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Tamerlan Tsarnaev, Dead Boston Bomber Suspect: “I don’t have a single American friend, I don’t understand them.”

Tamerlan Tsarnaev [Photo copyright Johannes Hirn]

Tamerlan Tsarnaev [Photo copyright Johannes Hirn]

Biographical notes on Tamerlan Tsarnaev, which our friend and attorney Scott Pilutik found at this 2010 photography slideshow about Tsarnaev, taken when he was a US Olympic boxing hopeful.

Tsarnaev was killed in a shootout with police early this morning in Watertown, Massachusetts. His brother Djohar remains at large. The following captions were included with photographs of Tamerlan at a martial arts center, where he worked out.

Disclaimer: We cannot verify the authenticity of these statements. Information about the Tsarnaev brothers is still just coming in.

— Tamerlan Tsarnaev practices boxing at the Wai Kru Mixed Martial Arts center.

— Originally from Chechnya, but living in the United States since five years, Tamerlan says: “I don’t have a single American friend, I don’t understand them.”

— Tamerlan, 196 lbs, will represent New England in the heavyweight category at the National Golden Gloves competition in Salt Lake City, Utah.

— Tamerlan, who studies at Bunker Hill Community College in Boston and wants to become an engineer, took the semester off from school to train for the competition.

— If he wins enough fights there, Tamerlan says he could be selected for the US Olympic team and be naturalized American. Unless his native Chechnya becomes independent, Tamerlan says he would rather compete for the United States than for Russia.

— Tamerlan fled Chechnya with his family because of the conflict in the early 90s, and lived for years in Kazakhstan before getting to the United States as a refugee. [This appears to be in error. The Tsarnaevs are apparently ethnic Chechens from Dagestan who then moved to Kyrgyzstan before coming to the US.]

— Tamerlan stops to answer a phone call while walking from his Mercedes to the Wai Kru Mixed Martial Arts center, where he practices boxing.

— Tamerlan says he loves the movie “Borat,” even though some of the jokes are a bit too much.

— “When you start kicking, it gets dirty. That’s what I think,” Tamerlan says. Of kickboxers, he says: “They don’t know how to move.”

— Tamerlan says he doesn’t usually take his shirt off so girls don’t get bad ideas: “I’m very religious.”

— Tamerlan says he doesn’t drink or smoke anymore: “God said no alcohol.” A muslim, he says: “There are no values anymore,” and worries that “people can’t control themselves.”

— Tamerlan says his girlfriend is half Portuguese, half Italian, and converted to Islam: “She’s beautiful, man!”

— Tamerlan demonstrates a way of walking to strengthen the ankle muscles at the Wai Kru Mixed Martial Arts center. A native of Chechnya, Tamerlan says: “In Russia, we used to train like this. Here nobody does it, I don’t know why!”

[Video that is posted at a web page of Djohar Tsarnaev, Tamerlan’s brother and the suspect who is still at large this morning. The video appears to be Djohar — and that’s how he himself spells the name — but the longer we look at it, the more we wonder if the man in video is actually his older brother, Tamerlan…]

 
And now we have a rough translation of this video, courtesy of our Russian language department. Its title is “Accents of the Caucasus.” In the video, he is being asked to imitate different types of people in different languages and with different accents. Here’s what we could get, at least the parts that were in Russian…

[Voice off camera: “Give me Armenian…”]

My brother we arrived to see you in Moscow…what kind of settling of debts are you talking about? Show us that man and we’ll tear him apart. Here, look at this knife. This is a knife I got from my grandfather. We’ll cut him and cut him and cut him again.

[“Give me Georgian…”]

My girl, go with me and we’ll have some skewers and drink some wine — romance, romance…

[“Now Dagestanian…”]

(Not in Russian)

[“Now give us a Chechen…”]

(Not in Russian)

[“Now give us an Ossetian…”]

Let’s talk one on one, like men. What, are you not a man? If you’re an all right guy, you’ll acknowledge your guilt, then I’ll break you a couple of times and then we’ll just sit and eat some pies, we’re very hospitable…

[“Now Ravshanov…?”]

This is fucking amazing! My salary, my work! Boss, I was at a resort, they turned on the music…and then the pressure started…

[“Now Kabardian…”]

Go fuck yourself!

 
Our Russian department has now translated for us a statement put out by Ramzan Kadyrov, the Russian-backed leader of Chechnya…

Tragic events took place in Boston. As a result of a terror attack, people were killed. Earlier, we expressed our condolences to the residents of the city, and the citizens of America. Today, as reported by SMI, a person named Tsarnaev was killed during an attempted arrest. It would have been logical, had he been arrested and an investigation would have taken place, to ascertain the level of his guilt and the circumstances. It appears that special forces were needed to achieve a result at any cost, in order to calm the population. Any attempts to make contact between Chechnya and the Tsarnaevs, if they are guilty, went in vain. They grew up in the United States, their opinions and convictions were formed there. One needs to look for the roots of evil in America. The entire world needs to fight terrorism. We know it better than anybody else. We wish a speedy recovery to all the victims and share the feeling of mourning with all Americans.

 
Our Russian department is telling us that Russian television is playing down the Chechen connection of the Tsarnaev brothers, pointing out that they actually came from a neighboring region, Dagestan, before they moved to Kyrgyzstan as children. However, our translator points out that the Tsarnaevs are ethnic Chechens, and it feels like the Russian TV effort is a bit untrustworthy on this point.

 
Still keeping an eye on Russian-language television: “Interfax reported that they spoke to a person who presented himself as the father of the Tsarnaev brothers. He expressed the view that the brothers were framed by the special forces, because they are practicing Muslims.”

 
Some tweets from Djohar Tsarnaev’s feed @J_tsar….

I don’t argue with fools who say islam is terrorism it’s not worth a thing, let an idiot remain an idiot (Jan 15)

I meet the most amazing people, spent the day with this Jamaican Muslim convert who shared his whole story with me, my religion is the truth (Dec 31)

Brothers at the mosque either think I’m a convert or that I’m from Algeria or Syria, just the other day a guy asked me how I came to Islam (Dec 24)

I kind of like religious debates, just hearing what other people believe is interesting and then crushing their beliefs with facts is fun (Nov 29)

Free Palestine (Nov 28)

This night deserves Hennessy a bad bitch and an o of weed the holy trinity (Nov 17)

#in3rdgrade I didn’t speak a word of english (Nov 12)

my dad’s reaction to rap music on the radio always made me laugh #imissthatman (Nov 8)

Idk why it’s hard for many of you to accept that 9/11 was an inside job, I mean I guess fuck the facts y’all are some real #patriots #gethip (Sep 1)

15 billion was spent on the olympics, imagine if that money was used to feed those in need all over the world. I’m saying #endworldhunger (Aug 16)

my bro left these christian missionaries second guessing their own religion (Aug 10)

@therealAbdul_ boston marathon isn’t a good place to smoke tho (Aug 10)

i wish i could apologize to the kids i bullied at a young age #iwasonsomefuckery i’m talking like first/second grade though. I’ve changed! (Aug 8)

my moms tryina arrange a marriage for me aha she needs to #chillout i’ll find my own honey (Jul 12)

changed majors, boutta try to become a nurse (Jun 26)

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on April 19, 2013 at 08:32

Normally, we cover the world of Scientology at this blog, but felt this breaking news story was worthy of coverage. E-mail your tips and story ideas to tonyo94@gmail.com or follow us on Twitter. We post behind-the-scenes updates at our Facebook author page. Here at the Bunker we try to have a post up every morning at 7 AM Eastern (Noon GMT), and on some days we post an afternoon story at around 2 PM. After every new story we send out an alert to our e-mail list and our FB page.

 

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  • Observer

    The American dream gone horribly wrong. Imagine what their parents are feeling–unless they encouraged their sons’ actions, they are victims too.

    I don’t understand why there are so many people who think that xenophobia will somehow preserve our way of life, especially when it has repeatedly been show to be a contributing factor to things like this. We need to embrace immigrants, not shun them.

