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—————- In anticipation of her biggest day in court yet, Laura DeCrescenzo and her attorneys hit the Church of Scientology with 928 pages of new filings —————- Details from 18,000 pages of evidence show how Scientology manipulated a child to keep her working under slave-like conditions —————- A key document describing DeCrescenzo’s unwillingness to have her coerced abortion is missing from the evidence Scientology was ordered to produce By Tony Ortega Wednesday afternoon, Laura DeCrescenzo filed explosive new information in her four-year legal odyssey against the Church of Scientology, submitting 928 pages of new declarations and exhibits in anticipation of a crucial October 23 hearing in her lawsuit against the church which alleges abuse, including allegations that she was forced to have an abortion at only 17 years of age. Key to the new filings is information gleaned from thousands of pages of previously secret files that the church fought mightily to keep under wraps. But on Monday, the U.

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Scientology’s Atlanta Drug Rehab Crumbling: Executive Director Mary Rieser Out

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We’ve commented in the past how remarkable it is that some of Atlanta’s local news outlets have banded together to keep a close watch on one of Scientology’s more intriguing messes going on there.

Pete Combs of WSB Radio, Jodie Fleischer of WSB-TV, and Christian Boone of the Atlanta Journal-Constitution have coordinated their coverage as a wrongful death and civil racketeering lawsuit has exposed shocking improprieties at Scientology’s drug rehab center in Atlanta, known as Narconon Georgia.

With a trial looming, the case has been going terribly for Scientology, and the state has announced its intention to revoke the facility’s license and shut the place down.

And last night, Combs tweeted the latest sign that things are going to hell in a handbasket for Scientology leader David Miscavige’s side: Narconon Georgia Executive Director Mary Rieser has apparently lost her position, when she had been doing such an effective job lying like a rug.

We say that not as a matter of opinion, but as a matter of settled legal fact. Mary Rieser’s obfuscations, delaying tactics, and outright canards were so outrageous, Narconon Georgia suffered what was called a “death penalty” in the civil litigation. State Court Judge Stacey Hydrick sanctioned Narconon Georgia after determining that Rieser had lied under oath. Her decision also threw out Narconon Georgia’s answer to the original complaint in the lawsuit, and a jury would not be able to hear those arguments. It’s about as harsh a decision as a judge can make before a trial even starts.

The dogged researchers over at the Reaching for the Tipping Point Forum, meanwhile, keep digging up remarkable documents in the case, and one they posted recently may help explain why Scientology needed Rieser to skeedaddle, and why things may not go very well for Narconon when the trial starts on February 11.

Mary Rieser's lips are moving...

Mary Rieser’s lips are moving…

First, a quick review of the background: In June 2008, Patrick Desmond, a Marine veteran and son of an Army Green Beret, died after using heroin for the first time. He had been a patient and was working at Narconon Georgia and stayed in its housing unit, some apartments at a complex called One Sovereign Place which had been leased by a Scientologist couple. Narconon Georgia was not licensed to run an in-patient facility, but that didn’t stop Narconon from running the unlicensed housing, which turned out to be rife with drug and alcohol abuse. Court testimony in the lawsuit alleges that Mary Rieser regularly lied to a Florida drug court, for example, which had sent Desmond to what it believed was a secure, in-patient rehab center.

Why did Narconon lie? Perhaps because you can charge a lot more money for an in-patient stay than you can for an out-patient center where patients go to their own homes at night.

Anyway, Jeff Harris, the Desmond family attorney, recently filed a stunning document written in 2008 by Mary Rieser in which she pretty much lays out the entire mess. Why did she do something so unwise as that? Because she appeared pissed off that it was interference by the local Church of Scientology that was exacerbating her attempt to run the unlicensed housing unit, which was being leased by church members Don and Maria Delgado.

That’s significant, because as soon as a Narconon gets in trouble, it squeals like a stuck pig that it has no connection to Scientology. (We’re seeing the same thing in Oklahoma, where three patients died in only nine months at Narconon’s flagship facility, Narconon Arrowhead, resulting in multiple lawsuits and government investigations.)

Rieser’s document is about as damning as it gets, showing that Narconon Georgia, Narconon International (which the report was delivered to), and the local “org” — Scientology church — were caught up in the farce to provide housing that, in Rieser’s own words, was riddled with drug use, leading to the night of June 10, when “a sad thing happened,” Rieser says, referring to Desmond’s death on June 11.

After that, she seems mainly concerned with controlling “entheta” — bad publicity — on YouTube and with protests by Anonymous.

It’s a devastating document, and it’s no wonder that Scientology wants Rieser out of the picture. The folks at Tipping Point have heard rumors that Rieser is now at Flag — Scientology’s spiritual mecca in Clearwater, Florida — getting sec-checked within an inch of her life.

“Sec-checking” is Scientology’s brutal form of interrogation, and it can take days and days to break down a subject — who then is handed a bill for the privilege, which can easily total in the thousands. (We recently talked to an active church member who estimated that he’d spent half a million dollars over his Scientology career just on his interrogations.)

In another sign that Scientology knows that it’s in for a shellacking, Narconon International — the entity that local drug rehab facilities have to pay for the right to use L. Ron Hubbard’s quack therapies — has asked for a separate trial. (Another nice tidbit from the court filing below — Harris points out that Narconon International is getting legal help from Kendrick Moxon, a lawyer long in the employ of the church itself and who was named as an unindicted co-conspirator way back in the Operation Snow White prosecution following the FBI’s raid of Scientology in 1977.)

For decades, Scientology has been extremely effective snowing courts and news organizations about the way its many entities actually work, and through the use of obfuscation and double-talk. What’s so remarkable in this case is that those strategies are repeatedly backfiring both in a court of law and in the local Atlanta media, which is watching this case so closely. We hope media around the rest of the country finally starts paying closer attention as well. Mary Rieser’s saga is turning into a textbook example of how Scientology really works. We hope that lesson gets learned.

So, here’s the court document. Scroll down to Exhibit A, Mary Rieser’s touching gripe session titled “Things That Shouldn’t Be.” You’ll be glad you did.

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UPDATE: Pete Combs piles on even further, reporting this morning that the state is now investigating allegations of insurance fraud after evidence turned up that Narconon Georgia billed United Health Care $166,000 for doctor visits that never happened. Ay, carumba.

PS: We notice that Combs is spelling Mary’s last name as “Reiser” in his tweet and his latest story, but in that court document, Mary signs her own last name “Rieser,” and official Narconon websites also spell her name “Rieser.” So we’re going to stick with that unless we see something more convincing to the contrary.

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Posted by Tony Ortega on January 30, 2013 at 07:00

 

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  • http://www.facebook.com/PaulJaySalerno Paul Jay Salerno

    Hi Dave :-)

    • SP ‘Onage

      XD

      • BuryTheNuts2

        Oh, Oh…OH…this is so good I have to confess it in front of everyone!!!

        I just now “got” your screen name. Like JUST NOW!

        How thick am I?
        No wonder I live in Flor-i-DUH…I fit right it!

        • SP ‘Onage

          Yeah, I picked that screen name to piss OSA off, lawl! I actually found the name on a 007 parody site and thought it was a perfect name for a sci-watcher. :)

        • Sandy

          I don’t get it …

          • Midwest Mom

            SP ‘Onage = espionage

            • SP ‘Onage

              Exactly. Since scientology is so covert, I thought SP’s can be too. :)

  • tetloj

    Just wow. There is a lot to digest here but what resonates in the document by Reiser is the commitment above everything else – above the safety and welfare of patients – is to make things go right for Scientology. I’m quite speechless.

    • mirele

      “Things That Shouldn’t Be” makes clear (heh heh) the relationship between NN and Scn. So much for being separate.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Yep, so clear that maybe even judges and insur investigators and courts and govt officials and maybe even politicians will be able to understand it.

        It also makes it clear that the patients are running the place and the staff need to be in a nice quite room where they can’t continue to harm themselves or others. As to scientology’s executives who are in charge, they need to be in jail, period and All Narconon facilities (no matter what name they hide under) needs to be closed down Yesterday.

  • Dean Fox

    It’s a good job popcorn isn’t too fattening. :)

  • John P.

    I read through the “Things that Should Not Be” memo in detail, and recommend everyone else do the same. This appears to be a major gold mine on many fronts, clearly very helpful to the Desmonds’ case. It appears to provide compelling evidence in a single document of things that the critic community have known for a long time:

    a) Narconon is controlled directly and actively by Scientology. It’s fascinating that the Delgados (owners of the apartments that turned NN GA into an unlicensed residential treatment program) would run to the local Scientology org for help in what looks to me like reneging on a deal with NN.

    b) It links NN headquarters to decisions made at local orgs. This would support inclusion of NN International in the suit. And it may provide enough evidence that others suing Narconon in the future can increase the odds that they’ll be able to discover documents proving these links in other cases. One can hope in the future that, no matter what the name of the facility (Narconon’s latest dodge to hide their bad reputation), any facilities in states that regulate treatment centers which send money to Narconon get shut down… Hard to lie about the bank records moving money around, even if they lie about the nature of their treatment program.

    c) It also appears to tie WISE and ABLE in to the case. Again, documented evidence of their direct involvement in what looks like a costly disaster at NN GA should make it easier for them to be included in future legal actions by other plaintiffs. And this is particularly important, since these organizations seem to be the only growing contributors of money to Scientology HQ. So this may increase the chances that multiple suits significantly damages cult finances.

    d) “At the same time, from my hat as OT committee chairman I am dedicated to helping the Atlanta org go ideal.” Gee, that sure looks like evidence of a close tie between the cult and Narconon. So she’s doing all this stuff for the greater glory of Scientology, she’s not just a Narconon executive who “happens” to be a Scientologist.

    e) Moxon says, in his e-mail, “Note that the subpoena was to [Deb Danos, Atlanta Scientology staffer], not to the church for purposes of any transmittal cover letter or filing.” In other words, it sounds like he’s emphasizing that the cult itself is not named in the suit; it’s to the person as an individual. Sounds like they’re afraid that the cult will be added to the suit. Of course, after the documents are reviewed (wonder what was in that “box of documents” that Reiser talked about in the “Things That Should Not Be” note), it sounds like there might be evidence enough to add the cult to the list of defendants involved… I’m not sure of the legalese involved but it sure would be good for another ton of popcorn!

    These are the few things that jumped out at me in a quick review of the document. I’m hoping that others can find more stuff that would provide signposts for other Narconon suits in the future, and that would help draw the cult into the case.

    • Sherbet

      You’ve got it, John P. Let’s see narconon try to wriggle out of the obvious and continue to pretend that scn has nothing to do with it, court documents notwithstanding.

    • Chocolate Velvet

      I can’t offer legal analysis, but I will say that the “Things That Should Not Be” memo is a portrait of how scientology is cannibalizing itself to survive. If her account is to be believed, then NarCon’s stats were good until they had to start supporting the Delgados at the insistence of the org.

      Mary seems to blame that for ultimately causing drug abuse among their clients and ultimately Patrick’s death. Never mind the illegality and lack of state supervision of the whole in-patient operation. This is what happens when “ethics” takes the place of rule of law. If they had been in compliance with the law, sending their patients home at night, there would likely have been no intro to heroin for Patrick Desmond, and no “sad thing” would have happened.

      • Poison Ivy

        I got chills when I read about the “sad thing.” So much denial.

        • http://twitter.com/BumpItMcCarthy BumpIt McCarthy

          Non-Scientological lurking person here: the “sad thing” also sent chills up my spine. “A Sad Thing Happened” should be the title of the history of Narconon.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Gerard-Plourde/1127841398 Gerard Plourde

      The potential for adding other Scientology entities as defendants in this case does exist. There’s an outside chance it could even trigger a civil RICO count. I’d love some input from a litigator who has experience in the RICO area.

    • California

      And I think that the survivors of Narconon can play a major role in this endeavor and help heal themselves from the terrible Narconon experience, as well.

      There are thousands of people who went to Narconon and were fleeced: and the larger Narconons are making between $8M-10M per year, from what they admitted to doing…. and untold millions from the (supposed) insurance fraud.

      This is how I always hoped that Narconon would go down. Plus bringing down the ABLE people who were and are completely involved in setting it all up.

      Alot of elvish (elf= volunteer researcher in this endeavor) research work to complete over the next few days.

      Go Niners.

      • BuryTheNuts2

        Go Niners.

        ^^^ You will have some serious backup at my house.
        I will be postulating my ass off!
        (well at least hopefully that would be a side benefit)

      • Captain Howdy

        Go Niners ! (from an Outer Sunset boy)

        • California

          YES!

        • http://twitter.com/BradGreenwood2 Bradley Greenwood

          East Bay… but all NINERS!!!

      • http://www.facebook.com/gayle.smith.3994 Gayle Smith

        *loading up on chips, dips & a side of popcorn for sideshow* Hell, yes! This year I don’t even care what the commercials are. I just want to see the Niners bring it home!

        • California

          San Francisco winning both the World Series and the Super Bowl? Oh, my stars and little fishes. SF will get nothing done for a week with the celebrating!

          • dagobarbz

            I ain’t cleaning it up…

            • stillgrace

              Last week, I still saw traces of confetti here and there from the October celebration!

              Hard core Niner fan here! Last time we met with the Ravens was Thanksgiving 2011. I sat in a casino in Sparks, Nevada, watching that game!! So depressing!
              IT’S REVENGE TIME!!

            • BuryTheNuts2

              You must have been in the Nugget! Had you walked a half a block east you would have made it to the Great Basin Brewery. It is much less depressing! (even when your team is losing)

            • stillgrace

              I often stay at “John’s Place” when I’m in town, but for that game, I was at my Mom-in-law’s favorite place that served a fantastic turkey dinner with all the fixings (yum!), but I can’t remember the name.

              Great Basin Brewery is definitely a fun place to hang and experiment with different brewskies.

              You know your Sparks!

            • BuryTheNuts2

              I better! I lived in Reno/Sparks/Carson City/Verdi (I moved a lot) for 18 years.

          • http://www.facebook.com/gayle.smith.3994 Gayle Smith

            I think all of Northern California will have to take the week off. Me included. I’m more of an A’s girl, but Niners all the way.

    • http://twitter.com/katebornstein Kate Bornstein

      You always do the best analyses. Thank you. I also read the Things That Shouldn’t Be report, and came up with my own John P-ish list of observations:

      a) The report reads like a treatment for Mary Harman, Mary Hartman — or a film by The Coen Brothers.

      b) Mary Delgado went to Mexico—for “much of a year”—for auditing? Why not the local org?

      c) Mark Delgado had to be available in case he had to take people to the ER “for bumps and scrapes.” Who goes to the ER for bumps and scrapes. I’d love to see the ER reports of Narconon clients brought there in the middle of the night.

      d) She so matter-of-factly states that one of the students took [sic] some heroin. No follow-up to that beyond the guy was taken to hospital. And as a nit-picking observation: You don’t TAKE heroin, you shoot it. This woman has no idea of the language or culture of her clients.

      e) Loved the elephant-in-the-room one-sentence reference to “the already heavy Ideal Org debt.” AND she mentions later that this Things That Shouldn’t Be report, and the box of evidence will “in the long run, it will be of more benefit to the Ideal Org.” WTF?

      f) So wait — there were times, after the org stepped in and recruited Mark, that there was NO ONE watching the clients at night? And she FOUND “liquor and drug paraphernalia” and she KNEW there was a drug dealer dropping off heroin at the place? And still, NO ONE was watching at night??? AND: they decided that it was an overt to sell the product, and they went on DELIVERING it? And all this was going on while a MISSION was there????? Am I wrong on any of these observations????

      g) And this is the woman who’s running the OT committee? That group of the most capable, powerful, all knowing, and causative beings in the universe? Near the end of her report, she lists her achievements in that position. They’re all things that the org should have done for itself. Technically, she’s bypassing and handing the org—putting them in Danger condition. This is a Miscavige era innovation: public doing the job of the org. The Old Man never would have stood for it.

      h) And of course…. “A sad thing happened later in the evening.” Really? REALLY? A man DIED on her watch and this is all she can say. I’m flabbergasted.

