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NARCONON EXPOSED: Scientology’s flagship drug rehab facility is struggling, records show

NNArrowheadThe Underground Bunker has obtained internal financial records from Scientology’s flagship drug rehab facility in Oklahoma — known as Narconon Arrowhead — which show the toll that recent deaths, multiple lawsuits, and a drumbeat of bad press has taken on the treatment center.

At its website, Scientology says that the Narconon network has 155 centers and groups in 46 countries, but it calls Narconon Arrowhead its “premier” facility, with a 230-patient capacity. In the late 1980s, Scientology chose Oklahoma as the place where it wanted to set up its largest drug rehab center as a model for the rest of the world. Located originally on an Indian reservation in Chilocco, the center took over a former conference center on Eufaula Lake in Southeastern Oklahoma in 2001 and was renamed Narconon Arrowhead.

The drug rehab program uses a combination of lengthy sauna treatments and low-level Scientology training and claims success rates of 70 to 90 percent (which even its own legal affairs officer admitted in an e-mail were based on no scientific evidence). John Travolta, Tom Cruise, and Kirstie Alley have all praised Narconon publicly, and Cruise visited the Narconon Arrowhead facility with Katie Holmes in 2005.

But in recent years, as Scientology itself has experienced numerous crises, Narconon finds itself increasingly under attack. Three patients died at the Arrowhead center in a nine-month period in 2011 and 2012, and the families of Gabriel Graves, Hilary Holten, and Stacy Dawn Murphy have filed wrongful death lawsuits as they await the findings of multiple county and state investigations. Local media has covered those lawsuits closely, and Narconon Arrowhead was also the subject of a harsh NBC Rock Center segment last summer.

The result: Narconon Arrowhead is struggling to fill beds, and is operating at a severe loss.

That’s the conclusion we came to after obtaining Arrowhead’s very recent internal operating and financial records and discussing them with former executives who worked at the facility.

Eric Tenorio, who worked at Narconon in Oklahoma from 1997 to 2004, tells us he hasn’t seen patient numbers so low since the 1990s.

The records we obtained are weekly statistics that cover Narconon Arrowhead’s patients, staff, and gross income for the 14-week period of January 2 to April 3, with each week beginning and ending on Thursdays, in the Scientology tradition.

For each week, we have totals for the number of patients on hand, admin and technical staff, gross income received, overhead costs, money sent to the umbrella group Narconon International, and even the amount of money owed to vendors. As a Scientology entity, Narconon also tracks numerous quirky statistics, such as the number of “letters” sent and received each week (an average of 1,148 and 979, respectively), the amount of ‘bulk mail’ put out — which includes Internet promotional mailers (an average of 172,271 pieces weekly), the number of ‘success stories’ written by patients (184, on average), and total student ‘points’ (a whopping weekly average of 395,290).

“That’s a lot of words cleared,” joked a former Arrowhead employee, who explained that ‘student points’ was the kind of puffed-up statistic that Scientology relies on to make it sound like a lot of progress is being made. “That’s reading lots of pages worth 10 points each, with six words on a page,” the employee said with a laugh.

But Narconon Arrowhead’s situation is no joke. If the facility has a capacity for 230 patients, during the first 14 weeks of this year it averaged only 42 “bodies in the shop” — Scientology vernacular for customers — with a low of 39 and high of 45. That small number of patients produced a gross weekly income of only $59,724 with a weekly high of $100,394 on March 13 and a low of $22,226 on January 9.

“That’s worse than bad. Those are terrible numbers,” Tenorio says. “We had more people at Chilocco in 1996. They can’t operate like that much longer. It just doesn’t work.”

Tenorio points out that for each week, the overhead costs are the same: $133,000. But the gross income isn’t coming near covering that amount, with a deficit averaging $73,276. As a result, Narconon Arrowhead’s weekly cash on hand averaged only $40,970 while its ‘bills owed’ averaged $666,069.

The records also track the oldest bills that haven’t been paid, and at the end of the 14-week period, that oldest bill had reached an age of 425 days.

“Yeah, they’re more than a year behind on the bills they can’t catch up to,” an employee pointed out.

A key number is the amount that Narconon Arrowhead can afford to send ‘uplines,’ to its umbrella group, Narconon International. (NN International in turn is part of the Association for Better Living and Education — ABLE — which is staffed only with Scientology “Sea Org” members.) In the early 2000s, when the facility was operating closer to capacity, former employees say $20,000 to $25,000 would be sent weekly to NN International.

During the 14-week period we have records for, payments to Narconon International averaged only $994.

We’ve put into table form the information for all 14 weeks. Many of our readers had experience running Scientology divisions, and we’d like to hear their thoughts on these numbers. With only about 42 patients, Narconon Arrowhead is not the income-generating powerhouse it was supposed to be.

 

Statistic Jan 2 Jan 9 Jan 16 Jan 23 Jan 30 Feb 6 Feb 13
Bodies in Shop 39 39 42 44 45 40 40
Admin personnel 48 48 47 47 46 48 48
Tech personnel 26 26 25 25 25 25.5 27
Gross Income 43,540 22,226 87,749 88,228 45,426 88,621 61,488
Weekly Operating Cost 133,000 133,000 133,000 133,000 133,000 133,000 133,000
Cash in House 38,123 35,483 39,602 39,886 46,892 54,819 43,749
Bills Owed 671,971 693,796 682,662 653,799 655,298 673,972 645,447
Payments to NNI 1,614 1,374 632 1,066 717 1,035 1,238
Credit Collected 38,821 13,381 16,954 64,060 3,954 37,396 6,603
Bills Paid 70,730 59,269 65,819 76,162 50,251 48,229 79,846
Days from Oldest Bill 335 342 349 356 370 386 393
Paid in Refunds 0 0 12,500 0 0 0 13,165
ORG Reserves 2,544 2,545 2,545 2,545 2,545 2,546 2,545
Building Fund 2,660 2,661 2,661 2,661 2,661 2,662 2,662
Gen’l Liabilities Fund 16,936 16,941 16,941 16,941 6,691 6,694 6,694

 

Statistic Feb 20 Feb 27 Mar 6 Mar 13 Mar 20 Mar 27 Apr 3
Bodies in Shop 40 40 41 45 44 45 43
Admin personnel 48 48.5 49.5 49.5 49.5 47.5 46.5
Tech personnel 27 27 27 27.5 28.5 27.5 27.5
Gross Income 61,488 53,248 28,835 100,394 40,801 89,849 24,328
Weekly Operating Cost 133,000 133,000 133,000 133,000 133,000 133,000 133,000
Cash in House 43,749 42,599 48,005 44,783 32,017 35,895 27,976
Bills Owed 645,447 642,537 628,709 716,513 680,173 673,704 660,941
Payments to NNI 1,238 1,162 526 0 1,283 1,084 951
Credit Collected 6,603 21,228 963 5,938 1,749 13,399 8,341
Bills Paid 79,846 64,000 55,171 42,447 48,917 61,933 70,718
Days from Oldest Bill 386 393 397 404 411 418 425
Paid in Refunds 13,165 10,000 0 0 0 0 0
ORG Reserves 2,545 2,546 2,546 2,546 2,546 2,546 2,546
Building Fund 2,662 2,662 2,662 2,662 2,662 2,662 2,662
Gen’l Liabilities Fund 6,694 6,694 6,694 6,695 6,696 6,696 6,696

 
See more of our reporting on Narconon…

March 7, 2013: Narconon CEO Gary Smith loses counselor certification
March 11, 2013: Scripts spell out how Scientology directs the unsuspecting to its rehab network
April 26, 2013: RAID ON SCIENTOLOGY’S DRUG REHAB CENTER IN ATLANTA
May 9, 2013: Search Warrant Affidavit: Scientology’s Atlanta Drug Rehab Billed $3 Million in Insurance Fraud
June 4, 2013: CLASS-ACTION LAWSUIT ALLEGING FRAUD FILED AGAINST SCIENTOLOGY AND NARCONON
July 19, 2013: STACY DAWN MURPHY: One Year After Her Death, Still No Answers
July 21, 2013: DEATH AT SCIENTOLOGY MICHIGAN DRUG REHAB SPARKS WIDESPREAD INVESTIGATION
September 25, 2013: Scientology Drug Rehab Shut Down in Georgia
February 21, 2014: Federal judge dismisses Georgia class-action lawsuit against Scientology and rehab network

 
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Celebrity Report

We continue not to care about whether that actor guy is maybe dating that television gal, rumors of which the television gal now denies. So now we can go on not caring about that thing we didn’t care about.

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on April 23, 2014 at 07:45

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  • Bavarian Rage

    OT: Book Recommendations? Help me pick one of the following pairs:

    A Piece of Blue Sky, Jon Atack
    Bare-Faced Messiah, Russell Miller

    The Church of Fear, John Sweeney
    Inside Scientology, Janet Reitman

    …and your fav personal account story (I’ve read Blown for Good)

    Reading preference: More compelling, less technical, less soul wrenching

    Overshadowing depression resulting from reading Scientology exposé-type books, has outweighed curiosity and interest until now. But a thoughtful comment from Juicer77 yesterday has tipped the scales in the other direction…I think I’m ready to take the plunge!

    • Juicer77

      I vote Blue Sky and Bare-Faced. Both do a good job comparing historical facts vs. cherch version. Very interesting to see how the CO$ myth developed. Happy reading! Thanks for recommending Blown for Good – that’s next on my list.

    • giggler

      By way of introducing myself, I was only in Scientology for about 3 weeks in 1973 at an incredibly vulnerable time of my life but had a lucky escape (I call it an escape cos after the communication course they wouldnt let me go until I passed the emeter test, that took a few days and some subtle lying, then they sent me 34 letters, 3 telegrams and countless personal visits to my university hall of residence just round the corner off tottenham court Rd), my legs still turn to jelly (or Jello)and my hands still shake whenever I pass that place even today. I think I must have been fairly traumatised by the whole experience! such gratitude that I didnt get sucked in then.

      Anyway for the last 2 years I have had a huge fascination for the subject and have been an avid reader of this and other blogs. Im reading at the moment Bare-faced messiah which I find really detailed and interesting. I finished Blue sky the other day, another really concise and good one. Sweeneys one was the first one I read, a real page turner and gets to the nitty gritty of how they behave. Blown for Good a real nail biter and I read one by by Nancy Many which was so stressful that it too caused nightmares, I had to take a break after that. Jenna Miscavige Hill has also written a great one too. But the ones youve mentioned are all great

      • Bavarian Rage

        Your story is “wow” un-flippin’-believable! A sincere thanks for your reading recommends. A pleasure to meet you.

        • giggler

          And a pleasure to be here too, and such a warm welcome

      • Once_Born

        1973… they were much more active back then, in the UK.

        I remember a time in Plymouth when you could not sit down in certain places close to the Org without being approached by an individual who struck up a conversation, then tried to persuade you to go for a ‘free personality test’.

        Today they sometimes deploy a sad handcart, laden with e-meters and copies of ‘Dianetics’ which is rolled out in good weather… and ignored. More often, one or two glum characters hand out tiny fliers.

        • giggler

          Tottenham court Rd seems pretty quiet these days too, no hustlers pushing free personality tests, stiil scary for me though

          • Once_Born

            Don’t let ’em get to you – you have nothing to fear now, but fear itself.

            • giggler

              good advice, thanks

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        Welcome to the Bunker.

        • giggler

          Thanks, great to be here

      • K2P2

        So glad you stayed strong and got out/stayed out of the cult trap! Your experience of a just a short 3 weeks is damn scary.
        Agree, Nancy Many’s book gave me chills – Had to read in small dosages.
        Jeff Hawkins,Counterfeit Dreams is a winner.
        Welcome to the Bunker!

        • giggler

          Thanks K2P2 great to be part of it, I dont think Ive read Jeff Hawkins book, thanks for the tip

      • And I don’t rent cars!

        I’m adding my, “Welcome to the Bunker” to the chorus. I’m glad to read of your “escape” after three weeks. It sounds traumatizing enough as it was.

        Please come in an stay a while – we’ll scoot over on the sofa and make room for you. Happy to have you come out of the “Lurkers’ Closet” and post. Drop by often and comment even more often.

        Refreshments are at the rear of the Bunker, by the popcorn machine and caek display counter, gym and yoga room is open 7/264/365, so is the hot tub, heated swimming pool, and sauna (no Purif allowed!) which are all located next to the library and computer repair room, the large screen TV is in the media room where we also occasionally show newly released feature films, the Bunker portrait galleries are always open (permanent exhibits are “Bunker Heroes” and “Wall of Shame – Saint or Sinner?”), performance stage is also used for open mic nights and instruments can be borrowed from the music room, operation/campaign planning are in the pool/games room (informally called the “War Room”), overnight accommodations in case of late breaking news stories, late night reading, etc., are… (well, you are on your own there – just get really friendly with someone ASAP), shoulder and neck massages freely given and so are shoulders to lean on or cry on when things get stressful or just too sad (just ask any one of us sitting next to you), no charge for hugs and kisses, and let’s see if I’m forgetting anything… oh yes, don’t forget to have fun!

        See the concierge at the front entrance to pick up a Bunker map and schedule of events.

        Everyone calls me – Cars (and sometimes a liar, too. ;-0 )

        • Baby

          I WOULD NEVER CALL YOU A LIAR TO YOUR FACE..!!!

          HONK HONK.. xoxox

        • Baby

          I WOULD NEVER CALL YOU A LIAR TO YOUR FACE..!!!

          HONK HONK.. xoxox

          • And I don’t rent cars!

            Oh honey, if you did, I’d simply laugh. I simply can’t imagine you doing it. Not with anger, anyway. I’m sure you’d be very sweet about it and then offer to help out me out with my ‘problem.’

            But I dare ya, go ahead and call me a liar, I’d like to meet you face to face anyway!

            Toot! Toot!

            • Baby

              NEVER would I insult you my friend.. Ever! But yes face to face! Toot Toot

            • And I don’t rent cars!

              🙂

        • giggler

          thanks cars, so exciting, great to have taken the plunge

      • Baby

        Hi Giggler..Welcome to the Bunker.. We love new people.. Here is some Caek and a smile ; )

        • giggler

          Thanks delicious

    • Richard Grant

      Just a personal response, but I can relate to your feeling of depression after reading too much about COS. For that reason, I find it easier to handle the more recent books, like Janet Reitman’s and Lawrence Wright’s, because they bring us into the era when the Scientology enterprise is finally starting to unravel.

      I remember years ago reading some of Tony O’s coverage of Scientology in the Village Voice, which goes back way into the 90s. It was just incredible. You just looked at this stuff, aghast, and all you could think of was, These people are GETTING AWAY with this shit. Thank god it’s different now.

      Tony has been on this beat for a long, long time. For quite a while, he was (I believe) the only professional journalist in the U.S. covering Scientology as a regular, ongoing part of his work. If you’re looking for things to read, I would add the Village Voice archives to the list.

    • Techie

      Read ’em all, have fun and don’t forget “Blown for Good”. (I’m in there too). And “Counterfeit Dreams” If you have to take a break from the heavy stuff, read the Sweeney books for comic relief. It’s all worse than you thought and you can’t go wrong. All kidding aside, Atack’s book is still the go-to reference for understanding and the “Bare Faced Messiah” for scholarly detail. The others just fill in personal perspectives.

    • SP Wannabe

      The first two are definitely the most informative, but even as a compulsive reader, I found them somewhat slow going. My fave for an overview that’s well-written without so many details that I had to take notes is Going Clear by Lawrence Wright, and my favorite personal account is Jefferson Hawkins’ Counterfeit Dreams. I would start with those before tackling the textbooks, but YMMV. Hope this is helpful!

      • Bavarian Rage

        Very helpful. Thanks so much.

      • Bavarian Rage

        In the first 2 I was really curious about the life sketch and psychotic tendencies of LRH. Can Lawrence Wright’s going clear satiate my morbid Hubbard curiosity? If so, bring it on!!!

    • OrangySky

      I’d say Bare Faced Messiah and Janet Reitman, though Lawrence Wright’s is more comprehensive.
      I love Jon Atack’s and John Sweeney’s, too, though – read them all!
      Read Jenna’s personal account.

      • Bavarian Rage

        Much appreciated. All suggestions have been so helpful and will shape my reading list.

    • DamOTclese2

      I still think that Bare-Faced is the best in terms of an actual biography of Hubbard. Blue Sky is awesome for a wider picture of the frauds, scams, human rights crimes and all of that, but Bare-Faced gives a solid picture of the conman’s early years, plots the crook’s decline in to abject madness.

      • Bavarian Rage

        Thank you. You’ve answered precisely what I was trying to determine between these two choices.

  • Observer

    I wouldn’t like to be Pornstache Smith right now. I bet Davey is all over him like a rash.

    • Suppressive Meritorius

      I love the “GET ME OUTTA HERE!”

    • Betsy

      SKREEM! Perhaps their statistics are better than we think…after all, the dead don’t use narcotics. They may include the people they kill in up-stats.

    • 10oriocookies

      They actually blame a lot of their situation on me and Luke. If I wouldnt have went on TV everything would be peaches and cream….barf. They fucked themselves and have no one to blame but themselves.

  • Silence of the Clams

    The only thing straight up and vertical about Narconon is the white flag racing up the pole. Of course, the cult will just slap a big red ribbon on the place and have a re-re opening and reg staff for money to make it an Ideal rehab facility.

    Sadly….the minions will blindly search their pockets for change…..if they even have any at this point.

    Great work again Tony.

    • DamOTclese2

      Got to wonder if Tom Cruise has any money left.

  • Bavarian Rage

    Incredible post on NarCONon! Amazing insider info. (Got a chuckle from your cheeky “that actor guy” celeb report, too.) It’s gonna be another good day in Bunker-town…

    • joan nieman

      THDNE’s song is rolling in my head. The Bunker is an icon, a fort, a place of power. Excellent report on the Narconon demise. It is ironic that Narconon has the word “con” in it. Very appropriate.

  • aegerprimo

    Tony you are funny regarding the TC and LP thing. True or rumor, the flood of “press” about it is adding up to bad press for scientology. I like that.

    • Richard Grant

      I’m with you on this. These days anything that brings new media attention to Scientology — even celebrity puff pieces — inevitably casts the church in a weird, creepy light. So I say bring it on.

      • Betsy

        Me too. I normally dislike the stuff you see on the tabloids at the check-out counter…which usually feature nasty stories with awful pics about how somebody got FAT or OLD (apparently no one else does, especially the people who read the tabloids). But the thought of the the tabloids smeared with the most lurid pix and libelous stories about TC and Scientology just makes me gloat.

        • ze moo

          Think of the supermarket tabloids as the vox populi of today’s culture. They let you know how the supposed public thinks of about something. The reputation if you will. Of course it is hard to take seriously anything with TC and the Loch Ness Monster on the same cover.

          • Betsy

            Really? I heard he was dating Nessie…seems she was one of the few celebrities left who didn’t have hesitations about Scientology…

    • Once_Born

      Even Thom Croose knows that any publicity is good publicity – as long as they spell your name right.

