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Jefferson Hawkins helps us understand Scientology’s L Rundowns!

Jefferson_Hawkins_ObeyWith the help of experts like Claire Headley and Bruce Hines, we’ve been taking a journey to train as Scientologists. Claire spent years working with Scientology’s “tech,” and was trusted to oversee the auditing of Tom Cruise. Bruce was in Scientology for 31 years and spent about half that time as a senior case supervisor. Go here to see the first part in this series.

For more than a year, we’ve been exploring Scientology’s “Bridge to Total Freedom,” step by step. We last left off after Bruce Hines helped us understand Operating Thetan Level Seven. That leaves us with one final level on the Bridge, OT 8. We plan to dive deeply into that final step on our journey.

But before we do that, we wanted to take a detour. Since we want to end this series on OT 8, we thought we’d do things a little out of order and spend some time now on the “L Rundowns.”

The “L’s,” as they’re known, can come after OT 8, but they also can come at any time after OT 3. They’re a separate set of very expensive rundowns that are supposed to be “boosters” for Scientologists working on their OT levels. At least, that’s how the introduction to the L’s reads in our materials.

The L’s — L10, L11, and L12 — are delivered at Scientology’s spiritual ‘mecca’ in Clearwater, Florida. According to Scientology, they “increase a person’s power and effectiveness.” Also, they are supposed to help a person get through the OT levels faster.

So what’s in L10?

The L10 intro tells us it is “designed to handle the things a thetan uses to restrain himself. The person regains his ability and power to do those things he intends to do and as a result he feels more at cause than ever before.”

To begin, there is a huge amount of review (which seems common for most Scientology processes), and various tests to make sure the subject is in the right frame of mind for the level itself.

L10 then begins with many individual “rundowns” and auditing. The subject is read chains of many words as the auditor looks for reactions on the E-meter.

The subject is also read lists of questions on various “dynamics” — questions related to his relationships (2nd dynamic), the larger group (3rd dynamic) and so on.

Then come questions from a “sec check” (security check, or interrogation). These get rather interesting. Here’s a sample.

Is there some connection you won’t let go of?
Have you ever done a family member in?
Have you ever brutalized another with sex?
Are you best left alone?
Are women stupid?
Do you have a secret desire to annihilate the opposite sex?
Are you spied on?
How powerful do you have to be to be successful?
Are other people necessary?
Have you squashed a thetan out of existence?
Is life worth living?
Are you facing eternity with lack of hope?
Is there hope for man?

Another set of questions is specifically designed to force the subject to admit to “overts” — transgressions that he or she is hiding.

One set of questions is about family. A sample of them…

Have you ever badly raised a child?
Have you ever split up a family?
Have you ever forced a child into an unsuitable profession?
Have you neglected your child’s education?

The next set of questions is about sex.

Have you ever sexually aroused someone and then not satisfied him (her)?
Have you ever made love to a person of the wrong race?
Have you ever made love to a person of the wrong species?
Have you ever used the wrong body part for intercourse?
Have you ever failed to have intercourse with someone you should have?
Have you ever misused sex?

There are many more sets of questions and processes.

For the L Rundowns, we’re turning to our old friend Jefferson Hawkins to help us out. (If you haven’t read the series Jeff did for us on Scientology ethics, you really must.) Jeff, what can you tell us about L10?

JEFFERSON: I was one of the Ls “guinea pigs” in 1971. I was on the Apollo for administrative training — I did the Organization Executive Course and the Flag Executive Briefing Course (which had just been released). Students had been brought in from Orgs all over the world to be trained up and groomed up as the new wave of super-executives for Scientology. The FEBC was supposed to train us to be ruthless “Product Officers” who would relentlessly drive staff to higher and higher stats and never be reasonable with “downstats.” I was 25 at the time. We were treated like VIPs — we were berthed in the A Deck cabins and we ate in the Officers’ Mess.

As part of the overall package, the FEBC students were also supposed to receive these new L Rundowns. They were supposed to make us into super-powerful unstoppable beings. My auditor was the infamous Otto Roos, who was a Class XII Auditor and trained on the L Rundowns. I recall L-10 as being a sort of whole track Sec Check. All of those questions you listed and many more were asked and were taken earlier and earlier until you were running incidents millions or billions of years ago. It was supposed to free up your attention from those ancient misdeeds and make you more powerful in present time. In retrospect I’d have to say that it made me believe that I was more powerful. It gave me a sort of temporary dopamine rush.

Hubbard had announced that no FEBC student would be allowed to leave the ship unless they were “exterior with full perceptics.” This created a lot of excitement. However, as Otto and I were wrapping up the L Rundowns, I expressed to him that I personally wasn’t exterior with full perceptics yet. He told me, in essence, not to worry about it. And Hubbard still went on announcing that every FEBC student left the ship exterior with full perceptics. And of course, being a good Scientologist, I assumed I was the only one who didn’t. Again in retrospect I’m sure that no student left with that kind of “OT” perception.

THE BUNKER: The sec check questions in L10 seem really invasive. Do you have any thoughts about being subjected to that kind of interrogation, and then feeling some kind of euphoria afterwards?

JEFFERSON: It is terribly invasive, but as a Scientologist you get acclimated to it. Your auditor is like your therapist, you open up to him or her and confide everything, all the innermost thoughts and so on. And the auditor is also like a “tough love” therapist, pulling out those things you don’t want to talk about. All of this is done with the supposed assurance that whatever you say is just between you and your auditor. When you realize that isn’t the case — that your sessions are being openly shared and talked about and so on — it sort of breaks the spell. I don’t think Scientologists these days have a deep bond with their auditor.

And yes, generally a session ends with a feeling of euphoria. Auditors are trained to watch for those euphoric moments, any sort of “aha” moment or feeling of well-being, and end off quickly.

THE BUNKER: According to a 2007 price list, L10 takes 50 to 150 hours — so we’ll assume 100, in the middle. And 100 hours of L rundowns auditing runs $72,000

COST THIS WEEK: $72,000

COST SO FAR: $460,805.50

 
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Part 3 of Chris Shelton’s video series on Scientology

Another fascinating installment from Chris — this time about Scientology’s infallibility.

 

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on April 15, 2014 at 07:00

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Learn about Scientology with our numerous series with experts…

BLOGGING DIANETICS (We read Scientology’s founding text) 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25

UP THE BRIDGE (Claire Headley and Bruce Hines train us as Scientologists) 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37, 38, 39, 40, 41, 42, 43

GETTING OUR ETHICS IN (Jefferson Hawkins explains Scientology’s system of justice) 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14

SCIENTOLOGY MYTHBUSTING (Historian Jon Atack discusses key Scientology concepts) 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37, 38, 39, 40, 41, 42, 43

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  • Panopea Abrupta

    $cientology may do the decent and honest thing eventually but only after it has exhausted all the alternatives.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Scientology can’t remove a single wrinkle. If they did, it wouldn’t be scientology anymore.

      http://i.imgur.com/I6qQUZb.jpg

      • Disaffected

        So true, indecency and dishonesty is very much woven into scripture. Remove that and it isn’t scientology anymore.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          I try and explain it to never ins as well as those trying to recreate it outside the bubble.

          Hubbard’s ethics is to scientology as wrinkles are to shar peis.

          • Disaffected

            A very hard nut to crack especially with those who try to recreate it outside the bubble.

