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STACY DAWN MURPHY: One Year After Her Death, Still No Answers

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March 12, 1992 — July 19, 2012

A year ago today, Stacy Dawn Murphy died at Scientology’s flagship drug rehab facility, Narconon Arrowhead in Oklahoma. She was just 20 years old. Her death was the third at the facility in only nine months, and it resulted in local and state investigations, numerous lawsuits, and even a new state law.

But we’re still waiting to hear about the result of investigations in Oklahoma. While we wait, we asked Gary Richardson for an update on the lawsuits that he’s handling for several families who are suing Narconon Arrowhead for wrongful death or fraud. We also asked for a comment from Luke Catton, who for several years was the president of Narconon. And we reached out to Colin Henderson, a former Narconon patient who first alerted us to Stacy’s death.

GARY RICHARDSON: Tony, things are going very well, especially as to depositions that have been taken by us in Stacy’s case. It’s unfortunate that either Narconon didn’t provide law enforcement with the names of witnesses and/or law enforcement ignored those available with very valuable information. I will tell you that one witness that spent the night with Stacy before she died and slept in the same room with her talked to Pittsburg County law enforcement for — according to her sworn testimony in a deposition — about 15 minutes. There was so much information that her deposition lasted roughly 6 hours. I will also tell you that another witness that was with Stacy in her room, alone, for the better part of the evening before Stacy went to bed, never was even talked to by law enforcement. She knew so much that her deposition lasted around 7 hours.

When I think of what the guy said on the TV about finding nothing that Narconon had done wrong, it turns my stomach. This was the guy they refer to as Sheriff. The same guy that said something to the effect that he would rather have a child that is a Scientologist than a dead child. It sounded a bit prejudiced on behalf of Narconon to me. I was surprised that making such a judgment was part of his job description. Sounded to me like he was going overboard to exonerate Narconon.

The bottom line is the civil case is going great. We will, with all the power within us, see to it that justice is gotten for Stacy.

LUKE CATTON: A lot has happened since the tragic death of Stacy Murphy. Oklahoma passed a new law aimed at tighter regulations. Local and national media outlets have shed light on Arrowhead and other Narconon centers’ corruption. A dozen civil suits are pending in Oklahoma and a class action lawsuit has been filed in Georgia. Officials from multiple agencies in several states are conducting criminal investigations into various Narconon practices. The list could go on, and will. Soon Arrowhead will be like Narconon of Georgia is now, without a single client and no money coming in, as they’ve been below the level of viability for many months already. My condolences to Stacy’s family and the other families who are not forgotten. The church of Scientology and all of its tentacles will pay for their inhumane practices and criminal acts. Justice and retribution are just around the corner.

COLIN HENDERSON My heart continues to hurt for the Murphy family. It has been one year since the passing of Stacy Dawn Murphy and so many questions still remain unanswered. All of the families that have lost loved ones to Narconon Arrowhead deserve proper justice in a timely manner. It’s pretty sad to say the civil suits are making far more progress than any of the “investigations” by the State of Oklahoma, Pittsburgh County’s DA Office and the “Safe Pointing” Sheriff Joel Kerns. I know the wheels of justice are slow, but not this damn slow! In my most humble opinion, there should be an “investigation” into the “investigations.”

“Justice shall be delivered by truth. And the truth is everywhere, to know the truth sets you free.”

 
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Brandon tells us that you can buy tickets starting today at the Fringe NYC website. Showtimes: Tuesday Aug 20 @ 4:30, Wednesday Aug 21 @ 7:00, Thursday Aug 22 @ 3:45, Friday August 23 @ 9:45, Saturday Aug 24 @ 2:15.

What do you say we make Wednesday the 21st Underground Bunker night? Grab your tickets now!

 
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Nancy Many on CNN

Nancy Many tells us she’s going to be on CNN this morning, talking about the Scientology defection of Leah Remini. Keep an eye out for her!

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on July 19, 2013 at 07:00

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  • 1subgenius

    Some fine police work there, Lou.

  • LongNeckGoose

    What a tragedy for a young person looking for help to die so needlessly. It reminds me of a line from VALIS by Philip K. Dick: “This is why suicide hotlines are not manned by nitwits.”

  • shasha40

    I still Do Not get it. I understand inveestigations need to be done to bring appropriate criminal charges , but shouldn’t All NN ‘s be Shut down from now to prevent any more deaths ? The mere fact that they have No licensed medical personnel should warrant this ! People are being Lied to and their loved ones don’t get better, they’re Dying . I hope the Feds are looking into Arrowhead too, ( probably have their ” infiltrates” there too !), since Deputy Fife seems to be unable to protect and serve , and is Easily hypnotized ! This Shit is ridiculous !!!

  • Layla

    It makes no sense to me that people die at rehab facilities. They are there to save their lives. I am looking forward to watching the cult fall to the ground with DM in the ruin.

    • FistOfXenu

      It makes sense if we stop calling NarCONon a drug rehab facility. I think we make it confusing by using words with their $cientarCONon meaning instead of their real meaning.

      Let’s compare the meanings of “drug rehab facility” and “NarCONon”.
      “Drug rehab facility”:
      Cult meaning = front group for recruiting new cultists and scamming money from vulnerable people.
      Real meaning = a place where addicts get real help from people with genuine qualifications.

      “NarCONon”:
      Cult meaning = a place where addicts get real help from people with genuine qualifications.
      Real meaning = front group for recruiting new cultists and scamming money from vulnerable people.

      See what they do there? I don’t think we can work out clear ideas or communicate them if we use the cult’s definitions. Liar Ron Humbug made up his dictionary to lie and confuse people so he could control them.

      • phronsie

        I’ve been feeling this very strongly since I started reading this site and some others regarding scientology; I understand that knowing the lingo helps to demystify what cult members are saying and helps outsiders to relate to and reach out to them, but I also understand that the lingo is very clearly designed to keep the world at bay and leave cult members cut off from effectively communicating with the outside world while also allowing them to feel superior. I suppose also by creating made-up words and repurposing others, it helps to disassociate clear meaning and thinking — sort of an assist in brainwashing themselves? But I don’t like giving their made-up and repurposed words validity, legitimacy by using them or appearing to accept them. I wish when a scientology word is used by a non-scientologist, it was also always accompanied by what it really means — if real meaning can actually be found for all of the bastardized, mutated words they use…. “So he was “audited,’ subjected to intense behavioral and mental conditioning.” “Ah “sec checked,” aggressive interrogation and intimidation.” “Oh, you wrote up a “knowledge report,” you snitched or informed on someone.”

  • SS

    Criminal organizations grease local authorities. Not the first Sheriff to take a seemingly pro-Scientology stance in the face of a shitstorm. Thirteen hours worth of depositions vs 15 minutes of law enforcement interviews for two key witnesses is a joke…. certainly doesn’t sound as though they’re trying to figure out what really happened.

    • mirele

      *cough* Lee Baca LA County Sheriff *cough*

  • GlibWog

    In memory those who have lost their lives
    Bring those Fuckers Down!

    • shasha40

      To me, emotions trump “eyes”. Besides , Anger and Outrage Is an appropriate response. We are human beings with compassion and empathy , after all. Something Tiny d*ck knows Nothing about being, the Big Being that he is.

      • GlibWog

        Yep Shasha.. and that is why I edited.. absolutely agree with you. I am also Outraged 100%

        • shasha40

          That’s why we’re here, to watch as , Scientology’s falling down, falling down, falling down ! Scientology’s falling down, My dear Tiny D*ck !

      • GlibWog

        To tell you the truth Shasha.. I was going to ” Bring It ” to the point that Lawyers would have to be hired.. So that’s why I stated that about the ” Eyes ” … Pissed about this whole situation..
        How Many More Lives will be Lost ? and many, many, many will have Blood on their Hands when this is all over.

        • shasha40

          I totally understand, but now’s the time while “eyes” are watching to speak up and be heard . Be mindful of how you say it,but I Feel the outrage Needs to be heard. It’s called Freedom of speech…

  • Sidney18511

    CNN STORY ABOUT LEAH COMING UP IN A FEW MINS. It is now 7:48am.

  • shasha40

    On the East coast, Leah’s story up next ! This is So Awesome !

    • GlibWog

      OHHHH thanks Shasha and Sidney..off to watch

      • shasha40

        Too early for popcorn ? Nah …

  • Sidney18511

    8:00am and CNN its still teasing about Leah and “what really happened at Tom Cruises wedding” Leah’s sister will be on……this is gonna be good! Too early for popcorn?

    • Snuzey

      Can you put some updates on for us in the UK please? 🙂

    • shasha40

      Nah, gotta have it especially since they’re making us wait . Tony, your story’s got some serious legs , it’s all over the place. Think Tiny d’s watching ? Will Karin Pouw show up ? If so which one ?

    • stanrogers

      If it’s too early for popcorn, there’s always Corn Pops (the kettle corn you can have for breakfast!.

  • 10oriocookies

    The lack of action on OK’s part is unforgivable. These are citizens of the United States of America, someone’s sons and daughters, friends, etc. Colin is correct, we need investigations into why these so called “investigations” are taking so long.
    Luke and Colin, my hats off to you guys. Keep up the great work.
    Check out Narcononreviews.net also. It went live yesterday, lots of info to help people make the right choice about NN.

    • Observer

      I wonder what how many and what kinds of skeletons are lurking in Sneriff Kerns’ closet. He is so obviously soft-pedaling something that so obviously stinks that it seems to me he may be being blackmailed rather than softpointed.

      • shasha40

        Or has been and still is recieving chunk loads of cash from COS , we know that’s their MO .

        • 10oriocookies

          you mean donations… it’s all very legal in the Scn world.

          • shasha40

            Uh, yeah, donations… Thanks 10orio for reminding me of the ” proper” term . But is it legal in the wog world ? Isn’t that bribery ?

            • 10oriocookies

              Bribery is now synonymous with campaign contribution and contract approval.

            • shasha40

              Oh, yeah , I forgot I live in the good old USA . Ooops !

            • Captain Howdy

              These days even in small town, small time politics they have corruption down to an art form, unless of course you’re former Ma. State Senator Dianne Wilkerson, She decided to go for the tried and true “Bra Tech”

              http://youtu.be/FoZAW96hapQ

            • Exterrier

              Clever of her. Bribery has morphed into Brabery.

      • 10oriocookies

        They have undoubtedly been working on him for years. No OK sheriff would act like that if he hadnt drank a bit of the Kool-Aid.

    • scnethics

      So true what you say. And that’s a great website!

    • aquaclara

      10oreos,
      THANK YOU for the linky to the lovely surprise.. I am up-arrowing you in 1,000 Oreos.
      Narcononreviews.net is a kick-ass package of loveliness on Narconon fraud. There are docs, and reviews, and warnings, and info. There is your section, and Luke’s, too.
      Wow. Take a look everybody, and post all around. If everybody googles and shares, the cult loses a chance to pull in more victims.
      Narcononreviews.net exposes Narconon fraud.
      What a tribute to Stacy and all those who have suffered. And what a huge undertaking from the Tipping Pointers.
      Thanks, Eric.

      • Poison Ivy

        Such an important website. Congrats Eric.

    • Michael Leonard Tilse

      Hi 10oriocookies,

      I went to the Narconreviews.net site you linked. I think it is a great idea.

      I would like to let you know I was a little frustrated by the site. In clicking around, it seemed very wordy. The paragraphs were long and seemed to give little information other than links to other pages.

      There were no actual reviews on the home page, which is what I would normally expect. I think a family member searching for information would perhaps feel it was a waste of time trying to get to the actual reviews or documentation and go on to some other site about rehabs, perhaps even a narconon one.

      I had to click around quite a bit to get to the description of the narconon program, and still it was quite a way down the page before the comment from Luke that there were links to scientology.

      So, first on the page I would put quotes from the Parents of former patients on the page, or a strong quote from them, each with a bold link to the longer review.

      I think perhaps putting in very short accurate statements like “Narconon uses scientology techniques and is associated with scientology” on the front page with a link directly to Lukes statement.

      These kind of site designs might make narconreviews.net a bit more accessible to those who most need the information.

      Keep up the good work!

      • DeElizabethan

        I opened the site and thought wow, good job. I did not go anywhere with it, but sounds like you have some good ideas. I don’t know what it takes to get a site going but it must not be easy. Just that it’s out there now is Fabulous.

      • 10oriocookies

        Thanks for the suggestions. I will pass them along to Ethercat. The site is a work in progress, the more feedback the better.

    • Mark

      Now that is a good idea – using an ‘unsensational’ consumer-review approach to get at the supposedly ‘uncontroversial’ progeny of Co$.

    • DeElizabethan

      Kudos, site looks great! Will read soon.

    • tetloj

      Yay Ethercat

  • Truthiwant

    You don’t know what I would give to be at the Underground Bunker night to see The TomKat Project!

    Do we go out for a beer afterwards?

    Ah, shucks, I’m just imagining things!

    Probably will have to exteriorize and send my Thetan to NYC from Italy!

    • Poison Ivy

      So sad…just left NYC for a long sojourn into the deep South. JUST missing it!!!!

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        Oooh, have fun.

      • FistOfXenu

        PI you went south for the SUMMER? So I guess it’s not migration.

        • Poison Ivy

          It is work related. An new adventure.

          • FistOfXenu

            Well, good luck on it and keep yourself safe and hydrated.

      • Truthiwant

        Maybe today was not quite the right time to post a fun comment, and it certainly is not out of respect for the main story of the day.

