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Jon Atack’s final weekly column for us on Scientology, and it’s a doozy

ScientologyMythbustingJon Atack is the author of A Piece of Blue Sky, one of the very best books on L. Ron Hubbard and Scientology. He has a new edition of the book for sale, and he’s helping us sift through the legends, myths, and contested facts about Scientology that tend to get hashed and rehashed in books, articles, and especially on the Internet.

Once again, Jon is taking on Scientology’s most basic beliefs and putting them under a microscope. This week, he has some thoughts for us about how Scientologists internalize L. Ron Hubbard’s toxic policies of Disconnection and Fair Game.

JON: And we’ll do even better and start out with a quote from the Dalai Lama: “The whole purpose of religion is to facilitate love and compassion, patience, tolerance, humility, forgiveness.”

If you had been subjected to mind control, how would you know? This is a question that my eminent friend Steve Hassan has long asked members of destructive cults. Mind control is invisible to the victim. Otherwise, it would not be mind control. Hubbard echoes this with the statement that if you knew what was wrong with you, it wouldn’t be wrong, but fails to explain his own system of implanting.

The late, great Margaret Singer pointed out that exploitative persuasion works simply because we are so confident of our resistance to it. Many years ago, I ended an interview with a former executive of the ruling Watchdog Committee, and he effusively told me that the great thing about our experience was that we would never be fooled again. I stopped him, then and there, by explaining that what I had realized is that I am very gullible, so I need to be careful about what I believe, and especially careful about taking anything on trust — from the multiverse to the reality of engrams.

I have no sense of invulnerability, even after studying exploitative persuasion for almost thirty years. The leading expert Robert Cialdini points out in his essential Influence that he is a “patsy,” which is what compels his interest in the subject. Those who are most convinced of their invulnerability are the easiest to influence. Among the most damaging Scientology implants are the “only one” and “know best” beliefs, which lead to smug self-satisfaction, which precludes self-observation and makes Scientologists deployable agents of the cult, immune to reason or morality.

Scientology is a system of thought reform. It addicts adherents, so that they become willing to sacrifice everything to it, in the hope of supernatural powers and the risible belief that they will otherwise lose their immortality. While boasting of their liberation, members become ever more dependent. Phobias are induced against any other belief system, and, most of all, against the scientific exploration of the mind. While pretending to be scientific, Dianetics and Scientology have produced not a single proof of their many exaggerated claims. No proof that cancer can be cured, that IQ can be raised or that paranormal powers can be achieved. Indeed, the only study conducted by Hubbard, in 1951, failed to recover a single “engram.” He speaks of the use of “pain drug hypnosis” in this attempt in Science of Survival.

As it is, Scientology induces a “reactive mind.” Adherents become incapable of analysing problems, instead resorting to “thought terminating cliches” (in the words of Robert Jay Lifton). Rather than considering evidence, they will spout slogans. The engrams that populate this reactive mind are Hubbard’s own notions: “The way out is the way through,” “the speed of the particle flow alone determines the power,” “what you fear you become,” “absolutes are unobtainable,” “make it go right.” On and on, these unconsidered maxims pour forth, until no original thought is possible, because it would be “unethical” to disagree with the Great OT, and he has pronounced on almost every subject from running an intergalactic organization to cleaning windows. Suffice it to say that experience shows that smearing printers’ ink from newspapers onto glass is not an effective cleaning method. So much for the Technology.

Hubbard made broad, generalized claims that do not survive scrutiny. For instance, we are told that “sickness is of course the result of engram chains in restimulation” (Handling Illness in Scientology), which fails to explain his own continuing ill health after he was supposedly “Clear” or his dependence in his final days on the psychiatric drug Vistaril. It also sets aside our knowledge of viruses, bacteria, and prions. (See also Medical Claims in Scientology.)

“The only reason a person gives up a study or becomes confused or unable to learn is because he or she has gone past a word that was not understood.” But those of use familiar with the “Study Tech” know that there are other reasons, and that this “broad generality” is not true. Scientology is replete with contradictions and imperatives. It all adds up to “Ron-determinism” rather than the independence of thought claimed by Hubbard for his “processing” and “indoctrination.”

The most invidious practices at the heart of this mind control system are Disconnection and Fair Game. Sadly, both continue to be practiced automatically by former members. When I interviewed the “world’s first real Clear,” John McMaster, he described his arguments with Hubbard over the introduction of the Suppressive Person doctrine. He exhorted Hubbard to withdraw Disconnection, because it showed fear of SPs and a failure to “confront.” He repeatedly asked Hubbard to develop “tech” that would handle SPs, rather than simply cringing in fear and running away. But the purpose of Disconnection, as with so much else in Scientology, is hidden. It is not to protect Scientologists, but to keep them from hearing criticism of Hubbard. But didn’t Hubbard say, “A being is as alive as he can communicate?”

The interested reader might look at John Stuart Mill’s On Liberty, where the reasoning for paying attention to dissenting views is well explained, a century before Hubbard came on the scene with Disconnection. Once we consider our own views perfect, we will become intolerant and halt any progress in thinking. Under Hubbard’s terms, there can be no science, because the beauty of the scientific method is its insistence on constant checking and rechecking, on the right to question every existing hypothesis. Where religions tend to demand compliance (with the possible exception of Buddhism), science demands new thinking and better solutions. Bigoted dogmatism has no place in any scientific endeavour, least of all a supposed science of the mind.

Disconnection is both an act of war and an admission of defeat. It can only lead to disharmony in human relations, save where it is employed in the short term to protect from an abusive communicator. I left Scientology, when I was asked to disconnect from a friend. I explained that I would never allow my communication to be directed by any outside source, and that I am perfectly capable of defending myself against any verbal communication, using reason alone. You can imagine the look on the Saint Hill ethics officer’s face.

Fair Game is the single most invidious practice of Scientology. While I was a member, I had no awareness that it had ever existed. The use of the term had long been forbidden (“It causes bad public relations”). I had never seen Hubbard’s awful assertion in the Hubbard Communication Office Manual of Justice: “People attack Scientology; I never forget it, always even the score.” I knew nothing of the criminal and vindictive tactics of the Guardian Office, as directed by Hubbard. The truth is that this behavior is inculcated in members, whether they have ever heard of Fair Game or not. Luckily, I was never infected.

I spent a couple of years digging around in Cherokee history and mythology, while writing my light-hearted thriller, Voodoo Child (slight return). I was fascinated by one concept. In the eighteenth century, a Cherokee explained to the whites he met, “War is our beloved occupation.” But the Cherokee came to realize that their cult of the blood-feud was destructive and went through a remarkable civilizing transformation. They decided that revenge, the vendetta of the Sicilians, would always lead to disharmony and hatred, so they abandoned it. They gave up war and took up farming. In a single generation, they became one of the most civilized societies the world has ever seen.

I left Scientology because of Disconnection and Fair Game. I thought that the indies wanted a Scientology without the taint of such practices. I call this persistent enactment of Hubthink post-Scientology syndrome. Those implanted with Hubbard’s beliefs cannot help themselves. The implanted suggestions act below consciousness, like obsessive compulsive disorder (or like the hypnotic victim in Dianetics: MSMH, who removes his jacket when the hypnotists touches his tie, but justifies the act by claiming the temperature has risen). I have managed to help many people remedy this condition, but it is invisible to those suffering from it, so they never, never, never ask for help. Instead, they will tell you that they are in great shape (often as not taking another drag on the cigarette they just can’t quit). Such is the nature of denial.

Of course, there are many people out there who feel justified in causing havoc for those they dislike. When we feel wronged, there is an animal urge to seek retribution. Medieval churches often had murals of Hell, so that congregations could rejoice in the torments in store for those they hated. What a strange view of Heaven — a place of comfort from which you could enjoy the screams of the wicked, far below.

Peace in Northern Ireland has not come as an aspect of government’s ham-fisted interventions, but because the women of Northern Ireland decided to cross the barrier of prejudice and talk to one another. While the Truth and Reconciliation process in South Africa has not brought justice, it has at least prevented a blood bath. Vendetta is the fundamental cause of war: the willingness to victimize others and ignore their humanity. Our slow climb towards civilization is marked by the willingness to offer justice to all. Maybe we will get there one day.

In the meantime, for those seeking an understanding of the dreadful consequences of such behaviour, I highly recommend Aaron Beck’s masterful Prisoners of Hate.

THE BUNKER: Jon, we want to thank you for the amazing material you’ve shared with us over the last year. You let us know that you need to attend to other things and so we’ll only see your byline around here occasionally. We’re fortunate that you’ve been sending us stuff weekly, and you’ve really helped a lot of people get a better understanding of Scientology and Scientologists.

 
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More signs of Scientology collapse

Mike Rinder shared a stunning e-mail at his blog yesterday, and we wanted to make sure you saw it. Here’s proof not only of how tiny Scientology really is — that in the place supposedly with the greatest concentration of Scientologists in the world, Los Angeles, there are only 700 members at the two highest levels of advancement, OT 7 and OT 8 — but that almost all of those people are ignoring or deleting the e-mails they’re receiving from the church…

Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2014
From: Claire Taylor
Subject: It’s not okay to ignore or delete this comm

The number of OT VIIs and VIIIs confirmed for Mr. Rabey and Cal Cole’s OT Convention at 3:30 on Saturday is NOT representative of the 700+ people in this status here in LA. Matter of fact we have confirmed around 50 people.

