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RAID ON SCIENTOLOGY’S DRUG REHAB CENTER IN ATLANTA

Photo by WSB's Pete Combs

Photo by WSB’s Pete Combs

Pete Combs at Atlanta’s WSB Radio announced today that state and county officials entered Scientology’s drug rehab center in the Atlanta area — Narconon Georgia — and confiscated evidence in an ongoing state investigation of insurance fraud.

[Two important updates on this story below…]

Combs says that half a dozen officers, including two Gwinnett County police officers, entered the premises with search warrants today and then hauled away boxes of records and computers, and also interviewed employees.

Combs will soon have a detailed story about the raid, and we’ll link to it as soon as we can. (And here it is.)

Previously, the Atlanta coordinated media team of WSB Radio, WSB-TV, and the Atlanta Journal-Constitution had reported that a patient of Narconon Georgia had learned that her insurance company — United Healthcare — had been billed $166,000 for services that Narconon never performed. (Here’s the AJC‘s story about today’s raid. And here’s the story from WSB-TV.)

That reporting prompted state Insurance Commissioner Ralph Hudgens to launch a probe which resulted in today’s raid.

As Combs reports in his story, agents were interviewing employees to get passwords on the computers, hoping that it will reveal who actually billed the insurance company fraudulently — as Combs points out, only people, not companies, can be charged with insurance fraud in Georgia.

For the past year, we’ve been following developments at the Narconon facility, which grew out of a wrongful death lawsuit.

In 2008, Patrick Desmond died of a heroin overdose on a night he left Narconon Georgia’s housing facility after drinking heavily with other patients. His family sued Narconon Georgia and its umbrella organizations. Narconon argued that Desmond was responsible for his own death, but the lawsuit turned out to be disastrous for Narconon because of the documents and depositions that Desmond family attorney Jeff Harris was able to pry out of the organization over a tortuous two-year period. Those investigations turned up evidence that Narconon had lied to parents of potential patients, had lied to a Florida drug court, and had even lied in its depositions, resulting in harsh sanctions from Judge Stacey Hydrick.

Although Narconon managed to settle the case just days before a trial was set to begin, the damning evidence in the case prompted the state of Georgia to revoke the facility’s license and begin a fraud investigation.

The AJC‘s Christian Boone reported this comment from Jeff Harris: “On behalf of the numerous clients I represent who have been defrauded by Narconon’s bogus drug rehab scam I would like to applaud the Georgia criminal authorities for the actions they took today. I sincerely hope that this spells the end of this dangerous and deceptive operation.”

Some of our previous reporting on Narconon Georgia…

Feb. 8: Scientology settles rather than go to trial
Jan. 30: Narconon Georgia executive director Mary Rieser gets the heave-ho
Dec. 26: It shouldn’t have taken Patrick Desmond’s death to put Narconon on the hot seat
Nov. 9: Judge Stacey Hydrick slaps Narconon for acting like…Narconon

And at the Village Voice, where we first revealed evidence of Mary Rieser’s obfuscations from court records last August

We’ve also been following developments at another Narconon facility mired in controversy, its flagship facility in Oklahoma, known as Narconon Arrowhead. Given today’s raid in Atlanta, our earlier story about the bonanza in insurance money at the Oklahoma center might interest investigators.

 
UPDATE: We just talked with Gary Richardson, an attorney who is representing numerous clients suing Narconon’s flagship operation in Oklahoma for wrongful death and fraud.

“This is not surprising,” he said in regards to the news coming out of Atlanta today. “I’ve been saying for the last three or four months that I think they’ve been committing insurance fraud.”

He reminded us that one of the cases he’s handling does bring up the way Narconon Arrowhead was handling insurance. In the case filed by newspaper reporter Rachel Petersen, she alleges that Narconon told her that her insurance company had not paid all of the $10,000 it was billed — so she had to make up the difference, only to find that her insurance company had paid the money. That’s one of the claims she’s making in her complaint — she also said she witnessed Narconon employees trading drugs for sex.

“I think every state agency that has any authority over Narconon should be looking into its practices,” Richardson told us today.

 
UPDATE: Former Scientology spokesman Mike Rinder, over at his blog, has made some very strong statements about today’s raid.

— “Mary Rieser and anyone else at Narconon Atlanta will likely be thrown under the bus if ONLY because [church leader David] Miscavige figures they are so tainted that ANYTHING done to try to help defend them will blow back on the church and him because this whole Narconopalypse is being watched SO closely by the media.”

— “Not since the GO raids [FBI raids of Scientology in 1977] has anything like this happened. Will this small crack widen and some other government agencies decide they can get through the breach in what has been an impenetrable fortress for more than 30 years?”

— “The truth is that Narconon has been utterly criminal and deserve[s] to be convicted.”

— “I certainly hope there are some people in the DOJ who are following Tony Ortega’s stories.”

Hey, we certainly hope so too, Mike. We hope so too.

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on April 26, 2013 at 16:10
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  • mirele

    As long as narCONon was ripping just people off, nobody cared…but the moment it started going after insurance company money, the game changed. You f*cked up, NN! Reap the whirlwind!

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      [IMG]http://i42.tinypic.com/1sz2x4.png[/IMG]

  • mirele

    Hell of a Friday afternoon news dump, Tony!

    • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

      It is springtime in America.

      • Missionary Kid

        And, hopefully, fall for Co$, that will lead to an intense winter for it.

  • DuckBenway

    What a wonderful piece of news to arrive at the end of long week.

    Thank you, Tony! You are ever vigilant!

    Bravo!

  • BUHBAM!

    Hey, you murder some people, you’re gonna lose your computers, and probably the hinges on your doors too.

    • PreferToBeAnon2

      “…and probably the hinges on your doors too.” let’s hope they get the door knobs that those Idle Valley gals were hawking in that vid….

  • Amazing! Sounds like the responsible authorities actually got off their duffs and finally did something about blatant fraud of Narconon. It looks like they were pretty smart about it too, making sure to confiscate relevant docs before the Scientologists could shred them. FBI, are you paying attention? THAT’S doin’ it right!!!

    • John P.

      Unfortunately, given their obsession with shredders, Narconon may have shredded a lot of documents that are relevant to the inquiry. However, even if the cult has removed all the “smoking gun” documents, it only slows investigators down. They’ll go to all the insurance companies they can and ask who has paid claims to Narconon, and eventually will piece together a reasonably complete network of fraudulent claims, enough to put people in jail. Also, they can ask around to see if any docs reported strange billing — it sounds like the docs were unwittingly drawn in without their knowledge, given the statement about “the docs are fully cooperating with the investigation.” It will be interesting to see just how fast they can pierce the veil of all those shell corporations and reach up into the cult itself. I am thinking that post-PATRIOT Act, it’s a lot easier to steamroll through things like complex corporate structures than ever before. Popcorn, anyone?

      • mirele

        Pete Combs’ article states that Georgia law only allows for people, not corporations, to be charged. Perhaps it makes getting at those people via piercing the corporate veil easier?

      • OTVIIIisGrrr8!
        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          No, OTgrrrr8, No! Head on a Pike, remember! Now where’s my KR writing kit?

      • May_West

        Wonder if they used a file shredder on all their computers?
        Are they not obliged to keep records for x number of years?
        Hey DM, peel me a grape.

      • elar aitch

        I agree they’ve probably started shredding way back but getting rid of dodgy evidence probably leaves holes in required evidence.Auditors should be all over that stuff.

  • Tiny Fists must be really shitting himself now…. he’s hardly got anyone left to take the fall. Perp walk coming soon Davey boy!

    • Missionary Kid

      I’ll bet he’s working hard to make sure that he’s not connected to the evidence.

      The party line will be that some evil person snuck into the facility, and, for their own gain, overbilled. Of course, this is against the rules that are taught in The Most Ethical Religion in the World.

      The shit’s gonna get pretty deep.

      • It’s a little late to put that cat back in the the bag. A heap o’ information came out of the Desmond case on the NN/Scientology connection. Add to that, the lovely picture of DM in front of NN Arrowhead that Luke produced.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          [IMG]http://i39.tinypic.com/2dul6w4.jpg[/IMG]

          • BuryTheNuts2

            Oh look…Luke looks so handsome standing in this picture with the eccessiastical leader of the Scientology religion which is no way related to Narconon. Not to mention PORNSTACHE!!!!

            • Observer

              Wow, Pornstache is pretty shrimpy too. Luke looks positively Brobdingnagian next to them.

        • Missionary Kid

          I hope they share information, and bring the U.S. attorney in on this.

    • Observer

      I am giddy with excitement!

      Another repeat that’s even more appropriate now …

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        I wonder if Miscavige will repeat “It’s the psych’s, it’s the psych’s, I tell ‘ya!”

        http://youtu.be/N-MhRVj-zAo

        • PreferToBeAnon2

          Kirstie needs a good twitter right about now…

      • TongDaddy

        yes, please

    • Missionary Kid

      When I think about it further, I don’t think he’s worried that much. DM has a shitload of hubris, and he has disdain for the wogworld because he’s been able to manipulate it so much in the past. He will use this as a call to arms in clamworld and portray this as being another bout of persecution by psychs and SPs.

      I hope that all the crap that’s hitting the fan keeps him busier than the AFLAC duck trying to stop the many leaks in an old boat.

      Since he’s a control freak, he’ll insist on doing everything his way. Footbullet to follow.

      • Miscavige demonstrates vertical stats. Yep, he’s the only one that can make it go right…[img]http://tryimg.com/3/misca.gif[/img]

        • Missionary Kid

          As I’ve said before, he’s spring loaded to the fucked up position. I predict footbullets will ensue. I hope he meets the ground that way.

  • sugarplumfairy

    Yay!!!

  • MissCabbage

    I am speechless. I’d bet the maniacal midget is too!

    WTG, Atlanta!

  • TongDaddy

    I think we all kinda knew that NN was the way ‘in’ to dismantle this beast, and here it is, in full bloom!

    • Missionary Kid

      Unfortunately, this is just one snake of the hydra-headed monster.

      • PreferToBeAnon2

        There are approx 45 NarCONons worldwide left to go… we need to stab the heart of the monster!

        • Missionary Kid

          Yup. Hopefully, there’s a chain of evidence that shows that NARCOCRAP is working at the personal behest of DM, or at least Co$, then RICO.

      • TongDaddy

        There are no snakes in the bottom of your bed

      • TongDaddy

        There are no snakes in the bottom of your bed

      • TongDaddy

        There are no snakes in the bottom of your bed

  • Spackle Motion

    Wow! Law enforcement is starting to take notice…..FINALLY!

    Hey, FBI, what’s wrong with you that you can’t do the same to Scientology’s headquarters in FL and CA?

  • Ms. B. Haven

    Fraud doesn’t sit well with insurance companies. If a Narconon > ABLE > Scientology connection can be established, those insurance companies will find some mighty deep pockets to root around in. It’s a pretty sad state of affairs when one is left to cheer for an insurance company over a ‘church’.

    • Spackle Motion

      Chances are very good that the insurance companies were working with law enforcement on this. They most likely provided validating information of probable cause such as the submitted claims and EOBs.

      God, this is getting GOOD.

  • General reminder….

    • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

      NO EUROPEAN MEGARAID NO!

      All of this criminal Joking & Degrading must stop now!

      Everyone here is warned that we in RTC are in the middle of a serious legal matter and that there will be no more posting of “4Chan Party Vans” and the like.

      There will be no more “humor” posted about the Psych raid:

      http://i1284.photobucket.com/albums/a563/OTVIIIisGrrr8/Narconon1_zps498744d9.png

      • Observer

        Noooooooooo Pornstache! There’s not enough niacin in the world to run that out. *cries*

        • BuryTheNuts2

          The green goo would just block your pores and lead to an clogged…um…everything!

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        I have to buy you a beer for this one, OTGrrr8! Do you take 1 lump or 2 of the Niacin in yours?

        • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

          One lump or two?

          Thank you for asking, but what we in RTC actually would like is to have all of the charges dropped.

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            Drop it on Miscavige? Okee Dokee. I’ll make that 3 lumps. Feeeeeel the burn, baby!

      • Missionary Kid

        For those old enough to remember, it’s BUCKY BEAVER.

      • Captain Howdy

        Hey, at least Pedobear hasn’t been called in..yet. No telling what’s on those computers.

      • he looks like a gay cop from the 70’s

        • Captain Howdy

          Kim, Chief Daryl Gates just asked me to tell you there were no gay policeman in the 70’s, except for that guy in the Village People.

          • roger that .” I will take anal bum covers for $400 Alex “

            • seriously ?? no one got that reference??.. cause i just made a funny

      • Chocolate Velvet

        OTVIII, baby, I love you!

        • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

          SWAKR

          (Sealed with a KR)

          • sugarplumfairy

            lol..

