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Tampa Bay Times Portrays Twin Sister of Scientology Leader as Dope-Smoking Slumlord

Denise_GentileJoe Childs at the Tampa Bay Times sent reverberations across the world of Scientology-watching last night with his stunning investigative story about the arrest of Denise Gentile, twin sister to Scientology leader David Miscavige.

Gentile, 53, was arrested in January for DUI, possession of nine marijuana “blunts,” and failure to yield. Childs painstakingly pieced together the background of the arrest, which is sordid and fascinating. According to Childs’ reporting, Denise Gentile and her husband Gerald owned and rented numerous run-down rental properties in Pinellas County, Florida that became havens for drug dealing. Denise, the article says, even took rent from one tenant in the form of marijuana cigarettes.

A dope-smoking slumlord is certainly not the preferred image for Scientology’s ruling family. As Childs points out, Scientology not only eschews drug use, but touts its various anti-drug campaigns. In recent months, however, David Miscavige has had to contend with numerous image problems involving his own family, which only exacerbate the numerous crises currently gripping Scientology itself.

A year ago, we reported that Miscavige’s own father, Ronald Miscavige Sr., had escaped from Scientology’s International Base in California, joining his other son, Ron Jr., in Virginia, who had previously left the church. (Ron Jr. has reportedly moved to California since then, while Ron Sr. remains in Virginia.) As embarrassing as it was to lose his own father to defection, Miscavige then had to endure the disastrous publicity that came with the publication of an explosive memoir by his niece, Jenna Miscavige Hill. Her book portrayed David Miscavige as a meddling and cowardly bully. In her book, Jenna had kind things to say about her aunt, Denise Gentile. But now Denise’s arrest has brought another publicity nightmare for her brother, the church leader

Denise herself posted this interesting rant on her Facebook page the day she was arrested, January 22…

 
DeniseGentileFB

Childs recounted Denise Gentile’s interesting history, which included her questionable involvement in a Scientologist-owned technology company, Digital Lightwave. She was also sued in relation to the death of Kyle Brennan, a young man whose father was a Scientologist and, on the recommendation of Denise, took away Kyle’s psychiatric medicine. A couple of days later, Kyle was found dead with a gunshot wound to the head. (Law enforcement officials ruled the death a suicide; a lawsuit brought against Denise and the church by Kyle’s mother, Victoria Britton, was dismissed for lack of evidence.)

We asked numerous ex-church members to give us their thoughts on this latest debacle facing the Miscavige family. And first, we turned to Jesse Prince, who immediately came to mind for a very obvious reason: Back in 2001, Scientology put on a concerted campaign, using undercover private investigators, to get Prince prosecuted for a marijuana plant growing on his balcony. (At the time, Prince was scheduled to testify in a lawsuit regarding the death of church member Lisa McPherson, and the spy campaign was seen as the church’s desperate way to keep him off the witness stand.) The misdemeanor case ended up with a hung jury as jurors admitted that they didn’t like the church’s involvement.

We called up Jesse last night, telling him we thought he might have something to say about the twin sister of the church’s leader getting caught with so much marijuana in her vehicle.

“I really appreciate you asking me about this, but the marijuana arrest was the least of my problems with them,” he said. Like Childs, Prince recalled Denise Gentile’s previous entanglements in Digital Lightwave and other stains on her reputation.

“All I can do is laugh. It is so fucking pathetic. What kind of slumlord accepts marijuana for rent? I guess she’s getting what she deserves. I’m just glad it’s coming out. The church today, it’s just like watching a slow implosion,” he said.

“As insane as they were to go on and on about me and marijuana, now for her to get caught like this? It’s a huge embarrassment,” he added. “David Miscavige’s whole family is crumbling around him.”

We also received responses from several other well known former members of the Church of Scientology…

Marc Headley:

I do not recall David Miscavige ever speaking about Denise during the 1990’s. I do remember him talking about her in the early 2000’s. In fact, it was sort of like, “Dude has a twin sister?” I don’t think he wanted people to know about her. He said something along the lines about her being “an out-ethics C-word” (rhymes with blunt). She was Denise Liccardi at that time and was involved in some shady business stuff as far as I remember. Dave was embarrassed that she was always getting into trouble and it was reflecting bad on him. It was never about her. It was how she would be perceived as related to him and then he would look bad.

 
Amy Scobee:

Denise couldn’t still be a Scientologist if she’s doing drugs. It’s against everything they stand for…. David must be irate about his family — his dad blew, his brother left, his twin sister doing drugs, his niece wrote a book about him — and his wife is locked up somewhere. The result of Scientology tech application to one’s family = a disaster. But inside the church, it will never be heard about. And if someone gets wind of it, OSA will have a packet of docs to prove about how Joe Childs is a long term enemy trying to smear the church and its members.

 
Michelle “Emma” Sterling:

My initial reaction was amusement, because once again it proves that even the highest levels of Scientology do not make people any better, stronger or wiser that the average Joe. But after the schadenfreude passed, the gravity of her situation hit me. Studies have shown that many people abuse drugs in an attempt to deal with stress that seems unbearable and unresolvable. My suggestion is that she should seek out real drug addiction treatment that will help her understand how to deal with the stress she lives under, and has lived under for 30 years — the stress of having a twin whose name is David Miscavige. Denise may be completely unware that there are people outside of Scientology who understand her situation more than she could possibly know & want to help her.They are waiting for her. They are free, and like much of the rest of her family, she could be too.

 
Bruce Hines:

I don’t know a lot about Denise. I can relate one experience I had regarding her in late 1987 or early 1988. At the time, my job at the International Base (Gilman Hot Springs) was to investigate situations that indicated that the procedures of auditing or training had been carried out incorrectly. I was in what was called the International Flub Catch section. Denise had gotten in trouble for something. For the life of me I can’t remember what it was. Part of the time when she was living in New Hampshire she was working for a software company that was owned and run by Scientologists. Also, her second husband, Sam Licciardi, had earlier been in the Sea Org and was in the “Commodore’s Messenger Organization” arm in Clearwater. Anyway, I was given her auditing files to review. The idea is that if someone gets in trouble (is involved in “out-ethics”), that means that they must have received bad auditing or some other kind of “out-tech.” It was a big deal because she was COB’s sister. Someone had called for her auditing folders to be sent from Clearwater to the International Base. So I studied the records of her auditing and found some “errors” (departures from the prescribed actions that were supposed to be done, which are amazingly exacting) in the “New OT V” auditing that she had received. I reported what I had found and her poor auditor got sent to the Rehabilitation Project Force. He was a guy named Geary Titus, who unfortunately had a pretty severe heart condition. Then the people reporting to David Miscavige could tell him that Denise’s auditing had been investigated, it was of course found to have been bad, and the culprit had been suitably punished. What a weird, weird world that was, and is.

 
Martin Padfield:

Well, Scientologists’ relationship with drugs is interesting. The writings are very puritanical on the matter as is pointed out by Childs, yet Scientologists mostly drink, and more than average smoke tobacco, as of course did LRH until he was quite ill at the end of his life. Hubbard also used various pharmaceuticals at various points during his life according to Lawrence Wright’s book. Also, the first time I met Miscavige was at a party at the Int Base, where the amount of hard liquor consumed by the top Execs was amazing. Kahlua and Jack Daniels were particular favourites. DM himself is well known for his love of single-malt Scotch. Yet there is indeed a “zero tolerance” policy when it comes to parishioners. I got the sharp end of this first hand in 1997 when another public Scientologist and myself shared a spliff one day in London. After writing it up (one always has to write up transgressions – it’s cheaper than getting sec Checks!) the Captain St Hill Foundation ordered me onto an extensive ethics handling, including a spell on the “DPF” – a sort of RPF-lite that public don’t usually do, but as I was ex-SO I did. The only LRH reference I know of where drug use is authorised is one which deals with “Type IIIs” – psychotics, where “mild sedatives” are suggested. No doubt this was the basis for Lisa McPherson’s treatment, and she wasn’t the only one by far. Scott Campbell has recently relayed his story aboard the Freewinds of nearly losing the plot completely due to this type of handling — see Karen de la Carriere’s excellent video series. I expect the Church strategy on Denise to be the usual deny everything. None of this will make it to the eyes of Scientologists, or if it really blows up will be positioned as some sort of psych-orchestrated stitch-up. One thing’s for sure though, poor old beleaguered DM won’t be enjoying his cornflakes this morning

 
Samantha Domingo:

It amazes me that the church proudly beats its chest about helping people come off drugs when in fact it is a common practice to label drug users as “degraded beings” and use punishment and humiliation as the driving force to “handle” them. As long as they continue to do that they are going to churn out “products” like Denise — people who are completely broken down and who will eventually wind up in serious trouble one way or another. That being said, I have little sympathy for Denise in light of the financial benefits she afforded herself by virtue of her position in the Church and her role in the Kyle Brennan case. Interesting how karma seems to wind it’s way into a situation and ultimately bring about justice.

 
Pete Griffiths:

No real surprises. I guess when Scientologists are trying to deal with their own crimes and inhuman actions that the emotional and physical strain is just too much to bear without some form of chemical relief, drink or drugs, or both. Auditing certainly won’t help. A good clean confession might help in this case. Remember Kyle Brennan.

 
Pete, like several others, brought up the death of Kyle Brennan, suggesting that Childs’ story might breathe life into the lawsuit that was brought by his mother. For an opinion on that, we turned to attorney Scott Pilutik, who followed the Brennan lawsuit very closely from the beginning.

Could these revelations about Denise Gentile, we asked Scott, have an affect on the Brennan case?

It doesn’t affect it in the slightest. If Denise was forced to testify in some future hypothetical Brennan case, or if it was magically revived, then maybe this tarnishes her credibility as a witness but even then perhaps not. It sure is delicious though. I can’t believe Childs went to town on it like he did, but am really glad he did. Weird though that he went with the marijuana in the title; to me the possession is the least of her problems. The DUI is worse, and her complicity in the sale of drugs is far worse.

We’ll be watching closely as Gentile’s case works its way through the Florida court system. Childs reports that she has a pretrial hearing scheduled for July 25.

 
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Continuance in Laura DeCrescenzo Lawsuit

We’ve really been looking forward to Monday, when a hearing was scheduled in Laura DeCrescenzo’s four-year lawsuit against the Church of Scientology. DeCrescenzo is alleging that she suffered abuse during her 12-year career in Scientology’s “Sea Org,” including being forced to have an abortion at only 17.

On Monday, Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Ronald Sohigian was scheduled to hear arguments and rule on the church’s motion that thousands of pages of evidence it’s supposed to hand over on Tuesday be put under a protective order so those documents don’t get seen by the public. The church has appealed the order to fork over that evidence multiple times, even unsuccessfully asking the U.S. Supreme Court for an emergency stay.

On Friday, however, the clerk of the court filed a notice of continuance that didn’t appear to come from either side in the lawsuit, which suggests that Sohigian himself has decided to move the date of the hearing back. As soon as we get a new date, or hear some explanation for the reason for the change, we’ll let you know.

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on June 30, 2013 at 08:00

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  • I can’t wait for all this to be cleared up in court! Just a shame that there does not appear to be anything linking David “he is NOT insane!” Miscavige directly to this – other than him possibly benefiting from any donation that his twin sister made to the criminal organisation known as the “church” of $cientology, but that’s a bit of a stretch.

    Yay! for Amy Scobee’s comment and LOL at “International Flub Catch.”

    • Observer

      “International Flub Catch”–must be out tech. It doesn’t sound pseudo-military enough.

      • Phil McKraken

        Agreed. It should have been called the Floof Goof Patrol. Uh, wait… Floof Goof Patrol Int. That’s it!

        • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

          Intergalactic Floof Goof Patrol, rallying men of goodwill everywhere as they rocket from planet to planet, throughout the universe!

        • HeatherGraceful

          Oh, to be the Floof Goof Patrol I/C!

    • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

      One thing the Guardian’s Office spent money on newspapers was when the newsstands had newspapers full of bad news. The GO would go out and buy all the newsbox newspapers, to censor the news getting out on the street. I lived in CW at the Fort Harrison, Gray Moss Inn, Sandcastel berthing, variously, from Dec 1975 till Jun 1983, and any bad newspaper articles on Scientology from the “SP Times” and the GO would rush out and buy up all the newspapers out of the news boxes around downtown CW!

      With the internet, like you old guard alt.religion.scientology and Clambake old critics used to say, the internet changed everything, and even changes Scientology’s censoring tech ( buying up all the hardcopy newspapers they can get their hands on! ) The news box distribution people probably know to put out MORE copies when there’s a bad Scientology story, sheesh, because they know Scientology OSA will buy up al the extra copies (maybe they could rig some video cameras, and ensure whoever goes buys the newspapers out of the newsboxes actually pays the correct amount, and doesn’t just steal newspapers).

      • Missionary Kid

        I was thinking that publishing negative stories on The {Church} of $cientology would be a great way to increase the paid circulation, until I realized that The Most Ethical People In the World aren’t, and probably would just steal as many as they could.

        {} sarcasm font.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          they’ve been known to do so.

  • JonathanRoberts

    I can imagine all the OSA SO running all around downtown Clearwater this morning emptying all the newspaper machines. They will be on high alert to find and destroy any copies of the paper.

    Tony is there any kind of feeling that Denise hid this until the publication by the times. Or on the other hand maybe she owned up to it when it happened??

    It will be interesting to see how this plays out.

    Do you have any thoughts on when if ever Denise let the cat out of the bag??

    • TonyOrtega

      I haven’t talked to Joe, so I don’t know how he found out about it. I’m sure she didn’t want it to become public, but once Joe learned about it, she didn’t have a choice.

      • Watergate

        I’ve heard this story was “known” among the Clearwater critic community before it broke. I’m betting Joe reached out to them for background on Denise. But don’t know how long ago Joe started working on the story.

  • Observer

    The Fourth of July fireworks have started early! I wonder what Davey’s blood pressure is?

    • 1subgenius

      Straight up and vertical.

    • richelieu jr

      Instead of “Goofus and Gallant” it’s “Goofus and Doofus”.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Are you sure they aren’t actually twin sisters, and the one on the right is butching it up?

    • Poison Ivy

      Brilliant, Observer!

    • Missionary Kid

      Davie looks evil. Denise looks zombied, but, of course, alcohol will do that.

    • grundoon

      Denise was piloting a new program to turn Idle Morgues into moneymakers with people coming and going at all hours.

    • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

      Criminal J&D!

      Observer, you will be hearing from our third string wog attorney Gary Soter, this as soon as he recovers from injuries he recently sustained when he apparently tripped face-first into a concrete wall over at ASI.

      As Freedom Magazine will make clear in an upcoming special edition, Denise Miscavige Gentile was set up and framed in a classic PDH Psych caper.

      Said Psych caper was designed to impugn the good name and sterling reputation of COB RTC David Miscavige on the eve of his personal efforts to bring Peace to the Middle East and solve the Planetary energy crisis.

      Read all about it: http://otviiiisgrrr8.com/2013/06/30/thepsychs-plant-drugs-on-cobs-twin-sister/

      • Observer

        I look forward to hearing from him. I have some questions I’d like to ask.

        • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

          NO OBSERVER NO!

          We in RTC are the one’s who ask the questions and we have one for you:

          WHO IS PAYING YOU?

          Is it Big Pharma, SMERSH, or the Catholics?

          Confess!!!!

          • Observer

            I wish. I do it for the sheer love of criminal J&D.

            I bet COB wishes people would give him money for the sheer love of doing so.

            • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

              Denise is not a slumlord.

              Her tenants are all very happy productive members of society. Their exchange with Denise for rent is fully in.

              http://i1284.photobucket.com/albums/a563/OTVIIIisGrrr8/006_zps9b8de6ac.jpg

            • Observer

              Judging by the lettering on that bottle, it appears she’s extended her slumlord empire to Russia. Straight up and vertical!

            • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

              These are Clearwater area Russian Scientologists, who, like Denise, have side businesses.

              We
              are hoping these gentlemen join the Sea Org where they will be posted
              as IAS Enforcers, They are very persuasive at getting recalcitrant
              publics to fork over the cash.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              This looks like a shot of North Miami!!!!

          • Jgg2012

            OT8, I always wondered where that glazed look came from. Now I know.

    • FistOfXenu

      I think they’ll have to measure it in atmospheres, like when you dive deep in a sub and they say how many atmospheres down you are.

    • Zana

      They both have strange and haunted looks in their eyes.

      • Synthia Fagen

        Very much so, yes.

      • Observer

        That’s the Scientogy Effect.

    • Synthia Fagen

      Hilarious!

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    Hope Denise Brennan can comment today. Im fairly certain Denise was there when she worked at Real World.

    I can say that locals in Florida are going to be annoyed learning yet another scientologist is dumping foreclosures on our area which hurts all of us. They will gaze on the tax exempt buildings and remember all the boasts of wealth and the drug free races down their streets. They might look at the dotted landscape of dilapidated rentals owned by slum kings, and the dangerous drug traffic and crime that always seems to follow the decay. The only factor not in this story would be the bankruptcies and defaults on financial obligatons that are now associated with scientologists, both individuals as well as businesses who rip off their customers as well as their own employees.

    Denise Miscavige may not be the Ideal Scientologist to her fellow members, but she is the image of the Real Scientologist for the real people who have had to deal with them in their own backyards and community.

    • PreferToBeAnon2
      • JonathanRoberts

        Very interesting please do keep the updates flowing. Denise Brennan was very kind in her response to the Gentile woman very kind and compassionate indeed.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Thanks. This is just like Denise. Considering how much she has been working to help Kyle’s mother, only Denise could offer Denise a place to stay and recoup. What’s interesting is other comments on the page about Gerald Gentile’s listed partner when he bough the property, Marco Lumpkin, as someone with a criminal record. Most criminal sci’s I’ve come across usually keep their hands in the “white collar” criminal business. These two are taking it to the “south side”.