  • Sherbet

    Big thumbs-up for Chris Shelton. Scientology’s loss is our gain.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      …and scientologists trying to find their way back to Planet Earth. Those still in now have lived in another world for most if not all their life and that’s not a metaphor. And if it’s been in the Sea Org, Chris Shelton will seem like an alien explorer crossing the vast landscape across the two, beaming an SOS signal and hope of a lifeline out. It’s not a job for the faint of heart and requires a perfect ability to translate the language. One slip of a phrase or false move and they will scurry back. Or hurl stuff. Did I mention the courage requirement for the job? [photo credit: Cosmos]

      http://i.imgur.com/7nkam4e.jpg

  • SvenBoogie

    O/T: I’m sure many people here more broadly familiar with cults know all about this already, but I’m just reading this piece now and hadn’t heard about this group before:

    http://paleofuture.gizmodo.com/synanons-sober-utopia-how-a-drug-rehab-program-became-1562665776/+barrett

    • SvenBoogie

      After reading the piece… hmm… claiming 80 to 100 percent success rates, demanding people go cold turkey… sound familiar?

      • Missionary Kid

        AFAICR, at least they didn’t get a person off of heroin (the main drug they dealt with), then dump them when they didn’t have any money. They weren’t hitting up insurance companies. Their operation was much closer to Homeboy Industries.

        BTW, one of the things that split Synanon into two angry camps was when their fearless leader insisted that members get off the world’s most addictive drug — nicotine.

        • SvenBoogie

          They did, however, offer a ‘rehab’ that consisted entirely of laying around on a couch vomiting until clean, followed by getting together in groups and insulting and screaming at each other, and nothing else.

          • Missionary Kid

            You need to do a lot more reading about Synanon. That’s a vast oversimplification. I was in Santa Monica when it was huge, and while I worked in alcoholism, I spent a lot of time reading up on addiction.

            I think their cure rates are bogus, but they didn’t have the deaths that NarCONon has had, and they were in operation a LOT longer. They were treating primarily heroin addicts, and people didn’t sit around while they were undergoing withdrawal. They had to work and stay active.

            • SvenBoogie

              I certainly acknowledge I need to do more reading into the history of the cult, but ‘the game,’ which seems to have been core to the group, and the cold turkey detox seem to be as I described them, unless you’d like to explain otherwise.

            • Missionary Kid

              First, the game was not as vicious as it turned out to be later on. Dederich started a system that seemed to work at first. It was successful initially because of the system, which, as I remember, was far more benign than what it became later on. I’ll have to say that I don’t remember it being called the game. The basic idea was that you can’t bullshit a bullshitter, and heroin addicts have a well developed ability to bullshit when they’re jonesing. The people in the group, who had been clean knew all of the rationalizations and tricks.

              Initially, that was the purpose of the group. Unfortunately, the whole thing became much more of an ego/domination exercise as Synanon progressed. It’s obvious now, in hindsight, that Dederich, after initial success, assumed that he must be right in his methods. Synanon eventually became about his ideas.

              When a person made the commitment to become sober, they were taken in, and the first thing that they did was have their head shaved, they were given work clothes and put to work doing menial work, whatever they claimed to be feeling. Working kept them focused on something other than drugs.

              They did go cold turkey, however, no matter how much the new person claimed to have withdrawal symptoms, they were told that it was an effort to get more drugs, and to get back to work. I do not know if they had fatalities. Synanon was charged with practicing medicine without a license, but I don’t know the details of that case.

              Now, here is something that will be controversial. There were many GIs in Vietnam who were addicted to heroin in country, but they kicked before they came back to the U.S., because they knew that they would quickly get into trouble at home. The interesting thing that the research showed was that the withdrawal symptoms were not uniform across all the soldiers who kicked, but that they were uniform within the units that they were a part of. The conclusion of the study was that withdrawal symptoms were what the expectations of the addict was.

              Synanon had reached a similar conclusion, and that’s why they put people in withdrawal to work while they were withdrawing. I’m not advocating cold turkey, but Synanon’s goal was to live drug free. In a setting where everyone’s goal is not to use drugs, the success rate is much higher than NarCONon, where the goal is to extract money from the victims and turn them into clams.

              I just had a very bad, viral cold. I felt at times that I’d be better off if you took me out and shot me. Synanon’s theory was that withdrawal was akin to that feeling, but that what they were teaching the newbie was that it would pass, as my cold did. One of their theories was that the fear of withdrawal symptoms often kept a person addicted. They also monitored the person in withdrawal very closely and never left them alone.

              If you were in Synanon, you stayed sober, because if you didn’t, you were kicked out. If you left, the idea was that you were to continue to participate. Unfortuately, the sessions didn’t necessarily prepare a person for living in the real world. Ultimately, Chuck Dederich declared that the only way to stay sober was to live in the communal manner that was espoused as a part of his methods.

              Chuck wasn’t trying to clear the planet, but he was trying to keep people under his control. His paranoia led to the reporter (as I remember it) having a rattlesnake put in his mailbox because he was writing a story critical of Synanon.

              The businesses that Synanon was involved with were extensive, but they were much more like Homeboy Industries than sea org and front group businesses that Co$ has set up to bilk money out of people.

              IMO, what Synanon lacked, among other things, was real guidance by outside, independent oversight. Ultimately, it became all about Chuck Dederich, just as Scientology was all about Ronny Asshole Hubbard. The people involved with Synanon weren’t as isolated psychologically as clams. The game became like auditing, a means for control and a measure of groupthink.

              I had moved out of the Santa Monica area well before Synanon went off the rails, so there may well be a lot that I’m not aware of. $cientology, from the beginning, was a con, and I maintain that Synanon was not.

            • And I don’t rent cars!

              Thanks Mish Kid. That was absolutely fascinating to read.

            • Missionary Kid

              I may have a Pollyanna attitude about Synanon, but I haven’t explored the cult to the extent that I did $cientology. I do have the advantage of being around it when it was a vibrant, well-intentioned group. I thought they were weird but benign. That could have been all P.R. At least they weren’t basically trying to rip people off.

            • RMycroft

              It lives on in various spin-offs.
              The Cult That Spawned the Tough-Love Teen Industry August 20, 2007, Maia Szalavitz, Mother Jones

            • Missionary Kid

              Thanks. As I said, I was exposed to it early. It appears that I probably missed all of the crap that happened later.

              I’m sure that there are some links to Synanon, but I find the links a bit weak. Maybe, on further research, I’ll find more. The article doesn’t really go beyond the chart in giving proof. There is a strong aspect of tough love to Alanon be cited as being distorted as well.

              One thing that probably happened is that they felt they were being successful, so they tried to apply what may have worked on one type of problem to general drug problems, perceived or real. Big mistake.

              One of the problems with dealing with drugs is that families are often unaware of the extent that they are enabling or are too afraid to stop enabling someone who is using, and other families panic and don’t realize that they need to be a real part of the solution. They often turn to heavily marketed tough love programs that do little to treat the whole family.

              The operations like that do a lot to do, like NarCONon, to prey on the guilt and desperation of families who are more than willing to hand the addict or suspected addict to someone else to someone else to “cure” the addict.

    • Mark

      There was almost nothing Tublard didn’t plagiarise. I wonder if Reader’s Digest ever mentioned Synanon?

      • SvenBoogie

        It’s creepy now that I’ve read the whole article how much of it mirrors $cientology.

        • Missionary Kid

          It’s a study in how absolute power corrupts. It ended up being quite incestuous because Dederich basically ruled all by himself. For a while, it was the second largest landowner in Santa Monica. General Telephone was the largest, as they had their headquarters and their equipment yards there.