      • John P.

        Kate, great to see your “eagle eyed detail detective” side; it complements your “Serene Goddess of Self-Acceptance and Peace” day job quite well.

        And she FOUND “liquor and drug paraphernalia” and she KNEW there was a drug dealer dropping off heroin at the place? And still, NO ONE was watching at night??? AND: they decided that it was an overt to sell the product, and they went on DELIVERING it?

        Yeah, apparently, allowing “students” to phone in orders for drugs isn’t cool, but delivering product is OK. Perhaps that’s because drug dealers have weekly stats that they have to meet as well. The Zeta cartel has their own version of the RPF, but it’s a bit more permanent.

        e) Loved the elephant-in-the-room one-sentence reference to “the already heavy Ideal Org debt.”

        Any more perspective on this would be illuminating. I had assumed that the cult bought their buildings free and clear without incurring debt. Is this some sort of sham transaction that “sells” the building back to the org and then collects even bigger payments to go “uplines” to headquarters even before it’s opened?

        g) And this is the woman who’s running the OT committee? That group of the most capable, powerful, all knowing, and causative beings in the universe? Near the end of her report, she lists her achievements in that position. They’re all things that the org should have done for itself. Technically, she’s bypassing and handing the org—putting them in Danger condition. This is a Miscavige era innovation: public doing the job of the org. The Old Man never would have stood for it.

        And this is the payoff for decades of arbitrary firings, “finance police” raids, weekly stat craziness, etc.: an org staff who is so useless that they have to get people with some clue of the real world in there to do their jobs for them. This, incidentally, is why I don’t think there will be any chance of a palace coup to depose Miscavige; if the staff is too paralyzed to organize the office supply cabinet, they’re not all that likely to demand DM’s ouster.

        Great to see you back in fine form.

        • http://www.facebook.com/michael.tilse Michael Leonard Tilse

          John P,
          My understanding is that the local public are encouraged to put money to buy a new building to make into the “ideal org” for that area. They are heavily “regged” to do so.
          Once enough money is extracted from them, the building is bought. The title to the building is turned over to the ‘church’s “international landlord” unit. So, now the upper corporate scientology owns the building, not the locals. Then the ‘landlord’ charges the locals rent on their new building.
          And usually, the locals are now put on the hook to pay for all the (quite extensive and posh) renovations to the (almost always run-down, out-code historical) new building.

          Phil Scott, back in heady a.r.s. days insisted that it went further, that the buildings were then somehow mortgaged through commercial real estate companies for lots of money based on fictitious statements of rental leases filling the buildings. Even though the buildings were under renovation and empty. I don’t know if that was occurring or not. but given the apparent insurance fraud, I wouldn’t put it past them. It would be a way for DM to pad his nest egg.

          • John P.

            Michael, your understanding about the regging of the public to buy the shell for cash and then a second round of regging for the renovations matches mine.

            What you said about the “landlord” charging the locals rent on the building may be the meaning of this “debt” term. If the “landlord” starts charging rent as soon as the building is purchased but the org can’t pay, then it may sign an “I.O.U.” to the “landlord” for the rent payment, to be paid back out of the future money when all that “straight up and vertical expansion” happens, once the org moves into their fancy new digs. Very stupid management on Miscavige’s part — the only benefit from such a scheme is to siphon money “uplines” to headquarters faster, at the expense of bankrupting your main customer-facing contact points all the quicker.

            Incidentally, for those who have advanced the theory that the cult is somehow making money by borrowing against the value of the buildings, I highly doubt that. It makes no sense to pay, say, $10 million for a building and then turn around and ask the bank to give you a big lump of cash by “securitizing” the lease payments from third party tenants. Any halfway smart banker would wonder why they’re doing it that way, instead of just buying the building on a mortgage. The problem with “securitizing” a future lease payment stream is that the financier is on the hook for the risk if the stream of future lease payments falls below projections. In other words, if the tenants go belly up, the bank suffers, not the building owner. Any bank, particularly after the current credit crisis began, would want the borrower to take all the risk, and they would want to have adequate security interest in the building. Also, the cult has been very aggressive about buying out the leases of existing tenants (see published articles on Marty’s blog and probably on Tony O’s about the Phoenix and Portland Ideal Orgs buying tenants out at exorbitant rates only to have the buildings sit empty for years). So I highly doubt this scenario that somehow the cult is juicing their profits from the Ideal Org scam by borrowing further against the buildings.

            • http://www.facebook.com/michael.tilse Michael Leonard Tilse

              I understand it is unlikely. Unlikely never stopped them before.

              The “ideal org debt” is probably because Mary herself or ‘narconon georgia’ borrowed money to pay into the ideal org purchase and is now servicing that private debt.

            • http://www.facebook.com/people/Gerard-Plourde/1127841398 Gerard Plourde

              I agree that the strategy makes no sense from the standpoint of long-term planning. I do think that a reason why the existing tenants have to go is that the Church avoids having to meet the habitability requirement. Without tenants they don’t have to provide adequate heat or ensure that the plumbing and electricity are maintained. This cuts down the actual outlays the Church has to make and maximizes the return on the rents paid by the local Org on the now empty building. The whole enterprise seems geared to provide a ready cash flow for DM to finance his lifestyle.

        • InTheNameOfXenu

          John, today’s generation of Scientologists are pure ‘sock puppets’. 27 years of Miscavige has severely hampered any hope of a coup. What would happen if Miscavige were to drop dead?

          • John P.

            If Miscavige died, I am sure that the key symptom would be immediate financial paralysis. I doubt that anybody would have authority to issue checks, even for stuff as mundane as payroll or utility bills. So the organization would freeze up pretty quickly. Even if that’s not true, I suspect that the money for weekly expenses is moved from “safe” accounts to operational accounts at Miscavige’s specific direction. So even if there were minions who were allowed to pay certain bills, once the checking account is drained of a week’s or a month’s expenses, it won’t get refilled.

            As far as a successor goes, I don’t know the current roster of players who aren’t in the Hole well enough to speculate on who might attempt to make a play for the Big Chair. It’s pretty unlikely that Miscavige would have designated a successor. There are probably three or four people who would think they have a shot at the top job. Any successor would have to strong-arm all the other contenders for the throne. It would be a pretty big free-for-all. And once on the throne they would have to eliminate any competition. There would be a rapid sequence of purges of rivals at Int Base and Pac Base. But then, with an even more hollowed-out management structure, the organization would be even more paralyzed than before.

            In particular, it would be unwise to think that the folks in the Hole would be set free on Miscavige’s demise. Whoever replaces him would see them as potential rivals, just as Miscavige did, and they’d be unlikely to release inmates of the Hole, much less to rehabilitate them and return them to their former jobs.

            • Poison Ivy

              I think only someone from Miscavige’s inner circle would actually leave all those people in The Hole. If someone from Texas, say, stormed in, that person would HAVE to release all the Hole residents because that person has publicly blogged about how wrong the Hole is…
              I imagine chaos would erupt if Miscavige kicked the bucket. Much more so than on the death of LRH, because Miscavige was already well into the process of his coup at that time. In fact, I wouldn’t be surprised if the prisoners in The Hole DID rebel at that time. I think you’d see a lot of people using it as an excuse to finally blow. But who would take the reigns? Certainly NOT Tom Cruise. What about that Dan Sherman guy, the speechwriter (aka speech SLAUGHTERER!) There’s also Miscavige’s sidekick Laurisse.
              The real exes here would have to muse on who would have the guts/ambition/backing to take over after DM.

            • John P.

              If you walk down the list of all possible replacements to Miscavige, there are insurmountable problems with any one individual or group of people that anyone has mentioned.

              Tom Cruise: a) no legal standing (a customer of McDonald’s has no legal authority to overthrow the CEO); b) an even shorter attention span than Miscavige; c) major lifestyle cut from $50 million per year; d) even more ridicule than currently, and an end to his movie career. Unlikely he’d want to give up stardom to take over a failed cult with only a few thousand actual members.

              Dan Sherman: More broadly, Miscavige’s “inner circle,” which includes Sherman, the German guy who designs the stage sets, and a couple of the 10% “reg’s” that headline all those hard-sell fund raising events, like former actor Jeff Pomerantz. These guys have cushy jobs and lots of money, and would never be accepted by the Sea Org, who feels that they have sacrificed a lot more than these guys. Also potentially no legal authority since they’re probably not “employees” but “independent contractors.”

              Laurisse: She’s his secretary. Even though they’re rumored to be involved, again, no authority. if the CEO of General Motors has a heart attack, his secretary doesn’t take over even though she probably knows as much about what’s going on in the business as he does. That’s the difference between being a staff member and being in the chain of command.

              Wog experts: a) no legal authority. Again, if the CEO dies, the managing partner of the CPA firm that does the audit is not in line to replace him; b) no interest — they get fat feeding at the trough charging above top dollar to deal with Miscavige’s ineptitude and insanity. Why expose yourself to more craziness, especially when that involves heading a cult that you don’t actually believe in. All the “wog experts” are the most cynical mercenaries you can get and would run away from anything that requires them to believe in the organization.

              Marty Rathbun: a) no legal authority. As a former employee, what legal right do I have to pull up to the gate and demand to be placed in charge? No judge in the US would rule in favor of such a move in any lawsuit challenging any attempt to do this — no matter how evil the cult is and no matter how good the challenger is likely to be at reforming things. b) the armed “wog” security guards at Int Base have probably been required to memorize pictures of Marty and have “shoot on sight” orders. c) Remaining cult staff have been so indoctrinated by Miscavige that Marty is the source of all evil that none would obey him, even if they wanted to depose Miscavige. Same is true of any other “bitter defrocked apostates.”

              IAS “whales:” a) no legal authority. They’re customers. Miscavige won’t cave to pressure from his big donors to do something as mild as to set up a “Global OT Council” of people who have given a lot of money and who will stop doing so if they don’t see changes — Miscavige will just declare them SP’s and get rid of them, even if it damages the cult financially. He will suck up to the rich whales endlessly, but he will not give up one iota of control, even to them.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Norman Starkey, but he has to be an honest to god zombie by now, and even older than me.

            • John P.

              Starkey is 69 years old. That’s definitely way older than you. Heck, I’m older than you are, as I recall from our meeting at the SP fest last summer.

              I have no idea what Starkey’s current “hat” is. From what I remember reading, he was historically involved in Hubbard’s estate and in more “tech” stuff than in operational management. So even if he were a spring chicken, that would be almost like having the VP of Human Resources take over a company — Starkey sounds like he was never “line” management, more a “staff” guy. So even if he’s been around forever, that wouldn’t necessarily put him in position to take over. Is there somebody who is whatever Marty’s last job was (as “hatchet man” or Inspector General or whatever they called it)? That person might be best positioned politically to take over in the event of DM’s demise. Probably the most Machiavellian and evil in temperament as well.

            • dbloch7986

              John P,

              Do you think that the confidential nature of PC folders might be called into question if they believe that the priest-penitent privilege is being used to cover up illegal activities at Narconon?

            • John P.

              That’s a very thorny legal area, and probably a good question for t1kk.

              It seems to me that the cult would have a pretty good shot at making the “freedom of religion” angle work with a judge who doesn’t want to open that can of worms, so they would be able to protect any information in the folder. Courts have taken a fairly broad definition of “priest/penitent privilege” in some cases. I seem to recall reading about a case where an Alcoholics Anonymous member confessed to a serious crime (perhaps even a murder) in a meeting, but because AA is a semi-religious group where there was an expectation of confidentiality (even the name of the group hints at that), the confession was deemed to be inadmissible.

              The good news is that the Rieser document showcased in today’s post is enough of a smoking gun that they probably don’t need the information in Rieser’s PC confessional folder to find out anything new to move a suit forward.

              Also, somebody with direct experience in these things could probably answer the question as to whether “sec check” results are stored in the PC folder or are stored in some other means that could easily be used to evade discovery. After all, they start a sec check by saying “I am not auditing you,” don’t they?

            • dbloch7986

              That is true. They do say that. Sec checks are stored in two places, which I believe are both protected by priest/penitent privilege. The other place they are stored is the Ethics File.

              Everyone in Scientology has an ethics file to catalog their misdeeds and confessions as well as any actions taken by ethics against them. They also contain some semblance of good deeds, but we all know that doesn’t mean anything to Scientology. They only care about your naughty misdeeds.

            • http://www.facebook.com/michael.tilse Michael Leonard Tilse

              When I was recently reading the on-line version of “A Piece of Blue Sky” at xenu.net, I noticed something I had not heard elsewhere: In addition to the “PC” folder and “ethics folder” and “student folder”, everyone in scientology had a file in the Guardian’s Office “information bureau” that included their confessions and information on all their contacts, history, etc. Since OSA inherited the functions of the “information bureau” (B1), the must have the same file keeping procedures.

            • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBeU2utihwM Deckard Cain
            • N. Graham

              Dictators and despots don’t seem to plan for their demise as much as they used to. Kings like Henry VIII was desperate for a male heir. But more recent examples such as Josef Stalin and Adolph Hitler had no plans for who might replace them. Stalin could have easily saved his son but let him die in a prisoner of war camp. Kim Jong-Il had to practically die before deciding to finally designate the son he despised least of his three choices.

            • http://twitter.com/katebornstein Kate Bornstein

              Norman Starkey was Captain of the Apollo when I was transferred from First Mate to public relations. And he was there to welcome me back to the Deck Project Force. Not too many kind words passed between us. Still, the poor f**ker doesn’t deserve the Hole. And yeah, he’s got to be totally a zombie for staying in it as long as he has.

            • InTheNameOfXenu

              ROTFLMAO!!! On Anderson Cooper 360 Starkey looked like he just walked off the make-up chair from the set of The Walking Dead! LOL!

            • Jgg2012

              Karin Pouw?

            • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBeU2utihwM Deckard Cain

              Regarding anyone inside the Cult that could take over – remember that he/she/it may very well be arrested-indicted when the whole house of cards finally falls so a ‘successor’ may be appointed by a bankruptcy court or other judge when all of the assets are finally liquidated to pay off fraud claims and/or any other restitution.

              Yes, that was a huge leap in faith that this will actually happen but it is a possibility…..

            • InTheNameOfXenu

              Thanks. You and John answered my original question “What would happen if Miscavige were to drop dead?’ with so much juicy detail. It’s something most of us pondered. It’s the great ‘What If’ for us Scientology watchers.

            • http://www.facebook.com/DefrockedBitterApostate Defrocked Bitter Apostate

              That’s probably not true. The owners of Scientology’s trademarks, the actual owners are Lenske and other lawyers who try to stay out of the news and try to avoid having their names stated in public with Scientology. Look at the owners of the trademarks, they are the head ringleaders here. When Miscaviage finally gets one of his cohorts to kill him, the lawyers that own the trademarks and copyrights will find another puppet.

            • John P.

