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—————- In anticipation of her biggest day in court yet, Laura DeCrescenzo and her attorneys hit the Church of Scientology with 928 pages of new filings —————- Details from 18,000 pages of evidence show how Scientology manipulated a child to keep her working under slave-like conditions —————- A key document describing DeCrescenzo’s unwillingness to have her coerced abortion is missing from the evidence Scientology was ordered to produce By Tony Ortega Wednesday afternoon, Laura DeCrescenzo filed explosive new information in her four-year legal odyssey against the Church of Scientology, submitting 928 pages of new declarations and exhibits in anticipation of a crucial October 23 hearing in her lawsuit against the church which alleges abuse, including allegations that she was forced to have an abortion at only 17 years of age. Key to the new filings is information gleaned from thousands of pages of previously secret files that the church fought mightily to keep under wraps. But on Monday, the U.

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LEAKED: Scripts Spell Out How Scientology Directs the Unsuspecting to Its Rehab Network

NarcononFreshStart

Some remarkable documents hit the Internet yesterday. They appear to be actual scripts used by employees who answer the phone numbers listed at drug rehab information websites with generic-sounding names.

The websites claim to deliver impartial advice about drug rehabilitation programs, but many of them are in fact front operations for Scientology’s rehab network, Narconon. According to the scripts — as well as confirmation by several former employees — the people who answer these phone calls are instructed to do everything they can to convince a family to send a potential patient to a Narconon center (and they earn a large bounty for doing so).

It’s the first step in Narconon’s deceptive business model, which has come under intense scrutiny in the past year because of deaths at centers in Oklahoma and Georgia. Before patients arrive at the centers, however, they must be convinced to go there. And that’s where these scripts come in.

Researcher Mary McConnell obtained the scripts from a source inside the Southern California Narconon network — known as “Narconon Fresh Start” — and posted them to a Scribd account and to the Reaching for the Tipping Point Forum, which keeps a close eye on Scientology’s drug rehab program.

While it’s not unusual for businesses to provide scripts to their telephone operators, particularly in telemarketing firms, the Narconon scripts are remarkable for how plainly they spell out Scientology’s total influence over the process and the deceptive methods used to answer the questions of callers.

As we’ve reported numerous times previously, the Narconon network insists to reporters that it is not connected to the Church of Scientology. In fact, Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard tasked his Guardian’s Office — the church’s legal and intelligence wing, which was replaced by the Office of Special Affairs — to use Narconon and other front groups as a way to improve Scientology’s image. Today, church leader David Miscavige touts Narconon’s statistics at big annual church events, and only members of Scientology’s inner hardcore, the “Sea Org,” can staff the Association for Better Living and Education, the umbrella corporation that licenses Narconon International.

Narconon is a Scientology enterprise. And that’s quite obvious from the telephone scripts.

With jargon like “build ARC,” “dead agent material,” “reg cycle,” “out rudiments,” “PTS,” “stable datum,” and more, it’s clear that these scripts are written by Scientologists for Scientologists.

In fact, several of them are signed by Chris Bauge, Narconon Fresh Start’s deputy executive director, who has a history of Scientology involvement. Tax records show that Bauge was paid $256,543 in salary and $11,015 in other compensation by Narconon Fresh Start in 2011, the last year the organization’s records are available.

We called Narconon Fresh Start yesterday, explained why we were calling to the person who answered the phone, but were then told to call Narconon International — Narconon Fresh Start’s licensing body. We did as we were told and left a message. We’re still waiting for a reply.

McConnell posted several different scripts that tend to have much in common. They instruct a Narconon employee, when he or she receives a call, to spend some time getting basic information about how the caller is connected to the potential patient, and gather more data about the full family situation, which seems prudent. But then, the operator is instructed to convince the caller that things are worse than he or she may have believed…

DROScript4

After more conversation, the employee is instructed to use the classic Scientology strategy of “finding a ruin.” In other words, to find the key vulnerability that will convince the potential patient that he’s at serious risk without immediate help: “I.e. — Felony charges and he will never be able to get a good job, legal charges, kids get taken away by CPS, children grow up without a father or mother, addict’s liver or kidneys fail, wind up in jail or prison, kill themselves or someone else by drunk driving, they die from an overdose.”

After finding that vulnerability, the employee is supposed to pretend that he has other families to talk to, and will call back later, but at that point must also speak with the “family opinion leader” — in other words, the decision maker and source of funding.

After convincing the family opinion leader that the addict’s problem is very severe and requires at least 90 days of treatment, the employee then has to convince the family that there are numerous programs to avoid.

DROScript1

The employee then “dead agents” other well known options. “Dead agent” is a Scientology term for providing negative information to bias a listener against someone or something. In this case, the employee first badmouths inexpensive state or county programs, saying that they are “used as an absolute last resort.” The employee is instructed to describe them as crime-ridden hellholes.

Next, the employee takes on the more well known private programs around the country. The employee describes Passages of Malibu as one of the best programs, with an excellent success rate, but costing $150,000 “which in my opinion is a bit ridiculous.”

The Cirque Lodge in Utah costs less, but “their success rate is horrible.” Then, there’s the famous place in the California desert named after a former First Lady…

DROScript2

(Betty Ford died in 2011, which is when this script is dated.)

The employee then raises the prospect of Narconon centers, but doesn’t sell too hard: “The success rates are claimed to fall between 75 to 80 percent.” (Emphasis ours. In fact, those rates are preposterous. Even the best programs claim success rates of closer to 25 percent, and Narconon programs seem to raise their numbers all the time. Some are even claiming 90 percent success rates in recent advertisements.)

The employee continues with the soft sell: “The only thing with these treatment centers is sometimes they are full and running on a waiting list. That and they are not as ‘posh’ or luxurious as the more expensive ones.”

A line is then written out which gives the impression that the employee did not have his mind made up from the very beginning…

DROScript3

As the employee continues to push the caller toward Narconon, he also continues to pretend that he may have a difficult time getting them in, saying that he will “try” to get someone at a Narconon center on the phone.

In reality, he may be simply transferring his call to another person just down the hall.

That’s what Stacey Payne tells us she experienced when she worked at several Narconon centers over a nine-year period.

When she worked at Narconon Vista Bay in northern California, she would field calls that came in through the generic websites. Like the employee described in the scripts, she had to pretend that she had no connection to Narconon, even though she was sitting in one.

“I would pick up the phone and pretend that I wasn’t a Narconon employee, and I’d try to get them into Narconon,” she says. It was also important, she says, to keep Scientology out of the conversation. After convincing the caller that Narconon might be the best option, she’d transfer the call to someone else in the building.

At one time, Luke Catton was president of Narconon’s flagship facility in Oklahoma, Narconon Arrowhead. He’s now speaking out about the deceptions he saw at the centers where he worked.

“They have their own staff members pretending to be referring sources. So those are their own employees handling those calls and referring them to a Narconon SoCal ‘reg,’ even though they’re just referring down the hall,” Catton says, referring to the registrars (‘reg’ for short) whose job it is to get people to buy services.

And Catton points out that convincing people to go to Narconon is a lucrative gig, with a ten percent commission on a $35,000 program. “You can make $3,500 for a ten-minute phone call,” he says.

Eric Tenorio worked at Narconon centers in Oklahoma, Michigan, and Florida. He too says he witnessed Narconon employees pretending to be impartial referrers.

“The calls come from the fake referral lines. Typically they’re in the same room. They’re just handing one call from one guy to the next,” he says.

Catton, Tenorio, and Payne tell us that the generic websites and referral calls are only the beginning of Narconon deceptions. Families are told that Narconon patients will get personalized counseling for their specific drug problems in a facility staffed with professional medical personnel. In fact, they say, there’s little drug counseling; instead, Narconon materials show that patients go through the exact same training as beginning Scientologists do. (Narconon claims that these activities, such as shouting at ashtrays, have somehow been “secularized,” but it’s not clear how talking to ashtrays or holding staring contests in the church is “religious” to begin with — in fact, Hubbard claimed that Scientology was an “exact science” of the mind.) As for medical personnel, Narconon facilities are in fact staffed largely by former patients for low pay, and in the case of Narconon Georgia, court records showed that the lone physician associated with the staff had never once actually set foot in the place.

Catton and Tenorio also alleged recently that Narconon staff members obtained some of their professional certifications fraudulently. Last week, the National Association of Forensic Counselors took the extraordinary step of revoking the certifications of Gary Smith (CEO of Narconon Arrowhead) and Mary Rieser (former executive director of Narconon Georgia) as well as an undisclosed number of other employees. (We’ve made multiple calls to Smith and Rieser which have not been returned.)

Smith is losing his certification at a time when the Narconons in Oklahoma and Georgia are under intense scrutiny by local and state investigators in multiple criminal probes. The state of Oklahoma, meanwhile, is considering legislation this month that could make it tougher for Narconon Arrowhead to hold onto its licensing.

Catton and Tenorio tell us they will be making sure investigators are made aware of the scripts that McConnell posted to the Internet. We’ll follow up with them soon.

 
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SMERSH Madness: Sowing the Seeds of World Domination!

As we announced on March 1, we’re joining bracket fever with a tournament like no other. It’s up to you to decide who should be named the new SMERSH, the traditional nemesis of Scientology. Cast your vote for who’s doing more to propel the church down its long slide into oblivion!

Continuing in the first round, we have a fun matchup this morning.

PaulVsJason

Paul Haggis, Oscar-winning director and screenwriter, is easily the most famous person to leave Scientology and speak openly about it. But more than his fame, it was his obvious credibility and self-deprecating style that made him such a devastating witness against the church on NBC’s Rock Center. The church has tried multiple times to smear him, but it’s only backfired.

Jason Beghe, the well-known character actor, made his own splash when he left Scientology and spoke up in 2008. As we’ve written before, Beghe not only won many fans for his brash style, but he did much more behind the scenes than he’s usually given credit for. And his career has zoomed since he left the church, providing evidence that Scientology’s influence in Hollywood is waning.

 
Yesterday’s result: Tory Christman barely squeaked by Karen de la Carriere in a nailbiter.

