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LAWSUIT: OKLAHOMA OFFICIALS HID WRONGDOING AT SCIENTOLOGY DRUG REHAB

Kim Poff

Kim Poff

An explosive lawsuit has been filed by a former Oklahoma state inspector general who says she was fired because, in part, she found evidence of illegal wrongdoing at Scientology’s drug rehab that her bosses then told her to hide.

Kimberly Poff was Inspector General at Oklahoma’s Department of Mental Health and Substance Abuse Services and had worked for the agency for more than 5 years and the state for more than 22 years when she and her employee Michael DeLong were asked to investigate recent deaths at Scientology’s flagship facility of its Narconon drug rehab network, Narconon Arrowhead. [UPDATE: DeLong is also suing, and we have his petition, below.]

According to her legal complaint, “As a result of their investigation, Ms. Poff and Mr. DeLong determined that the Narconon facility violated numerous state laws and recommended to leadership that the facility be shut down.” Her finalized report on the investigation was submitted by the fall of 2012.

But Poff alleges that her bosses attempted to “hide the findings” of her report by telling her to advise the department’s board of directors that “the report and investigation was still pending.”

Why? Because, Poff alleges, her bosses “buried the report, recommendations and findings of Ms. Poff & Mr. DeLong because the Department did not want to get involved in litigation involving the Church of Scientology.”

Poff says she complained about that, and she believes her principled stand was one of the reasons she was fired: “Ms. Poff & Mr. DeLong were very vocal in 2012 and 2013 about their objection to ODMHSAS’s decision to bury the report and Ms. Poff believes her objection to the decision to bury the findings of the Narconon investigation directly relate to her termination by the Department.”

Specifically, Poff says she was investigating the 2011 death of Gabriel Graves and the 2012 deaths of Hillary Holten and Stacy Murphy when she “determined that Narconon violated numerous state laws and recommended that the facility be shut down by” the state.

She alleges that the leadership of the department “was afraid to take on Narconon in litigation because there is significant financial backing of the facility by the church of Scientology.”

She’s also suing for sex and age discrimination, and alleges that another reason she was fired was related to her knowledge of sexual harassment complaints made against a supervisor. We’ve put in a call to Poff’s attorney, Rachel Bussett, and hope to get more detail soon.

Here are the petitions [NOW UPDATED WITH EXHIBITS]

 

Kimberly Poff v. Oklahoma Dept Mental Health: Petition w Exhibits

 
And here’s Michael DeLong’s petition…

Michael DeLong v Oklahoma Mental Health: Petition

 
After news of the three deaths at Narconon Arrowhead in 2011-2012, criminal investigations were started by county and state agencies which seemed to have gone nowhere. A new state law was passed to increase regulation of the facility, but that also appeared to have little effect.

In June, we broke the news that a grand jury had been empanelled to hear evidence of insurance fraud at the rehab center. We’re still waiting to see if that results in indictments.

 
UPDATE: We talked to Gary Richardson, who is handling ten different lawsuits against Narconon Arrowhead, including wrongful death lawsuits for the families of Gabriel Graves, Hillary Holten, and Stacy Murphy. He tells us that he has asked the state of Oklahoma to turn over Kim Poff and Micheal DeLong’s final investigative report which, Poff says, was suppressed by her superiors. The state has opposed Richardson’s motion, and he says a judge has scheduled a hearing on September 23. (Most likely, however, even if the judge orders the state to give the report to Richardson, it will be kept under seal and the public may not get to see it.)

We also spoke with Rachel Bussett, Kim Poff’s attorney. She says that as far as she knows, the investigative report by Poff and DeLong was never delivered to the mental health department’s board, and the department has said that no further investigation of Narconon is being done.

We asked how Kim Poff is faring since she was terminated by the mental health department. Bussett says that she’s doing well as an investigator for another state agency — the Department of Human Services.

“It proves that she’s competent and qualified, just as we’ve been saying,” Bussett tells us.

She says that Poff was motivated to file the lawsuit because she wanted to see justice done for the families of the patients who died at Narconon Arrowhead.

“When three people die in a short time, that’s concerning. And I don’t care if there’s a religious component or if it’s state-based or whatever. If people are dying, that’s a concern,” Bussett says. “Our state agencies should be standing up for the citizens of Oklahoma.”

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on August 19, 2014 at 11:15

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  • Douglas D. Douglas

    So she’s going for a big unlawful termination settlement, and making the Scientology thing a piece of it. Happy to see that there will be just that much more weight piled on the right side of the tipping point…

    • DrGreatCham

      Yep, they’ll get extra added litigation now that this whole thing has come into the open. BTW, this is an excellent example of why it’s a bad idea to abdicate your citizenship responsibilities to government bureaucracy.

  • Bury_The_Nuts

    I love lawsuits!

    • joan nieman

      Oh yes! Me too Bury! It’s a nice surprise when one wakes up and sees the news in the Bunker.

      • Yan117

        Live by the lawsuits, die by the lawsuits.

        Whatever stops the abuses, it’s all good.

  • Artoo45

    Man, I’m running out of popcorn . . .

  • PreferToBeAnon2

    I wonder if this will play any part of the grand jury investigation going on there now…

    • pronoia

      One would think that she has been or will be called to testify. Hopefully.

  • 0tessa

    And another fine mess Scientology got good people in.
    Bravo Kim Poff!

    • dchoiceisalwaysrs

      Yes a mess. Another warning label to stick on scientology: Do NOT touch!!!. Contents designed to ruin peoples lifes!!!! Dispose of wherever and whatever form found.
      And yes Bravo to both Kim and Michael.

  • Anonymous

    Wow…unless this suit disappears quickly in a confidential settlement, it could help bring even more sunlight onto a very dark situation.

  • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

    This is one of a hundred reasons why it’s high time the FBI took them down.

    • Bleuler

      But, but but… They might have to face the mighty litigious CoS, trillions of dedicated members strong.

      • 10oriocookies

        I thought they have elventy billion followers in 562 nations.

        • MissCandle

          Good work on your part too. Thanks for not taking the easy way out.

        • Bleuler

          Next year. Expansion is straight up and vertical after the ideal orgs program. How couldn’t it be a success being touted by Dainty Dave?

        • 1.1

          According to the BBC, they have 62 followers in North-East England http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-26936135 I guess that counts towards your propertied ‘…elventy billion followers in 562 nations.’

          • John P.

            Everybody knows that North-East England is practically deserted, kind of like Siberia but even more remote. Just like everyone knows that Canada is a rural village in far upstate New York, about an hour from Buffalo.

          • Lady Squash

            “The census found there were just 62 Scientologists in the North East, where Satanists outnumbered them”. Actually one could lump the Satanists and Scientology together and that way Scientology would have over 100 members. LRH I believe said he was the Beast. How about “Satanologists” as a new name. Except I think that is too much of an insult to Satanists.

      • MissCandle

        And maybe there is a recently retired state supreme court judge who can be lured (i.e., $$$$) by S-Lying-Tology into being the “face” of Narconon’s and Shortie’s defense.

      • Read this article about how it’s done (reporting the number of members): http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-tyne-26936135

  • Ruby

    Holy Moly! I think this could have various ramifications going in many directions.

    • HillieOnTheBeach

      Yep, one of which I wonder if any/all in the Leadership would now be open to legal trouble of their own. Knowingly endangering lives by burying a report is likely of some significant consequence.

  • DeElizabethan

    Bravo, Kim Poff.

  • stillgrace2

    Maybe her bosses were afraid of litigation; maybe they were bribed. It’s always worse than you think when scientology is involved.

    • Ruby

      yes, that thought crossed my mind too!

      • mpl

        Me too, and shame on them for either reason. People died.

        • NOLAGirl

          ^^^^^This.

    • Ruby

      You’d think all those other “SPs” at the Dept. of Mental Health would welcome the opportunity to shut down anything scientology…yet, they don’t? It all stinks. Thank you, Kim, for speaking out.

    • Barb Snow

      However, this is also an excellent example of the chilling effect of Scientology’s litigious ways. I really am ready to believe that in itself was enough for them to want to avoid the consequences of the report.

      • dchoiceisalwaysrs

        It is scientology written policy to use the justice system to harrass.

        Thankfully to more and more brave individuals the ‘chilling effect’ is being broken and perhaps Judge Waldrip is leader in standing tall in Texas and inducing a complete freeze and removal of the taint and stain acquired by the justice system in its failure to prevent scientology from infecting the courts and making lady justice ill and ineffective in carrying out her duty.

        Let’s hope that the prayers to the court for true justice will be properly answered by Judges and Magistrates refocusing on the purpose of law.

    • Once_Born

      After the humiliation suffered by the mighty IRS, US Government entities seem to be unwilling to deal with the CofS because they know that the cost of vexatious litigation would use up all of their resources and prevent them doing the jobs at all.

      This is a more difficult dilemma than it first appears to be. Do you prosecute the negligence which was instrumental in the deaths of three people – and risk brining Mental Health and Substance Abuse Services in Oklahoma to a standstill, or compromise and try to minimise the damage done by Narconon?

      As a practical matter the people who take these decisions are likely to lose heavily whatever they do. Also, those in authority may have learned how individuals (especially those with responsible positions in relevant organisations) have been targeted by the CofS in the past, and decided to avoid personal exposure. It is hardly surprising that they take the easy way out.

      It seems to me that this is the sort of situation that agencies like the FBI were created to deal with. However, despite a change in the law, Narconon seems to continue to get away with… it.

      • stillgrace2

        ” Do you prosecute the negligence which was instrumental in the deaths of three people – and risk brin(g)ing Mental Health and Substance Abuse Services in Oklahoma to a
        standstill ”

        Narconon CAN’T be the only source of Mental Health and Substance Abuse Services in Oklahoma because if they are, Oklahoma is in big trouble. I say: prosecute the negligence of Narconon AND find out exactly why all this negative information was put on the back burner.

        I don’t associate Narconon with legitimate Mental Health and Substance Abuse Services. Things have changed since the old IRS days; scientology CAN be successfully sued for their wrong doing.