              I am assuming that you’re referring to Sherman Lenske and the other “wog lawyers” that make up the board of the Church of Spiritual Technology (CST), the part of the cult that oversees the secret moon bases that hold the titanium plates with engravings of the Sacred Drivel and the see-it-from-space logos. It is important to understand that the CST organization is the owner of the intellectual property (actually I thought RTC was; CST is just preserving it).

              I don’t think that these guys are the real power in Scientology. I suspect strongly that they are passive board members who collect big checks for rubber stamping decisions made by Miscavige a couple times a year. The implicit agreement is that the checks keep coming if they don’t get greedy. I would bet there are provisions in the charter documents of other organizations that give RTC and others the right to appoint board members to CST. In other words, Miscavige can fire the CST board at any time; the same would be true of his successor.

              There were supposed to be multiple oversight boards to keep a tyrant like Miscavige from emerging; Chuck Beatty has written extensively about them. Those boards, if they even exist any more, clearly have no power, since a tyrant emerged and deposed Hubbard’s hand-picked successors practically before Hubbard’s corpse had cooled. How would the much smaller and much less visible RTC board have power over Miscavige, especially when it doesn’t have access to even a significant portion of the cult’s financial reserves?

            • SFFrog

              I would suggest looking at Denise Brennan’s writings on the organization. My understanding is that Hubbard and later Miscavige ruled without legal control, partially by means of holding undated resignation letters for the CST board and any other theoretical oversight body.

              However, it seems possible that someone in his inner circle actually knows enough to be able to take hold of the same levers of power in the event of a power vacuum.

              We know that people can beat the meter and fool sec checks.

              I’m also reminded of Khruschev, who survived Stalin by seeming to be less intelligent and ambitious than he was and then was in a prime position to take over once Stalin was gone.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              +++

            • http://www.facebook.com/people/Robert-Eckert/100002715429426 Robert Eckert

              Who do you think DOES have signature power over these bank accounts? Suppose Davey suddenly dies in a plane crash: is most of the money in personal “David Miscavige” accounts that would become part of his estate and pass to Shelly and/or Jenna? Or in corporate accounts that suddenly those feckless board members can actually do whatever they want with?

            • John P.

              Robert, typical separation of duties in most finance organizations would say there’s a procedure for multiple signers for checks over a certain amount, and there are also provisions for backup signers if the principal signatory for an account is not available. But it’s doubtful that the CST board would be signatories on the CST bank accounts, and it’s even more doubtful that they would be signatories on a more sizable chunk of cult funds, even if CST “owned” the other entities of the cult, which I don’t think it does. If the CST board is supposed to be so powerful, why are those guys only overseeing CST rather than overseeing Watchdog Committee or other more central entities in the cult?

              My suspicion is that there are backup signatories for the operational accounts, probably several people in the finance organization. The key reserve accounts are probably held only by Miscavige and there could be no effective secession plan, so that money could well become unavailable. But I think that the CST board is not much other than a way to keep those “wog lawyers” who set up the corporate structure motivated to keep their mouth shut since they get checks every month.

            • InTheNameOfXenu

              John,

              Chuck Beatty was talking about The Executive Strata and The Watchdog Committee. Hubbard set up these groups to prevent exactly what Miscavige did. Miscavige purged both groups and they’re either in ‘The Hole’, bought off, or dead. They no longer exist. There is no international management, just Miscavige dictating.

              I wonder what Heber Jenstch knows that would make Dee Midget never want him to leave ‘The Hole’ alive? Heber told his brother that Miscavige threatened to kill Heber if he ever left. Ortega had this story last year on his Village Voice blog.

            • And I’m Cute, Too

              “Sacred Drivel” Pffft, HA! XD

              Great line, JohnP. I loved it!

            • Couch_Incident

              Reminiscent of the Soviet Union at Stalin’s death and China at Mao’s death…

              Are
              there any links to the bios of the board of directors of the bigger
              entities (their identities should be public record)? I assume they’re
              all “yes” men & women & sheep, but if “management” is gone
              (dies, incapacitated, incarcerated, on the run), they are left holding
              the reins and may decide to make their power plays/alliances.

              Also, it
              seems that given the multiple corporate veils down to the local level,
              there might be some opportunity for the entities (including local orgs)
              to fracture into sects. Some members might begin to tell secrets about
              rival sect members. If that breaks out among directors, directors
              have good standing to sue each other for breach of their fiduciary
              duties, and Katie, bar the door!

              Finally, if “management” is
              suddenly gone and if, as you posit, no one could write checks to the wog
              experts (or even know where the money is hidden around the world
              through different entities), that would be an ideal time for multiple
              suits to break out against the various Scn entities (and their directors
              for breach of their fiduciary duties): 1. Wog lawyers won’t play
              very long for no pay (and I haven’t heard of an army of true believer
              Scn lawyers); 2. Until there is a resolution to the power struggle, no
              one could strategize and coordinate (even poorly) across the
              entities; and 3. If directors are dragged into suits, their ability to
              act/replace “management” would be hampered as they scamper to protect
              themselves (probably out of their savings – remember no one is writing
              entity checks to the wog lawyers and D&O insurance doesn’t cover for
              fraud), and, in any event, they will act very cautiously under the new scrutiny.

            • Trustmeonthis

              They wouldn’t have to drag Heber Jentzch out of the Hole and put him in charge?
              Hell, he’s probably been in there so long the statute of limitations may have run out on any malfeasance he may have been involved in!

            • John P.

              True, the statute of limitations may have run out on his crimes. But after seven or eight years in the Hole, the statute of limitations on functioning brain cells may tragically have run out as well. I can’t imagine I would come bounding out of that doorway ready to take on the world if I went through what he had.

              I’m wondering about Warren McShane. Maybe somebody familiar with the current executive lineup knows if he escaped life in the Hole, and if he’s a big enough jerk to make a play for the big chair if and when Miscavige is out of the picture.

            • InTheNameOfXenu

              We are talking pure chaos if Miscavige were to be gone. Given that he has ruled with an ‘Iron Fist’, no one dared challenge him. I did hear that very early on there was a mission of Sea Org members who tried to stop him before he ousted Pat Broaker. They failed because Dee Midget had the muscle to back him up(Thanks Marty). Is there anyone left to take his mantle and reverse the absolute mess that Miscavige would leave behind? Forget about it! We could see a cataclysmic organizational failure.

              He may be so narcissistic to believe that nothing could happen to him and made no contingency plan for a successor. We know that he has asthma, smokes those filter-less Camels like a chimney and drinks like a fish. Adding this this, he explodes with a volatile temper at the slightest things. His blood-pressure must sky-rocket to the triple digits. Death by cigarettes, alcohol, or stress. Either way he’s potentially headed for an early demise if he keeps this up.

          • http://www.facebook.com/gayle.smith.3994 Gayle Smith

            Before or after we all sobered up?

            Either the whole thing collapses in on itself, rather quickly, or someone currently on the outside *glancing toward Texas* steps in and says “Don’t worry, I’m the kinder, gentler stick-to-the-tech gu you can trust.”

            I don’t think we’re going to see Tom Cruise stepping in as #2 to takeover. I agree with the posters here who have said that he both lacks the intellect and would be loath to give up his “day job,” even for something as important as saving the universe.

        • http://twitter.com/katebornstein Kate Bornstein

          Heh. Thanks, John P. I’ve been watching a LOT of Sherlock Holmes.

        • Vistaril

          All these scenarios seem to forget the Scientology precedent whereby the “leader” only appears to go “off lines” but continues to run the show from the shadows. Tom Cruise would be the ideal front-man if it were to happen today, but I doubt he has the brains to pull it off nor the respect and trust of David Miscavige. On the other hand, it would make for international headlines and help cement the mock up. The more likely and eventual “reformation”, I suggest, will involve someone we’ve never heard of but who is being quietly groomed as we speculate. Of course, it may just be time to roll up the scam; keep the squeeze on for as long as possible to extract as much juice as possible then, when the charade becomes unsustainable, Scientology will morph into L Ron Hubbard’s original “tight conspiracy” model. I mean, even if every public and every staff were to walk out tomorrow, there remains a billion dollar treasury and a real estate portfolio to die for. What a great nest egg for RTC to take with it as it fades into the background. There’s certainly enough clout to put up a Presidential candidate – for both main political parties – for example. Next stop, TWTH in every home, study tech in every school, IRS run on WISE lines, Ethics in the FBI . . . don’t laugh!!

      • http://www.facebook.com/judi.light Judi Light

        f) So wait — there were times, after the org stepped in and recruited Mark, that there was NO ONE watching the clients at night? And she FOUND “liquor and drug paraphernalia” and she KNEW there was a drug dealer dropping off heroin at the place? And still, NO ONE was watching at night??? AND: they decided that it was an overt to sell the product, and they went on DELIVERING it? And all this was going on while a MISSION was there????? Am I wrong on any of these observations????

        Kate.. bang on.

        • Midwest Mom

          You are so right, that you should go by Judi Right! It’s good to see you here, Judi! :)

        • http://twitter.com/katebornstein Kate Bornstein

          Hey hello, Miss Judi! We must play catch up soon. Mwah!

      • Chocolate Velvet

        Excellent points, Kate. The recklessness and utter disregard for their own rules was a major factor in the resulting tragic death of Patrick Desmond. “Sad thing”, indeed.

        Glad to see you back, and in full effect!

        • Midwest Mom

          Auntie Kate, You sound bright, cheery and as feisty as ever! ;]

          • http://twitter.com/katebornstein Kate Bornstein

            kiss kiss, Midwest Mom.

        • http://twitter.com/katebornstein Kate Bornstein

          Thanks. Couldn’t resist this one. Remember writing up “Things That Shouldn’t Be” reports? Another way of saying “Whoa, this wasn’t my fault.”

          • BuryTheNuts2

            Auntie Kate, your AV is making me kind of dizzy. But that is OK, because I sort of like it.

      • Poison Ivy

        You said it Auntie Kate. This sentence struck me too: “Mark Delgado had to be available in case he had to take people to the ER “for bumps and scrapes.” Who goes to the ER for bumps and scrapes. I’d love to see the ER reports of Narconon clients brought there in the middle of the night.”

        To me that is code for “Mark was always driving overdoses to the ER.” Because like “taking” heroin, these things were just ho-hum everyday occurrences there. As long as the ‘students’ checks clear and they show up for their sauna sessions, Mary Rieser’s job is done.

        • http://twitter.com/katebornstein Kate Bornstein

          Holy poop. Of course it would be overdoses they’d drive to the ER in the middle of the night. My thought was knife wounds and broken jaws. Sigh.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Hello aunt Kate. You got it All right. As to public doing the org’s job, there is much of that going on, or at least promo is begging public to do staff jobs. Evidence keeps coming in of staff joining the public’s stampede toward the exit door.

        • http://twitter.com/katebornstein Kate Bornstein

          Remember when public were Field Staff Members, and that was it? And the Sea Org wasn’t running every single org? And when mission holders could put out their own brand of ambience? A lot of that is what made scientology attractive to so many people.

      • http://www.facebook.com/DefrockedBitterApostate Defrocked Bitter Apostate

        Police call-out reports for Scientology businesses are public record. We should obtain their public records, see how many times the cops have had to go out there for these Scientology crooks.

        • http://twitter.com/katebornstein Kate Bornstein

          Brilliant! Anyone in a position to get that stuff???

      • Jgg2012

        “Mary Delgado went to Mexico—for “much of a year”—for auditing? Why not the local org?”
        Maybe the local org is empty.

    • dbloch7986

      Do you think that if it were discovered that she were being interrogated on matters related to Narconon that it could open a can of worms related to the confidentiality of PC Folders?

    • Anon Nom Nom

      I think it’s also noteworthy to mention that her letter basically admits that one, some, or many scientologist group(s) were negligent is Desmond’s death. The note admits that many of the issues raised in the initial complaint were accurate, especially those related to housing issues and inadequate supervision of patients. That was my takeaway, at least.

  • http://twitter.com/DonnieHHarris donnie harold harris

    My first Auditor was one Jay Hanson. A lovely man that audited me @ the mission in the valley. I was also on lines @ Celebrity Center.Jay was a Narcon Auditor as well at the time.He was a class 6 auditor.Why did i get auditing there instead of the CC? There were 3 of us that went down that day to sign up for auditing.None of us had a job or money.We were sent to a loan company owned by a hidden group of church members.We all 3 were give $5000.00 checks ;made out in our names only.We gave these endorsed checked to the mission reg.100 hours later and level 1 completion.WE Yet never payed a dime back for the loan -3 of us never billed no credit report -notta..The rules are not there rules. donnie harold harris clear # 15275

    • 1subgenius

      Seems like there would be some authorities that would be interested in this.

    • AstroLadyBoy

      When was that Donnie?

      • BuryTheNuts2

        Since donnie has not returned yet to answer your question…Service completion’s Say: probably mid to late 70’s.

        • AstroLadyBoy

          How thoughtful of you, thanks Bury.

  • EnthralledObserver

    Even Mary Reiser seems to care about the students from this doc… it’s the staff representing the cult who disregard them entirely for their profits and the success of up lines. Still, Mary wears those hats too, but its clear at least that she knows that the students are the ones who pay the bills and if they aren’t looked after the funds will dwindle.
    Sickening…

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      She seems to care Most and Foremost about how much money she will be able to show as profits and how much she will be able to send up to the mothership’s deposit slips. A sad thing happened? Here I thought she was just another scientology criminal. But hey, if she was sad for a few minutes, then that’s different.

      • jensting

        Pretty much last chance for her to turn state’s evidence (or federal…). She could get the sympathy vote (for having shown that she did care – if not quite enough) and if she got out first she could get in a story about extortion pretty early (easy enough: just show that the internal punishments for failure to comply with David “he is NOT insane!” Miscavige’s orders are extreme). Or she could stay on the inside and go to hole for the rest of her life.

        If she hasn’t already read Debbie Cook’s declarations, she really should – that’s her future if she’s very, very, lucky. Otherwise, lots of jail gets thrown in on top.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          We both know “Things That Shouldn’t Be Reports” are the scientology version of CYA letters.
          But I like the way you think, first with the “stolen goods” post above, and this concept of her turning state’s evidence. However, we also both know that She knows Miscavige will hunt her down relentlessly, without sorrow, and make her Wish she was merely in jail.

          • jensting

            There is a precedent for turning state’s evidence which is instructive in two ways. Remy PETIT was a clam (regular public) who did a bit of the old OSA volunteering. His duties included stealing mail from a psychiatrist expert witness (in the Patrice VIC case). When PETIT got caught he turned state’s evidence and this lead to the conviction on criminal conspiracy (or whatever) of the head of OSA in France.

            That was the bit to emulate.

            The bit to not emulate was when PETIT was found hanged on the eve of the appeal of the above conviction. Suicide was ruled and the investigation closed. The conviction above was overturned in the appeal.

            So, Mary Rieser (or Reiser): think. And think hard.

            Remy PETIT info http://www.antisectes.net/tgi-toulon-1995.htm:

            • Poison Ivy

              Another soul to add to Scientology’s mounting body count. Speaking of which, I went down the Moxon rabbit hole….and came upon this: http://www.holysmoke.org/sm/stacy_moxon6.htm

              I’m sure there are others here who knew Stacy Moxon Meyer was his daughter, and that she was mysteriously eletrocuted in a transmitter on Gold Base…but it’s new to me. Under very, very suspicious circumstances that screams cover-up…but was deemed an accident nevertheless? Were there any exes at INT at the time?