  • SFFrog

    Hopefully this is the first of many headlines beginning with the phrase, “Raid on Scientology…”.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      and media will stop stepping on it by saying things like “critics allege Narconon is scientology related”. How hard is it to find David Miscavige’s own scientology organizing board showing Narconon as a feeder?

      Critics allege nothing! David Miscavige, leader of scientology, says so!

      [IMG]http://i44.tinypic.com/2059lcx.jpg[/IMG]

      • David Miscavige, leader of scientology, Perry says so!

        • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

          What a great photo of COB…

          Wait a minute!

          Grrrr….

  • gee…if only they were doing the puriff correctly . I mean …all the stuff LRH said really does work …but you have to do the tech correctly . If only people did it correctly …instead …they just pull this all in on themselves. Hey …does anyone know of a terminal that can do this stuff correctly ? There must be someone ….

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      My favorite smart-ass.

      • i can’t help myself . Someone posted on Marty’s blog that being controlled by another person is ok as long as they are nice .Not too long ago they had the balls to post that these deaths are because of bad tech delivery . It gets harder and harder to feel bad for these fuckwits so i have decided to just stop . I will keep my sympathy tucked safely away where those con artists can’t get anywhere near it

        • elar aitch

          Kim, you provide a very necessary balance to Sci-watching

          • i have never been in so my take on it is one of absolute – ” WTF ..you have to be kidding me with this shit ” ~ type of attitude

            • EnthralledObserver

              Ditto…

    • Missionary Kid

      “There must be someone…” and it sure as hell isn’t DM.

      • amen – but then again …no one can because it’s a farce

        • Missionary Kid

          Farce, fake, and fucking, cruel, lies: $cientology.

          • i am giving you a high five ( yes …i know i am lame )

            • Missionary Kid

              Back at ya!

  • BuryTheNuts2

    HOLY SHIT! I am popping a cork for sure tonight!
    This is so awesome.
    Oh, if I could just be a fly on DM’s wall right now…but way up out of his reach….like at the six foot level.
    Safety first!

    • Missionary Kid

      I actually feel sorry for the poor sea org members and sr. execs who will probably experience the wrath of his tiny fists over this.

      • Poison Ivy

        I know. It will be very difficult for the RTC minions tonight. And someone new will be thrown into the hole.

        • Missionary Kid

          Let’s hope whoever gets put there is the most capable, zombified, DM worshiper who can help DM out of this mess, and I hope it gets them to blow.

      • DeElizabethan

        I feel something that happens to them will help them wake up and get out! Sometimes a person only thinks for himself when they hit bottom and it can be helpful to SO members in order to change and wake the f**K up and not take it anymore. So can be a good thing imo.

        • Missionary Kid

          I believe you’re right… for some reason, the phrase “greater good” pops into mind, but I mean the greater good for the person.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Six feet? You are too generous…

  • Spackle Motion

    Let’s hope we get a delicious mug shot of Mary Reiser after she gets arrested (I would be very disappointed if they didn’t issue an arrest warrant following this raid).

    • Missionary Kid

      Co$ will hide her, because she can provide a ling between herself and Co$.

    • Ms. B. Haven

      If only the Stupor Power facility would have been opened by now. Mary would have Stupor Powers and be practically invincible!

  • ThetaBara

    > “…only people, not companies, can be charged with insurance fraud in Georgia.”
    Um, wait, I thought companies WERE ruled to be “people.”
    Only when it suits them?!

    • BuryTheNuts2

      I am sure the one’s who submitted the claims will sing like birdies.
      Narconon is sucking wind right now!!!

    • 1subgenius

      I’m not sure you would be happy with a corporation sitting in a jail cell.

      • ThetaBara

        You might be surprised!

        • 1subgenius

          I would be since its not possible.

    • Captain Howdy

      “I thought companies WERE ruled to be “people.””

      That only applies to buying elections.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      “We have a lot of information we’re seizing at this point” — so much, in
      fact, that a U-Haul was brought in to accommodate all the laptops, hard
      drives, billing records and other paperwork secured from Narconon’s
      offices off Peachtree Parkway, said Sherry Mowell, director of fraud
      investigation for the insurance commissioner. The seizure lasted most of
      the day.”

      Seize The Day!

  • Ze Moo

    It took them long enough. The allegations were made 3 months ago, how much evidence has been shredded and deleted? Thankfully, audit trails are not that hard to follow, just time consuming. Go Bulldogs……

  • Ze Moo

    From the WSBradio story:

    “I simply cannot believe that Narcanon would have the gall to try something like this again.’

    Again?? How many instances are there?? This is going be the stake in the vampires heart. Insurance companies will spend anything to claw back money. They almost always make an example of fraudsters. Its almost five oclock here on the east coast of USA, its Miller time….

    • Missionary Kid

      Hell, it’s 2 pm here on the left coast, and I’d say it’s Miller time here, too.

      I feel like a freeloader, jumping on the anti-Co$ bandwagon not too long ago. I’ve disliked the cult for over 50 years, but I share the joy and relief that the exes must feel every time that Co$ stumbles.

      It will be interesting to hear the spin that Co$ puts on this. Of course, they’re not connected… NOT.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Let’s ask Davey, shall we?

        http://youtu.be/N-MhRVj-zAo

        • Missionary Kid

          I’m too lazy to go back to the sources of all the crap that Davey boy cites. It’s all BS, I’m sure.

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            OTGrrrr8 gives a summary up above, or below.

            • Missionary Kid

              THANKS!

      • Pinkhammer

        I came to the party late, too, but happy to make a ‘donation’ to my ‘freeloader debt’ to y’all if it helps the anti Co$ cause!
        Better late than never, right?

        • Missionary Kid

          Right. Good Idea.

    • Unex Skcus

      Same statement jumped out at me. Again? Let’s hope that is followed up on.

  • Chocolate Velvet

    Yay!!
    Oh dear, the temptation of all that money from the insurance companies was their undoing. Those insurance guys just hate to be on the receiving end of a money-grab. NN will be put through the shredder by their lawyers. That is my fondest wish…

    • PreferToBeAnon2

      Now why can’t the IRS take a clue from the insurance companies?

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Because the insurance companies have more money and clout?

    • Still_On_Your_Side

      Yes! And you don’t fool around with insurance money. I think insurance is the world’s second oldest profession. After all, even Christopher Columbus’s ships were insured. Insurance companies have sophisticated investigators working full time to prevent fraudulent pay outs. It is one thing to defraud individuals, but did the church really believe it could defraud companies that spend millions to prevent fraud? Perhaps John P has more of the story about the inner workings of insurance companies.

      BTW, Western World Insurance brought two law suits against Narconon Atlanta and Arrowhead to get court rulings that it didn’t have to pay for Narconon’s defense. The cases settled. I doubt Western World, or any insurance company, will cover Narconon’s legal costs in a fraud case. Who then will pay for the defense?

      • John P.

        Within the last couple days, I said (I think it was here; might have been Mike Rinder’s blog) that the cult lacks the self-control to assess rationally the effect of blowback in the future attached to a given pile of money that they could make today. They always go for today’s score, probably the legacy of 50 years of having to show stats every week that were greater than the week before. So if they could bring $100k in house today with a 50% chance of being caught and arrested in 5 years and being fined $1 million, they will go for the $100k every single time no matter the long-term cost.

        The problem is that when you finally trigger the investigators, they assume that nobody ever commits insurance fraud once (not an unreasonable assumption). So they keep digging and looking at every single claim you ever made. Then you wish you were never born.

        My knowledge of insurance companies is limited to understanding various financial ratios that show how well their operations are doing; I don’t follow details of investigators attempting to use civil law to recover fraudulent payouts.

        • sugarplumfairy

          On top of that, I’ve heard the insurance company investigators get financial incentives for uncovering fraud.. They’re highly motivated to be thorough..

    • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

      NO CHOCOLATE VELVET NO!

      This is all a crashing misunderstood.

      Mary Reiser was supposed to bill $1,660.

      She accidentally billed $166,000.

      The extra money will be returned as soon as the insurance company completes a Scientology arbitration procedure.

  • Missionary Kid

    “The Church of Scientology-affiliated clinic has denied any wrongdoing,
    saying it follows standard billing procedures for rehabilitation
    facilities [my added words] run by the Church of Scientology.”

    In other words, standard Co$ business practices: fraud.

    • Poison Ivy

      Yes, but didn’t Bob say that Fraud was an ecclesiastically sanctioned rite????

      • Missionary Kid

        Rite, er, right.

      • Missionary Kid

        That’s Bob 74. He’s still hypnotized.

  • Captain Howdy

    It’s about FUCKING TIME!

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    I love the smell of a fresh raid in the afternoon…. Where’s Davey?

    [IMG]http://i41.tinypic.com/o7kj2e.png[/IMG]

  • Sidney18511

    You can be sure that they are burning up the shredders at all the other NN. But at least they got them by surprise at this one!

    • aquaclara

      DEREEEKKK, I’m afraid the cult is going to call you again. Just say no, ok. No matter how much they whine that you were the best shredder they ever had, and how they reaallly did appreciate all that you did for them. And that they are temporarily out of well-hatted paper distribution management staff. Just say no. And then you can tell them to go f*** themselves.
      You earned it.
      Where have you been this week, by the way? We miss you.

    • Still_On_Your_Side

      Shredding would be such a dumb thing to do. It is the first thing the investigators will look for and since everything is digital these days, shredding won’t erase that much. Of course, OSA could have some effective software to purge systems, but that would show their hand. All roads lead to Miscavige already, an OSA directed elimination of evidence would guarantee Miscavige would be a target of investigations.

  • Jgg2012

    If you remember Operation Snow White, the investigation into the Scientology spying on the govt. and destroying documents led to other findings, like Pauleete Cooper’s framing. I wonder what the raid on Narconon will reveal (besides the fact that it is part of Scientology).

    • Still_On_Your_Side

      It is interesting that the officers that raided the place stated they were surprised at how much information they got. That’s good news for victims of Narconon. $166,000 in already proven insurance fraud for just one patient is extraordinary, and insurance companies must have ongoing investigations into claims received from every Narconon as a result. I wonder how many lawsuits will roll out as investigators and patients discover more fraud state by state.

      • Jgg2012

        ” I wonder how many lawsuits will roll out as investigators and patients discover more fraud state by state.” Hopefully enough to bankrupt Scientology.

  • Sidney18511

    I am sure that the COS will be SHOCKED, SHOCKED I tell you, that someone was breaking the law behind their backs. You can’t trust those SPs!

    • Missionary Kid

      If there’s been some criminal activity, it must be the work of some apostates. Co$ is way to ethical to be involved with fraud.

      After all, Co$ is made up of the Most Ethical People on the Planet, so it can’t be someone who’s in the church.

      Snark

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Which is why, as David Miscavige himself has stated, over and over, that he is the Only One who does Anything in scientology, including making up policy and issuing orders. It’s on videos, it’s in his printed glossy propaganda, it’s from the mouth of scientology babes and let’s not forget his main character witness, Tom Cruise! Right, Tom?

      Or will they all be singing a different tune soon…

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9NF2edxy-M&feature=share&list=PLDD2D7297DDE678B6

      • Missionary Kid

        Hey, I’m an old fart, and I LOVE that song.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          me too, and me too. Some of the lyrics…fit the bill today

      • Unex Skcus

        That’s a cool cover piece of an awesome song! Thanx for the link 🙂

      • PreferToBeAnon2

        What a fun cover of Gotye! Thanks–that went well with my coffee this morning!

  • PreferToBeAnon2

    In some states the insurance commissioner is elected–others appointed. I believe there are 12 NarCONon’s in the US and I’m not sure if they are elected/appointed in those sates. If there are any enterprising commissioners in them and they are paying attention, I hope they follow similar suit!

  • PreferToBeAnon2

    I hope there are receipts of electronic money transfers going directly into the Co$ coffers in those ‘puters!

    • BuryTheNuts2

      If not on one side, it will be on the other. This is a paper/electronic trail they cannot hide.
      The banks and insurance companies are going to be able to tie it up in a pretty bow.
      Shredding dox was great five or ten years ago. It is not enough anymore.

      • PreferToBeAnon2

        Yeppurs!

        • Poison Ivy

          The moral of the story – don’t do anything on a computer that you’re not okay about the whole world knowing about…FOREVER!

          • Bella Legosi

            Nice…….lol the “delete” button is really only in your mind. Nothing is really ever erased from a computer and when it is it is more then evident that you are trying hard to hide something

    • Missionary Kid

      I’m hoping that there’s some sort of multiple amount of the fraud that can be recovered by insurance companies and families from Co$.

  • stillgrace

    What a fantastic way to end this week!! I can’t help but feel that authorities are getting “wise” to the criminal nature of scientology.