    And, sadly, I have no doubt that innocent Muslim American citizens will pay the price for the monstrous actions of the two bombers.

    • TheNextMrsTomCruise

      Innocent American citizens have already paid the ultimate price for this monstrosity. Their names were Krystle Campbell and Martin Richard. Martin was 8 years old. His family is in my prayers.

      • Well, that’s no reason for additional innocent American citizens to pay the price.

      • MO Mom

        Please don’t forget Lu Lingzi. She was not a US citizen, but just a young woman enjoying the day with her friends, as we’re all the spectators there. My prayers are with them all, so many lives will never be the same.

        • Observer

          And the Moroccan kid whose name was splashed all over the news media as being a suspect even though he was just there to watch the race.

          • Bella Legosi

            When the Jehovah Witness girl went missing from Gresham a few months back, the local news comments section was rife with theory’s that it was the poor girls husband who did away with her. It was truly sad. It ended up being a fellow church member who killed her and he had been stalking her for months prior.

        • TheNextMrsTomCruise

          yes, I shouldn’t have forgotten her. All of the dead were so young, and had so much to live for is what struck me. The murderers were also young, but apparently, all they felt they had to live for was to kill innocent people. It is truly horrifying.

      • aquaclara

        plus the MIT police officer killed last night….as this madness and terror continues….

    • patschef

      You know what… save it ….lets shed a tear for all the innocent Muslim Americans? So it’s our fault for not “embracing” these animals?

      • Observer

        That is neither what I said nor what I meant. These two are murderers and deserve what’s coming to them, or what one of them has already got. What I am saying is this could possibly–emphasis on the possibly–have been avoided if they felt part of the community. And yes, I will shed a tear for the innocent Muslim Americans who are just as horrified by this as the rest of us but will be painted with the same brush as these terrorists. And yes, I do know Muslim Americans who are horrified by this.

        It would seem you’ve already made up your mind though.

        • patschef

          Fine but place the blame where it belongs. How do you know people didn’t try to welcome them and help them assimilate? It’s interesting to me that your initial comment was that they weren’t made to feel welcome. I have read that one of the brothers received a scholarship.

          • Observer

            I was referring to the fact that he said he had no American friends. Even if that was true it would NOT excuse their actions in the slightest. What I’m saying is that it’s possible that someone’s kindness may have pointed him down a different road. Or it may not have. My point is that immigrants should be welcomed and made to feel a part of American life and not shunned or judged or hated because of what someone else of their ethnicity, religion, nationality, etc. has done. Someone who has committed no crime should not be punished because someone else who is like them did. And now I’m climbing off my soapbox.

            • Sherbet

              I understand what you’re saying, Observer. Keep on saying it, although it’s unpopular. You have a good heart, and you’re saying what America should be all about.

            • Bella Legosi

              what Sherbet said!

            • patschef

              Read what their own uncle said about them

            • Sherbet

              patschef, there is probably NOBODY on this blog who disagrees with you that the bombers were motivated by their personal evil, criminal, immoral, hateful beliefs. We agree, OK? But some of us take exception to painting one culture or another with a broad brush that is colored by the acts of a few. These are tragedies unfolding, and they’re not Boston tragedies; they’re American tragedies. It’s pointless to hang an evil man who’s already dead as we mourn the good people who died. We ALL want to see the second man captured and punished. You’re sort of creating an argument where there is none.

            • Capturing the remaining brother alive is important to find out whether the two of them had assistance and whether other evil deeds are planned. And also what influenced them to behave in this terrible way.

              Andrew

            • Sherbet

              Amen, Andrew.

            • Sherbet

              My understanding, within the rumors and false stories, is that the one who was killed was taunting the police and throwing ordnance as they told him to raise his arms. Also, “they say” he had burns on his body, and it wasn’t clear if he was shot to death or if he had exploded something on his own person. If the latter is true, then who would be surprised if the second suspect did the same thing? Death before dishonor. And we’d never hear the truth from his mouth.

            • Captain Howdy

              Yea, supposedly he had a large hole in his chest as if one of IED’s exploded when he was still holding it.

              There’s a good chance the younger brother may have died due to wounds or killed himself and his body may not be discovered for quite sometime. Which would suck because I need to go to the grocery store and the MBTA is shutdown till they find this clown

            • Sherbet

              This may be your chance to give up the cigs, Howdy.

            • Captain Howdy

              No! Sherbert No!

              There’s a Tedeschi’s across the street and a liquor store at the end of the block. I just want some real food.

            • Sherbet

              Well, that’s OK, as long as you can get the necessities…

            • This is a pic of him and has been confirmed as authentic …… be aware, it’s extremely graphic hence my addition of REMOVE THIS in the url so you can’t click on it accidentally http://grab.byREMOVE_THIS/lOeu

            • Sherbet

              You weren’t kidding, ‘lush.

            • Captain Howdy

              Al-Qaeda has an online magazine, “Inspire”, aimed at Muslim-americans, encouraging them to act independently. The recipe for the pressure cooker bomb was featured in “Inspire” in an article titled “how to build a bomb in your mom’s kitchen”. Srsly.

            • Sidney18511

              There is an element of American society who are more then happy to spread hate against all Muslims. They thrive on hate. They need an enemy. Americans, blacks, mexicans, atheists. Anyone who is different then they are. They are whipped into a frenzy of hate by RWNJ. They are not much different then the terroist themselves.

            • Bella Legosi

              Thank you!

            • Davka

              Thank you for saying so eloquently what I was feeling.

            • Sherbet

              I’m glad you clarified that, Davka!

            • Davka

              When I realized I’d fat fingered my reply, I went “ack! Delete, delete!!!” Would love to blame Disqus, but I think it might be trying to work, read comments and listen to channel 5 all at once.

            • sugarplumfairy

              Read where? I’d like to..

            • patschef
            • sugarplumfairy

              thanks, chef..

            • Captain Howdy

              i don’t know about you SPF, but I missed the part of the article where the uncle said he was proud of them. lol

            • stillgrace

              The uncle is not proud of the two individuals. The father called his younger son a “walking angel”, which may have been his genuine view TEN years ago, when his son lived with him. People change.
              Zero sympathy for either of the brothers here. Makes me sick if anyone blames America or Americans because the older brother couldn’t make friends.

            • Observer

              That’s not what I was saying. My first post was a general observation. Given our recent history I feel justified in my belief that a lot of innocent immigrants are going to pay for the actions of these two monsters, and it gets worse every time something like this happens.

            • stillgrace

              I wasn’t targeting you, Observer, with my comment. Two separate issues.

            • Observer

              Thanks. I have a tendency to speak and/or post the end result of one of my long trains of thought, completely oblivious to the fact that those hearing or reading haven’t been privy to the train. When it finally pulls into the station confusion tends to ensue.

            • Captain Howdy

              I know, I was just goofing on chumley.

            • sugarplumfairy

              Exactly..

            • sugarplumfairy

              amen..

            • patschef

              their uncle was proud of them

            • sugarplumfairy

              Their uncle called them losers.. I heard it myself.. ok, it was CNN, but I heard it..

            • Captain Howdy

              Their Uncle said he was glad that the older brother was dead and that he disowned both of them. What news are you listening to?

            • patschef

              didn’t get my point

            • Captain Howdy

              Since when do trolls have a point?

            • patschef

              ok i guess you run this board sorry for commenting

            • Captain Howdy

              Don’t be silly, just make sense.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist
            • stillgrace

              Pretty sure that’s a gnome, but he does have a point!

        • sugarplumfairy

          I know some too, Observer.. I work with some of the kindest, gentlest, most intelligent caregivers imaginable.. who happen to be muslim.. It breaks my heart that they came to work today feeling they had to apologize..

          • patschef

            what are they apologizing for?

            • sugarplumfairy

              one doc told me he prayed that the perpetrator would not turn out to be Muslim.. and that he was devastated that it was.. I could see he felt compelled to explain to us that his beloved religion does not promote violence.. and he said he kept his kids home from school today, until he could talk to some of the teachers and get a feel for things..