      • Missionary Kid

        AFAIC, Synanon had a period of several years where they actually did some good. Hubtard? Barely any, and whatever good done felt by an individual was quickly turned into manipulation.

        • Panopea Abrupta

          And the whole vitamin overdosing was courtesy of Hubbard and Mary Sue, influenced by Adele Davis books.

    • Missionary Kid

      Look up the snake in the mailbox incident. That is how the cult ended up.

  • Pierrot

    I Checked the complains procedures for Craigslist spams, they have changed the system and you do not have to be from the area to complain.
    For those who feel that something should be done about $cientology spams on Craiglists here is what I found out:

    Complain to CL about scientology abuse of CL TOU.

    CL has changed their complain system: all you need is an email address, check it out
    Go to http://boston.craigslist.org/contact for Boston, replace boston by the cl area / city name you want to complain about.
    Select : option -> flagging, terms of use (TOU) violation, scams
    Then : option –> Someone is spamming or overposting on craigslist –> To report spam, Contact us
    (Click on Contact us)

    Fill in your complain and give a few Post Ids that you will found at the Bottom line (left) of the ads

    Do not forget to do some flagging:

    https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-73#post-2445498

    Ty Ap

  • 1subgenius

    Just days ago here, I posted that I didn’t think Scientologists golf. Well I still say they don’t, but per Rinder’s blog, the UK orgs are having a fund-raising tournament!
    http://www.mikerindersblog.org/ideal-golf/

    Here’s my post there:

    “Just days ago I posted at Tony’s that I didn’t think they golf. Its way too zen.
    This is probably the first ever, and I think its a very good thing. I believe the peace, serenity, balance and harmony necessary for golf, in addition to the fresh air and beautiful environment, could actually re-wire some brains.
    Could see some blow after a round. I’m serious.
    BTW, a few years back I called the course at Gold to book a tournament. Hilarity ensued.”

  • Bury_The_Nuts

    One set of questions is about family. A sample of them…

    Have you ever badly raised a child?
    Have you ever split up a family?
    Have you ever forced a child into an unsuitable profession?
    Have you neglected your child’s education?

    Um, yeah………..
    Talk about trick questions!

    • Disaffected

      If you engage in scientology your honest answer should be a resounding YES to all the questions! Cash registrar clanging for the cult!

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      They’re ALL trick questions.

    • Snake Plissken

      Have you ever badly raised a child?
      Have you ever split up a family?
      Have you ever forced a child into an unsuitable profession?
      Have you neglected your child’s education?

      No I’m not as damaged as L. Ron Hubbard.

      next set of questions please

      ….

      No I’m not as damaged as L. Ron Hubbard.

      next set of questions please

      ….

  • Snake Plissken

    Are women stupid?
    Do you have a secret desire to annihilate the opposite sex?
    Is life worth living?
    Are you facing eternity with lack of hope?
    Is there hope for man?

    Correct me if I’m wrong but aren’t these morons already supposed to be ‘Clear’ at this point? If so, then why the fuck do they need to be asked these questions? Aren’t they already supposed to have their shit together enough to be beyond thinking these thoughts?

    • Disaffected

      Evil purposes man, evil purposes. Tubby saw all of humanity in his image. Evil bastards! Go find your prior confusions… as if HE had a clue about confusions.

  • jeff

    Ok…Am I the only one to notice this…In an apparent contradiction, engrams can be gotten during the fetal period, yet a thetan has to go to a hospital to pick up a body to reside in. How can this be? Does the thetan-less gentetic entity receive the the engram and store it in it’s bank and wait for the thetan to discard it once it finds the engram in its bank in its reactive mind? I am confused.

    • Disaffected

      Its hazardous for your mind to make sense of that shit. You’d be better off not understanding it.

    • Jimmy3

      Yes, and in another obvious contradiction, one summary of “the L’s” explains that a major part of its purpose is to convince one that they are not the same person as they were in a past life. Yet, so much of Scientology involves the belief that everyone is a Thetan, and as such they have lived multiple lives. The goal is to handle engrams obtained during past and present lives (until one has spent enough money and the goal shifts towards removing all BTs).

      So… Which is it, do you need to correct the “bad stuff” from these past lives, or do you need to be convinced that you’re a completely different person?

      The answer I have always received when asking these types of questions is that I am foolishly attempting to apply logic to a system conceived with the absence of logic.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        The premise on the lower half of the bridge is that your past traumas and confusions are dictating your behavior instead of you being in charge. The people in the incidents, whether it be you, or others, have power over your will and choice and decisions. The auditor helps you uncover these hidden influences with another premise that they are completely buried and hidden. If you were aware of them, they would have little power and eventually they will vanish.

        The premise on the upper half of the bridge is just speeds off into space opera with the difference that this time everyone has had the same traumatic experiences and now those “influences” become invisible body thetans stuck on you. Brings a whole new meaning to Attachment Issues.

        The theme throughout is ridding yourself of personality traits that aren’t yours so you become more You. I never know if I’m making any sense when I try to type these things out. Hope it helps.

        • Jimmy3

          Your explanation makes sense, but what you’re explaining makes no sense. 🙂

  • And I don’t rent cars!

    WARNING: Sorry. This is too damn tl;dr again. I promise I’ll teach myself to write in tweet lengths (140 character or less) soon. Or you can simply collapse my comment without reading it. For new Disqus users, hover your cursor over the upper right hand side of any comment and click on the — symbol. It will collapse a comment or a thread.)

    As most of us have concluded, Dianetics and Scientology were developed by Hubbard to run his own “case” through and to help himself. The rest of it just a simply a convenient outgrowth of his science fiction writing, his need to feed his ego with the “universal solvent” of Admiration and to feed his bank account with sales of his written works. It’s much more complex than that, but the rest of it we’ve pretty much come to agreement on as well. Most of us have also concluded that Hubbard was not capable of original thinking (except perhaps in inventing and redefining words in the English language) but was an intellectual kleptomaniac. It doesn’t take much research into the late 40’s through to the middle 70’s to find the original sources he “borrowed from” (i.e., plagiarized) for his “research” and research findings. One simply needs, for the most part, to look at the ideas from various disciplines that were splashed across headlines, featured in magazine articles, found on the relatively new medium of television, depicted in movies, or subjects that were increasingly discussed outside of academic circles and academic research labs to find Hubbard’s influences and sources.

    This morning, as I was looking over the L-10 rundown questions dealing with the Second Dynamic (sex and relationships), out of habit I wondered from which sources and whose ideas Hubbard had “borrowed” from. At first, not wanting to waste much time thinking about it (Hubbard + Sex = Repulsion), I glibly thought, “I bet he put together the list of sex related questions by culling his secret stash of Playgirl magazines from the 50 – 60’s or his wife’s “Cosmopolitan” magazine (Helen Gurley Brown, editor in chief from 1966-97, self declared feminist) – both of which influenced and, in turn, were influenced by the 60’s – 70’s “sexual revolution.”

    But then later on, I remembered earlier and even more influential publications by Alfred Kinsey and his Kinsey Institute that studied human sexuality. I did a quick search and sure enough, Alfred Kinsey published, “Sexual Behavior in the Human Male,” in 1948, followed by “Sexual Behavior in the Human Female” in 1953.