    For anyone that is interested, I just posted a comment about the man that developed the computerized prosthetic limbs. It relates to the Boston victims. It’s on the last story.

  • CoolHand

    I posted this over at The Tipping Point as well: I hope that the DA’s office is able to examine more than just the insurance fraud stuff. They seized all of their files and computers and are going to find a LOT more than they bargained for. Detailed reports to OSA, ABLE Int and NN Int on things, evidence of staff and student illegal activities (drug use and sexual impropriety), plots against people, other forms of fraud and SO much more.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      weeps with joy

      • Missionary Kid

        May you have many more opportunities to weep the same way.

    • Christmas comes early this year.

      • Missionary Kid

        (To the words of “Here comes Santa Claus:”)

        Here comes To-ny,
        Here comes To-ny,
        Walking down Ortega lane…

    • Missionary Kid

      Hopefully, the evidence revealed in a criminal trial will be available for all sorts of civil actions.

      • CoolHand

        Thanks. My whole position is for these guys to be forced to be honest about who they really are and what they really do. What is getting them shut down is their continued arrogance, lies and fraudulent activities. They’re digging their own graves, we’re just providing the shovels to make it go a bit faster.

      • PreferToBeAnon2

        For some reason, Tikk doesn’t believe this will get to a criminal trial. He thinks the state will find that it is too much work to prosecute one or a few individuals. It will end up civil with the insurance companies. I’m not so sure about that… between the media and the families who so want to see that perp walk, it’s hard for me to believe they won’t follow through.

        • Missionary Kid

          I can understand his skepticism.
          Co$ has, in the past, handled a lot of situations like this in the past and skated. They’ve settled or deflected the blame on a patsy.

          The problem they now face is multifaceted. The following is not in any particular order.

          1) National wog media is involved. I’m willing to bet that soon Rock Center will do a follow-up and imply at least partial credit for the raid. The raid simply highlights previous charges.

          2) Luke and Eric are available to testify as to NN’s methods and to help direct places for prosecutors to look for evidence. Rinder and Rathburn also know where a lot of the bodies are buried and are willing to testify. This wasn’t true in previous years.

          3) The number of defectors and people who have been harmed by NN and Co$ has been increasing every day, and Co$ doesn’t have the punch to intimidate them once did because there are so many.

          4) There’s too much information out in the public domain, including the internet, about both NN and Co$. Now, Georgia has in its possession, possible damning evidence in the form of paperwork and computer files. You can bet there’s going to be a big, drawn-out battle over what can and cannot be used in trial, and what NN will get back and what will be shared with the Feds. Once the government has them, it’s going to be harder to get them back.

          5) Physicians will be willing to testify against NN that they didn’t do the work that was billed.
          Psychiatrists and psychologists as well as other addiction counselors will be willing to testify as to the weird therapy’s ineffectiveness.

          6) Mike Rinder is of the opinion that the Maniacal Midget is in a quandary. Does he support the former head of the Georgia facility, or does he let her twist in the wind and have her turn state’s evidence. He’s screwed either way.

          7) NN has made unsupportable and fraudulent claims as to their success rate. They have no evidence to support it. That alone is fraud.

          8) This is the State that NN is dealing with, and it is a criminal investigation.

          NN will claim that payments made upwards are for the use of LRH’s copyrighted text. I’m hoping that they try to claim religious exemption. That’s gonna be a big fail. They will probably say that
          whoever did the billing is at fault, and claim that they are completely in the dark about overbilling. I would never want to be a bookkeeper for a $cientology enterprise.

          I’m betting that what Co$ will do is bail on Georgia, and try to portray it as a rogue outfit with some SPs doing the fraudulent billing. They will try to portray themselves, NN, and ABLE as innocent and totally separate. I’m hoping the docs have everything to prove them wrong.
          victims. I’m willing to bet that the evidence will make that
          impossible.

          • PreferToBeAnon2

            Nice sum up!

            • Missionary Kid

              Thanks.

          • He will not support Mary. She is being declared as we speak. She will be the poster child for the fraud created. He definitely didn’t tell her to lie in her deposition. She will be the first prisoner, sort of like MSH only a lot uglier and much more deserving.

            • Missionary Kid

              So, in effect DM is going to say that Mary is a rogue operator, a bad person, etc., etc.

              The question is, where does he hide her without having Co$ fingerprints all over her disappearance?

              I’m sure that there are plenty of emails coming from on high that basically say, “get your stats (money coming in) up.”

              The way that the place looks now, with the crappy grass, paint peeling, etc. probably mean that all of the money has been going somewhere. My guess is that it’s been going to NN headquarters, ABLE, and to the LRH foundation, which is probably headed by guess who.

              It’s gonna be a case of follow the money.

    • PreferToBeAnon2

      I hope they understand $ci-speak. Perhaps an ex will offer to translate…

      • aquaclara

        Oh, just the thought of this cracks me up. You are so right. I mean, if you really want to convince a police department that you’re straight and above board, it would help to avoid the nutty hubbardy speak. hahahahaha…..

        • Poison Ivy

          The police are going to get a crash course in Sci lingo. They should drop by here and go through the archives.

          • Attention, TheHoleDoesNotExist: The Atlanta DA is looking to hire a translator.

      • Missionary Kid

        I can see Co$ sending a clam to pose as an ex to infiltrate.
        Am I paranoid, or just basing my opinion on past behavior?

      • CoolHand

        I happen to know a few people who will help with those translations!

    • aquaclara

      Luke, I hope this almost comes a little bit close to making up for the abuse the damn cult has been giving you. Saw your blog. If they are still harassing you, can we ask the Bunkerites here for some ideas to make them go away? Pretty-please? Or Anons. They are a fun bunch, too.

      • 10oriocookies

        I sure would like some info on who actually hit the “enter” button when they decided to put such a good mugshot of me up. Im a frickin male model doing my best Zoolander pose in that sucker. I would like to buy them a beer and a big pat on the back.

        • BuryTheNuts2

          What you talking about? link me to Zoolander buddy?

          • 10oriocookies
            • BuryTheNuts2

              I know about the movie…I thought I missed something else? No?
              The movie rocks…I thought it was just a reference…
              but I have had wine 😉

            • elar aitch

              Link to your mugshot pls for those who missed it

          • Zoolander is a movie with Ben Stiller in the title role. One of my all time faves.

          • Missionary Kid

            Zoolander is a satire on the fashion/modeling industry. Zoolander is the top male model, played by Ben Stiller as VERY stoopid. Owen Wilson plays his up and coming rival, and Will Ferrel plays the evil Jacobim Mugatu, who reminds me, if not in appearances, but in the way he works, of LRH.

        • Missionary Kid

          Mr. Tenorio, your beauty starts at the inside, but your outer handsomeness far surpasses Zoolander’s. We thank you for all you’re doing.

      • CoolHand

        It’s all good, thank you! Everything is in motion at this point. I’ve certainly been most appreciative of everyone’s support thus far. More to come, and not necessarily from me!

    • aquaclara

      yes. yes. yes. yes. yes. Moar fraud this week!

    • Kitz

      If only they could have coordinated with Oklahoma, and gotten into Arrowhead at the same time. Shredders be buzzing across the country right now…..

      • CoolHand

        Maybe, but even if shredders are buzzing, insurance companies and the individuals who are the ones with the policies aren’t shredding theirs. In the case with GA it was a few people who stepped forward (one specifically mentioned in the article), so this will trigger more people to look back at what they paid vs. what their insurance was charged and paid, such as Rachel Peterson. More will come forward. It’s far from over.

        • jensting

          and a missing document / file with the defendant is hardly conclusive proof of innocence..

    • Poison Ivy

      Do you really think all that stuff will be on their computers, Luke? Are they that stupid? Seems like the raid was a surprise, but after all the legal shenanigans, I would’ve thought the folks up top would’ve made sure everyone cleaned out their desks and hard drives.

      If it’s true that Georgia can only charge “people not companies” with insurance fraud, I’m sure they will find a lot of perps. I do feel a little bad for the folks like you, Luke, who were following company policy. Perhaps all those people will turn state’s evidence, so to speak. on all the other issues.

      Insurance companies don’t mess around, as someone else here was saying.

      • Observer

        “Are they that stupid?” That was rhetorical, right? 😉

        • Exterrier

          I vote for both stupid and arrogant. They are the people putting ethics in the planet, too.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Let’ see, many of the staff are addicts who have just been subjected to scientology mindbenders, still addicted to drugs, some still doing drugs, trained for their jobs by Hubbard and Miscavige.

        What could go wrong?

        • BuryTheNuts2

          As buzzed as I am…”this pisses me off so much”. How dare they put these highly vulnerable people in these positions.
          It is major FUCKED!
          You know, even if they did have it together (through no real help of the “tech”)…this is going to send them right back down the sinkhole.
          Oh, Now I am getting pissed again!

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            no shite. The change, it’s a comin’

      • CoolHand

        Yes, they are more than stupid – they’re also arrogant. However, when it comes time to charge people (emphasis on plural), they will be more than willing to roll over on those “uplines” giving the orders.

        • ParticleMom

          Then let’s hope it rolls all the way to he top!

    • 10oriocookies

      I’ll see that smear website and raise you a raid. Arrowhead is next.

      • CoolHand

        As I mentioned, they keep bringing it on themselves.

        • Mary_McConnell

          Yes, and t was supposed to be streamed live… I posted in advance all over the place, but they never streamed the show. The good thing is that they do now have the nearly 4 minutes of the show in a separate video up now. Good work, Lucas! And hugs to Robert and Tonya, Stacy’s mom and dad, and dear Shirley, Gabe ‘s mom. This was an important report well worth watching! http://www.fox23.com/mediacenter/local.aspx?videoid=4033890

      • I hate to be a Debbie Downer, but with this advanced warning, do you really think there will be anything left to find if they do raid Arrowhead? I’d imagine there’s a big ole shredding party going on there right now.

        • DodoTheLaser

          I understand the concern.
          Yet trash bags full of shredded documents might raise questions too.
          So as the records of renting the shredding machines.

          What’s even better news – computer forensics is pretty advanced these days.

          • Yeah, I’d hold out a lot more hope for the contents of the computers. But if I were them, I’d be burning the documents are shredding and possibly introducing the computers to some might big magnets. But I may watch too much of the ID channel. *g*

    • Jgg2012

      I’m hoping that some huge judgments against Co$, leading to their properties being seized and auctioned off, which will reveal all their corporate shells, hidden RPF dungeons, recordings of private discussions, bribes of public officials and so on. My guess is that it will reveal Co$ to be even worse than we thought.

    • May_West

      Only a person can be charged with fraud. But…. what if the investigation reveals there were several people operating in collusion to defraud the insurance companies. Does that indicate organised crime by narconon? Can narconon, the business, then be charged?

      • John P.

        Remember that the distinction is somewhat subtle — companies cannot be charged with criminal fraud because they’re not really people (they’re sort of a funny “artificial person” where a human is a “natural person”). Every decision at a company is made by a person, so you hold people accountable for bad acts. But the way you punish a corporation is to allow them to be civilly liable. In other words, they can be sued and either those defrauded can recover money or the government can recover money from them. That’s separate from the criminal acts committed by the employees. So just because Narconon the corporation won’t be criminally charged doesn’t mean the company won’t be punished, potentially leading to its being driven out of business.

        • May_West

          In Canada, the church itself, as an entity, was tried and criminally convicted for breach of public trust. Guess I was hoping there might be something similar in the U.S of A.

        • jensting

          France says phoooey! to that 🙂

        • MyMagnificentOctopus .

          However, the Feds have RICO which does allow them to charge organizations as criminals, if they can argue the organization existed entirely or in part for the purpose of committing that crime. So, if this were to somehow go beyond the state level, there are ways to go after organizations, freeze their assets and so on.

          As for the state laws, it makes sense on two levels. First, the crimes were the acts of individuals, even if it is a conspiracy, it is still a conspiracy of individuals. Second, criminal law is basically concerned with jailing people. It may impose fines and the like, but for the most part, it doesn’t charge unless someone can go to jail, it is why they don’t charge dead people and why they don’t charge companies as such, there is no person to incarcerate.

          Having said that, conspiracy does give them much room to go after higher levels of the organization, even on a state level, so finding a scapegoat may not be the perfect defense the higher echelons imagine it to be. (Just look at the many organized crime trials which attempted the same, and the number of times it failed, especially in recent years when the states and federal criminal prosecutors were given somewhat greater leeway.)

      • RICO anyone?

    • MarionDee

      (incredulous) They had to use a U-Haul???? (joyous) A U-Haul !!!!!!! (see story in the ACJ)

    • EnthralledObserver

      I’m speechless… what more could a law abiding law enforcer and prosecutor want?

    • California

      Hang in there, Luke.

  • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

    Church of Scientology spokesman Ken Delusion has issued a preliminary statement:

    “Factually, there was no “raid.” What happened is that some law enforcement agents showed up and asked for 10,000 copies of The Way to Happiness to give out to at risk youth in Atlanta. One of the law enforcement officers then said, ‘Oh by the way, I have this completely baseless search warrant and so I need to take a file or two. There is one wild-eyed accusation that Narconon used government copier paper without permission.”

    “In related news, an Office of Special Affairs investigation has revealed that a tiny handful of undercover operatives sent in by Psychiatry allegedly engaged obtained jobs as Narconon staff in order to engage in insurance fraud, this in yet another attempt by the Psychs to bring the Church of Scientology and Narconon into disrepute.

    “We in RTC are guardedly watching the situation but will not be cooperating with the authorities at this time based upon the advice of our fancy wog lawyers.

    “Narconon is the only proven drug treatment program in the world and has a 90% success rate. Naturally, then, the Psychs have manufactured crimes where none exist. The Church of Scientology is confident that this will all blow over in a few days.”

    the Psychs would attack Narconon as Psychiatry and its failed programs have never successfully treated even one drug addict,”

    • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

      Former Narconon file clerk Mary Reiser is in international waters on The Freewinds where she is enjoying the OT Prosperity Conference.

      She will not be available for comment so don’t even ask.

      • Captain Howdy

        Here’s hoping she comes back safely and in one piece and doesn’t fall overboard/have a boating accident involving a propeller/get eaten by a shark, barracuda, giant grouper, giant squid or die in a scalding hot bath…or get shot by pirates raiding the ship.

        • stillgrace

          Let’s also hope that she doesn’t decide to hold her breath rather than take deep gulps of blue asbetos.

        • OTVIIIisGrrr8!
          • stillgrace

            “Liar, Liar – Pants on Fire!” LOL!!

            • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

              Flunk Mary flunk!

              No blinking during deposition!

            • BuryTheNuts2

              That is fucking hilarious!
              And really MEAN!

              I LOVE IT.

          • Mary Rieser just finding out they can’t charge and organization with insurance fraud, only an individual, and realizing that orange (as in jumpsuit) is so not her color.

          • Observer

            This is so hypnotic … I think I may be in Dianetic reverie … ready for session ….

        • PreferToBeAnon2

          Capn’ you would go for that… I want her to be in Georgia–nice and perky with that little bob of hers wearing orange. (No, I did not invoke Bob–I doubt we will see him tonight.)

          • Captain Howdy

            I want her back alive too. I’m just hoping she doesn’t have an “accident”.

            • PreferToBeAnon2

              For some reason, I don’t think she will–they need a LIVE fall person to parade around and point at and deflect media… How quickly do you think she will become a lone, bitter defrocked…

            • Captain Howdy

              Hopefully when faced with either 10 years in the joint or losing her eternity she chooses turning States evidence.

          • Poison Ivy

            Ha ha! So glad you called me, PTBA2! Yes, I’m sure Bob (not “Our” Bob) and his mysterious sock puppet pals will be elsewhere this evening. Talking to walls or something.

        • hogarthian

          Or just have a heart attack?

        • RMycroft
      • Poison Ivy

        😀

        “When pressed for details, the law enforcement agent admitted that the search warrant was based upon some wild-eyed accusation that Narconon used government copier paper without permission”

        And don’t you just HATE it when that happens (AGAIN!)

      • BuryTheNuts2

        I am a great swimmer and I have extensive knowledge of the Caribbean waters….”and a harpoon”.

        The only danger I see is unpredictible wave action brought on by the washboard shape of the Freewinds 4mm hull in any seas over 1.5 feet!

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          or running into Scuba Dave

          • BuryTheNuts2

            That is what the harpoon is for.???
            Do you think I should trade it in for a #2 brook hook?

            I forgot what a “small” target he is.

      • Spackle Motion

        You are on fire today, OTVIII. I can’t keep up with your posts.

    • Wow! Just like Snow White!!! Hey, I’ve just figured out the solution to all Scientology’s legal problems. Raise the copy paper budget so the employees don’t have to steal any more from government offices and those mean old Feds will leave you alone. Be sure to write this somewhere where the glorious leader can of course come up with this idea himself as I am not worthy of actually telling you I said it.

  • BuryTheNuts2

    Let them eat Caek!

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Freshly baked, just out of the oven…

      [IMG]http://i43.tinypic.com/311rq4h.jpg[/IMG]

      • PreferToBeAnon2

        I’d like to give Luke, Eric, David L, Tony and Mary the first pieces of that!

        • aquaclara

          excellent.

        • BuryTheNuts2

          Absolutely….and with Love and Admiration to them. And Colin…..

      • aquaclara

        This is a beeeuuuutiful cake.

      • man …i saw the words ” freshly baked” and i thought of something else . Go figure

        • BuryTheNuts2

          hehehehe

        • Bella Legosi

          damn it that comment made me spit my bonghit on the monitor!! oh well…..i just geuss i shall have another lol

          • dude – vaporizers …bong water is too nasty . What are you … a savage ? ( LOL )

            • Bella Legosi

              yes, i am a savage! i like to feel the kick to my lungs……what are you an amature?! LOL If you don’t cough you dont get off DUH 🙂

            • yeah …i can respect that . Those handy one hit vaporizers are pretty cool though. They look like electric cigarettes . I was in isle 9 at Safeway the other day smoking some and no one new . It was pretty awesome . ( i bought a huge bag of Smartfood popcorn though and then did a brutal crossfit class to work it off so there are some downsides LOL )

            • Bella Legosi

              lol vaporizers have their usues for sure!I don’t think I have talked to anyone that has done that inside of any store! Major reapect and I withdraw my (jokeing) amature comment!

  • NoName

    Game on! I gotta run to Costco and replenish the popcorn supplies for this.

    • Missionary Kid

      I like the Orville Redenbacher Movie Style Buttered Popcorn! Whatever you get, enjoy!

    • BuryTheNuts2

      Costco? fuckin A…I love an optimist!

      • DeElizabethan

        Was there today, not know what they were anticipating, but supah free lunch and now chalk it up to this celebration. All in all a supah day!

        • Missionary Kid

          I call the free samples, “Hors d’oeuvres.”

  • hogarthian

    What a fabulous end to my Friday evening!!!! Just fucking FABULOUS! 🙂

  • PreferToBeAnon2

    JohnP, go for the steak tonight!

  • aquaclara

    HUGE TOASTING AND TIPPING BACK TODAY!!!! Thanks, Tony. Thanks, Ralph Hudgens, you rock! GO, Gwinnet Co. PD- get set to have some fun! Thanks, Tipping Pointers for being a relentlessly royal PITA to Narconon.

    Here’s a ditty to get the party going. Thanks, Zac Brown – Georgia is our new favorite state!
    “I got my toes in the water, ass in the sand
    Not a worry in the world, a cold beer in my hand
    Life is good today. Life is good today. “

  • Still_On_Your_Side

    Such good news! Tony broke this story, and EVERY story that has to do with the CoS and its many arms.

    • q-bird

      Yes – so true! Mr. Ortega Sir! Take the weekend off!!! 🙂

  • Bella Legosi

    😀 Bella is doing a Happy Dance, whirling in a circle clapping and saying Ha HA

  • Ricky Ricardo

    Narconon…

  • mook

    ITS ABOUT DAMN TIME!

    • BuryTheNuts2

      YES MOOK!…hugs…even too that clown thingy!!!

  • Missionary Kid

    It’s interesting how a lot of the shit has been hitting the fan late on Fridays. Davey boy, micromanager that he is, probably has been having some very busy weekends.

    I pity the poor Gwinnett County prosecutors who have to wad through all of that crap. I’m sure they’ll be sick to their stomachs when they read some of the frauds NARCONCON has pulled, and how the victims have suffered.

    • Bella Legosi

      hehehe Friday stories usually serve a purpose! By the time those PR people can get their story straight and spun the way Little Boots wants, its going to be too damn late. Most people would have heard this story and either went back to work or out having a beer. There are people who know how to do it with the media and splashing this story TODAY is effective journalism in my view. By tomorrow, nobody is really going to care to hear NarCONon’s side to this. So how is their defense coming? Can’t really say it is religious bigotry now can they===bastards====and to think I was going to take a break from the Bunker this weekend LOL just when I think I’m out, you all pull me back in!

      • Missionary Kid

        I’m wondering if this will get a mention on Rock Center tonight. I TIVO it.

        • Bella Legosi

          oh good thinking! I may have to watch now you brought it up! Shall we email them some links? 😀

          • Missionary Kid

            Yes. It’s probably too late to get it included, but we may as well try. I asked Tony directly.
            It almost might be better if it’s mentioned next week, because that stretches out the “enturbulation” for the misguided midget.

  • PreferToBeAnon2

    My only concern is the time lag between analyzing the data and making arrests… And, I hope there is more than 1 person on the billing side of things actually making those transactions.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Fortunately, insurance companies have 21st century tech, and they network quite well when they want to. Also, it’s not like this is an event that just happened in the last few months. Then there’s the oh so scientologically trained patients/staff that seem to have a problem with wiping much of anything…

      [IMG]http://i41.tinypic.com/2b86qa.gif[/IMG]

      • BuryTheNuts2

        Hole, I would never waste perfectly good ROACH (not as in the ashtray) spray on Scientology. This is Florida….,that shit is like gold…oh wait…platinum.

        • Missionary Kid

          Florida, where roaches are called, “water bugs” by an industrious Chamber of Commerce, and they seem to reach sizes that, if you could harness 5 of them, would be able to pull your car if you suffer a breakdown.

          Before you flame me, remember, I’m kidding. The beaches are beautiful.

  • Bella Legosi

    Holy great Uncle Cosmo! I am still reading attached articles, but I am wondering if this raid came as a surprise, if Narconon had time to shred evidence and if investigators had those whom they suspect as the fruaders under survailence, so that when the time comes if there was evidence destroyed they will also face those charges as well. Asl I wonder if any suspects were Scientologists still in good standing at the time of this investigation and more importantly at the time of this raid!!!! I still have an ear to ear smile. Oh to be a fly on the wall today.

    Hey Little Boots, someone just torpedoed the shit outta one of your boats! Can we say this definatley was a HIT????

    • Missionary Kid

      Unfortunately, a raid does not a conviction make. At the worst, it will cost NARCOCRAP

      • RMycroft

        The Snow White raids evidence almost got tossed at a lower court level. Fortunately the appeals level reversed that.

        The main problem with a raid is that it isn’t a fishing expedition. You have to stay pretty close to what was on the search warrant. You can’t box the whole place up and then look for random crimes in the files.

        Pity.

        • Missionary Kid

          Good point. I’m wondering if DM has been as careful about distancing himself from NARCOCRAP as the one he tries to emulate, Adolf, in making sure that there weren’t documents linking him to the Holocaust.

          Adolf did leave some evidence.

          • PreferToBeAnon2

            Well, we know the “OT Committee” was involved from Reiser’s memo… I’m sure the emails were flying…

            • Missionary Kid

              Let’s hope there’s a smoking gun in one of those that can be used.

          • BuryTheNuts2

            I wouldn’t worry about that part…There is so much “obvious” evidence linking Co$ an Narconon it could fill a container ship. You can start with their own published webpages.
            Don’t worry, Anon’s have the screen grabs.

            • Missionary Kid

              I hope they’re paying attention. Their help is needed.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Oh trust me…they are!

            • Missionary Kid

              Old joke: We have faith on our side: Sydney J. Faith, private detective.
              I should add, Anon.

        • Bella Legosi

          This IS NOT GOING AWAY. This is insurance fraud of hundreds of thousends of dolllars, the Insurance companys will HAVE EVIDENCE (in their records, cuz they LOVE records) should Narconon have destroyed what smoking guns are still there. I do not believe right now Insurance companys are going to be fond of Narconon, and wonder if some outside of UH are going to be looking into their own files as well for possible fruad done on them as well. I also remember reading that NarCONon Georgia had been suspected of defrauding the State of Florida as well……that be FBI territory and didn’t they just end an investigation? 😀

          • RMycroft

            Insurance fraud sounds like a nice narrow category to sift the files for, with lots of probable paydirt. The trouble is, if they come across evidence of other crimes in the files outside the search warrant, they might not be able to do anything about it.

            You can bet that the insurance companies don’t want any amateur crooks on their territory.

            • Bella Legosi

              They may not be able to do anything outside of the fruad that is true. I would like to read the warrent tho. However, if they do come across more fraud, as is state to state and fucking with government run healthcare you can bet your ass Georgia authoritys will turn it over or “suggest” more investigations with other angencys! I would like to think finding something relating to fraud may act as a probable cause for more warrents and investigations.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Fraud rolls UPHILL in this type of case! remember that kiddies.

