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Vance Woodward files motion to reconsider his dismissed lawsuit against Scientology

UndoButtonWe’ll give him this — Vance Woodward is a fighter. The attorney, who spent more than 20 years in Scientology, then dropped out of it, wrote a book about his experiences in the church (which he later pulled from circulation), helped us read Dianetics cover to cover in one of our favorite series here at the Bunker, and moved to Los Angeles to restart his legal career, is not giving up on his lawsuit over the $200,000 he says he still has on account at Scientology.

Like other longtime church members, Vance had banked money against future courses that he didn’t end up taking, and he wants it back. But Superior Court Judge Michael Johnson granted Scientology’s anti-SLAPP motion and dismissed the suit.

Johnson criticized Vance for papering the court with complaints not so much about the money dispute but about how Scientology worked and how it had failed him. Scientology characterized that as an attack on its First Amendment right to free religious expression, and Johnson agreed.

Now, Vance is back with a more narrowly focused document which says that his lawsuit is really about a contract and a money dispute, not about Scientology’s First Amendment rights. If you remember, we told you last time that Scientology had pulled a last-minute switch: Woodward had been preparing for a hearing about Scientology’s motion to compel internal arbitration, but at the last minute it substituted that for its anti-SLAPP motion, which the judge granted.

Vance says he was sandbagged, and he thinks the judge should consider material that he’d prepared for the arbitration issue until the switch was made.

He makes several legal arguments, and we’ll let the lawyers in our community tell us how sound they are. We think Vance makes some good points here, but we’re not sure how often a motion to reconsider is granted. We’d love to get some smart opinions from our legal friends.

Here’s the motion…

 

Woodward v. Scientology: Motion for Reconsideration

 
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Claire Headley on her escape from Scientology

Claire continues the thrilling story of her escape from Scientology’s secretive International Base in this podcast with Jeffrey Augustine…

 

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on October 21, 2014 at 07:00

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  • DodoTheLaser
  • Marc Headley had already
    escaped. He actually avoided their chase by getting a police escort
    into Hemet. Local Law enforcement are well informed of INT Base horrors.
    Many have escaped previously. In this video Claire tells her actual escape
    story.
    I love Sea Org Escape Stories.
    Fleeing the Church of Scientology “blowing” as they call it internally is an adrenal
    pumping scary event. Usually well planned, well thought out and kept
    utterly secret.
    Never is the saying “loose lips sink ships” more appropriate than in the Cult of
    Scientology.
    Because its a cult of snitching and “Knowledge Reports”. You tell one person
    and it will be ratted out by even your best friend. Departure is
    considered traitorous and treason and an automatic assignment of TREASON (A
    lowered condition handled in “Ethics”)
    Many Sea org Escapees have bad recurring dreams of escape and chases for YEARS after leaving the
    Cult.

    I did escape once. I wasn’t even leaving the Cult. I was only escaping
    from Clearwater to Los Angeles. I had married Heber and if I did not join
    him it was going to be a marriage a continent apart. Los Angeles would
    not permit him to leave and Flag would not permit me to leave. Finally I
    got an authorization to go to LA but it was quickly challenger and cancelled.

    With no luggage, with stealth I crept into the back of Motor pool van that did regular runs to Tampa
    Airport. I literally bundled myself below the bench at the back and 10 mins later the van took off.

    I knew I would be found missing within minutes and I knew all about airport pursuits. The Cult did not have “travel agency” access so they did not know what flight I would be on.

    A distracted driver hardly noticed me emerge from the van,
    but as I entered the airport terminal I was being paged to pick up the nearest
    page telephone. With my heart pounding I
    rushed up some escalators found a ladies toilet and hid.
    I planned to rush to get on the plane on last call for the flight. At
    one point I heard some folk enter whispering.
    I did not want my legs and feet to show and I climbed ON the toilet with
    a pounding heart. Time slows down in incidents like this. 5 minutes is an
    eternity.

    Unauthorized leave within the Sea org carries severe penalties. I was in a state of trepidation, high anxiety
    and feeling like a fugitive ! Last call came over the speakers and I rushed out of the bathroom to the get on the non stop flight to Los Angeles.

    As I went down the aisle for seating I run straight into a senior
    commodore’s messenger. My heart dropped. I wasn’t thinking
    straight. SHE did not know I had fled. It was Bitty Miscavige, the mother of Jenna Miscavige ~~ I am looking
    straight at her but I know she does not know my story. I gave her a chirpy
    “Hello Bitty!” (she was Apollo crew ~~ we had crossed the Atlantic
    together and I took a seat next to her with my agitation gently subsiding.)

    I Immediately reported in to Sea Org in Los Angeles. 48 hours
    later, Sue Price, the then “IJC” International Justice Chief another
    messenger handled me a golden rod with a Committee of Evidence for departing
    Clearwater. 1 week later it got cancelled.

    That Christmas Heber and
    I sent out this Christmas Card !
    The difference is that
    Heber is stuck in the prison and I am a free spirit

    • Elar Aitch

      So many stories. Thanks for sharing this one Karen.

    • Jimmy3

      That is a great story, thank you. But there is either Roman centurion or a ballerina photobombing that Christmas card. What is that?

      • Elar Aitch

        I vote centurion

        • Sherbet

          DM, in disguise.

          • Yes – he was, in fact posing with the group.
            It’s just that he’s so small that it looks as if he’s far away.

          • Elar Aitch

            Hey – the snark is back!

      • Sidney18511

        I assumed it was Tarzan.

      • Observer

        It looks like it’s wearing a pageant sash.

      • Draco

        Wow – you have an eye for detail J3. Didn’t even notice that…

    • Truthiwant

      When Sea Org members tie the knot, it’s a threesome from day one; husband, wife and LRH!

      • Jimmy3

        You are right: People should not eat breakfast.

    • Xique

      Most amazing card /photo! Thank you Karen and Jeffrey for every thing you do! And yes I love these Sea Org escape stories, they are gripping. Congratulations to Claire an Marc, Mr and Mrs Blown for Good!

    • Vinnie Rego

      Too bad about Heber. When I was “in,” Heber was an inspiration to me. I loved it when he was on the Tom Snyder Show – I think Tom Snyder really liked him.

    • “I love Sea Org Escape Stories”
      That deserves a T-shirt (refresh)

      • Truthiwant

      • AintMizBahavin

        ill buy one even though im a never in

    • Chee Chalker

      Was Heber the president when this happened?

    • Draco

      Love your story Karen! I also love Sea Org escape stories. Whenever I read them my emotions go on a roller-coaster ride. And if they are caught and get talked into returning – I am beside myself! Well done to all of us who got out! 🙂

    • It’s fascinating, to an outsider like myself, how much anxiety and outright fear people suffer when they even think in ways that are contrary to doctrine, let alone plan/execute and escape.

      I can understand how spending too much time in the closed world of the Sea Org can create the situation which Janja Lalich characterises as ‘bounded choice’

      http://scicrit.wordpress.com/2014/01/13/bounded-choice/

      In the process of adapting to this demanding and oppressive environment you must learn to think only in terms of Scientology because nobody you know will dare talk about leaving the Sea Org as anything other than a staggering betrayal. Just being able to think of such an action must be an effort. Planning and executing it shows high courage and independent thought.

      My fear is that only a minority of those presently trapped in the Sea Org have the qualities required to escape, and their prospect of recovery declines with every day they stay. When the CofS finally collapses, it will leave behind it a lot of severely institutionalised victims.

      • pluvo

        You got that right. It also takes an effort as well to suppress the thought about leaving, as this thoughts mostly comes up in the ‘security checks’ and that means you have the department
        of ‘ethics’ (Thought police) ‘handling‘ you. The members are afraid of getting ‘SP declared’, because that means disconnection and to ‘lose one’s eternity’ (it is similar as for a Christian only hell waiting for him).
        It can be very lonely in Scientology when one has disagreements and doubts, as it has always consequences to communicate any non-comform thought. The person is getting immediately
        reported by whoever he is confiding his thoughts. Like in Orwell’s “1984”.

        Some excerpts from Scientology Policies:
        “Therefore, informing fellow staff members and others that one is leaving is hereby
        properly labeled a suppressive act.”
        “Where a person is secretly planning to leave and making private preparations to do so without informing the proper terminals in an org and does leave (blow) and does not return within a reasonable length of time an automatic declare* is to be issued”.

        “Suppressive Acts are clearly those covert or overt acts knowingly calculated to reduce or destroy the influence or activities of Scientology or prevent case gains or continued Scientology success and activity on the part of a Scientologist. As persons or groups that self interest only to the detriment of all others, they cannot be granted the rights and beingness ordinarily accorded rational beings and so place themselves beyond any consideration for their feelings or well being.”

        “It is a high crime to publicly depart Scientology.”

        *declare = getting declared an ‘SP’ (a ‘Suppressive Person’).
        That means also, that all members of the CoS have to disconnect from you. If somebody
        refuses to disconnect, he gets himself ‘Sp declared’ and everybody has to disconnect from him … and so on.

        • Stacy

          They do cover all their bases, don’t they? You can’t openly tell people you want to leave or are leaving. You can’t privately plot to leave either. You can only leave by going to the proper terminal with that info. But publicly leaving the cherch is also a crime. How, then, is a person supposed to leave?

          Supporters of the UN Declaration of Human Rights, my ass!

          • pluvo

            I did it the ‘proper’ way. It took over a year to get ‘released’. All that time I did manual labor and was under surveillance by security and cameras. You are considered to be a nuisance, an ‘ethics particle’.

            • Stacy

              I loathe CoS. Just glad you and everyone else who’s gotten out, HAVE gotten out, however you did it.

            • Mark Foster

              Or as Hubbard asserted, anyone who leaves the Sea Org is a ¨degraded being¨ and other Sea Org members regard you as such.

          • Mark Foster

            I was on staff. One day, I stopped going to work. I went back once, thinking I´d do the ¨leaving staff routing form¨. I went home and started reading and cross-referencing…and realized very quickly that I wanted nothing to do with this group or ¨the tech¨. The way to leave, for me, was to simply leave. As I have mentioned in other postings, reading this blog and a host of others, as well as reading a ton of books and legal documents, disabused me of the idea that there is anything innately good about the ¨philosophy¨ or the organization that promotes it. For me, the so-called ¨wins¨ and gains in Scientology were the cheese in the trap; reading what Jon Atack and Steve Hassan(among others) have written on the subject really helped me understand the larger con game that those enticements fit into. I remember reading the OT materials I downloaded from Wikileaks and laughing my ass off when I read the OT 3 materials…and feeling relieved. Eternity? Invader Forces? The balmy Van Allen Belt? Implant stations on other planets?OSA and its criminal activities, initiated and guided by Hubbard´s policies? Hubbard´s bullshit official biography? Wow! I learned more about the ACTUAL history of the cult in a few months than I had in my on-again-off-again 15 year involvement with the group. It´s been a sobering and life-altering lesson. I feel grateful to the people who have spoken out, all of them…but especially the ones who did so early on, long before the internet existed. All of them have contributed to a HUGE body of data that exists today and is available for perusal by those who are willing to pull the blinders off and LOOK at what Scientology actually is.

            • Missionary Kid

              The so-called ¨wins¨ and gains in Scientology were the cheese in the trap. THINGS SAID ABOUT $CIENTOLOGY & DIANETICS http://tonyortega.org/2014/06/12/more-proof-of-kerri-kasems-scientology-involvement-and-laura-prepon-lies-like-a-rug/#comment-1439059448

            • Stacy

              It’s so awesome that you got out. Can I ask, what made you not go to work that day?

              The sucky part is CoS left no legit way for you or others to leave; any way you do it, you lose good standing with them and that means disconnection. That’s what I meant about them not leaving members with any options. Damn cult!

              Thanks for sharing more of your story. The mountain of evidence proving CoS is an inhumane and degrading group of money-grubbing human traffickers grows daily. Hopefully it will eventually bury the organization.

            • Mark Foster

              To answer your question, Stacy:
              Fatigue was one factor. Shitty pay. The attitudes of some seniors. The D of P (Director of Processing), a so-called colleague, made a daily habit of either a)ignoring me,b) barely tolerating me, or c)being a snarky, condescending harpie. Tired of the rudeness,tired of the endless make-it-happen-now hamster-wheel, tired of listening to the auditors talk shit about their pc´s, tired of feeling totally overwhelmed and being mocked behind my back(I wanted to be a Dianetics auditor. I was made the DTS instead), tired of feeling insecure and taking shit and not standing up for myself and being complicit in the daily dramatization of the whole superior scientological viewpoint, which I could never fully get on board with…I decided that, maybe(duh!!!), I had better just STOP. I couldn´t sleep. I dreaded going in every morning. I just woke up and thought, ¨FUCK THIS! I AM TIRED, I AM SAD, I HAVE NO TIME FOR MUSIC…AND THESE PEOPLE DON´T GIVE A FLYING FUCK ABOUT ME. If I don´t do something different, I´m going nowhere but down. I didn´t answer my phone or the texts that day. People came by and knocked on the door and I didn´t answer. And…I fucking SLEPT!!! Glorious sleep. Thanks for asking.

            • Stacy

              I never get over these horrible stories of what daily life on staff or in the Sea Org is like. Work isn’t always a walk in the park, but I’ve yet to hear any ex-scientologist here at the Bunker tell a tale that didn’t involve exhaustion, horrible fellow staff/ supervisors, petty, gossipy and demeaning behavior and attitudes and often out-and-out criminality.

              The fact that you stuck it out for so long Mark, out of a desire to help, says a lot about you. That seems to be the way a lot of really good people get trapped. Again, I’m so glad you got out.

            • Mark Foster

              Director of Technical Services.

            • Lady Squash

              So that’s how they do it! That nice Director of Technical Services I’d go see after a session was just a bird dog for the registrars. A dime just dropped. It was so obvious. I just didn’t connect the dots. Thanks again.

            • Mark Foster

              If you had to put Scientology on Hubbard´s bullshit tone scale, it is consistently, hell, RABIDLY 1.1 ! 24-7 !

            • Bavarian Rage

              Again, amazing answer. Glad you had the presence of mind to recognize what was happening to you, to realize where it would lead, and do something to change your life outcome. Ironically in leaving you found the REAL Way to Happiness.

            • Mark Foster

              Word! Live life 🙂 And the scientology decontamination continues, with briskness and enthusiasm and moments of ¨what-the-fuck¨, but …I LOVE embracing the mystery and uncertainty and simplicity of being human and living with questions, as opposed to the whole scientological-forced-march-platitude-laden-super-expensive-acceptable-truth-manufacturing-uber-causative-homo-novus-certainty-about-and-solution-for-and-knowingness-about-every-motherfucking-thing-masters-of-the-universe BULLSHIT! Okay, ask me how I reeeeally feel ! 🙂

            • Lady Squash

              Again, beautiful, Mark. Really cool way to spell it out. Thanks. I really enjoyed reading that.

            • aquaclara

              Beautiful….and what a joyous story. Congratulations.
              Finding happiness sometimes just starts by allowing your mind to relax and think.

              Fence-lurkers, today is a terrific day to reclaim your life, just like Mark, and Claire and Marc and Sam, and Dodo, and so many others here.

            • Mark Foster

              Thank you…I am lucky. Others had horrific experiences. By the way, the thing that really hit me about the protest videos was the protesters´ loopy humor and the genuine concern for those Sea Org slaves. There was something that I-Betty said that would´ve really hit me when I was in the bubble: ¨We´re not your enemies.¨ And then she offered to share fresh-squeezed orange juice and decent food with them. If she had caught me on one of my rough staff days, I would have DEFINITELY left with her . As Tory says, you never know when a comment of yours will bring some color into the greyness of a scilon´s Truman Show and open his/her mind to the possibility that slavery is definitely NOT freedom….

            • pronoia

              So interesting. It is rare that we get to hear how the protests impact the people who are “in.” There was a momentary fleeting look of longing on one of the guys faces when Betty said that about the bacon sandwich and the fresh squeezed orange juice. I really felt like it was the only thing that had been said all morning that made any sense to him.

            • Mark Foster

              Yes, exactly! Good observation. I really empathized with those haggard looking S.O. guys. That look of longing, yes…

            • Joe Hurtado

              tired of feeling insecure and taking shit and not standing up for myself and being complicit in the daily dramatization of the whole superior scientological viewpoint

              That is what they trust most would experience and will feel without compunction as they abuse and abuse and abuse. If this doesn’t say it, I don’t know what will. You trusted your instincts, Mark, and you were better off for it and told them as such. They trust that the abused masses won’t do jack shit.