        The idea of meeting some of the fine people that post here would be good!

      • MissCandle

        If you’ll be in North Florida near my lighthouse, please let me know. Good luck on your project.

    • sugarplumfairy

      How about we come there to you? I like that idea better..

      • Truthiwant

        Now that’s a cool idea. ‘The Underground Bunker On the Road’ or ‘Underground Bunker World Tour’.
        Here in Italy, the Scientologists have that same dumb fanaticism as they do with you in America. In the end, obviously the Italian Scientologists end up all the same with you, either at Flag or on the Freewinds so that they can empty their wallets directly on Hubbard’s home soil.
        Any event at the local Org here ends up as a fundraiser. When I was in, it was Ideal Org Project and Library Project or Dissemination Kit, which meant you had to buy a number of copies of Dianetics and The way to Happiness. I remember getting one of these ‘kits’ but I still have all the books. I’ve never sold a Hubbard book in my life!
        Really is nuts the whole thing!

        • sugarplumfairy

          It’s summer.. Those books would make a nice bonfire.. We could roast some sausages and make s’mores..

          • Truthiwant

            Excellent idea!

  • Bury_The_Nuts

    Stacy Dawn Murphy should not have died in the hell hole of Narconon.
    Nor any of the other victims of that scam rehab.
    I am disgusted by the “Sheriff”, Joel Kerns.
    What an embarrassment to Law Enforcement that clown is.

    • Valerie Ross

      I missed your comeback yesterday, we missed you. I went over to try to sign up to the rodeo the day you left to see if you came back there. But no one has responded to my membership request at the Rodeo. I’m glad you are back here. Your voice is important and valued. I’m assuming you read t
      Tony’s comment to you the day you left?

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        Yes, I got spanked by Dad.
        I was being a big baby.
        I am completely over it.
        Thanks for missing me.

        • Robert Eckert

          Is Alice/Chaz over it? Haven’t seen her back.

          • Bury_The_Nuts

            Apparently not.
            She hasn’t been back to the rodeo either.

            • Robert Eckert

              Well I hope she lurks and sees that she is missed.

            • stillgrace

              What the heck happened in the bunker while I was away?? No answer required. I am just feeling uninformed and out of it. I will backtrack and read this week’s comments.

            • Observer

              We’ll see you in a year or so then. The sheer volume of comments has been amazing!

            • FistOfXenu

              Yup. If you go to the home page and look at how many comments have been added to each article you’ll see you’re in for a rough time if you try to catch up. Can you do without sleep for a few days?

            • Robert Eckert

              It is difficult to sum up in brief but I’ll try: Brian Culkin doubled back (he’s a yoga teacher so he’s good at that) to being an attacker of Scientology, saying his “Declaration” in support of their side in the Garcia lawsuit was fraudulently obtained and that their filing, which claimed he was afraid to testify because of how mean posters here at the Bunker (and other places) were to him, was just stuff and nonsense. So this started a huge argument about his character: as FOX notes a post or so above, it is tempting but erroneous to be black-and-white about who’s a “good guy” or “bad guy” in this story. There were similar though less heated arguments about Leah Remini’s history as a defender of the {church} before her spectacular defection. Unfortunately these exchanges led to some bruised feelings among long-time posters who felt they too were being unfairly accused of being overly nasty etc. BuryTheNuts decided she needed to take some time off but this proved a short vaycay; unfortunately Prefer2BeAnon is still apparently feeling hurt, and we don’t know if this is just a time-out or if it will be like MidwestMom’s much-lamented absence. On the other hand, SkipPress has occasionally stuck his head in despite all the anger he felt when he left (at me, among others). Then there was a sideshow with FLUNK_101, who was wanting to blow up at SugarPlumFairy over “insults and attacks” that only he could see (I regret trying to talk him out of this as I only succeeded in aggravating him further; however, neither SPF nor FLUNK have vanished).

            • FistOfXenu

              Impressive! You do Shakespeare in 60 Seconds too?

            • Missionary Kid

              Probably in 59.

            • stateofcircle

              I want to know more about this Skip Press thing
              mmmmmm gossip yummy
              I know no one wants to re hash though, so whatevs.

            • Robert Eckert

              Long long ago he used to bring up his right-wing Republican views in contexts where some of us did not think it appropriate to do so, and this led to some angry exchanges, and so he disappeared for months. Once in a while of late, however, he has contributed his insider memories.

            • FLUNK_101

              Yes, I overreacted. That’s correct. Even if we respectfully disagree about the other things that have happened over the past year. But that’s in the past now.
              As far as insults and attacks that only I can see, it just so happens that there are those on this blog, my few friends, who see my point of view. You left that part out.
              There have been many, many times when I wished Tony would say something about what happens sometimes on this blog. He finally did. He told me to chill the fuck out. That’s fine with me. It’s almost a relief. I’ve thought long and hard about how to deal with those who frustrate me on this blog. I guess chilling the fuck out is the best solution after all.

              Peace

              Flunk

            • Zlogonje

              you deluded dude. past is never past. you will always be the sick crazy jerk here who kisses asses this day and fucks up the next. you are long con man. peace my ass.

            • Missionary Kid

              So, are you trying to be a troll? everyone here is trying to make nice, and to me, you look like you’re trying to get a fight started.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              That is a big ass bingo.
              I been watchin’ you.
              You obviously have been watching here for long time? no?
              😉

              edit: and yeah…I am speaking to you in your own schtick….

            • sugarplumfairy

              No random Internet voice will ever make me disappear.. If Tony asked my to leave, I would respect his wishes as proprietor.. But even though i adore most of the personalities I’ve met here, I could care less what someone I don’t even know thinks about me.. (although I passionately lovvvve an up arrow..) I respect social rules and I care enough about my fellow man in general not to start fights and hurl slurs and insults.. I have never insulted anyone here, excepting scientology celebs..I have freely voiced some powerful opinions though.. feel great pity for people who have so little control and insight that they feel the need to do that.. And though I always kid about fairy smacks, the fact of the matter is that I have never smacked anyone in my entire life.. Not even my obnoxious brothers.. But there’s always a first time..

              I’m here for the duration.. And PreferTBA better get her ass back here..

              “He who angers me conquers me..”

            • FLUNK_101

              When some tells me my personality was ruined by the tech, that’s an insult.

            • FLUNK_101

              If I’m talking about something I have a passion for, and someone who doesn’t even understand what I ‘m talking about tells me that I “think too much” and that I need to go “work in a soup kitchen,” that’s an insult.
              What if you were talking about how much you hate Scientology? And someone told you, “You think too much, go work in a soup kitchen.” Is that cool?

            • sugarplumfairy

              I’m sorry you took that as an insult.. It was an opinion.. I say from now on, we stick to topic because things are getting interesting and our petty arguments only derail and inflame..

              Peace

            • Captain Howdy

              I think ignore tech is the best policy for all concerned, including myself.

            • sugarplumfairy

              Check, Cap’n.. Implementing now..

            • FLUNK_101

              SPF, please don’t be a HEATHER, like Captain Howdy. This blog is not high school. It’s not about shunning the me, or anyone else, because they tried to contribute something meaningful.

            • FLUNK_101

              As one of our fellow Bunkerites recently said to me,

              “We ‘never ins’ need to listen to you ‘now outs’ with a little more respect. Some things in Scientology presumably do make sense, or else nobody would ever join it. That you survived the stuff in Co$ that is pernicious rubbish is simply a tribute to your sanity and strength of character.”

              Ain’t it the truth!

            • FLUNK_101

              Thank you SPF.

              Peace.

            • Captain Howdy

              My sentiments exactly…more or less.

            • Valerie Ross

              I followed your link to the Rodeo and asked for membership 3 days ago, assuming I would be accepted because you said no one gets denied. When I applied I told them that I posted here and gave them my name. Since it has been 3 days since I applied, do I assume I have been denied, or how long does it take?

            • Anonolily

              John p. or Spackle motion must approve ya and they have been scarce last couple of days. I will try to ping one of them for you when I get back from my travels in the outer universe!

            • FLUNK_101

              Why would you want to go on Rodeo???
              Intellectually speaking, it’s a real shit-hole.

            • DeElizabethan

              Why were/are you there? Just wondering.

            • FLUNK_101

              I was there for the same reason as everyone else, to talk about Scientology. But the quality of the commenting is much worse than here. There was a super-creep named Claritysav who was sure I was an OSA troll. Not very smart. He was “sure” that I wasn’t sincere, that I wasn’t who I said I was, and he used that as a justification to torment me endlessly.

            • Valerie Ross

              It is unfortunate in my eyes that you choose to post an incendiary question such as this on a day when we are mourning Stacey. I am politely requesting that you show Stacey the respect she deserves by not attempting to raise people’s hackles on the anniversary of her death.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Hi Val, you should be getting something (email) from SM anytime.
              Happy to have you join us.
              And it is NOT an intellectual vacuum.
              It is nice place to vent or go completely off topic (OT)???
              Or have an offline discussion with someone about something a bit more private…

            • FLUNK_101

              I’m mourning Stacy too! I remember her story from a year ago like it was yesterday.

            • FLUNK_101

              After I left Rodeo, I exchanged an email with French Mike.
              He said:

              “I haven’t been to the Rodeo Group for a long time, so I didn’t know you’d left.
              Good for you! Those youngsters were never raised properly and aren’t fit company for civilized people.”

            • sugarplumfairy

              And thank god Bury is here again.. Because the fairy was very depressed when she wasn’t.. Now.. Midwest Mom!! Harden TFU, and get back in here!

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Mom likes lots of hot sauce!

            • stillgrace

              Wow, Robert. Thank you. You saved me tons of time. It’s amazing how difficult it is to read all the comments now that Tony’s posts typically get 700+ comments and he often publishes more than one story per day. Following the Bunker is like having a full-time job! I did see some pretty foul and ugly posts by one poster, did anyone get banned?

              I can’t imagine a bunker without BTN and SPF; I enjoy P2BA’s posts, I hope she returns. I’m always holding out hope for Midwest Mom.

            • Robert Eckert

              Nobody was banned, but Tony did have to issue a straighten-up-and-fly-right post.

            • Robert Eckert

              If you’re going to fight your way all through one thread, really the one to read is “tell us your disconnection stories”. That one left me speechless.

            • Mark

              Me too.

              Grace could try selecting ‘Best’ – those comments that got the most upvotes – rather than ‘Newest’ at the top of the thread; it gives a more manageable precis.

        • FistOfXenu

          Sorry I have to ask. I feel like I should know the answer but I don’t. What’s the connection between you and BuryTheNuts2?

          • Bury_The_Nuts

            She was my clone. I killed her.
            Duplication irritates me.

            • FistOfXenu

              Well, no OTXIII for you then.

          • Bury_The_Nuts

            Thank Xenu..i mean, Thank YOU!

    • TheWidowDenk

      This is a far more effective approach to investigation. The statement was published today in my neck of the woods.

      However, Assistant Fire (name deleted) said a full investigation into the fire will be done to confirm the cause. “We’ll do everything we can for them and try and make this as quick as possible in terms of the investigation so we can help them move forward,” he said.

  • Vistaril

    RIP

    Stacy Dawn Murphy.

    • GlibWog

      Beautiful Young life lost.. Thank you Vistaril

    • cicely neville

      Someone’s baby girl. Murdered.

  • shasha40

    It’s on now !

  • sugarplumfairy

    It’s on CNN right now..

  • sugarplumfairy

    Leah left because of disconnection, not religious reasons.. Comparing it to Lisa Marie’s leaving..

  • sugarplumfairy

    Woohoo! Talking about Shelly now! Nancy’s doing great!

  • sugarplumfairy

    RPF

  • sugarplumfairy

    How does the church maintain this level of control and power over members? Knowledge reports now..

    • FistOfXenu

      KRs are just the start. It’s what KRs lead to and the crack pot ideas Para$citology teaches to scare and shame cult members that screws with people. The extra cost (being out-ethics ain’t cheap), the sec checks, the extra cost, the threats, the extra cost, the Ethics conditions, the extra cost, the pressure from people you love, the extra cost, the warnings about losing your eternity, the extra cost, the attempts to shame you for sake of the planet and the greater good, the extra cost, the constant threat of disconnection, the extra cost, and if all that fails, being declared SP and disconnected.

      Oh, did I mention the extra cost? (being out-ethics ain’t cheap)

      • sugarplumfairy

        Yep.. But I was just kinda captioning what was being said on CNN this morning during Nancy Many’s interview..

      • DeElizabethan

        Not everybody has to pay or do sec-checks when thrown into ethics. Having money helps and believe me they know who has the funds. When you don’t have enough funds to draw from they just put you through a lot of hassles.

        • FistOfXenu

          I get it De. Thanks. I guess it’s just like, you don’t have to disconnect from your SP wife and your daughter if you’re a Big Bean with a ton of dough and a certain tiny friend sitting in the big boy’s chair. Exceptions can be made.

          • DeElizabethan

            Right on that Fist. I meant going to ethics from a KR or whatever shit reason, does’n’t necessarily cost you $ – the little guy, ya know? Just your time and hassle. Like even being late or want a day away gets you Special treatment.

  • sugarplumfairy

    She just mentioned Tony!

    • Snuzey

      yay! 🙂

  • sugarplumfairy

    Karen’s son dying and the church not allowing her to view body!

  • sugarplumfairy

    Short but sweet.. Over now..