        Times are hard for everyone I guess.

        • JonathanRoberts

          Is this him I wonder;

          Marco D Lumpkin

          Mugshots.com ID: 3462976
          Birth date: 8/29/1979
          Race: BLACK
          Gender: MALE
          Address: 2434 19TH ST S
          City: ST PETERSBURG
          State: FL
          Zip: 33712
          Birth Place: NY
          Eye Color: BRO
          Hair Color: BLK
          Complexion: DRK
          Height: 5′ 8″ (1.73 m)
          Weight: 135 lb (61 kg)
          Scars, Marks and Tattoos: TT “SHANAYA”
          “KEDRA”, DINENGE, MOSSIE
          Docket No: 1433617
          Arrest Date: 12/05/2010
          Booking Date: 12/05/2010
          Arrest Age: 31
          Arresting Agency: ST. PETERSBURG
          POLICE
          Cell Location / Status: RELEASED – 1/5/2011 3:20 PM;
          PROBATION
          Commissary Account Balance: $0.00
          SPIN: 1300019
          Booking Type: FELONY
          Alias: LUMPKIN, MARLON K; LUMPKIN, MARLON KEDRICK; LUMPKIN,
          MARCO D; LUMPKIN, MARCO KEDRICK
          Charges:
          Charge Number Agency Report Number Offense Description Statute Court
          Case Number Bond Assessed Bond Amount Due OBTS
          1 SP10066118 DEPOSITING AN ITEM WITH INTENT TODEFRAUD 832.05(3)/F CRC1025999CFANO 5206084157

          2 POSS
          OF CONTROL SUB W/INTENTSELL/MANUF/DELIV 893.13(1)(A)(2)/F CRC1010965CFANO

          Address: 2434 19th Street South,
          St. Petersburg, FL 33712,

          • sugarplumfairy

            One has to wonder, how many Marco Lumpkins can there be in the world?

            • BuryTheNuts2

              You are such a wise ass! I love you.

            • sugarplumfairy

              High praise indeed coming from the wise ass queen.. The feeling is def mutual..

            • sugarplumfairy

              Btw.. I’m just curious.. Have you saved evil twin’s mugshot in your future AV file?

            • And I don’t rent cars!

              Perfect!

            • FLUNK_101

              Excellent suggestion, SFP!

            • BuryTheNuts2

              What is Smurf-a-licious adornments?
              Blue glitter? Blue dingleberries? Blue Nipple covers?
              Cake frosting with a shift dress and a pile of hearts on yer head?

              I am so cornfused??????
              I don’t need a disertation. Just a short explanation that tells me WTF is that.

              OK, Scientology Blue is a given………………………………

              I drunk, so speak in short words…k?

            • FistOfXenu

              I think he’s talking about that woman that wrote a kind of fuck-off message at the cult on her topless body and put the PS about “smurf tits” because her nipples were painted blue.

            • Poison Ivy

              Neil Gaiman’s wife Amanda Palmer.

            • FistOfXenu

              Thanks PI. That’s who I meant. Couldn’t remember.

            • FistOfXenu

              You can scroll down here for the photo and her explanation, BTN

              http://amandapalmer.net/blog/kickstarter-smurf-tits-scientology-oh-my-the/

            • FLUNK_101

              AFP – Amanda F–king Palmer

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Amanda palmer?

            • BuryTheNuts2

              But of course.
              You didn’t even have to ask.

            • FLUNK_101

              Denise deserves to take her place in your pantheon of crazy blondes.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              I have to agree with that one!
              She has definitely earned a spot.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Accckkkkk! I just got through an hour of aqual therapy…I had to ask Enya to provide the concert background today just to soothe a week’s worth of getting my compassionate heart stomped on. I come back to this.

              Acccckkkkkk!

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Oh come on. You had to KNOW it was gonna happen!

              How could it not?

              This one was just too damn delicious to pass on!

            • sugarplumfairy

              Lol.. Perfect! She will live in infamy (for a day or two anyway), here at the bunker..

            • Bradley Greenwood

              Thanks for saying that before I got a chance! 😉

            • richelieu jr

              Sounds like a name Roald Dahl would come up with…

            • Missionary Kid

              Or Carl Hiassen.

        • BuryTheNuts2

          Denise Brennan is a special person.

        • Poison Ivy

          Powerful response from Denise B.

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            They were close friends when in New Hampshire. Denise Brennan brings the best out in people, and … they were out of the LA/Clearwater Stress 24/7 environment. At least for a while.

    • GSioux

      Yes, “…for the real people who have had to deal with them in their own backyards and community” and in settling their deceased parents’ estate! Still fresh and actually not over. I remain interested in knowing what Scientology-sponsored business may be gobbling up all the foreclosures. Can’t believe that $$$ resource has not been tapped.

  • Watergate

    I absolutely love how Childs and the Tampa Bay Times laid all the evidence out on page one of the Sunday newspaper so that this matter can’t be swept under the rug. Just incredible reporting, Joe Childs. Really extraordinary.

    • FLUNK_101

      Joe Childs … Hot damn!!!

    • Poison Ivy

      Tobin, Childs and Ortega = some of the last real journalists in the US of A!

      • Conditioner

        FACT!!!

  • JonathanRoberts

    I mean Denise is a well known auditor she was Tom brennan’s so-called pastor. It will be difficult for cob’s sister to just up and disappear. Imagine cob pumping up super power and the need for trained auditors. Then his highly trained auditor sister just up and disappears. I am assuming with her husband, who knows if she wants to go quietly or she might turn and make a fuss. Ole Joe has done it again who knows how many curves & turns this little escapade will have in the end. Please do keep us updated as you always do.

    • PreferToBeAnon2

      “It will be difficult for cob’s sister to just up and disappear.” I suspect she will be joining Shelly soon.

      • JonathanRoberts

        I do apologize however I must thank you profusely for the first good belly laugh of the day.

      • Captain Howdy

        It’s going to be a Twin Peaks slumber party with Evil COB!

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Yeah, like the last remaining sheeple give one damn bit about people “disappearing”. Some of them who are “veteran sci’s” have experienced literally thousands upon thousands disappeared, even their own family and friends, year after year. So, I’m going with this response: Denise, Who?!

        • Observer
          • Captain Howdy

            Who knew D.M had rhythm?

            • FistOfXenu

              Too bad his parents didn’t

          • PreferToBeAnon2

            Twin peaks flashback!

          • FLUNK_101

            You read my mind! Very recently, while reading this blog, it made me think of the “dancing dwarf” from Twin Peaks.

    • Observer

      Shelly just up and disappeared too, and COB lacks a certain creativity in his ecclesiastical actions, so I wouldn’t be surprised if she did just vanish. It’ll be interesting to see what he does, though. He’s under pressure like he’s never faced in his misbegotten life so it could be something completely unexpected.

      I do know one thing–Denise would be better off in jail than in the clutches of her sibling.

    • sugarplumfairy

      Tell that to Shelley.. Of course, in a normal, non-co$ world, you’d be absolutely right..

  • sugarplumfairy

    The Kyle Brennan case upsets me sooo much.. That a stupid, selfish and self-indulgent b*tch like this had the power to make life and death decisions that could affect this young man and pobably many others is just sooo objectionable.. I hope karma and some brave Florida judge kicks her ass..

    • PreferToBeAnon2

      Anything that shines a light on what happened to Kyle and the miscarriage of justice that happened there has got to help his mother in reopening the case. At least I hope so.

      • Damian DeWitt

        What will really break things wide open is for just one Scientologist involved with Kyle Brennan to turn. Then things will move along quite rapidly..

        Victoria is greatly heartened by the comments people post here at The Underground Bunker.

        The easiest way you can show your support is to email her or write her.

        When she gets letters from people she doesn’t open them immediately. She waits until everyone is gathered in the kitchen where she and Kyle chatted and bantered so often, and then get seated for dinner at the kitchen table – Victoria, Kyle’s step-father Rick Britton, and Kyle’s brother Sean, who lives with them.

        More often than not the letters move them to tears. They are grateful that there are people who care about Kyle, and it sustains them.

        You can email Victoria at vbreton2062 @ aol.com

        You can write her at:

        Victoria Britton

        3144 Ridgefield Rd

        Charlottesville, VA 22911

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      I’m glad Childs got in the information that she was a scientology “ethics” officer at the Bellaire Mission, although no mention of the Feshbach connection.

      • BuryTheNuts2

        I like how Childs threw the ethics officer in there as a zinger after listing all her dirty deeds.
        That article was written with some gravitas mixed with a great sense of humor.

        • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

          The pair have done so much excellent reporting, it’s too bad the “SP Times” [emeritus status media SPs!] had to have their name change as they came into the Tampa Bay Times.

          The old “SP Times” had a better ironic ring to it! Yea, Tony’s given them great praise, and remember it was they who did the Truth Rundown, which in history has eclipsed all past major newspaper series on Scientology, with the priceless video interviews that go with the Truth Rundown. (People who call the 866-XSEAORG number all comment the major effect that the Truth Rundown articles and videos have on them.)

          Childs and Tobin are emeritus! I hope they don’t ever retire!

    • Poison Ivy

      Yes, it reeks of murder. That kid suffered so much – and like all kids, he just wanted his Dad to love him. Why should children have to suffer so much in the name of love?

  • baddog5623

    “Slumlord” she really is his sister! / No lumps of coal for her this X-Mass / Looks just like him / Where is Gentile, no one has seen here in public in years / If DM was my brother it would take more than weed to get through the day.

  • Mary_McConnell

    I love the comments. Denise Brennan ( aka JustMe, formerly Lrry Brennan) psoted this response:
    “What is going to come down on Denise from her brother David may end up being more than she can bare. This will not be the first time she has incurred his rage but I believe this will even be worse than the Digital Lightwave “flap”.

    If Denise did admit to drug use “10 years ago” that will be one hell of a “drug-revert-in-the-royal-family-flap” as I was on OT VII Solo NOTS with her for a few years and that was more than 10 years ago.

    It is my belief that Denise may possibly be trapped in scientology through having one or more of her daughters on staff (Perhaps that has changed). If they are still deep in the mindf_ _k then they will be used to keep her quiet and compliant or she loses them too.

    She has gotten herself in a hell of a jam and it is of her doing.

    Denise was for years one of my best friends but clearly we went in very different directions years ago. Still I have never withdrawn my friendship.

    Denise if you are reading this I am willing to help you get out. I can even give you a place to stay (with me) for a while if you need it.

    But you’re going to have to account for Kyle. And I will help you with that as well.

    I have not been in touch with Denise for years and the last thing she may want is any help for me.

    But in case you are reading this Denise you will know.

    It’s still not too late. ”
    http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?32223-Twin-sister-of-Scientology-leader-Miscavige-arrested-for-marijuana-possession&p=818141&viewfull=1#post818141

    I’m a bit more unforgiving… Denise Gentile is the one who unsuccessfully tried to get Victoria Britton to take her son Kyle Brennan to Narconon to get him off psychiatric medicines,besides being involved in the later coverup of Kyle’s
    death.

    This really caught my eye… “She said she had not smoked marijuana in 10 years, Nemeth reported.”

    Bet she was made to do Narconon back then. She’s “a relapser” like so many who graduate the program… the ones they don’t count in their often spouted false success rate.

    • richelieu jr

      The only people who don’t relapse after Narconon are the ones who died.

      • Missionary Kid

        Or who weren’t addicted in the first place, like Luke Catton.

  • AnonymousSP

    I’d like to see the evil Miscavige twins in jail — one on the east coast and the other on the west coast.

  • Truthiwant

    I just wanted to pick up on Bruce Hines comment about “Auditing errors”.
    This is one of the most common things that happen in Scientology and is always the Organization’s way to justify something that has gone wrong with a parishioner. Obviously they could never admit that the Auditing served for nothing and didn’t work so they come up with “something was Out-Tech on the cycle” or “the cycle went Over-Run” or some lame excuse. I have seen it literally happen HUNDREDS of times.
    Sometimes a “Complete Folder Error Review” has to be done and this is when some Sea Org member has to check out and review all the errors in the Pre-Clear’s folder so that a programme can be made up for that person. The incredible thing, yes you guessed it, is that this folder error check is at the expense of the PARISHIONER!!
    So, to sum up, Scientology get you to pay them to fuck you up and when they have gotten you fucked up, they get you to pay them again so that they can check over the fuck-ups so that they can get you back in to auditing to fuck you up again!!! Got it?

    • JonathanRoberts

      Isn’t there some kind of Reverse-auditing when they really don’t like you. I’ve heard with that they can drive you nuts just not sure how it’s done.

      It’s hard for those never inside to imagine how things work thanks for your comments. Maybe if the reverse thing is true you could write a little about it?

      • Truthiwant

        I have only heard rumours about these things, Jonathan, but I honestly cannot say whether such things exist.

        If auditing can make you go nuts, then I guess reverse auditing would send you to spin bin twice as quick!

        • And I don’t rent cars!

          Oops, I can’t keep up with all the new posts this morning as they are pouring in. I didn’t realize you had already responded re: Reverse Auditing. So sorry for unnecessarily adding to your Inbox.

          • Poison Ivy

            Perhaps someone with the knowledge and experience can explain how “reverse” auditing works? (Some of the auditing sessions I’ve read/heard about seem like they are already upside down and inside out to begin with…)

            • richelieu jr

              Instead of holding the cans, you just hold the vegetables inside them, and the object is to pin the needle to one side or ‘on the donkey’ as L Ron coined the phrase…If you don’t succeed, they pay you, and all results are kept strictly confidential…

            • Poison Ivy

              “If you don’t succeed, they pay you, and all results are kept strictly confidential…”

              Yes, that WOULD be the exact reverse of auditing, wouldn’t it? 🙂

            • Jgg2012

              You get to criticize Scientology, Miscavige, Hubbard and worship Paulette Cooper, Anonymous, etc.

            • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

              Auditing to make the person feel worse, after the session.

              In session, when the auditor who normally always is symathetic, instead becomes attack minded and doubts the patient/preclear’s answers.

              In security checking this type of attack mode from the pseudo-therapist, the auditor, will attack the preclear/patient’s answers, and demand MORE details, and imply the patient/preclear is lying about telling all the details, or imply that the patient/preclear is just intentionally withholding bad deeds the patient doesn’t want to tell!

              Doing this intentionally, and knowing that the patient has told all the details, but intentionally asking more and more and more details, or more incidents, being intentionally over aggressive in the “murder routine”, has led to people having nervous breakdowns, which was exactly what preceded (in my opinion) Nancy Many’s breakdown.

              I also was audited by the same woman that Nancy Many was audited by, and I slightly had that same experience, of a mental meltdown, when people you trust and totally are faithful to, you realize that they really don’t believe you, and that they really think you are a devious criminal. When that happens, your world just can collapse. I’ve experienced it, when I was getting either an overly aggressive interrogation, or when I was handed a long legal document to sign, which contained page after page of a revision of my actual history in the Sea Org, into the most disparaging terms.

              THAT is reverse Scientology.

              Scientology is pseudo-crank therapy (please please read “Fads and Fallacies” by Martin Gardner, it is THE most important book that first made the point of why Dianetcs/Scientology are so bad, and it’s still so true).

              Saying this, one of the Scientology tech concepts is the “right indication” and a “wrong indication”

              A right indication would just be acknowledging and labeling something correctly. Some point or issue that relates to a person’s case (their viewpoint about life).

              A wrong indication would be saying and labeling something wrong and even horribly wrong, a very wrong statement a very wrong label. Something very wrong about what the person believes is true about themselves and their life.

              So, at the end of one’s career in Scientology, one has to steel themselves to being now about to receive the full output that Scientology will reverse on you, and neglect to mention ALL of your long accomplishments and good you’ve done for the movement, and only focus and exaggerate and even sometimes invent some very wrong statements about you and your whole Scientology career.

              Even in the crazy Hubbard tech, on Grade 3, is where a type of processing called “listing and nullling” is first done with a good amount of focus. The listing and nulling process gets the patient to come up with a single “item” in answer to the question, and this answer is a type of self discovery, which the Scientology patient/parishioner feels relief, when they find this answer.

              Well reverse Scientology auditing, would be finding the Scientologists stable relief answers they found about themselves, and reverse and use the opposite, say wrong hurtful answers back at the Scientologist, to degrade and hurt them.

              Hubbard even admitted that a “wrong item” (the powerful relieving answer that is also a self discovery answer, but in the case when the preclear gets it wrong) has a very powerful immediate bad negative effect.

              Okay, now to the point, when interrogation is done wrongly, and the auditor is insisting on the patient/preclear find and admit their hidden crimes they don’t have, this acts like a huge wrong indication and wrong item, and has bad negative psychological consequences, and I and not even Hubbard nor any of the Scientologists are even qualified to say all this, but there is BAD effects that can be done using Hubbard’s auditing to make people think wrong things that they immediately don’t believe, but they mentally do whatever they do to accept these bad ideas about themselves, that are being forced onto them by the auditing session, or OSA’s using their derrogatory admisisons, or just made up guesses by OSA to provoke the ex members or even members who are at that moment thought not to be telling the truth that Scientology wants to hear and expects to hear!

              It’s a wrong indication, that leads to mental degradation.

              And in this pseudo-therapy world that Scientology is allowed to get away with, and they internally say they have their religious right to play this pseudo-therapist game on each other’s minds, there WILL be negative consequences that take years for their members to unravel themselves from the mental damage!

            • PreferToBeAnon2

              Chuck, thanks for that very thoughtful answer.