              It’s so unbearably sad to read about teens nearly eviscerated when they resist Sea Org. And now they are preying on new immigrants? Amerika, such a land of promise.

            • Lady Squash

              Beautiful. Everything you mentioned, I experienced. But I made excuses. You left. Smart move.

            • Mark Foster

              As long as you are breathing, it´s never too late to change…Glad you got out. Carpe Diem 🙂

            • grundoon

              VVWD, Mark!

            • Why do you think some people still reject the stuff that you describe reading as lies, or refuse to even look at it?

              It seems to me that there must be some reason individuals ‘take the plunge’, go online, and start reading material that they had previously ignored. I suspect that they first have to become disillusioned for other reasons (e.g being treated badly, or realising that they had gained nothing for Scientology practice).

              In other words, for you, what was the straw that broke the camels back?

            • Mark Foster

              Thanks for asking. I answered above. 🙂 I´m so glad I left. Every single day, I feel grateful.

            • Bavarian Rage

              Amazing post, Mark Foster. Thanks for sharing. I always appreciate what you have to say.

            • Mark Foster

              sincere thanks…and my wife speaks a little Bavarian, too(German fluently)… 🙂

            • Bavarian Rage

              Alas, though Dad is German, I can only count to five. On the bright side, my husband thinks I can “get fired up” like nobody’s business – hence his affectionate term for me. 😉 (huge exaggeration on his part though…really, the odd rant you’ve likely already seen on here is as bad as it gets.) I prefer to think of it as expressing my views passionately.

            • daytoncapri

              Mark- simply stunning post. You have seen and done so much, and you have explained so well in your posts. As I read your post above, it looks to me that a line was crossed, you went over a threshold of what you would tolerate, had an epiphany or aha experience, and suddenly, your mind changed, and you knew you weren’t in anymore. Is it fair to put it that way? When you finally decided, was it as abrupt as throwing a switch?

            • Mark Foster

              Thanks, DC ! So…2 parts: Number one, blowing staff. Yes, that was a switch being thrown. After a few days, I knew I wouldn´t go back on staff. After a few weeks, I knew that I wasn´t going to bother with routing out or doing courses. I was also dealing with my mother´s cancer, and I was the primary care-giver(she pulled through and is cancer-free), so I was hunkered down with her(and that was also a wild ride, but I digress)…I started reading for hours a day and …well, with everything going on, and the bitch-slap reality-check of the data I was absorbing…I realized that I had been in a cult.
              Number two: The complete , emphatic recognition that I am not only OUT of this group, but that I oppose the policies, actions, and philosophy of it, took months. The recognition that I was still dealing with some scientolgy-induced emotional scars took about 2 years, but I think the delayed recognition was connected to dealing with my mother´s illness and putting some of my issues on the back-burner while I did so.

            • daytoncapri

              Great Mark!

              Another question, and correct me if I over-simplify. Your way out was in two phases, 1) the switch was thrown. and 2) then a longer process of peeling (scraping?) off the layers during and after dealing with your Mom’s cancer (glad she pulled through).

              Now, here’s my second question. How did you go about making the conscious choice to allow yourself to o out even further and read the upper-level SCN bullshit? You were educated to not dare do such a thing, right? Was there hesitation? How hard was this decision?

              Question three: You were on your own when you blew. Sounds like it could be lonely or at least disorienting. Was there much help or encouragement after you escaped the “valence” of the Scino folks?

              Guess that’s enough questions and btw, . . Bravo!

            • Mark Foster

              Peeling, scraping, belching, screaming, laughing-yeah:)
              After reading A Piece of Blue Sky(both editions) and Bare-Faced Messiah and a bunch of other books and blogs, I decided that I would read that material. Yes, I was educated not to do that. I did it anyway. When I did, I was far enough along in my wake-up process to realize that I needed to divest myself of the lies I had bought into. I needed to rehabilitate my critical thinking ability. I needed data.
              Regarding being alone when I blew….Well, yes and no. I didn´t really have anyone to talk with, but I DID have the stories of others to read. Tons of stories. I was BLOWN AWAY by the sheer number of ex-scientologist stories, and I drew strength from them, smiled in empathy with their emotional dramas and absorbed survival strategies and inspiring ideas from them. I had music to play and to teach. I had comedy to watch, which I used very consciously to loosen the grip of the scientological bullshit on my emotional expression.
              The encouragement came in a very understated, natural way. It came, first, from myself: I slept. I made a point of taking the time to go to a sweet coffee shop in the neighborhood often to read and people-watch…or to simply do nothing, which was a wonderful antidote to all of the alarmist-hill-10-stat-grabbing-world-saving HORSESHIT I had been drowning in as a staff member. It came from extraordinary conversations with complete strangers. It came from nature. It came from friends who knew little or nothing about my scientology involvement.

            • HappypantsDance

              I’m late to this convo, Mark, but still, I want to thank you for sharing your story. I’m so glad you’re out, well, and taking in everything that makes life worth living. Comedy, music, and tasty coffee certainly help me 🙂 Virtual hugs to you!

            • Mark Foster

              Sincerely appreciated! Thank you 🙂

            • HappypantsDance

              We out here DO care very much. We wouldn’t do all that we do if we didn’t. (((hugs)))

        • It […] takes an effort as well to suppress the thought about leaving, as this thoughts mostly comes up in the ‘security checks’

          This raises a question that I have always wondered about.
          Your thoughts are private. You do not have to suppress them as much as prevent others from forcing you to tell them what you thinking.

          In the Sea Org, informers can single out people who seem to be losing faith and management can subject these unfortunates to aggressive interrogation.

          It’s hardly surprising that many victims should ‘confess’ and conform. It is hard enough to stand up to that sort of pressure at the best of times, let alone in the conditions of social isolation that obtain within the Sea Org.

          However, there is another element in this situation – the use of the e-meter during ‘sec checks’.

          If people really believe that the e-meter can reveal their innermost thoughts, they must also believe that they have nowhere to hide- that even their innermost thoughts are not private.

          If you have been deceived into thinking that the e-meter actually works, the best that you think you can do for yourself is to try and suppress your doubts in order to survive. You would not dare plan an escape for fear of being interviewed while ‘holding the cans’.

          Even though the meter does not work, the fear of it does.

          I wonder what proportion of Sea Org members who desperately want to leave are kept under control because they think that the e-meter can detect their ‘disloyal’ thoughts.

          • pluvo

            Yes. But the e-meter doesn’t disclose your thoughts per se. It just shows different reactions on the dial. The auditor is trained to get you to ‘spill the beans’. He is actually trained to help you to relieve more or less traumatic incidents, similar as when a psychologist would ask you to tell him about bad experiences. The “tell me about” (in
            general) can be quite therapeutic. Or for example, from confessionals, like in the catholic church, people can have benefits from. But these trained auditors are also sec checkers.
            And everything in the world can be misused (example: You can use a hammer to build a house or when you are malicious to kill sb with it; as with man things).
            And in the Co$ it is getting misused big time.

            Karen explained ‘the culture of snitching’ excellently in this video:
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Pb_HTvRMI8

            • With respect, I don’t think that the movements of an e-meter needle reveal anything significant about mental states. All it measures is skin resistance (and doesn’t do that very well).

              ‘Reading’ an e-meter seems to be like seeing the shapes of animals in clouds. For example, when the auditor/sec checker knows, unconsciously, that the person in front of them is nervous:

              1) The auditor will looks at the movements of the needle, see the patterns that he expects to see, from a nervous person.
              2) When the person being audited is told that they are nervous, they (understandably) become nervous – even if they weren’t before. A self-fulfilling prophesy.

              At best (as in well-meant auditing) what is really happening is that two people are reading each others emotional states, and reacting to each other, in the same way as people do everywhere, every day.
              At worst (as in a sec-check) any meter readings that occur will be used to justify the proceedings of a show trial, whose verdict is a forgone conclusion.

              In practice, auditing and sec checking seem to be a variation on the illusionists technique of cold reading. They cannot reveal anything unless the person holding the cans plays a game of “20 questions” with the auditor. The e-meter’s only function is to lend (pseudo)scientific credibility to this process.

            • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

              I have heard varying reports, even varying reports from the same person. I would love to think that it is a huge pile of doo-doo like everything else in the cult. I suspect that at best, it is a medium sized pile of doo-doo that does do something at the time beyond convincing both the auditor sucker and the pre clear sucker that they are not suckers. But I have spent very little time on an e-meter and I really am relying on the authority of others.

              Do you have experience at either end of the e-meter, to the point where you feel fairly confident of your statements or I you trying, like me, to come to grips with it?

            • No – I have no experience with using the e-meter, however, I don’t think you have to – any more than you have to jump of a window to prove that people can’t fly.

              Extraordinary claims are made for using the e-meter as part of Scientology by the CofS. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence – the burden of proof is with the CofS. In other words, it is up to Scientology to prove that auditing is not a pile a doo-doo, and there is no reason for you to take it seriously until they do.

              Scientology provides no reliable evidence for its claims, and its ‘theory’ makes no scientific sense. They have failed to do this. Without a compelling theory and good evidence to support it the e-meter is no more worth investigation than any number of similarly weak fringe ideas – like astrology, or homoeopathy, or Orgone theory.

              The specific reasons why I reject their claims are as follows:

              1) I know something about the simple electronic circuit which the CofS’s own patent documents show to be inside an emeter. It’s a Wheatstone bridge, and it is only good for measuring Galvanic Skin Response (GSR) – the tendency for the fine sweat glands in your hands to increase their output when you are stimulated.

              There is no plausible mechanism for this circuit to do the things that are claimed for it. The ‘theory’ that is offered by Hubbard is nonsensical. We are asked to believe that thoughts have mass, and changes in this mass can be detected by a simple electrical designed to measure resistance. How doe these things happen, and where is the evidence for them?

              2) The only place I could gain this experience is in Scientology. Why is
              this? If the e-meter works so well, why is it not used in scientific
              medicine, or by the police in interrogations?

              Bearing this in mind, it seems to me that the experiences which Scientologists report are best explained by social-psychological manipulation. The explanations that are offered by Scientology (e.g. ‘space opera’ previous lives) are implausible at best, incoherent at worst.

              3) It should be possible for a trained person to demonstrate the capabilities of the e-meter in a proper, double-blind experiment. As far as I am aware nobody ever has ever done this. The only phenomenon that it seems to produce is questionable ‘wins’. These can only be understood in terms of Scientology, and are not scientifically testable.

              4) If the e-meter is so powerful, why has scientific medicine never picked up on it, after all these years? Why did psychoanalysts reject GSR meters back in the 1930s after finding that they revealed nothing that they could not learn simply by talking to their patients.

            • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

              Thanks for your long and well thought out explanation. I am embarrassed not to be giving an equally long response. Let’s just say it has been a long day. I am beat and there are still a couple things I have to do.

              Your comments are very convincing, especially numbers 3 and 4.

              Once, when I suggested that the e-meters answers were ambiguous I got a response from a very well meaning critic saying that it wasn’t so. I didn’t take his word for it but it kept me with an open mind. Another critic, not here but on the Toronto scene, told me (without irony) that using it was Hubbard’s greatest contribution to mental health. Another person, a one time class who-knows-what auditor who no long believed that auditing does any more than mid-20th Century psychotherapy told me that the information from the e-meter was certainly not ambiguous. These are all from people who loathe Sceintology and have much more experience with auditing than I do.

              The next time the situation comes up, and there will be a next time, I will be ready with the information from your note. Thanks again.

            • Stacy

              For those of you who still think the e-meter can indicate when you’re hiding something (or whatever the damn thing is actually supposed to do), please consider this: people are convinced about the e-meter because LRH claimed it was scientific and tested scientifically. It wasn’t. And many equate it with a polygraph test. Well, polygraph testing is as hotly debated in science as the e-meter is here. Despite its prominence in cop dramas, there are more states don’t allow polygraph tests into court trials than states that do (does Great Britain consider polygraph tests as admissible evidence? I can’t remember). There are many legal and scientific experts who consider the polygraph to be nothing but junk science. And if the polygraph is junk science, what does that make the e-meter?

              The e-meter seems to me to be nothing more than another control measure LRH put in place to control his followers with. I’m sorry.

            • Polygraphs never caught on in the UK, and are not admissible as evidence of anything.

              I compared the polygraph with the original e-meter (developed by a man called Volney Mathison, and later plagiarised by Hubbard) here http://scicrit.wordpress.com/2014/07/06/the-story-of-the-e-meter-part-4-could-mathisons-e-meter-ever-have-worked/ and came to the same conclusion.

              This post includes a link to a programme by Pen and Teller, who comprehensively demolished the credibility of polygraph operators.

            • Stacy

              The UK tends to be much further ahead than the US in its criminal justice practices. Sigh.

              Thanks for the link Once Born.

            • Stacy

              I love that you used the ice cream/ drowning correlation. We use a similar one for explaining the difference between correlation and causation: ice cream and homicide.

            • Lady Squash

              I was in for thirty years and believed that the emeter worked and was scientific. While I believed it worked, I discovered many interesting things in my “reactive mind” in session and felt relief afterwards. (I have a very different view of auditing now. Now I believe it is a form of de-patterning that produces a momentary euphoric feeling. What you remember is the euphoria and you want more. It’s actually very clever in a diabolical sort of way.)

              But I digress. At some point, I decided to try and and see if I could fool the emeter and to my surprise, I could. I was so brain washed at the time, that instead of saying to myself “see, it’s bunk”, I said “see,I really am cause over matter, energy, space and time”.

              I wanted Scientology to be true very badly. I was like Peter Pan for many years–“Dreams do come true, if only we wish hard enough. You can have anything in life if you will sacrifice everything else for it.” ― J.M. Barrie, Peter Pan

              Oh well.

            • Stacy

              Thanks for the reply Lady Squash. It’s interesting that you not only were able to fool the e-meter, but also how you justified it to yourself. What did you do to fool the e-meter?

            • Lady Squash

              You’re not a plant are you? The paranoia never stops, sorry.
              It’s hard to explain how I “fooled the e-meter” and it is speculative on my part. I felt I had fooled it. I’ll give you two examples.
              There were times in session (before I was disillusioned) that I decided I’d had enough of a particular process. I “decided” to F/N (floating needle) and the auditor would say “Your needle is floating”. If your needle floats, your session is over. Did I fool the emeter? Well, it felt that way.
              And then there were security checks. I was asked the question: “Are you connected to anyone antagonist to Scientology.”
              My thought was, “None of your God-damned business.” If I had taken the question seriously and thought about it. something would have read. But I didn’t go there and the meter didn’t react.
              In my opinion, the meter only works if you agree to let it work. In the security check scenario, I was sufficiently disillusioned that I did not turn my power over to them. I knew their intentions were not good.
              I hope that answers your question. It’s complicated. I still believe the meter might have some useful applications. But it would be almost impossible to test because you would have to buy into the whole system in order to test it. And if you bought into the whole system you would lose your objectivity.

            • Stacy

              Thanks for the reply. I agree with you that belief in the e-meter is part of what makes it “work” on scientologists. I was just curious if you’d made use of deep breathing or something to remain calm vs. getting nervous or panicked over being asked questions in a sec check that you didn’t want to answer.

              Am I a plant? LOL! I’m so blazingly direct in my questions I’d never make it in intelligence. Obviously, I have no way to prove this though.

            • Lady Squash

              After I asked if you were a plant, I felt foolish and wanted to take it back, but I had already pushed the “post” button. I am glad it gave you a laugh.
              I hope I didn’t disappoint you that there was no trick. It was just a change of heart as to whether I owed them the truth. It was quite interesting to me that that worked–the Buddha feat of detachment. Thank you for your interest in Scientology. The more the truth gets out there, the better it will be.

            • Stacy

              I agree. Let’s get the truth out there. And thanks for your honest reply. Also, if anyone has the right to worry about trolls, it’s ex-scientologists. You guys actually experience the weird conspiracies that the tin foil hat brigade insists are real. Never would’ve believed that was possible until I started reading on CoS. I think it’s smart to retain some of that concern.

            • Lady Squash

              God bless, Stacy. Thank you for understanding. It’s been a weird ride and never in my wildest imagination did I think I’d get involved in a sinister organization like the one Scientology turned out to be. I still can’t believe it and I was there.

            • Stacy

              I bet it’s been a weird ride! Hang in there!

