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LEAK: Narconon’s Legal Affairs Director Admits No Scientific Basis for Advertised Success Rates

This smoking gun is particularly delicious.

This smoking gun is particularly redolent.

As smoking guns go, this one is high caliber and billowing.

Scientology’s drug rehab program, Narconon, is in serious trouble because of a series of patient deaths, government investigations, and civil lawsuits. And as we’ve pointed out numerous times, former Narconon employees and leaked documents have revealed that nearly every step of Narconon’s business model involves some sort of deception.

Now, another stunning disclosure. Former Narconon employee Eric Tenorio has turned over to the Underground Bunker a remarkable e-mail written by a Narconon International legal affairs officer who admits that “we do not have scientific evidence of” the 70 percent and higher rates of success that the rehab programs advertise.

In 2009, Tenorio was working at Narconon Freedom Treatment Center in Albion, Michigan when the facility became the subject of a Better Business Bureau complaint. As the center prepared a response to the complaint, Tenorio was one of several executives at the center who received copies of e-mails going back and forth between Freedom Center and Narconon International, the non-profit that oversees all Narconon facilities. (Narconon International in turn reports to the Association for Better Living and Education, which is staffed only by Scientology “Sea Org” officials.)

In the draft of its response to the BBB, Freedom Center’s officials referred to the 70 percent success rate that all Narconon centers advertise (some push it even higher — we’ve seen ads with claims of 90 percent success).

As we’ve pointed out before, these success rates are completely out of scale with more legitimate rehab programs, which typically advertise success rates closer to 25 percent.

Tenorio says that the Freedom Center’s draft response was shown to Claudia Arcabascio, Narconon International’s Legal Affairs Director. Here was her response (spelling mistakes in the original):

From: Claudia Arcabascio
Subject: Re: Wolverton BBB complaint and suggested response
To: XXXXXX
Cc: “PRODUCTION NNI” , “John Walser A/ED NN FC”
Date: Monday, January 12, 2009, 4:36 PM

Dear XXXXXX,

Thanks for sent me this. I don’t have a copy of the letter received from the BBB which makes difficult for me to see if the answer is appropiate.

However, I see the letter okay less than the comment of “hearsay”. It is a generality.

I cannot reach Helena today to review this. Instead, I recommend the following:

1. Correct the letter (more ARC in the letter and change the expression of “hearsay” for specifics and do not say that we have 70% success (we do not have scientific evidence of it).

2. Send a copy of the letter received from BBB to Mike Toth along with the proposed answer (corrected by you).

3. Get okay from the attorney

4. Send the letter (preferably by certified mail return receipt request). Check out this point with Mike Toth first.

If you send to Mike Toth the complete data, it should not take for him more than 10 minutes of his time.

Please let me know if you have any questions.

ML,

Claudia

We have emphasized the crucial passage — the Legal Affairs Director for the entire Narconon network admitting that there is no scientific basis for 70 percent success claims.

Claudia Arcabascio

Claudia Arcabascio

Last week, we sent a message to Arcabascio asking her about this e-mail. We have not received a reply.

This is only the latest in a string of damning revelations about Narconon that have emerged through civil litigation and through former employees. Former Narconon officials Luke Catton and Eric Tenorio — both of whom were featured first in stories at the Village Voice and here at the Underground Bunker — are providing explosive testimony about Narconon’s practices.

And both will be featured Friday night in an episode of NBC’s Rock Center. We expect that they’ll be talking about the formal complaints they made to the National Association of Forensic Counselors, which resulted in the NAFC permanently revoking the counseling certificates for Narconon Arrowhead CEO Gary Smith, former Narconon Georgia executive director Mary Rieser, and numerous other Narconon employees.

Catton and Tenorio told the NAFC that the counseling certificates had been obtained fraudulently. (The NAFC has not confirmed why the certificates were revoked, only that they had been taken away.)

Losing his professional certification could not have come at a worse time for Gary Smith. Three patient deaths at the Narconon Arrowhead facility and one at Narconon Georgia have prompted investigations and lawsuits, and a series of embarrassing disclosures about how Narconon operates…

— Generic websites that don’t reveal their connection to Scientology and Narconon pretend to give impartial advice about drug rehab programs, but actually push potential clients to Narconon centers for a 10 percent bounty, typically about $3,000 per client.

— Potential clients are not told about Narconon’s connection to Scientology, or that patients will not receive individualized drug counseling, but instead will go through the same training that beginning Scientology members do.

— Potential clients are told that medical personnel are on hand, but court records show that a medical director is appointed who initially screens clients but then rarely or never sets foot in the Narconon facility.

And now, there’s evidence of the deception behind one of Narconon’s more hard to believe claims — its success rates.

Eric Tenorio

Eric Tenorio

“It illustrates that they are continuing to lie to the public,” Tenorio tells us. “They’re lying just to get more people to come to the program, because they want the money. They want to do something that will set themselves apart from other rehabilitation programs, and claiming false success rates is the way to do it.”

Tenorio says his own experience confirms that the claimed success rates are bogus. “They don’t take into account all the people who don’t finish the program,” he says. “That’s been my experience, that more people don’t finish the program, or take multiple times to finish. And I’m not basing that on only one place. I worked at four of them.”

Tomorrow, a bill that would tighten regulation over Narconon’s flagship operation in Oklahoma will be heard by a committee in that state’s legislature. On Friday night, Catton and Tenorio will appear on NBC’s Rock Center. And we’re still waiting for news of state investigations underway in Oklahoma and Georgia. We’ll do our best to keep on top of all of these developments.

 

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JESSE PRINCE REVIEWS LAWRENCE WRIGHT

Former Scientologist Jesse Prince has written a remarkable review of Lawrence Wright’s book Going Clear: Scientology, Hollywood, & the Prison of Belief. Prince not only explains what sets Wright’s book apart, but also gives us a fascinating look at what it was like to be interviewed for it — particularly at a time when he was fighting cancer. Give it a read and let us know what you think.

 

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SMERSH Madness Champions Crowned!

On March 1, we announced our own take on brackets just for the fun of it. SMERSH Madness, we called it, and asked for your votes to determine who today is Scientology’s biggest nemesis — just as SMERSH was in the early 1970s (or so said L. Ron Hubbard at the time).

And here they are, the new SMERSH!

 
TobinChildsHubbardSMERSH[Illustration by Ellis Rosen]

Tobin and Childs should have won a Pulitzer for their amazing blockbuster 2009 series, “The Truth Rundown,” and in 2011 they followed it up with another major expose, “The Money Machine.” The first brought news of the culture of violence among Scientology’s highest ranks, the second revealed the depths of Scientology’s obsession for money. And they managed these investigations at a time when other newspapers were cutting back — they even had to deal with a name change, as the St. Petersburg Times became the Tampa Bay Times.

Here’s our full bracket to remind you how you voted. All in all, this was great fun, and we appreciate the steady voting throughout the tournament.

FullBracket

 

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Posted by Tony Ortega on April 1, 2013 at 07:00

 

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  • http://twitter.com/media_lush media_lush

    Kind of fitting that old school journalism won. (In the age of the Internet and all that)

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Damian-DeWitt/100000143081032 Damian DeWitt

      Tom and Joe are well deserving. I fear, however, that old school journalism is going to disappear in the next five years with the collapse of the newspaper industry.

      • mirele

        Which would be a shame. The world still needs these long-form journalism pieces.

        • BuryTheNuts2

          I think it is a shame that the printed newspaper and magazine is collapsing, but I also think the old school journalism can continue unabated on the internet.

          You are posting at a shining example of that.

          Plus, a lot of the long-form journalism pieces have managed to already make the leap in fine form.
          I love the fact that I now have instant access to things I could never imagine 15 years ago. Plus the archiving capabilites mean my library shelves are no longer under threat of collapse.
          The research capabilities of the internet are magical in their breadth and scope.

          • Missionary Kid

            Unfortunately, there’s also a lot of false crap and misinformation on the internet, and there are too many people that don’t look at sources.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Same can be said about ANY sources. Stupid is as stupid does.
              Example: Dianetics in the 50’s!
              Didn’t need the internet for that kinda misinformation.

            • Missionary Kid

              You’re right.
              The problem is, as I see it, that by mixing truth with lies, sources become credible to many people, especially those looking for simplistic solutions. The Communists were masters of it, and LRH simply borrowed their techniques.

            • stillgrace

              I think you might be preaching to the choir, Kid!

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Sounds like what our general press/media has turned into. But that started before the internet was widely used.

              Maybe I am a pendant over my news….but like Sargent Friday on Dragnet…I want the facts.
              I will do the opinion part on my own based on those facts.

            • villagedianne

              Well perhaps there is scientific evidence that Narconon will prevent kids from eating bark off a tree. (Dragnet reference, kids)

            • Poison Ivy

              No, Dianetics in the 50’s was FACT. Remember it was meticulously researched by LRH…until the cat ate his notes.

            • Captain Howdy

              I thought that all of Ron’s research papers were on one of his ships that mysteriously disappeared off of Bermuda back in the…

            • stillgrace

              That’s reasonable … most cats hate materials written by lrh … known fact.

            • Missionary Kid

              My scientific research verifies it.

          • stillgrace

            The internet has completely changed the lives of people who must perform research. I hope I never have to search through a box of magazines or see another roll of microfiche again!
            I bless the internet everyday. Oh … and thumb drives, too!!

            • Missionary Kid

              Unfortunately, I’ve seen electronic misquotes perpetrated on original sources. Some are intentional, and some unintentional.

            • stillgrace

              Smart people know about this. I’m personally always on my guard. Misquotes and manipulation can happen in print, too.

            • http://www.facebook.com/people/Robert-Eckert/100002715429426 Robert Eckert
            • Missionary Kid

              Perfect!

            • Poison Ivy

              I used to do a lot of that. Now I kind of forget how.

          • Poison Ivy

            Agreed, Bury. When I first came upon Tony at the Voice, that’s what I thought – “Finally, some real journalism on this!” I would not have known about Tobin and Childs had it not been for “Running Scared.” Alas, technology changes everything, and there is no shutting the lid on the Pandora’s box…but great journalists like Tobin & Childs, & Tony, & Sweeney, etc. etc. will always find a place for their voices to be heard.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Chuck-Beatty/1631176570 Chuck Beatty

      don’t forget, is took a long duration “group engram session” of a whole hell of a lot of ex members, being stirred to speak up, and all those ex members getting the language to even describe what they’d been through.

      No ex members blabbing equals no story told by media.

      It’s a co-group process, this telling of the low points in Scientology.

      Glad our media people came through! It wasn’t like falling off a log, this whole process, this getting the story told!

    • FLUNK_101

      Yes, it’s great that Tobin and Childs did so much damage with their newspaper reporting, even in this age of the Internet.

