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LISTEN: Rare tape reveals how L. Ron Hubbard really came up with Scientology’s space cooties

Mary_Sue_Hubbard_LRHThe Underground Bunker has been leaked a rare 1952 L. Ron Hubbard recording that surfaced online only briefly five years ago. When it did, some longtime Scientology researchers were astonished, saying they thought it was mere legend.

Despite the secrets it unlocks about the formation of Scientology’s beginnings, you won’t see a mention of this recording in any of the most important books on Scientology — not in Lawrence Wright’s Going Clear, not in Russell Miller’s Bare-Faced Messiah, or even in Jon Atack’s A Piece of Blue Sky. Even Arnie Lerma’s vast online archive contains only a very short portion of the full transcript of what you are about to hear.

So why is it coming up now?

Last week, we dealt with a couple of Scientology celebrities who predictably obfuscated about the nature of Scientology itself. They’re trained to do that, and we had to point out that Laura Prepon was prevaricating when she claimed that Scientology wasn’t homophobic (it very much is), and that Giovanni Ribisi might have been playing word games when he said he’d never heard of “aliens” in the church.

We explained that Scientologists believe that as thetans, we are immortal beings who have lived countless lives for trillions of years in various places in the universe. But those far-flung thetans aren’t technically “aliens” in the ET sense.

To illustrate how much L. Ron Hubbard’s space opera ideas are part of Scientology, we reposted a Hubbard lecture, given in 1952, during which he talks about invading forces taking over Mars and Venus, where to this day Earthlings are whisked between lives to be implanted with mental image pictures before starting out again as infants.

It’s wild stuff, and we wanted to make sure that someone like Ribisi understood that Scientology’s space opera is well documented, even if he’s trained not to discuss it publicly.

But then, in our comments, J. Swift pointed out that there was something even better from 1952 that would make that point. He said it was a very rare recording, and had not been seen on the Internet since 2009. It had the unwieldy title, “Electropsychometric Scouting: Battles of the Universes.”

Within hours of that comment, one of our many excellent tipsters contacted us, telling us where to look for that recording. And now, we’re bringing it to you.

Before you listen to it, it’s important to keep in mind what was happening when it was recorded in 1952. Two years earlier, Hubbard had enjoyed huge success with his book Dianetics: The Modern Science of Mental Health. His ideas about recapturing lost memories from our time in the womb to relive forgotten traumas that were affecting adult life became a brief fad that produced money-making foundations and more fame than the pulp fiction writer had ever enjoyed. But then, just a year later, Hubbard’s life was in tatters. His second wife, Sara Northrup, was divorcing him and telling salacious tales about his mental instability to the press, he had absconded to Cuba with Alexis, the daughter he’d had with Sara. And the Dianetics fad had faded and Hubbard was broke.

Helped by a Kansas millionaire who bailed him out financially, and after settling with Sara, Hubbard then began to rebuild his life in Phoenix in April 1952. It was there that he moved only four weeks after marrying his third wife, Mary Sue Whipp, and where he developed the successor to Dianetics, something he called “Scientology.” No longer satisfied only with remembering what had happened in the womb, Hubbard now explored the idea of previous existences — Scientology was about recalling past lives, and with the help of a device called an electropsychometer, or “E-meter.”

That April, he sat down with Mary Sue and an early model of E-meter to record the session you are about to hear. Although an E-meter is a crude electronic device that measures tiny fluctuations in electrical current in a subject’s skin, Hubbard uses it as a mystical device, treating the needle-dial’s movement to the right (“a drop”) as a confirmation of what he’s saying. And what is he saying? He begins the session by announcing that he has trapped an “entity,” and he and Mary Sue are going to question it. They watch the needle as Hubbard questions unseen spirits, much as a 19th Century medium might listen for tapping sounds during a séance, or a person might consult a Ouija board.

Over the next hour, they question the entity or entities about the origins of the universe and the nature of “Targs,” unseen harmful spirits that inhabit human bodies.

Longtime Scientology watchers will immediately recognize the significance of that. Some 15 years later, Hubbard would write the notorious story of “Incident Two” in “Operating Thetan Level Three,” the story of Xenu the galactic overlord (made famous in a 2005 episode of South Park) who, 75 million years ago, left behind countless disembodied spirits on Earth that today inhabit each of us by the hundreds or even thousands.

The top levels of Scientology, developed in the late 1960s, consist of a kind of Space Age exorcism. At hundreds of dollars an hour, a subject tries to remove these unseen entities — no longer referred to as “Targs,” but now called “body thetans.” For years, and hundreds of thousands of dollars, Scientologists remove body thetans, or “BT’s” from their person.

It is stunning to learn that Hubbard had the idea for these entities inhabiting a body in 1952, so early in the development of Scientology itself. (Jon Atack had told us this more than once in the series of items he wrote for this website, but it’s another thing to actually hear L. Ron Hubbard coming up with these ideas on tape.)

Scientology today claims to be a worldwide religion. Its longtime members will tell you they were attracted to it because it was billed as an exact science and an applied philosophy. But it turns out that Scientology’s cosmology actually sprouted from a 1952 séance performed by L. Ron Hubbard and his wife Mary Sue talking to unseen primordial entities with a bobbing needle as a spirit-guide.

Set aside some time, and listen to this recording and follow along with the helpful transcript onscreen. We are particularly interested in hearing from our readers who are former Scientologists and had been lured into Scientology with the promise that it was a science, not just another mystical ritual.

Here’s the recording…

 

 
For some reaction to the tape, we turned to Bruce Hines. Bruce was in Scientology for 31 years, and oversaw some of the highest levels of Scientology training.

Boy, that is one batshit crazy transcript!

Still, it is interesting to me. Hubbard is connected to an E-meter, 1952 style. While electronics have improved since that time, the basic principles and circuit are the same. All an E-meter does is show changes in electrical resistance. He is trying to telepathically communicate with, or contact, “entities.” He is using the jargon of that era, which is basically the same as that used in the book, A History of Man. Entities are just spirits or souls or thetans. Hubbard believed that communications from these supposed entities would somehow show up on the E-meter.

Bruce Hines

Bruce Hines

In this situation he is using the E-meter much like a Ouija board, and the whole scenario is much like a séance with an audience. There is much talk of getting a “drop,” which is a sudden movement to the right of the E-meter needle. In later years, the more common term for this was “fall.” In general auditing, when the auditor wants to know if a certain item or subject or question has “charge” on it, he or she looks for a fall or drop. For example, in a security check if the needle falls when a question is asked or “checked,” that means that the person is guilty of some misdeed. Even though Hubbard cautioned from time to time that a fall only shows that there is mental charge (defined as harmful energy) associated with the subject at hand, a fall is often taken to mean “true” or “yes.”

In A History of Man, Hubbard talked about “Theta beings” being at war with “MEST beings” and there being a “Theta universe” and a “MEST universe,” MEST standing for Matter, Energy, Space, and Time, the components of the the physical universe. Hence, “Battle of the Universes,” which sounds kind of dramatic, doesn’t it? Hubbard is trying to find out more about these entities (beings) and in reality is kind of free associating. If the needle gave a drop it meant that he was onto something, part of the truth, and if there was no drop he would try another line of thought.

What a way to develop a philosophy!

In later years, the jargon shifted and there was no talk about “MEST entities” and the like. But Scientologists are forbidden to say or believe that the things in this transcript are not true. It couldn’t get much more bizarre.

 
There’s another reason why the Ouija board reference is apt, which is rarely pointed out about the E-meter. The Ouija board works through involuntary movement in the hands of the people playing the game. Everyone swears they aren’t moving the planchette on the board, and yet somehow it will move to make an intelligible message. How does it do that? From an old installment of The Straight Dope

What makes the pointer move? An effect similar to that which occurs in dowsing, known as the ideomotor effect. This is a fancy name for involuntary/unconscious movement, such as a dowser’s hand flicking enough to move his stick when he passes over an area he knows has water…The basic point is that your muscles can move without your consciously thinking.

What does this have to do with Scientology’s E-meter? Plenty. The E-Meter measures a tiny fluctuation in electrical current, and that current can be affected by several different factors.

If the machine was measuring something real — as Scientologists say it is actually reading their thoughts — then you would want to eliminate as many other variables as possible. But it never seems to occur to Scientologists that a truer measure of their skin galvanism would be through sensors attached directly to their skin. Instead, they hold “cans,” introducing the variable of grip.

Scientologists, ask yourself this question: Why, if you really believe that the E-meter is reading your life billions of years into the past by tapping directly into your thoughts, would you be required to hold the sensors in your hands, which introduces the variability of involuntary movement, the ideomotor effect that makes the Ouija board game produce fanciful results?

Those researchers skilled at spotting cold readings will no doubt point out the confirmation bias and other methods that Hubbard uses to confirm his tales of “Targs” and “universe 33” in this recording as he watches the needle move while holding onto the sensors. This is mystical juju, not science.

If Scientology’s con has a smoking gun, it may be this recording.

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on June 17, 2014 at 09:45

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Learn about Scientology with our numerous series with experts…

BLOGGING DIANETICS (We read Scientology’s founding text) 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25

UP THE BRIDGE (Claire Headley and Bruce Hines train us as Scientologists) 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37, 38, 39, 40, 41, 42, 43, 44, 45, 46, 47

GETTING OUR ETHICS IN (Jefferson Hawkins explains Scientology’s system of justice) 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14

SCIENTOLOGY MYTHBUSTING (Historian Jon Atack discusses key Scientology concepts) 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37, 38, 39, 40, 41, 42, 43

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  • SOL

    What I want to know about that recording is how they managed to filter out all the bubbling sounds from the bong.

    • Missionary Kid

      Cannibis was pretty much unknown in the 50s. Bongs weren’t either, but I had an opium pipe that my parents brought back from China with me in the early 50s. Same principle. I never used it, or even thought of using it.

      • Sarah James

        I voted for it here in Colorado and I make jokes about it’s use but I am not a user myself. Just want the people who need it to have it and I may be counted in that number in the future. Plus I consider the war on drugs at least pot a money maker for lower life forms like miscavige.