            • aquaclara

              this is sad.

        • Chocolate Velvet

          Observer, I thank you for speaking out from a place of compassion, and the “big picture” POV.  It is important to make this a part of the discussion when individual people do terrible things.  Compassion is an important part of resilience and healing, and cannot be left out. In my experience, I have found that compassion is NEVER a “logical necessity”; there is always a way to rationalize compassion out of the equation.  Even though we claim to hold mercy and generosity as virtues, in our American culture.  We must make a choice to see the big picture and respond on that level, for the obvious reason: this is the level where real solutions can be found.  We can pursue justice for each injustice, around and around, endlessly.  But “an eye for an eye” really does leave everyone blind, in the end.  

          I think it is important to remember that we do not possess the power to define others with our reaction to them, or what we say about them.  Our attitude and reaction to another person only defines US. Some people imagine that denying compassion or understanding to another is a way of making it clear they are wrong, bad, worthy of punishment, or judgement as evil.  Extending compassion and understanding would be a tacit approval of that person and the choices they make.  But this is just not so.  When we choose compassion, we make ourselves better than those who are heartless, and we hold a place for a way of living that is not driven by hurt and retribution.

          Observing the Columbine killings here in Colorado, and the way the various victims’ families responded very differently and how that shaped their lives, I have learned an important lesson: The perpetrators of evil are wrong by virtue of what they have done, regardless of how I react to it.   If I allow myself to be infected by the same sense of “righteous” rage and heartlessness that drives evil people, then I am lost and they have succeeded as agents of evil — infecting me, and spreading the darkness and anger just a little further.  Then comes ugly and bitter words and actions, sowing more hurt and anger, which feeds alienation, which leads to violence.  And so on and so on and so on.

          If, instead, I respond to hatred and violence and evil with understanding and compassion and intelligence, then the chain is broken and evil advances no further in the world by my choices or attitudes.  When every one of us can choose this way of seeing things, there will be no place for violent sects, crazy cults, socio-political extremist groups, or racial sepratists to find fools they can inspire to “righteous” violence, or retribution like fair gaming.

          Of course, this is just my take on things. I am an idealist.  I must confess my belief in the basic goodness of living things, and in our unending responsibility to reject darkness and fear, and choose life. Regardless of what others are doing.  I must also confess I fall far short of this ideal, all the time.  I know rage and hurt and the hunger for balance through retribution.  But we have to support each other in striving for the best in ourselves — that’s what I think.  So, again, thank you for your thoughts.  They were well-spoken. 🙂

          • BuryTheNuts2

            Bravo CV.

            • q-bird

              absolutely – wish i could up vote more than once on some of the posts here.

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            Thank you for this. Because our world is shrinking, I believe the impetus to learn about the brain and behavior exists now. If we’re going to survive in a world where physical boundaries only apply when boarding a plane, and the instantaneous reactions and effects of an event in one country in all the rest, we must advance at the same lightning speed as computer technology. I am optimistic about that, myself.

          • Observer

            Thank you. 🙂

            And I agree with you–what’s lacking in this world isn’t hate, or fear, or military strength. It’s compassion.

            It just seems to me that wholesale fear and hate are a far greater threat than platoons of terrorists.

      • Bella Legosi

        Just get it over with and call them “mongrels”. Same could be said about Christians and Soldiers In the Army of God. And yes, innocent people should not have to pay for what the guilty do.

        • patschef

          call them what ever you want. I’m not defining by religion you are.

          • Bella Legosi

            what? I was pointing out there are “animals” in all religious Zealots……damn missed the point did we?

            • Captain Howdy

              When’s the last time an animal killed someone in the name of some stupid religion or killed someone for fun? Animals are the real saints and angels compared to humanity.

            • stillgrace

              The only animals that I am aware of that killed for pleasure are the two lions of Tsavo. They did not follow normal patterns of killing only for food.

            • sugarplumfairy

              Oh my.. That was an interesting wabbit hole.. Thanks.. I think..

            • Captain Howdy

              From what I’ve read and seen, cats, weasels and orcas will toy/play with another creature until it dies. Now whether that is by accident or design remains to be seen.

            • Exterrier

              And any farmer will tell you dogs kill chickens for fun, lest trained not to. Most dogs will do this.

            • Bella Legosi

              Kittys are second to humans for killing for fun, but excellent point Captain.

            • Guest

              .

      • 1subgenius

        Enjoy fighting straw men?

        • patschef

          im bored

          • 1subgenius

            Apes when bored poke each other with sticks.
            Don’t be that ape.

            • patschef

              ok genius

            • Midwest Mom

              Chef, please make yourself useful and fix us some quesadillas and a few crudite platters. I’d like mine with chipotes, please. Oh, and could you make some tacos, too?
              Thanks.

            • patschef

              only if you have another long, drawn out, boring, pointless and irrelevant stories of culture differences you can share…that was fascinating and not long enough. more please

            • Midwest Mom

              I must have had you under my spell. I have that effect on sociopaths. You didn’t have to read it if you didn’t want to read it, you know.

              Get cooking!

            • patschef

              wow.. sociopath.. ouch you have no idea who I am yet you throw sociopath around… thats an intelligent observation. Get cooking thats clever too.

            • sugarplumfairy

              Turtlez!

            • sugarplumfairy

              Mmm.. Quesadillas.. Yay!

      • ThetaBara

        That sort of attitude keeps this sort of thing going.

    • patschef
      • Spackle Motion

        The Dad claims that “all hell will break loose” if his son is killed???? Really??? His son killed 3 people and wounded over a 100.

        And it seems that his Dad knew about it. If hell should break loose on anyone it’s that Dad.

        • Snippy_X

          From RT:

          Dzhokhar Tsarnaev became an American Citizen on September 11, 2012, CBSBoston reported.

          “I say Dzhokhar, if you are alive turn yourself in and ask for forgiveness from the victims, from the injured,” another uncle of the suspects, Ruslan Tsarin, has called on his nephew, also suggesting he ask for forgiveness.

          “He put a shame on our family, he put a shame on the entire Chechen ethnicity,” he said speaking to reporters outside him home in Montgomery Village, Maryland. “I dearly ask you to respect our property. With the families of those who suffered, we’re sharing with them their grief,” The Guardian cited Tsarin. “And ready to meet with them, just to bend in front of them to ask their forgiveness.”

          http://rt.com/news/chechnya-suspect-boston-bombing-110/

      • Observer

        In my original post I said UNLESS the parents encouraged them they’re victims. If they encouraged them, or if they knew and didn’t say anything, they’re just as guilty. That doesn’t change my point, which is let the guilty pay for their crimes, but leave the innocent out of it.

        I do find it interesting, though, that this one Business Insider article is saying things that everyone else is contradicting, like that the uncle was proud, while on CNN he said they were losers and he’d disowned them.

        • patschef

          i don’t think anyone is contradicting that the uncle said they were losers

          • Observer

            Your post of an hour ago where you said “their uncle was proud of them”.

            • patschef

              it was meant to be sarcastic i guess it didn;t come thru as that

            • q-bird

              perhaps then, after you comment, put in a <> eh?! just to make it clear. just to make it so what you are saying can be understood correctly. This has worked well in the past.

            • q-bird

              whoa – disqus just added words to my post AND won’t let me edit. strange.

            • sugarplumfairy

              Bob!

            • hogarthian

              LOLLAGE!!!!

            • Midwest Mom

              spf, U R so smaaaaaat! It’s a new account, too.

      • aquaclara

        Pats chef…I could go for a Philly cheesesteak from Pat’s right now. Pat’s. Not Gino’s.

    • Midwest Mom

      The brothers who were responsible for these bombings are obviously of a different mindset compared to the thousands of Muslims who live in America and who seek the freedoms of our country and work hard to build mutual respect and positive relations with their neighbors, co-workers and community at large.

      I found out the hard way that there is a vast difference between the Muslims that I had grown up knowing and the ones who hate America and western culture.

      When I was in college, there was a foreign student from Iraq who refused to sit next to me, or any other female in a speech class. He was angry that the instructor was a female and would sit in the back of the class angry, never contributing or even looking at the instructor.