            • Stacy

              An experimental study would need to be set up to study the e-meter, to see what, if anything, it actually measures. Conducted in a clinical setting. And then replicated.

              Has anyone ever challenged LRH’s interpretation of how to read the e-meter? Offered a countering opinion as to what the varying needle movements mean? Or do even the indie groups still read the e-meter exactly the way LRH explained it so long ago?

            • Mark Foster

              Stacy, I say…open the window, throw the e-meter out and, as it smahes into bits on the concrete, proudly say, ¨Golly gee, that´s gravity for ya!¨ That would be a better use of your time. Of course, this is my utterly unscientific, biased opinion 🙂

            • Stacy

              After 15 years, I say you’re entitled to your biased opinion

            • mimsey borogrove

              If you have interest in how a meter works, and what it is actually reacting to when the needle reads – go to Just Bill’s blog: the real ask the scientologist – he has two part article on it that is unbiased and accurate ( among many other great gems about the inner workings of scientology.) Mimsey

            • Lady Squash

              I love “Just Bill” blog. His posts are spot on, intelligent and insightful. I recommend them highly.

            • Stacy

              Thanks. I’ll check out this site shortly. I appreciate the response.

            • Upon reflection, a scientific study would be dogged by the fact that the theory which underlies the claims made for it (Scientology) is pseudo-scientific.

              Scientologists will tell you that thought has mass, and the e-meter can measure the ‘charge’ that results from this. Scientists can only respond that that this theory is unsupported nonsense, and there is not way of testing it.

              In the end, we already know everything we need to know about it – it is an very inaccurate way of measuring Galvanic Skin Response (the custom designed meter movement is undamped, which introduces all kinds of spurious ‘reads’).

              It’s a prop, used to support a system of social-psychological manipulation. If you want to understand the claims made for the e-meter, you need to examine this system, not the device itself.

            • Stacy

              Excellent points. Tautology aside, it might be beneficial to do a study, if only to provide on-the-fence followers with evidence that it’s nothing but junk science.

            • Two scientificstudies, which date from the early days of Dianetics, already exist (links below).

              One falsified the theoretical foundation of Dianetics and Scientology (Hubbards’ idea of ‘Engrams’). The other found that practising Dianetic ‘techniques’ did not provide any practical benefit.

              http://scicrit.wordpress.com/2014/04/01/an-experimental-investigation-of-hubbards-engram-hypothesis-dianetics/

              http://scicrit.wordpress.com/2014/01/08/436/

              At this time Hubbard claimed Dianetics was an exact science, and people were recruited by telling them that could become prestigious researchers at the cutting edge of (pseudo) medical research.

              Soon Hubbard changed tack (eventually adopting the cover of ‘religion’) because:

              1) Every honest experimental test turned out negative

              2) If people participated in Dianetic ‘research’, there was the potential for them to become popular and pose a threat to Hubbards’ absolute power.

              After this change came about, it was impossible for scientific researchers to put Dianetics and Scientology to a fair test because the ‘Church’ would not co-operate.

              Besides, by this time Science had lost interest, and filed Dianetics in the same bulging drawer as astrology, phrenology and phlogiston theory.

            • Stacy

              Thanks. I was aware of challenges from MHP’s, but not that actual studies were done. And I knew about the Clear debacle. I just need more time in my days to be able to check out all the CoS stuff that’s out there.

        • Missionary Kid

          To summarize the policies: DON’T EVEN THINK ABOUT IT, let along tell anyone.

        • carpe canem

          Scientology Policies have a lot in common with Cutthroat High School Mean Girl Bully Bitch Clique Policies. Thank God I finished high school a long, long time before the advent of “social media.” The grapevine was deadly enough back in those days.

    • joan nieman

      Claire and Karen you are both heroes in your determination to leave the threatening menace of an evil cult. Thank you for your stories.

    • Annabelle

      I admire anyone who can get out of an abusive, controlling situation. Yes freedom from this type of relationship is exhilarating. All of life’s problem that come with that freedom are welcomed. Getting a job, putting food on the table, finding friends and good times are an adventure.
      Thank you Claire. Your story of breaking free helps many.

    • Guest

      Here’s part 5 of my 10 part series on my escape. Sorry it wasn’t from the Sea Org…but it sure meant a lot to me… and later many others, too. 🙂 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9U33J6EjIcI 🙂

    • Tory Christman

      “Heber is stuck in the prison, imprisoned in his mind, and physically ~~ well he has spent 7 years in SP Hole.
      While I am a free spirit”…………………EXCELLENT Points! If you’re “in” and lurking and see this, plz read it again and again. If you still don’t get it, CLEAR YOUR WORDS! Heber is in the HOLE, Karen is Free. Clear “hole” and “freedom”…and if you still need to, clear up “I am” 🙂 Great interview!

    • Asbestos Inspector

      These stories of escape never cease to amaze me. They must know how much the cult sucks if they need to put a personal guard on everyone when they go out for a doctor’s appointment or something similar. It is heart-wrenching to listen to. Cheers to everyone who has made it out from this human-rights abomination!

    • Pepper

      Thank you for your story Karen. We all love the Sea Org escape stories. So riveting and informative about the inside of the inner cult – the SO.

      These stories are also great because they inform people what they are getting into if they are considering joining Scn or the SO or know someone who is.

    • Zana

      What a beautiful photo!

  • DodoTheLaser

    I just have to say it – Vance Woodward has titanium balls.

    • Chee Chalker

      That must make air travel a nightmare, what with security, metal detectors, etc. 🙂

      • 3feetback-of-COS

        Just imagine the pat-down!

        • Verve

          clank, clank.
          (sorry)

  • Still_On_Your_Side

    Motions for Reconsideration are rarely granted in most courts, but California may have a different standard in its state courts. I hope it does. Vance’s motion is compelling and focused. At the very least, the court should allow him to amend his complaint. The Anti-SLAPP laws were not written to allow the Church of Scientology to escape the refund requirements of its tax exempt status. Vance’s case deserves to be litigated.

    • Stacy

      Doesn’t the fact that Vance has a Jan. 7, 2015 court date indicate the court is planning on hearing his motion to reconsider?

      • Still_On_Your_Side

        Stacy, he set the motion for a hearing which the rules of this court appear to allow. If the court does hold a hearing, that does not mean it will grant Vance’s motion.

        • Stacy

          Thanks for the clarification. I really appreciate it.

    • TX Lawyer

      Reconsideration is an uphill battle. Vance’s brief is compelling, but he’s asking a judge who ruled against him already to change his mind on pretty much the same set of facts and circumstances. I’d guess he’s more than likely going to have to take it up to the appellate courts instead.

      • Gerard Plourde

        I don’t do much litigation, so I don’t know this off the top of my head, but isn’t it a requirement (or at least expected) to file a motion for reconsideration with the trial judge before filing an appeal?

        • TX Lawyer

          Rules vary from state to state, and I can’t speak as to California procedure. This motion does not read like an error-preservation document, however.

      • Chee Chalker

        Could Vance scrap the whole thing and refile under the guidelines the court gave him? Or is he up against a statute of limitations issue? I skimmed his original pleading a while ago, so I don’t remember much of it, but if memory serves, it did seem to be a little ‘off’ in that it kept wandering into the vagaries of Scientology practices and I kept having to look for the cause of action. But as I said, it was so long ago I don’t really remember much of it.

        • TX Lawyer

          He’s already asking for permission to file an amended complaint as part of the motion for reconsideration, but the court would have to grant him that permission. I do not believe he could simply file a new lawsuit because of res judicata — the principle that once a case has been decided on the merits (which this one has thanks to the anti-SLAPP ruling) that’s it, and it can’t be re-litigated.

          • Chee Chalker

            Thank you for your answer. I guess I will have to read the first case and this motion as well. When I read it the first time (skimmed it really) I thought that it read more like a Scientologist had written it than an attorney. I remember thinking that it seemed a bit off, not written to persuade as much as to expose the insanity of the Co$, except that the writer was part of the insanity. (Not to dump on Vance, it was just not written in the legalese I am used to, which could be a good thing). I’m not explaining myself clearly so I will stop only to say that I agree with the judge (from what I read in Tony’s summation) that the case was more about the insanity than any specific cause of action.

            I was under the impression that Vance had not made any specific arguments re: fraud and therefore would not be barred from refiling (because of res judicata). Specific like the Garcias (we were asked to donate specifically to buy a church bell, then we found out 10 other people were asked to buy the same church bell).

            I stopped reading Marty’s blog (until yesterday’s entry, which was great!) for the same reasons. I just don’t have the patience to wade through the LRH pyscho babble. Even though Marty claims to no longer be a Scientologist (I think he is splitting hairs, but that is a discussion for another day) he still writes very much like a Scientologist. It’s also the reason I love Rinder’s blog….he’s all about exposing the fraud.

            • TX Lawyer

              Talking about the craziness of Scientology refund procedures and the arbitration policy makes perfect sense in the context of opposing a motion to compel arbitration. Vance’s argument here is that they switched arguments on him at the last minute, pointing to all the religious stuff in his arbitration briefing as proof that it was really a religious dispute entitled to anti-SLAPP protections. And of course, that turned out to be a pretty effective piece of jiu jitsu.

            • Anonymous

              “… that turned out to be a pretty effective piece of jiu jitsu…”

              And is is the EXACT action that I was expecting and have been advising anyone that cared to listen to avoid…namely…to the maximum degree possible, do not engage the Church in any court on matters that can later be declared religious…even when the church brings up those matters in an effort to lure one into quicksand.

              Stick to secular matters, frame all arguments on secular precedent and study up on the history of the church’s unsuccessful attempts (prior to 1993) to regain tax exemption after it was taken away in 1968.

              Read the entire findings of fact and the admonishments to the church in the Tax Court / appeals cases of 1968 through the early 1990’s.

              Understand where Scientology has already been warned by the Tax Court against conduct that is prohibited, regardless of tax exempt status or not. Avoid those areas where the church has (so far) been successful hiding behind it’s religious bona fides.

              The church via it’s actions (not it’s beliefs) is engaged in willful fraud and has been for more than a decade. That makes what they are doing racketeering. That is where they are vulnerable in civil (and eventually) criminal courts. IMHO.

              EDIT to add: Homework for those that are interested:

              http://www.irs.gov/irm/part9/irm_09-001-003.html

              http://www.supremelaw.org/decs/agency/civil.rico.htm

              http://www.justice.gov/usao/eousa/foia_reading_room/usam/title9/rico.pdf

              http://www.justice.gov/crt/about/crm/241fin.php

            • Chee Chalker

              I haven’t read this latest motion and.only skimmed the original, so my comments were directed just as the original. I’ll have to take another look at it but with a large cup of coffee because my eyes glaze over. Same thing happened when I read some of Vance’s explanations of Dianetics….. It never ceases to amaze me when I hear about attorneys and doctors who are in the Co$…..not that attorneys and doctors have any more common sense, but I would hope they would be a little more suspicious…

    • Robert Eckert

      It does not matter what the supposed legal standards are in California. Most of the judges decide the cases based on which side has more money, and when that kind of a decision has been made any further attempts to pursue the matter is futile.

      • HillieOnTheBeach

        That’s a pretty unilaterally cynical view, Robert, though not entirely undeserved. However, I agree that as far as the cos is concerned, judges seem to give it extraordinary latitude and absurd levels of benefit of the doubt.

        Vance cites it well in his motion above, it’s in reference to the anti-slapp statute but I think it represents overall how judges disappointingly tend to trip over the carpet flowers in lawsuits involving scientology:

        “… must be given a reasonable, commonsense meaning, one that is practical (not technical) which upon application will result in attaining the legislative goal, rather than creating mischief or absurdity.”

        • Robert Eckert

          It was simply my experience with the California courts.

  • You know, in other countries the basic stuff for sale has been found to be not worth the money and full refunds issued. (Re the Paris trial : http://infinitecomplacency.blogspot.com/2013/11/the-paris-trial-coverage-2009-2013.html )

    But regardless of that. The criminal organisation known as the “church” of $cientolgy encourages its victims to deposit moneys for later use. How this money “on account” – unspent on stuff, religious or otherwise – got to be a “religious” issue is beyond me….

    • HappypantsDance

      Equating “fees” with “donations” still boggles my brain. The chult uses them interchangeably. They’re simply not the same.

      • Frodis73

        Chult? Love it & can’t believe this is the first time I have heard it. Snickersnort for sure!

        • HappypantsDance

          Ha, thanks. I’m sure I read it somewhere. I love portmanteaux, esp. when they’re funny! Like chult. And spork. 🙂

          • Frodis73

            “Sporks for world peace” was a joke between a small circle of my college friends; it’s one of my fav words.Lol.

            • HappypantsDance

              Sporks for world peace! I LOVE it! You’re my kind of people 🙂

      • ze moo

        Until the IAS, it was always desert topping. Now they try to be both and fail at either.

      • “donations” complete with price lists, their own private financial service (“payments on account”) and with discounts. (The financial services in some places augmented by staff able to train in the subtle art of obtaining bank loans by deception.)

        Yup, purely religious. If one worships money…

      • Missionary Kid
  • Bob

    Claire’s story is compelling. When one is in this cult for so long the relief has to be tangible. It would be equivalent to escaping out of nazi Germany in the late thirties. Once you recognize the insanity that exists 24/7, it’s like being in the Invasion Of the Body Snatchers movie and escaping is a nightmare. Fortunately there are less seasoned staff and less staff in general. So escape is probably somewhat simpler now. At the time though it was obviously harrowing for Claire. Thanks Claire for giving us your experience.
    The hypocrisy of the cherchs two faced support of human rights is ludicrous.
    After hearing Claire’s story and Marty’s current run in with the Zombie execs I think the cherch deserves a new name.

    SICKPUPPYTOLOGY.

  • George Layton

    Does scientology still have people “stealing copy paper” from law offices?

    • Missionary Kid

      Probably.

  • Narapoid

    She and Marc “escaped” from Scientology.

    Scientology is associated with terms like “blow drill” and I “escaped out”. Even public people (Tory Christman) in a high post are tracked down (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cMPPEWT4GQ). The cult makes new staff sign “non-disparagement” clauses and squeal to the sky when they feel even slightly wronged. Yet feel fully justified to commit felonies (kidnapping).

    Dave, that could be the next legal bomb that blows around you: Felony Kidnapping.

    • HappypantsDance

      I have a dream that the FBI shows up at Hemet, Flag, etc., and with a SWAT team or something, tells people there that if they want to leave, they’re free to go; the FBI will ensure they’re not followed and harassed.

      FBI, please, in the name of all that’s good, RESCUE THESE PEOPLE! These people are held prisoner on US soil. They are not staying willingly. How many escape stories does it take?

      • Barbara Angel

        My guess is: The cost of leaving may be to high for many of them. Loss of family, loss of friends, loss of knowing what to do in the wog world, the brain washing, the fears fed to them, the free-loader bill, making a living with little to no skills or confidence to make it in the real world. It’s all they know so many of them would stay. It takes tremendous courage to leave.
        Sad huh………. but a great idea for those that are truly desperate to get out and *brave enough* like the Headley’s to actually do it.

        • HappypantsDance

          Oh yeah, I know some stay because they’ve been told the world out here is worse, and of course they’ll be leaving with nothing and think they’ve nowhere to go. That itself is heartbreaking! I was only referring to those who want to leave but can’t figure out how or fear they’ll just be dragged back (which some definitely have been). The young people raised in Co$ and in the SO, their plight gets to me more than any others.

      • shasha40

        Already been tried . Brainwashed that they must stay to save their immortality . so sad

      • Narapoid

        Oh, Happy Pants, if were that easy. Jeff Hawkins, one of the exes that I follow, said that if the FBI had come to him immediately after an attack and said “come with us to freedom” that he would’ve said he was happy where he was. He would have protected the cult.

        I think that is why part of Lawrence Wright’s title is “the prison of the mind”. BUT, the human trafficking division could do a lot of good… An escape takes planning.

    • Richard Grant

      Good Lord, what a powerful series of videos. I’ve seen a lot of Tory vids before but these are eye-opening. Thanks for posting the link.

      • Mark Foster

        Utterly agree. I hadn´t watched them before. Amazing.

  • Stacy

    I have so much respect for the Headley’s. They managed to escape together, and so many CoS escape stories that involve people who found and married spouses in the Sea Org end in divorce and spite. The both seem like very strong-willed people. I’m so happy for them. And, they didn’t forget their dog!