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on March 11, 2013 at 07:00

 

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  • Cymboli Starsong

    This rages me. From 2002 to 2006 I was in the pit of hell due to drug and alcohol addiction. My family was desperate to help me and could have very easily fallen for one of these sales pitches. Scare tactics on family members is shameful. They already have all of those fears in the back of their minds, to use that to sell a product is the absolute lowest of low. I always knew there was a hard sell for Narcanon but manipulation and dead agenting reputable treatment centers is dark and twisted.

    • jensting

      Glad you got out.

      This is just one of the many uses for the very religious practise of “finding their ruin” with which the criminal organisation known as the “church” of $cientology tries to sell its products. Kaja Ballo – a Norweigan woman in France – took the personality test. She killed herself the same day she received the results. Patrice Vic in France could not afford the (dangerous) sauna treatment known as the “purification rundown.” Patrice Vic was convinced that his entire future was at stake in buying this product and so he killed himself when he couldn’t afford it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Kaja_Ballo and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientology_in_France#Suicide_of_Patrice_Vic

      • Poison Ivy

        Didn’t know those stories. Pretty terrible.

        • richelieu jr

          They are very well-known here, I can tell you. I am sure there are many US equivalents that were covered up before the ‘church’ lost its ability to hush things up…

          • RMycroft

            A lot of Narconon problems got hushed because Narconon had a clean slate every time it forced a settlement and gag on a family. The next family had no idea of any previous incidents or the numbers of them.

            • Mary_McConnell

              Don’t blame these people. Remember, this is Scientology at work when a lawsuit is filed. All these people wanted was their money back so they could get their loved one REAL REHAB CARE. They went through hell to get it, believe me. Not everyone has the desire, ability or stamina to fight to the bitter end. Even the Desmond Family, whose lawsuit produced thousands of important and revelatory documents so useful for future lawsuits, settled with the typical gag agreement. There is only so much people can be put through before they say, I’m done. I don’t blame any of them one bit.

            • RMycroft

              I don’t blame anyone for settling–not our private army. It just makes me angry that each suffering family was forced to face a practiced team of Narconon thugs/lawyers/liars who were going to pretend that “this was the first time anything like this has happened, a million-to-one chance, so be reasonable, sign here…” and then it’d go down the Memory Hole, rise, repeat.

              Times have changed. The Desmonds may have settled, but not before giving Narconon Georgia a slow death wound. This is acceptable.

            • richelieu jr

              Gag orders are theoretically illegal here, though slander laws are very sting and often abused (especially by celebrities)

            • RMycroft

              By gag, I mean a settlement with a confidentiality clause about the terms of the agreement, with further restrictions against talking about the original dispute–and penalties for breaking the agreement. That’s not uncommon in civil case settlements, but Scientology takes it to the limits.

            • richelieu jr

              Yes, I understood.

        • Captain Howdy
    • mirele

      I have a relative who is dealing with drug addiction and this person’s family has been desperate, just desperate to get him into some place where he could be cured. Thank goodness I’ve been an annoying shit about Scientology for so many years and everyone in the family knows it–because if they know it’s Scientology, they won’t fall for it.

      What worries me is how NN says it’s not Scientology, but it IS. Liars.

      • Captain Howdy

        One word of advice. There is no such thing as a “cure”, only a hopeful abstinence that you have to deal with for the rest of your life.

        • Cymboli Starsong

          Don’t make it sound so bleak. I’ve been sober for 7 years now and its a great life. Getting there takes a long time and hard work but the rewards more than make up for challenge. Yes, my addiction is with me always and yes I continue to attend meetings. However, i’m a far better person today because of it.

          • Captain Howdy

            Congratulations and may the force be with you. I wasn’t trying to make it sound “bleak”, just “realistic”. Sorry, whether clean or dirty, I’ve always leaned towards the dark side.

            • Poison Ivy

              I think what the Captain means, Cymboli, is that many unfamiliar with addiction (sadly, probably many of these families who buy the Narconon line) DO look at rehab as a “Cure.” Some even assume that those coming out will be able to have the occasional beer, etc. without consequence, like somehow they’ve been “innoculated.” And Narconon ‘counselors’ seem to promote this idea.

            • Captain Howdy

              I’ve read that narconon when discharging people gives them a few beers to prove they’re cured !!! Also i get the impression that many of the victims of narconon are coming mainly from the hinterlands and they have no experience with this disease and what causes it, chemically, genetically and psychologically..

              NA and AA hasn’t worked for me, but that is probably more my fault than theirs.. And there’s no such thing as drinking or using “in safety” like rational recovery tried to promote. No one in recovery refers to themselves as ex-junkies or ex-alcoholoics..

            • Poison Ivy

              I don’t know much about Rational Recovery but I do know a thing or two about Moderation Management :http://www.people.com/people/archive/article/0,,20131795,00.html I do believe there are some people who are ‘merely’ alcohol or drug “abusers” as opposed to true addicts (as in the disease model), but generally, if the problem has gotten to the point where family members are hysterically trying to find a rehab NOW, the person is probably the latter. In that case, going to Narconon is pouring fuel on the fire.

            • Cymboli Starsong

              Any addict will tell you that there is no such thing as moderation for us. We have a hit or a drink… then another… then another.. Always chasing that perfect high. The main difference between abuse and addiction boils down to one question. Can you put down your drug of choice (booze included), abstain and not feel as though you need it to continue? It isn’t just about physical dependence. Anyone can become physically dependent on a drug. It is about obsession and compulsion. For those of us who have the disease, moderation is pie in the sky nonsense. Now when I turn 70, its on like donkey kong baby. :p

            • stanrogers

              A lot of that came out of Ontario’s Centres for Addiction and Mental Health. And it does look good over the short term. The problem is that it relies on *at least* as much will power as unassisted abstinence. Long-term follow-up studies (ten years) have shown that not a single person (as in “not a single person”) from the original group of clinical studies had maintained moderation; they had either relapsed or become completely abstinent (usually with the aid of a support group).

              As for AA/NA, it all depends on what you choose to hear, I suppose. I know there are a lot of Bible-thumping types, as well as a lot of people spouting empty bromides and hiding from real life in church basements and community centres. It doesn’t have to be that way, and shouldn’t be that way. At its core, the twelve-step programs are an incredibly effective strategy for cognitive behavioural therapy, identical in essence (if not quite identical in vocabulary) to any of the effective “pure” psychology-based treatments. It’s just really hard, depending on the local groups (and the people in them) to listen and look through the folklore to get to the real treasure. (And pressing for reform from inside isn’t working well at all, despite decades of trying. Seems people have mistaken the Big Book for Inspired Holy Scripture, of which not a jot or tittle can be altered by more than footnotes. Too bad. In another fifty years, almost none of it will make sense to anyone who hasn’t studied Early 20th Century American Hack Literature in school.)

            • Missionary Kid

              Very well put! I worked gathering statistics on alcoholics in the early70s, and observed all of those things. It was the beginning of the rise of the for-profit alcohol treatment facilities. Fake-anon based its facade on the most predatory of them, which would boot patients when their insurance ran out. Apparently, they’ve added the demand for money up front. They’ve based the “treatment” on the damaging, unscientific theories of L. Royal Highness, who understood addiction about as well as a kumquat.

              AA’s strength is the community, and AA’s weakness is the community, but at it’s weakest, it has to be better than NARCONCON. AA’s goal is sobriety. NARCONCON’s goal is sucking as much money out of participants as possible and recruiting them into $cientology.

            • Bella Legosi

              My experience with AA or NA has been that they both have things inthem that may work for some people.but the problem withmost sustance abuse programs is that the disease is as complex as the person. So, general 12 stepss or uniformity in such programs tends not to work for very long.

              I have seen people get off drink and drugs but act as if they are in a cult. Only socializing with people in the program and applying the steps to everything in their lives, and only have the program to talk about.

              This is why I have not gone that route. I prefer kickingthe sheets and talking to a therepist.

            • Bella Legosi

              The only cure to any addiction is the realization that you do not possess theneed or want for the substance, and even then doubts may come back into your mind. So, really there is no “cure”. Only will power and determination. As well as SUPPORT from those whom you trust and love.

            • FistOfXenu

              The only way to be “at cause” over your addiction is don’t take the first hit.

            • Captain Howdy

              This is true because you don’t know if you have the right or wrong personality/genetic type to handle it. Some people try “it” once and they’re off to the races and I’ve seen others try “it” occasionally and they can take it or leave it.

            • richelieu jr

              Funny, whether dark or Light, I’ve always leaned to the dirty side…

            • Roger Larsson

              Crowley:”Do as thou whilst is the whole of the law”

            • FistOfXenu

              Yeah because we’re all so inspired by Crowley. He’s a role model for us. after all, Ron looked up to him and look how that turned out.

            • http://www.facebook.com/people/Robert-Eckert/100002715429426 Robert Eckert

              Someone (can’t remember who to credit right now) came up with a variant: “Do what thou wilt, and pay the price”

            • Cymboli Starsong

              No worries, I just find that so many place addiction and recovery in such a negative light. I’m a drug counselor and an AA sponsor. So many come to me from that place and its sad. Getting clean and sober is one of the hardest (if not the hardest) things anyone may have to go through in their life. We’re already desperate by the time we come to this place. I try not to add to it. Its just my way. I didn’t mean to jump down your throat.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Robert-Eckert/100002715429426 Robert Eckert

            I was sober for 8 years when the bug bit me again. It’s never over. Took me four years to get sober again, but now I’m coming up on my 10th anniversary.

            • grundoon

              Well done! Next stop, 20!!

            • http://www.facebook.com/people/Robert-Eckert/100002715429426 Robert Eckert

              I’ll work on 10 years and 1 day first…

        • http://lliira.dreamwidth.org/ Lliira

          I’ve never been an addict the way people normally think of it. But after being on Percocet for 2 weeks, taking less than the prescribed amount, I became physically addicted. I was able to quit right away, but it was pretty hellish. And I didn’t even like the way it made me feel — it didn’t help my pain much, it didn’t make me “high”, it just made me sleep. That was two years ago, for two weeks, and sometimes I still feel I “need” a Percocet. I can move away from that feeling by doing and thinking about other things, but I think it will always be ready to rise up again.