      One day when I was in the Student Union building, another classmate told me that it looked like the man was following me after class. I deliberately changed my route after class, even going through two buildings to see if he was following me; he was. Two days later, after class, when it was extremely hot and I was wearing Bermuda shorts and a golf shirt, the man yelled at me outside of the Liberal Arts building for being unchaste and told me that in his country, I would be killed for trying to tempt men with my body, and that I was vulgar for not covering myself. He called me some pretty rude names.

      I immediately went to the Public Safety office with the classmate who had witnessed him following me and filled out a report,. The man had followed me there of course, so I pointed him out before he walked away.

      I found out the next day that the man had cornered my professor while she was alone after a different class the afternoon before, and had threatened her. Luckily someone in the hallway heard him yelling and escorted her to the Public Safety Office. He followed her there.

      The instructor was in her late twenties and had long dark blond hair, blue eyes and fair skin. I was 18, had long blond hair, blue-green eyes and fair skin.

      The man who had been following us and yelling at us had recently transferred to the states from Iraq to study engineering. He was angry that he was expected to do any work because “his father was paying for his degree”. He thought that he didn’t have to do coursework because his father was a rich man, and he was only in America to get his degree, not to actually do any work to get it.

      He also hated that women were allowed to be in equal and superior positions to men. He thought this was evil.

      My instructor and I were told that he was not allowed on campus any more and that we wouldn’t have to worry about him, but we both kept seeing him, and we both kept reporting it. A friend of mine who worked for the campus newspaper gave me a photo from a Halloween Party that showed the man and his friend staring at me while I was standing with my friends. They were the only ones in suits; everyone else was in a costume or wearing casual clothes, so they weren’t hard to miss in the picture.

      It took a while to get things worked out with the International Office on campus to finally get word that he was no longer allowed to be in the states on a student Visa.

      The man who followed and threatened my professor and I hated America. This is the type of person that people need to be cautious about; not people who are happy and grateful to be part of America’s melting pot who have every right to be here as we do. There is a significant difference.

      • Observer

        Exactly! Birds of an entirely different feather.

      • hogarthian

        I hear ya there. Not just America and Americans. I’m British and have had some similarly interesting/alarming experiences trying to teach my ‘Sex, Sex Offending, and Society’ module.

        • Midwest Mom

          Thanks for pointing that out, hogarthian. If it goes too far, make sure that you report it to the police, as well. Universities don’t always report things to the proper authorities when it is warranted.

          Stay safe, my friend!!

    • Casabeca

      Yes, never bully the newcomer, invite the new family over for a barbecue. Sometimes we can do something small and ordinary to help.

  • sugarplumfairy

    So disturbing.. I don’t understand what he’s saying, but his goofy mannerisms remind me of my brothers in entertainment mode.. performing to get laughs..

    What happens to turn a person ino a sociopath?

    • TheNextMrsTomCruise

      Your brothers are MUCH funnier. In addition, they aren’t sociopaths, and don’t kill innocent people. I think your youngest does a better accent than either of these two

      • Roger Larsson

        What’s the difference between sociopaths and stand-up comedians? Sociopaths aren’t that nice behind closed doors and stand up comedians aren’t that rude behind closed doors. The only difference.

        • TheNextMrsTomCruise

          Um…what?

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            My brain’s already on overload trying to make sense of what I am seeing and hearing for the last few days on my TV screen. Trying to decipher a Larsson today would just crackle and sizzle the circuits.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Now that is funny

            • Roger Larsson

              A step forward or a step backward??? What the hell!!! There are bombs going off and there are bombs stayin in their suitcases.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Sizzling circuits was funny, Roger.
              That is all…
              Bombs are not funny

              Got me?

          • Roger Larsson

            The difference!

            • sugarplumfairy

              I got you, Roger.. I’ll explain it to her..

            • Roger Larsson

              Thanks 😉

            • q-bird

              so are you saying here Roger, maybe, perhaps, that in Comedy (all kinds) there is indeed, always, ever present, a raw cutting edge of truth contained within it – someone always ‘loses’ somehow – something or someone always gets the sharp end of the shtick, yes? And so, where’s the empathy? But if we crack open both closed doors a little, there IS difference between a stand-up & a sociopath IMHO: one seeks out & hopefully finds humor that exists between us… and the other seeks out and usually finds & in fact, delights in, horror. One celebrates laughter & life, no matter how dark, twisted or ill-conceived the pathway – and the other celebrates pain, destruction & death.

              I am trying to understand your statement.

              Sugarplum, am I even close?

          • Captain Howdy

            That’s GOLD!

    • Bella Legosi

      Having the emotion of being wronged by a person or ideal, abuse (physical or sexual), desensitization towards those deemed enemy, and feeling powerless. Just my estimation

    • Captain Howdy

      Not to play devil’s advocate SPF, but I’m guessing these brothers committed these acts in the name of their religion and their homeland Chechnya. Nelson Mandela, Menachem Begin participated in the bombings of civilian targets. Were/are they sociopaths?

      • sugarplumfairy

        Let’s just say, they all had their sociopathic moments..

        • 1subgenius

          I was going to qualify my answer, but….

          • sugarplumfairy

            ‘yes’ was my initial reaction.. but then I’d just open a can of worms.. And Cap’n can do impressive things with cans..

            • Captain Howdy

              My next can of worms was going to be.. who is/was more “evil..Osama bin Laden or Bill Clinton/George W Bush?..but ill leave that can unopened as a gift to you.

            • 1subgenius

              About as useless/futile/pointless as how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.
              Where would such questions end up? How much time do you have?

            • Captain Howdy

              1SG, angels aren’t real, but 3,000 + dead American civilians compared to a 1,000,000 +dead Iraqi civilians due to U.S intervention is a fact.

            • 1subgenius

              those are facts…..”more” and “evil” aren’t

            • Captain Howdy

              Most people aren’t moral relativists.

            • 1subgenius

              I’ll sit this dance out.

            • Roger Larsson

              Ideas are the root to the evil and individuals own thougts the thing growing in the world-

            • sugarplumfairy

              sure they are..

            • Captain Howdy

              Yeah? Tell most people there’s no such thing as right or wrong and it’s all subjective and watch their befuddlement.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Right now, it might turn out to be “children of a sociopath”. The father and aunt are scaring me. The most chilling moment for me was hearing how these two boys Stayed. to Watch. Limbs being blown off. 8 yr old child blown to bits. That part just freaks.

            • Roger Larsson

              I say Xenu. He was the head of a Galactic Confederacy consisting of 26 stars and 76 planets. The first bomber on this planet.

            • sugarplumfairy

              You’re such a sensitive soul.. I bet you’re watching the Oprah channel right now, aren’t you..

            • 1subgenius

              Words/labels can never adequately represent what they attempt to.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              tks. I was needing a laugh, even a little one, right about now.

            • sugarplumfairy

              Hugs, Hole..

        • Captain Howdy

          My actual point was that the term “sociopath” is way overused and abused these days. People have an asshole boss/boyfriend, he’s a “sociopath. It has been turned into a cliche just like the super genius serial killer.

          • Observer

            Agreed.

          • BuryTheNuts2

            I approve this message.

          • sugarplumfairy

            Merriam Webster defines sociopath as “Someone who behaves in a dangerous or violent way towards other people and does not feel guilty about such behavior..”

            I stand by my usage.. I was not using it as a cliche.. And as I watch the news today, I’m thinking of everyone and especially you there in Boston.. And Sherbet, and Davka and Kim and my college roomie and my cousin Frankie and dozens of other folks I know who’ve been devastated by these two sociopaths..

            • Sherbet

              Thanks for the kind words, sugarplum. As I said earlier, this is a tragedy for America, not just Boston. I keep thinking of the broken bodies and the images from last Monday, and some people will never heal or forget what they’ve seen and felt, just as it was at Columbine, Virginia Tech, World Trade Center, Oklahoma City, Sandy Hook. There’s no easy solution, because there’s no single cause, and, as much as people may try, we can’t always blame it on politics. Sometimes it just happens, because a sociopath made it happen.