    • shasha40

      Yeah, but I thought they didn’t rush and Nancy got in the ,” where’s Shelly?” question and the RPF ! It’s like she had a checklist and hit every point ! Wonder what Tiny d’s doing? Scotch at 6 am , having a tantrum in a corner, sending people to the hole. I wish you Karma Tiny d !

      • nancy

        LOL

        • shasha40

          You know it’s true, Nancy, you Rocked !

  • sugarplumfairy

    Wow! Nancy got in some major stuff.. And she got in Tony Ortega’s interview with Nicole yesterday! Great job, Nancy.. Chris Cuomo was the interviewer..

    • Snuzey

      How big are the CNN audiences? Im guessing its pretty huge…

    • dognut

      Great to see the segment didn’t end with the prepared (dishonest) statement by Scientology PR machine, but gave the last word to someone eminently credible. Hope to see even more mainstream coverage.

      • sugarplumfairy

        Oh, they got that in.. But it was before Nancy’s segment..

        • DeElizabethan

          Really? but at least it’s not on the vid. How did it go then to the larger audience, was it sufficient to knock the main act? Hope not!

          • sugarplumfairy

            There was a story before Nancy’s interview about Leah leaving scientology.. It included some of the radio interview with Nicole.. I was working and didn’t see most of that, but I caught the tail end of it which included the co$ disclaimer..

            • DeElizabethan

              Thanks Sugar, get the picture.

  • sugarplumfairy

    Crap.. Now I have to go into a boring exploratory lap..

    • Snuzey

      thanks for the updates tho 🙂

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      Send us pictures! hehehe

  • Captain Howdy

    If you want to contact Sheriff Joel Kerns, here’s some links. Also, he’s running for re-election. I wonder if the person that’s running against him is aware of his questionable behavior in this case?

    https://www.oklahomasheriffs.org/app/web/sheriff/58

    https://www.facebook.com/JoelKernsForPittsburgCountySheriff

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      LOL…He works for the OSA!!!
      That says it all.

      • Captain Howdy

        So if people go around saying that Sheriff Joel works for OSA, they wouldn’t be lying, would they? Hee, hee.

      • GlibWog

        OMG BTN Good Catch! LOL

    • Marie Claire Wolf

      Thank you so much for the link. 😉

      • Captain Howdy

        You’re welcome, Ms. Wolf.

    • 1subgenius

      Hoping Observer’s shoop or something like it is used by Kern’s opponent.

      • Captain Howdy

        On further research it seems that Sheriff Joel won reelection last year. He’s just too lazy to change his Facebook page to reflect that.

  • shasha40

    That was Great ! They basically used the interview Nicole did on the radio station the other day. But Nancy got alot in ! She spoke ofcShelly having not been seen for 7 years and how some are put on the RPF for 8-9+ years. Spoke about the devastation of disconnection, how it’s a ” high control” group and members have to report on their friends to the church ! Nancy frickin’ Rocked and got a bunch out, she gave a shout out to Tony O too ! Take the day off Tony, your stats are So straight up and Vertical !

    • Marie Claire Wolf

      Yes it was. The flames are getting higher and higher, soon to be a conflagration licking the ‘derrière’ of cob. Keep up the pressure about Shelley, it is actually working!

    • MissCandle

      Imagine my surprise when I was getting ready to go take care of my parents and saw the CNN spot with Cuomo and Many. Nancy was superb especially considering that it’s hard to make clear valid points in such a short period of time. She did well. Cuomo should get background from Cooper, imo. But it seems the CNN folks were fascinated in a sick way and so may be inspired to delve further. Also, the standard response from S-Lying-Tology, when read by CNN, sounded stupid. Really stupid. So that’s all good, imo.

      • shasha40

        I hope Nancy Many saw my standing ovation ! She was like a conductor Leading a band ! She didn’t even need a power point, yet ran the whole negative lies that are Slyentology ! It’s been a hell of a week !

        • DeElizabethan

          I hope to see it on a vid, either here or WWP.

  • Gerard Plourde

    “The same guy that said something to the effect that he would rather have a child that is a Scientologist than a dead child.”
    Sadly, that’s not the issue. Narconon is a scam that doesn’t provide a safe environment or adequate treatment while in many cases bankrupting the addict’s family because health plans often find it to be nonconforming. Consequently, the likely result is a child at serious risk of relapse and death.

    • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

      There is no EITHER Scientology OR death. There are other options.

      Personally, I would rather have a kid a drug addict than a Scientology. Drugs are cheaper, easier to quit, and less hazardous to one’s health.

    • RMycroft

      “We’d rather have you dead than incapable.”
      – L. Ron Hubbard, KSW.

      • Lark Smith

        WFT- how the hell do Hubtard’s followers explain it when he says crap like this? Okay now I’m shocked and dismayed.

        • Observer

          You’ll see the phrase “Scientology: it’s always worse than you think” repeated here. It never stops being true, no matter what they’ve done *this* time.

          • Lark Smith

            It was easier when I just laughed at them. Not productive but easier. This stuff makes your soul sad.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Yeah, I know the feeling.

            • FistOfXenu

              Now you’re here Lark, you’ll realize that most of the snark and humor is because Para$citology is so relentless inhuman and evil that if we don’t mock this cult it’s unbearable to keep learning about it. People call it a sci fi cult but it’s really a sci fi/horror cult. J&D (Joking & Degrading) is how a lot of us cope with the sick twisted nastiness of Hubbardism. The difference is we don’t just J&D. It’s a great bunch of people here and that helps too.

              The occasional boiler maker doesn’t hurt either. 😉

            • Lark Smith

              Thanks, I also love to snark. But this information so brutal at times. Again apologize for my innocence, I was truly uninformed. My interest started with TC’s rant directed at Brooke Shields, he appeared truly mentality unbalanced, mean spirited, and arrogant. I was actually waiting for the Cherch to denounce his statements…. like I said clueless.

            • FistOfXenu

              We all started out clueless 1 way or the other. You never need to apologize for your innocence. Better innocent than being like Miscavige and Cruise and Alley and some others. They’re guilty as hell. That’s why this cult is so brutal. The guilty people think their guilt is some kind of virtue.

              And at least here you got good resources. Tony’s always putting up good stuff plus his articles going back here in the Bunker and then there’s the articles he put out when he was still at the Village Voice. And then there’s loads of books. And then we have some great commenters here including ex-members and family of members and people that were never in but know a lot. You won’t stay clueless here.

              In case that doesn’t sound like “welcome to the Bunker” let me say it now. Welcome.

              I guess the other thing you’ll see quick enough is that it’s easy for some of us (me included) to talk like it’s all just good guys and bad guys, plain and simple. Since I’ve been here I’m learning it’s more complicated than that. There’s shades of gray too with people that look like they’re trying to do good but they still haven’t let go of stuff some of us consider bad. That maybe isn’t clear but stick around, it will be. The way I see it is Para$citology makes its members confused about right and wrong. Some of them stay confused even after they leave and it takes time for them to get it all straight again.

            • Lark Smith

              Thank you both Observer and FOX- I’ll read up. I’m currently on summer break (school teacher) so I have some time and energy.

            • Observer

              Scientology really caught my attention in 1986 when LRH died in Creston, California, a tiny town a very few miles from where I grew up. I then read Bare Faced Messiah, which was a real eye-opener. Even after more than a quarter century of exposure, it doesn’t get any less sickening.

              Here’s a link to Bare Faced Messiah online. The “church” forced it out of print with specious copyright lawsuits, but that didn’t kill it. It’s a great introduction to both the cult and the old fraud who started it.

              http://www.xenu.net/archive/books/bfm/bfmconte.htm

            • Observer

              And the “leading lights” of Scientology seriously need some public degrading.

            • FistOfXenu

              Yup. There’s Degraded Miscavige and Joke Travolta, and Tosser Cruise and Krustie Alley for a start. We shouldn’t forget Tommy “I’m real mad” Deviance either.

              Some people won’t agree but I’d throw in Marty “Quantum Woowoo Warrior” Ratbone too.

              EDIT: did I really forget Liar Ron Humbug? Sorry. 😛

            • Lark Smith

              Using my coping skills- beware JD ahead. Poor Krustie is on my radar.

              Stephanie Badam’s is my new hero I love her snark. I found this on Krusty’s FB page. Thank you Stepanie!

              Kirstie prompt – Blah blah is a a bagain at 14.95

              Response

              Stephanie Badams- Poor Sea Org Staff in Scientology don’t have $14.95 to buy “Rescue Me”. But they don’t have health insurance, make $20 / week, no benefits, no cars, no money – RESCUE THEM! Ask David Miscavige where the IAS money goes? Why does he wear John Lobb shoes and tan? How many cars does he own? Private Jet? Tailored suits? $300,000 party’s for Tom Cruise on the Freewinds – all from the IAS! Ask to see Financial Statements. TRANSPARENCY in Scientology – you must demand it! Ask where the money goes? LOOK, Kirstie – please? Just look!

              Wednesday at 5:44pm

              Kirstie- I need to find something exciting to do this week…I’m starved for adventure!!!

              Comment

              Stephanie Badams Shelly Miscavige is starved – literally. She eats slop out of a bucket at Scientology’s International Base in Gilman Hot Springs, CA. She is in Scientology’s prison called the HOLE. FREE SHELLY!

              July 15 at 7:48pm

              Kirstie – I hate felling wiped out

              Shelly Miscavige does not like the wiped out feeling of the RPF’s RPF in the hole at the Int Base. Free Shelly Miscavige

              I love Stephanie’s posts.

        • Captain Howdy

          Sci troll vaLLarrr use to regularly accuse us of engaging in “contextomy” as far as our use of LRH quotes was concerned.

          • Observer

            I can’t come up with any context in which “we’d rather have you dead than incapable” is anything less than sinister, especially when coupled with Ron’s fatwahs against SPs and his RW-45 auditing policy.

      • 1subgenius

        Nail on the head.

      • And the cult of Scientology acts constantly on that evil doctrine. It’s why nothing good can ever come of this belief system.

    • Captain Howdy

      For me the main issue with narconon is their practice of detoxing people non-medically. This is extremely dangerous and should be illegal. Virtually no one in the medical/drug rehabilitation community considers this method humane or safe. It needs to be stopped NOW.

      • Gerard Plourde

        Absolutely. Of course the side issue of Scientology indoctrination is also troubling, but reliance on “cold turkey” is outright dangerous and potentially life-threatening.

        • Poison Ivy

          It’s worse than cold turkey, when they put them into a sauna and give them niacin…they are potentially raising blood pressure and pushing an already overtaxed liver to its limits.

      • DodoTheLaser

        Thank you, Cap. Same here.

    • FistOfXenu

      I hope Sheriff Tool isn’t moron enough to say that to Stacy’s family or the families of any body else that died because $cientarCONon still hasn’t word cleared “duty of care”. For them “$cientologist” = “dead child”. Pathetic.

  • Sidney18511

    Nancy did great!

  • JonathanRoberts

    The way Stacy Dawn Murphy was treated by Narconon was inhumane I pray justice shall be served in the end. Luke Catton speaking out also has been great even as he is risking his own personal reputation, it’s just the right thing to do. Colin Henderson has been in the trenches really putting it on the line and he is not slowing down.

    I can’t wait to start hearing reviews of, “The Tomkat Project”. Thanks to Tony’s heads up I caught the end of the Nancy Many interview on CNN. Loved it and now the video of the interview is probably being posted to the their site. It just get’s better and better watching this all play out.

  • Marc Headley

    R.I.P. Stacey.

    THIS. IS. WHY!

  • Bella Legosi

    It really was the death of Stacy and Alex that shifted me from being a lurker, to full blown vocal and showing up to protest the Idle mOrg opening here in Portland. I want to thank Tony for all the info he has put out on these stories as well as many others. Also, Luke and Eric, keep doing what you are doing. It may not seem like enough but its a hell of a lot more then what some “civil servants” have done in respect to being honest and vocal about NarCONon and Co$ in general.

    Okay i gotta go to work! Thank you again Tony, Luke and Eric! I know I am leaving out many more people that are involved

    • JonathanRoberts

      Well I wish to thank you for all the great pictures you took of the Portland opening. Any updates will be greatly appreciated such as newly opened desolate scientology idle orgs.

      • Bella Legosi

        You and everyone who is concerned about the undue influence this cult has on America, it citizens are very welcome. I haven’t been back downtown since Rose Fest, but plan to go back down at some point to check on the absolute waste of money this cult spent for a building where only 50 people may enter a month!

        When I do go back down I will most definitely keep you Bunkerites in mind!

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        JR, curious about your AV? You? Now? Last week? Decade?
        I must admit I love that photo…from wherever it originated.
        It is just a lovely pic….

  • KNMF

    The waters of TRUTH keep rising on Scientology island, and Hubbard never taught Scientologists how to swim. glub glub glub, davey.

  • Observer

    Why is nobody asking this question?

    • 1subgenius

      Howdy has posted a link to the sheriff’s opponent. Get this to him.

      • Observer

        Did someone else do it?

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          False alarm. He has already been re-elected.

          • Observer

            People never cease to amaze me with their stubborn, stupid belief that nobody they know–or celebrities like Tom Cruise–could possibly be involved with anything horrible. We are all capable of doing anything, or falling for anything, in the right circumstances.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Ditt fuckin O!

            • Observer

              I see what you did there. Ha!