          You’re right, there is no way to become un-addicted to drugs or alcohol. It’s not the end of the world, just another thing to deal with in life. I don’t think this is bleak; it’s just true.

          • Captain Howdy

            You must have a really low tolerance to opiates because it took me a couple of months of almost everyday heroin use before I remember waking up sick the first time, and from talking to others that is pretty much typical.The thing is once you cross that line and you stop and then start again, it only takes like 4 days straight to get re-addicted.

            • richelieu jr

              I had too work pretty hard to get hooked, too… Both times…

            • Captain Howdy

              Yea, it’s not like “Starsky & Hutch” where they kidnap Hutch and shoot ‘em up for a few days and he’s a raging zombie dope fiend. I luv that episode.

            • Andrew Robertson

              Perhaps more realistically depicted in ‘French Connection II’ when Charnier captures Doyle and injects him with heroin for several weeks resulting in a long, agonizing ‘cold turkey’ period in the police cells.

              Andrew

            • grundoon

              You must have had an iron constitution back then.

        • mirele

          I’m acutely aware how difficult and fragile recovery can be–the particular relative I’m thinking of has been to four separate rehabs. :(

    • richelieu jr

      Remember you are taloking about an organiza–sation that (at least whilst I was in LA) put up on the big lit sing outside their church a series of messages that basically sought out the most troubled and vulnerable.. ‘Tried, Confused.. COME IN!”, “Lonely, Hurt? COME IN!”, “Lost? Afraid? COME IN!”

      True story: One night I may, with certain other people who shall remain un-named as they are still in the city of Angels, may possibly have covered said sign with a sheet that said ‘Stupid? Too Rich? Come in!”

      Apparently it was gone by 9am the next morning… I actually feel sorry for the poor RPF bastards who prbably had to get up in the middle of the night and risk life and limb to take it down… IF any of you are here, I really apologize…

    • Mary_McConnell

      Thank you commenting on this, Cymboli, I completely understand the rage. The families are the most vulnerable and I get to know some of them after the fact of being deceived and defrauded and it’s really heartbreaking. This is why we try to help when to expose what they are doing. The situation is much worse then these documents show. Please do visit the forum . Here is the Narconon and Other Scientology Front Groups section of the forum http://forum.reachingforthetippingpoint.net/index.php#c8

      • RMycroft

        And thank you for making sure that stuff *doesn’t* go down the Memory Hole and is available for the next family.

  • jensting

    By coming forward, Catton, Tenorio, and Payne are doing it right. Happily, licensing authorities and politicians are waking up to the fact that the criminal organisation kown as the “church” of $cientology are not doing it right.

  • Observer

    I had to go with Jason “Show Me a Motherfucking Clear” Beghe. He cuts through the crap and calls ‘em as he sees ‘em.

    “The employee is instructed to describe them as crime-ridden hellholes.” I believe the phrase “Of all the unmitigated gall … !” is called for here. Manipulating desperate and vulnerable people like that is absolutely heinous. Everything The Most Ethical People On the Planet do is purely malicious, hypocritical moneygrubbing. I feel sick.

    Edit: Thank you so much, Luke and Eric. Scn claims to be saving lives as they put people in danger, but you are truly saving lives by speaking out.

    • EnthralledObserver

      I’m glad you could articulate this – I’m a little bit speechless over these blatant, disgusting techniques to con desperate families… it does indeed make one feel ill.

    • Are_sics

      Perfect — on all counts. Thanks.

    • Poison Ivy

      “The employee is instructed to describe them as crime-ridden hellholes.” Once again, Scientology gives evidence that the psychological concept of “projection” is alive and well within the “church!”

  • Mary_McConnell

    Thank you Tony Ortega, Eric Tenorio, Lucas Catton and Stacey Payne for helping us expose the deceptive trade practices of Narconon. Most thanks to the tipster who sent me the documents. I have a bunch more to upload, too :)

    • Observer

      And thank you for digging these scripts up!

      • Mary_McConnell

        These were sent to me, like a gift! I am fortunate that current and former staff are reading the forum, and contacting me, many with a heavy heart and guilty conscience

        • Observer

          I hope they can find peace in helping to right these wrongs.

          • 10oriocookies

            Its very therapeutic I must say….

            • http://www.facebook.com/kelly.irwin.503 Kelly Irwin

              ET has phoned home and a few other places, lol.

    • Sidney18511

      More Mary? I spent hours yesterday reading what you already posted and got NOTHING else done.

      • Mary_McConnell

        :) If it’s any consolation, the rest are smaller docs, lol

        • EnthralledObserver

          I hope you aren’t just teasing us with their existence… when can we take a peek? :D

    • CoolHand

      Thank you for getting them and posting them!

      • Mary_McConnell

        Thank you for helping us decipher them, lol!! ( More to be posted today)

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Robert-Eckert/100002715429426 Robert Eckert

      MOAR! MOAR! Thank you for all you do.

      • Mary_McConnell

        You’re welcome, Robert. Glad to be of help!

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001007868067 Synthia Elizabeth Fagen

      You are ALL my heroes.

      • http://www.facebook.com/ToryMagoo44 Tory Christman

        Well said, Synthia: you are ALL my heroes, too! A special thanks to Catton, Tonorio and Payne as well as Mary M and of course Tony O! “As we’ve reported numerous times previously, the Narconon network
        insists to reporters that it is not connected to the Church of
        Scientology.” LOL>>>I used to work, briefly but long enough to know it’s true, for Gary Smith at Narconon, International. EVERY SINGLE THURSDAY before 2:00 (when ALL $cientology “Stats” MUST be reported) Narconon’s “Stats” came flying “in” via Fax machine then and immediately sent “up lines to Int” ($cientology’s stop dogs–for anyone new).

        I’ll never forget it as NN had hired a non-Scientologist to be the “reception”. That alone surprised me. The insanity he observed each Thursday was too much for him and no one had explained what was going on. So I explained it to him, giving the analogy of a football game and right before Thursday at 2:00 IS THE last minute of the game. Thus everyone is frantically trying to make their “points” COUNT. “Ohhhhhhhhh I get it now” he smiled. I left soon after that, but it showed me enough of how Narconon *really* is a part of C of $, no matter what they say. I knew it was, but it helped to see the proof. Can’t wait to see more about this, Tony! :)

        • Mary_McConnell

          Thanks Synthia and Tory!

    • http://www.angrygaypope.com/ Angry Gay Pope

      Mary Mary quite contrary how does your library grow!
      Only question now is “who is next to blow!”

      • Mary_McConnell

        Yes!!

      • sketto

        Time to Start a Blow Pool. It’s kinda like a dead pool, only instead of betting on who’s gonna die, you’re betting on who’s gonna wake up and blow.

    • CoolHand

      These Narconon centers pay extra bonuses to the top Field Staff Members (FSMs – the ones who earn 10% for a “referral”). This just arrived today from a Registrar at Narconon Fresh Start. Who says it’s not about money?

      • hogarthian

        That’s absolutely fucking disgusting. ‘Let’s give those families in need a little Irish luck’? for the fucking love of (whichever) god (you believe in)!!!! I know you Americans hate the word, but I don’t, and sometimes, it’s the only one that fits… they’re a complete and utter bunch of fucking c***s.

        • Trustmeonthis

          I hate NarCONon and the $cilons as much as you do, but thanks for thinking that “vagina” is the absolute worst insult you can come up with.

          Seems like it’s the most awful thing in the world… until you want to get into one. :-P

          • hogarthian

            ok, here I go again… WHOOAAAAA… it’s that ‘not knowing the person behind the post’ thing again. I am an active (and as I’ve already said, somewhere) strident, feminist. I work (and march) regularly on behalf of myself and women the world over. I am a woman, I have a vagina, I own whatever disparaging word you can come up with to describe it, I can use the word cunt in whichever context I wish to. Does that mean we’re not allowed to say ‘bollocks’ any more, for fear of widespread emasculation? Bollocks!

            • http://www.facebook.com/people/Robert-Eckert/100002715429426 Robert Eckert

              We better not call them a bunch of pricks, either.

            • FistOfXenu

              Please say bollocks all you like. Just don’t, for example, describe DM and TC as the left and right bollocks of LRH.

              Bollocks are useful and I’m reliably informed that that at least one person likes them. Hate to think of someone who likes balls being in the same league with someone who likes DM and TC. :D

            • EnthralledObserver

              ‘Cunt’, although not my first choice of word to use in most situations due to others in hearing range that I might not wish to offend, is probably my FAVOURITE word! It certainly serves to provide the ummphh to describe certain people at times. (And I have a vagina too ;) )

          • richelieu jr

            FWIW: ‘Con’ which we use to mean ‘stupid’ or ‘asshole’ in French means ‘C**T”, so I really love your spelling there…

            And yes, from pretty much the moment we men get out, we’re trying to get back in.. Oh, Irony, is there no delight you will spare us from? ;-)

          • Mary_McConnell

            hahaha!!

        • FistOfXenu

          That’s an insult to women and their c***ts. We can argue some other time what words to use for our amusement accessories but for now I hate equating these low lifes with something so beautiful.

          I bet somebody here’s gonna tell me to stop being something or other. I’ll take the heat if just one person here thinks “I LIKE (choose your favorite sex organ). Why should I compare that lying thieving scum to something so beautiful?” :)

          • hogarthian

            Perfect excuse to use the cockney rhyming slang for ‘fair enough’….. (you’re gonna love this)… FURRY MUFF.

            • Captain Howdy

              My favorite is the one I found in my dictionary of slang:

              Cat’s head cut open- C19 th vulgarism for the labia majora and minora; pairs up with: cat with its throat cut , the female genitalia and interlabial slit. See vagina for synonyms

          • Johan

            I take it you would object to my calling Davey a perfect dick?…..