    • And I don’t rent cars!

      I think Tony was just asking us to refrain from bringing it into the Bunker and dirtying the carpets
      or fouling the air with a certain scent of “je ne sais quoi.”

      This is what I think: Tony is not only a journalist, he’s an educator, too. I often get the impression that he is also trying to teach us the wild and woolly ways of media, amongst other lessons along the way. He does care about this community he’s created and today, “the unmentionable” was a good “teachable moment” for us.

      Otherwise, I agree with you. The more attention paid to the antics of these celebrity scientologists, the better it is for our side – it all adds up to more ridicule and negative press for the chnrch.

  • Missionary Kid

    Tony, thanks for reminding me that personality-driven journalism isn’t worth caring about.

    Lets hope that Arrowhead closes soon.

    • Once_Born

      And that a legal precedent is established making the organisation to which all of Arrowhead’s income has been passed responsible for all their liabilities (including wrongful deaths and debts).

      • Missionary Kid

        Legally, that will be very difficult, unless it can be proved in court that NarCONon is really Co$ or one of its shadow corporations. That will be difficult, but it is possible.

        • Barbara Angel

          Nothing a forensic accountant couldn’t fix.

          • Missionary Kid

            I believe that it would also be necessary to prove direct control as well. Of course, you know how hard Co$ will fight any discovery attempts with the usual tactics of delay, obfuscate, and lies.

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    While there are a few of those statistic categories particular to front groups as opposed to service orgs, I can tell you these figures show an astounding number of things to me:

    1) Any refund is devastating to all the other statistics and in essence, all staff will suffer lower conditions.

    2) The unpaid bills dates in scientology terms means, in a nutshell, no one is on post. That means either there is someone assigned to handle paying bills but is either too busy, too uneducated or too mentally gone to do the job or there literally is nobody there doing this job.

    3) Ratio of Admin to Tech personnel: This is just wrong on so many levels, even in scientology world.

    4) Org Reserves Fund is in the toilet, but there shouldn’t be any, nor any payments to NNI if they are that behind on bills and operating at such crushing losses.

    5) Don’t know what Gen. Liability Funds are for, perhaps insurance?

    My conclusion is that Narconon is still being staffed with addicts and that they are minus much more than cash. Those figures for number of personnel have to be falsified or perverted. Say somebody comes in to do maintenance once a week and that is counted as 1 personnel.

    Above all, this tells me that there are serious problems at Narconon International. My first question in seeing these stats is that there must be a lot of staff jumping ship at Narconon International. The fact that this facilitiy has been left to twist in the wind this long in this financial state tells me no one is managing from up above, or if there is someone, they are either overwhelmed because they are covering 3 or4 jobs, or they are someone who has no experience.

    This is likely a problem at ABLE level. All the execs who had any real management skills have blown or are in the hole. Lower level staff are leaving. No money is being sent to the franchises to help. Why? Don’t know, but it’s the same question for all the sinking orgs. This Narconon still has a freaking building fund! All I know is that the IAS slush fund is still #1.

    • lightblb62

      I don’t get how they can have ANY bodies in the shop after all the bad press, deaths etc. That rather astounds me more than anything.. that folks are still paying to do the program. I guess they don’t do any research.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Desperation and the cloaking of web referrals that don’t admit it’s Hubbard’s stuff, or even Narconon.

        • NOLAGirl

          Hole, did you get the question I posed to you in yesterday’s comments? I think you were already offline when I posted it. If you did get it and just don’t want to comment….that’s cool too. 🙂

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            No, didn’t Nola.

            • NOLAGirl

              Here it is:

              “THDNE, I’ve kept my mouth shut on a question I’ve wanted to ask you because, well…frankly you intimidate me a little with your knowledge, talent and strength, and I didn’t want you to think I was being nosy…but, what the hell…Have you already or will you tell your story? And if you have, do you have a link? I’m not usually too much of a shrinking violet, but I really didn’t want to pry into your personal business if you weren’t open to discussing it.”

              And just a note, Aquaclara responded saying you were the nicest & warmest person she’d ever met and I told her I had no doubt of that, I just didn’t want to seem like a nosy bitch for asking that question. ; )

      • Once_Born

        In Victorian England there was a roaring trade in private mental asylums, which offered no treatment – only a means to ‘disappear’ inconvenient people.

        Scientology’s definition of a ‘drug problem’ is much more inclusive than the scientific medical model – and I don’t doubt that, if you have money, it can be ‘adjusted’ further to include just about anybody.

        For example, I wonder how many young people (with no real drug problem) who reject their parent’s commitment to Scientology, end up ‘in treatment’.

        • K2P2

          That is a pretty scary thought. Would they stoop that low?

          • Once_Born

            The book “The Psychiatrist who Cured the Scientologist”. is written by a person who suffered from bipolar disorder. His Scientology parents would not countenance psychiatric treatment, so they sent him to an isolated Scientology facility in New Mexico instead.

            It’s not clear if this was some kind of Scientology school, or an early form of Narconon – however, the same principle applies. The CofS made money, and the parents were relieved of a perceived problem enabling them to get on with auditing, like good Scientologists.

            It’s not a brilliantly written book – it was self-published and would have benefited from the services of a good editor – but it is an interesting account of the experience of a young person who did not fit in with Scientology’s plans for him.

            Would the CofS stoop that low? Of course they would. Of course they do.

            • K2P2

              Silly question then. :-/ Thanks for your reply. I’ll see if I can find this book on line. Sounds like another interesting/sad/horrible CoS story.

            • Once_Born

              Not a silly question – more a question from a civilised person who can’t quite believe that an organisation would behave that badly. Good for you. Shame on them.

          • Baby

            YEP! We are talking about a Cult Leader who chained children up in trunks.. This would NOT be a stretch!

      • I know, it just seems crazy in this day and age with the internet and everything there are still people being sucked into the scam. Thing is, a lot of these people will be desperate and the Scientology sales staff are drilled to within an inch of their lives to use all manner of emotional thuggery to close the deal. Already concerned loved ones are instructed that the situation is a matter of life and death, they must act now, now, now. I do suspect that most of the “bodies in pawn the shop” are individuals who have been scammed because the real money, the megabucks, usually comes in to Narconon via insurance companies. I wonder if the drop in income as per TonyO’s stunning DOX, is because the insurance companies are getting wise to the scam, especially after the “Georgia Raids”, and they have now turned off the tap. If that’s true, I reckon its fantastic news on the broader front. The sad aspect is that individuals and families without insurance are now going to be under even greater pressure from equally pressured Narconon “boiler room” attendants.

        Its almost exactly a year ago since . . .

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnfBCxTOL9Y&feature=share&list=UUHtdTDciOh9WgooVuk1EgeQ&index=4

      • 10oriocookies

        You cant fault the people for making a wrong decision while dealing with an addicted person. They are desperate. The real fault lies with the predators who use this desperation to pressure the family into signing up for NN. Its sick.

    • NOLAGirl

      My heart breaks for the people who know nothing of Narconon’s insidious history and truly went there for legitimate help.

      • rotulette

        write here.. Long time ago I read a book: Zoo Station: The Story of Christiane F. (here’s the translation of the French title: Me, Christiane F., 13 years old, drug addict and prostitute – they also made a movie but don’t talk about Narconon in the movie). The story happened in Germany in the 70’s. And when she was around 15 she tried to go to rehab and ended up at Narconon. Very very sad…

      • rotulette

        Long time ago I read a book: Zoo Station: The Story of Christiane F. (here’s the translation of the French title: Me, Christiane F., 13 years old, drug addict and prostitute – they also made a movie but don’t talk about Narconon in the movie). The story happened in Germany in the 70’s. And when she was around 15 she tried to go to rehab and ended up at Narconon. Very very sad…

    • Bavarian Rage

      Many upvotes! You just articulated what my slack-jawed brain couldn’t put into words as I’m reading this article.

    • SP Wannabe

      Thanks for your take on this, THDNE. As a never-in accountant, it helps me make some sense of something that makes no sense at all. 🙂

    • Betsy

      Any narcotics rehab should have at least one doctor and many registered nurses on staff, it seems to me. From what I’ve heard the process can be extremely threatening, especially if the addict is already in terrible health. And they should certainly be using some of the new drugs that make withdrawal less awful, but of course those have to be prescribed and carefully monitored, and can’t be administered by a gang of former addicts who are being paid $2.00 a week. I wonder if the inmates have to live on beans and rice?

    • AnyOldName1

      While we know these numbers will have a severely negative impact b/c Co$ is all about money, money, and more money, the PR professional in me knows how this could be turned around into an asset for them. Hopefully, there is no one competent left and the Chief of Bully is too stupid to know how to do it and he’ll just react the way he always does.

    • DamOTclese2

      Yeah, that refund entry was a surprise, I have to wonder if that was a successful lawsuit.

    • Baby

      Oh Hole.. Thank you.. I needed your explanation. I try to process it when I read it the first time, but you really spelled it out to this Never In..

      Thank you again.. ( Hi to Mr. Hole..) xo Baby

  • Bavarian Rage

    Narc Stats in today’s post, as no surprise, run Friday-Thursday. Which got me to thinking…What’s the purpose and origin of this counterintuitive time cycle?

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Banking hours in England.

      • D.Y.G.

        The 2pm thing made sense to me (Thursday, not so much). I worked for a national chain about 20 years ago. Deposits had to be made by a certain time every day because the money was transferred from our local bank account to the big corporate account at 2. My local bank also once had a 2pm daily cut off or deposits, but that changed a long time ago.

        • Yes, the Thursday @ 2:00 PM came from old banking hours in America when deposits had to be in at that time to count for the next day.

      • Techie

        Actually you could be right but we never got paid on Thurs. The FBO made his deposits to the bank Thurs. but not before 2. Fri. night was paytime if you’re lucky, often Mon. or never…I once knew a staff member that was at Saint Hill before the change, and they told me Fri. night/ Saturday was big time party time where a bunch of staff would crowd into a tiny car and off to the “City” for fun. Including a toke or two, before Hubbard came out against it.

    • Techie

      I assume you are talking about the “Thiursday at 2” meme. Started in Saint Hill, the staff were on a normal “work til Friday take the weekend off and get started again on Monday” setup, and Hubbard said it was no good, they goof around all weekend and don’t get started til Monday, take until Wed to really get going only to slack off on the weekend again – So he arbitrarily chose Thurs. at 2 to give staff enough time to get their statistics together for a rip-roaring staff meeting Thurs night and right back to it Friday. You can judge the success of this by it’s broad acceptance in the wider business world and great success. (NOT)

      • Bavarian Rage

        Thought that might be it…thanks.

      • And I don’t rent cars!

        I don’t question what you are saying but I think it was also standard to pay employees on Thrusdays in England. I know some Commonwealth countries, that were once “colonies” of the British Empire, still have payday on Thursdays. That’s why the bars and clubs are packed on Thursday nights. And that’s why you try to avoid doing business with government offices on Friday – as many are off “sicK” or are too hungover to care about your problems. 😉

        Thanks for giving us that background info on Thursday stats.

      • OrangySky

        “You can judge the success of this by it’s broad acceptance in the wider business world and great success. (NOT)”

        Bwwwah hah hah!

    • SP Wannabe

      I’m a never-in, but I thought it was so Hubbard could get his suitcase o’ cash on Fridays. Anyone know different?

  • 10oriocookies

    There’s Facebook post going on now where a graduate told me I should have my ass beat for speaking out. Apparently this graduate (and others) was fed the line that I am paid a lot of money to lie about what goes on at NN. I guess they will believe me when the doors close at Arrowhead, because that’s where this place is headed. These stats can only be blamed on one group, that’s NN themselves. Their deceitful business practices are catching up with them and its only matter of time before the kick them right in the org nuts. Keep on following standard tech and admin NN, you are your own worst enemies.

    • Richard Grant

      We’ve got your back, 10oriocookies. Or should I say, 10badassoriocookieswhoyoulookinatpunk.

      • 10oriocookies

        I pity da foo!!

    • NOLAGirl

      I don’t know if the person saying that to you is a woman, but feel free to let her know I am not above taking off my earrings. I don’t like internet bullies, or bullies of any kind for that matter.

      • 10oriocookies

        You are so kind.

    • Observer

      I wonder if the “graduate” is still using.

      • fare_based_messiah

        Strictly vistaril as per LRH tech !!!

        • Elar Aitch

          nice handle btw

          • fare_based_messiah

            thanks !

        • Once_Born

          Yesterday, I spent some time with a nurse, and looked up Chloral Hydrate (the tranquilliser that Hubbard recommended for others) in her medical dictionary.

          Basically, it’s a (highly addictive) chemical cosh. Nice one, Ron.

      • 10oriocookies

        check out the thread. It’s interesting: https://www.facebook.com/corey.m.turner/activity/467843033299172

        • Observer

          Whoa

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Not to worry. I think the last day any of them could still even find their own asses has long sailed.

    • MO Mom

      After all, who would possibly do the right thing for free, in their numbed minds?

    • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

      I have been asking drug companies to pay me for years but I can’t even get a free chocolate bar from the drug store at the top of the street.

      • 10oriocookies

        I’ll hook you up with my guy. They pay handsomely.

    • Betsy

      Please don’t tell me that Narconon gets federal money in any form…we already know that taxpayers are paying for the minimal health care allowed to Sea Org people. It wouldn’t surprise me at all to learn that Narcocon has somehow inveigled its way into Medicare or Medicaid.

      • Spackle Motion

        This is highly unlikely because unless they’ve received some grants (which is also unlikely) derived from public funds, this organization would never pass a Medicare and/or Medicaid credentialing process. So, no….they are almost assuredly not getting any public funds.

      • Jgg2012

        It’s tax exempt, so yes, you’re paying for it.

      • 10oriocookies

        I dont believe NN does, but the World Literacy Crusade gets state money. They run the NN program in Compton.

    • DamOTclese2

      Right, I have been watching the Facebook postings by customers who still insist that it is not Scientology, still insist that it worked “for me.”

      The Scientology people on the Facebook pages got abusive as more and more documents were posted to the discussion until they finally did nothing but call people names. The people presenting the evidence stayed polite and professional.

      • Once_Born

        The discourse of Scientologists in online discussions generally miss the work quickly down to the bottom…

      • 10oriocookies

        It’s a bunch of name calling and “I know best” from them. I used to be like that too so I cant fault them too much….

    • scnethics

      Eric,
      Can you explain how with fixed expenses of $133,000 and average income not covering half of that, the “Bills Owed” stays roughly flat over this period? Shouldn’t that figure be increasing by tens of thousands of dollars every single week?

      • EnthralledObserver

        I was thinking the same thing… $cilon maths? Or help from the mother ship?

      • 10oriocookies

        You are asking me to be logical about $ and Scn. I would feel more comfortable if you asked me to walk on water.

    • OTVIIIisGrrr8!
      • 10oriocookies

        He better show some respect when talking about me. I’ll put that little fucker over my knee and give him a good spanking. Funny thing is there wouldnt be shit he could do about it.

      • Jgg2012

        Did the one on the right just do a purif?

    • Robert Eckert

      You know what that means: THEY’RE FUCKED!

      • 10oriocookies

        I couldnt have said it better myself… well maybe. I’ll give it a shot. They are totally fucking fucked.

    • Baby

      <<<<<<<<<<—————- I will blow my smoke in their face for you 10 .. PROMISE

      • 10oriocookies

        Thx Baby. I need a smoking baby in my corner for back up. You are hired.

        • Baby

          I work for Cookies.. So we are good to go! xo

  • /derail . . . well, its kinda related to Scientology’s “we help with drugs” scam.

    Headed north on a bit of a road trip over the weekend. Here’s the result . . .

    http://youtu.be/_ZewPbwi36w

    • Missionary Kid

      Thanks, I enjoyed that.

      I noticed that instead of the X combined with a cross that they had a rope-like design that seemed to disguise the X so it looked like a regular Christian cross.

      May New Zealand be rid of $cientology soon.

      • Free Minds, Free Hearts

        I think New Zealand is already rid!

        • Missionary Kid

          I noticed that the sticker on the Vulture Minister’s vehicle windscreen was an old one. Does that mean it’s not registered currently?

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Thanks for the tour. Remember, that one lone staff member entering the crumbling building has as her first and foremost duty and stat: IAS $ donations that week. ScientologyDoesNotExist. Exhibit 24X.

    • DeElizabethan

      Fantastic video, thanks!

    • And I don’t rent cars!

      I adore road trips. I especially loved this one.

      What a sad, neglected “duchess” of a building. On one hand I hate to see it left to decay like this, but on the other hand, I don’t want the chnrch to get its claws on it and whore it up like their other Ideal Org’s. Another sacrilege of theirs – in either case.

      I notice in these photos of empty Orgs (Ideal or otherwise) there seems to be a shiny new vulture ministers’ van parked in the lot. I wonder if that’s another form of mandated advertising for them – giving the illusion they are an active, traditional chnrch… or something.

      Thanks.

      • aquaclara

        notice the date on the inspection sticker. Hehhehehehe.

    • Victoria Pandora

      AWESOME!

    • pluvo

      Thanks.
      I see, that’s how unprecedented expansion looks like. At 12:00 I heard crickets. Is that for real?

      • About as real as James Bond ; )

    • aquaclara

      This is simply great. And what an ending – LOVE this.
      Thank you.

    • Betsy

      What a great film. LOVED the ending. Made me imagine a day when Tory, Tony, Karen, Jeffrey, et al will be celebrated at a huge REAL gathering, with REAL people clapping and cheering, and dancing, to celebrate the fall of this awful thing.

      I was pleased to find out what an Ideal Org looks like. There are no orgs of any kind near me…thank goodness, as something like that would kill the property values for miles around.

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      Thanks Vistaril, that was terrific! Great ending. You should share with Mike Rinder since he has a series on the IdleMorgues, and could add this as a post. I love the ending. The only thing that threw me off was a slight sense of alarm while you were always driving on the wrong side of the road:)

    • Qbird

      Cool Visaril ~ this was nice to ride along with you. Beautiful.
      Such lonely emptiness at this ideal mOrg chirch.
      Photographic evidence. thanks. very well done Doll.

  • sugarplumfairy

    “Bodies in shop..” No company but idiotic scientology would refer to their customers this way..

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      and “raw meat”. Both those terms were little red flags, but you get colorblind real quick when all the way in the bubble.

      • kemist

        Normally, the thing that is done to “raw meat” is cooking.

        I don’t know, but being refered as something that will be cooked or has been cooked is not something I would like.

        I want my brains to stay quite “raw”, thank you very much. It kind of function better in that state.

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      But, but………….”you are not your body”………….

      {I am so confused!}

      • El Con Blubbard

        You are raw meat when you enter any scientology building – and you will get ground up if you stay. Then you have exteriorized into something – a theetan. LOL

        • joan nieman

          Raw meat? I would say I was well cooked .

          • Betsy

            SKREEM! I was looking in the mirror this morning…way OVER-COOKED is what I saw…like one of those chickens in the roaster at the supermarket that has obviously been there for weeks. Sigh. Old age is not for sissies. Nor for people who like to spend time in front of the mirror.