          • Spackle Motion

            They are looking. That’s all I’ll say about that.

        • Bella Legosi

          Can you smell the civil lawsuits? From the docs to insurence company! Thou shall not fuck with big insurence companys! They really really really find insurance fraud distasteful and will hang ANYONE out to dry should they try and do so. OMG This is going to be an interesting year!

          • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

            THE REAL CRIMINAL IS LANCE ARMSTRONG AND NOT NARCONON!

            • i am finding you very attractive right now ….have you been working out ? 😉

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Why won’t the little up arrow let me have multiple arrowgasms!!!!

            • arrowgasms ??!! THAT IS FUCKING AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!

            • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

              yes

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        I’m pretty sure the Insurance Company’s detectives are a bit smarter than Miscavige’s keystone cop detectives. Also, they have bloodhounds that can smell where the money is buried. Kind of like scientology and it’s leader….all they care about is the money, honey. The big money, not small change.

        • Poison Ivy

          You’re right. The Evil Insurance Companies vs. The Evil CO$ – which is smarter, meaner, and has more clout? Not Davey, this time.

        • Missionary Kid

          I’m sure that they’ll work hand in glove with the State of Georgia. Unfortunately, the search warrant may not coverall of the items that might really screw ALLCRAPANON over. I hope that it was broad enough to really screw Co$.

          Once the money is gone from NARCONCON, they’ll declare bankruptcy as a corporation. Then, they’ll try to say that as a completely different corporation, ABLE and all the other shell corporations are not liable for debts of Georgia. At the least, NARCONCON GA will go out of business. At the best, info gathered will show a criminal conspiracy on the part of all NARCONCON facilities, and the parent corporation, which they were careful to incorporate in Canada.

          It’s gonna be complex and long. This is just one step in the journey. It will provide employment for many attorneys, paralegals, accountants, an computer forensic specialists.

    • BuryTheNuts2

      Cheers Bella!!!!

      • Bella Legosi

        YES CHEERS ALL AROUND! My little legal mind is reeling with the possibilitys that are going to grow out of this!

        • BuryTheNuts2

          Well keep those options open….because who knows which direction this could go!

    • Ze Moo

      Any clam ‘in good standing’ won’t be if they are arrested. They always throw the faithful under the bus. That should be some incentive to turn states evidence.

      • Bella Legosi

        My thoughts exactly!

      • Missionary Kid

        The problem is, they person underbussed will probably hang on to their illusions. Whether it will be long enough for them to keep from turning states evidence or not depends on how many lies from Co$ their gullible enough to believe.

    • Michael Barger

      Little Boots – excellent. I just caught the Caligula reference. Maybe DM will make one of his dogs the head of Qual.

  • PreferToBeAnon2

    I wish this raid happened before the Desmond family settled… There is no telling what dox are there! Attorney Jeff Harris must be doing a happy dance tonight too!

  • Observer

    I wonder where bob 74 is? I’m interested to hear his always cogent gloating about how it’s too bad for us that ecclesiasticality/ness is a constitutional rite applied to this situation.

    • Missionary Kid

      No charges have been filed, so what he’ll do is claim persecution of the tech, no connection of the fraud to Co$, and that this will be thrown out of court once the clam lawyers get a hold of the case.

      Attack, attack, attack, deny, deny, deny.

      When he bloviates, my reply is, “Nice sarcasm.”

      He either will explain that I obviously don’t understand, or he’ll ignore it.

      • Bella Legosi

        Let them try to worm outta this one! It shall be excellent entertainment! And should I remind everyone that this isn’t the time of Operation SnowWhite? And the big hook here is that it is NOT the government with the axe to grind…….it is Insurence companys. You know the kinds of people who less then 2 years ago would throw out your insurence claim because you had a “preexisting condition” or told a little white lie in the paper work? HA! I couldn’t ask for a more capible opponant for Co$ lawyers! Co$ lawyers may be sharks, but they are nothing compaired to the Great Whites that work for these insurence companys! I can smell the lawsuits both criminal and CIVIL……my god this is fan-fcuking-tastic!

        • q-bird

          Big fish say, “Why Hello There NN > ABLE > CoS… I represent GW Ins. Co.

          How are you this evening? Good. Good. I have a few questions for you…”

          Is thinking, “hmmmm,.. wonder if homo novis taste as good as sapien?!

          smiling & grinning ~

          • BuryTheNuts2

            Sweet Q. It is a GREAT night!

          • Bella Legosi

            Your paperwork please. Give it to me! Couldn’t get the EXACTLY.gif to work :*( but YES Q that is what I was thinking…..exactly!

            • q-bird

              Alas Bella love ~ I’s just toying with the idea of it, is all. Sharks are wonderful symbols for lawyers… and then there are those Scion registrars… very shark-like indeed, forever circling their prey, and now at the apex we meet the Lawyers of Insurance…. oh yes, I am looking forward to see what unfolds here. Really good news to be found at the Bunker this day, YES!!!

          • Captain Howdy

            Thank for that incredibly great photo of that GW, which is one of my great passions in this world.

            • q-bird

              Howdy! I knew you would like that photo – what a wonderful creature, a living dinosaur! Did you go to: http://sharks-ocearch.verite.com/ and check out where Mary Ann is today???

        • Missionary Kid

          This is the government that filed for the search warrant. I’m sure that the insurance Co’s are providing expertise – if they’re smart.

          Insurance Companies do settle, if the costs get too high. What is needed is a demonstration that the fraud has been across the board, so that many insurers will chip in to bring down NN. Co$ will try to make this as difficult for Georgia and any insurance company that joins them.

          Hopefully, the search warrant was broad enough to cover any participation by ABLE and Co$.

          It’s still good news, but there’s a long way to go until conviction.

          • PreferToBeAnon2

            I’m hoping so… the depositions and docs in the Desmond case covered that

            • Missionary Kid

              Hopefully, while the wheels of justice move very slow, they’ll grind up Co$.

          • Bella Legosi

            I honestly care not about criminal charges as they can be thrown out or wormed out of by those in question. I will be looking forward to tge civil theater now that blood is in the water. Criminal charges are just yhe icing in my opinon. Its gonna be what comes after this that is gonna be the delicious cake

            • Missionary Kid

              A criminal conviction makes it much easier to sue in a civil proceeding afterwards. However, Co$ will delay, delay, delay in order to drag things out so the plaintiffs will get discouraged and quit.

            • Bella Legosi

              I bbelieve there is enought already to start the ball on a civil suit. Shit I type too fast for my pjhone and computer! I am giving both strokes i think

            • Missionary Kid

              I’m gonna start calling you Quinilla Quickfingers.

            • Bella Legosi

              Heh heh there were reasons i wanted to be a paralegal! I have a average 45-50 wpm and when i am really excited it shoots up to 60

            • Missionary Kid

              With your permission, I’ll call you Quinella.

            • Bella Legosi

              I am trying to fix the sorry excuse for a pc i have at themoment. Sickof commenting and seeing it type out one letter a second

    • BuryTheNuts2

      If it does a flyby….I think you need to take the first shot, Observer. I got your six!

  • Bella Legosi

    I simply cannot believe that Narcanon would have the gall to try something like this again.====muahahahah again??? Nice, count this doc office as a “win” for authoritiys in Georgia!

  • scnethics

    My needle is floating like Miscavige’s liver, baby.

    • There ain’t enough scotch on the planet…

  • Missionary Kid

    Tony, any word if this will get a mention on Rock Center tonight?

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    Statement on behalf of Narconon patients’ families, by Jeff Harris:

    http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/statement-behalf-narconon-patients-families/nXYzd/

    • PreferToBeAnon2

      Good post! I was just thinking of him!

  • Sherbet

    Just had supper, and this story was dessert. Excellent!

    • supper….man ..i miss Boston. If you tell me you ate in the parlor and then went down celler to do some wash …i might hug you

      • Captain Howdy

        Well I just bought a 40 oz of Haffenreffer if that’s any consolation, and the weather was wicked pissah today, pally.

        • say hello to your motha for for me

        • Bella Legosi

          a 40 for you too? get outta my head! lol love the new avi Captain 😀 may your 40 bring you much laughter tonight! yup tonight is gonna be another one of those Psy nights for this Eskimo Wizard!

        • Sherbet

          I honestly can’t tell if your avatar is George Jones or Jim Jones.

          • george. he died so the capt is paying props 😉

            • Sherbet

              The Captain is a man of eclectic tastes in music.

            • Captain Howdy

              My Dad turned me onto Jones and believe it or not lots of punks love Jones and real country, just ask Mike Ness. Hell I’m sure Keith is crying in his Rebel Yell tonight. He loved Jones almost as much as he loves Chuck.

            • Bella Legosi

              My dad would listen to buttrock when he hit the liquer….but George Jones and Jimmy Buffet were the ones he listened to when he’d attack a case of beer

            • Captain Howdy

              Jimmy Buffet? That’s like comparing GG Allin to Duran Duran!

            • Bella Legosi

              Lol yes it is but thats what he would do…..i left frank sinatra out of the mix but cats outta the bag now….i had an interesting childhood Cap

          • BuryTheNuts2

            That is def George!

          • Captain Howdy

            LOL Did Jim Jones rise from the dead and die again today?

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Depends? Did you serve Grape aid potato juice man?

            • Captain Howdy

              Hey, I shook Jim Jones hand! Don’t mess with me. missy

            • BuryTheNuts2

              EW!

      • Sherbet

        What Howdy said, Kim. I’m gonna watch the Sawks, but first I’m gonna grab a tonic and sit on the piazza.

        • BuryTheNuts2

          Sherb…Do you remember Bruce Hurst?

          • Sherbet

            I do. Why?

            • BuryTheNuts2

              He used to date a good friend of mine. He is from Southern Utah.
              He played basketball (and he was good) his senior year with a broken back.
              I think he would have been awesome if he wasn’t already so torn up at such a young age.
              He could have went pro b-ball right outta high school and he chose baseball.

            • Sherbet

              Oh, no kidding! He was a very good picture. For awhile he was working for the Sox after he retired from the game.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              He was a really good guy.

  • Poison Ivy

    Whoa! I was on the Legal Call From Hell and @prefertobeanon2:disqus phoned me to tell me! This is by far the best news I’ve had all week! What a shock – a great one! Go Tony! Go Bunker! Go Feds (FINALLY…it’s about time, guys!!)

  • Love it.

    Love it, love it, love it.

    • Bella Legosi

      >D < is that you too?

    • BuryTheNuts2

      So do WE…and we love you too Alanzo!!!
      Wanna go dance in the Cornfields?

      • DeElizabethan

        BTN2 and Alanzo along with all the bunkers. Let’s celebrate! Oh, we are already, Ok I’m a little late to the party but here now!

        • aquaclara

          We missed you! You’re just in time!

  • w00t!

    Now, if I could have APCs rolling over the wire at Gold as a belated birthday gift, that would be great…

  • t1kk

    This is great that it’s happening, but Scientology and Narconon are somewhat lucky, for now at least, that there is no corporate culpability for insurance fraud. I’m concerned that Scientology can make this go away by offering up a patsy to admit to the defrauding. Of course, that individual could also lighten his/her own culpability by detailing a broader conspiracy, but which would only drag in other individuals. I’m hoping that perhaps the investigators reviewing the records discover additional incidents of the sort that drag Narconon and perhaps Scientology back into the larger criminal picture.

    • MO Mom

      No corporate culpability in Georgia, but I wonder what the state law is in Oklahoma about that?

    • stanrogers

      RICO?

      • Spackle Motion

        RICO is like a big umbrella that you need several big federal law enforcement hands to hold for several years and it has a lot of holes. Give it enough time and it will probably start to pour on you and most likely blow up and be unusable.

  • SP ‘Onage

    Sum-bitch! About time!!!

    I ‘d like to buy around of beer for those officers. 😀

  • Do you hear that sound? It is the buzz of shredding machines running at Scientology, Narconon, Applied Scholastics, The Way to Happiness and Criminon locations around the world…

    Good thing insurance fraud leaves a heavy snail trail that not even Super Power or the oiliness table can get rid of.

    • Bella Legosi

      heh all I hear are the phones in many insurence companys ringing tonight, and the sound of click click and these companys writing directives to look into their own dealings with Narconon. Oh and the stench of civil lawsuits is becoming overwhelming >D

      • Missionary Kid

        What’s the deal with BTN2, Stillgrace and Flunk 101?
        I’m back here because I didn’t want it on the page where they’re showing hostility.

        • Bella Legosi

          Still trying to see what I missed! lol I got some stuff to get together before I head out into the wild blue yonder for a couple of days!

          • Missionary Kid

            It was on Sunday, not too far below where we got into the rail gun discussion. BTN2 and Stillgrace were not friendly Flunk 101, and they accused him of now posting under a different name than before. I chose to drop back here so I didn’t stir things up with them.