        • Once_Born

          I did not intend to suggest that Narconon was the only drug dependence facility in the state. Sorry…. Perhaps I should have said “risk bringing the regulation of Mental Health and Substance Abuse Services in Oklahoma to a standstill ”

          The way I understand it, this agency is supposed to regulate the provision of services and ensures that providers do the job properly – they police the providers.

          If their resources are consumed by legal wrangling with one of those providers (who I agree should not be allowed to operate in the first place) they will not be able to do this job, standards will fall and people will get hurt. They are in an impossible situation.

          Yes… they should prosecute – but they should also receive support from the likes of the FBI in investigating criminal offences so that they do not have to consume their entire budget in order to to do so.

          • stillgrace2

            Ms Bussett said it all: “Our state agencies should be standing up for the citizens of Oklahoma.” Clearly, the members of the Oklahoma Mental Health and Substance Abuse are NOT doing their jobs! The two that were doing their jobs were fired. Best of Luck to Kimberly Poff and Michael DeLong in their lawsuits! Let justice prevail.

      • arcinva

        The thing is, that IRS stuff was 20 years ago now. A LOT has changed in that time. We can all see that CoS just isn’t as menacing as it once was. And with all the lawsuits of the past few years, I don’t think even CoS would have the resources to do what they did to the IRS again right now. By which I mean, I don’t think OK should be so scared of CoS these days.

        Also, IMO, state agencies aren’t allowed to be cowards. They exist for a purpose and they are to fulfill those obligations to the public regardless. IF they started to tangle with CoS and things did get really bad, then they could turn to the DoJ for help.

  • Ruby

    Oh but wait…Narconon is not the cherch, right?, so what were they worried about??

    • LHS

      LOL, yeah. Narconon is a Scientology organization when they need good PR about their “humanitarian” activities, but if anything goes wrong, they never heard of it.

  • N. Graham

    More breaking news! Church of Scamatology Solves Riot and Crime Problems in St. Louis! (with apologies to Oklahoma, who really needs to get the holy booklet, “The Way to Giddy Happiness,” the same as anybody in ANY state trying to cover up Scamatology abuse, per this latest article.)
    http://www.thespoof.com/spoof-news/us/122186/church-of-scamatology-solves-riot-and-crime-problems-in-st-louis

  • aquaclara

    Kim, well done. Now we know why Narconon Arrowhead is still open. I am sorry you lost your job, but speaking up is the right thing to do.
    On behalf of those who died, Stacie Dawn Murphy, Hillary Holten, Gabriel Graves and Kaysie Werninck, thank you.

    I hope your quashed report sees the light of day with the Grand Jury in Oklahoma.

    • MissCandle

      Dear Aqua, thank you so much for remembering Kaysie Werninck in your list. Her death is often omitted, and I hope she is never forgotten.

      • aquaclara

        aaw, MissC, we can’t forget about them. And I hope the families see this lawsuit as a sign that there are so many people who care. Things will be made public, finally.
        There is still time to prevent any more deaths from happening.

      • Todd Tomorrow
        • rotulette

          Very good “reportage” (I’m not sure “reportage” is good in English) I didn’t saw this one.

          • arcinva

            “Reportage” is good, however “I didn’t saw” isn’t. Hehe… It would be “I didn’t see”. 🙂

        • Lady Squash

          Kudos to Rock Center. Very good reporting. And Todd, thanks for posting this.

    • Peter

      Wanna bet it “disappeared”? Any takers on that bet? LOL

      • loulai

        Copy retained somewhere?

        • pronoia

          There are copies. It was typed on a computer. If it was on a state computer, it was backed up on a hard drive. And I have a hard time believing that Kim didn’t take a copy with her on a flash drive.

          • Peter

            From your mouth to God’s ear. If she *did* take a copy, both scio and the guys running that department are screwed.

            • Zana

              I HOPE so!!

          • loulai

            That’s exactly what I’m thinking as well. They must be chitting themselves.

  • NOLAGirl

    Love this news!!

    Might want to start packing Dave. As soon as Oklahoma is shown to not have had the balls to take you on, they may do it just to prove they do. In words you can understand Captain: You’re fucked.

  • Gabbyone

    Oh wow. I know first-hand how cases against scientology dentists get closed quietly, so I am not surprised by this. I am truly impressed by Kimberly’s tenacity in seeking the justice that she deserves, and I hope that this will serve as a precedent for all investigators who are trying to do their job to protect citizens without the repercussions that she experienced.

    • dchoiceisalwaysrs

      I am sure you have a lot of ears and eyes on the bunker which would greatly appreciate your knowledge.
      You have mine for certain Gabbyone.

  • HeatherGraceful

    Oh, wow. This is serious. I suspect that there will be some serious discovery applications on the basis of this material. I’m ordering popcorn.

    Plus, this will give some people grounds to sue the department.

    • stillgrace2

      This trial could get VERY interesting. I’m on board … definitely more popcorn needed.

    • Minion Gayle

      I’m going to have to look into growing popcorn, it’s the only way to be sure of an adequate supply.

    • Ruby

      yes. If this upholds, wouldn’t the attorneys for the wrongful deaths suits now have reason to reopen their cases and sue the state?

  • N. Graham

    I thought it had seemed kind of quiet in Oklahoma, what with the four deaths and Quebec and Atlanta closing and all the lawsuits. So this actually answers questions, which were Why isn’t there any kind of legal action going on in Oklahoma? And the answer sadly makes sense–they didn’t want to be another cog in the cult’s lawsuit machine.

  • nottrue
  • Ruby

    Thank you, Tony! Always at the top of your game.

    • joan nieman

      Yes,Ruby Tony is on top of everything and he does his homework before he puts it out there. Many thanks Tony.

  • California

    Yes!

  • Captain Howdy

    Seeing as how the Sheriff seemed to be in the cult’s pocket, this doesn’t surprise me at all.

    • dchoiceisalwaysrs

      Individuals and organizations which wield any kind of power are I believe OSA’s main target for manipulation these days and many of them will fall or at least be harmed by their dealings or support of any scientology activity. The CoS Washington DC office of government affairs I am sure is bustling with mountains of surreptious programs designed for use nationwide and worldwide.

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      Sheriff Joe Kerns.

      You can see his “OSA” pic right here folks.

      https://www.oklahomasheriffs.org/app/web/sheriff/county

      The Asshole.

      • Elar Aitch

        Looks like he’s got a healthy bribe stashed under his hat (or he’s a conehead).

  • 10oriocookies

    I totally understand how Kim feels. I was asked to resign “by the higher ups” when I wouldnt work with Per WIckstrom. He would lie, cheat and steal for money and I wouldnt. It’s hard to come to terms with but in the end it was the best thing that could have happened. I think there will be bright things in her future because she stood up for what is right.

    • NOLAGirl

      I have a particular distaste for Per Wickstrom. Not only because he operates in a state where I have family (sadly for you Per, they’re law enforcement officials bahahaha) or just because he’s such a scumbag. Either way, I’ll savor him being taken down.

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        I have a particular distaste for Per Wickstrom because of what you said…………but even more so because of his eyebrows.

        Those things just are NOT right.

  • dagobarbz

    Is there any info on that senator who demanded a NN investigation, then did a 180 defending Narconon and saying a family member was there?

    Who would send a family member to a place with a dubious history and a body count? (presuming the family member in question wasn’t a wealthy, hateful old biddy) I still want to know what the heck was behind that most floppy of flips.

    • Todd Tomorrow

      What is his name and where is he from?

      • dagobarbz

        I read about him here. I want to say Oklahoma state senator, but coulda been Georgia. He was all on the bandwagon to investigate Narconon. Then suddenly he was defending them, saying he had a family member there. I’m sure someone here with a better memory than me will remember.

        • Memory? That’s why I have tags and databases. Oklahoma Rep. Brian Renegar, D-McAlester.

          Lawsuits allege Narconon Arrowhead counselors traded sex for drugs March 29, 2013, Jeanne LeFlore, McAlester News-Capital, News OK

          Last year, local state Rep. Brian Renegar, D-McAlester, supported the legislation. Earlier this month, he said he had conducted his own investigation into the facility and no longer supports the bill. He also he had a family member go through the Narconon program after the deaths were reported.

          • dagobarbz

            you’re a treasure, you are! 🙂

  • mpl

    Ugh. It makes me sick that three people died and absolutely nothing was done about it. Those poor people and their families. Thank you, Kim Poff, for trying, at least. I wish you the best of luck with your lawsuit. You’re a good guy fighting some very, very bad guys. I have to believe truth and justice will prevail. Otherwise, it’s just to bleak to face.

    • aquaclara

      Four deaths. Three in 9 months. And had they been able to act after the first ones, maybe it would have been in time to prevent others.
      ^^^^ on truth and justice.

      • MissCandle

        Exactly. Who is worse? The lying liars who lie and kill young people? Or the Oklahoma officials who TRIED to cover the lies up for cowardly reasons? Thank you Kim. Hope you read the Bunker and know that there are people on the fringe who support you.

        • pronoia

          Because they knew damn well that they never should’ve licensed that place to begin with. So from that perspective, they have some culpability for those deaths. So in addition to their fears about scientology, there is that. The report showed what they should’ve known all along. If they had been doing their jobs. As part of their governing oversight duties. Which the GOP in states like Oklahoma does not want to admit is a necessary and beneficial thing.

  • Sid

    Well at least we know that Scientology wouldn’t be so low as to have an OSA agent planted within the government agency. So no reason to look there.

  • George Layton

    Maybe Kim should hire a private eye to keep an eye out for anyone that starts following her.

    • Sunny Sands

      The same for her former subordinate, Michael DeLong, who was fired along with her. He is mentioned several times in the complaint, and will likely be deposed.

  • KNMF

    Scientology is toxic and corrosive. People and organizations become more corrupt just by association.

    • LHS

      Also, throughout its history, Scientology has aligned itself with people and organizations that were corrupt/toxic to begin with, like the apartheid-era South African government.