      Question: Who is JoJo Zawawi?
      I was  listening to her music.
      I remember people talking about her here on this blog.
      Isn’t Jojo Zawawi the self-appointed Scientology Policewoman of the Internet???
      Was she ever staff or Sea Org, or was she always s musician? What’s her story? What exactly does she do?

      • Midwest Mom

        Why don’t you ask your other sock, Bob? :)

        • sugarplumfairy

          boy, I missed you.. so glad you’re home at last..

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nejAZqdhBts&feature=youtube_gdata_player

          • Midwest Mom

            Thank you! I missed you, too! I didn’t recognize Donald Fagen from the photo! When did he start looking like Larry David?

            • sugarplumfairy

              I thought it was Stevie Wonder.. =)

            • DeElizabethan

              Yo Midwest Mom, so glad that Lent has finished and you are back. Missed your excellent presence, good will and humor.

            • Midwest Mom

              Thanks, Dee! :)

            • Freddie Hubbard

              Donald Fagen looks like a dentist!

          • John P.

            Great choice of song for the occasion (and one of my all time favorite SD songs — a retelling of The Odyssey but with cell phones and Ray-Bans).

            But the arrangement on the 1994 tour, which the above clip appears to be from, doesn’t do justice to the original arrangement. Dennis Chambers on drums that year just didn’t have the nice shuffle style of Keith Carlock who has been on tour with Donald & Walter since 2003. Chambers has done a lot of good work elsewhere in his career, but didn’t really mesh with the Steely Dan style the way Peter Erskine did in 1993, or Ricky Lawson in 1996-2000. The horn arrangements in the following version are also much less stilted. I think this one is from the 2011 tour because it appears to have Freddie Washington instead of Tom Barney on bass. Check this video out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiRnBGyFXHI. Production quality is not great, but the performance is much better. And Donald doesn’t look like Larry David in this one.

            • Freddie Hubbard

              I know Tom. He talked to me about the diffence between playing with a Dennis Chambers or a Ricky Lawson.

            • sugarplumfairy

              much better..

  • John P.

    I think I just figured out who Mary Reiser’s new roommate in the RPF is going to be. I bet Claudia Arcabasio is going to “disappear” for sec checking immediately, before she can be deposed in any of the wave of lawsuits that has been filed against Narconon. Great job on discovering and revealing the smoking gun, Eric!

    But Tony, I must point out a lapse in journalistic procedure that I hope does not cause the cult to “dead agent” you. You sent a request for comment to Claudia Arcabasio, but what about sending an e-mail to invisible cult spokeswoman Karin Pouw? You didn’t say anywhere in the story that you asked her for clarification on this. You know how she gets when she misses an opportunity to label people “bitter defrocked apostates!” :-)

    • TonyOrtega

      As much fun as it is to fire off a request for comment to Karin (which will never get a reply), for Narconon stories I try to request information from Narconon officials since, they tell us, they are not part of the Church of Scientology.

      • John P.

        I understand, hence the smiley face at the end of my comment. But it sure is fun to think of Mullet Boy Sherman (who increasingly appears to be writing the screeds attributed to “Karin Pouw” these days bringing a request for comment to David Miscavige) and seeing if they get so worked up that they craft a reply that they think will “confront and shatter” one of those evil, suppressive reporters, temporarily forgetting that Narconon is not part of Scientology in any way, shape or form!

        • http://www.facebook.com/andrewr47 Andrew Robertson

          Narconon is a secular technology based on the advanced medical research of the gifted scientist L Ron Hubbard and has nothing to do with Scientology, which is an applied religious technology based on the advanced philosophical research of the gifted theologian L Ron Hubbard.

          But I am concerned about the future of the gifted public relations director Karin Pouw when her services to COB RTC are no longer deemed necessary. What occupation will she be suited to in her new life?

          I know, she could become a nurse, where her skills at dissimulation would be put to good use.

          “Now just roll up your sleeve. This won’t hurt at all.”

          Andrew

          • Missionary Kid

            Great sarcasm!

            • http://www.facebook.com/andrewr47 Andrew Robertson

              There are times when I wonder if some dark avenues of my mind should not be revealed in polite company, so perhaps the notion of Photoshopping an image of a defrocked Karin Pouw should be repressed.

              http://www.scientologynews.org/sites/default/files/karin-pouw-church-of-scientology-spokesperson.jpg

              Andrew

            • Missionary Kid

              Andrew, you didn’t even have to say that came out of the dark avenues, because I’d call it creative imagery. Why repress the thought? She’s perpetrating evil.

            • jensting

              I shouldn’t worry. David “he is NOT insane!” Miscavige does the defrocking personally, and I get the impression he prefers to defrock men…

          • sugarplumfairy

            The fine art of dissimulation is indeed a strategic nursing skill..

            “don’t worry.. I don’t think it’s contagious..”

            “oh yes, that is a pretty baby..”

            “sure I’ve seen a boil like that before..”

            “it’s ok.. I’ve done this hundreds of times..”

            • BuryTheNuts2

              I want to see you if I ever need something lanced!
              It will make me feel better… even if I know your lying!

            • sugarplumfairy

              For you, I’d use xylocaine first..

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Is that as good as, say…. heroin?

            • sugarplumfairy

              Just say no!

            • BuryTheNuts2

              OK.

            • Captain Howdy

              Thanks for reminding me.

          • Ze Moo

            Given her background I expect her to say ‘ turn your head and cough’.

          • Poison Ivy

            I think Karin Pouw may be MIA already. Who has seen her lately?

      • EnthralledObserver

        I would phrase the question as such: “Is Scienotlogy and David Miscavige feeling stupid yet for supporting and promoting a criminal and incompetent organisation?”

        • Missionary Kid

          The answer is no. He’s got too much hubris.

          • EnthralledObserver

            Indeed, but of course the question is rhetorical… we all know they will say ‘no’, when the real answer ought to be ‘yes’ if we were dealing with anyone who wasn’t a robot or a sociopath… 😉

            • Missionary Kid

              My opinion is that both robots and sociopaths are not self-aware, or, if they are, they don’t care as long as something is beneficial to them. :-)

    • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

      Yes, we in RTC can confirm that Mary and Claudia will soon be sharing a cramped space in the engine room of The Freewinds where they will work long days interspersed with gang bang Jo’Burg sec checks.

      Both of these troublemakers will be in the new RPF x 10, a spiritual rehabilitation program with a 965% success rate.

  • PreferToBeAnon2

    Eric, you should be proud of the way you are rattling their cage! Good work and keep on!

    And, I think John P is right, Arcabasio will be off to the RPF–but I suspect it will be out of the country.

    • jensting

      I wonder if ex-OSA people can shed light on the practise of shipping potentially embarassing witnesses out of the country. Angela Catt was shipped out of the country…

      http://www.lisafiles.com/police/supplements/1951.html page 2 of 4 “Catt stated she was immediately made to disappear by Church orders. Catt said the Office of Special Affairs
      ordered her and her husband out of the country within twenty four
      hours. Catt stated she was taken to Denmark so the Police could not
      interview her. Catt was told there was not enough evidence to extradite
      her from Denmark. Catt said this was done to thwart the investigation.”

  • whingeybingey

    Congratulations to the legendary Tobin and Childs on their newly crowned SMERSHness! I hope they will be accepting a fitting award at the next SP party!!

  • sharon brown

    Wow, their success rate Really isn’t that high? Go figure. April has the black PR , Upstating and it’s Only the first ! Tony, this Better not be an April fools joke , it would be too cruel ! lol, Have to say , Congrats to Tobin and Childs, keep up the Good work ! And, Jessie, So happy you’re doing waay Better now, loved your review of ” Going Clear” !

  • Scientia

    Isn’t there some sort of advertising standards authority in the US that protects against this sort of thing? Four years have passed since that admission and a quick Google search shows this bogus 70% success rate is still very much in use. Also, has NN ever had to defend this figure in court?

    • Missionary Kid

      No, there isn’t any advertising standards authority, but the fact that each facility uses the unsubstantiated claim, in spite of warned of its falsity, helps to make a case for fraud.

      Interestingly enough, if Arcabascio is not licensed to practice law in the U.S., this could make any claims of attorney-client privilege invalid and subject to examination by a court proceeding.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=661239103 Mimi Armagh Parrow

    The center in Albion is the one that I picked someone up from with the help of Tory! The young lady had atrocious reports from inside! Well done Eric!

  • Mary_McConnell

    Thanks for reporting this Tony. It’s such a joy for us at Reaching For The Tipping Point forum to have former staff members like Eric join us in helping expose Narconon and Scientology. Not everyone stands up in name, like Lucas Catton and Eric Tenorio have, and none are expected to because we all know how this cult works and not everyone can take the risks. But when someone does stand up in name, and then produces documents like Eric has, it’s like using an Uzi to blast away the lies. Eric says “This is just the beginning”. and he means it!

    Claudia Arcabascio. It’s a wonder they keep her on. She does not have a license to practice law in the USA but did have a foreign license at one time. Here is a good example of who she is. Regarding the Desmond case depositions, it is noted by RFTTP forum member named who ‘me? that:

    ‘In reading the depositions I have 2 general comments:
    1. The plaintiff attorneys showed extreme patience, persistence and professionalism in the NN and NN int employee depositions. Asking the questions over and over and pursuing the answer while getting non-answers had to have been the most frustrating thing to endure. I broke up when Claudia Arcabascio (director of legal affairs, NN int) started going on about a misundersood word she wanted to look up; then later when she did not understand the word “blow” and the attorney asked if she had heard of the book “Blown for Good”.
    2. Even Jamie Thompson who had little memory (due to heroine) of the night Patrick died had more comprehensible answers then the NN and NN int employees.’
    http://forum.reachingforthetippingpoint.net/index.php/topic,8408.msg25791.html#msg25791

    Dr Casal is another one putting his foot in his mouth:

    Narconon Debunked by its own Expert
    By Pete Combs WSB Radio News
    Narconon describes itself as an “alternative” drug and alcohol rehabilitation program that emphasizes communication, self-control and drug-free detoxification in accordance with the teachings of L. Ron Hubbard, the
    late science fiction writer and founder of the Church of Scientology.

    The program claims a “success rate” of up to 76-percent. But even the organization’s own expert court witness in the lawsuit filed by Patrick Desmond’s parents against Narconon of Georgia cast doubt on that figure.

    Speaking during a deposition in the case, Dr. Louis A. Casal was asked by plaintiff’s attorney Jeff Harris if he believe that 76-percent success ratio to be accurate. Below is part of that deposition:
    http://www.wsbradio.com/news/news/local/narconon-debunked-its-own-expert/nSQ3t/

    Arcabascio ansd Casal’s depositions and others from that case can be found here
    http://forum.reachingforthetippingpoint.net/index.php/topic,8408.msg25711.html#msg25711

    This is why internal documents are so important. These documents Eric is producing, and will continue to produce for the public to see, are greatly appreciated and will help in documenting the fraud Narconon perpetuates. Both Eric Tenorio and Luke Catton have been an great source of encouragement to other others, current and former staff and student and I enjoy receiving tips and documents from those who wish to remain anonymous because of this. Thanks for alerting the public to the latest of what Eric has. May this email help victims in their court cases prove the fraud.