It certainly isn’t a lack of comm going out about this. The majority of OT VIIs and VIIIs are on “ignore” or “delete” and not responding. Please decide not to be part of the group of non responders!

We all know how much Mr. Rabey has contributed to us getting on and /or through the level. He is asking for our support. Please! Communicate and confirm or explain why you can’t be there. Thanks to those who have replied!

If you can only stay from 3:30 to 5:30 then so be it. But PLEASE reply.

Claire Taylor

The tone of this e-mail is shocking, and along with so many other things we’ve seen, we are increasingly convinced that church leader David Miscavige has a serious emergency on his hands.

Scientology is on life support, and it’s only masked by the dog and pony shows Miscavige can put on with his vast cash reserves.

For more evidence of crashing stats, check out this account at Plain Old Thetan’s blog, Possibly Helpful Advice, of the anemic crowd size at the LRH Birthday event in Los Angeles last month.

 
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BareFacedNewRussell Miller is coming to America

We were happy to see our New York Post story about Russell Miller’s Bare-Faced Messiah coming back in print metastasize all over the place. The Daily Mail rewrote it, and then the Telegraph did too (but called Russell ‘Robert’), and then those stories appeared in a number of far-flung imitators. We’re glad the book got that kind of notice. And we remind you, if you haven’t seen our interview with Russell, give it a look. He’s a great raconteur.

And now, Russell tells us that he is, indeed, coming to take part in Flag Down, a five-day event in Clearwater, Florida that will feature some dynamite speakers, including BBC journalist John Sweeney and ex-Scientologist Nancy Many. (The organizers were good enough to invite us, but we can’t make it.)

Flag Down will take place from May 5 to 10, and you can help make it happen by checking out its Indiegogo page.

 
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Karen de la Carriere on Scientology’s pressure to sell

One of the best videos from Karen and J. Swift yet, featuring Jillian Schlesinger and Chris Shelton…

 

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on April 5, 2014 at 07:00

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  • Michael Leonard Tilse

    Great interview of Jillian from J. Swift and Karen.

    One thing that struck me is that book sales are merchandise and are not tax deductible for the “parishioner.”

    I wonder if (calling on our legal staff here) it could be that bookselling is not “religious practice” covered by the tax exemption but rather labor that has to be paid at minimum wage rates or better. Giving it away I could sort of consider a religious activity, but selling them? That’s commerce.

    Also, good to hear from a recent graduate that the code violations are still going on, still skirting or outright violating building safety and code requirements. I knew that they must be, because it is always on the cheap and “Knows Best.”

    Thanks to Jon. He tells it like it is and doesn’t soft-pedal the truth.

    • aegerprimo

      Yeah, the code violations piss me off. As Jillian stated in the video, “putting people’s safety at risk”, blue asbestos, fire safety violations… I am sure the list is long, and ubiquitous in Co$ “construction” projects.

  • Frodis73

    Another thing that hit me yesterday was Mike was really downplaying LRH’s love of money and expensive things. I guess I was hoping he was further “out” than he is as he seems to really be in denial about Ron.

    • flyonthewall

      I saw that too and was equally disappointed. At least he lets dissenting views in the comments though and he does post good docs.

      • Baby

        He blocked one of mine about the Way to Happiness book fly.. I talked derogatory about Hubs

        • Seannie5

          I don’t get it, how can he still hold LRH up as any sort of hero after seeing, hearing and EXPERIENCING everything that he has.

          • Baby

            Seannie.. I’m not under the impression that Rinder doesn’t see LRH as a hero.. as much as a flawed human who created blah, blah..

            but I obviously can’t speak for him.

            Others have surmised that he doesn’t want to bash Hubs too much because he would lose a lot of his audience that are on the fence..

            So I don’t know..All I know is ..Helicopter Tech was fabulous..

            • Seannie5

              True, hopefully he is trying to guide others out gently.
              Helicopter tech is the best tech!!

            • Baby

              I truly believe he has a purpose..and of course he is also decompressing .. I see him as being wounded. Very sensitive and vulnerable.

              Yes, Yes.. I am aware of the crimes both he and Marty committed, but this is where I have to reach for compassion.

              I have always said that it is NOT my duty to forgive anyone.. it is up to the people who they committed their crimes against…and/or a much higher supreme deity larger than me to do so.

              I know one thing that he Hates to be labeled..and hates people asking what he is.

            • And I don’t rent cars!

              “I truly believe he has a purpose..and of course he is also decompressing.. I see him as being wounded. Very sensitive and vulnerable.”

              Baby, this is my impression EXACTLY. And recently, he confirmed this (indirectly) in a most lovely email that he sent to me. It nearly had me in tears (again! 😉 because of what he said and how it was said. He came across as sensitive, compassionate, humble, and, by reading between the lines of his email, he is also hurting. His wicked sense of humor hides a lot of pain, I believe. It often does.

              I don’t know if anyone noticed but on his blog, from day one, he has had a long mission statement that explains where he stands. It ends with the following goals:

              “It is my intention to do everything I can to: Expose the abuses ongoing in the church, through this blog, other media, law enforcement and elected officials to bring the abuses to an end. Help provide information to anyone looking for the truth about the church. Provide a forum for the exchange of information.”

              Mike Rinder wrote that when he started his blog a little over a year ago. One has to give him credit for meeting those goals in a short period of time and, I’m sure, will continue to do so in the months and years to come. We may never know what else he has told various levels of law enforcement since he’s been out. We just now what has come out in his depositions in Monique Rathbun’s case, IIRC.

              Thought you might be interested in knowing this, Baby. Actually, I thought of you when I received it and wished I could call you up and read it to you to see what you thought and if your impression of the man who wrote it was similar to mine.

              Good night sweetie.

            • Baby

              Wow.. That gave me chills Cars. I am so sensitive ( to a fault sometimes..) and I find that sensitive people ( like you too) are sensitive to the needs of others.

              Thanks so much for sharing Cars. That made my night. xoxoxo Baby

        • flyonthewall

          That’s weird. Other people have posted negative comments about Hubbard. His greed and corruption mainly. Could just be so he could argue the point with them. maybe he just doesn’t like u 🙂

          • Baby

            ( My post from a week ago.. )

            Well, I went to Rinder’s last night.. ( Route Out or Road to Nowhere)
            and as you can see I copied and pasted my comment..It was waiting for
            moderation and didn’t get posted.

            I understand and respect Mike’s blog formant . I really do. Halfway House / decompression great.

            I also know that I will continue to lurk and not comment. I know too
            much from being over here .. I can NOT keep my big mouth shut.

            Scientology IS Hubbard. Period. I can NOT find one redeeming quality
            of that man or Cult. I can NOT hear him praised in anyway.. touting his
            tech… Way to Happiness was discussed with flowing words..

            See .. I just couldn’t keep my trap shut. I loathe Him. .. DM just carried on where Hubs left off..

            ……………………………………………………….
            Your comment is awaiting moderation.

            Poppa Corn.. Thank you ..As Mark stated I am already a being ..

            My problem with the ” The Way to Happiness..” It was written by a hypocrite who broke most of his 21 precepts ..

            Let’s start with #1 Take care of yourself. Hubbard did NOT take
            care of himself.. His teeth, his drug use, his weight, smoking etc.

            # 9 .. Don’t do anything illegal. OMG he ran from the law.. How
            about Operation Snow White? and many, many more facts that have come to
            light about this evil conman.

            # 11 Do not harm a person of good will.. How about children chained in a locker on the ship for starters.

            #10 Be worthy of Trust.. hahahahhaha He LIED about everything! Good God..

            Words.. Just Words… Written by a creepy science fiction guy who brainwashed loyal followers and stole their money. Period.

            He wanted to make $ so he invented a religion.

            • richelieu jr

              ^^^^
              This. GO Baby, go!

            • Baby

              Amen to all of it Rich.. 100% ; 0

  • Baby

    “I left Scientology, when I was asked to disconnect from a friend. I
    explained that I would never allow my communication to be directed by
    any outside source, and that I am perfectly capable of defending myself
    against any verbal communication, using reason alone. ” ~ Jon Atack

    …..

    Jon this speaks volumes about your moral character. Thank you for sharing your history, wisdom and insight with us.

    You come back and visit us anytime. You will always be welcome.

    • Jon Atack

      Thanks!

      • Baby

        The Bunker loves you Jon.. xo

  • scnethics

    Another amazing article from Jon Atack – thank you!
    And another amazing collection of news at the Bunker.

  • Baby

    You know what I’ve noticed in the past few weeks.. The trolls. I am not naive enough to not believe they may be among us, but the obvious ones aren’t as blatant.

    • SvenBoogie

      I haven’t really seen many examples of trolling here, but then again, I’m used to the comments section of another site where it’s allowed to pretty much run wild and unchecked…

      • Missionary Kid

        For a while, we’d have about one a day. Some were deluded Indies, like our friends from Greece and India, but also out and out trolls. They all have been absent for the last several weeks. Great.

        • Baby

          It is refreshing!

          • Missionary Kid

            Amen!

        • Observer

          Well, now you’ve jinxed us.

          • Missionary Kid

            Nope. No Troll was Jimmy3, punking us. Not a real troll. Baby finally caught on.