            • Captain Howdy

              I understand what you’re saying and i didn’t mean you were using it as a cliche. I was thinking more of the MSM. It’s become a catch all buzz word for anyone who doesn’t demonstrate the appropriate shiny happy let’s keep it positive faux humanist facade. Is Mr Spock a sociopath? Was Geronimo a sociopath because when asked why he killed women and children when he raided settlements, he responded, “The women have children and the children grow up to be soldiers”, or was he simply a pragmatist? War is Hell Oh the Humanity the Horror, the Horror, SPF!

            • sugarplumfairy

              You can say that again, Cap’n.. “Why can’t we all just get along???”

            • BuryTheNuts2

              I love it….everybody is syncin up!

            • Captain Howdy

              Somebody just mentioned something about “curfew”, wut the hell? Time to make a pit stop.

            • Midwest Mom

              I’m representing spf at this point as counsel. spf has no further comments regarding sociaopaths at this time. My co-counsel, Merriam Webster and I want to make it known that while spf is not a sociopath herself, she is friends with many different types of people including a turkey eating punker in a bear costume and a fist wielding alien name Xenu, just to name a few.

              We hope that all of the sociopaths who were offended are now focused on the turkey eating punker in the bear suit.

              Thank You and have a pleasant evening, folks.

            • sugarplumfairy

              My hero!! Thanks, Mom.. We can discuss your retainer once the tequila wears off..

      • 1subgenius

        yes

  • Davka

    As I sit here watching the tv and trying to work from home, watching what continues to happen to my city (and Cap’n, Sherbet, PI, Particle Mom, Kim O’s city, and others I don’t know about), I really appreciate you posting this piece. At this point, I am trying to wrap my brain around the fact that these are two kids who lived in Cambridge. And went to Rindge and Latin. And built bombs. And destroyed. Let’s all just hug the ones we love, and keep safe.

    • sugarplumfairy

      thinking about you all, Davka..

      • Davka

        Thank you – I’m not in the lockdown zone, but I have friends who are – one friend heard sirens and helicopters at 2:00 AM this morning, and my brother’s co-worker said the firefight with the suspects happened it on her front lawn, practically.

    • Sherbet

      I’m here, Davka, and we’ll all stay safe today. This is so surreal, especially because it’s happening so close to us. We were out near Longwood/Fenway last night (that’s another long story, involving my son and his college, but we’re all well and safe) and wondered why we could see so many police cars on the bridges over the Charles…until I turned on the TV at 12:30 a.m. Just so weird. Sad and sick.

      • Davka

        Agreed – I used to live near Watertown Square, once upon a time – bizarre to see it blanketed by Police.

        • Captain Howdy

          I’m safe cuz they won’t let me go to Stop&Shop. Hey that reminds me…

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZWoJ8_75Mo

          • Casabeca

            If the authorities think they can keep Boston area away from Dunkin Donuts, I predict a caffeine deprivation revolt! Seriously tho, stay safe and well in your beautiful, beloved city.

            • Captain Howdy

              Thanks, even though Boston is just some place I landed 20 years ago. I’ve met many really cool, wonderful people here, but “Oh, Frisco you’re my home”

  • aquaclara

    Thanks for uncovering this and sharing it with all of us here at the Bunker this morning. It’s a sad morning in a tragic week. My heart goes out to those who are hurt in Boston and Texas today.

  • Spackle Motion

    I had a very early morning meeting with people in Boston cancelled because of these two fuckers. I really feel for every Bostonian right now because I can’t imagine having an entire city suspended like that.

    • Bella Legosi

      Surreal isn’t it?

  • sugarplumfairy

    Wow.. So that’s what he was saying..

  • Douglas D. Douglas

    The father of these two was quoted this morning describing his younger son as “an angel.” Who knows how long he has been out of touch with them.

    The younger brother came to America when he was nine. On Monday he killed an eight-year-old boy and two others. If he gets out of this alive I wonder what bizarre justification he will have for what he did.

  • An alarming aspect of this horrific incident is the massive effect two terrorists can have on the lives of over 600,000 people.

    I think other ‘haters of America’ will have noticed this and be factoring it into their plans.

    Andrew

  • Sid Snakey

    With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil — that takes religion.

  • disqus_0MHNN90X5s

    Hmm!- Fair Gamed ?
    “Journalist John Sweeney postpones Plymouth talk”_http://www.thisisplymouth.co.uk/Journalist-John-Sweeney-postpones-Plymouth-talk/story-18737083-detail/story.html#axzz2QvE5RJ4W___TUESDAY 30TH APRIL EVENT: Plymouth Skeptics in the Pub presents Oh Scientology! Church of Fear – John Sweeney

    DETAILS: Investigating the Church of Scientology for the BBC in 2007, award-winning journalist John Sweeney spectacularly lost his temper. The footage was seen by millions around the world, via YouTube, and the documentary in question is one of the most watched episodes of Panorama of recent years.

    John will be discussing the events detailed in his new book, The Church of Fear: Inside the Weird World of Scientology; covering his experiences with the church.

    Apart from investigating Scientology, John Sweeney worked for The Observer where he covered wars and revolutions all over the world including reports from Zimbabwe after Mugabe had banned BBC reporters from the country in 2002. In 2005 he received the Paul Foot Award in recognition of his work into ‘Shaken Baby Syndrome’ which ultimately led to three wrongly imprisoned women being freed

  • mook
    • aquaclara

      This is excellent. I wish him luck in his suit.

    • q-bird

      this was an excellent link Mook. yes & tks. good to read on the truth coming out in the courts. I do wish him all the luck in the world too, sticking to his guns.

  • Ivan Mapother

    Follow the money, that will tell the story.

  • Cymboli Starsong

    I live 3 miles from where the feds and police are searching in Watertown. I feel like we are in a war zone with all of the armed personnel patrolling the streets. We woke up to a phone call from the city telling us to stay in doors due to a search for terrorist suspects. My cousin who lives right around the corner from the Arsenal where the press conferences are held, were escorted out of their apartment so the police could search the building. This is some seriously scary shit.

    • aquaclara

      Good luck to you and your family, Cymboli. Be safe. I hope this ends soon, so you can return to all things normal. Like going outside or down the block for a cup of coffee.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        What aqua said. Stay safe.

    • Still_On_Your_Side

      I know what you mean when say it is like a war zone. On 9/11, I was at a local hospital with a family member scheduled for minor surgery. Suddenly, all hell broke loose and doctors started running. Non-urgent surgeries were cancelled, and the hospital was cleared of visitors etc. As we were leaving, the ambulances and helicopters started to arrive. The hospital was the closest to the Pentagon, and the injured were being brought in. I will never forget how shocked we all were, some of the burn victims I saw were still in uniform and they were trying to walk into the hospital. There was a surreal atmosphere. The parking lot attendant tried to collect money from those leaving, and then stopped himself and said, “What the hell am I doing.” There were police cars everywhere as we drove home. It was a terrifying experience.

      • BuryTheNuts2

        How awful SOYS..

  • aquaclara

    Ok, I have officially cancelled the work I wasn’t doing today. Checking twitter, two cell phones-one for texting and one for emailing, one laptop and an IPad still make me feel like I am missing something important. I need more technology-this isn’t enough.
    Good luck, Boston.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      I know what you mean! I have my tablet propped up in the kitchen while making hubby’s lunch, small tv in the spa and workout lounge, large flat screen in the livingroom in between all these, the laptop in the guestroom is on, and of course computers in the home office area. Hubby has the smartphone though.

      Today, hell, this week, we are all Bostonians.

  • sugarplumfairy

    Aaaagghhh.. He was going to be a nurse?

    • BuryTheNuts2

      Ironic eh?

  • Stick By Me

    I almost wish I was around the org to hear the Scn spin on this. I give it 2 weeks before we start hearing about how Volunteer Ministers are giving Locationals in Watertown. And the CCHR promo… It will be so beautiful. “Tamarlan’s wrestling coach had to take a psych class in Junior College” or some crap…

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      and the psych drugs….they’ll turn Claritin into the equivalent of electric shock in a pill and ultimately…it’s the evil psychs who are responsible.