    The findings excerpted from these books plus the periodic publication of the survey results conducted by his Kinsey Institute had a big cultural impact and were splashed in newspaper headlines and featured in the big glossy magazines of the times with great fanfare and would often elicit shock and moral outrage or indignation from mainstream America during that era. The Kinsey Reports tackled subjects that were still considered taboo in North American society. The survey questions, researcher methodologies, statistics, etc., were either published or were available from the Institute itself. I suspect these had a special fascination or Hubbard as he seemed particularly preoccupied, as seen from his affirmations and Dianetics, with his own sexuality in terms of his impotence, lack of libido, inability to stop masturbating, and his latent misogyny. And without doing much research to confirm my suspicions, I’m quite sure that if I compared the questions asked of his study participants, I would find many of them of those questions repeated or paraphrased in Hubbard’s L10 Rundown. [If anyone has made the comparisons, I’d love to hear the results. Wouldn’t mind finding out my tinfoil hat is on too tight either.]

    It’s a compounding tragedy that Hubbard not only made a fortune by convincing his followers that his “case” was in fact their “case” but he also managed to pervert and pathologize their natural, basic human sexuality into a “case” which Hubbard determined and classified as “wrong” and which needed to be fixed with Dianetics and Scientology – cases and processes he imagined and created using the contents of his own fears, phobias, biases, prejudices, and ignorance. And out of these materials of the mind, HIS own mind, he managed to create a system of Ethics that only served to invert and pervert human sexuality and human relationships to such degrees of pathology that it can probably only be matched by scientology itself.

    To be blunt, he effected six decades of children, men, women, friends, families, relationships, and marriages, mostly ruined, by his inability to get “it” up. Un-f*cking-believ-able. And now we see, Miscavige, running his own “case” right through the lives of countless individuals and their relationships and being equally “cause” over their “ruin.”

    I am not only immobilized by the constant repetition of, “How could this be? How can this still be happening in this day and age? How can this madness be stopped?” but I am also paralyzed by profound grief at the thought of the scale of this tragedy and the length of time it will take for people to heal and reclaim their sexuality, their bodies, and their minds.

    • Missionary Kid

      While the Hubster borrowed a lot of his ideas from other sources, I doubt he borrowed any from the Kinsey report. Because my fundamentalist Christian background had what is basically an anti-sexual leaning, I was profoundly ignorant of sex. My first year in college, I sat down and read Kinsey.

      The main thing that I came away from it was that human sexual behavior was much more varied than what I had been led to believe. Hubbard would not have reached the same conclusion. He was a product of the 1920s and 30s, and while he himself had engaged in very unusual sexual practices, he truly had a double standard about sexual matters that still permeates our American society. His outward attitudes were quite Victorian, while his personal behavior was anything but.

    • Espiando

      Or you could have been inspired by my name-dropping of Kinsey early this morning. Then again, taking full credit for an idea is very Hubbardian, and perhaps unavoidable when dealing with this subject.

      • Missionary Kid

        What I learned from Kinsey that I remember now, over 50 years after reading it, was that sexual behavior, even in the face of severe punishment, was far different than what society told us was “normal”.

        • Espiando

          Dude, I was calling him out, not talking about Kinsey.

          • Missionary Kid

            Thanks.

          • And I don’t rent cars!

            Psst… come closer so I can whisper… which “him” are you referring to? If you were referring to “moi”, you may want to rethink your assumption. Not that I care. Nor is it important. But I know you like to get your facts straight, so I thought you’d like to have that pointed out. Sorta. Kinda. Maybe. Oh fuck it. Do you care? Nah, neither do I. Forget I brought it up. I never spoke. In fact, I was never here. Just sayin.

      • And I don’t rent cars!

        Oooh, did you mention Kinsey? I’ll dig through the comment pile and find it then. I’m sure I’ll like your comment better.

        Or are your OT powerz such that you are able to implant the name Kinsey into my brain telepathically? Nice. I like the idea. It’s also a little frightening. If my the contents of my dreams change dramatically overnight and I find myself in the backroom of a leather bar, chained to the wall wearing a Bugs Bunny outfit or something, I’m gonna know you’re the one messin’ with my mind.

        Good night, Espi. Elevator stops at L11 next.

  • nottrue
    • Baby

      Yippee Skippee… Fabulous write up Nottrue

  • Baby

    You may not think this is on topic..but it is. This is for all of us. Just watch and be inspired take a pause to how much work we have all put in. How humane we all are. This is for the Bunker. For the Sensitive ones you might want to grab a Kleenex. Love Baby

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-Qj7WLRqyQ#t=141

  • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

    Alexa update for Apr. 15: *refresh for images*

    Tony: US rank #21,848 – down 12 from yesterday. (Average rank last 3 months: 17,201)
    Scientology: US rank #59,975 – down 881 from yesterday. (Average rank last 3 months: 45,436)

    Difference: 38,127 – 869 more than yesterday. (Average difference last 3 months: 28,234)

    Clicks from India – 12,1% today.

    • Disaffected

      Thanks Johnny. Do they only use Indian click farms? I imagine there might be other developing countries that can be used to make Mac happy Slappy look good. Any numbers or ideas you have on that?

      • Robert Eckert

        Alexa shows whatever countries happen to be the big percentage contributors to the clicks. India has always been prominent for scientology dot org

      • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

        What Alexa shows today is that, other than The US and India the country with most visitors to their site is Canada.

        I am sure that there could be SO members being told to frequent their site, although they’re probably not being told that it’s to keep the stats up, that may lead to suspicion, I’m guessing.

        The relative high numbers of Indian visitors can only mean click farmers. I imagine that Slappy would be spending as little as possible on click farming, and what could be cheaper than India..? What COB is getting for his money could be debated, as the farming isn’t exactly giving great results. Still, let him throw his money at this; he’s bound to see it’s a waste sooner or later, and when he stops using them he will drop even further on the rankings.

        • Robert Eckert

          Cambodia could be cheaper than India, but evidently they haven’t built up the infrastructure.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Thank you.

      This is like watching a condor slowly gliding over a floundering desert rat…

  • SvenBoogie

    Bit of a random tangent.

    I have a hard time on the topic of $cientology (and in general, but that’s another conversation) not feeling fatalistic given the extent to which the cult has been able to get away with what it does. I’d be interested to hear how others deal with it if/when starting to feel like there isn’t any hope in getting those with the power to do anything to actually care…

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist
      • SvenBoogie

        I get your point, but I wish you hadn’t posted that image.

      • Barbara Angel

        The snake is an amateur he’s got it all wrong. Mustravage has his ‘head’ up his own bum and is enjoying the view. So I’d like to see if the snake can (like mustravage does) fit its head up its own bum?

      • Sarah James

        Can we name it davy?

      • Robert Eckert
        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          oh my freakin’ god. Holy crap. You just made my Cap’n Howdy look normal. Oh my freakin’ gawd.

          • Captain Howdy

            The really disturbing thing about it is that some sick fuck cut this snakes head off just to make this video.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Allender? heh

            • Robert Eckert

              Uh no… he had no idea this was going to happen. He cut the head off because he doesn’t want a poisonous snake around. Most people kill poisonous snakes on their property immediately, unless they are insane. He video’d it because the amount of time that snakes continue to live without their heads is rather fascinating, although he did not expect to see something even more fascinating.

            • Captain Howdy

              Yeah, because poisonous snakes kill so many people every year in America right? He has a statistically better chance of being killed by a neighbor or a family member than that snake. And copperheads are only mildly poisonous, no one has died from a copperhead bite in a 100 years. Without snakes to eliminate “pests”, humans would have gone extinct long ago.