              How can Moxon defend the sect that killed his daughter?

            • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBeU2utihwM Deckard Cain

              I read a story on WWP awhile ago where some Anon (or well known critic, i can’t remember) said that there was a protest going on outside at Gold when Stacy Moxon died and that there was an effort to distract the protesters so the coroner or police could come in. I don’t recall what actually happened but I believe that the attempts to move/distract the protesters didn’t happen and they saw Stacy’s body being removed.

      • BuryTheNuts2

        Ah poor Mary…

        Ok, I am over it.
        Fry the bitch.

        • Sherbet

          Schizoid much?

          • BuryTheNuts2

            Very, Very Much! :)

        • Puppetmama

          No need to fry her, she is road kill, Scientology has a bus with her name on it.

  • John P.

    Allegations of insurance fraud could spread quite rapidly. That’s because insurers most definitely don’t have to wait until a state regulator files charges. United Health Care is a fairly big insurer, and they have an internal fraud investigation department. This report will get back to them and UHC will no doubt launch investigations into all claims paid to any Narconon entities. And since the health insurance industry is fairly concentrated, with a relative handful of insurers covering most of the people in the country, it’s really a fairly small industry. It is entirely possible that the other large insurers will similarly begin investigations of any payments to Narconon. The good news is that state insurance regulators are often very closely tied to the industry, and are typically very responsive to the insurance industry’s desire to prosecute insurance fraud, no matter how small. This could be good for a major popcorn festival.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Damian-DeWitt/100000143081032 Damian DeWitt

      Whatever would we do without World Capitalist Headquarters. This is great news. I have some contacts with insurance associations in my state and will pass this along.

      • John P.

        No, Damian, no! It’s “Global Capitalism HQ” not “World Capitalist Headquarters.” This short instructional video shows the extreme importance of getting names correct: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gb_qHP7VaZE.

        “World Capitalist Headquarters” is a small hedge fund founded by a few people who split off from Global Capitalism HQ. We weren’t sorry to see them go. They are not as successful as we are. Here is the yacht of the founder of World Capitalist Headquarters: http://legacy-cdn.smosh.com/smosh-pit/082010/Boat-22.jpg. This is the yacht of one of our junior partners: http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/08/21/article-2191731-14A46BDC000005DC-151_634x391.jpg.

        And as far as aircraft go, nobody that we know of at World Capitalist Headquarters owns a jet. Their founder did, however purchase a small propeller-driven Cessna, but apparently saved a few dollars on pilot training as seen here: http://rob.com/pix/var/resizes/oops/LVMBTA_jpg_37239.jpg?m=1289692841. Compare that to the interior of our founder’s Boeing Business Jet, here: http://www.artemisair.com/pictures/UpgradedBusinessJet.jpg.

        I hope the foregoing photographic evidence makes the differences between the one and only Global Capitalism HQ and the pathetic splinter group World Capitalist Headquarters quite apparent. Good day, sir!

        • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBeU2utihwM Deckard Cain

          Your junior partner owns a ferry?

          • John P.

            Our junior partner’s yacht is 414 feet long, has a basketball court and a recording studio, and has a dive chamber plus three submarines. It only looks like a ferry, or a small cruise ship.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Is your Jr. Partner Paul Allen?

            • John P.

              Very observant of you. Vulcan Investments is a wholly owned subsidiary of Global Capitalism HQ, just as Microsoft stock is one of our largest holdings. We basically let Paul run around and do cool stuff, like sailing his yacht to far-off places. His “nerd chic” appeal helps us rope in tons of clients from Silicon Valley. Sometimes he brings us deals that he doesn’t have enough firepower to play in, and we back him up if they’re really good ideas. Plus, we get free tickets to games of various sports teams he owns, a nice change for when we get bored of Yankees and Giants games.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              I personally, can never bore of the Yankee’s until Derek Jeter retires!
              It is a physiological impossibility for me to do so.

              As of two days ago he was back on the field and my spring training games are lined up!

            • monkeyknickers

              BTN – once, a few years ago before they moved Yankee Stadium, I got offered a seat in the very first row behind home plate, and saw Derek Jeter up close doing a quad stretch. It was awesome. He seems very flexible.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Stop teasing me like that!
              I have watched him do a few of those up close….
              I will just close my eyes now and recall the memory, AH!

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              swapping baseball hero stories? Not sexy, but on my mind since he just passed, Stan Musial. He stopped in at a club where hubby was playing and humbly asked if he could jam with the band on his harp. He was a gentle giant. They jammed hard.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              That is way cool.
              Does your hubby still play?

            • Sandy

              THE most beautiful man I ever saw (at least on a baseball field) was Dave Winfield. He returned home to Minnesota for one year in ’93 and I got to see him play. Just watching him run in from the outfield … I was gobsmacked, I tell ya…!

            • monkeyknickers

              I also ate a rad hotdog. And some peanuts.

              :)))

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Candlestick park had GARLIC FRIES. And they were ORGASMIC.
              No, ruullly…!!!

            • Midwest Mom

              monkeyknickers, It’s great to have you here at the bunker. Welcome! (Waving to your mom, too!) ;]

            • monkeyknickers

              I am SO delighted to be here, thank you! I’ve been lurking for about a year . . . . Scientology stripped me of my life savings, and I wasn’t even involved in the religion nor set foot in an org. But that’s a long boring story. :) One day my Other Person said, as I commented on one of Tony’s posts: Why are you telling me this? Can’t you just comment?

              And I said . . . . uh . . . . . .YEAH I CAN.

              So thanks, MM! I love the smartitude of this place!

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Oh, oh…you sound like we may have some crap in common.
              Especially calling them your “other person” …lol
              You did let mom out of the half nelson eh?

            • monkeyknickers

              Oh and my mom waves back!

            • Captain Howdy

              Eeeeee Yuck.. Yankees Suck !

    • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBeU2utihwM Deckard Cain

      Yes, it is a small industry and state regulators (especially in California) are so tightly wound into the fabric of the industry that something like this could catch on for regulatory reasons, more than word of mouth. If the provider is a Medicaid provider, it is almost a given that all Medicaid carriers will be notified of this errant provider once something is filed by the state DOI. The doctor’s license could be on the line, and any state actions taken against him/her will immediately hit insurance companies’ credentialing processes.

      The process may take awhile because the doctor is given due process before everyone is alerted although that won’t stop the insurance carrier from monitoring the situation closely.

    • California

      Buying more stock in popcorn industry.

      • Midwest Mom

        New recipe idea: Popcorn balls with Rieser Pieces.

        • dagobarbz

          Hey, you got chowder in my chocolate!

      • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBeU2utihwM Deckard Cain

        Not to be the wet blanket, but are you aware of this thread?

        https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/osa-alert-pamela-lichtenwalner.24252/#post-2267603

        If this is true, then you’ve been outed.

        • California

          I am the farthest person from OSA that you can imagine. Yes, OSA is targeting me. And others of us right now…. most of it behind the scenes.

    • Anon Nom Nom

      As I see it, there are three groups in the United States that you don’t want to screw with: banks, insurance companies, and the government. It looks like the scienos in Georgia never bothered to learn this since they have managed to royally piss off two of the three.

    • http://www.facebook.com/DefrockedBitterApostate Defrocked Bitter Apostate

      Plus with a history of fraud, insurance companies can refuse coverage across the board, get these deadly Scientology businesses to close that way.

    • Couch_Incident

      Remember, Director and Officer (D&O) insurance (meant to protect directors and officers from suits) does not cover fraud. Need to drag the directors and officers into a suit, force them to pay for their own defense, and possibly pressure them to squeal on each other.

  • 1subgenius

    I have been wondering when we would see Toxic Moxon again. This should be fun.

  • EnthralledObserver

    And then add insurance fraud… incredible!

  • CoolHand

    Interesting how they put out their own press release today boasting of their drug education and community involvement. It’s also creepy that they included a picture of their drug educator with a group of presumably high school cheerleaders. This is a time of reckoning for the whole network, it’s just that Georgia is the first in the U.S. to really be investigated. There will be many more details of how things operate at a Narconon International and ABLE level and their connections with the church that will come out in the wash.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Her report distribution includes ABLE so that is a direct tie in to the scientology upper management level. Something caught my eye was her mention of being saddled with “Ideal Org debt”. Would this be another “follow the money” to scientology’s direct profit crumb?

      • CoolHand

        You’re right. As for the debt, yes, Narconon of GA gave a ton of money directly to the ideal org project. You can see them listed in the background here on the list of high-level donors to the still-empty-after-six-years Atlanta Ideal Org.

        • jensting

          I do that narCONon GA “gave” the money to the idle mOrgue project after this insurance payment occurred. In the case that they were found guilty that would make the idle mOrgue the recipient of stolen goods, right? And this time, the transfer happened under direct internal control (i.e. not from an arguable outside donor like Reed Slatkin) so merely paying the money back is surely not going to be enough.

          But, that’s all AssUMing …

        • sugarplumfairy

          “we are the elite of planet earth but that’s only saying we’re the not-quite-gone in the graveyard of the long gone…”

          WTF?

          • BuryTheNuts2

            What did you expect? It was an LRH quote.

          • Observer

            LRH: 60 years of inspiring his followers with confusing blather.

            My interpretation is that he’s saying Scn is the elite, but Scn is on the brink of being extinguished by all the degraded wogs and SPs, so it’s up to them to make it go right whatever the cost.

          • Captain Howdy

            Batshit Crazy Yee-Haw !

          • Midwest Mom

            You’ve improved the quote on the poster, spf. The word “we’re” was misspelled “were”. Was that their mistake or Hubbard’s? The next sentence has “we got to” in it, which makes it even more laughable.

            Yogi Berra quotes make more sense than LRH’s.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Thank you! Well, isn’t that a thing of legal beauty.

          • CoolHand

            There are also at least a couple NN GA Board Members on the list as well. It’s all one (not so)big (un)happy family. As one friend stated last summer – incestuous.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Wow again. The term “cannibalism” has come up a lot lately. But Board Members too?

              I’d like to see the money from the Super Power building fund be repurposed to build a special jail just for Narconon and other scientology staff. Mandatory pscyhiatric treatment, too.

    • http://twitter.com/media_lush media_lush

      These PR puff pieces re all their drug successes have been put out on an almost daily basis for ages…. they pay undiscriminating PR companies to do this…. it’s not real news at all. Take amusement in the fact that every time you see one it it means the cult’s coffers are diminished even further.

  • Peter Robinson

    One thing that comes across here is that the sheer complexity of the scifiology organisation is working against it. The way the various elements of the organisation have been set up has apparently been in order to generate revenue flows upwards, and to try to create distance between the various elements in order to be able to create denaibility of the links when things go wrong, and to confuse anyone trying to get to the truth.

    Rieser appears to have blown the cover story wide open (blimey, scifiologists do seem to speak a different language from the rest of us at times! Really takes time to read and understand!). Seems like a major result. let’s hope the court does not buy any of their tactics from now on.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Damian-DeWitt/100000143081032 Damian DeWitt

      “Your methods, hypocrisy, and the artlessness of your organization have sounded its death knell.” – Anonymous declaration of war on Scientology, YouTube, January 21, 2008.

    • Ze Moo

      All the lawyers and courts have to do is ‘follow the money’. That tells the tale. I wonder what penalties will accrue if Rieser is suddenly posted to Copenhagen or Brisbane?

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Not to worry. The good news is that scientology membership is a virtual who’s who of criminals in just about every category, so Mary Rieser can get hatted (educated) on every trick in the book. Financial? well, Reed Slatkin won’t be out of jail for a couple months. Extradition? Let’s see, there’s always the President of scientology’s other front group, CCHR, Jan Eastgate Meyers, who managed to escape felony charges.
        http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/2012/02/scientology_hea.php

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Damian-DeWitt/100000143081032 Damian DeWitt

    January has turned out to be an excellent month for breaking entheta news for Scientology. The Jett Travolta tragedy,, Debbie Cook’s email, and now this cornucopia of cult fail have broken in January.

    Kudos to the researchers at The Tipping Point, and it was delightful to see that Anonymous’ relestless trolling and raiding have taken their toll on the unfortunate Ms. Rieser.

    • Observer

      And there’s still one day of this January left … can’t wait to see what it will bring!

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Bamuary 2013 is turning out to be a year long, right?

      • http://www.facebook.com/gayle.smith.3994 Gayle Smith

        I’m torn between “can’t wait” and “God, I hope the next shoe doesn’t push Davey into Jim Jones territory.”

        • Poison Ivy

          I have a hard time imagining Davey going Jim Jones….as all the cults that ended up that way (Davidians, Heaven’s Gate, etc.) were technically “apocalyptic cults” (which Christianity was in the beginning, by the way). They all preached that the world was ending soon – their leaders just accelerated the timetable for their followers when things got tense. Scientology isn’t really apocalyptic, technically. Although the immortal thetan “this is just one lifetime” way of thinking does give one reasonable pause to worry…

          • http://www.facebook.com/gayle.smith.3994 Gayle Smith

            In general, I agree with that, but every once in a while I have to wonderjust how crazy is David Miscavige?

            He’s a malignant narcissist with a lot power and a lot of anger that’s been ramping up over the last several months. Only instead of an ex-wife he hates and a couple of kids he doesn’t want to support he’s got thousands of followers who think it’s a great thing that LRH went external to advance his studies. What’s one meat suit when you can just pick up another in 66 years?

            • http://lliira.dreamwidth.org/ Lliira

              The cults that suicided together were all living in the same place. In the case of Jim Jones, have you heard the tapes? People did not want to drink the poison once they knew it was poison, but it was that or be shot. I guess it’s possible that Miscavige could have everyone in the Hole killed, but that’s about it, and it doesn’t seem his style. I think he’s far more likely to flee somewhere without an extradition treaty with the U.S. and live the rest of his life in luxury.

        • California

          This has been my concern for over two years now.

          • http://www.facebook.com/gayle.smith.3994 Gayle Smith

            There are so many stories about his temper and inability to control it, that even if he’d never go for the Kool-Aid cure, I would seriously worry about his going postal and just shooting the place up. You see it in the news practically every day from people who were under a lot less stress and just lost it.

    • BuryTheNuts2

      “cornucopia of cult fail”.

      Ah, thank you for that.

    • Poison Ivy

      I don’t see the Jett Travolta tragedy as good news any way you slice it. He was an innocent who didn’t deserve to have his health needs neglected because his parents wanted to pretend they were “Big Beings.”

  • jensting

    Well, we’re quite sure that Mary Reiser would be available for the trial in Feb. Otherwise, what is the name given to the activity of moving a witness in a court case across state borders? And who would be responsible?

    The criminal organisation might have gotten away, initially, with moving potential witnesses away from Florida after Lisa McPherson’s death (while suffering the consequences of the rundown prescribed by her personal case handler, David “he is NOT insane!” Miscavige) – but this time?

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Tony sums it up neatly:

      “a textbook example of how Scientology really works”

      So for all you bitter bloggers and defrocked posters out there, scientology Does work, see? It works to rob you of your money, sanity, health, family, business, job, career, home, friends and sometimes … even your life.

      • Poison Ivy

        Every organization that is contacted by WISE for their “consulting expertise” should be given a copy of Mary’s memo as a cautionary tale.

    • http://www.facebook.com/DefrockedBitterApostate Defrocked Bitter Apostate

      Like with the McPherson murder, the suspects will be sent out of country “on religious retreat” never to be heard from (or found by Federal prosecutors) again.