    • Missionary Kid

      I take it that whatever advice that Claudia gave doesn’t fall under attorney-client privilege, and it makes her liable as a part of the whole criminal activity.

      • Poison Ivy

        “whatever advice that Claudia gave doesn’t fall under attorney-client privilege”…..conversely, anything she’s been told by CO$ doesn’t fall under that privilege either. Which means she could also turn state’s evidence with what she knows, to save herself. Hmmmm. Think about that, Claudia. I’m sure you’ve been privvy to a hell of a lot of secrets in your years..

        • Missionary Kid

          Good thought. In a criminal case, by turning states evidence, she might avoid going to jail.
          I’ll keep that thought in mind.

    • http://www.facebook.com/andrewr47 Andrew Robertson

      Great post, Mary. Eric and Luke deserve tremendous credit for their courageous stand against a vindictive and spiteful organization with a long history of harassing those who reveal and expose Scientology’s lies.

      Preying on those desperate to seek help for their children’s addition for the cynical purpose of financial gain is disgraceful and it’s only by revealing the inner workings of this evil group that change can be effected.

      I think there are some dedicated individuals working for Narconon who really care about helping others but are not aware of the true focus of its purpose. When they realize it, they leave, some quietly and others not!

      Andrew

    • jensting

      aaand thanks to you for putting those documents forward.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Gerard-Plourde/1127841398 Gerard Plourde

      If she’s not licensed to practice in any US jurisdiction she cannot give legal advice. Doing so would open her up to sanction for the unauthorized practice of law. Any writing she produces would not on its own be eligible for protection under attorney-client privilege.

    • villagedianne

      Maybe they keep Claudia Arcabascio on because they are running out of competent people.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Chuck-Beatty/1631176570 Chuck Beatty

    They really did deserve a Pulitzer! And am so glad all those people who talked, did talk, and made that story!

    And I really look forward to Jesse’s book, and after it’s out, in the years ahead, I hope one of the richer ex members could fund setting up some more detailed interviewing, by ex members of ex members, to flush out more history.

    There are so many details, so many other people have participated all through Scientology history, and there are so many other ex big and small cheezes who have been there at key moments in Scientology history, witnessing the low points.

    I’m so glad Jesse is still alive! Good on you Jesse Prince Junior (ha, didn’t know Jesse was a Jnr)! Telling it like it is!

    • InTheNameOfXenu

      I too can’t wait for Prince’s book on the last few years of ‘Dead L. Ron’, as he puts it. Jesse is an extraordinary human being. The type of cancer he contracted and survived from is very deadly. Some guardian angel is watching over him. Bless him and bless all who speak out against Hubbard’s evil cult.

  • 10oriocookies

    For me this isnt about revenge or hate or any such thing. This is about honesty. I was part of this hypocrisy for a long time and played the game right there with them. When I read about people dying and the attempts to cover up and not take responsibility I had to say “enough was enough”. I have a non-disclosure agreement and am still owed over $100k from these guys. I have two kids I am trying to raise to be honest and worthy of trust. How can I teach them anything with this shit hanging over my head? How can I look in the mirror knowing I can help 1 family make a decision based on truth rather than a lie and was not doing it? I said “Fuck the money, time to man up and tell the truth”. It’s the only way out of it for them and me. Every time I post something Im just one step closer to making all the wrong right again. If I can help one person from this than anything they do or try to do to me is worth it in my eyes. The church of scientology is no longer going to push people around, I am not afraid. They should be……

    • BuryTheNuts2

      Good for you Eric. I admire you!
      And you are giving your kids a Dad to be proud of.
      What a gift.

    • Sidney18511

      Your children will be proud of you for doing the right thing, just as we all are Eric.

    • Missionary Kid

      The Co$ thought they had a cash cow with NARCONCON, but hopefully you’re one of the key people to cut off this one head of the hydra-headed monster called Co$.

      By cutting off the lifeblood of Co$, which is money, you are helping to kill it.

      Thank you. Your children are blessed to have a parent like you.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Robert-Eckert/100002715429426 Robert Eckert

        Not just cut off the head, but burn the neck so it can’t sprout any more heads.

        • Missionary Kid

          AMEN!

    • Mary_McConnell

      Very proud of you, Eric. Thanks so much for doing the right thing.

    • EnthralledObserver

      Hero! *fangirlgush*

    • Observer

      Good on you, Eric! You are officially on my list of heroes. You’re not only doing the right thing, you’re doing the right thing for the right reasons.

      And because you’re dealing The Most Ethical People on the Planet, please be careful. I imagine there are some who want to do some extremely “ethical” things to you. I know you probably are already hypervigilant, but I feel better saying it.

    • jensting

      Thanks for stepping up to the challenge of overcoming what they did to you and what they made you do. You’re Doing The Right Thing[tm]

    • Sherbet

      10, I’ll be glad to check out the BBB writeups for any narconon that’s been in hot water. Do you have a list I could start with? (Arrowhead — done!) PS: Love your avatar: JT with hair.

    • AnonymousSP

      You woke up and are doing it right. Your kids are lucky to have you. The world too.

    • villagedianne

      I wonder if you can still get your money back. I know for instance that criminal acts are not covered under NDA’s. Any other ideas, Bunker fans?

      • 10oriocookies

        They are still paying for now, although they are late almost every month. It would be stupid to stop paying me now.

    • dwayners13

      The lesson your children are inheriting from you is far more valuable than any money you could ever give them. Furthermore, being able to look yourself in the mirror every morning, knowing you did the right thing is a feeling you don’t ever want to surrender . . . especially to an entity like the church of Scientology.

    • Poison Ivy

      God Bless you, Eric. Sometimes all it takes is for one person to stand up and say, “Hey, this is WRONG!” We have two in you and Luke – and you are changing things BIG TIME!

    • CoolHand

      One day a representative from Narconon will have to answer up to all of this. I’d certainly challenge anyone employed by them to bring their documents and we’ll bring ours and see who has proof of what! If they would simply start being honest then a lot of their problems would eventually go away. Of course that would never happen since there is such a heavy demand for $$$ and so all they can do is hide behind their lies, throw some pebbles and then take off running with their tales between their legs when the authorities finally act.

      • 10oriocookies

        Start of Rant:
        I have 0 reasons to lie, 100,000 reasons to shut up and let them continue. What can they say “Uhhh, we tried to pay him back but he wouldnt let us…”
        They cant say I was fired, I have a document thanking me for finishing my contract and wishing me well in the future. I have documents stating I could work at any Narconon on planet Earth (at the time). I have documents stating they were going to give me a license to start up another ABLE entity. I have documents….they can try and discredit me by saying what, I was a junkie and shouldnt be trusted. I’ll tell you that. By all means dont listen to me. All you have to do is read and understand their documents. What Narconon wont say is they lied to my wife telling her I was cheating on her to get her to divorce me. What they wont say is that they went behind my back and told a person who was taken off his position due to CRIMINAL ACTIVITIES that I was being asked to resign my position and then asked that same person to help find a replacement weeks before it happened and then had him come back on staff. I have documents for that too:) That’s Narconon and Scientology for you.
        End of Rant.

        • Midwest Mom

          Rant to your hearts content! You need to let it out – the more you do, the more your stress from over the years will lessen and most importantly, you can put your energy toward your goals and the many things that you want to accomplish. You are making a better life for yourself, your family and for others. Cheers to you, and to Luke, for all that you do! You both are top notch!

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Chuck-Beatty/1631176570 Chuck Beatty

          yes!!!

          And it would be good to copy those docs and send them first, as a batch, to Professor Kent, Univ of Alberta, here’s his email address, email him, and his Univ if one of the serious ones to collect Scientology history, so someday a big thanks ought go to Univ of Alberta and to Steve Kent.

          skent@ualberta.ca

          PS: Any ex members with important ongoing history, feel free to email Professor Kent. He mentors students doing papers on Scientology.

  • Missionary Kid

    As deserving as Tobin and Childs are of being crowned SMERSH Madness Champions, I’d like to point out that along the way of $cientology’s tortuous path that there have been many victims and heroes who have sacrificed much to slow down $cientology.

    Let us remember the following.

    There have been countless individuals who, upon realizing how evil $cientology is, took it upon themselves to defy the machinations of Co$ and point to the evil. Some of those were people who were never “in” or even had relatives or friends who were affected by LRH’s writings, but recognized evil.

    Others had friends and/or family who they lost to those nutty theories, some forever.

    Other people were once members who realized what evil was being done to them and left. There are those who found themselves crushed by the spawn, both written and organizational, of Hubbard, who were cast out because they dared question Co$, bankrupted, in fear for themselves, harassed, and left to pick up the pieces with threats from this malignant “church” and forced into silence. Some, in spite of this have chosen to speak up and point to the evil, in spite of the great personal cost.

    Finally, there are those who died because their spirit was crushed to the point that they followed the increasingly evil path laid out by LRH to their death.

    All, hopefully, in some way will have contributed to the end of $cientology.

    I salute them all.

    • Sidney18511

      Your right MK, there are hundreds of heros in this story.

  • California

    RE: Tobin and Childs

    Absolutely they should have been nominated and received the Pulitzer for their remarkable coverage.

    As should have Nanette Asimov of the San Francisco Chronicle for her 12 articles (June 9, 2004-March 2005) uncovering the fraudulent Narconon Drug Education program being pushed into San Francisco Unified School District and as many of California’s public and charter schools as possible during the Bush/Sec’y of Education Rod Paige/SCN’er John Danielson NCLB years. Her coverage (and other requests) persuaded the California Department of Education in evaluate Narconon Drug Education and refuse to recommend it for California public and charter schools. The great plan hatched by DM/ABLE/Bob Adams/SF Org’s Jeff Quiros and Karen deLise crashed. That evaluation has been used to great success over the years.

    What Tobin, Childs and Asimov did was to bring the deceit and cruelty fostered by SCN out into the general population…. not just the province of the ex’es, activists and others. The challenges presented by SCN are not just the challenges affecting a very few people, but rather challenges affecting a large number of people, including public education.

    With the changes in the oversight of substance abuse programs (from the federal level on down to the local level) by this time next year every Narconon rehab program should be defunct. And the law-suits, with their attendant disclosures, are again bringing into the public awareness exactly how bad these Narconon programs are…. including the deceptive come-ons in their Internet and hard copy print advertising.

    This coming Friday night will be popcorn time …….

