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African Queen: The Man L. Ron Hubbard Thought He Was

Cecil_RhodesJon Atack is the author of A Piece of Blue Sky, one of the very best books on L. Ron Hubbard and Scientology. He now has a new edition of the book out, and on Saturdays he’s helping us sift through the legends, myths, and contested facts about Scientology that tend to get hashed and rehashed in books, articles, and especially on the Internet.

Jon, what were L. Ron Hubbard’s intentions regarding Rhodesia, the country today called Zimbabwe? Did he really think he had a chance of taking it over to begin his worldwide conquest of the planet?

JON: By the mid-1960s, Hubbard was desperate to find a “safe point” — a country that would accept him, and from which he could “invade the territory of SMERSH [the Russian intelligence agency, made famous in the James Bond novels], run it better, make tons of money in it, to purify the mental health field,” and “contact and make friends with and organize all minority groups until we have the biggest group on the planet. By … making friends with the biggest enemies of the West, we will be able to avert Fascism now taking over in the West,” as he explained in a directive ( Flag Order 1890, 26 March 1969, Confidential — Zones of Action).

This was a political objective, and it is very possible that Hubbard believed he could be voted into office in Rhodesia.

Hubbard had fled the US in the 1950s, afraid that he’d be charged with practicing medicine without a license. He was proudly “Anglo Saxon” and had only found a following in the English speaking countries. With the Anderson Enquiry in Victoria, Australia and the hardening attitude towards him in Britain, Hubbard looked to Africa.

An attempt to buy a piece of the Malawian government failed, so Hubbard went to Rhodesia — modern day Zimbabwe. Rhodesia was notorious for its rejection of British directives to give the vote to the black population and its declaration of independence, led by a small white clique, headed by Ian Smith. Rhodesia was in line with the apartheid policies of South Africa. Britain and the Commonwealth — still a powerful group of countries, including New Zealand, Australia, and Canada — had embargoed Rhodesia, refusing to supply or buy any goods. Rhodesia was unwelcome at the table of nations for its racist stance. Only a supply line from the sympathetic South Africa kept it functioning.

Hubbard was drawn to Rhodesia, because he believed himself to be the reincarnation of founder Cecil Rhodes (see above). He may not have known that Rhodes was most likely a homosexual.

Hubbard claimed that he set out for Rhodesia to find out if an “OT” could make it on his own. After Rhodesia refused to renew his visa, he told believers upon his return to England that he had discovered that in Rhodesia an OT could not survive on his own, and used this as a justification for forming the Sea Project, which degenerated into the Sea Organization (though Slave Organization would have been a more accurate title).

But Hubbard was not on his own in Rhodesia. He was accompanied by Morley Glasier, whom I had the good fortune to interview in the mid-1980s. Hubbard wanted to find out about the Rhodesian government, so he sent Glasier in to steal materials (does this sound familiar?). In 1967, in Ron’s Journal 67, Hubbard boasted that Mary Sue Hubbard was using former intelligence operatives to gather material on members of the “World Bank Conspiracy” — including not only press barons, but British Prime Minister Harold Wilson. Two years earlier, poor Morley Glasier was sent to prison in Rhodesia. This operation would be fleshed out by Hubbard in 1973, with Operation Snow White, which aimed to infiltrate 136 US government offices (Lawrence Wright rather overstates the success of this operation, but tens of thousands of documents were stolen from the IRS, the Justice Department and the Coast Guard, and Scientology gained access to FBI computers through a member who was in the police). The point of Snow White was to find discreditable material about government officials who had hindered Scientology, so that they could be blackmailed.

Hubbard had an eye for the main chance. There were repeated assertions that Scientology was about to “take the planet.” At an event in London, in 1981, Diana Hubbard claimed that we would “clear the planet” within the year. Hubbard expected a collapse of civilization, after which Scientology would take over. This is clearly stated in a 1980 Bulletin, where he said: “I want Scientologists to live through World War III.” Executives were told that they had only six months to stop WW III, by raising statistics (read “income”) by 5.4 times.

THE BUNKER: Recently, a reader asked us about something he spotted at a Church of Scientology website which claims that in 1960 Hubbard authored a “one man, one vote” constitution for “apartheid-shackled South Africa.”

According to Russell Miller’s Bare-Faced Messiah, Hubbard did write a “tentative constitution” for Rhodesia in May, 1966 which would give blacks the vote, but would actually keep whites in power. Miller indicates that this document was sent to Rhodesia’s leaders, but there’s no indication that it was ever really considered. We can’t remember any mention in the literature that Hubbard also attempted to influence South Africa’s constitution. Do you know of any such attempts?

JON: I have seen no evidence that Hubbard influenced either. He was a guest at Ian Smith’s parties in Rhodesia for a little while, but soon fell out of favour.

 
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JON ATACK BONUS VIDEO!

Look who got to go long on the Great Beast the other night…

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on April 20, 2013 at 07:00

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  • Sidney18511

    Nancy Many is on discovery ID now 7:00am.

  • FistOfXenu

    Gotta love the irony that Ron thought he was the reincarnation of somebody without knowing he was “probably” homosexual. Add that to his magic masturbation and well, wtf Ron?

    • richelieu jr

      You’re missing the point: They both had red hair!

      Ginger= Only likes minge-hair, doncha know!

      • FistOfXenu

        Thanks for making that clear for me richelieu. I was occupied by the idea that Hubbard made a big deal of punishing $cientologists for acting out his own homosexual tendencies. And also with how he claimed to be the reincarnation of somebody he didn’t know anything about. That all distracted me from the really important red hair thing. You’ve straightened me out.

  • FLUNK_101

    “I want Scientologists to live through World War III.”

    That’s why Scientologists are into niacin, right?
    I remember it being high on their list of “mystical must-haves.”
    They think that niacin empowers them … by protecting them from radiation … they believe that, by building up a tolerance to niacin, they become impervious to the harmful effects of radiation.
    I remember Hubbard even suggesting that, after a nuclear holocaust, only Scientologists would be up and about, still “operating.” (Similar, perhaps, to the way that only Scientologists can help out after a car accident?)

    You know, back in the 70’s, when I was “in,” (you knew this was coming), I was visiting with a Scientologist friend of mine. He was a good ol’ boy from West Texas, and he always had a jar of niacin within reach when we were hanging out. Once in a while, he’d pop some niacin pills to get a “niacin flush.”

    I googled niacin and “niacin flush”:

    Niacin can help you “naturally relax,” “get to sleep more rapidly at night,” and “reduce anxiety and depression.”

    “Yet another feature of niacin is that it dilates blood vessels and creates a sensation of warmth, called a “niacin flush.”

    (http://doctoryourself.com/niacin.html)

    My friend recorded an album which was an interesting mix of instrumental music and spoken word.
    He was an amazing photographer, as well.
    He was also a very supportive friend. Whenever he noticed an exceptionally talented person, he would tell them, “You should be makin’ a living at that!” (if they weren’t already)

    While he was still a Scientologist, CCLA (Celebrity Center Los Angeles) asked him to do some photography for them.
    They agreed upon a price.
    He did a great job.
    Only they never paid him. He stood his ground, fully expecting he’d get his money. The runaround they gave him eventually lead to his leaving the church.
    In the process of trying to get paid, he had a realization: the whole thing was a scam! He couldn’t believe how badly he’d been fooled, for so many years.
    He’d say, in his West Texas drawl, “LRH fooled a LOT of people, for a LONG time, for a LOT of bread!”
    He became a walking encyclopedia of suppressed rage.
    He told his wife he didn’t “belong on this planet.”
    Drinking heavily didn’t help …
    One evening he went outside, sat on the curb, and shot himself in the heart.

  • John P.

    The title of today’s column nearly ruined a high-resolution monitor and a keyboard due to a coffee explosion. Tony, that’s one of your best efforts ever!

    This episode in Rhodesia is one of the most bizarre in a whole string of bizarre incidents that certainly suggests Hubbard was either insane or just living in a bizarre fantasy world. It certainly bespeaks Hubbard’s arrogance: the idea that even with Scientology in its relative infancy, that he had distinguished himself as so utterly brilliant that governments would fall at his feet to name him king. Apparently, in his mind, all he had to do was show up and throw around a few ideas and within a week or two he’d seal the deal. So in Rhodesia, he arrives, meets a couple of people, and then announces that he’ll write a constitution for the country; apparently his main qualification for this was that Americans had written a pretty good constitution nearly two centuries before so naturally all Americans are imbued with the political brilliance to do it again in another country. It would be truly fascinating to get a copy of his Rhodesian constitution if it still exists.

    You didn’t mention what some others have pointed out: that Hubbard really got into the Cecil Rhodes role, spending time putting together the perfect costume. Either this was living out the fantasy a little bit to excess, or he was hoping by showing up in public like that to “restimulate an implant” of all the natives, just like he thought that the volcano on the cover of Dianutty would “restimulate” the genetically imprinted memories of Xenu and get people to buy the book. The picture of Hubbard in costume during this expedition was priceless.

    The arrogance to believe that people in less developed countries are stupid and therefore easily persuaded to have an American take over is just stunning. It goes so far beyond the stereotype of the “ugly American” tourist that it boggles the mind. I suspect that carving out a life in Rhodesia in the 1960s was brutally difficult, dangerous work. They had little to show for it the same way most American colonists in the early 18th century had little to show for their efforts beyond subsistence farming on a couple of acres. But poor results are not the same as being stupid. And when life is that hard, the natives had little time or patience for an obvious nut job like Hubbard.

    Despite getting shut down and thrown out of Rhodesia on short notice (“disposed of quietly and without sorrow” in cult jargon), Hubbard apparently continued the fantasy elsewhere. The Sea Org was the most obvious incarnation of Hubbard’s fantasy of being able to govern someplace and make it cult-friendly. Incidentally, the need to find a sympathetic government sort of tells you that the super powers that Scientologists are supposedly blessed with don’t work too well, if all that the culties manage to do is piss people off instead of persuading them.

    The “Bulgravia” project was another bizarre fantasy, almost as good as the Rhodesia trip. Hubbard thought that he would be able to roll up Yugoslavia, Bulgaria, Albania, and Greece into a single country governed by Scientologists; work on this continued after his death until at least 1992. Given that Yugoslavia fractured into six different warring countries on the collapse of Communism, the idea of putting that together with three other countries with starkly different ethnic, religious and linguistic traditions is utterly laughable. They’ve been fighting, perpetuating feuds and settling scores for thousands of years. And Hubbard must have been ignorant of all that. Again, he completely ignored the desperate struggle for survival in those places, the forbidding geographical constraints making economic development hard, and the clannish politics and came up with the notion that these places are backward because the natives are morons.

    Of course, the best takeover fantasy of all produced the “Song of Asia,” the poetic equivalent of the musical stylings in “Thank You for Listening.” That’s the one where Hubbard felt that he could just take over the Buddhists because he was Buddha in a past life. Apparently, his past life Buddha dictated that particular poetic magnum opus. He apparently never expected that the Buddhists might actually be smarter than they appear to an incurious, oafish American; I’m told by friends who have followed Tibetan Buddhism for decades that it sounds simple but it’s way harder than it looks. Years later, when it finally became clear to Miscavige and cult management that the Buddhists weren’t an optimal takeover target, the only religion the cult has managed to cut a deal with is the Nation of Islam, another failing loony-tunes flying saucer cult. How the mighty have fallen!

    Hubbard expected a collapse of civilization, after which Scientology would take over.

    So Elron was already thinking of the plot hooks that would become the just-released Tom Cruise movie Oblivious Oblivion. It just boggles the mind.

    • richelieu jr

      Lafayette Hubbard, the last colonialist!

      • Captain Howdy

        You forgot to capitalize COLON

    • richelieu jr

      “Bulgravia”! HE should have thrown Turkey in there too, he could have called it Turdurken-stan!

    • At least he realized he failed, per Wright’s book’s final page admission of Hubbard.

      And Hubbard’s now circling a distant star, which is a type of OT therapy, star circling that is, for great OTs who need some rehabilitating.

      Hubbard’s out there, zooming around that star, as we speak, doing his OT “running program.”

      He’ll be back, and our paths will all inevitably cross again (not), most likely up the road, on the other side of the Bridge.

      • Missionary Kid

        Thank goodness, he’ll never be back. The reincarnation theory was just another way to get people to buy into his fiction that he called $cientology. It’s the biggest con game in the world, IMO. You promise things in a future that noboby’s been to, and get people to conform in the present day.

        It was all a part of the con.

        • Bella Legosi

          Aside from the concept of Original Sin I am always wary of promises of the future yet unknown especially if I get the Salvation Salesmen vibe.

          • Missionary Kid

            Amen.

    • Observer

      I heard a story that a Rhodesian knocked on Hubbard’s door one day and was rather, er, surprised to find the Hub attempting to channel Cecil Rhodes through cross-dressing. It may be apocryphal, but I like to think it wasn’t. It’s certainly no more bizarre than other crap he pulled.

      edit: Again with the double pic post! I’m trying to edit but I don’t get a black X. My only option is to enlarge (I’m on a Mac using Safari).

      • i hate having to shave my chest and shoulders before i put on my summer dress…ladies …am i right ??

        • sugarplumfairy

          Dont forget your back.. That is the worst.. But always worth it.. I do love a sundress!

          • Still_On_Your_Side

            And it is sooo difficult to hide that Adam’s Apple!

            • Casabeca

              And the five o’ clock shadow ruins the carefully applied maquillage!

          • BuryTheNuts2

            For me it is the shoulder hair!
            So annoying!

            • sugarplumfairy

              Yah.. And hairy shoulders can RUIN a nice sundress..

      • sugarplumfairy

        He does look fetching..

