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Kim Poff fired by Oklahoma agency after stories (including ours) described Scientology dispute

Kim Poff

Kim Poff

Now it can be told: Just days after we reported, along with local Oklahoma media, that Kim Poff had filed suit against the state’s Department of Mental Health and Substance Abuses Services (ODMHSAS), she was fired by another Oklahoma state agency, the Department of Human Services.

Her attorney, Rachel Bussett, tells us she believes those events are directly connected.

“On August 18, you and News 9 reported her lawsuit. And then on the 19th of August, the story was reported by the Daily Oklahoman and the Tulsa World,” Bussett told us by telephone yesterday. “It’s our understanding that Kim’s file was pulled the next day, on the 20th, and she was fired on the 22nd.”

Poff filed a grievance over her firing, and after it was rejected, this week she filed a complaint with the federal Equal Employment Opportunity Commission.

You remember Kim Poff. She was the Inspector General of ODMHSAS who headed up an investigation of Scientology’s flagship drug rehab facility, Narconon Arrowhead, which is in the eastern part of the state, on Lake Eufala.

In the summer of 2012, Poff and her investigator, Michael DeLong, looked into three recent deaths at the facility — deaths which sparked multiple government probes and numerous civil lawsuits. As a result of their investigation, Poff and DeLong found that Narconon Arrowhead was in violation of state law, and they recommended that it be shut down. But they allege that their bosses were so afraid of taking on the Church of Scientology, they pretended that the study wasn’t finished, and simply shelved it. When Poff and DeLong complained, they were both sacked in August 2013. They’ve each filed lawsuits against the Mental Health department over their firings.

By the time we reported on her lawsuit in August, Poff had been working in her new job at the Department of Human Services for almost four months. But just days after our story came out about her suing the state, she was cut loose.

Bussett says that Poff was accused of lying on her job application, and not divulging the real reasons why she had left her job at the Mental Health department.

But Bussett points out that not only did the Department of Human Services do a thorough background check on Poff, on April 18 News 9 did a story about Poff and DeLong losing their jobs, reporting that it was related to their Narconon investigation. (At that time they had filed a complaint with the EEOC.)

That story came out 13 days before Kim Poff started her new job with the Department of Human Services.

“The department was fully aware what was happening when they hired her for the position on May 1,” Bussett says.

So now, Poff has submitted another EEOC complaint in anticipation that she’ll probably end up filing another lawsuit, this one against the Department of Human Services. In the meantime, she’s still looking for work.

“She is looking for employment and having difficulty finding work because the state of Oklahoma was her career,” Bussett says. “She was fired for doing the right thing and trying to protect the people of Oklahoma, the people she was hired to protect.”

Poff and DeLong began looking into Narconon Arrowhead in July 2012 after three patients — Gabriel Graves, Hillary Holten, and Stacy Murphy — died there over only a nine month period. Their families are suing the facility with the help of former federal prosecutor Gary Richardson.

In September, Richardson persuaded the court that his clients should get access to the investigative report about Narconon Arrowhead prepared by Poff and DeLong that the state allegedly suppressed. The report was turned over to Richardson under seal (see the update, below).

We reported previously that Narconon Arrowhead itself is suffering badly after two years of controversy, and Scientology leader David Miscavige has announced new facilities — all but one outside of the United States — suggesting that Miscavige is shifting away from the existing network of rehabs in this country, which continue to be hit with dozens of lawsuits for deceptive practices.

 
UPDATE: Gary Richardson tells us that although Judge Jim D. Bland made his decision back in September that Richardson should receive a redacted copy of the state investigation of Narconon Arrowhead, it was only today that the two sides in the matter came to an agreement about the terms of Judge Bland’s order. Richardson says he expects to receive a copy of the investigation in about a week, and that it will be for “lawyers’ eyes only.”

 
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Remembering L. Ron Hubbard on Veterans Day

“My experience with Australia goes back to being the only anti-aircraft battery in Australia in ’41-’42… I was up in Brisbane. There was me and a Thompson submachine gun…I think that was all that was there.” (Interview granted to the Australian Press by L. Ron Hubbard on Jan. 10, 1963 at Saint Hill Manor, East Grinstead, England.)

Hubbard had to be referring to Mt. Coot-tha, a small peak south of Brisbane. Coot-tha (‘place of honey” in Aborigine) commands a panoramic view of the Brisbane River valley, north to the city and the Tasman Sea. It’s a park now; you can go to the visitors’ center, enjoy the spectacular view, and read how, during WW II, the site “bristled with searchlights and gun emplacements” manned by the Royal Australian Air Force, and that the U.S. Navy had a large ammunition depot on the lower slope at a spot called J. C. Slaughter Falls.

Apparently Hubbard’s blindness had already struck, since these hundreds of personnel were invisible to him. The Navy alone had approximately 175 men camped at the depot. The guns, by the way, would have been bristling since 1939 when Australia went to war. They must have been so camouflaged he didn’t notice them.

These men were not there to smash their names into history, but just to “get the job done”; (an old Navy phrase I heard all my life, which some other outfit keeps using for some odd reason) watching for the enemy and loading the ships; helping to push the war north, island by bloody island, with no expectation of any glory but the remembrance their nations owe them to this day.

Of the many lies Hubbard told, this seems a small one; but stealing the honor due to those who really did get the job done is, in my eyes, one of his greater crimes.

There was another Navy lieutenant on the mountain — later, in ’43-’44; one R.L. Keeting of Boston, in command of the depot. A career man who exemplified the hardheaded, no-nonsense attitude of the wartime Navy. Slightly built but wiry, one-time lightweight champion of the Pacific fleet, he possessed a peculiar immunity to glamor and charisma; and had a short fuse with what he called ‘chiselers.’ Though Keeting and Hubbard had been in the same places — Brisbane, San Diego, Puget Sound — their paths don’t seem to have crossed. Which was perhaps just as well; one too many shore stories, and Keeting would have called him a damned liar and cleaned his plow.

Every time I see the Sea Org fake uniforms and stolen phrases and especially the fake dress swords, I could choke on bile.

Keeting’s sword — the genuine article — hangs in an old farmhouse, his grave lies in a small country cemetery. He’s remembered only by those who loved him. But he served his country with distinction and consequently helped to save the world. No mean legacy.

— Deborah Keeting-Hansen
a/k/a Cicely Neville

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on November 11, 2014 at 07:00

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  • DodoTheLaser
    • Graham

      Number 38 needs highlighting/removing as it’s not Scieno. It’s the National Stuttering Association.

      • DodoTheLaser

        I don’t make these lists. Good catch. I am sure Pierrot will take care of it. Thank you.

      • Robert Eckert

        The Nanananational Stu… Stutt…

      • Robert Eckert

        #14 is a group of tutors that apparently includes our old friend JJ but we haven’t seen him spamming for Scientology for a while and it doesn’t look like his recent efforts to make a living need to be flagged.

        #113 Cute healthy puppy

        • DodoTheLaser

          “#113 Cute healthy puppy”

          It sure is, or so it seems. WTF?
          Who wanted to Red X the puppy ad?
          I want to know now!

          • Robert Eckert

            #180 Bomb Squad Baseball also

            • DodoTheLaser

              Nope. That’s Sacramento’s scilons. Flagged.

            • Robert Eckert

              Ah, good thing I flagged it in a hurry then.

            • Pierrot

              Thanks for telling us, I did not know that!

    • Eileen

      #285 DVDs for sale: Toronto. I don’t see a scio link, seems to be legit. Other than CA and Tampa the ads are paltry. We are winning the battle.

  • Elar Aitch

    Re: Kim Poff…..this is just an incredible side story to the whole Scientology/Narconon mess.

    How the hell do other media outlets NOT cover this?

    Here we see have the slimy underbelly, the forces that have to conspire in order for the evil that Scientology perpetrates to go unnoticed and unpunished. In this case it’s a complicit (safe-pointed) and frightened public service that’s running interference.

    This is not good men doing nothing, However those involved (departrment heads etc) can justify their actions to themselves, they are providing aid and support to criminal enterprise.

    And once again, the strong and the brave have to fight and suffer to get the truth out. To Ms Poff and Ms Bussett, all the best and thank you for your courage and integrity.

  • Jimmy3

    liars

  • Elar Aitch

    Lest We Forget.

    Thank you Deborah/Cicely

    • Robert Eckert

      I remember Cicely from days of yore. Glad she’s still in touch.

  • NOLAGirl

    Seriously Oklahoma???????

    AGGGHHHHHHHHHH!!!

    I better just go drop off the boy and go work out before I comment. I have nothing to add but four-letter words right now anyway. Kim Poff, I am SO sorry for what you’re going through all in the name of trying to help.

    I won’t even acknowledge Flubtard on Veterans Day.

  • Andrew Robertson

    It’s ironic that Kim Poff gets sacked for telling the truth, yet Ron MΓΌnchhausen’s vainglorious lies took so many years to be exposed. Chris Owen’s excellent account of Ron’s real military career is well worth reading:

    http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Cowen/warhero/contents.htm

    Andrew

  • HillieOnTheBeach

    Funny how Hubbard seemed to always be at the right place and the right time to singlehandedly save the world.

    Presumptuous, disrespectful ass.

    • Elendira

      All of Ron’s biography reads as “First _____” or the “Only ______ Ever.” He just went through life filling in the blanks. Youngest Eagle Scout. Only person to serve in all five theaters of war. Only person ever to make head way with mental science. Etc. Etc. Etc. What a small small small man.

      • i-Betty

        He just went through life filling in the blanks.

        Perfect.

  • Rocket J. Squirrel

    “He’s remembered only by those who loved him. But he served his country
    with distinction and consequently helped to save the world.”

    R.L. Keeting …the anti-Hubbard.

  • Elar Aitch

    Oklahoma Dept of Human Services
    HR Director
    Diane Haser-Bennett
    Phone: (405) 521-3613
    Fax: (405) 521-6902
    PO Box 25352
    Oklahoma City, OK 73125-0352

    • Stacy

      Thank you. I don’t know if an email from a Florida resident will mail any difference, but perhaps if they get many…

      Shouldn’t protection of whistleblowers apply here?

      • i-Betty

        Stacy, it ALL makes a difference. Don’t underestimate the power of group action. There will be many Bunkerites emailing today, I believe. Your voice is important πŸ™‚

        • Stacy

          Grass roots movements are one of my firmest commitments.

          • i-Betty

            Me, too. And it works πŸ™‚

      • Elar Aitch

        Snail mail is probably more effective than email

        • Lynn Fountain Campbell

          I agree. My emails bounced.

    • i-Betty

      Just for info, I posted these details at SPs and it appears that one of the numbers might be incorrect. Thank you so much for posting the contact info here, Elar. It means that those of us who are overseas are able to fire off some emails, too πŸ™‚

      I just tried to call that # for Elar Aitch, but got a voice mail system, heard a message saying that the person at that # does not subscribe to this service? Got the main # for Oklahoma Dept of Human Services from information, 405-644-5700, but they are closed today for Veteran’s Day. Thank you for providing the information Andrea, I will attempt to call again tomorrow.

    • Lynn Fountain Campbell

      I just emailed them both, and both emails bounced back, undeliverable. πŸ™

  • ze moo

    After 32 years in the New York State bureaucracy {often an Idiocracy}, I can relate to Ms. Poffs experiences. No, I was never fired or disciplined in any way, {if you keep your thoughts to yourself, who is going to know what you’re thinking?} but I have seen ‘disciplinary’ actions too much like Ms. Poffs.

    The first rule of any bureaucracy is cover your ass {secondary, cover the politicians and agencies ass}, and Poffs tried to protect the citizens of Ok. As the Oklahoma state government is doing the work of CO$, her only alternative is the courts. I hope she gets a very large settlement.

    Brisbane and Darwin Australia suffered numerous Japanese air and submarine raids in WW2. Hundreds of Aussie diggers and civilians were killed. Lroon was never in harms way. He is a great example of ‘stolen valor’, and that is the only time the word ‘valor’ will ever be applied to Lroon. Lroon was sent away from Australia in disgrace, he wasn’t worth the food it took to keep him there.

  • Dr_Orpheus

    So even though Australia had been at war for more than two years at the time of Pearl Harbor, there wasn’t a single anti-aircraft battery on the entire continent when Hubbard the Hero arrived to save their bacon?!!!!! I don’t know how they would have survived without him to show them what to do. I’m amazed Anzac veterans weren’t outraged when he told that whopper about their military competence.

    • Richard Grant

      They were pretty outraged a few weeks ago when Scientology appropriated the term ANZAC for some kind of fundraising mailer. That episode drew some media attention down under, and may as I recall have been reported here by Tony.

      • Robert Eckert

        Yes, Tony was on top of it.

        • And Bryan Seymour, but I didn’t see much else. Scientology seems to have been allowed to walk after giving one of those apologies that they give when they have to, but don’t seem to think they did anything wrong.

          • i-Betty

            But the people will remember.

      • Eclipse-girl

        They may have to pay fines. An apology (which was issued) just doesn’t cut it.
        It was a major offense to many people

    • Unex Skcus

      Given that he still had a set of rotting teeth in his mouth, I’m reasonably sure he never said that to an Aussie’s face.

      • i-Betty

        Ha!

  • DodoTheLaser

    Kim Poff should consider contacting FBI. This is not right.

  • Panopea Abrupta

    What a beautiful tribute to your ancestor, Cicely and a magnificent riposte to Hubbard’s lies and bloviations about his war record.
    Stolen valour is a crime now in the USA.
    The medals on Sea Org chests are as real as the medals Hubbard claimed.
    It is nice to see his plough get cleaned metaphorically.

  • ze moo

    In not all related news, the Presidential Medal of Freedom was awarded today to Meryl Streep {what the ??} and Stevie Wonder, among others.

    http://www.cnn.com/2014/11/11/politics/obama-medal-of-freedom/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

    • Tony Ortega

      It’s a civilian honor often given to artists.

      • ze moo

        If Tom Cruise ever gets one, does he get to say, ‘no thanks, I already have one’?

        • joan nieman

          I think his scio one is the only thing that matters to him.

    • Jimmy3

      Stevie Wonder, huh? I did not see that coming. But I’ll bet he did. #steviecansee

      • i-Betty

        I needed that chuckle today!

  • Just Dee

    I hope karma swings Ms. Poffs way. She put her integrity & welfare of others, instead of money. I sure hope a company sees the value in this woman & everything she has done to try to help others.

  • Observer

    As someone with multiple generations of Marines in my family, including a sibling who served in Iraq, here is my sincere Veteran’s Day tribute to Ron.

    *refresh*

    • I could believe that it took a captain, a couple of commanders, and 15 junior officers to clean up the mess that Hubbard filled his shoes with before being bounced back to the states.

    • Sherbet

      I’m not sure I ever saw the “direct line to the Secretary of the Navy” boast. That’s a knee-slapper, Obs.

      • Observer

        I’m only surprised it was someone as lowly as the Secretary of the Navy and not the President himself.

        • Sherbet

          Ha! Well, if he called Eleanor’s private line, she’d have patched him through to FDR toute suite.

          • Observer

            I prefer the mental image of Eleanor eviscerating him with a few words.

            • Sherbet

              Wouldn’t that have been delicious!

      • Why sure! There’s one CoS account that after Hubbard was wounded in Australia or the Philippines or somewhere, he was flown back stateside in one of the Secretary of the Navy’s own airplanes. The site Scientology’s Myths continues to defend that cool story.

        • Sherbet

          The BS gives me a whopping ice cream headache.

    • I knew two people who were in the hospital with Elwrong at Oak Knoll when he supposedly cured himself of blindness blah blah. They didn’t know each other. They both told me he was a complete hypochondriac and a bigmouth pain in the ass that no one liked. The jerk was born lying.

      • Baby

        Wait, Wait Skip.. Hubbard was the youngest Eagle Scout! Scouts don’t lie!

        • Maybe he was, but I’ll bet he lied about his steenkin badges.

          • Baby

            He was a big old liar, liar pants on fire with steenkin breath!

          • Eclipse-girl

            My father is an Eagle scout. My Brother was an Eagle scout. My husband is an Eagle scout.
            Most Eagle scout do have integrity.

            I doubt Ron’s story, too.

            • Sitkajo

              oh sure your dad, brother and father were eagle scouts! But were they ever officially inducted into the Blackfoot Indian tribe by a real shaman???

            • Eclipse-girl

              No, Silly

              My father was inducted into the tribe of Seneca Indians.

              That is a lie. but it sounded funny to me.
              Father grew up in rural central NY state, and My siblings and I grew up in Upstate NY.

              Mr E grew up in north / central WI.

    • Baby

      Absolutely fabulous Obs.. Both my parents were Marines. I’m looking at them right now in their wedding picture dressed in their dress blues.. My twin served in the army. She joined at 30. She was too old for the Marines..

    • Bradley Greenwood

      I appreciate the nice infographic πŸ™‚

  • Alanzo

    “Of the many lies Hubbard told, this seems a small one; but stealing the
    honor due to those who really did get the job done is, in my eyes, one
    of his greater crimes.”

    In my eyes, too.

    Well written piece, Cicely.

    Alanzo

    • Robert Eckert

      Good to see you!

      • Alanzo

        Thanks, Robert!

        I’ve been busy.

        Alanzo

    • Baby

      Spread the Word Bird!

      Love ya Alanzo xo baby

  • Alanzo

    I hope Kim gets a HUGE pay day from her lawsuits and Scientology loses one of its most effective fair game tools against those who would expose their criminal activities – getting people fired.

    They got me fired. And they’ve gotten many people fired who were only telling the truth about them.

    Karma’s a bitch David and I am so glad that I stuck around this long to see you get yours.

    Alanzo

    • aquaclara

      Sorry to hear about your story, too, Alanzo. And ditto x47 to the rest of your comments.
      It’s good seeing you here today.

  • Anonymous

    Florida Attorney General Pam Bondi is once again in the N Y Times in an article entitled: “Link Shows How Lobby Firm Cultivates Influence.” From that article:

    “Attorney General Pam Bondi of Florida, after taking a free ride on a chartered jet last year to a resort island far from her home state, made an unusual offer to one of the corporate lawyers from Washington who helped foot the bill: an invitation to stay at her Tampa home while recuperating from surgery.”

    The full story is here: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/10/us/link-shows-how-lobby-firm-cultivates-influence.html?_r=0

    Readers of the Underground Bunker probably remember that in late June of this year Tony Ortega broke the story of a private fundraiser for Ms. Bondi held at the home of prominent Scientologists Michael and Liz Baybak in Clearwater, FL: http://tonyortega.org/2014/06/29/scientology-sunday-funnies-the-nancy-cartwright-freak-out-edition/.