  • Observer

    Wow. More shining examples all around of the kind of behavior we’ve come to expect from The Most Ethical People On the Planet.

    I assume Mary Rieser will be off to the Hole once her Flag bank account and mind rape (aka sec checking) is done, even though Narconon has nothing to do with Scientology *wink wink*.

  • BosonStark

    Scientology/Narconon drug rehab center knowingly riddled with illegal drugs on top of the in-patient/out-patient licensing fraud — I’d say this is going to be one huge award, and a nightmare for the “Church.”

    As far as the insurance goes, doesn’t that mean a lot of doctors that cooperate with Narconon centers may be investigated by United? If they are taking money for not even seeing patients, or at least not rendering the services that equate to the billing?

    What is the ethical responsibility of a physician who works for Narconon, when he suspects widespread drug use at a facility, or in this case I guess, a residence that was out-patient lodging licensed as in-patient? I realize that most physicians just give this fit-for-sauna-quackery exam, and probably rarely see any patient after that but they probably have a sense of what is going on. I mean I can see how in an out-patient facility, the physician would not be involved in how any patient is getting illegal drugs, but it seems like that would be different in an in-patient facility.

  • http://www.facebook.com/gayle.smith.3994 Gayle Smith

    I’m kind of left speechless by the depth of stupidity in this case.

    Scientology, it’s always worse than you think.

    Mary, say hi to Shelley.

    • Observer

      All that hard work she put into KSW, and look where it got her.

      • Midwest Mom

        KSW: Keeping Scientology Wonky?

        • Captain Howdy

          Keep Suckers Wondering

          • http://www.facebook.com/gayle.smith.3994 Gayle Smith

            Keep Suckers Wasted.

          • Sherbet

            Keep Sucking Wallets?

            • Midwest Mom

              Puuurrrrfect!

            • http://www.facebook.com/gayle.smith.3994 Gayle Smith

              *BING BING BING* We have a winner!

            • Sherbet

              What do I win? What do I win? Oh, I hope it’s a FREE STRESS TEST!!

            • http://www.facebook.com/gayle.smith.3994 Gayle Smith

              And a Gold Plated pack of Kools. I know, you’re overwhelmed.

        • DMSTCC

          Kripple Suckered Wogs

    • Sherbet

      And bring an extra pantsuit. (That’s kind of an in-joke for the long-time Bunker denizens.)

      • BuryTheNuts2

        and a ladder!

        • Sherbet

          I forgot the ladder! LOL

          • Poison Ivy

            The pantsuit joke made me spit out my tea!

            • Sherbet

              That was the effect it had on me when I first read it during the Headleys’ fundraiser. FUNNY! There are clever people in the Bunker.

  • Sherbet

    Good Lord, Tony, I love your writing style, and I can’t wait for your book. You ARE writing it, aren’t you?

    • BuryTheNuts2

      Sherbet, night before last I actually had a dream that I was sitting behind Tony O. while he was typing a new blog post and harping and henpecking him to hurry it up.

      He was very patient with my noise and said he was typing as fast as he could.

      Needless to say I woke up feeling extremely guilty.
      So I did what anyone would do in that situation.

      I blamed my husband for my out ethics.

      • Sherbet

        Poor Mr. Bury (or is it Mr. Nuts?). I’m hoping your dream is a premonition, and Tony is, indeed, typing his manuscript as quickly as he can.

        • BuryTheNuts2

          It is most definitely Mr. Nuts!

      • Captain Howdy

        Are you sure it wasn’t an OBE and you went exterior ?

        • Midwest Mom

          Please speak English! Hubbardese gives me headaches. (Not so groovy, since I have to vacuum).

        • BuryTheNuts2

          Hey, It wouldn’t have been the first time. Lol.

          • Captain Howdy

            Look out for that slippery slope BTN !

            • BuryTheNuts2

              No problemo….I can ski!

    • http://www.facebook.com/andrewr47 Andrew Robertson

      I second Sherbet’s request, Tony. There’s no need to wait for further disastrous revelations about the for-profit psychotherapy company called ‘Scientology’. You already have enough material for a 463 page analysis of its history, criminal activities and general disgusting behavior.

      Your sequel, ‘No Phoenix Arising from the Ashes’ at 467 pages will cover the criminal convictions in late 2013 and the distribution of the evil organization’s assets to those who were lied to, cheated and suffered from family disconnection.

      Andrew

      • Sherbet

        True, true. And I missed you, Andrew!

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Tony said he is focusing more on the “Leaving Hubbard” aspect, or “Will the Last Scientologist to Flee Please Turn Off The Lights” . But hell, there’s enough for a book Just from Bamuary 2013!

        • aquaclara

          Title suggestions!!! Love it!
          “Will the Last Scientologist to Flee the Parking Deck Please Turn Off The Lights”…
          Can’t wait for the book…

    • SandiCorrena

      Their mis-deeds are being so frequently reported and blowing up you have to wonder how he has time for his book, when would he sleep….but gosh I hope he is-he is sort of Superman but wow he’s busy!

      • http://www.facebook.com/andrewr47 Andrew Robertson

        Tony doesn’t need to sleep. That’s a self-indulgent luxury that people with too much time on their hands do.

        He’s very busy at present and sleeping is the last thing he should be thinking about.

        I have a strong suspicion that Tony is not from our world because a mere human being could not possibly achieve his prodigious research and output. I believe that he is from the planet Zog, once a staunch member of the Marcab Confederation, but when the Emperor Xenu failed to return from his mission to punish the tax dodgers, declared independence.

        Zogians are known throughout this sector of the galaxy for their high intelligence, perspicacity and ability to not need to sleep until they reach retirement age.

        Tony is not yet old enough to retire.

        Andrew

        • Sherbet

          “…ability to not need to sleep…” The Sea Org wants him!

    • http://www.facebook.com/gayle.smith.3994 Gayle Smith

      Blame Scientology. With the constant foot bullets, lawsuits, new books, documentary….. When does Tony have time to work on his own book?

  • California
    • BuryTheNuts2

      Oh freaking sweet article…

      “We have teeth”

      hahahahaha

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Woh!
      When asked about billings for treatment of Emily Morton, Dawn Warner,
      an employee of Robbins Health Care Alliance, emailed the following
      statement:

      “Thank you for bringing this to our attention.
      We have NEVER authorized Narcanon or anyone associated with Narcanon to
      bill ANY insurance under Dr. Robbins. We have NOT seen any of Narcanon’s
      students in several years. Since this does not effect the privacy of
      our patients, I can tell you we never seen a patient named Emily Morton.
      If they indeed did bill under Dr. Robbins this is insurance fraud. I
      would like to find out how many times they have done this sort of thing.
      I simply can not believe that Narcanon would have the gaul to try
      something like this again. Thank you for your assistance.”

      Um, gaul [sic] to try something like this AGAIN? Hello. I’m sure the Investigators will want to dig for Priors, right? The other doctor on the other hand:

      “A number of weeks ago, Dr. Locarnini provided notice that he was
      terminating his contract with Narconon. This past week, he retained our
      law firm to fully investigate the billing issues that have been brought
      to his attention…. For a variety of reasons, including protecting the
      privacy and confidentiality of his patients, he is not able to comment
      further at this time.”

      • Sherbet

        I looked up both doctors’ names, expecting to find that they are chiropractors or osteopaths. I was surprised that they are both listed as MDs, however.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Lisa Robbins is holistic all the way though. She’s the one that used to be one of those “guest doctors” on the Monique TV show. Just check out her medical clinic website.

          • Poison Ivy

            If she’s a “media doctor,” then she has even more to lose by being associated with Narconon/Scientology. I think Narconon just made a new enemy.

      • http://twitter.com/katebornstein Kate Bornstein

        SNAP!

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBeU2utihwM Deckard Cain

    From professional experience, I know that allegations of insurance fraud are very serious and there will be investigations done at the state level (criminal) and at the insurance company (civil). The state also has a duty to protect the consumer when it issues licenses to not only the doctor but to the insurance company so this may be a multi-pronged investigation typically led by the state attorney general. Insurance fraud is no joke and likely that Moxon et al will not be well equipped to defend Narconon in this situation (does he even have a GA license?)

    • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBeU2utihwM Deckard Cain

      I read the story and realized that the billing provider was actually Narconon, not the “rendering” doctor. This changes things up a bit but the two doctors in question were smart to lawyer up quickly on this one. From all appearances, the alleged fraud occurred at Narconon itself and not in concert with the two doctors.

      I’ve personally tried to submit instances of suspected fraudulent activities to an insurance company fraud department and I can tell you that one must have some damn good evidence to trigger a full blown investigation like this…..from the news story, this is almost like finding Narconon holding a smoking gun in front of the dead body.

  • Sherbet

    “Narconon Georgia Executive Director Mary Rieser has apparently lost her position, when she had been doing such an effective job lying like a rug.”

    Can’t stop laughing!

    • http://www.facebook.com/michael.tilse Michael Leonard Tilse

      It was an excercise in “beingness”. She is the rug scientology will use to wipe off the crap. She has to “be the rug”. Lying is the essential “doingness” of a rug. So, being the rug, doing the lying, she will experience the “havingness” of being well used.

      • Sherbet

        Ah, I get it. You exes teach me so much! And will Mary say “Thank you” as she’s experiencing that havingness of being well used and scapegoated?

  • May_West

    “I am reporting these events only so it can be understood that we must apply standard ethics and admin to our LRH activities and in the long run, it will be of more benefit to the ideal org.”
    Seems to me, the above statement by Mary (who unfortunately for Lily Tomlin, reminds me of her Ernestine character) completely links the “church” of scientology to narconon.

  • California

    RE: Insurance fraud

    Years ago some of us quiet research-types dubbed ourselves “elves.” Our self-appointed jobs were to quietly and politely research the facts of what was going on behind the scenes whenever something looked tasty.

    Now, elves, it is time for you who want to do this to start researching ALL cases, in every state that there is a Narconon, where a Narconon client gave any insurance information to Narconon.

    Some of you posting here barely survived Narconon yourselves. Start with your own insurance coverage, learn the lingo and how to do it and have fun.

    Prediction: This is going to be an avalanche that will end Narconon in the U.S. and, one hopes, some people will end up behind bars. “We have teeth.”

    Please get to work, everyone, and report back here.

    • Poison Ivy

      Oh California, you are coming to the rescue again! Where is your white horse? (Hey, Scientology may have to pawn theirs pretty soon!) If there is a pattern of insurance fraud, perhaps Narconon can be shut down in America. I don’t know if this will be the thing that leads directly back to Davey, though, unless there is some smoking gun indicating he sanctioned it.

    • Observer

      Off-topic, but I wanted to make sure you saw my response to your response to me a couple of days ago :-)

      • California

        Yes, I did and it was greatly appreciated….. I think I even replied to you and to BurytheNuts2.

        Isn’t this an amazing day?

        • Observer

          Indeed. As someone said awhile back, it’s a great time to be an SP!

    • http://twitter.com/tetloj tetloj

      I can just feel your excitement California

    • Huffer Poser

      Religion fraud is hard to prove. Insurance fraud is easy to prove. The onus is on Narconon to have sufficient documentation to justify their charges. It is unlikely they do.

  • 1subgenius

    Man that woman is ugly.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      That’s just her soul shining through.

    • BuryTheNuts2

      She has a great “Anna Wintour” bob though!
      She is only actually ugly when she is talking.
      My theory on that is that she can actually smell the shit coming out of her mouth.
      You would look like you smelled a skunk too!

      • Captain Howdy

        It looks like a wig.

        • Midwest Mom

          So she’s “wigging out”, aye Captain?

        • DMSTCC

          Amazing what they can do with tin-foil these days, eh?

  • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

    Click here for a really good version of “Happy Days are Here Again”. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqsT4xnKZPg

  • RG Lvtt

    was Reiser held liable for perjury? or are penalities different for civil cases?

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Gerard-Plourde/1127841398 Gerard Plourde

      She does risk the possibility of being charged with perjury. Perjury is the act of knowingly making false statements under oath. It doesn’t matter if the proceeding is a criminal trial, a civil trial or a legislative hearing.

    • Ze Moo

      Bill Clinton barely avoided impeachment for his perjury in a civil case. Eventually his license to practice law was suspended for 5 years. Penalties for perjury in criminal case start at 1 year in jail ( in New York). As the judge has sanctioned NarCONon for Riesers misdeeds, there may be no further penalty. The ‘Things that shouldn’t be’ letter may be Riesers bid to stop any criminal action. Judges can bring criminal charges from a civil matter. Rieser is may be ‘sec checked’ into taking one for the team.

      • http://www.facebook.com/michael.tilse Michael Leonard Tilse

        “Things that shouldn’t be” is one of the standard reports, called “Knowledge” reports that are required of not only every scientology staff member, but every scientologist. As a scientologist, you are required to file these reports to the org ethics officer and anyone else interested in a situation that is non-optimum or that might become a problem. If a scientologist knows something is not right, but doesn’t write such a report, then THEY become a responsible party to the outcome. If it is bad, then within scientology they are deemed just as guilty as whoever caused the problem. It’s not cover-your-ass from a legal standpoint. It’s covering your ass within the ‘church’.

        The other thing to realize is that scientologists, under this rule, are constantly writing reports about everyone else and anything they even imagine might affect the operation or image of the ‘church’.

        So there are ALWAYS many, many, reports written about anything major and they all go uplines to management if there is any major potential of a problem. Law enforcement should know this. Lawyers should know this. There is always reams and reams of reports from every involved scientologist that cover everyones knowledge of a bad situation.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Thank you, I hadn’t thought to point out the CYA aspect is internal. And since Karin Pouw and Tommy Davis have many times pointed out publicly that Sec Checks are Not confidential, then All the crimes reported in those sec checks should be made available to law enforcement, right? I’m sure the scientology ethics book will spell out these facts, all about the Knowledge Reports, and oh yes, that scientologists who witness or have knowledge of a crime are to report it to scientology “justice” officers, Not the real law authorities.

  • Captain Howdy

    I got half way through reading “Things that Should Not Be” and my mind reeled from the insanity, incompetence and sleaziness of the whole clusterfluc* that is scientology in all it’s machinations. Too many hats, not enough heads (that aren’t empty)

    “You start out giving your hat, then you give your coat, then your shirt, then your skin and finally your soul.”
    -Charles de Gaulle

    • 0tessa

      It’s a bunch of amateurs! Playing with people’s lives.

      • Poison Ivy

        Exactly, Capt & Odessa. It’s the Gang that Couldn’t Shoot Straight, except they’re hitting all the innocent people who come in contact with them.

  • PreferToBeAnon2

    “It’s a devastating document, and it’s no wonder that Scientology wants
    Rieser out of the picture. The folks at Tipping Point have heard rumors
    that Rieser is now at Flag — Scientology’s spiritual mecca in
    Clearwater, Florida — getting sec-checked within an inch of her life.”

    I hope this ends up being another foot bullet. If they push her to the brink and she blows, there is no telling what dox she might have tucked away. Yes, she is no longer a credible witness… but some more meaty memos and dox on money trails would be most appreciated, thank you. I suspect her Blackberry was confiscated. I wouldn’t be surprised though if she ends up Type III or has an “accident.” The midget would want someone’s head on a pike.

    • Ze Moo

      Mary Rieser won’t be seen in public until either she is completely broken by sec checking and the happiest clam ever sent to court or she’ll be in a straitjacket drooling in the corner. NarCONon has to silence her, her ‘things that shouldn’t be’ is one damning document.