            • FistOfXenu

              Afraid so. I happen to have a dick and although I wouldn’t claim it’s perfect my wife would. I would HATE to associate something she enjoys so much with the Demented Midget.

        • http://lliira.dreamwidth.org/ Lliira

          No. C***s are glorious things.

          These people are frauds, criminals, greedy, cowards. Assholes, if you like. And one thing Scientology definitely is, is misogynistic. Also, they’re sex-hating. When you use the c-word as an insult, you are too.

          • hogarthian

            If we think it’s such an acceptable descriptor for such a glorious thing…. then why are we st***ing it out?

            • FistOfXenu

              Like I said at the beginning it’s probably a separate discussion for someplace else which word we prefer but my objection was using any word to compare the amazing and beautiful vagina with the blood sucking soul destroying liars and con artists of $cientarCONon.

              I guess we star it because of some convention? I did it because you did if you must know and because I can’t make up my mind what I think about public use of it. In the real Navy (contrast it to LRH’s fake navy) swearing was coarse, creative and universal. BUT around our womenfolk and kids we pulled it back a few notches. Times change and the internet changes everything.

          • hogarthian

            I attended this march…. and made this banner! So back off ….. please?

      • Captain Howdy

        I’m surprised the Leprechaun doesn’t have a beer in his hand considering how tactless and clueless the scilons usually are.

        • Poison Ivy

          As 1/4 off-the-boat Irish American and married to a full-blooded one, I object to our nationality being drafted into service for this abominable cult.

          • Captain Howdy

            Perhaps someone in the Real IRA should be notified ?
            A down vote ? “Fee-fi-fo-fum, I smell the blood of an Englishman”

            • bliss

              [Perhaps someone in the Real IRA should be notified ?
              A down vote ? "Fee-fi-fo-fum, I smell the blood of an Englishman"]

              i was 13 when the IRA bombed the rotunda and the talk of the town in Birmingham uk i was on the other side of the road in between both buildings i still remember the terror so fuck you capt here’s a second down vote

        • richelieu jr

          Given how tactless they usaully are, he’d be passed out ina gutter next to a bottle of Paddy’s whiskey whilst a gypsy steals his pockey watch, unaware that one of L Ron’s favourite ‘negroes’ is preparing to mug him.. THen the shining, pasty-white hand of Old L Ron his own self stretches out to help them up outof thier ethnic gutter…

          Angelic harps and a crescendo of strings, so uplifing..!

          And no one notices the fat redhead gnashing his snaggly teeth as he makes off with all the money himself…

          Silly ethnic People! Tricks are for Scilons!

      • http://www.facebook.com/ToryMagoo44 Tory Christman

        Wow that’s new. I don’t remember NN having FSM’s. Again, more proof they are under the umbrella of the “church” of $cientology. It’s ALL about one thing, really: $$$$$$$$$$$$$. “Irish Luck” My ASS. This CULT is going D O W N and desperate for money. Tick Tock baby!

        • Mary_McConnell

          Come visit Reaching For The Tipping Point forum to keep up to date on all they have been doing. Fake referral websites, FSM’s , setting up grads to be interventionists… lots more and it’s been going on for years, just like the CCDC license test fraud.

          http://reaching4.info

          • http://www.facebook.com/ToryMagoo44 Tory Christman

            Thanks, Mary!! I’ve been trying to get onto “The Tipping Point” for over one year now. I FINALLY figured out what was stopping me! Typically—it was a small computer error I’d been typing in. Happy to see ALL the info there! Thanks again for all of your work, and everyone else’s too. :)

      • Mary_McConnell

        LOL!! STATS, STATS, STATS!!!

        There’s a back story to the history of Narconon using these gift cards as incentives… I have to check with a particular someone to verify if it was just rumor or true and when I find out, I will let you know.

      • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

        Scientology is a game where everybody wins.

        If you send 1 new start into Narconon you will receive a $50 Visa gift card, a gift we in RTC fully expect you to donate to the IAS.

        • http://twitter.com/eddieVroom eddieVroom

          You’ve been there before?.. ;-)

    • http://www.facebook.com/kim.obrien.775 Kim O’Brien

      you are kind of a rock star ! i am doing the wayne and garth bow right now ….

      • Mary_McConnell

        LOL!! :P

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      My favorite part (and there were so many) is where it makes it quite clear that they tell the customer a counselor is about to talk to them, but the script clearly states Narconon Actually puts a reg on the phone instead. Hell is too good for these animals, but I’ll settle for jail.

    • aquaclara

      Thank you very much, Mary!! And to your great friends who help…the NN story will produce the most expensive end to this damaging farce. All due to you and the crew. I follow this with keen interest and awe for your collective -and significant-contributions. With sincere and deep gratitude….

  • EnthralledObserver

    “Show me a mother-fucking CLEAR!” Yeah, we all want to see one, don’t we? I love his (Jason Beghe’s) style, and it’s really the only thing that got me his vote over Paul Haggis – they are both equally giving the cult Hell!

    • Bella Legosi

      Yeah, I have to saythat is what did it for me as well. Jason’s appearence on Californiacation and the vid he did that shoed up on Martys blog (aboit Little Boots coming onto him) tipped the scales for me. On a lighter note: Battlefeild Earth is on and I am only halfway thru and I wish to god it was in the form of Mystery Science Theater or Rifftrax. Only way to watch dribble like this or Twilight

      • Captain Howdy

        Bella, bang some of that embalming fluid you got laying around and it will seem much funnier.

        • Bella Legosi

          Dare I say that there just isn’t a drug or combo of drugs out there to make this shit entertaining once you have gone down the Rabbit Hole that is the cult……kinda like watching Spencer Tracy priest movies now a days when you know at the time they were made and even now Priests were molesting children all over the world.

      • Robert Long

        The Rifftrax of BE is an absolute classic, appropriately brutal to its ‘Source’ material. Highlights include 90 seconds of Kevin Murphy’s frank (though not uncensored, whole lotta *bleep*-ing) assessments of Scientology and LRH. He is neither diplomatic nor gracious.

      • hogarthian

        What’s ‘little boots’?

        • http://www.facebook.com/kim.obrien.775 Kim O’Brien

          nick name for Napoleon Bonaparte ( infer short tyrant David Miscavige )

          • hogarthian

            oh I SEEEEEEEEEE…… of course! ffs.

          • Captain Howdy

            Actually “Little Boots” was one of my historical favs, Caligula.

            • http://www.facebook.com/kim.obrien.775 Kim O’Brien

              oh shit ..you are right ..Bonaparte was the ” little corporal “…my bad .

            • http://www.facebook.com/people/Robert-Eckert/100002715429426 Robert Eckert

              And George McClellan (astonishing inept general in the American Civil War) was called “the little Napoleon” although he wasn’t all THAT little.

        • Bella Legosi

          That’s my name for Dave, dear leader. Little Boots was a nickname given to Caligula when he was a boy, cuz he danced so well to the funky Roman military hustle. Caligula onced made his horse a Senter, made officals slaute the horse, commanded the sun to rise because he declared himself a God. Just purely batshit crazy. Oh and he whored out the wives of the senetors from rome along with

          common protitutes. Which i

          • RMycroft

            Oddly enough, his horse always voted Neigh! You’d think that he would have appointed a Yes Mare.

            • Captain Howdy

              “his horse always voted Neigh!”

              Must have been a republican. : )

            • RMycroft

              I don’t think it would be healthy to be a republican in the Roman Empire in those days.

          • hogarthian

            okay….. relax guys…. I get the picture, clear as day! ;-)

            • Observer

              Never let it be said that the Bunkerites are unhelpful. lol

            • hogarthian

              They are beyond helpful!

        • Observer

          Gaius Caesar was better known by his childhood nickname, which means “Little Boots”: Caligula.

          • RMycroft

            Are we going by Suetonius, The Twelve Caesars? (I have the Graves translation.) That man was a fricking hero of documentation by citing his sources! Those sources could be wrong, but at least he cited them. In comparison, what we know of the War of the Roses is worse than the worst celebrity gossip column. (Oh, except that we’ve found Richard III dead in a parking garage. Drug deal gone wrong?)

            • jojo neal

              Under a parking lot, and of course he was found dead there, he’s been dead quite a while now, but he died somewhere else. And don’t knock the guy. He was a good king in an impossible situation.

            • RMycroft

              So Richard III (or Three-eyed Dick), leader of the Plantagenet gang, was killed elsewhere and then buried under a parking lot? That definitely sounds like a crime syndicate settling of scores. I hear that he crossed the Tudor gang, a nasty bunch who’d have your guts for garters in an instant.

            • http://www.facebook.com/people/Robert-Eckert/100002715429426 Robert Eckert
            • jojo neal

              Very bad indeed!
              Thanks a lot Robert; I had to listen to my kids sing the theme song for years. Now I’ve got it stuck in my head EEEEE

            • FistOfXenu

              They had to put him under a parking lot. Giants stadium was still way in the future.

        • Bella Legosi

          I get a little dorktacular when it comes to history, deviants, and all manners of movies good and bad. My mind is full of stuff like this lol wanna talk Kennedy Assassination….oh soorry wrong blog =)

      • CraftLass

        Ha! Re: Battlefield Earth, it must be watched with very snarky friends so you can turn it into your own MST3K. That is exactly how I survived Twilight (my friend and I almost got booted out of the theater for laughing so hard, one of the funniest B-movies (C? D?) I’ve ever seen). Space Camp is another movie that actually gets awesome if you have snarky enough company.

        Ugh, did I just reveal that I almost never watch good movies? Only crap that can be easily mocked? Ed Wood did a number on me as a kid…

  • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

    Thanks for the information about Narconon. I have learned that even when I think Scientology has reached rock bottom, it can go lower.

    I am not going to play vote ‘em off the island with Paul Haggis or Jason Beghe. I have a very short list of heroes and both these men are on it.

  • Andrew Robertson

    In New Zealand, Narconon operates under the name RehabNZ, “100% New Zealand owned and operated!”

    But looking at their website, the references to Narconon and other Scientology entities makes it very obvious that in fact it is 100% Scientology owned and controlled.