            • Damian DeWitt

              Chuck, I really appreciate your explications and learn so much from them. I just snagged a copy of Fads and Fallacies for $0.01 on Amazon.

            • FLUNK_101

              Martin Gardner is awesome.

            • Lady Squash

              I bought the hard cover $7.47…easier on my eyes.

            • FLUNK_101

              “please please read “Fads and Fallacies” by Martin Gardner”

              Good advice, Chuck. Martin Gardner is brilliant.
              Gardner gets the Korzybski connection to Scientology:
              “The most prominent convert to dianetics from the ranks of medical men has been Dr. Joseph Augustus Winter. He was a general practitioner in St. Joe, Michigan, when John Campbell, Jr. introduced him in 1949, by correspondence, to Hubbard. Winter had previously been interested in Count Alfred Korzybski’s methods of treating neurotics by teaching them general semantics, and like so many other members of the semantics movement, he found dianetics even more intriguing.”

            • DodoTheLaser

              Thank you, Chuck.
              This is very accurate description.

            • FLUNK_101

              It makes you feel bad, and the bad feeling lingers … think “cognitive dissonance.”

              “Some of the auditing sessions I’ve read/heard about seem like they are already upside down and inside out to begin with..”

              That’s like being reverse audited. That’s exactly how you’d feel, only about yourself, not someone else, and you wouldn’t feel very happy about this.

              It’s the opposite of feeling “harmonious.”

              Think of all the people that don’t like you!

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Flunk,”recall at time” is straight outta self analysis?
              So It is just how you phrase the question?
              DUH…..
              Shit…that is rudimentary/Socratic bullshit, isn’t it?

              EDIT: GRRRR, why did I not see the connection earlier!!! SHitAlready….!!!

            • FLUNK_101

              “Recall a time when somebody liked you” is from arc straightwire, chica.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              I hate ARC STRAIGHTWIRE!
              That shit still makes my head hurt!

              I would like to send that straightwire somewhere dark and painful.
              I liked much of Self Analysis…until I got THERE!!!!
              Dumb ass ginger he was!

            • FLUNK_101

              Even Martin Gardner liked Self Analysis – “As you can imagine, many curious combinations of senses and memories result from this ingenious process.”

      • Observer

        Black Dianetics. It was used on Nancy Many. No clue why it isn’t called Black Scientology or Black Auditing.

        https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/aida-thomas-interview-with-nancy-many.48973/

      • PreferToBeAnon2

        “Isn’t there some kind of Reverse-auditing when they really don’t like you.” Case in point: They tried to do it with Greg Barnes when he discovered massive out policy and started speaking about it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-Sh3hLn6PM

        • Poison Ivy

          That’s a LOOOOONG story the Barnes’ tell but it’s so representative of the way the church gaslights people as a matter of policy.

          • PreferToBeAnon2

            It is. Stumbling upon this and the Maria Pia Gardini story was what first piqued my interest in the cult. Before that, they were just a building in my neighborhood that my dad warned me to stay away from. So, thanks to them (and being a long-time sufferer of insomnia), I got caught up in it rather quickly.

            • Synthia Fagen

              That’s amazing that you made it through that video (which as an ex I find fascinating) and got interested in Scn from that as it is almost incomprehensible and so full of Scn jargon. I hail you. 🙂

            • PreferToBeAnon2

              Now, I didn’t say I understood everything! The version I saw had little captions that explained what some of the terms were. What was clear as day was how this very sincere couple was manipulated and screwed over and how devastating it was to them. Of course, I missed the finer details. But, it fascinated me–this was the mysterious religion that my Dad made me promise to stay away from! It wasn’t what I had imagined at all. And because the symbol used a kind of cross, I had thought it had something to do with Christianity. Not so much. From there, there was another video about Scientologists in Italy… then a short hop to Lisa McPherson, and I never looked back.

            • Synthia Fagen

              Thank you for caring. I find yours and others interest in the subject and compassion for others humbling.

      • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

        They don’t even need the Black Dianetics. Plain old every day Dianetics will drive you nuts too.

      • Debt OT

        All that crap is designed to drive you nuts. There is no “safe” scientology or dianetics. It’s like having a psychotherapist put you under a state of hypnosis, and repeating “One plus one equals three, and give me all your money.”

        • DodoTheLaser

          I second that.

          All the initial “good” stuff is there to get one hooked
          and blindly “travel” The Bridge to Total Nonsense.

          It’s a trap.

    • And I don’t rent cars!

      Thanks for explaining that to us. You are invaluable to the Bunker (and to me) as an educator in all things Co$! And I, like JonathanRoberts, would be interested in any info about the so called “Reverse-auditing” process if it exists.

    • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

      When delivered standardly — as always happen in the Church of Scientology — auditing results in wins of such magnitude that our parishioners routinely exclaim “POW! I blew more charge in one session than I ever did by smoking pot with (deleted) outside of her rental units.”

      • Jgg2012

        Don’t you mean “Pouw!”?

        • Poison Ivy

          Or as I call her, Powowowowow!

          • FistOfXenu

            Ka-Pouw?

            Or maybe Karen-poo? Since when ever she makes a public statement she’s just shitting us.

            • Poison Ivy

              Perhaps. Of course I’m of the belief that SHE doesn’t actually make any public statements. She’s just a stenographer for COB.
              She’s the human equivalent of “talk-to-type.”

            • richelieu jr

              She’s a cut-out for sure…

            • FistOfXenu

              Maybe she’s a puppet? Has any body here ever seen a person that goes by that name or is it just signature stamped at the bottom of a press release?

        • richelieu jr

          Kung Pow (chicken)!

    • Lady Squash

      That fact alone proves it has always been about the money. I had a roommate once upon a time who was on the Briefing Course. At the end of two years of study full-time she got to audit pcs. And guess what? Every folder she went through had gross auditing errors. And you are right, the parishioners had to pay to get “fixed”. Unbelievable.

    • Zana

      I agree. ! Thank you.

  • Captain Howdy

    Denise obviously has had a substance abuse problem for sometime (Fishman at least perhaps inadvertently got that right). The rest of her clan, excluding “Don” Miscavige of course, have left the crime org. Denise needs to go to a real rehab and make amends and start living a real life again.

    • PreferToBeAnon2

      We know that isn’t going to happen. Quite sad. I suspect that things will not end well for her.

      • Captain Howdy

        As my Old Man use to say “As long as you’re breathing, you still have a chance”

        • sugarplumfairy

          Les C. Brown: “if you can look up, you can get up..”

          • PreferToBeAnon2

            I was skimming so fast, I read this as “if you can hook up, you can get up”

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Don’t know How many Purif’s she’s done by now, but she did OT IV (drug handling for OT’s), and OT V when she did it, she should have attested to cause over life, blah blah… but lookee here….

          2008…she became a scientology drug rundown auditor!

          http://www.truthaboutscientology.com/stats/by-name/d/denise-gentile.html

          • PreferToBeAnon2

            I’m surprised she wasn’t running the illegal residential portion at NarCONon Georga alongside Mary Rieser. She would have been {perfect} for that.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              What gave me the chills today is when I saw her mug on Clearwater Intl Academy. She is farming and raising the future pods …. ewwwwwwww.

        • PreferToBeAnon2

          your optimism surprised me there Cap!

          • Poison Ivy

            Noticed the same thing! The sun must be shining in Boston – our Cap’n is smiling!

    • ze moo

      People convicted of DWI often have to go to rehab or at least outpatient drug and alcohol counseling, is NarCONon allowed to provide such services??? I would hope the legal system has some standards where an outpatient drug treatment can done. The Florida courts have had trouble with NarCONon Georgia, I hope they don’t allow their use.

      • Poison Ivy

        Narconon won’t help her, that’s for sure. But I don’t think a first offense DUI means rehab – it probably means mandatory AA for 3 months or something like that, a temporarily revoked license, fines. If she has a good attorney, that is. She was blowing a pretty high alcohol level, however.

        • BuryTheNuts2

          My step-son had a DUI here.
          Pay the fine….meh.
          3k later…life is grand.
          He didn’t need to do shit besides the fine.
          I think they sent him to one session with a PO who said he didnt need councilingl

  • PreferToBeAnon2

    Off-topic, selfish comment: Tony, I am so glad you left the Village Voice! We need you here and focused! And, you are going to have one helluva book!

  • Truthiwant

    I’ve got a new story out.

    I hope none of you here are offended!

    http://wp.me/p3a0JR-bU

    • BuryTheNuts2

      OMG….You are really good. Those comments rock!

    • FistOfXenu

      But this story is dated today. Did you really only post it today?

      • Truthiwant

        I wrote it over the last week and posted it late morning today. It has only been up for about 9 hours now.

        I hope I didn’t displease you.

        • BuryTheNuts2

          Don’t worry about it. If you displease Xenu and he gets mad at you…I will just get my twin brother to handle that for you.

        • FistOfXenu

          The reason I asked is I just read it 2 hrs ago and when I looked at comments I saw my name and avatar and a comment already there. But I didn’t comment there today. In fact I don’t remember seeing that story or commenting about it at all. So I wondered how my avatar and name got there without me.

          • Truthiwant

            The whole thing is a spoof!
            They aren’t real comments. I looked through many past posts of all the people and invented the comments myself to fit in with the story. Your one was taken from bits and pieces written by you over the weeks and I adapted them to fit in with my silly story! They are made to look like genuine Disqus comments but they aren’t.

            • FistOfXenu

              Thanks for setting that straight. But you realize that impersonating an evil alien overlord is a high crime in this guh-LAX-y and you could end up chained to a volcano and blown up with h-bombs. But since you came clean without forcing me to torture you I’ll do what I can to get you off with just some prison time.

            • Truthiwant

              I will willingly sweep up volcanoes or wash dishes at the implant stations for the next 500,000 years to redeem myself.

            • FistOfXenu

              But now look at that. You’re genuinely sorry for what you did. As far as I’m concerned that’s that. I’ll say to you what I’d say to MR & MR if they would do the same. I forgive you and let’s see what we can do together to make the future better. 🙂

  • PreferToBeAnon2

    I see that it made the front page of the Times on the web page. Can anyone confirm that it was also front page in the paper edition? I am imagining some Sea Ogre posted at the Starbucks this morning gathering all of the Sunday newspapers–particularly with all of those folks in town getting trained up for SuperPowerz stuff. I also believe the little runt is in town there now as he just appeared at some graduation thang.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Nope. But there is a splash about Cher saying Tom Cruise made her Top 5 in the lover position.

      http://www.tampabay.com/tbt/

      • Observer

        Great, now my skin is, as P.G. Wodehouse would say, “creeping briskly.”

      • sugarplumfairy

        Yah, but seriously.. She was married to sonny bono and Gregg Allman and had a LTR with bagel boy.. So, who is he lined up with?

      • Captain Howdy

        Ewwwwwwwwww!…that’s nasty. Beaver Boy fornicating with Medusa…ewwwwwwwww!

        • sugarplumfairy
          • Captain Howdy

            Why does that not surprise me?

          • 1subgenius

            Its easy to do a Cher impersonation.
            Just sing or talk like Mr. Ed.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Speaking of which…Here is Mr. Ed’s impersonation of Brian Culkin.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              I think the glasses are on the wrong end!

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          When I make You go ewwwwww….that’s sweet. She said it was pre scientology days.

        • BuryTheNuts2

          oops sorry…you said it way better.

        • Kim O’Brien

          suddenly ..the joint i smoked with her has lost it’s ” something cool i did when i was 19 ” vibe. Shit

          • FLUNK_101

            What’s cool about that story is what you said – just because you smoked a joint with Cher doesn’t mean you went out the next day and got a nose job!

        • FistOfXenu

          And what did they get up to with that middle tooth?

      • BuryTheNuts2

        Eeewwwwww

      • MissCandle

        Cher must have had terrible {lovers} in her life if T.C. made the top 5. Poor woman.

    • JonathanRoberts

      I’m looking at the Tampa Bay Times front page right now the article on Denise is right at the top in very large Bold print, “A DISCONNECT ON DRUGS” along with a picture of her.

    • tetloj

      I’ve seen a pic of the front page headline – not sure if it was wwp or esmb…lemme look…

      • tetloj
        • sugarplumfairy

          Hah! The big bold headline is DISCONNECT ON DRUGS.. The fact that they can use the word disconnect and everyone knows what it means in scientological terms is soooo great.. The light that Childs, Tony and so many others are shining is making it impossible for co$ opportunists to continue hiding their dark deeds.. I frkng lovvvve it..

        • PreferToBeAnon2

          sorry–didn’t realize they had a photo of the paper… and whoa!!

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        It’s front page on the Online version. It’s not on today’s paper edition that I can see, but they Do change front page sometimes several times during the day.

        • Jeb Burton

          I live in Clearwater and its in bold type on the front page above the fold.

          • PreferToBeAnon2

            how about Jeb or Jonathan capturing a photo for us?

            • Guest
          • JonathanRoberts

            Down in St Pete same thing BIG BOLD PRINT

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            Yeah! Then the tbt version must be something like a magazine paper version?

    • Sunny Sands

      Starbucks keeps the TB Times on the bottom rack of their newspaper’s 4 racks. The out-of-town papers are on top. It’s pretty obvious why.

      • BuryTheNuts2

        I love that Starbucks!
        It is the perfect spot to watch the ants.

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    Wait a sec. On her FB page, she is listed as still staff of Clearwater International Academy, and she is listed on their website. (There are also pictures of their teenagers who they sent out to do cleanup work at the Oklahoma tornado disaster site). Funny, they also state how they help the kids learn business tools. Denise is teaching them What business tools?

    http://www.clearwateracademy.org/about_clearwater_academy/faculty/

    http://www.clearwateracademy.org/

    I wonder if certain people Denise promotes on her FB page, like Tom Cruise, will now De-Friend her.

    • FistOfXenu

      “I wonder if certain people Denise promotes on her FB page, like Tom Cruise, will now De-Friend her”
      No, because as every body knows Tom is 1 of the only experts on drugs in the world. I bet he knows, he just knows, that he can help her.

      Just kidding. The best she can hope for is he’ll forget to defriend her for a while but I bet as soon as he thinks about it she’ll be gone.

    • PreferToBeAnon2

      Even she recommended disconnection in her deposition (you know, the thing that Tommy Davis said doesn’t happen)

    • Captain Howdy

      Denise is teaching the kids how the barter system works.

      • Observer

        *spit take*

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Now I’m wondering why Childs didn’t mention her “other” job, staff at Clearwater Intl Academy. That certainly would have put another edge on it. Also, they mentioned she started to learn to be an auditor in 2006, but didn’t mention she became a Drug Rundown Auditor in 2008. Maybe she had some dry down times.

        • Poison Ivy

          Takes one to audit one.

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            good one, PI!

  • Sunny Sands

    It was kind of funny in the article and picture to see the houses were painted “a kind of bedroom blue”. Not too far from the “big blue” color.

    Mr. Currie’s comments are a little troubling. He says his disability payments for sickle cell disease ran out, and he was about to be evicted, so turned to drug dealing. I thought sickle cell disease was a life-long condition, so he should receive disability payments indefinitely. You could run out of money for the month, but next month’s check should come in on the first or so.

    I agree with Scott P. about the DUI being more serious than possession. The newspaper headline did not mention marijuana, maybe just the online version did.

    Denise’s FB page says she works at Clearwater Academy International. Wonder what all the parents are going to say.

  • BosonStark

    An OT VII (or VIII) Scientologist who is a dope smoking slumlord/drunk driver, and the twin sister of David Miscavige — I guess she’s not going to be featured at any upcoming cult events?

    I guess Miscavige couldn’t risk putting her in cold storage with Shelly, but it is surprising that he didn’t make any attempt to to relocate her from the Clearwater area to Idaho or something, and try to set her up in some business that is less risky in the way of potential for bad PR. It seems like he should have gotten Tom Cruise to donate to this “operation” or something. I can’t believe Miscavige wouldn’t be keeping tabs (spying) on her closely.

    If she drinks, fine, send over the same cases of scotch he drinks, but assign her a driver or something. The future of this planet may be at stake!

    • Missionary Kid

      Perhaps, since the case hasn’t been heard yet, it would cause more problems if she doesn’t appear in court, she hasn’t disappeared yet?

      • BuryTheNuts2

        She is probably sharing a bunk with Mary Rieser right about now.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Oh, you mean using the Scared Straight approach? yowza

    • Poison Ivy

      He can’t “disappear” her like Shelley because she’s got a court date coming up.
      I still wonder if Shelly is even with us still. Gives me chills. Why isn’t anyone beating down the gates to Big Bear or INT trying to find her?

  • FistOfXenu

    I wonder if DM is privately gonna be making evil twin jokes? Irony is he wouldn’t have any idea she hasn’t caught up to him for evil.

    • Observer

      I don’t think Davey is capable of joking, especially when the subject is so close to him.

      • FistOfXenu

        So you think he’s still able to have human feelings that would make her “close” to him? Or do you just mean she’s close to him because he thinks she makes him look bad?

        • Observer

          Close in the sense of sharing his DNA. I’d bet my last dollar that COB is incapable of emotional closeness with anyone.

        • PreferToBeAnon2

          you didn’t put ‘human feelings’ in { }s. 🙂

          • FistOfXenu

            I was talking about real human feelings. Maybe the irony should’ve been {able to have}.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          I have never ever run across a narcissist, or a sociopath, or antisocial type that was able to change their ways, even if they tried, which most don’t. I Have seen them change their manipulation methods, their charmer, schmoozing ways and snakes, though. Many I have known were the “life of the party”, adored by many, although usually no one who worked with them for long or were personal associates/friends. And for these Aging ones, even less likely they are going to even try.