        • richelieu jr

          Yes, he does!

          Here, L. Ron, fetch! (throws grenade, ducks!)

          • FistOfXenu

            Thanks richelieu. Saved me the trouble.

        • Captain Howdy

          I’ve seen much better looking she-males in the Tenderloin on numerous occasions.

          • sugarplumfairy

            I left my falsies… In San frannnnnncisco…

        • Poison Ivy

          Lipstick on those lips….ugh! Lisa Rinner would be afraid!

    • Captain Howdy

      Actually, from what I recall, Rhodesia was a pretty thriving modernized country by African standards, second only to South Africa in the 1960’s.It was known as “The Breadbasket of Africa”.

      • Missionary Kid

        The problem was, that “breadbasket” was accomplished on the backs of the non-whites.

        • Captain Howdy

          This is true but it really wasn’t my point. And Zimbabwe is even worse for everybody from what I’ve read and seen.

          • Missionary Kid

            Yup. Imagine the even worse house of horrors it would be today if LRH had had any influence. He was an evil opportunist, looking for some more rubes.

    • not to mention Will “I am not a Scientologist” Smith’s upcoming “After Earth”

    • Spackle Motion

      Hubbard’s only talent was his ability to spin a tall tale and webs of deceit. His stupidity obviously had no boundaries, and mixing his level of stupid with paranoia and malignant narcissism got us all where we are today.

      The selective memory of his really dumb acts is how Scientology survived over the last few decades (and why they fought so viciously to prevent books on the real Hubbard from being published), and it makes me wonder about the “missing” decades of another religious leader that I won’t really name here to prevent offending anyone. If those missing decades happened in the 20th Century, where better historical records were kept I wonder how things would have turned out for other religions.

    • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

      Yes, the Founder failed in Rhodesia and additionally failed at so many other things including punctuation.

      The only reason Scientology succeeded was due to the Theta force COB RTC David Miscavige generated when he assumed his present body on April 30, 1960. And yes. COB’s birthday is in ten days. Therefore, you are each expected to donate at least $1,000 to make this year very special for COB as he turns 53 and undergoes the very perilous beauty process of having his incisor teeth filed down to the critical “Cruise Dimension” of .185

      COB is very busy these days. Here we see him boarding his economical Cessna Mustang on his way to the new Ideal Interrogation Facility in Colombia:

      http://i1284.photobucket.com/albums/a563/OTVIIIisGrrr8/COB1_zpsde46ae04.png

      • Observer

        I sincerely hope CoB RTC will be holding his breath until he gets his birthday $1,000 from me.

        • sugarplumfairy

          I’d like to chip in on that withhold–er, gift, Observer..

        • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

          How can you not want to donate to Fleet Admiral Miscavige’s birthday?

          http://i1284.photobucket.com/albums/a563/OTVIIIisGrrr8/FADM12_zpsf0dedcfc.png

          • Observer

            *shrieks in terror and hides under bed*

          • Bella Legosi

            I will gladly give COB a golden brick, if and only if he can catch it with his teeth when I chuck it at him! 😉

      • Captain Howdy

        “on his way to the new Ideal Interrogation Facility in Colombia”

        COB has bought the School of the Americas?

        • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

          Well, a share in it for now.

          A negotiation is under way for a bigger facility in North Korea.

    • Bella Legosi

      ” I’m told by friends who have followed Tibetan Buddhism for decades that it sounds simple but it’s way harder than it looks.” I tried giving it a shot, but fail miserably at clearing the mind for meditation. I think not to think of anything and then that gets me thinking about thinking, so I stop and after about 30 seconds something will pop in my head. Its usually a scene to some movie I have seen a million times. So I have a chuckel and try again. After a few attempts I just quit!

      • Exterrier

        Watch only Battlefield Earth, and you will have great incentive to clear your head of movies, too. In fact, it was so unmemorable that you will draw a blank immediately. Buddhism will be in your grasp.

        • Bella Legosi

          lol I tried watching that a few weeks ago. I couldn’t make it halfway before I made the decision that the only way to watch it was in the form of Rifftrax and with some major bonghits! After the millionth “ratbrain” remark I shuddered and had to turn the madness off! lol if watching that helps me meditate then I am happy just being crazy lil me 😉

  • Observer

    “… he told believers upon his return to England that he had discovered that in Rhodesia an OT could not survive on his own …”

    Well, what’s the frigging point of wasting all that money and time to reach OT if the great Source, at OT level Eleventy-Billion, couldn’t do something so basic as survive without sycophants fawning over him? Gah!

    • FistOfXenu

      Observer, are you trying to make sense out of $cientology again? Silly rabbit!

      But while we’re asking questions how’s he surviving out there in Disembodied Thetanlandia? It’s not like a quick sun bathing trip to the Van Allen belt. He’s got to stay there a while and finish all that disembodied research 1st. If he couldn’t even manage Rhodesia, Disembodied Thetanlandia must be hell.

      Hubbard in hell. Now there’s a happy thought for a saturday.

      • Observer

        Yeah, I know. I can’t help being annoyed by stupid stuff like that, even when I know it’s futile to question it. That’s why Mr. Observer calls me Spock.

  • Good God Hubbard was completely and utterly mad!
    How could anyone fall for his insane blatherings??
    Oh wait….
    Damm!

    • Observer

      Yeah, but you threw off the conditioning and got out. I think that’s harder than not getting sucked in in the first place. Props!

    • Ms. B. Haven

      “How could anyone fall for his insane blatherings??”

      Question of a lifetime! I would probably be a lot better off if I just quit asking myself that one and got on with it. But, maybe instead I will just continue my meager efforts as a critic hoping that others won’t have to torment themselves with that question.

    • BuryTheNuts2

      I wish I could match the current amount of likes, and raise them by same!

    • LOL. Yeah. Cringe.

  • BosonStark

    Other than maybe the sex with women with gonorrhea part, the best thing that can be said about the o.T.o. is that it isn’t Scientology, so best wishes Peaches, with your latest social betterment effort. But, do they have “all the answers,” like the Sciloons?

    • richelieu jr

      Hey, I’m all for free sex, and I found reading oTo stuff an interesting mirror held up to mystery school and cultural esoteric archetypes. Plus, ‘The whole of the law is do what you wilt’, whilst being a bit too Libertarian for me (the Republican law being ‘The whole of the law is do what thou wilt to the poor, but only if you are rich’…

      I prefer the Wiccan variety ‘do what thou wilt, but harm none’, though i pretty much agree that “Ism isn’t it”.. I don’t want what any Guru has to sell me, especially if it is my own freedom. I won’t even take real salvation if I ahve to bend over to take it…

    • richelieu jr

      Excuse me ‘French sex’ with women with Gonnorhea?!!!

      Why please? Is it because Atack said he had a ‘penchant’ for it, and that word comes from French?

      I am now off to have “BosonStark” sex with children and babies… Don’t mind me.. Carry on!

    • i-Betty

      Hehe, I think you’ll find that here in the UK, where Peaches goes, the rest of us run as fast as we can in the opposite direction! She’s seen as a total flake here 🙂

  • sugarplumfairy

    At the risk of sounding shallow, I could listen to Jon’s beautiful voice all day long.. I mean, wow.. Even the phrase ‘he (Crowley) had a particular penchant for women with gonorrhea’ doesn’t sound so bad when Jon says it.. Btw.. Did he really say that?

    • Captain Howdy

      After a quick perusal of the webs I can find nothing concerning Crowley and a gonorrhea fetish.

      • sugarplumfairy

        Lol.. I draw the line at googling gonorrhea..

        • richelieu jr

          Well, if you Google safely you won’t get it!

          • FistOfXenu

            What, put a condom on your computer?

      • FistOfXenu

        Captain, a VERY quick look around gave me this
        http://allpoetry.com/poem/8517411-Leah_Sublime-by-Aleister__Crowley

        WARNING: NSFW!!! Really, it’s Not Safe For Work. And probably a lot of other people won’t like it much either. But I think it makes the point that Crowley had a fetish about a lot of things that many people aren’t attracted to including gonorrhea.

        Now excuse me, I need to scrub my eyes and mind.

        • Captain Howdy

          LoL The Marquis would be proud! But I’m guessing just like de Sade, Crowley’s imagination was way more perverted than his real existence.

          • FistOfXenu

            Somebody I knew that read parts of his diary think he maybe really did that stuff.

            • Captain Howdy

              Well, guys do drink piss and eat shit, that’s not uncommon, especially in D.C and on Wall St.

            • FistOfXenu

              So basically, most politicians and investor types? A little harsh maybe? 😛

        • Casabeca

          Now I have logorrhea in my eyes!

          • FistOfXenu

            Sorry but I did warn everybody. Maybe I should’ve been more definite. But I did want to answer Captain and SPF with the best evidence I found.

    • Still_On_Your_Side

      Yes, very David Niven’ish

  • richelieu jr

    I must admit I found exploration of this geopolitical chicanery a bit lightly explored in Wright’s book, but indeed also in Mr Atack’s and in Bare-Faced Hot Mess as well…

    This would seem to me t be very rich vein of exploration. I suspect it has been left a bit fallow because it is more difficult to research (not to mention more expensive) and may appear to be a less-pressing concern. But is there any real proof that $cientology has dropped their attempt to influence politics (at home and abroad) for good? TC certainly does seem to be a sort of ‘Good Will Ambassador at Large (ironic, that, given his height)’ for the church in foreign lands, but is this truly only for the expansion of what they see as ‘religious freedom’?

    Certianly Germany and France do not seem to believe so…

    • BosonStark

      There’s a reason it was “lightly explored.” Although based on more reality — in spite of verification of the exact dates by the e-meter — than Hubbard’s trips to Venus and Mars, Hubbard’s takeover of Rhodesia was similar to his galactic exploration in that it was mostly in his head.

      It was more doable than his plans for total planetary domination, but went only as a far as a little dress-up, and a few conversations with locals who could tolerate listening to him. Hillary Clinton probably came closer to taking over Africa than Hubbard.

      Anyway, the seven seas were safe for a while, as the Sea Org held dominion over the waters, and then Tom Cruise would buy into this cockamamie, and the rest is history. The Nutterpedia is currently the most read biographical encyclopedia in Africa, and they’re probably working on a Great Pyramid of Dianutty in an Org there.

      • richelieu jr

        Oh I don’t mean because I think it had a snowball’s chance of success, I simply mean because it illustrates his mindset and intentions at the time;

        As i we basically have a couple of people who say Hubbard sent them to cocktail parties,a s I recall. I would like to see documents, and heard testimony for witnesses/participants on both sides…

        I don’t believe in Xenu and the Galactic Empire, either but we have recordings of Hubbard himself talking about them, documents written in his won hand, sworn testimony from high-level Scilons, etc… For Operation Snow White, we have all of the above, plus court testimony..

        Why is his African (and North African folly an less worthy?

        • BosonStark

          Oh come on! It’s less worthy (than the Xenu story, for example), because it isn’t sold as an integral sacred mystery in the Bridge to Total Xenu.

          It’s not as if everything Hubbard did, fantasized about, said, or wrote is of equal “historical” importance. He was a loon, and his entire life was a string of such cockamamie BS. It doesn’t mean we shouldn’t strive to figure out how Scientology became what it is, using clues, it’s just that detailing their historicity is impossible.

          I knew that fairly early on when I was reading an account of a former member — an early follower of Dianutty — who chronicled Hubbard’s various lies in interaction with him, but then then this person claimed that a guy he knew really did grow a 3rd set of teeth from the power of Dianutty. He was sure about that.

  • 10oriocookies

    Hubbard was insane. I can see him dancing in front of a mirror naked with his package tucked under like Buffalo Bill in Silence of the Lambs. He looks at himself all serious with the wig and lipstick on and says “I’d audit me.”
    que music “Im crying crying crying over yoooooou.”

    • sugarplumfairy

      Lol.. You’ve ruined Roy Orbison for me..

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      That’s no image to start the day with……thx cookie man.

    • John P.

      Actually, given what Hubbard wrote in the “Affirmations,” it would have been very challenging for him to tuck his package under, what with the excessively dangling ‘nads (due to excess masturbation) and all.

      • dangling ‘nads ~

        now there is something you don’t hear John P say every day 😉

        • Observer

          Thank goodness!

        • John P.

          Don’t forget: I hang out with traders all day, every day. They’re pigs beyond any sort of pigs those of you who live in the real world might hang out with. Construction guys, fighter pilots, firemen, surgeons: all amateurs at being gross, chauvinistic, politically incorrect or any other sort of frat boy behavior compared to Wall Street traders. Most of the time I manage to be genteel but occasionally stuff leaks through.

          • well …i for one am shocked ! next ..you will tell me they all snort coke or something 😉

            • Captain Howdy

              And slaughter people with axes while listening to Steely Dan.

          • sugarplumfairy

            You obviously never attended a catholic girls high school..

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              SssssssssMack!

            • sugarplumfairy

              lol.. you too? there is no one with a cruder vocabulary than a catholic high school girl..

            • Bella Legosi

              Like oh my gawd! AS IF lol

          • Bella Legosi

            Type A personaltys? Hate to see them on good cocaine. Prolly cant get a word in edgewise!

      • Observer

        Well, there goes my appetite for the next ten years.

      • richelieu jr

        I HATE how masturbating makes my nads dangle, don’t you?

      • richelieu jr

        Weren’t ‘dangling nads’ what caused all the trouble in the Florida recount in 2000?

        There are an awful lot of them down there.

        (Old NYC Jews retiring, mostly… Nice folks…)

      • 10oriocookies

        OT IX- Ability to tuck package at will, including bater balls.
        OT X- Fully, stably exterior while dancing in drag

        • sugarplumfairy

          giggles.. he said bater balls..