  • Are_sics

    It’s astounding that this letter showed up and is so clear. Kudos, Tony! Various sock-puppets online have reported outcome statistics for both Narconon and Criminon, and when asked for any basic statistical parameters, have been unable to provide them. What was the statistical significance or type 1 error level? What was the size of the population studied? What was the attrition rate? Was there a control group?

    ANYTHING… and they never know. Fair enough, but they can’t even understand how it might be possible to look it up. No docs, nothing.

    Now there’s confirmation that it’s not because the sock-puppets are too uneducated to read a study, but what they might have figured out themselves, all along, there are no studies. There’s making chit up out of thin air. Source research methods, indeed!

  • EnthralledObserver

    omg… I couldn’t post lover the last several days – something about an “Invalid API key” = I did a restore but who knows if that’s going to fix it for good, I’m just barely tech enough to turn on and use basic programmes… :(

    • Missionary Kid

      At times I wonder if the evil side of computers and Co$ are linked, somehow, in the ether.

      • EnthralledObserver

        Quite likely… haha
        I have yet to check my fb account, I couldn’t post there either, nor at fanfiction – soooo frustrating! I nearly crawled under the blanket and didn’t come out!

        • Missionary Kid

          I’ve been dealing (not constantly) with confusers, as I call them, since the late 60s, and I know the feeling.

          A friend of mine had, as a screen saver, a picture of Bill Gates with horns and 666 inscribed on his forehead.

          • EnthralledObserver

            Uh huh… seems ridiculous that a technology worth so much, with so many working on it over the years, could be so fragile and unstable. How about the fruit… is Apple any better?

            • Missionary Kid

              Apple is more intuitive, and, by forcing everyone to use their methodology, more uniform and smoother. The cost is higher, and it isn’t as flexible on some levels.

              I’ve gotten so used to using the other technology that I’m much faster on my keyboard for editing what I write than the speed that any mouse can provide.

              I’m going to experiment with voice-activated transcription (Naturally Speaking). That should be faster than typing, but there is a learning curve with it that takes time.

            • John P.

              I’m with you, kid. I find much to hate about Windows, but it has not completely taken away the ability to touch-type without having to reach for the mouse. That’s critical for me as I am ruthless about efficiency and productivity in my computing environment (ask me about the four 23″ screens custom-mounted on my desk sometime).

              Naturally Speaking is a great way to get even more productive, as long as you are able to take a couple minutes and proofread what you dictate, since it’s about 98% accurate, which is pretty impressive in one dimension, but could still lead to a lot of embarrassment in other dimensions because invariably the mistakes that get through are pretty bizarre. So if you’re a careful proofreader and if you take the time to “train” the Naturally Speaking program, you will find it to help you a lot. I use it to take notes on boring conference calls — have the call on speaker with the mic muted, and dictate into my directional headset mic at the same time, so I can get a near transcript of what’s said.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Multi-screen productivity is a FACT man. Now I know you do it the same way I do!
              Go John P.

            • Missionary Kid

              I use the Control + XCV so much that I do it with my left hand alone. I also use it with the shift key to jump ahead or behind each word at a time, and I use it with the shift and arrow keys to highlight passages. I can cut and past in half the time that anyone can with a mouse.

              That doesn’t really make my writing any better, but it does make my editing faster.

              I’m fairly good as a proofreader, but the mistakes that do slip through can be whoppers. The bad thing about the ‘net is that one’s mistakes get spread quickly. The good thing is, one finds out about them right away.

            • Missionary Kid

              I wrote “cut and past” when I should have written, “cut and paste.”

              So much for editing. At least here, I get to edit my mistakes.

            • 1subgenius

              I’ve use Dragon products for over 10 years and can’t live without it.
              There’s a free version for Apple devices too.

            • PreferToBeAnon2

              1sub, been looking for the free version for Macs–any links?

            • 1subgenius

              No idea. I meant to say Apple mobile devices.

            • Observer

              I have used PCs with Microsoft operating systems (starting with MS DOS) since the early 80s and Macs since the mid-80s. As a result of my decades of experience with both I have only ever owned Macs.

            • Missionary Kid

              I go back to Apple DOS and CP/M on home computers, and before that, Fortran on mainframes using punch cards. UGH.

              When the Mac came out, I spent about an hour in the dealer, playing away and answering questions from people looking over my shoulder, until one asked me how much it cost. I said “I don’t know, you’ll have to ask one of the salesmen.” Compared to anything else, the Mac was intuitive to use, but I stuck with my Apple II+ because I couldn’t afford it.

            • Observer

              They were all ridiculously expensive back then. I want to post a pic of an old ad but at this level of response I don’t have the option. :-(

      • Observer

        Pretend this is a response to your later post about the expense of an early Mac. They were all ridiculous then.

        • Missionary Kid

          😉

        • BuryTheNuts2

          Ok, now I FEEL my actual age!

          • Observer

            I know … I turned 30 that year …

            • http://www.facebook.com/people/Robert-Eckert/100002715429426 Robert Eckert

              I turned 33. Those were the days, my friend…

            • Captain Howdy

              31

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Robert-Eckert/100002715429426 Robert Eckert

      It’s some kind of four-factor problem that gives the computer a psychosis and keeps you stuck in an electronic incident.

      • EnthralledObserver

        True dat.

  • http://twitter.com/Racnad Racnad

    Is there anything in Scientology that is backed up with scientific evidence? Even the name, the prefix derived from “science” and the suffix “ology” used in the names of many ligitimage sciences, is fraudulent.

    • BuryTheNuts2

      Hence the hilarity!

      • Missionary Kid

        And, unfortunately, the tears.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Robert-Eckert/100002715429426 Robert Eckert

      And “science” is a Latin root while “-ology” is a Greek suffix. Coiners of formal terms try to avoid that kind of mismatch.

      • Poison Ivy

        Latin, Greek, what does it matter, Robert? There are no nations, when everybody is really just a garden variety Thetan. LRH realized this during his many years of exhaustive and well-documented (but unfortunately all destroyed) research.

  • Sherbet

    On another note — I finally saw The Master and thought it was terrific. Costumes and atmosphere were right on the money for the era, and the acting was wonderful. Not sure how anyone without any sci-savvy would take it, but lots of the lunacy was intact for those in the know. I’m not usually a fan of PTA movies, although Boogie Nights was a gem and a little-known actor named Philip Seymour Hoffman showed that he would be someone to watch in the future. And, damn! he did not disappoint. What an actor!

    • Missionary Kid

      Hoffman is such a chameleon that when you go back and see some of his other films that he disappears and all you see is the character.

      • Sherbet

        You’re absolutely right. We don’t “see” him act, as we do with other big name and lauded actors. Tom Hanks is a personable guy, but he may as well wear a placard around his neck that says, “I am acting!”

        • Missionary Kid

          I disagree about Hanks. True, there are roles where one is very aware that it is Hanks, but he also takes chances in unexpected roles. Sometimes he succeeds, and sometimes he fails. His remake of The Ladykillers was a failure, because the original was so brilliant, but I give him a A for effort.

          I think he’s the modern equivalent of Jimmy Stuart and he also has the gift of bringing out the best in other actors

          • Sherbet

            Green Mile? GREEN MILE? The late and great Michael Clarke Duncan was the star of that movie. But I’m digressing. This blog is about scientology. I’ll leave the Hollywood stardom fan mags to MediaLush.

            • Missionary Kid

              MCD was great in The Whole Nine Yards, and even on Two and a Half Men. I miss him.

            • Sherbet

              Me, too, MK.

      • BuryTheNuts2

        I agree. Hoffman is one of my favorite actors. He is truly amazing.

    • Captain Howdy

      Hoffman is in one of my all-time favorite films, “Happiness” by Todd Solondz, but It’s a really “black” comedy and it you watch it don’t say I didn’t warn you.

      • Sherbet

        I’m brave. I just added it to my Netflix queue.

        • Captain Howdy

          Oh jeez..

          • Sherbet

            I’ll let you know if I’m horrified, but it’s unlikely.

  • BosonStark

    I think the issue of the supposedly independent referral services with people funneling people into Narconon, is much worse than the “success rate” wording, as is no real individualized counseling or on-premises medical attention or expertise in drug addiction, but rather Scientology training routines to do, to keep them busy.

    What is a success rate anyway? They could always say that it is 70% success in participants appearing to get off drugs, of the people who complete the program. If they relapse the following week, it’s out of Narconon’s hands. Of course, Scientology wants to imply it means 70% off drugs forever. That’s what they want people to think when they read that figure.

    Of course it isn’t scientific — nothing having to do with Scientology is unless you want to argue that mind control and money sucking is a science. “The tech works 100% of the time, if applied properly.” I think Narconon did undertake some sort of bogus study at one point, of having Narconon employees call participants, who would naturally tend to lie about their drug relapse anyway and/or the statistics were manipulated.

    • http://www.facebook.com/george.layton.756 George Layton

      Oh maybe the 70% is the people they recieved full payment from.

      • Observer

        That makes sense, since Scientology apparently considers financial “contributions” the sole measure of success.

      • BosonStark

        They have a 70% success rate of getting 100% of your money? Everyone should go through the Narconon program, whether they have a drug problem or not, just for the Scientology training, because they have a 70% success rate — at what, we don’t know. It’s whatever is true for you.

  • Sherbet

    “Do not say that we have 70% success (we do not have scientific evidence of it).”

    They don’t have scientific evidence of ANYTHING in narconon or in scientology, do they? They have a lot of anecdotal evidence, unsubstantiated testimonials, stupid theories, and outright lies, but whenever lrh or cos uses the term “scientific fact,” it’s another way of saying, “something else we just made up.”

    • Observer

      Blasphemer! Of course The Sainted Hubbard did research! Why, he developed Narconon after he tortured the secret treatment out of that tomato with alligator clips. If that’s not scientific research I don’t know what is!

      • Sherbet

        That’s right, Observer. If it looks like science, well, dammit, it IS science!

        • Observer

          Even if it looks like a lunatic glaring at a tomato, it’s science!

          • Sherbet

            You seem vaguely MST3Kesque, Observer 😉 The tomato picture reminds me of so many laboratory scenes, where the bots would intone “Science! Industry!”

            • Observer

              Drat! I’ve been unmasked!

            • Sherbet

              It was the brain in the dish that did it.

      • Poison Ivy

        Of course he did research. Like I said before, the cat ate his research. Every time. For years and years. Look, it happens. It can happen to any genius friend to mankind.

        • Sherbet

          Did I dream this, or did lrh once say his research was stored at Hiroshima, and, WOOPS! Somebody set me straight, because I can’t imagine that’s what he said. I mean, it’s certainly something he WOULD say, but I don’t want to misquote the madman.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Robert-Eckert/100002715429426 Robert Eckert

            That’s where the records of his travels in the Far East and meetings with all the great Buddhist teachers were kept.

            • Sherbet

              Is that what he said, Robert, or is my memory faulty?