    • aegerprimo

      Last one I saw was Vinay about a month ago.
      ETA: maybe not a troll, but more like confused.

      • Disaffected

        Confused, definitely. And I believe he has traded his Scio arrogance for Eastern doctrine arrogance. (nothing wrong with eastern philosophy, I study it quite a lot these days) just the self-righteous attitude of Vinay makes me believe he has not quite grasped the eastern teachings yet.

    • Vaquera (TXCowgirl)

      I noticed the same thing, but kept silent for fear I’d jinx it. 🙂
      Hey, I’m spending this weekend just 15 minutes from Engleside by the Bay. I would have so gone there and filmed the Squirrel Busters were they still there terrorizing Monique and the community.

      • ShoopZ

        “Ingleside on the Bay” sounds a bit like “Hoboken on the Hudson” or “Pasadena on the Bayou” to me.

    • Science Doc

      Yes. I have noticed it too.

    • Missionary Kid

      Maybe we shouldn’t have mentioned it. It brought on a fake troll: Jimmy3, AKA No Troll. If I’d have paid more attention to your avatar, and blown it up, I would have known that the baby in the picture is smoking, and it would have made sense to me.

      • Jimmy3

        Did you know that smoking is the leading cause of death for babies that smoke? I didn’t, because I just mocked it up. But it does sound right.

        • Missionary Kid

          Sounds like you got your information from the lrh school of math and statistics.

          • Jimmy3

            I wish! Hundreds of millions apply there every year and they only select maybe 10.

            • Missionary Kid

              Sounds real exclusive, like the number of new American members they rope into Clamology every year. Hundreds of millions get The Way to Happiness pamphlets, but only a few actually are suckered in.

            • Jimmy3

              I read that once! I recommend it. In fact, I wouldn’t leave the bathroom with it.

            • Missionary Kid

              It doesn’t flush well, so you can’t use it as emergency TP. You’d have to take it with you to put in the round file or recycling bin.

            • richelieu jr

              Of course you couldn’t leave the bathroom with it– It had already served it’s purpose as a quick read, giggle and wipe.

              Leaving with it would be like having your cake and wiping with it too..

      • Baby

        That is funny Kid.. I thought everyone knew my baby was a smoker.. ha..

        It is actually a GIF .. and if I knew how to do a Gif I would show you..

        • Missionary Kid

          When I worked in alcoholism for a county agency, I got to know the people who also worked in drug rehab, and although that was 40 years ago, I came to believe that the most addictive drug then was nicotine. Good luck. It will be interesting to see what the research on vapor cigarettes is.

          • Baby

            Research has indicated 2 different conclusions. The one where medical experts are saying that it is totally harmless..

            and the Govt study that says it is not ( They aren’t getting the taxes..) xo

            • Missionary Kid

              There are some idiots who say it’s a path to smoking. For the most part, my very limited observation is that new smokers don’t vape, they use cigarettes. It’s the people who are addicted and can’t beat the addiction to nicotine who are the ones using it.

              I’m willing to bet that in 5 years, we’ll have smokeless marijuana.

              BTW, my b-i-l spent almost his entire career studying MS, so if there’s an article about MS from a reputable source, I send it to him. There’s strong evidence that cannabis can ameliorate some of the symptoms for some people. Smoking it is not recommended.

            • Baby

              I know… and yes they are idiots.. and yes new smokers smoke cig.

              You know I do it for of course the nicotine, but that said the patches, hypnotist, and gum didn’t work . I love the ritual of smoking. Holding it and having it with me.

              They already have vapor Marijuana. Yep they do. I am sorry about your B-i-l sigh

            • Missionary Kid

              My brother in law is more concerned about the effects of the burning products that make up the smoke and their effects on the lungs and a compromised autoimmune system. If cannabis helps the patients, he’s for it.

            • Baby

              My twin was offered MJ in pill form for her Brain cancer

            • Missionary Kid

              For some people, it enables them to eat, which otherwise, they wouldn’t be able to do, and it operates as a palliative in other ways.

            • Baby

              Yep.. but she didn’t take it because she said she wanted to smoke it in front of everyone to make them jealous not take a pill.. ha..

  • Michael Leonard Tilse

    I was looking at some information on hypnosis on Arnaldo Lerma’s site the other day. It was the “25 lessons in hypnosis.” Lermanet.com.

    I had been confused as to what the essence of hypnosis was. I had read much about it including George Estabrooks 1943 volume. All the techniques and description of what happens was there, but I had a hard time getting to what exactly hypnosis was.

    I had a realization that sums it up for me, though it might not be complete: You enter into hypnosis when you surrender any control of your mind, body, thoughts, ideals, goals or anything else personal to you.

    Hypnosis is the process of getting someone to surrender control. Acting like an authority is hypnotic because many people surrender their right to question that authority, they grant that authority without inspection and facts. Defining a word and demanding someone use that definition is hypnosis. It is the fact of surrendering control, not the willingness or unwillingness that is the tipping point.

    The hypnosis starts way earlier than supposed.

    • Jimmy3

      Do you see the bissit? Keep your eyes on the bissit. When I snap my fingers, you are a doggie and you will want the bissit.

    • SvenBoogie

      LRH was HUGE on hypnosis, and a lot of the nonsense in $ci is based on it, particularly the early stuff.

    • Jon Atack

      Hypnosis is a normal aspect of human thought. Hub renamed the hypnotic part the ‘reactive mind’, after spending years hypnotising people (his novel Triton boasts hypnosis as his principal hobby on the dust cover). If we can accommodate our hypnotic abilities, we can be much better people. But when we hand over control of our hypnotic abilities we are lost. I’m not sure which of the two books called 25 lessons in hypnosis Hub was referring to, but I can recommend Wolfe and Rosenthal’s Hypnotism Comes of Age, which Hub recommended and which shows where his own ideas came from (I did write about it in Blue Sky – Dianetics is a mix of techniques rejected by Freud, because they increased dependence on the therapist, and the work of psychiatrists Grinker and Spiegel during WWII). There is a rather awkward paper of mine called Never Believe a Hypnotist somewhere on the internet (I think Arnie has it, actually), which demonstrates conclusively Hub’s reliance upon hypnosis.

      And I agree, it is whether control has been surrendered, but often as not, we don’t even notice that we’ve surrendered – compliance is such a part of our society. As Oscar Wilde said, ‘Disobedience is Man’s original virtue’. The education system tends to ignore this – save for the critical thinking movement. In Scn, the initial surrender is simply the willingness to fill out an invasive 200 question ‘personality test’.

    • Jon Atack

      Hypnosis is a normal aspect of human thought. Hub renamed the hypnotic part the ‘reactive mind’, after spending years hypnotising people (his novel Triton boasts hypnosis as his principal hobby on the dust cover). If we can accommodate our hypnotic abilities, we can be much better people. But when we hand over control of our hypnotic abilities we are lost. I’m not sure which of the two books called 25 lessons in hypnosis Hub was referring to, but I can recommend Wolfe and Rosenthal’s Hypnotism Comes of Age, which Hub recommended and which shows where his own ideas came from (I did write about it in Blue Sky – Dianetics is a mix of techniques rejected by Freud, because they increased dependence on the therapist, and the work of psychiatrists Grinker and Spiegel during WWII). There is a rather awkward paper of mine called Never Believe a Hypnotist somewhere on the internet (I think Arnie has it, actually), which demonstrates conclusively Hub’s reliance upon hypnosis.

      And I agree, it is whether control has been surrendered, but often as not, we don’t even notice that we’ve surrendered – compliance is such a part of our society. As Oscar Wilde said, ‘Disobedience is Man’s original virtue’. The education system tends to ignore this – save for the critical thinking movement. In Scn, the initial surrender is simply the willingness to fill out an invasive 200 question ‘personality test’.

      • GalacticGreg

        Thank you for everything you’ve presented here in the Bunker. And for Piece of Blue Sky back when and the updated version. It is so crucial to the overall understanding of what $cientology Inc. opposition is up against, that *so many people* benefit from what you have to say. Hope to see you back here occasionally or see your writings somewhere else. You are a bright light and are deeply valued by way more people than you may imagine.

      • aquaclara

        Adding my sincere appreciation and thanks, too, Jon. I love your book, and have also shared it with others. I will be buying the new one soon, too. It is the definitive book that gets mentioned here often as a must-read, you’ll be happy to know.

        You’ve helped us understand so much. But most important, you’ve written something important that cannot be erased or denied. And it has reached people who are still in, and may be thinking about leaving. I love seeing that the libraries keep you stocked.

        Wishing you all the best,
        Aquaclara

  • media_lush
    • aegerprimo

      Funny as usual Lush. I don’t see Tom & Elizabeth as a couple even with all the media hype… but Scientology is always worse than you think.

  • No Troll

    You know what I’ve noticed in the past few weeks.. The smoking babies. I am not so intrusive as to be in anyone’s personal business, especially not babies, but I don’t think they should be smoking so blatantly.

    • Missionary Kid

      Huh?

      • Disaffected

        Huh? (x2) here too

        • Once_Born

          A reference to Baby’s avatar, perhaps?

          • Disaffected

            I guessed that too, but its just an avatar… and I cant quite understand what this person is trying to say…., that accounts for my “huh?”

            • Once_Born

              In that case, I second your, ‘huh?’

          • Baby

            Yep absolutely.. For some reason it bugs Trolls to death. Lifter /Jeffy always brought it up..