        • Mooser

          Frankly, I thought that “medicinal marijuana” thing was ridiculous. My biggest fear was that people who needed medicine might spend money on medicinal marijuana instead of drugs needed more acutely. And with the “pot permission slips” came an insidious form of “disability chic” I found very distasteful, and a lot of people I know were caught up in it.
          If people are sick, and pot helps them, they should get it for free, they shouldn’t have to spend a penny on it. And a healthy person shouldn’t have to say they are sick to need a reason for smoking pot. That’s degrading. They don’t need any other reason than that they feel like it.

          And yet that hypocritical, and obviously mercenary “medical” pot movement led the way to full legalization, or at least de-criminalization. Who’d a thunk it? Not me.

          • SOL

            It was a huge help for a friend of mine recovering from chemo and surgery.

            • Mooser

              And I hope your friend got all the pot he wanted, and didn’t have to pay. And “recovering from chemo and surgery” is as you know, a serious process.

              What I’m talking about is the degrading process of basically healthy people trying to find something, anything, they can somehow make a reason why they should get a certificate.

          • Missionary Kid

            Mooser, there’s too many people who were on chemo and found that it was the only way that they could eat, and that other drugs just didn’t help ease the pain and anxiety, and they were as straight as could be, who would never even think of trying pot otherwise.

            That’s what led to the change in attitudes.

            I like your phrase, “disability chic.”

            • Mooser

              “Mooser, there’s too many people who were on chemo and found that it was
              the only way that they could eat, and that other drugs just didn’t help
              ease the pain and anxiety, and they were as straight as could be, who
              would never even think of trying pot otherwise.”

              Yes, and there is, to my mind, not one goddam reason why those unfortunate people should have to spend a penny on pot, much less $20 a gram! And what about people who have the same situation, but don’t have the ready cash for pot? Should they suffer, too? They should get it for free.

            • TDA1541A

              Uruguay

            • Mooser

              “Uruguay”

              Well, it’s not like there’s anything wrong with that!

            • Mooser

              Yup, I loved that “medicinal marijuana thing” Hey, you’re healthy, and want to buy pot? It’ll cost you about $20 a gram, with a small discount for larger quantities. If you’re sick, spending a fortune on prescription drugs and medical services, and have a certificate, you can buy it semi-legally, as an adjunct to your meds. And it’ll still cost $20 a gram or so.
              If they are sick, and it helps, give them the damn pot!

            • richelieu jr

              They’re allowed to grow it, aren’t they?

            • richelieu jr

              Or had AIDS.

              Or galucoma…

            • Missionary Kid

              Yup, those too. How it works isn’t fully understood, but for some people, it’s a godsend.

              To classify marijuana, as a Class 1 drug was sheer stupidity. What it meant, like the “just say no” campaign, is that once the lies about it were exposed, further drug education was rendered untrustworthy.

              I do have serious questions about driving under the influence of marijuana. Some people’s perceptions aren’t that good to start with.

              I wanted to pilot a plane while stoned, with another pilot to act as Pilot In Command, but I never did it. Flying takes up a lot of higher order thinking that is seriously impaired by even a low level of alcohol. I was interested to see what marijuana would do.

              I would also depend on their judgement of my performance because perceptions are often thrown out of whack by drugs and alcohol

              A serious drinking bout affects a person’s motor skills up to 24 hours after they’re sober. Where it’s particularly telling, according to research, is in eye movement, which is important for instrument scan.

              For alcohol, IIRC, there’s an 8 hour “bottle to throttle” regulation, which renders a person completely sober. My personal limit is 24 hours. In the service, we’d hop in the plane, sober, but hung over and immediately go to 100% oxygen, which seemed to “clear the cobwebs out.”

            • Mooser

              “I do have serious questions about driving under the influence of marijuana.”

              Mk, I have been riding motorcycles, sometimes as my main form of transportation, since I was 18. And how have I managed to avoid accident or injury all these years? Simple: In my efforts to be safe I leave no turn unstoned.

            • Missionary Kid

              I’ve had a motorcycle license for 50+ years, and I’m just learning how to ride. You went out of your way to pun, didn’t you?

            • Mooser

              I don’t think there’s any question about marijuana’s ability to decrease pressure in the eye, which is beneficial to glaucoma sufferers. I’m pretty sure that is an established fact.

          • Sarah James

            Hemp was and always has been useful, but the government and a sleeze ball much like ( miscavige) prevented it from being marketed. Fair gamed it so to speak.
            I’m not fond of the narcotics my mom takes and may try her on cannibis butter in the future. I like knowing she have options.

            • Mooser

              Sometimes marihuana can make it possible to take less opiates, or even forego them.
              Which also makes the opiates more effective when it’s necessary to take them.

        • Here in California we make jokes about “going hiking” in Colorado. 🙂

          • Sarah James

            And you would come across it to. I live near a state park. A couple of years before the law changed a very large area was covered in cannibis. It was destroyed.
            I found a pill bottle in the freezer with about a dozen seeds a friend had given me. I am going to to plant them in the garden, and see what happens.

            • Robert Eckert

              A beanstalk up to the giant’s castle?

            • Sarah James

              I wish!

        • OrangySky

          Legalizing marijuana is such a no-brainer. The medicinal/therapeutic uses are well-documented by multiple studies. Now, marijuana is not totally harmless (and scarily there is growing evidence that habitual/regular use can cause long term brain damage in younger kids) – but used casually by adults, it is FAR FAR less dangerous than alcohol, and there’s been no linkage to violence. Alcohol and violence are inextricably linked.
          (I’m not a user myself either – I’m an introvert and I don’t care for any substance that makes me even more introverted!)

      • Mooser

        “I never used it, or even thought of using it.”

        I dare you to say that while holding the cans!

        • Missionary Kid

          Yup, I’ll take the challenge. To clarify, the pipe was at home, and what my parents did with it when they went back to missionary work and I went off to college, I’ll never know. I don’t think I even thought about smoking pot until at least 3 years later, in about 1965.

          I’d pass any test on the cans on that one, or, for that matter, a polygraph.

          • Mooser

            Smoking opium is quite a process. First, you have to get some. Then, I think, you have to heat it and drive the moisture out, than fiddle with it some more, then finally smoke it in the pipe. I believe it’s more complicated than just twisting one up or stuffing a bud in a bowl and plying the Bic.

            • Captain Howdy

              Opium is the one drug I wanted to do but never had the chance to. It is complicated from I’ve read and heard.

            • Mooser

              It’s not really all that great, frankly, a lot like codeine. And tastes nasty! Nasty!

            • richelieu jr

              I’ve done it a bit… It’s ok, like smoking tar…

            • Mooser

              Been a while, but does it taste as nasty as I remember? Oh, that kind of “tar”. Yes, they probably taste about the same.

            • richelieu jr

              Didn’t bother me too much… gave me very bad dreams, as I recall…

            • Mooser

              “gave me very bad dreams,”

              Or what Graham Greene called “white nights”

            • Missionary Kid

              This was probably bought as a curiosity by my dad, who went into opium dens in China as a missionary. (I was a small child at the time). He bought it as a curiosity. I knew that it was a water pipe, but I never connected it with marijuana even when I smoked it years later.

              It also had a compartment to store the opium in.

        • NOLAGirl

          Will you hold this joint while I hold the cans? 🙂

          • Mooser

            “Will you hold this joint while I hold the cans? :)”

            I won’t just hold it, I’ll do a magic trick with it. Now watch as I make it vanish.

          • richelieu jr

            Will you hod THIS joint while I hold your cans?

            Ouch! Hey lady, where you goin’?

            • NOLAGirl

              Bahahahaha!!! You should ice that eye before it closes up. 🙂

              Co$ needs more “cans” jokes, but I guess fun with sarcasm is low on the tone scale….or whatever. Maybe they need the joint?

            • richelieu jr

              ‘Cans jokes’ were what got me sued in the first place!

            • Mooser

              “Maybe they need the joint?”

              I think there is almost universal agreement here that a bunch from Scientology need to end up in the joint. Maybe I’ll live to see it.

      • SOL

        But, um, Kerouac! (I figured the bong reference was probably anachronistic, but I needed an audible drug-delivery system and, well, I know not whereof I speak.)

        • SOL

          Not to mention West Side Story (1957):

          “…Dear kindly Judge, your Honor,
          My parents treat me rough.
          With all their marijuana,
          They won’t give me a puff…”

          “…My father is a bastard,
          My ma’s an S.O.B.
          My grandpa’s always plastered,
          My grandma pushes tea…”

          • Mooser

            Oh wow, I remember it took me, literally, years before I finally understood that “pushes tea” reference. Actually, I think I was actually smoking the stuff (never more than half-a-dozen times a day) for a while before I ever heard the “tea” name.
            And now we have a Tea Party! And people say the age of Miracles is over!

            • SOL

              Ha! Tea Party! I never thought of it that way! (And now I’ll never be able not to think of it that way.)

            • richelieu jr

              I just LOVED when they went around calling themselves “Tea-Baggers”! I almost pissed myself from laughter daily…

          • Missionary Kid

            Yup, and it was portrayed as something that Puerto Ricans and gang members did.

            • Mooser

              “Yup, and it was portrayed as something that Puerto Ricans and gang members did.”

              I remember that! Made me want to smoke it more than ever!

          • richelieu jr

            Goodness, gracious! That’s why I’m SP!

          • Vaquera

            Great catch, SOL.

            • SOL

              Hey, when the Jets are in gear, my cylinders are clickin’.

        • Missionary Kid

          Kerouac was a part of the beatnick generation which did smoke weed, but it wasn’t mainstream, like it became in the middle to late 60s. As I’ve posted elsewhere, musicians, and to add, artists, were the ones who smoked it.

          Since blacks often smoked it, particularly among the musicians, that was used to get the legislation passed against it in the 30s.

      • Captain Howdy

        People were smoking weed long before the 50’s. My dad said it was growing wild all over Arizona back in the 30’s and him and his friends use to smoke it before grammar school.

        • Mooser

          We were certainly smoking it before “the sixties”. Mom used to let us have a little out of the parental stash if we were good.

        • SNAFU

          That’s accurate. The American propaganda film Reefer Madness dates back to the mid 30’s.
          http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0028346/

        • Missionary Kid

          Agreed. Hemp grew wild all over the U.S. because hemp had been cultivated for rope and fabrics.