            • Observer

              I have a vague memory of hearing that as well, Sherbet. Maybe it was Tokyo though. I’ve spent the past little while Googling it, and while I didn’t find anything about that, I did find this interesting bit of info about Hubbard’s racism toward the Japanese.

              http://www.solitarytrees.net/racism/japan.htm

            • Sherbet

              What a complete jackass lrh was. He probably thought he was quite witty with his crude insults.

    • jensting

      $cientology is a “religion” – remember? narCONon is a business, making a specific claim which relates directly to the product that they’re selling (expensively). If the legal adviser knows full well that there’s no basis for making the claim, that just underlines the simple fact that this is Organised Criminal Fraud. Not fraud by accident, but fraud by design and intention.

      Similar to (if more serious than) a car manufacturer who would be stupid enough to claim a 70 MPG gas milage for a car which only did 10 MPG. I don’t think a jury will have a hard time grasping the case for a full refund and damages thrown in on top to discourage the criminal organisation from pursuing this line of business.

      • Sherbet

        So far, narconon has managed to wriggle through the courts, but those days are over, one hopes.

    • Sidney18511

      Really now…how much difference can there be between “science fiction” and fictional science?

      • Sherbet

        Apparent, one pays a lot better than the other.

  • Observer

    I know this isn’t the point of the article, but shouldn’t a Legal Director of anything be able to spell and string together coherent sentences? What does “… I see the letter okay less than the comment of ‘hearsay'” even mean? I guess it’s that superior LRH “ability” at work.

    This news is like Christmas the day after Easter. The month of SMERSH was fairly quiet compared to BAMuary and FLAPuary (not as quiet as Davey would have liked, I suspect), but April is starting off with a bang. What should we call it? I haven’t yet had enough coffee to get my brain-hamster cranking the wheel in my head.

    • stillgrace

      I suggested ZAPril once, but always open to other suggestions.

    • Ciru

      I assumed English wasn’t their first language tbh. Maybe I’m too charitable though.

      • Observer

        It turns out you’re right … she was born in Italy.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      April’s Fools

  • Midwest Mom

    Response from Karin Kung Pouw to Tony:

    Mr. Orlando,

    It is annoying and unprofessional of you to to constantly barrage me with ridiculous questions for your silly blog. You tabloid hack journalists need to realize that I don’t answer to you. As the Irrational Spokespersona for the Church of Scientology, I find it aggravating to have to continually repeat that we don’t keep up with the Joneses; we ARE the Joneses! Please find room in your reactive brain to understand that we are better than all ya’lls!

    Why all of the questions, Orlando? Why are you fixated on the Church of Scientology? I had lunch with you once and now I can’t seem to shake you. Why is that? Still crushing over me? How would you like it if I sent YOU questions everyday for a response? Would you like that?

    For instance: Isn’t it true that you are the new Gorton’s Fisherman and that it is indeed your image on fish stick packages and all advertising for for Gorton’s products? Something’s fishy with this, Tony, and may I add that no, I don’t trust the Gorton’s fisherman, especially with your face on the packaging!

    Isn’t it also true that you and your bloggies have started a band called “Tony Orlando and Yawn”? (The name is fitting, though.) It will never compare to “Danny Sherman and The Silver Mullet Band”. Danny has gathered world famous musicians and vocalists to combine their talents and has formed a tribute band to rock to the tunes of Scientoligised versions of hits by Bob Seger, Leo Sayer, Slim Whitman, The Bee Gees and Justin Bieber, as well as original compositions by Danny Himself. His band’s hit songs, “Wherewithal” and “”If that isn’t enough” are top hits all over the world. Try to compete with that!

    Also, are you aware that most of your bloggies have drinking problems? 99.9% of your cyber-terrorist readers are unable to read your blog without spitting beverages all over their computer screens and keyboards (alcoholic beverages, we presume). Do you have a drinking problem, as well? Our sources say “yes”, and we believe them, after all, we’ve seen photographic evidence of you, John Screamy, Jonny “Jon Boat” Jacobsen, and a jacuzzi soaking woman named “Hole” (whom we suspect is in fact, druggie Courtney Love) drinking excessively and plotting to wet a newborn baby’s head with alcoholic beverages! It’s shocking, to say the least.

    I am not at your beck and call to answer your smershy questions, Mr. Orlando. Please stop pestering me! All of the the answers you will ever need to improve your life are provided at our website and at OTVIIIisgrrr8 clamstastic blog site.

    Sincerely,

    Karin Kung Pouw

    P.S. KA-POUW!!

    • sugarplumfairy

      Woohoo!! She’s back!!

    • TonyOrtega

      Now that’s a comeback. Thank goodness Lent is over.

      • Captain Howdy

        Praise the Lord!

        • Sherbet

          Even Howdy got religion over you, Mom!

          • Midwest Mom

            Amen!

      • Midwest Mom

        I wish I could quit you! You have created an addictive blog here, mister. It’s nice to be back here with you and my smershmallow peeps.

        I brought caek. It looks like you have enough ilk on hand to go with it. Perfect.

        I sure do appreciate all of the kind words from everyone. Lets partay! (Sorry about the slam dancing – I started out pogoing and got carried away!)

        • John P.

          Slam dancing in the Upper Peninsula? Perhaps the traditional music for slam dancing among Yoopers sounds like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JegjJrkweOo

        • stillgrace

          I wish Peggy Too would come back and party with us, also!

          • Captain Howdy

            Yes, I miss Peggy, Skip and Deckard Cain and possibly some others my drug addled brain can’t recall. Hell, I even miss Marco.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              My gosh, I am glad it is not just me that misses Marco!

            • Poison Ivy

              No patience for Marco, but I do miss Peggy and Deckard. Ah but you can check out of the Bunker but you can never leave!

              As for this line by Midwest Mom: “His band’s hit songs, “Wherewithal” and “”If that isn’t enough” are top hits all over the world. Try to compete with that!”

              Well, let’s just say I spit my NON-alcoholic beverage all over my keyboard. Tony should provide keyboard insurance for us.

            • stillgrace

              We haven’t seen Deckard Cain since Ziontologist insulted her. I hope she comes back, too.

            • Captain Howdy

              Not to defend Z/Flunk, because some of the animosity is deserved, but that’s not the reason DC left, and I don’t think that “Bob” is Z.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              I specifically remember saying I was going to hide behind Z the day Deckard left, because I was afraid DC and TO were going to start throwing chairs!

            • Sherbet

              You’re right, Howdy. The story behind the story is in the Rodeo. And I’m sure Bob isn’t Z.

            • FLUNK_101

              Rodeo is BS.
              There was a guy there called Claritysav who harassed me relentlessly. He even told me he was justified in doing so, because he was so sure that I wasn’t being honest or sincere.
              Then, he complimentedhimself and everyone else at Rodeo for being so “tolerant.”
              It was sickening.

            • Sherbet

              I seldom go there, but it’s sort of a Members Only version of the Bunker. You’re still likely to meet the same cast of characters there.

            • Sidney18511

              What is the rodeo?

            • BuryTheNuts2

              It is a google group Deckard Cain started as “spot for us to gather” when Tony O. left the VV.
              It was sort of a temporary stomping grounds until TO got the UB going.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              (whispers)….it got vewy, vewy quiet in here?
              I blame the Marcabians……..

            • Captain Howdy

              LOL

            • Midwest Mom

              Hello, Hello.! It’s good to be back! A song for you, Howdy, since you were so good during Lent!

              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DR2MHn_CFvM

              Crank it up!

            • Sherbet

              Mom, I think you stayed away ONLY so you’d earn this Welcome Back! party. Do ya feel the LOVE??!!

            • Midwest Mom

              I never imagined it, Sherb and I am incredibly surprised that so many people even noticed that I was gone! I needed a fortitude adjustment and needed to focus on some things at home.

              I was also fighting off Zombie’s. They weren’t very smart about plotting an attack here in the winter without dressing appropriately. Our winters are brutal -and so are my Ninja skilz!

              http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/12/zombie-warning-michigan-tv-alert-video_n_2671044.html

            • Sherbet

              Don’t you just hate zombie alerts…

            • Midwest Mom

              They are annoying! But then again, so are Zombies. 😉

            • BuryTheNuts2

              This type of outpouring of love for a conservative.
              Oh the irony!
              Where the hell is Skip to see this!!!
              BAAHHAAAA

            • Captain Howdy

              That’s a bingo!

            • sugarplumfairy

              I know!! Let’s hope she never runs for POTUS..

            • Midwest Mom

              I heard that!

            • Captain Howdy

              WTF? Now I think I’m being punked.

              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QD3dWCkP1ww

            • Midwest Mom

              ??Punked?? What ever do you mean, Captain Howdy?

            • Captain Howdy

              I know this song like it’s my second skin. I know this song even in it’s creepy Gary Glitter version.

            • Midwest Mom

              😉 Just call me “The Howdy Whisperer”. (And whisper while you say it.)

            • Sherbet

              I like that song, Mom, but I just wish I could remember the lyrics. Way too complicated.

            • stillgrace

              I’ll take your word on why DC isn’t here, since I don’t hang out at the rodeo. Maybe it all happened at about the same time. I have no opinion on whether or not Bob is Z.

            • FLUNK_101

              “Not to defend Z/Flunk, because done of the animosity is deserved …”

              For real, Captain Howdy? After all this time, that’s how you still see me?
              I think you’re a very intelligent cat. And you’ve made me laugh out loud many times, even when you were putting me down. 
              I like you, and I like this blog. But, very unfortunately, and from the very beginning, I’ve had to deal with people saying some very hurtful things to me. No one stops to think that these remarks actually make me feel very bad. And the times I got sick of it and lashed out at the trouble makers, I got called a trouble maker, not them.
              Oh well, I guess that’s life on Tony’s blog … have a good one, everybody!

            • Captain Howdy

              Easy squeezy. YOU and I have both overstepped the bounds of friendliness around here on more than one occasion. I love you like a brother, but we both have “issues”.

            • sugarplumfairy

              Bitch more.. Whine less..

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Or in my case….Wine more, bitch less!

            • DeElizabethan

              Luv it, BTN

            • DeElizabethan

              Perfect, Sugar.

            • FLUNK_101

              This blog is not about me, stillgrace. It’s about Scientology. I was a Scientologist once, and I am thankful that I have a place where I can speak my mind on the subject. Even if there are those who sometimes don’t understand where I’m coming from, it’s still a pleasure to speak my mind in an open forum, and I thank Mr Ortega for that.
              Sometimes I speak from my life experiences in Scientology, and sometimes you post cat memes. It’s all good. 
              And it’s always nice to see your smiling face!

            • stillgrace

              In the 18 months I’ve been following Tony, I posted two cat memes on one blog post. Should we contact “Guiness World Records”? It’s too late for the 2013 book, but maybe for 2014?

            • Missionary Kid

              Now, don’t get catty! 😉

            • stillgrace

              I just looked up the record, and I have a LONG way to go. I better get started now.

