable that there were nowhere near 2500 people there. I’ve resorted to counting heads in the CoS photos, and none of the CoS photos shows more than 400 people in, despite a couple of them showing all the tree-lines. You have to look carefully to count heads through the confetti, but if you do, the photos from the CoS back up the smaller number, not the CoS claim.

        3. This seems totally convincing to me. I agree, to the extent that I am familiar with these bits of evidence from this blog.

        Your last paragraph. I couldn’t agree more. I’m not saying the pictures are genuine, I just don’t think they are faked in the facile way everyone suggested initially. And even if they haven’t been edited beyond a bit of color-correction, there is no doubt in my mind that they were set up in such a way as to be maximally deceptive. I’ve seen similar tactics used in real estate brochures. Take a room with a 14mm lens, and it looks huge. Its a lie, plain and simple, even though technically the image hasn’t been shopped. Photographers lied with images from long before photoshop.

        Hope that makes clear what I was trying to say. And that I was genuine in thanking Tony for a note of caution. And a note is all that I think is warranted at this stage, for the ample reasons you suggest.

        • grundoon

          “1. Can you point me to a CoS photo showing an area outside the treeline
          with people in it? All the shots I can see either show the treeline, or
          are taken against it. None that I’ve seen (which may not be all) show
          people outside the tree line.”

          Slide 2 at http://www.scientology.org/david-miscavige/churchopenings/grand-opening-scientology-ideal-organization-portland.html is the one that has excited the most attention.

          • Ian

            Thanks. Look through the confetti on the right. You can see the tree line, you can see the crossing light *behind* the trees, indicating the tree line is level with the edge of the intersection, meaning the trees are in the same position as in the overhead shots. If you count heads, you get about 40 people to the right of the jumbotron, which is about the same as if you draw a line on Omnom’s photos (though one row of people is mostly hidden by the trees in his shots, so you have to infer based on the space). So this shot looks at first glance like a huge crowd on the right, but zoom in a bit, and it actually shows only a few dozen folks. That was the image that made me think it is camera trickery rather than photoshopping at work.

            • grundoon

              Look at the image on the Jumbotron. I couldn’t match anyone on the screen with anyone in the crowd or on stage. The trees just right of the stage aren’t present on the screen. The screen shows a sparser crowd and no balloons or confetti. I think the whole crowd might be photoshopped. Would be interesting to try to match up people in this image vs. the Hawkins and Bunker photos.

              Look at all the blocky pixelization above and below the trees blocking the street to the left. These occur because a lower resolution image was blown up and laid over the scene. In the distant background behind that, you can see that the camera has captured much finer details, although slightly out of focus, with no blockiness – therefore the original image had quite high resolution and the pixelization has to come from another image blown up too far and overlaid.

              It’s hard to tell what’s real and what’s not, but I think it is clear that the Chruch’s image has been altered.

            • Ian

              I can’t see any detail scale changes on the left. You can certainly see the blocky pixelation on the highlights on people’s hair, but bring it into a graphics package and turn of bilinear filtering and you’ll see all details are exactly 1px in size. And we can check for upres automatically anyway, with standard forensic image analysis tools. There are online places you can do this too. Image is clean for the normal tests for multiple merged images. There are simple tools to check for this stuff, so I’m very confident you’re seeing things there, regardless of what else might be edited.

              I have done the pixel by pixel people matching on this image and the Omnom image, and I can correlate about a dozen people in the right hand side of the image between both. There are perhaps 5 people who are conspicuously missing (but I’ve no idea on the timing of the images: I have a screenshot from the video of the exact same moment, but it is too low res to identify anyone). I’m very confident of the folks two rows back: grey haired guy in very light shirt, next to man with dark hair and wine-colored shirt next to woman in orange top with grey hair, big gap and poss change of row, man in red stripy top, shorter woman with black hair. That matches on both. So I’m pretty sure it is the same people off to the right. If anything is added down there, it is the back two rows of people, because they are hidden in Omnom’s image.

              The only person I’d expect to match on the stage is the woman with the pink dress, and there’s a pinkish/red splodge on roughly the correct location. The rest, you’d be unlikely to make out, I think. There may be a woman or two obscured by the woman in the grey dress on the end, who are giving that lighter lilac colored patch to the right of the podium on the screen. On stage you can see a short blond woman with a white shirt (only shoulder showing), that could match the short white figure on the screen. All that is far too blurry to make a *positive* match, but matches enough not to be an obvious problem.

              As for the crowd, the guy in blue holding up the camera could be one of two matching guys in the crowd, one of whom has a guy in white with a bald head on his right. So I think that’s okay. But again, it isn’t a positive match, just a consistency thing. At the resolution of the middle of the crowd, I’d not expect to match most folks, only those that drastically stand out.