            • Disaffected

              Hahah, whatever annoys the trolls is a good thing as far as I am concerned.

            • Baby

              Amen Dis… I just show up and they are like.. ” What kind of person would have a baby Smoking?”

              Gee What kind of person would do that? I guess the kid of person that would tell you to Fuck Off..hahahha

            • Jo

              This is weird? 🙂

            • Baby

              Just a troll.. I am not responding to IT anymore..

            • Captain Howdy

              It’s not a troll. It’s one of us pulling your leg because of your comment about trolls.

            • Baby

              Copy That!

            • Captain Howdy

              If I was betting money on it, the odds on favorite would be Jimmy, followed by Mooser as an outside long shot.

            • Baby

              OK..That has got Jimmy’s MO all over it..Hahhaa You Got me!

              See I said I was gullible! Good One..

            • aegerprimo

              Had me fooled. The timing seemed so…. weird.

    • coonellie

      “…but I don’t think they should be smoking so blatantly.”

      You mean you think the babies should be smoking more surreptitiously?

      • Disaffected

        Lulz 😀

    • Baby

      He is baby Ronnie.. because you know smoking less cause cancer…NO Troll..

      So He started smoking Kools at a very young age.. This is hubs Baby Picture ..

    • Baby

      Plus the fact that I said in the past few weeks I haven’t noticed trolls.. So this is obviously a troll..

      • No Troll

        That is factually incorrect, smoking baby. You can see by my name that I am No Troll.

        • Baby

          This is true.. and you can see by my name that I am a baby.. Ya Got me There!

        • Once_Born

          Just being silly, then.
          Well, to each their own.

          • No Troll

            I was once born as well. Do not judge, we are alike.

            • Baby

              You are just trying to distract. You are a troll.. Shoo .. Shoo.. Ain’t nobody Got Time for This..

              We got a cult to bring down!

    • Baby

      JIMMMMMMMMMMY.. Howdy busted you.. You Win…hahhahahaha.. I am so damn easy it’s not funny!

      • Jimmy3

        He’s right. Just having a little fun with your earlier comment. 🙂 it was slow going, I didn’t think it was a big derail.

        • Baby

          No it wasn’t a derail at all.. hhahhaha Now if it was a troll it would have been ( No matter how slow) , but YOU? NEVER

          GOOD ONE.. I should have known.. ( but would never have guessed it in a million years and you could have soooooooooo easily strung me along..) hahah xoxox

          • Jimmy3

            I’ll need you to help me prank Howdy sometime soon, because he tattled on me.

            • Captain Howdy

              Go for it. I’m getting old and slow in my decrepitude.

            • Jimmy3

              Just stay young and spry long enough to allow me to plan at least one prank. Here is a hint: it won’t be tonight or tomorrow, and chances are good that by next week, I will have forgotten all about this.

            • Baby

              NOT ME! I am a woman.. We have loooooooooooooooooooong memories..

            • Missionary Kid
            • Baby

              OMG HIlarious.. I just showed my hubby and he is still laughing going.. ” Yep..Yep!” ha

            • Missionary Kid

              When my ex got mad, she would recite every “mistake” from the day we met. Gunnysack much? It’s a good part of why she’s my ex. I pity her present hubby.

              “Mistake” is defined as doing something she didn’t like.

            • Baby

              Oh We will get him good Jimmy.. One day we will sneak up on him! Yep.. he snitched and I would never have gotten it! Duh

  • Disaffected

    Thank you Jon! I regret to see you go. I do understand that you have to attend to other things, but I just wanted to share how many new angles and insights I have gotten from you. On many occasions you had the exact words to describe what was going on in my mind on various subjects. The insights you provided helped me organize my thoughts so much better. One thing that keeps resonating, is that mind control creeps in faster than one might think. And knowing first hand how far one can be dragged into it, I view many subjects (not just scientology) with a healthy doses of skepticism. I learned to appreciate once again how wonderful real science is. Not matter how tempting and rational something appears to be, it should never be taken on face-value. Thank you once more.

  • Sunny Sands

    There was a sign today that said “Locate Here” on a barricade in front of the scientology park next to the Ft. Harrison hotel. This is also in front of the crosswalk in the road which leads over to the SP building.

    Does anyone think this is a scientology message? I’ve heard use of the word “locational” in sci jargon.

    • Baby

      Sunny I love your pictures thank you.. This one makes me go hmmmmmmmm

    • Baby

      I wish there was there was a sign that says.. ” BLOW HERE! ”

      ( ps this didn’t mean oral sex shoopers.. Jeeze you guys..)

      • Sunny Sands

        Just off to the right of this pic is the Ft. Harrison parking garage, past (present?) home of the RPF. So it’s a good place for a “blow here” sign.

        • Baby

          I would love it Sunny..

    • Jo

      Thetan Assembly Point

    • Missionary Kid

      Sunny, do you know anything about the comment Seannie5 posted at http://tonyortega.org/2014/04/05/jon-atacks-final-weekly-column-for-us-on-scientology-and-its-a-doozy/#comment-1320680869 about the business owner who posted a sign that he’s not a scientologist? How’s he doing?

      • Sunny Sands

        No, I don’t know anything more about it.

        • Missionary Kid

          Thanks. I hope they’re doing well. If they do, it will encourage other businesses to do the same.

    • Her_Royal_Blondeness

      As much as I would love to speculate that it has some super secret Scientology meaning to it, in actuality it is a sign commonly used when utility companies are called out to mark where their gas lines, water pipes and electrical conduits run. It is required before you dig, so that you don’t accidentally hit something.

      • Sunny Sands

        They just put all those fancy pavers on the public sidewalk probably 6 months ago. If they are going to dig them up already, that’s pretty crazy.

        • Missionary Kid

          If you look to the left of the sawhorse, you’ll see a little flag on the ground, just to the left of the circle. I’m willing to bet that’s where there’s a water source for a watering system for the next pot being put in.

        • Her_Royal_Blondeness

          Pretty crazy is par for the course when it comes to Scientology!

  • Seannie5

    Do any of you live in Clearwater? Can you give us an update on this story and how it unfolded?

    http://possiblyhelpfuladvice.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/spa_not_scn.jpg

    • Baby

      NO but I am loving it!

      • Seannie5

        it was a late ’12 story so I am very curious to hear what happened next!

    • Captain Howdy

      I remember this guy, he’s awesome, and I’m happy to see his ballsy idea has caught on.

    • sugarplumfairy

      Yay!!! You go, guy! Howdy’s right, that’s a ballsy move and I hope it gets him more business..

    • Jimmy3

      What kind of spa is it? Is it a “Come get your hair did, there are no aliens in your lid” kind of a spa? Or is it more of a “you can purif all you wanna, but you won’t die in our sauna.” kind of a joint?

      I propose a caption contest to figure it out.

    • Eclipse-girl

      I hope all the people who go to the Flag Event, consider patronizing this business.
      I would

  • aegerprimo

    RED-X time! Thank you for helping to flag Scientology ads on Craigslist.

    https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-70#post-2441929

    If you have only a few minutes time on a Saturday night, go to this post on WWP to get the ads that have been posted only a couple of hours ago and flag them…

    https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-71#post-2442730
    .
    TY Mark for the graphic…

    • aegerprimo

      Get those pesky $cientology ads off Craigslist!

  • rickiraccoon

    That email from Claire Taylor is soooo telling. It’s worse than I thought…..geez!
    I just can’t imagine how much longer DM can hang on. Life support is right.

    • Captain Howdy

      He’s got at least a billion dollars, not counting his run fund, which is probably another billion, and he’s got at least a few thousand fanatic dead-enders and the ultimate cult compound at Gold. He’s got a ways to go.

      • rickiraccoon

        Really? A few thousand?

        • Captain Howdy

          Uh, a few thousand around the world who will follow him to the end.

          • rickiraccoon

            I can only hope that end is sooner rather than later.

            • Baby

              We all do ricki..

          • Baby

            Yep and they would take a Bullet for him. Rabid followers..

  • jeff

    Apparently, this is Kirstie Alley’s Organic Liason store in Los Feliz (image)

    • aegerprimo

      Ha ha. When was this pic taken?

      • jeff

        It was on a twitter post from a week ago. I didn’t take it, but it looks legit.

      • Baby

        100 #s ago

    • Missionary Kid

      I went to Google Earth street view, and the “Imagery Date” was March, 2011, and it had a sign that they would be opening soon in the window. The address is 1864 N. Vermont, Los Angeles.

      The website for it claimed that Kirstie had lost 100lbs “So far.” The store lasted about 3 years.

  • Frodis73

    ABC’s Nightline Prime is on right now and they are doing a story on the Church of Wells….cult! Just an fyi if anyone is interested…

    • Captain Howdy

      Church of Wells Fargo?

    • richelieu jr

      The ‘Church of Wells’ is hole-y!

      Heh-heh.. See what I did there? ‘HOLE-y’ You see? Brilliant, I crack myself up…

    • richelieu jr

      Actually thogh, the ‘Wells’ bit, and the story in the clip about getting tens of thoousands for the church in exchange for a cookie (which, relative to months o’ rice n’ beans’ must seem delightfully… non-constipating?), reminded me of the beginning of the worst Satr Trek moivie (i know, there’s a lot of competition, but Star Trek V, directed by The Shat himself (and he certainly did, metaphorically by making the film) is in a league of it’s own.