            • joan nieman

              My hair had straightened out through the night. I looked in the mirror, by accident mind you, and thought I saw the wicked witch of the west. I ran and plugged the curling iron in. The curl didn’t hold so the heck with it!

    • Richard Grant

      Those terms came straight Hubbard’s mouth, right? Funny how his utter callousness is embedded in the inalterable language and culture of the church.

      I also love “body router” which I gather is the official title of the person who stands out on the street handing out personality tests or flyers or whatever it is. There’s an epic thread on one of the “ex” forums by someone called Wieber recounting his years on staff in this role.

      • flyonthewall

        Seems like $ci looks at and treats its members/gen public as if they were robots. Phrases like “plugging into a terminal”, “getting back on lines”, “OT/clears coming off lines”, “body routing”. People aren’t humans in $ci, they’re units to be processed like widgets in a factory. Very misanthropic “religion”

        • kemist

          Being merely human and having such bad human emotions as sympathy, (both “low-toned” feelings as per the fat fuck) or love (which is never even mention anywhere on their stupid tone scale), are bad things in scilooneytoonology.

          If you do some X-termination work on Craigslist, you’ll even see some of their ads stating ” Tired of being human ?” side by side with things like depression.

          • flyonthewall

            I have doubts about the effectiveness of swatting CL ads. Call me paranoid but if I was an OSA op I would love to see critics playing whack-a-mole on CL rather than getting together and strategizing on more effective actions or educating yourself on $ci history/policy/current events etc

            • Juicer77

              It’s something we can do if time is limited and we don’t live close enough to an Org to protest in person. If it stops one person from losing their life, sanity or savings, I’m in.

            • And I don’t rent cars!

              There’s isn’t any reason why we can’t do both. And flagging ads is a great way to educate yourself on their marketing and advertising strategies. Knowledge is power and the more one knows about all aspects of $ci strategies, the better armed one is.

              Plus flagging ads doesn’t take long, people only devoted the amount of time they have, plus it’s a morale boosting activity. It gives great you satisfaction in knowing you are doing SOMETHING active and gets rid of a lot of frustration that builds up when you start feeling a little helpless or overwhelmed in realizing how big this monster is.

              And I disagree, getting rid of those ads is another way in preventing the vulnerable from picking up the phone, buying their first copy of Dianetics or other propaganda piece, prevents their names and addresses from getting into the direct mailing machine, or crossing the threshold to their first org.

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              Flagging Craigs List is certainly of little value if it’s not your thing. Posting altered photos of Ideal Orgs or Scientology personalities is of little value if it’s not your thing. Writing lengthy rebuttals on forums is of little value if it’s not your thing. And so on and so forth.

              But taken all together, it is the cumulative effect of each of these things that has inexorably moved public perceptions as well as Scientologists themselves. I do believe this.

            • flyonthewall

              Certainly not my intention to denigrate or poo-poo anyone’s efforts against the cult.Re cumulative effect, I hear you. I can see CL flagging is popular here so I didn’t really expect a different response, I guess it’s just not my bag. One of my fav things is recommending an anti-$ci book in casual conversation with new people I meet 🙂 Btw, just because you’re paranoid doesn’t mean they’re not following you!

            • John P.

              In many circumstances, you’d be correct. If there were merely a handful of dedicated and committed activists trying to dismantle the cult, focus would be essential for those folks to make sure they made the most impact. In that circumstance, leaving the “little stuff” like Craigslist ads would make perfect sense.

              On the other hand, as the Anon protests in 2008 showed, the cult is vastly outgunned on almost every front, and activists now have great ways to coordinate their actions. If you posit that the cult is at best evenly matched or, more likely, outgunned in battling activists, then using our superior firepower to help choke off the supply of new recruits, is time reasonably well spent.

              There’s a secondary benefit to the Craigslist campaign: convincing those poor slobs in the cult tasked with this project that their efforts are futile, and that there is no hope of driving expansion of the cult. If you are a young kid who is drinking the Kool-Aid and you are tasked with trying to bring people in the door, the fact that everything you do is quickly extinguished and that nobody comes in the door could eventually wake you up and cause you to blow. That’s a battle worth fighting for… witness the recent Jillian Schlesinger departure from the Sea Org…

            • flyonthewall

              Well said John, as always. For any software developers here…would it be possible to create a program that does this?

            • John P.

              Technically, it wouldn’t be too hard to knock together a little bit of Perl or Python code to fake the low-level HTTP conversation needed to run a search, extract the resulting articles and flag each of them. They don’t attempt to use any tricky dynamic JavaScript code to obfuscate links in order to forestall such a thing, as they do on some sites (Scribd.com these days, for instance) to prevent “web scraping” all the content. You’d probably have to put in some sort of random delay for each request since CL probably has a limit on the speed of requests to their servers in order to deter automated requests. That’s only a couple of lines of additional code.

              However, I would argue that doing so would not be a good Internet citizenship, because of the possibility of accidentally flagging other ads from legit businesses that share an address with the cult or that in some other way end up getting caught in our search filters. And the whole point of the exercise is to use the cult’s bad Internet citizenship (i.e., the blatant flouting of the Craigslist “terms of use” rules) to make it hard for them to recruit additional members. Thus, I would suggest that it’s important to continue with manual flagging…

            • flyonthewall

              Ok, I only understood about half of what you just said but that’s ok I’ll take your word for it

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Yep! But it is against CL’s TOS to use such a thing.

            • aegerprimo

              John P – I shared your comment here on the Craigslist Project thread at WWP.
              https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-75#post-2448383

            • Eivol Ekdal
            • Robert Eckert

              I’m pretty much homebound (dealing with an aging parent) and broke (bits of tutoring work) so there really isn’t much else I could be doing. Swatting the ads may not be all that productive but beats doing nothing.

            • flyonthewall

              Don’t mind me, I’m a very pessimistic person. John P makes a good point about its effectiveness. Keep on keepin on!

    • aquaclara

      It’s because the breathing part is optional in their counting.
      Horrifying cult should be shut down.

    • Bob

      This was coined by LRH and it gives you an idea of the actual care and compassion the orgs have for people. And now a days with management getting so desperate people are looked at the way a cat looks at mice. There are still staff who believe they are helping, as on the surface they see people having wins. What they don’t see is the people going out in the world and losing.

    • Bob

      This was coined by LRH and it gives you an idea of the actual care and compassion the orgs have for people. And now a days with management getting so desperate people are looked at the way a cat looks at mice. There are still staff who believe they are helping, as on the surface they see people having wins. What they don’t see is the people going out in the world and losing.

  • media_lush

    As for that actor guy/TV girl story I admit that it’s tedious but the interesting part to me is always the story behind the story….. I’ve never seen a such a standard piece of gossip like this being dragged out with a yes one day and a no the next for this length of time; I can only surmise that the media are deliberately fucking with the Cruise PR machine for the lulz.

    • RMycroft

      Or it was the Cruise PR machine that started it. “Tom’s image desperately needs to be seen to be dating!”

  • Bury_The_Nuts

    Liquidity problem much?

  • Barb Snow

    This is the best part: “The result: Narconon Arrowhead is struggling to fill beds” — better yet, the day when they have no beds to fill.

  • Phil McKraken

    Narconon’s treatment regime:

    “Drugs are bad. MmKay?”

    • NOLAGirl

      “Drugs are bad. MmKay? Now will that be cash, check, CC, stocks, bonds, organs, your first born?”

      Fixed. 🙂

      • Once_Born

        Got that? Good. Now stare at each other, without blinking, while I go and… do some research…

        • Phil McKraken

          OMG. As if we needed yet another slang term to describe heavy drug use, it’s funny that Scientology has given us, “researching upper levels.”

          • Once_Born

            “Have you seen George – he’s three foot back of his head – thinks he’s a giraffe…”

      • “Here, take this niacin, and sit in the sweatbox for hours on end.”

  • Techie

    Breaking news! Heard it on the radio on the way to work: Mike Evans’ “Hollywood Report” says Suri gets $250,000,000 on her 18th birthday from Good Old Dad TC and Connor is publicly breaking away from Scn. Don’t know if this is really new news but just in case it is, try the link.

    • Richard Grant

      Thank god she’s got a responsible parent to help her keep things in perspective.

      • midatlanticcoast

        I agree. I think 18 is way too young to be in control of $250,000,000. I’m thinking of myself at 18 – yikes. Hopefully, it will be in some kind of trust or something with someone in charge other than TC or one of his scientology cronies.

        • Bob

          Suri’s trust will be more like a few million. Plus college support. Cruz is nor that rich, as Tony pointed out.

        • Eclipse-girl

          There are several different trusts that could be set up. It could be dependent on state laws as to when Suri would get unfettered access to any cash.

          I do hope that Katie makes sure Suri is well educated when it comes to financial decision.

    • mook

      apparently Connor was “dating” Alanna Masterson (sister of Chris and Danny), but Alanna went solo at Coachella which makes me believe it was a PR setup.

    • Tony Ortega

      So much for trying to make a point about tabloid bullshit.

      Since Cruise was only worth about that much when the divorce occurred, that’s probably where this rumor came from and he’s hardly in a position to turn over a trust fund of that size.

      As for the reports every other week that Connor or Bella or Tom himself are leaving Scientology, we’re not impressed.

      • Techie

        Point taken, wrist duly slapped, not paying attention to that kind of shtuff normally. The morning radio guy editorialized that it would all go to Scientology (better call the station and set them straight on that). There’s not a lot of love for Scientology out here in the Great Midwest Flyover Country, one reason I’m here.

        • Tony Ortega

          Nothing personal. But you see how this works. Radio guy spews some bullshit, you bring it here as “breaking news,” and already, below, someone is talking about Suri “handling” that money as if it were now a settled fact.

          Would love to see a little more skepticism involved.

          • ze moo

            Gossip mongers live on taking all the bullshit in and repeating it. Is it a step up from the bigfoot alien space babies as foretold by Nostradamus’ As this ‘story’ doesn’t conform to the ‘movie star dating/not dating tv star’, I wonder who made it up? The ‘who is leaving $cientology’ stories seem to be in the same vein.

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85ODBLO1IhQ

          • RMycroft

            These fluff waves work so well at drowning out all the real Scientology stories from the news feeds, and discussion. Some might be planted for that purpose, but most of the rest come from the same place as Bat Boy’s love life.

            Did I say Bat Boy? I meant Tom Cruise. It’s so easy to mix them up.

            • RMycroft

              Has anyone ever seen them in the same room?
              fresh

      • Mooser

        One can hope, can’t one? As for me, my breast will be eternally springy.

      • DamOTclese2

        BREAKING: Tom Cruise is losing his hair!

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Talk about “blind” news items:
      “When Suri Cruise turns 18, her daddy, Tom, has arranged for her to get a lump sum of money. How much will Suri get in her birthday card when she turns 18? Is it 150 million, 250 million, or 500 million?Tom Cruise is not as happy with his son, Conner, as Suri! Conner just told his dad he’s pulling out of Scientology – translation, Conner won’t be getting as much help from old dad.”

      And that is IT. Mike Evans is paid to write, and then report this with a straight face?

      I am in the wrong business.

    • EnthralledObserver

      That’s what Suri would have received (from the CO$) if Katie had just accepted her daughter IS LRonny returned… :p

  • Sid_Snakey

    These numbers don’t seem to tie together or add up in any way. But then, I am neither an accountant nor familiar with the inner workings of Narconon. I guess there must be other data missing.

    Seems odd that the number of “Admin” staff outnumber the (hopefully-not-soon-to-be-dead-)bodies in the shop.

    Why is the Gross Income so different between the 9th and 16th Jan, given similar “bodies in shop”?

    • aquaclara

      I suspect that the gross income is only counted when the payments are received from patients and their families. Some are probably on installment plans; others may be relying on insurance.

      • joan nieman

        Good thought Aqua. That does sound reasonable.

  • aquaclara

    The unpaid bills are increasing each week, well past the point of being written off by vendors. If that’s an average of the days unpaid, imagine how long it’s been since the oldest bill was even looked at.

    Vendors typically shut you off when you don’t pay the bills. This often marks the end of a business. And it also destroys any reputation one might have had in the community. Here, that can’t be doing any more PR harm than three deaths didn’t already do. The overhead costs are extremely low, especially considering how many employees there are. I would hope the W2s come out in one of the lawsuits, showing whether or not these people are paid staff or “volunteer” slaves. The degree of care must be atrocious.

    The bill that gets paid first is to NNI. I am surprised the vendors haven’t filed in small claims court to be repaid. If the vendors are WISE members, and therefore discouraged from filing, they must be upset, but surely must be able to stop supplying – one would hope.

    Now that there are still 40 patient victims makes me sad beyond belief. I hope they get away, untraumatized by this experience.

    This is useful information, and I Tony and those who shared this. Eric, thank you and always good to see you in the house. Wishing you the very best, my friend.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Some Will be WISE members, aqua, but also some “bills” will be for marketing, promotion and owed to say Bridge Publications org. And you are right, the number of personnel is a highly manipulated stat. And yes, this shows the insanity of scientology financial policies. They are basically bankrupt and yet still have to pay off the top out of Gross! revenues the money owed up lines. Can you imagine having a building fund. I don’t see any stat for IAS donations. I’m wondering if this is covered up somewhere, not reported at all somehow or … perhaps it is THE reason ABLE is not sending emergency missions with cash in hand. No IAS $, no help.

      • aquaclara

        It looks to me like the last three categories are set up so the Org (interesting word choice of theirs, btw) doesn’t have access to those accounts.
        Org Reserves, Building Fund and General Liability Fund – all three are underfunded accounts to begin with, since they don’t even cover one week’s overhead.
        They may have been set up when the facility was established, and who knows who the signers on those accounts might be at this point.
        This is speculation, based on the assumption that if they HAD access, they might have withdrawn funds from there to pay uplines or to the loudest screaming vendor.
        How do they eat? How about the plumber? I guess the vitamins supply is still running, or there would be no Purif.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          In orgs there are staff/posts that are stationed locally, but are part of upper management levels. FBO is one example, Flag Banking Officer. Confusing, I know, but that’s in service orgs. The Treasury Secretary of an org often has multiple people to answer to or has to get signatures and approval from depending on where money is going. Yes, there are policies that certain funds are not to be touched … normally. This is where NN Int and Able come in, or should have, to release any funds and in any way, gotten cash in. They likely eat crap and do their own plumbing. The vitamins might be coming from uplines. It really has to be as they are expensive.

          This franchise has for all intents and purposes been abandoned. What few actual staff still remaining might be sea org only now, sent in to man/milk the last drop. The rest will have figured out that there is no rescue team coming and their necks are all on the legal chopping block. They are on their own. I’d run for the hills too.

          • aquaclara

            Legal chopping block…..that’s probably the only thing MORE frightening than unpaid vendors and screaming uplines management looking for their payments NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW. (with a nod to Chris for that phrase!).

        • Betsy

          If the niacin supply ran out and the sauna broke down, it might actually result in HEALTHIER clients.

  • Sherbet

    “a drumbeat of bad press” — I love the Proprietor’s way with words.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      especially considering who originally owned the land this deathtrap sits on:)

      • Sherbet

        Ha! Nice point!

  • PreferToBeAnon2

    Tony, have I told you lately how much I love your reporting? Consider it said.

  • Dean Fox

    Frankly shocked that there are 42 patients. There should be none.

    • Missionary Kid

      It’s a matter of the way that bodies are routed in. People who are desperate don’t check up on a facility that has such high claims for success, until after the treatment doesn’t work.

    • Troy MacGyver SP

      That’s what I thought. Is there no internet in,Oklahoma?

      • ze moo

        If Arrowinthehead gets their patients in the usual NarCONon way, those patients may come from anywhere in the US. Why do people still fall for the Prince of Nigeria Email scam? Because they don’t do any research and they have a enough greed, but not enough sense to pull it off. The internet should kill off NarCONon too, but it will take time. Part of the problem is no real oversight by state health authorities. Didn’t Oklahoma pass a law that should have shut down NarCONon? No they only closed of the separate ‘detox’ facility.

        http://www.mcalesternews.com/breakingnews/x1981930665/Narconon-Arrowhead-loses-state-certification

    • Betsy

      What shocked me is the news that drugs are easy to obtain and some of the “staff members” are drug users. Tom Cruise: “We are the experts on drug rehabilitation!” Yeah, right.

      • Dean Fox

        The only reason that didn’t shock me is that I am very much aware of the church of scientology’s ineptitude in anything other than gathering money.

  • Pierrot

    Yesterday we boasted that we were making progress.
    Last night co$ flooded CL with their fraudulent ads.
    Get some ointment for your wrists and flagging fingers
    Do what you can and come back later for more.
    Every little bit helps.

    https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-75#post-2448172

    FREELOADER Debt is ILLEGAL and CAN’T BE ENFORCED. Call 1-866-XSEAORG
    DON’T route out, BLOW, Get HELP, get OUT, Call 1-866-XSEAORG
    Ty Baby

    • EnthralledObserver

      I’m getting the distinct impression that this whole CL thing by the CO$ is now just a game they are playing with critics…
      I’m not criticizing the efforts of all or any, but I do wish everyone’s time could be used more productively… these idiots ($cientology) should have given over by now. They aren’t going to win! What a waste of EVERYONE’S time!

      • Panopea Abrupta

        They do NOT have the time to do this if it is unproductive.

        That makes it productive to me – I keep these idi-OTs from doing damage elsewhere
        AND I can help keep bodies out of their shops.

        Even 1 person saved from their clutches is a huge WIN for me.

        • EnthralledObserver

          Yes, I hear you… I just wish you didn’t have to do it. I’m frustrated that they keep coming back even though it’s pretty obvious it is a pointless exercise for them in the long run.

        • EnthralledObserver

          I felt the need to sharpen my point… I think what you are doing is productive in regards to stopping $cientology’s abuse of CL… and I don’t knock you or anything for doing it. My point is that all $cientology’s efforts feel to me to now be about ‘retaliation toward’ or ‘a game’ with critics. I feel they’ve already lost this battle with CL, and to persist now is just wasting everyone’s time – theirs and ours – because until they stop, we can’t/won’t stop. They need to concede defeat already!
          Of course, as others have pointed out, what else would they do with their time, because productive to WOGS is probably at complete odds to what $cilons think that word means.

          • Robert Eckert

            I feel quite the opposite. When I started flagging, the links would bring up multi-page responses (hundreds of ads, so when you were done with the page you had to click a Next thingy). They are getting beat down to handfuls, in comparison.

          • Robert Eckert

            I feel quite the opposite. When I started flagging, the links would bring up multi-page responses (hundreds of ads, so when you were done with the page you had to click a Next thingy). They are getting beat down to handfuls, in comparison.

            • EnthralledObserver

              That’s interesting to know.
              It makes me wonder just how many individual people they have working the CL thingy…

            • Robert Eckert

              Fewer, I think, than there used to be. “Dana” in San Francisco used to post like mad, but now it seems to be mostly the San Jose mission posting in a rather desultory fashion.