            • When Tony was on the Village Voice, commenters would show up who said they’d met Tom Cruise and he was soooo nice to them (his paying fans), he can’t possibly be a bad guy. I remember a lot of comments on articles from people who claimed they could tell whether someone was good or bad when first meeting them. I just do not understand these people.

    • N. Graham

      Davey is too tall in this. His head shouldn’t be quite up to their shoulders. Is this a new Axis of Evil? Throw in TC and you’ve got a Mt. Rushmore of Shame.

      • FistOfXenu

        I’d rather see them on a wall of a reproduction of The Hole, just for them. And not pictures or carvings. Them. We could call it The Hole of Shame.

    • baddog5623

      Well they were not local, so F em, we need the money. JK

    • DeElizabethan

      Maybe they put the fear of OSA in him.

  • ze moo

    When the Sheriff of the county “said something to the effect that he would rather have a child that is a Scientologist than a dead child.” Why is any investigator going stretch out their neck and look for crimes? You don’t need to postulate bribes, just a fool who thinks that any drug rehab is better then nothing. I hope that quote haunts him at the next election.

    The Georgia NarCONon insurance fraud should come to a conclusion soon. Let’s see how many individuals are charged. Simple corporate ‘guilt’ and fines won’t do the job, people have to held responsible for their actions. Then the FBI can take the info and check the other CON locations for their frauds….

    • Observer

      “… rather have a child that is a Scientologist than a dead child.” Yet after falling into the clutches of Scientology these children ARE dead, you corrupt yokel sheriff!

    • Gerard Plourde

      He could also be of the mindset that drug-addiction is a character flaw rather than a disease. There are still people out there who subscribe to this concept.

    • phronsie

      Is it possible this dude is a secret scientologist?

      • ze moo

        I would more suspect campaign ‘contributions’ and some ass kissing. CO$ is good at ass kissing. Then ass beatings, then ass kissing. Schizophrenia abounds….

      • Captain Howdy

        More like a secret sheriff.

      • 0tessa

        He is ‘made’ an ally. That’s how OSA works. They know so much about this guy, that he is trapped.

        • FistOfXenu

          Not to be confused with being made an Alley like Krustie

  • baddog5623

    Now that is not nice.

    • Observer

      Drugs are bad, unless you’re getting them from your “rehab” “counselors” in a NarCONon facility, then they’re okay.

  • California

    The school and academic year is rapidly approaching and given D.M.’s statement a few weeks ago about getting SCN into public/charter/private education, I think it is time to dust off the California Department of Education 2005 finding about Narconon Drug Education (not recommended for California public and charter schools …. the CDE has no say about the private education sector but many private schools here and abroad have used it to stop SCN/naive parents from inserting it into private schools curriculum) and keep an eye and ear open about Narconon Drug Education and other SCN programs from the schools. And the kids.

    It is time to stop all Narconon Drug Rehab programs, beginning here in the U.S. This is the year of Narconon’s demise.

    Blessings on all the friends and family who have lost loved ones to Narconon Drug Rehab programs. We know about those that died and were maimed (permanent vegetative state) within the programs…. we know next to nothing about those who attended, received NO drug rehabilitation treatment, left and then succumbed to their addictions. Drug addiction is hard to treat but my best guess is that Narconon’s post attendance stats are the worst of any program…….

    • N. Graham

      Good points. Think of all the drug rehab patients that went to Narconon and relapsed that could have gone to a rehab with real counseling and medical staff and been helped for real. Those kind of statistics can only be estimated but I bet it’s in the hundreds. People who could be living normal unaddicted lives that went to Narconon instead are now still addicted with the added detriment of an inclination to yell at ashtrays.

      • noseinabk

        And an empty wallet with huge debt to pay. How could most even afford to go to a proper rehab after that?

  • Captain Howdy

    Here’s Sheriff Joel making his infamous udderance. Actually, it sounds like he’s channeling Dubya, it sounds like he’s saying “I would rather have a live scientologist as a dead kid” to my ears.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vy-5Zbjl1U4

    • Observer

      Sorry, couldn’t resist. *snicker*

      • Captain Howdy

        Heh, glad somebody picked up on my brilliant pun. It’s true though, he does say “I would rather have a live scientologist as a dead kid”.

        • Observer

          He’s either a willful ignoramus or he’s been bought and paid for. Despicable either way.

          • tetloj

            Udderly reprehensible :p

  • 0tessa

    The Scientology doctrine emphasizes the ‘spiritual life’ or the ‘eternity of the thetan in the theta universe’.
    They don’t give a damn about the ‘real life’, that of you (your body), your familiy and/or friends.
    In fact it is a very medieval religion in that respect.
    (I’m not talking about the early Christians of the first and second century after Christ.)
    Scientology = Inquisition = Death.
    Everything is subordinate to the survival of the Holy Order of the Scientology Church.
    Everything that comes in it’s way will be sacrificed. OSA will see to that.
    It is a box of Pandora. It better be destroyed as soon as possible, before more young, beautiful children are abused and killed.

    • phronsie

      Funny you would write this; I was just thinking earlier that many in the Sea Org probably take a sort of martyr satisfaction in the privations, pains, and struggles they face, like the monks scourging and mortifying themselves in ages past. I was also remembering how, when the ICOC (my old church) sort of imploded a number of years ago, a number of us broke free (or “fell away”* as it was known) — some of us went to new churches, some of us (me and my friends) dropped out of religion completely, some of course stayed under the new (slowly devolving to the old) form, and some went right out and found some other all encompassing, controlling group to belong to and proselytize for (Amway, some group called Legacy (?), etc.). I can’t help believe that even if scientology implodes, there will be a number of people who will only scurry to find their next brainwashing overlord; I suspect that’s why the independent movement is proving enticing to a number who otherwise might have escaped fully.

      *ICOC members were strongly encouraged to have nothing to do with those who had “fallen away” (including family members and close friends) because, unlike the lost (anyone not a member of the ICOC), these people had denounced salvation, “having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with such people.” (2Tim3:5) Of course, you also had to be very careful spending time with the lost because they could be a bad influence and you could fall away! That’s why you usually studied or spent time with them in couples or groups of ICOC “disciples”….

      • 0tessa

        Religions and ideologies have since time immemorial used mind controlling techniques. The Roman Catholic Church invented the Inquisition. The French Revolution of 1789 ended that institution. It is crucial that people understand those techniques.
        Those who ‘need’ it apparently, well, they can’t be helped I’m afraid. But then the law should step in and make mind controlling techniques unlawful. Something like the prolonged confessional techniques of Scientology should absolutely be forbidden, especially when children are concerned.
        I think the Independent Scientologists movement is against the brainwashing and the control mechanisms, as far as I can see. If people want to believe in demons (they call them body thetans), that’s their free will. As long as it is free, no problem.
        The practices of religions and religious movements should be under tight control to prevent abuse of people.

        • FistOfXenu

          “The French Revolution of 1789 ended that institution” and replaced it with the guillotine

          Just saying.

          • Bury_The_Nuts

            “The French Revolution of 1789 ended that institution” and replaced it with the guillotine

            You gotta give them props for efficiency!

            • FistOfXenu

              Who needs props when you have a guillotine?

            • Lark Smith

              I was in France last year many of the churches have never been completely repaired, just the grand cathedrals. It was very effective.

            • Captain Howdy

              The guillotine is still considered by the supposed experts to be the most humane method of execution.

            • FistOfXenu

              Yup. That’s why they called it The Terror. I guess it’s all down to view point. If you look at it from in the crowd waiting for the next head to roll it’s different than if you’re waiting for your wagon ride from your cell to your execution. Personally I don’t know if the experts know enough to trust their opinion on that. I want a few words with an expert that’s tried them all out and can compare them for me. 😛

            • Captain Howdy

              LoL, well of course I didn’t mean psychologically humane. they all suck on that level. Even though they have come up with a new method of execution that involves nitrous oxide that kills in a matter of seconds and the victim dies in a state of euphoria. Both sides of the debate oppose this.

        • phronsie

          The independents may think they will start over anew and better, but I think, just like the ICOC, some things are just inherent in the system. You put old wine in new wine skins, you get your new shoes ruined when the the bag breaks and the wine runs out. The church tried to reform, but last I heard, our local church was pretty much back to the old ways. Scientology seems inherently vulnerable to abuses of power, psychological and financial duress, and a seclusion and secrecy that promotes abuse and cover-ups. But, like I came to realize, there are some people who desperately want a system to run their lives, no thinking, no responsibility for consequences. Like the frog in the parable, long as they’ve got a pot to sit in, they don’t care how hot the water is getting….

          • 0tessa

            Agree.

        • grundoon

          After the restoration of the Pope as the ruler of the Papal States after 1814, Roman Inquisition activity continued until the mid-19th century, notably in the well-publicised Mortara Affair (1858–1870). In 1908 the name of the Congregation became “The Sacred Congregation of the Holy Office”, which in 1965 further changed to “Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith”, as retained to the present day.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inquisition#Roman_Inquisition

          • 0tessa

            Yes, I am aware of that. After the French Revolution and the Napoleontic period, the Inquisition had a bit of a Renaissance in some areas. But it never was so oppressive and widely spread as in the Middle Ages. And, as far as I know, no more death sentences were passed. It would be interesting to read about the Mortara Affair again.

            Like the Guardian’s Office changed its name into Office of Special Affairs, so did the Inquisition change its name.

  • Michael Leonard Tilse
    • Bury_The_Nuts

      Oooh, Nancy was on point!
      Great job.

      • nancy

        thanks guys… wanted to stay focused, and feed back info Nicole has already aired.

        • FistOfXenu

          You were great. No fluff just accurate specific facts to keep listeners clear (sorry about that word but you were) about why the cult is dangerous and why their PR isn’t valid.

        • Captain Howdy

          You came across as being totally credible and sharp.

        • Robert Eckert

          You’re another candidate to do Shakespeare in 60 Seconds. I was impressed how many of the hot-button points you got to.

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74Jr7IhWJTs

          • nancy

            I’m glad Scientology gives me a reason to use all that Hubbard Professional Public Relations Training I did! Shakespeare in 60 seconds – how cool!

            • Poison Ivy

              Nancy, you rock! I guess Hubbard taught you a little something along the way, in spite of everything!

            • nancy

              Yes, but it’s only good in understanding how “they” think and operate…..

        • Ms. B. Haven

          Great job with such a short space of time to work with. I want to say thanks for mentioning Tony Orgega. I am hoping there will be a sharp increase in Bunkerites as a result. I think this is the best site “out on the fringes of the internet” to get accurate information, breaking news and intelligent (for the most part) commentary

          • Bury_The_Nuts

            I hope the internet is not flat…I don’t want to fall off.

            • FistOfXenu

              Don’t worry! The dragons’ll get you before that happens.

            • Captain Howdy

              No, FOX. The dragons are going to save us from the zombies.

              http://youtu.be/RWyeCEQmAG0

            • Bella Legosi

              You are all WRONG!

              Castiel shall raise us all from Perdition! PFFFT! Atheists! You have no respect for Team Nerd Angel do you!

              😛

            • Robert Eckert

              Nerd angel, nerd angel, will you be miiiine? My darling dear, I will love you all the tiiiime….

            • Bella Legosi

              😀 I love it!

            • Captain Howdy

              Daenerys and her dragons will kick Castiel’s male model ass soon as they’re done with the White Walkers.

              Wait..how old am I?

            • Bella Legosi

              As much as I like Dany, I must disagree with you. Dany is a dreamer and very naive! And those are quality’s that I know will come back to bite her in the ass! Martin has proved that characters with those qualities, never survive!
              You forced my hand in this display of uber fandom!
              *When you witness Castiel’s “true form”, your eyes are burned out of your skull!
              *He can raise your soul from the Pit of Hell, raise you from the dead, heal all wounds/injuries, as well as make you pass the fuck out with the touch of His finger.
              *Castiel can transport you through Time and Space in a twinkling of an eye.
              *He rebelled against all of Heaven and became human.
              *Castiel threw a Holy Molitov Cocktail at Michael the Arch Angel, while calling said Arch Angel, “Ass butt”; to which Lucifer blew him up in a manner similar to the True Death!
              *Castiel survived Lucifer giving him the “True Death”!
              *He broke open the door to Purgatory; which is filled with all monster “souls” and ate them; declaring himself God.
              *Castiel is utterly indifferent to sexual orientation!
              *Has killed hypocrit Reverends, power abusers!
              *Castiel once went to a liquer store…….and he drank it!
              *He can transport you into the mind of another!
              *Is responsible for the deaths of Arch Angel Raphael and Uriel
              *Can kill demons with a palm to the face!
              *Has an affair with a Demon named Meg
              *Is prolly the ONLY Angel who has watched porn and pondered it logic “It’s very complex; If the Pizza Man truly loves the Babysitter…..why is he slapping her rear? Perhaps she has done something wrong!”
              *Castiel is immune to everything but an Angel Blade; you an shoot, stab, attempt to burn and he comes out without a scratch! Cuz he is a Warrior of God!
              *He helped stop the fucking Apocolypse!
              *Has been resurrected 2 damn times! Killed by Lucifer, Leviathan!
              *Can take unto himself memories of being locked up in a cage with Lucifer and Michael for a year, driving himself to insanity, cuz that is how this cool motherfucker rolls!

              **Castiel DESTROYS the Church of $cientology AND burns a “publishing house”; marking the “largest loss in motivational speaker history” (Season 7, episode 1 “Meet the New Boss)!

              So, tell me again what some hot, naive, semi-magical chick with ONLY 3 dragons has on this cool ass motherfucker??