      • Midwest Mom

        Don’t forget Big Pharma!

  • stillgrace

    CNN is inteviewing the boy’s aunt from Canada. She’s a piece of work.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      anderson cooper: “clearing she is in a state of denial”.

      My god, even my family is starting to look pretty good today.

    • Captain Howdy

      Is she the konspiracy kook? She sounded like a scilon trying to explain away the internet

      • stillgrace

        Yep. She really talked down to the reporters.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        lol

    • TheNextMrsTomCruise

      Apparently both the Aunt and the father think their boys are being framed by the police. And yes, Auntie is a real piece of work.

      • stillgrace

        The father actually verbalized that the American police murdered his son.

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    Just noticed Joshua Topolsky’s tweet that Tony posted:

    “You know it’s a bad week when you’re like, oh I forgot all about the guy who mailed ricin!”

    Comment of the year!

    • Sherbet

      I think that’s the first good laugh I’ve had since Monday!

    • aquaclara

      This is a great quote. Lousy week. Would have been easier had he just joined a cult. Hate that I can think this. I am going to focus on the heroes for the next week.

    • er….. and that little dude threatening Nuclear War

  • Captain Howdy

    Anybody wonder if these douche-bags were imitating that stupid “15 Minutes” movie?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/15_Minutes

  • stillgrace

    The father of the boys thinks his boys were framed. (CNN telephone interview, translated)

  • dbloch7986

    I can tell you from experience that the same day this happened David Miscagive wrote an Inspector General Network Bulletin capitalizing on his flock’s aversion to media and attempting to incite them to donate large sums of money into the IAS coffers.

    Scientologists as a group will be a lot poorer and suffer a lot more psychological pressure as the church twists this even to suit it’s despicable needs. The church’s coffers will grow as the flock withers away.

    I wish I still had a copy of the bulletin written after 9/11. It was intended to incite people to join the Sea Org and donate large sums of money, and it turned out to be very effective. The fear-mongering and apocalyptic predictions that it contained were used to psychologically abuse Sea Org members and Public alike.

    • Truthiwant

      I remember it very well. It suprised me but then I thought Miscavige was telling the truth. I didn’t realize that he was jumping on a tragic fact to enrich himself and his ‘religion’

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      You can always tell how deeply scientology is bleeding members and money by the number of war like phrases and end of the world themes that pop up in their promo. That’s been true going all the way back, Derek, so yes, Miscavige is going to swarm over his frightened flock before they know what hit them. Lately, the scientology medivial knights in promo pieces have morphed into long, blonde haired babes wielding the swords. I don’t even want to Think about what that one means.

      • hogarthian

        ‘long blonde haired babes wielding swords’….. There weren’t 72 of them were there?… All virgins by any chance? Nice to see the Scio’s still plagiarising the world’s religions in pursuit of more potential martyrs to the cause.

      • Observer

        It’ll be interesting to see what pops up in the Sunday Funnies over the next few weeks.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          It would have to be Facebook entries, or email. Miscavige’s kingdom still reigns in the age of CD’s and pulp print productions.

      • Midwest Mom

        I need to get new contact lenses. I misread the word “promo pieces” as “porno pieces”. I’m glad I re-read it. (I was wondering why no one else reacted to that sentence!)

        Yes. My face is red right now.

  • TonyOrtega

    CNN just tweeted that the father of the Tsarnaev brothers told TV in Russia that he thinks his sons were framed — FIVE HOURS after we told our readers here in the Underground Bunker. OUR RUSSIAN DIVISION IS SO COOL.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Who knew we had a “Russian Division”? Excellent work. And this family is making even mine look pretty good.

      • Normally we refer to them as Smersh. That may be were the confusion comes in.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Oh. It all makes sense now. lol

      • TonyOrtega

        Yes. And our Russian Division is also our Spanish, Portuguese, Hebrew, Dutch, and Serbo-Croation Divisions, as well.

        • How diverse of our division.

          • Midwest Mom

            And divine!

            • Poison Ivy

              Doe the Sharpei speak Mandarin?

      • BuryTheNuts2

        Did the the Russian division bring Vodka?

        • If they didn’t I will.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Bury! Come on down. The stress has me eyeing some stray coffee beans that fell behind the counter. Bring Mango and Raspberry Frozen Daiquiri’s in your intervention kit.

          • BuryTheNuts2

            I cant I am in Palm Beach , half connected and tryin to keep up!

        • hogarthian

          How fabulously typical of you!!

          • BuryTheNuts2

            Consistency is key!

    • stillgrace

      Today, CNN has been consistantly one step behind the bunker.

    • BuryTheNuts2

      That’s what we’re talkin about! Score TO!!!

    • Poison Ivy

      You rock, Tony!

  • Captain Howdy

    Even though no scientology ministers were allowed to eulogize at the Marathon Memorial, President Obama made sure to give D.M & T.C a shout out when he made a reference to “small and stunted individuals”.

  • DMSTCC

    The millions of C0$ OT’s must be calling the FBI hotlines to locate the other Boston bomber, right?

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Not unless he lost his keys on a patio with green furniture.

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    Just saw a CNN scroll stating that the mother of the 2 suspects said the FBI had been following (or keeping tabs?) of her older son for the last 3 years. Was she interviewed? If so, I missed that one.

    • stillgrace

      Yes, she was interviewed. She said that the boys were set up. She did say the bit about the FBI watching her son for three years. She also said that she would know better than any one if her older son was a terrorist … insisted that he would have told her. (right) CNN will show the interview again.

      • hogarthian

        Yup… they would have told her *nothing*.

  • hogarthian

    I’ve been at work all day and have just spent the past 2 hours catching up. Just wanted to say that my thoughts are with all of the Boston Bunkerites, keep a low profile guys, until it’s over. And if someone could courier Captain over some smokes in an armoured vehicle with a police escort, that would be great.

    p.s. Their father knew, their Aunt knows nothing and is a limelight loving drama queen (and she ain’t a lawyer either), their uncle is scared shitless and is therefore protesting too much (which is understandable), and their mother knows nothing (I don’t know how to put this without offending anyone – muslim women are, more often than not but not always, excluded from ‘important’ decision making processes.) My opinions mean diddley of course…. I’m just sharing.

  • stillgrace

    gunshots … suspect is now cornered and swat is using gas.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      And telling residents never mind, stay inside!

    • Captain Howdy

      That’s a bingo!

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    If this latest is true….on CNN, an as yet unnamed country requested US FBI to interview older brother as suspecting ties with extremists groups and that FBI did then interview him in 2011, but no evidence found. Oh my.

    • stillgrace

      I know … major.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Yeah. Let’s hope the FBI insists on being his chaperone.

  • Captain Howdy

    The Governor gave the “All Clear” and Chechen boy thought that meant him.

  • SKY NEWS just reporting that they have managed to catch suspect 2 ALIVE….. AYE CARAMBA!!

    • TonyOrtega

      That’s premature. I’m listening to the scanner. They still haven’t moved in to the boat yet.

      • Captain Howdy

        If this kid comes out alive it’s a miracle.

        • TonyOrtega

          They said they threw a flash-bang grenade into the boat. They’re obviously trying to knock him out to take him alive. But too soon to tell if it worked.

        • Sandy

          Jeez I hope they can get him alive …

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          The older brother is the one who’s travelled internationally back and forth and now they lost that intel. I think they will do everything in their power to keep him alive, barring any explosive traps the guy rigged up.

      • stillgrace

        boat? oh … now it makes sense. CNN has not mentioned a boat.

        • TonyOrtega

          He’s in a boat behind a house. Not near the water.

          • stillgrace

            you scooped CNN again.

            • TonyOrtega

              There’s a report that a local resident noticed a ladder against the boat that wasn’t there before, called the cops. Air support has been saying they see him in the boat, moving around. But now, after the flash-bang grenade, no movement.