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        Actually, I don’t think they have much else to do. They can’t spend much money because they don’t have it. There are all these worker bees who need to be kept busy, busy, busy. And I cannot help but believe that there is some involved and lunatic “Craigs List Chart” out there filled with columns of figures that somehow prove that there is a success story in all this.

        • Pierrot

          Excepted for JJ in Boston (who I suspect works on commission), the biggest co$ users of CL are the missions see Tony in Sacramento, Karen in San Jose, Ventura, and Tampa, Tucson. The other ORG like Portland, Seattle, DC, NY are really dabblers in comparison.

      • IASREG

        It is really a Scientology program to utilize virtually free advertising to defraud and harm victims by practicing medicine without a license. Often the ads clearly say that Dianetics/Scientology can help “heal” or help the victims with depression, illness, anxiety, etc.. Ads are even posted stating they can teach methods to help injured people – no license needed! Virtually free advertising and practicing medicine without a license = profit. The game is profit.

        http://tonyortega.org/2013/10/09/anonymous-and-craigslist-proof-that-scientology-knows-its-under-attack/

        • Once_Born

          Also, perhaps the same principle behind email spam operates here.

          The response rate may be miniscule – but the adverts can potential reach so many people that this does not matter.

          There are people out there who will read such an advert, and find false hope – and one is one too many.

          • Barbara Angel

            And that’s exactly why I spend hours per day flagging my fingers off. They are peddling “false hope” to ensnare fresh victims. And as PA said above “even if one person is saved from their clutches it’s a huge win for me”.
            The false hope is such a calculated part of the scam that it sickens me.

  • As soon as DM will find out about today’s bad PR, he will fire/declare some people and replace them with Sea Org members. Scientology Int. will pay all bills to avoid any further Ortega coverage.
    There is a way to solve the problem. Let’s hope DM acts as stupid as he did in the past. Only then Narconon Arrowhead is going to disappear.
    Maybe a new Narconon will pop up. DM could then sell it as going “ideal”. All he needs to do is ask for a new building 20x the actual size.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      If it means paying off some of their long-suffering vendors, then that’s a good thing anyway.

      • flyonthewall

        Their vendors should be encouraged to boycott them and refuse to do business with them

        • Especially that Scn Int. could afford paying the bills.

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          I am sure these vendors have already stopped providing any services as they attempt to get their overdue bills paid.

          • flyonthewall

            If so, they will pay for their insolence

  • Mary_McConnell

    Haha!! Karma’s a bitch!

    • DamOTclese2

      🙂 And Karma is always fair. 🙂

  • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

    Bodies in the shop only 43 is bad.

    That they spend more in bills than they make in weekly income is bad.

    That their dateline for paying bills is getting larger, rather than shortening, is bad!

    That their refunds was recently 0 the last many weeks was good.

    Their gross income is pretty poor, it means only 2 to 3 starts at most, or payments to start, weekly.

    For 48 staff, they are consumed with their existing 40 patients.

    The good point is this might mean whoever blows staff next, might find this blog, and give you a recent update of the horrible staff conditions that this type of low production rate forces on the staff conditions.

    Expect blows from staff! Hope they contact you Tony with updates!

    • Pierrot

      Hi Chuck, long time no see.

      Please check the link and tell me if we should include any of the links proposed in our Xseaorg appeal?

      http://tonyortega.org/2014/04/12/why-is-scientology-cruise-ship-caught-up-in-a-lawsuit-about-human-slavery/#comment-1333633601

      • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

        I think a survey of recent defectors to find out from them which sites on the internet helped them most, like “10 Best sites per ex member survey.” (Frequently Asked Questions by ex Scientologists.)

        Then seperately a full list of all the blogs and sites with months and months of reading or viewing.

        Plus a nice separate list of all recent and past books with good short Kirkus type reviews that really get the most important points of each of those books!

        • Pierrot

          Chuck, Unfortunately i am not in a position to supply / find out any of the above.
          I would think One Website, simple, not aggressive and with links to helpful non anti other sites (halfway houses).
          Until such time as somebody can come up with the survey and results.
          We are glad to be your messenger.

          • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

            No worries. The 866-XSEAORG gets about 5-10 calls a month, almost always silent calls to check out what the number is. I’ll change the message to tell callers to check out a site listing my favorite links (or link to Xenu.TV), or something.

            So always okay to keep listing it any way you want.

    • Michael Leonard Tilse

      Hi Chuck!

      I was reading JohnP’s comment above and I don’t think he knows about the policy of “Dateline Paying.”

      I think he is seeing those 425 days oldest bill in terms of usual business practice. And scn does not work that way.

      I don’t remember dateline paying very well. I wasn’t on finance lines. But an explanation would be great.

      Hope you are doing well.

      • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

        The number of days in the “Dateline Paying” statistic, if increasing is bad.

        “Days from oldest bill” is the Narconon way of saying “Dateline” of the oldest bills.

        Whatever the number of days is, it means there are bills that are that number old!

        The Arrowhead dateline to pay their bills has added 2 months (60 days), which is horrible, just in first two months of this year! Means they essentially are NOT paying their back bills, and are over a year behind in paying some of their bills!

        If “Days from oldest bill” (Dateline) is increasing, that’s really bad, and to increase that fast so far this year is badder.

  • aquaclara

    Given the very high number of “tech personnel” it would be hard for Scientology to deny that the ecclesiastical bullshit is integral to Narconon treatment.

  • Mark

    Amazing how you can even turn spreadsheets into fascinating reading, Tony! (Refresh):

    • Sherbet

      Poor Joy…

      • Mark

        Yes – she’s a nice girl, but a bit too enthusiastic, if you know what I mean…

        • Sherbet

          Oh, I do.

          • Mark

            The phrases “no better than she should be” and “all fur coat and no knickers” come to mind (pursed lips)…

            • Sherbet

              She has to pay for her purif somehow.

  • Lurr Kurr

    I went to Narconon and was there for a year and a half first as a student, then as staff. The things I saw and experienced were out of control. I really should write this down and make it available for others to read.

    • Do it, please 🙂

      • Lurr Kurr

        F$!k it, I’m doin it. It’s been too long and too crazy a journey not to share.

        • Elar Aitch

          popcorn…

        • flyonthewall

          Congrats Lurr! Looking forward to it, every additional voice helps. Should seriously think about sending it your Senator/Congressman too

          • joan nieman

            Good plan Lurr! Looking forward to it.

        • Betsy

          Oh, we’re all sending you energy to do this, LK! What an amazing document that would be, and it would HAVE to become very important to the efforts to bring this down. Please, please keep doing it!

        • DamOTclese2

          Oh hell yes, please do.

        • Free Minds, Free Hearts

          Lurr Kurr I look forward to your story. Your personal experience will be so powerful for people to hear. I agree with Fly – when you write it up, send it to the state elected officials in your state because too many states are not adequately monitoring this quack treatment.

    • aegerprimo

      Yes please!

    • OrangySky

      Go right ahead.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Welcome to the Bunker! We would love to hear what you have to share.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Tony’s email is right up there. Left hand side of the page. Your story is vey important.

    • aquaclara

      please!
      And great to have you here. There are a lot of us here who worry about what NN does to people. Plus the rest of Scientology.

    • And I don’t rent cars!

      Welcome to the Bunker, Lurr Kurr! I’m happy to see you come out of the Bunker’s “Lurr Kurr’s Closet” and post. 😉

      I’m also glad to hear that you want to write about your experiences with Narconon. It’s will be a fascinating read, I’m sure. It’s good news to know that you came out the other end of the Narconon process, from student to staff, alive and well. Looking forward to more posts from you in the meantime. Pull up a comfy set and make yourself at home.

      BTW, I encourage you to also contact Tony Ortega, our proprietor, to help you write some of your story here as a future blog post. Being a lurker, I’m sure you have read his other stories and know how trustworthy, compassionate, and thorough he is in writing the personal stories of people who have been affected by scientology. In addition to writing your own story, please consider contacting him at: tonyo94@gmail.com

  • Room 101(Nick Lister)

    I was in NN end of 2009 and there were probably 150 students there, along with about 60 overall staff. This is a rough guess but pretty close. You could tell the weeks that GI was down because our dinner’s might consist of the most simple soup for dinner(potatoes, carrots and beef in seasoned water). That place is quite huge and the cost of operating is definitely not low, especially in the January and February months when there’s still snow in Oklahoma and the heaters have to be on across the campus. They don’t pay most of their staff hardly anything as they go off the Scientology admin “unit system” where depending on your position on the org board you were allocated ‘x’ number of units and once all bills were paid, what was left for payroll was divided by number of units. But besides about 2/3rds being that kind of staff member, the other 3rd are outsiders paid to work there and though they aren’t paid much, its still a big bill compared to how much money they are pulling in right now.

    Almost all the staff members I knew from when I was there have since left and their accounts of the internal workings were as dismal as these leaked stats. Additionally, I saw probably about 12 people graduate in the almost 3 months I was there and they 1 for 1 all relapsed. Add to that about the 50 students I stayed in touch with from the program on facebook or telephone after I left and I can say with certainty that about 48 of us relapsed right after the program as well.

    While I was there about a dozen or so of the staff members were regularly using drugs. It really wasn’t hard to get drugs in there even though I personally never tried as I couldn’t see the allure to being high in the middle of nowhere in Oklahoma with a student body 95% consisting of men.

    Though I think the Purif is actually a beneficial program, the sad part about NN is that they offer zero counseling and they’re claims of 70% plus only serve to dishearten its patients and their loved ones who’ve sent them to NN. The true success rate cannot be above 10% by any stretch of the imagination.

    • flyonthewall

      Glad you made it out ok and thanks for sharing your insights!

    • OrangySky

      Thank you for your amazing insider insights and I hope you’re healthy now! One caveat though: you may have found the Purif “beneficial” – I’m sure for some basically healthy people, it leaves them with a ‘cleansed’ feeling – but for any addicts with liver damage, those mega-doses of niacin can be toxic. Many addicts and alcoholics have various degrees of compromised livers. And long hours in the sauna – for anyone with high blood pressure or any arterial damage – could actually be deadly. PLUS – you DON’T sweat out “drug residue.” You just don’t. There is no science behind the Purif – ZERO. It’s important to remember that.

      • Betsy

        Thanks and double thanks for reminding us of this, Orangy. Solid reminders of the PURIF con are always welcome. It would be interesting to see the death certificates of the dead who have been reported: was severe liver damage involved?

        And heavy saunas can be fatal even to non-addicts, if (for example) they have heart disease, as you point out. That’s why in well-run spas you will see warning signs recommending that people with heart disease avoid them or use them for very short periods of time. My hubby, who had a triple bypass, was instructed to “bypass” saunas in general.

        And that sweating crap: absolute BS.

        Has anyone ever figured out what the “blue ooze” is that the NY firemen seemed to be emitting? They were damaged enough already. I hate to think what the Purif might have added to that.

        • . . . Has anyone ever figured out what the “blue ooze” is that the NY firemen seemed to be emitting? They were damaged enough already. I hate to think what the Purif might have added to that . . .

          Yep. There’s more than a few ways a towel can be made to change colour. Iodine is the usual agent, especially if the towel has been starched. Another old trick that’s been used for a very long time by scam artists to “prove” their “medical” claims. Basically, you infuse potassium permanganate into the towel and it will turn blue when exposed to moisture. Scientology’s use of the “ooze ruse” dates back to L Ron Hubbard’s “Clear Body, Clear Mind”. There were some reports of the 9/11 fire fighters suffering ill health, one involved a fireman who nearly died after being told to stop taking his asthma medication. Its hard to tell how many may have suffered some sort of damage. A compromised liver, for example, may not actually show up until well after “Purification” and the link not made. One thing, the New York firemen were pretty quick to spot the scam and issue warnings. Unfortunately, that exploitation of 9/11 by Scientology did prove to be very profitable for the cult, especially with Tom Cruise out front running celebrity fundraisers . . .

          http://youtu.be/Y_mD4hjE0-w

          • Betsy

            Thanks for this info, Vist. I have stopped thinking of Tom C as just a silly, deluded front. He is a DANGER. Putting people who had already suffered damage through that Purif and THEN grabbing attention and getting press for the Chorch…disgusting.

    • aquaclara

      Thanks for giving us a peek inside, Room 101. I hope you’re doing well now, and appreciate your sharing this info.

      I hadn’t really thought about the effect the false 70% claim has on the patients before. How awful this must be to see the reality mixed in with that big fat promise emblazoned on everything. The outcome can only be that there are a lot of people who feel overwhelmed by failure.

      Damn, damn cult. Damn cult.

      • Robert Eckert

        It’s so typical of Scientology: everybody is made to feel that other people are getting great wins on these “rundowns” so why aren’t they, and the other orgs are always booming so why isn’t ours?

  • ze moo

    “that oldest bill had reached an age of 425 days”, so Arrowhead is now a ‘cash only’ customer for any vendors? The separate detox facility they were putting together (did it even get what ever approval was needed?) is going to be a ‘cash only’ customer too. With a capacity of 230 and an actual high patient population of 45, the facility is so hemorrhaging red ink and living on the credit that vendors have extended to them. Fail, and about time too, now the addicts who were messed up on drugs won’t be messed up on Lron. It is a shame, some where helped, and even being messed up on Lron is better then dead. I think.

    When Arrowhead takes a swan dive into the cesspool, will Davy start a campaign to rescue it? Any excuse to ‘raise’ money seems to be the clampires mantra. Perhaps Krustie Ally can do a national tour expounding how the CON saved her again. And buy her ‘energy drink’ from Weight Watchers too.

    The whole ‘movie star’ and ‘TV star’ thing got into high gear about 10 days ago, and now has degenerated into ‘TV Star’ sezs it ain’t so. I smell a poorly thought out and poorly executed rumor run sponsored by the folks who brought you Xenu in a can. All that did was connect the TV Star more closely to the ‘chirch’, a career move that always hurts. The ‘movie star’ is so connected to the ‘chirch’ that nothing can save him. But at least the tabloids tell us, again and again, that ‘movie star’ is not gay. I wasn’t really wondering, but why all the heavy denials? It’s not like masusse-gate was about to hit the papers again, was it?

  • There’s no golden age
    Time has tarnished everything
    It’s gold gilded rust
    @scientology #haiku #rust

    Christians buy Bibles
    But how oft do they buy new,
    forced to by church head?
    @scientology #haiku #BuyNewNOW #CorrectingSemicolons

    Think about Bibles
    Imagine being rewrote
    In name of profit
    @scientology #haiku #RewritesForProfit #NoProphet

    No $cieno Prophet
    It’s only about PROFIT
    Worshiping money
    @scientology #haiku #NoProphet #Profit #Money

    Can you see the Pope
    Demanding Catholics rebuy
    New rosary beads?
    @scientology #haiku #RebuyAgainandAgain

    “Bodies in the shop”
    How dehumanizing that’s
    To those seeking help
    @scientology @narconon #haiku #RespectPeople

    Please save people from getting involved with a cult and flag these. http://cleveland.craigslist.org/search/eee?query=scientolog*|dianeti*|%226607+pearl%22|%22440+499+0294%22|%22440+567+7287%22|%22216+598+0347%22

    Please help save anyone getting a cult based ‘therapy session’ and flag these! Dallas CL posts

    Boston’s been through enough, stop a cult from gaining a toe hold and please flag these. http://boston.craigslist.org/search/eee?query=scientolog*|dianeti*|%22448+beacon%22|%2250+vassar%22|%22617+266+9500%22|%22617+945+5300%22|%22857+247+0648%22

    Please flag these and help save Denver from a cult. http://denver.craigslist.org/search/eee?query=scientolog*|dianeti*|%222340+blake%22|%2214901+e*+hampden%22|%22303+789+7668%22|%22720+432+3350%22|%22303+725+4620%22|%22303+725+9571%22|%22303+910+3020%22|%22970+217+8881%22

    • aquaclara

      MIss Tia, these are as always, terrific. You have a fun mind that comes up with serious stuff, then pops in #CorrectingSemicolons at the same time!
      Laughing and crying here….thank you!

      • Thanks aquaclara! I try to interject some humor when/where I can, it lightens up the darkness a bit! 🙂

  • Panopea Abrupta

    David Miscavige: the Golden Rage of Tech

  • Bradley Greenwood

    Why are there ANY patients at all? It seems there will always be a steady stream of morons to serve as grist for their mill. However, it’s heartening to see the “mill” operating at far less than capacity.
    I believe that, eventually, Scientology will cry “uncle!” and pack it in. If they thing this will “all go away”, they are quite foolish indeed. However, these ARE the folks who scream at ashtrays…

    • kemist

      While I think that there is an unextinguishable flow of morons everywhere (after all 40% of the people here voted for a government they know has been funded with mafia money because they are scared of being asked a question), I think that in NarCONon’s case, there is just plain ignorance involved.

      Not everybody reads internet news, especially among the older population which might be sending their addicted children to them. When they do use the internet, it’s for shopping, and they are not used to sift through all the disinformation that exists in the online jungle. As for patients themselves, in the condition they are in when they seek treatment…

      That’s why it’s very good news when the lamestream media get involved, even if I stopped taking them seriously years ago. When they have anything valuable to say, it’s always very late. But there are still people who won’t see news until some teflon-haired newscaster feeds it to them in scary soundbites.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        “Not everybody reads internet news, especially among the older population”. I’m in that population and I and hubby help Older than us senior citizens and veterans, some who served in World War II !, with their computer problems and tutoring for basic activity like email, news, music, youtube, document saving and printing.

        But they still watch Fox News and CNN but mostly local news on TV. Like everyone else, some are more attached to their life long illusions than others.

    • Eclipse-girl

      When a family or an individual deals with addiction, it is usually because they are at a crisis point.
      They need help fast.
      They are not thinking well because they are under stress.
      They probably feel they have a very small window to get the help they need.
      They may think that any place that exists would have to deal with the state regulations, not realizing that regulations is some states are essentially nonexistent.

      They do not do the research that they should.
      Fast talkers / shysters on the narCONon phone lines LIE to people.

      • Sherbet

        You’re exactly right, E-girl. Having been in a similar situation, I know when you’re desperate, you accept any promises of hope.

        • Eclipse-girl

          These people are desperate and therefore vulnerable.
          That makes them easy prey for the damned cult

  • John P.

    This is a pretty epochal set of numbers. This is clearly a disaster for Narconon Arrowhead, and it clearly shows the effects of bad publicity as a result of the deaths and subsequent litigation. However, you have to keep in mind that Narconon Watsonville is doing much better, with about 4x the revenue of Arrowhead, and there may be other facilities that are doing better than this one.

    Strategically, this suggests that the efforts of activists is making a difference. Bad press, particularly if it leads to regulatory action, will put them out of business. But because the organization is a many-headed hydra, it will need to be shut down with pressure on each individual center, rather than simply exposing the brand name overall, as has clearly been effective with Scientology as a whole.

    Financial Analysis: It would be particularly useful to look at this in conjunction with the tax returns for 2012 that Tony has been publishing. Let’s take a stroll through a couple of the numbers.