          • Bella Legosi

            My gawd I love the Bunker. Just when I think I will put this down and go to sleep I read this.. you crack me up Eric and SPF

      • Sokramor

        I think you just gave me an engram – just as I was about to have dinner. But maybe I can keep this one, in case I someday want to go on a diet. I can call it the “L. Ron Hubbarf Diet”!

        • FistOfXenu

          Just remember to OD on vitamins. And smoke like you want lung cancer.

      • Vistaril

        excessively dangling ‘nads (due to excess masturbation)

        Dude . . . you weren’t kidding!! That sure is a metric shit ton of fapping. RESPECT!

        (EDIT: Just struck me. When did Hubbard try out his “Messiah Project”, the one that got Nancy Many into trouble . . . around about 1974?)

        • Captain Howdy

          Oh my Xenu! Elephant Man ‘nads

          • FistOfXenu

            He’s got a new independent life form growing between his legs.

        • Bella Legosi

          My gawd Hubbard is so full of his own shit! Is that really supposedto be him AHEAD of Buddah on the Bridge?! REALLY? I am enturbulated now. I have heard of Scientology espouseing those beliefs but goddamn never seen a visual comfirmation of it.

          • Vistaril

            Oh, but wait . . . there’s more.

            • Vistaril

              . . . lots more.

            • Bella Legosi

              Please do share! I have been wanting to show some peeps in visual format Hub really thought his “religion” surpassed all others. Scientology attempts to say “You can be Cristian, Jew, Moslem, and be Scientologist.” Which when I heard that years ago I called B S!

      • Poison Ivy

        Oh God. Not THAT image, please!!

    • i-Betty

      Horrifyingly funny!

    • Captain Howdy

      Uh..thanks. That was precious. “It disconnects from it’s kin or it gets the cans again”

      • richelieu jr

        Ha! Wonderful!

      • 10oriocookies

        “Put the lotion in the Basket!!!!!” says the auditor.

    • Bella Legosi

      lol great visualization you gave me ! I was rocking out to “Goodbye Horses” when I got up this morning!

    • aquaclara

      Adding my snorts and chuckles to those of everyone one else here. Love the music.

  • Midwest Mom

    Late last night, I awoke (after falling asleep with the TV on) to see an entertainment show called “Extra” devoting a segment to John Travolta and Kelly Preston and their charity for fire fighters to “rid their bodies with toxins” with a detox program, created by L. Ron Hubbard. There was even a photo of Hubbs shown in the segment, while the reporter touted its so-called “benefits”.

    The Travolta’s were shown at a Las Vegas gathering promoting the schlock and posing with a fireman, and the reporter gushed during the interview segment and sang along to a song from Grease with John. She also spoke about the Travolta’s “strong 21 year marriage”.

    This was obviously a P.R. piece set up to promote the Travolta’s Co$ recruitment feeder, but it made me ill to see that the producers of “Extra” were willingly promoting this bunk.

    We still have to keep reminding the media about the fraudulent and dangerous practices of Hubbard. His name needs to be recognized as the louse and fraud that he was, not as the myth that the Co$ promotes. This blog is such a fantastic resource to refer others to find out the truth regarding Hubbard, Dianetics, The Cult of $cientology, Narconon and similar rehab programs, and the additional Co$ front groups. Thanks for all of the work you do, Tony, and thanks for providing this very informative and vital source of organized material for the public to access.

    • sugarplumfairy

      Aaaagghh!

      • Midwest Mom

        Travolta was wearing the wig made from melted crayons.

        • sugarplumfairy

          He has to know hundreds of hairstylists.. You’d think at least one of them would tell him..

          • richelieu jr

            Knows hundreds of hairstylists? What exaclty are you implying SPF?

            • sugarplumfairy

              He’s an actor.. Not that there’s anything wrong with that.. =)

      • Captain Howdy

        Were you Charlie Brown in a past life?

        • sugarplumfairy

          maybe Lucy.. smack..

          • Captain Howdy

            Ron said gender was meaningless…ack

            • sugarplumfairy

              Probably one of the deep-seated reasons for his all his psychoses.. gender is everything..

            • FistOfXenu

              Maybe to him it was. I think he was confused about what he was.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Conflicted much!

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            I was Just trying to describe sugarplumfairy to my husband last night…I was stumped and then I remembered the perfect reference…my hubby falls down laughing at just the mention…

            http://youtu.be/BRQMlXh4f-M

            • Captain Howdy

              That’s a bingo!

            • sugarplumfairy

              Yes! I love it!

            • Captain Howdy

              This is how I visualize BTN

              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4W0qUaM9xQ

            • sugarplumfairy

              Lol.. Carol Kane gets around..

            • Bella Legosi

              lol I love you Honey Bunny!

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      That las vegas piece is several years old, and the best trash Miscavige could find in his garbage. He’s been using it wherever he can peddle it. This is his best counter to the tsunami of deadly Narconon coverage?

    • Bella Legosi

      Louse…..what a fantastic and fitting thing to call Hub!

      • Missionary Kid

        IMHO, that’s elevating him too much.

  • Flag Order 1890, 26 March 1969, Confidential — Zones of Action by L. Ron Hubbard is certainly a good look at L. Ron Hubbard’s grandiose mind blend of jovial paranoia and serious megalomania that his Sea Org (Scientology’s clergy of lifetime staffers, think nuns and monks allowed to marry, and who mostly do administrative duties holding the whole top echelons of the Scientology church bureaucracies together).

    But Hubbard’s full writings, contain so much of his ever evolving mental state, to the end of his life.

    I’ve read a huge boatload of all of Hubbard’s writings, including material that Jon’s not sunk his teeth info, I only wish Jon would have access and the time to sink his mind into all the final writings of Hubbard.

    A chronological data base of all of Hubbard’s output, ought be made public.

    Before all the great Hubbard/Scientology nerds die, I urge them to cooperate putting such a chronological data base together.

    When I worked in the INCOMM Computer Rooms both the LA and Int Base computer rooms, we had the tape backups of most of the Hubbard corpus, and were any of us computer room operations officers of the mindset, we could have defected and taken a set of tapes with the Hubbard corpus, and leaked them.

    I still hope a future INCOMM computer person someday does just that.

    Any INCOMM staff with access to the SIR (Source Information Retrieval) computer data bases, Wikileaks needs some additions!

    Hubbard’s despatch traffic to Author Services Inc, isn’t within the church computer operations officers’ control though, and would need to be leaked by the ASI computer person.

    Ditto the CST (archives) computer person, who ought leak the CST computer archives!

    Or else, Scientology make the whole chronological output of Hubbard fully available publicly! That will not happen for a while, but that really should be someday done.

    Chuck Beatty
    Ex-Sea Org (lifetime staffer, 1975-2003)
    Flag Dec 1975-Jun 1983 (TTC, Sup, Word Clearer, D of T, etc.)
    Int Base 1983-1984 (Routing Forms Pjt)
    Snr HCO Int in the FB in LA 1984-87
    Course Supervisor Re-Training (Int and LA) 87-88
    Int Training Org, LA 88 (Sec Checker Sup)
    LRH Tech Research and Comps Trainee,, CMO Int, (Sept 88-Feb 89)
    Int RPF (Feb-Mar 89)
    PAC RPF (Mar-May 89)
    Int Training Org (May-Sept 89) (Admin Sup)
    INCOMM Sep 89-Sept 90 (Routing Forms Pjt)
    INCOMM Sept 90-May92 (Computer Room LA & Int)
    ASI May 92-Dec95 (Computer Room, In-Training Esto)
    Decks Int (Dec 95-Jun 96)
    Int RPF Happy Valley (Jun 96-Nov 2000)
    PAC RPF (Nov 2000-Mar2003)
    Routed out March 29, 2003.
    chuckbeatty77(at)aol.com

    866-XSEAORG free advice re Sea Org

    • richelieu jr

      Well, some of them are allowed to marry, but not at Gold and Hemet, apparently (see last week’s columns)

  • An early HCOB about the Purification Rundown raises the “interesting possibility” that only Scientologists would be operating after World War III (due to their magical immunity to radiation sickness supposedly provided by the Purif). I recall a magazine or newspaper article from the 1970s talking about an assumption SO or staff had that eventually the whole world would be put under the (Organizational) Board. This was confirmed to me when the Bill Robertson video posted to this blog a few weeks ago showed the Captain holding up an Org Board he said would represent all of society’s activities.
    Frankly, talk like that gave me the creeps, having read George Orwell and being fascinated to this day by stories of life in the Sea Org and uncannily similar descriptions of life in North Korea, Maoist China the former Soviet Union.
    To former SO and Staff, what visions do you recall, both formal (as envisioned by Source) or informal, (circulating within the Scientology/SO culture) of a future where the whole world is brought under the Board?

    • Truthiwant

      Hubbard was dangerously crazy. He knew what he was doing and his intention was to control
      whole groups and, if possible, countries.

      David Miscavige is also dangerous but he is pathetic compared to Hubbard.

      Here is something that I wrote having done a bit of research in to the E-Meter, if anybody is interested.

      You can also get it here

      http://wp.me/s3a0JR-85

      Apart from the pressure put on an individual by the Organization to ‘go up the
      Bridge’ there is also scientific and medical proof that the E-meter has an
      addictive effect on the individual.

      We all know that the E-Meter produces a very small electrical current that runs
      through one’s body when being audited but there is compelling evidence that it
      is not true that the E-Meter alone does not do anything. On the contrary,
      sending a small DC (Direct Current) voltage through an individual’s body causes
      the release of Peptides, which are compounds formed from two or more amino
      acids linking together. One particular group of peptides are called Endorphins
      (From the Greek word endo meaning “within” and morphine, from Morpheus, the god
      of sleep in Greek mythology). These Endophins have a pain killing effect when
      they bind together as a molecule known as a receptor on the surface of a human
      cell.

      Morphine and heroin are known to be the most effective and addictive pain
      killers to man and interestingly, when taken, they create the same effect as an
      individual’s own endorphin. A small electrical current like that of the E-meter
      generates the release of endorphins in the body. This produces a sort of pain
      killing effect that usually coincides with the ‘End Phenomena’ of an auditing
      cycle. This state of euphoria would be consistent with the ‘drugged sense’ of
      the endorphins pain killing effect and hence the ‘feel good’’ sensation. This,
      along with the mind contolling actions of auditing weigh up to a very powerful
      method of brain washing.

      When the pain killing effect of morphine wears off there is a sinking effect
      shortly afterwards where the individual feels ‘low’, and again this is
      consistent with what happens shortly after an auditing cycle. Of course there
      are also the addictive properties of morphine and it could be said that the
      need to ‘have more auditing’ is because of the addiction to the small electrical
      current from the E-Meter running through the body and producing endorphins. A
      person that is doing the upper OT levels and is getting literally hundreds of
      hours of auditing in short periods of time would certainly be very susceptible
      to this addiction.

      • The euphoric many people get from religion is an interesting phenomena. Scientologists call it “release” but I don’t think it is caused by electricity from the meter, as other religions have it too by different names. Some Christians called it “being filled by the Holy Spirit.” Mormons call it “burning in the bosom.” The feeling is real, but what it is and why it is triggered is less clear. I can feel it when in places like Yosemite or Big Sur, but for me its not connected to any belief system. But why? Is it something about the effects of certain aesthetics on the human nervous system? The architecture of churches, cathedrals, temples and mosques seems designed to trigger it, as when it happens people can become quite convinced of whatever explanation they have for it.

        • Truthiwant

          The ‘electrical drug effect’ is by no ways the only reason for euphoria. It is a mixture of many factors and certainly the feeling as a Scientologist that you are doing something important and your auditing is changing the world.

        • BosonStark

          Or just stepping into an Org, triggers it for some clams. It’s an “oasis of sanity,” you know?

        • Spackle Motion

          The euphoria isn’t really a phenomena, in my opinion.

          From what I’ve read, reliving a painful moment repeatedly (for long periods of time) and consciously reliving that moment of pain will definitely give someone a feeling of release once that trance is broken. Finding someone’s ruin is what the Scientologists are trained to find, and once they find it, they exploit it and use it in hypnotic sessions to which the victim is told to relive a specific painful moment over, and over, and over, and over until the abuser tells them to stop.

          That’s like continuously sticking a burning hot poker into a healing wound for long periods of time. Once you stop, of course you are going to have a feeling of release.

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            This is where ESMB shines among forums. There are so many informational threads that educate on this subject over there. It is THE KrazyGlue that keeps scientologists from leaving …fully. That last layer of the onion peel is the hardest. I even had to delve into the subject, though I’d long been off this drug. I learned all about cognitive dissonance, about false memories, placebo effect and wrong assignment or causation and much more. Damn, I wish I’d taken college courses on this subject.

            In addition, I looked back and realized something else that someone mentioned that was true … you get your first “highs” in scientology early on, and then you are forever chasing it, but they are few and far between and never as good as the first ones. Doh! In the beginning, you are love bombed to death. Got some crazy ideas? That’s because you are a misunderstood genius! Feel guilty about anything? It’s because you were attached to an SP invalidating your Important Goals and pressuring you to do bad things.

            You want to talk to someone about your problems and your friends are too bored to listen for more than 10 minutes? Scientologists will listen for hours (while they check your credit rating and network connections). Ethics are non existent or very mild and everything is streamlined, custom made to make you happy as a clam! Eventually you wind up being whale poop, useless, criminal, unworthy and in imminent and dire need of auditing before you collapse. What a scam.

      • richelieu jr

        I haven’t read your paper but I am skeptical of this- Have there been any blood tests done? EKGs or Scans to show which parts of the brain are stimulated?