          The scientologist ones don’t even have a clean or useful resume, no real management skills, social skills. If they can’t rip off fellow scientologists as customers, they have a real problem. So what I am seeing is they set up some legit but either overpriced or barely valuable service company, and when they go bankrupt or get sued, they just set up another business. Actually, many have a 3-ring business circus going. Like I said, most I have come across stay strictly in the white collar ring. Destroying people’s lives in a slow death by financial rip off is more acceptable in the the U.S. than immediately doing them in. However, I will say that there was a great deal of boozing and some weed smoking within these groups and they had No Problem whatsoever if wog staff that were Super Salesmen also were druggies, boozers, and/or had criminal records.

          • FistOfXenu

            Yup. That sounds more how I see DM.

          • Bob

            THDNE- Very accurate description of scamatologists I know. Comes with the territory.
            “Stupid is as stupid does”. They learned from the best.

        • MO Mom

          I thought it had been clearly established that the tiny weasel was totally incapable of caring about anyone but himself.

          • FistOfXenu

            It has. I just wanted to be sure I knew what Observer meant. 🙂

            • MO Mom

              Forgot the sarcasm font…. very sorry

  • Mary_McConnell

    Before the Tampa Bay article went viral on the forums and Facebook,. there were 2 mugshot pages on Denise up and easily found by keyword searching “Denise Miscavige” “mugshot”. Now they are not showing up on Google Search

    Garry Scarff and I found mugshot pages, respectively, here with Google Search http://florida.mugshotsdatabase.com/1084816/denise-gentile-mug-shot/ and here http://mugshots.wtsp.com/profile/1533447/denise-gentile

    We posted the links in the thread comments here at SPs ‘r’ US
    https://www.facebook.com/groups/325785144156523/permalink/490866667648369/

    But now the Google search results I obtained originally for these keywords results are not showing links to ANY mugshot pages at all at. How the heck did the cult manage that? The pages exist but the urls have been de-indexed ( take out of search pool)

    Look here: https://www.google.com/#sclient=psy-ab&q=%22Denise+Miscavige%22+%22mugshot%22&oq=%22Denise+Miscavige%22+%22mugshot%22&gs_l=hp.12…22218.24875.4.26441.2.2.0.0.0.0.72.141.2.2.0…0.0…1c.1.18.hp.bQyIRfD9Bh8&psj=1&bav=on.2,or.r_cp.r_qf.&bvm=bv.48572450,d.dmQ&fp=c17de55b5a7af543&biw=1024&bih=614

    Someone at Google is a friend of the cult’s? Someone needs to look into that.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Mary, her court records are still available for public view. Also, if you searched under “miscavige” instead of “gentile”, might be why.

      https://public.co.pinellas.fl.us/servlet/pcg.wsclient.servlet.AdultDocketServlet?CDI=CTC&CASE=139842HAUASP&CS__RESULTS__KNT=10

      • Mary_McConnell

        Yes, I know that. I found them yesterday and posted them at SPs ‘r’ US at Facebook. Most people don’t want to get into searching for court records. This is why I post them and court docs so they are easily available.

        My concern and reason for posting the above is for those searching for her and her mugshot. Mugshots are a popular search… there is a proliferation of sites now and if one has a mugshot and they are from states with easy access to criminal records, it wil be on the net. The seriousness of these mugshot site pages on Denise being de-indexed means that anyone searching for her mugshot will not get a mugshot page result because Google took them out of the indexing pool.

        For the most part people have to pay money to get them removed from the website (and only if they charges were dismissed or they received a Not Guilty verdict).

        De-indexing is generally done by court order only for removal of defamatory content as decided or agreed in court. Someone at Google is a friend of the cult and had these removed immediately… very unethical, possibly damaging Google’s position that they de-index things only under specific and strict rules. It would outrage many who have been trying to get things removed and their only recourse is to sue the defamer and then present a court order to Google.. costly. Someone with connections at Google got this done without the usual procedures an policies.

    • PreferToBeAnon2

      Sounds like a “Sea” change! Will check Anon later!

    • FistOfXenu

      Sounds like Google needs to be investigated?

      • And I don’t rent cars!

        Off topic FOX, but this way is quicker! As to your own analytical and deductive skills, you were right on yesterday with your “moose” question to me. I was just being coy with you and pulling your ???? – shit, does Xenu have anything to pull?! I am quite confused as to your anatomical makeup…
        Oh shit, skunk alert. SKUNK alert, gotta go….

        • FistOfXenu

          Even Marcabians are confused about it. You should see how complicated mating gets.

          • And I don’t rent cars!

            I’ll bet.

            But have you ever seen Nicholas Roeg’s movie with David Bowie “The man who fell to earth?” It will give you some ideas for alien sex with a human should you need them.
            The important, cult classic sex scene, which I unsuccessfully tried to locate a video clip of, is the second one (I believe) with Thomas (David Bowie as alien) and Mary-Lou (Candy Clark as human girlfriend).

            If you are interested in locating this video clip yourself, make sure it is the Director’s Cut (Nicholas Roeg) version – which was edited out in the American release as it was considered too controversial for American audiences’ tastes and values but guarantees spontaneous volcanic eruptions. Er, I meant, blow your FOX soxs off.

            Unless you have a real love for foreign, auteur type films, I would suggest you locate this director’s cut clip of this scene as opposed to renting the complete film. Otherwise might scare the bejesus out of Mrs. Fox before you are ready to reveal your true alien self. That is, if you haven’t already done so. Which I suspect you haven’t as she is still married to you!!!

            Here’s a 35th anniversary review and review of the film. http://www.reelingreviews.com/themanwhofelltoearth.htm

            Here’s a more scholarly review and synopsis of the film.
            http://www.flixist.com/the-cult-club-the-man-who-fell-to-earth-1976–212410.phtml

            Should you “decide to accept this mission Mr. Xenu….”

            • FistOfXenu

              Thanks for the movie recommendation. I’ll check that out. Don’t worry about Mrs FOX. She knows all about me, and It won’t scare her but it might give her ideas. 😉

    • And I don’t rent cars!

      I think Geir Isene would be the perfect Superhero to look into this for us. But YOU, another Superhero, have done a great job in researching and alerting us to this morning!

    • Spackle Motion

      Mary, her mugshot is under the name “Gentile” not “miscavige”. Why would “Miscavige” show up in a Google search if the mugshot is under another name?

    • Kim O’Brien

      yeah …sure …THAT makes sense

    • chukicita

      Mary, it looks like you searched for “Denise Miscavige” “mugshot” — Searching for Denise *Gentile* brings up many options. Occam’s razor, human error!

    • Jon Hendry

      The non-government mugshot sites have a nice grift going where, for a fee, they will take your mugshot down.

      So if her mugshot were to disappear from Google, it might not be Google’s fault.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        yes, there have been more and more of those types of sites popping up.

  • Damian DeWitt

    Peter Griffiths wrote: “Remember Kyle Brennan”.

    Michelle “Emma” Sterling has reproduced the three-part comment I wrote at Tom Tobin’s article about Denise Miscavige’s role in Kyle Brennan’s death and her lying repeatedly under oath about her involvement as well as the lies under oath by Detective Stephen Bohling and Medical Examiner Marti Scholl that support the narrative crafted by Scientology’s intelligence agency the Office of Special Affairs (OSA) that Kyle committed suicide and the Church of Scientology had nothing to do with his death.

    The comment also touches on OSA’s withholding documents in discovery from Judge Stephen Merryday much as it has been attempting to do in Laura DeCrescenzo’s case, as well as fabricating documents it presented to Judge Merryday.

    See Michelle’s post at Ex-Scientologist Message Board: http://bit.ly/14FSzyI

    “Did anyone read the comments from Damian DeWitt under the story? This shit is serious!

    Posted by Damian DeWitt as a Three-Part Comment to the Tampa Bay Times article, “Scientology leader David Miscavige’s twin sister faces marijuana charges” athttp://www.tampabay.com/news/sciento…ijuana/2129224 ”

    Depositions which expose the perjuries of all these people only became publicly available a little over a year ago. So far no investigative journalist has dug into these depositions and penetrated beyond OSA’s narrative to get at the true story of Kyle Brennan’s death and none so far has interviewed Victoria Britton, Kyle’s mother.

    However, the blog The Truth For Kyle Brennan has posted nearly 30 articles on many facets of police and Scientology corruption in the case with relevant excerpts from the depositions and accounts of Kyle’s family’s interactions with law enforcement.

    http://vbreton2062.wordpress.com/2013/04/16/the-truth-for-kyle-brennan/

    The blog Justice For Kyle Brennan has several articles including the first extended narrative on Kyle’s death and the events that led up to it based on the depositions:

    “The death of 20-year-old Kyle Brennan as an Enemy of the Church of Scientology”:

    http://justiceforkylebrennan.blogspot.com/2012/08/the-death-of-20-year-old-kyle-brennan.html

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Thank you, Damian. I just posted a link to your comment. I hadn’t really put the pieces together, but yeah, this is seriously troubling.

      • Damian DeWitt

        Thanks for spreading the news around and posting a link, not sure to where.

        Kyle was killed at on February 16, 2007. Detective Stephen Bohling of the Clearwater Police Department was finally pressured into closing his investigation by members of the US Congress in late 2008 so Kyle’s family could file their wrongful-death suit in February 2009.

        I was not aware of the case except in the vaguest sort of way until the summer of 2011. When I started to read something was extremely fishy.

        All the direct evidence of Kyle’s purported suicide was missing from the scene, and Detective Bohling first denied to Kyle’s family that a gun shot residue test had been performed on Kyle’s hands that would detemine if Kyle pulled the trigger on whatever weapon that killed him.

        (It is conceivable that Kyle was murdered with one weapon, and his father’s .357 Magnum was planted at the scene along with the three most-probably-OSA-forged notes to make his death appear to be a suicide.)

        Kyle’s hands in fact had been swabbed for a gun shot residue test by forensic technician Jennifer McCabe, the daughter of Pinellas County DA Bernie McCabe. Bohling blocked processing of the test.

        Bernie McCabe prosecuted the Lisa McPherson case. McCabe had information from the family that Kyle’s $5000 collection of gold coins was stolen from him after he died, that Kyle had extra anti-depressant medication with him and was taking it every day, and that Kyle had a 2 1/2 hour conversation with his Uncle Gary Robinson the day he left for Clearwater and his death nine days later.

        Bohling omitted all of this from his report.

        As a result it was very difficult to see the corruption going on the CWPD since the only publicly available document was Bohling’s report.

        It was only two months after Judge Merryday dismissed the case in early December2011 that Bohling, Miscavige, Brennan’s and other depositions became publicly available around the fifth anniversary of Kyle’s death in February 2012 when Kyle’s attorney spoke for an hour and a half on a God Discussion radio show about the case. He said “There are many question marks and many exclamation points.”

        The depositions are what really reveal evidence of corruption. Among other things they reveal that Detective Stephen Bohling is pals with Sarah Heller, the Flag OSA liaison with the CWPD.

        One of Heller’s jobs appears to have been to propagate the OSA line on Why We Protest. Anons trolled her into the ground so she gave up.

        However, Heller has been appearing as a “paralegal” throughout the Kyle Brennan wrongful-death suit and has been present at every deposition and is listed in those attending as part of Team Miscavige.

        It has been reported that at the deposition of Kyle’s Uncle Gary Robinson that Heller slammed a book down on a table when Gary testified that Kyle had all his gold coins with him the day he left for Clearwater and that he had been taking his Lexapro anti-depressant every day in recent days.

        This means that Kyle was taking his medication every day up until the day before Kyle’s death when Tom Brennan seized it, undoubtedly under the guidance of his “spiritual counselor”, dipsomaniac Denise Miscavige, and locked it in the trunk of his BMW319i, and that therefore Kyle was not in some suicidal state as OSA Int succeeded in hoodwinking Judge Stepehn Merryday into believing.

        Even with these depos available as of February 2013 it was difficult for the public to see what was going on in the absence of a narrative based on the newly public depositions.

        Citizen journalist Justin Ross has filled that gap somewhat at Justice For Kyle with his major article “The death of 20-year-old Kyle Brennan as an Enemy of the Church of Scientology” and other pieces over the last nine months.

        And Victoria Britton has now posted many articles with excerpts from depositions and heretofore unpublished correspondence at The Truth For Kyle Brennan.

        Still, this extraordinary story needs the skills of a first-class investigative journalist, and Victoria Britton has acquired an agent for a book project.

        Actually, it deserves a movie.

        When a friend asked Victoria who she would want to play her in a movie, she replied, “Cate Blanchett.”

        • And I don’t rent cars!

          WOW oh WOW. Thank you for another brilliant assembly of complicated, compelling,far-flung facts and then posting a synopsis that is beautifully and elegantly thought out and laid out for us.

          P.S. I don’t know what you think about a 1956 Mercedes 300SL posting this comment but, “Your mind sure turns my crankshaft!”

    • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

      It’s gonna be a longer period for Denise, if she ever, recants or shows remorse for her influence on Tom Brennan who himself (as Denise’s guinea pig student pc, she was doing Tom’s Grades, Denise was doing her FSO Academy training grades auditor training, and Tom was her student preclear/patient), so both Denise and Tom were just executing the FSO MAA’s “Handling Program” written for Tom, to deal with Kyle’s being on psych meds and psych treatment, which led to Kyle’s death directly.

      Tom was under a lot of pressure, that pressure came from his group, Scientology. Denise was doing what was required of her by the system.

      Hubbard’s organized Scientology unchallengable prejudiced practices are what pressured Denise and Tom Brennan and caused Kyle’s death.

      It’s the Hubbard rabid anti psychiatry prejudices, embedded in Hubbard’s organized church setups. All of the Scientology church Ethics Officers/Masters at Arms (the church in house investigators and handlers of rule violators) are required to similarly react the same way, and influence their members to react like Denise and Tom Brennan did.

      The weight of the whole Scientology setup pressures their members to act badly.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        But I don’t recall anything in any policy that says keep a loaded gun out in the house after you take your son off medications. Or lie to authorities, or remove computer files and obstruct justice. This isn’t bad behavior. This is criminal behavior. So I agree, scientology pressures you to behave a certain way, but it’s not behaving badly, it’s behaving like a criminal.

        • Missionary Kid

          What? {The Most Ethical People on Earth} behaving criminally? (Impossible!} =snark font.

        • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

          for sure.

          I blame Tom Brennan mostly, and the Hubbard system. I think the case ought to have been tried, and our legal system for all its excuses, failed here.

          A whole Kyle Brennan multi article piece, actually a book, needs be written.

          Tom,Brennan and the Hubbard system bear the biggest brunt of the blame, I think, in the end of the story. Hubbard’s system tries to shore up the CW police cooperation, and Hubbard system drove the FSO MAA to write the “Handling Program” that Tom executed, which Tom as Denise’s guinea pig patient/preclear was obligated to see executed before she would be allowed to take Tom back in session on the student auditing Denise was giving Tom. Tom’s the one most responsible, and there’s more details I’m sure of Tom’s culpability that need to surface, which OSA isn’t happy to let surface.

          Needs a book! Or TV documentary. Or more prosecution if there’s a path in that direction.

    • Poison Ivy

      Damian, if Victoria is looking for a ghost, contact me via the Rodeo.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        excellent!

  • Schockenawd

    I’ve never been in, and I know I don’t have all the rules down, but don’t all these connections to f’d-up family members make DM a PTS? (Or how about just a TS — no “P” about it?) Not that it really matters. We’ve learned by now none of the rules apply to him.

    • BuryTheNuts2

      Let’s put it in the kings English instead of Scion.
      David Miscavige is an Ass Hole!

      • ze moo

        Don’t mince your words BTN2, tell us how you really feel!

        • sharon brown

          Tiny dick’s my Favorite ! He’s always trying to overcome his ” short” comings , and it’s Not working !

        • BuryTheNuts2

          I would like too, but I am too shy.
          That is what you get for not using the “font”

  • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

    What a laugh!! Great way to start the day! I guess I am just Mr. No Sympathy on the Tone Scale!!!!

  • Espiando

    Does schadenfreude count as a Funny for purposes of Sunday Funnies? If so, I hope that today’s later post can live up to this one in terms of laugh-your-ass-off potential.

  • baddog5623

    “Slumlord” she really is his sister! / No lumps of coal for her this X-Mass / Looks just like him / Where is Gentile, no one has seen here in public in years / If DM was my brother it would take more than weed to get through the day.

  • ze moo

    She was arrested in January and we are only hearing about it now?? Someone almost covered it up. Someone is “one toke over the line”. Poor dwarfenfürher, no one can cover his back.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ql0IB1zv2MA

    The Lawrence Welk version is somewhat different.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ye3ecDYxOkg

    • sugarplumfairy

      Lol.. That’s amazing.. My first reaction was ‘did they know what it meant?’ but they’re musicians!!

      • ze moo

        Apparently because the word ‘Jesus’ was in the song it became a ‘spiritual’. The Greatful Dead covered the song too. What a combo, Lawrence Welk and Jerry Garcia….

        • California

          Grateful Dead

          • Robert Eckert

            They were great, also.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        (in my best Woody Allen voice…) Well, let’s ask the writer himself, Tom Shipley, what he meant…

        http://www.songfacts.com/detail.php?id=2506

    • Captain Howdy

      That’s priceless. I have fond memories of watching Welk as a kid. Notice how accordion guy gagged when he said “dick”?

      • Sherbet

        That’s a scream! Didn’t anyone tap Dale and Gale or Dick and Gale or Lawrence and whomever on the shoulder and say, “Um, hey, do you know what that song is about??” Apparently not.

        • Captain Howdy

          They told Welk, and he said “Wonderful! Wonderful!”

          • Missionary Kid

            Correction: Wunnerful, Wunnerful.”

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            ooooch again!