      Nonetheless, there is a scene at the beginning, that in it’s low-budget, pseudo-profundidty achieves a sort of Beckett-esque absurdity that is truly amazing and has stuck with me for much longer than other, better films I have seen since then..I will paraphrase from the French:

      EXT. Desert DAY
      The sunis beating down on the cracked mud of an endless desert where a man, holding a pathetic sort of rifle, stands in, or near, a smoking hole. We see the landscape is littered with these smoking, round holes in the parched earth.

      In the distance a figure on a camel (space camel?) shimmers into view in the pulsating heat. It’s face is covered in rags and protective goggles. As it approaches, the emaciated climbs from his hole and attempts to load and cock his rifle, pointing it shakily at the rider, who comes to a halt before him.

      Man
      Halt! Come no further.

      RIDER
      You would kill me, a man you do not know and who
      means you no harm, for a field full of empty holes?

      The man looks at him, imploring.

      MAN
      It is all I have.

      (Then the guy says ‘Give me your pain’, and grins like an idiot and, taking his hood off reveals POINTY EARS proving that this is a— VULCAN!?? But he’s smiling!?
      Oh my gods, that must mean that…
      …he’s a happy Vulcan?

      Who knows? He’s Spock’s half-brother! Who knew Spock had a half brother? Certainly not Spock up to this point int he series! Who cares? Let’s go camping!)

      This is the film where Spock actually makes a fart joke, for the love of Ron, but those first moments are really weird, with the Pinter pauses and spare, cheap-ass scenery…
      And that is the SeaOrg for me: Rice n’ Beans and a field full of empty smoking holes, but you’re ready to kill for them because it’s all you have…

      (Someone should do a shoop of SeaOrg workers with Depression-era sandwich boards saying ‘Will Raise Thousands for a Cookie’)

  • outraged

    Is this out already – Tom negotiating with Moss?

    “Tommy Girl wants to make fellow L. Ron Hubbard worshiper Elisabeth Moss the new Queen of Scientology by making her his fourth beard wife. Actually, Tommy is the Queen of Scientology, so she’d be the Second Queen of Scientology. Wait, John Travolta’s the Second Queen of Scientology, so she’d be the Third Queen of Scientology. And I have two words for Elisabeth Moss: Shelly Miscavige. I have another word for Elisabeth Moss: RUUUUUUUUUN!” from Dlisted. very funny blog.

    First appeared print edition of The Enquirer. yeah, welll….

    Then Celebitchy picked it up:

    http://www.celebitchy.com/358820/is_elisabeth_moss_being_targeted_as_tom_cruises_new_scientology_girlfriend/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

    • Missionary Kid

      It’s all BS, just like the bit about him dating Laura Prepon.

      • outraged

        I can’t imagine Moss would ever do this.

        • Missionary Kid

          She may still be a clam, but I don’t think she’s that brain dead.

          • outraged

            egg zach a lee

          • Captain Howdy

            From what I’ve read she’s barely into it and only defends it because of her family.

            • Missionary Kid

              I hope she can leave soon. Disconnection is one hell of a policy.

            • Eclipse-girl

              DIdn’t Tony O dig up her record. She is a little more than “barely into it”
              I do agree she is 2nd gen and she will not talk about it.

      • TDA1541A
  • media_lush

    just a pic of Lisa Marie Presley and her twin daughters [wonder if Katie not wanting Suri in the Sea Org/starting sec checks played a part in her decision to blow] http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2597648/Lisa-Marie-Presley-arrives-Japan-twin-daughters-Vivienne-Finley-wearing-cowboy-boots.html

    • Missionary Kid

      Are her other kids, Danielle and Benjamin in? If they are, that could be the reason she hasn’t come out and directly flamed Co$.

      • media_lush

        don’t know I’m afraid… outside of her tour dates she’s rarely on the net… apart from the last few days; the fact the pics show her kids (out side of a public even like a kids movie promo when it’s allowed by default) faces is telling as someone in her PR/management team must have given permission… (Kate Moss, Chris Martin etc do not; Jennifer Garner, Miranda Kerr etc do)

        • Missionary Kid

          Her first two kids, Danielle and Benjamin, were probably raised as $cions. According to Wikipedia, she had a silent birth with Benjamin. I have no real knowledge, but I got the sense that Priscilla is also somewhat disaffected, and she doesn’t want to be disconnected from her grandkids, so she’s flying under the radar. If the oldest are still in, they’re probably assigned the task to handle Lisa Marie and Priscilla.

          • outraged

            I am always speechless in the face of Scientology’s inhumane treatment of families. Forcing parents and children to dispense love on the run. To pick and choose who shall stay and who shall go. Who to love and who to push away. And then to deny the existence of this nightmare called Disconnection is unconscionable.

            • Missionary Kid

              The Hubster constructed a world view where it is a natural outgrowth. It is completely logical to the Kool-Aid drinkers. The Indies decry it, but it’s so completely enmeshed in the dna of $cientology because lrh decreed it, that they cannot bring themselves to realize that dm is simply extending the policies of lrh.

              To outsiders, it is, as your avatar suggests, an outrage, but if one is in the cult, it becomes logical, to protect the purity of thought.

            • outraged

              If the Hubster created a world where families being torn apart is a natural outgrowth then this is a dysfunctional society by definition.

              Mr. LRH begat by choice this narcissistic paranoid anti-anyone-who-does-not-believe policy. How can any part of Scientology survive save the tech?

              However, I have come to understand that the community created by the people here and all over the indie,ex,comm internet homes while they were IN Scientology is something to be treasured. It is the same as any love between families and friend. Shared experiences, good, bad and indifferent.

            • Missionary Kid

              What $cientology sets up is a system where everyone supposedly gets along well because they’re all $cientologists. Under that system, when someone deviates, they have lost sight of the goal of clearing the planet, and they are a negative influence, so they must be disconnected from.

              Scientology will claim that getting along in a family is natural — in $cientology, of course. It is the apostate person who is defective. Then it is a natural outgrowth to disconnect.

              I’m not saying that disconnection is a natural outgrowth per se, but that under their rules of “ethics” it only applies to people who are harmful to their system. (SPs)

              The whole system depends on indoctrination and hypnotism. Those who stay are rewarded, those who go are cast out.

              This is indeed a community of shared experiences and emotions: the revulwion at such an artificial world, whether one was in or out.

            • outraged

              How do they explain removing children from parents? What if a young child, 11-13 years of age, did not want to join or go to any events. Have parents actually abandoned children or do they always somehow assert parental control to force a child into the cult.

              I do understand about indoctrination and hypnotism. (see topic on Lifespring at ESMB)
              And it is easier to understand older adult children abandoning their parents but not at all easy to understand parents leaving kids, especially young kids. Does this ever happen? Are there parents who have left kids in their 20’s?

            • Missionary Kid

              The removal from parents was done with the parents’ consent. That’s how
              brainwashed the parents are. The parents believe that the children are
              learning everything they need from $cientology. Read Jenna Miscavige
              Hill’s book, as well as others on mind control. The parents are, indeed, they’re prisoners of belief.

              To me, the parents who decide that the school systems are too ungodly and choose to home school their kids are of the same type of mind. Belief blinds people.

              I can tell that you’re looking at things from the viewpoint of a total outsider.

              Go back and read how Derek Bloch’s family treated him when the cult ratted him out to them as being gay.

              It’s evil, but it’s the result of accepting a belief system with out question.

              While my parents loved us children, their mission was to be missionaries. While we were abroad, my siblings and I knew that we may have to leave my parents at any time if the political situation got bad. My sisters were sent to Hong Kong, to live at a boarding school when the Chinese Revolution took place. I was too young to go to a boarding school. My parents and I left the city we were in on the last plane out.

              While I first became an agnostic, I didn’t declare it to my parents, but they knew I no longer believed as they did. They didn’t disconnect or shun me in any way. That is a big difference. I’m now an atheist, but I understand my parents’ desire for service to Christianity.

            • outraged

              Their service to Christianity makes much more sense. Your parents were actually helping. What an amazing story. The last plane? omg.

              I did read Derek’s story. It was very painful for me to read. I am one of those vulnerable overly empathetic types and the unforgivable harm done to parents and children for no good reason is abominable. I have not had the courage to read Jenna’s book. Her story is still too upsetting for me to read.

              Maybe I am way off base here but I believe that Miscavige KNOWS that disconnection is ultimately doing harm to Scientology but he does not care. He is so vindictive and such a control freak the idea that anyone would leave is unacceptable.

            • Missionary Kid

              Mismanage doesn’t care what happens to people as long as he remains at the top. He’s an asshole. Your last sentence sums it up well.

            • richelieu jr

              And assholes at the top are a crime against nature. From whence the term ‘shit head’…

            • Missionary Kid

              AMEN!

  • SvenBoogie

    This just in, $cientology’s newest music sensation:

    The Cognitive Dissonants =P

    • Missionary Kid

      Known to their fans as CogDis.

      • SvenBoogie

        *fan

        =)

        • Missionary Kid

          Hey, I’m one. I like the name. CogDis! CogDis! CogDis! CogDis! COGDIS! COGDIS! COGDIS! COGDIS! COGDIS! COGDIS! COGDIS! COGDIS!

          Doubt is on base, Reason is on lead guitar, and Blow Now is on drums.