            • TonyOrtega

              “Negative movement. He’s on his back.”

            • TonyOrtega

              “We have movement. Arms are moving.”

            • TonyOrtega

              They’ve been talking for a while about turning on the big light on the boat from the sky. Was going to do it, then asked not to. Now talking about doing it again.

            • TonyOrtega

              Chopper’s down to 15 minutes of fuel.

            • TonyOrtega

              Talking about bringing in another chopper, but there’s going to be some time without one.

            • TonyOrtega

              Heading to dinner. This may not end for quite a while.

            • My favourite restaurant when I lived in NY was I Tre Merli on South/Lower Broadway/Soho…. I hear it’s still there… ummm Carpaccio….

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              This reality tv reel is getting a bit too real. I just caught myself holding my breath.

            • Observer

              I’m enjoying CNN’s repeated descriptions of just how exactly a flashbang grenade workes. *eyeroll*

            • Captain Howdy

              try watching Sara Underwood on Faux 25 Boston

              “head falls off”

            • stillgrace

              I’m glad Anderson Cooper is back from Texas.

      • Captain Howdy

        Thanks Tony “Bring ‘Em Back Alive” Ortega. Nice play by play. Glad they didn’t kill him. Anybody who had to spend his childhood in Chechnya deserves at least ONE break.

        • hogarthian

          oh LOL!!!

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    Anderson Cooper just confirmed….he’s in a boat behind a house.

    • stillgrace

      I heard … my son was so impressed that I knew that before “they” announced it.
      edit: Mr. Grace, however, mentioned that I need to get a life.

      • BuryTheNuts2

        He is Jelly , like Mr. Nuts!

    • BuryTheNuts2

      Watching!
      Too surreal!

      • hogarthian

        I’m watching too! I can’t go to bed now…..and it’s 01.40 ffs!

  • Midwest Mom

    Way off topic, but isn’t tonight the night Tommy’s movie Oblivious is showing in the U.S.?

    Boy…what a shame that no one is going to see it tonight. Tough luck for Tom. (To be read in the sarcasm font.)

    He sure has bad luck with movie premier dates in the states, doesn’t he?

    • Observer

      He has all the luck he deserves. Keep pullin’ it in, Tommy!

  • aquaclara

    Anonymous has been great on twitter, as has the Boston Globe.

  • Observer
    • aquaclara

      Thanks. This is a comfortable group to live blog with. Hopefully, this is coming to an end very soon. Best wishes and many hugs to the Boston Bunkerites. May your lives be back in some kind of order soon. You have been in my thoughts all day.

    • Observer

      They’re saying “Suspect in custody, but stay outside the perimeter”. I don’t know if they’re talking about the bomber because they’ve also been talking about a suspicious black bag left in front of Watertown High School, which is also within walking distance of the standoff scene. And someone yelled “Medic! Medic!”

      • Observer

        Confirmed, he’s in custody

      • stillgrace

        Yeah what was with the medic call?

        • Observer

          I just assumed he has some kind of injuries after the shootout last night and tear gas and flashbang grenade a little while ago.

        • Observer

          CNN is saying he burned his legs trying to set off one of the devices (I’m assuming last night)

  • Lulz…..

    • hogarthian

      HA. Right, this is off topic, but related to the above. It’s the most hilarious radio gaff I have ever heard. BBC Radio 4, Today programme, iconic presenter… you really should listen!

      http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/audio/2010/dec/06/james-naughtie-jeremy-hunt-radio-4

    • Bella Legosi

      At least someone had the brass balls to say it! Watching the media scramble to get the scoop and then rehash it over and over like it was new really made me fall asleep around Noon PST!

  • BuryTheNuts2

    Did they get him?

  • aquaclara

    They got em! Woohoo. All the best , Bunkerites!

    • BuryTheNuts2

      R we sure?

      • hogarthian

        We’re sure!

      • stillgrace

        They’re sending in canines now.

        in custody … police scanner confirms

      • aquaclara

        Yes.

        • BuryTheNuts2

          Awesome!!!

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    cnn just reported he’s in custody. Boston police confirming on tweets.

    • Poison Ivy

      Just got a text from Mr.Poison Ivy (I’m on a train to DC). Giant PHEW!

      Thanks for showing CNN (and the New York Post) who’s boss! THE BUNKER!

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Tony never fails to astound and trump his last triumph.

  • aquaclara

    Tony, I truly appreciated your live blogging. Hope you held off on going to dinner until now, so you saw the conclusion of this saga. Ordering cheesesteaks now (steaks).

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    Now the swat lawyer teams should be arriving any minute. Good time to take a break….for the night.

  • BuryTheNuts2

    He is a baby! Stupid, deluded baby….from hell.
    Sad.

    • Observer

      Him throwing his life away is one thing. Him throwing his life away by taking the lives of innocent people is quite something else.

      • BuryTheNuts2

        I have no disagreement.

        • Observer

          It didn’t sound like it, but I was actually agreeing with you in a “you didn’t hear my whole train of thought” kind of way. lol

          • BuryTheNuts2

            You need a good engineer and an even better Caboose!!!

            Kidding!

            • Observer

              Or maybe a whole new track.

              Ha! See what I did there?

            • Bella Legosi

              LOL I love you sometimes Observer, you make my night or day sometimes!

            • Observer

              🙂

    • hogarthian

      I’m very surprised he allowed himself to be taken alive. But of course your average terrorist comes in two varieties, and he’s in the arrogant camp. I can’t wait to hear what shit he comes out with.

  • Boy, it’s going to be fascinating to see what kind of story is going to evolve from this now we have a live suspect…. I have a feeling that there was a big [shadow?] part of the American politburo that would have much preferred that he was shot dead.

    • another amazing analysis of the bomb photo

      • Sherbet

        That’s incredible, and incredibly sad with little Martin right there. Damn (alleged) murderers.

      • Bella Legosi

        Jesus the peeps over at dipshit Jones site were saying that this kid couldn’t have carried such a weight on his shoulder and that the photos didn’t “look” like the bags were packed. *slaps herself out of the sheer stupidity*

    • aquaclara

      Well, there is a part of many of us that would have liked this. We will have to go through years of cases, victims testifying to painful events, people saying he is only a kid and not responsible for his actions, sometimes those who are willing to let someone like this out on bail, etc. That’s when you want it over. But then there is the side of us that says we want to hear the story. And of course, for the families who have suffered so much, we want them to have both peace and justice. Whatever it takes, I wish this for the families -peace and justice.

    • ….. and it’s got a lot more interesting all of a sudden…. this is from Reuters

  • TonyOrtega

    I saw news of the arrest flash on TV as I was finishing my first margarita. Number two is on its way. Here’s to all the Bunker regulars, and let’s hope the kid sings like a canary. (Based on reading his Twitter, see above, I think he will.)

    • BuryTheNuts2

      As for the grace of God go I!

      From a heathen!!!!

    • hogarthian

      yup. he’s not a silent martyr… he’s loud and proud. He’s looking forward to rubbing our faces in it, over and over, with his contempt.

      • Bella Legosi

        I have a bad feeling their aim was to target authority’s. Bombing the Marathon was just the beginning, it has the feel of very very harsh anti-government to it. Kinda like Dorner. But, that is just my theory. When I heard how the campus cop got ambushed and that they let dude go (when they carjacked the car) made me think that maybe just maybe the real targets was the US government and police. What a fucking shame all around! Please have a few for me fellow Bunkerites! I drank all mine yesterday! 😛

    • stillgrace

      I love the way the spontaneous live blog just came together. What a team!

      • hogarthian

        Me too! My beauty sleep has taken one for the team tonight. But that’s ok… I’m Maggie Thatcher to the Bunker’s Ronnie Reagan.. it’s a ‘special’ relationship. (Not a fan of either btw) 😉

      • sugarplumfairy

        That was pretty amazing.. I was out with my usual happy hour crowd but we weren’t very happy.. We watched the news and it was frking amazing giving them Tony’s updates before the news had the info.. Thanks, Tony.. And thanks, Aqua and Observer and everybody else for keeping us posted..