    • Phil McKraken

      Hey look! It’s Dick Dale, King of the Surf Guitar!

      • Captain Howdy

        Holy shit! you’re right. When I heard the name I thought “is that?” and then I thought “no way would he be on Welk”, but I just looked at some photos and it is the King of the Surf Guitar.

        • Missionary Kid

          Check my reply to Phil. Dick lives northeast of 29 Palms, CA, and has his own private air strip called Dick Dale Skyranch. He was never on the Welk show. That’s a different Dale, known as a singer and sax player.

          Hendrix was a fan of his, and there’s a video of him playing with Stevie Ray Vaughn out there.

          • Captain Howdy

            “I don’t have time for your facts and figures”

            • Missionary Kid

              I know, it’s more fun to think that the guitar god was on Lawrence Welk. 🙂
              Your reply sounds like a $cionbot attitude. Again, 😉

            • Captain Howdy

              Actually, it’s from a routine that Kathy Griffin did about the scilons

            • Missionary Kid

              I should have recognized it. Her riff on them is appropriately on the mark. She’s done a bunch of different ones.

            • stillgrace

              Ha Ha. I got that immediately!!! When I mentioned the possibility that the surf guitar king sang on Lawrence Welk (which my family watched every week {way back}) to my professional guitarist hubby, he said in no uncertain terms “no way, hazel!”

            • Phil McKraken

              My sentiments exactly! Seriously though, singing that song on The Lawrence Welk Show has got to be one of the greatest TV goofs of all time.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Me neither, I have a full bottle of wine this evening.
              Cheers to lushville!

      • Missionary Kid

        Wrong! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_Dale_%28singer%29
        He’s older, a singer, and was born in Iowa. The Dick Dale of surf guitar fame was born in Boston.

  • Sunny Sands

    Not the best, but here ’tis.

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    Okay…here’s a PDF of the paper version, Front Page of Tampa Bay Times, today’s edition:

    http://www.tampabay.com/specials/publication/Times_1A/20130630.pdf

    • PreferToBeAnon2

      my new desktop wallpaper!

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        I love that headline. Brilliant, friggin’ briliant!

        • Damian DeWitt

          It’s the equal of “The Truth Rundown” for David Miscavige.

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            The Hubbard’s and the Miscavige’s. Now there’s only one left from each camp:

            Diana and Davey.

  • BuryTheNuts2

    I had to go trim my roses first thing because I KNEW if had coffee and got on the computer I was toast!
    I was right!
    Time for cup number 2.
    It is going to be a really good day.

    • PreferToBeAnon2

      I’m pissed I have a brunch date–with folks who will roll their eyes when I mention my “unusual hobby” again.

      • BuryTheNuts2

        That is another reason I cant quit this blog. Everyone else rolls their eyes at me when I mention the Sciloons.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          It was raining when I should have been in the pool for physical therapy, so I came here. Big mistake. But I Will get in there….
          ps: We had a “Theta Slider” from that burger joint. It was delicious, but now I’m wondering if I need GasX or repair auditing?

          • sugarplumfairy

            put the iPad in a ziplock bag and get in the pool..

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Thanks SPF! I learn so much here at the Bunker.

            • sugarplumfairy

              You TEACH so much here at the bunker..

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              tks, spf.

          • BuryTheNuts2

            Baahaahaa. I was wondering how “theta” those sliders really were!!!
            You guys are so bad (and yet so good!)

            • ze moo

              Do those burgers come with ‘thetamole’ sauce?

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              No, not even clam sauce….but they have other doozies… but for real, Theta Sliders. And you bet your bippy I checked out the owners…no sci connects I could see.

              http://www.square1burgers.com/menu/

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Oh boy, I’ll be going there next visit to Sarasota. Did you see one of the drinks called Pinks and Greens? Boy that’s awfully close to pinks and blues….

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              this is too funny, Bury. When we came home, I felt this kind of twitching in one shoulder muscle. I laughed to myself, uh oh. Then another movement a little lower on that same side. wtf? Then Another one in a different place and I leaped out of my chair. I wrestled Something, wrapped my dress around it, somehow got my dress off while still clenching the Something twitching, ran half naked to the door and threw it out on the carport but only after squeezing it tight. I was Not expecting a high pitch squeal! ewwwwwwww!

              I of course had my husband, who is Chairman of Monster Slayers, go out and see what it was. Leaping lizard. Felt bad I killed the critter, but happy ending….

              No Thetans were Sliding down my bra after all. hahaha weird, huh?

            • BuryTheNuts2

              I love the lizards!

              But they can scare the hell out of you when then sneak up on you like that.

              We had a black racer come in the house not long ago and I was not home to do critter control.

              Mr.Nuts is deathly afraid of snakes and had to get it out of the house alone.

              God I wish I had a video of that.

            • Captain Howdy

              They have any Monitors where you are? My friend who lives in Miami was telling me about them.

              http://youtu.be/nUZChFPHaYg

            • sugarplumfairy

              =

              I’m staying up north..

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Now you know why I have guns!

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              I know the racers freak and run if you get near them, but if one got in our house, I’m calling You, Bury. I’ll have tacos and margaritas at the ready.

            • Captain Howdy

              Nothing to be scared of. They’re cuddly.

              http://youtu.be/AesPgf3K3bw

            • JonathanRoberts

              Monitors, Boas they are the worst moving their way up the state. People get them as pets then turn them loose now they are offering bounties to take out the Boas

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Not yet. But I work right up the road from where that pet python snake killed that baby girl in the last year or so.
              My sister laughs at me because she says every time she sees something really weird. dumb or otherwise deranged in the news….Its almost invariably in Florida.
              Sighs.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Tampa Bay Times has , or had, a link to Weird Florida news….daily.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              If any of you read http://www.fark.com they have a FLORIDA tag for news articles from here. Yeah, we deserve it.

            • Espiando

              So does Gawker’s automotive-focused site Jalopnik. I got sick of Fark a dozen years ago and have never gone back, but Jalopnik does a good job with auto-related Florida mishaps.

            • Missionary Kid

              Where do you think Carl Hiassen gets all his wacky characters? He said in an interview that all he has to do is follow the news in FL.

              BTW, just finished Bad Monkey. Fun read.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              I have never read his stuff.

              I don’t read too much fiction…but am willing if it is good.

              I have read some Laurence Sanders and he pretty much make mince meat of Floridians and it is great.

            • Missionary Kid

              Other Bunkerites will tell you that he’s a fun read. My first book of his was Lucky You. The people in the books are outrageous, but they are all believable, given their character.

            • Missionary Kid

              See THDN’s comment.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              me too, and yes, its floiduh weird funny

            • Sidney18511

              Yeah Bury, it seems like all the crazy shit happens in Florida. Remember the dude that ATE the other guys face off? I think it’s the heat. Some people’s brains just get fried.

            • grundoon

              Is it time for that Komodo Dragon story now?

            • Captain Howdy

              Sure..The guy who owned the store that my father eventually bought, told a story about something that happened to him when he was on an island in WWII. He was standing guard duty and he heard the sound of something in the darkness and gave the command “Who goes there?”, which drew no response. He said it repeatedly, becoming more frantic as he imagined Japanese soldiers slowly creeping up on him in the darkness. He took out the flashlight he had and turned it on only to see to his horror….. a giant dragon! He dropped his gun and ran back to camp where his fellow soldiers laughed at his crazy story.

              No one had told them that Komodo had giant lizards.

            • Missionary Kid

              And Komodo dragons ARE dangerous, since they not only have highly toxic saliva, but are somewhat venomous.

            • grundoon

              “General, you’ll take this group of islands, then this one, then this other one. And oh by the way, G-2 says that this one here is the abode of giant man-eating dragons, so look sharp.”

              Not too hard to imagine how that message might not get passed down the line.

            • Sidney18511

              I live near Miami and once in a while but very rarely will see a monitor, but the little lizards….we’re loaded with them.

          • FistOfXenu

            “We had a “Theta Slider” from that burger joint”
            This made me think there could be a business opportunity. Diners near $cientology properties that do special “SP” days where all the food and drinks have entheta or J&D names and themes and the decor is stuff like DC-8’s or waitresses dressed like Battlefield Earth and shit. And on those days if you have your SP declare or other proof, you get a discount.

            Okay so it wouldn’t really work out but I’d love doing it for the lulz.

        • sharon brown

          That’s why I come here, you guys understand ! My daughter asked me if I had seen After Earth , and I began to rant about Wil Smith’s ” possibly” being a Scion. To which she said, ” I thought you liked the Sciontology people, you’re always talking about them.” I was mortified , and quickly explained my love of crime watching ,waiting for justice, karma ,whatever to catch up with them. Then I realized she hasn’t paid attention to a word I’ve said previously about them ! So I come here with the people that understand . Love you guys for being here or I’d have to become a druggie like Denise ! 😀

          • Phil McKraken

            Ain’t the Internet great? Communities of mutual interest are so easy to find and to form. Also, it’s a bitch for Scientology.

            • FistOfXenu

              And most any thing that’s a bitch for $cientology is gonna be good for reality and the human race.

        • Observer

          I hear ya, sister.

        • MissCandle

          And Dexter and other serial killers. Come to think of it, S-Lying-Tology and serial killers have a lot in common.

      • JonathanRoberts

        It’s kind of funny the people who don’t share the same devotion as myself a keyboard commando. Then I cannot even fathom those that were in what they went through.

  • Mark

    How very sordid. Drugs and drunk-driving aside, her properties look like fire-traps, to judge by the pictures in the paper.

    • JonathanRoberts

      I’ve actually been to that specific address pictured in the article and yes it is a major dump.

      • Mark

        You’re a braver man than me, Jonathan! Looking at it on Google Earth, I’d guess that 120 15th St. North has been subdivided by building over the original back yard, to cram more tenants in – a typical slum-landlord tactic.

        • JonathanRoberts

          Yea it’s not a nice area there are still some good people down there though. No drugs, drinking just trying to live their lives amid all the crime & chaos. The sad part is the really young kids nothing you can do just hope for the best.

  • Kelly Irwin

    Looking at her picture, I’m guessing more than alcohol and pot are involved. Have you seen the “faces of meth” site?

    • Gerard Plourde

      I had that thought too. Maybe not meth, but I wouldn’t be surprised if she’s using something more than pot.

      • BuryTheNuts2

        If David Miscavige was my twin…I would pass go straight to the good junk.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Denise is going to need something like the Witness Protection unit to get away from his “handlers” this time.

      • stillgrace

        No obvious telltale facial skin lesions, so probably not meth. I agree that the map of her face indicates that this woman is in trouble … more than just alcohol and pot.

        I find it so delicious that DM is in town for today’s TB Times headline! Can you imagine being on the Big Bean’s shit list today?!

        He may have had a hand in “divorcing” the name Gentile from Miscavige on Google. I hope someone captured before and after screenshots.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          oooh, he’s in town? Do you know what for?

          • stillgrace

            My source is ESMB and apparently, it’s to handle his twin’s mess.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Thanks. Then there should be yellow tape around the scientology buildings, some kind of warning for the innocent wogs …. Do NOT go near this area!

            • stillgrace

              Karen De La Carriere also mentions he’s supervising Super Power Training. Boy, I would love to be a fly on the wall for that!!

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Oh yes. Thought he would just make an appearance to get his applause fix and then fly off to his man cave. Maybe he’s also sticking around to micromanage lawsuits. He’s the only one he can do it right, ya’ know.

            • PreferToBeAnon2

              Supposedly he also spoke at some graduation event. I think he was in town while Rinder was getting married as well. The little paranoid pariah hired a bunch of off duty cops to “protect” the buildings from the influx of SPs who came to attend the wedding.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              He was here (or supposed to be) a few weeks ago too.
              When Dee and I went by the Coachmen building it looked as thought there had been a ceremony of sorts in the parking lot. And there was a nice Mercedes hard top convertible in the parking lot too.
              Hmmmmmmmm
              I have a pic at work I can post tomorrow…I was wondering what they were up too.
              I think its more than just Denise being handled that he has been in Clearwater of late.

            • stillgrace

              I agree! The thought of Little Boots supervising sooper power training just cracks me up!
              And it might be the HEAT, but I find myself in a bit of an unkind mood … I look closely at Denise’s mug shot, and all I can see is her yellow-T-shirt shoulders up around her ears. From that I imagine ape-like arms hanging all the way to the floor. Can’t unsee that! Shame on me.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Its OK. It is not a pretty shot.
              But still….I get the feeling there is more going on at Flag than the Denise flap.

              Edit: They gave Dee and I too much attention for a couple of ladies going to the starbucks…hmmmmmmmmmmmm

            • Damian DeWitt

              Marc Headley at WWP: “I just spent two weeks in Florida. More epic shit is on the way Davey…”

          • BuryTheNuts2

            Think he is at the Oceola penthouse?
            Damn, I wish I had a good night vision camera….we could watch him goose stepping in maniacal circles!

        • Gerard Plourde

          “No obvious telltale facial skin lesions, so probably not meth” That was my thinking too. Just the same, as a colleague of mine used to say when I worked for the Court-administered bail program and dealt regularly with addicts – “She’s one hurtin’ cowboy (or girl in this case).” The only caveat I’d put in is that she could be on the road to meth use or have just started.

          • stillgrace

            It’s her eyes, I think, Gerald. That same wild stare can be found aplenty at “Faces of Meth”.

            • Gerard Plourde

              The eyes caught my attention too. Here’s some interesting information from the Tampa Bay Times Article-
              “Police raided the rentals a second time just before Christmas 2012. They charged a St. Petersburg man with operating a drug house and said they found crack, pot, oxycodone and a Glock handgun in the cottage.”
              Crack is also a possibility.

        • And I don’t rent cars!

          “He may have had a hand in “divorcing” the name Gentile from Miscavige on Google.”

          Calling Mr. Geir Isene for comment… One ringy dingy, Two ringy dingy…

          An “Ernestine” Sunday Funny:
          http://youtu.be/k9e3dTOJi0o

    • Espiando

      It’s Florida and white trash. I thought meth was assumed.

    • Captain Howdy

      It was reported that coke/crack was being dealt out of properties she owned also.

      • Kim O’Brien

        yeah …that is not the face of ” just a stoner” …not even close

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          and how, pray tell, did No One at scientology’s private Clearwater International Academy not Notice anything wrong? I wonder how many whales send their kids there. Maybe at least 1 or 2 of them will hear the wake up call sirens in the background?

          • Missionary Kid

            I doubt it. They’re clams, after all.

    • I dunno. Enough alcohol of the right (or wrong) kind can do just about anything to a person that any “hard” drug can do.

      • Missionary Kid

        The direct effects of heroin are much less than alcohol. It’s the indirect effects of self-neglect that cause the problems, as well as the people one hangs out with.

        • Captain Howdy

          Very true MK. Alcohol is much more damaging to your body than dope.

          • BuryTheNuts2

            Um, yeah, except for that slight overage estimate of a dose of horse that has killed about six friends of mine whose math was slightly off…
            It only takes one real screw up…Come on.
            I know the drill….
            Do not whitewash it.
            Losing people to dope sucks…
            And trying to beat them out of it while they are dying in a bathtub is even worse.
            Or throwing Ice on them…It fucking sucks to watch someone die like that.

            That is why I love you so much.
            I want to come to Boston and give you chicken soup and a loaded hash pipe every other day.

            • Captain Howdy

              I wasn’t trying to down play the dangers of heroin addiction. All I’m saying is that physiologically, opiates are less damaging to the body than alcohol. That’s a medical fact. Everything else you say is true.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              As long as you know I love you and I am WATCHING U!!!!

            • Captain Howdy

              Goodnight and watch this and I hope your dreams are this much fun.

              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yp0k_o8gfQI

            • Losing people to alcohol also sucks.

  • California

    It seems she badly needs real rehabilitation for her addictions and perhaps the judge will see fit to put her on an intense and extended program of rehabilitation and supervision. She appears to need every bit of help that she can get. I do not know anything about her relationship with members of the family who are not David but I also hope that they are there for her and encourage and support her sobriety.

    I cannot feel good watching the slow steady destruction of a human being by drugs and alcohol, even if it does reflect badly on SCN. This is a slow motion suicide. Let’s get her some real help.

    • JonathanRoberts

      She is probably screwed all of her friends connections etc are scientologists. All they want to do is get rid of the SP things do not look bright for her.

      Although someone outside of COS has already offered help and a place to stay she probably won’t leave COS. It might just be karma she played a great deal in the death of a young man Kyle Brennan maybe she has to answer for what she did.

      Kyle Brennan was not a suicide it was Murder fyi

      • BuryTheNuts2

        I agree he was murdered.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          at the very, very least, criminal negligence. And I hope Denise gets professional Non scientology help too. It’s just that her kind of personality disorder usually does not get real help voluntarily. So if a judge orders her to rehab, it would be very interesting to see if she sits still long enough to let anything bite. However, she is still deep in the woowoo so she is Not going to agree to talk to a psychiatrist, not this soon. I hope she proves me wrong on all counts. I would be happy as a clam to be wrong.

          • BuryTheNuts2

            Yeah, being who she is makes her predicament magnified by dozens.
            I do feel bad for her….sorta.

            • JonathanRoberts

              She can either get out & get some help to start her life over.

              Or scientology will take care of her she is a liability now straight or not david miscaviage will exile her to some hole for the rest of her life. Or give her the keys to a car to take for drive that will accidentally get run off the road killing her.

              That’s the way I see it her only choice at a life is to cut and run hoping for the best. She needs to tell the truth about Kyle Brennan. Getting that off her chest along with COS will go a long way towards helping her.