              *Hint: nothing you say will ever make me doubt in my Angel of the Lord, Angel of Thursday, Warrior of God, Fallen Angel……Castiel! Not to mention the guy who plays said Angel of the Lord ROCKS MY DAMN SOCKS!

              *sighs* I am not a fangirl/shipper for nothing you know!

            • FistOfXenu

              Well that’s a relief. I knew they must have a purpose but couldn’t think what.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Don’t worry about BTN. She’s part of the Night Watch, so she can handle dragons.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              It IS flat and it rides on the backs of 4 large elephants that fly through space.

              Oh sorry, wrong thing….

        • MissCandle

          I was impressed with your interview, Nancy. Thank you for speaking up. What a great forum for your comments (based on reality) to be heard — CNN no less. You were a credible interviewee and made several excellent points. Too bad the segment wasn’t longer or you have single-handedly taken down the entire cult! You looked good, you sounded good, and you made excelent points. Overall, I give you 5 stars out of 5. You are a brave woman, Nancy. Thank YOU.

          • nancy

            Thank you!!!

    • is that more than a minute where the following subheader is shown?

      “Sister says her issues began when asking about Shelley Miscavige”

      Ooooh. Counting down to brief, verifiable but without opportunity for interaction, viewing of Shelley Miscavige the unseen-for-years wife of David “he is NOT insane!” Miscavige.

    • Phil McKraken

      Great interview. I wish that when Nancy had said that Leah and Nicole had signed billion year contracts, that she would have mentioned how old they were at the time.

      Note to all exes and others doing media — always emphasize the crush recruitment, false promises, lack of education, living conditions, working conditions, pay, family separation and nutrition for Sea Org victims, but most importantly, talk about that so many of the recruits are CHILDREN who cannot sign legally enforceable contracts to start with.

    • nancy

      thanks michael

    • DeElizabethan

      Well being a little late to this party. Now i have had my ice cream and saw Nancy.
      Tks Michael and thanks Nancy.

  • JonathanRoberts

    Drug treatment/rehab est revenues of $34 Bil by 2014 an est 55% increase over 2005. There are over 11,000 facilities in the USA.

    Yet Federal & State legislators are not addressing this cash cow business. With that much money at stake it only stands to reason that their are those that will play or game the system. Not that it will do any thing however when was the last time you called the elected officials that represent you?…just an idea

    • Captain Howdy

      You do understand there is a sizable chunk of the electorate that wants to do away with federal regulations in general as well as a lot of governmental agencies to boot?

      • aquaclara

        Captain, can we move off the political digs? First, I don’t think it’s true, and then, too, I thought we were trying to keep the spitting matches out of here.

        • Captain Howdy

          Well, people keep calling for the government to do something about scientology. I just hope none of those people are the same people calling for a lot less government, because that would be kind of hypocritical, don’t you think? And I’ll leave it at that.

          • Couch_Incident

            I think I’d settle for them enforcing the laws on the books (unlike Sheriff Kerns).

            • 1subgenius

              Unfortunately, there are few laws in place.

            • Jon Hendry

              That would require funding and staffing the SEC properly, which Congress has made sure is impossible. (Aided by the revolving door between the financial industry and administrations of both parties.)

          • aquaclara

            The Dodd Frank Act is 848 pages. The CFPB has 20 new regulations (passed in
            2012) and approximately 21 so far this year, plus 11 proposed rules, each of
            them with multiples on multiples of added rules. Many people, including bankers, don’t disagree with the concept of the CFPB – the agency itself. But what most bankers are frustrated with is the extent of the regulations that makes running a bank more of an exercise in compliance than in helping customers and businesses, and having to reduce the number of bankers who work with customers to pay for the added compliance
            staff.

            Likewise,Health Care reform legislation is modestly estimated so far at 10,000 pages of
            regulations per the Washington Post, not counting mark-ups. Ask people if they want health care reform, and they’ve said yes. Ask people if they want to read 10,000 pages of documents spelling out what’s involved, and most people have declined the offer.

            I can like less regulations and also advocate for laws to protect patients in detox facilities AND the taxing of the Church of Scientology AND the destruction of Narconon. And it doesn’t make me a hypocrite.

            • Captain Howdy

              Gee. I thought you wanted to give this stuff a rest? If the repubs (and Bill Clinton) hadn’t repealed Glass–Steagall, the 2008 meltdown would have never happened. But like they say, deregulation is a bitch,

            • Jon Hendry

              “Many people, including bankers, don’t disagree with the concept of the CFPB – the agency itself. But what most bankers are frustrated with is the extent of the regulations that makes running a bank more of an exercise in compliance than in helping customers and businesses”

              IT SHOULD BE AN EXERCISE IN COMPLIANCE. Have you forgotten that their reckless *criminal* behavior immigrated most of the fucking world just a few years ago?

              And what banking *hasn’t* been about is “helping customers and businesses”. It’s been about getting fucking rich at the expense of people with real jobs.

              If bankers don’t want regulations, they should break their own institutions apart, spin off the casinos from the less-profitable retail banking side, and get their shit together. as it is, they want their companies to be massive ticking time bombs.

              You know what bankers want? A toothless CFPB that lets them keep on robbing you blind. Don’t be such a sucker. The bankers aren’t on your side.

        • Robert Eckert

          Captain’s post is very much on point. There is essentially zero chance of any federal regulation in the current political environment, and getting states to agree to anything is an uphill battle.

          • 1subgenius

            Agreed.

          • aquaclara

            Florida passed 268 laws last year; California, 745. There is room in this political
            environment (as in any other) to pass legislation at the federal or state level. My bets rest more on the state level. If a law can be passed to protect teenagers using tanning beds, then there is significant room, in my opinion, for something far more serious like reform and oversight of detox facilities.

            At the federal level, 74 new regulations are passed on average every day. The 112th
            Congress, which ended in January, passed 284 laws, 721 resolutions plus 391 other items still actively in committee, out of an average of about 10,000 items that came up. While lower than in prior sessions, it does NOT mean there is no chance of something passing.

            From firsthand experience, there have always been partisan politics. I don’t believe in “never.” The complication with the Church of Scientology has to do as much with the religious tag that they have been given, as well as their litigious nature. But in general, there is no shortage of regulation being passed, as you can see.

            • Jon Hendry

              I suspect a lot of those 268 “laws” passed in Florida were actually “laws” repealing regulations or constraining the activities of government. Whether they are growing government or shrinking it, it’s done by passing laws.

        • 1subgenius

          What was false about what he posted? Specifically.

          • aquaclara

            Well, I’m not even sure most Americans know how many agencies are even in the federal government.

            • 1subgenius

              They don’t but the statement was ” there is a sizable chunk of the electorate that wants to do away with most federal regulations in general as well as a lot of governmental agencies to boot.”
              This is a true statement.

      • That is absolutely true. However, that doesn’t mean we’re totally helpless to effect any sort of change, especially on the state level. Just gotta keep on.

  • baddog5623

    Response from Matt Holten about his daughter.

    Narconon Arrowhead 911 Calls To Sheriff
    Image | This entry was posted in Uncategorized and tagged 911 sheriff calls, david edgar love, narconon 911,narconon addiction treatment, narconon deaths, narconon exploitation, scientology disconnection policy, scientology narconon connection. Bookmark the permalink.

    Matt holten says:

    October 28, 2012 at 12:02 am

    These reports show that when my daughter Hillary was passing.There was a 3 hour window that is unexplained.They called and no show,3 hours later,they called again.What was going on between the 2 calls.Had to stop a 711 to get a doughnut and coffee.What was Narconon doing to my daughter in those 3 hours.I wish I was there,even if I was a fly on the wall.These shenanigans,seem to be routine at this place.We will get to the bottom of what went on during this 3 hour time frame.
    Matt Holten

    • aquaclara

      This is good posting, Baddog. I hadn’t seen these before.
      My ranting for whomever manages Pittsburg County. Are all the politicians on the take over there or is it just the sheriff that appears to be? Doesn’t anybody else wonder what’s wrong with all of this? What if these were your family members? FIX IT, Damn it.
      I’m sad and disgusted at this damn cult and all the harm it perpetrates. I’m stunned it is allowed to continue. But we all are, so that could have gone without saying. Too many tissues this week.

    • Bella Legosi

      So why hasn’t some lawyer started up some lawsuits against this Sheriff’s office??????

      Seriously, these guys are begging for………*sighs* nevermind don’t want to say it!

      Also, there should be a huge media blitz in this county when this “Sheriff” goes up for re election! Show everyone he is a cultie apologist who apparently aids or abed sexual assulters!

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        Because what is the gain for the Lawyers? Nada.
        Idealism has shitty returns….

        • Bella Legosi

          “People call me a dreamer, but I know I am not the only one!”

          I totally understand!

  • baddog5623

    Is Joel Kerns Narconon’s retrieval agent? He might as well work for OSA!

  • baddog5623

    Joel, what did you do about this?

    • Poison Ivy

      Where is OSHA?

      • Bella Legosi

        No shit!

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        Maybe even OSHA can’t go near a religious exemption!!!

        God, I really hope I was just being facetious…

        • Jon Hendry

          That link is an individual exemption for religious employees whose beliefs conflict with regulations that apply to the employer. It allows the employee to choose not to wear a safety helmet on a construction site. The employer won’t get in trouble for the employee’s religious choice, and won’t feel the need to fire the employee in order to avoid OSHA trouble.

          I think the relevant part of OSHA is this:

          Coverage of churches and special policy as to certain church activities -1975.4(c)(1)
          Churches. Churches or religious organizations, like charitable and non-profit organizations, are considered employers under the Act where they employ one or more persons in secular activities.

          As a matter of enforcement policy, the performance of, or participation in, religious services (as distinguished from secular or proprietary activities whether for charitable or religion-related purposes) will be regarded as not constituting employment under the Act. Any person, while performing religious services or participating in them in any degree is not regarded as an employer or employee under the Act, notwithstanding the fact that such person may be regarded as an employer or employee for other purposes – for example, giving or receiving remuneration in connection with the performance of religious services.

          1975.4(c)(2)
          Examples. Some examples of coverage of religious organizations as employers would be: A private hospital owned or operated by a religious organization; a private school or orphanage owned or operated by a religious organization; commercial establishments of religious organizations engaged in producing or selling products such as alcoholic beverages, bakery goods, religious goods, etc.; and administrative, executive, and other office personnel employed by religious organizations. Some examples of noncoverage in the case of religious organizations would be: Clergymen while performing or participating in religious services; and other participants in religious services; namely, choir masters, organists, other musicians, choir members, ushers, and the like.

    • GlibWog

      I worked in facilities for 30 years before I retired as an ” Evil Psych”… First Rule Always.. ALWAYS.. Once situation is quickly assessed.. ( What Happened? ) 911 Called Immediately if warranted ( such as this case) And Situation Controlled until they responded … Period.

  • baddog5623

    Joel Kerns say they are saving peoples lives even after all the calls like this one?

  • baddog5623

    Joel Kerns, did you ever find out why this guy was so afraid of Narconon? Let me guess, they were trying to save his life too…

  • MereCatWatcher

    Thanks to Tony and commenters for keeping the many reasons that Scientology needs to be shut down in it’s LRH derivative DM form — Narconon abuses, where is Shelley, disconnection, physical violence, holding people against their will, Orwellian mind control, corrupt politics… in front of the people who care and in front of the media.

  • aquaclara

    For the Murphy family, I am so sorry for your loss. I didn’t know Stacy before, but I wanted to take a moment to tell you how much she has touched so many, many people. We remember her now in what would have been her 21st year.
    There are so many truly great people like Colin and Luke and Gary, Eric, Mary, California, The Georgia people and Oklahoma people, Tony, the Reaching For The Tipping Pointers and all the others, working to both find the answers, and get Narconon shut down permanently.
    This should never have been allowed to happen. God willing, it will never happen again, so that you will have peace once again.
    Rest in peace, Stacy.

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      And David Love.

      • aquaclara

        IKES – how could I miss that. I edited. See – this is why we need you here!!!!
        Thanks!

  • TheWidowDenk

    This is so frustrating! If you set up a facility to get folks off drugs and keep them off drugs, then that’s what you do. You clean them up and ensure they’ll stay clean, so they can go live their life. You don’t send them out of the facility in a body bag. When that happens, you investigate. If other things come up in the course of investigation, such as insurance and credit card fraud, you further investigate. What’s the problem?

    • Ian

      “If you set up a facility to get folks off drugs and keep them off drugs…” – there’s your answer. While that might be the shore story, the accusation is that Narconon had pretty negligable interest in their client’s welfare, let alone their long term prognosis.

      I guess there probably are quite a few people working for Narconon who do care, deeply (I guess so because I’m an optimist about human nature, at core). But institutionally, there seems to be no evidence that the organization exists for the benefit of its clients, and worse: there seems to be a moral hazard in the way it is set up that makes it difficult for employees to act in the best interest of clients.

      • TheWidowDenk

        I totally concur with your comment. But then, without an official investigation, it’s only speculation on our parts. It seems to me that if the facility takes in (how much is it?) $30,000? promising drug rehabilitation, the facility had best not be sending out the client in a body bag. There’s something extremely wrong with that!

        If, by chance, any of the Murphy family is reading this blog, specifically my comments, rest assured I feel the utmost compassion for this travesty with Stacy. My comments are the hard, cold, facts. Yet I feel your extreme loss as I have experienced a similar loss. I also feel your betrayal by the facility you hoped would help your daughter.