    It would appear that Ms. Bondi is well regarded by those who already have (or may hope to avoid having) problems that might be addressed by the Florida Attorney General’s Office.

    As an aside, there is an interesting mention of an Scientology related topic on the Florida AG’s website where this assertion appears:

    “Attorney General Pam Bondi is dedicated to making Florida a zero-tolerance state for human trafficking. In addition to working with the Florida Legislature to pass tough new laws against human trafficking, Attorney General Bondi has brought Florida’s business community together in the fight against human trafficking.”

    • Sibs

      Should add “Buuuuuut if you are a human trafficker and you have millions of dollars to part with…”

      • Anonymous

        Lobbying of legislative bodies is one thing, as that is where laws are usually created. However the lobbying of officials that are critical to the enforcement of those laws is a disturbing practice. It is not new to Ms. Bondi or to Florida, but the practice does illustrate how politics frequently plays a large role in how the law is applied / enforced.

    • Stacy

      This makes me so angry. Yes, let’s just ignore the confiscation of Sea Org passports (among other criminal acts). No, that’s not human trafficking…

      Grrr!

      • Anonymous

        The level of deception employed by Scientology leadership to create the illusion that the church is a benign, humanitarian organization is immense.

        And the irony of keeping their own “volunteer” Sea Org members entrapped behind a fence with inward facing spikes like the below at their So Cal Gold Base is also quite astonishing…

        • Stacy

          But it’s to protect them from bears…

          • Sherbet

            Keep those bears INSIDE the complex, at all costs! If they get out, the world’s pic-a-nic baskets won’t be safe from their marauding!

            • Stacy

              But Yogi…

            • Sherbet

              Drop the e meter, Boo Boo, and boost me up over the fence. These people are nuts.

            • i-Betty

              πŸ˜›

          • Elendira

            Bears…. that are INSIDE THE COMPOUND ALREADY!!!! RUN!!!!!!

          • Anonymous

            Scientology leadership has hired an authority to look into the matter…

      • beauty for ashes

        i hate it when you have that dread of someone being elected for the wrong reasons.
        and then they get elected.
        and then they prove you right.
        we should protest pam bondi and dress up like her!
        “you didn’t elect a pageant queen, you elected an attorney general!”

        • Stacy

          I like the thought of protesting her position. The beauty queen appearance obviously comes from a publicist. I wonder if she can write off payments for the services of a publicist? That’s not what I want my tax dollars to pay for.

    • hatetomcruise

      I am so disappointed she is still in office. I didn’t vote for her, and encouraged my friends and family not to either.

      • Anonymous

        The pattern of conviviality between those who enforce the laws and those to whom the laws apply is disturbing.That pattern seems to cross all political lines, as required by expediency.

        • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

          Granted, there is high ARC between the two parties. And given the state of high ARC, there would be blue chip exchange. To this point, if you were a powerful lobbyist helping us, you too could stay at our house while recuperating from a foot injury. We would also tend to your every need while brainwashing auditing you on the engram of the injury.

          • Anonymous

            Well that should work out just perfectly. I was so excited about your offer that I tripped rushing to the phone to call you…and guess what…I sprained my foot!

            I’ll bring the wheelbarrow of cash…please prepare the appropriate linens.

            And by the way…I prefer Perrier with my orange juice.

            And tell that chump Davey come over and shine my shoes while I’m resting.

      • Eclipse-girl

        I was reading some comments on the Daily Kos. It appears that Ms Bondi is a possible hopeful for the Governor in four years (one of many). Rick Scott can not run again,

        • hatetomcruise

          Oh no, let’s hope that doesn’t happen yikes!

    • And all you idiots that vote, you’re the ones responsible for this.

      • Robert Eckert

        The idiots who didn’t vote are the ones who could have stopped this.

        • Baby

          Fuckin Amen Robert.. Good God that is absolutely ridiculous.. Jebus H.. Christmas

  • Still_On_Your_Side

    I wonder at the brains of the agency bureaucrat who fired Kim Poff days after the media covered her lawsuit. In fact, I wonder at the brainless actions of the Oklahoma officials in suppressing the investigative report on Narconon. They were so worried, allegedly, about being entangled with lawsuits involving Scientology, they not only allowed more people to be harmed by Narconon, they have caused multiple lawsuits to be filed against the state. Lawsuits that, ironically, entangle the State of Oklahoma with Scientology.

    • “Hmm. We have an employee that we know is suing another department for wrongful dismissal because it’s been reported in the news. So when it gets more coverage in the news months later, let’s wrongfully dismiss her!”

      Yeah, that’ll end well.

    • pronoia

      It is Oahoma God o ly knows what other employer and environmental abuse are being filed. Kim’s standing up to government corruption is not something Oklahoma I would like to encourage. Whatever happens with Kim’s lawsuits, they ha d made their point. Anyone else. O template g becoming a whistleblower will ha e to contend with. So g. Lack Alex.

    • joan nieman

      It shows the cowardly side of some humans quite well.

    • Bradley Greenwood

      “Brains”? “Bureaucrat”?

    • I wonder at the brainless actions of the Oklahoma officials in suppressing the investigative report…

      Envelopes full of crime syndicate money is my guess.

  • Juicer77

    Our US flag is flying proudly on the front porch.

  • Captain Howdy

    As the son of a decorated Veteran all I can say to the church of scientology is see you in hell and we won’t be taking any prisoners.

    • aquaclara

      Psst. Hey, Caps, you’re gonna be tossing the fire balls down to hell. From a little loftier spot.

    • Golden Age of Blech

      Ditto. My grandfather was a sailor in the South Pacific as well. Almost died but the torpedo that hit his ship was a dud. He went on to be a police officer for 35 yrs. Those fake uniforms the $ci-Borgs wear are just another reason for me to despise them. Ron was so full of shit it makes me wonder why no one ever called him out on his bullshit spewing. Some one needed to take him out back and give him a beating he would never forget.

      • hatetomcruise

        I wonder what ship your grandfather was on. My step dad was also on a ship in the South Pacific that was hit by a torpedo that was a dud; however, it did severe damage to the ship and he was badly wounded. He is still with us thankfully, and I’ll be seeing him next month.

        • Golden Age of Blech

          I would have to ask my Mom what the name of his ship was. I remember him telling the story of having to go below decks to help weld the hull after the torpedo pierced the hull. The whole time waiting for the delayed explosion that never came.

      • i-Betty

        What an incredible man. Thank you πŸ™‚

    • Sherbet

      “And then I did this all by myself, and then I did that all by myself…” Did no one ever laugh in lrh’s face? Even if somebody I admire reels off such obvious BS, I’d do the eye roll and mumble, Um, yeah, right.

      • Captain Howdy

        I don’t know, Sherb. It makes you wonder how many other historical figures were shucking & jiving.

        • Sherbet

          I just read an autobiography by a big Hollywood star of the 1940s. You’d think he processed the film, hand-built the sets, rewrote the scripts, taught Orson Welles how to direct, sewed his own costumes…you get the idea. But the movies are all about fakery and ego, so the lies are obvious. lrh should have been ashamed of himself, but, of course, he wasn’t.

    • i-Betty

      Thank you, Mr Howdy, Snr. We remember.

  • Truthiwant

    This is mostly off topic, but it is a reminder of Veterans Day, or Remembrance Day as it is known in Great Britain. A few tears were spilled this morning as I copied it down.

    My grandfather was a soldier during the First World War. Below is a scan of the original message that he took down on the morning of the 11th November 1918. When my grandfather gave me this wonderful document he also wrote me a letter which describes what happened…

    “I was a signaller and my job was to attend to the field telephones which connected the Battery Headquarters with the guns which were up in front. The telephone lines were always being broken by shells and it was quite a job going out to repair them.

    The war came to an end on 11th November 1918 and as it happened I was at the telephone when the message telling us that the war was over came through. I am sending you the original message which I received on the morning of 11th November (you will see I took the message down at 09.45). We made a copy of it and took it to the officer in charge of the Battery. But the message I enclose was the original one just as it was written in a little farm near the famous war town of Mons. I think it is worth keeping.”

    Here is what is written on the message:

    “Hostilities will cease 1100 today 11 Nov and troops will stand fast on line reached which will be reported to DHQ and Defensive precautions will be maintained and there will be no intercourse of any description with the enemy.”

    • Juicer77

      SO wonderful to see the actual document. Thanks for sharing!

      • Truthiwant

        It’s a pleasure!

    • i-Betty

      Special remembrances to your dear, brave grandfather today, Truth. What a remarkable piece of history.

      • Truthiwant

        I loved him dearly. He was a 20 year old when he took down that message!

        • i-Betty

          A very young man, not much more than a boy, but he served his country like a man and lived to pass his memories down to his grandson. And now you a part of his story as you share it with us.

        • Draco

          So happy for you that he survived and you got to know him. Very special document, that.

    • Stacy

      That’s an incredible historic document. You must be very proud of your grandfather.

      Veterans Day is a day for me is a day to remember my father, who was in the Air Force in the 1950s. He never saw action anywhere as he built and worked on jet engines. He was deployed in Japan and the Pacific. No noteworthy feats of heroism on his part, but he was so, so proud of having served his country.

      • TheQueenofBulgravia

        HEROS don’t need “noteworthy feats”….

        • joan nieman

          Well said.

    • shasha40

      So cool, story and document . Thanks for sharing .

    • Baby

      What a fabulous keepsake Truth.. You Grandfather was a special man.. Such a treasured piece..

      • Truthiwant

        If you look at the document carefully you notice that on the top left, ‘Urgent Prio’ has been written. Talk about an under-statement!
        Also, my grandfather sometimes forgot to cross his t’s! They look like L”s!
        He also misspelled intercourse as intecourse!
        This document is quite rare.
        You have to imagine, however, that the front line in 1918 went all the way from Calais, on the English Channel, to the border with Switzerland. A total of about 450 miles. There were many signalllers taking down messages along this line on 11 November, so my grandfather’s message was not the only one. However, few originals have survived to this day. The British War Museum in London has an original, just like the one written by my grandfather.

        • Baby

          Oh I read that.. I didn’t put 2-2 together.. Absolutely amazing..

          That is a cool story Truth.. I am absolutely in awe!

        • Deeana

          That uncrossed “t” was a different kind of “t” from the one we use today. I don’t know what the style of cursive was called, but they used that “t” only at the end of a word. In addition they used a different capital “F” than we use today in cursive. Both of my parents used these odd configurations, so I guess it just depends on where you went to primary school back then.

          I’ve encountered these peculiarities many times when examining older documents. That is a lovely document. I’d frame it and hang it.

    • Baby

      Truth… Our honored military is never off topic here.

      We are not only free because we aren’t in Scientology,

      but because of those who fought to keep US free..Thank you for sharing.

    • texasborn

      Wonderful. Just wonderful. My father was in the Navy during the Sino-Japanese War in the 1930’s. He was giving the Navy Cross for action in China. He threw threw a grenade over the fort wall and saved several sailors. He threw it overboard on the way home, saying he wasn’t a hero; he thought it was a rock. During WWII, he joined the Army Air Corps (he never called it the Air Force), and flew 35 missions over Germany. Like so many veterans, he didn’t talk about his service to his family. We sort of had to listen in when he was talking to other vets. My brother fought in Viet Nam. He was awarded the Bronze Star with valor and 2 oak clusters. Very, very proud of both of them.

    • Still_On_Your_Side

      That is an incredible document. So much history, and so many lives, are embodied in that note. My grandfather was a boy soldier in the British military during WWI. He would never discuss it. My uncles informed me, however, that he drove a truck during the war, and then never drove again. The military records for London WWI soldiers were destroyed by bombing during WWII, so I cannot retrieve his records. One more reason your note is so very prescious.

    • Georget1952

      Wow, that is a great historical document. Thank you for sharing it with us πŸ™‚ My father is a Navy man and his father before him. My son is also Navy, he went right out of high school and has made it his career. He is actually deployed right now, I am so proud to be his mom. I am proud of all the men and women who serve this country. As well as those who served.

      • aquaclara

        Wishing your son the very best, Georget1952. And pass on a thank you to him for his service. I will keep him in my prayers.

  • Juicer77

    Update: Baltimore Life Improvement Center seems to be gearing up… New logo as of Nov. 5 and note the lovely comment on their FB page — see below. Check it out — all about the Stats!! https://www.facebook.com/pages/Baltimore-Life-Improvement-Center/1482451372000887 Who really cares if they have problems or if we help anyone? We just want their personal info and browsing trail. * retches *

    “Tony Turrisi Yes, your link works. But if use the link I made with the additional ?id=facebook, then if someone clicks it and submits the test, we will know HOW they arrived at the test site. The “id” facebook is sent with the answers. This is useful for marketing and stats.”

    • Juicer77

      one commenter looks fishy to me… let’s just say her page looks designed with fill-ins that are aimed at the reader (i.e. locations etc. and stuff randomly pulled from the ‘net that pertain to that area)

    • Mark Foster

      I knew Tony and his wife(who workd for OSA at FCDC) and worked with his son Sam, who immediately disconnected from me when told him, via email, that I was looking at Β¨apostateΒ¨ web sites after blowing staff…

      • Juicer77

        Do you think this is a remote setup then? These people are not really in the Baltimore area I think. More “upstat” online presence with no real physical presence?

        • Mark Foster

          I donΒ΄t know. ItΒ΄s possible. IΒ΄m not in that area anymore…

    • noseinabk

      Love how the already in Scions are pretending to be interest in the Oxford test. Also 8 people will be going to this course yet it has no likes on the FB page.

      “Do you wish you could be more productive, effective and organized ?Win ” The Game of Life “. In just 2 1/2 hours you will gain a working knowledge of the eight fundamental principles that improve all areas of life. Cattonsville Library Nov 23 rd 130 pm till 4 pm.
      Call 1800-641-7811to hold your spot. Pre registration early bird special $59

      Funny, the library regulations.

      “There will be no collection of admission fees, sales of products or services, nor other direct fund raising activities.
      The Library does reserve the right to allow admission charges and/or the sale of products by any entity presenting a program sponsored by or in cooperation with the Library.

      Approaching library users for the purpose of encouraging participation in the group’s activities is prohibited”

      • Juicer77

        Great info – one correction – it is Catonsville. Hmmm…. road trip?

        • noseinabk

          I was thinking of calling the library and asking for some info on the use of the space to do courses that charge a fee. Hate that they are all doing everything they can to not mention scientology. Also disappointed to see this since I thought they were gone.
          -Applied Scholastics Academy of Maryland.

  • DodoTheLaser

    Both of my Russian Grand fathers were involved in WWII. One was a pilot and died in 1952 from the war-related injuries. My Dad was only two years old when he lost his father. I’ve never met either of my Grandpa’s.

    My elementary/middle school mentor was one of the “Night Witches”. I had no idea who she was at the time.
    She was very nice. That’s all I remember. Her caring smile and a snow-white hair.

    These are real people who fought in real war. And never bragged about it.

    Hubbard pretended to be part of it all and humble brugged about his fake stories.
    Ron, The War Hero he was not. He looked good in that navy uniform though.

    • Juicer77

      Please share more about the Night Witches – this is new to me!

      • Observer

        Me too!

      • villagedianne
        • Mark Foster

          wow!!!! thanks!

        • Ardent

          I share Mark’s WOW! Talk about having steely nerves!

        • Verve

          I’ve heard about the before, but I never knew how hard core they were. That is beyond impressive.

      • Totally Tone 1.1

        I met a couple. By that time they were just babushkas more likely to give you tea and cakes than to gun you down. However, if they trusted you enough, they would share some of their stories. These women had nerves of steel and frightened the crap out of the Germans.

      • DodoTheLaser

        Ironically, my Internet buddy Jacopo della Quercia, knows more about it than me:

        “The Germans came to refer to the women pilots as “Night Witches,”
        because the relatively silent aircraft attacked under cover of darkness,
        and presumably “Night Bitches” didn’t have the same ring to it.

        The Witches were instrumental to the war effort during the Battle of Caucasus by basically annoying the Germans into retreat, swooping in silently at night, and bombing their front lines. Even when they were shot down, the wooden planes crashed so delicately that the pilots often survived to scurry back and get on another biplane.”

        Read more: http://www.cracked.com/article_20628_the-6-greatest-twist-endings-in-history-battle.html#ixzz3IlisWpaU

        • Draco

          First time I have heard of them. Amazing story.

        • Stacy

          These women are amazing!

          Thanks for letting us know about a group who hasn’t received near enough attention. And a salute to your grandfathers, Dodo.

          • DodoTheLaser

            Thank you, Stacy.

            • Stacy

              You’re welcome. It really is a day to remember and salute all those who have fought for (and died for) what they believed in.

              The link you supplied to cracked.com led to spending a few hours today reading about some very interesting war heroes. I enjoyed that, though I should’ve been grading. Oh well. ☺️Thanks for the link to story on the Night Witches and the carved Civil War cannons. It was fascinating.

        • Robert Eckert

          I heard they called their planes “sewing machines” because of the sound of the feeble engines.

          • DodoTheLaser

            I wouldn’t be surprised. Also, I learn something from you every time. Thanks Robert!

        • arcinva

          What Wikipedia pointed out that it so hilariously amazing is that those planes were so old technologically by WWII, that their top speed was slower than the stall speed of the German planes so the Germans had a hell of a time trying to shoot them down. Sometimes, low tech can beat high tech. πŸ™‚

      • kemist

        http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_Witches

        That’s so cool. I wonder why we don’t hear more about these unusual stories.

        • Missionary Kid

          The main reason is that they flew for Soviet Russia. The fact that they were women probably also led to the minimization of their accomplishments here in the West.

          • Sergeant Pepper

            I have read extensively about WW2 since the third grade (this fascination turned me into a lifelong reader) and the Russian contribution is not accurately represented in most US history books, particularly those written during the cold war. Later works have acknowledged the extraordinary sacrifices of the Soviet states in the defeat of Nazi Germany. I believe Stephen Ambrose claimed 9 of 10 German casualties were inflicted by the Russians. I salute your ancestors Dodo!!

            • Missionary Kid

              Just like many of the casualties on the Soviet side were caused by Stalin, the high number of German casualties was also due to Hitler.

              Of course, Hitler caused the whole war, but his casualties would have been far smaller if he hadn’t insisted on his troops fighting to the last man. 9 out of 10 of the soldiers who surrendered to the Soviets later in the war never made it back.

      • Missionary Kid

        The Night Witches were indeed brave pilots, flying outmoded aircraft http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_Witches

    • Totally Tone 1.1

      Th Night Witches were totally hardcore for being able to fly those flimsy gliders in and generally kick ass.