            • EnthralledObserver

              Maybe it’s because I’m Aussie, and our snakes tend to be quite venomous… but I’m with Robert… kill it… KILL IT!
              *shudder*

            • Captain Howdy

              Snakes are an integral part of the world’s ecosystems, which is more than you can say for humans unless you mean as a destructive force upon them.

            • Robert Eckert

              Few snake species are endangered, and the copperhead is far from being one of them. You are sounding like one of those naive city kids that make the country boys wonder how you even stay alive.

            • EnthralledObserver

              Have you been brainwashed by Greenies?

            • Robert Eckert

              I think the reason that snakes don’t kill so many people has everything to do with the fact that when poisonous snakes are discovered where people are living, they are immediately killed.

            • Missionary Kid

              Also, for the most part, snakes realize that a body so much larger than themselves represents danger, so they stay away. Unfortunately, some of the places that they choose to go put them close to people, who may not be aware of them, and appear to the snake as threatening because they might not have an escape route or a nasty disposition.

            • Free Minds, Free Hearts

              Do more people die from scientology (untreated cancer and mental illness, suicide) than snake bites each year?

          • Baby

            Thanks Hole.. I’ll Pass.. ugh

        • And I don’t rent cars!

          That was really disturbing to watch. In fact I couldn’t watch it all but kept on listening to the audio. Couldn’t help but think that’s exactly what Miscavige would do to himself after he ran out of victims. Err, I mean parishioners.

        • Wow!

    • Captain Howdy

      Drink and get even more negative and nasty.

      • SvenBoogie

        Negativity is relative. Don’t think I got nasty (on here… =P)

        • Captain Howdy

          I didn’t mean you, I meant me. That’s how I deal with my fatalism.

          • Baby

            Paxil

    • Elar Aitch

      Remember that at most there are only 20000 people left in the world involved in this mess.

    • EnthralledObserver

      I remember that Davey Makemerich is not immortal… he’ll die eventually. I’m hoping sooner as a result of stroke or heart attack from the stress, which is ramping up everyday at the moment.
      It may not end there, but aside from LRonny (who is already dead), he’s the greatest criminal currently… and without him it may all crumble even quicker.

  • media_lush
  • Barbara Angel

    Eureka I’ve got it, the different species thing is a warning against animals. This happened after a goat accidentally backed into LRH while he was having a pee in the woods.
    Now seriously wondering if ‘wee davey’ had a predisposition to doggies from a young age? Bit of a worry about a person who insists people salute his uniformed Beagles? Oh my beautiful beagle your fur looks extra fetching today, slip off your uniform come to papa and sit on my knee.

  • TX Lawyer

    Litigation Update:

    I haven’t seen anybody note this before, so apologies if it’s already been covered. I took a look at the court of appeals’ docket sheet today for the anti-SLAPP appeal, and noticed that Team CSI has added a new law firm to the appeal. The law firm is Vinson & Elkins, which is one of the largest Texas-based law firms, with additional offices in major cities around the country and the world. The V&E attorneys who are now listed on the case are Tom Leatherbury and Marc Fuller. I know Leatherbury a bit, having litigated against him on at least one occasion. He’s handled a number of First Amendment/defamation/media rights cases in the past, so the anti-SLAPP stuff should be right up his alley. He was, in my experience, a straight shooter who was pretty methodical in his work.

    Also, the trial court’s docket sheet indicates that a couple of unspecified motions were filed yesterday by Dave Lubow and Monty Drake. No idea what they might relate to.

    • media_lush

      scientology… when in doubt, add more lawyers!

    • Guest

      Tom Leatherbury – is this a good or a bad thing?

      • TX Lawyer

        Just a thing, I think. He’s a good lawyer, and a very good appellate lawyer, but I don’t piss my pants at the thought of going up against him.

        • Guest

          Fascinating stuff, learning so much about the law thanks to you. Thanks so much.

          Apparently, working knowledge of the law for commoners is rare in most countries, and I just recently have come to appreciate what a luxury it is that so many non-lawyer citizens in the US understand some basic premises of law, and they feel protected by it.

        • Guest

          “I don’t piss my pants at the thought of going up against him.”

          His intelligence has perhaps been telegraphed by who he chose to represent

          • Robert Eckert

            Very good lawyers very often take very bad clients. You cannot practice law for long if you are not willing to deal with people who have caused the majority of their own problems: that is going to be the case with most of your clients.

          • Once_Born

            Maybe it’s the inherent weakness of his case, not his intelligence, that has been telegraphed.

    • Vaquera

      My ex was a partner and section head at VE until 4 years ago (all together, he practiced at VE for over 15 years). I know both Tom Leatherbury and Marc Fuller, but I know Leatherbury better. I have been to his house for dinner and vice versa, plus we’ve chatted at many parties over the years. Socially, he is a really nice guy. Professionally, my ex holds him in high regard. I wish I could give the Bunker juicier information on which to chew.

      • TX Lawyer

        If there’s anything juicy about Tom Leatherbury, I’ve never heard of it. 🙂 Your report corresponds with everything I know about him. Good lawyer, very professional, quite friendly.

        • Vaquera

          Bingo.

        • Vaquera

          Are you at all surprised that VE has taken the case?

          • TX Lawyer

            More surprised that Scientology went to V&E, since I don’t think Tom or his firm hold any particular sway with the Austin Court of Appeals or the Texas Supreme Court. V&E has an Austin office, but Tom and Marc Fuller are both based in Dallas. As for taking on controversial clients: Enron, anybody?

            • Vaquera

              Agreed. Yetter Coleman might have been a better choice when considering Austin and Texas appellate work, even though they are based in Houston.

              Enron. Yeah, I vicariously lived that one night and day from the litigating “get our VE ass out of here” side of the debacle.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Just wow. This conversation is fascinating and enlightening. I know scientology has always sought out and paid for the high rollers in First Amendment litigators in cases where they think they might have a chance of losing.

              What I am surprised about is the fact that new legal teams can be thrown down in the mix mid stream of a case. Is this common or an extra ordinary legal move and do either of you extrapolate from it that Miscavige plans to play the religious card to the Supreme max?

            • TX Lawyer

              It is not surprising or unusual to add new appellate lawyers to the team when a case is taken up on appeal. Leatherbury has plenty of appellate experience, and that is a specialized skill set that I suspect Cedillo et al. may lack. In fact, now that I think about that, I wouldn’t be surprised if Leatherbury was brought into the case at the recommendation of Cedillo or someone else on his team. I have no idea if they’ve worked together previously, but such relationships are frequently how appellate lawyers are brought into a case.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Thanks. So when an appeal is made, new specialists can come into play. It’s like when your doctor does all the tests and check ups, but needs to send you to a specialist. That makes sense. And scientology is sending in a First Amendment specialist team for surgery.

            • TX Lawyer

              Yep, exactly so. But smart and well-heeled clients often bring in appellate attorneys to keep an eye on the trial court proceedings to make sure error is preserved and to help prepare for the anticipated appeal. That’s why Wallace Jefferson was sitting through all the Miscavige/RTC proceedings before those guys ever headed to the court of appeals.

            • Vaquera

              In your opinion, has Co$ set aside Jefferson in favor of a new appellate team? How would he react to this infusion of talent?