            • Bella Legosi

              Yeah I remember them going off on how Bob wasn’t really Bob. I tried to say there are a lot of Bob’s and I was giving him the benefit of doubt. Kinda glad I sat back on that. Turns out he really isn’t a closet scientologist. They got that way with me when I posted about working for the Scilon and saying it was “squirrel”. I was asked how long I had been in and how I knew it was squirrel. Now that I get the gist of the attitude here at the Bunker I can see why they thought I may have been a scilon. I didn’t really explain it well at first.

    • Poison Ivy

      Those hard drives are hardy mothers. And then there’s the interwebs and the emails on the other side. Shredding documents doesn’t cut it anymore.

      • SP ‘Onage

        Just imagine… the juicy sauce on 12 hardrives.

      • The sea org “tech” on destroying hard drives is to disassemble them, take out the disks and have RPFers physically sand off the magnetic media.

        • Observer

          Not exactly a procedure that can be carried out in the middle of a raid. lol

        • John P.

          Doesn’t matter. That only includes one side of each transaction. Scientology can’t ensure that the counterparties’ records of fraudulent transactions are destroyed. Forensic auditors are pretty good at matching what you claim with what counterparties claim. In many cases today, all they need is an e-mail log (which is easily searchable electronically). They look at the list of domains where e-mail was exchanged, and harvest the names of insurance companies who received e-mail from Narconon. Then they go to those insurance companies, who keep accurate records. Evidence grows fairly quickly.

          I helped design a system that analyzed e-mail traffic between my firm and its clients, to figure out which of our clients were “smart money” and “stupid money.” We used it to apportion our time differently, making sure our “investor relations” people were not wasting too much time talking to “stupid money” and thus improved their productivity significantly. It was pretty trivial to do, and I’m sure fraud investigators are way better at this sort of e-mail network analytics than I was. There was a particularly juicy app developed to show the e-mail links proving that the top management of Enron knew all about what was going on; that’s where I got the idea for my little experiment.l

          • Still_On_Your_Side

            Insurance companies have spent many millions of dollars developing highly secured methods for receiving and processing claims. Part of the rationale was the need to securely process VA and military claims. I doubt they have lost any communication received from Narconon, and probably can even trace which computer or server sent the individual claims. I don’t doubt that GA will find out who sent which claims. If they have gone as far as to raid an office, it doesn’t seem as if they are doing this for show. If the Feds wake up, which I hope they do, the issue will not only be which individual is liable, it may be how much of the show was run by Miscavige and where did the money go.

            In 1986, a raid like this was held on LaRouche’s operations. Within a short time, people were arrested, including LaRouche, who was then sent to prison. Many charges were filed that had little to do with the reason for the raid. Once authorities have documents, it will be next to impossible for the church’s lawyers to prevent law enforcement from bringing charges on other crimes it may uncover, unless the lawyers get the raid thrown out. Given the clear insurance fraud against the Morton family, I doubt the raid will be ruled illegal.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      and not even the Super Power Mecca Ginormous Shredder Room is going to save the day.

      • BuryTheNuts2

        Ah, giant shredder rooms are so Fawn (whats her name) and Oliver North.
        Electronic signatures are <3 Foreveah!!!!

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          shhhhhhh. Don’t tell OTGrrrrrr8. Travolta’s probably jetting him to the Mecca right now, after they fire up the telex machines. Kirsti is eating my cop cake. She’ll eat anything that doesn’t move. fast

          [IMG]http://i42.tinypic.com/t9i0y9.jpg[/IMG]

          Oh wait…Staff probably had to pawn all the org shredders to pay the electric bill last month. But you just Know they’ll make it go right…
          http://youtu.be/KAJUAPppyek

          • Speaking of John, check out this week’s National Equirer. Thirty years after Welcome Back Kotter and he’s still making the cover.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              link?

        • Bella Legosi

          oh they really stepped on their dicks with this one guys……

          • Missionary Kid

            A dickbullet?

            • Bella Legosi

              yup and let us all hope it works a lot like those “Magic Bullets” too…….lol

            • Missionary Kid

              I’m envisioning the small blender. Is that right?

    • SP ‘Onage

      “Do you hear that sound?”

      Yeah, I also hear Tom Cruise jumping up and down on his couch crying.

      How do you like narCONon now laser Tom?

      • Observer

        Can’t wait to hear Kirstie Alley’s reaction, since NarCONon, you know, saved her life and stuff.

        • SP ‘Onage

          hahah! :p

        • BuryTheNuts2

          You won’t hear from her for days! Not while the beef jerky holds out!

      • FistOfXenu

        NarCONon? It’s just pffffff! .. and I know, just know, BAM .. you know?

    • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

      We in RTC are having our wog attorneys file an emergency injunction to prevent wog law enforcement officials from looking at THE UPPER LEVEL MATERIALS ON THOSE HARD DRIVES!!!!!!!!!!!!

      We will send in Rex Fowler’s wife if needed to retrieve our hard drives!

    • jensting

      the higher up a shredding trail can be found, the higher up the cover-up goes. Covering up a crime is surely a crime?

      • In Scientology “it is only a crime if you get caught” and even then, “David Miscavige was too busy to have anything to do with it.”

        • “He was too busy ripping other people off to rip those people off too!”

  • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

    COB RTC David Miscavige is freaking out now that Gerry Feffer is no longer around to help.

    • BuryTheNuts2

      Sorry Grr8. Where is Monique?
      Second best is still the first LOSER!

  • PreferToBeAnon2

    I hope hundreds of thetans are word clearing “fraud” tonight.

    • SP ‘Onage

      fraud

      1. crime of cheating somebody: the crime of obtaining money or some other benefit by deliberate deception

      2. somebody who deceives: somebody who deliberately deceives somebody else, usually for financial gain

      3. something intended to deceive: something that is intended to deceive people

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        In other words, the Ideal Scientologist.

        • SP ‘Onage

          Spot on! lol

  • Captain Howdy

    Narconon got busted and George Jones is dead

    Time to cry in my celebratory potato juice.

  • SP ‘Onage

    Narconon Georgia today, Narconon Arrowhead tomorrow…I hope.

    I wouldn’t doubt undercover is watching them.

  • MissCabbage

    Five years earlier…
    http://youtu.be/pE-okCJF2_M

    I have an insatiable craving for caek!

  • sharon brown

    Wow !!! What a way to start the weekend ! Hopefully they’ll find direct orders from COB on how to rip people off correctly, he’s a person, technically. The flood gates have trully opened ! This year is looking Better every day, Thanks Tony !!!

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      “he’s a person, technically.” Comment of the month

      • sharon brown

        Thank you , Hole, I am honored ! I miss the SMERSH contest, maybe we should vote on comments of the month ! And the winner would get a coffee mug from the Bunker , with logo, or I’m an SP, on it !

  • Couch_Incident

    And the walls came down…

    • RMycroft
      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Do I hear an Amen, Jericho?

        http://youtu.be/gPZuWzZvoYQ

        • Missionary Kid

          AMEN!!! That was my thought, exactly. Mahalia does it justice.

    • Bella Legosi

      *whistles London Bridges Falling Down* Well, that’s one Co$ front who’s foundatin is becoming “unstructually sound”……..now one to Applied Scholastics!

  • stateofcircle

    Luke, are things like the drug use, sexual impropriety, documents in which staff explicitly acknowledge committing fraud and getting patients into scientology? Also, being the church is pretty stealth at lying and hiding things, are there documents explicitly linking Narconon to Scio beyond their license to use LRH materials and fees paid to them? I am curious about your opinion of what the implications will be for NN and Sci when law enforcement reads the reports to OSA.

    I kind of think that this could seriously be the end of Narconon, and I don’t say that lightly. If there is documented, unrefutable and explicit proof that NN is one with the church, it will completely devastate them, along with all of the documentation of fraud and deception. ALL Narconon’s will be affected by this majorly, and I really think the fact that these docs will conclusively prove that Narconon IS the CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY is going to be the apocolyptic, and the biggest nail in the coffin.

    • BuryTheNuts2

      Luke addresses this exact thing down the thread. Enjoy!

      • stateofcircle

        I actually meant my post as a response to his. I know he mentioned it, and we know that these things happen and exist, I am just wondering about the actual documents…. as in, are there a good amount of docs that explicitly detail the drugs, sex and fraud, via staff directly acknowledging it? Something along the lines of “John is having sex with Susie. John sells heroin and Susie has sex with him for the heroin once a week. John leaves the campus to get the heroin on Wednesdays. Sometimes, Susie performs oral sex on John if he has ecstasy. Susie was noticeably out of it today. It is probably because she is doing heroin.” Not just passing mentions of it. How much and how extensive is the documentation of this stuff?

  • PreferToBeAnon2
    • i am actually afraid to look .

      • PreferToBeAnon2

        Tony updated the story with Rinder’s pertinent comments…

  • SP ‘Onage

    Channel 2 investigative reporter Jodie Fleischer was there Friday as investigators hauled away nearly two dozen computer hard drives and laptops. There were so many boxes of financial paperwork that authorities rented a U-Haul van to remove them from the Norcross facility.

    http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local/investigators-raid-narconon-georgia/nXYzJ/

    Oops, Tony already linked to the story…sorry

  • Still_On_Your_Side

    If there is a pattern of insurance fraud across several states, it may no longer be just a state issue. The Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act states that “knowingly and willfully” committing fraud in any health care benefit program is a federal crime. The list of federal laws that may have been broken goes on and on. Some of the Narconon victims were federal employees, and their federal health insurance policy covered their stay. Narconon may also have submitted false claims directly to Medicare or the military health care program. Narconon used the federal mail system, telephone lines, etc. etc. Simply doing business in interstate commerce gives the Feds jurisdiction over insurance fraud. If the Feds want to get involved, there are many avenues they can take and under much of Federal law companies can be convicted of crimes.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      I was wondering about this.

      • PreferToBeAnon2

        It crossed my mind too… please pass another piece of that cop cake over here–with extra icing please!

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Too late…

          [IMG]http://i42.tinypic.com/t9i0y9.jpg[/IMG]

          • PreferToBeAnon2

            you owe me a new monitor THDNE!

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Okay, here ‘ya go. Just don’t forget to feed on schedule.

              [IMG]http://i39.tinypic.com/2igyrtw.jpg[/IMG]

            • NEVER AFTER MIDNIGHT!

            • FistOfXenu

              Who’s that boy with David Miscavige?

    • Missionary Kid

      I would like to see RICO tacked on, but that’s just a hope.

  • TonyOrtega

    Mike Rinder’s statement about the raid is harsh and should help the “indie” community put these events in the proper perspective. I’ve added some of his words to the post.

    • DodoTheLaser

      Can we add: “Scientology needs well-meaning dupes like machines need lubrication.” ~ Veda
      It might help in the long run.

  • SS

    Oh please please please let the name Miscavige be prominent on those computers, although I imagine he has fire-walled himself pretty well from this mess.

    Hopefully the lesser informed public and authorities are now realizing that Narconon IS the Church of Scientology and they operate exactly the same way – through lies, fraud, death, deception, and exploitation. These people simply have no moral fiber.

  • SP ‘Onage

    I am salivating for more raid pictures. Are there anymore?

    • SP ‘Onage

      Video!! Investigators raid Narconon of Georgia

      Showing boxes of papers and more….

      http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local/investigators-raid-narconon-georgia/nXYzJ/

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Thanks. I’m going to watch that over and over until my popcorn bowl is empty.

        I could not believe how run down and neglected that place looks, especially with the kind of $$$ they’ve been pulling down. The front door is a shambles, the lock is misplaced, the blinds are bent and uneven, the paint is peeling off, the lawn …. well it just looks like a shabby drug house.

        • SP ‘Onage

          Ur welcome! I bout shat myself when I saw it. heh

        • SP ‘Onage

          That one photo with the board miraculously hanging on and the paint peeling looks like 1313 Mockingbird Lane.

        • Missionary Kid

          “…a shabby drug house.” That’s what it is.

      • BuryTheNuts2

        Wow, I would watch this over and over just for fun.

  • Yeppir

    This is so awesome, and log overdue.

    And tomorrow we should see many puff stories about Kelly Preston. Anyone want to bet?

  • BosonStark

    It’s just a few bad apples, desperately trying to keep their stats up. State and county officials/police can be paid off easily, but I’m not so sure about those insurance companies. They aren’t going to like this at all.

    Of course, the optimist in me would like to believe this is beginning of the end for Narconon. There must’ve been a lot of insurance fraud going on.

  • Espiando

    I hope like crazy that the Indies are listening to Mike, for one good reason: one time, I posted over at Marty’s blog that one of the big reasons I don’t want to get involved with Scientology was the Purif. I said that I didn’t believe that it worked, and it sure as hell didn’t work the way Hubtard said that it did. The peanut brigade came out in force on me and defended the Purif as some magical thing that caused them to blow charge and have cognitions about medications they took during childhood and all the rest of the blather.