      • DodoTheLaser

        Yes.

    • Captain Howdy

      No one fought harder then those who fought at the Russian Front. I salute your ancestors!.

      • DodoTheLaser

        What you said is so true – It brings tears to my eyes.
        I salute your ancestors for helping mine out so very much!

        • Captain Howdy

          The most vicious war in the history of man was the war between the Germans and Russians. Nothing really even compares.

          • DodoTheLaser
            • Captain Howdy

              When i hear idiots in America brag about how they saved Europe from Hitler I laugh because at least 75% was the Soviet Union.

            • Missionary Kid

              Unfortunately, the Russian casualties were far higher than necessary because of Stalin.

            • DodoTheLaser

              Yes, but the allies probably made it so much easier. I salute them all!

          • Sergeant Pepper

            Perhaps not in scale, but in ferocity and the conviction that their opponents were subhuman, the Pacific theatre of WW2 parallels the eastern campaign.

          • ze moo

            The Soviets lost 20 million, military and civilian dead in WW2. The US lost 180k in the European Theater. The Red Army took out 80% of Wehrmacht.

            • arcinva

              Sadly, a lot of those losses were civilian and the direct result of Stalin’s policies. I’m not taking away from the Russian military contribution; WWII could not have been won without it. But those 20 million were not all bravely battling the Nazis. Stalin was a despicable human being. His countrymen deserved so much better.

      • i-Betty

        Hear, hear.

        • Baby

          Betty you are losing your touch..

          HUR HUR

          • i-Betty

            I love how you can make me laugh out loud even when I’m feeling weepy!

            • Baby

              Really? I usually have the opposite effect..

              I make people cry when I am laughing at them.

              Now I’m losing MY touch!

    • Missionary Kid

      A slow plane can turn inside of a plane with a higher speed and shoot it down if only guns or unguided rockets are used. The way that a faster plane uses to level the playing field is to bounce the slower plane and keep going. If they turn with it, they’ll lose.

      • joan nieman

        Oh that is so interesting Mk. There is a lot involved with the Principals of Flight.

        • Missionary Kid

          An SR-71 requires something like 500 miles to turn around at Mach 3+ A plane that can fly at 40 mph, can have a turn radius in a couple of hundred feet.

          The limitation on the SR-71 is the number of Gs the pilot and plane can withstand. The limitation on a slow plane is usually the stall speed.

          • John P.

            Interestingly, I had a chance to have dinner with a former “Sled” pilot a few years back. The issue in G forces for the pilots was an engine unstart at speed, where even slight turbulence at 80,000+ feet of altitude disrupted the airflow into the engine and caused the engines working in high-bypass ramjet mode to go out. This is like a compressor face stall that occasionally affects other jet aircraft, typically fighters in unusual flight attitudes like flat spins. Usually, the SR-71 unstarts happened so quickly that the first indication that there was an engine problem was the pilot’s head being slammed against one side of the cockpit canopy from the effects of the asymmetric thrust. Fortunately, of course, the crew were always in full space suits with fairly robust helmets.

            The biggest issue in pulling G’s in an SR-71 is the airframe itself. Apparently, one of the nine that were destroyed in accidents (none were ever shot down by enemy fire, though the Soviets apparently tried mightily) was put into a too-steep climb on takeoff, and the strain on the airframe pulled so many rivets loose that an inspection revealed that re-drilling and repairing all of the damaged rivets could not guarantee bringing the airframe back to full strength.

            • Missionary Kid

              I’ve heard retired General Pat Halloran give a talk at Oshkosh about flying along in the SR-71 over an unnamed country and looking in the small rear view mirror and seeing the SAMs going off behind him.

              I knew Pat for at least a year as the former president of EAA Chapter One in Riverside, (and we usually talked about homebuilt airplanes or restoration of classic airplanes) before someone mentioned he was retired Air Force. Someone else mentioned that he was a retired two star, and finally I discovered that he spent all most all of his career flying U-2s and SR-71s. I was watching the History Channel years later when I discovered that he was a Wing Commander for the SR-71.

              There is a video of him talking about flying those spy planes. The U-2, especially the early one, is supposedly one of the most difficult planes to fly, and especially to land. If you’ve got a cross-wind, you can’t lower the upwind wing into the wind, because the tandem landing gear will bicycle the plane into the wind and take it off the runway.

              To see where they were in reference to the ground at altitude, the U-2 pilots had a periscope, because otherwise they couldn’t see any terrain under them.

              Considering that he has the right to walk around with a swagger, he is one of the most modest pilots I know. I think he’s the kind of guy who would tell his men that their next mission would be to hell and ask for volunteers, and everyone would volunteer. I’ve found that the best pilots usually don’t brag. They don’t have to.

              Since Pat is how I learned to address him when I met him, I continued to call him that when I’ve seen him over the years. I once introduced him to a friend of mine who is a retired Naval Aviator at the field where Pat had moved to. The aviator knew who Pat was, and I noticed that automatically the man started to address him as “sir,” and gave him the respect he deserves.

              His license on his vehicle is “U2 SR71” and he says that he gets asked if it has something to do with the band.

              According to him, 90% of the SR-71’s flight was programmed into the autopilot, but that they kept their hand very close to the stick in case of an unstart. IIRC, the unstart problem was much more serious in the early years of its operation.

              He was proud of the fact that the Air Force never lost a crewman in the Blackbird. Lockheed and the CIA did. He said that when they turned the plane over to NASA, that he wrote the manual for them. He said that unfortunately their attitude was “If it’s got wings, I can fly it.”

              People have speculated that the plane is faster than the reported speed, but Pat said that he asked Kelly Johnson about flying faster, and Kelly said that if he went faster that bad things would happen. I’d take Kelly at his word any time, and Pat did too, so he stayed within the speed envelope. I believe the limit is imposed because of skin heating and possible melting.

            • Verve

              Fascinating. Yes, I’m being serious. One of my former bosses was an ex-Army tank commander. He had a few stories, lol.

            • Missionary Kid

              Pat only speaks about his experiences if he’s asked. Otherwise, he’s just another pilot. Aviation writer Lane Wallace met him when he was the president of EAA Chapter one, and he had a picture of an SR-71 on the wall. She asked him if he’d worked on it, assuming he was on the ground crew. He smiled, and said something like, “Yeah, kinda.” She finally found out who he was.

              Years later, she was, as an aviation writer and pilot, she met a bunch of U-2 pilots, and was trying to get a flight in a U-2. She was trying, by every string she could pull, to get one, and finally thought of Pat. She gave him a call, and he didn’t give her lip service, but he flew his own plane up to Beale (where they’re based) to talk to someone, and a few weeks later, she was in a U-2 trainer, which she wrote about for Flying.

              Pat is a direct contrast to the guys who make false claims about military service.

              The stolen valor types I’ve run into tend to claim to have been Navy Seals, and they tell a good tale, but if you know a little bit about the service, you’ll start to see holes in their stories if you think about it. They’re following in the steps of LRH.

              BTW, you can hear Pat Halloran on the three video links I posted in reply to John P.

            • Verve

              Thanks, Kid. I love to hear/read about actual heroes from a true source.

              Almost every guy/gal I’ve know that served, I only picked up the fact on a tiny thing they said. Never bragged, never said an outright word; they would just saying something that pinged in my head as military. And it always clicked in my head why I liked/respected them after I figured out the were ex-mil- when you serve with honor, it changes you. I can only admire that, for I didn’t have the guts to go that route. (Yeah, yeah, I’m a wimpy monkey.)

            • Missionary Kid

              Here’s a video of Pat talking about both the U2 and SR-71 http://www.eaavideo.org/video.aspx?v=66103807001

              This is his talk on the U2, http://www.eaavideo.org/video.aspx?v=2513502462001

              Here’s several sled pilots sharing their experiences http://www.eaavideo.org/video.aspx?v=1124855332

          • arcinva

            500 miles… wow…

            • Missionary Kid

              I probably exaggerated a bit. I think it was closer to under 400.

            • arcinva

              Oh, is that all? Pff…

              πŸ˜‰ LOL

    • arcinva

      Until now, I’d never heard of the Night Witches. But thanks to Wikipedia, I know a bit now. And, wow, how fascinating.

      On a side note, I may not really agree with Communism as a political philosophy but I have to hand it to those countries like Russia and China when it comes to female equality. At a time when America was only putting females to work in “men’s” jobs because we had no other choice; they saw females as equally capable of contributing to the military and, really, any job a man could do.

  • aquaclara

    I have zero tolerance (hear that, Pam Bondi, LRH, David Miscavige and Tom Cruise) for those who fake their valor.

    Today is for honoring all those true blue patriots who have fought-and continue to fight- for freedom and peace -you’re the real heroes. Thank you for your service and sacrifice.

  • i-Betty

    So, as we here, and the readers and viewers of the other channels and publications who covered this story were warmly praising Kim Poff and Michael DeLong for being the sort of people you’d want to call friends, never mind colleagues, Kim’s new Employer was quietly stabbing her in the back. Why? Because she and Michael refused to go quietly when their previous Employer white-washed their report into unsafe – frankly lethal – practices at Narconon Arrowhead.

    To me, this epitomises heroism. And their reward for sticking their necks above the parapet? Betrayal upon betrayal. The year is 2014 and brave people are still being hung out to dry by those in power who are paid to serve their country’s people. Let’s call it what it is: corruption and cowardice.

    On the subject of bravery, thank you to the courageous men and women, both home and abroad, who serve and served their countries with honour in conflicts around the world. In this week of Remembrance our veterans deserve all the thanks and recognition we can give them; among that number is a special man most of us had never heard of before today: Navy lieutenant R.L. Keeting, a man deserving of remembrance and gratitude for his stellar service far from home.

    A man unworthy of recognition is L. Ron Hubbard, who, like most things he touched, turned great and bloody conflicts into embroidery to embellish the tapestry of his life. Into this tapestry he stitched lies and deception, cons short and long, and today he is remembered by those who don’t view him through brainwash-tinted spectacles as a charlatan who hoped to leave a great legacy, but instead left a cesspit. And that is how I honour him.

    Thank you, Cicely. x

  • kemist

    Ms. Poff is one of those few people who don’t accept to keep silent when she sees evil, even when her bosses tell her so and it is against her personal interests to speak up.

    That, people, is what genuine personal ethics looks like. It’s difficult. It takes courage.

    It’s got nothing to do with the sciloon variety, or with the groveling for bosses that we’re supposed to value so much (the so-called “work ethics”).

    Evidently, in a culture that values money more than people, when you show yourself to be willing to stand in your superior’s way of making money because you care about the well-being of vulnerable human beings, you’re branded “disloyal” and fired. You’re also marked as such for future employers. And people wonder why things like the Cherch last so long.

    I hope she receives an exemplary settlement.

    • joan nieman

      Kim is humane. Kim is empathetic. Kim believes in fairness and truth. She should be the one succeeding in this matter. I hope she crushes their heads.

      • Eclipse-girl

        Kim is exactly who they need in the Dept of Human Services

  • Chee Chalker

    Follow the money…somebody got something in order for the state authorities to shelve that report. I don’t think anyone is afraid to go after the Co$. IMO, someone got paid. It’s never the crime that brings people (or institutions) down…….its the coverup. I don’t know how things work in Oklahoma, but that’s how we do it in Illinois!

  • Juicer77

    Argh I have to run (volunteer with the rescue kitties) – will catch up when I get back this afternoon! Have a good day, Bunkerites.

    • Stacy

      Good luck to the rescue kitties

  • On this Veteran’s Day
    Let us remember, @TomCruise
    works harder than troops.
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    Doing your own stunts
    on a movie set is hard!
    You do retakes too!
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    Craft services’ fail!
    Not having a cheese danish
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    Soldiers live easy!
    Besides their lives on the line
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    @TomCruise knows Jack Shit
    about soldiers! The hardships,
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    No war stunt doubles.
    Risk of life and limb, missing
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    @TomCruise #haiku #VeteransDay #SoldiersWorkHarderThanActors

    Go to the V.A.
    See recovering troops. Go
    see you’re a glib ass!!
    @TomCruise #haiku #VeteransDay

    L Ron and niblet
    veteran senior officers
    of Sci’s fake navy
    @scientology #haiku #FakeNavy #SeaOrg

    They both have medals
    for accomplishments, let’s take
    time to honor them.
    @scientology #LRon #niblet #FakeNavy

    niblet’s Veteran’s Day:
    he’s head of fake navy
    and survived battles.
    #scientology #BattleMedals #VeteransDay

    McPherson Medal
    COB got criminal charges
    dropped and files shred.
    #scientology #COB #niblet #LisaMcPherson #SheDiedUnderTheirCare

    Settled a lawsuit
    with her family, but he can’t
    erase memories.
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    The Shelly Medal
    COB has won many medals
    for hiding his wife.
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    Avoiding lawsuits
    has earned COB many stripes, all
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    Depo Evasion
    COB will even pretend he
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    opening new ‘branches’, he
    just cant remember!
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    Napoleon Complex
    COB by half an inch, the
    micro dicktator.
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    LRH veteran
    So many medals he earned
    More than MacArthur
    #scientology #haiku #VeteransDay #Medals

    Battle of Pink Eye
    L Ron bravely fought this, won
    pink ribboned medal.
    #haiku #scientology #LRonHubbard #ThisIsMyFavoriteBattleStory

    Deadbeat dad award
    Barely paid support, denied
    one daughter was his.
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    A pill popping drunk
    Pink and gray ribboned medal
    Took years to earn it
    #haiku #scientology #LRonHubbard #DiedWithVistarilInHisSystem

    Conning after death
    First class medal here, the fraud
    goes on in his name.
    #haiku #scientology #LRonHubbard

    Sea Org Veteran’s Day
    What do they get for today?
    Extra scoop of slop?
    #Scientology #haiku

    No Sea Org V.A.
    Abandoned when no longer
    able to do work.
    #scientology #haiku #YouNEVERAbandonAMate #ShowsThemInTheirTrueForm

    • i-Betty

      Thanks to Hayley for the photo and song.

      http://youtu.be/1So6ok542jA

      (Refresh)

    • joan nieman

      Wonderful Tia! That fake navy crap really infuriates me. The stripes and medals they don is insulting to the idealism it really stands for. What a mockery! What a disgrace! Your Haikus tell it all today. I think about Tom Cruise and his medal of valour and I just want to spray him down with a fire hose or something.

      • oooo yeah, i forgot to do one mentioning tommy boy’s ‘medal of valor’!! off to tweet that now! thank you joan!!

    • Lynn Fountain Campbell

      “Depo Evasion
      COB will even pretend he
      doesn’t know a state!”
      Could be he’s not pretending. He *is* a high school dropout after all.

      • well i dislike having to defend him, but i gotta stick up for high school dropouts….i know plenty of high school dropouts who have done well in their life (i am not claiming niblet has done well though!!)….

        • Lynn Fountain Campbell

          Yes, many have. He probably thinks he has too, with all the money and “power” at his disposal.

  • aquaclara

    So Miscavige’s fair gaming in Oklahoma comes at a time when he is spewing lies about having no interest in that state. Another lie. Another victim.

    For Kim, wishing you huge success in your suits. I’m sorry to hear that for doing the right thing, someone found it necessary to make your life hell. There is a book in this at some point. Because the details are going to come out.

    Thank you for being on the side of right, and for calling BS when it it staring citizens right in the face. There is a reason why Scientology, and Narconon, have things to hide. You, on the other hand, do not.

    Stay strong…

  • Panopea Abrupta

    Don Shipley is a former Navy SEAL. He exposes imposters.
    What he says below about liars who claim to have been SEALs could just a easily apply to a certain stain on the reputation of Tilden:
    “There are two kinds of phonies. The barroom loudmouth that no one takes very seriously, and the phony that ‘lives that lie.’ Phonies that ‘live the lie’ have mental problems, lead double lives, and only tell you they’re a SEAL for three reasons: To build trust, to gain respect, or to intimidate you. With intimidation, they gain respect in a reverse way. Impersonating a hero, often called a ‘victimless crime,’ from my dealing with these clowns, is anything but victimless. They leave behind them a trail of fear, emotional distress, broken hearts, and drained bank accounts. They are despicable.”

    • Captain Howdy

      Fake Navy Seal Jesse Ventura learned the hard way about walking into a bar full of Seals and taking a bunch of trash.

      • DodoTheLaser

        Jesse is a fake?

        • Sherbet

          Supposedly, he was an Underwater something-or-other, not a SEAL per se.

          • DodoTheLaser

            I see.

        • Captain Howdy

          Ventura trained as a member of UDT (Underwater Demolition Team) in the Philippines during the Vietnam war. He never saw action during the war. Years after he left UDT it was incorporated into the SEALS.

          • DodoTheLaser

            Wow. Thanks.

        • Sergeant Pepper

          Yes, but in his defense he has admitted the distinction, although it appeared to be reluctantly. On the other hand, I have seen him be deceitful in at least one of his awful conspiracy shows. I have no use for him either.

      • Baby
      • Lurkness

        Careful howdy, Ventura might sue you as he successfully did over the bar fight allegation. Personally think he should have dropped damages against widow of sniper/SEAL Chris Kyle. The book publisher’s insurance payment should have been enough under all the circumstances, including Kyle’s tragic murder.

  • i-Betty

    I would like to honour my own soldier, if I may? Here is the official video of Operation Herrick 6 in Helmand Province: my brother surrounded by beautiful Afghan children at 0:29 and fist bumping a little boy at 0:34. Hearts and minds.

    They went with songs to the battle, they were young.
    Straight of limb, true of eye, steady and aglow.
    They were staunch to the end against odds uncounted,
    They fell with their faces to the foe.

    They shall grow not old, as we that are left grow old:
    Age shall not weary them, nor the years condemn.
    At the going down of the sun and in the morning,
    We will remember them.

    They mingle not with their laughing comrades again;
    They sit no more at familiar tables of home;
    They have no lot in our labour of the day-time;
    They sleep beyond England’s foam.

    http://youtu.be/n0LtiHPeUX0

    We will remember them. Stabilis.

    • Sherbet

      Is he home and safe now, iBetty?

      • i-Betty

        Sherb, thanks, yes he is. His last tour was almost two years ago when he was shot by a Taliban sniper, missing his carotid artery by a few millimeters. Astonishingly, our grandfather was shot in exactly the same place during WWI, the difference being the treatment that both received. My brother was able to stand up and go outside – dragging his fluids and tubes behind him! – and have a cigarette two days later before being flown back to the UK where he was hospitalised for 3 weeks at the amazing military hospital in Birmingham before being allowed home to recuperate.