            • TX Lawyer

              No, not at all. Jefferson represents RTC and Miscavige in the mandamus proceeding. V&E represents CSI in the anti-SLAPP appeal. Given their legal strategy of throwing CSI under the bus while trying to protect RTC and Miscavige, it is completely unsurprising that CSI would have separate appellate counsel. You can be certain that both teams are collaborating extensively behind the scenes.

            • Guest

              Could that collaboration be used to help bring down the shell corporation mirage?

            • TX Lawyer

              No. Joint defense privilege.

            • Guest

              O jeez, this is making my blood boil. I should have been a lawyer!!

            • Vaquera

              Thank you, Counsellor. Though I would never wish to still be married to my ex, the fly-on-the-wall option at this point is mighty tasty. However, it would be really tough to have insider “pillow talk” information and not be able to share it with the Bunker. I have a very shiny halo and would never break the seal.

            • Guest

              Great to have you here in the Bunker, Vaquera

            • Vaquera

              Thank you, Guest.

            • TX Lawyer

              In definitely understand. I have no inside knowledge of anything Scientology-related, but it’s always tempting to gossip about juicy or interesting cases. At least the lawyers get to do so with their co-workers. Spouses, not so much.

            • And I don’t rent cars!

              Thank you for spending time with us again. I feel so lucky to have you drop by this way and give us mini impromptu courses on U.S. state and federal law, especially as it relates to Monique Rathbun’s case.

              Wishing you a lovely Easter weekend.

            • TX Lawyer

              De nada. Also, it’s only Tuesday.

            • And I don’t rent cars!

              Yes, I know but didn’t know if you’d pop back in before the weekend. Where I live, Easter weekend starts late Wed afternoon when most people leave work early. Federal and provincial departments and offices are closed from Thursday to next Tuesday a.m.

            • TX Lawyer

              And a happy Labor Day to you too!

              🙂

            • And I don’t rent cars!

              🙂

              Work to live vs. live to work? I wish everyone had the choice and could make that decision for themselves.

            • TX Lawyer

              A joke. Labor Day is the antithesis of any actual labor. It’s just the next American holiday day off.

            • And I don’t rent cars!

              I know. I got it. The irony for us here is most everyone works or ignores Labor Day. I’m glad to see that in the U.S. where there are short vacations and few long weekends off, at least Labor Day is still respected and honored as a day off.

            • GalacticGreg

              Wow! Cars – I’m a-wanna move there. Where? Canada? (if you don’t mind revealing…)

            • Robert Eckert

              You are old Father William, your teeth are too weak, for anything tougher than suet. Yet you ate the whole goose, with the bones and the beak, pray tell me how can you do it?
              In my youth, said the father, I practiced the law, and argued each case with my wife. And the muscular strength which it lent to my jaw has lasted the rest of my life.

            • Vaquera

              It kind of makes my heart ache that someone i know socially, whose kids have been friends with my kids, someone I know to be a sensible person, is now a party to the scientology carnival. The law makes very strange bedfellows.

            • Guest

              You can use your personal influence to make sure good law happens. Justice should prevail.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Vaquera, my hubby and I had a life long friend who wouldn’t talk much about what he did in his practice. We always encouraged him in his endeavors as he was a big hearted lug, and brilliant, just so brilliant and talented in a variety of fields. It was also a mid life career change and it took so much for him and his family to make it happen. It was a shock to us to learn what his job had been. But it only lasted a year. We all can make bad choices, especially when times are tough, but there’s no denying it leaves its mark on ‘ya.

            • Vaquera

              Thanks, hon. I’m such a big softy and all I want in the world is for everyone to get along.

            • Baby

              Rodney King quote ; /

            • Vaquera

              ???

            • Techie

              “Why can’t we all just get along?” – Rodney King, victim of a beating by police that sparked riots when the police were acquitted.

            • Vaquera

              Thx. I know him, just didn’t remember the quote.

            • Baby
            • Guest

              Me too:)

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              I’m older and crustier. I just want no one to sue me 🙂

            • Artoo45

              A few well chosen words at the right time . . .

            • Vaquera

              IANAL, but rather gleaned what I could from the viewpoint of a lawyer-spouse over 25 years. Then again, I also worked at a boutique law firm in a non-attorney capacity and ended up working on many appellate cases (some of which curdled my blood) where the subject is the point of law, not the likability of the client.

              TX Lawyer is the go-to resource for serious answers.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              I’ve known three lawyers. One ran screaming from her field of law and in her 50’s garnered her master’s degree in music, got herself some religion and works with major church choirs and orchestras. Another went into law in his 50’s, helped kick people out of their homes, got kicked to unemployment for some years but now works for state and actually helps mothers stay in their homes by kicking (verified) deadbeat dads to the curb. The other is one kick ass, mofo woman who works for peanuts in legal aide and is one of my other personal heroes. I learned from them the law is not what you think it is. I’m learning bit by bit what it actually is here on the Bunker thanks to Tony and the legal minds who take the time to explain. I hope they all know how much it is not only appreciated but how it might lead to those lurking to come forward or at least leave.

            • Elar Aitch

              ” I learned from them the law is not what you think it is. I’m learning bit by bit what it actually is here on the Bunker thanks to Tony and the legal minds who take the time to explain. I hope they all know how much it is not only appreciated but how it might lead to those lurking to come forward or at least leave”

              ^^^^this.

              I find myself thinking “but it’s just not right/fair” but am left strangely confident that the legal system somehow works.

              These cases aren’t ultimately about the win because history has shown that Scientology doesn’t win court cases. So much is about the journey and what can be achieved along the way in terms of interpretation of law and providing courage to others.

            • Barbara Angel

              Maybe it’s any attention is better than none. Win or lose the case they get maximum publicity. 5 min of fame anyone?

          • Artoo45

            No more than I’m surprised that Gensler has designed all their Ideal Orgs. As much as I am a total design whore, I couldn’t take that commission.

        • AutOmatic

          …except he is now working for $cientology…which is worthy of much public shaming from his friends/acquaintances, and any other publics. Anyone even giving that vile, criminal organization the time of day should be subject to the aforementioned public shaming…or at least give him and his buddies the middle finger if you ever see them.

          • Missionary Kid

            I hate to see anyone working for Co$, but attorneys are like doctors in that they do the best for the people who come to them. I’m not going to hold it against them personally.

            If they do well, it enhances their reputation. If they don’t, it’s because their client sucks, or the facts suck. I believe both are true for anything attached to $cientology.

            • AutOmatic

              Whoa…attorneys are NOT like doctors at all…they have a choice. Doctors take an oath to help anyone who needs help:

              “The Hippocratic Oath (horkos) is one of the most widely known of
              Greek medical texts. It requires a new physician to swear upon a number
              of healing gods that he will uphold a number of professional ethical
              standards.”

              …lawyers can choose who they wish to represent, and don’t take any oaths, they are merely held to a standard of possible “disbarment”:

              “Generally disbarment is imposed as a sanction for conduct indicating
              that an attorney is not fit to practice law, willfully disregarding the
              interests of a client, or engaging in fraud which impedes the
              administration of justice.”

              It mentions nothing of the possibility that who they might represent could possibly get people pissed off at them, and thereby publicly shame them.

              I definitely think they should personally be held accountable for who they represent. Especially if they represent Captain Bloodsucker and his evil $ciloon empire :p

            • Missionary Kid

              Sorry, but I don’t agree about holding lawyers accountable for their clients. There were a whole series of brave attorneys who represented clients in civil rights cases that lead to Brown vs. Board of education and other decisions.