          The difference was that it wasn’t a popular pastime among the general population, and the hemp that grew wild was, as one friend of mine described it, “headache weed.” Musicians, particularly, were known to smoke it. Satchmo smoked it probably every day of his adult life.

          There is a strong feeling that criminalization of marijuana was strongly racial, since many blacks were smoking it.

          The marijuana grown today is probably 30 times as strong as what grew wild.

        • richelieu jr

          Once, when I was driving back from a concert in Kansas to Denver, we stopped to pee and I asked the driver tot urn on the lights. I was right! Nothing bu pot plants as far as i could see!

          Not believing our good luck, we drove back to town, bought gardening shears and hefty-bags and then cut as much as we could stuff in the car. We were literally crouching down in the front seat to make room..

          Once back, we tried to dry it correctly, but were too eager! We’d never be not stoned again! And we’d be rich! We invited some girls over and dried the stuff in the microwave, preparing giant joints to smoke until we floated away, perhaps forever–

          Well, you know the end of this story: Migraines, coughing up black shit BUT STILL NOT HIGH! Still, we couldn’t bring yourselves to throw it away.W e sold, some, nearly got our asses kis-cke dover it,a nd still we tried. Eventually we dropped it out in the woods…

          • Xenu Ate My Baby!

            My first husband spent eleven days in jail for harvesting roadside weed in Renssalear, IN… EVERYONE (about 30 other guys) housed in the facility was in there for the same thing!
            Don’t pick the wild weed kids, it’s more costly than the dispensary or your older brother’s biker friend!

      • D.Y.G.

        I only smoked weed a handful of times in my life. A group of 5 of us did grow it on my grandpa’s farm two summers when I was a teenager. We made so much money.

        • Missionary Kid

          The stuff that grew wild was pretty weak, even in the 60s.

          • Mooser

            There were all kinds of varieties, some the remains of industrial hemp, and some a lot better.
            I certainly hope you are not implying, Missionary Kid, that my parents didn’t smoke good weed? That would have hurt their feelings, as they prided themselves on their hospitality.

            • Missionary Kid

              Most of what grew wild was seeded from hemp growing. Real cultivation and selective breeding didn’t take place until growing became a cottage industry in the 60s. The level of the ordinary hemp THC was pretty low even compared to the weed we smoked in the 60s. What is sold now has concentrations of THC that are 10 to 30 times as strong as what was sold in the 60s.

              We were pissed when a Kilo went from $100 to $120.

            • richelieu jr

              That rag hemp,on the side of the roads is still no great shakes today, just seems worse by comparison, I’d imagine…

            • Missionary Kid

              It’s my understanding that local authorities have gone to lengths to eradicate even the wild stuff.

          • D.Y.G.

            I couldn’t even tell you what strain this was. It was ok, nothing memorable.

          • richelieu jr

            ESPECIALLY in the 60s…

      • DeeAnna

        What???? Cannabis was well known in the 50s and long before.

        • Sarah James

          Different time period. Drinking was the norm not cannibis. Beatnics smoked pot, everybody else was Donna Reed and Fred Macmury (sic.)

        • Missionary Kid

          Read my other comments. It was a part of a subculture, but not a part of mainstream American culture. I was 10 in 1955, and while I was sheltered, I also knew a lot of people from other walks of life. By 1965, even though it was a felony still in California, people were smoking up a storm, and I watched dope smoking spread downward in age from college to grammar school by the 70s.

          Louis Armstrong probably smoked dope every day of his life from a young age, but he was a musician, and black. The laws against marijuana got a boost in their passage from racism and because it was portrayed as something that crazy jazz musicians smoked. The subtext to get the legislation passed was quite racial, according to some of the references I’ve read.

          Reefer Madness was tied in with “lurid, crazy, jazz-age” wildness. Jazz, of course, came from the black community. Films were pretty much segregated.then, and I don’t recall any blacks in the film, but the subtext was there. The film was an obscure one until people smoking dope in the ’60s discovered it, and subjected it to the ridicule it deserved. I remember people getting stoned to watch it.

  • Truthiwant

    Off topic

    On the 7th June, I got an email from Planetary Dissemination about supplying ‘Clear Body Clear Mind’ to all the libraries in the world, that contained this sentence:

    “Any contribution is welcome, with 50 euros, we can get 2 books into each library.”

    This evening, from the same person, I get an email, which contains this sentence:

    “To supply 2 books…the contribution is 62 euros for each library…”

    With an increase of 1000% per annum, I can only immagine that the campaign is going extremely well!

    • Espiando

      The South African blog last week posted a piece about virtually the same e-mail being sent around the comm lines down there (with euros replaced by rand). Considering this and considering the flood of Craigslist ads for CBCM that the Red Xers have been seeing, we have to assume that this is the push to get fresh meat in the door through the Purif, which is the gateway for GAT 2. They’re trying to justify GAT 2 to the membership in this way (“See! New members are flooding in the door just like we said!”). There’s no other explanation for pushing this particular book.

  • Lou Freeman

    I know I’m not the only one that listened to this and thought, “Whatever Ron and Mary Sue are on, I want TWO!

  • Michael Leonard Tilse

    I think that one of the biggest lessons to be gathered from this lecture is that there is no harm for any scientologist or independent to pick up a meter and just blather on to see what reads. That is the way hubbard did it, they can do it too.

    Follow up the reads, just spout anything that pops into your head, watch for the reads.

    This is hubbard’s “search.” He is assuming that a “fall” equals something there to audit or find out.

    Yet there is the danger that you figure out that many damn-fool things that pop into your head, that have no possibility of being true, also read.

    You probably can think of tests where you build a complete fantasy in your head and see if it “reads.”

    How else could you test for yourself to find out if hubbard’s view of the e-meter was accurate?

    • Snake Plissken

      Well, harm is a relative term, there’s no harm if this is where you are looking to end up

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNy-4xvI47I

      • Michael Leonard Tilse

        I think my point is: If you are already a scientologist or an independent, reverent of the meter and the hubbard defined meanings for the various patterns of meter needle and dial movements, then there is no harm playing with it like hubbard. What might happen is you (they) become a little less reverent, a little more reasoning, have a slightly better understanding that there can be little or no connection between the meter changes and truth and actuality.

        It’s moving in the direction of less harm. But I guess if someone is determined to go off the deep end, anything is grist for the mill.

        • Snake Plissken

          I get what your saying, it doesn’t matter what fairytales are used the results will be the same … not a single Clear or OT will ever be produced.

          • TDA1541A

            No OT’s not anywhere

      • TDA1541A

        Maybe it’s time to let this guy be

      • Baby

        OMG Tragic..absolutely tragic

        • richelieu jr

          Who knows what this yahoo was like before…?

          One thing’s for sure: Scientology didn’t do him a lick of good, at the very least…

          • D.Y.G.

            The guy who posted the video said he suffered from mental illness before Co$, and alcoholism came into play somewhere along the line.

            • Snake Plissken

              Sounds like you are describing Hubbard, and it’s no coincidence they both ended up exactly the same. Scientology didn’t help either of them.

            • SNAFU

              Scientology preys on the vulnerable like Alan. It’s their stock in trade.

            • richelieu jr

              Oh, for the love of caek!

              One thing not even a hard-core Scilon can dispute: They’ll take your money when you’re well, but fall on hard times or crack up and you are on your fucking own!

              No, ‘You break it, you bought it!” for them, no, it’s “We broke you? You brought it on yourself!” or “You’re broke? Who brought you?”

      • ze moo

        Alan has some major league mental health issues.

        I doubt that Lroon {or all of $cientology at that time} was worth 6 billion.

      • Eileen

        So sad, some mentally ill people are perfect targ-ets for the cult.

      • Free Minds, Free Hearts

        That is so terribly tragic how Alan has ended up. Scientology destroys lives.

      • Baby

        I am wondering if he is still alive..

      • Narapoid

        This is one of the saddest things I have ever seen. This guy totally bought the BS and he is introverted to a terrible and probably never reachable degree. They have pinched him for every thing he has or will have. Thanks for sharing Snake.

        Burn the cult, free the pilgrims.

      • Missionary Kid

        Manic-depressive with self-medication with alcohal?

    • Mooser

      “Yet there is the danger that you figure out that many damn-fool things
      that pop into your head, that have no possibility of being true, also
      read.”

      I fully realize you are using the term “read” as a matter of convenience, and you know there is actually no connection except coincidence between thoughts and the movement of the meter. So I’m not going to get upset. It’s just a matter of semantics, and not worth getting upset over.

      • lucille austero

        I wish I could read my own thoughts.

        • BosonStark

          It’s kind of hard when the Targs get in there, and they won’t wash your car either.

          • Snake Plissken

            I know, I was like WTF? he’s talking about the imaginary disembodied space aliens running around in his head that won’t wash his car. How did Mary Sue keep from running for the door?

          • Michael Leonard Tilse

            Especially the small ones. They slip through the cracks and nothing gets done. Then you have to got to the store and stock up on the small Targs.

            You know, “Targ-ett”

          • Yeah, that’s what I was thinking, scrape out the BTargs and one can finally get down to the meat.

        • Mooser

          “I wish I could read my own thoughts.”

          Look, you can’t read something you can’t see, or aren’t looking at, right? Of course!
          What you need to do is turn your eyeballs all the way round so you can read what’s written on your brain.

          • lucille austero

            I think what I really need is some sort of device or machine that i could grasp onto that would tell me what I think.

          • Hitchhiker’s Guide — they got to get Arthur’s brain out so it can be read. 🙂

        • Once you scrape out all of those invisible murdered space alien fragments you’ll finally be able to, all it takes is a lot of money, 🙂

      • Michael Leonard Tilse

        I think that if there is a connection, it is as frangible as the fleeting thought. It might be coincidence, it might be tiny body changes related to the thinking processes. It might be no connection at all. Two random processes giving the appearance of cause and effect.

        But, getting folks who have a fixed idea of the worth of the e-meter, might benefit from being a bit more flexible about it.

        • Mooser

          “it might be tiny body changes related to the thinking processes”

          Sure! The lies and obfuscation leads to (inevitably!) sweaty palms, which changes the resistance, sweat being a bit conductive. And then, you’re busted, pal. Needle says…

        • OrangySky

          Very likely it’s also pressure on the cans. In fact, LRH was a clever con man – he may have realized this and manipulated it so he got the answers he wanted.