    Well, Scinos, what’s the core of Narconon’s treatment? The Purif. If it worked, why did Patrick Desmond do heroin? Why has the best place to score drugs become any Narconon oh-no-we’re-not-residential residence? Some Indies will say they’re applying the Tech incorrectly? Wrong. The fact is that they are applying the Tech correctly, and that’s why this is happening. Narconon Georgia and Narconon Arrowhead and all the rest of them are using Standard Tech, and people are dying because of it.

    Rinder’s words might put some ideas into the minds of die-hard Indies, and this might be a way for them to take the next step. Please, let this happen.

    One more thing: Luke, Eric, be very careful right now. Knowing OSA, what are the chances that there’s something in there that could incriminate you (faked, obviously)?

  • DeElizabethan

    Wahoo! Great balls of (fire) news.

  • This is great! Maybe the authorities will see where Narconon is sending all of the money and some of the chief executives in the Church Of $cientology will be found guilty as well. $cientology is a criminal organization.

  • California

    This calls for some celebration….

    After all the pain and harm that Narconon/SCN/OSA has caused and is still trying to cause, to patients, families, ex’es, activists, it feels great that finally, after decades, there is some accountability.

    And hopefully there will be more accountability this year of 2013 and by this time next year ALL of the Narconons will be gone.

    • Bella Legosi

      I can see spontaneous clam bake bbqs tonight 🙂 why is that george jones playing in the background? lol that is a nice visualization 🙂 have fun tonight folks

    • aquaclara

      Thank you, Cali….we know you’re in here working hard.

      • California

        Actually, most of the hard work around Narconon Rehab and Narconon Drug Education was done over the years, not just currently ….. OSA is attacking all of us now as the hard work (which they denigrated) is finally paying off, the ex’s (like Luke and so many others) are getting media attention, Anonymous and the Internet, and those people harmed by Narconon are working well with officials, getting attorneys when necessary, and calling it like it is.

        The historic DEA involvement with Narconon (as documented by Luke in his book on pages 106-107) is the worrisome topic right now, as the DEA is trying to get access to kids in the SF Bay Area and elsewhere, by personable agents are linking up with high-school and middle-school student-based groups and trying to form relationships with kids, without parental knowledge or consent. (Doesn’t this sound familiar?) This is problematic because the DEA has the right to seize property (like houses), kids frequently are not the best “historians” of what is so around anything having to do with substance abuse issues and the political climate becomes nasty, as the DEA swings its considerable weight around.

        • aquaclara

          Wow. My kids did go through DARE and they wore the shirts, etc. I don ‘t know how much it helped, but it was cult-free, and well-intentioned. I did not know about the DEA.
          Thanks. More work ahead.

          • California

            As the California Department of Ed evaluation of Narconon Drug Education states, one-shot exposures to drug education, like D.A.R.E. and Narconon Drug Ed, do not work….. it literally takes substance abuse education starting from kindergarten (learning about making good decisions) up through college….

            Plus there is alot else wrong with both “programs” much of it delineated in the CDE report.

            Both the DEA and Narconon/SCN want access to kids and their challenges….. for law enforcement purposes for the DEA and to get kids into Narconon Drug Rehab and then into SCN for SCN, of course. And we have reason to think that Narconon shared and does not share the confidential folders with the DEA.

      • California

        I am a supporter of law enforcement but have looked at the DEA with a dubious eye since the 1990’s when they forced schools to use their D.A.R.E. substance abuse education classes, arguably (as numerous research studies have shown, citations available upon request) the worst, except for Narconon Drug Education. A simple request from a small citizen’s board to replace D.A.R.E. with a better program generated such pressure on a local supervisor (who did not appear to be scared of anything or anybody previously) to request that the board cease its inquiry and advocacy of replacing D.A.R.E. When the push was on to evaluate Narconon Drug Education there was alot of joking about evaluating D.A.R.E. along with it… but as one senior official said, there were 15 studies at that time, almost all showing that participating in D.A.R.E. made students MORE LIKELY to use, and the DEA refused to change D.A.R.E.

        Anybody with any knowledge of the DEA and Narconon, please let us know what you know, if you can do it safely.

    • ParticleMom

      I was looking forward to your response, California! Thank you for all your hard work.

  • t1kk

    Too many comments to wade through to see if this has been mentioned, but what I think is going on here isn’t about finding criminal culpability, for insurance fraud anyway, against one or even multiple Narconon employees (it’s too much work for the state to generate a case against one or a few individuals who are probably just following orders, and the insurance companies don’t really care about criminal culpability, they just want to get paid), but rather the insurance company/companies leveraging the state to generate evidence for a civil case against Narconon GA (and if it folds, a la CoS California, then against a larger Scientology entity).

    • aquaclara

      This would be great, but does the state law that says they can only file insurance fraud against a person, not a company, affect this at all?

      • t1kk

        I’m sure the state law pertains to criminal culpability and not civil liability. A state wouldn’t be able to immunize corporations from general liability for fraud.

        • EnthralledObserver

          I have absolutely NO legal experience, so bear with me (and forgive me), but if found guilty of fraud (and I know I’m getting ahead of myself) will the funds sent uplines for using the LRon tech etc be required to be returned even if they cannot find Scientology themselves at fault (although I hope they can)?

          • Spackle Motion

            It depends on federal and state laws. Not knowing them intimately, I can guess (using my very limited law school knowledge) that Tikk is right. I’m sure that there are enough corporate structures in place that protect Scientology (as an entity) from criminal liability. It may happen (it is a small chance) that there is enough direct evidence for officers at RTC to be criminally culpable if named directly. But it is a small chance.

            What would be fantastic is a direct line of authority, from RTC, authorizing and condoning the fraud. But we all know that Miscavige has enough corporate attorneys to prevent this from happening.

            • EnthralledObserver

              Thanks for that… but what I really wanted to know is if the money, because it was fraudulently obtained (if proven) has to be returned by those Narconon’d creditors regardless of whether they were involved in the fraud or not. For example, if I bought a car and then the police informed me it was stolen property, despite having paid for it the police would seize it and return it to it’s owner. Does the same logic and law apply here?

            • Spackle Motion

              Again, I’ll defer to a criminal or corporate attorney (which I am not) that is knowledgeable in these things, but the scenario that you present isn’t what (most likely) happened here. I’m not familiar with the corporate structure of Narconon, but if it is a for-profit enterprise it can possibly be a S corp or a C corp, which has limited liability for the shareholders (which would most likely be a Scientology shell entity). In other words, it may be difficult to pinpoint criminal culpability on the shareholders and/or officers because of the criminal acts of its employees (unless you can pin something on Mary Reiser, et al). There are corporate veils that have to be punched through.

              So funneling stolen money through the corporate coffers may be difficult to trace to specific members of the corporate org chart resulting in arrests and eventual indictments. But we don’t know what the evidence will show and how this will unfold.

              This is why I’m going to be elated that the po-po finally did a long-needed raid but I’ll maintain my skepticism of any real charges being filed outside of Ms. Mary Lie-a-lot. But it is definitely a great step in the right direction.

            • t1kk

              Corporations are formed to shield its shareholders from individual liability but corporations are also formed to act as a shield to protect large corporations. I am fairly certain Narconon GA has relatively few assets to satisfy the type of judgment it’s facing (perhaps the Tipping Point people have a better idea of this), so it’s going to be left to the insurance companies to find the far-more-solvent and controlling parent corporation which can afford to pay the sort of judgment likely to result from all this. For the purposes of this document haul, while the DA will be looking for signs of individuals’ culpability, the insurance companies will be focused on evidence of ABLE and/or other Scientology-related entities’ control over Narconon GA.

            • Spackle Motion

              Again, I’ll defer to a criminal or corporate attorney (which I am not) that is knowledgeable in these things, but the scenario that you present isn’t what (most likely) happened here. I’m not familiar with the corporate structure of Narconon, but if it is a for-profit enterprise it can possibly be a S corp or a C corp, which has limited liability for the shareholders (which would most likely be a Scientology shell entity). In other words, it may be difficult to pinpoint criminal culpability on the shareholders and/or officers because of the criminal acts of its employees (unless you can pin something on Mary Reiser, et al). There are corporate veils that have to be punched through.

              So funneling stolen money through the corporate coffers may be difficult to trace to specific members of the corporate org chart resulting in arrests and eventual indictments. But we don’t know what the evidence will show and how this will unfold.

              This is why I’m going to be elated that the po-po finally did a long-needed raid but I’ll maintain my skepticism of any real charges being filed outside of Ms. Mary Lie-a-lot. But it is definitely a great step in the right direction.

          • Missionary Kid

            I think they’re going to claim that the moneys are for royalties for LRH’s copyrighted tech.

            • EnthralledObserver

              Undoubtedly, yep I agree, but is there any law stating that because the funds were obtained fraudulently that the money would need to be returned anyway?

            • Missionary Kid

              I would imagine so. At least, it will mean less money going to Co$.

          • t1kk

            Criminal cases have less to do with money than civil suits. If it’s accurate that Georgia can only charge individuals for insurance fraud (and if insurance fraud is the only charge here), yes, it can fine those individuals at the penalty/sentencing phase, but this isn’t how the insurance companies are going to be made whole. For that, the insurance companies will likely file a civil suit. Depending on how this plays out–how strong a hand the insurance companies are dealt as a result of this document haul–we might not even hear about the civil suit because Scientology could just instantly meet the insurance companies’ figure.

            • EnthralledObserver

              Oh, okay… I think I understand now what you (and others) have said. The govt will convict individuals of fraud, then the Insurance companies will go off the back of thatin a civil case to try to get their money from Narconon or even Scientology depending on the evidence revealed and how the fraud case played out.
              Have I got it?

            • t1kk

              Indeed. And further even, what I’m suggesting is that the impetus for this raid was less about gaining a conviction over individuals than about procuring evidence for the insurance companies’ civil suit. They’re not mutually exclusive of course–it’s not a zero sum game; the motivations even support each other. But (and this is just speculation that aligns with my world view, mind you, I don’t know any of the principals and don’t want to cast aspersions) I’m not convinced this raid happens if the insurance companies weren’t ripped off and this were merely a public health and safety matter.

            • EnthralledObserver

              Hmm.. yep, I hear you. Thank you for indulging me.

      • Still_On_Your_Side

        Insurance companies can sue health care provider companies in any state no matter what the state law says about criminal fraud liability. To get paid for health care, a provider enters into a contractual relationship with the insurer. Fraudulent claim submission is a breach of that contract. No matter what the state law says, an insurer can sue for breach of contract. Whether or not there is a criminal liability for the company under state law, I can’t see how the state can prevent an insurer from also suing the provider for fraud as a business tort.

        • Spackle Motion

          Still_On_Your_Side, I need to point out that Narconon is not a network provider for most (if not all) health insurance companies, meaning that there is no contract between the provider and the insurance company. So there won’t be that line of redress between the two parties. It will have to rely upon proving fraud in the courts.

          • Still_On_Your_Side

            Interesting. Thanks for pointing that out. It’s amazing the insurers paid any claims, much less $160k for one patient, without pre-existing contracts.
            .

            • Spackle Motion

              It was most likely paid through out-of-network benefits, but it depends on the coverage. A PPO or POS has OON coverage that will reimburse either the member or the provider depending on how the claim is filled out. There is usually a checkbox on the claim form that indicates “pay the member” or “pay the provider”. I’m guessing that Narconon fraudulently filled out claim forms (that require the members’ signatures that my have been forged) to “pay the provider”.

            • Spackle Motion

              I need to add that even OON providers can electronically submit claims that do not require a forged signature however it does require an attestation, which is electronically “signed’ under the penalty of perjury and all other applicable laws.

            • Bella Legosi

              😀 ah the delete button is only in the mind

    • SP ‘Onage

      Is it possible the Feds can legally have a look-see at all these doxs?

      • t1kk

        Sure, they could request it. I’m skeptical they would.

        • SP ‘Onage

          Thanks.

        • Spackle Motion

          I expect that all other Narconons will be doing a LOT of shredding and deleting of files starting today.

          • EnthralledObserver

            That was the depressing thought I had too… and it made me wonder how realistic and possible it is to ‘make it all go away’ that easily?

            • Spackle Motion

              I won’t put my real thoughts to your question in a public forum. But forensics have a funny way of getting data.

    • And the best way to get the evidence necessary to prosecute the leader of Scientology is to go after his underlings.

      All good, as I see it.

      Am I missing something?

      Alanzo

      • t1kk

        You’re assuming Georgia shares your goals and I doubt that’s the case.

        • Then Georgia is out-ethics and she needs to be sec-checked immediately.