      • Poison Ivy

        Could they force her to join Sea Org then shuttle her directly to the RPF? How else are they going to keep her quiet?

        • villagedianne

          Perhaps a “kind” suggestion that she “end cycle”?

          • Poison Ivy

            Chills up spine.

          • BuryTheNuts2

            That thought briefly crossed my mind.
            That would keep her out of court.

        • Ze Moo

          Sec checking can be like the Korean war version of brain washing. Through sleep deprivation, poor or non-existent feeding and constant ‘holding of the cans’, she literally could be drooling in the corner. Then again, if she shows up in court is such bad shape, the judge could order her to psychiatric care. Courts order psychiatric care all the time, if scamtology put her in such shape that psychiatric care is needed, their ‘religious objections’ will go the same way other objections to medical care go,

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Gerard-Plourde/1127841398 Gerard Plourde

      She’s no longer a credible witness for the Church. If she were to blow and decide to assist the defense she would be very much like a mob informant – able to provide context and interpretation to the documents already passed in discovery and possibly to identify other documents that haven’t been turned over. Regarding the “accident” scenario – that could trigger an investigation that would make the current difficulties seem tame in comparison. It could trigger federal interest. The case is being tried in Georgia. She has now apparently gone to Florida which constitutes interstate travel. If anything were to happen the FBI wouldn’t need a request from local authorities, they could assert jurisdiction.

    • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBeU2utihwM Deckard Cain

      Though if she’s thrown in the ‘Hole’ and then there’s a criminal warrant out for her arrest, that will give law enforcement all they need to raid Gold looking for her.

      • PreferToBeAnon2

        Now you are just one big tease Deck. I don’t think my constitution could handle so much joy.

  • Mary_McConnell

    Terrific article and mucho thanks for the nod to Reaching For The Tipping Point firum

    BTW, It’s Mary Rieser. Not Reiser. I sent Pete an email alerting him to your article and the comment about the spelling of the last name.

  • PreferToBeAnon2

    Wouldn’t it be a total joy if the org got pulled in as a co-conspirator? How many jugular-targeted lawsuits can MissCarrage micromanage at one time? Oh, my daydreams hath runneth over this month!

    It’s interesting though that Marty et al aren’t touching NarCONon issues.

    • http://twitter.com/SnippyH Snippy Haines

      There have been sightings of “students” there recently. Their license was revoked in 2008 also, but they kept operating and won their appeal. Mary Rieser was replaced by Jeannie Trahant. My impression from the DCH thread at the Tipping Point is that Jeannie is some kind of “closer” brought in to clean up messes. (They have someone else listed as contact person on their PRWeb ad. At one point, they had listed the contact person as Mary Tieser. They want Mary out of the picture, that’s for sure.)

      You would think revoking the license would mean they are shut down, but it apparently is a process that will take a few months, then there can be an appeal, all the while giving Narconon GA time to continue operating in their delusional state or time to misplace documents and move clients to Michigan or elsewhere.

    • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBeU2utihwM Deckard Cain

      “It’s interesting though that Marty et al aren’t touching NarCONon issues”

      Well…..the last time that Marty shot his foot regarding Narconon, a whole lotta people got really pissed at him. He made some asinine statement that “Narconon has helped a lot of people and done good works” or something to that effect. His minions, undoubtedly, gave him the heads-up that many critics were very angry at his statement so he now keeps his trap shut. Besides, he’s got too many other problems with the Great Indie Schism of 2013 going on right now.

      • PreferToBeAnon2

        “Besides, he’s got too many other problems with the Great Indie Schism of 2013 going on right now.”

        Ain’t that the truth hon. I’m enjoying watching them and have been sticking my toe in from time to time. They are all like vees of geese: he slowly turns in flight a little bit and they all bank with him. Even the hard core ones are tilting a bit. I seriously think he is starting to come out of the haze–that’s one long decompression period! Would be great if he keeps on heading south and takes all of the cool-aid drinkers with him. Sorry–don’t mean to derail the NarCONon discussion.

  • PreferToBeAnon2

    Can someone clear (no pun here) this up for me: Does NN Georgia still have its doors open? The Combs article states, “As the Insurance Commissioner’s investigation gets underway, Narconon
    continues to fight for its life before the Georgia Department of
    Community Health, which late last year revoked Narconon’s license to
    operate after more than a decade of warnings and complaints that it
    could not substantiate. Narconon has vowed to appeal that revocation in a
    process that could take several months.” Can they operate without a license?

    • http://twitter.com/SnippyH Snippy Haines

      There have been sightings of “students” there recently. Their license was revoked in 2008 also, but they kept operating and won their appeal. Mary Rieser was replaced by Jeannie Trahant. My impression from the DCH thread at the Tipping Point is that Jeannie is some kind of “closer” brought in to clean up messes. (They have someone else listed as contact person on their PRWeb ad. At one point, they had listed the contact person as Mary Tieser. They want Mary out of the picture, that’s for sure.)

      You would think revoking the license would mean they are shut down, but it apparently is a process that will take a few months, then there can be an appeal, all the while giving Narconon GA time to continue operating in their delusional state or time to misplace documents and move clients to Michigan or elsewhere.

  • aquaclara

    So much news in just one day. Yes, Mary, all these things are things that should not be…but not quite in the way you intended. People should not die, organizations should not lure people in, leaders should not lie and commit fraud. But thank you for the lovely memo outlining all the details that do in fact connect Narconon with the cult, er, org of Scientology.
    And then Georgia kicks in big today!
    “Hopefully, we can get there before the shredder starts running,” Hudgens says…Hehehe….he knows who he is dealing with.
    Anonymous, Tipping Point, the press in Georgia and Tony…thanks for all this!

  • Midwest Mom

    Yay to Anonymous and Tipping Point!! You are super groovy and you keep those sci’s from getting away with their crimes. Major props to you, my homies. Keep on exposing those phony baloneys and let us know how to help!! Thank you for all of your hard work and persistence! Applause! Applause!

    • SP ‘Onage

      Yes. *Standing Ovation*

  • http://twitter.com/media_lush media_lush

    Boy, it rains, it pours ….. ~Not only has the San Francisco Chronicle chosen to lead with Duggan being a scientologist rather than his recent billionaire status (http://www.sfgate.com/business/article/Robert-Duggan-Scientology-s-biggest-donor-4234071.php ) we have probably the most devastating headline to date:

    “Scientology: Hollywood’s Favorite Religion is Nothing More Than An Empty Shell”

    http://www.policymic.com/articles/24401/scientology-hollywood-s-favorite-religion-is-nothing-more-than-an-empty-shell

    What I’m intrigued about is how Duggan would be feeling about all the press he is getting about being outed as scion’s biggest donor…. would he be secretly proud?, embarrassed? … or what. As we haven’t heard a peep from the whereabouts of Cruise, no PR, no pap shots, nothing for about a week now I’m leaning towards the latter.

    For background reading for those interested I have a few articles posted at the time about this Mary Reiser thing [Oct 5th from last year]

    MARY REISER – THE LIEING SCIENTOLOGY BITCH KILLING INNOCENT PEOPLE with the NARCONON-SCIENTOLOGY CONNECTION

    http://scientologybollocks.blogspot.co.uk/2012/10/mary-reiser-lieing-scientology-bitch.html

  • http://twitter.com/LocalSP1 LocalSP1

    Is anyone keeping tabs on Davey? I was thinking that he may be packing his bags right about now. It sure would be nice if he was under surveillance or something. You know, just to make sure he doesn’t get lost like Shelly.

    • Poison Ivy

      Has John P figured out Davey’s hidey hole yet?

      • Sherbet

        John isn’t telling if he has.

        • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBeU2utihwM Deckard Cain

          He’s got a VERY good idea of where it is, though. Davey should be scared.

    • SP ‘Onage

      Someone should be armed with a search warrant, and tracking that mofo’s every move with a Predator drone.

  • SP ‘Onage

    Narconon of Georgia and allegations of insurance fraud
    By Pete Combs

    When asked about billings for treatment of Emily Morton, Dawn Warner, an employee of Robbins Health Care Alliance, emailed the following statement:

     
    Thank you for bringing this to our attention. We have NEVER authorized Narcanon or anyone associated with Narcanon to bill ANY insurance under Dr. Robbins. We have NOT seen any of Narcanon’s students in several years. Since this does not effect the privacy of our patients, I can tell you we never seen a patient named Emily Morton. If they indeed did bill under Dr. Robbins this is insurance fraud. I would like to find out how many times they have done this sort of thing. I simply can not believe that Narcanon would have the gaul to try something like this again. Thank you for your assistance.

    What? “AGAIN!” Boy, what a bunch of fraudulent scumbags!

    • Poison Ivy

      This is the inevitable result of Scientology “Management Tech” – produce, produce, produce, stats, stats, stats, nothing (and no one) else matters. Reading Mary Rieser’s “Things That Should Not Be” (hmmm, why don’t you start w/Narconon, Mary?), I am struck by the incompetent, chaotic, reactive management style, as well as Mary’s histrionics, finger-pointing, and terrible use of the English language. I could almost laugh, that she is representative of one of Scientology’s “best” publics out in the world…but this is deadly serious. These people have no business being around people who desperately need REAL help.

      • SP ‘Onage

        I agree. These nutjobberys need to be shut down, NOW! Not tomorrow, but immediately!

      • John P.

        Exactly right. The idiocy of Scientology’s statistics-obsessed model is compounded by the fact that they have no ability to change the stats they are managing, because Hubbard’s ideas are the immutable last word on the subject (not that Miscavige is smart enough to dream up any improvements, even if he wanted to). It’s been a while since I read up on the stats they collect. But from what I recall, the stats are entirely designed for fast growth of a small organization which has a favorable “headwind” (i.e., people are easily predisposed to want your “product” without much education or complex sales effort, and they typically don’t have a lot of prior knowledge that could become “resistance” to the message).

        Well designed statistical management incentive programs have multiple paths to achieve “success,” usually requiring managers to balance between conflicting goals (revenue growth and customer satisfaction are often the conflicting metrics). And Scientology’s “management tech” doesn’t balance at all. As long as the customer pool expands rapidly, you can alienate a certain percentage of your customers by treating them poorly and it won’t affect your growth. But once the new customer pool starts to shrink, customer satisfaction is ridiculously important. It’s a bit of an understatement to say that Scientology is a bit wanting in that department.

        The focus on weekly stats, particularly in an era where the business is eroding (perhaps even imploding) is what drives all sorts of reaction. Desperate managers will stop at nothing to “game” the system, and each week’s failure to produce results in a bigger stretch to deliver “stats.” That’s at the heart of the reactive management style. In short order, management moves from “reactive” to “desperate,” and, given the punishments handed out, can quickly move to out-and-out “criminal.”

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Management “tech” boils down to: Make money, Make Moar Money, Make Others Make Moar Money. Scientologists live on a week to week basis: Thusrday at 2:00 p.m. Honestly, it’s insane stuff mixed in with feeble or minor mundane instructions.

          In a nutshell, Hubbard (too lazy to look it up) admitted he felt he could never get enough money or power. There was No excuse in His mind why he shouldn’t have more every single week.

        • PreferToBeAnon2

          As always, well said!

        • http://www.facebook.com/DefrockedBitterApostate Defrocked Bitter Apostate

          Asthese crooks continue to try to hand Miscaviage money, we could expect them to commit more actionable crimes in their effort to do so.

  • mook

    Jive Arses were on ITV last night. Celebrity sacrificial lambs #3
    https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/jive-aces-on-alan-titchmarsh-show.108570/

    • Captain Howdy

      The Jive Aces aren’t even “celebrity” scilons, they’re hardcore sea org who exist only to promote the cult. They try to recruit people at shows, taking down names, phone numbers, addresses and try to sell people books..All their videos on youtube are “comment pending approval” just like all the Co$, CCHR vids

    • http://twitter.com/media_lush media_lush

      I emailed ITV

      ITV viewer enquiries

      Telephone us on 0844 881 4150
      Calls cost 5p per minute from a BT landline. Calls from other networks may be higher and from mobiles will be considerably more.
      Please call and follow the options to direct your enquiry to the correct department.
      The Viewer Services team are available;
      Monday to Friday between 9.00am to 7.00pm
      Saturdays between 10.00am to 7.00pm
      They are closed on Sundays, Bank Holidays and Bank Holiday weekends.
      If you have any queries or comments about an ITV show, you can email us at: viewerservices@itv.com
      Alternatively, you can write to the team at:
      Viewer Services
      ITV Plc Gas Street
      Birmingham
      B1 2JT

      my comment:

      I would like to make an official complaint that ITV allowed the Alan Titchmarsh Show to be used a promotional piece for the cult of Scientology.

      The abuses of this cult are extremely well documented and have recently been highlighted by Pulitzer Prize winning author Lawrence Wright in his book “Going Clear: Scientology, Hollywood, and the Prison of Belief” and has been widely discussed on the internet.

  • AnonymousSP

    I wonder what Kirstie Alley is saying about her dear Narconon now. Wake up Celebrities! Your cult ship is going down fast. Hope Mary Reiser is in RPF. People have died under her watch.

    • BuryTheNuts2

      Interesting exchange. She is quiet so far today on Twitter.

    • Poison Ivy

      Can she go into the RPF if she isn’t Sea Org? She’s staff (technically, even though “Narconon isn’t Scientology”) and at OT – can staff be sent to RPF too? (Or will they have to cajole her to sign her billion year contract while sec-checked at Flag?)

      • Midwest Mom

        Isn’t the “hole” an all purpose banishment and punishment prison?

        • dbloch7986

          No the hole and the RPF are reserve for Sea Org members. You see public Scientologists are punished by extreme sec checking that costs them tens of thousands of dollars. It is a surreptitious fine. But Sea Org members have no money so they are punished using psychological, emotional and physical torture.

          Financial abuse, physical abuse, emotional abuse, psychological abuse, betrayal, deceit, verbal abuse, fraud, child labor, child abuse, child neglect and abandonment, separation anxiety and on and on are all forms of abuse conquered by Scientology policy and used daily by Scientology.

          • Midwest Mom

            Thanks for the clarification, lovey.

            • dbloch7986

              Welcome! They reserve the worst punishment for the most dedicated members. Ironic but expected by an evil organization like Scientology.

            • Poison Ivy

              Do you think even super severe sec-checking will shut her up/keep her in line?

            • dbloch7986

              The indoctrination process and the policy of disconnection already do that. But yes I think the sec checking will torture her enough to reinforce the indoctrination.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBeU2utihwM Deckard Cain

            But I recall reading where the previous director of Narconon Oklahoma is in the ‘Hole’ and I don’t think she was Sea Org. David Love would know.

            • N. Graham

              When they’re having them sign their depositions they probably slip one of their Billion Dollar Contracts in there just in case they want to punish them and draft them into the Sea Org so they can throw them into the Hole.

            • dbloch7986

              That was probably the head of Naconon International which is situated in the ABLE headquarters. ABLE is short for “Association for Better Living and Education”. It runs all of the church’s so called “social betterment programs”.

              It is staffed entirely by Sea Org members and falls directly under International Management. Each Continental Liaison Office (or CLO for short) has a branch of ABLE. There is ABLE EUS, ABLE WUS, ABLE Int, ABLE Canada, ABLE LATAM, ABLE Europe, etc.