          • SvenBoogie

            DMizzle on vocals, since he spends most of his day screaming already anyway.

            • Missionary Kid

              The names of the other band members are all satires on the beliefs they oppose. Wasn’t their first album called Giant Shrimp?

        • richelieu jr

          You lookin’ at me? You lookin’ at me?

          Well then CogDis, you snooty bee-yatch!

    • aegerprimo

      Hope they don’t play off-key.

      • SvenBoogie

        Don’t you mean off-tone? huehuehue.

    • richelieu jr

      I saw them open for ‘Missing Purse-strings’ and ‘Save the Whale’

  • Jimmy3

    Here is a cool song from a cool music band that plays music
    I hopes you to have a good night and tomorrow maybe begin your day with a friendly voice
    http://youtube.com/watch?v=FFpZFnJ6ZT8

    • Captain Howdy

      I was waiting for the washing machines to simultaneously open at the end and spew wet laundry into the audience. That would have been cool.

      • Baby

        Howdy I keep forgetting to tell you. I figured out the reason I like Meatloaf after you said that about the yuppies enjoying his music.

        I’ve never been a yuppie..but I love Musical theater.. ( Wicked, Gypsy, Oklahoma etc..)

        and I remember Meat talkin about him trying to sell himself ( and Jim Steinman) to a producer and the guy told him that his songs reminded him of Ethyl Merman. ( haha)

        and of course Meatloaf had a hissy fit.. But that is exactly why I like him. It was the Ethyl Merman part I loved. So theatrical and over the top productions ( Paradise.. and Bat out of Hell..etc)

        • Jimmy3

          You is right Baby, I am no troll. Here is a cool song by a cool music man who sings music

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmPMMitJDYg

          • Baby

            YEAH Baby! You have no idea how I crank that song up in my car.. It just does something to me I can’t describe.

            When my twin died I played it over and over to drown out the thoughts in my head.

            • Captain Howdy

              You’re both going to hell like a rabid fruit bat.

            • Baby

              hahahahah.. Night Howdy.. You always make me laugh..

        • richelieu jr

          AVCLub has a section they call ‘HateSong’ where (semi-)famous musicians come in and are interviewed about the song they hate the most. Recently it was a guy I didn’t really know and he was trashing ‘Ballroom Blitz’ by Sweet, a song I enjoyed in my youth (I, too, grew up in the theatre, and love(d) musicals), but which now drives me absolutely to distraction.. He was explaining why he hated it, and he hit the nail right on the head:

          It is rock music for people who don’t like rock! It sounds like musical theatre kids ahving a go and going right over the top. The other exmple of this sort of ‘rock’ he cited was Meatloaf’ and I couldn’t agree more.

          Listen, I like theatrical rock, I do: I love The Who, Queen and even the Doors in the right mood… And Bowie is Bowie, amen…

          But the putting on of funny voices, and ridiculous over-the-top posturing wringing mini-operas out of getting to second base (Chuck Berry did it better) or people throwing food because they didn’t like the song and scaring the band has got to go… It is one step away from Mimery and walking against the wind– IN THE WRONG DIRECTION!

          At least Marcel Marceau had the sense to shut the fuck up, but of one thing you can be sure–

          Had he doffed his beret and let his hair down and sung, he would have sounded exactly like Meatloaf.

          • Baby

            Hahahahhaha Now that is hilarious..and Yep that is why I like Meat.. and Queen..Freddie the best..Man that man could Strut!

      • Eclipse-girl

        VERY OFF TOPIC
        You have been on mind.

        Our city / towm is in the midst of its annual film fest.
        I saw a film that I thought would appeal to you.

        R100
        (my review) A Japanese over the top film
        thriller / comedy
        Homage to A Clockwork Orange, Tarantino and Japanese B films

        It one that I think You and Observer would both enjoy.

        • Captain Howdy

          Sounds promising, I’ll check it out. You should check out the works of Takashi Miike, especially “Audition”. Asian horror and cult films from the 90’s and early 2000’s rule. They make everything else in that genre look normal.

          • Eclipse-girl

            Will do.

        • richelieu jr

          Be advised that Audition is pretty strong stuff for the uninitiated.

          • Eclipse-girl

            Yes, it is surprising. It is not a film for children
            After seeing 8 films in a short time period, that one still sticks out.

    • Baby

      A music band that plays music.. Gee Who knew?

      You going to bed? Night NOTROLL ..

    • Jon Hendry
  • Baby

    If you don’t like me..don’t read..

    OK.. I am officially sick. I was hungry for carbs and no chips, no pretzels, popcorn .. Nuthin..

    OOOOOh but I remembered I have an unopened container full of French fried Onions.. that you put on Green Beans at Thanksgiving..

    So one handful led to another and another and before I knew it.. The entire container was gone.. 24 servings
    ( 2 TBSP) a serving… and Now I am ready to puke.

    OK carry on..

    • That happens to me when I get near a bag of Funyun Rings…poof its gone… then the guilt.

      • Baby

        I don’t have guilt..hahaha I have a big old fashioned stomach ache.. sigh ; /

        • Baby …my guilt is from having a stomachache…”I’m like damn…I know I shoulda stopped at the halfway point. lol! But it is sure damn delish!

          • Baby

            hahahahaha,, You got it SPW

        • Missionary Kid

          I hope you’re better by tomorrow.

          I love cashew nuts, but I’ve found that if I eat more than a quarter cup, I’ll be on the can in a few hours with a small stomach ache. What I try to do is NEVER take the container with me and sit down. I pour some into a small cup, and take that with me.

          • Aslansown

            I try to do that too, but I know the can is in the other room calling my name — I have no self-control!

            • Baby

              You are better than me..I’ve NEVER tried.. We are talking about a woman who takes an entire pie to bed to watch TV with a fork!

            • Aslansown

              I know. Do you have Baker’s Square down there? Amazing, amazing pies. More than once I have bought an entire French silk pie and sat in bed and eaten it with a spoon. Talk about feeling sick.

            • Baby

              No Baker’s Square..

              Yep you and I were separated at birth!

            • Aslansown

              🙂 Yep! Of you like French Silk pies I suggest not eating the whole thing — I was sorry the next day. It’s very, very rich. But who cares at the time, right?

            • Baby

              I never get sorry the next day.. Just a carb hungover .. You are right though..At the time it goes down pretty good!

          • Baby

            OMG and Cashews are so rich too.. Small cup.. Never have..ha

          • Eclipse-girl

            My suggestion (and you do not have to follow it) is to try and eat a mix of nuts.
            My faves are Macademias.
            And yes I can just eat them one after another. They are also a very rich nut.
            A mix works well FOR ME because I like them all.

            A peanut is not a nut, it is a legume
            A cashew is not a nut, either. it is the seed of a fruit. It is the pit or stone of the fruit of a fruit tree

            • The mix if nuts are a good recommendation EC…however I find my hand passing them up to get to the bowl of Starbursts…shame on me lol

            • aquaclara

              I ate the Easter candy already….
              🙁

            • Sidney18511

              I have had a severe addiction to sunflower seeds for months now!

            • Eclipse-girl

              Those are not a bad food to snack on,

            • Missionary Kid

              Good suggestion.

        • Eclipse-girl

          I like Ginger ale for that. The ginger flavor (ideally real ginger) actually does help the stomach a bit.

          • Baby

            I don’t have any! Wah, wah, wah… I’m drinking water now.. sigh ..I thought Diet Coke acid would be too much.. ugh

            • Eclipse-girl

              DC will not help. It is the ginger , not the bubbles.

              As much as i am Dc drinker, we always have some diet GA because you never know when you will need it. And after too many DC , water or a diet GA is a relief front he caffeine

              When you feel better tomorrow, and get the diet GA. keep it in stock.
              I have to to do a sugar, carb withdrawl soon and am not looking forward to that.

            • Baby

              Thanks E .. I have low blood sugar and am always watching my carb, protein ratio and sometimes I blow it and feel like crap..

              Good luck with your withdrawl honey

            • Eclipse-girl

              I am trying to get the exercising down to a regular thing first. Then the food.

              I have been through the food withdrawal thing a few times (YES I AM AN ADDICT)
              I don’t like it, I have some tricks

              One thing at a time, right?

            • Baby

              I am a food addict too E. That has always been my drug of choice!

              One thing at a time is right sweetheart!

    • Aslansown

      Oh my gosh. I think we are twins separated at birth! It’s amazing the things I’ve eaten when I don’t have anything “normal” in the house!

      • Baby

        hahah and shit..Lion I gave up eating pie tonight and went home and ate that Rich Can of Onions..ugh..

        • Aslansown

          Haha! I was determined not to be the first one who mentioned pie!!! 🙂

          • Baby

            I had a choice of Pineapple, Apple Crunch, Mango ( yes Mango Pie) Sweet Potato and cherry and I came home to eat that shit! ugh

            • Aslansown

              Oh my gosh. The only thing I don’t think I’d eat is the pineapple one. As usual, it’s late and I should just go to bed, but I’m like Pavlov’s dog — you mention pie and now I can’t stop thinking about it. If I hadn’t already taken some sleeping meds I’d head on over to the nearest supermarket and get a pie. They’re nothing like bakery pies, but they’d do in a pinch!