    • shasha40

      Me , too! They showed the power of Love Is greater than the sooper powerz of OT 8 and beyond ! Now they have true freedom and beautiful children , one of the best revenges ever !!! Much continued luck, Mark and Claire !

  • BosonStark

    In listening to Claire’s story, I understand how the family issues change the whole thing, but I still think it would be great if a person who has escaped could tell the people charged with contacting her: “It’s great out here being free in the wog world, and I’m with my husband, which to me is more important than being in a cult. I’m sorry I spent so much time in the prison of Scientology, but after all, I grew up in it and didn’t know anything else.”

    Instead, the person inside only hears an escapee who is guarded in what they say, or matter-of-fact about the issues at hand, because after all, the escapee doesn’t want to antagonize them by saying anything that will get back to Miscavige, where they will seek revenge on remaining family or friends still in the cult.

    Minor point, but I wonder what became of the Sea Org member who lost Claire at Walmart. These people are so used to following procedure, even though Claire was an escape risk, she just couldn’t believe Claire would lie to her. That part shows the vulnerability in being a robot.

  • Totally Tone 1.1

    I am in awe of Claire’s escape story. I felt an adrenaline rush as she described how she made it out of Walmart to Las Vegas, so she must be one tough customer in real life. Thank you, Claire, for sharing your traumatic story with the world. It can’t be easy for you to relieve the complete insanity of what you endured. And thanks to Jeffrey and Karen for preserving these stories.

  • Eivol Ekdal

    Tweet…

  • Panopea Abrupta

    The Definitely Mediocre Diminutive Minotaur, His Dark Malevolence Dipshit Miniscule, our Daft Moron Declining Microman dropped this pearl at the IAS Gala:

    Scientology is “the only movement transcending every national, cultural
    and demographic barrier… and that’s not even counting what we transcend
    in terms of physical universe space and time.”

    He spoke the truth! Shock, horror!
    This movement does indeed transcend national, cultural and demographic barriers.
    In every nation where it has ever reared it’s ugly head and opened it’s foul gaping maw and even on the high seas in international waters, it has always and without fail consistently lied to and defrauded the poor saps who made the disastrous decision to look to it for help.
    It will bankrupt you, regardless of your passport (which it will hold in “safe keeping” for you.)
    Cultural barriers? It has been a bastion of racism and homophobia since inception. These core values are enshrined in the words of it’s founder, Lord Hubris of Tilden, the Montana Mountebank whose idiotic utterances can never be amended.
    Demographic barriers? From conception to the grave it will hound you.
    Silent birth followed by barley water instead of breastfeeding.
    Child-auditing and Old Mother Hubbard’s study “tech” in $cientology “schools.”
    Billion year contracts and abortions.
    A “Bridge” that resembles a life-long hamster wheel and Niacin-overdoses to hasten the end.
    And disconnection and fair-game to keep you on the Kool-Aid.
    Thrown to the pavement if you get poor, sick or old and useless to them.
    Mercilessly regged if you still have money.

    “… and that’s not even counting what we transcend
    in terms of physical universe space and time.”

    Dildo Dave, you can’t even transcend your volatility or your violence.
    You can’t transcend your galloping sociopathy or your arrogant narcissism.
    And one day, soon, you will not be able to transcend the consequences of your decades-long spree of lies, beatings, human trafficking, inurement and abject disregard for decency and humanity.

    • Barbara Angel

      Nor can he transcend his insatiable Lust for money. Oh what a sick fucker and a what a dangerous, dangerous criminal cult, it is. Scary stuff and not over yet.

    • Elar Aitch

      Thus spoke Panopea Abrupta 🙂

      • 0tessa

        Our Zarathrustra …

        • Panopea Abrupta

          You remind me of the graffiti on a lavatory wall in London:

          God is dead signed Nietzsche

          beneath which some wag had written:

          Nietzsche is dead signed God

          • joan nieman

            Love it!

          • Robert Eckert

            Nietzsche is God signed The Dead

        • richelieu jr

          Jerry is dead. The Dead are dead……. God.

    • Mark Foster

      This, 47x! Passionately Eloquent.
      After listening to the Claire Headley interview and before diving into the Woodward motion, my sentiments are expressed more crudely and profanely:
      FUCK MISCAVIGE AND FUCK OSA! Ahhhhh…there, I feel better now.

      • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

        Great word when used appropriately!

      • shasha40

        I concur , Fuck you Tiny dick !!! Tick, tock !!! Aaahhh , I feel better to now . lol

    • Missionary Kid

      I agree with Mark Foster, you are passionately eloquent.

      I got, “Definitely Mediocre, Diminutive Minotaur, His Dark Malevolence, Dipshit Miniscule, Daft Moron and Declining Microman for DAVID MI$CAVIGE NICKNAMES http://tonyortega.org/2014/06/12/more-proof-of-kerri-kasems-scientology-involvement-and-laura-prepon-lies-like-a-rug/#comment-1563541963

  • valshifter

    After hearing Clare Headley’s story, once you decide to blow the best thing to do about the cult I guess is to never ever get in communication with them for any reason at all, is just insane, it makes me sick to my stomach the way they try to pull you back to have you keep on liking the yoke, it really makes me sick.

  • Elar Aitch

    Another great Surviving Scientology broadcast. I could listen to Claire all day – she comes across as a kind of ‘everywoman’ – smart,caring, sensible, level headed, all-round gorgeous – to those who don’t know the inter-generational nature of Scientology and the Sea Org it would be an absolute mystery what someone so ‘normal’ was doing in a position to have to escape in the first place.

    What a contrast to the lunatics at LAX the other day. I wish Mr and Mrs BFG’s happy ending for all the Sea ORg slaves. And I wish for Mr and Mrs BFG and all the others who have made it out that they will be reconnected with their families in he very near future.

    • beauty for ashes

      i was soo excited too! in fact, i’m saving for later so i can really pay attention.

  • George Diaz

    Bullwinkle!

  • 1subgenius

    The Vance judge was wrong. So wrong that he is unlikely to admit it.
    Trying to get anyone to ever change their mind is hard enough, but a judge, like a cop, has the aura of authority that makes it even more difficult.
    With judges its called “black robe disease”.
    Vance will have to take it up.

    • Jimmy3

      The judge may have been wrong. But perhaps Mr. Woodward could have benefitted from a more focused approach in his filings.

      • Mark Foster

        The new motion is more focused…and the judge pretty much told him what he should have focused on in his ruling. I bet that he allows the motion to reconsider..

        • 1subgenius

          Often one does not need to be a meteorologist to observe environmental conditions.

      • 1subgenius

        That should never outweigh the merits of a case.

        • Jimmy3

          But it can weigh down and drown out any merit your case has.

          • 1subgenius

            That’s why I said “should”, and perhaps why you said “perhaps” and “can”.

            • Jimmy3

              Perhaps, or maybe I just like cans.

            • 1subgenius

              You might.

  • Observer
    • Stacy

      Grr. In only one way is CoS better than these Islamic mysoginistic chauvinistic pedophiles. CoS doesn’t institutionalize sexual abuse of women and children.

      Edit: these guys are actually hebephiles, but most people use pedophile to cover all sexual abusers of children, so I used the common term here.

      • Mark Foster

        Actually , it does, in its own twisted way. Read Introduction to Scientology Ethics. Don´t have the specific reference handy, but if you are ¨producing and upstat¨ , you won´t be investigated, and can get away with all sorts of sordid behavior.

        • Stacy

          True. But there’s nothing in there specifically stating female teens are there for the enjoyment of male up-stat members. Or that females must enshroud themselves because the men of CoS don’t have to be responsible for their own behavior. Further, enslavement in CoS is sex neutral. It never is in the radical Islam interpretations.
          http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/the-dancing-boys-of-afghanistan/

          • Mark Foster

            good points!

  • ze moo

    I love the mention of Gavin Potter, Fleewinds guru. I like Woodwards pleading, he nails the ‘commerce’ part of the dispute and makes perfectly reasoned arguments about the amended complaint. I hope the court allows this case to go forward.

  • Anonymous

    Both the Woodward and the Headley story lines in today’s post by Tony illustrate a common theme:

    Scientology leadership has no interest (other than a fake PR interest) in operating as a goodwill participant in a larger community of well intentioned groups.

    Scientology leasdership, like common criminals, seeks to disguise it’s true intentions to gain the trust of others…those others are then mercilessly stripped by church leadership of whatever they have of value (talent, influence, enthusiasm, sincerity, concern for others and especially…money) in a multi-decade pattern of racketeering behavior.

    A person of goodwill (like Claire Headley) becomes an auditor to help others others, then years later is forced to carefully plot an escape from the very organization she previously voluntarily joined in the belief that it was an organization that was trying to improve conditions on earth.

    Another person of goodwill (Vance Woodward) voluntarily puts $200,000 on his church account as an advance payment toward future services from the church. When he decides he no longer wishes to receive those services, Scientology refuses to return his money for which he has received NOTHING from the church.

    Organizations of goodwill do not operate as above. If fact, if an individual in an organization of goodwill was found to be doing such things, he / she would be expelled and possibly prosecuted. In Scientology, it is the whistleblowers who are expelled and frequently then framed for prosecution. That is the true corrupt and sinister nature of Scientology.

    Because of the diabolical snitching culture (described by Karen in her post above) that exists inside Scientology, if by some circumstance Claire and Vance knew each other while in the church, each would be forbidden (and would in fact self-police) from sharing the personal angst they were experiencing as church members.

    The tragedy of Scientology is that one has to experience so much abuse and dishonesty inside the organization in order to generate the decision to leave. Upon leaving, one often learns that one’s personal experience is not even as horrific as that of thousands of others who similarly left to get away from the deception and malevolence that is Scientology.

    The methods of deception invoked by Scientology leadership to conceal their malevolent intent are manifest and there are still a few thousand public persons of goodwill involved in the church who are being deceived.

    However ex-Scientologists greatly outnumber current Scientologists…the individual reasons why each ex-Scientologist left may vary, but most center around discovering that the disguise of benevolence worn by the church masks malevolent intent.

    The history of Scientology is littered with the damage wrought by that malevolent intent.

    • Mark Foster

      Always articulate, always on point. Thanks again, Anon!

    • Stacy

      “…it is the whistle-blowers who are expelled…”
      I know nothing about the laws protecting whistle-blowers. Is this a possible avenue for lawsuits?

      • Missionary Kid

        Probably not in this case. It’s usually a matter of employment, and Co$ is slippery about that.

        • Stacy

          Is there anything they’re NOT slippery about?

          • Missionary Kid

            No.

            • They’re even slippery when you ask to see the slippery oiliness table, which teaches them the Super Power of discerning the wide variety of different kinds of slipperiness that there are.
              This transcends everyday slipperiness, and ascends into the realms of meta-slipperiness.

              And it’s probably time for me to go to bed…

      • Anonymous

        Whistle-blower statutes (in the US) are normally designed to cover actions that harm a government interest, or harm done to those that are forwarding a government interest.

        Some states have their own whistle-blower statutes the allow private individuals to pursue remedies that would normally be reserved for the attorney general and to share in recovery of financial penalties (if there are any.)

        It is a very complex area and I don’t know that much about it.

        In the case of Scientology, bringing abuse / fraud to the attention of internal management is a virtually guaranteed way to become targeted for “handling” by the church laughingly calls “ethics.”

        My comment above was intended to illustrate the level of corruption that is BUILT RIGHT INTO Scientology via the upside down manner in which it deals with people who are seeking real justice (not the phoney blame-the-victim justice that the church renders, by policy and by historical record.)

        • Stacy

          Thanks Anonymous. Always helpful and informative.

  • flyonthewall

    Haven’t read today’s article yet but wanted to just say real quick before I forget that Marty’s video w/Yager and co is up to 350,000+ hits already 🙂 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EG70fhg0wL4 .

    • Mark Foster

      I love the sound of foot bullets in the morning…

      • HillieOnTheBeach

        Some comments are great. In response to someone’s “all religions are bad” trope, paraphrasing: “This is about an evil religion, not the evils of religion. Do try to keep up.”

        Ha!

        • stillgrace2

          Here’s my favorite comment. This is exactly the reaction I was hoping for and expecting.
          (F5) ETA: 353,991 at 8:50 PDT

          • lucille austero

            Yes! The casual observer has the feeling that $cientology is a creepy UFO cult. Sweet!

          • Bury_The_Nuts

            Good Job Dave!
            MOAR…………Passes you some more foot bullets to load.

          • Verve

            The word is getting out.

        • Missionary Kid

          In response to someone’s “all religions are bad” trope, paraphrasing, someone wrote: “This is about an evil religion, not the evils of religion. Do try to keep up.” That’s now on the list, THINGS SAID ABOUT $CIENTOLOGY & DIANETICS http://tonyortega.org/2014/06/12/more-proof-of-kerri-kasems-scientology-involvement-and-laura-prepon-lies-like-a-rug/#comment-1439059448

      • 0tessa

        This was more a foot grenade!

      • BosonStark

        The hit count is unbelievable. Did the Crazy Tom Cruise video even take off this fast?

        It’s the three Scientology nutter zombie ghouls, just in time for Halloween.

        Even the clams are viewing it, or maybe just their socks. A top comment that
        got 34 upvotes is something about Scientology = truth, and Tom Cruise
        looks so good because of it.

        Yeah, but what about L. Ron? The old
        buzzard didn’t look so well when he died at 74 did he, in spite of
        years of chain smoking to prevent cancer.

    • ze moo

      Several web ‘news’ sites are covering this. I love the smell of footbullets in the morning.

      Boing Boing, Vox, Uproxx, Heavy, the word is getting out.

      • HappypantsDance

        Oooh! *Rubbing my hands together and laughing maniacally* I hope larger news outlets pick it up, too.

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      It is getting some major traction on reddit.

      • flyonthewall

        That is where a friend of mine forwarded it to me from. She doesn’t watch scientology but knows I do. So glad this video is getting wide traction in the general non-sci watching public! Btw, I did recommend Beyond Belief to her and she loved it as did my dental hygenist and the people she recommended it to 🙂 The word is out about you creepy culties, everyone is on to you!

        • Free Minds, Free Hearts

          The word is out for sure. I mentioned scientology to my art teacher the other day and she immediately said “that is such a dangerous cult….”

    • Observer

      David Miscavige, Footbullet Emperor of the GuhLAXy

      • vistaril_LOL

        st8t up and vertical!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      • Missionary Kid

        Footbullet Emperor of the GuhLAXy is going on the DM nicknames list. Posted later.

    • Ruby

      Jenny “every square inch of his body” and Marc are making remarks about how terrible Marty’s TRs are. (TRs are the training routines for communication.) What these brilliant idiots fail to realize if that Marty is showing an absolute command and skill of “TR 0 Bullbait”, as that is what they are doing to him. They are bullbaiting him and are not even close to a real communication that one should listen to.
      So, once again, they don’t even have a clue about their own tech.

      • lucille austero

        “brilliant idiots!” Ha Ha Ha!

      • Mark Foster

        Actually, they are shining examples of the golden age of ass-hat tech.

        • Verve

          “ass-hat tech”
          MK, you really need to put that one in your “Things said about Scientology” list.

    • chukicita

      Such ethical church people. Why would anyone ever want to leave Scientology? The happiest people on the planet.

      *cough*

      • Mark Foster

        Yes sir! By the way, if you don´t want the rest of those beans, I´ll finish ´em off for ya.

    • moonnfire

      I love how she tells him HE looks bad. That poor woman looks so aged and fatigued. I feel sorry for her when one day she looks in the mirror and realizes what this farce has done to her and all the time she has wasted and cannot get back. Very sad indeed

      • The two men remind me of Mike Rinder before he blew: A waxy head on a stick.

        • flyonthewall

          Yager especially. I literally got a sick feeling in the pit of my stomach looking at them. It takes pure evil to reduce a person to the state those guys are in. *shiver*

          • beauty for ashes

            i wonder if it has been going on so long they can’t even see it, or they make excuses for it?

    • This is so very excellent. These violently insane crooks don’t seem to realize that their violent lunacy is being recorded, huh? Or that the video will make its way on to the Internet. What a bunch of dumb fucking crooks. The IQ of the typical criminal.

      • flyonthewall

        you know they are going to be punished harshly for the video going viral. I came like this close to feeling sorry for them but then I remembered, oh right, they sold their souls to the devil 🙂

    • edge

      It’s not just that they don’t know how stupid they look. It’s that they don’t know that they don’t know how stupid they look.

      • HillieOnTheBeach

        The irony is how they present themselves, amongst themselves, as cheerfully welcomed liberators of the world but are in fact entirely tone-deaf to anything the world says to them.