    • Sherbet

      Can I get back to mocking and skewering scientology tomorrow, pleeeze, Uncle Tony?

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Yeah, he’s the little brother, really just a kid, who thinks he’s king of the world. I think the FBI will have his book ready by Sunday.

  • Bella Legosi

    Hey guys, if you want to intergect some serious common sense and thougt please troll infowars.com. i was just on there teading some comments and i feel so ashamed that i have ever listened to dipshit alex jones!

  • Sherbet

    Nearly burst into tears. What a phenomenal job by all law enforcement – local, state, Federal.

    Heal up nicely, little brother. We’re all eager to hear your story.

  • hogarthian

    I said to myself “on Friday, I shall abstain from the vino collapso”. But I feel compelled to celebrate, and anyway, Friday is now yesterday. Cheers!

    • aquaclara

      Ok, ditto. I postponed that bright idea until Monday at the earliest. Do join me! Clink!

  • BuryTheNuts2

    I need to sleep..and decompress…out all!

    Peace, harmony and ML.

  • Davka

    Sigh, meet relief.

    • aquaclara

      All the best, Davka! Happy that this has ended, so you can breathe once again! TGIF indeed! I love the FBI and the Boston PD. Heroes all.

    • Sherbet

      (I don’t know how Ed Harding and Liz Brunner still have any voice left!)

  • Here’s the guy getting arrested
    http://grab.by/lOuM

    • hogarthian

      Bloody hell! Where do you get these images from, so quickly?!

      • twitter was live tweeting the Navy Seal helicopter attack on Bin Laden [admittedly it was a couple of hours before they knew it was actually Bin Laden]

    • above pic was a confirmed twitter pic…. here we have one from the AP

      • what an awful, awful man

        • Bella Legosi

          And that is exactly the type of shit a fucking Orangutang would say……I mean the SON of an Orangutang

        • BuryTheNuts2

          This is why I despise this hair error prick!

          • sugarplumfairy

            Yah.. He needs to say ‘you’re fired’ to his ‘do..

        • sugarplumfairy

          Yay! Medialush!

  • hogarthian

    aaaaaaannnndddd, here it comes folks…… roll the death penalty discussion in 3,2,1….

    • Bella Legosi

      The death penalty is for people like this. Take out innocents for your own selfish cause or reason? Then pay the consequences! Hmmm, wonder how this would have went down had this happened in Russia? Ever heard of Andre Chikatilo (I know I misspelled the hell outta that last name)? That’s what should happen here.

      • hogarthian

        oh, y’know, I love you lot, all of you, but, in retrospect, I shouldn’t have mentioned the death penalty. It’s divisive, emotive, and futile… even amongst people who otherwise have great respect for each other. I don’t think the death penalty is a good idea, in any scenario. If we’re going to preach human rights, in any area, then we need to be seen to be beyond reproach. The death penalty is a minefield. To which offences do you apply it? Should the burden of proof be greater than for crimes that hold lesser penalties? What would the rest of the world think?… when we’re trying to make them behave in a ‘civilised’ manner? For me…. I would rather 10 guilty people were erroneously freed than one innocent person spent the rest of their lives in prison (or put to death). Just my opinion.

        • Bella Legosi

          I understand and the feeling is mutal. I do love a good divisive debate. As for death penalty I say yes, only because I feel should anything horrible done to a family member or friend of mine (and I pray I never shall know what that feels like) I would be of the mind to execute that person. But, I will admit that I do not know what it is like to be in that situation and that I may have very diffrent point of should it ever happen. I like to be as honset as possible with everyone here in the Bunker, even if some of my thougts or theorys may be unpopular, gives me the wonderful chance to listen to what others have to say and in todays world, getting different veiwpoints and prespectives is priceless and enlightening.

          • hogarthian

            oh you’re just gorgeous aren’t you!!!! I thought, for a minute, that I was about to throw my own self under the bus (again). I struggle with the death penalty thing (because of what I do for a living) on a daily basis and, in spite of myself, the onset of age brings with it more of a ‘Daily Mail readers’ approach to the issues of the day. But, I know what’s right, at least I think I do. I hope I do, otherwise a whole generation of young people will be graduating with EXACTLY the same opinions as me! 😉

        • Bella Legosi

          You definately have unarguable valid points in where you mention human rights, burden of proof, and innocent men or women wrongly executed. Sometimes execution is no better then the criminals who perpetrate such crimes. I do think of people like Manson or Cikatilo do not deserve to be on this earth and the very least unable to poison future generations with their maddness and garbage. But that is just my feeling and opinion. But I do agree that if a society does participate in capitol punishment there will always be innocents executed. It is part of a dark beast and as far as executions go that is prolly the darkest beast anyone in society can know without experiencing true horrors on the scale of wars and warcrimes. I am a walking contadiction Hog! thank ya for giving me some food for thought, it wasnt all for naught!

          • hogarthian

            That’s EXACTLY the way i feel about it. But you’re right… it’s a beast, and I’d rather we left it well alone. We should be ‘above’ it. However, there is a part of me that says just quietly euthenise them. It’s ok to be a barrel load of contradictions… at the very least it means that you’re giving it some thought, which is what we should be doing.

            • Bella Legosi

              No worries. It sounds as tho you do your job very well and we should be above it. Most of the world doesn’t execute prisoners, because there are foul ups and in the end murder is murder whether done to a murderer or not. I was thinking after I sent you the last comment about Christians. Here you have a religion that when you think about it, took one of the most horrible ways to be executed to “save” humanity! Now that is a contradiction. lol And I agree that when you do get older your opinions change. I am only 29. So what I may believe now doesn’t mean I will hold the same belief in 20 more years. I probably wont. lol Hell, three to four years ago I was convinced that the New World Order was going to take over the world and we would all have chips lol ok maybe not that bad, but my point is that my world view changes with the times and especially after having discussions like this. So I THANK YOU mah Hogarhian! I would say “mah Lady” or “Sir” but I know not your gender.

            • hogarthian

              “ch ch ch ch changes, time may change me, but I can’t trace time” (Bowie, 1971)… Yup, our opinions evolve, for sure. And…. I’m a (girly, girly, girly) girl. 😉

              edit: it may not be 1971… whatever.

            • Bella Legosi

              Any year is a good year for Bowie! lol Rebel rebel….I prefer Ziggy Stardust and the Spiders from Mars!

  • THEY GOT HIM !!!! They got the 2nd bomber ~ alive and in custody . You like apples ??? How do you like THEM apples !!!

  • sugarplumfairy

    His tweet back in August.. “Boston marathon isn’t a good place to smoke..” Innocent? Or sick joke about his plan.. Sorry if someone already addressed this.. Too many comments to wade through..

    • Bella Legosi

      He could have just been makeing a smoking joke since there are runners. I said the same 6 years back when I worked in downtown PTown on graveyard shift. The Susan Koman Walk for the Cure was in full swing (which I didn’t know when I went on my smoke break) and I got some very choice looks from the walkers and joggers. However, the “cooked” comment is sure to be brought up. Sick bastard.

  • disqus_0MHNN90X5s

    This increase in somewhat bizare ‘home grown terrorists is so odd, like the Stockholm bombing that included a pressure cooker bomb, and instigation tied back to UK Scotland and Luton, ” The state prosecutor said the action was well organised and that authorities presumed the man had help with preparations. The man was wearing a bomb belt and also carried a big bomb and held a metal object in his hands which most closely could be described as a pressure cooker” , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Stockholm_bombings , and the Norway Bomb and shooting attack by Anders Behring Breivik, again ties back to UK at the very odd!!

    • sugarplumfairy

      Cap’n howdy probably explained the similarities when he told us about the Al Qaeda website Inspire..

  • Snippy_X

    So glad to have the real story here. How sad it would be to have to depend on the likes of Huff Post’s totally screwed up take on the video. They didn’t even know which brother was older, never mind the way they mangled the context.

    http://videos.huffingtonpost.com/marathon-bombing-suspects-internet-rant-translated-517750849