        Our grandfather spent 6 months in hospital followed by a further 9 months in a recovery home for soldiers. Before being sent back out to carry on fighting!

        The story of the sniper who shot him (and how they captured him) is so fascinating but I don’t know how much I’m allowed to say so it’s best to not to say anything. Suffice to say there was a healthy respect towards him.

        • Sherbet

          Amazing story. Let’s hear it for the day when they ALL come home.

          • i-Betty

            Yes πŸ™‚

        • DodoTheLaser

          Please post his pic here, smiling. I love it! The one from fb.
          You two have the same happy sparkle. Like brother, like sister!

          • i-Betty

            Thank you! Aww, I love you πŸ™‚

            I posted it up above, but I’ll post it here again because it’s a GREAT photo!

            • DodoTheLaser

              Wow! This is soo cool! Even better!
              I meant the other photo, with the royal old guy.

            • i-Betty

              Ahh, of course! Okay, here it is πŸ™‚

              My brother representing his battalion a couple of years ago at the Service of Remembrance in London is presented to Prince Phillip. This was perhaps 3 months after he was shot.

            • Robert Eckert

              One of those guys is a real prince, but I don’t think it’s the old fart.

            • i-Betty

              We were saying on FB the other day that it’s so weird how suddenly Prince Philip’s a ‘character’ now he’s 90+. The Press has spent decades calling him a privileged bigot, but now his every utterance is ‘hilarious’. I said it before and I’ll say it again. We’re an odd nation πŸ˜›

              PS. I rather like the old bastard. At least he’s honestly himself!

            • Scream Nevermore

              Even my mainly republican family thinks he’s a riot!

              Your brother is rather gorgeous, btw! πŸ˜€

            • i-Betty

              I’m going to show him that! πŸ˜€

            • Scream Nevermore

              Thank the gods I don’t post under my real name! πŸ˜‰

            • Graham

              “I rather like the old bastard. At least he’s honestly himself!” Agreed.

            • arcinva

              It happens in old age – and not just in England. There’s something so cute and funny about old men. It really doesn’t matter what they say, it’s just dang cute and funny. πŸ˜€

            • Juicer77

              Gotta admit – the man was handed a cushy job as second banana and has lived many years doing the job faithfully. And still doing it!

            • joan nieman

              You are so right Robert!

            • Ardent

              Hey! Please don’t say mean things about the Royal family. (said with respect, but earnestly)

            • ze moo

              Unlike others, one who is prominently named here, Prince Phillip served in a real navy and was under fire several/many times. He served in the Atlantic, Mediterranean, and Pacific.

            • DodoTheLaser

              YES!!! Thank you! That’s the one! πŸ™‚

            • Baby

              Look at that grin.. He is so damn cute. I love a man in uniform. I dated a baseball player once..( ha)

            • i-Betty

              Heehee! Baby, you rock.

            • Baby

              O/T I ” dated” ( Wink Wink) a guy from Syracrus baseball team.. He traveled to Toledo to play the Mud Hens..( 1970s)

              So he traveled to Phoenix to play ball.. and you won’t believe this.. He ran into my identical twin sister in a bar. He thought she was me..

              She called me up the next day and said, ” Good God.. How far did you go with this guy.. He was like an octopus around me all night! ” Good old Billy Kirkpatrick..

              Roman hands and Russian in.

            • i-Betty

              Hilarious! Your stories πŸ˜€

            • Baby

              Then I have done my job here..ha ; 0

            • i-Betty

              PS. “The royal old guy” made my mum laugh out loud πŸ˜€

            • Baby

              Heart warming..absolutely wonderful. Look at that smile! What a nice Sis you are!

        • aquaclara

          Thanks for sharing this, I-Betty. Heroes are those like your brother and your grandfather, and we owe them so much.

    • DodoTheLaser

      This video is so very important. Namaste.

    • i-Betty

      That’s my brother, always laughing πŸ™‚

      (Refresh)

      • Scream Nevermore

        My gggrandfather served there back when Iraq was still called Mesopotamia! Your bro looks v. handsome in his uniform – glad he’s home safe.

        • i-Betty

          ‘Mesopotamia’ conjures up such wonderful images πŸ™‚ So many of us have grandparents and great-grandparents who served, don’t we? Actually, my grandfather on my dad’s side, a lay preacher, was a pacifist and refused to fight in WWII and I have as much admiration for him as I do for the great-grandfather on my mother’s side who fought in WWI. It must have been horrendous having to face everyone’s judgement, but he stuck fast to his principles, and was extremely courageous in other aspects of his life. Principles often go against popular opinion, which makes it even tougher to stick to them.

          • Scream Nevermore

            I have family serving in the British Army way back into the 1700s. I have Boers fighting against them, and Irish republicans (and further back!) fighting against them. Even my dad ended up in Cyprus when the Greeks and Turks were blowing the island to hell. I will never be ashamed of any of them. And would say that for any pacifist ancestors I might find too. They all did what they felt they had to do.

            • i-Betty

              I was born in Cyprus on the RAF base there and all the Forces families had to evacuate (overnight, leaving all our belongings behind) when war broke out in 1974. Your family history is extraordinary. I bet our dads are a similar age: your’s arriving as mine was fleeing with his family. My parents were teachers in the Combined Forces, and both are pacifists, as I am, which people find strange with so many soldiers in our families, but it has no bearing on how inordinately proud we are of them πŸ™‚

          • arcinva

            My grandfather was also a pacifist (Church of the Brethren). He took non-combatant duty in the Navy in WWII. He was stationed at Pearl Harbor. He was the best person I’ve ever known in my life, in every way. I can only hope to live my life in a way that would make him proud. In fact, I’m a pacifist, as well. Not because of him; because of my own theological searching. But it is a strong connection I feel to him now.

      • joan nieman

        Thank you IBetty. That is so touching and perfect today.

      • Baby

        Betty.. tears are flowing.. just beautiful.. What a handsome man your brother is…Thank you for sharing.. Happy tears, proud tears and thank you tears!

        • i-Betty

          It’s a really emotional day, isn’t it, Baby? I feel outraged on Kim Poff’s behalf; we all do. Then there’s the beautifully quiet tribute to her grandfather by Cicely, wrapped up in an extremely funny take-down of Hubbard. And then we have all the wonderful anecdotes and tributes from Bunkerites which are making me well up. An important and special day. x

          • Baby

            It is emotional.. It doesn’t help that I forgot to take my Paxil last night.. xo

            • Sherbet

              Here’s one for you, Baby: O

            • Baby

              Ohhh thanks Sherb.. It is going to be a long night..My poor husband. I can feel the split green pea soup starting to well up in my throat!

            • arcinva

              Ugh, that’s the worse. I used to take Paxil. I take Effexor now. If I miss a dose (I take them at bedtime), by mid-morning, I start feeling dizzy. My afternoon, I have to lay down from it and the nausea.

            • Baby

              I have taken Paxil since 2000.. ( I should have taken it years earlier) panic attacks just terrible..OMG.. I still get social anxiety if it over rides the medication..

              and I never know when it is coming.. Oh well.. No big deal..not like it used to be..

              but if I miss a pill ( I take mine at 9pm) I turn into the exorcist girl. Fun times.. but knock on wood I am just edgy ( OK bitchy) and nauseated ..ugh..

              ( I always tell my hubby when I miss ( 3-4 times a year) and close the office door! ) If the door opens it is at his own risk.

            • arcinva

              (queue my sob story) I started having panic attacks at age 5. Yes. Five. Took until I was 9 for any doctor to consider drugs, given none of them were tested or approved for children (this was back in the 80’s). Took until about 12 for panic attacks to not be a near daily occurrence. Started Buspar at about 10-ish, added Paxil at around 12. I’m 35 now and lucky to say panic attacks are a rarity… like an every couple of years rarity. But for the perseverance, patience, and love of my mother and some could (evil) psychs along the way that gave me therapy and drugs, I seriously doubt I’d leave the house much less be the healthy, happy, social, hard-working girl that I am.

            • Juicer77

              Arcinva, same story here, started around the same age. No relief until I was 17 when my primary physician finally figured it out. Was so thin from constant nausea that mom thought I was anorexic. Thank God for the evil psychs and their evil meds. Glad you are in the rarity category now. Me too. Big hugs to you, we’re survivors. The Co$’s fight against good psychiatric treatment makes me incredibly furious.

            • Baby

              See my response to arcina above Juicer.. Join the club.. Yes we are survivors ((HUGS to all of us ))

            • Juicer77

              πŸ™‚

            • Baby

              You are singing my life.. My twin and I would cry all the way to school just convinced that we would be late. There would be kids blocks away walking but we just knew we were going to be late..

              So yep.. 5-6 too when it started.. Just anxious children which progressed as the years went by..

              We were the children that would repeatedly ask.. ” Well what if it rains tomorrow..? What if I get sick..what if, What IF.. WHATTTTTTTT IF..

              back then ( 50s) no therapy..no meds..unheard of in small time Ohio..

              Of course being identical twins we exacerbated and acknowledged each others anxiety..
              ” You are right..We’re going to be late.. sobbing, tears..hugging each other.. ”

              My panic attacks were so bad toward the end that I was pretty much house bound.. Close to being agoraphobic. I could NOT drive.

              So my kids had an intervention I was placed on Paxil.. my twin went to an Anxiety Clinic… and the rest is history.

              Unless anyone has experienced Panic attacks they would have no idea how you feel like you are going to die! Right then and there Die on the spot. Your heart pumping out of your chest..

              ( went to the hospital more than once thinking I was having a heart attack) Sweating, shortness of breath.. just an awful experience and I feel bad for ANYONE who has gone through it.. Ugh Ugh…

            • arcinva

              It’s definitely genetic in both sides of my family. My mom’s mom had panic attacks as a child. Of course back then in the 20’s, it was called “nerves” and there were no medicines. When it would get really bad, the doctor would come to the house and dose her with codeine. My mom didn’t even find out about this until she was in her 50’s. One of my mom’s sister had them. My sister started getting them in her late 20’s. She has trouble driving; will only do it a little. It’s one small way I’m grateful mine started so early. As a little kid, I had to do what my mom told me… and she didn’t let me hide or quit. Even if that meant gently kicking me out of the car every morning at school while I was sobbing because I was terrified. So I learned to persevere. My sister being an adult when it happened, had the freedom to say, “Nope. Not gonna do it.” I think it’d actually hindered her in a way. On my dad’s side, his mom was agoraphobic. There’s also a lot of alcohol issues on that side which I have a strong suspicion is self-medicating.

            • Baby

              Yep.. genetic.. absolutely. My mother denied hers ( stoic type) but we all knew.. Nerves

              and Alcohol also. Amazing .. and so freakin debilitating..and You NEVER know when it will happen.

              I would go out with my X ( control freak) and I am a loner.. pretty much…and he would MAKE me go out with people who I didn’t feel comfortable with.

              It always ended with me going to the bathroom with him sending restaurant staff going in to get me to come out. It was always a huge fight on the way home. ” I’m crazy.. blah, blah..

              Thank God after 30 years of this I have a man who understands and doesn’t push.

            • Deeana

              I just LOVE that last line!

            • Baby

              Thank you Deeana.. He is my rock..

    • Stacy

      What a beautiful tribute Betty. And I’m so glad to know through your posts that your brother is doing well today.

  • Draco

    Scientology and its tentacles continue to be an ugly blot on the face of the earth, with all its lies and deceit. I so look forward to the day it dies the death it deserves.
    Hubbard has always taken credit where it wasn’t due – from stealing other people’s work to single-handedly winning WW2. He was just such a wanker.

  • Sherbet

    Today’s post is brought to you by the letter “d” — despicable, deceptive, depressing.

    • Dale A.

      There is no word that begins with “d” that is not dark, dreary, and dreadful. Well, I guess delectable is kind of an outlier.

      • Sherbet

        Davidmiscavige…

        • i-Betty

          In honour of Australia: Drongo Miscavige πŸ™‚

        • Baby

          Dick

      • Eileen

        Delicious, delightful, deciduous, definitely, dabble, double…

  • TheQueenofBulgravia

    The Groesbeek Canadian War Cemetery and Memorial, Netherlands. The cemetery contains 2,338 Canadian soldiers of World War II. (Rhineland Battles) Established February 1945, Uncle Ray was killed by a sniper that month. He was 22, as he’d lied about his age and joined the Army when he was 16.

    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c5/Groesbeek_Canadian_War_Cemetery_-_panorama_view.jpg

    • i-Betty

      As so many boys did. We will remember them, and we will remember Uncle Ray.

    • Graham

      My uncle was also killed by a sniper. In his case at the foot of Mount Etna during ‘Operation Husky’, the landings in Sicily which preceded the slog up the Italian mainland. Two generations on my son’s married an Italian and I have bilingual Anglo-Italian grandchildren. How times change.

      • TheQueenofBulgravia

        Yes! I never met my Dad until I was 3. My late, late husband’s uncles all fought on the German side. They were captured and POWed in England and the US–They were very grateful!
        Sadly their wives and children were captured by the Russians in Poland and were sent to a concentration camp. My Children’s GreatGrandmother etc. had almost reached “German safety” when she decided to turn back–no Russian was going to chase her off their farm! @@ She starved to death in camp. The other women and children endured hell but all lived.

        • Baby

          Oh queen..such a tragic story.. sigh ;’ /

          • TheQueenofBulgravia

            To rejoin the Fathers, they escaped to West Berlin and then from Berlin to Northern Germany in a dusty plane that had brought coal in during …..

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berlin_Blockade

            The Berlin blockade (24 June 1948 – 12 May 1949) was one of the first major international crises of the Cold War. During the multinational occupation of post–World War II Germany, the Soviet Union blocked the Western Allies’ railway, road, and canal access to the sectors of Berlin under allied control.

            http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d8/C-54landingattemplehof.jpg

            • Baby

              Thank you.. Wow.. Very interesting..

  • Science Doc

    The first and largest attack on Australia was a Pearl Harbor style raid on Port Darwin in the far north. After that there were sporadic raids, usually a few planes, on various targets, usually in northern Queensland, but never as far south as Brisbane. I’ve driven by one of the bombing sites in Mossman. The Cairns area was heavily defended as it would of been a likely target. All of this is pretty far north of Brisbane. Australia is roughly the size of the continental US. Equating Brisbane and James Cook based on both being in Queensland, would be a bit like being in San Diego and hoping to drive to Napa for lunch.

    Of course early in the war the Japanese could have had the means to hit Brisbane with a carrier strike, and I’m sure the Aussies had heavy AA around that city, and even Sydney. Why would Hubbard be issued a Thompson? Wasn’t he on a supply ship by the time he hit Australia? And he was in the US in 1941 and early 42 getting fired from corvettes. What an idiot.

    • ze moo

      A Thompson is pretty useless against aircraft. It did have some ‘gravitas’ and was prized for infantry fighting. Hubbtard just wanted to ‘borrow’ some of that ‘gravitas’ for himself.

  • KingofSweden

    Thanks for the remembrance about Mr. Keeting, Deborah… on this day we should honor those who actually served their country.

      • i-Betty

        Isn’t it stunning? We were at St Katherine Docks next to the Tower of London 3 days after they started ‘planting’ all the poppies. We were astonished then, but we had no idea just how spectacular it would be when they finished. So glad they’ve been given permission to keep them there for a little longer.

        • Sherbet

          All I can think of now is that poem that starts, “In Flanders Field, the poppies blow…”

          I haven’t seen a WWII Veteran selling poppies for years. I think so many of them are no longer with us. My Dad always contributed and brought home a bunch of poppies for us.

          • i-Betty

            Bless him πŸ™‚ There are still 20 or so WWII veterans in our town who turn out every year to sell poppies. They marched past my house yesterday after Remembrance Sunday Service, followed by representatives from all the military services, plus fire, police, ambulance and all the junior version of those groups, and they marched as proudly erect as they did on the parade ground in 1939, chins high, looking directly ahead. Nothing gives me a bigger lump in my throat than these venerable old gentlemen.

            • joan nieman

              Well, there are tears in my eyes today.

            • i-Betty

              Mine, too, Joan πŸ™‚ It’s very emotional at the Bunker today.

          • LHS

            I heard someone read In Flanders Fields this morning. A Remembrance Day ceremony in Canada is not complete without Lt. Col. John McCrae’s poem. Two of my relatives served in WWII (an officer in the Royal Canadian Navy and a sergeant in the United States Army), but they have both passed away.

            I am so proud of all the current and former Canadian Forces members who I have seen in my city today. It is less than a month since Nathan Cirillo and Patrice Vincent were killed, but the cowards who did that have not stopped these people from wearing their uniforms in observance today.

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_Flanders_Fields

            • i-Betty

              What a difficult day for Canada. My thoughts are with you.

        • I wouldn’t want to be the person told to remove it.

      • Missionary Kid

        They featured those poppies in a story on CBS Sunday morning. Beautiful.

  • Dale A.

    Dear Deborah Keeting-Hansen, if you are reading,
    You write beautifully. Never having been in your situation, I nevertheless know from experience what this expression means “if you would lick my heart, you would die of poison.”
    When you feel the bile, stop for a moment, and take refuge in the reality that R.L. Keeting was loved. We hope he received intangible reward for his integrity, and his service.
    I would also say that I hope that Hubbard guy and his henchmen get their due, but I don’t want to bring up the bile.
    D

  • Sid

    Another great story from L. Ron Humblebrag. (refresh)

    • Just Dee

      He ran home to tell his GF that some strange man in the park was touching him while he was sleeping.

      • Dale A.

        Just Dee,
        Thank you for my first laugh of the day. And oh my gosh, ” I looked around and saw that no-one else could take care of it”, I had no idea how unoriginal Tom Cruise really is.

      • joan nieman

        Ha ha ha! That was good Just Dee.

      • Baby

        Hahahhahahahah Dee.. hilarious! Poketa, Poketa, Poketa..You see

    • Sergeant Pepper

      L Ron Humblebrag!

      • Sid

        He was the king of the humble-brag. He saved the world from atomic war don’t you know.

      • Missionary Kid

        I’ve saved that one for LRH nicknames list.

    • Sejanus

      More like “pull my finger while I feel up myself.”

      His stories are BS you see. It’s just as simple as that.
      Being blind, mentally ill, full of pain, a drug abuser, an alcoholic he could not get his own life under control. So seeing no one really gave two hoots about him, well he just took it by the horns to make things up you see.
      It is really that simple. One good yarn and shabadoo shabading, cha ching cha ching he is in the money and boy lemme tell you he runs home to tell anyone who will listen to his wins, you see.

      This guy was a ponce.

    • Sherbet

      Thank God lrh had “a bit of spare time” to accomplish this magnanimous feat. If he had been on his way to do something important, the poor sap would have died right there in the park.