    Just assuming that the figures they trumpet are accurate, an hypothesis which would raise a sceptical eyebrow in anyone with even a rudimentary knowledge of the Church of Scientology’s history of honesty, it would suggest that Narconon is an extremely profitable business.

    [...]

    “The Narconon drug rehabilitation program operates 50 centers in 21 countries, including Argentina, Australia, Brazil, Canada, Colombia, Denmark, France, Germany, Ireland, Italy, Kazakhstan, Mexico, the Netherlands, New Zealand. Russia, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, Ukraine, the United Kingdom and the United States.”

    “More than a quarter-million drug-free lives have been achieved through L. Ron Hubbard’s technology. In addition, an estimated one million people worldwide have availed themselves of Narconon’s drug education services, including more than 115,000 school children in 1997 alone.”

    [...]

    A quarter of a million successes out of the one million who ‘availed themselves of Narconon’s services’ suggests a 25% success rate which is slightly less than Scientology claims.

    But the failures have to pay as well, (there being no money back guarantee) and 1,000,000 times $35,000 equals quite a large number of dollars.

    So, continuing bad publicity and stern scrutiny by the appropriate government authorities of the effectiveness of Narconon’s program would be very unwelcome to the Church of Scientology.

    http://www.rehabnz.co.nz/

    Andrew

    • Captain Howdy

      I’ve never heard of a detox that demands cash up front, it’s either your own insurance of it’s a “free bed” covered by the State. The fact they demand $35,000 in cash or check before you even you walk through the door should be a dead give away to anybody, but people are desperate and not thinking clearly. All i know is if they took me to a detox and told me they weren’t going to give me any meds to detox there’s no way they could have kept there.

      Great job by The Tipping Point staff as usual.

      • Poison Ivy

        I think the “dead agenting” of other rehabs helps that $35,000 seem low…when they give the prices of Promises (which has a TERRIBLE success rate – but great spa treatments, apparently!) and others. Makes the $35,000 sound fair. Interesting that they don’t talk about Hazleden, the “dean” of rehabs.

        • Captain Howdy

          Best detox I ever went to was my first, Faulkner Hospital, and it was downhill after that !

      • grundoon

        Narconon has to demand payment up front because no insurance will cover it.

        • RMycroft

          Narconon’s line that they “accept any insurance” is such a classic! It’s not an outright lie, but it is a complete deception. Of course they want payment up front, and the family will be reimbursed by the insurance later, when Hell has an NHL hockey team.

          I wouldn’t say that no insurance will cover it. There are some companies on the far end of the Stupid bell curve.

    • Andrew Robertson

      Reflecting on how Church of Scientology spokesmen are master ‘word weaselers’ the one million might include all the children they’ve lectured to when they slithered into schools in their ‘secular’ role.

      But Narconon’s attempts to ‘safe point’ Scientology in New Zealand schools have not gone unnoticed:

      ‘Anti-drug campaign under fire’

      http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/6481062/Anti-drug-campaign-under-fire

      [...]

      Drug education experts say the information in the pamphlets funded by the grants is not based on science, and should not be given government money or disseminated by schools.

      [...]

      Though realistically, assuming a 25% success rate, a hopelessly generous figure, that still means Narconon is raking in the money.

      Andrew

    • monkeyknickers

      I am genuinely confused about why Narconon’s “we are not connected to Scientology” argument even EXISTS. I mean to say, EVERY time one of the celebrity sheep start bleating about Scientology during press junkets or interviews, they almost ALWAYS lay claim to the program . . . . much like Tom Cruise’s “we ARE the authorities on getting people off drugs,” . . . . it just seems weird to me that the discussion even exists for either entity.

    • Snippy_X

      It’s good to know the new names they are using, now that the Narconon brand is damaged. Note they run the drug *rehab* and the drug *education*. The later is presentations in schools or at county fairs where they tell kids ALL drugs are poison, even their doctor prescribed anti-seizure meds, etc. They have been known to tell kids they need quit school and join Sea Org right now, because the world is going to end in two years and if they want to save their parents …

      Also, I think they busted the NN in Kazakhstan for having smuggled in unapproved medicines (mega-dose vitamins) and for operating without licensed staff. The building was returned to the government in Oct 2010.

  • Captain Howdy

    I’ve been in a “few” detoxes, holdings and half way houses, and none of them were as bad or hellholish as what I’ve heard described about narconon. Everybody involved in this scam needs to go to jail. If this were China they’d be lined up against a wall and shot like the a-holes selling the bad baby formula were.

    As far as voting goes I’m going Harvey Dent style..and the winner is…Jason Beghe !

  • Sidney18511

    Now this SMERCH IS TOUGH! I loves me some Jason Beghe and Haggis got the whole Lawerance Wright book going. What to do? Gotta go with funny, sexy Jason.

    • EnthralledObserver

      Shhh… agree… *steals away quietly* ;)

  • Anonymous

    My vote is for Jason “Let me meet a motherfuckin’ Clear” Beghe!

  • Bella Legosi

    Wow, when I was 16 I got a job as a telemarketer for windsheilds. Their scripts and tone are simular. Goes to show even the mighty “religion” can stoop as low as windsheild telemarketers.

    What is your ruin NarCONon? Other then being a bastard spawn of a money mongering cult with foundations in lunicy and marketing skills of Rokerfeller’s father……not a damn thing! Captain I have to agree that China style disciplines what I would like to see here, this really made me angry enough to condone such action

    • Captain Howdy

      I was watching 60 Minutes last nite about the steroid horror debacle and I was thinking the same thing, It’s just like the financial meltdown. No one’s gone to jail, no one is going to be punished like they should have been. It makes me MAD, MAD I tell you ! It’s guillotine time, kids.

      • Bella Legosi

        I AM AS MAD AS HELL AND I’M NOT GONNA TAKE THIS ANYMORE!!!!! That should be the battle cry……what is really disturbing is that this psudo-hypnotic “treatment” can be COURT ORDERED! F * * K THAT! That needs to be nipped in the bud before they kill/and or damage more people. I have known drug addicts of all kinds and anything Scientology has to offer is definitely damaging to their state of minds which are already messed up and the best thing that it produces is another Scientology Water drinking cultie…….Scientology water…….not as sweet as Jim Jone’s Village Kool-Aide but just as effective.

      • Bella Legosi

        Now now Captain lets not get our emotions outta control……..you don’t want to be considered an “imminent threat” do you? I don’t know what is worse…….a planet full of “clears” or just a few thousand hardcore believers.

      • Robert Long

        Hot tar…check.
        Down pillows…check.
        Anyone know where I can find a rail?

        • 1subgenius

          I’d horsewhip them if I had a horse.

          • FistOfXenu

            Buy a horse.

        • RMycroft

          This is the modern age. You just need a lemon zester, and a lot of lemons.

  • sugarplumfairy

    I’m just gonna have to vote twice today..

  • 10oriocookies

    There is a scientologist in Michigan (Per Wickstrom) who has taken these scripts to a whole new level. Low level that is. He uses a fake name (Kevin Little) and has been seen impersonating an Indian man to a credit card company so he could open lines of credit to get money for the program. Even after running Stone Hawk into the ground, NN Int decided to give him okay to open up 2 more centers. Tell me they arent money motivated…..

    • sugarplumfairy

      I adore you, Eric.. You too, Luke..

      • Poison Ivy

        Ditto.

        • 10oriocookies

          Thanks, but that is the wrong attitude. They should be watching their backs. And fronts. No longer should the public have to be tricked into sending their loved ones to these pseudochurches. No longer should good hearted staff be taken advantage of. No longer should people die at these places. NO LONGER.!!! If saying that or doing something about it pisses them off or starts some sort of retaliation against me then so be it. Bring a lunch and a friend because you will be in for a loooooooong fight.

          • FistOfXenu

            I like the way this man thinks! 10oriocookies, I’m going to start wearing a hat all the time again, just so I can have handy to take it off to you and others like you that inspire me.

            • 10oriocookies

              Thanks bud. Throw your hands in the air friend, the roller coaster is just about to start.

            • EnthralledObserver

              Yiippeeee! :D

      • aquaclara

        Echoing the best…we love you! And keep watching your backs, please!

    • CoolHand

      Phil Hart (Executive Director of Narconon International) stuck up for Per repeatedly and even let Per stay at his house in LA while he was undergoing security checks at one of the churches there. You know, the same Phil Hart that worked for the Guardian’s Office before running the Narconon network…

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      One of their pissed off victims mentions in this 2010 report that he was told Kevin Little was the Director.

      http://www.ripoffreport.com/emergency-services/a-forever-recovery/a-forever-recovery-holly-liar-db246.htm

  • http://twitter.com/sandyshores50 Sunny Sands

    A little off-topic, but 3 years ago my niece moved here and was job hunting. We are in cult land, and I wanted to inoculate her against working for a Sci owned co. It turns out she had already visited at a cult company, and they had put on the app they utilize LHR methods, which at the time she didn’t know what it meant. It set off some alarms in her head, and she trashed the app and left. It’s just really important to keep talking about it and informing people.

    • Unex Skcus

      I so agree. The more info that’s disseminated about the ‘house of horrors’, the less they can suck people in, in the first place.

  • http://www.facebook.com/donniehharris Don Harris

    Maybe it is Time to readdress the First Amendment and the rights of religion That are becoming in fact Mir common Corporations.AS Corporations are becoming as Religions with un responsible and untouchable religion like Powers.Paying 0 taxes as they cheat lie and deceive the common man.former candidate for Governor of Indiana 2012

  • FistOfXenu

    So how are we supposed to pick this time? One wears glasses? One has more hair? I’ll go with Paul Haggis for the way he looks so calm about it all.

    Oh yeah, and Due South. Love that show.

  • scnethics

    I’ve known about a half dozen scientologists (or their children) who were treated at Narconon and none of them stayed clean. I never asked any of them about the treatment, but it would have given me pause if I had realized it was just the Purification Rundown and TRs and Objectives (the first two steps on the “Bridge”)! All of these people had completed those steps and more when they became addicts. As usual, when the treatment fails, it’s not because Narconon (Scientology) doesn’t work. It’s because of some fundamental flaw with the person.