    • PreferToBeAnon2

      After media exposure, you think the state will just drop it? Deflated at the thought here. Ralph Hudgens, the insurance commissioner is an elected official (he also served 14 years in the GA Senate)– I would think he wants a bit of glory, not just leveraging state law enforcement for a civil case for insurance companies… sigh…

      • t1kk

        Perhaps the state will want some convictions but most Narconon employees are small potatoes. Perhaps they’re targeting Mary Reiser. It doesn’t have to be one or the other, but my sense is that this is more about the insurance company recouping its losses than about heads on stakes.

    • May_West

      That would be lovely, but I hope while they are setting up the cos to hemorrhage blood money they feel a need to make an example of a couple of narconon Georgia crooks (maybe just to justify to the public spending all those bucks on an investigation) and that the crooks are ultimately found guilty of fraud … and that this information reverberates through all the orgs in the galaxy, scares some scinos shitless, and results in mass exodus.
      And … I really hope they follow the money right to cob’s offshore bank accounts.

    • Still_On_Your_Side

      I agree that would be the route an insurance company would take if it wanted its money back. It might even get triple damages under several civil statutes. It could have brought that case already, however, and tried to pierce the Narconon veil to get to the church and it hasn’t. I think Georgia and the insurance companies are ticked off at the arrogance of the magnitude of the fraud. Insurance fraud through a little padding here and there, or misrepresentation of a treatment is pretty common. But $160,000 worth of blatant fraud for one patient, hospitalization without a hospital, etc., that’s pretty outrageous. To get to that level, Narconon must have been testing the waters for some time. So, I bet there is a ton of evidence demonstrating fraud.

      Ex-Narconon patients throughout the country are probably looking at their insurance claims tonight and/or seeking legal help to get money back. Even if they had no complaint before, the bad publicity is going to put every little thing in a different light, including ailments that may have been exacerbated by the saunas and niacin. I imagine there will be an explosion of lawsuits, including lawsuits by doctors whose names have fraudulently used by Narconon.

      • t1kk

        I disagree that they necessarily could have made the case already. And why would they if they can push the state to raid and have wheeled out for them a truckload of documents they’d otherwise have to request in discovery?

      • RMycroft

        I think patients at other Narconons should check their insurance claims too. In a leaked email, Gary Smith seemed unusually miffed at an insurance company that wouldn’t send payments directly to Narconon Arrowhead.

    • DodoTheLaser

      Hey, Scott! Happy Birthday!

      Thank you for all you do Mister.
      The Bunker is lucky to have you!
      Wish you a new bright day!

  • aquaclara

    So as we all cheer, comment and express our thanks, I just wanted to say that this is the absolute best LIVE BLOG ever! I want to up-vote every funny, snarky, brilliant and serious comment. I postponed my dog’s walk, and instead,tried to pawn off a funny vid of a cat dressed in a shark costume on a rumba followed by a duck (google it and show your dog-it’s on You Tube.).
    Tony, you are the place for all breaking news on Scientology. I have yummy treats for your dog, who must be missing a few walks, too. Thanks for the stellar coverage and the timely updates.
    Now back to viewing….this is big stuff.

  • Douglas D. Douglas

    So, anything happen while I was busy today…?

    • Missionary Kid

      Straight from COB, “There’s nothing of interest that has happened. Go back to your cave.”

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        Yes sir.

  • John P.

    Interesting new development: for the first time I’ve tried it, if you type “Narconon” into Teh Google, the first page of results comes up with multiple critical articles, including news about the search warrants executed here, and the link to the Rock Center show. I have suspected for a while that an important reason Narconon is thriving relative to the rest of the cult is that they have been able to keep bad news off the first page of search results, so many desperate parents thinking about sending their kids off to Narconon won’t see the negative stuff without doing more work than they might be able to do in their distraught condition while their kid lies inert on the couch in the middle of an OD.

    This is a watershed. Unfortunately, the cult is already testing their likely response: renaming the centers so they can step away from the negative publicity increasingly attached to the Narconon name. Opponents need to figure out very quickly a way to get sites put together with factual evidence showing the basis of the programs at these newly renamed centers and then get them up the search engine rankings so that people see critical sites for renamed deathtraps like the one in Michigan.

    • Nar~ ca ~can’t ??

    • Bella Legosi

      That is why I hope that ABLE was or is or may be considered in the search or at the least considered when they begin to read all those documents. As for the other quackery rehabs their day too will come, whether it takes someone to die as a result I know not. But hope this serves as a big warning to other quackery to get their shit together.

    • Dude, the gang at Tipping Point have been working on that for a couple years now…

    • Still_On_Your_Side

      If they are changing their names in order to remove the Narconon taint, all the more reason for state licensing agencies to pull their license. I also don’t understand their thinking, are they going to change the name every time they are exposed? How long will that fly with the local community? The steamroller is moving against them. I think there is no way they can “fix” the situation, and no scam they can pull that will work. If Narconon survives this explosion, it will be openly a church-run operation, and it will be used primarily as a fundraising gimmick.

    • Missionary Kid

      I think the $cions are moving it down by clicking on their sites. It’s now down to about 5th.

      • FistOfXenu

        DM must have an order out to the mOrgs to sit on google, but it looks like people are clicking on critical stuff too. Maybe we should all join in as a kind of protest? And Anonymous could spread it world wide?

        Also when I googled “narconon” on about page 4 was this link to $cientology’s official site
        “Official Church of Scientology: Narconon, Arrowhead Center, Drug …
        http://www.scientology.org/david-miscavige/narconon.html

        Learn more about Narconon, the drug rehabilitation and prevention program
        based on L. Ron Hubbard’s research. Learn about the Narconon Arrowhead
        center …”

        I didn’t click on it so I avoided kicking it up the ratings but that also means I don’t know details. But it’s the cult’s own site so it’ll be horseshit. But it sure looks like NarCONon is close to the Demented Midget’s heart – or where his heart would be if he had one.

        • Missionary Kid

          I think it would be nice if Anonymous got involved with clicks, but it’s a low priority. Anything that impedes people from hooking up with NARCOCRAP is a win, though.

          When it comes time to link NN with Co$ to pierce the veil of separation between the two to sue the hell out of Co$, that may possibly be used as evidence of their working in concert. Co$ will argue that they are only highlighting the use of the sacred teachings of LRH. My opinion is that they’re trying to get people to eat bat guano for breakfast.

  • As I’m sure many reporters following this story here might be thinking of an angle to best approach a long-form story here’s my suggestion – it’s an absolute doozy and would cause a global phenomena …. or shit loads of hits and would be likely to be picked up by every media outlet in the Western world.

    Now that we know that the scions have been illegally bilking insurance companies for the quack rehab con what do you reckon the odds are that they’ve fraudulently done the same to all that crap that Cruise was pushing with the New York Firemen after 9/11 …. howzabout them onions? “World’s biggest movie star involved in ripping off insurance companies during 9/11” …. Travolta has also been seen in numerous puff PR photo ops involving firemen and dubious drug treatment stuff; along with his own charities [check their connections to scientology] wouldn’t it be amazing if he was caught double billing also, eh?

    This is exactly the kind of story that Murdoch should be instructing his reporters to look into!

    • Bella Legosi

      Yup

  • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

    This so-called “raid” has gotten out of hand and is on the television!

    COB has ordered we in RTC to fly to Atlanta on JT’s private jet and handle this.

    Just wait til we get there! We will handle this the same way we handled Mike, Marty, Amy, Matt, John, Marc, Claire, Karen, Dan, Tanya, Jenna, and all the other blown Sea Org members!

  • Missionary Kid

    To those in the Eastern U.S. time zone: Please let us know if there’s any mention of the raid on Rock Center. I would expect only a mention, since it’s a news magazine type show.

  • Douglas D. Douglas

    I don’t know what all the whooping and hollering is about. Obviously, once all the emails and files have been reviewed, the authorities will see that Narconon is being operated by the most ethical people on the planet, and that will be the end of that.

    • EnthralledObserver

      Heh, heh… I think your ‘sacasm’ is showing…
      😉

  • sugarplumfairy

    So.. If they’re found guilty of fraud, what happens to the tax-exempt status? Anything? I hope?

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      That seems highly unlikely. Narconon would be shuttered, but the CoS would roll on. That could change if they found credible links to the actual CoS hierarchy.

      Remember when Jim Bakker went to jail? And his PTL Ministry then folded? But who remembers that the whole thing was under the umbrella of the Assemblies of God. Bakker did his time and PTL came to an end, but the AG still rolls on– tax exempt as ever.

  • Sherbet

    I didn’t watch Rock Center. Does anyone know if there was there a mention of the raid?

  • *stunned silence*

    Anyone else feel like pinching themselves this week?

    • As we’ve all been saying, Tick Tock Tick Tock…time IS on **our** side, and OH BABY it is TODAY!
      To those still holding out “in”….as I’ve said for years now: BAIL WHILE U STILL CAN!
      ((I’m not kidding)) Love to ALL 🙂 :::cheers::: Tory/Magoo

  • Still_On_Your_Side

    I think the best part of the raid is that the media and the public worldwide have received a message that the CoS is in trouble and the cruel, abusive bully is no longer teflon coated.

    The raid is not the opinion of one person that Miscavige can shut up with threats and fair gaming. It is a police action, and the public will rightly view it as proof that Narconon and the church are shady. Every news story is stating that Narconon is a Scientology operation. This is a far cry from the Feshbach case in Florida where Narconon tried to get the court to agree that the church and Narconon were separate. The raid may get the Feds off their duff, and it will definitely cause more Narconon victims to speak out. Hopefully, politicians around the country will stop being frightened of Narconon and will shut down Narconon centers before anyone else dies.

  • SandiCorrena

    I step away for a minute to Relay For Life and come home and discover it’s Christmas in April!!!!!!!!!

  • SP ‘Onage

    If the inside looks anything like the outside of that place. The Health Department should raid them next. I bet there is <:3)~~ droppings in the kitchen cupboards.

    I still can't get over how nasty it looks.

  • jensting

    That’s more like it! This is how one should deal with a criminal organisation.
    Hopefully, after the Enron lawsuits, the proper authorities are more alert to missing documents so that when they raid narCONon Int and narCONon Arrowhead, they won’t be surprised that there are no e-mails between Smith and other narCONon employees about the “insurance lines” – wasn’t that what he called it – that he was going to arrange for narCONon Int to drill all narCONon companies on. So while it’s possible that some files are missing, the examples furnished by the most excellent whistleblowers should give the authorities ample reason to look for files elsewhere. (Hint: Gold Base and Flag 🙂 )

    • jensting

      Oh, and vote to like every single post by any ex-victim of narCONon turned whistleblower who’s gracing us with their presence here. That’s how it is done. You’re setting an example not only to ex-victims of the criminal organisation known as the “church” of $cientology but to everyone.

  • 0tessa

    What a good news, early morning at the other side of the pond!

  • Spackle Motion

    I couldn’t resist this very fitting song/video:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_ixpgKrIxw

    “Mary Mary, where are you going to?”
    “Mary Mary, tell me truly”

    As sung by the vocal stylings of the Monkees. Perfect.

  • Spackle Motion

    I couldn’t resist this very fitting song/video:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_ixpgKrIxw

    “Mary Mary, where are you going to?”
    “Mary Mary, tell me truly”

    As sung by the vocal stylings of the Monkees. Perfect.

  • EnthralledObserver

    Like the authorities (actually investigating the cult) I am going to try something new too… an avatar…

    • PreferToBeAnon2

      very fetching.

      • EnthralledObserver

        Well thank you… it’s my version of an anonymous Guy Fawkes mask. You’d never recognise me in real life.

  • NCSP

    What a bizarre situation if it turns out that Mary Rieser was the straw that broke the camel’s back. LRH and his miraculous tech, and COB and his genius administration, brought low by a poor liar with a shabby bob.

  • Damn. Damn. Damn. I swore when I walked away I would never look back. I was there for the first raid, knew more than I should have, and have been gone since shortly afterwards. It always blew my mind that the Scientology survived that one. They shouldn’t have. So many good people took bullets for LRH.

    The big difference this time is that Miscavige doesn’t have Heber to prop him up and is so full of himself he would not use Heber but think he was the only one who could possibly fix the mess all those other people made. I sincerely hope

    a) the people still clinging to to hope will finally se the light due to this fiasco and run rather than be placated by his incomprehensible lies and
    b) the people he tries to push under a bus realize this is finally their chance and push him under instead.

    A girl’s gotta have her dreams. Ok back to my hidey hole.

  • Chloe Wallace

    Hope that this issue will come to an end. This drug rehab center is ruining the name of it being a rehab center that should be helping people recovering from addiction. I’m so sick hearing this kind of news. Thank goodness that there are far more good rehab centers that are dedicated with their job.