            • Baby

              haha.. MY restaurant makes the absolute best pies.. The guy that used to make my pies left..and the new biker bar is known for their pies already! ( oops hate to rub it in dahlink)

            • Aslansown

              Wow! I’m sick of the weather around here — visiting you is looking better and better — don’t worry, I won’t stalk you. Actually, for good pie I would. 😉

            • Baby

              Well for good pie I would stalk anyone.. hahahhaha

            • Aslansown

              So I take it I have your permission to hunt you down for pie?

            • Baby

              Absolutely Lion!

            • Aslansown

              Cool! I better go to bed but I know what I’ll be dreaming about. ‘Night!

            • Baby

              xo sweet pie dreams..( Me too) and you know Jeff loves pie too..

            • Aslansown

              In Al Pacino voice – Just when I thought I was out, you pull me back in!!!

      • Baby

        Night all.. Just took an alka selzer..ugh

    • Captain Howdy
      • Baby

        That music was so eerie I think it made my stomach spin more.. I am a Bad Bad Baby..

        Bad to the Bone Baby!

        • Elar Aitch
          • Baby

            Yeah..that’s more like it Elar.. that Howdy gets too hip for me sometimes..ha.. But he would like this too..

            That’s so cute..( hahah I mean the guy) Thank you xo

          • richelieu jr

            Hey, it’s ‘Nulle Part Ailleurs’!

            Talk about ‘Bad, bad things’! I’ve played on that show!

    • richelieu jr

      I’ve eaten that stuff before, Baby.. only I put extra salt on top of it!

      • Baby

        I love it in Moderation.. UGH… I can’t even think about it! I put Extra Salt on everything.. That would have been good.. OMG I’m thinking about it again..Groannnnnn

  • Slow night at the Bunker! If you are lurking and wondering how you can help. Please Help us flag the Church of Scamatology Craigslist ads and tell all your friends to get in on it too! Just click the link below:

    https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-70#post-2442561

    • Sea Org members: Thank you AP for the Graphix

      • Eclipse-girl

        TY for all that you do.
        My weekend has been busy.

    • Aslansown

      Those Boston ones are all targeted to foreign, non-English speakers….dangerous.

      • Eclipse-girl

        Hence the need for counter ads.

        • Aslansown

          Exactly. I wonder if someone who know Russian or Chinese would do a counter ad.

        • Aslansown

          Actually I just saw one in Chinese — bravo to whoever did that!

    • Aslansown

      Been doing it for the last hour or so – have to go to bed. Some were already pulled down – yay!

      • Thank you!

        • GalacticGreg

          You must be very busy. Come back and comment when you get the chance. Miss you.

          • I am GG. I appreciate that. I’m working full time, and going to school full time to finish Bachelors. It’s the end of semester crunch, then straight on to summer school. I’m making up for lost time. Thank you for the kind words. ; ) hugs.

            • GalacticGreg

              good show, spWog!!
              Rock on!!!

              This circus will still be chuggin’ when your sched. runs back down to normal. No matter how long that takes !

              Good luck with everything!

  • My friend Jon Atack is right about most everything, but the fighting in Northern Ireland ended because after 9/11 happened, Ted Kennedy and other Boston Irish could no longer send money to the IRA and others. Since the captains there were making $3,000 a week, they gave up the fighting and found other “gainful” employment. That’s intelligence information from someone who would know who told me. Similarly, $cientology won’t end via anything but a cutoff of the money, which at this point means convincing the “whales” who keep the cult propped-up that their lives will be much better off elsewhere, and their bank accounts fatter. Thanks for all you’ve done, Jon, including getting me out when I read your book years ago. I have this feeling that every time Hubbard hears your name mentioned in hell, he screams a bit louder. (Humor me, I like the idea, at least until the cult is completely finished.)

    • Jimmy3

      It’s pretty damn easy to slander a dead man and cite your source as “someone who would know.” Well, it’s only easy to do so when you have no shame, I assume.

      • Espiando

        Remember, please, that Skip writes for the Morton Report, aka TMZ For People Over Sixty. He has as much journalistic credibility as Freedumb.

        • Jimmy3

          Well then, fuck him. I won’t begin to pretend that Ted Kennedy was a saint. As far as I know, he killed a young woman while he was driving drunk, so fuck him too. But to attribute to him the deaths of so many innocent people in a battle that goes back for centuries is downright stupid.

          • Espiando

            Yeah, you really have to blame King John for this shit. Then again, he was such an asshole that he triggered the birth of modern democracy.

            • Jimmy3

              I was only angry until I laughed.

            • richelieu jr

              I think that’s the name of a Shirley Maclaine book, isn’t it?

          • Captain Howdy

            Wait for it..he’s going to come back and tell us we’re all punk faggots because we don’t use our real names..then he’s going to drop some more names and bluster off.

            • Espiando

              Too bad that Skip doesn’t realize that in my case, “punk faggot” isn’t an insult, it’s a description.

            • GalacticGreg

              Skipper Pressman gets down on his knees and opens his mouth for any wealthy right-wing zealots who will fund his talentless life.

        • Captain Howdy

          From one cult to another. Is he a closet nazi fundie or a mormon these days?

      • Guest

        Jimmy let me get this perfectly “clear” (gack!)….So it’s OK that my name and many other people’s names are slandered,daily, by the phony, fraudulent business pretending to be a “church”, set up by L Ron Hubbard, and he having written “Black PR” and “Fair Game” (both which make it “ok” to slander anyone who is against Hubbard or his phony “church”)…but it’s not ok for we who are slandered daily to say anything about him, because he is not here? Am I “clear” on this? If not…fill me in, please. I DO KNOW. Ya wanna continue this route? Your BS about “no shame” has NOTHING to do with what was said, by Skip or Jon—-both of them had interesting points, I might add.
        My best and love to ALL 🙂 Tory/Magoo

        • DodoTheLaser

          Skip is not someone to attack, I agree Tory. Especially considering the fact that he’s working on his scientology memoir, that should be published this year.

          Skip’s political opinions and whatnot is irrelevant to me. No one is perfect.

          He’s a human being fighting a good fight and as long as his actions and insights he shares about scientology are true and beneficial to others, I will appreciate it.

          It’s easy to make fun of others weaknesses, but it’s also important to validate
          their contributions.

          Peace to all.

        • Sputnik

          ^^^ Stick, wrong end. Jimmy is defending the name of Ted Kennedy from Skip’s slander which suggested Kennedy was involved in channeling funds to the IRA. Its got nothing to do with you or the Hubtard. Take your miscast righteous indignation somewhere else. kthxbai.

          • Tory Christman

            Gotcha, Sputnik: I tried to delete it, as I said to Jimmy. It got re-posted by “Guest”. I’m not sure, as I said above, if that is some auto-re-post for deleted posts, or if a “Guest” re-posted it…but it was not me. As for my “miscast righteous indignation”…..Have a nice Sunday.

        • Jimmy3

          I’m sorry Tory, but your response has nothing to do with what was said. How did you mistake my defense of Ted Kennedy as a justification for fair gaming by Scientologists? That is quite a leap. And then you throw in Jon Atack, a man that I’ve only ever sung the praises of and held the utmost respect for. I wasn’t speaking of him at all in my response to Skip Press, so please don’t make it seem as though I was.

          As far as your name being slandered, I am terribly sorry that you have to endure that. I have only respect and admiration for you. I wouldn’t come to this blog if I was in support of fair gaming. I am against Scientology as much anyone else here, but I do object when people bring outside political issues into the discussion. For example, there are idiots that will lay blame for Scientology at the feet of President Obama (yes, that connection has been made) and I object every time I see anything like that. Every time Scientology is compared to the Third Reich or North Korea, I cringe. Because what does one have to do with the other? As much as you may want it to, not every evil in this world fits into a neat little box.

          So, considering that, what purpose do you think mentioning Ted Kennedy and the Troubles served? How was that important to what Jon Atack wrote? To me, I took it as a cheap way to rile people up. And it only worked on one poor sucker.

          • Tory Christman

            I know…I re-read it, Jimmy,and deleted my comment within minutes, yesterday, as you can see. It’s re-posted by “Guest” ..not by me. I’m not sure if there is some automatic re-posting if deleted, but my intention was to delete that comment, for the very reasons you mention.

            Thank you for your understanding about my name (and others) being slandered.

            Anyways…back to Jon Attack: He kicked ass LONG before most of us were around, certainly as critics of $cientology. He, and a few others, stood out, all alone, willing to risk their lives back then, to tell the truth. I will ALWAYS thank Jon Attack, Bent Corydon, Gerry Armstrong, Jesse Prince,and those that had the courage back then, with no Internet to share stories with, just the underground railway with each other.

            Blessings to ALL who have stood up against this insidious, creepy organization: $cientology and thank you ALL here at the Bunker, certainly Tony O for giving us this platform to discuss this subject together.
            HAPPY SUNDAY ONE AND ALL 🙂 Tory/Magoo

            • Jimmy3

              I re-read it a few times afterwards and it became much “clear”er how anyone could have read it as a defense of LRH. So I think was just a small misunderstanding. I’m sorry if my reply sounded harsh, because like I said I’m a big fan of yours.

              About deleting comments, you can’t do that here. “Delete” just removes your name from it, and it will remain as though a “Guest” posted it. If you really want to remove a comment, you can edit it to delete all the text and replace it with a couple spaces or with a period and then click delete. It will still show up with “Guest” authorship, but you will have removed what it said.