  • Sunny Sands

    Kim’s department sounds like a hot bed of drama: (alleged) relationships prior to employment, intimidation, affairs, retaliatory firings, improprieties, sex discrimination, age discrimination, and mental stress. Then add Narconon and the cherch of scientology into the mix.

    Kim’s subordinate Michael DeLong was also fired at the same time she was. Her other subordinate, Jason Maddox, took her job after she was fired.

    There’s a lot going on in this case. Hopefully, there will be investigation into any possible safepointing by scientology of Kim’s leadership co-workers.

    • dchoiceisalwaysrs

      Not only safepointing of Kim’s leadership co-workers and making sure the Senator’s family member turned into a gold coin, but your first paragraph goes hand in hand with two other scientology standard operating procedures of extortion and blackmail.

  • i-Betty

    Unbelievable that this decent and moral woman was fired for doing the right thing. Let’s hope that this decency and tenacity gets her the judicial result she so deserves. I hate scientology.

  • Peter

    Wow! I’ve been wondering about the State of OK’s lax movements for some time. This finally begins to make sense. My own suspicion is that there is quite a bit more involved there. Payoffs? Intimidation? Blackmail? All is possible – and acceptable – in defense of the only sane people in the universe.

  • Suppressive Tomato

    Off-topic: Jim Meskimen to host a UC California sponsored event about the future of entertainment. Will there be GAT II regging, too?

    http://connect.ucsc.edu/controls/email_marketing/admin/email_marketing_email_viewer.aspx?sid=1069&gid=1&eiid=4653&seiid=3266&usearchive=1&puid=c89c77b7-594c-4fcd-bf09-0806e77066c7

    • Espiando

      Why doesn’t he give a speech on something he knows, like how to fail to get a lead voice role on a cartoon?

      Seriously, as an animation maven, I watch a number of cartoons, and when his credit pops up, it’s for a small role, never even a feature guest spot. Loser.

  • NOLAGirl

    Terri White, Dewayne Moore, Durand Crosby and/or Ellen Buettner attempted to hide the findings of Ms. Poff and Mr. DeLong…..

    Shame on all of you. You’ve done nothing more than pile more injustice onto the families of those who died in that Narconon facility.

    • MissCandle

      And, by your negligence, subjected many other persons to the same risk and possible fate.

    • They have also make themselves liable for the killings and maimings of future Scientology victims, and hopefully will be added as defendants for any future civil lawsuits filed by victims.

      I know that such things are often “third party” ties however the agents responsibility to protect citizens is clearly visible here.

  • Still_On_Your_Side

    How ironic that a bunch of (at best, lazy, and more likely corrupt) state employees buried Poff’s report to “avoid” litigation with the Church of Scientology. Now, those same employees, as a result of whistleblower Poff, are likely to be deposed in multiple lawsuits, investigated by state criminal investigators, and, if the allegations are proven, will not only lose their jobs, but may end up in prison. The icing on the cake is that there is probably a money trail back to Miscavige. It makes me wonder if there is a connection between this case and the Oklahoma seated grand jury.

    • Ineedcaffeinenow

      Is it possible that these officials were strongly led to believe by certain parties that Scientology would go after them/the governmental agencies if the report was pursued? Did they have any meetings with Scientology or Narconon officials? Can’t wait to see what pans out.

      • Still_On_Your_Side

        Those are good questions. There is no legitimate reason for using one’s authority to demand a subordinate lie, or to bury an investigative report, Any one injured by Narconon during the time the state should have shut it down, now has a potential cause of action against the state. I doubt the officials in question were honestly afraid of being sued by the Church of Scientology. Sometimes the stupidity of corrupt individuals boggles the mind.

        • Ineedcaffeinenow

          ” Any one injured by Narconon during the time the state should have shut it down, now has a potential cause of action against the state.”

          Oh I hope so. Scorch the earth with lawsuits against the cult and anyone who could have helped but ignored the situation.

        • The agency must have lawyers and budgets to defend themselves against such frivolous, retaliatory lawsuits.

          • Still_On_Your_Side

            I am sure they do. Think of all the money the agency saved by not being sued by the church of Scientology. I am sure in the future every state agency will be sure to hide any report, and fire any employee that writes a report, that could cause David Miscavige to get angry.

    • PreferToBeAnon2

      Unfortunately, this case is civil and won’t result in a prison sentence. Though, hopefully, something will emerge from the Grand Jury. Definitely want to keep our eyes on that!

      • Still_On_Your_Side

        Many governmental criminal investigations arise from information the government learned from civil lawsuits. I will not be surprised to learn that Poff’s complaint is already being studied by law enforcement.

        • PreferToBeAnon2

          From your words to a prosecutor’s ears!

          • dchoiceisalwaysrs

            and from the prosecutors’ ears to to judges and juries who steadfastly strive for true justice.

        • Mooser

          “I will not be surprised to learn that Poff’s complaint is already being studied by law enforcement.”

          I hope she can avoid arrest.

          • Still_On_Your_Side

            Mooser, I know you have a fine tuned sense of humor. I doubt Ms. Poff is in any danger of being arrested. The Department of Justice, and state equivalents, keep an eye on whistleblower lawsuits. Some of the biggest criminal prosecutions have started with civil complaints. The beauty of this lawsuit is it has a very long reach, any investigation into the actions of the state officials who were “worried” about the church of Scientology will look at money trails.

      • Evidence may come to light in the civil case which can be brought to prosecutors for criminal cases. At least I would like to hope that would be the case.

  • Espiando

    This is exactly what the circus surrounding Arrowhead needed: an engaging sideshow. I have no problem believing this, as a former employee of the Republican-dominated State of Illinois two decades ago. State government agencies, especially Republican ones, are snakepits. They’re so bad that we don’t even have to include our usual Scilon added factors into it. They’re not needed. So let’s not speculate too much. Let’s just munch popcorn and enjoy.

    This trial, the NAFC suit, and the ten lawsuits against Arrowhead are the most entertaining things from Oklahoma since Kings of Leon.

  • Ya know, I bet her bosses weren’t even getting paid by Scientology — bet they just didn’t want to deal with the hassle. If so, how dumb and lazy is that?

    • MissCandle

      PFD and PFL

    • pronoia

      Yes, and also they are likely anti-regulation for any reason whatsoever Ayn Randian idiots. Meaning republicans.

    • PreferToBeAnon2

      I wonder how far up the cover-up went. Follow the politics!

    • ze moo

      The county sheriff declined to bring any charges, though no on was arrested for giving/selling/trading the drugs to the deceased. He appears to be the clam point man in this brouhaha. Though someone at the state level would be needed to clam up the state agency. Yeah, there’s some money been passed around here, and who knows what blackmail too.

  • aquaclara

    Let’s see. Davey can’t really go to Georgia, after all that happened there. Now Oklahoma is off the list. I’m pretty sure he said he doesn’t go to Texas, or forgot Texas was a state, or something like that. And given the whooping

    Hambo is giving him in Las Vegas, well, Nevada is probably off the list, too. Tony’s in NY, and we know he has eyes everywhere. Colorado, well, Headley rules there.

    Quebec and Montreal are off limits, too, for LOVEly reasons….

    So what’s a despotic, demonic cult leader to do? At least there’s the Rust Bucket.
    Do not ask for whom the Rust Bucket sails. It sails for thee.

    • Bleuler

      COB on the Good Ship Asbestos One permanently is a thrilling prospect. Always in international waters of course. Might even pick up the odd pirate to join the crew outside the horn Africa.

      • George Layton

        Mission Into Time 2?

      • aquaclara

        And I can picture the faces on some of those pirates. Hmmm. Beware, Davey. Even the pirates have your name.

    • Anonymous

      He’s going to need a bigger boat (than the Freewinds.)

  • Mark

    Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? In Oklahoma at least, Kim Poff and Michael DeLong. Bravo!

  • Truthiwant

    I’ve been having a bit of fun this afternoon and have done a spoof unboxing of a Ron Hubbard lecture

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GV2PqNm7AWc&feature=youtu.be

    • aquaclara

      This is funny!

      • Truthiwant

        I set up the camera and knew that I could only have one ‘take’.as it would have been impossible to take the plastic wrapping off a second time. So, it was a very much ‘off the cuff’ video.

    • Lady Squash

      Got a good laugh out of that. Thank you Truthiwant.
      For an organization that promotes the importance of clean hands, well, have there been bigger liars? I’m just saying–takes balls to lie so thoroughly so often.

  • PreferToBeAnon2

    Most of my outrage has been focused on the plights of those who have left or are suffering under the repressive regime and OSA tactics, the fall-out on the children and the families, and the disgust at the shills who cover for them. I rarely think about the tangential fall-out. Here, simply, we have a government worker just doing her job. I can only imagine the workplace hell she must have endured at the hands of her superiors–but also the moral hell of knowing that NarCONon is unfit and a clear and imminent danger to human beings and being unable to do anything about it. People have died. Think of the demons she must have wrestled with to get to this point! You go, Kim!

  • “was afraid to take on Narconon in litigation because there is significant financial backing of the facility by the church of Scientology.”

    Her management got fat envelopes stuffed full of money, handed over by Scientology criminals.

    • Joe Hurtado

      Or the cult had state officials investigated, followed, and filmed and they found some shenanigans, probably related to their sexual conduct. OK is a conservative right-wing state where not one single county voted for Obama in ’12. Extreme conservative religiosity is the norm for the state whether it’s sincerely held or parroted for the benefit of social status and advancement. Evidence of sexual pecadillos are a great way to blackmail officials. There are so many example of conservative Christian religious figures and politicians using rentboys, engaging in extramarital relations, using prostitutes, soliciting anonymous sex, etc, etc, It probably wasn’t too hard to dig up and easier to get the targets to capitulate lest their hypocrisy and true selves be exposed to their sanctimonious family, friends and neighbors.

      • Yeah, I think you’re right, no fat enveloped fulla money. You’re almost certainly right.

        It’s almost as if it was only just the expense of defending themselves against the frivolous lawsuits Scientology would file after their criminal activities were shut down by the State that the State tried to cover up Scientology’s crimes.