              Within the ABLE offices are coordinators for (the ‘heads of’) Narconon, Applied Scholastics, Criminon, The Way to Happiness, Volunteer Ministers, etc.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Sea Org, Hemet, CA headquarters, where Miscavige lavishly lounges. RPF is strictly for Sea Org members too, and they are based in Los Angeles, Clearwter, not sure where the Australian hell hole is located now, and maybe a few others.

          Mary will likely be threatened with family disconnection (assuming her daughter still likes her despite Mary’s court documented neglect), and then there’s the matter of foreclosure on a condo her family practically gave away to her, not paying taxes, and yet somehow she has big bucks to donate to Ideal Orgs And Super Power.

          Who knows what else this poor excuse of a human has been up to. I’m betting she will be asked to take one for the team and throw herself on the one of those scientology swords (metaphorically). We’re talking about Millions of $$$ for Miscavige’s scotch supply and scuba diving gear here. Poor Davey. He might even have to fire one of his Tom Cruise food tasters if this kind of cash dam keeps leaking.

          • Midwest Mom

            Thank you, Holie. I seem to recall that Rieser’s condo was in foreclosure or else in danger of going into foreclosure for falling behind in her mortgage payments.

            It still amazes me that people have to pay for their sec checking. I would think that actual prison time would be preferable than sec checking.

  • Angry_Gay_Pope

    Kendrick Moxon, the lawyer mentioned is a long time Scientologist and their main legal eagle. For more about him check out http://www.kendrickmoxon.com.

    • Sherbet

      I always think of you when I hear moxon’s name, your holiness.

      • http://www.angrygaypope.com/ Angry Gay Pope

        Probably because I own his website!

        • Midwest Mom

          AGP, I wish that I lived closer to you to accompany you to your protests. (I’d bring snacks, too.)

        • Sherbet

          Ha! The video of your deposition is a must-see as a classic example of scn pigheaded stall tactics and ill-disguised bullying.

    • SandiCorrena

      love ya AGP, you’re a great man!

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      When someone asks how can scientology keep getting by with their crimes and abuses, they are really asking how can the American Bar Association allow such slime holes like Moxon and Yingling to still practice?

      • John P.

        The good news is that nature may be doing what the American Bar Association is not. Gerard Pfeffer, occasional cult consigliere and husband of Monique, is rumored to be in fairly poor health for someone who isn’t really all that old (70, it’s the new 50!), and Monique has scaled back her career to take care of him.

        While she hasn’t been that visible externally, she may have been serving as a trusted close adviser to the Dwarfish Malignancy, with extremely detailed knowledge of the cult’s current financial status (she is a tax attorney, after all, so she’s undoubtedly quite familiar with offshore banking arrangements). But Miscavige may have been relying on her for more than just strategic advice. I have seen several data points that lead me to wonder whether she helps with operational tasks like moving money around, given that Miscavige probably doesn’t trust any of his internal staff any longer. With Yingling extricating herself from this role, Miscavige may be in a bit as far as both financial advice and the ability to run the financial operation himself. While there are undoubtedly many expensive “wog experts” he could hire, it will probably take a long time before he convinces himself that they’re not FBI plants and begins to trust them.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          “While there are undoubtedly many expensive “wog experts” he could hire,
          it will probably take a long time before he convinces himself that
          they’re not FBI plants and begins to trust them.”

          Oooh, you just made my day, JohnP.

          • http://twitter.com/tetloj tetloj

            Precisely – it’s very hard trying to stop my heart from singing with all of this news in January – have to keep reminding self that this stuff has been going on for 60 years….

        • http://www.facebook.com/michael.tilse Michael Leonard Tilse

          “Dwarfish Malignancy” LOL! I love it!

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Gerard-Plourde/1127841398 Gerard Plourde

          Is it possible that we’re also seeing the rats beginning to desert the sinking ship? I wouldn’t be surprised if some of the more financially and legally sophisticated inner circle are getting a sense of the impending shipwreck and are attempting to get out of the way to avoid being sucked down when she goes under.

    • Poison Ivy

      I posted this earlier – I went to your moxon link and went down the rabbit hole. I had no idea his daughter died at Gold in 2000! From a freak electrocution “accident.” I just can’t get my head around the idea that he’d still work for them! He must really be evil.

      • villagedianne

        Evil, yes. Also deluded. Possibly in denial about the whole thing.

        • Poison Ivy

          It seems that Scientology does something to a lot of parents. It just deadens that parental love-unconditional devotion center in their brain. Take Derek’s case, for example. Scientology seems to activate the “off switch” for the most basic human emotions and dececny.

          • http://lliira.dreamwidth.org/ Lliira

            A lot of parents don’t have unconditional love or devotion to their kids in the first place. It’s not just in Scientology, though Scientology definitely encourages not-loving anything or anyone. And anyway, kids are little adults, dying is just ending a cycle, and clearing the planet’s the only thing that matters.

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            There actually has been studies, recent, case was a woman who felt no emotion for others. She had to have a brain operation, and she woke up with those feelings. As I understand it (and I only read science breakthroughs for dummies) there’s all kinds of switches, one of them may lead to an additional tool in addiction. It’s only been since technical breakthroughs involving brain surgery that more studies are being done as funding comes available. I was shocked to learn how little was medically known about the brain.

            Oh, but Ken Moxon is just your run of the mill sociopath.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              There was a study done a couple of years or more ago that concluded the human brain has more switches than all of the computers and internet connections on earth.

              I do believe I got screwed and hooked up with a faulty device.

          • villagedianne

            People left kids behind to join the Rajneesh commune in Oregon. But disconnection is even a degree worse that that.

            • Poison Ivy

              I think the deadening of the “parental love” impulse occurs in most cults, because by necessity that emotion draws a lot of energy and that energy must be devoted to the cult leader or cause. In the Davidians there are stories of mothers turning their 12 year old daughters out
              to be brides of Koresh…and similar things happened in the Children of God cult which forced its kids to do all sorts of sexual things. Children are usually relegated to some sort of group raising, separating them from their parents and purposefully weakening that bond.

          • dbloch7986

            Scientology somehow creates a sociopath out of everyone. It’s this inhuman emotional detachment. When I finally started feeling emotions again, I had no clue how to deal with them. I hadn’t felt emotions in years. I suppressed all of them. It’s that damn “TR” training.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Gerard-Plourde/1127841398 Gerard Plourde

        I read that account as well back when I was first getting acquainted with the whole sordid mess and I still have difficulty understanding how he could continue to be such a willing servant of the CO$.

        • N. Graham

          He signed a contract. But because he’s an attorney he talked them down to only a million years.

    • Espiando

      Well, you do know Ken better than pretty much any one of us, if memory serves…

    • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBeU2utihwM Deckard Cain

      That website is genius, AGP.

  • mook
    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Excellent. It was my hope that Lawrence Wright’s book would draw attention to the need for addressing our 501c tax exemptions for non profits, particuarly making transparency mandatory and also we need a governning agency over them. The IRS has repeatedly stated they are just too damn busy, understaffed, underfunded and Only respond to complaints and Only if there is amply docs attached.

      There Are existing laws and rules about what happens if a group commits crimes or human rights abuses, including revocation of their exempt status. What needs to change is financial transparency and an independent body with powers to examine said books. From that article, this guy gets it and is freaked out, as he should be:

      “Yes,other big profit-making entities push government around, too — just
      take a look at Wall Street — but none has the body armour of a church.
      Effectively, what we have here is a profit-making machine that
      disregarded the law to pursue restitution of its tax-exempt status,
      which in turn made it even more potent, even more immune to the rules
      that govern the rest of us.”

      • http://twitter.com/tetloj tetloj

        This article was a great antidote to all of the “all religions are batshit crazy” comments on articles critical of Scientology (increasingly coming from ‘bots)

  • http://lliira.dreamwidth.org/ Lliira

    I’m trying to read “Things That Should Not Be”, but I have to take it in chunks. The Scientologese is just too much for my brain to handle in large doses. From “hatting” to “out tech” to “exterior” to “I had almost constant attention on the fact.” I’ve never seen that last one before. What is having constant attention on something supposed to mean?

    • http://www.facebook.com/michael.tilse Michael Leonard Tilse

      It means that you are having to put your ‘attention’, otherwise known as your focus of thinking and action, on that single task alone. It means you can’t do much of anything else because of it.

      • http://lliira.dreamwidth.org/ Lliira

        So she was putting all her effort toward trying to get someone over whom she had no control to do something that person did not want to do. What a sound strategy!

  • http://www.facebook.com/larry.moore.9693001 Larry Moore

    Narconon attorney (to the court): Your Honor, it has recently come to our attention that one Mary Reiser in years past had taken it upon herself to lie, deceive and otherwise engage in activities wholly prohibited by Narconon of Georgia. Our client is surprised, shocked and dismayed at her flagrant abuse of our code of ethics. Upon learning of Ms. Reisers arbitrary and individually chosen actions, NOG demanded her resignation, and received it.

    Therefore Your Honor we move to have the entire case dismissed. The individual that was the fault of this whole issue, is gone. Narconon of Georgia would now like to get back to their social betterment program of alleviating people from the horrible consequences of drug and or alcohol abuse.

    We would also like the court to order the Desmond family to pay the attorneys fees (of 4.5 million dollars) of Narconon of Georgia, to Narconon of Georgia, trusting that Narconon of Georgia will take care of their attorneys fee’s, later on.

    Thank you.

    PS: ‘You do know’, Your Honor, that ‘we know’ that you have a 5 year granddaughter named Cindy that goes to Singleton Elementary School don’t you? And you have an uncle (Timothy) that was once institutionalized? And that you have a dog named Duke (that is home alone between 7 am and 4 pm every day). Just making sure. Thank you again.

    • Sherbet

      Ouch. And not really unlikely.

      • Poison Ivy

        I’d believe them capable of it. Hey, remember, all this is Marty Rathbun’s fault, anyway. If you can blame one person….

        • Sherbet

          As we all know by now, the cos’s thugs are capable of anything. Although cos has committed plenty of larcenous acts over the years, the Paulette Cooper near-tragedy is a terrific eye-opener to show how crooked the cult really is.

        • http://www.facebook.com/bob.gravlin Bob Gravlin

          You are not posting real names and info I hope to give them any ideas?

          • http://www.facebook.com/larry.moore.9693001 Larry Moore

            Certainly not posting real names. I made them up. The point is made though. As for giving DM ideas, to tell you the truth I wouldn’t mind DM hiring some private thugs to try and intimidate the judge in the case. Especially if they were to, like, you know, wear the squirrel busters costumes with camera’s on their heads, while following the Judge out of the courthouse to her car.

    • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

      Bravo! Bravo!

      Finally, someone here understands that we in the Church of Scientology are the victims of bigots and haters.

      • BuryTheNuts2

        And bitter defrocked apostates!

  • http://twitter.com/sandyshores50 Sunny Sands

    In the first sentence of Exhibit A, Rieser calls patients living in Delgado’s apartments outpatient students. This contradicts her telling the Florida court they were inpatient.

    • dagobarbz

      Well, yeah. You see, in Georgia they were “outpatient” because that’s what the law allowed.
      In Florida, they use ‘inpatient’ so they could get those sweet public dollars from Florida courts who thought they were running an inpatient program, but NN knew they would not travel to Georgia to find out.

      It’s a floor wax AND a dessert topping!

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    Holy Cow! Excuse momentary derail. Graham Berry has announced that Ursula Caberta is retiring. Oh, yeah, keep those e-readers and tablets charged. She’s writing a book!

    “Ursula is now writing what she claims is her final book on the Church and its
    sordid history of blackmail, bribery and secular fraud.”

    https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/ursula-caberta-retires-from-state-of-hamburg-government.108573/

    • Poison Ivy

      I just re-watched the video of her harassment at the airport in FLA…I’m sure she has a story to tell.

      • BuryTheNuts2

        Those whacky Scientologist’s! They sure are a jovial social group.
        I know they would be the first people I would want to invite over for a BBQ.
        Oh the stimulating conversations to be had.
        The humorous anecdotes they would tell….”Oh hey, remember that time we were bull baiting an enemy at the airport? Oh those were the days…haha”

        When I snap my fingers you will be fully awake and feel totally relaxed. You won’t remember a thing.
        SNAP!

        • stillgrace

          The epitome of “a$$holeness.”

        • coonellie

          BTN, I don’t think I’ve told you, but you rock! I wish you were on my block…I’d help with the snap (and a little bend, too!)

          • BuryTheNuts2

            Thanks c!
            I appreciate that.

            I understand I have some quirks…but what the hell, eh!

    • SP ‘Onage

      WHOOP!

    • http://twitter.com/tetloj tetloj

      I just crossed myself.

    • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBeU2utihwM Deckard Cain

      I hope that Ursula doesn’t slobber all over Marty Rathbun like she did when he went to Germany. His brand of cult juice shouldn’t receive anyone’s ‘blessing’ let alone hers.

    • http://twitter.com/katebornstein Kate Bornstein

      Holy cow, for sure. Thanks for the heads up. xoxo

  • Greg S

    Me thinks Davey will soon be trying to pin this whole thing on Mary Reiser and before too long she will be labeled a bitter defrocked apostate who was fired for incompetence.

    • stillgrace

      Technically, she’s not eligible to be labeled a bitter defrocked apostate until she’s blown and spoken out against Co$. Let’s hope that can happen before her brain cracks from her sec-checking that is most likely happening as we “speak”.

  • http://www.facebook.com/bob.gravlin Bob Gravlin

    As I work in the field of substance abuse I know how hard working with addicts , and especially those in denial can be. Conflicts between staff are one of the biggest problems which makes treatment more difficult. And throw in non evidence based quack treatment and it makes it ,much worse. It seems like the media and the public is finally starting to get more than a whiff of the dead rat that has been festering for so long!

  • http://www.facebook.com/DefrockedBitterApostate Defrocked Bitter Apostate

    So Moxon is still alive, interesting. As for Riese, why has she been let out of jail for her endless Judicially-recognized perjury?

  • Observer

    I really hope Gary “Pornstache” Smith in at NarCONon Arrowhead doesn’t have to wait long for his turn under the microscope …

  • dwayners13

    I now know what scientologists mean when they say “creating new & better realities”, whenever Miscavige is opening a new morge, I mean org or talking at an IAS gala he goes on & on about the billions of people the church & narconon has saved from drugs. However when we hear about the number of deaths, example of fraud & various other complaints, the church uses their OT powers to create a new & better reality (for them) where narconon & the church are not associated with each other. The only problem is, unless Miscavige can travel back in time & take his foot out of his mouth (which considering the size of his little feet vs his enormous mouth should be rather easy) they can’t really get away with the new reality where narconon & the church are just causal friends.

  • http://twitter.com/BradGreenwood2 Bradley Greenwood

    I would love to see the video. I bet the wig crept forward after every word.

    • stillgrace

      I vote your comment for the “snark of the week!” Nicely done.

  • http://twitter.com/BradGreenwood2 Bradley Greenwood

    Hate to be a dickhead (but it’s what I am), but wouldn’t a stuck pig squeal? You might be referring to the sheep-like Scilons that would, indeed, bleat.

    • BuryTheNuts2

      Thank you, that was driving my farm raised ass crazy all day.
      But I didn’t want to be a dickhead.
      Thank you for falling on the sword.

    • Sherbet

      I always thought the expression was “bleeding like a stuck pig,” but I like Tony’s take. Of course, he can do no wrong in my eyes.

  • Sid Snakey

    Someone paid half a million dollars to be interrogated??
    I need to go and lie down. I try my hardest to feel sympathy for decent, honest people getting sucked into this scam but I’m struggling tonight.