      • Sid

        Is that where Ron stole it from? He says it in various tapes.

        • Sherbet

          No, no, no…Thurber stole it from HIM. Silly Sid. (Thurber spelled it “pocketa” BTW.)

          • Sid

            Oh, okay. I stand corrected. I only heard the word on tapes (I heard his voice when I typed it all up), and never saw it written that I remember.

            • Sherbet

              No correction, Sid. I was snarking that, if lrh spelled it differently, it wasn’t a complete rip-off from James Thurber. Yeah. But you’re right; lrh probably never wrote it out, just said it.

              You see.

            • Sid

              Oh god, now I’m going to have his voice rattling around in my head all day,, you see. With that one statement ‘you see’, well you ‘brought the matter off’, and ‘pocketa, pocketa, pocketa’ I was done.

            • Sherbet

              You started it, Sid. πŸ˜€

    • Phil McKraken

      Here’s what I read in that story. Ron came across some dude taking a nap in the park. He took the opportunity to jerk himself off while kneeling down over the sleeping man. When the man awoke in the middle of the event, he jumped up and ran out of there like a bat out of Hell. Ron thought that everyone had a wonderful time.

      • Sid

        The main part of Super Power is the Perception Rundown. I see that you are ready to attest.

    • Tom Cruise probably caught his verbal SFX twitch from Hubbard. Poketa-poketa-whooosh!

    • Dr_Orpheus

      Ron helping a downstat for free? That would never happen in a billion years!

      • Sid

        Well, he does tell a story about auditing a man with a limp in a park while Mary Sue looked on. They took him home for dinner afterwards and noticed he wasn’t walking with a limp anymore. Must be true if Ron said it.

    • Sid

      Just to clarify in case it isn’t obvious, this is satire. Maybe it hits just a little too close to home.

      • Dr_Orpheus

        So Hubris didn’t actually make that claim?

        • Sid

          No. Sorry. It was my meager attempt at satirical humor.

          • Sherbet

            Oh, Jeez.

          • Dr_Orpheus

            He said plenty of ridiculous things on his own. No need to put words in his mouth. When your dealing with a subject that full of crap, it’s hard to recognize a parody.

            • Sid

              I’ll be more careful in future.

            • Eileen

              Please don’t be more careful, you did a great job. We need more of your humor!

          • Graham

            Poe’s Law strikes again: “It is difficult or impossible to tell the difference between an expression of sincere extremism and a parody of extremism”.

          • i-Betty

            You wrote it, Sid? It’s so funny!

            • Sid

              I did, but I didn’t realize that others might see it as real. I’ve since added a disclaimer.

            • Sherbet

              It’s hard to lampoon a buffoon.

            • Sid

              Good point. It’s like adding funny ears to a clown.

        • Scream Nevermore

          He would have loved to have written it tho!

      • Sergeant Pepper

        Lol!!! So completely believable. *removes fish hook from mouth*

        • Sid

          I really feel bad now. I thought I was being so funny but maybe only someone who’d been in for years would see this. I’m so sorry.

          • Sergeant Pepper

            No need to apologize, you owned up to it, and it’s hilarious. See Graham’s comment re Poe’s Law.

          • Graham

            Don’t worry. I thought it was brilliant, how you did something which was obviously fake now you point it out, but was so typically ‘Flubtard’ that we’d never have guessed. You can always use the ‘edit’ function to add a disclaimer of some sort.

            • Sid

              Good idea. Just added it.

          • i-Betty

            It’s absolutely hilarious!

          • Baby

            Sid.. NOPE ..it was hilarious.. No shame in your game!

            • Sid

              Thanks Baby. Does that mean my sec check is cancelled?

            • Baby

              Oh not so fast..Report in my office with a Peach Pie.. ( extra thick crust)

              That is all.

            • Sid

              Those are my amends for the Condition of Liability?

            • i-Betty

              Hang on a minute. Nobody mentioned pie. I think we need a little more time to regroup and come up with a more comprehensive list of Conditions!

            • Sid

              That’s how it works. Do a condition formula, and it’s not good enough. Do another. More amends. Years go by. Try to get upgraded. Some won’t sign. More amends. By that time Baby and i-Betty have enough pie to open a bakery.

            • i-Betty

              I see no problems with this forecast πŸ˜€

            • Baby

              Hahahaha… Ain’t that the truth.. but I would Eat the profits trust me!

      • Anonymous

        You had me at…Poketa.

    • Dylan

      predictable and funny. even if it’s not true.

    • i-Betty

      I know this is satire, but have you noticed that when Ron is about to tell a lie he precedes it with the words: “you see”.

      • Sherbet

        I noticed that when Ron is about to tell a lie, he opens his mouth or picks up his pen.

        • i-Betty

          Snickersnort πŸ˜›

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        …and so on…..and so forth…..

    • Baby

      This little piggy..blah, blah,

      And this little piggy cried wee wee wee all the way home.

    • ze moo

      That ‘poketa’ is usually a sign of bad valves. At least it is in my old truck.

      • Sid

        Yes, I believe his valves were always sticky.

        • Which is why the Oiliness Table is so important!

          • Sid

            Something to lubricate sticky valves.

    • rickiraccoon

      Reminds me of the time I was napping in the park. Here comes LRH, standing over me, pointing his finger right at me, “Come on, pull my finger, pull my finger”, and in no time, well…..I was outta there.
      Couldn’t resist.

      • Sid

        It was his first attempt at ‘safe pointing’.

    • Eileen

      Hilarious

  • Kimberly Gooden Bumpas

    I hope Kim is successful in her endeavors. This is typical Oklahoma behavior, I’ve witnessed it firsthand too many times living here. DHS is required to do thorough background checks before hiring, they knew.

  • California

    RE: Kim Poff. As many of you know, this is classic scn retaliation. They did similar things in the public education of California system and other educational systems during and after Bush had appointed scn’er John Danielson as Chief of Staff to Sec’y of Education Rod Paig from 2001on to the end of the Bush presidency. A person involved in this (not a scn’er at all) told me that the pressure was intense on her to get rid of a teacher or lose her own job….. and her boss that told her that was not a scn’er, either. Kim is doing it right…. sue, go public and keep job hunting. Sooner or later, she will get hired in an excellent job with good people, I predict.

    • Lynn Fountain Campbell

      …with lots of settlement money on the side. πŸ™‚

      • i-Betty

        She deserves it. Twice over.

  • I wonder how much money Lil Davey Misscabbage has paid peple at OK’s Department of Human Services? Call me cynical – I think that’s much more likely than worry over a $cientology lawsuit.

    • Sid

      I wouldn’t put it past them to have someone from OSA in the department.

      • That’s how they roll. I remember years ago how a woman was on-lines at CC and working for the CA Dept. of Motor Vehicles and supplying the cult with information about anyone they wanted. And of course I was housemates with Henning and Mary Heldt for a while.

        • Sid

          Ouch! You’re keying me in man. I remember that stuff from back in the GO days. It was amazing what they had their fingers in. I do remember the plate checks.

          • Let go of those engrams – they belong to Hubbard!

            • Sid

              Priority mail to Target 2.

  • Bury_The_Nuts

    Awwww………. Many hugs to Sheepherder!!!

    • joan nieman

      Oh there you are Bury Haven’t seen you for awhile but it could be the times differing in posting. Love to read your posts.

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        Thanks Joan. I read everyday, but life has been on the crazy side lately.

  • Panopea Abrupta

    A great song and probably it’s finest interpretation,
    Dick Gaughan sings:
    The 51st (highland) Division’s Farewell to Sicily

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-LFCAKGUUo

  • Sejanus

    So much for whistleblower protections I am guessin’.

  • richelieu jr

    Slight correction: Obviously Mr Hubbard wasn’t tlaking about Mt. Coot-tha, but its opposite Mt. Un-Coot-tha– In fact to this day he is known to many of us admirers as ‘Mr Uncouth-a’…

  • Scream Nevermore

    I like the sound of Lt Keeting. Can’t say the same for the other chap mentioned in the post.

  • But they allege that their bosses were so afraid of taking on the Church of Scientology, they pretended that the study wasn’t finished, and simply shelved it.

    Well, that and envelopes full of money.

  • ItsIBBy

    This takes balls. Serious brass ones, both from Kim for going public and for OK to so blatantly violate all of the employment laws.

  • nottrue

    Thank you for those of you who paid the ultimate price…..

    • Missionary Kid

      Every person that I’ve heard speak about winning the United States Medal of Honor, has said that the real heroes were the ones who didn’t come back.

  • dagobarbz

    Here you go, ‘Ron the War Hero’ by Chris Owen.
    http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Cowen/warhero/

    • Sherbet

      Sickening, isn’t it.

      • dagobarbz

        One year, famed OG Richard of Riverside came down to San Diego for the Veterans’ Day parade. We had triple fold brochures I designed, RON THE WAR ZERO. Gave out every single one to military personnel, family and supporters. It was a good day.

        The more you know…I wonder if the LRH Life Museum still displays all the medals Ron didn’t earn…

        • Sherbet

          It probably does, plus some medals he earned after his death. Ron-worshippers seem to swallow anything.

    • ItsIBBy

      Dang! I went down a serious rabbit hole, a hood hour and a half so far, before I snapped back to the fact that I’m at work and actually have to… work! lol. Definitely bookmarked for later.

  • Panopea Abrupta

    Red-X Red-X Red-X

    The Bunker has it’s heroes and veterans too.
    I salute the all the veterans of the campaign against $cientology.
    They struggled, and suffered “Fair Game” and endless litigation, often bankruptcy, often ill-health, sometimes worse.
    A shout out for Gerry Armstrong, Paulette Cooper, Michael Flynn, Arnie Lerma, Jon Atack, Russell Miller, Warrior, Dennis Erlich and many many others.
    May justice prevail.

    Today’s new blues:

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-Kvg78kCcvo5gL7UfPcmhmbsagTNtdj0y2LAiHVFrCU/pubhtml#

    • Baby

      Look at that shit eatin grin..haha .. Yep, he is a true fighter for the cause!

  • Baby

    My Artistic expression of ” The Bombs Bursting in Air..” refresh

    • Jo

      Did you paint that?

      • i-Betty

        Baby is a wonderful artist πŸ™‚

        • Baby

          ** Flicks cigarette ** The only talent that I have that isn’t hidden.. ( If you know what I mean)

          Thanks honey bunny boo boo

      • Baby

        I painted the original Jo.. and added a couple of ” Special Effects” to it digitally when I sold them as prints.

        Still remember takin the T square to the canvas for the stripes.. I have these prints in several American Legion.. Veteran halls etc. across the country. ( That I Donated)

        Didn’t mean to pat myself on the back. It was my way to thank them.

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          Gorgeous.

          • Baby

            ** Curtsies** Thanks Papa..

        • Jo

          I love it.

  • chukicita

    Kim Poff’s situation is one example of what Scn, Inc. can do to communities and governments. Her bosses were so scared of Scn that they shelved the report? But Davey had nothing to do with Oklahoma. No, sir.

    It would be so cool if Hambo could get them to admit that in a deposition.

    • chukicita

      And even more cooler if Kim Poff got her job back, with a promotion!

  • i-Betty

    Please refresh for updated contact information for the Oklahoma Dept of Human Services. The more of us who can write and call to express our outrage at Kim’s treatment, the more effective our message will be. Email is great but snail mail is even better.

    With thanks to Elar Aitch πŸ™‚

    • Lynn Fountain Campbell

      Just found a typo in the email addresses. Should be odmhsas.org instead of odmhas.org.

      • i-Betty

        Thanks, Lynn. Good spot! I will re-post with your correction πŸ™‚

  • Cymboli

    Go get ’em Kim. You and DeLong intended to stand up to the billion dollar bully and that makes you both heroes in my book. This issue with Oklahoma not wanting to fight Scientology’s money machine is not surprising. I’ve been saying for a long time that the reason the Scilons continue to operate in the US with seeming impunity is directly due to their bank account. It is far easier for the government to completely ignore the problem than actually do something about it. So what if a few people die. So what if families are destroyed, if children are enslaved, if women are forced to undergo abortions, if grown men and women suffer in inhumane conditions and imprisoned. So what if they commit fraud and lie to maintain their tax exempt status while the rest of us are forced to scrape together what little we have in order to pay our taxes every year. It doesn’t cost anything to look the other way. Is it any wonder why the DOJ and IRS ignore the problem. Even if they wanted to do something they know that the elected politicans would never go for it for the simple fact that attacking scientology would cause Hollywood elites to cry religious persecution and that is political death.

  • ElleGee

    I feel bad for Kim. OK just re-elected a Governor that embodies the type of treatment that Kim has been exposed to. OK Government should be grateful that someone with Kim’s integrity and fortitude wants to work for them (and in turn, the people).

  • Eclipse-girl

    What happened to Ms Poff is just plain wrong.
    I hope she gets her job back but it will take years.
    I have the feeling this is going to cost OK with pay back and interest.

    Thank You Ms Keeting – Hansen.
    Every story like this helps.
    I appreciate the significance of this article on Veterans Day / Rememberance Day

  • Eclipse-girl

    A while ago, I wrote this essay for myself and posted it here.

    If I post it once a year on Veterans Day / Rememberance Day , I hope it won”t get boring.

    Many of us have had relatives serve in war.

    Most service people are honorable.

    Ron Hubbard was not a honorable person.

    ————————————————————-

    I was
    intrigued by the following photos.

    http://www.skepsis.nl/hubbard1943.jpg

    http://www.imagick.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/L-Ron-Hubbard-Navy.jpg

    http://a.disquscdn.com/uploads/mediaembed/images/812/5410/original.jpg

    http://www.lronhubbard.org/sites/default/files/styles/tl_large/public/ron-series/profile/profile_chronology_41_l-ron-hubbard.jpg

    There is another photo that I am aware of Ron in uniform with Thomas
    Moulton. I have only seen it in a newspaper. If anyone has a (good)
    print of that, I would love to see it.

    I have been very curious about the ribbons, and the possible date of the
    photos

    I believe the photos were all taken at the same time. Now I think
    they may have been doctored in the 1970s. Or Ron was a lying asshole
    about his war record during or shortly after the war.

    I used this source for the ribbons

    http://www.officialmilitaryribbons.com/united_states_navy_ribbons_in_precedence.html

    According to unbiased researchers (Miller, Atack, Owen, Wright) Ron earned
    4 medals and no battle stars.

    The American Defense Service Medal

    The American Campaign Medal

    The Asiatic Pacific Campaign Medal

    The WWII Victory Medal

    The ribbons associated with these medals are in the 7th and 8th row from
    the top from the link I posted.

    According to Thomas Moulton who went to sub chaser training school with
    Ron, and then served as is second in command off the shores of Oregon, he
    and Ron always wore two battle stars on that ribbon (The American
    Campaign). Moulton testified to this during one of the Gerry Armstrong
    cases, in 1984.

    I think Ron is wearing 8 ribbons, a top row of 2 ribbons, a middle row of
    three ribbons and a bottom row of three ribbons.

    If the date is accurate (and I do not think it is) there would be no WW II
    victory medal.

    Here is an image of medals and the ribbons that Ron and Scientology
    claimed

    http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/7081/hubbardstolenmedals2b.jpg

    http://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/31765/l-ron-hubbards-life.pdf

    go to page 11.

    There is a photo of the medals and ribbons without text on them

    I needed to have the plain image to do my checking.

    I also suspect that the image of the ribbons is actually upside down.

    The row of two ribbons should be displayed on top.

    Left and right are when looking at the photographs.

    Top row, left

    This appears to have a battle star. The ribbon itself is covered by the
    lapel and hard to see. I cannot see a vertical stripe on the ribbon, at
    all. Perhaps it is the American Defense Service ribbon, but there should
    be a noticeable white vertical stripe, in my opinion. My decision was
    highly influenced by the single battle star.

    Top row, right

    This ribbon also appears to have one battle star.

    Because of the white vertical stripes and the light color of the ribbon,
    I think that may be the Asiatic Pacific Campaign ribbon, and the battle
    star is obscuring the center (middle) vertical stripes.

    Ron later claimed two battle stars for this ribbon.

    Middle row, left

    This is a guess on my part. There are visible vertical white stripes.

    The only ribbon that comes close to matching it, in my opinion, is the
    Eastern African Middle Eastern Campaign Ribbon. I am not happy with that
    choice, but it is my best guess.

    If I am correct, this is clearly a fraudulent ribbon.

    In the photo, Ron has no battle stars, but later he or scientology claimed
    two battle stars for this fraudulent ribbon

    Middle row, middle

    This ribbon is obscured by two battle stars. The ribbon is light in color,
    and I can not distinguish the vertical stripes.

    Perhaps it is the American Campaign ribbon, but I would like to see some
    evidence of dark vertical stripes in the center.

    That is what I think the ribbon is because of Moulton’s testimony.

    Middle row, right

    I have no idea what this ribbon was. It is not in the Naval ribbon link, in
    my opinion.

    I think this ribbon corresponds with the ribbon 5th row from the top, and
    in the middle in the scientology display

    Others have identified this as the Organized Marine Corps Reserve Medal.

    Bottom, left

    I am not sure. I can’t seem to find it the image in the claims
    of scientology.

    It appears to be dark blue with four green stripes.

    This is for Naval expert at both pistol and rifle.

    Bottom, middle

    A dark blue ribbon with 3 green stripes displayed on the top, middle of
    the image.

    This is for Naval Expert Rifle

    Bottom, right

    A dark blue ribbon, with two thin green stripes

    displayed on the top, left on the image.

    This is for Naval Expert Pistol

    The ribbons for these three marksmanship awards are in dispute. Chris Owen
    found evidence of such awards. But medals / ribbons were not awarded
    until 1969, according to those on OCMB.

    I am not a
    familiar with guns at all.

    Ron was
    said to have poor eyesight. I am surprised he was a marksman.

    My father
    fought in WW II. He earned an infantry marksmanship award. In his
    letters, he stated he would go against anyone with a rifle, but he was terrible
    with a pistol.

    How hard is
    it to be a marksman with both rifles and handguns?

    • Sherbet

      You’ve done some good detective work, E-girl.

    • ItsIBBy

      This is an incredibly detailed post that I want to go back over with more depth, as ribbons and medals are a hobby of mine.

      to answer this though:

      “How hard is it to be a marksman with both rifles and handguns?”

      Its not. My former fiance was qualified in both (marine), several of my friends husbands (also marines) were qualified as well. However, going off of Ronnie’s noted poor eyesight, I would say in his case it wouldn’t be pretty much impossible, considering that Navy Marksman Medals were first given out in 1969. I’m doing more research into whether there was an equivalent that was given out in Ronnie’s time in the service, but my spidey senses are saying liar liar thetan on fire

      • Eclipse-girl

        I look forward to reading about your trip down this particular rabbit hole.
        I had to make some guesses.