    Gross Income: If they’re taking in $3.1 million per year annually (extrapolated from these numbers) but they’ve got $7 million in operating expenses, then that’s a massive cash deficit that has to be made up from somewhere. And given that cash on hand is bouncing around $40,000, they don’t have enough assets to cover it at the local level. They must be getting some sort of subsidies from somewhere “uplines” or they wouldn’t be able to keep the doors open. And the real “revenue” number that would count in a real business is probably lower, since the Gross Income number includes essentially advance payments for an entire stay at the facility as well as recurring payments. So they may only be seeing $2.5 million or so in actual revenue against $7 million in expenses.

    Weekly operating cost: Hard to figure out what is included in this number. In particular, this could include other payments “uplines” so the cult is still pulling cash out of the operation as it circles the drain. And it could include unrealistic accrued expenses like advertising and marketing promotions budgets, in an attempt to make the staff feel worse about how they’re doing. But it could be made up solely of basic cash operating costs such as salaries, food and utilities.

    If the latter case, then it’s pretty remarkable that with a sustained low level of performance like this that the cult hasn’t moved to stanch the bleeding.

    But, of course, Hubbard’s vaunted “Admin Tech” is just a textbook course in how to fool yourself with statistics, so that you can prove that white is black. And since everything that Hubbard wrote about the causes of making an org “boom” is Holy Writ that can never be challenged, when things start to head south, they are powerless to stop it.

    Bills owed an Days from Oldest Bill: If you translate this into standard accounting terms, this is “accounts payable.” If revenue is $3.1 million per year and they’re sitting on an average of $666,000 in unpaid bills at any one time, then they’ve got about 60 days of sales outstanding in the form of bills. That’s probably a little worse than most companies, but not disastrously so. The “Days from oldest bill” is a stupid statistic that nobody in the real world would care about; it’s probably a single bill that is in dispute that they’re sitting on, perhaps a legal bill or something like that.

    It would be useful to understand whether the “bills paid” includes payroll, since the aggregate “bills paid” in this period ($873,000) is more than the Gross Income ($836,000). So if they’re paying more in cash to outside vendors than they are taking in, they are burning cash from somewhere, even if they have cut staff pay to zero. Ouch!

    Strategic analysis: The business appears to be flat, with minimal or no expansion, and a history of significant cash operating losses. In a normal business, this is something that you have to clean up, sell, or shut down. You can’t sustain significant operating losses in a business forever.

    You have to look at results for Narconon Arrowhead in conjunction with the results from the rest of the chain. In particular, the fact that Narconon Watsonville was operating relatively close to breakeven in 2012, per Tony’s recent publication of their tax return, suggests that there are localized problems at Arrowhead, and that the business across the rest of the organization is not in as much trouble.

    That means that this thing is a many-headed hydra, which has to be dealt with all at once. We can’t just kill off one node and then take on the next. They grow back, as we have learned from Michigan, and they re-open under a new name. The fact that the designated showcase for the whole chain is failing so badly should give us all hope, however.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      “Designated showcase” is, I believe, a significant factor in this story. NN Arrowhead was created to be THE premiere establishment– the one that they could point to with pride. TC has toured this facility. It is (dare I say) the “Ideal Org” of Narconon facilities.

      So it makes sense (Scientology Sense) that it would continue to operate, month after month, at such a loss. It MUST appear as “upstat” as possible. Otherwise, Dear Leader is revealed, once again, to have no clothes.

      • And I don’t rent cars!

        I think this is true, that is until Celebrity Narconon (in Ojai, CA, at Larry Hagman’s old estate) is opened with its traditional gaudy fanfare. That will become its Ideal and flagship Narconon. If you and I are both correct, then NN Arrowhead will be kept open and operating at a loss until then.

        I believe this based on the YouTube videos posted by the woman who infiltrated the Sea Org at Flag last year and recorded presentations given to the Sea Org about it. But I could be wrong. Who knows with this lot and Miscavige’s brand of long term planning – for the Narconon brand.

        • ze moo

          The Cleb NarCONon may be the future of the brand name. If the ‘flagship’ can’t make a go of it, who can? The NarCONon brand name does seem to be making money in Michigan (if under another name) and Watsonville, but what about the other locations?

          Use the high cost, high level of service boutique rehab model, ‘Passages for millionaires’. Better return on investment and its easier to get the health department off your back if Tom Cruise runs interference for you. Even changing the target market is doomed to fail, NarCONon is $cientology, and the internet never forgets.

          • Sibs

            Yeah, see if this style of drug treatment is good enough for those same celebs who keep talking it up, if they would be willing to send their own kids there.

            On the other hand, if one of these kids relapses or something else bad happens, then DM has an even bigger shit storm on his hands that that family will have the money and power to see through.

          • Betsy

            I keep thinking of that stupid monologue by celebrity airhead Tom Cruise: “WE are the experts on drug rehabilitation…”

            I really wish he had been forced to go on the police raid, not on some pre-packaged tour arranged for him. I also wish he were forced to hear what some of the family members of the dead or the defrauded have to say.

          • And I don’t rent cars!

            I hope you’re right and, at best, it will merely postpone the inevitable. I am hoping Hambo’s (Ryan Hamilton) cases will generate enough negative press, and SOON, that even the Celebrity Narconon will be dead in the water before it even opens. Nevada and its headlines are closed enough to California to seep over the border and into people’s awareness.

            Unfortunately, before that comes to pass, how many more lives will be lost or ruined, I sadly wonder.

    • ze moo

      If only Watsonville read the McAllister news. If only there was place where you could go and find the history of almost anyone. Until consumers learn to check the history and reputation of anyone they do important business with, all is lost. As ‘all news is local’, has the Narc brand name been turned into ‘enron’? We can only hope, though the ‘admin tech’ may kill that business off first.

      http://www.mcalesternews.com/local/x493453854/Lawsuit-requests-evidence-in-Narconon-investigation

      • Free Minds, Free Hearts

        If only we had some technical way of searching for information and getting results quickly, right away. Maybe someone could invent something like that using telexes or newfangled computers…

        • Robert Eckert

          Don’t use those computers. If you give them a four factoral problem, they’ll get a neurosis.

          • Once_Born

            Or, if you force them to conceal information, they become homicidal.
            I saw that happen, in a film…

        • John P.

          That sounds like a great idea. We in Global Capitalism HQ would love to invest in such a thing if someone were to come along and invent it.

    • kemist

      What worries me is that they can still keep doing this even if the NarCONon name becomes so tainted no one wants to touch it with a 10 foot pole.

      They’ll just change the name, and hide the scilon connection deeper. It’s kind of their modus operandi since the beginning, and it has worked. Each time they do this they get more suckers and more money and the delay between internet efforts like WWP uncovers it and the lamestream media picks it up is too damn long.

      • Betsy

        I hate to say it, but you’re right, kemist. They have become so adept at simply moving sleazy businesses away and attaching new names to them…it will take sharp eyes to check whether Narco-Con facilities start popping up under new names, with the same old crappy services.

    • . . . Strategic analysis: The business appears to be flat, with minimal or no expansion, and a history of significant cash operating losses. In a normal business, this is something that you have to clean up, sell, or shut down. You can’t sustain significant operating losses in a business forever . . .

      But . . . but . . . but . . . what say the business is fraud? ; )

      Thanks for this, I was hoping you would chime in with your usual excellence in explaining spreadsheets to struggling innumerates like me . You’re bang-on with your assessment that picking-off Narconon’s fronts one-by-one is futile when dealing with Scientology’s hydra-like approach to fleecing the public. I’m not sure if its just a line from a movie, but “follow the money” seems to be practical advice in this situation. Just how much of the “Bills Owed” is heading up-lines in terms of things like licensing, materials, and “assistance” from HQ? I wonder, too, who owns any real estate and other assets that can be quickly and quietly evaporated should the crumbling edifice actually topple.

    • Betsy

      Wow. Thanks for the analysis, JP. The bad news looks much worse in your explanation.

    • I hate when my bosses complain about small outstanding crap on our aging.

      • ze moo

        In the real world, the 30-60-90 day receivables is the companies life. Dealing with a customer who can’t pay you by 90 days is sure sign that customer is either a fool, or trying to fool you. They are working on your money. and that really pisses off small business owners

        • Yeah but sometimes there are little expense sheets or receipts that someone forgot and they might be four or six months old and the person submits them for payment. So then they pop up on my account and sit on my aging until I finally get to bill them in the next bill cycle. Until then I get harassed to no end about the piddly $300 expense that someone forgot to submit. Ugh.

        • Not only that, but word gets around. I once dated a woman whose sister and brother-in-law owned property and an insurance agency on Lakershim Blvd in Los Angeles. The b-i-l told me that Bob Hope and his people had a reputation for not paying bills on time. This was when he was probably worth 200 M$ with all his real estate holdings and the like.

    • Ernie Gordon

      John P., on days with financial focus I always look for your posting because your analysis puts things into proper perspective. Tony O. should have stickies so you and other key commenters can manage sub-threads for certain subjects – it often gets too convoluted with off topic comments to cogently follow the discussion.

      • Jimmy3

        Sticky posts is a great idea and should be implemented. But in the meantime, if you want to find John P or any of your favorite posters very easily, you can ‘follow’ them. Click their avatar image, click follow. Then, on your Disqus home page, their comments will appear under the ‘People’ tab.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      The operation loss items are going to include fees for services and materials from many scientology entitites and I suspect that the majority are included in these figures. Promotional materials, vitamins, books, course packs, lodging, marketing, a whole host of “management and cosulting” fees, and then you have commissions to the referral website operators as well as Narconon salesmen. The meaning of these statistics are unlike any normal business in the real world.

      However, it’s important to understand that for other facilities like the one you mentioned as doing 4x the business, they will automatically have that much more straight off the top of Gross Revenue going directly uplines. It doesn’t make Any difference whatsoever how much revenue any one entity is raking in because unsustainable % of gross always goes up and out that same week. It doesn’t matter what their expenses are or their net. The more coming in just means the more going out. What really happens is that naturally that franchise collapses, a mission (team of flying management monkeys) will descend, declare and threaten everyone within screaming distance to get more money and bodies in the shop Now or Else. Their stat graphs are reconfigured with lower do-over numbers and off they go … insane, isn’t it?

      This cycles through over and over with each organization shrinking each time with less staff, less public, less customers, less everything. Today what we are seeing is a few franchises here and there propped up for show because Miscavige can’t prop up all of them even if he wanted to and no signs of that intention anywhere.

      • aquaclara

        Considerably false. Hmmmm. You know something we want to know, la la la la la.
        The only reason why a false number would be provided is to inflate the positive stats….right?

    • Michael Leonard Tilse

      John, have you read the “dateline paying” info on how scientology orgs pay their bills? This might change your analysis about that 425 days oldest bill.

      A description from lisamcpherson.org:

      ** PAYMENT POLICY **

      L. Ron Hubbard, founder of the Church of Scientology, wrote policy letters that the church has bound into books (the “green volumes”). These are considered scripture by the church and cannot be cancelled, since only Hubbard himself could cancel policy. The “green volumes” are where financial management is discussed.

      Hubbard wrote that the church was to use a “Dateline Paying” method of paying bills, which means a date in the past is selected according to how much money the department has, and then any bills due past that date are paid. “Tell Accounts, ‘Give me every bill we owe prior to August (three months ago).’ Add these up. Let’s say the amount exceeds our cash. Cut it back one month. Order ‘Write cheques for every bill up to July 1.’ (That’s four months back.) That we can cover fully with cash.” (HCOPL of 28 January 1965, “How to Maintain Credit Standing & Solvency”) If important bills are overdue and threats are coming in, “Still try to use the above system. But if you can’t, pay it and retard other bills accordingly. And thereafter, don’t pay that outfit’s bill on any other terms than threatened trouble… Be very proud and haughty about bills. NEVER propitiate.” (ibid.) “In the case of a tradesman demanding for a bill only slightly overdue you will usually find they have done poor work or slow work if you’re at all solvent and paying your bills. Don’t say ‘We’re too poor and we can only send you a little but we will try.’ … Say properly ‘I don’t see that your bill is much overdue. It takes a bit of time to pay a bill you know. I will check over your account and see if it is all right. And by the way, people who dun us either have insufficient finance to handle our business or something is wrong with their bill. I am setting your bill aside for audit and if you call again about it, we will sever the account.” (HCOPL of 28 March 1965, “Emergencies and Accounts Personnel”) “Disbursement NEVER pays from a received bill alone. All bills received are first filed in the Disbursement files. Then the file is reviewed as a whole when the time comes to pay bills. It is forbidden to short circuit this line and pay bills just as they drop into the In basket. They are filed. Then all files are reviewed once a month, summated and the result entered in a statement sheet in the file folder and on a Bills Summary Sheet…. when thereafter requested to do so, the Disbursement Section makes out the cheques as indicated or readies the cash.” (HCOPL of 6 May 1964, “Accounts Policies”). It appears that bills must go through a lengthy bureaucratic paper shuffle before payment is finally made.

      Also, the Church of Scientology is highly compartmentalized. Any bills are generally paid from the particular local department or section and not from some general fund for the entire church. Therefore, the church as a whole may be wealthy, but the local department may not have the funds to pay its bills. I am not sure of the system in such a situation, but my general opinion from reading church policy letters is that the local section must not ask for funds from above, they must instead go out and make the money needed.

      • John P.

        Michael, thanks for the research with the official “policy” stuff. What Hubbard describes may have worked in the 50s and 60s when vendors didn’t really communicate with each other and where it was hard for a small business to get a sense of who they might be dealing with in a potential customer. But today, where there is a lot of credit agency data for companies and where the internet allows industries to talk to each other, the word gets out and it wouldn’t surprise me if the cult finds it hard to get people to come in and do stuff for them. And those that get sucked in probably won’t come back until they get paid.

        • Michael Leonard Tilse

          I guess my point was that per scientology policy, the 425 days for the oldest unpaid bill is not an outlier. It is probably about where they are with regard to paying many bills.

          Dateline paying says you only pay the oldest bills up to the month which you have the money for bills. Start at the oldest unpaid one and come forward until you run out of money. So they have a stack of unpaid bills 425 days deep. They might pay a few that are totally urgent or vital things like power and water get turned off. But that is only a few. And given Chuck’s observation, might be the ONLY ones they are paying since the oldest unpaid bill days old statistic keeps increasing.

          Edit to add: I HOPE that word gets around. One thing that might happen is they start using businesses run by scientologists to do their work, etc. Then the scios can’t beef because they risk being expelled.

  • Just Dee

    I wonder where the 10% commission for referrals goes on these charts?

    • Sherbet

      That’s an excellent question, Just Dee.

      • RMycroft

        Is there a line for threats and payoffs?

        • Sherbet

          No, those funds come straight from the church. Oh, wait. Narconon and the church are in no way related, despite the tax return we saw earlier this week.

          • joan nieman

            Some contradiction eh?

  • Narapoid

    Narconon is the last place that scio can find “raw meat”, and it is dying an ugly and well-deserved death. On a Scio “Org board”, it is Division 6 that represents new people and the “stress tests” aren’t working anymore. As the new mayor of Paris , Anne Hidalgo, said of Scio: “It is not a church, Scientology, it is a movement that attacks people in distress.”

    Someone in the throes of addiction is damn sure in distress.

    NN is a lie that is being found out in the news and the courts, and is smearing more of Scio’s feces in it’s own face. Someone I force to listen to Bunker stories (we are at work, and doing the work, OK, No shirking!) actually CAME TO ME with questions about Peaches Geldoff and Scio. That whatever he saw on TV led him to believe that Scio killed her. I answered honestly that I didn’t know, but I wouldn’t put anything past Scio as a cover up. (Lisa MacPhereson).

    Next for us is saving the pilgrims inside. Disaffected had a moving story yesterday about folks who have most of their life (40 years) dedicated to Scio and are showing signs of awakening. Nick Lister (Room 101) just posted a strong story here and his Mom and Dad are supporting in love, That means cutting out 3rd party Cult of Scientology.

    The end of this goddamned thing can’t come quick enough.

  • Panopea Abrupta

    Red-X Red-X Red-X

    Fight the vulture culture of the $ciloons.
    Keep bodies out of their shops.

    https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-75#post-2448172

    • Sherbet

      Working on Boston and Tampa (which is very long) and where I found this gem in the listings for “no license needed” to help ill or injured people — “They were Successfully used at the World trade center on 9-11”

      Pompous, lying, aggrandizing, fakers. Take ’em down!

      • Barbara Angel

        “Pompous, lying, aggrandizing, fakers. Take ’em down!”
        Yep, Sherbet red X-ing is my daily calling.
        Little fingers flagging as fast as they can.
        The bare faced LIES on C/List cause me to turn savage.

        • Sherbet

          Some of you do a LOT more than I do — which I appreciate — but after taking a hiatus from flagging, I’ve found religion again, and I’m back at it. It’s important, and I’m with you.

      • Robert Eckert

        Yeah, you go through all these ads that are annoying and then, all of a sudden, one of them just INFURIATES all over again.

        • Sherbet

          You said it, Rob. I make sure I skim each ad to be sure I’m not flagging an anti-sci ad by mistake, and sometimes the idiotic claims just jump out at me.

          • Robert Eckert

            The ones that prey on the foreign students in Boston, the ones that want to advise you on raising kids, the ones about not knowing which people to trust (“are you easily conned? Then Scientology wants to talk to YOU!”)

            • Sherbet

              Sickening. Grabbing students with little life experience and not a great understanding of English.

    • Sherbet

      I’m curious, PA — With the flood of advertised “seminars,” do we know how many people actually walk into the Boston org in one week? We need a spy.

      • Davka

        I would volunteer but…nah, nope, no way, no how!

        • Sherbet

          Same here, Davka. I talk a good game anonymously, but not in public. Which is why I greatly admire anyone who does raids and uses their real names. Bravo to you gutsy people who put your faces right out there.

          • Davka

            Me too, subject to care arrangements for little Miss Davka. I think Mr. Davka knows that I would make this a must do on the calendar!

            • Sherbet

              By the time Tony is signing books in Boston, your little Miss D might be in middle school. We’re all still waiting (im)patiently for Tony’s book.

      • Barbara Angel

        Calling all volunteers from Boston please………………

      • Captain Howdy

        Go down to the pine street inn, grab a guy, take him over to beacon, buy him a jug, and tell him to start counting.

        • Sherbet

          Excellent idea. I’m afraid it might be one of my relatives, though.

          • Captain Howdy

            If i went down to PSI right now I’m sure there would be a few people I know.

            • Sherbet

              The people I know tend to go to the Salvy shelters. Stay straight, my friend.

            • Captain Howdy

              Salvation Army is a cult! They make you do back breaking work unloading trucks and then they give you like $15 at the end of the week, I did day labor a few times at their distribution center in Roxbury. It was really, really hard work, but at least I was getting min. wage.

            • Jimmy3

              I would give a Salvation Army worker $15 to stop ringing that goddam bell. Even for like an hour. Shut up. Stop it. You’ll get more money without the stupid bell.