    • Poison Ivy

      Like everything in Scientology, it’s the fault of the person, not the “tech”. A very convenient business model, “It didn’t work because…you pulled it in,” etc.

  • BosonStark

    If there’s one thing most clams develop a skill for, it’s selling, and except for poor people caught in a natural disaster, there’s hardly a more vulnerable “mark” than a drug addict or their desperate family, and many of those people have some money. This level of deception though, where they’re pretending to be an open referral service, seems like it could backfire, especially as families who had children treated unsuccessfully find out how they were manipulated, some thanks to Tony.

    Scientology itself — auditing, courses — is in a downward spiral but if they can morph into enough lucrative ventures like this where key people can make a healthy profit, they’re going to be in business a long time. Even if Narconon were to be shut down permanently, they’ll morph into real estate, art, chiropractic, , Internet entrepreneurship, sales courses — whatever can be sold enthusiastically by people who think that one element of it is helping to save the planet, before it’s too late.

    There were always people who were making a healthy profit, like Katselas selling his acting students into Scientology and getting a percentage of what they spend, but now Scientology has more money than ever to spread that model to all its ventures. They’ll still have to keep their model of slave wage employees though, but key people who can bring the marks in, will be rewarded more than in the past.

    The selling of secrets that are freely available on the Internet just can’t work like it used to so they are going to play more on people’s desperation to earn money by selling the front group’s packages.

    • CoolHand

      True, but I think it is fading fast, as more of the general public is becoming aware of their scams. The main source of funding is feeding on those who are already members, which is a business model that can’t survive long-term since the percentage of people leaving is higher than the percentage of new recruits.

      • Poison Ivy

        I hope you’re right. What I don’t get is how they keep so many public “whales” on the hook (and giving, giving giving.) These are people who by definition have to interact with wogs for their businesses, correct? Is it the search for immortality that turns them on? The constant confirmation that yes, they ARE superior to the rest of us? But how do they put up with the sec checking as they rise higher? (That’s partly what drove Jason Beghe out.) Do they get a kid-glove handling by the sec checkers based on how much they’re worth?
        There is a solution to this, however. If IRS no longer allows donations to CO$ to be fully tax-deductible, the whale donations will go down even if they remain (inexplicably!!) loyal to the “church.”

        • CoolHand

          Part of the whole thing is having to admit that you were duped or wrong in some way. That’s a tough pill to swallow when your entire existence is fully invested in something like that. Quite a bit of water is needed to get the slate completely wiped clean. I’m still cleaning, and I wasn’t a “whale,” though definitely a True Believer.

          • Poison Ivy

            True that, Luke. I would imagine, for a “whale” (or a Tom Cruise-level celebrity) – someone with a lot of financial success and (usually) the ego to go with it – to admit that they had been scammed for basically a lifetime would be almost impossible to bear. Let alone have your entire belief system called into question. Keep up the cleansing; CoolHand – you will be a better person that most when all is said and done.

    • EnthralledObserver

      What’s concerned me for a while is that when (I say this optimistically) CO$ does go down, how will the economy handle the thousands of people who relied in some way on the CO$ to pay their living expenses or provide them with an income through the re-selling of LRH products/services etc? This is going to be a bit of a drain on the housing sector and charity sectors and social security sector for a while. And what happens to all the people from other countries who were brought in to slave for the Sea Org? None of them have any other means of supporting themselves, so someone/some entity is going to have to step up…

  • FistOfXenu

    This story from Oklahoma is worth a look, including interviews with lawyers for the families of the dead.

    http://www.newson6.com/story/21569353/attorney-for-families-who-died-at-narconon-speaks-out-about-latest-controversy

    THAT’S what all the $cientarCONon hard sell and lying is about. Bastards!

  • FistOfXenu

    The trouble with publishing so much of what $cientarCONon says about itself, like the ads yesterday and now these scripts, is it gives OTVIIIisGr8! less chance to post anything. The lies they tell about themselves and the ridiculousness of their methods is far more idiotic than any parody anybody could invent about them. I think they found a way to make themselves mockery proof. They come up with the harshest ridicule imaginable and then they make it policy and they publish it. Stats, techniques, all gets the treatment. After that, anything else anybody says about $cientarCONon looks charitable by comparison.

  • Ms. B. Haven

    I briefly looked thru some of these documents and what stood out for me was the ridiculous assertion that family members of addicts were in ‘lower conditions on their 2nd dynamic, most likely treason or confusion’. That is the biggest crock of shit that I have ever heard. Families of addicts who are seeking help for their loved ones are in a condition of desperation. When someone is desperate, they are easily vulnerable to a con artist. Scientology puts the con in narCONon.

    • CoolHand

      Exactly, that’s what stood out for me and I commented on the Tipping Point thread about that. Scientology teaches arrogance.

      • Poison Ivy

        “Scientology teaches arrogance.”
        I can think of no crime worse than taking away a human being’s capacity for empathy.
        It’s taking away the best of what makes us human.

  • FistOfXenu

    Before I head off to get something done, I stumbled on a work around for one part of the Disqus problem. Andrew and some others reported trouble getting to the “show more comments” button and some different ways of getting to it. I found this and posted it earlier today on yesterday’s story but then it vanished. Maybe if I stick it here again some more people can try it and see if it works for anybody besides me. I don’t know how to format quotes in posts so I’ll make something up as I go.

    ===== begin quote =====

    1. Reload page.

    2. Wait for it to load.

    3. Scroll to bottom. IF you get the “Show more comments” button click it.

    4. IF you don’t get it, do the following. 1st, click and hold a word near the bottom that isn’t a link. Make sure it isn’t a link. 2nd, now still holding the click drag down as if you’re highlighting the text. This should make you scroll down the rest of the way. Keep going until it stops.

    5. Now you should have the “Show more comments” button again. If you don’t, you let go of the click too soon. Repeat 4.

    6. Keep doing this until you don’t get any more “Show more comments” buttons.

    It works for me. Hope it helps.

    ===== end quote =====

    EDIT: This doesn’t stop Disqus from giving up on refreshing posts automatically. Disqus just seems to go on vacation at about 200 posts or sometimes less. But at least it makes all the manual page refreshes a little quicker.

    • t1kk

      Thanks. I have Disqus looking into what’s going on. In the meantime, an easier way to get the ‘show more comments’ button to appear is to simply collapse one of the threads toward the bottom of the page. You do that by clicking on the minus symbol near the upper right of a post that begins a particular thread.

      • FistOfXenu

        I saw that t1kk but I like to open comments up as much as possible first so I can keep better track of what I’ve read. At least for me Disqus arranges them in threads according to time but then adds the later ones in a strange way. I only noticed when I did a page refresh and saw that a comment I was looking for had moved to a different place in the discussion. So now I do the whole bunch at once before I start reading them. Right up to when Disqus completely dies it adds comments as they appear with a little yellow place holder. At least that way I get most of the posts at first. Of course then we hit some magic number that only Disqus knows and it’s not worth trying.

        • t1kk

          Disqus arranges them by either newest, oldest, or most highly rated, but it keeps thread discussions intact. But often, replies to threads will appear as simply new if you reload from the yellow button at top when new comments come in. My suggested workaround of collapsing a thread to get the ‘load more comments’ button to appear is only meant to be temporary–uncollapsing immediately after retrieving the new comments doesn’t have the effect of re-hiding the ‘load more comments’ button.

    • Missionary Kid

      For those of you using non-Apple browsers, Control+End takes you to the bottom, Control+Home takes you to the top.

    • grundoon

      Seems to be fixed now.

      • FistOfXenu

        Yeah, now that we’ve figured out ways to beat it.

        • t1kk

          They kindly fixed upon my request: “@disqushelp: @tikk10 We’ve disabled the feature that was causing this issue until we can get a fix together. Thanks for the report! -Amanda”

          • FistOfXenu

            Well, thanks for chasing this one. I think I say that for a lot of people. ;)

  • California

    This is excellent information. I am forwarding it to every director of county Alcohol and Drug Programs. It will take a few days for the phone calls, etc., but it is, I think, time well-worth spending.

    Plus, of course, this needs to be brought to the attention of the substance abuse rehab over-sight agencies in state government. These agencies are now grappling with “parity.” “Parity” means to bring the substance abuse and mental health programs (public and private, with just a few exceptions) under identical state over-sight laws/rules/regulations. Various committees on both sides of state governments are charged with this task and I think that deceptive advertising and “funneling” of potential clients should be addressed by these committees, as well. But they need FACTS.

    And we will be contacting every rehab counselor and public education counselor that we know…..

    Everyone, please do the same in your state and local regions ….. people do not understand how devious and insidious both the soft and hard sell is from Narconon to desperate families.

    I am finishing up Luke’s book today and I recommend it to anyone who wants to understand how easily good people get sucked into the life of deception…. and many of them, of course, like Luke have the fortitude to get out. But only a very few have the energy and drive to delineate their journey. Thank you, Luke.

  • California

    http://www.news9.com/story/21569353/attorney-for-families-who-died-at-narconon-speaks-out-about-latest-controversy

    Attorney for families who died at Narconon speaks out about latest controversy.

  • California

    And it just keeps getting to be a better and better Monday:

    http://www.wireservice.ca/index.php?module=News&func=display&sid=9908

    Narconon Trois-Rivieres Charitable Status Revoked.

  • Chocolate Velvet

    I just want to express my immense gratitude to everyone involved in bringing the truth to light. The momentum is building, and the dox are piling up, thanks to the efforts of good people committed to righting an enormous wrong.

    Mary, Luke, Eric, et al, and especially YOU Tony. Without this ready outlet for information and documentation that is solidly anchored by your experience and credibility as a journalist, this whole process would not be rolling along the way it is.