  • So sad that the narCONon front for the criminal organisation known as the “church” of $cientology continues to be open and funneling money to the tax exempt parts of the Co$. (that’s what they’re all about – funneling money.)

    Gary Richardson sounds like he’s so far ahead of local law “enforcement” that it’s not funny.

    Here’s hoping that no more people have to die before narCONon is removed from the scene.

  • stateofcircle

    Got my tickets for the Wednesday show! Hope to see some of you there!

    • shasha40

      I am officially jealous! Please take my avatar with you , pictures, we want pictures! Before the after party …

    • Couch_Incident

      I can’t make it, but my Body Thetans will be there! Be forewarned – they’ll expect drinks afterwards!

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      We will be getting your review after? Eh?

    • sugarplumfairy

      Hey, how did you get tickets already? I tried this morning! It said they weren’t going on sale until 11:55 am.. Oh….. yeah, I just heard that.. Never mind..

    • Observer

      No, and I am green with envy!

    • Semper Phi

      I got my ticket! Can’t wait.

  • Sam Domingo

    Can’t look at this picture of Stacy without thinking ‘there but for the grace of God…’ Going to give my girls an extra hug tonight and re-double my efforts to do everything I can to help all the amazing people who have come into my life since leaving the Church of Scientology to end this travesty once and for all. The pointless, mind-numbing pain it causes people breaks my heart. <3 to everyone who cares enough to do something about it. We will win. And soon.

    • aquaclara

      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
      twenty-two up arrows for this!

  • Bradley Greenwood

    If that face doesn’t stir action, what will?! So young 🙁

    • FistOfXenu

      Wish I could agree. Then I remember Lisa. I still remember Lisa.

      • Lark Smith

        Has anyone collected data on the mortality rates in Scientology? What is the average life span of a scientologist receiving little to no healthcare? How many suicides among members and ex- members? How many deaths of people in their care?

        • Captain Howdy
          • Lark Smith

            Thanks Captain.

          • Lark Smith

            Okay, needed a break after that journey. Marty’s name comes up a couple of times in the commentaries – I think I now loathe him. If he was Mafiologisgts enforcer in the 80’s and 90’s his hands are so dirty they will never come clean. Even if he is just withholding information. Anyone with sympathy for Marty needs to take a look at that site. Truly horrifying “Scientology: it’s always worse than you think” rings very true.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              🙂
              Marty has exposed a LOT of horrors.

              With that said…..
              Oh, I am gonna bite a hole in my lip so deep I may bleed out…………..

          • TheWidowDenk

            Captain — I checked the list. Dr Denk’s info is not totally correct.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Rachel? can you elaborate?

            • TheWidowDenk

              The list states:

              “D for Eugene (Gene) Denk, MD, died of throat cancer in the 2000s; like Hubbard he was a smoker.”

              Should state:

              “D for Gene Denk, MD. Died of the effects of chemo and radiation to treat cancer in 2004. Primary site of cancer was the lung; it metastasized to the throat and was inoperable at that site. At the time of his death, the cancer was in remission. The effects of chemo and radiation could not be overcome.”

              Yes, Gene was a smoker. Interestingly enough, he had also been to the ship preceding all this disaster.

            • DeElizabethan

              My Husband died of non-hodgkins lympthoma and he was OT7 altho out of the grips of the cult for over 25 years and he didn’t smoke. The chemo and radiation took it’s toil too.
              There just seems to be a disproportion in cancer deaths within $cientology, plus other deaths.
              Very sorry for your loss Ms Denk and know what you must have gone through. <3

            • TheWidowDenk

              Thanks DeE. I didn’t up-arrow your comment as we are talking about unhappy stuff. I, too, am very sorry for your loss. Yes, indeed, you do know what I went through and visa versa.

              I’ve seen the listing “They Should Not Have Died” before. Yes, it’s hugely long. The difficulty I have is there’s nothing to compare it with, i.e. the mortality rate for another religious preference or even the general public mortality rate. It’s also a long-term list, covering many years. So while it looks horrendously bad, based on those factors I mention, it could be a quite “normal” mortality rate. I’d do the study but I really don’t know how to do such things.

              The other main issue I have is with the accuracy of the list. Dr Denk’s name was not “Eugene” and there was no accurate date of death. There was also an incorrect cause of death listed. While I can see someone(s) put a lot of work into compiling the list, inaccuracies can skew the information presented.

              Captain linked the list in response to a question by a new person on the blog. I’m not sure of the accuracy of the list nor any conclusion that can be drawn from it. That’s why I spoke up.

            • DeElizabethan

              I understand your concern. I too noticed an error on a list for my mate. Then I thought does it really matter what people think anyway. You care a lot about his legacy and I applaud you for your dedication, since he played an important role in history.
              Btw, I just give up votes if I like the posts, that’s all.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              I agree Rachel. there is also many duplicates and other suspect data on that list.I am not slamming the idea of it. SHIT…I WISH!!!!
              i think they were trying. But I think it is almost impossible to gather data that is not suspect because of the various influences.

          • tetloj

            F#@%

        • stateofcircle

          And don’t forget all of the cancer deaths. I know I’ve mentioned this before, but I am very interested in finding out how many lung cancer diagnoses there were in particular, from members that were involved in renovations of Cedar’s, the ship and any other building with asbestos in the 60’s, 70’s and 80’s. I personally suspect many of those can possibly be attributed to mesothelioma.

          • Lark Smith

            That would be a great research project for a Epidemiologist .

          • Bella Legosi

            I mentioned this some time ago and Chuck answered (Thank you by the way). But I wondered just how many SO came down with Mesotheleoma due to asbestos exposure.

        • That would be an excellent project.

          Scientologists also have incredibly high divorce rates.

          • stateofcircle

            Wait a minute…the marriage tech doesn’t work?? Blasphemy!

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          It would be nice to know the real stats on this stuff.
          The problem is getting the data.
          They make it virtually impossible with those quick cremations and the secrecy.

          It still makes me sick to think Annie Brokers sisters didn’t find out she had died until 6-7 months later.

          Or the fact they would audit someone on NOTS and when that doesn’t cure their cancer, hell…. just tell them to “end-cycle”.

          Psycho fucks!

          • Sidney18511

            BTN….it makes me sick to think that Rathbun hunted her down like a dog and JT flew his plane out there to pick her up and returned her to the COS prision where she would remain until her death.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Me too. And every time I think of Marty and feel sort of soft…..I hear him saying: She made her choice.

            • grundoon

              Was JT actually present, or did he merely put his 727 and pilot at Rathbun’s disposal trusting that it was for a good purpose?

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Hmmm good question grundoon. I have always assumed he made the plane (with Pilot) available.
              I did notice that whenever the story was described it referred to Johns plane….which drove that assumption…but then…well…You know….

            • Observer

              Well, isn’t this interesting … apparently Davey didn’t want the hoi polloi knowing about Travolta’s involvement. This is from Andre Tabayoyon’s affidavit:

              “At a briefing, Miscavige said that Marty Rathbun and another person from his staff had to hire a plane to retrieve a staff member who had fled (Annie Broeker).”

              http://www.xenu-directory.net/documents/tabayoyona19940305.html#34 , paragraph #56

          • shasha40

            “You’ll have to pry the data from numerous litigations ! “, said Scientology. The scary thing is, how many were truly classified correctly as even natural, illness, disease etc. You don’t believe in Science , so doctors are out. ( including the Wonderful advancements since , hell , I’ll give you the 1980’s ) You’re in bed with people that practice ” Fair Game “, through no fault other than naivete’ and caring for your fellow man. So they tell you they can cure you of any ailment, addiction, phobias, diseases and you believe. Then you die. I can’t think of anything more cruel, except when ” they” know it’s a Lie ….

          • Bella Legosi

            Fucking C R I M I N A L

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Absolutely!!!

        • N. Graham

          Not good I’m sure. That would be interesting.

        • dbloch7986

          Getting access to that kind of information is damn near impossible. Would be interesting to find out, but there’s no way you’re going to be able to find a registry of dead Scientologists.

          Most of us Exes can speak from experience when we say that Scientologists often die young due to a lack of preventative care. A lot of Scientologists die of cancer because often, by the time they catch it, it has progressed to far for them to be saved.

          Scientology encourages a mortal fear of health and mental health practitioners. So you can imagine if someone with Schizophrenia or BPD joined, they wouldn’t seek help. I’ve seen many Scientologists laugh off serious health conditions so they could minimize their own fear.

          It’s sad really.

          • DeElizabethan

            Yes it is sad Derek, and that’s why those of us who know all the dangers of this cult are doing something about it. Like yourself and speaking out. Luv U

      • Bradley Greenwood

        There is room for both.To Scientology, they were both disposable.

        • shasha40

          There should No longer be anymore room for the corruption of COS COB Tiny d*ck included.
          No more room for Narconon to kill !
          No more casualties of NarcoScion’s war on Good human beings .
          No more room for the silence of the thousands of people hurt, hurting and more hurting of humans by Scientology.
          No more room for any Organizations under the umbrella of Scientology and it’s Many tenticles !
          No more room for disconnecting…
          I could go on but, there is No More room …

          • shasha40

            I shasha40, approved this message. These are my own thoughts, from my own mind. Thank you Mr. Tony Ortega for having this space for us to express our feelings without judgement, reprimand or reprisals.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Sending a hug!

            • shasha40

              Thanks Bella, I needed that . We joke and have fun here , waiting for COS to go down . But then the stories of all the pain they have caused is so angering , and heartbreaking. I’m ready for today though, thanks to your hug! So right back at ya !

      • MissCandle

        Let’s remember Kaysie Werninck too.

        rockcenter.nbcnews.com/_…/13312825-families-qu…‎

        • FistOfXenu

          We should remember them all. I was just answering “if that face doesn’t stir action”. We’ve had a lot of faces of young alive people killed by the stupidity of Para$citology’s policies and actions. And I don’t know why but people out there who don’t know how bad this cult is just shake their head and move on to the next thing. Why don’t these stories wake up the whole country? This is a criminal organization in our country and around the world and it should outrage most people so much that they won’t put up with it. When politicians know we’re pissed off enough that they’ll lose elections because of $cientarCONon we’ll see results.

          But for Stacy’s another pretty face dead too soon.

  • Aslansown

    The funniest thing about that poster for the play is Tom’s teeth — they really captured what he looks like! 😀

    • Mark

      Try Googling “Tom Cruise teeth” and see what weird results come up. It might explain a lot about him.

      • Aslansown
      • Bella Legosi

        If I am not mistaken when you even google Tom Cruise, the teeth come up as a 2nd or 3rd search suggestion! At least on my end! I noticed that when I would post a great pic of him all tone 40 and bat guano……I have seen enough of his teeth on this site I need no to google it! lol

        • Mark

          But if you look at ‘searches related to “Tom Cruise teeth” ‘, you fetch up at “Holoprosencephaly”. (Cue theremin in background).Turns out there’s just a possibility that the oddly centre-incisored Mr. Mapother might have a different BRAIN compared to most people:

          • Captain Howdy

            Eeee gads Mark!

            Whatever you do folks, DO NOT do an image search for “Holoprosencephaly”

            Dam, that was worse than the Magnotta video.

            • Sherbet

              Now I’m wicked curious but too chicken to look.

            • Captain Howdy

              DON’T, unless you have a really strong stomach.

            • Sherbet

              I defer to your advice, Howdy. My stomach thanks you.

            • Observer

              I found it more heartbreaking than anything. But definitely not for the weak of stomach or faint of heart.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              DON’T sherbet. Not this time. Trust me.

            • Mark

              Sorry! I only got as far as the stuff on ‘Why We Protest’ and the top of the Wikipedia page before I got creeped out.

            • Captain Howdy

              It’ OK. I’m kinda use to that sort of stuff. But it was still gross, even though I feel really sorry for those kids

            • Bella Legosi

              Never tell Bella NOT to look something up! lol She considers that a dare! Kinda how she saw her first beheading video………which will never ever leave her mind and to which she will never ever watch anything like it again.

            • Observer

              Holoprosencephaly is one thing–executions are another. I have not even the faintest curiosity about anything like that. Violence in movies, video games, etc. doesn’t bother me in the least, but I can’t bear real violence.

            • dbloch7986

              Videos like that really put things in perspective.

            • Bella Legosi

              Yeah, like Captain mentioned about scarring……..also it is the closest to evil someone can get without actually being there.

            • Bella Legosi

              I can’t stomach real violence like I could when I was a teenager; who had just discovered internet gore. The beheading video (with sound) was the breaking point for me. I was no longer curious in the least after watching that. And I was told,”Hey, check this out” and shown the video.

              I usually drew a line when I was a teen to the gore my friends and I found on the net. My line was actual videos. For the longest time I wanted to be a profiler for the FBI, so I already had a morbid curiosity to violence and gore. But, looking back on it now that I am a little older, I have come to the conclusion that exposure to real hardcore violence and gore only serves to desensitize a person to those wrenched actions. And thankfully I never desensitized myself with what I have seen. I was just as repulsed by it then as I am now. Only difference being I am a bit more mature and intelligent and can and will say, “Fuck off with that shit!” when someone has the balls to show it to me. I have never been in war and have had little experience with violence in my family, for this I am extremely thankful. But, on the other hand seeing what I have has given me a lot more respect for those who have experienced the worst in human nature.

            • Observer

              My family *was* violent, which I’m sure explains my aversion to the real thing, and also the reason not-real violence doesn’t bother me.