    • Sir_Real

      I’m overjoyed that this revealing video has been seen by so many in several outlets already. I wish a major news outlet would pick it up next, if the ones in the US are too chicken to do so maybe one in the UK or Oz will. (The Aussies don’t seem shy at all about running mainstream news stories on Davy’s Shitty Little Cult). Oh and to reiterate what has already been mentioned here this morning: *refresh*

    • Missionary Kid

      I didn’t read ahead when I posted two hours later. There are another 7,000 viewings in two hours. Of the people who took the time to vote on it, 98.9% liked it.

      Foot, meet bullet. Tick Tock, Davy.

    • Bavarian Rage

      YouTube Tech.

  • A series to watch:
    An Introduction to the Long History of Los Angeles Cults October 20, 2014, Adrian Glick Kudler, Curbed LA

    Scientology gets an overview, probably with more quality time later. Mainly it’s a nice look at what the LA cult scene was like before Hubbard got tired of writing for a penny a word.

    • Science Doc

      It’s a good read and has a link to an excellent post on Landmark, an EST successor that Ardent introduced me to here a few days ago.

    • Captain Howdy

      Good find.

  • Vance needs to get himself a lawyer who understands not only law but also can piece together arguments which are not seeped in resentment at being defrauded, bilked, and swindled.

    The crime syndicate loves it when their victims talk about their “religious” frauds rather than their financial frauds, racketeering, extortion, blackmail, and everything else that the State seems to be hamstrung to the point of not putting these filthy criminals in jail.

    The whole point of pretending to some how be a religion is predicated upon tax fraud and being able to commit fraud on the courts specifically to steal rubes’ money and not have to give it back and if the Judge’s judgement is accurate, Vance walked right in to the criminal enterprise’s arms.

  • Panopea Abrupta

    The Way to Slappiness
    or, as Graham titled it yesterday,
    The Weight of Crappiness

    critically reviewed, part 2

    #2.1 Do not take harmful drugs.
    “Pinks and greys” are referred to in Hubbard’s own writings.
    Nibs suggested that barbiturates were common parental fare in the ’50s.
    He was fond of rum (the sea-dog’s tipple,as he was ever pretentious.)
    And the Vistaril injected into his lard-ass as noted in the autopsy report?

    The Macallan is Dildo Dave’s drink of choice.
    Alcohol doesn’t come under the rubric of harmful drugs in which parallel universe?
    And the asthma inhaler, Dave?
    I thought $cientology could help you with that.

    #3.1 Be faithful to your sexual partner.
    It could be argued from his affirmations that Hubbard’s only true sexual partner was himself and that he only used others like Kleenex, to be casually discarded.
    He was certainly only ever faithful to his own self-serving ass.
    But, even in the more common definition of faithfulness, he was anything but a paragon of virtue.
    Bigamy, for Xenu’s sake!
    Bigamy, and the famous quote in the TV interview:
    “I never had a second wife.”
    There were other delightful episodes including a dose of the clap in Florida.
    Less often bruted abroad is that Lord Hubris of Tilden fathered another child outside of marriage while at St. Downhill.
    His “faithfulness” in later years stemmed rather from his impotence than any ethical, moral or loving behaviour.

    Dildo Dave may still wear his wedding ring.
    Where is Shelley?
    We know where Laurisse is.

    #4 The way to happiness has on its route the loving and the helping of children from babyhood to the brink of adult life.
    Just this alone is an enormous condemnation of Scientology.
    It begins with Hubbard’s recommendation to use his barley-water garbage instead of breast-milk, thereby displaying his ignorance and his arrogance.
    Babies have been hospitalized, suffering from scurvy, because of this quackery.
    The appalling treatment of Sea Org families and children has been documented.
    Coerced abortions shows the real attitude to burgeoning bellies.
    Terrible childcare conditions and extremely limited family time have been the norm.
    A small example of the horror:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tj2nDg5ZNQU#t=21
    There have been children sexually abused in Australia and Arizona, with the perpetrators hidden from justice.
    The coercion of adolescents to join the Sea Org is criminal.
    Their berthing and work conditions amount to human trafficking.

    # 5 The way to happiness includes being on good terms with one’s parents or those who brought one up.
    The hypocrisy of this one BURNS.
    Hubbard and Miscavige should have heeded this.
    Disconnection is the evil truth of $cientology’s attitude to family, siblings or children who leave the “Church.”

    • Bob

      Good examples. I’m sure the cherch violates them all!

      6. The way to happiness
      requires that one set a good
      example for others.

      Marc Yaeger, Jenny DeVocht and Dave Bloomberg are perfect examples of setting a good example.
      From them I learned how to ineffectively degrade another human being publicly. And how to make a complete fool out of myself.

      Scumatology executives setting a good example for us all.

  • deviating from haiku for this one….the weekend raiders mentioned this man, in their reports–how he probably couldn’t stand on his own, was staring at the ground, had walked there on his own and was talking to himsef…i-Betty, when they left the grounds asked the police to go check on him….i’m tweeting this to various places to hopefully get an ID on him and for him to be checked on….and i had to link to the tweet to ensure the photo was viewable, sorry….
    https://twitter.com/misstia/status/524574859544625153

    Next 3 tweets based on this video by the awesome protesters! 🙂
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWp6B3SWowU
    #TeamSP #SPs1Scis0

    UK police ROCK!!
    Clearwater police wouldn’t
    be that relaxed! WIN!!
    #EastGrinsteadPoliceFTW #ScientologyCannotPayOffEveryone #Fairness

    “They just want your cash!”
    People ignored the warnings,
    went in anyway.
    #FairWarningNOTFairGaming #Scientology #TeamSP #FairWarningNOTFairGaming #Scientology #TeamSP #ShouldHaveListened

    Love the Scieno asked
    to step away from SPs
    at St. Hill entry! 🙂
    #scientology #haiku #SPsONSciPropertyAtPoliceRequest #Win

    Ideal NarCONons:
    Trying to bury bad press.
    Internet Exists!
    @narconon @scientology #haiku #WeDoNotForgot #InternetRemembersToo

    NarCONon ideal:
    All closed, money refunded,
    compensate for deaths.
    @narconon @scientology #haiku #DoThisInstead #ThisWILLHappenEventually

    Further ‘con’ ideals:
    being criminally charged
    for crimes committed!
    @narconon @scientology #haiku #ManslaughterAtLeast #WeKnowYourCrimes

    ‘Ideal’ out in front
    of any Sci front scheme does
    NOT make it better!
    @scientology #haiku #StillAScam #IdealFraud #IdealLies

    niblet’s wedding ring.
    No one wonders WHERE she is?
    Where is Shelly at?
    @scientology #haiku #ShellyMiscavige #WhyDoesHeWearIt #WHOIsItFor

    • Frodis73

      I hope we find out about that guy–he gives me the sads.

      • Stacy

        Me too

        • Frodis73

          No, he’d prob refuse help anyway. The more details Betty reveals the more tragic it seems. Like Betty said, I’d guess he was yanked out of the RPF for duty or something…he looks so lost.
          OT-I thought of you the other day when I saw this vid about cats & have been hoping to run into you at the same time here. Enjoy!
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fEJdWgWFB0

          • Stacy

            LOL, I love it! If I have to be a fanatic about something, I’m glad it’s cats and not scientology. ☺️

            Thanks for the awesome kitty vid!

            • Frodis73

              Glad you like it!

            • beauty for ashes

              “If i have to be a fanatic about something, I’m glad it’s cats and not scientology.”
              i don’t know why but this gave me furious giggles! it’s like a tagline from the real housewives or something.

            • Stacy

              Lol, glad I amused you

      • me too!

    • Graham

      In the photo Unidentified Man seems to be wearing a walkie-talkie. Why I wonder?

      • i-Betty

        He was also the only one holding a bottle of water. We were wondering about that, too. Possibly he had been called back from the RPF to deal with the need for extra security and they were well aware of his weakened state. All the scientology guards had walkie-talkies but this man didn’t speak once while we were there from what I can discover from my videos.

        • Graham

          Just watched the video to the end. Unidentified Man’s body language is truly tragic. A broken man being held up by people on either side, yet they don’t seem to see anything unusual in this and are making no attempt to look after him.

          Betty- you have a brilliant ‘confront’ technique. Guy sticks his hand in your face and your reaction is to compliment him on his soft hands (Though a little bit dirty). You have the knack of seeing the humanity lurking behind the defensive armour.

        • Stephanie Loving

          You are amazing and were amazing on the steps of St. Hill. I was so inspired by you and John and everyone talking to the guards. Just beautiful.

        • Stacy

          You can’t always see him in the video, but when you can, he seems completely unaware about what’s going on. I kept waiting for the items in his hand to fall out and slip to the ground. I think your concern was laudatory, Betty. Sad that it was a protester who tried to get him help, not one of his “friends.”

      • i don’t know….he also had an umbrella…the descriptions of him were heartbreaking and i hope he’s found and gets help (and away from them!)

    • i-Betty

      Tia, please will you check out the latest post in SPs R Us. We might have an idea of his name now, but it’s difficult to decipher.

      • well i know we’ve covered this there! 🙂 —well trying to cover it!

  • Anonymous

    Do you want to learn about Scientology’s top management?

    Well…just go to Google…it is so very easy:

    http://lmgtfy.com/?q=scientology+top+management

    • Missionary Kid

      On Youtube, the percentage of people who liked the video and took the time to vote on it wasn’t quite 99%. It was 98.91 % 2,725 liked it, and only 30 didn’t.

      There’s over 357,000 views. SUCK IT, DM!

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EG70fhg0wL4

      • Anonymous

        One can just see a sad little group of RPF’ers having been ordered to make up fake Youtube ID’s so they can vote again and again to try and get that “thumbs down” number to go up.

        Heh.

        Scientology leadership has truly reached the “status” of Dipshits Meritorious…where all they have to do is show up, talk and be themselves to send the rest of humanity into gales of laughter and derision.

        • Missionary Kid

          True. The white light of exposure shows how $cientology really behaves, instead of the PR image they try to maintain.

  • N. Graham
    • Qbird

      Wee Org… tee hee Doll!

  • Qbird

    CLAIRE! CLAIRE!! CLAIRE!!!
    On the bus… She did it!
    ESCAPED.
    NO REGRETS.

  • Panopea Abrupta

    Red-X Red-X Red-X

    Marty’s LAX video at over 350,000 views.
    $cientology: the grift that keeps on giving.

    How to here, and scroll down to help Pete and John in Dublin:
    https://whyweprotest.net/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-116#post-2490545
    And the 4-day list here:
    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-Kvg78kCcvo5gL7UfPcmhmbsagTNtdj0y2LAiHVFrCU/pubhtml

    The Internet is coming to get you, LilFiveOne (and a pompadour)

  • nottrue
    • Stephanie Loving

      Real heroes here. John M is amazing. Each and every one of them … amazing. It was really beautiful how after the push-shove incident, it became kinda quiet and John and crew were able to talk to the guards compassionately. Hope is alive that one of them listened. The seed was planted. Amazing work but a courageous bunch. Huge Congrats in order!

  • Finally Free

    Claire Headley Super Hero! That is such a heartwarming, heart wrenching thrill ride. Thanks so much for telling your story.

  • DeElizabethan

    Back in the old days, it was commonly known that you could get your money back but you could then no longer get services. In 2011 to complete an ethics cycle I had to sign a separate paper stating I would not ask for any money back, nor could I receive it. Since I had no money on account I went ahead and signed it, furthermore I didn’t plan on giving any more.
    Looks like they are trying to cove their ass in many new ways over the years. IRS where are you?

    I wish Vance Woodward success and his argument sounds quite reasonable.

  • Bob

    Off today’s subject, regarding the Marty ambush. It may have already been mentioned. I went directly to YouTube to see how many views. Over 357,000 views. 2k likes and 30 dislikes.
    The cherch has scored big PR points with that move. From now on if anyone has any question regarding what Scuzzatology is about. Just send them to that video. Good move Davey. That was a 155 mm foot bullet.

    • Sherbet

      What most of those YT viewers might not even know is that Monique Rathbun is suing the “church” those zombies represent for the very thing those zombies are doing in the video — stalking and harassment and invasion of privacy.

      It turned out to be a perfect example of show and tell: See what these people are doing, Your Honor? That’s the crap they’ve been pulling on me for years. I rest my case.

      • Bob

        Absolutely. Davey can’t withhold himself. It’s gonna do him in.

    • FromPolandWithLove

      When I first saw this video it had 3500 views. Today it has 100X more. Not 47x, but 100x. Talk about stright up and vertical expansion 🙂

      • Bob

        You bet. Davey keeps getting highest Evers. Highest ever bad articles and videos, highest ever staff leaves, highest ever public leaves. Highest ever lies told by him and cherch reps.
        Davey, you are the bomb!

    • MaxSpaceman

      Over 357,000 views.!
      That is huge! So fast.
      Thank you for sharing that.

      • Bob

        Send your friends and interested party’s to see it. Best education on Stupitology yet.

    • Missionary Kid
  • DeElizabethan

    What an
    exciting and revealing chapter of Claire’s escape. Your decompression
    period was interesting to hear and encouraging to others. Getting your
    belongings and dog was not easy but a happy note, while disconnection to
    your family is sad. Thank you Claire and Jeff.

    • Frodis73

      I’m also very happy they got their dog back. That must have been awful to leave him behind at first. I’m surprised they didn’t keep the dog just to mess with them.

      • Captain Howdy

        I surprised they didn’t claim that the dog was a member of the Sea Org and when asked for proof they would produce a billion year contract with inked dog paw on it.

        • Frodis73

          Good one. You probably just gave the evil one a good idea.

  • Stacy

    Given all the excitement here over the past few days, I’m really surprised there haven’t been any trolls attempting damage control. Or did I miss this too? The number of posts the past few days has been so great I never got through them all.

    • Missionary Kid

      Trolls don’t show up when Co$ looks bad. They usually show up when Jon Atak does, but we’ve been troll free for a while, thank goodness.

      • Stacy

        You’d think they would show up after a series of PR disasters. CoS, always illogical.

        • Missionary Kid

          They would love to trap him in the U.S. to enforce the judgement they have against him, but he knows better, and fortunately isn’t a citizen.

    • Robert Eckert

      There was Stanislav, but his efforts were really feeble and he didn’t stick around long.

      • Frodis73

        I am curious to see how he’d spin this though. Lol.

    • I know what you mean. And no, I don’t think there has been as many.

      And on WWP I haven’t seen any “I hate Rinder” messages since the Garcia case deposition (these posts were a sure thing, until now).

  • Missionary Kid

    After hearing Claire Headley’s podcast, and sitting here reading the comments, I happened to have the Today show on, and they had a 17 year old girl on named Jacquie Lee singing a song I believe she wrote called, “Broken Hearts.” I had the sound off, and the transcription playing on the screen. There were several phrases that reminded me of Claire and many of the others who have left. “Cross your heart and say you’ve never given up.” She also signs about being in a crowded place trying not to feel along, and not to forget the broken ones, and “we’ve all been broken once, so let’s love the broken ones.” I backed up the DVR and played it with sound. It hit me again.

    i could only think of the poor people trapped in $cientology, and especially those who’ve been stuck in the Hole. Except for the abusers, we need to show love and kindness to the people still in. Hate the sin, not the sinners, except for those at the top who perpetrate the evil.

    Fuck you DM.

    • Bob

      Living around it I see so many people who are trapped. They are good people. I agree MK. I want those people free from the scourge of Tyranny-tology. It’s outright evil.
      PS- some new names in my comments today.

      • Missionary Kid

        I caught most of them. Tyranny-tology is now added to the list. I’ll post it later.

  • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

    Alexa update for October 21: *refresh for images*

    Alexa has notified they will be updating their calculation matrix in October. So expect some changes in the rankings this month.

    Tony: US rank #24,179 – up 769 from yesterday. (Average rank last 3 months: 19,288)
    scientology: US rank #57,987 – up 4,073 from yesterday. (Average rank last 3 months: 61,913)

    Difference: 33,808 – 3,304 less than yesterday. (Average difference last 3 months: 42,624)

    • Observer

      I wonder how many of those Scientology hits are due to Marty’s video.

      • HillieOnTheBeach

        A good part of it may be the accidental posting of the “article with pics” about the Copenhagen event that hasn’t taken place yet.

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        Now that’s funny!

  • Truthiwant

    Hey, this guy is really cool!