  • aquaclara

    If you’re angry at the cult, please take a minute and flag our Craig’s List spots. There are some that should come down today, and a spot of flagging should do the trick!

  • valshifter

    ‘the department “was afraid to take on Narconon in litigation because there is significant financial backing of the facility by the church of Scientology.”
    can you spell BRIBE to the Department of Mental Health and Substance Abuse Services, typically coming from the most Ethical group on Earth.

    • Sanddancer

      Probably no bribe. Legal action against scientology is expensive, which is exactly how the cult likes it. The cult’s long history of drawing out lawsuits for decades gives it an unfortunate degree of protection against understaffed, underpaid government agencies; the people working there would rather be helping who they can, not living in courtrooms for the rest of their careers.

      • George Layton

        What they need is what they did to the IRS, thousands of lawsuits against them to deplete their reserves.

        • Sanddancer

          Which seems to be Ryan Hamilton’s course of action. I’d really hate to be the staffer who has to let Miscavige know every time the good Mr Hamilton files another suit.

  • Joe Hurtado

    Oh, wow. I hope she can prove that the state colluded with Scientology either through threats or enticement. I wonder if she can bring up Scientology’s history strong-arming the IRS. The lawsuit ground is so fertile, surely she can use pertinent material filed elsewhere. Maybe this is what gave her the impetus to go ahead with hers. The best part is that the State of Oklahoma and OK officials are defendants. The state doesn’t have endless resources and a billion dollar reserve so they’re not going to do as much legal maneuvering and sleight of hand as COS. And the state lawyers are going to be plain ‘ole civil servants, not hotshots coming up with bizarre and implausible interpretations

    • Dr_Orpheus

      Unless I’m mistaken, evidence of collusion could get the state of Oklahoma involved in any lawsuits against Narconon Arrowhead. A state government will find it far more difficult to weasel out of paying, that His Oiliness will.

      • ze moo

        Oklahoma could only be on the hook for actions that happened after the report was suppressed. And if it asserts ‘sovereign immunity’, it may not be even be sued. Some states don’t allow themselves to be sued in their state courts, you have to use federal courts to do that.

    • Sunny Sands

      The publicity of Hambo’s 19 lawsuits could have helped Kim decide.

    • I think, she needs to depose David Miscavige to get the full details of what her supervisors did to her. 🙂

  • FINALLY. God. Please let this open the gates for more public officials to come forward about things like this. Bring an end to Scientology safe-pointing.

    I came across this tidbit from the IFLScience blog today. Fun stuff. (img)

    • Spot the Scientology reference.

      • truth will set u free

        Umm would that be Xenoglossy? Great find but to trash every world religion is sort of like throwing the baby out with the bath water..just sayin’.

        • You are barking up the wrong tree, in the wrong forest, on the wrong planet. I was Catholic for about five minutes before my parents dragged me into Scientology. Never got anything good from either one. Baby bathwater hogwash. It can all go down the drain.

          • truth will set u free

            Fair enough..to each his own. I’m not advocating for any dogma here. However there may be some spiritual paths which offer critical thinking and ultimately enlightenment. I only hope that you keep an open mind in your journey.

            • I don’t normally espouse my opinions about religion because I don’t want be disrespectful towards people who enjoy practicing religion, but I will express my opinion when someone tries to proselytize me..

            • truth will set u free

              Methinks you are taking this way too personally. It was just a rhetorical comment about the inclusion of all belief systems in this peice of satire, meant for its authors. Relax the intention was not meant to recruit or proselytize. Sheesh

            • Nope. All I was telling you is that I don’t normally talk about these things, but since you brought it up… I was just being long-winded. and pretentious about saying it. I’m relaxed.

    • Captain Howdy

      There should be one of these on every school room wall in this country.

    • lucille austero

      I LOVE this :))

    • ze moo

      $cientology truly does belong in the ‘delusion’ block.

  • Todd Tomorrow
  • PickAnotherID

    So, have the Grand Jury and/or any of the ongoing OK lawsuits subpoenaed this suppressed DHS IG report yet?

    • We will not know whether the answer is yes or no until and unless the Grand Jury rules to hand down indictments and unless there are Judicial rulings stating that the details of the indictments are unsealed and public record. No way to know unless someone inside leaks the information or the Grand Jury acts and a Judge orders the information to be public.

  • MissCandle

    OT: Anne Archer says that her son, Tommy Davis, did NOT leave his “prominent role” in S-Lying-Tology after a fight with Shortie. She said to author Nico Hines (Daily Beast): “No, he is a Scientologist, he always has been and he always will be. As much as anyone.” http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/08/19/anne-archer-women-in-hollywood-are-doomed-forever.html

    • Sunny Sands

      “As much as anyone”. Many higher-up exes come to mind.

    • scottishinlondon

      He certainly does epitomise the true values of Scientology: he is aggressive, disingenuous, hypocritical, a bigot casting himself as a martyr..true to the principles of the founder and his one apostle. Yes, I am sure he is and always will be at heart a Scientologist

  • Joe Hurtado

    Had to check if Oklahoma made the Top 10 most corrupt states in the Union. Nope. Surprisingly, neither did New Jersey and Louisiana. But the methodology involved looking only at arrest and conviction records. Corruption is a difficult thing to measure. NJ and LA types have such a long and storied history of corruption that they’re well-practiced at it and don’t get caught and the culture supports it (no snitching, turning the eye, being complicit).

    https://homes.yahoo.com/news/the-most-corrupt-states-in-america-033250358.html

    Bravo Kim Poff.

    • NOLAGirl

      As a resident of the state of Louisiana I must say, I question the validity of any list of corrupt states that doesn’t include this state.

  • Todd Tomorrow

    Rare DOC on,Narcallon. German with English subtitles.(refresh)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=646kK74B8ew&noredirect=1

    • Todd Tomorrow

      This guy discusses when they would let the dealers in. Also,some deaths…

  • aquaclara

    OOH, Tony has an update, and while you’re here, Tampa has some ads that are less than 20 minutes old. Plus a crop less than a day old. I softened them up – so they’re ripe for taking down!
    http://tampa.craigslist.org/search/eee?query=%22727+501+9913%22|%22727+501+9996%22|%222907+w*+bay%22|%22441+2387%22|%22442+3922%22|%22461+1282%22|%22467+5000%22

    Thanks.

  • Ruby

    Good for Gary Richardson!
    And once again, thank you, Kim! Thanks as well to Ms. Bussett for doing the right thing.

  • AnyOldName1

    The people are abandoned by their government who is supposed to help them, again. Thanks to yet another lone woman ready to do battle, those who suffered and died may get justice.

    • Unless you’re a rich white guy, then your complaints are actually heard by the government and acted upon. Only the rich elite parasite class in this country have any expectation of justice, any rights they’re permitted to exercise.

  • Tony Ortega

    Story updated, with full petitions with exhibits for Poff and DeLong

  • Why is this a civil matter? Why didn’t she take this to the FBI and file criminal charges against her bosses who are obviously collaborating with organized crime?

    • Missionary Kid

      It’s easier to get a positive result in a civil trial. The standard of proof isn’t as high.

      It will also reveal information that can be used in a subsequent criminal trial.

      • She found and documented evidence of core criminality at the Scientology offices, she filed her report specifically detailing the crimes Scientology is committing. When her bosses refused to take the crimes to the District Attorney’s Office why didn’t she take these crimes to the FBI?

        I’m assuming she did not, actually. Nobody here would fail to bring the documentary evidence to law enforcement and follow-through, even after being fired in retaliation and retribution for reporting Scientology crimes.

        • Missionary Kid

          For the FBI to be involved, there has to be a Federal crime.

          • Which it is when the crimes exceed $10,000 for any one victim, or when conspiracy exists which crosses State lines, and a host of other requirements. You may be right, the FBI may not consider these to be of interest to them.

        • PreferToBeAnon2

          “She found and documented evidence of core criminality at the Scientology
          offices, she filed her report specifically detailing the crimes
          Scientology is committing. When her bosses refused to take the crimes to
          the District Attorney’s Office why didn’t she take these crimes to the
          FBI?”

          Did I miss something here? What core criminality was discovered at the Scientology offices?

  • Free Minds, Free Hearts

    Good for Kim Poff! I wonder if they have a Freedom of Information or sunshine law in OK. It would be interesting to see whether there were emails, letters, or meetings between Narconon and the department. Bribery, threats, fear of litigation, or basic corruption.

  • “The state has opposed Richardson’s motion…”

    Under what grounds?! The grounds that the report shows obvious crimes being committed by Scientology which the agency refuses to prosecute, thus showing that the fired woman’s supervisors are not doing their jobs, are defacto colluding with organized crime and complicit in future Scientology homicides, and need to get their fing worthless asses fired?

    What possible legitimate grounds could the State refuse to release the documentary evidence to us ass-reamed tax payers? We paid for that research, we paid for that investigation, it belongs to us.

    Also the next dead Scientology victim is blood on her supervisor’s hands.

  • PreferToBeAnon2

    “We also spoke with Rachel Bussett, Kim Poff’s attorney. She says that as
    far as she knows, the investigative report by Poff and DeLong was never
    delivered to the mental health department’s board, and the department
    has said that no further investigation of Narconon is being done.”

    After this and all of the other law suits, I’m sure the board is paying attention now. There is nothing like the clean light of lawsuits and dead bodies to serve as a good ol’ fashioned disinfectant. I suspect that rat’s nest of a state agency will be cleaned out soon. May they be a recipient of a thorough roto rotter process.

    • None of the the dead, none of the injured, none of the defrauded are the sons or daughters of rich white people, ergo the State isn’t going to do anything about it. So long as it’s peasant working-class unwashed masses dying and being swindled, that’s perfectly acceptable to the Oligarchy. As soon as some rich asshole’s profits are threatened, only then does law enforcement step in.

  • The Oklahoma Department of Mental Health and Substance Abuse Services seemed wave the yellow flag back in 1992, gave Narconon everything it wanted, and went and hid under the bed since then.