    • http://www.facebook.com/michael.tilse Michael Leonard Tilse

      It’s not just about ‘Now’, it’s about eternity. If you thought, as scientologists do, that spending that money now will make ALL future lives better, wouldn’t you do it? Wouldn’t you even go bankrupt or defraud someone to gain that eternal advantage? It’s not about this life or what others consider legal or ethical, it’s about becoming a god.

      • Anonymookme

        NO. I would not do it. It all boils down to an inner need to feel superior to others. No thanks.

        • EnthralledObserver

          Exactly… I wouldn’t either. Scientology appeals to people who believe there is something wrong with them, and feel an urgent need to fix it. Scientology uses this against them, teaching them that they can be ‘better’ than others even – so, not only are they led to believe they can fix what is wrong, but they can become ‘superior’ – which ultimately only masks their inferiority complex they had in the first place. Then its a game of playing one off against another – which is why they swear they got benefits even when they didn’t.

          • BuryTheNuts2

            See now, I would probably be the sucker giving them everything so I could have my eternity.
            Thank god for the internet.

        • http://lliira.dreamwidth.org/ Lliira

          I wouldn’t either. Especially the “defraud others” part — no, absolutely not, I would not do it. If I believed something like that, I might give my money I had earned legally and ethically. But aggrandizing onesself at the expense of others for one’s supposed future lives is no more excusable than doing it for the sake of this life.

          And I would see no sense in going bankrupt for it. I could give more money in the long-term if I did not go bankrupt.

          • grundoon

            The Ethics Officer wants a word with you.

      • Sid Snakey

        Defraud someone? Go bankrupt? No. At least I hope not.

      • coonellie

        Lucifer would agree wholeheartedly.

      • http://lliira.dreamwidth.org/ Lliira

        It’s not about this life or what others consider legal or ethical, it’s about becoming a god.

        Forget gullibility; that’s selfishness taken to a ludicrous extreme. It’s all about personal power and glory? Do you know how incredibly disturbing that is?

        • http://www.facebook.com/michael.tilse Michael Leonard Tilse

          I think it comes about because there is some desire to either never be vulnerable again, or to gain power over others.

          The weight of all those future lives, powerful lives balanced against this one.

          If there seems no way to preserve the promise of the future within the rules, then going outside them becomes permissible.

          I do know how disturbing it is. It’s not so much ‘glory’, but a smug attitude of being one of the elite who know the hidden ‘truth’.

          It’s hard to communicate this internal attitude so people outside understand it.

          • http://lliira.dreamwidth.org/ Lliira

            I know Scientology is far from the only group that says doing horrible things is okay if you’re doing it for some supposedly higher cause. It’s really easy to see in many religions, where people are told to do or put up with terrible things in the name of eternity and a higher power, but I think any group can fall prey to it. Sports teams, businesses, governments, armies…

            I’m glad you can be so open about it. I think if more people are as honest as you are here, we can really start getting somewhere, and not just with Scientology.

            • http://www.facebook.com/michael.tilse Michael Leonard Tilse

              Thanks. From my own perspective, it is a combination of things. A major one is this hope: Never be vulnerable again. Others include: the idea that I am seriously helping others, that everyone has horrible lives ahead if I do nothing, that I was seriously a bad dude in past lives and have to make up for it.

              Regarding being vulnerable: I don’t have reliable memory of things much earlier than about 7 years old. I don’t know why. I can look at things like family pictures and class pictures and see a change in my face from bright smile to grim endurance about then. I remember several incidents both at a pre-school and with my parents where I was made to feel deeply helpless and worthless. It’s not a good feeling. I know that scientology appealed to that sad, helpless abused little boy with the promise of psychic power, amazing ability and the feeling I could do something wonderful. And at the end of scientology I was as confused and overwhelmed as I ever had been.

              Hubbard used the promise of healing the innermost damage of our souls to further rape us.

  • mook

    remember how the CoS’s Big Blue used to be Cedars of Lebanon Hospital for many many years? Well, look what turned up in a 1935 Three Stooges short
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53KcqITIPlA

    • Captain Howdy

      Good find mook. You have keen search instincts.

    • sugarplumfairy

      Lol.. That’s priceless! I’m thinking COB’s whole track included a stint as Moe Howard.. I’ll have to give some thought to who Larry and Curly are now..

      • sugarplumfairy
        • Captain Howdy

          Perhaps DM was Moe in a past life ? Who are we to doubt his faith ?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBeU2utihwM Deckard Cain

            Awwww, please don’t denigrate the Stooges by suggesting any one of them were DM in a past life. Moe was the slappy leader but he had a heart and he got as good as he gave.

  • BMF

    And now they are getting hit with insurance fraud. Client pays for full program yet NN Georgia bills the insurance company over $150k. Their lawyer maintains they follow all laws and insurance billing procedures though. Their lawyers are just as guilty as they are for defending this crap.

  • dagobarbz

    “Harris points out that Narconon International is getting legal help from Kendrick Moxon…” Tee-hee! Dusting off old Kendrick for the defense, huh? Hey, he did a great job coaching that witness in Sparrow’s case…she proceeded to get up on the stand, lie her face off, and contradict everything the plaintiff had already said.

    So…Moxon, cool. Let’s hope his losing trend continues the downward slide with the rest of the cult rubble!

    • Observer

      Just one more piece of evidence that Scientology and Narconon are completely unrelated. No, really.

  • N. Graham

    #300! Man, a lot of comments!

  • dbloch7986

    Wow… Narconon’s attorney said that they are concerned about the biased media coverage against them. You killed for people you fucking idiots. Biased my ass. You’re murderers and you collected $166,000 worth of fraudulent insurance charges.

    How can Mary Reiser still be involved in Scientology after the criminal activity she has seen happen right in front of her face. You know that she was aware that insurance money was being falsely collected. This woman needs a reality check.

    • BuryTheNuts2

      The irony of her being sec “checked’ within an inch of her life is interesting…even if it is done by the enemy within.

    • http://twitter.com/tetloj tetloj

      Yep – sometimes “fucking idiots” is the only label that really fits

    • BMF

      Dont ya know, Tony and the rest of the critics are paid by the drug companies and psychiatrists. Mary will continue with Scientology for sure and still be considered in good standing after doing her little condition formula. Its pathetic.

    • Ze Moo

      Reiser may get her reality adjustment. Courts are giving out jail sentences for insurance fraud. The Russian mafia in NYC left most of its illegal businesses (prostitution, drugs, etc) to focus on Medicare fraud. The penalty for Medicare fraud was you had to pay the money back. Jail time wasn’t given out. That has been changing the last few years. but insurance fraud is a big business every where.

    • AnyOldName1

      Mary’s being kept around long enough to be hung out to dry when the axe falls. She’s been removed from her post and sent to Flag for security checks so Co$, which has no ties to Narconon, can get to the bottom of it. Dontchaknow?

  • SP ‘Onage

    (((Hugs))) To the Desmond family. Just in case you read Tony ‘s blog.

  • dbloch7986

    Does anyone remember the Radio/TV station that the Church bought a while back? Has anyone heard anything about that recently?

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/9394213/Church-of-Scientology-launching-TV-station.html

    • BuryTheNuts2

      KCET

      • dbloch7986

        Yup that’s the one. Are we going to get to watch live confessionals? Apollo ship orgies? Are there going to be boxing matches where DM always wins? Musical Chairs?

        • BuryTheNuts2

          Lulz…I am definitely going with the Apollo ship orgies.
          (Well at least in my mind).

          There are reasons for this.
          1. The Apollo ship orgies do not include David Miscavige.
          2. The Musical chairs episode DOES include David Miscavige.
          3. Ditto the boxing matches (see #2)
          4. The Apollo ship orgies..Well, they include actual occasional orgies…or lots of good old fashioned fuckin’ around and actually having a good time.

          No matter how much we hate Scientology and everything about it…be it LRH or DM and every crappy thing that goes with it. (and let me reiterate the HATRED of it all!!!!!)
          I still have memories of a time when it was “cool” to be a Scientologist.

          WORST THING EVER!!!!

          Hindsight is 20/20.

          • http://twitter.com/katebornstein Kate Bornstein

            Ah, the Apollo orgies. Now, those were the days that made the sea org grand. Dang.

            • dbloch7986

              Kate, I am so jelly. I wish there had been orgies when I was in the Sea Org. I always wondered why Scientology couldn’t have been one of those sex cults instead of this stupid sexual repression that I’ve spent the last 8 years getting rid of.

          • AstroLadyBoy

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLshahuTlqw

            Gah! First few minutes of this vid are pure lulz – the Sci’s bragging “as of the summer of 2004, what’s hip is scientology!” and Tom’s dauntless, defiant and resolute “screw you” to naysayers (literally) “Don’t mess with Tom Cruise” (audience applause).

            Arghhhhh sickening. Yet a truly hilarious walk down memory lane given how the tables have turned !!!!

            • AstroLadyBoy

              “Tom Cruise, NASA spokesman”.

              WTF ?!?

          • dbloch7986

            Haha i remember feeling cool to be a Scientologist too. I remember thinking that OTs could read my mind when I was a kid.

            I also remember orgies, but they were the imaginary kind, that I had to talk about in sec checks later

            :(

        • http://twitter.com/media_lush media_lush

          If you track down the original comments from Tony’s VV article on this I think there about a couple of hundred programming ideas that people came up with – one of the funnier comment threads for sure

          • dbloch7986

            I remember that. It was fun.

    • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBeU2utihwM Deckard Cain

      It was the KCET studio (used to be the PBS television station for the Los Angeles market until KCET dumped their PBS programming, which was a DUMB move) and the Cult leased back the studio to KCET up until a few months ago when KCET moved out. And now that Huell Howser died, KCET’s golden goose is gone….sad.

      The building is a historical building (or parts of it are) so the Cult is restricted to what it can change. I’m guessing that they will use it for a new money scam out here in So CA but nothing has been leaked for their plans yet.

  • http://twitter.com/media_lush media_lush

    National Enquirer’s come up with a doozy of a Cruise/Suri story …. they just don;t give a f*ck anymore, lol

  • Huffer Poser

    Like it or not, drug detox is a protected medical expression of religious belief within Scientology. There’s nothing that can be done legally. It’s protected by the constitution- religious medical drug detox is free for all. State governments have no right to interfere with medical religious licensing or religious medical treatments.

    • jensting

      Brilliant piece of sarcasm! Of course, that has not been the claim from the criminal organisation known as the “church” of $cientology.

      Not so far.

      • AnyOldName1

        Give ‘em time.

      • wannabeclear

        It will be amusing to see how they try to argue both sides of the “we are a religion/we are independent from the Co$” argument.

  • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

    We in RTC were led to believe that Mary Rieser was a Scientologist.

    Upon actual investigation it has been learned that she is a Canadian.

    This Rieser woman appears to be part of a murky group of Canadian Psych implanters that have long sought to harm the good name of Scientology by infiltrating actual drug cases into Narconon.

    While Narconon is ostensibly designed to treat drug cases, it is actually a recruitment arm for Sea Org. And because a drug addict is an illegal pc by definition, it follows that Narconon cannot accept illegal pc’s for recruitment into the Sea Org.

    In its original conception, Narconon was only supposed to accept decent young people who had smoked a joint or had popped a pill and had thus been rushed into the nearest drug treatment center by their hysterical Wasp parents. This is why Narconon centers are only located in Waspy suburbs and not in inner cities where real hardcore drug cases exist. Narconon regges tell panicked Wasp parents that their kids will become drugs addicts and prostitutes unless they immediately sign on the dotted line and fork over a wheelbarrow full of cash.

    We in the Church Scientology aim to help make the able more able and so we certainly do not want real hardcore drug addicts. The State can handle those types of DB’s.

    What we want for Narconon are young people who are covered by really good parental medical insurance. We need to bill $150,000 — $500,000, or whatever we can get, for each of these kids we take in. And we need to keep overhead down by housing these kids in filthy and disgusting Sea Org-like berthing because, once we brainwash them, that is exactly where they are headed: Actual filthy and disgusting Sea Org berthing.

    What Narconon does is to push the dangerous environment racket on terrified Wasp parents. We clean these people out for as much as can get and then we recruit their kids into the Sea Org.

    However, it appears that this Reiser woman was sent in to harm our 100% safe and effective Narconon program and we in RTC are morally outraged by what has happened.

    We have referred this matter to our lawyers and have no comment.

    • N. Graham

      “What Narconon does is to push the dangerous environment racket on terrified Wasp parents. We clean these people out for as much as can get and then we recruit their kids into the Sea Org.”
      This is exactly why you need to get the Detroit org up and running.

      • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

        Exactamundo!

        The Detroit Ideal Org has fallen and can’t get up.

        And we in the Church of Scientology can’t find any money to help.

        So please donate today for a better Detroit tomorrow!

  • PreferToBeAnon2

    Taking a break for a moment from the out-right criminal behavior but still along the lines of disgusting and this-can’t-possibly-be-a-church, I found this interesting from Rieser’s document:

    “It was apparent that this divorce was wanted by org terminals but I am sure that there was no understanding about this asset that was being taken and what the ramifications would be to Narconon survival.”

    The Co$ controls every aspect of its members’ lives, you say? It is only interested in money? Ummmm…. yeppers. It’s so nice to see it in black and white and for it to be sitting on a judge’s desk. May the judge’s copy be dog eared and have many notes in the margin.

    • EnthralledObserver

      I noted the significance of that sentence too… finally some proof of the fact that this apparently occurs frequently.

  • AstroLadyBoy

    This infuriating puff piece with the infuriating liar, Virginia “we don’t have aliens living inside us” Stewart, is hosted by Channel 7 – the same channel producing the Today Tonight program of which Bryan Seymour has presented some 50+ Sci cult busting pieces over 5 years ! Maybe Kochie’s too learned to bother with TT.
    This is an upstat for Wright book damage control. God how I hope Larry visits Australia on Going Clear’s release.

    http://au.tv.yahoo.com/sunrise/video/-/watch/60a53280-af10-365a-b549-d8621c28ffcc/scientology-secrets-revealed/

  • wannabeclear

    Look at all the amazing amounts of damage that’s happening from just the documents in this case. What is the likelihood this will actually make it to trial? It will obviously take an obscene amount of cash to stop the bad PR train for Narconon/Co$ in Georgia, but I can’t imagine that the Tiny Tyrant would let the connections to the Co$ sit out there in open court in the way they are threatening to do once the Desmond family’s attorney gets Mary Rieser on the stand. The way I see it, obscene amounts of cash and the shut down of Narconon Georgia would be letting them off easy. This should be a criminal negligence trial, not just a civil dispute.

  • Still_On_Your_Side

    “The purpose of Narconon and housing appears to be supporting org staff.” It doesn’t get more explicit than that.

  • richelieu jr

    Interesting with all this talk about how nobody evaluates Narconon’s supposed ‘success rate’.. Has anyone done a per capita death rate table? can’t believe any other treatment program offers as much chance of dying, not ths year at any rate, and certainly not for such a price–

    Sure anyone can negligently let your kid die, but cant hey help him get drugs and torture him so repeatedly, generating such boredom in saunas, etc, that he’ll take almost any way out?

    For that, you need to get out the platinum card, dear parents…

    Sure, we here at Scientolo- Narconon may not have the highest death rate per dollar– But that’s just becasue we charge so damn much…

    “NARCONON: At least at the funeral no one will say you were cheap.”