    I think he agrees with us all! http://wp.me/5clPR

    • Missionary Kid

      All right on point.

  • Douglas D. Douglas

    OT (but not completely), I finally watched the entirety of the “Dawn Raid” video posted here:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okA_PM4AbME&feature=youtu.be (Betty, you have a lovely voice. You should be reading the news or delivering commercial copy on the radio.)

    Trespassing laws certainly are different in the UK. Over here the security would have wrestled all the “terrorists” to the ground and had the law on them.

    If anyone can help to identify the sad figure in the blue cap with the red logo, please do so. He clearly needs help, and it’s not going to come from anyone at the CoS.

    And doesn’t Janet Leveau look completely natural slapping the protestor? [See it at 02:40!] It’s as if it was something she did on a daily basis…

    • i-Betty

      I hadn’t realised I’d set the permissions to Public, so it’s my fault entirely. I’ve been trying to edit a couple of bits but it has taken so long on my knackered old computer. Oh well, publish and be damned, I say! I do hope you all enjoy it – the ‘official’ one will be so much better because it should include the GoPro footage of us sneaking in under cover of dark which was the most exciting bit 😛

      Thank you for your kind words, DDD! I assume you’re not referring to my singing voice, though 😀

      • i-Betty

        I will put 3 shorter videos up asap which begin when the police arrive to coax us away.

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          Can’t wait!

      • Shamwari

        i-Betty, you have forced me out of my usual lurking mode! You are a delight! Thank you – and all the protestors – for the endless humour. It sure has been an action packed few days. And thank you, as always Tony. The Bunker Rocks.

        • i-Betty

          Thank you! How lovely to meet you. I’m glad you have been enjoying it as much as us. Mark and I were definitely representing the Bunker 🙂

        • Stacy

          Welcome! ☺️

      • Spackle Motion

        I saw at least 2 ‘security’ men where the looks on their faces betrayed their Scientology training. Especially the American bloke when the name Simi Valley was mentioned. So sad.

        On the other hand….i-Betty, if that is your husband (the chap in black being pushed by the wall-o-lost souls)…well done. He’s funny and fantastic looking!

        • i-Betty

          That’s John McGhee, Sam (Domingo) Freeman’s boyfriend, and he’s hilarious, Spackle! And incorrigible, but mostly hilarious 😀

          The clam security guard you’re referring to is Janet Leveau’s son, Jordan. Simi nannied for him when he was little. He said he didn’t remember her, but see how he swallows deeply when he hears her name? Classic anxiety ‘tell’.

        • Captain Howdy

          Hola, DC.

          • Spackle Motion

            Hi Captain 🙂

      • Free Minds, Free Hearts

        I-Betty thank you for everything you have done!!!

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Here’s another screen shot of our mystery guard. He shows up fairly early, and seems on the verge of collapse by the end of the video.

      • i took this screen shot of him towards the end of the video….i hope at least these can help get an ID on him or at least his hat (which might help ID him too)…..

        ETA: sorry it appeared twice! stupid disqus!

        • Stacy

          Obviously I have no idea who this guy is. But after watching the video again and studying the pictures, I’m struck by how much his behavior and body language reminded me of my uncle when he was in one of his “lost” Alzheimer’s episodes. I really, really hope this man gets some help.

          • i-Betty

            You’ve got it, Stacy. When John McGhee saw him enter through the main gates the previous evening he was about to approach him then realised he was mumbling to himself under his breath and just wasn’t ‘with it’, so instead he mentioned it to a police officer and she, too, said she was worried about him. I believe she entered the grounds to check on him. Then, hey presto, at 6.30am the following day he’s hauled out of bed to create a human chain of indifferent effectiveness. I’m seething about it.

      • Jimmy3

        It looks like Steve Bartman, maybe. Lotta people are still bitter and looking for that guy. Makes sense he’d be overseas.

        • Chee Chalker

          Can someone shoop a turtleneck and some headphones on him?

        • Vaquera

          You got me good, J3. I’d not heard of the Bartman Incident until your post. Spent 10 minutes reading about it, still thinking that somewhere there would be mention of him being a $ciloon. Dang, I’m slow today. Finally with the program. I haven’t really paid attention to MLB since the Killer B’s in the late 90’s. Que sera.

          • Jimmy3

            He moved down South, they say. Went into hiding. No one’s heard from him since.

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          Not quite enough of a sad sack to turn up at St. Hill, methinks…

    • i love how janet just ‘disappears’ too!!!

      • Mark Foster

        dauntlessly and defiantly…disappearing

    • i-Betty

      Pete Griffiths has suggested he looks rather like Heber Jentzsch… (refresh)

      • that might explain why he kept his head down because i believe most of you would have recognized him….when you addressed him he put his head down FURTHER….do we have a height on heber? how tall is john? we could do a comparison that way….no matter who the gentleman is, he needs to be checked on….

        if you do a google image search of him, you can find other photos of him that show the similarities…..

        • Sherbet

          When Heber was trotted out for his son’s memorial service, seems to me he looked a lot older than the man in the cap. Anyway, Karen L. could tell us pretty easily whether or not it’s Heber.

          • there’s been another image that apparently shows this gentleman with brown hair….whomever he is, i hope he gets checked on—and gets help! and wherever Heber is, i hope he gets checked on—and gets help (because i’m willing to bet he probably needs some)….

            • Sherbet

              Two years ago, Heber said he wanted to be left alone. Poor, deluded, brainwashed clam. As for this other gentleman, there seems to be a story here. I wish we knew what it is and that it has a good ending.

            • well do we know HE said that or if that was said FOR him? there’s not really anyway to probably know….yes, there’s definitely a story with this other gentleman….i hope it has a good ending too!

          • Free Minds, Free Hearts

            I think Heber would be more skeletal, like Marc Yager in the Rathbun video.

        • HillieOnTheBeach

          No. John Doe’s nose is shorter and the ball at the tip is smaller.

        • i-Betty

          Karen has checked out the video and whilst she says they do look very similar, it isn’t Heber (I know you know this already, Tia, but just as an update for the others).

        • aegerprimo

          I saw your post on FB, but I don’t post there regarding this stuff. Anyway, if any help at this point, I did a screenshot showing a better shot of the logo on his hat. Ignore me if y’all have figured this out already.

          • i-Betty

            What a star you are, thank you!

          • it definitely looks like a 32 with a white paint splotch….thanks for the logo!!

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        Wow. If that was the case, this is really, really sad. Anyone asked if Karen de la C. would take a look at the video?

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        I am inclined to think this is not the case. Look at this one for comparison:

    • HillieOnTheBeach

      What particularly strikes me in these videos is cos’ pathetic attempt to intimidate by caliing for the dogs.

      Some dogs are trained for security reasons, but signs usually indicate that the property is secured in such a way.

      LE trained dogs have bigger and better things to do, though some are trained as a non-lethal means to subdue a threatening individual, cos’s attempt to justify such a measure as seen in these videos would be laughed out of any K9 abled police precinct.

      Final nail in the discrediting coffin is the appearance of a very friendly Weimaraner dog who seems oblivious to his handler’s expectation that he should be fierce in appearance and then needs to be kicked, rather than verbally commanded out of the way when the intimidation plan backfires.

      • Stacy

        I’m so glad I missed seeing the dog get kicked. If it’s on someone’s footage, please forward it to PETA and any other high profile animal rights group. No one should be allowed to kick an animal and get away with it. And as a bonus, PETA annoying CoS would be great.

        • HillieOnTheBeach

          The dog wasn’t actually kicked but more like forcefully and unexpectedly shoved out of the way by his handler’s leg. Mishandling, yes; evidence of animal abuse worthy of a state sponsored intervention, no.

          However, this was clear:
          a) the dog was nowhere near trained for the task expected of him
          b) his handler was even more oblivious

      • Frodis73

        You can tell that dog handler is *not* a trainer & has no damn clue what he’s doing. My mom showed & trained in obedience & even attack training for 30+ years. That guy don’t know jack.

      • Free Minds, Free Hearts

        I-Betty you were so sweet to exclaim over the dog and pet it!

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        Dogs know.

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      What a great video. I-Betty you have a totally lovely voice. And I love John McGhee– what a stitch! I want to protest with youse guys!

    • i-Betty

      Check this out. It’s at 5:41 in Steve’s ‘Day 2’ video. The senior clam guard definitely calls our guy ‘Anvil’ – or something like that? Have a listen and see if anyone can make it out:

      http://youtu.be/k2eL3KNQIF8?t=5m41s

  • I believe they were attempting to incite me to assault one of them so that they could arrange an arrest to discredit me, Rathbun said about the incident he documented on video”

    http://www.ibtimes.com/top-scientology-leaders-caught-videotaped-verbal-assault-lax-1708821

    • Funny line from Vox article:

      In the newest filmed confrontation, the woman Rathbun identifies as Jenny Linson tells him, “You’ve had no effect, nobody cares, nobody’s interested, you’ve done nothing.” However, the video shot to the top ofReddit.com on Monday night — so some people were interested.

      • Vaquera

        And it remains at the top.

        • ze moo

          All the publicity is a great expose of the clampire. But will they think twice before trying something like this again?

          • nope, they never ever learn!

          • Vaquera

            They didn’t think the first time. 🙂

      • BosonStark

        Ah-ha, Reddit. I’m looking forward to seeing it on national TV soon. What is Scientology you ask? This is Scientology!

  • Vide Cor Meum

    Mark Rathbun now also in the German media.

    Exposing Video: Ex-Scientologist shows how harassment works

    http://www.stern.de/panorama/ex-scientologe-zeigt-wie-belaestigung-aussieht-2146952.html

    Love the text … aggressive and manipulative cult-members … Scientology is well know abouth their aggressive behaivor against ex-members.

  • stillgrace2

    General FYI: Marty’s LAX Ambush video is averaging approximately 75 hits per minute. Carry on.

  • Chee Chalker

    OT, but I just love Leah Remini….I am so glad she and her family are out. She was one of the celebs I could not bring myself to completly boycott. There are a few celebs I can’t help but like.

    • Todd Tomorrow

      She was evil in the church writing KR’s and getting people punished etc.. But I think getting out has made others more aware of how the church sucks. Being a, Sea orgghh member she needs to speak up about the way she was treated before she got famous. Something she hasn’t done like, Marty or Mike. At least they are trying to make amends.

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        She gets a hall pass from me for writing a KR on David Miscavige.

      • Stacy

        Maybe she just needs more time before she’s ready for that. Didn’t Marty and Mike both lie low for years before speaking up?

        • Mark Foster

          correct

      • wasn’t she raised in the church? if that’s all you knew as a kid, then that was your ‘norm’ be it right or wrong….i had an abusive childhood and i thought it was ‘normal’ and everyone had a psychotic mother who tried to kill them but then acted different (decent) around others….i give people raised in strange circumstance wide berth….it can take quite awhile to process everything—even once you realize, wait, what?! that’s NOT ‘normal’?

        • Missionary Kid

          She and her sister were in the sea org for a while, but their mother pulled them out. As dingy as her mother appears on TV, she obviously cares very much for her daughters.

          That’s probably why the whole family bailed on $cientology: familial love.

          • and love is on the tone scale where?

            • Missionary Kid

              Yup.

      • Missionary Kid

        IMO, she doesn’t need to do anything. After all, she wrote a KR on DM. That’s balls.

        It appears she also decided that her career wasn’t being an ex-$cientologist. Right now, being a mother and an actress are probably the most important things in her life.

        Her sister has been her mouthpiece for the most part. It was her mother who managed to pull her and her sister out of the sea org, and as nutty as she appears, that’s a big win for anyone.

        The publicity about her leaving was a heavy blow to Co$. Apparently, they aren’t fair gaming her because she could make them look bad in any lawsuit or public statement. It’s basically a Mutual Assured Destruction situation, and Co$ would lose the most.

      • aegerprimo

        One thing to remember about Leah Remini, is that she grew up as a Scientologist. IMO I don’t think she has forgotten about her responsibility to expose more of what she knows about the crimes of the Co$. This article came out in the mainstream media yesterday, and I think it is interesting that she is now known as publicly leaving the Co$.

        Leah Remini, ‘Dancing With the Stars’: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know
        http://heavy.com/entertainment/2014/10/leah-remini-dwts-husband-angelo-pagan-scientology-dancing-with-the-stars-show-its-all-relative/

        4. Her Leaving Scientology Has Been a Huge Scandal In the Media
        Husband Angelo Pagan converted to Scientology when he was dating Leah Remini and they were married by a Scientology minister. Together, Pagan and the rest of Remini’s family joined denounced the religion in 2013. Remini was very vocal about the details and why Scientology was so toxic for her family. Remini opened up to the media about interrogations she endured from the church, “thought modifications”, encounters with the leader of the church, and being blacklisted.

      • Chee Chalker

        She left the SO a while ago, so I don’t think she would have as much information as Mike or Marty.
        Hey at least she wrote a KR about DM….. That alone makes me like her!

  • McLovin_1982

    Not only is the Marty LAX vid going viral, it’s now getting picked up by mainstream news media outlets. Karen Pow is going to be real busy…..

    http://www.ibtimes.com/top-scientology-leaders-caught-videotaped-verbal-assault-lax-1708821

    • McLovin_1982

      I also noticed lower in the comments folks contacting other media outlets…. kudo’s to all of you… this is the WORST exposure in current memory for the cherch… so bad 🙂

      • Bleuler

        So let’s play guessing games. Seeing as how it’s a given that Little D ordered them to do this, will he now: 1. Admit how retarded the idea was and take responsibility for the flap himself or 2. Punch those Generality Infested CICS bastards until they learn?

        • pluvo

          1. is not an option – not at all – in the world of David Miscavige. He is unable to self reflect. When you read and listen to the stories from the ones who lived around DM – it is always somebody else’s fault. And not only that, but it is also that he accuses them of being malicious and verbally and even physically assaults on them.

    • Jack99

      It would be nice if she had a nervous breakdown and actually told the truth for once.

    • HillieOnTheBeach

      Mark Yager’s disapproving head shake hasn’t been seen since the Bad News Bears went to Japan

  • Pierrot

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    There are about 4 dozen ads so far today from 4:30am edt, California has 3 dozen ads added in the last few hours. You will find them in the “Daily Wip” tab of the RedX spreadsheet:
    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-Kvg78kCcvo5gL7UfPcmhmbsagTNtdj0y2LAiHVFrCU/pubhtml

    Ty Dodo & Artist

  • pluvo

    Claire and Marc Headley’s escape stories should be made into a film.

    • Jack99

      Brad Pitt as Marc, Jessica Chastain as Claire! Peter Dinklage as Miscavige?

      • pluvo

        Andy Serkis, the Gollum/Sméagol actor, as Daid Miscavige?

      • Captain Howdy

        Matt Damon as Marc, Jessica Chastain as Claire, Seth Green as Miscavige.

        • Robert Eckert

          Martin Short as Miscavige with the Pompadour!

          • Captain Howdy

            I can see that.

        • aegerprimo

          I don’t think Seth is short enough.

  • lucille austero

    Wait, you guys. You mean you can like just video someone like anywhere? And then you can go and upload it onto the intertubes? Like right then and there? Who has a video camera with them all the time?

    • well it is rare for me to leave my house without my camera (that also takes video)….some of the new cameras have internet access to youtube and/or if you have a cell phone with ‘net access, you can of course upload any video immediately….

      • McLovin_1982

        yes… the Bunker Dissemination Tech (BDT) is almost instantaneous… takes picture or video and clicks “Share to….”

      • lucille austero

        Sorry if my sarcasm did not come through! I too carry video capability with me wherever I go, like most people nowadays 🙂 That was kinda my point, unfortunately not well enough made. Unless you too are being sarcastic, Miss Tia?

        • TheQueenofBulgravia

          Lucille, Although We are The Queen of Sarcasm, We recognize said talent in others. (My reality life Cousin, something removed, whom I found on The Google, facilitated Al Gore inventing the Interwebz for common folk like you. Was that a good thing? )

          • lucille austero

            I would say that most all of us commonfolk are eternally grateful to Mr. Al Gore, Inventor of the Internets.

            • TheQueenofBulgravia

              We too! I am really very common! (Can we keep that a secret?–destroy after reading, please.) Adjusting Tiara….. 😉

            • SLIM

              That’s why they call it an “Al-Gore-Rythem..

            • SLIM

              Or Al-Gore-Rhythm…

            • TheQueenofBulgravia

              Free spelling and Gramma Tech works for me! 😉

        • Vaquera

          I got it.