            • Sherbet

              Amen to that. At least there are no tubas and tambourines.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              They could make a fortune if they used cowbells instead. Who wouldn’t pay to make them stop?

            • Sherbet

              What? We LOVE cowbells. More cowbells!

            • Captain Howdy

              The Church of Walken
              ….

            • Jimmy3

              Can’t embed this, but the Walken Family Reunion on SNL:
              https://screen.yahoo.com/meet-family-000000344.html

            • Sherbet

              That’s an interesting way to put it. Sounds like Sea Org.

              Years ago I knew a guy who was making 6 figures a year as an exec, but he never met a drug he didn’t like. He was living at the Salvy eventually. No message here, just history.

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            Do it for the team, Sherb!

            • Sherbet

              Um. It’s raining, TH. Plus Howdy is closer to the place.

  • RMycroft

    If Arrowhead is running like that, sooner or later, they’ll start cutting things they shouldn’t just because Thursday is Coming.

    Narconon Chilocco example:
    Narconon’s Trash Service Halted March 6, 1993, Michael McNutt, News OK

    • Bob

      No one mentions the refund rate. 4 refunds in 14 weeks. That means over one refund a month. This is a stat better not reported. Does not speak well for delivery. That’s probably what the general liability fund is for.

      • RMycroft

        Usually they’re pretty sticky about refunds, i.e. even if they kicked out and abandoned some kid at a flea motel after a few days, the starting position was always “NO!” (Flexible with a gag clause if the family lawyers-up.)

        What got broken such that they’re handing out so many refunds, and we’re hearing about them?

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          These are probably refunds that were part of the legal cases occurring (or maybe about to?) but very likely not recently requested. The other possibility is that they are being less miserly and slow to write the check with all the legal and media spotlight at the moment.

      • joan nieman

        It is a failure as a business that is for sure. Vitamins and sauna…come on!

    • Barbara Angel

      Which clearly means they are all dragging their bums along the ground because there is NO moneeeeeeeeeee for toilet paper.

  • Still_On_Your_Side

    I think that Narconon will be holding a fire sale of its assets soon, leaving only the celebrity rehab center quartered in Larry Hagman’s former residence. As it sinks, I predict law enforcement will get some courage and will bring actions against it. There are too many bitter former employees and ex-members for Narconon to get away with a clean bankruptcy, if that’s what it is hoping to do. Too many people know how the Narconon spiderweb extends all the way to Miscavige.

    By the way, I wonder if “my church has never discriminated against gays” celebrity TV girl has met “my church hates gays” Jenna Elfman?

    • Jgg2012

      Yes, they should discuss the cause of AIDS.

  • nottrue

    Taken from a Newport Beach Ca. narconon ad .It was at 1810w oceanfront and was closed down long ago

    • Sherbet

      Where are all the gushing testimonials that list the other helpful lifestyle changes KA has made: “Jenny Craig works! It saved my life!” and “Dancing With the Stars works! It saved my butt!” Then that’s crossed out and it says, “Organic Liaisons works! It saved my life!” followed by “Jenny Craig didn’t work then, but now it works! It will save my life!”

      Sorry, Kirstie, but I’m feeling especially nasty today.

      • Mooser

        “Dancing With the Stars” saved her butt? Well, at least we know which TV shows take on the big jobs.

        • Sherbet

          Well, it shrank it temporarily, anyway.

  • Jefferson Hawkins

    I suspect that Narconon Arrowhead’s statistics are a microcosm of Scientology statistics as a whole. Every one of their “Ideal” Orgs is overextended and empty, and is likely only managing to keep the doors open by using some of their “Ideal Org Donations” to pay utilities. Their monthly bills are probably higher than what they take in on services alone, even with staff pay cut to a minimum. It’s an unsustainable scene. Their strategy is probably to distract the faithful with grand new “Ideal Org” openings while quietly shutting down others, just as they have been doing with the Mission network. There used to be hundreds of missions with 20 or 30 staff each, now the typical mission is two guys and a dog in someone’s living room. There are NO missions operating in Portland any more – I’ve checked. They have all quietly closed.

    • ze moo

      All of the pyramid symbols that the clampire uses have 4 levels. With the missions doa, there are only 3 levels left. This must be killing off the new meat. The missions used to be the best ones at getting those few who could be roped in, into the clampire. You can’t kill off your best salespeople and expect to keep the same number of customers.

    • Betsy

      That’s interesting. When I go to Red-Flag, if I check Portland there are very few ads also, and they usually seem to direct people to someone’s home.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      That’s pretty much ,uconclusion, Jeff. The scientology brand is just a shell company. Miscavige is only outlaying cash for his IAS events, his IAS salesmen and his IAS trophies for his IAS whales. When he assigned all staff And public! as his deputy salesmen for the IAS several years ago as their primary stat and duty, that was the beginning of the end. Every activity and order he has made since then has assured a decline in both staff and public who are there for scientology and nothing else. SuperPower was his last shot and that seems to be flailing as well. No Maiden Voyage events, Dianetics event this year will be a street carnival on Hubbard way, Auditors Day, nope. Auditors ordered OFF the Briefing Course.
      Not sure what more it will take for those still hanging on to realize it doesn’t exist anymore.

      Just a club for a few weatlhy families to gather for applause and photo ops and of course, their IAS trophy.

      • GalacticGreg

        Certainly so, thdnExist. At the same time, I can’t help but recall all the young Sea Orgres, at the bus stops, waiting to be ferried to their birthing (or wherever) on lovely, expensive vehicles provided by the Flag Bus Service Org (F- BS -O) whomever. With the $cilon security using their ‘boom box tech’ and their ‘umbrella tech’.

        The thing that startled me was the scene of how many there are, young Sea Orgres; how much effort $cilon security puts into keeping vidiographer protesters away from the Sea Orgres waiting to be bussed. This leads me to thinking that the $cientology Inc. Administration — with all it’s massive bloat — is going to keep ‘administrating’, filling all the hats with Sea Orgre recruit-after-recruit; constantly refilling any open positions in OSA, RTC, CST, CSI, Bridge Pub, ABLE, WISE, Narconon, Criminon, Gold Era Productions, Delphi schools et al. etc.

        It’s a long end-game coming, it appears to be so. Even with zero new bodies in the shop, and ongoing declining membership, the boat will keep on going and administrating with their telexes and memeograph machines until the corporations are someday dissolved (hoping that day occurs).

        • Once_Born

          These measures are functional, if you look at them from a practical (if slightly cynical) perspective. ‘Admin Tech’ provides continuous, pointless, busywork so that people don’t have time to stand back and think about their situation. The efforts expended to keep the Sea Org isolated from the outside world provides more busywork, injects a little drama into boring lives, and insures they do no learn the truth.

          The only ‘post’ that is important to the organisation is the one that passes money ‘uplines’ and that post is filled by the organisation itself. The Sea Org members are like the cells of y they do their jobs, but they don’t have any conception of the wider picture.

          The organisation of the CofS has assumed a life of its own and its personality is a reflection of that of its creator. Like Hubbard, it is a nasty, greedy piece of work.

          The good news is that such an entity is already behind the times, and not in the least adaptable. The actions of critics and the passing of time have brought recruitment to a practical standstill. One more serious disruption (e.g. serious, widespread action against Narconon) will surely lead to organisational collapse.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Many reports of staff leaving. Flag and Big Blue are the largest headquarters of all, so those will be the last to be staffed and you have your veteran Sea Org members who have absolutely no money, no future, no insurance, retirement, and will leave only if they have family to take them in. You are also looking at some of the more fanatical in the bunch. The young ones you are seeing are mostly made up of 2nd and 3d generations. They will be the first most likely to leave. Staffing is so bad that public members now are required to “volunteer” as staff. There is the OT Committees, the front groups, helping at events, helping all the other orgs with distributing materials, call in, you name it.

          The Good News is that Miscavige is now working on obliterating these overworked understaffed volunteers by Gagging the front groups next. And the few overworked Sea Org execs who man those front groups might just bail. This means that all of them, Narconon, Applied Scholastics, CCHR, Criminon, all the youth anti drug groups, all of them will have to Retrain everything, turn in their materials for disposal, buy all their materials, all of it, all over again. I tell you this will be an impossible order to obey. They are past broke, in deep debt, mentally and physically broken if not deranged and seeing in blurs, exhausted, stretched too thin for too long.

          Expect more jumping off very soon.

  • valshifter

    In their own words “they are pulling it in” big time.

  • For starters all those statistics are dead ringers for Scientology, as well as, which you already pointed out, the Thursday at 2 tradition. These statistics prove that the organization is being run exactly like any other Scientology organization. Which is already well established, but is a fact that deserves as much repetition as possible until the Narconon logo is followed by “Brought to you by the same folks who enslave children for their narcissistic satisfaction.”

    Now for a fair analysis we should split out the cumulative and the instantaneous measurements. Bodies in Shop, Admin Personnel, Tech Personnel, Cash in House, Bills Owed, Days from Oldest Bill, Org Reserves, Building Fund, Gen’l Liabilities fund are all cumulative stats. Instantaneous stats are: Gross Income, Weekly Operating Cost, Payments to NNI, Credit Collected, Bills Paid, Paid in Refunds,

    Looking at these statistics there’s a significant amount of missing money, which we must assume came from up above Narconon. Though there’s no evidence of it anywhere.

    The gross income $836,000 less Operating Cost ($1,862,000) + Refunds ($49,000) = ($1,075,000) operating loss. Since the “bills owed” are remaining relatively steady at ($661,000), that loss for the period has been covered by some influx of money which is not reflected in these statistics.

    It’s also worth noting:

    *Every week the building fund and the org reserves are supposed to increase by percentages of gross income, and they aren’t.
    *The payments to Narconon International (a division of ABLE which is staffed by Sea Org) are trickled down to nothing which undoubtedly is pissing David Miscavige off, since that money continues to swim upstream like a salmon until it lands in his pocket.
    *Refunds are generally unheard of, and yet there are 4 of them in Q1 of 2014. That’s unreal!

  • PickAnotherID

    What I find interesting is 4 of the 14 weeks have entries in the “Paid in Refunds” row, and the refund amounts only come to about 1/3 of what NN AH charges for a stay.

    • If you look at the other statistic called “credit collected” it seems to be that unlike any other Scientology organization, Narconon allows people to pay only a portion of their stay up front. So those people must have been refunded up to the amount that they had already paid in.

      • Just Dee

        I can only speak for one person I know who, unfortunately, went back to Narconon. 33,000 was required up front along with 2,800 for an “interventionist”

      • aquaclara

        We have also heard stories of how hard it is to get even a sliver of a refund, so perhaps patients are settling for partial refunds here. Might be the best they can do.

  • And I don’t rent cars!

    OFF TOPIC

    Just wanted to suggest that Bunker readers go back to Jon Atack’s last Bunker post – http://tonyortega.org/2014/04/05/jon-atacks-final-weekly-column-for-us-on-scientology-and-its-a-doozy

    He spent Easter Sunday replying to some of our comments and it’s worth a revisit just to read his replies. In his reply to me, he wrote, “I don’t often check the comments – I think this is the fourth time this year..” So this is indeed a rare treat for us.

    He ended his comment with this teaser: “I will write more just as soon as I can, because I am touched by the encouragement I’ve received in these comments.”

    Thought I’d share that last bit of good news. Another teaser for us to look forward to! I am hopeful that his last post here was not, in fact, his last guest column on Tony’s blog.

    • joan nieman

      That is so nice Cars. I will check it out.

    • aquaclara

      thanks. There were some great remarks. I went back and posted a “thank you” in case he gets updates on his comments.

  • What happens to customers/(raw meat) in case NN goes bust? They would not be able to continue their program. And I doubt there would be any refund.
    Raw meat, do the maths! Do you really want to go there?

  • Chocolate Velvet

    That’s my kind of celebrity report, Tony O. Actor guy. Nicely done. 🙂

    • Science Doc

      The celebrity stuff is my least favorite part of following scientology. If I was channel surfing through the CBS Evening News and I saw that actor guy I would keep going. I don’t care about those people at all.

      • Jgg2012

        He says he trains like an Olympic athlete and his job is as dangerous as fighting in Afghanistan. Aren’t you impressed?

        • Observer

          AND he ruthlessly puts ethics in on himself. What a guy!

          • Jgg2012

            What can you say about a guy who jumps onto a couch backwards, jumps off, gets on his knees flipping his arms like a seal, then grabs Oprah and shakes her like a bottle of orange juice?

  • Party Hull!

    Serious question; How do they keep the lights on?

    If they have unpaid bills going back over a year, there must be some seriously disgruntled suppliers amongst them. Any gas, electric or water companies would be well within their rights to cut their losses and stop providing for them.

    I suppose they pick and choose the bills they pay according to their absolute necessity, no doubt plunging many honest suppliers/creditors of less urgent services into catastrophic, financial disarray.

    Unforgivable.

    • Jimmy3

      As John P suggests down thread, they are most likely subsidized by their other culty tentacles. Narconon Arrowhead was supposed to be the showpiece, they can’t let it fail.

      • Party Hull!

        Ah fair enough, I will navigate down to his post.

        Many thanks.

    • Unpaid bills doesn’t necessitate that the utilities are unpaid. There is definitely a form of triage for a business when things get that bad. They are probably holding onto older bills that don’t result in suspension of services, and continuing to pay the more pressing bills. Most businesses can and do operate while incurring substantial losses for sometimes significant periods of time. It takes a long time for a business to fizzle out of existence.

      • Jimmy3

        True. But most businesses don’t train you to shout at ashtrays.

        • Considering the Mormons, the Moonies, Avon, Ambit Energy, Amway, etc. still have relatively successful operations, I don’t think the product being delivered has much to do with the length of time a business can remain in existence.

          • Jimmy3

            Well, what I said really had nothing to do with what you said, I just think yelling at ashtrays is hilarious. But in most businesses, the product delivered or the quality of service provided does have a lot to do with the length of time it can exist. But in the case of Narconon’s case, you are correct.

            • Mooser

              “Well, what I said really had nothing to do with what you said, I just think yelling at ashtrays is hilarious.”

              Wait a minute, are you telling me that non-smoking Scientologists, or Scientologists Orgs in places which require no-smoking buildings keep ashtrays around just to yell at? Is there a particular model or style of ashtray appropriate to the purpose of taking verbal abuse? Because I have no intention of wasting my time yelling at an ashtray which won’t listen.

            • Mooser

              Too bad ashtrays can’t talk, as well as listen. On the other hand, it’s like having a discreet friend you can put cigarettes out on. Those don’t come along every day.

            • Oh this is fun. Yes there is a size and color that are recommended by hubbard. Gold and heavy!

            • Jimmy3

              That’s exactly what I was telling you. And I agree, inattentive ashtrays are a huge waste of time. PAY ATTENTION, BUTT COLLECTOR!

            • RMycroft
          • Avon promises its customers makeup and then sells them said makeup, which is no worse than other makeup in existence nor is it particularly expensive. Even Amway isn’t really comparable to something that promises heaven after death, insists on extremely gender roles, and tells you what you must do with your life.

            Scientology combines the religious model with the business scam model, which is what makes it so much more obviously horrible than so many other groups that one could argue are cults. It’s also what made it so much money.

            • Amway or Ambit or Avon or Herbalife or World Financial Group. They all operate like cults. They are tiny microcosims of Scientology that on the surface contain a product but at their core are just ruthless, money-hungry empires that are fueled by the financial appetite of those in control.

    • Anonymous

      One of the “tells” that will help expose the falsehood that Scientology is NOT an interconnected set of corporations with a single head is the slow but certain failure of individual entities like the one in today’s post by Tony.

      When a supposedly independent corporate unit is faced with financial failure and is rescued by a higher corporate unit, and this rescue occurs over and over again with different “independent” corporations, it will eventually become obvious that a single entity has dominion over all the others.

      The alternative, letting the “independent” corporations fail and disappear altogether is an unlikely outcome.

      My bet is that whatever actions seem like they will prolong the charade for the greatest amount of time will be the ones that are employed, at least until mass raids and arrests shut the whole thing down.

    • Jgg2012

      Maybe they postulate light.

  • Truthiwant

    William Shakespeare is 450 today. What would the Bard of Avon have thought about the Quack of Tilden? …

    • Jimmy3

      This is great, and so is “Quack of Tilden”. Someone should start a list and put that on it.

    • Once_Born

      ‘Tis the times’ plague, when madmen lead the blind.
      King Lear Act 1 Scene 4

    • Qbird

      ha! i very much enjoy your comics Truth.

  • And I don’t rent cars!

    Tony, I know you said, “We continue not to care about whether that actor guy is maybe dating
    that television gal, rumors of which the television gal now denies. So
    now we can go on not caring about that thing we didn’t care about.”

    I laughed out loud but now it looks this created the Streisand Effect and a brain worm of you-know-who that I can’t rid of. Ugh! But, who cares right? I don’t care. I don’t even care that I don’t care…

    With apologies…
    (refresh)

  • TDA1541A
  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    Hey, now might be an excellent time for the IRS top execs to do something right and righteous, say if certain tax docs that recently have popped up on the fringes were plopped under their noses. Yet another scandal is rearing it’s ugly head at the IRS headquaters. How many more can they afford before another major congressional investigation? Time for some redemptive corrections say in certain 501C3’s?

    “IRS Employees Act Up, Don’t Pay Taxes But Still Get Bonuses—IRS Gone Wild?” (Bonuses are in Millions$ !)

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/robertwood/2014/04/23/irs-employees-act-up-dont-pay-taxes-but-still-get-bonuses-irs-gone-wild/

  • Narapoid

    All cults seek those in a time of upheaval and pain. ref

    • Elar Aitch

      Paris – where mayo look like Hollywood actresses.

      • Narapoid

        Where the Mayor looks like Hollywood actresses? Sorry, she is too real. But gorgeous, yes1

  • Panopea Abrupta

    Red-X Red-X Red-X

    The Pompous Pompadoured Pimp, Lil FiveOne, has no bodies in his shops.

    Let’s sink Davey’s Navy – Red-X ’em to hell and gone.

    https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-75#post-2448172

    ty ap

    • K2P2

      chip chip away

    • aegerprimo

      Done!

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    For those who have wondered how Any patients still get sucked into the Narconon sweatshops, Mary McConnell and others since, have exposed the sneaky spideyweb of referral sites and the $$$ incentive for scientologists who profited. Reaching for the Tipping Point also has details about the lucrative benefits of baiting the desperate:

    “LEAKED: Scripts Spell Out How Scientology Directs the Unsuspecting to Its Rehab Network”

    http://tonyortega.org/2013/03/11/leaked-scripts-spell-out-how-scientology-directs-the-unsuspecting-to-its-rehab-network/

    • aegerprimo

      Excellent article!

      This is one of my favorite articles which explains how Narconon uses referrals to scam people into its doors. It is a 10-part series, and totally worth the time reading. You will learn a lot about search engine optimization (SEO) in general as well.