            • Missionary Kid

              I knew I could provoke a funny answer out of you. That looks kinda like Bucky the cat in Get Fuzzy.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Got any Calico’s? I like those.

            • stillgrace

              I’ll see what I can do for you. A moment may present itself.

            • stillgrace

              Just for you.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              I luvs!

            • Captain Howdy

              Back handed compliment or wut? And he wonders why. He’s our “Sid”.

            • stillgrace

              I’m busted. I am being mean back. I’m sorry and filled with remorse. But it wasn’t my fault! I had my taxes done today! It’s the IRS’s fault! They are responsible for my mean mood!

            • Captain Howdy

              Give as good as you get. That’s the Howdy difference!

            • Bella Legosi

              Hey Captain I have to ask……are you Linda Blaire’s demon (engram?) or cyber stalker/serial killer in Strangeland :) I have been wanting to ask.

            • Captain Howdy

              Linda Blair rocks my world 24/7/365 thanks to Red Kross. I offered junkie scum a $100 bucks to take me up to Spooky World to meet her.

              http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redd_Kross

            • Bella Legosi

              Thanks for the link….I am musically ignorant for the most part so that definately helped…..here’s to the Underground Bunker’s Merry Gang of Pranksters *downs double Wild Turkey*

            • Captain Howdy

              Download “Teen Babes From Monsanto” by Red Kross immediately. It will change your life…he said not necessarily meaning for the better.

            • Bella Legosi

              On it now….. 😀 freaking LOVE the name of the song btw….when I came across it on the wiki page my conspiratorial mind chuckled!

            • Captain Howdy

              Bella you’re named Bella and you drink wild turkey and apparently you were a freemason. You’re alright by me.

            • Bella Legosi

              lol well you know us Freemasons. I am actually the bastard spawn of Lenny Bruce and Dorothy Killgallen whose Immaculate Conception had to wait to bless this world until the 80’s :) Well at least that is what I believe is true…..so it MUST be true right? lol yes Wild Turkey 101 is my drink and when I do so I drink to my Dark Lord Cthulu, Saint Lenny, and Savior Dr. Hunter Thompson…..please don’t tell me HST was in to Dianetics…..it was enough for me to hear Jim Morrison was interested, not to mention the ties Oliver Stone has with some members.

            • sugarplumfairy

              you’re not mean.. ever..

            • FLUNK_101

              still grace started the shit today. She said Ziontologist insulted Deckard Cain. Besides being debatable, there was no need to bring it up.

            • stillgrace

              Why would something Ziontologist did upset you?

            • sugarplumfairy

              Flunk and Z are one and the same.. we can’t decide which one we love more.. I think I may be betrothed to Z.. Not sure..

            • stillgrace

              I confess … I knew that. I was just checking to see if HE was aware of his multiple personalities.

            • sugarplumfairy

              ahhhh, grasshopper… Actually, I’m not sure which one of us is grasshopper..

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Did you call Flunk “Our Sid”?

              Awwww, you really do love the guy!

            • Captain Howdy

              Johnny absolutely loved Sid. Watch “The Filth and the Fury” till the end.

            • FLUNK_101

              I’m trying to be as civil as I can. But that doesn’t mean I have to accept being treated in a way that is one-sided, and that ‘s putting it mildly. Give it up, Howdy. You crossed the line when you said I was “deserving of animosity.”

            • Midwest Mom

              I’ll bet the Bunker Catz are purring because of those cat memes. If the Bunker Catz aren’t happy, then noooooobody’s happy! Happy catz = A Happy world. Grace = Happiness. It’s a scientific fact, according to my researches. :)

            • sugarplumfairy

              I think I insulted her more than Z did.. the thing is, you need to be able to get as good as you give.. we’re all just here to learn and opine.. no hard feelings necessary..

            • stillgrace

              I agree with you. I somehow missed your insults. Must have been at the rodeo.

            • sugarplumfairy

              I don’t do the rodeo anymore.. I was only there until Tony got back online.. there’s only so many hours in a day..

            • FLUNK_101

              “..no hard feelings necesary.”

              Thank you SPF for your wisdom.
              I hope you had a Happy Easter.

            • Sherbet

              I miss the first three, but I draw the line at Marco. He got tedious. Same old, same old.

            • Captain Howdy

              The thing is that Marco has been a running joke on YT for quite some time know.

            • Sherbet

              Is that a microfiche, Howdy?

            • Captain Howdy

              I’m on a bender. Pray for me. : )

            • sugarplumfairy

              be good to your liver.. it loves you..

            • Sherbet

              I’ve been on an Easter pastry bender, but I’ve finally reached my limit. Hey, get straight. When the good news comes (narconon folds, scientology implodes), you have to be alert and aware of it, not snoring in a T station. And that’s the end of this intervention. The niacin will be in the mail. That will be $40,000, please.

            • sugarplumfairy

              Where are you? We miss you!

            • SP ‘Onage

              Yeah, clams trolls Marco and Mark Migila were pretty funny.

            • Bella Legosi

              I know. You, Deck, John P and Alonzo kept me here reading and posting my two cents whethere you want it or not lol and this blog is addicting…..thanks Tony….I love it when your blog *blows my mind 50ft outta itself*

            • Captain Howdy

              Thanks, but please don’t mention me in the same breath as JohnP or Alanzo. I’m an absurdist and that’s all I am. I’m a jokester who sometimes doesn’t know when to quit.

            • Bella Legosi

              And that’s why I love your words. Lenny Bruce once said something to the effect of, “You need a deviant.” It could never be more appropriate here at this blog.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Robert-Eckert/100002715429426 Robert Eckert
          • sugarplumfairy

            Lol.. Perfect..

        • Poison Ivy

          SOOOOO glad you’re back, Mom!

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Gerard-Plourde/1127841398 Gerard Plourde

          Glad you’re back. Happy Easter.

        • Captain Howdy

          I’m amazed you know there’s a difference between slam dancing (we called it skanking or thrashing) and pogoing. I shouldn’t be though, cuz you’re pretty amazing generally speaking.

          • Midwest Mom

            Awww…you are being so sweet. I was trying to put up a photo showing me dancing (in my college days) to prove that at times, I have been known to have the dance moves of Joey Ramone, but our scanner isn’t working for some reason. I look very punk in the picture wearing my cardigan sweater, Oxford cloth blouse and khakis :)

      • http://www.facebook.com/ToryMagoo44 Tory Christman

        LOL>>>>>>Excellent comeback! (and yes, for those who ‘do Lent’..thank Gawd it’s OVER–I remember it well, even though it was a skillion, yes, skillion years ago :) Tony—WOW! Look at ALL those peeps…all those horrific, terrible “SPs” (Per the phony “church” of $cientology–better known as the Church of Black PR and Disconnection now)…and it boiled down to Tobin and Childs! Congratulations to them!!

        PS: I still feel Gerry, and a few other early ones including Andreas) should get “Honorary Founding Critics” or s/t Awards) All in all, Congrats to Tobin and Childs for ALL the work they have done. And the same is true for EVERYONE who has helped expose this insidious organization pretending to be a “Church” Happy April! Tory/ Magoo

        • http://www.facebook.com/ToryMagoo44 Tory Christman

          PS: In celebration of the Ending of SMERSH on April 1…some other great news, too:

          The “church” of $cientology DOORS ARE CLOSED! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILecH7D5BBM

          • Captain Howdy

            Thanks for reminding me it’s April Fools Day and I blew it. I loled at the Turtlez shout out.

          • sugarplumfairy

            ahhhh.. wouldn’t it be loverly..

          • SP ‘Onage

            Please let this be true, but I think it’s a April Fools joke. :(

    • BuryTheNuts2

      Yee Haw! Welcome back!

    • Observer

      Yay!! MWM is back!

    • stillgrace

      Good to “see” you, Midwest Mom!!!

    • Missionary Kid

      I’m giving Midwest Mom my up arrow. It isn’t for Karin Pouw.

    • BuryTheNuts2

      a jacuzzi soaking woman named “Hole” (whom we suspect is in fact, druggie Courtney Love)

      God I can hardly wait till THDNE gets a load of this^^^.

    • SP ‘Onage

      Hey MWM you’re back!!! I knew you would come back after some R&R. 😉

    • jojo neal

      Hi mom! Missed you!

    • Sherbet

      Mom is back, and she’s been sharpening her snark. WB, Mom.

    • Sidney18511

      Welcome back MWM.! And if you ever, ever scare us like that again you will be grounded young lady.

      • Sherbet

        I don’t know what she was praying for during Lent — and I hope it was successful for her — but I know the Bunkerites have had 40 days of sending pleas heavenward to have MM come back.

    • hogarthian

      MWM! I’ve heard SO much about you! I love how Karin’s got so far up the bridge that her powers of perception have picked up on the fact that most (a lot? some?) of us are always ever so slightly pissed (aka – drunk). Nice to ‘meet’ you!

      • BuryTheNuts2

        Mom understands our drunkeness and even has her own good cocktail recipes like any self respecting Midwest Mom should have!

        (And dieting is seriously interfering with my practice of drinking and it is making me downright….er….sober!!!)

        Cheers hogarthian.

      • Midwest Mom

        I hope whatever you heard was good! Some people here consider me to be Kim O’Brien’s “evil twin”. (Actually, I’m starting that rumor!)

    • Chocolate Velvet

      Love it! LOL

    • ParticleMom

      Welcome back! You were missed. Next year, please give something else up for lent!

    • http://twitter.com/tetloj tetloj

      Mom’s back in the bunker; all’s right with the world

    • MO Mom

      Glad to see you back, fellow Mom!

    • dbloch7986

      Welcome back! I missed you!

      • Midwest Mom

        Thanks, Boo. You know that I’ve missed you, too! Sorry about nagging you to eat your vegetables. :)

        • dbloch7986

          Don’t ever apologize! Haha I’m glad that you care about me :)

    • John P.

      I fondly remember Danny Sherman and the Silver Mullet Band’s one attempt at a sentimental love ballad, “Notwithstanding the whole track 2-D implications, my tone scale got straight up and vertical when I saw you.”

      • FLUNK_101

        Whoa, JohnP! You’ve always made clever use of the Scientology jargon, but this is really made my day. Thanks for making me laugh.

        Flunk

      • Sherbet

        Wasn’t that on the flip side of “I Want to Hold Your Cans”?

        • BuryTheNuts2

          Sherbet, you deserve a special award for that one!

          • Sherbet

            I accept.

        • Freddie Hubbard

          The Beatles were funky as hell!

    • DMSTCC
    • q-bird

      Ah yes! The sun just broke out… at it’s a good good fine day – yay — Hi Mmom!!!
      ya done kilt me here with this post SP – by God, I laughed hearty here. Thank you for that.

      Yep truth… Midwest Mom is good to go. :-) !