        TY for answering the question about marksmanship.

        • ItsIBBy

          Your post is an incredible jumping off point, seriously!

          My family has a pretty steeped navy history, so anytime I see the PoS..er.. CoS, parroting Ronnie’s “storied naval career” my blood just boils. It takes a special kind of psychopath to sink so low as to trump up a military career.

          The marksman medals are confusing as it looks like there were several variations of them. What I really want to look at (and am digging for) is an official look at his DD-214, his separation paperwork, which would list his medals earned

          • Eclipse-girl

            This is one link that I found useful

            http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Cowen/warhero/intro.htm

            The article by Chris Owen is very good.

            http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Cowen/warhero/medals.htm

            At the bottom of this page of the article, you should find the link to what you are seeking

            ETA : Many of us have had relatives who served.
            Most service people are honorable and do not go on aggrandizing what they did.
            For WW II vets, many of them were very quiet about what they did.

            It angers me greatly that this charlatan lied the way he did and was never taken to task for it by the Navy.

            • ItsIBBy

              Ah Hah! another good jumping off point! When I get home, I will look at my grand dads DD214. He served in WWII around the same time frame as Hubbard. And actually DID serve near Java, as did his brother, my great Uncle, who was lost aboard the USS Houston during the battle of Sunda Straight.

              *rubs hands together* so much research! I love it

            • LHS

              “For WW II vets, many of them were very quiet about what they did.”

              My grandfather and I were watching TV once, and I don’t remember the exact context because this was over ten years ago, but there was a black-and-white clip of WWII soldiers making their way through very deep mud, and he said, “That’s the way it was in France.” That was the only personal recollection of the war that he ever shared with me.

    • i-Betty

      Astonishing work. I didn’t think I had much interest in medals, aside from the stories about how they were earned, but I read every word and studied every picture and loved it all.

      • Eclipse-girl

        Thanks.

        I was motivated because of those who served and didn’t tell their stories.
        My father’s medals were nothing special.
        But he never spoke about them.
        I had to do the investigation after he died

        This bloated narcissist spat on every honest, honorable service person with his damn lies.

        • ItsIBBy

          “My Father’s medals were nothing special.”

          That he did his job not expecting to receive them, makes them special

          • i-Betty

            It’s great to have you back, IBBy πŸ™‚

    • Sergeant Pepper

      I have pistol expert or some such wording on my DD214. It had nothing to do with my job responsibilities.

      In most of the US Navy there is no need for marksmanship training. We never fired any of the half dozen M14’s on our boat, and only those personnel who stood topside watch (maybe 15 sailors, not me) fired familiarization training every other year with the 1911 .45. None of the officers were required to shoot.

      When I went through boot camp everyone in my company fired 5 rounds of 45ACP from the old Colt (or other manufacturer) 1911. The 5 of us who managed to actually hit the paper with at least 4 of the 5 rounds were invited to attempt to qualify. The other 95 or so in the company likely never fired a weapon in service again.

      I suspect L Ron received a familiarization course with a pistol but probably not the rifle. A familiarization course is not sufficient to qualify for the ribbon.

      It’s more difficult to achieve competency with the handgun. The rifle is much more forgiving of errors in technique. Mastery of both requires considerable effort and time, I don’t know where L Ron would have found the time and permission to pursue those qualifications, although it’s possible his superiors preferred him anywhere but underfoot and sent him off to the nearest range forthwith.

      • Eclipse-girl

        Thank you I am glad you answered and Ibby took the time to answer the question

        • Sergeant Pepper

          You’re welcome. Your father’s preference for the rifle is a common sentiment among those who we require to bear arms. I thank him for his sacrifice.

          • Eclipse-girl

            I am grateful to all who have served.

  • my other Veteran’s Day haiku here: http://tonyortega.org/2014/11/11/kim-poff-fired-by-oklahoma-agency-after-stories-including-ours-described-scientology-dispute/#comment-1687712584 and many thanks to joan nieman for reminding me about tommy boy’s medal of valor! that inspired the following tweets! πŸ™‚

    Medal of Valor
    @TomCruise possesses, for his
    first class ass kissing.
    @scientology #AssKissingInBrownNosingSense #DoubleEntendres #haiku

    Cruise has no valor.
    Just a mask of niceness with
    no substance under.
    @tomcruise @scientology #MedalOfValor #sham #haiku

    @TomCruise should free slaves
    whom sci church human trafficks
    THAT would be a start
    #scientology #NotMedalWorthyThough #haiku

    Just a fake medal
    From a fake church to fake man
    Feeding his ego
    @tomcruise @scientology #MedalOfValor #haiku #fake

  • Brief mention of Scientology in the murder trial of sicko Luka Magnotta. The question if he was or wasn’t a Scientologist is irrelevant to the trial, but it’s a shame that the details of his claims will never be seen by anyone who could evaluate them.

    http://montreal.ctvnews.ca/magnotta-s-medical-records-on-display-at-first-degree-murder-trial-1.2095361

    Various reports from Sooriabalan highlight some bizarre moments: Magnotta told the doctor at one point about having joined Scientology. Later, in August 2007, Magnotta complained he was the subject of published rumours linking him to schoolgirl killer Karla Homolka. He also lashed out at his father and often expressed concerns he was being followed or watched by unknown people.

    • ze moo

      Luka has demonstrated all the characteristics of paranoid schizophrenic. No matter what that case decides, he is in for a long stint in someones psych ward. Will $cientology go to bat for him?

  • Mark

    My sincere apologies for trespassing on Observer-territory, but this is the only sort of gun-battery I can see Tubbo ever manning (refresh, while holding nose):

    • Observer

      Hahaha, I love it!

      I’m not in the least territorial. The more truth and J&D the better!

      • Mark

        Thanks, Obs πŸ™‚

    • Retro Snortimer = Bonus!

      • i-Betty

        Retro Snortimer! I’m weeping with glee πŸ˜€

      • Mark

        That would be Snortimer’s great-great-great-great uncle (thrice removed) Schnaubfried Schweinswert πŸ˜‰

        • So great!

        • ze moo

          The pig flys, but the bigger pig tries to look like a tough guy.

    • Baby

      Hhahahahah OMG.. look at snortimer..He’s looking like.. ” WTF ya big fat liar ” Priceless Mark!

  • FollowTheMoney

    L Ron’s self aggrandising version of his service is something a great many of us find repellant. To provide a contrast with one of his contemporaries, I thought I’d post something I came across the other day. It’s a YouTube video of Douglas Fairbanks Jnr, one of Hollywood’s great swashbuckling movie stars of the 30’s and 40’s, being asked about his service during WWII, particularly in relation to any injuries he might have received during action. Now to put this in context, he served with British commando unit under the Queens uncle and was then transferred to the U.S. Navy as a Lieutenant where he instigated the development of a specialist unit called the Beach Jumpers whose job it was to draw enemy fire by simulating beach landings so that the real assault could occur safely elsewhere. He saw action in 4 of the 5 years of the war and for that received the U.S. Medal of Honor with bronze V (Valor), the Italian War Cross for Military Valor, France’s Legion of Honor and Croix de Guerre, and Britain’s Distinguished Service Cross and a Silver Star for Valor for the sinking of an enemy ship while in command of a division of US PT boats and British Motor Gun Boats. Take a look at what he says when asked to talk about his injuries. It comes at around 1:40 In the video and lasts for about 20 seconds.

    This is what a true American war hero does when asked about his time in action…..

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=282ZWaxMMi

    • i-Betty

      The video didn’t play for me here but I’m so glad I searched for it on YT. What a lovely, lovely man. I don’t really know anything about him so I can only take him at face value from this video but he is a) gorgeous. Those eyes!, b) humble, c) a fantastic story-teller. I’m a little bit in love πŸ™‚ Also: Raquel Welch. There’s an overdose of great genes in that studio.

      • FollowTheMoney

        Agreed, iB. He is in fact the embodiment of all those qualities Mr Hubbard claimed to have and that his ‘affirmations’ showed that he so desperately wanted.

        BTW, I watched all of your St Hill vids avidly. What an experience! I was fascinated. Is the assault on Irish John being followed up?

        • i-Betty

          Thanks so much, I’m really glad you enjoyed them! I was really just along for the ride, and so grateful for the opportunity. We wait and see where the assault on John takes us πŸ˜€

      • MaxSpaceman

        Hollywood Royalty, iBetty. One of the very few offspring of a superstar who equaled parent’s success and renown. Douglas Fairbanks, Jr. — https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRjxlwxrQ6I

    • Satansthetan

      Quite a contrast indeed! But Janis Joplin, giving literary tips, priceless….

    • Baby

      What a class act! and Janis? She’s my girl..

    • Missionary Kid

      Correction: Douglas Fairbanks Jr. did NOT win the Medal of Honor. The rest of what you wrote about him appears to be true. He didn’t make the claim, so there’s no stolen valor.

      He definitely is modest.

      • FollowTheMoney

        You are quite correct, MK, he was awarded the Legion of Merit not, as you pointed out, the Medal of Honor. Will go back and edit to clarify. Cheers.

        • Missionary Kid

          I figured it was an honest mistake. If he was awarded a Medal of Honor, I would have remembered it.

          I contrast Hubbard’s Navy service with that of Eddie Albert. From Wikipedia: He [Albert] was awarded the Bronze Star with Combat “V” for his actions during the invasion of Tarawa in November 1943, when, as the pilot of a U.S. Coast Guard landing craft, he rescued 47 Marines who were stranded offshore (and supervised the rescue of 30 others), while under heavy enemy machine-gun fire.

          The Tarawa landing for the Marines was one big screw up, and we lost a lot of them, but there’s 77 Marines who lived because Albert braved enemy fire to pull them out. Albert was interviewed about the landing on the History Channel, and he was quite modest and disappointed that he couldn’t have saved more lives. That’s a hero.

          • FollowTheMoney

            Yep, the humility of the guys who really we’re in the thick of things is incredibly moving. I didn’t mean to offend with my boo boo. I couldn’t cut and past from Wikipedia for my entry so was trying to remember all the info in one go. Hence the glitch.

  • Missionary Kid

    Ron Hubbard did more for the enemy by being such a screw-up than he ever did for the Navy.

  • . . .

    • i-Betty

      Magnificent. Please may I pinch it, Nat?

    • Robert Eckert

      Oklahoma is shaped like a tomahawk for a reason.

      • Missionary Kid

        I always thought it resembled a meat cleaver.

  • Bob

    The reason Ron set everything up they way he did is very clear if you’ve ever been around him. He loved the adoration and having a rapt audience. That was his food, drink, sex and entertainment. When he went underground, his health and what was left of his sanity departed quickly. Money was the energy he needed to keep that going. He genuinely believed he was doing good and was clever enough to get a result that would hook people into his organizations. What drove him though was the admiration he got, that he never received until he became a self help guru and the founder of a modern day quasi religion. (Cult).
    If he was greedy for anything it was fame, admiration and power over people. And that’s why he lied and lied and kept on lying till he died.

    • Missionary Kid

      When people claim that Ron didn’t try to acquire wealth, I would point to his little fake navy, which was an expression of his vanity, and really had no purpose but to allow him to preen around while he was avoiding the authorities.

      • Bob

        Hubbard wanted wealth to build an empire that would adore him. But wealth was not his final goal.

        • Eclipse-girl

          But it was a goal.
          He also wanted to smash his name into history.

          • Bob

            Of course. But it was a purpose to achieve the goal you just mentioned. Not an end in itself.

        • Missionary Kid

          Instead of toy boats in the bathtub, he had his fake Navy that he sailed around the ocean. The Co$ was footing the bill.

          • Bob

            Correction, us clams were footing the bill.

            • Missionary Kid

              I’ve posted it elsewhere, but you’re exactly right. You paid for all of his very expensive hobbies that he really didn’t know shit about, for example, making movies.

            • Bob

              What do you mean. He was the underdiscoverd Speilberg!

            • Missionary Kid

              In his own mind he was convinced he was great. Spielburg at the age of 10 was making more interesting films with his super 8 camera.

              Mr. Munchkin, (now Captain Munchkin) who was a cameraman for the Red Plague, holds out that he knows more about sound systems than anyone else. The only person he’s impressed is TC.

              Both were/are amateurs whose efforts would be laughed off a sound stage by any professional.

              IIRC, Hubbard was supposed to be making a movie that would bring forth a huge awakening to the wog world when he was making movies in the Coachella Valley before everything was moved close to Hemet. Gee, whatever happened to that production?

              Note: New nicknames for DM & LRH: Mr. Munchkin/Captain Munchkin and Red Plague.

            • Bob

              Mr. Hubbards attempts at making movies were ridiculed when we clams saw them. No one but Seaborgs gave them any credence. We hated his film work.

            • Missionary Kid

              I’m wondering who, if anyone, would tell LRH about someone’s opinion.

        • Baby

          AND POWER..AND FAME..

          ” Smashing my name in history..” ( paraphrasing the sick bastard)

      • He could also afford the cameras, movie cameras and the like. Also, professional-level studio equipment, although he could only produce sonic drek with it, thanks to his goofy ideas about music and recordings.

        http://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy294/swissfinger/ApolloStars.jpg

        • Missionary Kid

          Yup, as Bob put it, the clams paid for a lot of his toys.

    • i-Betty

      I mean no disrespect when I ask you this Bob, I hope you know that. I’m interested. Do you really believe that he genuinely thought he was doing good?

      • Bob

        Yes, it’s the only way he could commit the crimes against humanity. Hitler also thought he was doing good.

        • 1subgenius

          I agree. We all think our shit don’t stink.
          Lenny Bruce did a bit blaming it on Hitler’s advisors.
          Hitler would turn to them and ask, “How am I doing?”
          And they’d reply “You’re doin’ a great job, the people love you.”
          Which was not only what he wanted to hear, but why he did what he did.
          Like Hubbard, adoration Call it love.

          • Bob

            Hubbard had only one type of love and he wrote a bulletin on it and emphasized it. In context is would be fine, but it’s all he practiced. Self love.

            • TheQueenofBulgravia

              “malevolent/malignant self love”

              Narcissistic Personality Disorder is characterized by a long-standing pattern of grandiosity (either in fantasy or actual behavior), an overwhelming need for admiration, and usually a complete lack of empathy toward others. People with this disorder often believe they are of primary importance in everybody’s life or to anyone they meet. While this pattern of behavior may be appropriate for a king in 16th Century England, it is generally considered inappropriate for most ordinary people today.

              http://psychcentral.com/disorders/narcissistic-personality-disorder-symptoms/

            • Bob

              The “complete lack of empathy” with him cannot be overemphasized. It transfers to his Seaborg robots and to Sciebots.

          • Artoo45

            This is the toxic brew that deranges the wealthy, powerful and celebrated. Take the case of Michael Jackson. Talented yet broken by his father’s cruelty, when he became incredibly wealthy, there was nobody left to tell him “no.” No, whittling your nose down to a nub is bad idea. No, having sleepovers with young boys is a bad idea. No, spending all your money is a bad idea. No, taking all those meds can kill you.

            By the time Hubbard was over in England and the money was finally rolling in for good, he’d surrounded himself with an army of yes men that he created with his “tech.” No wonder he believed his own crap in the end. His godhood was reinforced on a daily basis and anyone who didn’t toe the line was offloaded. Sounds familiar, no?

        • Eileen

          They don’t believe they are doing good, but rather what is necessary or expedient. For the “greater good”

          • Bob

            Exactly.

            • Satansthetan

              but surely in his case the ‘greater good’ was lining his pockets and being worshipped by dupes who he really couldn’t stand?

      • Sam Domingo

        Even if he did manage to convince himself he wasn’t a monster (much harder sell to everyone else) he died a victim of his own creation screaming about BTs and asking ‘Sarge’ to build him an E Meter to kill both him and his BTs. Karma is a bitch.

        • i-Betty

          A vengeful bitch and she rarely forgets.

    • Eclipse-girl

      I agree with you that Ron craved adoration.

      I disagree with you that he genuinely believed he was doing good.

      He had not developed the “art of writing” like many of his fellow authors from the 1930s
      He was losing the respect of several friends / acquaintance due to his “poor soldier” routine.

      He needed a new way to make money.
      He did say and write that making an religion was a way to make money.

      He knew it was con. He did NOT tolerate dissent.
      It was all about him, and the money.

      • Bob

        Did you ever meet him? He believed he was going to save the planet. He may have started out knowing that he was doing it to make a big splash.
        As I said to MK, Hubbard believed he was doing good the same way Hitler did. There came a point where he genuinely started to believe in his own lies.

        • Dylan

          I tend to believe this as well. Sounds like his most Destructive Minion is following the same path.

          • Bob

            If you look at the studies of psychopaths, the always believe their motives a re good or vital.

            • Dylan

              its the environment that breeds this type of behavior. When I was working with all the “TOP Exec’s” they were all trying to act just like LRH. Hell, so was I, as a messenger, it was drilled into us daily. you really love to hate what you start to become. I strange way to grow.

            • Bob

              Yes, that’s what Hubbard want. Greatest form of flattery is to copy someone else.

            • Eclipse-girl

              I fully admit I have not looked at studys og psychopaths. I keep wanting to get the book that has been recommended – The Psychopath Next Door.

              Its interesting to me that you are calling him a psychopath.

            • Bob

              He was the worst kind. The one who looks totally rational and successful while he buries you.

            • Eclipse-girl

              I am not a psychologist and so maybe I am using the terms in error.
              I would describe Ron as a sociopath rather than psychopath.

            • Baby

              E they are pretty interchangeable in today’s lexicon .. It depends on the Professional doing the diagnosis ..

            • Eclipse-girl

              Thanks.
              I think of the Demented Midget as a psychopath because of incidents of beating his underlings.
              I know Hubbard ordered a lot of brutal stuff. But I am not aware if he actually beat his own underlings or ordered others to get their hands dirty.

            • L. C. Spencer

              I agree with you that sociopath sounds more on type, but otherwise I think Bob’s got something there. Ron has a lot in common with Joseph Smith, though Smith was a lot more mentally healthy. (They had apparently boundless charisma and loved regaling followers with an entertaining tall tale or stunt, and of course they were the great womanizers.)