      This is the beginning of a 10-part series on Narconon’s Internet Marketing. Join “SEOlogy” as we explore the history of Narconon’s internet marketing and use of referral sites, how they’ve been affected by factors beyond Narconon’s control, and how those methods compare to those used by traditional rehab centers. Find out how sales and marketing for the Narconon program may change in the future.

      The Rise and Fall of the Narconon Internet Marketing Empire
      http://narcononreviews.net/narconon/the-rise-and-fall-of-the-narconon-internet-marketing-empire-part-1/

  • Jgg2012

    “We continue not to care about whether that actor guy is maybe dating that television gal” I advise that television gal to read Dianetics and see what LRH said about gays, since she’s playing one. Does that actor have a copy?

  • Jgg2012

    I see that the Narconon stats list “paid refunds”. I’m curious–what are the requested refunds? What evidence is there of the 76% success rate? What medical personnel are being paid to provide in patient care?

  • Jonathan Cummings

    Is the actor guy dating the actor girl? I have searched long and hard and I cannot find anymore fucks to give!

    • Jgg2012

      Here in LA, everyone I know wants to know if some actor they’ve never met is dating some actress they’ve barely heard of. Everyone.

      • Jimmy3

        I thought they broke up?

        • Jgg2012

          Actually, they have never met.

      • GalacticGreg

        El Lay is amazing that way.

        • Jgg2012

          In case anyone is curious, that comment was completely facetious (they didn’t even care about Bill Clinton’s personal life involving an intern under his supervision).

  • Gina Smith

    I do so enjoy watching the whole damned criminal enterprise crumble.

  • Mike Leopold

    I am cynical enough to consider that Miscavige may have raided the assets of NN in anticipation of its demise.
    Would not a bankruptcy force successful plaintiffs to “get in line?”
    Corporate fraud like this, and Scn. go hand in hand.

    • Anonymous

      What you are describing above would be called fraudulent conveyance.

      My guess is that the wee One would be a little bit more artful than just moving the assets and leaving the creditors to face an empty shell as that could be discovered fairly easily in a civil action such as a bankruptcy.

      • RMycroft

        I don’t think that they’re going to just roll-over on Arrowhead. They spent a lot of time, influence and money getting a fix in Oklahoma against the courts and state agencies that’s lasted 22 years. They spent so much that the state agencies finally gave up, cried uncle, and seem pretty reluctant to touch it again.

        • Anonymous

          Agreed.

          • RMycroft

            Speaking of reluctant, I just noticed that the Oklahoma State Bureau Buggerall of Investigation bailed on Arrowhead last year.
            *Okla. certification expires for medical detox site August 9, 2013, AP, News OK, page 2.

            Murphy’s death last year led to preliminary investigations by law enforcement authorities, including the Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation. OSBI spokeswoman Jessica Brown said Friday her agency is no longer actively investigating the facility.

            No wonder the investigation is down to some sheriff who thinks Narconon is just great.

            • Anonymous

              The malevolent machinery for the church uses for deflecting criticism and ducking prosecution still operates. To the degree that it is being used on folks that are not familiar with the history of the church, it can still be effective.

              But there are many kinds of justice and many agencies which administer remedies.

      • Mike Leopold

        The labyrinthine construction of Scientology corporate entities combined with fraudulent accounting cries out for comprehensive Forensic Accounting and analysis.
        Miscavige is not a stupid criminal, unfortunately.

        • ze moo

          Miscavage hires good accountants and lawyers, he is not that smart, devious, but not smart.

  • This makes me angry! REAL angry!

    All of you wogs that have worked tirelessly to destroy our Narconon facilities, all of you Tone 1.1 assholes that filed criminal charges against us, filed civil lawsuits against us, got the word out about what Scientology’s Narconon actually is and what is does, YOU SUCK! and I hope you’re happy with the damage you have done to Scientology and our awesome, totally beneficial, totally legitimate drug treatment solutions!

    Oh! You all make me so angry! REAL angry!

    • DamOTclese2

      It’s a shame that the REAL (see what I did there?) Tommy Davis is too afraid to join us in the ‘Bunker. Man that would be awesome if we could convince the real Tommy Davis to attempt to counter the real world he would be exposed to here. Ah well.

      • Jimmy3

        A) who says I’m not in the Bunker.
        B) you’re a delusional, bigoted, hate mongering asshat

        Don’t ever mention me again.

    • Jgg2012

      How does Mosey make you feel?

  • J. Swift
    • J. Swift

      How can there be problems at Narconon when David Miscavige leads Scientology to a Milestone Year?

      • Once_Born

        Because the milestone reads:
        Hell –> 2 Miles

      • Anonymous

        One of the remarkable things about that failed advertorial is that somebody ACTUALLY CHOSE to submit THAT photo of the wee One.

        If he chose it himself…well there simply is no explanation besides mental illness.

        But if someone else chose it, the covert motivation HAD to be revenge.

        • pronoia

          He must’ve thought he could smash his name into the history books.

      • Jgg2012

        Because Jeff, Narconon is not part of Scientology. Don’t you know that?

        • J. Swift

          Oh yeah. That’s right: Narconon is a “social betterment” activity that licenses Scientology Tech and thereby achieves a 96% success rate.

          • 1subgenius

            They should actually claim a 135% success rate.
            I’ll let you run with that.

            • aegerprimo

              That would be right for Scientology math.

    • RMycroft

      They shooped it. Here’s the real image:

      Dread Cthulhu Leads His Cult to Milestone Year January 14, 2013, Rob Beschizza, Boing Boing

    • ze moo

      The ‘sponsor content’ gives away the nature of this advert. News and blog publishers are still talking about this ‘Atlantic’ debacle.

      http://www.adweek.com/news/advertising-branding/after-scientology-debacle-atlantic-tightens-native-ad-guidelines-146890

  • California

    What is especially sad about this is that reliable data has been collected and analyzed for years about the many different efficaious

  • DamOTclese2

    Don’t gloat too soon. These filthy criminals can still do more irreparable harm to people’s lives and they still can kill a few more before they’re all shut down. These people are far from de-fanged.

  • DamOTclese2

    Paid In Refunds — Really? Someone successfully sued them for a refund and won.

    • Just Dee

      If those refunds are for even one person, the amount they received back wasn’t even half.

  • Science Doc

    They must already be in Treason over the numbers, let alone the leak. I’m sure they are busy, busy culties.

  • Panopea Abrupta

    Red-X Red-X Red-X

    Bantamweight bully-boy beatings?
    Stop him and his massive scam – Red-X
    and just say no

    https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-75#post-2448172
    ty ap

  • Jgg2012

    The Narconon situation raises an interesting question. Who is paying the legal fees in all the cases they are now defending? Their fees are enormous (witness the huge number of motions, complaining about things like the complaint being too long, and frivolous objections). Is Scientology (which, supposedly, is not affiliated with Narconon) paying them? If not, who is?

    • flyonthewall

      Their insurance co pays for legal fees but that’s another can of worms in itself. NN in Georgia was dropped and/or sued by their insurance co for lying to them and in court. Hopefully other insurance co’s will follow their example

      • Jgg2012

        Good point! An angry insurance company may be the one that sues and destroys Narconon (and its parent company, whomever that is).

        • flyonthewall

          We can only hope but unless I’m mistaken each NN facility has its own insurer so I don’t think any one case would bring down the whole show

          • aquaclara

            This raises interesting points. I wonder where the insurance payments are on the list of expenses. Given the death of 3 patients, plus the assorted lawsuits and bad press AND what happened in Georgia, NN must be off the charts on the risk curve.

            I would love to know who is paying the insurance and how much it is.
            It also surprises me that the insurance company would cover all expenses associated with litigation, again knowing the cult’s practice of not minding expenses and dragging opponents through the muck. This is a high risk client and premiums should be extraordinarily high given all that has happened there.

            Premiums must be paid, so we know it is not in the line item of unpaid bills.

            Surely a prospective patient would be able to find out if a facility is insured, through whom, and for an appropriate level of coverage. I mean, we can get this for docs if we ask, and for contractors (it’s usually required on township permits for work one has done), as well as for tenants leasing space.

      • Science Doc

        Usually an insurance company makes a reservation or rights when a client is sued for fraud. When evidence of fraud appears they file suit against their client asking the state court to relieve them from defending their client.

        • aegerprimo

          Really? Wow!

        • Once_Born

          My understanding of (UK) law is that insurance depends upon a “contract of absolute good faith” – i.e. if you don’t tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth in your proposal form, your insurance is null and void, and you’re on your own.

          Insurance companies are renowned for using such loopholes to avoid paying a claim. Surely any one of the many serious lies told by Narconon would release them from their obligations?

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist
    • Jimmy3

      O’Dwyer’s should hire an editor or two. That is quite sloppy.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist
        • Jimmy3

          Sorry, I wasn’t trying to knock you for linking that. I do appreciate it. I just could not understand how or why that guy gets paid to write and I thought I’d comment about it. This WaPo article is much better. Thank you.

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            You should see the one I passed on!

          • Robert Eckert

            It mentions that he had a male “partner of 20 years” (although you would not know the partner was male unless you know Spanish names) as a throwaway line at the end. Did he only come out after he retired?

            • Jimmy3

              I have no idea. When a man’s obituary says that they are survived by a “partner”, I tend to read that as an indication that they were gay.

            • Robert Eckert

              Partner “of 20 years”: 1992 (when he was 70) is the year he retired as chairman of the lobbyist firm.

            • Jimmy3

              Considering his political leanings, it makes sense that he would be closeted until retirement. Are you suggesting they were partners for much longer than “20 years”? That makes sense, too.

            • Robert Eckert

              It’s speculation, but I think a plausible reading of what little clue we are given.

            • Jimmy3

              I think it’s very plausible. And from a quick search I’ve found that his partner was born in Cuba and he and his family are pro-immigration reform. What a Republican.

    • Captain Howdy

      Good riddance.. this reminds me of when Earle Cooley croaked and I
      found out that Cruise & Miscavige were both going to be in town for
      the wake and I fantasized that I was insane(r) and I had access to…

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        I saw Elizabeth Warren on Daily Show last night. I almost fell out of bed when I heard her talking about the 1% and the rest of us and she said, in different but just as plain words, “we are all fucked!”
        We can speak up and we can vote was her follow up. I’m like, bleh.
        Gray followed the scientology tradition of suing a critic, like Susan Trento, author of
        “The Power House: Robert Keith Gray and the Selling of Access and Influence in Washington.”
        He lost:)

    • In a stroke of cosmic irony, the lack of corporate firewalling that allowed JWT’s affiliation with Eli Lilly to become a conflict issue in Hill and Knowlton’s affiliation with CSI will be the same thing that ties all of Scientology to RTC and brings the entire cult down.

  • WogWarrior

    I could care less about the dating rumors. But what was interesting was the on going denial that Scientology LOVES gays. Paul Haggis and numerous others would disagree quite readily. I was curious if any of your former members might know, is LP getting a pass on her gay advocacy because she is a celebrity and are average public allowed to feel the same way about gays? (or at least allowed to ignore what LRH said about being gay, 1.1 on the tone scale, etc)?

    • aegerprimo

      Wasn’t she dropping out of the show “Orange is the New Black” because of Scientology’s intolerance to gays and possible pressure she was getting from the Co$. I mean, otherwise WHY would she drop out of such a hit show?

      • ze moo

        Prepon has another show/role/project she wants time to do. Or all the rumors are just crap to hype ‘Orange’ some more. Time will tell, and I still don’t care.

        • aegerprimo

          I like the story, and the show. I read the Piper Kerman book a few months ago – got it at a yard sale for $1.
          Yes, time will tell. Okay, I will go focus on more important things at this time like… NarCONon and its eminent demise.

  • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

    Alexa update for Apr. 23: *refresh for images*

    Tony: US rank #24,600 – down 208 from yesterday. (Average rank last 3 months: 17,959)
    Scientology: US rank #56,548 – up 2,171 from yesterday. (Average rank last 3 months: 47,368)

    Difference: 31,948 – 2,379 less than yesterday. (Average difference last 3 months: 29,408)

    Clicks from India – 12,9% today.

    • Disaffected

      Thanks Johnny!
      Click farms or not, I hate so see that red line creeping up and the Tony line descending down.
      Could it be that the general public is loosing interest in Scientology as a subject all together? Is Scientology as a subject heading for oblivion?

      • Sibs

        It’s okay, the Scientology one has been going up and down for a while, and it could be different factors than just how many people are visiting (since those numbers overall ranking, not the actual number of clicks). Tony’s still doing pretty well anyway.

  • California

    SCN’er selling DVD’s about SCN and Narconon on eBay for a $1.00 and no takers!

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/181387155267?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

    • 3feetback-of-COS

      I donated all of my crap to the “Church of the Empty Dumpster”

    • Once_Born

      If you click on the “See other items” link, it turns out that this individual(?) has dozens of bundles like this, and multiple lots of several other DVDs for sale. Is this an individual or a desperate Org?

      • California

        Maybe one or two researchers might be interested in getting one but certainly no one else. Anybody every seen a dump of SCN materials like this before? Perhaps someone can try to contact the person……

      • Vaquera

        The items are located in Portland, OR. Not so Ideal, eh?

  • Sarah James

    Inspector General Kim POff and another investigator, Michael Delong were fired in Aug. 2013. Their attorney, Rachel Bussett stated, ” No particular reason was given for their termination.” Robert Murphy, says these two investigators were the only ones looking into the deaths, now no one is.

    • Michael Leonard Tilse

      This is probably the embedded scientology influence in action. My guess.

      But every time they use an asset like this to take out some inconvenient investigators, they burn the asset. It will get traced back to them and the asset becomes useless.

      If it is confirmed that it was scientology’s influence that lead to the termination, then RICO and conspiracy charges start rolling at some point.

      They are damned. If they do. If they don’t. A bit more damned if they do.

      • Sarah James

        Rachel Bussett said the firing ” relates to the Narconon investigation.”
        Oklahoma Sen. James M. Inhofe has been a supporter of Narconon in Oklahoma. Never heard of him before. Have a feeling we will see his name again.
        I have to agree, Narconon is damned. lol

  • media_lush

    new post up http://scientologybollocks.blogspot.co.uk …. plus added off topic news snippet below that has been making me laugh all day ….

    • EnthralledObserver

      Lucky Race Around Corners Quickly mechanic…
      LOL!

  • Disaffected

    Reading through the numbers at first glance, the statistics just don’t add up. Their weekly operational losses are very high (somewhere in the 70,000 range). Still the numbers show no significant increase in “bills owed” nor a significant drop in “cash in house”. There seems to be a unseen magic wand the FP-committee is using to pay bills that are not covered by their gross income and still not incur that relative amount in debts…..

    • Missionary Kid

      Read John P.’s comment analyzing this statement much earlier.

      • Disaffected

        oh thanks, I was trying to find some comment like that. But if John P did one, I’m sure my confusions will be clarified. Any easy way to find his comment?

        • Jimmy3
          • Disaffected

            Thanks jimmy3.

            • Missionary Kid

              Jimmy3 is far quicker and smarter than I.

            • Jimmy3

              I don’t believe I’m smarter than you, MK. I’m definitely quicker though, gramps. 🙂

            • Missionary Kid

              I’ll take what I can get. Thanks. 🙂

            • Disaffected

              I had found it too, the hard way though…. just scrolling :/ . A typical John P analysis. Well written and many factors taken into account. BUT he too cannot account for the extra cash that MUST be coming from somewhere. If that entity is Co$ or something, they can’t claim they have nothing to do with narCONon of course.

          • Missionary Kid

            Thanks for providing it, Jimmy.

  • IASREG

    Scientology has nothing to do with Narconon, they just advertise for them on Craigslist.

    • Pierrot

      Where please, I need to know so that we can report and flag them

      • IASREG

        Ocala, Florida. I’ve seen this one a few times over the past few months. I’ll sign up on WWP sometime and alert when I see them, I mostly lurk here in the bunker.

        • Pierrot

          Thanks, I will follow up.

          • IASREG

            The number in the ad (352-390-8535) is for the Ocala Mission, 50 SE 1st Ave, Ocala Fl. for anyone who wishes to inquire.

        • GalacticGreg

          You used to post comments I-reg ; miss you.

          • IASREG

            Thanks, I still post on occasion if I see something that may be of interest for the folks here. Mostly I lurk the scientology blogs and look for scilons posting on them and conspiracy theory nutcase sites. Very interesting to see that a lot of long time sciloons are also conspiracy theory nuts. OK, that isn’t surprising at all.

      • Bury_The_Nuts
        • Free Minds, Free Hearts

          done

          • Pierrot

            Thank you, we have been pulling these ads regularly. I generally do not look at them. I see one ad for drug & alcohol, they are careful not to mention narconon.

            Any searching tips are welcome.
            scilons are hiding their ads from us and we need to keep our eyes open.

    • Panopea Abrupta

      The lawyers who are suing Narconon should know about these.
      The “Church” always says in public that they have nowt to do with Narconon.
      In private, it is a very different kettle of rotting fish.

  • And I don’t rent cars!

    OFF TOPIC

    Philadelphia, the City of Brotherly Love, and David Miscavige

    For a man born in the city of brotherly love, Philadelphis, Miscavige sure doesn’t show any. After having his parishioners donate 7.85 million dollars to purchase the Cunningham Piano Building, in 2007, to build an Ideal Org (the “Philadelphia Freedom Org”), it still sits abandoned. The city decided to sue the chnrch last Dec, 2013. http://articles.philly.com/2013-11-27/news/44523443_1_david-miscavige-scientology-karin-pouw#ObDzOH0PgfZLEIjO.99

    Compare this to the ribbon cutting Bon Jovi did yesterday on a 16.6 million dollar housing complex in Philly to house low income and homeless people. His foundation was the biggest donor to the project. It took a mere 18 months of construction before the grand opening. He also has built similar projects in four other states, with the first one being in his hometown of Newark, NJ. http://news.yahoo.com/bon-jovi-helps-open-low-110333667.html?vp=1

    What has David Miscavige done to improve the lives of people in his home town, home state, or even the planet?

    • Baby

      A FREAKIN MEN Cars! I am sick of that creep

      Edit .. Short Creep 5’1″ MAX

    • aegerprimo

      Excellent compare/contrast Cars!
      Members of the Co$ think passing out Way to Happiness books help people. LOL.
      Bon Jovi rocks in so many ways.

  • Observer

    Ooo! Black Rob posted a pic of Fearless Leader in the wild!

    • media_lush

      his boozey eye-lid droop is getting lower by the week… more probably due to a lack of sleep and worry I reckon, though

      • Observer

        Yeah, he’s looking mighty rough. On the other hand, he’s a walking billboard for the truth of what Scientology does to you.

      • Jimmy3

        He’s a nervous wreck and never gets any sleep because THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE.

        • Jo

          Highlander?

        • media_lush

          BE ONLY…… I have a feeling that once this guy blows he’ll have some stories to tell…. have visions of him holding court in some Glaswegian pub (or is he Edinburgh?) with journalists feeding him double malts… “so, you went to Flag and met XXX and you say XXX happened!!!?”