        I do not doubt that endorphins are similar to morphine which is similar to heroin (in fact, they are the same drug, pretty much, at different levels of refinement), but that is akin to saying that because firecracker and an atom bomb are both explosives that they therefore are equivalent in their effect…
        There are some logical leaps I see in this summary (again, I’ve not read the whole thing) which I find troubling. You spent more time speaking of the etymology of ‘endorphin’ than of any evidence e-metres create them.

        It will take a lot for me to believe that the worst thing about an e-metre isn’t the philosophy attached.

        • Truthiwant

          There are many electrical stimulants on the market, for instance to cure back pain and you can buy them all over the place. Many are recommended by doctors and yes, they do work because of what I described.with the endorphins. This is known. The E-meter works on the same principle but I, in all honesty cannot prove this as I am not an expert. It’s interesting, though.

          • Poison Ivy

            I had an ulnar nerve operation in the ’90’s (entrapped nerve between my elbow and wrist from repetitive motion – typing on computer keyboard). It was pretty serious – they had to scrape the nerve away from the bone, and it being a nerve, you can imagine the pain I was in when I woke up. But two days later I had to go to a job that was on the other side of the world, a 16 hour plane ride away. Also, I had to be working in a fairly dangerous situation and could not afford to be woozy on pain killers. So they gave me a TENS box that was plugged into electrodes on my arm and I’d dial up the electrical sensation when I started to feel the pain. The way they explained it to me was, the electrical stimulus interrupted the pain signal between the nerve “on location” and the brain and thus the brain was fooled into not feeling pain (or less pain, in my case.) It was a pain to lug around but it worked beatifully and I didn’t have to take pain killers.

            • DeElizabethan

              I can vouch for those things working. Had a little some time ago. Glad it helped you

        • richelieu jr

          Well, even these are controversial and the ones my kine uses with me cause a great deal of pain, so it is not surprising they open the pain-killer ducts in the human body. But an electrical pulse too slight to even be felt? Colour me skeptical.

        • Captain Howdy

          Heroin is synthesized from morphine base and the brain coverts it back into morphine. The difference being heroin has a extra molecule that enables it to cross the blood-brain barrier more quickly in order to bind with the endorphin receptors thus making it 3x more potent and longer lasting. Fentanyl is a 100x stronger than morphine.

          • richelieu jr

            Quite! Take it from someone who has been on Fentanyl (Durogesic) for 8 years now!

            • Captain Howdy

              Oy veh! As much as I enjoy sucking on the occasional fentanyl patch, that and methadone are the last things I would ever want to become dependent on. I’ve seen methadone withdrawal up close and it made heroin withdrawal look like a minor cold. I remember you saying something about a car accident. I’m in constant pain because of my feet and legs, but they won’t give me shit because of my history. Doctors in the U.S are terrified to prescribe pain meds.

            • Bella Legosi

              Please do stay away from the dones. It is a horrid horrid withdrawl. I have been thru it twice, cold turkey. For a time Oregon had a really high recreational rate and overdose rate with methadone. Our Attorney General subpenaed the CEO or CFOs of the four major drug company’s and asked them why their drugs ended up on the black market. Or Prescription Monitoring program went online in 2011 as well as making it mandatory for docs who prescribe even Oxy to take classes on addiction. I have to say the black market dried up quick! As much as I like my Opies, that is a good thing.

            • Captain Howdy

              I’ve kicked dope cold turkey numerous times in the past as opposed to getting on methadone maintenance. No thanks. It’s good for the occasional buzz, but that’s it. and anyway..DRUGS ARE BAD OK

            • Bella Legosi

              lol I agree with ya on that count. I have had to help a couple of people go thru the withdrawal monster and the dones are the worst. I wouldn’t recommend going the methadone route unless you come to terms that you will have to take it the rest of your life and suffer from the side effects of the drug (bone density loss). Its a two way street. I have seen people function very well with it and I have seen people who could not. I have had to actively just say no when it comes around, cuz I have quite the addictive personality and when I am on that stuff, believe it or not, I clean like a mofo and write the weirdest fan fiction (Supernatural, yes I am a dork and NO I will not write about WinSecst! lol)

              *Methadone has a nick name around the clinics, Liquid Handcuffs. I believe that is the most fitting name for it.

            • Captain Howdy

              First thing a junkie does after they get off……start cleaning the house like a whirling dervish! LoL

            • Bella Legosi

              LOL and all this time I thought I was a unique snowflake 😛

            • Captain Howdy

              Every one of the tribe does the same from what i’ve seen and i’ve seen a lot.

            • Spackle Motion

              Some junkies actually clean their houses like whirling dervishes when they are high. And I’m talking about meth junkies.

              One of the funniest public service announcement “posters” I ever saw was in a San Francisco subway station, and it was a huge portrait picture of a young (and very attractive) man. The message on the poster was, “Meth ruined my life. It cost me my friends, family, and job.”

              Then some smart ass scribbled in black marker, “BUT I HAD A REALLY CLEAN HOUSE.”

            • sugarplumfairy

              I’m sooo proud.. my li’l Cap’n is growing up.. Have you tried Ben gay patches? Ben gay may have been round forever, but I’ve talked to patients (who don’t want to take anything stronger) who swear by it.. especially when used while taking ibuprofen..

            • Casabeca

              Major, major props to you! I hope you get some real relief.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Just read this, cap. What’s up w/feet and legs? That sounds horrible that you can’t get relief.

            • Captain Howdy

              I have extreme flat feet so it’s always been painful to walk and I’ve developed arthritis in my legs also. But it could always be worse, couldn’t it? If I knew I was going to live this long I would have tried even harder not to. : )

            • Poison Ivy

              Sorry to hear, Captain. Do orthotics help at all?

            • Casabeca

              So sorry you are suffering, captain. I am about your vintage. When my son took emt class he told me all the ways folks abuse the f patch. Sucking, blow dryers, heating pads and more unmentionable. Not being an addictive type, I lack the creativity.

            • Casabeca

              Me too, rj. Does not produce any euphoria, not even that much pain relief. But if you forget to put a new one on, hell to pay.
              I have halved my dose, trying to get off 100% this yr. 8 yrs too long for me.
              Sorry for the ranting digression, and good luck with your pain control.

            • richelieu jr

              @Casabeca: I hear you.. I have got it down to 75microgrammes twice (I am at 100 now), but I hurt so badly I cannot get a good night’s sleep and I am a drag for everyone. This way I am slightly less clear in the head, but I can sleep. It is always a trade-off (as you know), but I fear its for life. The side-effects are worse than the good ones;Why anyone would try this for fun escapes me… Best of luck. I’ll keep my fingers crossed for you!
              This has been : Drug Complaint Moments

            • Casabeca

              😉

      • Captain Howdy

        The E-meter releases endorphins? Now I know why William Burroughs got into scientology! If the e-meter simulated/stinulated an opiate high, I would have stol..bought one 30 yrs ago. Junkies find out about these kind of things, trust me on this.

        • Truthiwant

          Can you imagine the Mexican drug lords dealing in E-Meters?

          “Thisa here isa the besta, amigo mio. Isa really the besta shit ina world. Trusta me.”

          • Captain Howdy

            See, if D.M was smart he would surreptitiously start a whisper campaign that e-meters can simulate a dope high and then make them available to the general public. Junkie wogs would be a runnin’ and a rippin’ to get the 4K to buy one.

            • Truthiwant

              In junkie language a Dirty Needle and a Floating Needle would have a whole new significance!

            • Poison Ivy

              You are so right, Capt.

          • FistOfXenu

            Mexico been taken over by Chico Marx?

            • Truthiwant

              Admiitedly, it’s not my best Mexican accent!

            • FistOfXenu

              lol – Sorry, I was watching Marx Brothers vids during the week.

            • Truthiwant

              Groucho Marx taking the pulse of an injured man “Either this man is dead or my watch has stopped!”

            • Captain Howdy

              “Mexico been taken over by Chico Marx?”

              Gets my “Humorous Award” for the day

            • FistOfXenu

              Thanks. Coming from you that’s gotta be worth more than a big shiny medallion like COB gives TC. (But could I have a big shiny medallion anyway?)

            • Poison Ivy

              Ditto. Though the title of this post “African Queen” should go down in Bunker history.

      • Casabeca

        This reminds me of the cancer-causing addiction to tanning beds for many teenagers. They get addicted to the endorphins, not just the look.
        Still not nearly as dangerous as scientology tho.

        • Truthiwant

          Yes, I know about tanning beds. At least you don’t have an Auditor commanding you while getting tanned. But yes, apparently they are addictive.
          Maybe the E-Meter endorphin theory is not proven but it is very interesting and I am sure that Hubbard knew of it’s possible existance, whether true or not.

        • Poison Ivy

          Seriously? Tanning beds gibe you an endorphin high? (COB’s favorite mixer for his scotch?)

          • Casabeca

            You all are so smart here, I show have used a better qualifier.
            As an expert daytime tv watcher, I am aware that tanning beds are some kind of pleasure-center lighter-uppers! 😉
            My only degree area is early childhood Ed , so I could be mixing up endorphins and dopamine maybe? Whatever makes us do a happy dance!
            Always love your comments PI.

      • Missionary Kid

        I hope you’re not implying that there is any pain relief from e-meters. There isn’t. First, the distance that the current flows from one can to another is substantial, second, it is all skin effect and doesn’t affect many neurons below the skin, next, the current needs to be polarized and along the nerve path in order to do any pain blocking,

        • Truthiwant

          I’m not an expert on this subject but what I have written has medical evidence.
          Think about it. You are holding these cans for hours at a time, day after day with an electrical DC voltage continually flowing. I have done auditing and I can tell you that there is definately a sensation you get with the cans and I would call it a numbing effect. However I have never done weeks of solo auditing on the upper levels and it is here that I think that there could be a stronger effect.

          • John P.

            The voltage involved in e-meter probes is very small and the total current is milliamps. It is below the threshold of your ability to feel it and it is far below the threshold to cause any sort of damage. The sensation of numbness you felt is probably due to holding your hands in an artificial posture around the “cans” for an hour or more, trying not to vary the pressure, which results in bogus readings on the dial (not that anything that the dial shows isn’t bogus). Direct muscle stimulation voltage is much higher (50-100 volts of alternating current pericutaneously at much higher amperage, per this paper: http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF00581062#page-1) and the voltage used in ECT is at least 500 volts though the current is not significant. Those numbers are millions of times the sensing current used in the e-meter.

            The reason that solo auditing has such significant effects is that you’re spending thousands of hours (and even more dollars) driving yourself mad, imagining the biographical details of each of thousands of dead space cooties that aren’t really clinging to your skin, and believing in those details credibly enough to convince your case supervisor that you are really doing all the work needed to rid yourself of them. That “effect” has nothing to do with voltage.

            • Truthiwant

              I agree with you, John. The theory of the endorphins and the E-Meter are interesting though.

              I have re-written my short article on my blog site saying that it is theoretical and not proven! It still makes for good reading.

          • Missionary Kid

            I think you need to do some reading about the way in which electricity is used to kill pain, because simple DC voltage isn’t used over the distances across the body like an e-meter.

            Polarization (positive to negative) is a very important part of it. Since the voltage from an e-meter runs up one arm and down the other, one arm should have a different sensation than the other. Anti-pain electrical generators, as I remember it, are also pulsed, with a specific frequency, and e-meters are unpulsed DC.

            I haven’t used an e-meter, but I have seen the effects from much higher voltages (and, hence, the amperage, or current flow).

            To make a quick test to make sure a 9 volt battery is working, I touch the two terminals to my tongue. I get a shock. It doesn’t work on skin, because the resistance is too high, skin is not moist enough, and the nerves are not sensitive enough.

            The e-meter is nearly all bullshit, and any effect at “upper levels” is a big part of that bullshit. If you listen to Jason Barclay’s story about getting past the e-meter, realize that it only registers a second order measure of emotions. It’s just a tool to get you desensitized to your own natural feelings.

            • Truthiwant

              I might be wrong and I appreciate your comments. The fact remains that an individual is holding these cans for hours and there is a small current going through the body and hence it is possible that something is happening. I know that a 9 volt battery stings your toungue but would you really like it attached to your body, discharging for hours at a time, even if you can’t feel it.

            • Missionary Kid

              Discharging? If you’re talking about engrams, there’s no such fucking thing. It’s all a figment of LRH’s fertile but twisted imagination. There is no electrical or energy in a thought.

              There is electrical energy passing through the synapses between neurons, but to measure that takes an electroencphalogram, (EEGt) which is far more sensitive than a simple ohmmeter, which is what an e-meter is. Also, brain activity is recorded as a wave, which an e-meter can not record because the frequency is so much higher.

              The thing that LRH’s theories does to people who get involved with Co$ is introduce a bunch of fairy dust and woo woo to them as science. Then, what goes on is further indoctrination that is filled with circular logic.

              Here’s a fully researched reference on the e-meter:http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/E-Meter

              Take a couple of cans, hook an ohmmeter to them, but run the wires behind you to a volt-ohm-meter (VOM) so you can’t tell if it’s on or off. Have a friend turn the ohmmeter on and off. See if you can even tell when it’s on.

              Try doing it with an analog meter, which is what an e-meter is, or a digital one, which allows much more current to flow.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      1980-1981 Iran Hostage event, nuclear testing in Nevada, 2nd round of mandatory draft registration accompanied by protests, and other headlines had many Americans earnestly in fear.