              If you want an interesting, O/T but pertinent bit of side reading, I can strongly recommend Fawn Brodie’s “No Man Knows My History,” an incredibly good bio of Smith in which she describes how his combined drive for success and craving for an audience and admiration drove him to begin by perpetrating a hoax and end by sacrificing himself for the sake of the hoax. He believed his own stories in the end and died for them, and like Ron he dedicated himself to an incredible amount of work in support of them, endlessly writing, embellishing, updating and teaching on them. Brodie uses a psychological hypothesis called “The Imposter” to describe the process whereby a con man ends up devoured by his own con, needing to present himself to others with a heightened, false persona and ending by transitioning to it completely. I think this hypothesis is the one that best describes Ron as well.

              The Mormon church today is a lot more wholesome than Scientology, because Smith had a cheerful disposition and lacked Ron’s paranoia, anger issues and need to punish. The two institutions reflect their founders. But the parallels are there, and striking. Anyone who’s interested in Hubbard can gain something by studying Smith, I think, just for that hypothesis.

            • Eclipse-girl

              Joe was a lying conman of the 19th century and Ron was a lying conman of the 20th century.
              I have always thought they had a lot in common.

              I will look for that book. Thanks

            • L. C. Spencer

              Yeah, she’s in Krakauer — you pretty much can’t write any Mormon history without bringing her in. Poor thing, all she and Juanita Brooks wanted to do was be good historians. They weren’t even trying to stir anything up.

            • Eclipse-girl

              When searching her name, I found some 2012 article that was very kind to her, but there are mormon apologists who think she was all wrong.
              Its a shame.
              My personal opinion of Mormonism is that is it is also a con, a scam.
              And the apologists who say think just who nice the individuals are and not grasping the point.

            • 1subgenius

              As do just about all of us. We all justify and rationalize everything we do.
              Maybe its a matter of degree of disconnect between the actions, viewed objectively and the stated motive. And the degree that the definition of “good motive” matches what is commonly held to be such.
              And then throw in the concept of the ends justifying the means.

            • i-Betty

              I’m beginning to understand where you’re coming from. Thanks for taking the time to explain to me, Bob.

            • Bob

              Sure.

      • FollowTheMoney

        Having heard the tape recorded session of Mary Sue auditing Hubs, I came to the conclusion that he genuinely believed the e meter was identifying disembodied space aliens. I suspect that he might have begun with elements of a con and then at some point swallowed his own Kool aid.

  • Vaquera

    This $cio display would make me angry any day of the year, but today I’m especially pissed off.
    Scientology LA, Sunset Blvd. Photo posted on Instagram an hour ago. (refresh)

    • lucille austero

      Bastards. Sad face.

      • i-Betty

        Wankers. Cross face.

    • ItsIBBy

      #!%^$%@##$^&^$%&#^&#^&#$%^$^&

      NO. Just one big fucking NO.

      Ask any soldier who has been lucky enough to get properly treated just how evil those psychs are… the ones that have helped them out of the dark, and started them on the path to functioning lives post trauma.

      Fuck you Scientology. FFFFFFFFFFFFF You!!

      • Eclipse-girl

        My friend works the graveyard shift at her VA handling the phones and chat lines to help our veterans. It is a tough job, emotionally. She is proud of her work and she should be.

        • ItsIBBy

          Your friend does good work. Please please extend my gratitude to her. My coworker is an Afghan vet with severe PTSD. Our team (there are 4 of us including him) have all kind of adopted him and worked together to create a comfortable space for him so that he can feel even a little comfortable with normality

    • Dylan

      this is wrong in so many ways.

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      Like this crap I saw by the side of the road here in Florida….

      • hatetomcruise

        where at in Florida? I might have to do some vandalizing he he

        • Sam Domingo

          Shocked the US military doesn’t have something to say about what the cult is accusing them of.

          • i-Betty

            I think the thing is that scientology in general is so small it just doesn’t register on their radar. I asked my Swedish psychiatrist friends how they felt about being on the verge of destruction thanks to scientology and after a bit of bewilderment and some prompting they finally realised I was talking about “that Tom Cruise thing” and had a good belly laugh.

            So I guess the answer is, no, they don’t fully appreciate the looming proximity of their imminent demise, which I thought was rather wonderful πŸ˜€

            Scientology means a great deal to us, but they’re a gnat on the armpit of humanity in real terms. How embarrassing for them.

            • MrsLurksALot

              To quote Jenny Linson Devocht, “no one cares.” About Scientology, that is. If only they knew that in the Wog world, they were a laughingstock, at best. If not, then they are unknown. So, butt of jokes or unknown. I have never encountered anyone with something positive to say about CoS, when I’ve brought it up in conversation.

              Confession: I bore my friends, family and coworkers with CoS facts…..eyes have rolled. But, people need to know and I’ll keep spreading the word.

            • i-Betty

              I love it when you come out of Lurkness, Mrs. It’s great to see you πŸ™‚

            • MrsLurksALot

              Thank you, you are too kind. I love your phrasing, “come out of Lurkness.” I’m gonna steal that, lol!

            • Missionary Kid

              I’ve added, “They’re a gnat on the armpit of humanity in real terms. How embarrassing for them.” to the list of THINGS SAID ABOUT $CIENTOLOGY & DIANETICS http://tonyortega.org/2014/06/12/more-proof-of-kerri-kasems-scientology-involvement-and-laura-prepon-lies-like-a-rug/#comment-1439059448

          • Missionary Kid

            For the most part, they probably ignore it. There’s a lot of nutty billboards out there.

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          Perry of all places!

          • DeElizabethan

            Outrageous! Someone doing an amends project, or are they just trying it out in a small city first to see what happens?

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              There is a Scion Eye Doctor in Perry. Someone put the details on him up before. I am sure he sponsored this shit.

            • Sid

              He probably paid CCHR 10 times what the billboard cost.

            • Missionary Kid

              If he runs his practice like Co$ runs its business, he’s probably blinded a few people.

            • DeElizabethan

              Thanks, me girl!

      • Vaquera

        I just noticed the top billboard. Karma.

    • hatetomcruise

      what does FNFMV stand for? Are they trying to say that meds for PTSD, depression, etc… are what causes mass shootings and suicide? If so, this is beyond offensive and reprehensible. My father and brother both committed suicide because they wouldn’t seek help and get meds. I’m still fascinated that anyone with a working brain cell could buy into such ridiculous bullshit spewed out by this cult.

      • lucille austero

        “ENEMY”

        • hatetomcruise

          Oh, who is the enemy? Don’t mean to sound stupid…

          • lucille austero

            The sign says, “The Hidden Enemy Behind the shootings and suicides” meaning the drugs prescribed by medical professionals (oops, I mean Evil Psychs) are causing great harm to our troops.

            ETA: I don’t think you are stupid πŸ™‚

            • MaxSpaceman

              and visit gotogoogleisyourfriendandurbandictionarytoo. com

            • lucille austero

              Ha ha ha!!

            • hatetomcruise

              I thought so, but feeling a little dense because I couldn’t see it very well. How wrong, especially today when we should be celebrating and honoring our veterans, instead of looking for fresh meat.

            • lucille austero

              I agree. $cientology: Always Inappropriate.

            • Missionary Kid

              I changed that to, “Scientology: Always Inappropriate.” and I’ve collected it for the list of things said about $cientology and Dianetics.

          • Eclipse-girl

            ALL psychiatrists / psychologists are the enemy according to scientology

            • hatetomcruise

              thank you, I kind of knew that but didn’t realize they stooped so low to go after the men and women of the armed forces who absolutely need mental health professionals and very often medication.

            • Eclipse-girl

              Every one is a target. Every one is prey.

              Who cares if the service people actually need some help… They are prey in the eyes of scientology

            • lucille austero

              I know. Keep repeating to yourself: “It’s always worse than you think.”

            • Missionary Kid

              Ironically, they are their own worst enemy.

      • i-Betty

        Oh my god. I’m so sorry…

      • romanesco

        It’s just bad design. It looks like “FNFMV,” But it’s supposed to say, “ENEMY.” It’s an ad for a video they’ve been advertising heavily through Google ads that claims just what you suspect, and worse. The title is “The Hidden Enemy. ” You can find it on YouTube. Basically it claims our veterans are harmed by psychiatric help and counseling.

        • Eclipse-girl

          and you know that our service persons deserve better than such clap trap.

  • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

    Alexa update for November 11: *refresh for images*

    Tony: US rank #32,467 – down 430 from yesterday. (Average rank last 3 months: 21,802)
    scientology: US rank #54,266 – down 223 from yesterday. (Average rank last 3 months: 61,392)

    Difference: 21,799 – 207 less than yesterday. (Average difference last 3 months: 39,590)

    Clicks from India – 8,9% today.

  • nottrue

    ……. OT8 brought down the Berlin Wall….http://youtu.be/uAWPxPp3WEk

    • Sid

      OT 8 can bring down your bank balance, your credit rating, your sanity, and your social standing outside of Scientology. Why not a little brick wall?

  • George Hamar

    Seriously? Especially today? As a former reservist (Canadian Army Reserve – Militia), this really pisses me off. Claiming glory is bad enough – lying is way worse. This insults real military personnel; those who have seen action, and especially those who were wounded or worse, were killed in action.
    Honour the true heroes.

    • Eclipse-girl

      Have you read Scientology’s war bio of Fatboy Ron?

      It is enough to make you vomit.

      Chris Owen wrote an excellent article about Ron in the war.
      http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Cowen/warhero/intro.htm

      Although there is an Indie who has taken umbrage at Mr Owen’s work.
      She wrote her own ideas up about what Ron did while in Australia, where the official record is spotty.
      I am not linking it here. You should be able to search for it under her name, Margaret Lake

      • L. C. Spencer

        Looked it up. UGH. Smarmy and disingenuous.

        Edit: M. Lake, I mean. Chris Owen’s “Ron the War Hero” should have won its own medal.

        • Eclipse-girl

          One of the reasons why I did not link it.
          I have read it.
          She looks at the absence of evidence as evidence

          • L. C. Spencer

            “She looks at the absence of evidence as evidence.”

            Such a typical Scilon way of handling entheta. It’s not just evidence, it’s PROOF of a CONSPIRACY!!

        • Missionary Kid

          You’re too kind about LRH.

          • L. C. Spencer

            Huh, who me? When did I say a kind word about the Ol’ Blowhard?

            • Missionary Kid

              You didn’t say a kind word. I was being ironic. He always deserved the worst. πŸ˜‰

  • Panopea Abrupta

    Red-X Red-X Red-X

    Lord Hubris of Tilden was a coward who ran whenever his lard-ass was on the line.

    He ran from Sara.
    He ran from England.
    He ran from Rhodesia and Morocco.
    He ran from Crete.

    And when he finally risked coming back to the USA,
    he ran and ran and ran.
    Here’s to your continued Purif Rundown in the deepest darkest hell, Your Thetanic Majesty.

    Run these bums outta town:

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-Kvg78kCcvo5gL7UfPcmhmbsagTNtdj0y2LAiHVFrCU/pubhtml#

    And Distilled Malevolence, YOU won’t have anywhere to run to.
    TICK TOCK

    • aegerprimo

      RED Xed, and tick tock.

  • PRenaud

    My father fought in the Korean War and was granted “The Purple Heart” when he saved other soldiers from a blast, to think that Hubbard takes the credit makes me want to puke, how can the governments allow this.

    • Missionary Kid

      It has been ruled that as long as they don’t use it to take financial advantage, it’s considered free speech.

      Edit: they rewrote the law recently. The new law hasn’t been tested.

      • Eclipse-girl

        I thought it was still illegal to claim that you won various honors.

        I still think that ruling has done a disservice to our veterans.
        I don’t usually want to limit speech, but I think lying about a service record should be considered a treasonous offense.

        • Missionary Kid

          I edited my post to include that they rewrote the law to take care of constitutional concerns, but I don’t know if it’s been challenged in court yet.

          • Eclipse-girl

            It doesn’t change my opinon.

            People lie. I understand that.
            You still aren’t allowed to yell FIRE in a crowded theater unless there is a fire.
            I guess I just feel that military / armed guard service is kind of special duty that one gave to this nation. That type of speech is to protected.

            • Missionary Kid

              Public shaming is the best thing that could happen to someone. I edited my post above to tell about a local who claimed to be a former Marine, and had his picture taken with celebs at different events. He was arrested and charged, but because of the Supreme Court ruling on the existing law, the charges were dropped.

              That didn’t help him with his career at a bank or with the locals. The locals wanted blood, and the bank fired him. You can’t have someone dishonest working in a bank. I doubt he’ll be able to continue his career somewhere else.

            • Eclipse-girl

              Someone like Ronnie would be angry that he was caught and blame it on the person who caught it.

              A few months later Ron would be telling the same BS, and few would ever be fact checking

            • Missionary Kid

              The internet has been a great source for debunking fakes. It’s not just LRH’s reputation that has suffered by fact checking.

              Unfortunately, there are people who want to believe, so they’re ripe for all sorts of urban legends and cons that are promulgated by the internet..

    • Missionary Kid

      To add, there was a guy locally who even dressed up in a Marine Uniform and claimed to be a veteran. He lost his job at the bank he worked at when it was discovered that he’d never been what he claimed.

    • Baby

      Well your dad is a true hero PR.. you must be proud..

    • Eclipse-girl

      Baby is correct. Be proud.

  • i-Betty

    Corrected contact details for Oklahoma Dept. of Human Services to complain about the department’s disgraceful treatment of Kim.

    With thanks to Elar Aitch, Brenda and Lynn Fountain πŸ™‚

    (Refresh)

    • aegerprimo

      Perfect for Veteran’s Day.

    • Missionary Kid

      Thanks for the last piece on James Randi, including his expose’s on Uri Geller, and faith healer Peter Popoff. In the piece, Popoff is exposed, and declares bankruptcy. Unfortunately, he’s back on late night cable television on a small scale. I don’t think he’s doing faith healing, but it’s still a con.

  • Baby

    O/T
    Does anyone have any info about this site.. I was snooping and found it..( Or is it Old news?)

    https://jimmyriverdc.wordpress.com/

  • Vaquera
    • Baby

      YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS! GET THE NEWS OUT!

    • Baby

      Face bookers comment please..

    • Tony Ortega

      I talked to Gary tonight, and he said that it will be another week before he gets the report. I’ve updated the story above.

  • HeatherGraceful

    Lol. “Aborigine” is not a language. Should read “in an aboriginal language”.

  • Baby
    • Eclipse-girl

      material for shoopers.

    • Barbara Angel

      Big difference between a sexual shoops of blubbard receiving a blow job from his favourite psychopath, which is great for a laugh. Anything that mocks those two is definitely funny. Whereas the *endless stream* of women characterised with enormous breasts hanging out of a scanty costume, is childish and boring. And I’m fucking sick of it.
      Why was ‘Wonder Woman’ drawn that way and why didn’t superman have a giant dong hanging out of his tights? Which could be repeated for decades and decades and decades and we could all keep smirking and giggling. Even those of us, who are over 12 years old might smirk and giggle.
      Thanks in advance::: to whoever is going to present a shoop of Superman with a giant dong.
      Yep, in fact I’m smirking and giggling in anticipation of such a classy image.

      • Eileen

        ??? You are sick of sexualized images of women, but requesting superman with a schlong? You must be a hard woman to please πŸ™‚

        • Barbara Angel

          *A good man is hard to find, but a hard man is good to find*. And if being true to cartoon characters why hasn’t “Soupa” Man been portrayed as having a “Soupa” Schlong?
          Or is it only women who can be characterised with “Soupa” breasts?
          Moving away from the ‘herd think’ really isn’t that difficult, but does require thinking first and showing some general *respect* for the objects of ridicule.

      • Jo

        Angel, I’m not smirking or giggling. I kind of got confused when you posted this before. I grew up playing resident evil and never thought about the booby thing. I’m guessing it’s art?

        • Barbara Angel

          OK Jo, it probably began as an art form, but why have endless cartoon drawings of huge breasts as a reminder for Red-Xing? I’m fucking sick of it.
          Yes women do have breasts, it’s a fact of life, but why endless images of same?
          Do we really need to see this everywhere?

      • Eileen

        I don’t know if you have seen the last couple of weeks of RedX art. They are spectacular, without the boob effect that you didn’t like.

        • Barbara Angel

          Well finally, a bit of ***RESPECT*** for the female gender/anatomy.
          Should I bow with gratitude that someone has Finally shown some Maturity at last?
          The Red-X reminders and links are great and make it quick and easy when pressed for time. My bad: For being fucking sick of pictures of women with huge breasts. (sarcasm)

          • Barbara Angel

            Thank you Graham for the support and for not being one of the ‘herd’. Women’s grossly exaggerated and surgically enlarged breasts are used repeatedly, to sell anything from shampoo to auto-mobiles, so much so, that the ‘herd mentality’ can’t see that this could possibly be demeaning.
            Even women have somehow become immune to being demeaned in this way.

      • Captain Howdy

        Barbara, i grew up on Playboy and Vargas and I refuse to feel guilty about it and i refuse to “progress” with someone”s groovy vision of what a perfect society is supposed to be.

        “When I hear the word culture, I reach for my revolver”

        • Frodis73

          Love Vargas’s stuff! Society has too many hangups about sex.

          • Captain Howdy

            I don’t have a problem with the hang-ups because one of the things that makes sex so much fun is the smuttiness that’s associated with it. The hippies helped ruin that by reducing it to the level of a bodily function.

            “Sex without sin is like waffles without syrup”

            • Jo

              I usually eat waffles and beans.

            • Baby

              Girl..I am dying..

              I was craving cucumbers .. today..So I had to have some protein hmmm

              I had 3 boiled eggs and 1 huge cuke.. and dipped them in Hellman’s and sugar mixed..

              Between my belching and farting my husband has left the building…

            • Jo

              What’s cuke? Not sure what that is, but now I’m hungry. Hoping it isn’t a mix of carrot and cake, I love carrot cake.

            • Baby

              cucumber silly.. ugh.. I never want to see one again.. Lovin carrot cake.. We had it for our wedding cake! So have it every anniversary.

            • Jo

              Sweet, would love a cake once a year. Mr Jo just got bread machine, If I’m lucky I guess I might get toast x

            • Captain Howdy

              You must be English because I know the English eat pork & beans for breakfast.

            • Jo

              Bacon, bacon and more bacon.

            • Baby

              Sex without sin is my marriage..hahaha

              Wait..Wait.. My marriage without sex is a sin!

            • Frodis73

              I def get what your saying & agree, to an extent. I think you know what I mean though…I know too many ppl that are a it wacky about it and don’t enjoy it…or if/when they do, beat themselves up about it. It’s just part of being human, ppl should enjoy it & not feel guilty if they do. I know you get what I’m aiming for. πŸ˜€

            • Captain Howdy

              I know what you’re saying and as per usual take my original comment with a grain of salt due to me stirring the pot for the hell of it.