          • Jimmy3

            I hope so, man.. He is probably my favorite recurring Sunday Funny Character. I wish he would come to the Bunker so we can laugh with him rather than laughing at him.

            BTW, there should be a ranking of best Sunday Funny Characters.

            • Robert Eckert

              Deedee from Phoenix still has a special place in my heart.

            • Jimmy3

              Classic. I’m going to compile a top ten for this Sunday. What are some other memorable characters?

            • Observer

              I’m gonna have to vote for Cyndie Fish-Fry, just because of her name.

            • Jimmy3

              One could spawn some good puns with a name like that.

            • Panopea Abrupta

              The pun is always mightier than the swordfish

            • Jo

              The young guy who sang “She Thinks My E-Meter is Sexy.” Can’t find vid, has been removed.

            • Jimmy3

              I can’t find it either. Even the rutube mirror of it is gone. That, or I’m a fat, lazy pig. I dunno, I can’t read Russian. If someone has a copy of it please share.

            • Noooooooooooooooooooooooooo! Lost to history 🙁

            • And I don’t rent cars!

              Erin Banks – Miss OSA 2014 or as Agent 99 in the original Get Smart television series

              (refresh)

            • Jimmy3

              To be honest, she did come to mind, but only because she is cute and I wasn’t going to include her just for that. But “Miss OSA” / Agent 99 is too great to pass up. Thanks

            • Robert Eckert

              I can’t remember his name, but the Russian guy with the pit stains on his shirt.

          • Panopea Abrupta

            Edinburgh

    • Missionary Kid

      A friend of mine used to live in Hollywood, and he passed by Big Blue and was hit up over and over for a personality test. He finally answered that he didn’t have a personality, so he didn’t need one.

      The good news is that he was recently back there several times, and didn’t see anyone pushing the test.

    • D.Y.G.

      I’m sad to say I’ve grown very fond of him.

      • Observer

        There’s something rather tragic about him.

        • aegerprimo

          Rather tragic that the ED (Executive Director) would be out “body routing” (bringing people off the street into the org for a personality test, etc.).

      • Baby

        I have always said that I would love to have a Pint with him..

        • Panopea Abrupta

          70/= shilling, darlin’, Belhaven
          and a wee shot of the Macallan, 17 year version.
          Nae water or ice, darlin.
          Aye, cheers, hen – that’s better than OT XII, ah swear tae Xenu.

          • Baby

            hahahhahaha…” Ah Swear Tae Xenu.”

            That guy has got to be broker than Broke.. Poor Bloke!

        • Sherbet

          I think you’ll have to pay for both.

          • media_lush

            definitely …. irregardless he’s a scion, he’s a Scotsman first

            • Jo

              This was posted on John Wood FB recently. Sorry, no screen shot, my Ipad is dead.

              Bob Steele shared a status.

              19 April

              Thanks to a somewhat offensive tweet by Monty Python’s Eric Idle, my enthusiasm for Monty Python has noticeably dimished. Change of plans. I will not be attending any of their re-union shows in London this July.

              On Jan 21, @ericidle tweeted: The so-called Monty Python dating site is run by a Scientologist. Naturally the Pythons do not support this. You should beware.

            • media_lush

              thanks for the heads up [have posted the actual comment below]…. Idle or a Python rep (through facebook) told him to remove his site! [lulz]

            • media_lush

              … tracking back to the original Bob Steele comment it was interesting to see how a friend of a clam defends the clamology…. highlighted the last bit because if it’s true it’s pretty newsworthy but I reckon he’s just confused with Nancy Cartwright (imagine if she’s been a secret clam all these years, ed)

            • Jimmy3

              Are you sure that’s a rep for Idle or Monty Python? I could be very wrong here, but from what I’ve gathered, she is referencing this: http://thejohncleese.com/forum/discussion/694/monty-python-dating-site

              They were disappointed with Eric Idle, not John Wood. But they are not well read on Scientology.

            • media_lush

              that sounds more like it…. once you’ve gone from link to link on facebook you just assume they’re all talking about facebook

            • Jimmy3

              I think you may be right that he was asked to take the site down, though. IIRC, some bloke tweeted Mr. Idle to inform him that his #1 fan is a hardcore Scientologist, and soon afterward the site was taken down. It was pretty cool that the guy managed to alert Eric Idle about the situation.

            • media_lush

              that was me…. the whole thing started with google news bots grabbing the story that the UK comedian Russell Howard was doing a gig at St Hill and this guy was going to charge the clams £1k for a meet and greet…… I’m surprised you didn’t read the story on my blog…. even Tony mentioned it…. http://scientologybollocks.blogspot.co.uk/2013/12/uk-comedian-russell-howard-has-his-own.html

            • Jimmy3

              I was just messing with you, man. I remember that well. 🙂 I thought it was obvious because I said “some bloke”, and I’m probably the first American ever to use that word in a sentence.

            • media_lush

              In my defence I was commentating after having mixed antibiotics that my doctor said i should really, really not mix with booze….which I regarded as some kind of challenge.

              Whilst I like ‘bloke’ I’m more of a fan of ‘chap’ …. It (subliminally) automatically puts one in a superior class bracket – sort of a Wing Commander smoking a pipe during the war type

              “Be a good chap and pass the salt” and all that

            • Jo

              John Wood, UK Narconon. He posts so much shit on FB.

          • Baby

            Hahahaha … Yep.. That’s a Guarantee Sherbie!

        • Troy MacGyver SP

          His broken blood vessels give me the impression he’s liked the hard stuff for years.

    • Assholes are allowed to block the sidewalks, I see.

      • Troy MacGyver SP

        This is the Scottish bloke,eh? Poor guy always looks so pathetic. Kinda feel sorry for the guy.

  • media_lush

    I’ve noticed more and more excuses for the Cruise/Smith big franchise follow-ups not NOT happening lately…. here’s another one. This is the same Bruckheimer who was spouting on about how Top Gun 2 is a definite go (he’s 70 years old now, ed)… and that it’s actually going to get filmed BEFORE MI5…. the same guy who has Cruise show up to his Hollywood walk of fame slab event a few weeks ago.

    Anyway, I’ve yet to actually see any proof that MI5 is actually starting to film or do any actual above the board production at all…. whilst PR noobs say all of the co-stars have signed on the imdb still says they’re rumoured (I know it’s not a good source…. but still)

    … as I said before they’re waiting for Cruise’s Edge of Tomorrow figures… if they’re not good I reckon that’s his A+ Hollywood career done for

    • PoisonIvyHerself

      Edge of Tomorrow won’t open strong here in the US but will make its money in Asia. Cruise will be A+ internationally for a while. He’s not A+ here anymore but he’s a solid A because of his astronomical FBO tallies and he will be until those tallies start to drop. On his level, it ain’t about the fans, it’s about the Benjamins. I predict they will start to pair him up with other stars who can fill seats as his domestic continues to wane, such as Emily Blunt, a solid B+ star with bigger international appeal. She was not an accidental choice. Expect in the future for high concept studio pix to be cast with an international fan base in mind.

      What I’ve heard from a D-girl friend at Skydance is that MI5 principal photography is delayed but still a very big GO. There is still some casting for principal roles going on and production breakdowns are being shifted to accommodate everybody’s schedule. I could not get a confirmation on a rumor that Jessica Chastain has been offered a role, but if that IS the case, it might explain the final production boards being put on hold. The production office in London is still open for business. And Production Weekly still lists it as in production. http://www.productionweekly.com/search/mission%20impossible%205

      You are right, IMDB is notoriously slow and out of the loop. Mr Ivy has been wrangling with them over his recent primetime series credits for six months now – and the other exec producers of the series only got credited for one show each! (they exec produced all 13 episodes!). Personally I think casting isn’t locked because schedules keep shifting, and big stars like Pegg, etc. will have contracts that allow them an “out” if the schedule gets stretched out of control. It’s like keeping puppies in a box to schedule the stars for one of these things if the production breakdown isn’t locked in stone well in advance. If they’re waiting ’cause they think they can get Chastain, that will throw a wrench into everyone else’s available dates (and deal.)

      • media_lush

        thanks for the response…. it’ll be interesting to see how this plays out… anyway, you beat the google news bots…. just got this

        pic

  • Panopea Abrupta

    Red-X Red-X Red-X

    Narconon is dying. Just as well – they have killed enough.
    $cientology is dying. Ditto
    Help put the dying monster out of it’s misery – Red-X

    https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-75#post-2448172

  • Sherbet

    This is way OT: I’m reading Poison Candy, the story of the Dalia Dippolito murder for hire trial, written by Elizabeth Parker (the prosecutor) and our friend Mark Ebner. In one deposition, Parker balks at some inappropriate, personality test type questions that were asked by the defense attorney. (“Do you think you’re good at influencing people?…Are you modest?…Do people tell you you’re a good person?…”)

    And then this paragraph: “This would not have been out of place in a film like The Master or in a sidewalk personality inventory administered by the volunteers at the Scientology Center.”

    Methinks that part came from Ebner, not Parker. Oh, that Mark Ebner. He makes me smile.

    • Sarah James

      I like him too. 🙂

    • aquaclara

      Will look this up….thanks!

  • Are these numbers the result of law enforcement putting a stop to Scientology’s credit card frauds and their illegal billing of insurance at these Narconon frauds? I wonder if that’s why the numbers are also low, they are facing law enforcement investigations and had to suspend some of their more visible financial frauds.

  • Sandy

    Does anyone know why mlb.com uses a ‘C’ in their scoreboard?

    • Jimmy3

      Because Chief Wahoo is a racialist symbol! (What ‘C’ do you mean?)

      • Sandy

        They publish R,H, E,C. makes no sense to me.

        • Sandy

          Am so embarrassed. Please ignore me.

    • Baby

      I went over and didn’t see it Sandy… Was it an upside down C ? That indicates earphones.. other than that I’m playing a dumb, old blonde.

  • outraged

    Not sure where to ask this question so I come to The Bunker. Just read the latest post on Marty’s blog. I apologize if this has already been discussed.

    “Scientology is a religion. I have seen ample evidence both from within its organizations and from without them that scientology is workable to the degree one believes in it. It works when one believes that it will. It does not work when one does not believe that it will. It is just like any other religion in that regard.”

    http://markrathbun.wordpress.com/2014/04/23/scientology-2/

    I don’t understand at all where this statement is coming from. If you read the whole post it sounds as if he is criticizing the independent Scientology community. And by default, he is also defending the tax breaks that $cientology is getting. It doesn’t seem so simple to me to define an organization as a religion just because it works if you believe in it. Meditation is not a religion, and it works if you believe it will and does not work if you don’t believe in it. What is the evidence from without that $cientology is a religion?

    I do understand that the spiritual beliefs of those who bolted are complicated. Everyone is different and had differing experiences while they were members of this cult. But this is the first time I have heard someone as ‘highly’ placed as Marty Rathburn call $cientology a religion. Does this have to do with the court case?

    • Baby

      OMG Yes I read that and was going to scoot over to scream Shakily

      ” HOLD ME! ”

      Outraged..the Comments were equally as horrifying.. I ain’t got a clue what that is about..?

      • outraged

        those comments, omg. could not read them all.

    • Jo

      One of the comments from Snow white or flake, not sure, mentions how cool Davy Minifists is, lol.

      • Baby

        Later.. One of the other posters said that it was OSA.. Crazy SnowWhite ..damn

        • Jo

          I was going post the comment here, but I just couldn’t do it. I thought they were a bit crazy.

          • Baby

            Snowwhite

            April 23, 2014 at 12:17 pm

            Okay. Talking about Scientology again,
            eh? Like any other post of yours here, in all these years, and I`ve read
            every single word of it, including the comments, the exact opposite is
            true: Scientology is NOT something to believe in. It`s something you DO.
            It works, even if you don`t believe in it. You are the only one which
            can possibly decide, if it works for you, or not. In some cases
            Scientology might not work. Possible. So long, leave the Org then,
            quick. – But believing is not necesserary. I gave some Assists to dying
            people, Non – Scientologists, and they lived again. I even gave an
            Assist to my Dog, and he felt great, and the animal is not religious.

            I mentioned it, I`ve read everything on this Blog, and I`m still not
            convinced. Comparing reality which all the brutal criticism here, I
            simply don`t see any truth here. Especially the unfair and almost
            aggressive criticism of COB, resulted in a lot of rubbish: Super Power
            is here, ready to start! The New Mecca of Scientology is open! GAT II
            is there! We have a fantastic new E – Meter, no matter how long it was
            stored in a warehouse! All the Materials, every Building, every Org,
            are so beautiful designed, and presented, it`s awesome. No wonder it
            was so difficult to get a Pass from David Miscavige, he expected
            Perfection and Estetics, and obviously didn´t expected less than that. –
            There`s no reason to cry because of this!

            That`s no “Micro managment” or chicanery, like I`ve read here, all
            that whining, that`s simply good managment. COB is a competent,
            sympathic, cool and great guy, and in 30 Years I never saw someone,
            which would have be able to lead the Church of Scientology, through
            difficult times.

            • Jimmy3

              Wasn’t there a troll here who always used grave accents instead of apostrophes? Old habits die hard.

            • Baby

              OH yeah.. I hadn’t noticed that Jimmy .. You are right!

            • Jo

              I’m happy the dog felt great. I’m guessing it got a belly rub.

            • Baby

              GAS!

      • Captain Howdy

        “One of the comments from Snow white or flake”

        Ha, Ha ..where have all the hippies gone?

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wR6w6_x9CXA

        • Qbird

          I was a little nervous clicking on this one Capt. Kind of a morning song rather than a goodnight song… just sayin’… good one to red X by. 😉

          • Captain Howdy

            It’s pogo time somewhere in the world

    • LHS

      “It works when one believes that it will.” Um, so how does he explain the cases of people like Yvonne Gillham who believed that auditing would cure their cancer and then they died of cancer anyway? Did they just not believe hard enough or what?

      • Troy MacGyver SP

        I never did like,Maty and would get so much shit for it. I still spent hours trying to find the new,”stalker.” 1. To make sure Mosey was safe 2. To get those $cion’s in trouble for viloating their stalking order 3. To help Marty as I knew I’d seen that plate before. Well,I asked for an explanation when the pic was from an old pic of his;nada. I always thought Mosey should get her cash and get as far away from that bastard and said so on this blog. I got sooo much grief on this sight but I continued to say it. Now, I’m hoping she reads this. Bail Mosey and get away from that nut job. I was raised by a broke,single mother and turned out fine.

      • Sarah James

        + one billion.

    • media_lush

      seems straightforward to me…. the very first sentence is the key; he’s making it easier for the final hardcore few who are still on the fence to make the first step in abandoning their cog dis… this piece is not for “us”, it’s for “them”

      …. mind you, as a never there’s a good chance I have this completely wrong

    • Captain Howdy

      Marty needs to get a job.

      • Troy MacGyver SP

        Paper boy’s get paid more than the Scions and mosey could throw in some rice and beans after working all day.

    • aegerprimo

      Grrrrrrrrrr! Yes. Here, check out what peeps are saying at ESMB…

      http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?35681-scientology-by-Mark-quot-Marty-quot-Rathbun

      • outraged

        I read the peeps at ESMB. many do not like marty. They think he is going to settle. :-{

    • EnthralledObserver

      My two knuts worth added at Marty’s:

      “As a never-in this debate is hilarious!
      Even the practitioners of $cientology can’t even decide ‘what’ it is. And to be frank the only reason it matters is a frantic and desperate effort to legitimize it.
      But, to who? Yourself? Other practitioners? Wogs and their law/societal systems in order for $cientology to live on and prosper?
      That’s right… $cientology needs to be seen as legitimate because its goals and survival have been so tightly woven with money since its very inception. Dianetics… a book written and published with the intent to make Hubbard MONEY! Hello!
      CO$ take the religious route to legitimize their ‘business’, because it’s the most lucrative, but in doing so the subject is muddled and confused because they have to tell so many lies. Indies are torn between a ‘philosophy’, ‘religion’ and ‘action’ depending on how they use it and whether they make money from it, and this too confuses everyone.
      And, ironically, the very fact that there has to even be a debate like this, with so many varying opinions and conclusions, pretty much obliterates the very legitimacy you are all so desperately trying to gain for $cientology.

      Continue…”

    • The solution is simple. Why are we giving tax breaks to any religion these days anyway? Let’s just wipe the slate clean and let all the religions fend for themselves. End tax abatement for religions. EOD> Enjoy.

    • 0tessa

      Not everything somebody believes in is automatically a religion.
      Believing in some sort of therapy based on Freud does not make it a religion.
      Believing in space opera does not make it a religion.

    • Disaffected

      By Marty’s definition almost anything qualifies as a religion. Reading his post I had that “huh??, wtf!!” moment. $cio is a scam and doesn’t even qualify as a religious sect IMO. Heavens gate, Peoples Temple, Branch Davidians etc had some background rooted in real religions. $cio has NOT, unless one considers the Astounding Science Fiction magazine as sacred religious writings. Sigh… Xemu, I pray to you!

  • media_lush

    tidying up old folders… came across this old school SP declare used as evidence in 1972… had a look at the names and the was kind of freaked out that Peter Goodwin was the name of my university tutor {nothing to do with this, thank Xenu} but the other surname I recognised was [Freda] Gaiman…. I’m pretty sure that she was/is a relative of Neil who’s been a topic of a few of Tony’s posts. Obviously there’s a whole lot more to this but it does [at least] explain Neil Gaiman’s reluctance to denounce the cult….

    2 pics… original SP declare and grab from http://www.skeptictank.org/r2-45.htm which explains that any existing scientologist is allowed to murder them with a .45 firearm

    …. hows about them apples!

    • Baby

      Just creeps me out Lush.. Damn.. I just got shivers..

      Marty.. That is some Fuckin religion!

    • Sarah James

      Scientology, the let’s kill em religion. With a .45 no less.

    • TDA1541A

      Down with this sort of thing !

  • Qbird

    Oh yeah…

    Celebrity Report

    We continue not to care about whether that actor guy is maybe dating
    that television gal, rumors of which the television gal now denies. So
    now we can go on not caring about that thing we didn’t care about.

    got it.

  • Pierrot

    An apple a day keeps the doctor away,
    some daily flagging keeps co$ away
    from vulnerable, lonely and depressed people.

    https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-75#post-2448172

    FREELOADER Debt is ILLEGAL and CAN’T BE ENFORCED.Call 1-866-XSEAORG
    DON’T route out, BLOW, Get HELP, get OUT, Call 1-866-XSEAORG

    Ty Baby

  • TDA1541A
    • Baby

      TDA Beautiful… Thank you Her voice is haunting..

  • Pete Griffiths

    It’s heartening to see evidence of the scam going down.

    • aquaclara

      Yes, it is!
      Just wanted to tell you I love what you’re doing in Ireland and with Flag Down. I have my pin….
      Best wishes to you, Pete, and thank you.
      Aquaclara

  • baddog5623

    Makes you wonder?

  • Hey Daaaaaviiiidddddd! They ain’t no mo money, honey! (And people told me the clams would never go broke.)