    • HillieOnTheBeach

      “… is that there is no harm for any scientologist or independent to pick up a meter and just blather on to see what reads.”

      It’s one of scientology’s most spurrious catch-22s: it claims to be scientific, but anyone applying the basic scientific premise of reproductibility is nothing short of blasphemy.

      • 🙂 “Think for yourself” is the last thing any rube, mark, or sucker is allowed to do.

      • SOL

        Hubbard could have been a regular contributor to the Journal of Irreproducible Results.
        http://www.jir.com/

    • Eivol Ekdal

      Excellent point Sir.
      Also in sections he just repeats until he gets a read.
      One example is when talking about thetans being hypnotised/asleep. He gets “No drop” several times, then asks some different questions. Ultimately he comes back to thetans being hypnotised and …
      “Crash! That’s it their Hypnotised and we gotta wake em up!”
      Basically like all the drills – keep going until you get the prescribed EP no matter how long it takes.

    • How else could you test for yourself to find out if hubbard’s view of the e-meter was accurate?

      Test it against the Bible. 🙂 Ha, sorry.

  • Sibs

    So much for that whole story of liar-h getting so sick that he had to shack up on an island and pop pinks and greys in order to get through the “wall of fire” and bring back all of that valuable research on body thetans and Xenu. Not that it’s any surprising that he had the ideas for this years earlier and probably just… shacked up on an island and popped drugs for the sake of popping drugs like he always did.

    I’m out of bed now and boiling water for lunch. Hoping I can eat while I listen/read along with the transcript on the screen to make it more bearable?

    • richelieu jr

      Dude! You can’t live on boiled water!

  • Baby

    You have got to watch this.. OT ..but who gives a shit..It’s entertaining.. So if you don’t want to be entertained..warning..

    And I rarely post Youtube.. videos..

    What JC says is close to Hubs gobblygook..

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xJWxPE8G2c

    • Juicer77

      LOLing so hard the dog is looking at me funny. I just listened to a podcast about Woodstock today and one of the hosts was raving about this performance. I’m not sure, but then I’m not high either. http://www.nerdonomy.com/mud-drugs-and-rock-roll/

      • Baby

        I wanted to show my nephew John’s Belushi’s version of Joe Cocker.. and he watched it and was laughing..

        so I showed him this and OMG he thought Belushi was exaggerating..hahah

        That is weird about you listening to a host raving about this performance..that is funny

        • Mooser

          Some great organ work on the Cocker version.

          • L. Wrong Hubturd

            We all want some great organ work when talking about cock….ers.

        • jeff

          The Ellen no kiss Anne had me howling with laughter.

    • Frodis73

      Never saw that & it is pretty funny!

      • Baby

        Hilarious doggy…hahhahahaha

    • SOL

      That must have scared the crap out of all the people on acid. The pot smokers might have kinda dug it, but just watching it probably made them very tired.

  • Qbird

    This tape, imho, is a recording of some foreplay between Ron and Mary Sue.
    In this snippet from his life, he seduces her.

    • Baby

      UGH..

      • Qbird

        I know, I know. I’m just listening to it, and the idea of it occurred to me.
        I admit, This recording is an embarrassment.

        • Sibs

          I think somebody just entered the room near the end of this recording. How does that figure in to your theory?

          … No, on second thought, don’t tell me.

          • Qbird

            “In other words, we talk about this process and that process, we talk about his personalities.”
            She giggles a wee giggle in the affirmative.
            Oh go on Ron, you old hunka-hunka burning love you.
            Oh yes he thinks, he’s on a roll now, getting closer, closer… to her imaginations. Don’t move now. Listen to this:

            “We’ve seen them in market places, we’ve seen them hauling food and crate along roads…

            (he pauses, thinking about on his toes, he thinks, she falling for it – she’s believing me and the e-meter too. It is turning him on.)

            … in other societies, we’ve seen them in Armies of Targs… You’re not getting any drop…”

            (what, huh?! She gasps a teeny gasp.)

            His {{{knowledge}}} is captivating her; she is mesmerized.

            He goes on : “you know why that is? (she’s desperate to know!)
            I don’t think any of these Targs would admit to this…”

            She murmurs a soft question, knowing it’s the right answer, “They wouldn’t admit it?”

            LRH: “They wouldn’t admit to ever having been slaves. They might like to have me think they’ve all
            been gentlemen… big drop.

            MSH: mhmm.

            She’s thinks, Oh this is rich, he has uncovered so much, we have done it together! He makes so much sense! Oh make me your slave Ron, I’m yours!
            You’re not a gentleman – take me! I’ll prove to you how much I believe in you –
            I’ll do anything for you! I am your willing slave. Go on and on Ron, don’t ever stop.
            I’ll… I’ll give you my life, I’ll give you children, I’ll go to jail for you, I’ll protect you until my dying day… her heart beats loudly in her chest… omg! Let me ride your Targ Ron!

            • aegerprimo

              OMG! On the money Q-bird!

          • richelieu jr

            The room was nearly dark except for the bright cherry at the end of Teenage Miscavige’s cigar… “Go on..” he hissed…

    • Scream Nevermore

      Merde, Qbird, I was eating there, and you’ve put me right off!

    • Snake Plissken

      I just threw up in my mouth a little

    • NOLAGirl

      Ugh. Q, next time just take a dump on my car please.

    • Xenu Ate My Baby!

      Ew.
      It’s the dinner hour around these parts…well, it was.
      😉

    • SOL

      Ah yes… The L stands for Lothario.

    • Qbird

      Apologies to the bunker. But that’s my honest take-away on this rare tape recording.
      Never mind what that asshat was saying – what was he doing?!

      • SOL

        You know what they say about Jim Morrison and his (ahem) methods…

    • richelieu jr

      He had no time for hanky-panky with the missus! He was jacking off an entire cult!

      he would screw her well enough in a couple of decades, as she sat alone and pining for him in a cell and he heaped blame upon her, doggy-style…

  • Jeb Burton

    Rinder and Rathbun both believe in the E=meter and think that false readings are because of the auditor. I think they both know better, and still believe because it brings in thousands of dollars to them personally. Or maybe its because I just hate anyone who still follows this flim flam con man LRH. Why would seemingly intelligent people still believe in this mess?

    • Captain Howdy

      I don’t always agree with what you have to say Jeb, but I’m always happy to see you because I know you’ll bring the ruckus.

      • Jimmy3

        Jeb Burton shadow-boxing, and the Wu-Tang sword style… If what you say is true, the Jeb Burton and the Wu-Tang could be dangerous! Do you think your Wu-Tang sword can defeat me?

        • Captain Howdy

          I use to have many swords, but not anymore, but I will defeat you with my Ol’ Dirty Bastard stench strength.

    • Espiando

      Marty and Mike are just trying to grab on to one thing to stop them from circling the drain completely. Some people are “rip the bandage off” types, and some are “take the bandage off slowly, because it hurts less” types. The good news is that the bandage is mostly off with both of them. Marty’s filling the hole in his soul with less harmful varieties of woo-woo, while Mike is snarking his ass off. It’s the people who won’t give up on Hubbard who are the problem, like Milestone Two. If Robin Remoteviewed admits that there are some flaws with Hubbard (which he/she/clam has been doing recently), then maybe there’s hope.

      • richelieu jr

        I agree that whetherh or not he’s still clowning around with the gadgets, Marty wasn’t only doing to for the money, though Jeb may be on to something when he doubts his motives– I think Marty was (perhaps unintentionally) honest in his declaration iht his wife when she said that he was psychologically adrift before he started auditing again..

        I think he needed to reconstruct his ego, to get back a little of the self-worth he had lost (and make no mistake about it: Mr Warrior was puffed up Giant-Bullwinkle-size when he popped– excuse me, ‘blew’…) He was indeed ‘circling the drain’ as you say, Espiando, and clutching at things that would float. Suddenly the old reflexes came back. he knew something, he knew it BETTER than most other people– Perhaps better than anyone– even that twisted Dwarf, Miscaivige…

        He started to feel better, had an income, was his own boss… He saw a new admiration and respect (or was it relief?) in the eyes of the woman he loved…

        No wonder thatthat would be aheady s-elixir and most of you here know I feared the very worst… If he is able to shed that and only spread harmless woo-woo, I will actually have tremendous respect for the man.

        Nonetheless, I suspect there are at least two great temptations that lay await for the man, and as of yet I have not seen anything but a sort of carteligeonous proto-spine…

      • I like Mike’s way.

      • aquaclara

        I like how you described this. And you know, since both have followers, both styles work right now.

    • Mooser

      “and still believe because it brings in thousands of dollars to them personally.”

      Jeb, do you have even the slightest substantiation that either Rinder or Rathbun are still auditing people with e-meters and getting paid for it? Can you point us to anything which would substantiate that?

      • Mooser

        Oh, I don’t even know why I asked. Forget it, what difference does it make if they are doing it or not? Sorry

    • People have what feel like “wins” and feel like confirmation that the E-Meter actually works, that it does something. Short-term hypnotic trances are beneficial in that they are very relaxing. That it’s a fraud and the fact that the E-Meter is just a prop for self-hypnosis is difficult to convince some people of since the effects can be pleasureable.

    • TDA1541A

      Some people believe in America

  • BosonStark

    In wonder if there’s a missing “doctoral series” on Targs. Heard everything? Send in the Targs.

    • Observer

      Great, now this is in my head:

      http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cIqx5_w-dnk

      • Captain Howdy

        It could be worse. It could be the Celine Dion version.

        • Observer

          Thank Xenu I didn’t even know she did one, let alone heard it.

        • GAHH! Now that version is in my head.

          • Captain Howdy

            It is in your head because Celine Dion has never sang “Send In The Clowns”.
            ….

            • I hate you.

            • I can hear it in her nasal FC accent. You’ve created a horror that is only real in MY mind.

            • Captain Howdy

              Muahahahahaha!

            • Captain Howdy

              Lindsay!

              OK, I forgive you.

            • Vaquera

              Coulrophoniac here. Clicking “hide media” asap. But it’s a good one, Captain.