    Narconon legal battle costly to state August 20, 1992, Tulsa World

    • PreferToBeAnon2

      “Legal battles with the Narco- non drug center cost the state Mental Health Board at least $177,295 and the state attorney general’s office untold hours of work, state officials say.”

      Well, it’s going to cost them a helluva a lot more now. Thanks for posting this, RM!

    • How many dead tax payers are these fing Oklahoma supervisors going to be willing to accumulate before protecting citizens from these Scientology criminals?

      “All of them” appears to be the answer. So long as some fing rich white asshole’s kid isn’t murdered by Scientology’s fraudulent quack medical enterprise, everything’s just A.O.K. out there in Oklahoma.

    • rotulette

      I
      don’t understand something: Here in Québec (the
      only Canadian province where we speak French (but 80-90% of
      us also speak English)) It was so simple with Narconon: there are
      rules, we prove that you don’t follow the rules, we close down your
      place, thank you, come again… I know it
      looks chauvinist but on other subjects we have our huge flaws… but
      this place, to my knowledge, was the most expensive place of the
      province, and maybe of the country… and the place is run mostly by
      ex. We have these kind of places here, and it usually cost
      600$/months (your welfare allowance)
      And even at that price you
      may find good places.

      • PreferToBeAnon2

        It’s not that easy in Canada. Ask David Love. He went through hell!

        • rotulette

          I agree I made it short, very short… and David Love goal was to have that place close and with the help of the media that made good reportages (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIHnhvifVh0&list=UUu7faDqdZyyG_8YMUD0lcJA ) and with help of the government (he talked to senators) He shut down the place, yes “he” with the help of lot of people.

        • rotulette

          I agree David Love went through hell in Narconon, but aprox. 6-12 months after Québec Narconon were denonced in the Media here they were closed down forever.

  • Georget1952

    The story has been picked up by ZIVA BRANSTETTER,
    World Enterprise Editor for Tulsaworld.com. She has written her own story about the lawsuits. I certainly hope that many more media based sites pick up on these lawsuits. To Kim Poff and Michael Delong: Thank you so much for standing up for all those who have been harmed by Narconon!

    • Tony did say that he’d been speaking to her recently.

      Quick! Resurrect Heber or get Gary Smith to give another rant about the conspiracy of the forces of darkness against Narconon/Scientology!

      Narconon head suggests conspiracy April 6, 1992, AP, Tulsa World
      Narconon works April 8, 1992, Heber Jentzsch, Letters, Tulsa World

      • 🙂 I’d love to see that frothing insane dwarf drag Heber out of his festering, dank hole, brush him off, and prop him up in front of a microphone and camera to explain to the world how Scientology is some how a religion or something. That would be awesome. Heber was so very good at that PR work, too.

        • Todd Tomorrow

          Karen said last time he left the stage he went into an anxiety attack and was drooling al over himself. Nobody seems to know where he is. Heard they were slowly moving the hole to,Mexico.

    • Science Doc

      It is a good article. Hope it is prominent in the print edition. I had trouble finding it on the web page.

  • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

    Alexa update for August 19: *refresh for images*

    Tony: US rank #17,229 – up 962 from yesterday. (Average rank last 3 months: 20,552)
    scientology: US rank #59,261 – up 2,410 from yesterday. (Average rank last 3 months: 62,253)

    Difference: 42,032 – 1,448 less than yesterday. (Average difference last 3 months: 41,700)

    • Walter Mitty

      Thank you for your amazing work! Always a highlight.

  • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

    We in the Church of Scientology can authoritatively state that critics of Narconon are bigots. The facts speak for themselves: All critics of Narconon are in favor of drug abuse and are either using drugs, selling drugs, or both.

    Narconon is being viciously attacked in Oklahoma because it is on the verge of exposing and destroying the North Texas/Southern Oklahoma crystal methamphetamine industry:

    http://youtu.be/Nggqe-L9ZQ8

    • Espiando

      If Scientology were the experts on how to handle drugs, they would know that all the meth in Oklahoma is imported down I-35 from the Kingdom Of Christ’s Disciples On Earth, also known as Kansas.

      Goddamn, I hated living in that state.

      • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

        Kansas didn’t like you living there either as you were a major source of suppression. In fact, when you packed up and moved, the Theta-Entheta ratio shifted so massively that Scientology immediately boomed in Kansas. Why just in Wichita and Salina alone we opened 10 new Ideal Orgs.

  • Patty Moher

    Having been recruited into Scientology via Narconon, becoming the Executive Director of Narconon Connecticut, then recruited into the Guardians Office to run the Narconons and education groups in New England, I am filled with joy at what’s going on. Even though I know that Scn has a way of sliming out of these legal matters, I can’t help but to think that the evil lawyers have Narconon by the balls. Wonderful reporting Tony! Thanks so much.

  • Anonymous

    Scientology has been promising perfect “results” from it’s tech for more than 60 years. In those more than 60 years it has also largely escaped responsibility for the atrocities that have befallen (or been deliberately rendered onto) people who listened to Scientology promotions but did not receive the promised results.

    Lies, PR, fraud, spying, secret settlements, harassment as well as cozying up to Useful Idiots in law enforcement, politics, the entertainment industry and various allies in other organizations, have allowed the church to continue to create harm to its adherents while amassing great wealth and pretending benign goals.

    This 1986 article from the L A Times titled “The Difficulty in Regulating Religions That Turn a Profit” describes the frustrations felt by the victims of Scientology as well as those people who have sought to rein in the worst aspects of the organization.

    http://www.nytimes.com/1986/02/09/weekinreview/the-difficulty-in-regulating-religions-that-turn-a-profit.html

    Almost 30 years later, Scientology continues to harm people who come into it’s grasp, and the church continues to employ the same tactics to escape responsibility for it’s actions.

    Through exposure and relentless whistle-blowing, perhaps the tide is turning.

    • Espiando

      I think they’ve obtained “prefect” results. People have been bullied, turned into unpaid servants, and metaphorically and literally ass-fucked, just like any prefect at an English public school would do.

      • Anonymous

        I see what you did there with my typo…(FIFY.)

        • Espiando

          But who wants to hear about your defects? They just want 1-2-3-4 Prefects!

          Hey, we’re vicious here. You know that. Any opening is taken, and if it leads to paraphrasing obscure Birmingham punk bands, all the better.

          • Anonymous

            I’ll call your Birmingham punk and raise you a Holiday in Cambodia.

            • Espiando

              Hey, I’m the one who pointed out a week ago that James May used “California Uber Alles” as incidental music in his latest Top Gear featurette miniseries.

            • Science Doc

              My favorite flavor of Jello is Biafra.

      • Todd Tomorrow

        Worse in the all boys private schools. I had a drunk friend who told me what went on.

    • dchoiceisalwaysrs

      The tide most definitely has turned.

  • nottrue

    The question is why didnt the commissioner Terri White turn over Poff”s report to the board of directors. White should be fired

  • BeezleBobby

    The state will settle. First of all they haven’t got a leg to stand on. Secondly, they don’t want any of this crap to be dredged up in a courtroom.

  • Well, well, welll.. The criminal organisatiokn known as the “church” of $cientology has form in this department. In France the criminal lawsuit against the head of the mission in Lyon was expanded by the investigating magistrate to include the head of the French Co$. All was going splendidly, when teh state prosecutor’s office stepped in and overruled the investigating magistrate. This is only done done very rarely and caused a bit of a stink.

    It turned out that the Co$ had sent an infiltrattor to the office of the President and sweet talked the Pres into making the state prosecutor overrule the magistrate.

    The lawsuit contionued, with the most directly responsible clam being convicted of the manslaughter of Patrice VIC (up to and including the highest French court). The investigating magistrate, George FENECH, became the head of the French government anti-cult task force.

    The telexes (for that is what they used) between French OSA and the Co$ was recovered in a proper raid and the interesting words reproduced in Serge Faubert’s excellent book, “Une secte aue coeur de la République” 1993, and on the Internet at http://www.xenu.net/archive/go/selected.htm#france

    • Sounds like we need federal agents to kick in some supervisor’s doors, seize this woman’s ex-supervisor’s documents, computers, and bank accounts, and do a proper investigation, see if money changed hands.

    • richelieu jr

      They definitely got people in deep,a s they actually got every complaint about Scientology stolen from the records dept of our dept of Justice a few years back. Idiots didn’t get the replies, though, and the item numbers still existed, so, oh well.

    • Elar Aitch

      If this is found to have happen in Oklahama,how can the IRS not step in? And what chance is there of Scientology bankrolling any part of this lawsuit defence?

    • Science Doc

      Try the morgue.

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      I’m here for you Sir!

  • D.Y.G.

    OMG. so the State of Oklahoma Dept of Mental Health was willing to let more people die rather than face litigating Co$?

    • Espiando

      This is Oklahoma, a state that still technically outlaws gay sex in all forms (although it hasn’t been enforceable since 2003), and will do nothing to repeal its discriminatory sodomy laws. Are you surprised?

      • D.Y.G.

        I am surprised! Yes, it’s Oklahoma and that’s never good, but this is just monumental abuse of power. I can’t believe these goofballs thought for a minute the two investigators would just take it and do nothing.

        • PreferToBeAnon2

          Ooook-lahoma, where lawsuits come sweepin’ down the plain
          And the wavin’ wheat can sure smell sweet
          When the lawsuits come right behind the Scion stain.

  • ze moo

    All hail Kim Poff and Michael Delong and their legal team. An Inspector General makes a lot more money than and investigator, Kim and Michael were screwed by management in a poorly conceived attempt to cover up NarCONon’s crimes. Kim and Michael should get their back pay and hopefully their jobs back.

    Someone in the governors office or high up in the legislature or the state attorney generals office, shut this one down. No one else has the clout to do that I do hope all the Oklahoma news outlets cover this story.

    • Envelops crammed fulla cash exchanged hands, is the first obvious explanation. Such agencies have lawyers and have budgets already allocated to defend against frivolous lawsuits filed by criminals that the agency shuts down, the fear of being sued isn’t a legitimate justification for failing to advance criminal evidence to their DA’s offices.