            • Captain Howdy

              I saw the Berg and the Nepalese workers beheading videos, and the Nepal one was shot outside and the picture was really clear. That thing scared me for life. I promised myself I wouldn’t watch anything like that again, but the Magnotta vid got the better of my morbid curiosity and I was sorry for watching that also.

            • Bella Legosi

              The one I saw (I forgot the kid’s name) was the kid who was a journalist in Iraq; who was arrested and then released pretty much into the hands of fucked in the head terrorists. That may have been Berg…….For some reason I was thinking of Daniel Pearl

              *shudders* Scarred for life is the perfect expression for it. That cured me of internet gore.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              See, now why did you make me do that?
              And worse, ….why am I not in the least disturbed…..

          • Bury_The_Nuts

            Yes,…absent!

          • L. Wrong Hubturd

            In technical terms, we call that a “short circuit between the headphones”

  • baddog5623

    LOL

    • baddog5623

      Is he admitting that Narconon is Scientology?

    • Bella Legosi

      Oh how I wish I knew the ways of computer code and internet grafftti! Their site would ALWAYS look like that if I knew the “way”!

    • Sidney18511

      I just noticed the words on the bottom which says “where dreams go to die”. Not only does that describe NN, but it also describes scientology. “where dreams go to die”. Deep. Right to the heart deep.

    • media_lush

      I’ve been using your stuff [and the shoops here] on my just published blog update…. hope you like it http://scientologybollocks.blogspot.co.uk/2013/07/is-this-most-corrupted-sheriff-in.html

      • baddog5623

        Ahhh thank you

  • AnyOldName1

    BTW, the CNN videos are now online – Nancy Many’s interview is the 2nd one on the page (half way thru the article) – both videos are good:

    Leah Remini Leaves Church of Scientology
    http://newday.blogs.cnn.com/2013/07/19/leah-remini-leaves-church-of-scientology/

    • Bella Legosi

      Sweeeeet

  • Valerie Ross

    On Monday in this post, http://tonyortega.org/2013/07/15/scientologys-drug-rehab-fights-class-action-lawsuit-with-move-to-federal-court/

    Tony quotes the attorneys for Narconon GA

    First, the contract plainly shows that NNGA did not promise a “drug-free environment;” rather, it imposed rules of conduct and discipline on its students that were intended to promote a drug-free environment. That the Student Rules of Conduct state, for example, “[n]on-prescribed drugs and alcohol are forbidden to be brought into the Narconon facility,” indicates that, while the NNGA aspired to be a “drug-free environment,” NNGA was not insuring a “drug-free environment.”GA did not INSURE that drugs were not on their site.

    I am not sure is this was legal maneuvering on their part to state that their insurance coverage did not cover them for a drug free site or an MU between
    insure

    Verb
    Arrange for compensation in the event of damage to or loss of (property), or injury to or the death of (someone), in exchange for…: “the car is insured for loss or damage”
    Provide insurance coverage.

    and ensure

    Verb
    Make certain that (something) shall occur or be the case.
    Make certain of obtaining or providing (something).

    Either way its BS. They also probably will also try to argue that their contract {clearly} stated that no one insured/ensured that people weren’t going to,die as a result of this program. Every time I see Stacy’s photo, I want to ensure no one else gets any more false assurance from any {drug rehab} using Scn tech, no matter what their names.

    Has anyone besides me noticed the lack of OSA the last couple of days? What Tony is posting right now is stark unvarnished reality. I can’t make it through all the comments because its too real. And I can’t keep writing how I feel because my eyes are leaking for all those souls still held captive by this mess and the families of those people whose lives have been taken or damaged.

  • ThetaBara

    Wish I could be in NYC for the show. Come to the SF bay area, please!

    • Bella Legosi

      Come to Portland DAMN IT! And bring The Book of Mormon with you!

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        I’d show you my photos of the BOM, but I don’t want meatballs thrown at my head.

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          Here is a stupid story. When I lived in Utah and my Mother had sent me on a religious quest…again….Oh, by the way…did I say….AGAIN?
          I had to “word clear” the book of Mormon at one point.
          Disclaimer: It was UTAH PEOPLE….and Mom just wanted me out of the house so she could re-read Dianetics…Just one more fucking time…!!!!

          Anyhow…I was bored and got my hands on a spanish version of the book of mormon.
          I read the damn thing.
          Didn’t understand a word. (Ok, maybe a few and I got better as I went on)….

          But still. I think this is the epitome of passive aggressive teenage rebellion.

          Whateves!

          • Robert Eckert

            “All men have heard of the Mormon Bible, but few except the “elect” have seen it, or, at least, taken the trouble to read it. I brought away a copy from Salt Lake. The book is a curiosity to me, it is such a pretentious affair, and yet so “slow,” so sleepy; such an insipid mess of inspiration. It is chloroform in print. If Joseph Smith composed this book, the act was a miracle—keeping awake while he did it was, at any rate. If he, according to tradition, merely translated it from certain ancient and mysteriously-engraved plates of copper, which he declares he found under a stone, in an out-of-the-way locality, the work of translating was equally a miracle, for the same reason.

            The book seems to be merely a prosy detail of imaginary history, with the Old Testament for a model; followed by a tedious plagiarism of the New Testament. The author labored to give his words and phrases the quaint, old-fashioned sound and structure of our King James’s translation of the Scriptures; and the result is a mongrel—half modern glibness, and half ancient simplicity and gravity. The latter is awkward and constrained; the former natural, but grotesque by the contrast. Whenever he found his speech growing too modern—which was about every sentence or two—he ladled in a few such Scriptural phrases as “exceeding sore,” “and it came to pass,” etc., and made things satisfactory again. “And it came to pass” was his pet. If he had left that out, his Bible would have been only a pamphlet.” — Mark Twain

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Uh yeah…but it is still better in Spanish!

              It came to pass is the mormon version of ‘begat”

              Edit:with this said…I have actually been considering moving back to Southern Utah!

          • L. Wrong Hubturd

            He just wants to go to Orlando!

            • Anonolily

              I dated that fucker in tenth grade!

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              What!?!?! This guy? Or a guy just like the character?

            • Bella Legosi

              OMG I seriously want to see that!!!!!! Errrrrrrrr!!!!!

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              LOL funny from beginning to end. I got special tickets from a hook-up in the cast. Balcony, front row. Then we met him back stage after the show and took a tour around the theater. After the show, I walked a few streets over and took some picts of the Sci Center on 46th.

            • Bella Legosi

              🙁

              I am sooooooo green I could be Jell-O

  • Xique

    My condolences to the family of Stacy Dawn Murphy, one year later. I have a girl the same age as Stacy. There is no reason Stacy’s young life had to be sacrificed. She was sent there for help, and recovery, and received nothing of the sort. It’s crushing to see this beauty, this precious young girl’s photo. Breaks my heart.
    No more, Narconon! Please , no more!

  • Sherbet

    Today’s post is guaranteed to make the reader sad and furious at the same time. What a despicable organization narconon is.

    • shasha40

      Aha, plenty of that here today ! Feeling that horrible pix Tony had up of us the other day , with the flaming torches…to …see…lol

      • Sherbet

        I’m almost too disheartened to storm the castle, even if we could. It’s such a crushing feeling knowing that parents who had so much hope were robbed of their children. I’m not naive; I know that some people who end up in rehabs or detoxes have serious problems which have caused them to lie and steal from even their moms’ purses to feed their addictions. They’re not choir boys/girls by the time they’ve bounced in and out of rehabs. Some are tough and seemingly hopeless. But for any of these people to be treated as less than human, identified merely as the amount of money on an invoice, it all makes me sick. As I’ve said before, I have some experience with a loved one going through rehab. That first night, knowing that family member was finally safe and off the streets, is precious. In narconon, there is no safety.

        • shasha40

          I’ve been in the medical field for years , you don’t have to be a choir boy to need or get help. We’re human ,we make mistakes, we’re curious . Treat the underlying cause, change environment etc. But with people that are properly trained for those needs and can anticipate and guide specifically. Basic safety precautions, and no one need die…Ever

        • Bella Legosi

          Amen! A lot of what I read about L Ron, Co$, makes me angry/sick to the point where I want to grab my pitchfork and torch to put down the monster…….but it is nothing compaired to the rage I feel knowing that this cult has been getting away with virtual murder (negligent homicide to be more precise)! These were not people who freely signed up to be spiritually enlightened! These were people who needed HELP! And what did they get? Fucking KOOL AID! That really is what did it for me, honestly and truly.

          • shasha40

            Amen , Bella !

        • Bella Legosi

          Amen! A lot of what I read about L Ron, Co$, makes me angry/sick to the point where I want to grab my pitchfork and torch to put down the monster…….but it is nothing compaired to the rage I feel knowing that this cult has been getting away with virtual murder (negligent homicide to be more precise)! These were not people who freely signed up to be spiritually enlightened! These were people who needed HELP! And what did they get? Fucking KOOL AID! That really is what did it for me, honestly and truly.

  • Richie

    Long time reader, first time poster. Good to be with you all.

    Yes, it seem as though the Sheriff is in COS’ pocket.

    “Forget it, Jake. It’s Oklahoma.”

    • Captain Howdy

      Welcome. Enter freely and of your own will.

    • Bella Legosi

      My Uncle was stationed in OK and he is disgusted when ever someone brings that state up. I believe his term is “Fucking ignorant redneck assholes”
      Not my words, my Uncle’s!

      • Missionary Kid

        Was he a native Eskimo?

        • Bella Legosi

          lol nope the Italian uncle!

          • Bury_The_Nuts

            Eskimo and Italian?…does not compute, does not compute…I am melting……

            Edit: You must have totally cute thighs with that background! (that was meant as a compliment)

            • Bella Legosi

              LOL cute thighs? Oh I do love you Bury! I measured my leg length once and they are only 26in! I am also Irish!

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              You sound nice and chewable.
              You act like it is a bad thing..LOL!
              26″? shit girl, that is DM length!

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              OK, two comments in two days about chewing on someone. I’m a little nervous…

            • EnthralledObserver

              C’mon, own up, who got into the bath salts?

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              🙂 You could be NEXT!!!

            • Bella Legosi

              I keep telling you all I am in the same height and weight class as the Little Tyrant! We of the Tiny But Crazy Tribe tend to be Napoleonic assholes, well at least the men folk!

          • Missionary Kid

            Grazie! Molto bene.

    • dbloch7986

      Welcome! The more the merrier!

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      Oohhh You get to stay forevuh just cuz of that cool AV.

      Srsly…welcome to the Thunderdome.

      • dbloch7986

        Two Scientologists enter, two Ex-Scientologists leave.

        • L. Wrong Hubturd

          Perfect!

        • Captain Howdy

          • L. Wrong Hubturd

            At least the size is accurate.

          • Observer

            I only wish I’d come up with that one …

        • Bella Legosi

          Very well put!

    • sugarplumfairy

      “What can I tell you, kid? You’re right. When you’re right, you’re right, and you’re right..”

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        You get an extra hug for that!

        • sugarplumfairy

          I’ll take it!

  • Bella Legosi

    Okay……back for a little bit……kinda got thrown in the fire this morning…….a client was dead when we went to administer insulin ;( first real death I have had to deal with ever in caregiving……he was a WWII vet who had served in France, Belgium, and Germany, Paratrooper…….kinda weird seeing as how I read this post about Stacy just before I clocked on……kept my composure tho. Other then that looking forward to reading the almost 300 posts you people have written while I have been working 😛

    • FistOfXenu

      Sorry Bella. It’s tough to lose some body you’re responsible for even though it wasn’t your fault. Just how it is. Be good to yourself.

      • Bella Legosi

        Oh I will FOX. I look at it this way………to get sucked into guilt or depression serves no one. I am there to provide care and companionship. They don’t need a care worker freak out or lose it on them, especially when or if they were close to the one who died. Someone has to stay strong and positive. Like I told Sid I am more of a private grieving person. Even though I didn’t get to know this guy before he passed I am still very saddened that this country lost a true patriot and that I didn’t get to know him first. But, this is a part of my job and am kinda glad it happened the first day. At least I know I can handle the situation. However, I don’t know how I will react when it comes time when someone I have been bonding with passes. I still think I will be able to cope until I get home. I just have to remind myself that I am there for them and shouldn’t add to any depression they may feel. I have a great support system with my family and friends, so I think I may be able to stay strong and then come home and destress or grieve in my own way!

        Thank you all by the way for the great comments!

    • Sidney18511

      Oh Bella. It’s not your week. First the sparrow then this WWII vet. And they say that things tend to happen in threes.

      • Bella Legosi

        No, but unfortunatly this is a part of my job. Thankfully I can keep my composure and I tend to grieve in private. I tend to think of others, especially in the setting I am working in. A lot of them are well into old age and shouldn’t have a care worker lose it. It’s just a reminder of how close they are to death. I don’t want to add to that depression. I am more of a celebrate life person and try my hardest to keep that attitude!

        • Observer

          I hope I have someone like you taking care of me in my old age, which isn’t all that far off. Mr. Observer is younger than I am, but he’s been a cranky old man since he was in his 20s so I don’t know how much use he’ll be. *snicker*

          • stateofcircle

            You feisty little cougar, you!

          • Bella Legosi

            Shit I hope I have someone like me to take care of myself when I get that old! lol If not I am gonna make them work for their money! They are gonna have to say, “You gotta watch that lady! She brings all sorts of animals in the home, she names them all, she tries to get in the med box, and when you call her on her shit she acts like she doesn’t remember! But you know she does!” or something like it!