    Thank you for the work you do, all of you!
    – CV

  • Observer

    Not completely off-topic: this blog refers to an incident where a reporter was threatened with death by a NarCONon employee, and another NN death threat David Love got. There’s also a heartwarming little note from Mankind’s Greatest Friend.

    http://nomoreliesscn.blogspot.com/2013/03/threats-of-death-and-violence-from.html?m=1

    • Snippy_X

      Wow! Paints quite a picture.

  • http://www.angrygaypope.com/ Angry Gay Pope

    Looking forward to seeing these docs bounce around in court papers!

  • RMycroft

    Narconon Gulf Coast has claimed 90% success rate on their web site for many years now. It’s about as believable as a Stalin-era Soviet five year plan.

  • DeElizabethan

    Jason Beghe was most instrumental in my debugging when I started looking. His video from Hamburg Germany was spot on perfect and I have to honor him for his honesty and help.
    Paul Haggis I got to know from Tony’s blog and he is a terrific person and has done so much to help others too.

  • Jgg2012

    This ties in with the legal issue surrounding Co$. Yes, they can have any religious beliefs they want to, but they cannot fraudulently say they are a medical clinic. Goolgle “Molko v. Unification Church”. In that case, the Moonies had group houses that pretended to be youth hostels and fraudulently induced people to join; the fraudulent inducement was held NOT to be protected religious activity (though they could have said “here is what we are and what we believe” and that would be fine).

  • DeElizabethan

    This article is a wonderful exposure of the insidious cult’s ways. Thank you Mary, Eric, Lucas and Stacey and Tony O.

    • Ze Moo

      While this article refers only to NarCONon, pretty much all scam telemarketers and many ‘legitimate’ businesses use similar scripts and methods. Always do your research and never give important info to any caller. You lose many protections when you call the marketer, always beware.

      http://business.ftc.gov/advertising-and-marketing/telemarketing

  • http://www.facebook.com/kim.obrien.775 Kim O’Brien

    Jason gets my vote cause i think he is hot and i like it when he swears

    • http://www.facebook.com/gayle.smith.3994 Gayle Smith

      True facts!

  • Johan

    The stats: 75, 80, 85, 90%. If we wait a while they will surely claim 120% recovery – whereby they not only guarantee to cure anyone that comes through their doors, but also cure people that weren’t even drug addicts! (Yet!) all of the sales pitches have that same scientology whif of hysteria, once you recognize it you will run and run….
    Have to go with Paul Haggis, he is my hero.

    • RMycroft

      It’s like the Way to Happiness pamphlets which have totally brought peace to the middle-east, or utterly reduced crime to nothing in South-American countries. Their Reality-Checks have bounced!

    • FistOfXenu

      Big Bean Tom Cruise showed them the way in Minority Report. By summer they’ll be able to predict when the addicts of the future will take their 1st hit of a drug and stop it.

    • PreferToBeAnon2

      “but also cure people that weren’t even drug addicts”

      Johan, they are already doing that. For example, Kyle Brennan’s father tried to send him to NarCONon for “rest and relaxation” while he got off his psych meds. He was not a drug addict. We all know the tragedy that occurred when his meds were taken away from him.

      Tony, suggestion: Kyle’s mother is starting to speak out. It’s all she can do now that the Dandar-judge manipulations sabotaged the case. She would be a great interview! She did a good job here: http://www.blogtalkradio.com/god-discussion/2013/02/16/blind-justice-a-mother-speaks-out-scientology

  • Poison Ivy

    First off, isn’t this BLATANT FRAUD – this non-referral referral? Not like everything about Narconon isn’t fraud….but….something about the “scripted” quality of the fraud really burns me up (nomore than my usual visit to the bunker burns me up…)
    Secondly, Haggis vs. Beghe???!! Tony you are torturing us!! I love Jason (went to college with him though I doubt he remembers me – he was a BMOC in the theater dept) and he was one of the earliest, most courageous public scientologists to tell it like it was (and he paid the price, too) but I think Wright’s article in the NewYorker on Haggis (and his retelling of some of the details in “Going Clear”) have done more widespread damage. This is like a daily “Sophie’s Choice.”

  • hogarthian

    You know… it’s a tricky one, this SMERSH Madness (as usual). Being a never-in… Paul Haggis ‘spoke’ to me, because I know his films. Jason I hadn’t heard of, but that didn’t matter, ‘cos once I started to delve, I realised what a fabulous spokesperson he is….. “show me a mother fucking clear!”.. kinda brings it home.

    Many addiction clinics charge, most do, in fact. Our own Priory here in the UK has come under fire for being too expensive and not producing the results, however…… there is an Atlantic Ocean of difference between those who charge and those who charge and charge and charge and brainwash and charge and suck the life out of you and charge blurrghhh…….

    The only thing I can compare this practice too is the selling of timeshare properties. That’s how unbelievable it is!… that’s the ONLY thing I can compare it to.

    It’s a whole new level of fucked-upness. Not content with brainwashing your average vulnerable (?) Joe Bloggs on the street, they also now brainwash your average vulnerable parent/friend/partner of a vulnerable person. There are SO many issues here that it makes my brain short-circuit.

    I am SPEECHLESS (well, obviously not quite speechless). What worries me is that, as much as I am reassured by the many posts that read ‘the end is nigh’… I’m not convinced that it is. I never fail to be stupefied by the ability of people to bury their heads in the sand. But at least the avalanche has begun.

    Thank you Tony for further opening my eyes… if it wasn’t for this blog I wouldn’t know who tenoreocookies and coolhand were, or Jason Beghe. I wouldn’t have fallen in love with Tory, or out of love with Debbie Cook.

    And yes, BuryTheNuts2, I have had wine.

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    Scripts like these are pure scientology. One part deceptive and two parts manipulative. The common denominator is an attempt to terrorize the mark by smashing their face into past or current trauma. It is expected he or she will then lay out their sacrificial offerings to keep that devil from slithering back for another visit. They are centered around Hubbard’s emotional tone scale which is why scripts are used. They believe the exact Hubbard “technology” will bring a result and the desired result is always moar money. If the salesman doesn’t get the dime, he didn’t do the Hubbard right. And because scientology is a fanatical terrorizer, the ends justifies the means. This is why hard core criminals as well as hard core victims alike are attracted to scientology and hang on forever. If there isn’t a sneaky script and unscrupulous sale, it isn’t scientology.

    Sales Scripts are used for Personality Tests and OCA tests in scientology:
    http://www.scientology-lies.com/fraud/oca_sf_results.html
    http://www.xenu.net/archive/oca/oca.html

    Sales Scripts are used in Boiler Room Telemarketing Style scientology call centers:
    http://www.tampabay.com/news/scientology/pervasive-pitch-scientology-book-and-lecture-series-the-basics-unleashes-a/1201177

    Sales Scripts are used in many businesses run by scientologists:
    https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/alt.religion.scientology/_qpEKpPl7Vw
    http://www.mail-archive.com/ctrl@listserv.aol.com/msg30559.html
    http://tampabay.jobing.com/Job_Details2.asp?JobID=2536767

    I accidentally came across this picture. I believe it’s at celebrity centre for a wedding. I recognize the guy in the middle, infamous Squirrel Buster Ed Bryan. In this group photo, though, he’s back to regular business. I’m keeping this one.

    [URL=http://imgur.com/K3aImsy][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/K3aImsy.jpg[/IMG][/URL]

    • Poison Ivy

      Wow, THDNE, what a cache of damning dox!

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        I’ll bet there are former employees of one of the many scientology WISE businesses that might still have a copy of their script. It would be helpful to see one and compare it to the Narconon spiel. The personality test patter is already there. So if anyone out there has one, it would be an interesting read. I have Heard the script lines myself, but I wasn’t sales so don’t have one. I never lasted very long in any activity involving sci’s even when I was one. I just wasn’t steely enough.

        • RMycroft

          You mean that you weren’t stealy enough.

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            or Dan enough.

    • SP ‘Onage

      Nice!

    • jojo neal

      A bunch of fat , silly rapidly-aging dudes trying to look like mafiosi – oh dear.
      Allow me a private rant. Those faux clerical collars really infuriate me. Those collars have a particular meaning, completely indigenous to only one religion on earth. Which, by the way, does not take out trademarks on its symbols.
      And yes, wow, THDNE, great dox!

  • CraftLass

    These scripts are so unsurprising yet so disturbing at the same time. I know exactly how it feels to watch someone you love fall into addiction and the mindset one has during that. You’re already thinking in doom-and-gloom terms and this plays on the fears that are already swirling. Scary, scary. Immense thanks to Catton, Tenorio, and Payne for doing the right thing. There is a piece of my heart reserved for whistleblowers like them and it’s swelling right now!

    Tony, did you bracket in such a way that you created mini-“leagues”? De la Carriere vs. Christman? Haggis vs. Beghe? The earlier ones weren’t as easily categorized together but these last two… lol

    They’re both awesome, but I think Haggis is getting my vote due to a tie-breaker of his inspiring Wright to create two of the finest pieces of journalism I’ve ever encountered. Finding the old New Yorker article (on the very day Katie left Tom) was my introduction to the truth and the reason I kept searching and found Tony. Going Clear helped me sort everything I learned up to it’s release into a more understandable timeline. So, yeah, it’s personal and maybe it’s Wright who deserves my vote, but since today’s contest is Haggis vs. Beghe, I’m with the inspiration.

    Though it’s really hard to vote against the, err, elegance of Beghe’s most famous line. ;-)

  • SP ‘Onage

    Heroes find themselves by searching for what they believe in and what they know is right. Thank you Mary McConnell, Eric Tenorio, Lucas Catton, Stacey Payne, and Tony Ortega.

  • richelieu jr

    I can’t believe I am saying this, but I find the whole soft-shoe remakarbly subtle for the CoS..