      • In 1992, they totaled up the bill of all the fights against Scientology and Narconon Chilocco, and gave up the fight.

      • ze moo

        Cash, ‘safe pointing’, blackmail, all these could be reasons why the IG’s report was covered up. It could easily be that the agency ran the numbers and chickened out of what they thought would be a protracted fight. With a grand jury looking at insurance fraud, things may change very quickly. As there are so few ‘students’ at Arrowhead, they may already be preparing for a shut down. Having the ‘premier’ clam detox and rehab site shut down will not look good to the loyal clams, but will Davy even mention that? It will only be mentioned if he wants to fund raise on that issue.

  • Silence of the Clams

    The state is worried about Scientology?

    If I were the state, I’d be worried about lawyers like Ryan Hamilton who could easily file suit (on behalf of clients) against the state for suppressing findings that recommended the closing of concentration camps like Narconon. Seems to me if someone died following a written report by two state employees recommending closure, that could get pretty ugly for the state and some high profile people.

    Sadly Kim and Mike are going to be subjected to all kinds of abuse and malfeasance by the very state that asked them to look out for the people of that state.

    Eh…what am I crying about? Only a few people died at Arrowhead.

    • Jgg2012

      ” I’d be worried about lawyers like Ryan Hamilton who could easily file suit (on behalf of clients) against the state for suppressing findings .. [re] Narconon. ”
      Yes, classic negligence, especially where there is a statutory duty to report and investigate and enforce laws.

    • And when Scientology injures or kills more victims, the lawsuits will include these supervisors who colluded to squash criminal charges which would have shut the crime syndicate down and would have not had the opportunity to defraud, injure, or kill people.

      Plaintiffs can explain to the Judge why the agency is included in the lawsuit, explaining that the agency had in their hands evidence of core criminal conduct which they agency covered up for fear of being sued by the criminals. That’s collusion of a sort, though a weak brand of collusion,

    • Jgg2012

      Just thought of this: what if the 2d or 3d death involved someone who entered Narconon after the first death occurred, but did not know about it because of the State’s cover up? They will say “if we knew about the 1st death, we would never have used Narconon” and hold the State liable for millions in a wrongful death case. Looks like Hamilton and Co. will have many more lawsuits coming up.

  • PickAnotherID

    I hope every news outlet in the country files a FOIA request for that suppressed report.

  • Joe Hurtado

    Off topic, but I like these numbers from the BBC article posted on Tony’s Twitter feed:

    Scientology in numbers

    At the last census there were 2,418 Scientologists in England and Wales

    That is slightly more than the number of Satanists, but many fewer than the number of people claiming to be Jedi Knights

    There were over 33 million Christians, 2.7 million Muslims and nearly 14 million people of no religion

    The census found there were just 62 Scientologists in the North East, where Satanists outnumbered them

    In the same region there were 1.75 million Christians and about 600,000 people of no religion

    There were about 25,000 Scientologists in the US in 2008 according to the American Religious Identification Survey (ARIS)

    That represents more than a 50% decline since 2001, when there were 55,000, according to the survey

    • Is your avatar Tiburcio Vasquez?

      • Joe Hurtado

        No. I had no idea who Tiburcio Vasquez was until I just now Googled him. Joaquin Murietta was the extent of my knowledge of early California criminals. This really is Joe Hurtado who was an inept murderer who got drunk too often and was thus rendered trigger happy in ~ the 1870s in Wild West Sacramento (my hometown). I think it’s from the SF Call, though I need to check. I’d been doing some research about early CA and Sacramento and his name came up quite a bit. He, too, was sentenced to death and hanged but not before a two hour impassioned oratory in his own defense.. I have to get dinner ready now, but if you’ re interested I can forward some old Sacto. Union links about him once I find them.

        (I used to post as cs sarabia a little while back but had some medical issues, but I’m slowly back)

        • Jimmy3

          Interesting. The guy in my avatar also enjoys getting drunk and shooting. Shooting the bird.

    • Sir Hemet TC Burlwood, VIII

      Juxtaposing “Scientologists” with “Satanists” immediately makes Satanists more appealing.

  • aquaclara

    The documents are revealing in so many ways. The mix of sexual harassment investigations, a pattern of misconduct among several of the employees and Narconon all create a work environment more focused on cover-ups than help.

    To both Kim and Mike, who did the right thing the first time in finding that laws were broken that led to the deaths of patients at Narconon, spoke up when asked to bury their findings, and now once again, make sure the wrongs won’t remain hidden. What a mess of a department they found themselves investigating…In most companies, those folks would have been fired, not the people who did the investigating in the first place.

    Some interesting bits from the docs, “On several occasions, it has been suggested to Ms. Poff by Mr. Crosby, that she change her findings when he disagreed with the outcome that she reached.”

    The investigation, suspension and termination of Mr. DeLong and Ms Poff are the culmination of a systematic and intentional attempt to eliminate agency oversight of Leadership’s decisions.”

    “At least four other male management employees, in addition to the one above, had multiple allegations against them of severe misconduct…”

    • PreferToBeAnon2

      As a side matter, this couldn’t have happened to a better General Counsel (Defendant Moore) and that this case bullhorns his extra-marital affair is icing on the cake.

    • The mix of sexual harassment investigations, a pattern of misconduct among several of the employees and Narconon all create a work environment more focused on cover-ups than help.

      It hasn’t changed in 23 years, and yet it remains open.

      Scientology Required, Former Guard Claims June 26, 1991, Michael McNutt, News OK

      • aquaclara

        It is surprising how much hasn’t changed – you’re so right. I took a stroll through those docs you so nicely archived, and it’s the same old stuff. Nothing was done back then, and the families should be outraged.
        I hope the lawyers find the back references helpful in this case, too. Now we need Hambo II – someone in Oklahoma who can file more lawsuits on behalf of every victim who has been treated there.
        I’m patient. I’ll wait a couple of weeks more….:)

    • Sarah James

      Mr. Crosby, a name we will know well in the near future.

  • OrangySky

    Is anyone having trouble getting on Mike Rinder’s blog today?

    • AnyOldName1

      Yes. I just tried.

    • There are massive outages of the Internet as a whole country wide right now.

    • Elar Aitch

      I had issues yesterday too

  • Sir Hemet TC Burlwood, VIII

    Just check in, and this 2nd post of the day is of the kind for I which dream, and one of the reasons I check the bunker multiple times per day. I haven’t even read the whole post, but my heart is pounding in anticipation of more deserved shitty news for this shitty church and the shit-stain that is David Miscavige.

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      Shitty, Shitty, Shit-stain?

      You phoned that one in Sir Burlwood!

      You can Shitty, Shitty, Bang, Bang WAY better than that.

      You must be posting under the table while in a meeting or something.

      J/k 🙂

      • Sir Hemet TC Burlwood, VIII

        Thanks, Bury. I wish I could phone in more often (and BTW, it’s more like under the table while between meetings 😉
        I tell you this, I cannot shitty shitty bang bang better than Mark, who phoned it in on The Shitty Childcatcher

  • whingeybingey

    Go, Kim!! What a woman!

  • aquaclara

    Great job breaking this news, Tony. Your magician’s hat is working overtime lately.
    Thank you. F5

  • Narapoid

    “Because, Poff alleges, her bosses “buried the report, recommendations and findings of Ms. Poff & Mr. DeLong because the Department did not want to get involved in litigation involving the Church of Scientology.”

    The Oklahoma guys jumped straight to Scientology, forgetting the Narconon fig leaf. The deaths, credit card fraud, wrongful termination and all the nefarious crap is at Miscavige’s door, as it should be. Very Nice post Tony!

  • PRenaud

    Oh god I love these updates…. thank you Tony.

  • Science Doc

    If I were a victim of Narconon and could very quickly count at least 30 lawsuits in which they are defendants, two in which their bad conduct is central involving other parties, plus an active grand jury, well, I would want to retain counsel and join the party. Warner Springs is a big operation, and I see that Arrowhead can hold 200 students, but has probably had far fewer in the past year. There could be 500 to 1000 former students in the US who are still within statutory limits for filing a complaint.

    I have no trouble postulating 50 to 100 additional Narconon plaintiffs by this time next year.

  • Bury_The_Nuts

    Off topic, but I have a Bunker Public Service Announcement.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    I wanted to let everyone know Observer is going AWOL for a while. She has some family stuff she needs to handle.
    She will be back, so don’t worry about her.

    PSA complete. Carry on.

    • Jimmy3

      This PSA gave me the sads. I noticed Observer hadn’t been around. I hope all is well.

    • MissCandle

      I will miss you, Observer. All the best to you and your family (including the wieners).
      BTN: thanks for the PSA.

    • Captain Howdy

      I was wondering.
      Thanks
      Hang in there, Obs.

    • Just Dee

      I was also wondering. Thanks

    • Baby

      Thanks Bury..Obs.. We love you.. Take all the time you need. We will wait patiently for your return xoxo

    • noseinabk

      I would like to submit a kr on Andrew and SPF . Wait… Andrew and Spf both MIA? Nobody open any bunker closets without knocking first. Just in case.

      • Captain Howdy

        I love sugarplum fairy and Andrew but Andrew has been doing this forever and SPF is hopefully enjoying her life. People come and go. I’ve been doing this for almost 6 years now and I’ve drifted away before because of burn-out or real life demands. They’re both Hall of Famers, so even if they’re not here, they’re here.

  • R. Bussett

    Tony – Thank you for a great article. Kim and Michael appreciate the support shown here. Just for the record we have not and do not intend to allege or suggest that anyone in ODMHSAS has been bribed to take or not take action. Tony’s article was one of three on this issue today. There was also an interview with News Channel 9 in OKC and the Tulsa World article from ZIVA BRANSTETTER World Enterprise Editor. I am new to the challenge of Narconon and Scientology so I welcome any input from those of you who have more knowledge than I do. Thank you again for all your support!

    • MissCandle

      Urgent advice: Keep an eye on your pets.