      In the Sea Org at that time, we could read papers, listen to radio, TV’s, but TV’s were gone I believe in 81 or 82. We had no time for anything but headlines. Our Flag Orders, OOD’s, and Bulletins would spoon feed the most terrifying headlines, sort of like Fox News today. Imagine how pissed off we Ex’s were that endured the hardships because we believed the world was teetering on the brink only to find out that the Only reason was because Hubbard was afraid he’s lose too many of his free slaves to the draft, and also it was harder to get student visas, and other types of visas. There was another reason, come to think of it: prices were escalating, business had already been falling off for years, conditions were pretty harsh, so staff were starting to bail too. So naturally Hub just Had to terrify us into staying. Glad to say that by 1982….Major Bail.

      And most of us didn’t have an Orwellian view. As true believers of the tech, we believed in better education through better learning methods, less illness both mental and physical would mean happier and more productive communities, business men would be more successful. Honest, we thought we could really spruce up the neighborhood. I know, it was garbage. But I’m trying to portray how we thought. Of course, we’ve also later learned that the sociopaths running the place had more of that taking over the world and ruling it kind of warped view.

      • Ze Moo

        While there may have been ‘draft registration’ in 80-81, registration was always required. The draft itself ended in 1973-74. No one in 80-81 should have feared being drafted. Nuclear testing was done underground and was used by Reagan to bring the Soviet Union to arms control talks. The economy was in shambles, mortgage interest rates were around 25%, the federal reserve had jacked up the interest rate before the 80 election to screw over Jimmy Carter. The real decline of american manufacturing began then. The real international problems with short and medium range cruise missiles in Europe came a bit later and with the eventual Soviet withdrawal from Afghanistan, caused the end of the Soviet era. No one outside of Scientology even paid any attention to Lroon. The UK and Australia had labeled him a nut job and most of the public agreed

        • richelieu jr

          I registered for the draft in 1983 (yes, the American one) and I was very afraid indeed…

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Sure, Now you tell me! remember, I compared our news feed to Fox News, so…

        • Karen715

          Actually, mandatory registration for the draft was suspended at some point in the seventies, and then reinstated by Carter in 1980. It was big news and a big deal. I was in college at the time, and most of my male friends were very nervous about it. One of them, who had dual Canadian and US citizenship, considered dropping his US citizenship for that reason.

        • When draft registration was re-instated in 1980, that was during the Iranian Hostage crises and there was much concern about going to war with Iran over this.

      • During that time period (early 80s) I met with a friend I had known at Delphi who was now in the SO stationed at the Complex. I guess he was trying to recruit me. He showed me an LRH bulletin where he says we only have about three years – five at the most – to clear the planet before a nuclear war happens. I looked at the date on the bulletin which was from the early 1970s and pointed out that with the bulletin being 7-8 years old, Hubbard was incorrect and the world was still here. He had no comment as a SO member would never admit LRH was wrong about anything, but it does reflect the “end-times” mind-set that motivates many cults.

        • richelieu jr

          Interesting as I believe that Wright differentiates Scieltology from Heaven’s Gate, etc as being generally free of an echatological mind-set..

        • Still_On_Your_Side

          It is an effective way of keeping the troops in line. The ones who truly want to help humanity are shackled by the threat that if they don’t sweat blood for the glorious leader, they will be personally responsible for the deaths of billions of people. It is a threat that tends to work only on young adults who are prone to believe such grandiosity, and who truly want to help people. One of the most evil practices of cult leaders is the entrapment of altruistic young people. Instead of allowing the energetic young to truly help the poor, or those who need help, cult leaders like Hubbard, convince them that raising money and sweating blood for his cult will be helping the same poor and downtrodden.

      • One of my observations has been that is you live in a dictatorship where the dictated way of life was the life you would live anyway, you would not perceive it as a dictatorship. While current Scientologists might like the idea of a society where anyone expressing entheta about society’s management or perceived as having “counter-intentions” would have KR’s written about them and be sentenced to Lower Conditions – (Isn’t the Sea Org’s stated goal to “Get Ethics in” on this planet?) that always seemed Orwellian to me.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          id suggest reading some of sreven hassans recommended list.

      • richelieu jr

        I am glad to report (and you’ll be glad to hear) the the Major Bail whom you spoke of in 1982– Has been promoted to General Bail today!

        (and we’re hoping he’ll soon be Admirable Anarchy!)

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          that went down smooth with #2 coffee, tks.

  • Hubbard’s was a mind that thinks it was battling society’s vested interests, a mind warped with its own long creative hype pulp style fiction and heroic science fiction stories he spent years mixing his brain cells up with!

    It would be nice to have a full long listing of all of Hubbard’s self invented past life and pulp fiction fantasies.

    Hubbard is such a prolific sputterer of Walter Mitty self stories.

    Tony, you could just interview Jon on each of the “Ron’s Mags”, one by one.

    .Tony, also, you ought to attempt correspondence with Danny Sherman. I think rather than diss Danny, that media should continually try to communicate with him, as it would inevitably draw a response from Danny that would be historically noteworthy, no matter what his response is.

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    There was something about the text, and the style, in the Flag Order quoted above. Then I remembered that the Hub had lots of help in writing, such as David Mayo, in the technical arena. But in administrative which Flag Orders were pretty much all about, the word was that good old Cap’n Bill Robertson wrote up some of those gems (comparable to the hilarious OOD’s, Orders of the Day).

    Hubbard had no problems with homosexuals, adulterers, wife beaters, con men, financial lenders, even psychiatrists, until they said No to Hubbard, or tried to expose his mental condition and/or fraud. Wait, I mentioned wife beaters, but not cross dressing-wife beaters:

    L. Ron knew that Bill would physically and psychologically abuse his wife, but would only try to get him to moderate his behaviour when he noticed that Joan Robertson had cuts and bruises on her arms and face.
    L. Ron also knew about Bill’s proclivity for wearing women’s underwear, yet considered him his “right arm”. That information is now publicly available. It amazes me that knowing this, anyone could stay with the subject of scientology.
    https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/l-ron-hubbards-ghost-writers.110390/

    [IMG]http://i34.tinypic.com/ad234x.jpg[/IMG]

    • Exterrier

      Wow you guys, Tony’s African Queen post unleashed an unbelievable torrent of mirth and sordid but true revelations. Here I was going to watch the Clippers playoff game, but I’m all messed up reading you guys. The cast Tony has assembled here reminds me of the Algonquin Round Table, with dozens of Dorothy Parker’s in it. This is a cushy blog for Tony….he just posts some research and then can sit back and watch hours of hilarious or revealing posts roll out. Gee, this stuff would be strong juice for a newly blown Scillonian to stumble upon, ha. The drag photo is almost but not quite as freaky as the Creature from the Black Lagoon bust at all the orgs, btw.

  • aquaclara

    Great interview. Crowley was cracked. And now infamous as the root-starter for not 1 but 2 cults. Thank heavens, Jon is on watch to keep people informed. I love hearing him explain this stuff. He cuts right through all the b.s.

  • i-Betty

    Peaches Geldof. Is there a cult or bunch of loonies she hasn’t tried out yet? * eye-roll*

    Jon’s ace, I love him 😀

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      There’s one good thing I can say about Hubbard and his Puppet Master: even if for the wrong reasons, they consistently spit back all the good ones from the dark belly of the beast.

  • Ze Moo

    Oblivion spoiler alert:

    Tom Cruise’s character is a clone, made by a Skynet type intelligence (or an ET computer) and he’s killing humans because his memory has been wiped by the evil ones. Being the hero,he recovers his memory and fights the alien overlord. Don’t you love it when art imitates life? No, I didn’t see it. I’ll wait for it to hit cable in about 1 year.

    http://io9.com/oblivion-has-its-meh-moments-but-one-hell-of-a-satisfy-476457815

    • FistOfXenu

      Don’t worry Ze Moo I didn’t see it either. I’m waiting for hell to freeze over.

      • sugarplumfairy

        TheNextMrs. and I are going to see it today.. But our plan is to pay for tickets to Jurassic Park and then sneak into Oblivious.. That way, we’re not supporting The Big Being an ass.. Besides, we like to live dangerously..

      • Ze Moo

        You need not wait for hell to freeze over, just wait for it to hit basic cable or your local TV ‘Fright Night’ movie. That should only take one year at the most.

        • FistOfXenu

          You talk like you think I want to see it. 😛

          • Ze Moo

            I may wait for it to hit the bargain bin at ‘the dollar store’, that shouldn’t take too long.

          • Observer

            I’m with you, FoX … for me Oblivion would be two hours of enduring the excruciating, unfulfillable desire to punch Big Being #3 in his smug, center-toothed face. He has that effect on me every time I see him.

    • richelieu jr

      I saw it, though i did not pay (nor would I have).

      It is actually quite good, and even amazing from a production design statement.

      You will never know how much those words cost me to say. I feel ill.

      “Oblivion” Sneak it to see it! Do it many times!
      Pay to see ‘The Master”, then sneak into Oblivion.

      • sugarplumfairy

        Lol.. great minds…..

      • Artoo45

        Does his new Pierce Brosnan face look good on screen?

        • FistOfXenu

          Brosnan should sue TC for violating his commercial trademarked face.

    • Captain Howdy

      Gee Ze Moo, thanks for SPOILING the movie for me!

      • FistOfXenu

        We don’t believe you Captain. TC already did that for everybody. By being in it.

        • Captain Howdy

          Busted.

          • Ze Moo

            Some very appropriate comments about TC’s acting abilities and CO$. Nice to see no one cutting him any slack over past occurrences.

            “Despite some problems with pacing and slightly flat characters, it has an
            interesting premise and a damn fine payoff. It’s not going to change
            your life, but it will definitely help you escape for a little while.”

            I really miss Mystery Science Theater, the bots would really nail TC……

            • FistOfXenu

              Cut him slack? never happen. My fishing rod has more variety of expression.

            • Observer

              At least they left us Rifftrax …

              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpsq7_sNER0

            • Bella Legosi

              Whomever AnalogKid is on youtube…..I will thank them forever! I can’t count the times I have pulled his account up on my cell to watch some MSTK! Rifftrax Harry Potter and Twilight are freaking CLASSIC!

            • Observer

              I visited the Best Brains studios a couple of times. If this site weren’t what it is, I’d post a couple.

            • Bella Legosi

              hmmmmm you know I haven’t heard of it before now, but am going to rectify that like NOW ;D can I blame you for when my family says, “Get of that damn computer! We know Tom Cruise is nuts! WTF are you watching?” lol

            • Captain Howdy

              Thanks, I needed that.

            • You mean this one

              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CZt_XyE3tg

              don’t you?

            • Observer

              I’ve posted that one previously so decided to mix it up. lol

            • nevarmore

              I think they could have saved a ton of money, skipped making the movie, printed a bunch of big movie posters of Tommygirl and the name of the movie, slightly altered, across the top ‘OBLIVIOUS’… would make more money selling the posters than movie tickets

    • DMSTCC

      My local news film critic gave it a C-

      • Ze Moo

        Your film critic was generous. The special effects look great, but the acting….well no one in the movie is renting their Academy Award tux…..”Oblivion’ could win some special effects awards, I expected more from the director and writers …

  • Ms. B. Haven

    “How could anyone fall for his insane blatherings??”

    Question of a lifetime! I would probably be a lot better off if I just quit asking myself that one and got on with it. But, maybe instead I will just continue my meager efforts as a critic hoping that others won’t have to torment themselves with that question.

    • richelieu jr

      I didn’t know you spoke Latin! Do you know Shakira?

  • OK ..a tad off topic but the same type of crazy ~ Marty has written yet another gem . The study of Biology has apparently reached a dead end …we know all we are going to know so no more research or anything…move on .

    someone needs to throw a net over that guy ….

    • Spackle Motion

      John P wrote about that in yesterday’s Jason Barclay post.

      Yesterday I watched a James Randi video in which he outlined how New Age hucksters bastardize quantum physics into their world of woo, and it fit Marty (and now the other Indies) to a T. It’s too bad that they spend so much time trying to fit a round peg in a square hole.

      I’m hoping that Marty finally gets his head out of his ass and starts actively undoing the harm he brought upon everyone while being a mafia enforcer, but it isn’t likely.

      • Davka

        I all at once admire, abhor, and feel bad for the man. He is trying so hard to make his worldview make sense, to convince others (and more importantly, himself) that you can separate the wheat from the chaff when it comes to L Ron and Scientology. On the one hand, he’s come pretty far, on the other, he’s clinging to what he knows and insistent on making it make sense. Insight and denial all rolled up into a neat little package. Sigh.

        • and STILL ..with all those communication courses..still only makes sense to other scientologists . His words are salad ….mind is a pretzel . At this point i think it is a little pathetic . You are right . Sigh

          • Sid Snakey

            You have totally misunderstand what he wrote and why he wrote it.

            • Sandy

              it’s true. he isn’t endorsing what LRH wrote ….

            • you are correct ~ i never understand what the hell that guy says ….so i read John P’s post and he and his wogness “cleared” it up for me because Hubbard and Mary’s writing are just horrible.

            • Captain Howdy

              Well, feel free to explain and if anybody gives you shit give it right back to them.

      • Captain Howdy

        I’m afraid the only thing that would save Marty is a donkey punch from Randi. Even though I’m guessing Rathbun isn’t his type.

    • villagedianne

      Not all of Marty’s ideas bother me. What really bothers me is the way Marty imitates Hubbard’s smug, heavy handed, cringe-worthy, fake-folksy writing style. Here is an example from Marty’s latest post:

      He would say to you, ‘Oh-huh! We study out of this text book.’ And you’d say,
      ‘Well now, do you realize if you went into the laboratory and you picked up a
      microscope and you started looking at these things – if you did some thinking about this – one of these days you might discover a great big piece of knowledge which would unify all of these fields: evolution, cytology, biology and many others?’ ‘Oh-h-h, no. No. This is something that is taught in a codified way.’