    Their constant money grobbing and obstinate refusal to sugar coat thier lies into anything remotely credible has always been one of their hallmarks- They don’t just offer you their boook, they offer to seel it to you at ful price; it’s not jsut that you should be discouraged from reading L Ron’s scribblings in OTIII, it’s that YOU’LL DIE OF PNEUMONIA!; Hubbard didn’t just serve in WWI He was decorated, sank subs, worked for intelligence, wad wounded multiple tiems and parctially brought himself back from the dead;

    Thier whole ‘compliment the other guy, be oh-sp-fair, then ‘try’ and find a place in thier less-posh but amazingly effective alternative (which for once doesn’t have L Ron’s picture palstered all over it).. Much more of the sneaky cult-like behaviour on hears about.. One of the Scilon’s bzesrt defenses for me has always been, ‘How can we be brainwashing? It is so OBVIOUS!’

    • FistOfXenu

      I think it’s called “hide the hook inside the worm”

      • hogarthian

        It’s also called “hiding in plain sight”.

  • http://lliira.dreamwidth.org/ Lliira

    I couldn’t decide who’s hurting the Co$ more so, for the first time, I just voted for the person I like more. (Also, Jason Beghe’s hot.)

  • SP ‘Onage

    75 to 80 percent, narCONon’s imaginary success number is closer to the relapse rate.

    • Captain Howdy

      “In 1998, the Substance Abuse and Mental Health Service Administration
      funded a study about rates of recovery for different drugs. The two
      drugs where relapse rates were extremely high were alcohol and
      heroin–86 percent and over 90 percent respectively. Cocaine has a
      relapse rate of 55 percent, while crack (a form of cocaine) has a much
      higher relapse rate of 84 percent. The highest rates of recovery are to
      be found among inhalants and hallucinogens, where only about 40 percent
      will relapse within the five year frame. For all narcotics taken
      together, including legal pain pills that are abused, the relapse rate
      is 69 percent.”

  • dwayners13

    Imagine if scientology was using this model/technique to scam family members who were looking for the best treatment centre for a loved one who was diagnosed with cancer. The media & various government agencies would be all over them, trying to expose them & ultimately shut them down. While these two issues may seem very different, when you look at the percentage of people who die from their addiction & how their addiction affects their families (their children, spouses & parents etc.,) you start to see, that in some ways there are a lot of similarities. When a parent is willing to max out their credit cards or take out a second mortgage to get their child help, it’s because they know the addiction can kill them. Furthermore, drug addiction happens to people from all walks of life. It happens to mothers & fathers after becoming addicted to prescription meds they used for legitimate reasons.
    So when the church of Scientology targets people who are addicted to drugs to the extent someone is willing to go into serious debt to save their life, it’s not too far away from going after families who have a loved one with cancer. And yes I know what it’s like to have a family member with cancer, I have an amazing little girl who beat it. I also watched my oldest brother battle with a serious drug addiction.

    • Observer

      The only value Scientology seems to put on a life is monetary, and once the financial potential is exhausted that life has no further value to them and is discarded. Sickening.

  • Sherbet

    Once upon a time, having found myself in a position of getting someone into detox and rehab, all I wanted to know was that there would be safety and healing inside the facility. Not guarantees, not “cures,” but a solid start on a clean path, and the sooner the better. That’s all the assurance I needed. After reading the leaked narconon scripts, I’m horrified at the slick logistical tactics that narconon uses to prey on people who are heartsick and desperate. But why am I surprised. It’s cos, and scam is what they do best.

  • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

    Because Scientology does such great work in Narconon, and because it does so without electroshocking or drugging patients, these alleged telemarketing sales scripts were obviously created by undercover Psychs sent in to sabotage and destroy the good name and work of Narconon.

    Psychiatry has a 0% success rate treating anything while Narconon has a 95% success rate. Do the math and you can see that the Psychs are foaming at the mouth and want to destroy Narconon.

    The Psychs set up Gary Smith and Mary Rieser as targets because they were at the forefront of bringing Narconon’s safe and effective programs to drug addicts who would otherwise wind up peeing into a cup every two hours at Betty Ford or Passages Malibu while some meat body hippie New Age “drug counselors” told them to do Yoga or some other such nonsense.

    So long as the Reactive Mind is unhandled on a planetary basis, the R6 bank will keep everyone enslaved to Psych implants and there will be Armageddon. This is why we in RTC insist that all of you need to donate to help get the Basics into every library in the world. In doing so, the world will at least have the modicum of a chance.

  • dbloch7986

    You should also include “gotten” in your list of Scientology terminology. They use that word so much it drives me nuts.

    The name for these documents is “patter” and here is yet another strange “religious” activity to add to your list of things that Scienologists do: “patter drills”. Scientologists practice repeating the words on these documents out loud, to a wall until they memorize the entire thing. They must repeat it, without looking at the paper, to the wall three times in a row with no mistakes while being watched by someone else before they are given a “pass” on the drill.

    I’ve heard that actors engage in a similar activity to memorize lines, but Scientology is the only place I’ve ever witnessed such an activity.

    The deceptive practice doesn’t shock me at all. As long as it is for the good of Scientology any activity is condoned by the church.

    • RMycroft

      Is that related to the “Chinese school” drills?

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Robert-Eckert/100002715429426 Robert Eckert

        Similar style of rote learning: get presented with a bunch of words, repeat them back (with or without understanding, that doesn’t matter). They call it “duplicating” and consider it a virtue.

  • Snippy_X

    OT (belongs with one of the Dianetics stories), but this Astronomy Picture of the Day is too good to put in an old thread. Truth is stranger than fiction.

    http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/astropix.html

    2013 March 11 APOD Image Credit & Copyright: Martin Rietze (Alien Landscapes on Planet Earth)

    • Observer

      OMG XENU IS BUSTING OUT OF HIS PRISON!

      Great pic. I wonder who’s being restimulated right now. lol

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Gerard-Plourde/1127841398 Gerard Plourde

    These scripts disclose the essence of LRH’s creation. It’s little different from the boiler room operations of barely-legal financial schemes, “Glengarry, Glenross”‘s high-pressure sales operation comes to mind.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      It’s not Like Glengarry, Glenross”, it IS Glengarry, Glenross. When I saw that movie, I wondered which scientology company it was modeled after. Whenever a scientologist takes Hubbard out of Scientology Fantasy Land and tries to ride him out in WogWorld, it quickly becomes a contest of who can cuss, scream, and fart the loudest at the sales team. I forgot the part about how the Management usually terrorizes and tortures their own staff too. High turnover of staff, and/or the business entirely vanishes, if in legal name only, is the result. They just keep popping up, different name, game is the same. It’s some kind of twisted criminal version of whack a mole. And some think scientologists don’t have any fun! ha

      http://youtu.be/MVHJrz6Sk7U

    • http://www.facebook.com/phil.mckraken.58726 Phil McKraken

      The practices depicted in Glengarry are much less destructive than what is shown in these Narcanon documents, considering what is being sold. I can’t think of an apt comparison from the movies, except perhaps Harry Lime.

    • Missionary Kid

      Actually, this type of sales has been going on since at least the 1920s, if not further, with the Florida sale of swampland, and has been repeated over the years for all sorts of scams.

  • Call_Me_Xenu

    There’s a very small, very devious part of me that would LOVE to have a coordinated script bombardment of these phone lines with “people” who need “help” that ties up lots of their resources.

    • Mary_McConnell

      :P

    • Snippy_X

      My neighbor used to complain that she couldn’t call her cousin down the hill because he always had that “phone thing” going. Then one day the FBI came and took the cousin away. It seems he had his modem auto dialing Jerry Falwell’s donation lines because the aunt gave the farm to Falwell’s church. The cousin cost Falwell some big dollars jamming his phone lines. I don’t know what happened to him after that. The FBI is funny like that.

      • Call_Me_Xenu

        Would never suggest anything to get one to do the illegal. But an on-going demonstration of first amendment rights juxtaposed with regard to a production of a semi-live piece of performance art based on parody sounds about right.

        Bit perhaps a bit too much chaos would reign down.

        Perhaps better yet would be to:

        1). Validate content aligns with current process
        2). Execute calls but as different people to see them look for the precious DM and OL

        • Snippy_X

          Performance art – of course! Lot’s of potential there. LOL already. Have the list of meds your “family member” is on right in front of you when you call. See also:

          Narconon Prank Call ( I’m 10m Tall )
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhOr9zSce8k

          Leaked Narconon Arrowhead Referral Call
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyAHFg7q30c

          • PreferToBeAnon2

            Thanks for posting those recorded calls. It’s one thing to read a script, quite another to actually hear it. Beyond disgusting.

  • DeElizabethan

    @Tory, I’m sorry I’ve searched, but I just can’t find the appropriate place to comment to you.

    You and I have something somewhat in common besides handling the enemies of Co$, or rather the victims as we prefer to call them. I took Dilantin for a minor phase of epliepsy back in the 70’s. They made me stop when I was going to join staff, but that didn’t work out. Years later I did stop taking it and grew out of it I guess. It was a physical thing having to do with pressure by stress on the brain, for me. Mostly I just got sick or fainted. Blessing to you and a joy to see you commenting here more.

  • Captain Howdy

    In closing I would like to dedicate this to all the Lilliputians still manning the Ship of Fools.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCNelxxc1JE

    “She was off loaded in the street and she can’t socialize”

    • Captain Howdy

      And last but not least i would like to dedicate this to Tony and everyone from “The Tipping Point”

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kd34UjP6Q3Y

      Now I will go watch last nights episode of “The Walking Dead” and pretend the Walkers are ..

  • Mr. Fabulous

    Not strictly related to Narconon, but this is the kind of thing that Ron’s “tech” can do for you:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNy-4xvI47I

    They poor guy probably wasn’t very stable before Scientology, but it’s proof positive that it can’t help you either.

    • EnthralledObserver

      Now that was disturbing. That guy, from what I’ve watched of LRH, really was in the valance (valence?) of Hubbard in the earlier footage. I wonder how much he resembled Hubbard’s end years in the later footage?

  • Artoo45

    Man, that was a tough selection. Haggis v. Beghe took about ten minutes for me to reckon. I chose Haggis, because of the sheer size of the crater he left on the battered face of Teegeeack. Beghe is more combative, funny and a good deal sexier, but his awakening was big news in the critic community but didn’t leave much of a dent in the hull of the S.S. Hubbard.

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