              In their communities, and even states, those people who took on civil rights cases were considered as slime and worse in the communities they worked in because those communities were racist. Those attorneys often paid the price for defending an unpopular person in the white community.

              What about attorneys in the Innocence Project? Families of victims often consider them as the worst people in the world because they have gotten off or released a person they still consider guilty.

              I’m sorry to see a person represent anything to do with $cientology, but at least a principled attorney will act ethically (in wog terms, and not according to the Co$ definition) in a way that won’t involve the typical lies and deception of the cult.

      • Guest

        I’m personally curious how in Law, perhaps a good lawyer representing a BAD client, can in some way create good case law to benefit everyone

      • Guest

        Be careful about your privacy, Scientology will start to watch you

    • Guest

      They have a plethora of lawyers:)

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mTUmczVdik

      • Barbara Angel

        But Mustravage is the top Bandito.

    • Ruby

      Thank you TX Lawyer.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist
    • Troy MacGyver SP

      We appreciate you,TX lawyer!

    • Troy MacGyver SP

      We appreciate you,TX lawyer!

    • RMycroft

      It does have a spin-off benefit of blocking V&E from taking anti-Scientology clients down the line, unless they’re big enough to do some partitioning. Probably not a factor in this case, but CoS likes to spread retainers around for that sort preemptive blocking.

  • Panopea Abrupta

    Red-X Red-X Red-X

    Stop the clam scam spam.

    Scroll down for the freshest ads

    https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-73

    ty ap

    • Barbara Angel

      I’ve tried to do this before but not having an American address or stupid zip code I wasn’t allowed to complain. Had a quick look and It seems they’ve changed the rules? Will go and try later.

      • Panopea Abrupta

        Get a throwaway alter-ego e-mail address.
        Try Boston – he really spams.

        • Barbara Angel

          Thank you PA, in the past they demanded American addresses etc and this had to be filled in order to progress with the online complaint form. Yes Boston is trying to unload heaps of shitty books that no one wants. Just another way of fund raising and hoping to snare some more fresh victims. Disgusting absolutely disgusting scammers. Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr I go every day and flag in *two hour blocks*, its my way of giving service to the community and helps stop a lot of head shaking and teeth gnashing. We have to do something to protect people from themselves.

  • Sydjazz

    Oh yay another video

  • richelieu jr

    “The Wrong Race”

    I hate those guys!

    • Missionary Kid

      That’s just one reason. I’ll add that I also hate them because of the homophobia, their arrogance, and the mendacity that is imbedded in the very DNA of Co$.

      • Troy MacGyver SP

        Yeah,the whole thing fucking sucks!

        • Missionary Kid

          AMEN!

  • Techie

    Just wanted to thank you Chris for your excellent series of videos. They go to the heart of the matter and are clearly explained. You mention the fact that Scientology is stuck and can’t change or improve – actually there was once a mechanism for improvement. There is an HCOPL that outlines the procedure for submitting a new issue. I tried to do it once, and got slapped down for trying. The history is that in the 70’s issue types were created that allowed issues and improvements to be created, with the proviso that if they contradict Ron, Ron wins. There were the Board Technical Bulletins and Board Policy Letters. When I started in ’73 most of the courses were these Board issues with a few real Ron issues thrown in to give basic concepts. When the Red and Green Volumes came out (red for technical issues, green for policy) there were loads of these issues. Notably the Volume VI on Division VI, the public divisions, was put together by Diana Hubbard and was almost all board issues. Not because Diana didn’t like Hubbard, but because there was not much written by Ron about the public divisions. Then in the late ’70s I think Ron “found out” about all these non-Ron issues and had them all pulled. So the pendulum swung from “whee! lets make tons of issues however we want” to “Ron only locked in steel”. This was part of the DM takeover, where anyone deemed to have any real power but not under DM’s thumb was ejected or punished into submission. From this comes the pretext of “Ron only!” from DM while he creates wild distortions like GAG II and patter drills. He can always pretend he “discovered” some lost tech by creating a Frankenstein’s Monster from some old scraps of Ron writings that are lying around, or claim that something was mis-transcribed etc. So in actual fact Scientology can change, by trickery and deceit, but sadly the one with the power to do it has no idea what to do, does not understand Scientology or use it himself and is well aware that it is a false promise based on a false premise intentionally designed to deceive. Tick Tock.

    • Troy MacGyver SP

      Yeah,stuck on a one way intergalactic non-refundable ticket to,
      nihilistic delusion & failure!

      • Artoo45

        You say that like it’s a bad thing . . .

    • Barbara Angel

      Yep well said. He knows first hand he actively involved in “deceptive conduct” & “deceptive practices” but he doesn’t care as long as the Moneeeeeeeeeeee keeps rolling in. But now we have the ***Internet*** and the game has changed……. Tick toc

  • Lurkness

    For those Lurking, Chris’ video points to an important HCPOL–“HANDLING THE SUPPRESSIVE PERSON, THE BASIS OF INSANITY” (HCO POLICY LETTER OF 5 APRIL 1965)

    LRH instructs to view their case. “Never judge such a person by their conduct. That is too difficult. Judge by no case gains. Don’t even use tests.

    One asks these questions:

    1. Will the person permit auditing at all? or

    2. Does their history of routine auditing reveal any gains?”

    Why doesn’t Dwarfenfuehrer ever do auditing? When has he spoken of his personal case gains?

    Right there’s the answer to who is an “insane” “suppressive person.” LRH says so himself!!!

    Why haven’t you disconnected from Miscavige, the insane SP, and the RCS????? LRH would clearly be disappointed if you did not.

    • DodoTheLaser

      Competence is above case gains. Hubbard said so. So there’s that.

    • Barbara Angel

      Because ‘Dwafenfuror’ views himself as a superior being and all the rest are just there to be used. (Worker bees or slaves… so to speak). Being so FULLl of “soupa” powers he doesn’t need auditing, he just needs Moare Moneeeeeeeeeeeeee too much is NOT ENOUGH.

  • media_lush

    Kirstie piece which I think is the worst kind of journalism…. (not that she hasn’t pulled it in, ed)

    pic

    • Troy MacGyver SP

      Next incarnation she’ll be a greyhound..Drop that shell and do us all a favor!

    • Troy MacGyver SP

      Next incarnation she’ll be a greyhound..Drop that shell and do us all a favor!

      • Barbara Angel

        Poor Krusty, “danced on the edge of fatness” lol. Yep yo-yo dieting does stuff up the metabolism. Be warned… the body ends up perceiving lack of calories as a Famine and shuts down to *preserve* the fat for survival reasons. Poor Krusty. As a woman I’m not proud of all the ‘fat shaming we are doing to her, Butttttt…she’s such a nasty cow and wilfully blind to *all* the Co$ abuses towards the good innocent victims that slave for her……guess what?
        She must have pulled it in. How do you like that one Krusty?

    • Sandy

      Oh, jeez. Now I really feel sorry for her.

  • valshifter

    I believe this is where the real brainwash gets laid on the subject. and is a mishmash of all kind of emotions and points of view, meanwhile the cult is accommodating you to become more suggestible and more gullible about the cult. like this question; Have you ever split up a family? you would immediately think oh no that is bad, and at the same time you would not believe that the cult would do that, since that is bad and the cult is good. is a way for the cult to cover up themselves in plain sight and at the same time throws a blanked of darkness in your face.
    or Have you neglected your child’s education? oh no that is bad right, at the same time you don’t see that you are loosing yours by staying in the cult.