        • oh sorry!! no, for one of the few times 😉 i wasn’t being sarcastic!

    • TheQueenofBulgravia

      😉 Yes—what is this world coming to with this new fangled tech? Too much comm! Pull up a hassock beside Our Throne and We will share the “Good Olde Days”………

      • NOLAGirl

        Can we try on your tiaras while you tell us? You blue bloods always have the best jewels. 🙂

        • TheQueenofBulgravia

          We will be Very Amused to have you do so! You may pick one out to take home.* Thanks to Mighty KT We will sip “Red Rose Tea” that he exported from his quaint Colony of Canada. We would be Very, Very amused if you brought delightful Beignets from where you-all well understand Queenlyness. Laissez les bons temps rouler!
          http://french.lovetoknow.com/image/144515~goodtimesroll.jpg

          * Truth In Advertising We are known locally as “The Tiara Lady” as We graciously distribute Genuine Silver Plastic $00.99 models to the Hoi Polloi…among other things to have them remember their Queenly Selves deserve to be treated Royally by all. My Beloved Daughter, Queen Anne, says that IS my religion. The Government has affirmed this, as on my Official Drivers License photo, I am wearing my “Religious Headgear”, Smiley Face Tiara. 😉 <==Our Ir/religious Icon

    • Jo

      It’s been great fun posting it on FB, pic.

      • lucille austero

        Kind of answers the question, What is Scientology? Love it!

      • Free Minds, Free Hearts

        Beautiful, Jo!

    • NOLAGirl

      Just tried to go watch Marty’s video again on YouTube, on my Twitter acct where I’ve RT’d it and in Tony’s article. It will load up, but will not play in any of those places. Anyone else having this problem or is it me?

      • beauty for ashes

        had that problem briefly yesterday, i think i went on google chrome and got access, it could be that its getting so many hits. of course my grasp of technology sounds like somebody trying to get it to rain with a superstition.

        • NOLAGirl

          I probably have some lone update I haven’t done. My head has been in books and Bunker comments for two days so, I figure it’s me, just thought I’d ask before I went through all the bs to find the problem. Thank you and Vaquera. 🙂

      • Vaquera

        No youtube problems for me.

      • Jo

        No, It’s still working where I’ve posted it.

        • NOLAGirl

          Thanks Jo. It’s something going on with my computer. All vids were working for me this AM, and now nothing. I’ll figure it out. ; )

  • Guest

    Ha ha, just found this short video… you gotta see this, she probably thinks she’s Kim Kardashian????

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdhhcBB47cU

    • noseinabk

      That was posted by our iBetty. I thought is was hilarious.

      • TheQueenofBulgravia

        Cheeky!

      • Jimmy3

        It is. But who was the ‘Guest’ that posted it here?

        • Free Minds, Free Hearts

          Jimmy – It was Prenaud that posted it here – I don’t know why it now says it was Guest.

          • Jimmy3

            Thank you.

        • PRenaud

          That was me… I realized I did not have the right to post this without iBetty’s permission so I tried to delete it but all that was removed is my profile and Disquss added me as a guest?? Sorry about this iBetty.

          • Jimmy3

            Yeah you can’t actually delete a post, it just takes your name off of it. I was only asking because it was already ‘Guest’ by the time I saw it and I was curious.

          • McLovin_1982

            IMO she has nothing to be ashamed of or embarrassed by…. she is just demonstrating her God given first amendment rights! ( and good looking they are too!)

            • Jimmy3

              God only gave The Amendments to Americans. (Sorry Betty, you can share mine if you need them.)

            • McLovin_1982

              yeah but that was Miami… home rules 🙂

            • TheQueenofBulgravia

              Ah, J3, God (aka The Source) gave the Law (Love God+Love Others) a long long time ago. Then He gave the Magna Charta to the English and saw that it was Good …no amendments were required…..but as my momma indignantly declared when we went to Disneyland by car in 1971, on seeing Highway overpasses being demolished, “Those Americans–they have something perfectly good and then they demolish it!” ( @@ …Earthquake, Momma!) 🙂
              http://adriansboutique.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/california-quake-1971-1.jpg?w=293&h=300
              http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1971_San_Fernando_earthquake

            • Jimmy3

              Uh-huh. And God gave the “Chosen People” Israel, before He gave Christians America. I think its fair to say we got the better end of that deal. So I’m sure Magna Whatever is great and all, but He gave us The Amendments. Keepsies No Tradebacks, too. So we’re doing okay with God’s gifts.

              Have you ever rolled bacon in brown sugar before cooking it? God has. And He taught us how.

            • TheQueenofBulgravia

              Beignets, sugared bacon, and all things chocolate certainly are straight from Heaven!

            • McLovin_1982

              It’s bacon man….. EVERYTHING is better with bacon!

              Edit: Oh…. and beer

            • TheQueenofBulgravia

              Agreed. That is why God gave Canada Bacon and He said, “That is soooo good!!!!!!”

              http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-canadian-bacon.htm
              In flavor, appearance, and texture, Canadian bacon is closer to ham than it is to bacon…..The cured pork product which Americans know as Canadian bacon is usually called back bacon in other parts of the world…..In much of Canada and Great Britain, however, “Canadian bacon” is an entirely different food, cured and treated in a different way before sale

              http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_1812
              In the War of 1812, Canada defended the attempt by the USA to capture the source of Canadian Bacon. Later, not satisfied with oil and water, they again tried to invade!

              http://movieposters.2038.net/p/Canadian-Bacon_3.jpg
              CANADIAN BACON
              This political comedy pokes fun at the relationship between Canada and the U.S. The trouble begins when the President, bored by the lack of international rivalries and worried about his political standing, uses a cross-border hockey game incident as the impetus for an incident with Canada.
              http://www.johncandy.com/VideoDetail.aspx?VideoID=55&VideoSection=34

            • SLIM

              Forget about Canuck Bacon…
              You must have a “Smoke Meat sandwich”…
              Especially at Schwartz’s in Montreal…
              Or any Dunn’s Delicatessen anywhere in eastern Canuckistan..

          • Douglas D. Douglas

            If it is a public link, there is no harm and no foul.

          • Robert Eckert

            iBetty isn’t Agent Knickers, who was a friend of hers.

          • i-Betty

            Not at all! It can be used for any purpose. Sadly that was not my bottom, but that of my friend 🙂

            • Free Minds, Free Hearts

              I wish mine looked that good!

            • i-Betty

              We hate her 😀

    • McLovin_1982

      hahahahahahahahaha!!!! I almost peed my pants!

      EDIT: iBetty you rock!

    • Sideliner1

      Flipping HILARIOUS!!!!!!!!

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      An oldie but a goodie. Posted here originally by our own iBetty.

    • flyonthewall

      Agent Knickers has nothing on Agent Pubic – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrZk0C91mfg

  • Panopea Abrupta

    Given events at LAX and Marty’s ambush,
    would it be accurate to say that Captain Footbullet is putting all his legs in one casket.

    Marty was treated as if he was Tyrannosaurus Ex.

    How come the people who have the much-vaunted study-tech never learn?

    And from the appearance of the welcoming committee,
    $cientology: It’s for when you wanna look like an embalmed Keith Richards
    but you can’t play guitar and you don’t like heroin.

    Is ISIS similar to $cientology, but with more guns and less footbullets?

  • stillgrace2

    As I dash out the door, I’ll express a thought that’s been rumbling around in the back of my mind. What if Miscavige and company think that this video going viral is a win for them because everyone is seeing what a “pathetic loser” (not my words) Marty is. Delusion runs deep and can interpret anything anyway it wants.
    ETA: not that I care or anything!

    • McLovin_1982

      Scientology…. anything is possible

      • Missionary Kid

        Scientology…anything stupid is possible.

        • McLovin_1982

          I stand corrected!

          • Missionary Kid

            Thanks for the setup.

    • Captain Howdy

      Of course they do. They have zero self-awareness of anything besides KSW and fear of Dave.

    • HillieOnTheBeach

      “What if Miscavige and company think that this video going viral is a win
      for them because everyone is seeing what a “pathetic loser” (not my
      words) Marty is.”

      A higher scaffold, you say. Well aaaalrightythen.

      • Mark Foster

        ¨Dim Fuckmudget Swinging!¨

        • Missionary Kid

          Mark, did you mean just Dim Fuckmudget or Dim Fuckmudget Swinging for a DM nickname?

          • Mark Foster

            It was my trope on ¨dead man walking¨ , a reference to what guards on death row will say when opening a prisoner´s cell door…

            • Missionary Kid

              OK, I’ll post later on his nicknames list is Dim Fuckmudget.

      • Artoo45

        And more rope, please.

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      Marty’s video is up from 271,000 views or so a couple of hours ago to 399,719 just now. Straight up and vertical, baby! 47X

      • pronoia

        Massive confront and shatter on Marty’s part — and he hardly said a word. Only gave them them MEST allow them to display their assholery and then a simple TR command — To Move Along. To fucking move along and they had to! Talk about a double entendre. Haha!!!!!

      • Robert Eckert

        453,291 views (10:30PM EST) and still climbing

        • pronoia

          At this rate, it is going viral at nearly the rate of he original Tom Cruise is Tome Cruise Scientologist did!

    • Ruby

      The next event will have David Miscavige announcing that scientology has gone viral on you-tube to millions of people, at which point he will wait for the thunderous applause.

  • Eileen

    Maybe they think they’ll get an Acadamy Award.

    • Jo

      Or a big medal.

      • April

        Or maybe a meal. Even a little one would be nice.

      • Qbird

        pssst Jo… on uTube:

        Haitianxu smells like lifter1968.
        Bwahahahaha!

  • Ruby

    Claire and Jeff, what a great podcast! Someone earlier suggested this be made into a movie. Oh yes!
    I could feel and identify with that freedom you felt while riding that bus.

  • Tory Christman

    ” Scientology characterized that as an attack on its First Amendment right to free religious expression, and Johnson agreed”.

    Please…IF this BS line is ever used in court, invite me to testify about their “Top Secret, OSA International Internet Program”…where my auditor, Bill Yaude, roped me into OPENING THEIR PHONY ACCOUNTS! He would not tell me what they were for, just “Trust me”. When I finally got up the NERVE to LOOK…what did I see? TONS AND TONS of posts attempting to stop free speech. By whom? OSA! I had watched Yaude do this—I just didn’t get it as I was too afraid (due to his lies) to LOOK at ALL of it, and thus be able to ‘get it’. Once I finally did, I soon after left $cientology, after 30 years “in”, forever.

    “Now, Vance is back with a more narrowly focused document which says
    that his lawsuit is really about a contract and a money dispute, not
    about Scientology’s First Amendment rights”
    .
    Excellent point~! $cientology is a fraudulent phony BUSINESS pretending to be a “religion” and give a shit
    about “First Amendment rights”. If that were true, they would not HAVE to Declare people “SP” (and thus it’s a “High Crime” to even talk with us). Religion? Freedoms? Puleeeeeeeeeease. Love to all 🙂 Tory/Magoo

    • Mark Foster

      Just watched your escape series of videos for the first time…Wow! In Scientologese: ¨That definitely blew some charge!¨ Thank you.

  • Sid

    Narconon, stalking, crush regging, disconnection, etc.

    If it’s true that Doubledown Miscalamity use to frequent Vegas back when he was transporting LRH’s cash I wonder if he was compulsively doubling down on losing hands back then as well.

    Edit: grrrrrammar f#$% had to change ‘used to’ to ‘use to’.

    • Missionary Kid
    • sookiesookie

      side-mouth whisper Psst… you were right the first time – trust your instincts! 🙂

      • Sid

        Curses. I changed it back. I’m going to send you all my comments for pre-edit before posting. You would think after 45 years or so in Scientology I’d have learned some grammar. I guess I was too busy looking up words to understand how they fit together.

        • sookiesookie

          Pfft, it’s the internet — if it’s readable, it works. I only even noticed because you pointed out the edit and it sounded like me trying to spell sherriff (wait, sheriff? vacuum/vaccuum?) Your posts seem a-ok to me!

          • Sid

            Thanks Sookie. And I was just about to apply a Treason Conditions formula on my grammar and spelling.

  • i-Betty

    Superb new video from Axiom142 covering day 2’s dawn raid on St Hill Manor. This is the funniest yet, imo.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2eL3KNQIF8&feature=youtu.be

    • aegerprimo

      Peter is SO FUNNY!
      “Can you imagine what’s going to happen if Miscavige gets up in the morning and starts flouncing the Org and he sees you here? He will go ballistic and you all will get declared. That’s what will happen.”

      • i-Betty

        Heehee 😀 That’s actually Stephen (Axiom). Isn’t he hilarious? Pete Griffiths didn’t come on any of the raids – he stayed outside protesting peacefully in his beautiful shiny suit 🙂

    • Jimmy3

      Holy hell. Fredo Corleone is one of the guards.

      • Spackle Motion

        Actually that is Sil from the Sopranos. Fredo had more hair.

        EDIT: OK, I see the Fredo goon. They have both a Sil and a Fredo impersonator. Miscavige must like mafia movies and shows.

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      At about 9:00, a bit before – “I’m not here to think” – I love it!

      • pronoia

        Talk about an unconscious communication. Priceless!

    • Observer

      Wow, I could hear the slap in this one, and he was a fair way away from the action!

      • Vaquera

        Obs, aren’t you the resident shooper who was asking for suggestions for your year-end 2014 masterpiece?

        If so, all I can say is, “THIS!! THIS!!”

        • Observer

          Th slap heard ’round the world!

    • Spackle Motion

      One could open up a tire shop with all of the dark circles around the clams’ eyes.

    • Jimmy3

      It’s really cute how they lock arms like that. Red rover, red rover, no SP dare come over!

    • nottrue

      He tried so hard not to but John M made him smile….

      • Stephanie Loving

        John M is a true turbulent majestic truth-sayer confronting the eye-teeth out of life and just his gleeful stare-in and one of this guys was gonna curl a lip.
        I mean FER COSMOS SAKES A MIGHTY did ya all watch John M and the security guards?
        The man is magnifique.

        And Pete G and iBetty …and all the others along the road to Grinstead … legends be made.

    • Vaquera

      1). iBetty, you are adorbs!
      2). The two most verbal guy SPs were channeling Fry & Laurie.
      3). That was a woman in the practical beige suit?

      I’m proud of whole SP team!

    • Jo

      We don’t speak Hubbardness, lol. I thought we just added ness to everything and a few !!!. Cute dog.

      • TheQueenofBulgravia

        “Guard” dog is now on RPF after being sec checked…no confront and worse SP licking/tail wagging squirrel tech! ….oh was that the “Security Guards too?….Soon pike poles with heads will decorate the castle crenulations….yall shouls have taken I-Betties invite for bacon sandwhich

    • pronoia

      Haha! The E Grimstead PD knows what the IAS is. Which means that the cops are keeping themselves informed. So so so Epic!

    • not todays post but in my next blog post I will put up probably the best and funniest reference to ‘Maverick’ you’ll likely see all year (midnight UK 23rd Oct)

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      i-betty…………..I love you. So great.

      Edit: I am so jealous. You have so much closer interaction. This is so awesome. I love the JM footage at 4+.
      He is so uncontrollable and awesome.

      • i-Betty

        John McGhee and The World’s Most Cheerful Guard Dog ™ had a lot in common 😛

        • Stephanie Loving

          iBetty what a great analogy … that dog just wanted to come and hang out next to you and wack ya with his tail … and John just wanted to hang out with the guards and wack ’em with his tales.

          I did see of few guard’s eyes follow John in a kind of wonderment way. Maybe a crack in their brain-step-march façade

          • Mark Foster

            Hopefully! He was ,honestly,insouciant! Y´know,the real deal, not a wooden tr´s-molded ¨mock-up¨ of it, but the real, in-the-moment, i´-don´t-give-a fuck, let´s-talk-about-Davy´s-dick-in-your-ass-on-the-RPF kind of lude, cheeky insouciance. He brought the grade A dopesauce to the encounter for sure. I´d gladly buy him a pint…or four…

          • Stephanie Loving

            hope you can view attachment …

    • DodoTheLaser

      ~11:54 and on, look at the body language of the security guys. BAM!

    • Verve

      superb, just superb.

    • Stephanie Loving

      Aboslutely beautiful confront. JM was tremendous. 2 of those young guards where listening.
      JM, Pete, iBetty and all you others are courageous and so frickin’ inspiring. BIG JAR OF AWESOME SAUCE.