    • stanrogers

      Karin Pouw is Emily Litella?

      • Missionary Kid

        Can’t be. She doesn’t say, “Never mind.”

  • CoolHand

    Clark Carr, President of Narconon International, also admits in his deposition for the Desmond case that they have no scientifically-valid evidence of their published success rates. It is a long and exhaustive read because he is full of double-speak and is highly argumentative, but Jeff Harris handled him well. http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-07-11-DepositionOfClarkCarr.pdf

    • 10oriocookies

      Good link. Al of their depositions are worth reading. Lots of good stuff.

      • Bella Legosi

        Depositions are always interesting especially ones involving Co$. When I was in school I would mention Angry Gay Popes video depositions to the teacher and class. My teacher who used to be a public defender thought I was being harsh on Ken Mox so she took a look herself. The next day came up to me and said, “Wow, saw those depo vids on youtube last night. You are right…creepy as hell.”

  • Ze Moo

    While Tobin and Childs have done excellent work in a dangerous place, they don’t match the 15+ year history of the Clam Bake. The Norwegian Troll and his many minions do the job day in and day out and there are no Pulitzers for web traffic and design and withstanding DOS and legal attacks.

    April will be an interesting month for NarCONon news. Georgia has several things going on like insurance fraud and drug dealing and Oklahoma may be actually regulating their rehabs. With Gary Smith moving (maybe moving) to the new NarCONon detox center the chase will begin again. You can run, but not hide from the internet. We are Skynet and the terminators rolled up into one.

    • jensting

      Plus Andreas does a mean protest in person when he’s so inclined :)

      • stillgrace

        I agree! A tough warrior with a cool head and benevolent heart. Glad he’s on our side.

    • Sidney18511

      Andreas was and always will be the shining star who lead the way in exposing the dangerous scam that is Scientology. His site was the first stop for many culties in doubt. He has helped thousands, and even though he lost to Tobin and Childs, he will always be the SMERSH champion to me. And I’m sure that DM feels the same way.

      • BosonStark

        Exactly, about DM and his failure to get Clambake off the first page of search results. AThe cult was supposed to rule the Web. Even with all their legal actions, and then bogus programs to drive web stats up, they were not able to do anything significant to Andreas — one lone typhoon on the web who was posting the truth about Scientology.

        Part of the treasure of his site, was to find links to Miller’s book, Cooper’s book and others.

        • Poison Ivy

          Failing to see the future of the Web was the beginning of the cult’s downfall, I’d wager.

    • BosonStark

      I feel like a bitter defrocked apostate voter for thinking of Andreas and Clambake much the way you do. Tobin and Childs were covering their beat, and following the tradition of some brave local reporters before them.

      Andreas forged new territory in being an ordinary person who stuck his neck out that far. Before Wiki, for years his site was there near the top of a search list for “Scientology” and that is a monumental accomplishment that probably saved thousands of people from getting involved. He had no organization to back him up and handle things for him.

      I’m not really bitter though. Just as a confluence of factors led to the popularity of Dianutty and rise of Scientology, there are now too many factors against them and Tobin and Childs introduced such damaging things in their article on Miscavige’s violence. The Money Machine was the other series that for me, brought together so much eye-opening, jaw-dropping detail of the money sucking.

      There should be a court ruling that requires anyone signing up for Scientology courses to have to read that full article first. Would anyone ever join if they knew Scientology, when talking with you, was also getting instructions from someone in an earpiece, who had researched your financial status and credit card history, to squeeze money out of you or string you out on credit? Or, that they would ask you for a $30,000 donation for Super Power in the taxi from the airport, the first time you come to Flag for courses?

      • Ze Moo

        Publishing their exposes in ‘Flags’ back yard must be nerve wracking, I do hope Tobin and Childs keep their pets safe. Their work has been exemplary and it reminds Clearwater/Tampa Bay of the craziness in their backyard.

        • Ms. B. Haven

          The expression in my neck-o-the-woods is ‘pissing in their backyard’. I was cheering for OCMB (and I voted for them as many times as I could) but Tobin & Childs are worthy victors. Keep loading up on diuretics…

        • DeElizabethan

          I’m sure Tobin and Childs have had a rough life with the scio after them for so many years. One thing is for sure — they basically “Cleared” Tampa Bay area in getting NO new meat, practically none, into the orgs and Flag. The battle continues but is much safer here as most people know the truth about them and are the laughing stock, tho some still fear, but they don’t go near.

  • BuryTheNuts2

    I totally want that “Gun” BBQ grill!

    • John P.

      Here’s how to find the creators of this impressive toy: http://www.scottrobertsweb.com/Smoking-Gun-BBQ-Grill-Creators-Found

    • SP ‘Onage

      I was thinking the same thing. What a conversation piece! It looks like a .357

    • MO Mom

      There is a fairly large competition BBQ circuit, where they have nifty toys like that, and really HUGE trailers with traveling BBQ pits. Fun to go see if you are in the area. BBQ is serious business around the KC area.

  • SP ‘Onage

    WHY IS NARCONON STILL OPEN? ಠ益ಠ

    • California

      Why, indeed?

    • BuryTheNuts2

      We are going to have a serious Narconon FAIL party on this blog in the near future.
      I can hardly wait!

  • AnonymousSP

    To the RPF with Claudia! She isn’t handing the truth about NarCONon at all. What a degraded being.

  • Captain Howdy

    When I clicked on my quick link to this site it kept taking me to yesterdays blog and when I click on the internet listing it does the same.

    • BuryTheNuts2

      I have been having the same problem lately.

    • stillgrace

      My version of the Bunker is often sans the header photo (?).

    • sugarplumfairy

      It’s the poor workman who blames his tools..

      =D

      • Captain Howdy

        The only person, place or thing I’m blaming around here is you.

        • sugarplumfairy

          Lol.. you’re unflappable.. and very wise..

          • Captain Howdy

            You were suppose to meekly say “what did I do?” and then I would yell, “APRIL FOOLS!”, sheesh

            • sugarplumfairy

              I had to word clear ‘meek..’

            • Captain Howdy

              How did I know that’s the one word you would have a m/u on ?

  • Ze Moo

    I am not sure who or what is behind World Outline, but a nice article on Scamatology.

    http://world-outline.com/2013/04/scientology-commercially-driven-religion-cult/

    • Sherbet

      Good article, ZeMoo.

    • SP ‘Onage

      This journalist is spot on. Thanks for the link.

      World Outline is a new media startup which aims to become one of the primary online world news websites today.

      Conceived and founded by a King’s College London student in January 2013, World Outline is dedicated to reporting the latest international developments via the growth of a diverse population of contributors and the development of a first-class editorial team.

      Still in its early stages, World Outline remains committed to accurate and timely world news for an audience not limited to academia, business and politics but all sections of society.

  • http://www.AlanzosBlog.com/ Alanzo

    I loved Jesse Prince’s review of Lawrence Wright’s “Going Clear”.

    I consider Jesse Prince a hero who left Int Base when Fair Game was at its height for critics who were trying to expose Scientology, and it is so good to see him doing well physically, and continuing to write and publish.

    A lot of people who are newly out from the Church have no idea who Jesse Prince is because of the revisionist history that the Church engages in for their members, and even the “disappearism” that Marty and Mike and other recent Int Base escapees continue to engage in from time to time. When you’ve spent so many decades fighting “SPs” from releasing the truth about L Ron Hubbard and how Scientology actually works, I guess old habits die hard.

    As a member of RTC at Int Base, hand-selected by L Ron Hubbard himself, Jesse Prince has a unique viewpoint on Scientology technology and its history, and his information is very important for “newly outs” to have so they can educate themselves on this religion that they spent so much time, money, and attention on.

    Here is a great page from Arnie Lerma’s website which documents Jesse’s history at the highest levels of the Church of Scientology, and some important conversations Jesse had back in the 90’s/early 2000s:

    http://www.lermanet.com/prince/

    Alanzo

    • 0tessa

      Is it known when Prince’s book ‘The Expert’ will come out?

      • DeElizabethan

        Another OT8, Geir Isene said he’s now writing a book that will make OSA fear.

        • mirele

          Geir’s a smart dude, and a former public. I’m looking forward to hearing about his experiences.

        • 0tessa

          Good news!

      • Missionary Kid

        Prince knows where a lot of the bodies are buried in the history of $cientology, but the books that Co$ fear most are the popular ones, since that brings exposure to them. Co$ fears truth the way that cockroaches fear a light being turned on.

        I’m looking forward to it. I hope he writes as well as his review of Wright’s book, but he does need an editor.

        Wright’s and Jenna’s books bring about negative publicity towards Co$.

        I’m hoping that Friday’s Rock Center boosts the sales of Luke’s (Lucas A. Catton to those of you looking for it) book, “Have You Told All?.”

        I’ve sent publicity to my last remaining contact in AA about Friday’s broadcast about NARCONON. I think he’ll pass it on.

    • Captain Howdy

      I have always thought that Jesse Prince was up there with David Mayo or the Broekers in the secrets to be spilled dept.

      • BuryTheNuts2

        Yeah, this is a book I am DYIN to read!

  • Missionary Kid

    Here is a cartoon that is the exact opposite of auditing.

    If you click on this on any other day but April 1, 2013, you’ll get a different cartoon.

    http://www.gocomics.com/nonsequitur

  • Captain Howdy

    Congratulations to Tom Tobin & Joe Childs for being selected by the Politburo to be the new heads of SMERSH

    Colonel Klebb would be here to pass the reins of power, but she is currently a non-person having defected to SPECTRE

    • Sherbet

      Plus, she wants to keep the shoes.

      • Captain Howdy

        Yes , we love the shoes also.

  • 1subgenius

    Someone may have posted this already, but the “Helena” referred to in the NN email is likely Helena Kobrin.

    • 10oriocookies

      It is.

  • Lurkness

    Looking at the Jesse materials at the Lerma links, along with the current banking issues in Cyprus, one wonders if DM and $cientology lost money there. Jesse said in 80’s DM moved lots of money there as part of ReOrg and efforts to drain funds out of CSC, which was then on the hook in Wollersheim litigation. JohnP how does this fit with your overseas cash horde analysis/theories?

    • Bella Legosi

      What I saw on BBC is that those with over 100,000 euros in Cyprus banks (savings, bonds, ect) the government took a cut from those accounts of 40% AND account holders are not allowed to touch that money for up to 3 years. There is a $300 limit per day on those account holders who only have a checking account, Those with both checking and savings accounts have to go thru a process of documents to withdraw their money and that could take up to a month to three months. Depending on the accounting practices of Co$ or their minions their money may be stuck and “donated” to the Cyprus government. That may not be if Co$ had insiders who saw the impending crisis and had them drain most of the accounts before the closings of the banks and implementation of the new withdraw stipulations.