            • Jimmy3

              You’ll be okay. Just stay away from all plumbing/drains and Pennywise will never be able to get to you.

            • Observer

              ..

            • Jimmy3

              Excellent. And terrifying. I’m not afraid of clowns in general, but that movie scared the piss out of me as a kid.

            • Captain Howdy

              It was good until the suckass ending. Same thing with “Floating Dragon”.

            • J. Swift

              Obs, that image is scary. Reminds me of the people in the tunnels under Big Blue.

            • Observer

              It’s from the miniseries of the Stephen King novel It. The clown, Pennywise, often lurked in storm drains and would try to entice kids to get within his reach. He’d say “We all float down here.”

            • Vaquera

              Does Pennywise have anything to do with Penny Dreadful?

            • Jimmy3

              I didn’t know what that is before I just googled it, so I don’t know. Pennywise is the clown from Stephen King’s It.

            • Observer

              Oo, you are evil!

            • Captain Howdy

              Thank you, ma’am.

            • Eivol Ekdal

              ..

            • SOL
  • Sibs

    Uh… about 15 minutes in. Is Mary Sue or ANYONE keeping track of anything liar-h is saying? I wish she would cut in and point out that he’s just contradicting himself.

    • BosonStark

      This is a test to determine your Targworthiness. You’re in danger of flunk.

      • Sibs

        Communist Targs of the world, unite?

      • Sibs

        I swear, any of those Targ statements near the end taken out of context are giggle-worthy. … They’re giggle-worthy and context-free anyway, because I swear to god he probably forgot what he was saying a half hour earlier by the time he got to talking about lazy Communist Targs.

    • Eileen

      I think she may have nodded off for a minute there.

  • cdub

    This tape ‘e-meter scouting’ is certainly to new me and I thought I’d heard most of them, at least most of the techie ones. You’re right it’s a hoot. It must have been a decision on his part to keep it buried.

    • aegerprimo

      Welcome to the Bunker pie-face.

  • Pierrot

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    Midnight has come and gone, my computer is turning into a turnip,
    it is time for me to wish you good night, before I go and hit the sack,
    I want to urge you to go and whack these fraudulent ads on CL.

    https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-93#post-2464814

    Ty Baby

    • aegerprimo

      Goodnight Pierrot. Thank you for all your daily hard work.

  • Sibs

    Bang! Whiz! Crash! Boom! Bang! Bang? No bang? No bang.

    That’s some real science going on there.

  • media_lush

    actually I think it’s more because he was worried that people would say that this was his second scientology movie…..

    pic

  • media_lush
    • Sandy

      Oh – I thought you were gonna post that pic of the red dildo. The naked pornstash guy – who cares? Well, apparently, Tony does. Must respect.

      • media_lush

        I think he did it because he thought it was the real Gary Smith

    • aegerprimo

      I didn’t know about the Jon Atack paper, “Scientology: Religion or Intelligence Agency ?”.

      Good read, and here is a quote that gives an example of Co$ harassment.

      At the end of 1992, scientologists started to arrive uninvited on my doorstep. They always came in pairs, a new pair each time. The visits happened about once a week, but not on the same night. The timing of the visits varied, with the latest being after 11 o’clock. The first couple accused me of “persecuting” their religion. When I asked for details, one of them said that I had told a newspaper that Scientology “brainwashed” its members. I explained that the journalist had given his own opinion. I tend to avoid the emotive term “brainwashing” and speak instead of “coercive psychology”. Having failed in the particular, they moved on to the general. I was accused of being a liar. Unable to give any example of a lie I had told, one began chanting hysterically “you tell lies”.

  • Sibs

    He also keeps repeating himself whenever he doesn’t get a “drop”, until he does get a “drop”.

    Guys, why are there still people who believe the e-meter is infallible?

    • MaxSpaceman

      Stacy shows how it is done. And it’s been working like this for 60 years.

      Stacy Vaughn Young: “What happens in an auditing session is that the auditor asks the preclear, or
      pc, to locate a moment of trauma in his or her life. The pc is indoctrinated
      to believe that similar traumatic or painful experiences (such as all the
      times when you hurt your knee, or all the times when you missed your mother)
      are linked in the mind. If the pc tells the auditor about a certain moment…” http://www.lermanet.com/exit/onauditingbystacy.htm

      • Sibs

        I’ve started reading but I need to get ready to go and be social tonight. I’ll finish when I get back, probably after everyone here has gone to bed.

        • Missionary Kid

          I hope you had fun.

      • Sibs

        Just finished reading on my phone. The article is still open on my computer, I think I’ll save it in my journal when I get home. Thanks, Max! This is a lot of good material to ponder.

    • Mooser

      “Guys, why are there still people who believe the e-meter is infallible?”

      “Infallible” You are a tough customer. I get upset at the slightest suggestion that an e-meter is in any way useful, or responds to anything relevant.

      • Sibs

        Well, you know, aside from that. I thought all of that was already a given.

  • Science Doc

    Well Mary Sue, enough about Targs for today. Listen, my old friends the Heinleins said they might drop by after dinner. Could we possibly wear each other’s clothes?

  • Free Minds, Free Hearts

    I know this was news a week or so ago but here it is again, posted today. http://www.news9.com/story/25802563/oklahoma-multi-county-grand-jury-to-investigate-narconon

    Oklahoma Multi-County Grand Jury To Investigate Narconon.

    Narconon’s flagship rehab center on Lake Eufaula has been under investigation ever since three people died at the facility during a nine month time period in 2011 and 2012. Sources tell News 9 the Oklahoma Multi-County Grand Jury will now also be investigating the facility.

    The multi-county grand jury will meet next week. What they are investigating is typically kept secret. However, a former Narconon executive tells News 9 he has been subpoenaed to testify.

    “I know all the top players personally. I’ve been with Narconon 13 years, so I know everyone all over the country,” said Eric Tenorio, who spoke to News 9 from New York where he currently lives.

    Tenorio says sheriff’s deputies delivered a subpoena to his home and he has since learned he will be flown to Oklahoma City to testify in front of the grand jury on June 25. He says he doesn’t know the specific nature of the investigation, but says he has been working with the Oklahoma Insurance Commissioner’s office for months and believes that’s what he will be testifying about.

    • Sarah James

      Great news. Has anyone heard why the original investigators were fired? Yeah, this may just rock miscaviges world.

  • Eivol Ekdal

    Well folks, I am tired and one of the commies in my tummy is hungry.
    So it is milk and cookies and then bed for me.
    Thanks Tony and J. Swift for an enlightening day.

    • Captain Howdy

      Goodnight comrade

      • Eivol Ekdal

        Good Morning Comrade

    • Science Doc

      Yummy, yummy, yummy, I’ve got commies in my tummy.

  • Snake Plissken

    I don’t care about going Clear or going OT, I just want to know how much it costs to get that damn Targ to wash my car

    • Missionary Kid

      It will always cost however much you have.

  • NOLAGirl

    The interwebz are enturbulating the clams again. Sec checks for everyone!

    http://www.mikerindersblog.org/ruh-roh-security-breach-alert/

    I love how these idiots put pictures online and then call it a “Security Breach” when those pictures end up on a site they hate. Co$ – You are your own security breach.

    • SOL

      Hard to keep a low profile when you’re busily tooting your own horn. Maybe they should try tooting a little less. (Yeah right.)

  • jeff

    Off-Topic: Dr. Oz was fried in a Senate sub-committee today by Claire McCaskill regarding his snake-oiliness.

  • It’s a damn shame that Hubbard did not live in the era of “Chemtrails.” 🙂 He would have without a doubt launched off in to a screaming yark about “Chemtrails” as well. 🙂

  • aegerprimo

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    Todays list. Pick an area and flag the ads, or if you have time do the whole list.
    https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-93#post-2464814

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  • Ronald H. Card

    I wonder where Ron inserted his E(nema)-Meter nozzle?

    • Espiando

      Just below his Van Allen Belt.

  • flyonthewall

    I don’t think that BT’s are the most relevant subject in this recording. I think a more significant aspect of it is that Hubbard gets “positive reads” around the 29min mark when he talks about earth being a battleground for good v evil (theta v entheta) forces and that a savior will come to straighten it out. Guess who he figures the savior is? Oh yeah and he mentions Sara by name at around 14.40 as a totally entheta being out to mess everything up

  • valshifter

    The e-meter, being so unscientifically unapproved by the FDA is basically the equivalent of playing GUIJA out there.

  • Ronald H. Card

    Espiando, Nice one! And I bet he pleaded for KY jelly and got sand instead…LOLO…ron

  • Jgg2012

    Too bad that tape was just audio. If you had visuals, you would have noticed that there is a “drop” every time someone hands over money.

    • SOL

      Ugh… that big doughy face, beady eyes, blubber-toad lips, smug expression. Not even a millihelen (face that could launch one ship). And yet… he managed to build himself a nice lucrative empire.

  • J. Swift

    Tony, thanks for posting this quaint piece of early Scientology arcana.

    The late great Alan Walter used to say to me, “Jeff it’s all back there in the early 1950’s, the entities and so on. Ron was quite open about it.”

    Mary Sue Hubbard (1931-2002) was only 21 years old when this recording was made; LRH (1911-1986)
    was 41 years old.

    In this recording, the e-meter emerges as a Deus Ex Machina that saves Hubbard from the corner of Dianetics into which he had painted himself.

    From Wikipedia:

    “Deus ex machina … from Latin, meaning “god from the machine”; plural: dei ex machina) is a plot device
    whereby a seemingly unsolvable problem is suddenly and abruptly resolved by the contrived and unexpected intervention of some new event, character, ability or object….”

    Which leads me to ask, “Did the e-meter create Scientology or did L. Ron Hubbard create Scientology?

    I think the answer is that man and machine co-created each other and thus became Scientology.

    Volney Mathison’s preexisting e-meter served as the foundation upon which the superstructure of Scientology was erected. Whereas Dianetics did not need a meter, the centrality of the e-meter in Scientology is beyond dispute.

    Scientology cannot exist without the meter. And indeed Hubbard needs the meter to electropsychometrically scout the ether and thereby discover and narrate the vast and hidden “Battle of the Universes” whereby MEST is bent upon destroying Theta. This narration certainly foreshadows Hubbard’s later description of Incident II of OT III.