  • valshifter

    The space civilization from which the org board was taken from lasted only 83 trillion years, wow!!!, and that is not good enough we will go longer than that” really 83 trillions sounds like forever, but scientology will go longer that forever and ever amen, with the new improved org board, therefore we should be forever grateful to the old man, the great El Fraud Hubbtard, sounds like an Austin Powers movie.

  • Pierrot

    I Checked the complain procedures for Craigslist spams, they have changed the system and you do not have to be from the area to complain.
    For those who feel that something should be done about $cientology spams on Craiglists here is what I found out:

    Go to http://boston.craigslist.org/contact for Boston, replace boston by the cl area / city name you want to complain about.
    Select : option -> flagging, terms of use (TOU) violation, scams
    Then : option –> Someone is spamming or overposting on craigslist –> To report spam, Contact us
    (Click on Contact us)
    Fill in your complain and give a few Post Ids that you will find at the Bottom line (left) of the ads

    Do not forget to do some flagging in your spare time.
    https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-73#post-2445498

    Ty Obs

    • Graham

      Done!

  • DodoTheLaser

    “Have you ever made love to a person of the wrong species?”

    Is this a paranormal intergalactic erotica confessional? Kinky.

    • Sydjazz

      Xenu gave me an anal probe

      • DodoTheLaser

        I hope Xenu didn’t use the wrong body part.

        • Sydjazz

          Is that a schwartz or are you just pleased to see me.

        • Sydjazz

          Sorry i don’t know why but todays post reminds me of spaceballs. Hmm i think i might watch it tonight

          • DodoTheLaser

            It’s all good, just don’t squash any thetan out of existence.

        • Barbara Angel

          Speaking of body parts…Loved the shoop where TC was given a decent looking penis instead of a nose. Maybe because he’s been brown nosing mustravage?

          • DodoTheLaser

            I can see the analogy, but I don’t advocate those kind of images.
            May be I am getting old.

            • Barbara Angel

              Couldn’t get that image of TC’s new nose out of my mind and couldn’t stop laughing over it for days. Getting old’s fine but we need to laugh at Co$ particularly the biggest hypocrites, they hate it. [ps I’m an old fart but laughing keeps me young at heart].

      • 1subgenius

        You and Hubbard. I hear “Xenu” was his pet name for Jack Parsons.

        • DodoTheLaser

          What was Jack’s name for Ron, I wonder?

          Also, it’s kind of disappointing that Hubbard came up with only one major villain.
          I mean there had to be more. May be that’s why he got rejected by Hollywood.

          Thinks off all the Marvel universe villains scientologists could be auditing out now!

          • Barbara Angel

            Ever noticed that some extreme Cults always have to have an “enemy” that is working against them? This is a corrupt way of bonding victims and ensuring a twisted way of keeping them united and frightens them shitless about mainstream living in case they wish to *escape* the Cults abusive environment.
            Co$ world has a numerous list of perceived enemies: Cooties, the media, unsatisfied customers who complain their shit doesn’t work and have the outrageous disposition to demand a refund, families of people who die while following Co$ BS, SP’s the worlds full of them…… And feel free to add to the rest of the list of SP’s conspiring against poor innocent Co$

            • 1subgenius

              Creating imaginary enemies, or threats (the “War on Christmas”, eg) is also used in politics.

            • Barbara Angel

              At least politics gives you something back for your taxes, such as: infrastructure, clean drinking water, access to electricity, even public toilets but no paper, police, maintenance of traffic lights, rubbish removal, public transport etc… What does Co$ give you? Bankruptcy, shame, fear, mental health issues, loss of freedom mass exploitation anyone?

            • Robert Eckert

              The politicians who give us “War on Christmas” talk are all about cutting off all funding for infrastructure, clean water, etc.

            • DodoTheLaser

              True. I know exactly what you mean, Barbara Angel.
              On a lighter note – I just think Dr. Doom is a lot sexier villain than Xenu.

            • Robert Eckert

              Darth Vader is an obvious ripoff of Dr. Doom, I always felt.

            • Tory Christman

              All Cults “need” enemies…this keeps the flock from actually SEEING how abused they are being. Also, $cientology uses “Speed”: “Do it NOW!” “Make it go Right!” Etc. All, again, used to keep one “so busy you cannot really think”.
              Plus Hubbard put near the bottom of the Know-to-Mystery scale “Thinking” LOL!

              Thank you Tony and Jefferson for this article re the L’s. I observed many people did L-10, and for the most part, came out worse. Many came out WAY worse. Now I get why. I met many of the “original L’s auditors” at a re-union years ago. They all said “The L’s are BS”. Just thought I’d add that–plus they cost an exorbitant amount of $$$
              now IF you’re “in” C of $. Love to ALL 🙂 Tory/Magoo

        • Sydjazz

          Oooh 1:1 makes sense now lol

          • 1subgenius

            Better late than never.

      • Barbara Angel

        How did you get so lucky?

    • Disaffected

      I always had a thing for seven of nine of the Borg species. T’pol too btw ;). Vulcan vs Borg mmh hard choice.

      • Ardent

        Ooh yes. I would break several rules for Seven of Nine.

  • Peter

    Is the head of APA talking about Scientology?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VewovSer5vc

    • DodoTheLaser

      What’s your point, Peter?

    • Ardent

      Interesting.

  • DodoTheLaser

    New blog is born around the IRS deadline date.

    The Scientology Money Project

    Unraveling the Church of Scientology Money & Legal Labyrinth

    • Sunny Sands

      There are many filings and lots of details in separate blog posts. A lot of work has gone into the project and it is well organized.

  • I am

    After doing the L’s in 1978, I went on to do the OT levels the year after. I guess I did it backwards. I felt the L’s were much more helpful than the OT levels, frankly. Then I went on some of the OT levels, especially OT 3, and was evaluated for and told what to think my case was. I thought I was running L Roon’s case, not my own. It was too weird for me, but I continued always hopeful that the next level would bring some thing that was promised. If it had not been so secret, I probably wouldn’t of spent the money or done it. Thank you Tony, for exposing the bridge and all the others that have brought it out and exposed it in the past.

  • Thanks Tony and Jeff. I’ve always wanted to know more about the ALS but they seemed to be the poor step child to the OT levels so I never heard much about them.

  • music8r

    I’m grateful to have Jefferson’s comments on the Ls. I did them after “going Clear” and doing KTL/LOC in the 1990s. I recall reading and re-reading the advertised “hype” about them and trying to convince myself this was all true. I was supposed to be an all-powerful, unstoppable being.

    What does an all-powerful, unstoppable being DO??? What would YOU do if you were an all-powerful, unstoppable being?

    Seriously, wouldn’t it get boring leaping tall buildings in a single bound? Outrunning a speeding train? Stopping a bullet in mid-air? Even if you could end all the suffering in the world, wouldn’t you just be bored because there was nothing left to do?

    Scientologists are taught that a being MUST have a problem to solve in order to be happy. If there are no problems to solve, problems must be created. Therefore, it is a freaking waste of time to be an all-powerful, unstoppable being.

  • marky markus

    People keep saying things like there are moments of euphoria in scientology and never explain what causes them..anyone have any idea?

  • Fink Jonas

    ‘The person regains his ability and power to do those things he intends to do and as a result he feels more at cause than ever before.”
    how can this be possible, if in scientology you only do things they want you to do weather it is to part with your money or the training that you need to get, and you can not be cause ever, LRH is cause.