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          Bella, I worked for 48 hours in an disabled/elder care facility in the early 80’s.
          I had to give this poor old guy a shower (while in his wheelchair). He had had a stroke and could not speak to me. But his eyes made me understand how embarrassed he was by this. I can still remember his sweet face smiling at me.
          He said thank you with his eyes…and I wept something fierce….
          It is still one of the most horrible things I have witnessed in my life.

          I salute you for your courage.

          • Bella Legosi

            I had a similar experience when I worked at the mental illness foster home. One of our clients was catatonic w/ Parkinson’s. He hardly was able to speak. When I began showering him he couldn’t speak to me about the embarrassment either (also I have a strong suspicion his prior caregiver sexually abused him). He began to cry. I really almost broke down like you did Bury. I let a few tears loose and told him to never ever feel embarrassed because he couldn’t care for himself, that that was the reason I was there and that he deserved to be treated like a king. After that he never cried or let on he was embarrassed to me again. In fact when I was caring for him he began to speak more, even his doctors noticed the difference. When I left that place, I really regretted leaving him there.

    • Mark

      Congrats on getting a job, even if it was a baptism of fire.

      • Bella Legosi

        Thank you very much Mark! It is appreciated!

    • Robert Eckert

      Recently on my block we lost a WWII vet, with the 101st Airborne from Normandy to Bastogne. At a block party someone made the mistake of asking if he ever got together with his unit and he said “They all died”. But he told a couple funny stories on himself: one how at first he pronounced the name of that town like bass-DOG-knee, until he was corrected, and then a worse mispronunciation, when he took a German prisoner and shouted at him a phrase he thought he’d learned, Ha:nde hoch oder ich scheisse! which caused his prisoner to start laughing helplessly. It means “Hands up or I’ll shit!”

      • Observer

        Well, I now have something in common with a WWII German prisoner.

        Your neighbor sounds like he was a hoot. I’m glad he had neighbors who cared about him.

      • Bella Legosi

        lol……I was really let down once I saw the medals this guy had earned and the books he had! I really really enjoy stories of the “old days”. Although when it comes to those who have fought in any war I don’t bring up the subject; I let them bring it up and talk should they feel comfortable doing so, other then that I always tell them “Thank you” and show my gratitude. I don’t think many of my generation even have the gratitude or respect for Vets. Even ones that were in Vietnam. So, I do try. But, I was very disappointed I couldn’t get to know this man. He was very well loved.

        😀 Thank you for the story. That did bring my spirits up!

      • SP ‘Onage

        🙂

  • ze moo

    Leah Reminin’s ‘disconnection’ and the Kristie Ally kerfuffle have taken the internet by storm. Finally, something to stop lookups of Honey Boo Boo and Sasquatch. Most stories in newspapers and websites mention Tony Ortega and the bunker and many mention xenu.net. More and more people are being educated in the ways of Lroon and being inoculated against it.

    {I would hope voters of Oklahoma remember the investigative diligence of Sheriff Joe Kerns.}

  • dbloch7986

    https://vimeo.com/70640395

    Link to Nancy Many’s interview. The interviewer ends the conversation by saying, “Well it’s certainly bizarre…” I think she did a good job, but her points could have been stronger.

    I would have described disconnection as a religious ritual that the “Church of Scientology” enforces in order to save the souls of it’s members. Not a criticism though, just a personal preference!

    Thank you Nancy!

    I would have ripped the interviewer a new one. I think Nancy was very patient with him. The correct description of disconnection is incomprehensibly evil. The depraved indifference that Scientology’s management shows towards their fellow human beings is disgusting. I honestly rate that reporter 8 out of 10 on the douche-bag-o-meter for that statement.

    I think we need to start a movement, to save the poor kids who are being mercilessly preyed upon by the Church of Scientology.

    I’m so sorry to Stacy and her parents for what has happened. It’s even more reprehensible that the “Church” issued a vile statement devaluing the life of this poor girl by saying, “Well drug addicts die…it happens.” In so many words.

    • N. Graham

      Tx for the link Derek.

    • SP ‘Onage

      Outstanding interview.

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        She packed MEAT in every phrase. I was IMpresSED!!!

    • BosonStark

      I thought it was fine, but Nancy should use last names when talking about these people — “Lisa Marie Presley,” “Priscilla Presley,” “Nicole Remini, Leah’s sister.” The general public who are not clam watchers, wouldn’t know who “Lisa Marie” is from a hole in the head.

      • EnthralledObserver

        Actually, I beg to differ, Lisa Marie is sufficient. I’d be surprised if they were actually referring to ‘another’ Lisa Marie.

    • sugarplumfairy

      Chris Cuomo was the interviewer.. His brother is the governor of NY and his dad is the former governor of NY.. let’s hope he talks at family functions about how bizarre co$ is..

      • tetloj

        He looked like he was having trouble taking it all in. Nancy did a great job.

      • SandiCorrena

        He gets tongue tied sometimes but I think he’s a really good guy; I could see him studying up on the topic – I hope so!

  • Bella Legosi

    I gave my little neice an extra big hug today! Even though she is 2, I tell her, “Beware $cientology!” I figure if I use that repetitiveness that Co$ loves to employ, maybe one day when she is asked to do a “Free Stress Test” or Personality Test, her stomach will turn and she will tell them kindly to fuck off!

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      Maybe it won’t even be kind…
      Oh,even better…by the time she is old enough maybe the scourge is gone from our earth.

  • aquaclara

    Tony, you’re quoted in People! People magazine (subscriber copy) that landed today has Leah Remini’s story on the front cover, as one of three side headlines. Main story is Cory Monteith.
    And just saw a similar treatment on the front of In Touch at the grocery store checkout.

    • DeElizabethan

      Yes, went to a member’s outlet, saw it and read the whole thing. I was thrilled to see Tony’s name.

  • SandiCorrena

    I was just catching up at Mike Rinder’s blog and saw that “Stacy Francis” got busted by Radar Online for tweeting ugly about Nicole Remini. I never heard of Stacy Francis….so I googled. Alas she’s a lying liar who lies – more nasty CO$ness! Grrrrrr

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      Isn’t she the Y&R actress….Or whatever?

      • media_lush

        she’s the one who serenaded Cruise on the Freewinds…. X-Factor contestant or something… bit of a nutjob

        UPDATE… I really should read a few of the responses first…. tad pissed

    • Spackle Motion

      She was a contestant on one of those dumb singing contestant shows. She lied about her history throughout the show and tabloids such as Perez Hilton posted the truth about her at every turn.

      She’s also the horrid woman squealing like a stuck pig at Tom Cruise’s Birthday Party on board the Freewinds back in 2004. She was “singing” his hit songs….there are videos on YouTube if you really want to look at them.

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, now I remember!!!

        • SandiCorrena

          Essentially she is a Turd in the Birdbath! Yuck!

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        Spac…go approve new Rodeoites!!!!

        • Spackle Motion

          oh, ok….sorry, just got done with work. I’ll go there right now.

          • Bury_The_Nuts

            Thanks Deck!

            • Spackle Motion

              OKies. I sent out a few emails about names before I approve.

    • SP ‘Onage

      She’s a wannabe singing scientology star who never made it in the industry. She was on the X Factor, didn’t win and got into a fight with Whitney Houston just before she died, supposedly.

      She’s always looking for her 15 minutes of fame, so it doesn’t surprise me that her name popped up during this scientology celebrity scandal.

      We had a lot of fun (years ago) making fun of her at VV because she denied being a clam, yet she sang on the Freewinds asbestos ship for Tom Cruise’ s birthday. She’s definitely a bottom feeder.

  • Sister727

    This is the biggest piece of the puzzle from Colin Henderson that I believe has been severely overlooked by everyone…” I know the wheels of justice are slow, but not this damn slow! In my most humble opinion, there should be an “investigation” into the “investigations.”

    That just hit me like a big ass brick. If you want to bring down a drug cartel you don’t go after the addict, you climb and climb until you find the direct offender. In this situation we know who the direct offender is so what we ALL need to start majorly focusing on is how, after ALL that is being uncovered….who is protecting DM from so much as being questioned.

    • EnthralledObserver

      Agree… time for more of the ‘enabler’s’ names to become public and be held accountable. In the culture they are nurturing, they will surely throw each other under the bus until we finally see Der Midget’s short legs protruding from underneath, having no one else to blame.

    • Bella Legosi

      Totally in agreement! This isn’t some private investigation! Any allegations of abuse or neglect should prompt not only local and state investigations, but also investigations from DHS or at the very least Ombudsman!

  • Bella Legosi

    Update on Portland Outdoor Store: A second employee (who was interviewed on the local news on Monday) was followed home and attacked outside his apartment the night after the news story aired. The police are laying blame NOT on local downtown street kids, but “rogue warrior travelling” street kids; who come up for the summer and then leave towards winter and they doubt they will find the culprits behind these attacks. It is weird. The first attack happened at 2:30pm, broad daylight, and the reports said 2-3 were involved. Now the news is saying “a large group” is responsible.

    Thought you guys would like to know. As you may or may not know Portland Outdoor Store allowed Mark Bunker to film from their second floor window (which would have been perfect view of the entire thing). However, as soon as the $cilons found out, Mark was summarily searched for weapons and explosives.

    • EnthralledObserver

      Rather curious that both victims hail from the same store… and it’s involvement/connection to Scientology and Mark Bunker’s drama. Hmm… you can’t help but speculate, can you?

      • Bella Legosi

        Exactly, but I am very prone to conspiracy theory! I just saw the update on the 10pm news cycle.

        • Kitz

          That’s pretty much where my brain went, hence my question about when the ‘trouble’ with the kids began.

          • Bella Legosi

            I actually had you in mind when I saw the news story. Kinda why I posted the update!

            • Kitz

              Hahaha… Thanks! I don’t keep up with “local” news very much, and trying to navigate the Oregonian’s website can be a horror!

            • Bella Legosi

              lol yes yes it can! I don’t watch the news much these days! I caught this diddy last night watching the news with my dad. If I was thinking last night I would have linked the story thru KOIN or the local CBS,NBC affiliate.

            • Kitz

              No worries. KOIN’s site is usually not bad to find stuff on. I’ll go searching for it later this evening.

            • Kitz

              Found the story. One commenter is blaming the Silverado for attracting homeless kids. *shakes head*

        • Observer

          I’m the farthest thing from a conspiracy theorist, and that seems a bit off even to me.

          • Bella Legosi

            Thank you! Sometimes I wonder if the conspiracy theory kool aid still isn’t affecting my thought processes! But, really this story is very weird. It really is not like street kids to do actual violence to the business employees. They could have just thrown bricks or rocks into the display windows……causing the store to shut down while repairs are done, as well as costing that store a lot of money! Also the PPD wouldn’t be nearly as adiment looking for window breakers. I can guarantee you that PPD isn’t going to be nice to any street kid now that an old man and employee were physically attacked!

    • SP ‘Onage

      ” That’s the guy from the Portland Outdoor Store, and we’re doing this for our friend,” That’s what was said before he was attacked.

      It does make you wonder, who’s the friend?

      • Bella Legosi

        It truly does. The news is saying that the second employee attack was prolly retaliation for the guy going on the news to talk about the first attack. Makes me wonder if Co$ would pay some out of town street kids to beat an old man up. $cientology is always worse then you think! And I have known street kids and street kid culture…….this really does not fit for them. It only brings contempt and more police attention to them.

        Also when the news hit Monday the same news station stated that the store had previous problems with this group of street kids for a while now. But tonight they say basically they are transient?

        I could accept the possibility of street kids doing this, but the whole thing never sat right with me then or now!

      • Bella Legosi

        Also…..just remembered this; after the first attack it was reported that one street kid was taken into custody on unrelated warrants…….that could be the “friend”.

  • DodoTheLaser

    Dont Bring Me Down – Electric Light Orchestra

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RJPaj97H24

  • DodoTheLaser

    Hey, Isaac G, Gustavo D, Shawn M, Anthony K. – are you guys reading this?

  • CraftLass

    This week has been such a reminder of the perils of haphazardly applied law enforcement, coming here and reading Richardson’s update is like another splash of ice-cold water. The lack of investigation when Stacy first died is despicable. Really hope that OK voters are paying attention…

    It’s easy to “find nothing wrong” when you don’t look for anything at all. Grrrrrrrrrr

    On a happier note: Been traveling and too busy to comment again lately (though I should mention that everyone here really keeps me thinking and laughing even when I don’t jump in, which is priceless on the road, so thank you, all), but I just scored my tickets for “Bunker Night” at the TomKat Project.. Thanks for the heads-up and planning, Tony! Really looking forward to this. 🙂

  • The state of Oklahoma has blood on its hands for letting these torture camps set up shop in the state. And where are all the pissy Christians when you need them? Wouldn’t think they’d take too kindly to the Cult of Scientology operating in Jesus Country…

    All “faith-based” treatment is a joke at best and a death sentence at worst. Evidence-based therapies are required in all other areas of medicine; why is this religious hocus pocus accepted in addiction treatment? Guess drug addicts aren’t worthy of legitimate treatment even though addiction is classified as a life-threatening disease. Addicts are just expendable second-class citizens in the government’s eyes. Narconon is no better than the ex-gay brainwashing centers that attempt to convert gays to heterosexuality.

    Get religion out of medicine before more lives are lost.