    Moreover, the meter itself grants, or confers upon, L. Ron Hubbard the status of Elecrtopsychometric Oracle. Thus, we obtain a tacit admission as to why Hubbard was “chosen” to rise above the bank: The meter chose him. In doing so, the meter rejected its father Volney Mathison. This is not surprising as Mathison lacked Hubbard’s particular gifts.

    This electropsychometric scouting also harkens past to Hubbard’s past wherein he used radio equipment to navigate the coastal waters from Puget Sound to Alaska in his small schooner. Aptly named Magician, the radio voyage was undertaken with his first wife Polly and thus this journey exactly prefigures his electropsychometric scouting with Mary Sue. The only difference is terrain: The Magician takes Hubbard and his wife into the inland passage of Alaska whereas the e-meter takes Ron and Mary Sue into the mysterious and unknown firmament of Heaven.

    As Russell Miller has noted, Hubbard would later astonish his followers in 1964 by announcing that he had twice visited Heaven. Therefore, Hubbard’s 1952 electropsychometric scouting was the necessary precursor for both visiting Heaven and the OT Levels.

    • SOL

      Great points, but in this case maybe merda ex machina would be more appropriate.

      • aegerprimo

        merda meaning, shit?

        • SOL

          bingo

    • Mooser

      “Scientology cannot exist without the meter.”

      I have no way of knowing, but I suspect that the first time a person, rather than just reading a book or seeing a film, takes the cans into his (or her) hands, a kind of Rubicon is crossed.

      • J. Swift

        Excellent observation Mooser. For some people a kind of Rubicon is crossed. Conversely, there are people who leave in disgust after the first time on the cans. In this sense, the meter acts as a culling device. A person has to accept the authority of the meter and the auditor to cross into Scientologyland.

        A bit of early 1950’s Scientology trivia: Hubbard borrowed the term “blowdown” from Jack Parsons. A term coined by Parsons for rocketry, “blowdown” describes the process in which rocket fuel and oxider “blowdown” at launch into the combustion chamber.

        https://www.grc.nasa.gov/www/k-12/airplane/Images/lrockth.gif

        • Mooser

          “A person has to accept the authority of the meter and the auditor to cross into Scientologyland.”

          And John Atack said it was the last thing to go. He absolutely stunned me when he said that in a comment thread here. But the man knows whereof he speaks.
          And yes, a culling device. Good description

        • Eivol Ekdal

          Regulated vs. Blowdown…pic

          • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

            COB definitely wants the blowdown type of rockets on the IAS mothership.

    • Snake Plissken

      Scientology ‘Ethics’ certainly wouldn’t exist without the e-meter, I suspect Hubbard would have still slapped Scientology into a package to peddle to suckers regardless of the e-meter, but it would look a lot different. Without the sec-checks, it would no longer operate like a North Korea Wannabe .

    • flyonthewall

      Beautifully put J. Hubbard incorporated the trust/hope/fascination the West had in technology and married it to the world of religion and faith. Use of the e-meter gave legitimacy, at least in the eyes of some, to what would otherwise be written off as space opera psycho babble.

      • J. Swift

        flyonthewall, you are very chic with that Jack Parsons avatar.

        You make an exact point. Scientology sells “spiritual technology.” That recent commercial for the new meter promotes the idea that this device can be used to attain the proprietary and secret spiritual states claimed by Scientology. Good luck on attaining anything in the Cult of Scientology except endless grief.

        But what is the e-meter? In actuality, as used by the Church, the meter is nothing more than a vehicle used to make money and pry people’s innermost secrets from them. In the hands of the Cult of Scientology the e-meter is a money-making offensive weapon, a tool used to control people.

        On a more prosaic level, Flag makes OT’s sign a contract whereby they agree to pay Flag $100,000 for each occurrence should they ever publicly discuss the OT levels: http://scientologymoneyproject.com/2014/06/17/flag-charges-ots-100000-per-occurance-if-they-talk-about-the-ot-levels/

        • aquaclara

          Just saw this on your site, J, and was stunned to see a contract for this. It reads like a business contract.

          How is this not a violation of the IRS ruling?
          And PS maybe shoot a copy to RayJ?

          I guess once one is out, the contract must be void? Thanks for the find….

    • aegerprimo

      “Deus ex machina … from Latin, meaning “god from the machine”; is a plot device whereby a seemingly unsolvable problem is suddenly and abruptly resolved by the contrived and unexpected intervention of some new event, character, ability or object….”

      • Vaquera

        I hate it when that happens.

      • SOL

        AKA the “Cousin Oliver Syndrome.”

        • Vaquera

          SOL. I am finding your bon mots quite entertaining tonight.

          • SOL

            But on other nights not so much? (I mean thank you!)

            • Vaquera

              I’m not here enough to give a definitive answer. My bad.

            • SOL

              Don’t worry. There’s always way too much stuff here to read, at least for me, no matter how often I visit. An embarrassment of riches, one might say.

  • Sejanus

    This should be out there for every $cientologist to take in.
    The guy is out of his tree!

    Funny how the future was all 1950’s…truly a visionary…lol
    He should have just made up a language and gone eep op ork ah ah.
    Would have made as much sense as any of his nonsense.

    All this over a simple skin galvanometer.
    Pathetic.

    The voice of that poor girl….so deluded…Svengali at its very best.

    • SOL

      Now that you mention it… it is a bit surprising that he never did the “speaking in tongues” thing. Especially considering how utterly inarticulate he was when speaking English.

      • Sejanus

        I suppose Xenu and the Thetans and the rest all speak English…that’s handy.
        He is so hard to listen to though.
        I just don’t understand how people could handle him.

        • Vaquera

          You didn’t know that English is the intergalactic language? 🙂

          • Sejanus

            No, I had once read it was supposed to be Esperonto…lol

            • Vaquera

              Bwa-hahaha. Would that my synapse were operating as fast as yours (and most here) this evening.

        • SOL

          Oh please please please somebody name their band Xenu and the Thetans!

          • Sejanus

            Actually that’s what I call an army I use for wargaming…lol

          • Frodis73

            If I could sing well enough, I would totally do that…& we would rock.

        • SOL

          Absolute power corrupts absolutely. Hubbard didn’t (and Miscavige doesn’t) have to make any concessions at all, ever. If what you say is by definition true (or “fair and balanced”), your audience will obediently hang on every word, burp, and fart. At least until the effects of the Kool-Aid begin to wear off. At that point, I imagine people start asking themselves, “What the fuck is he talking about?” Followed by “Why the fuck am I listening?”

  • aurora50

    Targs, pets and sometimes food of the Klingons:

    http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Targ?file=Targ.jpg

    • media_lush

      so, if ‘Targs’ are Klingon pets and what thetans were before they became, well, thetans what would a ‘Tribble’ be in scientology lingo land? {being they hate Klingons and all that}

      • Sejanus

        SP’s
        Super Petable..lol

      • Frodis73

        Loved your blog today-I hadn’t read that piece from Jon before, so thank you.

      • Jimmy3

        Targs as Klingon boars seem like a rip-off of Wargs, the Orcs’ wolves in Tolkien’s Middle-Earth. And also the Orcish mounts in World of Warcraft. And also, in like, every other sci-fi/fantasy story ever. Wargs in GRR Martin’s Song of Ice and Fire are able to enter and control the minds of animals. That’s different, at least.

  • Sejanus

    I like Doctor Who….
    but when I hear Hubbsie I think it is more like Commodore Wtf.

  • Frodis73

    I really, really tried to listen to the lrh thing…I couldn’t handle more than about 15 mins tho…half listened to the rest. It just confirms my thoughts that he’s pulling it all out of his ass as he goes along.
    If you want a giggle check out this story abut North Korea & Lil Kim throwing a hissy fit about not being able to control the weather. I kept thinking of dm after every slam the writer sent Kim’s way.
    http://www.inquisitr.com/1295360/kim-jong-un-attacks-the-weather-service-and-the-reason-why-is-hysterical/

    • Sejanus

      I found the same thing….it’s funny but sad at the self same time.
      When you think of the damage and abuses that would come as a result of him and his BS.

      No matter how ya slice it…his mind was an interesting playground…scary for sure.

      • Frodis73

        Agreed. It’s amazing that the damage is still going on. He sure forced his name into the history books that’s for sure…just not the way he wanted & it’s only going to get worse when it really blows open.

  • Sejanus

    Hmm $cientology should sue Paramount studios over infringement of the use of the word Targ.
    Clearly Roddenberry and his guys swiped it..lol

  • Tone

    Does anyone remember the video game Targ from the early 80’s? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Targ_(video_game) It was a grid with a player who navigated it and there were triangle shaped objects, the “targs” that you had to avoid and shoot out of the way. It was a fairly devilish game, I spent many a quarter trying to master it.

    How bizarre that Hubbard used the word in his nutty space opera thirty years before the game.

  • Techie

    Tony, they use cans and not tiny electrodes because more surface area produces a larger result. The science of skin galvanometers is pretty well known and is not much in question. Anyone can see the difference between a muscle twitch or squeeze and an actual physiological reaction. The physiological reactions are smoother and have a lower frequency spectrum. The effect is not produced by muscle contractions but by changes in the tiny capillaries in the skin, skin pH and moisture, and the galvanic effect of the metal cans forming a battery-like structure. The latter can be proved by reversing current after the “cans have warmed up” (meter has settled down to a fairly even reading range). When you reverse the current the meter shifts quite a bit, then drifts back to where it was. The meter cannot show mental states or the mental state of an “entity” or anything spiritual at all. It shows the endocrine and other reactions of the body to changes in mental state. Obviously there are reactions when certain subjects are mentioned, so it does show something about how the subject reacts to what he perceives. I say this for clarity, to answer some questions below in the comments, and not to dispute the point of your article. If there is any way to create a more plausible but completely fraudulent pseudo-science than this misuse of a galvanometer I can hardly imagine what it would be. You can say anything, engage in the most soaring flights of fancy, see a reaction and poof! Truth! Verified! Scienterrrrific!! Money for nothing! Chicks for free! The spiritualists were doing exactly the same thing with their Ouija Boards and automatic writing, but think of the long agonizing struggle to achieve even a moderately sensible revelation. With the meter you can blather on for hours in plain English, saying whatever you want. Got the read, crash, good to go. To receive a revelation from an alien you had to invent an entire experience, lie about it and invent evidence, or spend hundreds of hours having false memories implanted via hypnosis. And even then the “revelations” always sound suspiciously like some High School kid on a controlled substance. Not so with the meter, it’s all sciency as hell from the start, no other evidence required. And then with the meter, you can tell others to do the same. They will have the same kinds of revelations. Or at least something just as exciting. Because they will wallow in confirmation bias too, tend to believe it’s all true because the meter said so, and Bob’s your uncle. World wide fastest growing religion in the world.The lie is not that the meter doesn’t work, it does show you body reactions to mental states. The lie is not even that you can’t use that as a kind of biofeedback mechanism to make yourself feel better. You can. The lie is that you can use it to discover any kind of truth. It’s not a truth detector, it’s a lie detector. Hope Mooser’s gone to bed now, don’t want to set him off again

    • aegerprimo

      It’s good to set Mooser off – IMHO.