      • DodoTheLaser

        Good catch, Stephanie. I thought the same.
        Heck, all of them were listening, some were just pretending that they don’t.
        The seeds of doubt are planted/reinforced.

    • I checked the youtube figures just before I posted and they were 399k… they’re now 420k; boy, soon those 3 won’t be able to leave the LA HQ without people asking them for autographs

      • Free Minds, Free Hearts

        428.643 views now

        • BosonStark

          I googled “marty rathbun viral video” and there it is. Millions here we come. (I hope)

      • Missionary Kid

        “…soon those 3 won’t be able to leave the LA HQ without people stopping them for autographs.”

        I doubt they’ll leave the Hole or LA HQ soon. We may have another meme: Where are the LA Airport 3?

  • DodoTheLaser

    Marc and Claire escape story reminded me of Tanya and Stefan’s.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmnrosEPL1o

    • pronoia

      Marc & Claire BlownforGood were superstars in that escape! Woohoo!

      • DodoTheLaser

        Victoria’s Secret FTW! ~ 6:12

        • Missionary Kid

          I’ll bet they’ll check every package from there very thoroughly.

          • DodoTheLaser

            Unfortunately so. Doesn’t make them look any better though.

            • Missionary Kid

              😀

    • I’ve always thought this guy was such a tenacious romantic.

    • Missionary Kid

      Obviously, this is some years old. When was this broadcast?

      Thank you Katie Holmes, and, indirectly Tom Cruuze for shining a light on marriage in $cientology.

      • DodoTheLaser

        Last year, I believe. Refresh.
        Click on youtube thingy bottom right or on the link and it will take you
        to the youtube channel with comments and more info.

        • Missionary Kid

          Thanks. I edited my post.

  • pronoia

    Re Claire’s escape. Her courage — along with Marc’s — is so inspiring.

    It is so sad that she(and perhaps Marc at the time because he hadn’t been out long enough to know?) didn’t know that one could buy phone cards almost anywhere in 2005. Almost just as bad — most current Sea Org members would not know how easy it is to buy a burner, temporary cell phone in this day and age.

    But phone card or temporary cell phone or not, neither are necessary if one simply calls 911. Also to get one’s stuff out — one has the right, with police escort, to enter one’s residence to remove one’s personal belongings.

    I want to go to Gold with a sign which reads:

    Marc & Claire Headley!
    Parents of 3 beautiful children
    All happy & well!
    If they can blow
    So can you!

  • nottrue

    Tony Ortega on Media Mayhem……http://youtu.be/l9XxO98WDug

  • i-Betty

    I’ve given up trying to make my videos look pretty!

    1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okA_PM4AbME

    2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcUqmUHMyU4

    3 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neuJfc8rhyU

    4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qS5roJTjgAQ&feature=youtu.be

    5. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COzQi37mnh0

    And lastly, for those of you who have been trying to help us narrow down who the elderly, sick-looking gentleman security guard might be, check this out. It’s at 5:41 in Steve’s ‘Day 2’ video. The senior clam guard definitely calls our guy ‘Anvil’ – or something like that? Have a listen and see if anyone can make it out:

    http://youtu.be/k2eL3KNQIF8?t=5m41s

    • flyonthewall

      So jealous of you guys, looks like ya’ll had fun 🙂

      • i-Betty

        Do come next time 🙂 The mac and cheese alone was worth the trip!

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      Pretty is fer Vogue.
      This is see-ree-US bidnezz.

    • Juicer77

      Beautifully done. Thank you for being so persistent and kind. Hopefully some eyes were opened.

    • pronoia

      I want to rescue that beautiful doggy!

      Also, speaking of dogs, I was very surprised that Marc & Claire rescused their dog from Gold. Want dox of the fortunate pup!!!

      • pronoia

        Also Samantha Freeman (formerly) Domingo ROCKS!

        • pronoia

          & Pete Griffiths has earned a an important new medal. Sharply Merited Silver Shark Suit! Kudos!!!!

    • noseinabk

      I Betty, you have a beautiful voice and a beautiful personality to go with it. You all did a great job.
      I was laughing through the first few videos. This one was just sad. Those security guys did not have the same blank look of the flag or big blue security team. They all ended up looking bewildered when everything calmed down.

    • RBE

      I think the guard does call him Anvil but it is probably a codename, like Maverick.

  • Bury_The_Nuts

    435,435.
    Nuff said.

    (ok maybe not)
    Jennnnnnnnnnaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhyyyyyyyyyyyyyy! (best forrest gump I can muster) U suK!

    • DodoTheLaser

      448,633 now.

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        Let’s go for a half a million!
        Hey Dave…how is that for a stat?
        Suck on that!!!

        • Observer

          *refresh*

      • Vaquera

        How does youtube count the views? I’ve logged on there about 10 times to watch the video. Does the “view” clicker count viewers, which would be one, or views, being 10?

        • DodoTheLaser

          I think it depends on your browser settings and whether it saves the cookies or not.
          But with the video being picked up by reddit and other media/websites it matters not.
          This thing is definitely going viral so far.

          • Vaquera

            No doubt!
            Eta: I noticed that a couple of other youtube accounts have posted the vid, as well.

      • Vaquera

        460,000+++++

  • Captain Howdy

    ….

    • Vaquera

      Thick as a brick today; I don’t understand the broken broom. Let me say in advance, “face palm.”

      • Captain Howdy

        Ask Jimmy.

        • Vaquera

          Yo! Jimmy3! Help a girl out.

          • Jimmy3

            He thinks I said the Royals would sweep the Giants in the Series, so he posted a broken broom. But I think I said ‘sweet’ not ‘sweep’ 😉

            • Vaquera

              Ahhh. In that case, I refer back to my earlier comment of being out of touch MLB since the original Killer B’s. You two crack me up.

            • Captain Howdy

              The Royals certainly seem sweet on the Giants seeing how easily they’re letting them get to home plate.

            • Jimmy3

              It’s not looking good.

      • stillgrace2

        Vacquera, it means “no sweep” and the image was perfect.

    • Jimmy3

      It’s not over yet. They need to get this Bumgardener out of there

      • Captain Howdy

        Nobody Beats The Bum!

      • stillgrace2

        Bumgarner, Jimmy. He can hit, too.

  • daytoncapri

    OT – North Korea released the guy from Miamisburg Ohio, he’s one of our locals. My avatar photo is of capri lanes, located in Moraine OH, where he had recently had lost his job due to the incarceration.

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      I just recalled something my art teacher said when I mentioned scientology yesterday. “It’s like North Korea.”

      • Missionary Kid

        $cientology stupidly exposes it’s poison by its own stupidity.

    • Mark Foster

      Lived in Centerville many moons ago…Glad that he´s okay!

  • DodoTheLaser

    After watching the Saint Hill protest vid/s, I had a cognition that:
    1. It was EPIC
    2. UK cops are cute and smart.
    Thank you to all the peaceful protesters! You all rock!

    • Anonymouse

      Any links to the vids please?

  • stillgrace2

    After some careful calculations and some Kentucky windage, I predict Marty’s video will hit easily 500,000 by early tomorrow morning. I’d say easily by 6:00 am PDT or so. It’s currently getting 185 hits per minute. It will dip over the wee hours.

    • It’s surreal.

      • stillgrace2

        Ha Ha … I see what you did there.

    • noseinabk

      469,926 now.
      Love the comments on YT and reddit. Plenty of the uniformed questions or snark. Then you find comments like these.

      • noseinabk

        Gaahhhh! SORRY for the triple post!

      • deathtoallpoliticians

        one of my favorite scenes from this movie 🙂

    • 07:25 UK time

    • it’s getting all over the net

  • À Propos of nothing at this late night I felt I should mention a documentary I had on Sky+ (Tivo) I just got round to watching…. I think the long time posters here would really like it as… well, it has so many elements that have reared their ugly heads here over the years. It’s called “Russia’s Toughest Prison: The Condemned” and was on BBC4.

    I found it so well done because, first off, it was PSB so didn’t need to ring in the advertising dollars but after a few minutes it becomes mesmerising because you could tell that the people who put it to together were at the top of their game; the cinematography is simply stunning… the access they had … wow, but the individual stories juxtaposed with the footage makes you realise why you ever wanted to complain about a TV license… or in my case, slap those that do!

    No narration… very little underscore music, a true masterpiece of of the documentary genre…. all those out there putting their videos together should try and track this down and see how the masters of this type of filmmaking do it.

    *being BBC4 it often gets repeated and stands a good chance of being available world-wide

    • I searched for it on youtube and got this….. this is the Natural History Channel doing a – for want of a better word – ‘similar’ documentary; if you’re lucky enough to track down the BBC video, watch it and then watch the first 60 seconds of this one you’ll understand what I’m talking about… the underlying agenda in the History Channel one just shows how crap that channel has become.

      Russia’s Toughest Prisons – Nat/Geo. Documentary 2011… NOT “Russia’s Toughest Prison: The Condemned”

      http://youtu.be/f8cbnrBBI3g

    • Captain Howdy

      Thanks, and thanks to Hola I’m watching it on BBC 4 right now.

      • I’ve worked on quite a few docs in my time and it was common knowledge that if you could put something together without a VO then you had something…. the “L” edit skill in this is a work of art… the editor is a genius.

        Here’s my {sounds simple but is actually a helluva lot of work} advice on all amateur doc makers here.

        What you do is transcribe ALL of the footage you have…. ideally with screengrabs with a post it note attached to the text spoken… keep the text minimal and cut on a ‘natural beat’. Then, ideally, get someone who knows whats what to come in and look at the text and get them to “make” the documentary based on what they can see written down…. you actually now have something that makes “sense on paper “… match the rearranged bits of paper in front of you to an actual edit and you have your first video draft that [should] make sense.

        • Mark Foster

          The parallels with musical composition are striking: rhythm, flow, clarity…

  • deathtoallpoliticians

    seeing as though my previous comment, which stirred so much objection, was deleted, i wish to dedicate this attached video to my ms. jenny linson devocht: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txPAco9Th8I. now if she and/or dwarvenfurher would only buy marc yager and dave bloomberg a happy meal each (with the french fries and coke because screw the apple wedges and milk), things in this sector of the marcabian universe would be set for at least a little bit. care to dance, sookiesookie? 🙂 (and, in case you can’t tell, this post is in jest…or am i kidding on the square…who knows?) but have a great night to all of my fellow bunkerites! i wish you nothing but the best!!!!! (my best use of exclamation tech)

    • sookiesookie

      Groovy dancing, groovy song… enjoyed. 🙂

  • cdub

    https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=marty+rathbun+scientology
    The youtube hits for the rathbun ambush are incredible. Spread the word!

  • my effort for todays DListed caption competition…. have a go yourself here http://dlisted.com/2014/10/21/the-caption-this-contest-for-october-21st-2/#comments

    • deathtoallpoliticians

      the ot3 “johnny boy” suit…lmfao…is it fireproof to avoid those nasty burns to the naughty bits during the transverse through the wall of fire?

  • DodoTheLaser
    • reposting a comment I made elsewhere that is relevant to OTVIIIisGrrr8!:

      it occurred to me why I don’t {and probably others) make as many comments as I should on your site…. you don’t have Disqus!… and the default WordPress comment system needs you to sign up {even if you’re already on twitter etc}… slap on Disqus and I think you’ll get loads more idiots like me making fools of themselves there!

  • DodoTheLaser

    For the fresh update on all the variations of scientology ecclesiastical variations of the word ‘fuck’,
    please visit Mike Rinder’s new blog post. It’s a delight.

    “Scientology Top Management Video Earlier Beginning”
    http://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-top-management-video-earlier-beginning/

    • Mark Foster

      Dude, that was TOUGH for me to read through. That´s waaaaay more insane than
      the recent Marty-at-LAX fiasco…

      • DodoTheLaser

        Yeah, same here.

    • sookiesookie

      Terrifying and nightmarish. “I’m your daughter, Mike.” Ugh…

  • DodoTheLaser

    “Scientology Top Management”
    Media coverage on this post:
    http://markrathbun.wordpress.com/2014/10/19/scientology-top-management/

  • Missionary Kid

    The YouTube views of the Scientology Top Management is now over half a million.
    From the likes/dislikes that people have recorded, the percentage of approval has dropped {{{precipitously}}} from nearly 99% to, hold your breath, 97%. That’s out of a total of 3285 respondents. A total of 87 said they didn’t like it.

    Suck on that Captain Footbullet.

    • DodoTheLaser

      Is Captain Footbullet on the list?

      • Missionary Kid

        Yes, Panoplea Abrupta came up with it today.

        • DodoTheLaser

          Good.

  • Sam Domingo

    Dear Vance. Around 2010 I got approx 7K I had on account at Flag returned to me. After a year of arguing with them I finally told them that my attorney had informed me that their refusal to return the money on a account was a violation of my statutory rights and that their internal policies did not supercede the laws of the land and that they had 24 hours to return the money The following day the full amount of the requested repayment was forwarded to me via Fedex! I couched my request in the form of asking for a repayment as opposed to a refund as this is inline with their internal policies regarding requests for monies that have not been used. I didn’t have an attorney yet and I don’t know why I seem to be the only person who has gotten a ‘repayment’ from the cult in recent years but I thought I’d let you know that what I said to them appeared to make someone in the cult’s legal department shit their pants so I thought the information might be useful 🙂

    • Sam Domingo

      Also you may be able to use my testimony that they have returned monies to me already to build your case if it helps. My contact email is firewitch888@gmail.com (don’t tell me off Anons – OSA already has it)

      • Sam Domingo

        By the way. I’m neither an attorney nor an expert but doesn’t all this anti SLAPP stuff just prove over and over that they’re a business for profit?

    • Missionary Kid

      Sam, thanks for being there this weekend.

      • Sam Domingo

        Pleasure was all mine 😀 Can someone please make sure this message gets to Vance? I don’t have any contact info (let alone time) x

    • DodoTheLaser

      Dear Sam. Thank you for being part of that peaceful protest.
      Also, it made me smile how you sat there swinging your legs back and forth behind the security.
      Hoping Vance will win more, even though he already did in some way. You rock, lady! 🙂

    • aquaclara

      Hi, Sam,
      Just adding my thanks, too, for your terrific work at the big tent event, along with this info for Vance. You all looked like you had such a good time.

      I hope Vance prevails.
      Keeping my fingers crossed for a good outcome….

    • vistaril_LOL

      interesting.This info needs to be made into a standard legal template,make it easier for everyone to get their $$ back – and piss DwarfPope off too!

  • DodoTheLaser

    This is AC/DC and pop corn time, exponentially. Good times.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoyxXxGWTwU

  • Pierrot

    *** RED X +–+ RED X +–+RED X +–+ RED X *** Wednesday the 22nd of October

    Good morning Early Birds and Night Owls,
    San Francisco is leading the charge toward Thursday, there were 112 new ads yesterday, but thanks to a slow week end the Last 4 Days is a manageable 243 or less than 15 minutes flagging.

    Check the write up and recommendation about it at wwp: https://whyweprotest.net/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-116#post-2490545

    Or go directly to the RedX spreadsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-Kvg78kCcvo5gL7UfPcmhmbsagTNtdj0y2LAiHVFrCU/pubhtml
    The best strategy it to flag everything in the “Last 4 Days” and then come back later this
    afternoon and flag new arrival in the “Daily Wip” (from 4:30am onward).
    You can also use the reboot tech and Flag it all over again.

    FREELOADER Debt is ILLEGAL and CAN’T BE ENFORCED.
    DON’T route out, BLOW, Get HELP, get OUT. CALL 1-866-XSEAORG

    Hi Dodo & Artist.
    https://www.flickr.com/photos/120371503@N05/14957459094/in/set-72157642802079293

    • DodoTheLaser

      Holy RED X! Thanks to AP for uploading all that and giving credits to the original artists!

      • Pierrot

        Quite a collection to be proud of. Lots of work in there, thanks.

        • DodoTheLaser

          Welcome, brother. Thank you, really.

        • DodoTheLaser

          We need to bring those two RED X art pages to two bajillion. For truth, art and justice.

  • NOLAGirl

    Not sure when the last time someone posted this was, but Marty’s LAX video is up to 513,453 hits on YouTube. Hehehe!! Suck it Dave!

  • Jgg2012

    Claire’s story is one of dozens of escape stories I’ve heard. How many others tried to escape but failed?

    • Missionary Kid

      One is too many.

      • Jgg2012

        I agree, but it seems that it might be a lot. A human trafficking epidemic.