      Cut it out Marty. It’s embarrassing.

  • MissCandle

    “Hubbard expected a collapse of civilization, after which Scientology would take over.”

    I read Helter Skelter many years ago, but I think I remember that this was also Charles Manson’s idea. He and his followers would live in those underground buses after starting a war between the races, and then re-emerge to run the world. Wasn’t it established in a recent thread that Manson was a scientologist? Did he steal LRon’s idea? (I would write “lol” but this is not a laughing matter.)

    • Captain Howdy

      I thought the same thing when reading the article.The thing is, Manson came up with his apocalypse in ’69, so apparently it’s another case of “Ron the Ripoff”.

    • Sherbet

      The same thought came to me, MissCandle and Howdy. Helter Skelter, redux.

    • villagedianne

      “Hubbard expected a collapse of civilization, after which Scientology would take over.”

      I’ve often thought this was the twisted logic behind Miscavige’s Ideal Orgs. Civilization as we know it ends – Scientology has buildings – Scientology takes over the world! I’m serious, I think this may be what Miscavige has in mind.

  • Bella Legosi

    Happy 420 everyone! 😉 Will be lurking for a few, gonna go stay with some fam in Washington! Time for this gypsy to get ready! I love coffee and some “Goodbye Horses” in the morn! MUAH toodles!

    • A holy day for me as well …:)

      • Bella Legosi

        Love your avi by the way 😉

      • It’s George Takei’s birthday also. Ahead Warp Factor Two!

  • Still_On_Your_Side

    Was there a school for cult leaders in the 1940s/50s? There are so many similarities between LaRouche and Hubbard. LaRouche had visions of taking over Iraq and Afghanistan. In 1975, LaRouche was the guest of Sadam Hussein in Bagdad, and in the late 1970s, LaRouche announced that he was going to move his operations to Kabul. LaRouche eventually settled for simple being “the most important person on the planet.” (His words.). LaRouche also predicted WWIII and informed his members that it could be prevented by their raising tons of money. Apparently it worked so well that to this day before every major holiday, LaRouche announces that global thermonuclear war is eminent and can be stopped only through a massive fundraising operation. This has the additional “benefit” of preventing his flock from asking to go visit family. LaRouche is a piker compared to Miscavige, however. The Hole, Gold Base, the billions of dollars, the uber-luxurious lifestyle, LaRouche can only dream of this level of brutality and corruption.

    • MarionDee

      I was just about to post something similar! LaRouche has long fancied himself to be an eminence grise on the international stage, especially Africa and the Middle East. He has an obsession with the World Bank as well. LRH’s prediction of World War III caught my attention immediately because LaRouche regularly tells his group that this is going to happen. Throughout the 70s I got constant calls from my ex (he wasn’t supposed to contact me, but he was desperate to raise his quota of money), asking for contributions to LaRouche, because there was going to be a nuclear attack or world war on a specific date, predicted right down to the hour. When I pointed out to my ex that LaRouche kept predicting this and it never happened, he just stared at me, dazed and open-mouthed. ….

      LaRouche has pocket change compared to Scientology, and his organization doesn’t have the crazily elaborate bureaucracy. But in a strange way, people who recover from LaRouche don’t have the same level of emotional support, and not nearly as much accessible info about the real state of things (though there are some good sites). But the vast evil of Scientology has a real and loving community among its survivors. Because the Rouchies are a vicious but weaker cult, power-wise, and its organization is more diffuse, the community of survivors is also more diffuse. I get the feeling that many of those who leave LaR just stagger away, exhausted, and disappear somewhere over the horizon.

      • Still_On_Your_Side

        MD, that is a very wise conclusion. I notice that there is an attempt in the church to reward people with promotions, different OT levels, and so on. There is nothing like that in LaRouche’s cult, except for committee positions. There is, however, constant ego stripping, and constant statements from LaRouche that no one can reach his level. Both cults keep members poor and depressed, but perhaps the church dangles a better carrot to keep people in the cult? Or perhaps the people who leave the cult are less afraid to display love and compassion towards ex-members? It is an interesting area to explore. I think that, whatever the cult, if someone has the courage to leave and rebuild their life, they deserve compassion and support.

        • MarionDee

          I wish I knew the answers to these things. There are forums of ex-Rouchies, but my impression is that the contributors tend to have left decades ago, and are putting together a collective memory of what went down. I don’t see many people expressing their absolute trauma, or declaring that they have just broken free. Then again, perhaps I am missing the one site that would show me these things. Reading the thoughts and stories of the people here helps me a lot, because I have to recognize that something happened to me at the hands of my husband that is still a wound. On top of that, there’s the horror that my ex has endured. But, bizarrely, I think there’s a part of me that stops exploring LaRouche just when I should keep going. Perhaps I’m afraid of what I’d find. It’s a hard one.

          At the moment, I still go with the theory that Scientologists are used to being part of a vast bureaucratic apparatus, and so are primed to make another apparatus, a communication network, among survivors …not a bureaucracy, but a freewheeling structure that is VERY efficient. In LaRouche, an individual tends to get sent off to different city, driving some lemon car that might get him killed, to sleep in someone’s basement or squat in some building, and sell crazy newspapers on the street. There’s a darkness, a lack of connection to it all. Maybe it creates a learned helplessness. Not sure.

          I wonder too if the smallness of the LR cult (and other cults, I’m sure) makes it harder to organize among survivors. The smaller cults are also not much in the news, so there’s no feeling of the world finally becoming aware of the cult’s evils. And because the cults are smaller, there are fewer members, and fewer EX-members to find and talk to.

          I don’t know how any loving person can turn away someone who comes to them after leaving a cult. If my ex were to break free, it would be the story of the Prodigal Son, believe me.

          • Captain Howdy

            Have you checked out the info on LaRouche on the Rick Ross site? Also, the Ron Paul youth movement reminds me a lot of the LaRouche youth movement.

            • MarionDee

              Howdy, Captain. I have read about half of Rick Ross’s immense contribution.(Link called “That Douche named LaRouche” — hilarious title!) Since the history of LaR’s actual “preaching” disappears as quickly as it hits the wastebasket, it’s incredibly important that he has put as much of “Executive Report” on the net as he has.( I started reading Rick Ross after reading LaRouche Planet, which links to him.) At one point, I had contacted an ex-Rouchie who actually mentioned my ex in a post. That actually gave me chills of fear. But I e-mailed him and he wrote me such a kind note, though he thought my ex would probably not leave the cult, as he was a sweet person and an idealist. Well, yes, I can attest to idealist, before LaRouche ever got into my marriage, but so far as I know the sweetness is now reserved for Rouchies. At any rate, you have put it in my mind to contact him again and ask for recommended reading that has the focus I need. Something in me needs to hear what the final straw was for many of the survivors, what they went through coming out, and if any of it makes sense to them in retrospect.

              I get a lot of that here… not about LaRouche, of course, but in learning about life-after-cults, survival, courage, taking the leap, and love. And to learn to hope. I don’t mean to give everyone a tongue-bath, but the examples of pure courage and pure love here knock me out. And that helps me inch along with LaRouche. It took decades for the buried trauma of being forcibly separated from my ex to emerge in nightmares, and engaging with thoughts of where he might be, or what his life might be like now — thawing him out from the distressing, frightening figure he is in my dreams — scares me very much. I hope this doesn’t sound like I’m using people here, because I’m not, but it helps me to come here. Makes me braver.

            • Captain Howdy

              I tried looking for current LaRouche forums, message boards and all I could find was an old one on FACTnet and some pro-LaRouche ones. I’m glad you showed up here because scientology isn’t the only cult out there and I think people need to keep that in mind.

            • MarionDee

              Thank you for taking the time to give what’s out there a hard look–I have gotten the same results. I’m really grateful. And I’m relieved to know that the cold sweats I sometimes get while reading LaRouche sites haven’t kept me from seeing something that was right there in the front of me. And at the same time, part of me wishes I HAD missed something obvious–that magical link that says “MarionDee, the whole messy problem is explained — and closure is available — right HERE!”

              I remember that in the mid-70s my in-laws contemplated a kidnap to get my ex out of the Rouchies–and I remember feeling very alone, because without the internet it was almost impossible for the families and friends of people who’ve been sucked into cults to get together and help each other. I never met a single person who was in a similar situation. Much different today, of course. Not all cults offer the kind of group support I find among ex-Scientologists, but it is still a great relief to be able to put your loved one’s new, strangely lunatic chatter, into context of the cult at large.

              I think cults will always exist, as long as their are unbalanced, charismatic leaders like LaRouche, Rev. Moon and LRH. Not to get highflown, but they are terrorists of the soul.

            • Still_On_Your_Side

              That’s a frightening thought!

          • Still_On_Your_Side

            LaRouche did/does not create loving networks. He prattles about the concept of “love,” but he is a vile man full of hate. Similar to the CoS’s claim that an individual causes bad things to happen to him/her, LaRouche claims that people he hates die or get sick as a “punishment” for “crimes” against him. He is a former marxist who will not admit that he once hated all religion, and advocated forced abortions. He grovels at the feet of anyone with power or money. As he ages, he becomes more gullible, recently claiming that Obama had been arrested (he heard a joke and believed it was true). LaRouche at one time may have been dangerous, but not now. The biggest danger is to the members of his cult when he dies. He is 90, his followers have long ago lost most of their families, and have no savings. At the age of 65, they will have no social security, or credit, and no supportive network. You are right about individuals being kept isolated, but I think depression or repugnance may be keeping survivors from truly supporting one another. Perhaps Steve Hassan has some suggestions for creating a network.

            • MarionDee

              That is a good idea, Still On Your Side. And you have described my husband’s dilemma perfectly. He hasn’t held a job since the mid-70s (that I’m aware of) and will turn 65 in three years. LaR has lieutenants, but I don’t believe there is any one of them with the crazy kind of magnetism that would be needed to keep that organization going. My ex is very typical of LaRouche’s old guard (who he tried very hard to shed when he began the LaRouche Youth movement–suggested they just kill themselves at one point.) He has no health insurance, no money, nothing — but he does have family members with a little extra income still living. But the future is very very fragile for him.

  • Grant C

    Hey, has anyone gone after scientology for false advertisement about their pathologically lying asshole founder?

    “Any advertising or promotion that misrepresents the nature, characteristics, qualities or geographic origin of goods, services or commercial activities” (Lanham Act, 15 U.S.C.A. § 1125(a)).

    Proof Requirement

    To establish that an advertisement is false, a plaintiff must prove five things: (1) a false statement of fact has been made about the advertiser’s own or another person’s goods, services, or commercial activity; (2) the statement either deceives or has the potential to deceive a substantial portion of its targeted audience; (3) the deception is also likely to affect the purchasing decisions of its audience; (4) the advertising involves goods or services in interstate commerce; and (5) the deception has either resulted in or is likely to result in injury to the plaintiff. The most heavily weighed factor is the advertisement’s potential to injure a customer. The injury is usually attributed to money the consumer lost through a purchase that would not have been made had the advertisement not been misleading. False statements can be defined in two ways: those that are false on their face and those that are implicitly false.

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    “The Chateau Elysee: Scientology’s Celebrity Centre Before it Went Clear” by Hadley Meares

    There are a few stunning photos of the chateau in it’s earlier makeup worth a look. Hadley went for an audition at the Centre once just to see what it was like.

    “I stepped into the lobby surrounded by soaring molded and gilded faux-French design, only to notice how faded and utilitarian everything felt — like a great house taken over by soldiers during a war.”
    http://www.kcet.org/socal/departures/landofsunshine/lost-landmarks/the-chateau-elysee-scientologys-celebrity-centre-before-it-went-clear.html

    • Spackle Motion

      That building has an incredible history, thanks for posting the KCET link. It really is an impressive building, although strangely situated among lots of apartment buildings that were probably not there during its heyday. I’ve driven past it countless times and often see hoards of security around that building. I really would hate to live anywhere near a Scientology-owned property because you really don’t know what you’re in for with them.

  • JessicaSideways

    I think that Atack was kind of a prick in his statements about the O.T.O. and Crowley. Yeah, Crowley was called the “wickedest man in the world”, just like Marty Rathbun is called a “perjurer” by a publication of equal journalistic integrity.

    • BuryTheNuts2

      But aren’t you a Thelemite?
      Maybe that is why it seemed harsh ?

      • JessicaSideways

        Actually, it was more like about the fact that he was quoting a newspaper which was harshly judging Crowley’s magickal praxis. It’s like the people at the CWCki say about Christian Weston Chandler: if you have to lie, you’re trying too hard. If you have to quote bad journalism, you’re trying too hard.

        Aleister Crowley had his faults. He was sexist, anti-semitic, racist, classist and (at times) a total prick. I am a Thelemite in spite of Crowley and I wonder if I would have even liked Crowley if I knew him in person. You don’t have to lie or quote bad journalism to speak about Crowley in a negative light…

      • Captain Howdy

        You gotta admit that Atack has a knack for making outrageous sounding claims in the middle of otherwise sterling dissertations.

    • sugarplumfairy

      No he’s not.. Crowley was, tho

      • JessicaSideways

        Make no mistake, Crowley was a prick as well… but two wrongs don’t make a right.

        • sugarplumfairy

          I’m still only seeing one wrong..

        • FistOfXenu

          Sorry I’m late to the party. In the middle of nowhere and we couldn’t find free wifi.

          Jessica, hope you don’t mind me asking and I know you might not even see this. What does it mean that you think Atack was being a prick? You mean he was being nasty about Crowley without facts to back him up? Could you explain where?

          Also are you saying you think Atack got things wrong factually? Can you talk about what wasn’t accurate and what the real facts are?