      • Mooser

        This place is unbelievable sometimes! Okay, threaten somebody, curse like a sailor (except they are usually better at it) make the most absurd ad hominens or give instruction in knife-fighting, and hey, you’re just one of the boys and girls.
        Ask somebody perfectly reasonable questions without any scatology (maybe just a modicum of snark) and everybody goes all to pieces.
        That is a very disturbing picture.

    • MaxSpaceman

      You can say anything, engage in the most soaring flights of fancy, see a reaction and poof! Truth! Verified! Scienterrrrific!!

      From 1952, the git-go of Scilon Products, Inc., Ron boy comes out as the Snake Oil Salesman. This time, With PROOF! – this meter here, ya’ see?

    • DodoTheLaser

      Best objective critical description, imo. Thank you.

    • Mooser

      “The effect is not produced by muscle contractions but by changes in the
      tiny capillaries in the skin, skin pH and moisture, and the galvanic
      effect of the “metal cans forming a battery-like structure.”

      Told ya! I knew somebody would say that! “A battery like structure”? Oh please.

      Do you think Tony is lying to you about the e-meter? Read the article.

      • Techie

        OK Mooser, it’s just you and me, the nattering jackdaws of the Bunker have moved on to shinier shiny objects. I call you out formally! As caller-out I get to choose the weapons: Fisticuffs at 40 paces! It’s a right! No a left! No an uppercut! Nothing is connecting at 40 paces but the furious effort is a wonder to behold!Seriously, I understand your skepticism about the meter and the deluded devotees that try to promote it. However I have actually tried the polarity reversal experiment and have spent 100s of hour testing, using and repairing e-meters. I have told the truth as best I know it. Tony is not lying but his sources may not have the knowledge they claim to have. It is easy to make a claim, harder to present convincing references, harder yet to prove the claim by actual test. However, the point about the ideomotor effect that I object to does not in any way compromise Tony’s post. Ron was using a lie detector explore truth. It is no wonder he came up with a towering edifice of lies as a result.

        • Mooser

          “It shows the endocrine and other reactions of the body to changes in mental state.”

          I see. So would you like to substantiate that “endocrine and other reactions in mental state” can be in any way related to slight changes in body resistance as ‘measured’ from hand-to-hand?

          Has medical science been overlooking this accurate way of assessing mental states? How come my doctor never measures my resistance?

          • Mooser

            “Tony is not lying but his sources may not have the knowledge they claim
            to have. It is easy to make a claim, harder to present convincing
            references, harder yet to prove the claim by actual test”

            You do realise what you just opened the door, high, wide and handsome, to? Forget it, I’m not going to go there. It would be cruel to start pointing out that you may have been, well, just a little non-objective at the time.

            As for me, I’ll take Tony’s word for it. He’s the one you better talk to. Everything I have read, seen, or experienced for myself tells me that the movements of the meter is related to absolutely nothing significant, and the ‘patterns’ are of the e-meter are generated strictly by the people involved.

            Anyway, you want a test, jeez, I can think of a half-dozen people at least who would just love a demonstration.

            What you seem to me to be doing is conceding the e-meter might be faulty, but just like about a dozen people I have had this discussion with, you just can’t admit that it is spurious. Have it your way, the e-meter does do something, I’m perfectly willing to admit that; the needle moves back and forth. But it doesn’t tell you anything. You can imagine it does, if you want.

            • Mooser

              “Anyone can see the difference between a muscle twitch or squeeze and an
              actual physiological reaction. The physiological reactions are smoother
              and have a lower frequency spectrum”

              So what? What makes you think the electricity from the e-meter (or is it the “battery-like structures” LOL) goes right to where you imagine it is measuring these things, and out the other hand? Cause you want it to?
              And all that “frequency spectrum” stuff? Well to start with, the meter movement (as we have seen here) is a specially ordered un-damped meter movement. No wonder it bounces all over the place. It bounces all over the place but it doesn’t tell you anything! No wonder it’s the movement, not the measurement.

              And again, please, please point me to any thing which shows that any bodily process, mental or physiological, can be detected or traced by measuring resistance from hand to hand? Is medical science overlooking such an easy way to see inside the human body? That would be tragic, and maybe you can help fix it.

            • grundoon

              Since the needle moves, obviously there is some process that causes it, or more likely there are multiple causes. Just as there is some process that causes tea leaves to settle in a certain way, and there are quite a few processes that can cause a black cat to cross one’s path.

              Nobody knows exactly why the conductivity changes as it does. Maybe there is interesting science involved: the tea leaves might interest a physicist, and the cats might interest a biologist. Surely Hubbard didn’t know or care why the needle moves; the science behind it, whatever it may be, has nothing to do with his confidence game.

            • grundoon

              “the movements of the meter is related to absolutely nothing significant

              Now you’re onto something. The hokum lies in Hubbard’s attribution of significance to these electrical fluctuations.

          • grundoon

            All your doctor would see is that changes occur in your electrical conductivity, some of which might be influenced by changes in your mental state. But your doctor can surmise already that, unless you’re unconscious or dead, mental phenomena of one kind or another are continually occurring. This is of little concern medically unless it stops, which the doctor can discern without a meter.

            You’ve described your experimentation with the electrical conductivity of human flesh using capacitors and carbon rods. Did these affect your mental state?

  • Jimmy3

    Is there any evidence that LRH was familiar with JRR Tolkien’s early writing?

    • Sejanus

      I don’t think he had time to read..he was too busy stealing every philosophy out there and putting if through the Hubbtron 2000.

      • Jimmy3

        That’s what I’m getting at. His story of the Thetans creating the universe as a game and Incident I have a hint of cheap knock-off of the Music of the Ainur and the creation of Middle-Earth. Those stories were out there during his time. I don’t know. Maybe it’s a stretch.

        • Frodis73

          Hmmm…interesting. We know lrh read enough to steal from everybody else, but he doesn’t strike me as a reader…most writers are avid readers & talk about their love of books from an early age. I don’t remember ever hearing anything like that said about lrh. From what I have read of his awful writing, I’m not sure he could handle Dr Suess let alone Tolkien. Who knows though…he could have skimmed just enough to get the gist of it…he seems like that kind of guy (to me anyway) that would do that just to “fit in” if it came up in conversation.

          • SOL

            Dr. Suess can be pretty trippy if you’re high enough and one of your loony-tune friends is reading it to you. Especially if you’re under the misguided impression (and we know Hubbard had way more than his fair share of those) that the “doctor” was writing scientific tracts.

            • Frodis73

              Very good point about Dr Suess, I love him. Was too lazy to google the author of the Jack & Jill books. I also agree about having somebody read it to a group-very cool experience under the right circumstances.

          • Jimmy3

            I don’t know why it’s accepted that he was so quick to steal any idea he could find and re-package it, but the idea that he stole some of his science fiction bs is so far out of the question. Aren’t there common suggestions that he stole the name “Xemu/Xenu” from a Fantastic Four issue? I’m sure there are many other examples.

            • Frodis73

              I’d never heard that about Xenu & Fantastic Four; though I’m not a big comic person with the exception of graphic novels. Interesting. Next time I talk to my friend who is like a walking encyclopedia I’ll ask if he’s heard anything about that. I’ve honestly never read any of lrh’s sci fi; my dad said don’t waste your time and I never came across it via friends or recommendations, etc. I’ve only read the scientology stuff in small doses.
              ETA:typos

            • grundoon

              Xemu was the despotic Prime Minister of the Fifth Dimension. He was overthrown by his people with the help of the Human Torch. He reappeared, reconquering the fifth dimension first and then Attilan, where he took the Inhumans captive. He tried to hold he world hostage using a device constructed by Phineas, but he was foiled by the Fantastic Four.http://marvel.wikia.com/Zemu_%28Earth-616%29

              Xemu at OCMB

              http://www.xenu.net/images/fantastic_four.png

            • DodoTheLaser

              Xemu, Xenu… Fifth Dimension, Fifth Invaders…

              Like anyone is going to notice, Ron said to himself.

            • DodoTheLaser

              “Xemu was the despotic Prime Minister of the Fifth Dimension.”

              Funny how President Hubbard made his PM Xemu an escape goat.

        • Captain Howdy

          I’m pretty sure Hubbard got the idea for body thetans from that Outer Limits episode.
          ….

          • Frodis73

            Lol, I love that episode. Those bugs/aliens slay me man.

            • Captain Howdy

              It literally scared the crap out of me when i was a kid. That and the Shatner Twilight Zone episode. It’s no wonder I’m damaged and weird.

            • Frodis73

              Me too. My dad turned me on to all kinds of weird, cool stuff (esp since I’m a woman). He introduced me to Outer Limits, TZ, Rocky Horror (on beta!!) and took me to see Killer Klowns from Outer Space at a film club. The Dickies rock that soundtrack. I blame my dad for my weirdness, but I love him for it.

            • Captain Howdy

              My wife use to blame my Father for me being such a morbid mofo because of all the horrible stories he told me about WWII and Korea and all the other weird fucked up shit he saw in the merchant marines when i was young, but I took to horror like a whore takes to money when I was like six. It’s in my blood.

            • Frodis73

              I’ve been accused of being morbid too-I can’t help it, it’s just how i see the world. It’s crazy how influential parents can be tho.