            • Frodis73

              And that’s why we love you here.

        • Baby

          I agree with you Howdy.. Boobs are like topless waitresses..You see one ya see ’em both.

          I drew pinups for a long time.. and I have a Vargas Book..on my coffee table..

          • Frodis73

            Baby, you are so cool.

            • Baby

              Doggie.. When I was in the fourth grade I ventured up to our attic and found my dad’s old suitcase. While snooping I found an old deck of cards with DIRTY pictures of women..

              They were Vargas girls..hahahaa ( I didn’t find out until later of course..) have been intrigued with them ever since..

              I would love to have those cards now! Plus I bet they would be worth a small fortune..

            • Frodis73

              Yes, you would be sitting on a pretty penny. Wow. How funny, I was in fourth grade first time I came across porn. Nothing as cool as Vargas unfortunately! lol.

            • Baby

              ha.. Ya never forget your first porn..ha..We had just moved into our new ( Old) house..and of course had to snoop. I was transfixed and kept going back there.

              I just knew my dad was going to hell! ha..

            • Sydjazz
            • Baby

              Awww thanks kitteh..

        • Barbara Angel

          Not suggesting you feel guilty with your sophisticated choice of reading at all.
          Sorry to spoil your fantasy but, “Someone’s groovy vision of the perfect society” does not exist. Young females, due to the media bombardment of enormous breasts being the ‘must have’s’ if they want to be thought of as attractive and then subjecting themselves to having implants, is a health hazard for those females concerned.
          When you reach for your revolver be careful of foot bullets, you’ll end up with a limp.

      • Baby

        Barbara.. I love boobs..

        • Captain Howdy

          The world would have been a much more boring place without boobs.

          • Missionary Kid

            Gee, then how would children get nourishment for thousands of years?

        • EnthralledObserver

          So long as any size boob is accepted as ok. If ‘big’ is portrayed as better then I’m annoyed too. Young girls should not feel pressured into the need to have surgery to make them feel acceptable in today’s society, no matter how they justify that decision out loud (“I’m doing it for ‘me'” *cough* bullshit*cough*)!

          • TheQueenofBulgravia

            (“I’m doing it for ‘me'” *cough* bullshit*cough*)!….The solution is to buy the needy boyfriend/boob these. Then you go for a martini with the girls, with the Girls. There might be a really nice MAN there who has deeper values and a Big Brian not just a lil’ brian!

            http://images-en.busytrade.com/76645700/Silicone-breast-forms-mastectomy-prosthesis.jpg

          • Captain Howdy

            They must be natural. In my perfect world silicone would be outlawed!

        • Sydjazz

          Boobs are cool

        • Barbara Angel

          Good on Ya Baby…just thinking if most men had a pair, they could stand in front of the mirror and fondle their own, giggle and smirk while they jiggle their boobs.
          I’m just sick of the portrayal of huge boobs in cartoons, all over the media.
          Sadly look what this so called ‘norm’, (following the herd thinking) has done to the self-esteem of all the young girls/women getting boob jobs in order to be thought of as attractive. Having implants makes breast feeding very difficult and during Mammograms *Almost Impossible to Catch Breast Cancer Early Enough*, for successful treatment.
          But hey, what does that matter….Big plastic boobs are the ‘must have’s’ regardless of the health risks and regardless of how out of proportion and ugly they ‘can’ be.

  • Eclipse-girl

    I am listening to Fresh Air with Terry Gross. Her guest David Wood. A Huffington Post correspondent

    the interview is about Moral Injury. I think many WW II vets suffered from this.

  • Juicer77

    One more war story (sort of): at Pearl Harbor there is a museum with a collection of personal correspondence. One family saved all the letters from their son, even the envelopes carefully slitted open with a letter opener or knife. Except for one… the one from the War Department. That envelope was torn and ripped open. Their son would not be coming home. One of the most moving things I’ve ever seen. We will always remember.

    • Baby

      awww.. so very sad..

    • Captain Howdy

      My father was in WWII and Korea and later on when his drinking got the better of him he would talk about the one guy he knew he killed for sure and he would sob uncontrollably. even though he had no choice in the matter. War is hell.

      • Sergeant Pepper

        We can’t or won’t repair the emotional damage to the survivors of combat the way we rebuild infrastructure. It may be the largest cost of war.

        • Captain Howdy

          My father didn’t even want to go to Korea. He considered himself a socialist and he had already severed in WWII and he had this incredibly cush job as Chief Steward on a luxury liner The Lorlene that sailed from S.F to Hawaii, so when he got his draft notice he threw it in the trash. They came aboard the ship and arrested him, sent him to the stockade for a few months and asked him he wanted to stay there for the next 10 years or go to Korea. He went to Korea, became a Tank Sargent and won a Silver Star, Bronze Star and Purple Heart..and he killed a Chinese soldier with his bayonet. That’s the thing he really brought home.

          • TheQueenofBulgravia

            (((( Sargent Howdy and Captain Howdy ))))

            • Captain Howdy

              Thanks.

          • Sergeant Pepper

            That just reinforces my longstanding opposition to the draft.

            • Eclipse-girl

              WW II vets were not drafted for the Korean War. They were recalled.

            • Captain Howdy

              He was in the Merchant Marines during WWII, so I’m not sure how that worked.

            • Eclipse-girl

              My father was also recalled in 1951 for the war effort. He had been in the Army and then they used his education (The gov’t did pay for his grad school) to make weapons.

              he wasn’t sent to active duty.

            • Sergeant Pepper

              Perhaps he was one of the over 1.5 million conscripts chosen by the Selective Service System for that “police action” or perhaps his Merchant Marine service qualified him for recall.

    • Eclipse-girl

      I have my father’s letter home. Soldiers could rarely save letters. they didn’t have the space or time, if they were moving quickly.

      I have read them the. He would not tell his mother about the horrors of war, but he told his uncle, a WW I vet. I am lucky those letters are also included.

      His mother (my grandmother) also most of the letters from the man who became her husband. He joined the Army in 1914 / 1915 – was shipped to the Philippines. He enter ed WWI with ? the second wave of US personnel.

      I am grateful I took the time to read both sets of letters.

    • TheQueenofBulgravia

      During WW2, young boys delivered the Telegrams notifying Families of deaths. One was delivered to my Grandma about her 22 year old Son, Ray, who had lied about his age and joined at 16, which means he had served/been away 5 years. A few weeks later, my Aunt saw the same boy crying at the gate…he had another Official Telegram….She went out and comforted him…it was NOT about another death. The young boys were also HEROS, doing their sad duty at personal cost, with no recognition.

  • Golden Age of Blech

    My Grandfather was the world to me when I was a kid. Navy WWII Vet and Police Officer. Taught me how to be the man I am today. I can not thank him more for all the things he did for me and the whole world. I miss him more than I can describe… Cue the “Big Band Music”

    • TheQueenofBulgravia
    • Baby

      Absolutely fabulous pictures.. thank you.. and God Bless your Grandpa! Such memories he left behind!

      • Golden Age of Blech

        He told me he was there when they arrested The Boston Strangler. Along with 200 other cops! That was his favorite police story.
        Hope your “new” robe is super!
        I post on my phone during the day. It would not let me put these pics up till I got home to the laptop. πŸ˜‰

        • Baby

          Oh and I bet he told that story often and you never got tired of hearing it.. that is cool..

          Oh yes..yes.. I am in love with my robe. I would marry it if I could..ha.. and it’s all broken in for me. It’s like your favorite pair of old slippers.

          • Golden Age of Blech

            I get blue jeans from thrift stores for the same reason!

            • Baby

              Well, The Dude would! ha

            • Golden Age of Blech

              The Dude is as The Dude does.
              A tip of my White Russian to you, Babe!

            • Baby

              Ohhh haven’t had one of those for a long time.. Got a beer though.. Cheers..xo

            • Sydjazz

              Thrift stores rule πŸ™‚

    • Golden Age of Blech

      I was thinking more like…… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2Z1DWIgfCs#t=42

    • Frodis73

      What great pics.

  • Baby

    O/T but nice story..We need one now..It has been a heavy ( but heart warming day)

    I have been looking for a long heavy terry cloth robe.. but I’m on a budget.. and the nice ones are too expensive..

    I went to a tiny thrift shop just to see if I could find one and the Perfect robe was there.. and It had the Spa Name on it..so it was an expensive Spa Robe..( $3.00!)

    They only took cash.. I had none. I never have cash. I always use my debit card. sigh.. I asked them if they would take a check. Nope..

    So I said.. Well it wasn’t met to be..and walked out.. Well a woman ran after me ( customer) and said, ” Here Ya Go.. Just pass it forward! ”

    I am wearing it now.. and I’ve been smiling all day.. so will think of a good way to Pass it forward!

    • Eclipse-girl

      People are usually nice.

      I am glad you got the robe.

      • Baby

        Thank you E.. It is so soft.. I washed it when I got home and it was so fluffy and toasty.. I love it!

    • Missionary Kid

      Boy, was she out ethics, according to $cientology’s selfish rules. That just reminds me that a world with Hubbard’s rules would really be fucked. It also reminds me that Tory claims that kindness goes a long way to getting people to leave the chult. Thank goodness that Co$ is fading.

      It gives me pleasure when I can pass things forward, and I’ve been the beneficiary of kindness like that.

      • Frodis73

        Such assholes.

    • Sydjazz

      Paying it forward is so nice and makes the payer feel just as good if not better πŸ™‚

    • Sydjazz

      http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0223897/ pay it forward a great movie. If only scions did something that nice hey.

      • Baby

        OMG..Such a kleenex box cryin movie.. One of my favorites..

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      How very Out Exchange! Now, don’t you feel disrespected…???

      • TheQueenofBulgravia

        But warm and cosy….some things are just worth giving up self-esteem for!

  • Qbird

    Thank you all for the life stories recounted today Underground Bunker.

    http://youtu.be/EYGwxf1gCC4

  • if you could ever imagine Audrey Hepburn seducing you had to be converted into a taste…. it would taste like this….

    • Sydjazz

      Mmm yummy. I’d drink you

      • YOU’D GET A HANGOVER, LOL

        • Sydjazz

          Give me a straw and stand back lol

  • Baby

    After finding the camera.. putting batteries in.. finding the stupid step ladder in my hubby’s shed.. coming in finding my wig..and sunglasses.. Dayam..

    I couldn’t find the stupid cord to download on the computer.. So Here is my new robe! Woo hoo..( refresh)

    • Sydjazz

      Looking comfy baby

      • Baby

        Oh it is it is..

        I was waiting for my husband to wake up and say, ” What the hell are ya doing?” ha

    • Captain Howdy

      You’re much thinner then i would have guessed.

      • Baby

        Well that does it…Never takin the robe off! Nevah..

    • giggler

      Very fetching

      • Baby

        Hahahaha.. Don’t ya just love the Wig and the sunglasses! The robe is big..just like I love them..

        • giggler

          Giggling still

          • Baby

            I am still in my robe..hahaha

            My husband asked me this morning.. ” What is your wig doing on the Kitchen counter?” hahahaha

            I have a collection of wigs that I used when I was painting mannequins for department stores..

            That is my Alice in Wonderland wig.. ha

  • FOTF2012

    Hubbard should be lauded for his military accomplishments. He successfully attacked a Mexican island and tried to wipe out a known magnetic anomaly off the Oregon coast. So occupied was Hubbard with titling at windmills, that no doubt he was the original Don Quixote in a previous life.

    His battles with imaginary foes continued into his post-war years — the dreaded “psychs” (psychologists and psychiatrists), the AMA, SMERSH, body thetans, suppressive persons galore (any person who criticized Hubbard much less opposed him was such an “SP”), the IRS, the FDA, the FBI, the government in general, Xenu and the Markab, and to some extent the whole pitiful “wog world” — non-Scientologists — who were both to be pitied and to be recruited as “raw meat” to feed the OT making machine’s demands for cash flow.

    So three cheers for the Veteran Hubbard, who, not able to succeed in a real Navy, decided to make his own and call it the Sea Org. That will show them! Hip, hip, hooray!

    And thank you for your service.

    • Baby

      For He’s a Creepy Fat Liar..
      For He’s a Creepy Fat Liar..
      For He’s a Creepy Fat Liiiiiiiiar

      THAT NOBODY CAN DENY!

  • Sydjazz

    Hubbard you giant lying loser. Grr as an aussie i take great offence to what he said.

  • Charles Murdoch

    it would be nice if the military publicly admonished Hubbard and the organization for these horrendous lies. Once and for all put this mother f*cker in his place

    • deathtoallpoliticians

      i am an army vet (1st and 15th mechanized infantry division, delta dawgs, out of benning) and would love for the military to actively come out and dispute lrh’s imaginary military roles.

      btw, good to hear from you again, mr. ,murdoch. i hope that all is well and that your recovery from the co$ is proceeding on a rapid and sustainable pace. i look forward to your future posts and stories. stay well, my friend πŸ™‚

    • Frodis73

      Hey…why don’t they? Ok, I know they have more important things to do, but they have done it in the past. Granted those folks were alive & scamming ppl at the time. Is that it, cause he’s dead? Hmm…I wonder if that’s something a letter campaign would work for. I bet somebody already pursued this though.

      • Graham

        Hubbard: dead but still scamming.

  • Charles Murdoch

    And HI Bunerites! I’ve been off for about a week. Had alot on the plate!

    • Missionary Kid

      Glad to see you back.

  • Deeana

    The soldier I am honoring is my late husband who served as a combat Marine in Vietnam during 1967-1968. He was in some of the worst of the worst fighting. His unit, 2nd Bat. 1st Marines, was very highly decorated, receiving numerous Meritorious Unit Citations and a Presidential Unit Citation.

    Below is a photo of a monument in honor of all 2nd Bat. 1st Marine Vets, located at the Semper Fi Memorial Park, U. S. Marine Corp Museum, Quantico, Virginia. It was dedicated last Veterans Day. This is an absolutely wonderful museum and it is well worth visiting.

    Regarding LRH, over a year ago I personally reported his case to the official “Stolen Valor” website – in regard to the ribbons that were being claimed he was entitled to. I included the documentation showing his original DD214 (Discharge form) and the altered one that the Cof$ was bandying about. Plus the letter from the Navy Records Office.

    Many thanks to ALL veterans and current troops!

    • Missionary Kid

      Thank you.

      Because LRH is dead, there’s probably a low priority on nailing his ass, but it would be nice to see it done.

    • Frodis73

      Great to know he’s been reported. I’m sure they are afraid of the church too though.

    • aquaclara

      This is a great post. Thank you.
      Semper Fi.

    • Baby

      Deeana..What a sweet honor for your brave husband and the 2nd Bat. 1st Marines. What a beautiful monument.I would love to go to Virginia and visit.

      Thank you for sharing such a beautiful story.. I lost 2 class members ( grad. 1965) to this war.. I understand and as my father and mother would have said.. ” Semper Fi”

      I am sorry for your loss. Love baby

  • Douglas D. Douglas

    The witching hour is upon us…

    (refresh)

    • Missionary Kid

      It turns out that the number of the beast, 666, is incorrect. They’ve found earlier scripture that puts it at a different number, IIRC 656.

      • Captain Howdy

        That’s just evil trying to spoil people’s traditional fun like that.

        • Missionary Kid

          There are people who won’t go to an address that has 666 as the number. I’m making fun of the people who are absolutely sure that their bible is the literal truth, and that there are no mistakes in it.

          • Captain Howdy

            OK. I just remember hearing that they figured out it wasn’t 666 but some other number and I thought “what a bunch of killjoys”

            • Missionary Kid

              It’s OK. I get a laugh out of people’s superstitions that are based on the wrong information.

      • Robert Eckert

        616 is the variant.

        • Missionary Kid

          Thanks.

    • Captain Howdy

      3-D has crossed over to The Dark Side

      • stillgrace2

        Hah! Funny. What are you doing up, Captain?

        • Captain Howdy

          Woke up, couldn’t get back to sleep, decided to have a nightcap. What are you doing up at this ungodly hour?

          • stillgrace2

            I’m managing a little logistics crisis. I’ll be getting ready for work soon anyway, actually got some good sleep earlier after a 13 hour day, so it’s all good.

            • Captain Howdy

              I’m not even going to ask you what you do because I get the feeling you might have to kill me afterwards or something. For awhile there i was fantasizing you worked for the CIA.

            • stillgrace2

              That sounds much more exciting than my real life. This month I have come out of semi-retirement to be a technical trainer. It’s fun and big bucks.

            • Captain Howdy

              Kool. Just in time for the holidays.Now I’m going over to youtube to watch some antique automatic knife vids I found earlier. Nighty night.

            • stillgrace2

              Night! Have fun.

            • Jimmy3

              Common Responses From CIA Agents:

              – Hah! I wish that were the case. It sounds much more exciting than what I actually do…

              – I get that all the time! In reality, I’m semi-retired technical trainer…

              – You haven’t even touched your drink. Relax a bit! Come on. πŸ™‚

            • stillgrace2

              Ssshhhhh, Jimmy.

    • Jimmy3

      It has ripped a hole in the Bunker-Space Continuum. I’m going to change my pants before I begin praying…

    • Graham

      Mentioning 666 reminds me of this Norwegian TV prog in which they invite an American fundamentalist pastor to look at the state of religion in Scandinavia. At one point they put him up in hotel room 666 in an obvious attempt to see how he’ll react (To his credit it doesn’t phase him).

      Here’s the trailer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuDqEGlKOus

      If you want to see the 666 bit you’ll have to watch the full prog. There’s a link to it below the trailer on youtube. Although the full prog is in Norwegian a large portion of it is in English with Norwegian sub-titles.

  • Gus_Cox

    “…anti-aircraft battery… There was me and a Thompson submachine gun…”

    Gawd, if I were retired or otherwise had the time, I’d put together a compendium of the Fatman’s idiotic stories. I’d put all the stories he pulled out of his ass in one place, so the Flavoraid drinkers could see just what a lying sack of shit he was. I’d start with the one about how he “became a cop” (to find out what they were so afraid of!), and then the one about how he addressed all the physicists at Cal Tech and saved the world, and certainly this one. And there are so many more.

    As for this one, aside from his never having been there in the first place, what kind of idiot thinks he’s going to shoot down airplanes with a goddamned pistol round? The Thompson shoots the same exact cartridge as the US-issue Colt handgun of the time. That’s why it’s called a SUB-machine gun. Machine guns shoot rifle rounds (and larger); submachine guns shoot pistol rounds. Jee-zus, the Fatman and a fucking Thompson, that’s some “anti-aircraft battery.” Gawd, what a crock of hot, steaming shit.