  • Lurkness

    Hope $cientology took a huge haircut in Cyprus as it will add to their accelerating financial problems.

    • Bella Legosi

      It would be interesting to see some documentation of RTC/Co$ real estate holdings throughout the entire organization/cult and wonder just how much they did lose in the housing bubble.

  • Kevin Tighe

    I was asked to me with David Miscavige one time. Knowing how valuable his time was and not wanting to waste one second of it I beat myself up first.

    • BuryTheNuts2

      Kevin,…that was good!

      • Kevin Tighe

        Thanks. More to come.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Chuck-Beatty/1631176570 Chuck Beatty

      Kevin,

      Please put all your Int Base memories together sometime.

      You witnessed so much history! You’ve posted a lot of material, but it deserves to be put all into one place!

      Ex Int Base staff posting Int Base history are so valuable to show the decline of even how crazy it was originally, to how it got worse and worse under Miscavige.

      You’re in a couple of the earlier versions of the Tech Films, or worked on a bunch of them, didn’t you!?

      chuckbeatty77@aol.com

      • Kevin Tighe

        Chuck,

        I was never at the Int Base. At least that’s what they made me sign after I blew from there.

  • Ken_Delusion

    The Church of Scientology specifically and generally denies all allegations made by bitter defrocked former Narconon counselors and executives.

    The fact is that Narconon has a variable success rate from 0-95%.

    The success rate of Narconon is determined by the willingness of Narconon patients to become Scientologists. Moreover, at least 2.5% of Narconon patients are found to be Suppressive Persons for whom there is no hope. And to underscore the problems faced by Narconon, SMERSH routinely sends in agents who do the program and then move into management in order to place entheta and sabotage on Narconon’s lines.

    As a nonreligious drug treatment program, Narconon specializes in a unique approach that uses niacin, acceptable truths, and quasi-religious indoctrination that leads gradiently into fullblown upper level Scientology indoctrination where, over time, the Narconon patient cognites that:

    * The Church of Scientology is a good thing

    * The patient enjoys megadoses of niacin, cigarette smoking, drinking, and so perfectly qualifies to become a Narconon staff member

    * Becoming a certified drug counselor is easy when one is given the answer key by a Narconon executive

    * Narconon commissions can be lucrative

    In order to summarize by way of concluding, there has never been a better time for Tony Ortega to move on to some other story because there really is no problem with Narconon.

    A review of Narconon by the Religious Technology Center has found no outpoints, particularly when compared to what goes on everyday in standard Church of Scientology fundraising practices.

    • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

      Thank you Church of Scientology spokesman Ken Delusion.

      In other news, we in RTC have sent OT Kirstie Alley into a fullblown attack against Psych drugs. This worked very well for Tom Cruise:

      http://global.christianpost.com/news/kirstie-alley-takes-up-scientology-battle-against-anti-depressants-93025/

      • Ze Moo

        Asking Krustie Alley for advice about ADHD is about as effective as asking her about any self control issue, like over eating. The best quote from the article is:

        “When asked what made her an expert on the subject, Alley quickly fired off an explicit reply.
        “I don’t know,” Alley tweeted, “guess the same thing that makes u a [expletive]… experience.”

        You just have to admire her ‘confront’ and choice of words. NOT!!!!

      • John P.

        Thank you for the link to the Kirstie Alley meltdown in a Christian news publication. I added a comment with some background material that helps translate what Kirstie said and what Scientology says into plainer English. I explained clearly the concept of an R6 implant, for instance, which I am sure they will find of great interest. It’ll be interesting to see what they make of Kirstie and her comments.

  • Brainslugged

    Off topic (but still $cientology), I saw a trailer for Oblivion the other day. It’s a shame because it looks pretty good, but I won’t allow myself to pay to see it. I almost spat out my Coco Krispies at the irony in the trailer when someone tells Tom Cruise “the people you work for lied to you”. I’d LOVE to see a shoop of that in some form if anyone can oblige.

    Sod it – I’ll do it myself. This is the best I can manage in 5 mins and Powerpoint. I’m sure someone could do a much better job.

    • Ze Moo

      There have been Oblivion tv spots since December and they have been getting more numerous since early March. As the movie doesn’t open until April 19 this bespeaks a very large ad budget. Someone is very nervous about this film. I don’t see anything that could complete with it coming out the same time. Nice choice for the tag line.

      • SP ‘Onage

        I hope when he starts doing press junkets someone asks him about the crimes of narCONon.

    • Bella Legosi

      I saw the trailer too and couldn’t help but think, “Wow, the irony.” And nobody with broadband actually pay for entertainment media anymore and as far as I am concerned I shall never pay for another Tom Cruise movie again……6 Strikes or not!

  • http://twitter.com/Racnad Racnad

    The biggest MU in Scientology is SCIENCE!

  • DeElizabethan

    Congratulations Tom Tobin and Joe Childs. You have been the ongoing force against the evil cult. Thank you.

    Eric has just been the most super guy, right on the ball. Got to love him for his courage and persistence of truth in spite of all dangers. Looking forward to Friday on the Rock show.

    • aquaclara

      Cannot wait for Friday. Eric and Luke rock! Thanks, guys, for taking this on….can you hear the sound of 1000 Bunkerites screaming with happiness at the punches during the show on Friday night? This is NOT an unrestrained crowd, and we are behind you 1 billion percent-one for every year of that beastly contract.

      • SP ‘Onage

        I hope we have another Bunker online viewing party.

        • TonyOrtega

          I’m game if you are.

          • sugarplumfairy

            Yay!

  • Observer

    This is off this particular topic but still Scientology related. It’s a hilarious 1996 review of LRH’s “The Rediscovery of the Human Soul”, which, by the description, is now one of the volumes of the Nutterpedia. The reviewer had me at the title: “The Sound of One Mouth Blathering”

    http://www.skepdic.com/refuge/hubbard.html

    An excerpt in which the reviewer rebuts Ron’s “findings” in one of his totally scientific “experiments” detailed in the book:

    L Ron H claims that the new generations had inherited their parents and grandparent’s inability to tell the difference between steam and smoke. He also claims that all generations of bacteria “retreated” from smoke in an effort to survive. I find this experiment extremely interesting for several reasons.

    1. How does he know the bacteria were retreating? Was there a door marked “exit” on the edge of the petri dish? How can he be sure that they weren’t actually seeking the source of the smoke because they enjoyed getting high? This anthropomorphizing of bacteria is charming, I suppose, but not too scientific.

    2. No reputable biologist has ever heard of this crucial experiment.

    3. He expects us to believe he “taunted” bacteria with jets of steam and got no response until he first “taunted” them with smoke. Maybe the bacteria were “taunting” L Ron H by faking a retreat.

    4. He thinks that if bacteria mistakenly retreat from something which is no threat to their survival, this proves there is “an intelligence behind the scheme of life–an `X-Factor’….that shapes and gives meaning to life in ways that Darwin simply could not explain.” Perhaps, but it must be a pretty dumb intelligence if it can’t tell the difference between what’s harmful and what’s harmless. If survival is the only thing this Life Force is aiming at, as L Ron H claims, then it is amazing anything has survived since it doesn’t even have the ability to distinguish between what is and what is not a threat to survival.

    • Missionary Kid

      Thanks. The Skeptic’s Dictionary piece was excellent. I bookmarked it.

  • http://www.facebook.com/bob.gravlin Bob Gravlin

    I found the Jesse Prince discussion rather chilling. His mention again of LRHs occult involvement, the way the minions of COS come out “Pie faced” and brainwashed until most of their humanity and their God given personal uniqueness is washed out of them through the culture of fear and control, and the way COS has metastasized into so much of society and especially Hollywood and money, is chilling. His view of TC and how his once good naturedness was removed out of him is sad. This reminds me a bit of the Dark Lord and his kingdom of slavery and darkness in the Lord of the Rings. I never heard LRH saying he wanted to be the satan of the bible. where is that quote from Jesse doesn’t mince words when he talks of TC being made into a demon who lives off of slave labor.

  • http://www.facebook.com/andrea.reynolds.1447 Andrea Reynolds

    Very interesting NOIS vs Scientology radio. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZENwg3gkDg

    • DeElizabethan

      Had listened to. Yes, VERY interesting!

  • PreferToBeAnon2

    For those Bunkerites who have not had the pleasure of reading the Carr deposition in the Desmond lawsuit, here are 10 highlights:

    * According to Carr, there are about 57 NarCONon rehab centers –with only 12 in the United States (this does NOT include all of their other drug education programs). Eric, Luke, David (Love) and Mary–is there an effort underway to get the message out to other countries?

    * The NarCONon training materials to all rehab centers require that the registrars get copies of “Big League Sales” and the “Language of Salesmanship” by Les Dane. Aren’t you relieved to know that people are being guided through a detox process by, literally, the same tactics employed by a used car salesmen? And, aren’t you relieved to know that those who are shepherding the recovery of addicts are actually stupid enough to put this in writing? Both are incredible: the act and the fact that they DOCUMENT the act.

    * This was a head scratcher: The training materials actually use the phrase, “hard sell.” Carr tried to pass off the phrase as actually meaning “caring for the individual.” Ummmm, maybe in Bizzaro World.

    * The agreement between NN Int and NN Georgia cites that the facility is residential. Of course, it is not licensed as such. Carr’s response was that this language is the “equivalent of a typo” in the legal document and the Director of Legal Affairs just missed it. Oh Claudia, Claudia…now why didn’t spellcheck catch that?

    * An exhibit (an email) to NarCONon Int says, “The purpose of the Current Board of Investigation is to get rid of Maria.”

    * Said Carr, “…Our international training center in Oklahoma, was actually commended by CARF for their routine outcome monitoring procedure.” I would love to hear what CARF has to say about that!

    * Here is my favorite: In the middle of the deposition–right then and there–they actually pulled up the NN Georgia website which states, “Housing in a residential setting is provided.” Seriously! A screen shot was then entered as an exhibit.

    * They have introduced NN East to deflect responsibility from NN International as part of the corporate shell game. They are not named as a party to the suit.

    * From an exhibit: 95% of all complaints are about housing and are referred to NN Int or NN East. And, even after the death, the Board of Investigation, etc., NN Georgia received a commendation from Int (for production in a game). As long as $ is flowing, right? And of course we want our healthcare providers to play “production games” about it. Sick.

    * Carr compared himself to a hero who would run into a burning building to save lives.

    Kudos to attorney Jeff Harris!

    Mary, thanks for making these documents available!

    • DeElizabethan

      That was excellent reading and info. Yes Mary, thanks to you both.

    • aquaclara

      I’m catching up on yesterday, and add my thanks to you and Mary. Nice summary!

  • PreferToBeAnon2

    Midwest Mom! I got sidetracked with life while trying to simultaneously read some of the NN depositions today and didn’t see your return! Glad you are back!

    • Midwest Mom

      Thank you! :)