              Keep looking in detail, I’d love if it you found a smoking gun. I’ve been trying, but I’ve not found it. If it is a photoshop it is a very good one: it doesn’t show up any of the usual artefacts when put through digital tools (which, in my experience are *very* difficult to fool, certainly well beyond my Photoshop foo), and I can’t see any obvious people discrepancies on close examination. The position of the balloons and confetti also seem to match one moment on the video. So if the right hand has been edited, it was a seriously attention to detail job.

  • Bella Legosi

    Louanne has officially made my shit list with her absolutely retarded comments!

    I think Little Boots was PISSED judging from the comments of these morons!
    http://www.thephoblographer.com/2013/05/13/church-of-scientology-photoshops-an-image-internet-catches-it-and-laughs-heres-why/

    • stillgrace

      Oh yeah! I imagine little davey short pants has one chapped butt today!

      • Bella Legosi

        I am guessing that there were new additions to either the Hole or RPF

  • noseinabk

    Huge OT:

    Just noticed the info at WWP in regards to Mark Plummer, a/k/a “Warrior. I did not remember seeing Tony’s note on this in April but it is referenced at the site:
    https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/warrior-needs-our-help-stat-please-spread-this-far-and-wide.108307/page-2

    Also the Go fund me for him: http://www.gofundme.com/Please-Help-Warrior

    Looks like the guy could use some help as he has helped so many.

  • Sandy

    I am so sorry to interrupt this fine blog, but I am just weepy and want to share my pride. My fine state of Minnesota has just passed into law the Marriage Equality Act! The govenor signed it outside the Capital in front of a huge crowd. I could not be prouder to live in this state right now!!!

    • Spackle Motion

      That’s great news. Thank goodness people are starting to see the light!

    • I sent a thank-you e-mail to Branden Petersen, the lone Republican vote in favor in the state senate, who spoke eloquently during the final reading (“if we are going to treat some people unequally, then we ought to have some reason why” was such a simple statement of the constitutional principle). It may hurt him politically: he is from Andover, a Twin Cities northern suburb which also produced the lady from the state house who said “My heart breaks for Minnesota” when it passed the house, and is part of Michelle Bachmann’s congressional district. So he deserve some special gratitude.

  • Ivan Mapother

    When confronting and shattering suppression, what species of conifer is the best to use? Or, is it best to just use crappy photoshopping?

  • The varied definitions about Suppressive Persons was bothersome to me. At the top of the LRH article on this was a list of characteristics of a Suppressive Person. I was fine with that. There really are a small number of truly evil people in the world – the Hitlers, Mansons, and the guy in Cleveland who kept the women in his house. And we’ve all known people who were just mean, petty & nasty to others. But than he ads people who disagree with Scientology. Wait a second – having the wrong opinion makes you one of the SPs? I couldn’t accept that. It’s like defining “child molester” as someone who molests children or drinks the wrong brand of soda. People guilty of a minor offense are lumped in with major offenders – very manipulative.

    Next, as we went into the 1980s it was apparent to all that being “declared an SP” was done after a careful evaluation of a person against LRH’s characteristics of SPs, but for political reasons or punishment, particularly for publically objecting to obviously crazy things going on at the time, like prices increasing 10% per month, the Finance Police or people you know are not suppressive being “declared” suppressive. According to LRH, a person is Suppressive or they’re not. How can you use the threat of declaration as a way to make people comply? This was done openly, and I was shocked that people seemed to accept it – even made excuses for it!

  • richelieu jr

    Absolutely incredible that you have to pay 1500 dollars to learn how to talk about he weather with people you don’t want to argue with…

    A great deal at any price, I tell you!

    Yet another example of anything that works in this cluster-*uck is either absolutely obvious or stolen from a real belief system…

    Next lesson: If you don’t like the food your wife makes, tell her is was great.

    Then for an additional 5k, I’ll teach you how not to tell your wife her butt looks b ig…

  • Mary_McConnell

    Claire and The Bunker: Thanks for the breakdown on the PTS/SP info. This will be very helpful to the Narconon victim loved ones who contact me, concerned about what is being taught at Narconon.

    I am concerned about the ramifications of California’s clergy-penitent law being deemed unconstitutional. Hope you have your various lawfag friends and sources lined up to give opinions, Tony. This is an important issue.

  • I totally agree with you on this one, CLAIRE: “Honestly I’ve found myself to be much more skilled at confronting and shattering suppression since leaving Scientology. But I think that’s only because I recovered my free will and my willingness to understand other views.”