          And you said “You don’t have to lie or quote bad journalism to speak about Crowley in a negative light” I could be wrong but that sounds like you think Atack was lying about Crowley. Could you show where did you think he was lying?

          I read as much of Atack as I could find ever since Blue Sky. He usually follows things back to a source. If he’s agreeing with something in a newspaper I think he probably found the original source 1st. If you read his book and especially the new edition he really digs into sources. And if you read Crowley it’s not hard to find him saying stuff that seems to back up what Atack said in the interview.

          So I hope you don’t mind me asking but if it’s not a lot of bother could you explain what you mean? Thanks.

          • JessicaSideways

            Yeah, I totally understand… I am having trouble with my Internet connection and I do these posts from my school.

            I think Atack was being a prick because of his dishonest use of journalism. The “Wickedest Man in the World” epithet came from an issue of “John Bull”, whose article of the same title was so sensationalistic, so libelous, that if you made a drinking game of it – the participators would OD. You can find a reproduction of the text at http://www.angelfire.com/ga3/thelema/crowley/jb240323.htm To claim that this is what genuine newspapers thought of Crowley is akin to thinking that the National Enquirer is a reliable source… or Freedom Magazine.

            Atack was being dishonest in that he used that quote, “Wickedest Man in the World” without realizing that the people using it before were doing so in an act of defamation so outrageous, that most journalists would denounce them if it were about any other source. Hell, we don’t see epithets like that about James Holmes, the Aurora Theatre Shooter, here in Colorado’s newspapers! And he actually killed and injured people!

            Yes, John Bull was a popular newspaper. Just like the National Enquirer. I will not denigrate Atack’s scholarship in Blue Sky and I think he is doing a public service by exposing Scientology. I can appreciate his scholarship in that regard and call him out for his dishonest use of that epithet about Crowley.

            Any questions? (I get e-mail updates, so yeah, I got your reply)

            • FistOfXenu

              Thanks Jessica. But you’re not saying that’s the only paper that called Crowley that are you? Didn’t it spread and get repeated by other sources? It’s in general use now isn’t it? I never read John Bull but I’ve seen that description of him in plenty of papers and magazines that aren’t bottom feeders. I’ve never read the Enquirer either. Anyways thanks for the link to the article. I’ll check it out when asap. But I’m not sure how that makes Atack or anybody else a prick just by saying that Crowley was called that because he was called that. Still is.

              You’re also saying Atack was dishonest for using that quote. Or in plain English you’re saying he lied? Or deceived? Those words usually mean it’s intentional. Is that what you mean? And you say it’s because the people that wrote the article were outrageously defaming Crowley. And we see “epithets” like that (cool word, thanks!) about all kinds of people even if we don’t see that. Killers, rapists, child abusers, all kinds of people that do stuff the rest of society doesn’t like. Go back over Manson headlines. That’s just how it is. To me you sound like you’re saying Crowley’s getting picked on because people have a habit of repeating that quote about him. But you also sound like you’re saying Atack’s worse, like maybe the rest of us are just stupid but he’s a lying prick? To me that doesn’t result from the proof I see right now. What’s dishonest about saying “this guy was called that name” ? He was called it. You don’t have to believe it to say it happened.

              I guess the John Bull article has to be judged by whether it’s telling the truth or not doesn’t it? You say “sensationalist” and “libelous”. I’m no expert but I read some Crowley and it looked to me like he was aiming for that so I can’t blame the article for giving him what he wanted. Libelous is a legal word with a precise definition. Same with the word defamation you used before. So does that mean Crowley sued John Bull and won? Can you show me where I can read about that?

              I’m sorry about all this. I’m not an expert on Crowley so I need to ask stupid questions. And if Atack got that wrong he should be called out on it. But if you don’t mind me saying it you use words that suggest you have a lot of strong emotions tied up with what look to me like a disagreement about facts.

            • JessicaSideways

              Yes, it is in general use but just because it’s in general use doesn’t mean it should be so… or that it is correct. He said that Crowley was called that but never said WHY (which is very important because otherwise, people might think he was rightly so called when nothing could be further from the truth) and that was why he is a prick. He was justifying the quote again instead of trying to dispel misinformation.

              Atack should know better because he claims to have done his research. I don’t hold it against people if they believe some sort of piece of misinformation about Crowley but when someone who purports to be a researcher furthers this idea… he is perpetuating this bigotry against Crowley when he should know better. Crowley was not a killer, rapist nor child abuser… he just advocated a different religious idea than what was the norm.

              Crowley was intentionally provocative, that is true and Crowley tried to sue but he lost because the judge didn’t think Crowley had a reputation that could be sullied by the words in the John Bull. But the fact that you claim to have read the article and yet claim not to see how it is libelous just doesn’t wash. Reading the first paragraph, you can see how laced with libel it truly is:

              1) claiming Crowley was corrupting children.
              2) claiming the ceremonies Crowley performed were somehow “blasphemous”.
              3)claiming that the Abbey of Thelema was a “cesspool of vice”
              4) claiming that Crowley’s influence is somehow contaminating. (without saying why).
              5) claiming that Crowley ruined a young man’s life (if he’s talking about the guy from Oxford who died, he died because he drank contaminated water, against Crowley’s warnings).
              6) claiming that Crowley is a degenerate (again, without saying why).

              And that’s just from an analysis of the first two paragraphs. You can find many more slings against Crowley in this article… should you care to actually read it.

            • FistOfXenu

              Thanks for answering Jessica. I’ll take your answer the best I can.

              You seem to think Atack shouldn’t have said what happened in the past unless he went over the whole thing all over again. You’re working from the standpoint that bad things said about Crowley are “misinformation” that has to be dispelled.

              I don’t agree with you. Atack was summarizing the background for a 2 minute interview. That’s not a lot of time. You said he was justifying the quote. To me he was just repeating it. And why not? If I say Jackie Robinson, one of my heroes in life, was called a “loud-mouthed uppity n_____” by racists, are you saying I’m justifying that? I’m telling you that’s what happened. I heard people saying it. I just reported it to you. It’s up to you to have your own opinion, not up to me to repeat your opinion or anybody elses. But let’s say we were talking about the importance of Jackie Robinson in baseball and race equality. Are you telling me I shouldn’t say people said it about him that unless I spend a lot of time explaining about how he wasn’t uppity and how they shouldn’t’ve used the n-word and how he actually had a soft voice?

              What happened happened and we can’t rewrite history just because we don’t like it.

              The rest of your answer is about that article. I waited to write til I could take time to read it. I can’t say the article is my taste but it was written. About the details in the article you should talk to somebody that wants to dig around in the background of it. It won’t be me because I don’t really care to know any more about Crowley than I do. What I’ve read by Crowley doesn’t attract me to read any more.

              So I can’t argue about the article with you point by point. Why don’t you write to Atack and ask him yourself? What’s the point in saying he doesn’t have proof if you haven’t asked him for his proof?

              I can say a couple of things about your comments on the article and Atack.

              You’re determined to make out that Crowley didn’t deserve to be called wicked. You’re right that he was being judged by a certain standard but you know that was the standard of that time don’t you? It was somebody describing Crowley by his own standard to people who judged by the same standard. That’s pretty normal. Your real argument is with the whole society that didn’t like what Crowley did and stood for.

              Neocons tell other neocons that liberals are unpatriotic and liberals tell other liberals that neocons are intolerant. And I bet Crowley considered people that weren’t on his “path” inferior and probably considered us ignorant. We all measure other people by our own understanding Jessica. That’s just normal. It’s why you call Atack a dishonest prick, except that you said it to people who don’t necessarily see any proof that he is. And you haven’t provided proof, you’ve just interpreted something he did in a particular way. But there’s more than 1 interpretation possible with the available facts and yours isn’t the best 1 until you prove it is.

              Another thing I notice is that you say the judge thought Crowley had a reputation that John Bull’s article couldn’t damage. What you don’t say is that Crowley’s the guy that built that reputation for himself. Your words are “intentionally provocative” but that’s a HUGE understatement if you look close at the time he lived. So is calling his ideas different from the norm. You say he was provocative and then you get all protective because people were provoked? If you poke somebody with a stick you can expect a reaction. Hell, I’m an old man now but you still won’t poke me more than 2x if you like your life. He made the parts of this picture of himself and John Bull assembled the parts and gave it a catchy headline. Your 6 points you’ll have to talk about with somebody who knows the article and history and cares about it. But to me Crowley made the ammo they shot at him and gave them the gun. Social suicide by journalist.

              By the way when a judge says you don’t have a reputation to be damaged it means the statements weren’t libel. I checked, and “libel” isn’t the same as “hurtful” or “offensive” or “lie” or “inaccurate” or “wrong” although those things are usually part of it. It’s a legal word with a definition of its own. So as long as the article doesn’t damage a person’s reputation it can’t be “libel” even if it isn’t correct and if it’s offensive. If Crowley didn’t have a reputation that could be protected he had nobody to blame but himself. See above.

              Last thing I notice is that you seem to be determined to slam Atack no matter what else happens here. Isn’t that what you think John Bull did with that article and what you think Atack did in the interview? Makes you the pot calling the kettle black. I listened to Atack again and I notice that he’s pretty moderate in his description of Crowley considering what he had to work with. As he says “I consider Scientology far more dangerous than OTO”. That doesn’t sound harsh about OTO and Crowley to me.

              I can’t really help you with this, I’m not interested enough in Crowley. Like I say write to Atack and ask him. He seems friendly.

              You say this isn’t about your emotions but your words are emotive and emotional. “Lying on camera and perpetuating dishonesty” are conclusions about intention. The best you’ve done so far is show that you think he didn’t do enough research but you don’t prove it. We don’t have evidence that Atack intended to deceive. That makes me think you’re right when you say it’s not a disagreement about facts. It’s all about Atack for you isn’t it?

            • JessicaSideways

              No, I think you’re missing (or ignoring) an important point: it’s not the fact that this information is unflattering, it’s the fact that these things were not facts at all. That they are not substantiated with even a single shred of evidence, that it was laced with the author’s own prejudices which are as subtle as a velvet hammer. No, I am not saying that that statement is justifying that because you acknowledge the quote was made by people that have their own prejudices which are apparent in the quote, the quote itself shows that it is not reliable. Atack didn’t even point out any of those things when bringing up the quote. If he couldn’t find someway to do that in his 2 minutes, then he shouldn’t have even brought the epithet up to begin with. He could have said:

              “He was defamed in the media in his time, with journalists calling him ‘The Wickedest Man in the World'”

              “He was constantly vilified by the press of his time with the epithet of ‘The Wickedest Man in the World'”

              “He was called ‘The Wickedest Man in the World’ by journalists wanting to stir up sensationalism.”

              You see, I made three quotes which could have easily been said within that timeframe. The quote itself shows the prejudice in your case, but in the case of Crowley, he fails to explain WHY he was vilified as “The Wickedest Man in the World”.

              Just because it was the standard of the time doesn’t make it right. The fact that you lie and say that I haven’t provided proof just goes to show how unwilling you are to look at the evidence. I’ve provided the evidence and the fact that you claim that I haven’t provided proof is very telling.

              And no, it does not make the “pot calling the kettle black” for slamming Atack for being a prick. I am judging Atack for his words and his statements based on a thorough review of the FACTS. The John Bull article, on the other hand, used religious prejudice to come to it’s conclusion. The fact that you would even try to shoehorn that statement in some sort of Frankensteinian abortion of reality is really telling.

              No, this isn’t about emotions. Atack was lying on camera and he was perpetuating dishonesty. That’s not my interpretation, that’s what happened and the proof is in the video, clear as crystal. The video is evidence that Atack intended to deceive. Why is it that you are ignoring all of the evidence, when it is staring you in the face?

              It’s all about Atack per his dishonesty here. If he weren’t being dishonest, I would have no beef with him and I would still think highly of him based on his investigation of Scientology.

            • sugarplumfairy

              You’re wrong and your argument doesn’t make sense..

            • DeElizabethan

              Sugar, you’re right and your statement make sense.

            • FistOfXenu

              Hi again Jessica. Thanks for answering.

              Just a couple of points. 1st, you seem to think epithets of this kind have to be treated by normal people as literal statements just like “Jack is taller than Bill”. Almost always they aren’t unless they’re about some quantity where you can stick a number on it. Like richest or biggest or smallest or oldest. Even then people can argue them and some times they do.

              When a guitarist is billed as “the best guitarist of all times” it’s not literal, it’s opinion. That’ll be argued forever. And people are still arguing about stuff like the best boxer, best drag racer, best football player and all that. Best, worst, most evil, most virtuous. Those are all words about qualities and they’re figures of speech. You can’t measure them and that means they aren’t literal.

              That means you’re asking for something nobody can give you because it doesn’t exist. You wanted Atack to prove that Crowley was the wickedest man in the world? The world back then was full of people who would’ve said yes to this non-literal statement. And so you know there are people to this day who would say he wasn’t playing with the full deck even when he was reading Tarot cards. And some of them might even say he was wicked or even wickedest. But it’s not literal. It’s an expression of rejection of his actions and public persona he made for himself. You can’t put a quantity on wickedness because NOBODY agrees about how you measure it.

              By the way your 3 alternative quotes are way way more biased in your direction than Atack’s comment was in any direction. Listen to it again. His actual words were just “Crowley was called the wickedest man in the world”. He said that without agreeing or disagreeing. The rest of what he did was report things about Crowley and let us decide what we think. You wanted Atack to say that the title was undeserved. Why? There’s no proof Crowley wasn’t “wicked”, whatever that means to different people. And there’s no reason for him to rewrite Crowley’s history. Crowley WAS called that. You want an explanation WHY he was called that? It’s in the rest of the video. Atack details things about Crowley that contributed to opinions about him. You want words like “defamed” and “vilified” and “sensationalism” to be stuck in there. But that’s just your opinion about whether it was deserved. There’s no proof those words are true. And even after Atack finished I don’t hear him saying Crowley deserved it OR he didn’t deserve it. That’s up to us listening to make up our own minds. You’ve made up yours. A good report of the history shouldn’t tell us what to think.