            • Damian DeWitt

              The FBI has had complete information of the death of Kyle Brennan for some time now. Perhaps the arrest of Denise will get them to move in on Bohling and medical examiner Marti Scholl and the cover up going on in the office of Pinellas Country DA Bernie McCabe.

              The smartest thing Denise Miscavige could do is to get immunity for her and her husband Jerry Gentile and tell the FBI everything she knows about the death of Kyle Brennan.

              If Kyle was murdered because he was calling the FBI, then ultimately David Miscavige had to give his approval to “terminatedly handle” Kyle as he gave the same order not three years after Kyle’s death to Rex Fowler to “terminatedly handle” Tom Ciancio.

              Ciancio knew far more than ever publicly known based on statements that Ciancio’s widow Laura Ciancio made.

              Unfortunately, I think Denise Miscavige’s addiction to Scientology is incurable and that she is probably near Stage IV terminal Scientology-cancer.

              No one in this story understood Scientology’s power to degrade human beings better than Kyle Brennan.

              At one point in his life Tom Brennan had been a good-enough father to Kyle and his sons Sean and Scott.

              When Kyle was just 13 a year after Brennan rejoined Scientology after he and Victoria were separated, Kyle expressed his concern about Tom’s foolishly wasting his money on Scientology. Victoria told him he needed to respect his father’s decisions about his money and his life.

              When he was 14 Kyle saw Scientology degrading Tom into an embezzler and putative arsonist when he started a fire in his apartment in the Ivy Gardens complex in Charlottesville.

              In August 2006 Kyle saw Scientology further degrade Brennan into someone who threatened him with physical and potentially lethal violence when Kyle refused to be handled.

              When Kyle fled home from that first visit to Clearwater he said to his family, “You don’t know what Scientology has done to my father.”

              This was Kyle’s greatest concern – to save his father from Scientology and put an end to its progressive degradation of his personality.

              The only way he could think to do this was to go to the FBI with the hope that they would eventually put Tom Brennan in jail for his embezzlements and Ivy Garden apartment arson and finally separate him from Scientology and offer him hope to become a decent human being again.

              It is perhaps Kyle’s contacting the FBI, which Brennan discovered only three days before Kyle’s death, that is the real cause of his death, and not anything to do with suicide since there is no evidence that Kyle pulled the trigger on any weapon and no evidence he was ever suicidal except in the heretofore largely successful fabrications of OSA.

              If Kyle Brennan was murdered his death is Scientology and David Miscavige’s greatest crime.

              Sooner or later the Miscavige twins are going to be held accountable for the death of Kyle Brennan.

              David Miscavige has now spent over $1MM to defend Tom Brennan, who is a nobody. He spent $30 million to cover up the death of Lisa McPherson.

              Will he spend another $30MM to defend Denise Miscavige?

              Several former Scientologists here like Denise Brennan and Chuck Beatty have written with moving compassion and hope for Denise Miscavige.

              I hope that she has not passed the point of no return. Every single member of her family has defected from her twin-brother’s regime, and I have no doubt they all long for her defection and restoration of their disconnected relationships.

              Denise Miscavige is an alcoholic who is not in recovery. Scientology is not going to save her because so far it has nothing but degrade her.

              Perhaps her only salvation is the same as that Kyle envisioned for his father – separation from Scientology by getting put in jail by the FBI.

            • And I don’t rent cars!

              Amen.

            • JonathanRoberts

              I agree 100% that the only route for Denise is to leave scientology and come clean with who pulled the trigger on Kyle Brennan.

              As you say the FBI has the limited forensic evidence, then they know it was murder. It’s just that Clearwater PD officers Yuen & Bohling screwed up so bad they have not given the Federal authorities much to work with to reopen the case.

              Yuen did not secure the scene, gather appropriate evidence, conduct proper interviews (I mean Mr. Gentile coached Tom Brennan through Yuen’s half a**ed interview). The exit projectile was never recovered, the crime scene was released way to soon etc etc. All the legal documents, depositions are so filled with conflicting information it is just horrific to read about it.

              Young Bright Loving Kyle Brennan was just starting out why did someone have to murder him, just for scientology, so sad. The only positives are Kyle died doing what was right and other youths have read of his story. So they will not become fresh meat for scientology, Kyle has saved many teenagers from a terrible existence.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Then she needs to get a different lawyer, stat, and enter the witness protection plan if she stands a chance. David Miscavige has got to be busting his blood pressure limits what with everything else going on….. and in a dangerous frame of mind.

            • aquaclara

              As far as Davey and Denise go, I hope this happens and that they are held fully accountable. Kyle deserves this.

              For the Tampa Bay Times to investigate and report on the full story here, including the link to Kyle, is tremendous. I understand that the print version of today’s paper is visually impressive, too.

              Just wondering-is this why the mansion property in California was purchased recently?? We thought it might be someone prominent who needed a place to stay that was ultra private. Maybe Davey thought this could be kept quiet.

            • Damian DeWitt

              By “this mansion property in California” do you mean the Larry Hagman Mansion in Ojai?

              This is an intriguing possibility. Speculation has been that Miscavige bought it because Tom Cruise was ashamed of the tattiness of Narconon facilities to recommend to his celebrity addict friends.

            • aquaclara

              That’s the property. I know-I also assumed it would be for a celeb of the non-Scilon sort. But what if this were the real reason? Hmmm.

          • Damian DeWitt

            I would love to see a court to order a psychiatric evaluation of Denise and force Scientology to publicly have to defend her refusal. More fuel for the bonfire.

          • aquaclara

            “Happy as a clam”…I like that!

  • pronoia

    I think I’d want to stay as high as possible if my twin was DM. Joking aside, it is obvious that she is very ill and is in need of real treatment. Which could be, if she has the strength to pursue it, the silver lining in all this. iMacs hope that she can reach out to her non/ex scientology family members for help.

    • Espiando

      So Windows and Linux boxen don’t care about her? It’s only the iMacs?

      We all hope that she can reach out to the Rons and to Jenna, who says she still loves her aunt. It all comes down to if she’s able to break after having this much invested in there. I think that our greatest hope is that she gets out, decompresses, and comes clean about what really went on with Kyle.

      • pronoia

        Jeeze Louise. Annoying spell check on my ipad is annoying!!! I meant to simply type “I”. Don’t now how it got converted to iMac.

        • Espiando

          I kinda figured. But when spellcheck/autocorrect throws out something as golden as that, you have to take advantage of it.

    • MissCandle

      {Isn’t everyone “high” compared to Shortie?}

  • Kim O’Brien

    Pot for rent ?? That is brilliant !!!!! And by the thousand yard stare in her eyes, it was some good shit. Oh sweet irony….how i love you

    • Captain Howdy

      My slumlord trades rent for drugs, sex, you name it. His father and Joe Barboza use to work together as debt collectors back in the 60’s from what I hear. His uncle made the front page of both papers back in 2002. He’s on a long vacation at Club Fed now.

      • Kim O’Brien

        now i am thinking of the scene in Kingpin when Woody Harrelson has to sleep with his landlady to pay the rent LOL….man captain …you have had a very interesting life. I would love to buy you a pint the next time i am back in Boston

        • 1subgenius

          I think of and quote that movie often.
          My fave was when he pretends to be Amish and says, “You know what the Bible says about that. Its against it.” (Can’t go wrong there.)
          And as I recall the landlady had a particular response to sex that I won’t mention here.

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      “And by the thousand yard stare in her eyes, it was some good shit.”

      To be fair Kim, she IS a scilon so she’s most likely got that stare down pretty well even without being baked.

      • Kim O’Brien

        noted 😉

  • sharon brown

    Brick by brick ,Tiny Fists empirical family is helping to take him and COS down ! They can make her the poster child for Narcoscion, this would be an excellent success stoAy ! Also a testament for All you can achieve as an OT VI ! Tiny fists, you sure are lucky to have such a supportive family , your Leadership skills obviously Suck ! Wave at me on your way down, Davey boy !

  • Robert Long

    Soooo….

    Time to fund the Idle mOrgue campaign with massive donations of chronic blunts?

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      Maybe the Celebrity Center can finally get Snoop Lion to join the fun.

      • L Rong Retard

        That’s tobacco he’s enjoying

        • L. Wrong Hubturd

          There can be only one!

  • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

    I thought Denise’s caring attitude for her tenants was actually a good sign about her as a person. This will hopefully make her unqualified for Scientology which is good for her.

    This raises my sympathy and positive thoughts about her.

    And she’s actually moving up a little higher, in life, if you ask me.

    • BuryTheNuts2

      How sad that someone has to go through something like this to break away from her chains (miscavige,twin,scientology) and move on up.
      I hope Jenna and Ron sr. help get her the hell outta there.

      • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

        I hope she in her court appearances doesn’t turn into the normal idiot bland Scientologist, but shows real remorse and actually acts more like a normal citizen. I fear for how her attorney will mask and mold, with probably influence from Scientology, her appearance(s) in court.

        The faster she becomes a regular citizen again, the better for her and her family.

        I think her older brother Ronnie, and her dad, will help her and her family out, and the whole Miscavige bigger family that is now out of Scientology, I hope help each other out here! I’m pretty sure they will, as opposed to Denise being all influenced through the Scientology worldview, in facing this situation.

        • BuryTheNuts2

          This would be ideal. But my assumption is that Dave has her on lockdown already.

          • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

            You’re right.

            But her dad is her dad, that is a fact, and I think she might find more future with Ron Miscavige Snr. and Ron Miscavige Jnr, in her life. Her dad wrote his book, and Denise’s older brother, Ronnie Jnr, has for years been a landing place for senior leaders, remember Mike Rinder sought out Ronnie Jnr.

            Family does matter, underneath all this Scientology indoctrination, and the simple choice for Denise of who she most might lean towards, her emotional bonds, I hope she knows her dad and older brother will help her out, which I’m sure they would!

            But you’re right,

            Probably someone is being sent from “Int” by Miscavige, or some RTC person from Clearwater, or some OSA person from Clearwater, might be tasked to be tending to Denise and Jerry Gentile at this moment. Or some trusted Scientology local contemporary of Denise’s, a close friend of hers she respects, might be tasked with being Denise’s full time “watch” by checking up on her daily.

            One thing Scientology provides it’s members, is church lawyer support, if they play ball as good Scientologists, and you’re right she’s gonna be smothered that way and likely already is.

            Karen de la Carriere, I hope Karen shares her opinions on this.

            • ze moo

              She was arrested in January. DM has had handlers all over her since then. Its only becoming public because it is court time. The scieno pr machinery will be running full time to cover it up for the loyal minions and put down the wog press. DWI convictions often have a chemical abuse treatment requirement. Lets see if and when she does hers in a non-narconon setting.

      • Poison Ivy

        Does anyone know anything about her husband? He seems a blank page in all this.

        • JonathanRoberts

          He used to only be home on weekends however he is the one that helped Tom Brennan through the totally inadequate unprofessional questioning officer Yuen performed the night of Kyle’s murder. I believe it was his KR that told of the limited questions the rookie clearwater cop unprofessionally asked Tom Brennan what a disgrace Yuen is and was.

    • PreferToBeAnon2

      The tenants didn’t have hot water for the 9 months they lived there.

      • pronoia

        I noticed that too. She used the utilitie money on pot. Looks like she was using this method to hide her habit from others – these kinds of shenanigans are a true mark of a serious addict.

        But these kinds of shenanigans are also universally regarded in the recovery community as a cry for help.

      • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

        Yes, I read over that, for sure she’s rightfully labelled a “slum landlord”, but at least she maintained some rapport with her clients, and that is a plus, to me.

        I myself for my job visit the lowest economic areas daily on my job, the basements is where I do my job, inspecting gas meters for safety. I even occassionally visit the abandoned building basements. Why hot water is off for months at a time can be for multiple reasons, but in any case, from a middle class viewpoint, she’s a ‘slum landlord’ no question. Tenant non payment on electric or water leads to shutoff of those services, there are all sorts of reasons, especially when the tenant is incarcerated, the water and electric can be shut off.

        Just so many details but the pictures speak a thousand words. I do see the positive in this, as this might lead to her getting out from under her brother David’s shadow, and back to normal citizenry, by this twist of fate.

        • Sunny Sands

          She appears to have some support system that could help her if she decides the time is right to leave. Her father, uncle, and Jenna to name a few.

          • Spackle Motion

            She’s not going anywhere. I would place a lot of money that she’s being kept under lock and key, only to be let out for her court appearances.

            Denise has blood on her hands too, remember. I’m glad that Childs got in the Kyle Brennan story.

      • Poison Ivy

        Doesn’t sound out of character for Scientology. Just MEST details, that hot water stuff.

        • And I don’t rent cars!

          Actually sounds like she taken LR’s (Landlord Rundown) from her brother! Aren’t the conditions for SO at Big Blue similar or worse?

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      Chuck says,”I don’t often snark, but when I do, it’s the best”

      • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

        I was tempted to advise Tony to run the headline for this blog thread:

        “Denise Miscavige, moving up a little higher, her own way”

        but that’s cruel. I hope she can come through all this, and write about, sanely, with remorse and apology, years from now, then good for her. There are so many layers of Hubbard’s prejudices (which seem so logical when one’s embedded in them) that one has to shed, to get out of the irrational Scientology mindset. It’s easy to cruelly joke about their hypocrisy and twists of fate. The harder they are good Scientologists, the harder they fall when their system fails them.

    • Peter

      Hey, Chuck, I don’t comment here that much, but I read faithfully. I just wanted to say that – hands down – you are the most compassionate poster on the blog, always looking for and commenting on the best. I admire that in you tremendously.

  • Espiando

    I just finished watching the Stones do “Midnight Rambler” at Glastonbury yesterday, and realized that I could found an entire religion on that that would have more validity, sanity, and spiritual fulfillment than Scientology has ever had or ever would.

    Also, Keef may be the poster boy for the walking dead, but he still looks better, even in HD, than Denise’s mug shot.

    • BuryTheNuts2

      Keef….Is freakin awesome.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      forgive my cattyness, but she reminds me of the cat lady

      • SP ‘Onage

        Wazzup with that tan on her facebook? You’re supposed to eat Nutella, not rub it on your face.

        I wonder if her and the runt own twin tanning beds?

        • BuryTheNuts2

          ” You’re supposed to eat Nutella, not rub it on your face.”
          baahaaahaaa, does she look like tanning mom?

          • SP ‘Onage

            Yeah, except she doesn’t live in Jersey.

        • BuryTheNuts2

          This should make Denise feel much better about herself.
          Even a bad mug shot cannot come close to this broad!

          • SP ‘Onage

            OMGWTFLOL!

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            here’s the cat lady I was referring to, and this is one of her Better looks!

            [IMG]http://i40.tinypic.com/28vrj0y.jpg[/IMG]

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Oh I love her! Jocelyn Wildebeast!

            • bradleyg

              I hit that. I’m not proud of it… After a night of doing tequila and collagen shots, one thing led to another…

          • MissCandle

            Oh, so she’s the Tanning Lady — the Tanaholic.

          • bradleyg

            “Blackface” is so offensive…

          • bradleyg

            I’ve never really seen Nick Nolte in a dress; he looks good in red 😉

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          that’s um, and old picture.

  • May_West

    Would love to know who is paying her legal fees.

  • Ivan Mapother

    I guess Denise can take her name off the Tom Cruise wife audition list.

  • So what’s happening to her tenants now? Are they still stuck with her, or another slumlord, or are they just being turfed onto the street? This is Florida, so I know they aren’t going to get a happy ending.

  • Jeb Burton

    What i liked about the story, was that she was hired for a salary of $123,000 three months before she even started. She had no discernible skills for the job. Then after 2 years, after she was fired for screwing up a 9 million dollar order, shipping partially filled boxes and trying to make it look like she filled the order, she was given a year severance pay, laptops, phones and other goodies. The president said he couldn’t just fire her because of who her brother was. Un fucking believable,

    • ze moo

      This is why you never invest in company owned by scientologists. Diskeeper (now condusiv) had similar problems and skated away from them. Then they got high and mighty and denied tech support to ‘psychiatric’ establishments. No one who worked for the State of NY ever had Diskeeper bought for them, it was crappy product for people who didn’t have system admins or the ability to find and click defragment or use a registry checker. Lightwave paid off Miscavage by overpaying his twin. Inurement laws aren’t hard to get around if your twin sister (with a different last name) takes the payoff. I wonder how much was kicked back to Davey???

  • Patty Moher

    Tampa Bay Times Portrays Twin Sister of Scientology Leader as Dope-Smoking Slumlord LOL! It doesn’t get any better than this.

    • Damian DeWitt

      SPs are going to be partying down for months on this.

  • Robert Eckert

    Off topic, Justice Kennedy denied the “Emergency Stay” motion in the California marriage case, without comment.

    • stillgrace

      A fitting, final slap for those sore losers!

      • Espiando

        Since the Scinos pumped money into Prop 8 passage, it’s only right and fitting that the clams and bigots get boiled in the same pot by the same chef. As long as they flavor the broth with their sweet, sweet tears, I’ll eat the resulting stew happily.

        • Missionary Kid

          The biggest part of it was the Mormons. The movie, 8: The Mormon Proposition covers it very well.

          It wouldn’t pass today. Not only have attitudes shifted away from the viewpoint that Co$ has, but it set off a firestorm of backlash.

    • TonyOrtega

      Oops, wrong case.

      • Robert Eckert

        I was referring to the Prop 8 case, hence my “off topic” intro.

  • Sidney18511

    I would think if big bro doesn’t decide to throw her under the bus and declare her, that the COS has already put her through the Narconon program to make her look more responsible when she goes to court. But the BEST thing that a judge could do for her would be to sentence her to some jail time and force her to separate from her scion buddies.

    • ze moo

      Why should any judge accept NarCONon as legitimate drug or alcohol treatment?