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        And quite serious advice!

    • Espiando

      Tell your neighbors what you’re doing, since odds are pretty good that derogatory personal information about you will be spread to them. Also, expect a lot of that information to be lies involving 1) Big Pharma and 2) lesbianism.

      How will they obtain that information? Watch out for people or cars that are obviously following you. Scientology luvs their PIs. They also have no problem trolling through your garbage. Shred your correspondence and credit card records, and make your garbage as messy as possible.

      These guys play rough. Take some common-sense precautions.

    • Anonymous

      Spend some time on LexisNexis becoming familiar with the litigation history of Scientology, their tactics and duplicity. Even though your case is not against Scientology, they are an interested party and will be involved, whether you know it or not.

      Increase security and stay aware.

    • Captain Howdy

      Just remember you’re dealing with fanatics, even if they’re wearing suits.

    • Just Dee

      I don’t believe scientology handed over money to keep reports buried yet. But if there were affairs going on in an office, scientology will find out about that an then use it against those people. It sounds like scientology wouldn’t have to use money, they could easily get the office affair stuff and use that as leverage. And yeah, they would do it in a heartbeat

    • VickiStubing

      Tell your family to not engage in small talk with strangers (at stores, parks, etc.). It’s amazing what I hear people sharing in public places–and even the most innocent-seeming comment can be twisted and used against you by these people.

      And we can’t say it enough: Watch out for your pets.

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      Please be careful. Google Operation Freakout to see what they did to Paulette Cooper (faking bomb threats from her, befriending her to spy on her, going through her garbage). And Google Monique Rathbun’s current lawsuit for 199 days of harassment including surveillance cameras, coming to her house when her husband wasn’t home, setting up fake smear web sites, sending her sex toys at work, etc. Scientology will do anything to destroy their perceived enemies.

    • Baby

      Thank you.. Just do your homework. We have reasons to be paranoid. We inform. That is what we do.

      I would suggest writing all suspicious activities and report if necessary. Always have a camera ready. Videotape, again when necessary.

      Everyone here is coming from a good place. Good Luck.

    • aquaclara

      Please convey our sincere thanks to both Kim and Michael. You might want to review Narconon reviews.net to see what people have said about their experience in Narconon. It’s important stuff.

      You might also want to check Ryan Hamilton’s suits, covered so well here by Tony, to get a sense of what Narconon is all about.

      And please advise your clients to watch their backs, and their pets. There is some well-documented history that points to why this would be wise.

      Thank you for joining a select group of smart legal talent who support the ideals of truth and justice.
      Wishing you much success.

      • Sarah James

        +1

    • Prim torturer

      These cautions may sound extreme but there are thousands of people who have been harassed, abused, threatened, and some were killed or caused to suicide by Scientology. We are deadly serious. You are dealing with the Mafia, a soulless entity that will stop at nothing to silence you.

      They’ll go after your friends, your spouses friends your kids friends. All our hopes go with you.

  • RadioPaul1

    So who do we petition now to get off their asses and do their job over Narconon?

    • Jgg2012

      No one. Government is feckless. We rely on litigants suing them. Let’s have Hamilton, Jeffrey and others keep filing lawsuits. Everyone who leaves Narconon should sue.. Can you imagine what would happen if they had 1,000 ex-patients, excuse me, students suing?

  • Lady Squash

    The chickens are coming home to roost! I love this part: “…Poff alleges, her bosses “buried the report, recommendations and findings of Ms. Poff & Mr. DeLong because the Department did not want to get involved in litigation involving the Church of Scientology.” Yeah, they are a scary organization. Tick Tock

  • Baby

    O/T
    I was hard on Geir at Flag Down ( my critique) I think his comment over at Marty’s is music to my ears.

    Yes, he stated that he did benefit, but to me the music comes in the words that comes after the word And.

    ( I separated the words in paragraphs for you guys..)

    Geir Isene

    “My point – clear and simple: Yes, I
    benefited highly from what I did in Scientology.

    And, I think I could
    have achieved that in a multitude of other ways. Learning early on to
    simply Letting Go would most certainly be one of them – without the
    creation of the Only True Cult Bubble and much side effects.”
    ………………………………………………………………………..

    • Jimmy3

      “Reports by many”? The CoS has much better “reports” of “success stories” from their application of the tech. As we have discussed before, Marildi; There are no objective evidence of the workability of Scientology. And the anecdotal evidence is suspect, to say the least.

      Fast forward about 24 hours, in the very same thread…

      My point – clear and simple: Yes, I benefited highly from what I did in Scientology.

      Nothing he says is clear and simple. It’s wishy and washy. It’s flippity and floppity. In May he was still claiming he’d do the OT levels again at full cost. Now he’s saying Scientology has no documented workability, and the anecdotal evidence is suspect. But wait, he’s also still saying that it really worked for him? I thought that kind of evidence was suspect? I’ll just wait and see what he says in another three months. Maybe he’s doing his A to E’s by then. You never know with that guy.

      • Jimmy3

        I removed this post. Sorry.

        • Captain Howdy

          Why?

          • Jimmy3

            I didn’t want anyone to read it as an “attack” on the guy, even though it wasn’t.

            • Jimmy3

              I removed this post, too. Sometimes with posts, the best thing is Letting Go

            • DodoTheLaser

              I think Geir said some dumb things, but considering he spent ~ $1 Mil in a cult
              and managed to be where he is now, I am happy with his progress.

            • Baby

              OMG yes.. I agree..but yes with the progress..

            • Baby

              http://isene.me/2014/07/23/scientology-the-two-primary-motivations/

              “The point is that Scientology’s
              anecdotal evidence is REQUIRED by all parishioners. That doesn’t mean
              they are false, but it does put the anecdotal evidence in dispute. Apart
              from that, an as I have pointed out, there are more powerful gains in
              larger percentages from certain Christian denominations than Scientology
              could show up from its invention and up until the 80s. And as you well
              know, Scientology has NO OTHER evidence for its workability. And that,
              my dear, it’s my main point. ”

              posted 2014-07-26 at 20:55 by Geir Isene
              in reply to marildi

            • Baby

              Jimmy to tell you the truth I would have upvoted your deleted posts. I hate that we don’t have to tip toe around here.

              My God most of us would never post..

            • Jimmy3

              Honestly, I removed it only minutes afterwards because I didn’t want anyone to read it as a random attack on his credibility. It wasn’t a good look. I thought it was late enough that I could safely remove it. But it brought out some true colors, I think. It was progress. 🙂

            • DodoTheLaser

              I smell sarcasm when I see it.

            • Jimmy2

              Seriously? You should probably see a doctor about that, man…
              Hey, what’s with all the dots?

            • DodoTheLaser

              Sorry, if I misinterpreted your post.

            • Jimmy2

              No, no, it’s okay. It’s just that I saw an episode of House In which a lady was hearing sounds through her eyes… Turns out that’s a real thing. So I thought if you could smell sarcasm with your eyes, it might be some sort of medical condition and I was worried.

            • DodoTheLaser

              Hahahaah! I actually been watching House myself on Netflix.
              What was the dots reference of yours? I am a bit thick sometimes.

            • Jimmy2

              I dunno, Guest posted a bunch of dots. I’ve seen Guest post dots before, I don’t know what it means, but I have a theory that it’s a trace or a signal for future Guests to land in those spots. Kinda like how ‘visitors’ mark cornfields with patterns, except dots are much easier and not as impressive. Or like the Kool logo that CST uses as a guide for LRH. Those are not very impressive either.

            • Baby

              We got your number 2 or 3 .. It’s all good.. yawwwwwwwwn

            • Jimmy2

              House Season 4 Episode 2
              I don’t remember if the diagnosis is a spoiler for that episode, so that’s why I played dumb instead of naming it.

            • Captain Howdy

              We’re Americans, Jimmy..fuck ’em if they can’t take a joke.
              That’s what he gets for constantly contradicting himself.

            • Jimmy3

              One time I told a former commenter here that he needed a stool to prevent jokes from flying over his head. I thought I was kidding around in good fun, but I was wrong. Many commenters pointed out to me that this was actually an attack, not a joke. I was attacking people and I wasn’t even aware of it. One commenter even said they were sick to their stomach after reading my attack. Seriously.

              So, now I am very conscious of not posting anything that I think may be funny. It may actually be a vicious attack.

            • Baby

              Oh you were Guest? And you said something bad to me ; /

            • Jimmy3

              I didn’t say anything bad about you. This is what I removed, if you’d like to read it:

              “Reports by many”? The CoS has much better “reports” of “success stories” from their application of the tech. As we have discussed before, Marildi; There are no objective evidence of the workability of Scientology. And the anecdotal evidence is suspect, to say the least.

              Fast forward about 24 hours, in the very same thread…

              My point – clear and simple: Yes, I benefited highly from what I did in Scientology.

              Nothing he says is clear and simple. It’s wishy and washy. It’s flippity and floppity. In May he was still claiming he’d do the OT levels again at full cost. Now he’s saying Scientology has no documented workability, and the anecdotal evidence is suspect. But wait, he’s also still saying that it really worked for him? I thought that kind of evidence was suspect? I’ll just wait and see what he says in another three months. Maybe he’s doing his A to E’s by then. You never know with that guy.

            • Baby

              Thanks for sharing with me Jimmy.. Seriously.. I understand where you are coming from. I honestly do. It’s just I guess I saw a ray of sunlight.

              But yes I too will be watching. You do have a point!

              Hopefully he is decompressing.. and coming out of the fog. Shit how could I be mad..I root for the Browns.

            • Captain Howdy

              Actually, I could give a fuck what he does. I try not to lose sleep over people I don’t know or are of no value to me.

            • Baby

              I was just snooping around. Didn’t mean to ruffle feathers.. Damn I’ve been gone all day.

              There are many times I’ve read postings ..seen videos .. read chit chat..I haven’t jumped on any Bunker person that just wanted to post information.

              I wrote posts on my experience at FD and just thought I would post an update.. No biggie..
              You hurt my feelings.