            • Jimmy3

              Fun fact: if you literally have the crap scared out of you, it means you pooped your pants.

        • grundoon

          L. Ron Hubbard could not have known of Tolkien’s creation myth before its publication in 1977. Before then, it was unknown except to Tolkien himself and a few people close to him.

          Tolkien’s myth would have held no appeal nor interest for Hubbard. Hubbard’s multiverse revolved around himself, the solipsist master of the left-hand path. The ideal sought in Scientology is godlike power to create and uncreate universes at will, to use them and their inhabitants as playthings.

          In Tolkien’s universe, hubris is the cardinal sin. The desire to control and subjugate others is the essence of evil. Solipsism is the characteristic and fatal flaw of the archenemies Sauron and Morgoth, and of their most intimately debased victims – the Ringwraiths, Orcs, and Gollum/Stinker.

          • Captain Howdy

            Thanks o’ ultimate wise one.

          • Jimmy3

            No, The Silmarillion was compiled and published in 1977 after Tolkien’s death. It is a collection of stories that Tolkien worked on at various times. The Music of the Ainur creation story was written and changed and published in various forms well before then. I’m not saying Hubbard actually lifted his creation idea from Tolkien, but it has reminded me of it. Stab in the dark, I guess.

            • grundoon

              Hubbard released OT3 in 1968. Where was any version of The Music of the Ainur published before then? Dox please.

              Anyway I don’t even see any resemblance between the stories.

            • Jimmy3

              See my edit from a few hours ago.

            • grundoon

              The earliest draft of The Music of the Ainur dates to about 1918-1920, according to Christopher Tolkien in The History of Middle-Earth. It was revised in the 1930s. In 1946-48 Tolkien drafted a “Round Earth Version” but decided against it. His final revision was in 1951. AFAICT it was never circulated or submitted until Christopher edited it for publication in the Silmarillion (1977).

        • Robert Eckert

          None of the Silmarillion was published until after Tolkien’s death.

          • Jimmy3

            I admitted that I was wrong quite a while ago, but thank you. I am now extra wrong.

            • Robert Eckert

              Ah, well Disqus didn’t bring me any of the new posts. You see, I avoid admitting that I am wrong by the simple expedient of never being wrong. And Robert, you’re right.

            • Jimmy3

              And Robert, you’re right, that is a damn good catchphrase.

  • aegerprimo
    • Vaquera

      All of the Houston ads claim a Scientology or Dianetics connection.

      • aegerprimo

        Typical

      • Pierrot

        Welcome to the team Vaquera,
        If you mean that we should not flag them because they do not hide their connection,
        It does not matter, we are flagging them because they are a scam using CL as a bait & switch trap.
        If you click on the [?] at the right hand side of *Prohibited* it will display CL rules for flagging.

        • Vaquera

          I hesitated for 10 seconds and then clicked to my heart’s content!

    • Nibs Said

      California Red-Xed! Talk about a way to feel great in the morning – Red-X ’em!

      Favorites (four-way tie):
      “Do You Need a Reality Adjustment?”
      “Do You Harm Other People?”
      “Do You Have Secrets?”
      “Do You Treat Others Badly?”

      Yes, these are real titles of real CL ads put out by the evil, criminal cult of $cientology. The height of irony (or Lrony)

  • Captain Howdy

    Rock On Red X Gang and everyone else
    PRAY LOUD for maximum spiritual effect
    http://youtu.be/GlzzCSVCqOc

    • SOL

      Pray loud? Or play loud? Or maybe both? What the hell!

  • FOTF2012

    Targs –> BTs. Hmm. Hubbard had also used the term Norns before he landed on engrams. Norns were entities too — spirits, female I think, that ruled destiny of humans and such. Norns –> engrams.

    Quite the busy wordsmith, Hubbard was. Very interesting that Dianetics: The Modern _Science_ of Mental Health started off with supernatural beings as the cause of our ills, before settling on engrams.

    Scary concept in that tape — a being that is made entirely of “entheta.” I guess that would be like the piece of “pure evil” in the movie Time Bandits.

    And I enjoyed the question of why cans in auditing? Why not just put the electrodes on your body? I’d never thought of that. It’s so obvious on reflection that the system is set up to be affected by multiple variables (sweat, grip, body movement, temperature, etc.) so that you can then interpret them various ways. I’d love to see someone experiment doing an auditing session with electrodes attached to the PCs body and see if auditing still worked. If it did, good validation. If it didn’t that’d be good evidence that auditing is based on changing electrical resistance, but on unconscious movement / ideomotor reactions. Phoof. There would go the whole “mental image pictures have mass” theory.

    • Mooser

      You can test your ideas about e-meter without spending a lot of money. Buy or borrow a cheap multi-meter (also called a VOM) and you will need some cans to hold on to. You can buy a multi-meter for as little as $9.95

  • Sibs

    Walked past the Pasadena Org and counted 4 or 5 staff members on break in the alleyway (around 11pm, so maybe it wasn’t a break) along with a guard. They stick out, especially since they’re all in uniform and they’re so frowny and for god’s sake, when you have to have a guard to make sure nobody talks to you, that doesn’t ring alarm bells?

    • Jimmy3

      And how did that conversation go?

      • Sibs

        Apparently he used to date a Mormon so he wasn’t surprised that there was crazy shit going on? It was funny because we haven’t really been hanging out for very long. And then we also drove past the Valley Org because he gave me a ride to my car so I wouldn’t have to wait for the train.

        • Jimmy3

          He sounds like a right and proper gentleman. The last time I tried to have a conversation about Scientology, I was hit with: “You knowing all that about Scientology is weirder than Scientology itself.” There’s the zinger.

          • DodoTheLaser

            That’s funny and telling. You know the subject is way weird when both scientologists and the critics are a bit shy to mention it in public. Hey, at least they can agree on that!

            • Nibs Said

              Hey Dodo, fellow night owl . . .
              In speaking to friends and family about scientology (just over the last few months), it’s alarming to find how little they know about this cult. One sibling thought old LRH was just a harmless sci-fi writer who wrote a book a bunch of nuts latched on to, and that he probably never intended them to. Was glad to set her straight and now make it a habit to mention it (warn people, is more like it) and at least try to make people aware.

            • DodoTheLaser

              Thanks for informing people, Nibs.

            • Nibs Said

              Well, thanks for the thanks

            • DodoTheLaser

              Considering you were never in, I double appreciate your activism.
              Same goes for many other Bunkerites here. Thank you very much!

            • Nibs Said

              : )

          • Mooser

            There is what my wife says (and I can’t say she doesn’t have a point. That would be suicidal) and she says “Look, buster, I’ve managed to go fifty years without hearing about or coming into contact with Scientology, and I damn sure don’t want to hear about it from you!”

  • Sydjazz

    Wooahh this is going to get the supah powas that be angry. Hope someone has kept a copy of this as you know they will try and bury it

    • Mooser

      the supah powas that be”

      Excellent!

      • Sydjazz

        Hehe thanks *bows*

  • Eivol Ekdal
    • Eivol Ekdal

      Port calls..

    • DodoTheLaser

      Courtesy of Chocolate Velvet. Refresh.

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  • My name is Larry Lester

    ‘thought of a sinking ship’ How ionic

  • Once_Born

    Perhaps this recording is a kind of practice run for one the lucrative ‘congresses’ that Hubbard ‘lectured’ to at regular intervals.

    Maybe, during this period, he wasn’t making it all up as he went along, but (under the influence of Mary Sue) made some of it up beforehand, in private, and then listened to the tape he made of it, to get some idea of how it might go over.

    In other words, she made him prepare.

    • My name is Larry Lester

      Fair call. But I think it sounds like 2 people wanting to create something out of nothing. No real preparation. MSH is waiting for the TGP to take the lead at the start. TGP very much in control. I think they really believed they were unlocking the universe/s. Such a massive ego.

      • Once_Born

        Call me a cynic, but I find that Hubbard’s actions (especially in the early days)can almost always be more clearly understood when you assume he was motivated by money and power.

        His ‘technical advances’ frequently address some practical difficulty (disaffection in the ranks?- issue an amnesty. Business slow? make a new ‘discovery’).

        The fantasy elements are there because he simply didn’t have the intellect of the application to achieve the fame we wanted by conventional means – so we agree about the ego!

        • My name is Larry Lester

          yes! very well put!

  • Fred640

    The most striking thing about that recording is how dull LRH is. Not only is LRH clearly making this stuff up as he goes along, he’s not bright enough to make it very convincing. He’s barely one step ahead of Mary Sue.

    It reminds me of that one-sheet of scribbles for OTIII. LRH exerts no effort on behalf of the story he’s selling. All he cares about is the pitch. The recording demonstrates just how persuasive he must have been to hold so many people in thrall to such nonsense.

  • I get it. ” I ‘. 11th dynamic.

  • Lots and lots of nattering going on.All nattering is self exposure.(hubbards own ethics tech).

    • Sydjazz

      Yeah my three year old likes to make up words too. Omg is my son the reincarnation of lrh?

  • Tina

    Tony, loved your interview. I could have listened for at least another three hours, sirens and fire klaxons notwithstanding. How is the book coming? Or are you waiting for The Final Crash of the cult before the last chapter is done?

    My amazon Prime buy finger is itchy.

  • valshifter

    its funny how, when the emeter does not react “no fall” to his mouth diarrhea he ignores it and goes to something different , till the meter reacts, then he screams “chraash”, it is unbelievable how he comes up with different stories by the minute just coming out of his fat ass. and scientologist believe this stories to be true, “the origin of the universe”

  • What could one expect from one thinks there are only 8 dynamics.And all going downward. Missed the upper 3 that way. There are 11 dynamics.

  • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

    What a find and what an important piece of evidence of L. Ron Hubbard’s method of research.

    Just one of the all time most important pieces of evidence of L. Ron Hubbard research methods.

    This blog site is so valuable to Scientology watchers.

  • Olatunde Aroloye

    Waitaminute… do you people mean to say that YOU NEVER KNEW that DIANETICS developed from MEDIUMISM TECH, which L. Ron Hubbard learned from ALEISTER CROWLEY, and PSYCHOANALISIS (sic), which he learned from “COMMANDER SNAKE THOMPSON?”