      • BuryTheNuts2

        Ignorance.

        • ze moo

          Maybe the County District Attorney can change that attitude.

        • FistOfXenu

          There’s still a lot of that going around.

  • Sidney18511

    In the article in the newspaper, it says that they STOPPED paying their mortgage back in 2011, but it seems that they were still collecting rent and utilities payments. Did anybody else notice that?

  • Racnad

    How many members of the Miscavige’s family are still in the Church?

    • BuryTheNuts2

      david, lori and …maybe denise?

  • Spackle Motion

    Scientology is the gift that keeps on giving.

    It’s never a dull moment around here.

    • BuryTheNuts2

      People I know think I make this shit up!

      • Spackle Motion

        That’s why I only talk about it when asked.

        • BuryTheNuts2

          That is pretty much why I stopped!
          I do know one guy who is totally hung up on Xenu now…hehe

      • Missionary Kid

        It’s ironic, considering that LRH made it all up, isn’t it?

      • stateofcircle

        Mr. stateofcircle thinks I’m crazy and gets concerned I’m going to join the cult.
        I try to get him to read the bunker. He’s not much of a reader.
        I can only talk about this shit with you guys. Awwww.

        • BuryTheNuts2

          oh oh…Mr. nuts used to thing the same thing.
          he was so worried I was gonna join. He finally figured it out that I really am an ANTI Scientologist.

          he is all better now.
          but I still cant talk about it with him…
          I just say…Its a good day…gotta party with the bunkerites.
          he rolls his eyes and says what kind of wine do i buy?

          he is a good man.

          • stateofcircle

            He kind of gets it, but still has that fear no matter what I say, and I’ve been reading about this stuff for 3 years now. I always find that when he asks me a question about something scilon, it is never a short answer. There is always sooooo much explanation. Not for people with short attention spans. He does always joke about me being on the bunker…especially when I could be getting ANYTHING else done 🙂

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Oy vey. I DO understand.

        • My husband gets it, but every time I talk to him about it, after about three sentences he asks, “why aren’t these people in jail?” And then it just gets too depressing.

  • PreferToBeAnon2

    I was wondering if one of the ex’s here could comment… At the start of an auditing session, aren’t you asked about drugs (among other things) to see if you are sessionable?

    • Truthiwant

      Usually at the beginning of a session, one of the questions before starting is “Have you had alcohol in the last 24 hours or any form of medicine in the last 7 days”.
      However, I seem to remember that this question was not always asked. I guess it was assumed that a “good PC” wouldn’t think about drinking or popping pills during auditing!
      I remember sometimes coming out of an auditing session in the evening and one of the first things I desired was a nice cool beer but I had to calculate if I had atleast 24 hours before going back in to the next session! I’m sure that desire would have been considered out ethics!
      The whole thing sounds completely crazy now!

      • BuryTheNuts2

        My love of alcohol and other substances saved me from ever being a Scion…well, and also I am not a Miscavige….

        • Truthiwant

          One of the great things in life is opening a bottle of wine in the evening after a hard day’s work.
          A bottle of fridge cooled white wine, slightly frosted with condensation, the satisfying noise of the cork being popped and the gurgle as the cool wine is poured in to a glass……ahhh…what bliss….

          • BuryTheNuts2

            Chilean Moscato.
            Not great,….but very good.
            Nice and cool…but not cold.
            I am a happy person 🙂

            • Truthiwant

              I had Orvieto from Umbria, Italy, this evening. Again, not great but it did the trick!

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Awesome.

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            Sounds great. Chilling some Pinot while letting our huge tray of grilled meats…we had a Grill Fest, food for much of the week, lean beef angus franks, pork tenderloin, Caribbean chicken thighs, 1 ribeye, burned in sauce.

            I was reading Rinder’s blog about DM’s latest efforts to try and fool the lawyers, judges and the sheeple about the Super Power. He says he has 100 people already assigned to do maintenance at the building? What maintenance? Is that code for shredder folders (hah). And all those whales who bought VIP seats and millions to to be first in line….now have to redo everything since he’s come up with the GAT 2 gimmick, before they can do Super Powers of course. These people have done the bridge upside down inside out 3 times over. At least it is satisfying knowing DM is really, really sweating buckets.

            Well, wine seems to be chilled and ready now.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Chilling some Pinot while letting our huge tray of grilled meats…we had a Grill Fest, food for much of the week, lean beef angus franks, pork tenderloin, Caribbean chicken thighs, 1 ribeye, burned in sauce.”

              If I didnt have a Dr. appt tomorrow…I would be there in an hour.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Fridge full for the week. Hey, I also read on Rinder’s blog’s leak about what DM’s is feeding his sheep…. of course the whales can’t do Anything until the org staff get trained on the new Gat 2, right? He claims there are 1,000 of them. So he’s still stealing both public and staff. They can’t even do Purifs and Objectives Do Overs except at Flag if they are OT’s? Unbelievable.

              But here’s what perked me up: He announced he’s having an ED Conference (I assume at Flag), didn’t see a date. Uh Oh! Remember the Mission Conference? This will interesting. Someone has Got to be scapegoat for each org doing so poorly. I smell Trouble with a Captial SP.

              I just wonder if any judge or anyone outside the sheeple is going to buy DM’s latest stall and excuse tactics. But he also said it will be opening soon! No date, though. hah

            • BuryTheNuts2

              He has got to be “this close” to running???
              I feel it in my bones.
              He can be stupid….but really? HOW STUPID?

  • Sherbet

    Why do people say they hope Denise gets out of the cos? Let her stay there! A druggie slumlord with a skewed sense of the ethical — whether she’s a scientologist or not, she’s not exactly a stellar citizen. Out of scientology, she still wouldn’t be a stellar citizen. Miss Denise has lots of potential to give brother Dave further black eyes, so it’s fine with me if she keeps getting her name tied with his and with his unholy “church.”

    • BuryTheNuts2

      I understand….but would she be this way if she hadn’t been exposed to the worst of Scientology and a truly evil twin?

      • PreferToBeAnon2

        You could say the same about Marty. I keep going back and forth… wrestling with the judgement. I don’t think anything is clear-cut but I do know that intrinsically I want people to take responsibility and pay for what they have done to others. Forgiving her for what happened to Kyle isn’t so easy. But, I do wonder what her nature would have been like hadn’t she had her lot in life, being a twin to true evil and getting caught up in the mindfuck.

        I have a friend who completely turned into another person because of crack. Didn’t even recognize him. Now that he’s out of it, he’s back to being himself… completely honest and would do anything for you to help out.
        From what I hear, she was once a good person who wanted to help people so I hope she returns to her natural state. I wouldn’t wish $cietonlogy on anyone.

        • BuryTheNuts2

          You could say the same about Marty. I keep going back and forth…

          Ditto Annie Broker/Marty vs. Denise/Kyle Brennan.
          I understand.

          • Spackle Motion

            Anyone that thinks Marty is a good person out of the cult and he got caught up in the mindfuck should read posts on the subject by “Gottabrain” at WWP, who was a witness to his destruction while in the cult.

            Marty not only got caught up in the mindfuck but he got off on it. It takes a certain type of personality to enjoy ruining others’ lives, regardless of the motivating circumstances. I’d rather have him outside of the cult but remember what he did to others for decades and only stopped because the heat suddenly turned on him.

            He’s a disgusting human being, in my opinion, and should be brought to justice. Denise also ruined lives and should be held accountable. I don’t care if she’s nice or mean….she hurt other people, criminally, and has unaccounted culpability.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              I agree, you cannot pay for crimes by whitewash or “that isn’t the real me”.
              You do the crime……………………
              That does not mean they can’t feel remorse or be rehabilitated.
              But I got ya.
              I am forgiving….but not that fucking forgiving.

            • Spackle Motion

              Forgiveness needs to be humbly earned, not given, in my opinion.

            • PreferToBeAnon2

              absolutely!

            • Peter

              Forgiveness is not about others, it’s about first forgiving oneself. It’s *much* tougher than most attempt.

        • Sherbet

          I don’t know if scientology made Denise what she is today. But I’d bet money that, if she were to leave cos this very minute, she still wouldn’t be a very nice person. Maybe she’d eventually be one, but, right now, I doubt it. I’m not condemning people who smoke pot or people who drink too much. I don’t live under a rock. I’m not even condemning Denise. But she seems to have acted like a sleazeball with a very suspicious connection to Kyle Brennan at worst, and, at best, she is an embarrassment to cos and Dave.

          • BuryTheNuts2

            I’m not condemning people who smoke pot or people who drink too much.

            THANK XENU!!!!

            • Sherbet

              I’ve got history, Bury. I don’t use or drink, but I’ve had an unwelcome education in the stuff. If anyone wants to indulge, go right ahead, and I’ll still love ya, and I’ll even make the snacks! I just can’t get it into my life. As for Miss Denise, It’s hard to say if she’s a hard-core druggy/alky, or if she’s using to forget who her brother is and what she had to do with Kyle Brennan, or if she’s just a gal wanting a little fun. It doesn’t matter to me. I think her worst crime is (Kyle Brennan’s story notwithstanding) that she’s taking advantage of the poor who live in her tenements.

            • FistOfXenu

              You’re welcome BTN. Like always.

            • Sherbet

              Wow, I should rewrite that! Thanks for the nudge, Ms. Bury!

              DM and cos PRETEND to be so high-minded, that it’s delightful to see someone close to both who’s an embarrassment. Is that any better?

        • Peter

          If someone is to take responsibility for what they have done to others, it follows they must first take responsibility for who they ARE.

          • BuryTheNuts2

            True enough.

      • FistOfXenu

        She’s just proving she’s DM’s twin. After all he’s 1 of the biggest slum lords in the world. SO and staff quarters and living conditions suck even if they aren’t being punished but then look at RPF, RPF’s RPF, the Hole and all the rest of it. Slum lord

  • BuryTheNuts2

    When I refresh Dicksuq…entire sections of comment dialog go missing. Been doing that all day.
    There , and then poof.
    Anybody else or am I nuts?

    • PreferToBeAnon2

      I had disappearing sections last night… as well as duplicated posts…

      • BuryTheNuts2

        Whew, I was thinking the wine kicked in before I even drank it.

        • Sandy

          It is so weird. I read about everyone’s troubles with Disqus and none of that ever happens with me…? I have a very ordinary laptop, run with normal Firefox, and it’s all good roads and good weather. I don’t get it (not complaining, just sayin’ …)

          EDIT: now that I said that out loud, I expect trouble …..

          • BuryTheNuts2

            I use several PC’s running windows.
            An ipad, an iphone and I use multiple browsers.
            When Disqus decides to bite the wall. I am fucked on any and all….

            I do surf browsers…but I just run into different issues.

            Fortunately…I have figured out workarounds for most issues.
            But some days I get lazy and just want to bitch!

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      Ditto that all weekend.

    • FistOfXenu

      You may be nuts but not about Disqonnectus. If I don’t refresh I don’t see new graphics but if I do refresh posts come and go – and I still don’t always get to see new graphics. And then it gets so slow and weird I end up deciding it’s not worth staying here unless I have insomnia and need to kill time.

      • BuryTheNuts2

        Oh it is worth it too me.
        But it still makes me craycray.

        • FistOfXenu

          It stops being “worth it” when the automatic refresh stops working and I have to refresh the page myself over and over and over or else I have no idea what every body’s saying. And then I have to do it again after 5 min, and then again and again and again. That’s when I think about how I’m not getting younger.

          • BuryTheNuts2

            but you are XENU. You are not famous for your patience!!!
            hehehehe

            • FistOfXenu

              I’d work on it but nowadays the time I have for hanging around waiting’s getting shorter.

      • Bella Legosi

        Don’t you just love the “Forbidden” page that pops up when you go to find some comment reply? That is when I just go to disqus.com and read from there. But checking disqus at it’s own site does not update on the module used on this site. I have come back to see 20 replys for me, just to find out they are all old.

        Or when you suddenly get a crap load of notices and you realize that they were typed in cyberspace months ago, but are just now getting them?

        • FistOfXenu

          You get that too? Annoying as hell. Couple of weeks ago I got replies like that and when I went to them they were from April. WTF. Worse, some of them I’d already upvoted or answered. WHY did Disqonnectus decide to tell me about I’d answered posts in April – in June?

          • Bella Legosi

            Yup……I get that all the damn time! When disqus added the spy feature to the votes I came on and see like 59, so I click and there were comments from January, Feb, and March. It was a mess! Prepare for more fuckery with disqus, the comments are reaching 500 again! Jesus, Tony has himself a mini social media site going here. I was thinking of maybe opening a WP account just for everyone who wants to go off topic, I have been playing with that idea for a couple weeks. I just may create such a space for you wonderful people when I get back from the dentist tomorrow!

            Speaking of spying………Have you heard of the Operation: Talk like a terrorist all the time? 😀 YT it. I have been playing around with it at other sites. My dad and I have been talking like terrorists to eachother since the Pat Act was put in place………

            • FistOfXenu

              Speaking of fuckery with Disqonnectus, my last post took 3 tries to get it to stick instead of disappearing when I clicked “post”. And I get this message now that Disqonnectus is trying to run a script and it’s not working right anymore. It’s too much like hard work now. I’ll be gone soon. I’ll go sit outside and watch lightning bugs instead.

            • Bella Legosi

              Yup it is happening to me. Everything froze cuz I had my YT playlist up

              >(

              I had to reload and exit my YT tab!

        • BuryTheNuts2

          Damn
          Bella,….we need to have the same shift…….

          • Bella Legosi

            Sometimes we do!

            Lately I have been on the graveyard sleep schedule, but in the last few days my sleep patterns have gotten all messed up. Kinda why you see me jump on and then off for hours.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Me too….I am still all fucked up from being on Pacific time…
              I can’t let it go….
              I have a dr. appt at 7am eastern….Or 4am your time.
              I am still on YOUR time.
              I swear I need to move back to the west coast.
              My sister is begging and I am considering it big time….
              I miss giant redwood trees…

            • Bella Legosi

              Shit, vacation in Alaska in the summer time. Good luck getting sleep at all then. They are an hour behind Oregon. The sun really does not start to go down til 11pm and when it is 3am it looks like dawn (kinda creepy in a zombie apocalypse type of way) Alaska is prolly the only place where tin foil on windows isn’t seen as being related to skeezy drug/slum lords!

              My ex JT got jet lag like a mofo when he got his leave from Iraq. He stayed up for nearly 2 days, then crashed for one. That sux! Hope you get on a stable schedule!

            • BuryTheNuts2

              OH MY GOD…I had a great friend “willie” who was on Meth. He used to tin foil his windows and peek out a tiny corner..
              He used to see the fantasia hippos out there dancing.
              God life is funny….

            • Bella Legosi

              lol my aunt was like that! She would peek out the crack of curtains and watch shit out of the peep hole constantly. My mom was the total opposite. She would turn on all the lights and open all the windows, cuz if there WAS someone out there she wanted to know about it lol aye tweekers.

              One of my dad’s roommates would come into the house, lock up all the doors and windows before hiding in his room. So, when dude would get in his room my dad or uncle would knock on some random wall in the house and watch dude come out all paranoid and recheck the locks. Kinda mean, but hey buy the ticket, take the ride right?

              That tin foil business always reminds me of the movie “Bug”! My god that was a fucking fantastic movie!

            • stillgrace

              “Buy the ticket, take the ride.” Hunter S. Thompson. One of his other quotes (not written by him but spoken on the phone to his friend Johnny Depp) reminds me of Miscavige’s current legal maneuverings: “It’s like an eerie trumpet call over a lost battlefield.”

            • Bella Legosi

              *nods in agreement!*

            • PreferToBeAnon2

              I too had a friend (who also lived next door) who went the tin foil route. He was unique: he was a Mormon, gay, and an emergency doctor in the Air Force. After his second tour in Iraq, he came back self medicating pretty bad and wouldn’t go out of his house much anymore. He lined his windows with tin foil. Of note, he did the autopsy on Sadam’s son. Sometimes I would wake up, go downstairs, and find him asleep on my couch–him telling me that he felt safer there. He was getting thinner and thinner and wouldn’t talk about it or do anything to help himself. He was just wasting away and there was nothing I could do. I did something I felt I had to… I called his family in Salt Lake who eventually came and picked him up. They were in complete denial though…wouldn’t recognize he was gay or that he was in pain and were afraid he would lose his medical license if he got help. I was just afraid he would lose his life.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Aww, that is sad. I hope he is ok.
              fucking mormons live in denial.
              I loved Utah…but shit!!!

            • stillgrace

              I was wondering if you missed the redwoods. I have tons of relatives in the Eureka/Arcata area, and spend much time there. The redwoods are a vital part of my sanity.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              I can get lost up there happily. I love that area so much.
              There is nothing like a giant tree to make you feel insignificant and small.
              A living thing you outranks you by centuries and commands your attention.
              One of my favorite drives is Willit’s to the coast. Corkscrew carsick drive.

              And then North to Orick and the Elks..right on the coast.

              I may have to move home soon. My sister and I were talking about it.
              And Hubby misses it to.

              we are discussing the pros and cons.

            • stillgrace

              I was blessed to spend all my summers on a 300+ acre ranch above the town of Blue Lake, It’s where I learned to ride. The ranch is still there. I was there for a visit earlier this year. I think that is where I will eventually end up. I love the area. The only downside is the occasional pulp mill “odeur” across the bay. Maybe the reason your time cycle is off is because the area is in your blood, and it wants you home! (??)