            • Jon Atack

              Thanks, Tory. We should all be grateful to you for your remarkable work, too.

        • Jimmy3

          And the difference between slandering Ted Kennedy and calling out Hubbard on his bullshit is the great number of sources to corroborate the information. Most of what is said about LRH is not slander because it is true, and it is so very well documented. It’s not only attributed to “someone who would know.”

    • coonellie

      Having lived in Eire, with the IRA mafia strong-arming us for “protection” I learned first hand that money from the U.S. funded much of the extortion and crime that the so-called Provisional IRA engaged in. Having done my O levels in Eire, meaning I did Irish history, I can safely say that the American bastards that funded these terrorists have no clue (or if they do, shame on them).

      I personally knew a Boston Irish-American who contributed funds to the IRA…Along with her friends and family. She refused to visit me and stay at my home in Eire. It must be very comfortable for Americans to pontificate about Eire and the source of funding for the IRA.

    • Scream Nevermore

      What happened in NI was a bit more complicated than that.

    • Robert Eckert

      The Good Friday Accords were negotiated under the Clinton Administration.

    • ScientolOhGee

      Espiando

      Jimmy3

      a month ago

      Remember, please, that Skip writes for the Morton Report, aka TMZ For
      People Over Sixty. He has as much journalistic credibility as
      Freedumb.

      • Jimmy Threetimes

        GalacticGreg to Captain Howdy

        Skipper Pressman gets down on his knees and opens his mouth for any wealthy right-wing zealots who will fund his talentless life.

  • Lady Squash

    Love, love, love the video supporting the Flag Down conference. God, I wish I could go.

  • My name is Larry Lester

    Thanks Jon. You forgot to mention the Ginger Pig (Hubbard) was obese! WTF.. What was all that stuff about keeping your possessions in good condition? I think one little ginger piggie had a wee bit to much protein…

    • richelieu jr

      MMmmmmnnn… GInger Pig…!

  • DodoTheLaser

    Great video from Karen and friends!

    Pretty funny, in the insane way, that they would get rewarded by a cookie for the sales of Basics.
    At least in my org it was Starbucks coffee.

    • richelieu jr

      When I did telemarketing for PBS (in the KCET Building , which has fallen into the hands of the Scilons!) we used to get 1 Dollar bonuses for Credit Cards, 1 Dollar for the first sale of the day, and 5 dollars for the first credit card!

      I once saw tow women knock the holy hell out of each other because they were both trying to cheat the same way at the same time (people would get a credit-card order the day before and stick it away so they could pretend to get it first thing in the morning and pocket that hefty FOUR DOLLAR profit!

      It was ridiculous (but full of vivid characters, some of whom ares till my close friends 20-odd years later)…

  • 0tessa

    That is a good one: the real reactive mind is Scientology itself, in casu: Hubbard himself.
    Clearing the planet means clearing Scientology away.

  • valshifter

    The masters of communication are not getting responses from the OT7’s or 8, what? that does not sound like a SUCCESS THRU COMUNICATION, that email sounds desperate, and makes me happy that the OAT meals aren’t even giving a shit about the scam anymore.

  • valshifter

    “Scientology is on life support, with his vast cash reserves” well I just hope the money runs out, it has to one of this days, with so many law suit and the maintenance of empty orgs. that would be the only thing that can kill scientology, NO MONEY LEFT to keep the crazy machine running. then they will start selling the real state,

    • GalacticGreg

      no money left is never going to happen in your lifetime or mine for $cientology Inc. They will go down by other means, legal, governmental action, like that. Money on hand is awesome amounts.

  • chukicita

    Respectfully, Mr. Atack – Grace Steele Woodward is an authority on Cherokee history and mythology like L. Ron Hubbard is an authority on anything. Her 1982 book is firmly ensconced in dominant culture and as such misses and misinterprets a great deal of Tsalagi history and culture.
    Excuse me but indigenous people in the Americas were ‘civilized’ long before the mid-1800s *when 4,000 Cherokee died on the Trail of Tears* and didn’t just suddenly give up war and start farming. The people had *been* farming for thousands of years already! White folks who arrived here from patriarchal, feudal systems didn’t readily understand Cherokee political traditions that involved both women and separate people dealing with internal and external issues. I’m surprised at how many white folks *to this day* superimpose the one-leader, Big Chief model on ALL tribes, like that was how the people ruled themselves.
    I understand your story based on this inspiration is a fiction, but please don’t perpetuate these myths as fact.
    In my experience there is nothing inherently superior about having a written language – unless you were raised to see it that way. It does not make a culture better or worse than an oral culture but it does make things a lot different. Many times I think this is exactly why you only see white folks in Scientology. They’re the only ones so written-language obsessed that they would put up with a thought-stopping process like ‘word clearing.’

    • Jim Ford

      Elizabeth Warren, who also goes by her Indian name, “Lies on Race Box,” is in big heap-um trouble. The earnest, reform-minded liberal, lied about being part-Cherokee to get a job at Harvard.Obama is doubling down on the lie trend claiming he’s also part Cherokee (without proof, of course)

      • chukicita

        It is entirely possible that both of them are part Cherokee. Indigenous Americans are the only sovereign people who have their citizenry determined by another sovereign nation. The US-issued Indian card is not my be-all to determine Cherokee relatives. Genealogy before the Dawes rolls can be very challenging. There are many folks who have Indian ancestors but so long ago that their families are distant from tribal life. I wouldn’t go so far as to say she lied, because you don’t know, either.

  • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

    Hubbard’s overwhelming lineup of crap, Jon you have done a great job looking back on it and summarizing it!

    I don’t think this much past and present Scientology history has been laid out in one place like is done on this blog.

    From John McMasters pleading with Hubbard not to implement disconnection, to Jillian (ex Sea Org) telling of the cookies Sea Org members are rewarded if they meet their book/CDs package sales quotas, this blog is amazing in its coverage.

    Never been a blog like this in Scientology’s history.

    I hope Fire officials in LA take the time to interview Jillian soon! She’s only been out 4 months or so!

    Jillian’s mention of Ed Parkin, I remember Ed, he bunked in the PAC RPF’s male dorm that I shared when I was on the PAC RPF, he slept in the bunk above me when I first arrived at the PAC RPF.

    Chuck Beatty
    ex Sea Org 1975-2003
    866-XSEAORG

  • Sibs

    Just realized that I never left a comment yesterday, even though I meant to.

    Thank you, Jon! You have been so articulate in dissecting why the cult has the power it does over its victims and how faulty the tech is. I’m really going to miss your articles each week, although I understand if you have personal stuff to deal with. You’ve left us with a year’s worth of great material to ponder so we can’t be too mad if you have to go.

    Also, your book is awesome.

  • OrangySky

    Brava, Karen!

  • grayzip

    I’m not the only one to observe this, but Alchoholics Anonymous is in some ways Scientology’s cuddly cousin, sorta like how bunny rabbits and rats are wildly different in disposition and threat level but finally both rodents. If nothing else, there are endless parallels: Both thought up by one guy with no actual scientific methodology; both insist adherents remain for life; both encourage members cut off contact with old bad influences; both use their own vocabulary, with derogatory terms for outsiders (“wog,” “dry drunk;”) both pair members up with minders; both insist that all blame for any failure rests with the individual and not the methodology… then there’s recruitment efforts and smug superiority, a very low percentage of “success stories,” it just doesn’t stop. Yet both actually work for a small percentage of people who are willing to take gargantuan leaps of faith and ignore information dissonant with their organization’s dogma. Again, the glaring huge difference: Alchoholics Anonymous is at heart a well-meaning outfit genuinely trying to help people, whereas Scientology is out to enrich itself, period. But neither is much interested in self-reflection or scientific or medical progress, so both seem in the final analysis fairly useless. Still, the bunny rabbit is MUCH cuter

  • richelieu jr

    “I left Scientology because of Disconnection and Fair Game. I thought
    that the indies wanted a Scientology without the taint of such
    practices. I call this persistent enactment of Hubthink post-Scientology
    syndrome. Those implanted with Hubbard’s beliefs cannot help
    themselves. The implanted suggestions act below consciousness, like
    obsessive compulsive disorder (or like the hypnotic victim in Dianetics: MSMH,
    who removes his jacket when the hypnotists touches his tie, but
    justifies the act by claiming the temperature has risen). I have managed
    to help many people remedy this condition, but it is invisible to those
    suffering from it, so they never, never, never ask for help. Instead,
    they will tell you that they are in great shape (often as not taking
    another drag on the cigarette they just can’t quit). Such is the nature
    of denial.”

    This, folks, is at the base of my suspicion of all the ‘Independnet Scientologists” (an oxymoron if there ever was one) today, with or without Marty… At the core of the movement is the deep need to rehabilitate Hubbard and his ideas, as well as a deep denial that anything to do with him (or at least anything intrinsic to his ideas) is part of the problem. IF they succeed, then the beast comes back to life, fair game, dead agenting, rip-offs and all. What is more, they would need to be trusted not to take over a billion-dollar organization were it ever to be decapitated and the tiny fuhrer sent scuttling back under the fridge. Why wouldn’t they (or he, or a ‘Scientology Warrior’) take up the reins (or the ‘reign’) and prove Hubard irght? Wh

    • Missionary Kid

      Hubthink is flat out delusion.