              2nd, you just love calling people liars if they disagree with you don’t you? You do it without even thinking about it, like a reflex don’t you? You repeatedly call Atack a “liar” because he didn’t say what you wanted to hear. Now I’m a liar (your exact words are “The fact that you lie and say that I haven’t provided proof just goes to show how unwilling you are to look at the evidence”) because I don’t agree with you.

              Jessica, you have a limited view of the world and although you won’t want to hear this, a childish one. You blame the world of Crowley’s time for having a narrow standard but your own standard is even more black and white than theirs. The standard you expressed here is that people either agree with you and are “right” or they disagree with you and aren’t just mistaken or wrong, they’re “bad”, they’re “liars” and “dishonest”.

              You’re as narrow minded as the people that make you so angry. Maybe worse because you don’t see it and you won’t see it.

              You claim you just use facts (sorry “FACTS”) but what facts are there to say Crowley WASN’T the wickedest man in the world? You say “the video is evidence that Atack intended to deceive. Why is it that you are ignoring all the evidence when it is staring you in the face?”

              Jessica, the proof you say is in the video ISN’T THERE. You see it that way because the alternative is that somebody disagrees with you honestly and you don’t make any allowance for that possibility. The only thing I’m seeing evidence of right now is that you can’t stand it when somebody disagrees with you. So when somebody disagrees with you the only thing you can imagine is that they must be lying deceiving and dishonest and bad.

              That’s what I see. And that way of evaluating people won’t get you far in the real world. For starters it won’t make people eager to talk to you or listen to you.

              And now I’d better take my “lying” self back to breakfast. Any more conversation with you is pointless.

              By the way just so you know, I don’t consider Crowley the wickedest man in the world. Never did. But he was on my Top 10 Most Boring list. I’ll probably move him to my top 3 Most Boring list after this talking with you.

      • Captain Howdy

        I don’t have a problem Crowley. He was larger than life, a grand showman in the tradition of the Grand Guignol, the Theater of Cruelty. he was an adsurdist with a wicked sense of humor. Unfortunately the media and clod heads of Europe took him a bit too seriously and turned him into the boogeyman. He was a scary prankster par excellence. And if some doughheads took him too seriously well..Caveat emptor.

        • sugarplumfairy

          Oprah taught me to listen when someone tells me who they are.. Everything I’ve read of Crowley and by Crowley tells me he was a self absorbed spoiled bad boy who liked to shock people and test their limits.. You can have Crowley.. I’ll take Oprah..

          • Captain Howdy

            Spf you just didn’t cite Oprah to me did you? Oprah is one of the main mouthpieces in the dumbing down and corporatization of American. She’s “tittytainment’ exemplified.

            • noseinabk

              Just picture the horrified look on the faces of Oprah or Crowley if they knew someone was comparing them!!

            • sugarplumfairy

              Lol..

            • grundoon

              I wanna watch Aleister and Oprah battle it out for the daytime talk show Emmy award. I’d tune in to watch “Aleister.” I’d even pick up the latest “A” magazine at the newsstand. Since he’s dead it would have to be Zombie Aleister… he’ll kill in the ratings!

            • Bella Legosi

              shhh Captain thats a SECRET!

            • sugarplumfairy

              She’s a saint.. You’re should get on your knees and beg forgiveness..

        • Bella Legosi

          I like Oscar Wilde. Great works from an exceptional heathen

      • Bella Legosi

        The absebce of having any morle compass was also tauted by Charles Manson.

      • JessicaSideways

        “There’s no Thelema without Crowley”

        True, he was the prophet of Thelema… and perhaps it is true that the religion of Thelema would not have been started without Crowley and his catalytic nature, but remember this – Thelema has a life beyond Crowley. As it was printed in the newsletter of O.T.O. US Grand Lodge, Agape: Crowley ≠ Thelema ≠ O.T.O.

        What this means is that, while Aleister Crowley is a very important figure in our history, who has given us a lot of our modern texts, some ideas about how to practice Thelema, as well as much of our controversy that survives to our modern day, he is NOT the be all, end all of Thelema. Nor is he the be all, end all, of the Ordo Templi Orientis.

        As for that quote, yes – the idea of the common ethical guidelines is “balderdash” and yes, we must all go our own orbit! But let it be understood that if we exercise our infinite rights to the detriment of others, we cannot use that quote as an excuse to avoid society swinging it’s infinite rights. Furthermore, it does say in Liber AL vel Legis:

        42. […] So with thy all; thou hast no right but to do thy will. 43. Do that, and no other shall say nay.

        Wait… if we could just do whatever the hell we wanted, then why does it say that we have NO RIGHT but to do our will? I think that this means that we only have the right to do only our True Will, but the OBLIGATION to do that, and nothing else. Now, does that mean that we can abandon work, education and all that to pursue the Great Work? By no means. Most of us could not afford to and suffice it to say that (as far as I know) a homeless shelter or a prison is not an appropriate (nor accepting) place to do an LBRP. Just sayin’.

        And you don’t have to worry about hexes from Thelemites because…

        “I have been accused of being a ‘black magician.’ No more foolish statement was ever made about me. I despise the thing to such an extent that I can hardly believe in the existence of people so debased and idiotic as to practice it.” – Aleister Crowley, Black Magic is Not a Myth.

        Now, if you’ll excuse me, I need to draft my reply to Fist of Xenu. 😉

        • sugarplumfairy

          Ahhh.. The book of law.. Do what thou wilt.. Sounds a lot like the playboy philosophy.. Hefner was an assh*le too.. Lots of assh*les write books and start movements.. And there’s always lots of assh*les to follow them.. And then there’s even more assh*les to sit home drinking mimosas on a sunny Sunday, read blogs and criticize them.. I mean me, btw.. So don’t be offended.. Im not picking on you.. Im just saying Sometimes we’re all assh*les..

          • JessicaSideways

            To the ignorant, I suppose the “Do what thou wilt” would sound a lot like the playboy philosophy. If they did not know, by wilt, they meant their True Will, our own destinies. To accomplish the Great Work, which requires some of the strictest discipline upon ourselves.

            Agreed, sometimes, we are all assholes.

          • Bella Legosi

            lol like most girls I am an asshole magnet! At least our being assholes is warranted!

        • grundoon

          If you take your Law from Crowley, whose orbit are you in?

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    Just saw Lucas Catton’s video about the scientology slimey retaliation for his interview on NBC Rock Center. Just wanted to throw this out for the newbies around here that understandably initially think only drooling idiots could be sucked into the scientology experiment, including Narconon. Oh, and as a bonus, scientology provides more evidence that Narconon IS scientology. Good job, Davey!

    http://youtu.be/iNEGoaGh6G8

    • noseinabk

      Of Luke’s videos posted by OSA only 2 of them have 10,00.00 views and those have only 2 or 3 comments? Did scientologists get an email asking that they check it out? Not exactly the kind of video that would go viral.

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        As Lucas explains in his video (above), CoS paid a promotional fee for 10,000 viewers. It is odd, is it not, that their vids get less than a hundred hits, except those two, with 10,000 + less than 100 hits. And the lack of comments is the biggest clue.

        (Of course, “Bill Smith” did weigh in. And based on the level of illiteracy, he’s clearly from the CoS.)

    • Captain Howdy

      If someone opens an account on YouTube that even vaguely “mimics” another account it’s fairly easy to get the mimic shutdown. I and others have done it numerous times.

    • DeElizabethan

      Wonderful vid of Lucas.

  • Spackle Motion

    By the way….I keep reading (on other forums) that David Miscavige has either been laying low or is in hiding lately. Anyone want to play the game of speculation as to why? Come on…..let’s have some fun with this one.

    This may be completely crazy, but I suspect that the cult bought that fantastic spread in Malibu to operate a NarCONon for celebrities, and the very first and only one there is DM. I read that his alcoholic DTs are starting to become quite evident in public events.

    • Observer

      In recent pics I’ve seen he looks like death warmed over despite his pancake makeup.

    • aquaclara

      Well, if I ran a cult that had no friends, excess inventory in both buildings and books, and an overcrowded RPF, I would drink heavily, too. And then expect the cult to buy me a lavish, lovely resort to recoup in private with no e-meters in sight.
      This might be the first sane thing he’s done. If it is true…
      Put me down for ten tickets in this lottery. I am feeling lucky.

    • Bella Legosi

      I am willing to be a process server if Little Boots comes to my town! Dead serious, like I have said, if someone can attempt a citizens arrest on Dick Cheny, I think I could act and look the part long enough to serve him some paps! 😀 I wouldn’t mind the little tyrant freaking out, in fact I would encourage it. And I know just the journalist I would give that exclusive to also 😉

    • elar aitch

      Addicted to tanning beds?

  • Scientology did finally take over a country, as we know:

    http://d104xtrw2rzoau.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Kim-Jong-Un-despot.jpg

  • DeElizabethan

    Great video Jon, a nice bonus for us too.
    Finally ordered your book from this site and looking forward to reading it.

  • so that rumour about John Travolta liking to dress up in furry costumes is true……..

    • 1subgenius

      I’d watch that.

    • Bella Legosi

      Its pretty uh…….well just watch it. I would recommend a toke on the devil cabbage if that is your thing! I love Troma

  • Bella Legosi

    Love this post! Thank you Tony for this series in particular and the vid was an awesome bonus as well!

  • Bella Legosi

    The very thought of Hub having his own country is about the worst idea ever! Thanks for the nightmare fuel Tony! And I thought having a dream of a very pissed Mel Gibson chasing my ass (for what reason, I still can’t figure it out) was bad enough. At least in Jonestown their madness came to an unfortunate end, but ScilonLand? Jesus H Christ!

  • Bella Legosi

    I may not be around for the Funnies tomorrow, but was working on a certain song for yall! Think of Old Time of Rock and Roll instramentals………..here are some of the lyrics I have come up with……..I figured some of you fellow merchants of chaos might have fun playing around with it! Enjoy!

    Just take those old cans off the shelf

    I’ll sit and audit to ’em by m’self

    Today’s religion ain’t got the same $oul

    I like that old time rock and roll

    Don’t try to take me to the Org

    You’ll never even get my credit score

    In 10 minutes I’ll be runnin for the door

    I like that old time rock and roll

    (Chorus)

    I’m a $cientologist who’s crazy as fuck!

    The kinda Kool Aid stings my throat

    I reminisce about the days of old

    With that old time rock and roll

    • so ..you are having a good 4/20 then huh ?? 🙂

      • Bella Legosi

        Yup!

    • aquaclara

      Song of the week, Bella! Of course, you had to beat “I’m a little teacup….” which is still stuck in my head. No easy feat. But then, you get extra credit for the great lyrics.

      • Bella Legosi

        lol I wasn’t really finished, but I couldn’t hold out on the Bunker! And thank you! I may just have to record it once it is finished!

    • Bella Legosi

      I will try to finish it by tomorrow morning for yall! Gladly accepting suggestions. I am not too good with lyrics, but I am kinda proud of myself for this dilly!

    • N. Graham

      Edgar Winter and Chick Corea? Anyways, good job Mr. Legosi.

      • Bella Legosi

        hehe I am a Missy but its all good Mr. N Graham………and now that you mention it Kirsty Ally?

        • N. Graham

          Sorry MS. Legosi. lol Kirsty might be ok, but how about Frank Stallone?

          • Bella Legosi

            hehe I like this game!

    • John P.

      This sounds familiar. Originally performed by “Danny Sherman and the Silver Mullet Band”?

  • Duncan Arthur

    In 1960’s South Africa anyone suggesting one-man-one-vote had to be very brave. Ron doesn’t come across as brave

  • Poison Ivy

    This is truly one of the funniest (saddest?) posts you’ve ever done Tony! Truth is stranger, blah blah blah….but then everyone on this blog knows that!

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  • disqus_0MHNN90X5s

    LOVE Jon’s upload video and the sideways plug opportunity he used on the CULT, the occult routes of Scientology are far too often overlooked.
    Interesting when Crowley was given the basis of OTO in ‘mind events’ in egypt circa 1904 he was ‘instructed’ to write it all down , convert it into all the languages of the world and circulate it, Crowley never got round to doing that, Hubbard did (in the form of Dianetics) and we see the result today!!

  • Keshet

    Hubbard’s proposed Rhodesian constitution from 1966:
    http://www.solitarytrees.net/racism/rhoconst.htm

    Six years prior to that, Hubbard was offering advice on creating a proper constitution for Kenya in a letter to a person named “Brian”:
    http://www.solitarytrees.net/racism/kenya.htm
    That page is under construction but the complete text of the letter is there.

    “There is only the problem of gradually bringing the black up to administering to the black without overburdening and enturbulating the white.”

  • Remember the days Hubbard sailed round the Adriatic( in “THE SCOTLAND) and paid no taxes and abused his crew of acolytes ? Way before that in Florida about 1940, Hubbard hooked into a young man( about 17) with inherited money and a NICE BIG YACHT and had a homosexual relationship….. then he blackmailed the kid and threatened to expose him and the kid committed suicide and HUBBARD sailed off in the Yacht … And with all the war hysteria and U BOAT COWS safe in US waters off Fort Lauderdale and an Anglo sailing off in a QUEER KID’s yacht had little priority and was soon forgotten ……..