            • BuryTheNuts2

              LOL, “it wants you home” is Exactly what my sister said.
              I miss seeing Mt. Rainer or Mt Shasta in the distance on a drive. I miss the wineries in and around Ashland Oregon. I miss Mendicino and the botanical gardens and big sur…
              the North Coast Brewery in Fort Bragg and Glass Beach.
              OK….I think we know when I retire….I am going back to the left coast that I miss the most.
              (As long as I can skip LA…I am good)
              Even though my aunt lived in Topanga Canyon and I loved it there too!!!

            • stillgrace

              Glass Beach! One of my son’s favorite places when he was young. Skipping L.A. is generally recommended. I like San Diego, though. Traveling there in a couple of weeks. I love to sit on a terrace in Mendocino and watch the fishing boats go out in the morning and then watch them come back in the late afternoon.

            • Missionary Kid

              Yeah, but could you live far enough away from your sister?

            • aquaclara

              BTN, your new avi is quite scary! Time to branch out!

    • Artoo45

      It’s sad that Discus is so buggy, because it’s features are excellent, the commenting, the up and down arrows, the edit and comment photo feature, the links to Twitter and Facebook. Of course, making all those features work smoothly on Chrome, Safari, Exploder, Firefox and other browsers (not to mention Mac vs PC) must be hellish. I tolerate it because it allows me to manage most of my commenting across so many sites and follow replies. I just hope they find a way to make it more stable. Of course this site is incredibly buggy in itself. If you’re on an iPad it can lose all formatting sometimes and you lose access to Discus. First world problems . . .

  • ze moo

    While CO$ seems to have the police in its pocket in some places, there appears to have been a parting of the ways in Clearwater Fl. After allowing a handy drug operation at her property, the police staked out and arrested an intoxicated person with some marijuana in their car, who was driving erratically. The ‘driving erratically’ is usually a code word for ‘we know you bought drugs’. Notice served. When the police tell you to clean up your rentals, you had better do it. The records indicate they had 2 years to work on that problem.

    The PInellius County Sheriffs office did this job, not the City of Clearwater PD. Maybe the clams need to hire more county employees for the next security job??

    • JonathanRoberts

      They do not want the PCSO most of them think scientology is a joke they don’t really like them much. Now Clearwater they are in COS’s hip pocket bought and paid for with our tax dollars.

    • dagobarbz

      Around here, drug houses are often taken under eminent domain, and bulldozed. I wonder what the laws are when landlords knowingly have tenants who break the law on the property.

  • BuryTheNuts2

    Why has Denise Brennan been MIA from the bunker for so long?
    I know there are only so many hours in a day…but I miss her occasional post.
    🙁

    • PreferToBeAnon2

      Did you read her long thread recently at ESMB (I referenced it down below somewhere)? It’s a heart wrencher.

      • BuryTheNuts2

        No, I read her first post.
        Again, there aren’t enough hours in the day…
        But Denise is someone who I just love. She is super cool.
        It never ceases to amaze me that the Ex-Scientologist’s are some of the greatest peeps ever.
        They came thru hell and ended up the most awesome people.
        I am in awe.

        • PreferToBeAnon2

          i know! The thread is worth bookmarking for later.
          And yes, definitely not enough hours in the day!

          • BuryTheNuts2

            I will do it.
            She is my Queen!!!!
            So much compassion tempered by simple good sense and a hella intelligence
            BTW: who are you on ESMB ( if you wish to tell?)

            • Sandy

              I book marked it too …

            • BuryTheNuts2

              God, I used to be up on WWP, ESMB, OCMB and MR’s, plus the VVoice.
              WHAT HAPPENED?
              oh yeah…
              The enturbulation went warp speed!
              I am so cornfused.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      She’s really, really busy, long hours at her job for one thing. Plus, she has her own personal journey she’s still in the middle of and that takes up time, as well as other resources. Most of all, she is a Grandma, so….

      • BuryTheNuts2

        Aww grandma is the best part!!!

  • dagobarbz

    Back in the days of ARS, I remember Warrior telling the tale of how he once had to kick a guy out of the Sea Org for smoking a roach he found near The Complex.

    Their Dead Agent site, religious freedom watch dot org, features articles on many critics of the time. I got a DUI back in 1984. For some reason they had to dredge that up twenty years later. A lot of the articles accuse critics of alcoholism and drug use. While they were smart enough to not openly libel us, they let their monkeys do it on ARS instead; people like Tory who got a pass to access the internet and talk to wogs.

    It’s funny how hypocritically self-righteous they are, considering all the accounts of cult member who are also very heavy drinkers if it’s your liquor cabinet they’re raiding.

    • BuryTheNuts2

      WHAT? ARE U A HUMANOID?
      dont try to hide it!!!

      WHAT ARE YOUR CRIMES?

      • dagobarbz

        Uh, actually I’m a Commander in the Marcab 5th Fleet. I thought everybody knew that by now!

  • disqus_SPiN5N4Adl

    Thanks, Tony, for the unique reporting. Haven’t read the Childs article yet. But your ability to access opinions of relevant thought-leaders on the topic is valuable. Your site — yeesh, your efforts — never ceases to amaze.

  • disqus_SPiN5N4Adl

    QUESTION (possibly unrelated): Do Scientologists have to pay for the Security Checks to which they’re required to submit? Does anyone know the answer to that? -SPiN

    • Observer

      Yes. They have to pay for everything.

    • BuryTheNuts2

      YES!!!! THOUSANDS OF TIMES YES!
      HOW FUCKED UP IS THAT?

      • disqus_SPiN5N4Adl

        That is HARSH … It’s like paying to be spied on … At least Google and Yahoo don’t charge us for the, er, privilege. Hahah.

        • BuryTheNuts2

          Voluntarily agreeing to be spied on.

          Fucked up much??? eh?

    • Phil de Fontenay

      Also, when you leave staff they try to get you to pay to get through faster. Every staff member of a church who leaves, even after completing their staff contract is put through a leaving staff security check.

      I know of a lot of OTs having to pay higher classed auditors at an AO to get their security check done. Imagine paying 10-20 Grand to LEAVE staff even after 5 years or more of good service. It’s used as a make-wrong.

      I don’t think Sea Org members have to pay for that… or then again, it could just add to their free-loader debt ~lol

      Anyone here have to pay for their leaving staff security check?

      I didn’t because I was an auditor and they really wanted to “handle me” ~lol

      Phil de Fontenay <= Yes OSA dicks, I use my real name 😉

      • disqus_SPiN5N4Adl

        Interesting. Given the “white bread” background of most SO members, I’d have thought they’d have a little more sense about what spiritual fidelity demands (e.g., integrity) and what it does not (e.g., cash).

      • disqus_SPiN5N4Adl

        Not meaning to denigrate, here. Just expressing a crude observation. – SPiN

  • Jgg2012

    When will Denise’s twin brother arrested?

    • Espiando

      When he accidentally.

      • Jgg2012

        He’ll get arrested when he accidentally wanders out of gold base under the influence?

  • PreferToBeAnon2

    Of no importance whatsoever, but Denise is 5’3″. How tall is her twin?

    • BuryTheNuts2

      Wishes he was 5′ 3″.
      snkckers

  • disqus_SPiN5N4Adl

    QUESTION (also poss. unrelated): I notice a very distinct tension between the (I’ll call it) “hippy” wing of the Sci movement and the earlier wing, the one that appeared during the 50s and 60s when knowledge, power, science and technology were very much uncertain and in flux. That wing, the LRH wing, railed against forces unknown, such as psychologists and errant world leaders with nuclear ambitions fueled by greed. The LRH wing, the early wing, was inherently suspicious but also equally conniving. It seems to me they then recruited the lost folk of the late 60s and 70s (the Rathbuns of the world), well intentioned good people who wanted to save the planet.
    When DM stole the organization in the 80s, he betrayed the hippy wing and – perhaps for purely reasonable, economic purposes, like maintaining tax exempt status – and he focused on buying buildings and raising money. The purported downfall of The Church of Scientology, history may show, could be merely a schism between the hippies and the Mad Men mentality of the 50s…
    Just wondering if anyone else has considered this angle.
    Thanks,
    SPiN

    • BuryTheNuts2

      I think you have a huge point. but the schism I see is a different timeline.
      I see the old guard through about 1981 or 1982 (even though it started fragmenting earlier still).
      Everything after is a 160 degree turn.

      I think a lot of the old 50’s early 60’s kind of moved forward together (at least what I remember from personal experience)

      • disqus_SPiN5N4Adl

        Thanks. I’m an outsider. (Only just started paying attention to the goings-on of CoS.) Am glad that my personal perspective isn’t coming from out of the blue.

        Would be VERY interested in Tony-O’s thoughts on the Schism… Let’s call it The Generational Schism.

        Tony? Do you think there’s something to that?

  • L Rong Retard

    Hey- what happens when your sibling does something that humiliates and degrades Scientology in such a public manner? Don’t you become an SP by association? Shouldn’t DM be officially declared for this debacle?

    • And I don’t rent cars!

      Jon Attack, Chairman of the OT Committee UK, already declared officially DM an SP on Jun 8, 1984! See Tony’s blog post of yesterday.

      • L Rong Retard

        I liked that story, but I think that declare was written after Atack had left the cult proper

        • BuryTheNuts2

          It was, but understand the timeline and what was happening. Chaos.
          Its a deep rabbit hole worth exploring.

          • FistOfXenu

            It looked to me like Atack wrote that during his short time in the early indie movement or else when he was part of the loyalists under Captain Bill. If it was under Captain Bill you could say he was in the real $cientology and DM was leading a coup. It would be good if Tony could ask him and get the details exact for us.

            • And I don’t rent cars!

              Here’s what Tony wrote on yesterday’s blog (I think your your question is already answered.)

              Jon says he resigned from the cult October 1983. The he says, “I was appointed “Chairman of the OT Committee UK” by Captain Bill Robertson that very same month. Curiously, this means that I had authority from the very top to write this issue, where Miscavige has no authority and never has had…”

              My understanding is that he was not yet an Indie nor become a Cap’n Bill “loyalist” unless he was an Indie for less than one month.

            • FistOfXenu

              Close enough. Sounds to me like he could argue he left the traitors that were stealing the cult and briefly joined the loyalists while he was working through his stages of getting out. And while he was a loyalist he declared DM. And then he became an indie on the way to step 10 of leaving it all behind? It’s possible it went like that anyways.

            • Kimber

              I would love to know how a moron like DM managed to pull that off. The simplest explanation would be that Captain Bill was off his rocker (he was). It would have been fascinating if it came down to calling the police. DM: “The security guards answer to me.” Capt. Bill: “No, they answer to me. Now throw DM out.” DM: “If anyone throws me out, I’ll take their fucking larynx with me.”

        • And I don’t rent cars!

          Actually, if you read the post, it was a legitimate position following the proper chain of command:
          “I was appointed “Chairman of the OT Committee UK” by Captain Bill Robertson… this means that I had authority from the very top…

          …Hubbard appointed himself “Commodore” and Mary Sue, “Deputy Commodore.” He also appointed Captain Bill “Second Deputy Commodore.” That appointment was never withdrawn by Hubbard, so, with Hubbard “off lines” and Mary Sue ill-disposed, Bill was actually the only Hubbard-appointed boss around.”

  • PreferToBeAnon2

    What I can’t figure out is why she allowed the cops to search her car in the first place. Perhaps it was a cry for help? Or a big fuck you to the little one?

    • Bella Legosi

      If they were able to smell the blunts it is usually considered probable cause to search, however judging by her driving skills under the influence and the fact that she looks totally wasted, I am sure that was cause enough for any cop to search.

      Now, she could have refused any blood, breath, or urine tests and just waited for the church to bail her out. Cops really don’t like it when you refuse to blow for them. 😀

      • She has very small pupils in the mug shot, it suggests that she’s using something besides MJ, as it’s usually seen in people that take opiates, like morphine or Oxycontin.

    • BuryTheNuts2

      It was probably a gamble. sure…go ahead…
      I have lost that game before.
      but I was hopeful…

      • Bella Legosi

        I was told by a less reputable source, that when you know you are gonna get busted, leave your keys in the car and lock yourself out. That way the police can not search your car. That is if it is a simple DUI and there isn’t shit strewn/visible in the car.

        I don’t know if this tactic works, as I have never had the displeasure of being arrested. But, if you have heard of it working, let me know! I have always been curious

        • JonathanRoberts

          If you are involved in an accident while drunk immediately exit run to the nearest convenience store. Purchase a 6 pack make sure the clerk remembers you. Take the beer drink it, pour it on yourself slowly walk back to the scene of the accident. When you return if an officer (should be) is there have the beer in hand tell him/her. You were so upset by the accident you went and purchased beer to calm you down. You will get charged with leaving the scene, not DUI. Then answer no other questions invoke Miranda this will work a local sergeant used this method after flipping his truck..

          • Bella Legosi

            Wow! That trumps the Portland cop suing the department for “discrimination” for not helping him NOT be drunk on the job!

            At first I was wondering/thinking, “He totally forgot to use the snark font, but upon further reading, I guess not!

            lol Thanks for the info, wonders really do never cease!

          • sugarplumfairy

            Or…. You could just not drink and drive..

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              You make far too much sense. Please proceed to Canada.

          • Kimber

            I suppose you could get around the “leaving the scene” charge if you insisted you were running to find a phone to call 911, and there was some beer along the way

    • pronoia

      She was extremely drunk. Probably forgot that she had pot with her!

      • BuryTheNuts2

        Naw…It is a hopeful gamble.

        sure, go ahead…hoping they won’t bother.

        More often than not they will blow it off.

        But they were already on to her.

    • sugarplumfairy

      Maybe she thought they’d think they were regular cigars.. Because, after all, doesn’t everyone keep their regular cigars under the driver’s seat?

  • PreferToBeAnon2

    Here is a post worth bookmarking and pulling out when you need it–a partial collection of information on Hubbard’s drug and alcohol outlook and use:

    http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?32223-Twin-sister-of-Scientology-leader-Miscavige-arrested-for-marijuana-possession&p=818538&viewfull=1#post818538

  • FistOfXenu

    I’ll leave you with this if Disqonnectus lets me

    • Sherbet

      Love it, Fist!

    • bradleyg

      LOL!!!

  • Phil de Fontenay

    Wow! She’s got those same crazy eyes at David Miscavige ~lol

    • BuryTheNuts2

      hehehe.
      where the hell U been Phil?

      • Phil de Fontenay

        Uh Oh! The ethics officer found me ~lol

        That’s exactly what I used to get the next day after the events. Even as a staff member I refused to go to those “implant stations”

        • Phil de Fontenay

          I have been away starting my own cult!

          It’s called Dollarology! $1 for a 7 day trial! And then if you like it we have a chance to convince you to hand over all dollars to us.

          I was going to call it Buckology but I thought people would poke fun at that ~ LOL!!!

          • Espiando

            Too bad someone beat you to it. They call it Milestone 2.

    • Artoo45

      Cold, dead reptilian gray eyes with tiny, tiny pupils. Like staring down a python . . .

      • Phil de Fontenay

        Yeah! Those ones ~lol

  • Kimber

    Looking over the comments at the Tampa Bay Times article… it never ceases to amaze me how many atheists seize scientology articles as the opportunity to climb on a soap box and exclaim we should be focused on the hindus and buddhists (and the rest of the global population) rather than the crimes of scientology. Makes me wonder if they are OSA.

    • BuryTheNuts2

      Yes, thanks.
      I think THEY want to make it look like the atheists!

      Deflection again!

      • Shannon

        Your new picture makes me happy 🙂

        • aquaclara

          Actually, her pic is QUITE scary!
          🙂

    • Artoo45

      Well this atheist knows that religion will always have a place in our culture to one extent or another and unless there’s abuse in the organization, I don’t care what people do. Scientology is, however, a scam, a pyramid scheme, a gulag, a ripoff, a faux legal system, bad sci-fi, a control mechanism, an ATM, an abusive mind control cult and many other things, but it’s only a religion to avoid the FDA and IRS.

      OSA ronbots trying to make other religions on “their side” and make atheists the bad guy? Sure, why not. They’ve done everything else.

      • aquaclara

        Yes. And yes. And yes.
        Thanks, Artoo45!

    • pronoia

      The fact that they deflect is good evidence that they are trolls. And wouldn’t be surprised if they were also scientologists

      • Kimber

        I thought trolls wanted to excite rather than deflect

    • They’re Scientology trolls. They have the same patterns of speech, they use the same pathetic arguments, and when actual atheists show up and call them out, they don’t know what to do with themselves.

  • bradleyg

    Tom missed a golden chance to score another celeb for Scientology: http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2013/06/cher-tom-cruise-top-five-lover/

    • sugarplumfairy

      Aww.. Too bad.. On the bright side, looks like jaden smith is recruiting a kardashian.. wouldn’t co$ love a piece of the kardashian pie.. they’re already scientologists at heart.. they’ll do anything for money..

    • Kimber

      She said “he wasn’t a scientologist then,” LOL, at least Cher is smart enough to clarify that

  • i-Betty

    I really respect Michelle “Emma” Sterling’s comment. 🙂

    Remember Kyle Brennan.

  • Ka-Pow!
  • Xique

    Denise has a pretty smile, except she wears it upside down. To think she had to share a “womb” with Davey, what a drag!

  • Bob Gravlin

    And Jesse Prince said that COB’s family is crumbling around him. It reminds me of a book I read about Karl Mark and his suspected involvement in hidden Satanism and how his family fell apart around him too. As Jesus said “you can tell a tree by it’s fruit” and sadly in some cases the fruit doesn’t fall far from the tree.

  • confused guest

    WOW!!! And I do mean WOW!! I just found the article on Huff Post & thought I’d check it out. I’ve never been involved with or known much about Scientology. And I’ve never been happier about that fact!! I thought about looking into Ms. Miscavige-Hill’s book. Now I think I may need a Scientology to human dictionary. Good luck & God Bless to those who have been damaged by them!