            • Captain Howdy

              Huh? I’m not pissed at you. What made you think that? I’m just growling at the world in general.

              Baby, you need to…
              http://youtu.be/unkIVvjZc9Y

            • Baby

              OMG .. That was funny Howdy. Thank you I feel better. Some Ass Hole made me cry.

              That has never happened to me here before. If you’re growling at the world then OK you don’t have to be in a good mood for us. I appreciate you making me laugh with the video..

              I am going to watch more of his. Never heard of him before.

            • Captain Howdy

              It’s an Aussie comedian portraying infamous Aussie criminal Chopper Reid. They made a movie about him with Eric Bana. It’s a classic of indie cinema.

              http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_%22Chopper%22_Read

            • Baby

              Where in the hell have I been.. ? Plus I love indies.. That’s what I miss about living where I do.. I used to go regularly by myself to the old art theaters.. Fabulous films..

            • DodoTheLaser

              Considering that Geir’s wife Anette made some serious entheta waves on the Internet
              regarding Tom Cruise’s methods of a future wife selection, A to E is off the plate.
              I think Geir is just being Geir and I do see the progress. But like you said Jimmy, let’s see what he says in three month from now.

            • Baby

              Agree..absolutely

            • Baby

              True..

      • Baby

        What did I miss? I’m a big girl..

        • DodoTheLaser

          I think Jimmy was hinting at revisionism by removing his “posts”.

    • Baby

      Progress NOT perfection. It doesn’t take much to see any advancement is better than standing still.. Right Jimmy?

      • Jimmy3

        Wrong Jimmy.

        • Baby

          Shit you’re wrong alright.. bawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwhahahah I had to say that..xo

  • Sejanus

    I hope Ms Poff beats the tar out of her former bosses.
    Their alleged behaviours are nothing short of criminal

  • hansje brinker

    First thing I thought while reading this article: The bosses of Kim Poff must been bribed………………

    • DodoTheLaser

      “Just for the record we have not and do not intend to allege or suggest that
      anyone in ODMHSAS has been bribed to take or not take action.” ~ R. Bussett
      http://tonyortega.org/2014/08/19/oklahoma/#comment-1550489537

      • Baby

        Thanks Dodo..I was ready to copy and paste myself.

      • hansje brinker

        Thanks Dodo for this nuance. I understand their intention, but it can be possible that the bosses have been bribed.

        • DodoTheLaser

          It is possible, Hansje. Just as a fear of litigation is possible.
          Hopefully we will eventually learn what was the real reason.

          • hansje brinker

            You are right.

            You know, Ron wrote once it is healthly to be dangerous. So when the “oposite”is afraid it is a win for the church. I think anno 2014 no one must be afraid of this cult

            • DodoTheLaser

              I agree. And clearly less and less are afraid. Tick fucking tock.

  • Pierrot

    *** RED X +–+ RED X +–+RED X +–+ RED X *** Wednesday the 20th of August

    Good morning Early Birds and Night Owls.
    There was no posting from us at WWP for the last 24 hours, which means that this morning
    you are served with all 64 new blues from Tuesday (about 1am to 1am)

    There are some for Cincinnati & Kansas City, Tampa & Albuquerque, and of course LA & SF.
    Enjoy: All of Tuesday’s ads are here:
    http://whyweprotest.net/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-110#post-2479124

    Do roll up to and flag the whole page 110 (about 10 to 15 minutes) if you have some spare time.

    FREELOADER Debt is ILLEGAL and CAN’T BE ENFORCED.
    DON’T route out, BLOW, Get HELP, get OUT. CALL 1-866-XSEAORG

    Ty THDNE

  • Sarah James

    So we may never see the report? The agency heads will be exposed for not doing their jobs, I hope. A lot could be learned from their fear to take on the fake rehab that killed the “students.”
    By ignoring the obvious, Oklahoma could have had even more deaths. Don’t the lives of the “students” count? Seems to be they treated them like miscavige…”meat bodies.”

  • Baby

    JImmy3 .. What is going on?

    • Jimmy2

      I was demoted.

      • Baby

        Well.. Keep your Jersey on and stay..xoxo .. Good Lord I swear that I am in the Twilight Zone around here tonight..

        • DodoTheLaser

          I am laughing my ass of right now!

          • Baby

            I swear to God I feel like grabbin a pair of Beads and prayin ” Hail Mary”

            and I’m NOT even Catholic!

            • DodoTheLaser

              Jimmy “being demoted” and your comment to him combined is like a perfect comedy relief.
              I hadn’t laugh like this in weeks. Thanks to both of you.

            • Baby

              I can hear your laughter from here Dodo.. Now I have to get used to Jimmy being 2 instead of 3.. sigh.. I’m too old for this shit.

            • Jimmy2

              Just demote yourself down a number or 2. Hell, demote yourself down any number you’d like. You’ll feel better and younger. 🙂

            • Baby

              Good Lord..I’m already a baby.. I’ll have to go with embryo than sperm/egg

            • DodoTheLaser

              Jimmy was changing things before, as many others.
              And you are not old, you are smart Baby.

            • Baby

              You have no idea how glad that I came back you intelligent man you..xo

            • DodoTheLaser

              I want to have an idea.

            • Baby

              bawwhahahhahaha Did you just make that up? That is a hilarious response..

      • DodoTheLaser

        Sometimes I don’t know when you are serious.
        I blame it on my numerous concussions.
        I hope you were not demoted for real.

        • Baby

          OMG Dodo.. NOW I AM LAUGHING MY ASS OFF… bawwwwwwwwwwwwhahahhahhhaha ..

          ( Like Tony would take away his number 3 and make him a Jimmy 2) I just love you.. Howdy..Jimmy2/3 tonight..

          • DodoTheLaser

            Haha! I actually didn’t think of that, Baby!
            So if I ever get demoted, I will loose TheLaser and just be Dodo?
            Oh, wait. Everyone calls me that already. 🙂

            • Baby

              hahaha.. You silly..

              Oh by the Way.. Geir was just spotted Walking Across Water and turning water into wine.. Recent Update.

              ( Don’t tell Howdy he’ll freak out..) xo

            • DodoTheLaser

              Dox or stfu 🙂 xo

            • Baby

              hahahahhahahhahahahahahahhah .. OK you win.. Uncle, Uncle..

            • Jimmy2

              Demotion should be the lest of your concerns.. You know Dodos are widely believed to be extinct, right? There are probably people out there in full khaki that would love nothing more than to tranq you and sell you to a zoo.

            • DodoTheLaser

              I am thinking of changing my handle now and getting AK.

            • Jimmy2

              Why? I was kidding. No one is actually coming to put you in a zoo… That I know of, at least..

            • DodoTheLaser

              I dunno. Extinct, gullible, ugly bird with a laser… What idiot came up with that?

            • Jimmy2

              A wonderful idiot came up with that. An idiot who’s not an idiot at all. You’re not extinct, or you wouldn’t be here. You’re not any more gullible than I am, or anyone else for that matter, and I’m sure you’re not ugly. So, please, for the love of God, will you stop pointing that laser at me?

            • DodoTheLaser

              Ah, man. Thanks. My eyes.. Over and out. Later.

            • Jimmy2

              Roger that. Goodnight.

      • Captain Howdy

        I’m giving you a field commission to Jimmy 2 1/2

        • DodoTheLaser

          For all we know he was talking about football.
          2 1/2 is a nice SP reference though. Take it, Jimmy!

          • Baby

            Oh I don’t know Dodo.. We got the whole Milestone 2 thing goin on..

            • DodoTheLaser

              2 and a half % is the number of true SPs on this planet. Hubbard said so.

            • Baby

              But I thought 2 was a nice round # .. but then Milestone2 is all things Hubs..so 2 1/2 it is.. night sweetie…

      • This ruins everything.

        • Jimmy2

          I would blame Baby for this thread, but no one ever believes you when you blame it on the baby. Having said that… This is Baby’s fault.

          • EnthralledObserver

            It’s true… I saw the whole thing go down.

            • Jimmy2

              I deny any responsibility for this thread, but I do need to apologize for having said “having said that”. I am sorry for having said that.

            • EnthralledObserver

              I haven’t even commented on the story yet… how did I get caught up in this weirdness? lol

            • Baby

              Hey, Hey ..whose side ya on EO..? xo

            • EnthralledObserver

              *whispers* Just softening Jimmy1 2 and 3 up for the kill shot … shhh… 😉

            • Baby

              tip toes in.. looks around.. shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh got it EO..

            • Jimmy2

              You didn’t have to do that, I was already quite fluffy. Next time just go for the killshot.

          • Baby

            Yep.. I take full responsibility.. because God Forbid I brought up Geir!

            Lesson Learned.. Never ever bring up anything the ” Boys ” don’t want ya to.. ”

            Mary, Joseph and throw in Kanye West as Yeeesus.

            Alright.. light out, teeth brushed and soft pillow zzzzzzzzzzz

      • aegerprimo

        Wait WAT?!???!???!?

  • Mike Leopold

    Yet another example of the corrosive effects of Scientology’s corruption of Government.

    Do not doubt, for a moment, the likelihood that Scientology, through it’s Intelligence arm, OSA, has infiltrated. and insinuated itself into State agencies charged with the regulation and investigation of its activities. Scientology has, for decades, engaged in the corruption of both political parties.

    The Belgian, French, and German Governments well understand this fact, and treat the predatory cult like the clear and present danger it actually presents. America’s stupidity in this regard represents an abject public policy failure of our elected representatives.

  • AO1

    Maybe this is why the spokesmen T. Davis and “Handler Chris”, was in Durant OK public library the week of aug 20th? And about 3 to 4 wanted sex offenders from various states, and a missing kid that day, which I believe may lead to future problems for the community. So then, the investigators won’t be so far away, and one investigator is on a FBI wanted poster, the other investigator a deadbeat dad in OK, and I have had stalking/harassment problems by them around me in the past. Devon Newman and her former partner in crime were here a month ago too. It’s as if they’re keeping busy for the new Dallas org and running two hours away in another state to work while on the run from their own shadows of misconduct in society.