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Scientology’s own plans show it paid $37 million for a building to serve only 87 people

NorthSydneySmallWe told you previously that one of the announcements Scientology leader David Miscavige made at an October 17 gala in front of a few thousand people under a giant tent in England was that he had plans for a new “Advanced Org” in Australia.

It’s a fascinating study in Scientology hubris. At a time when the church is shrinking, unable to attract people to the “Ideal Orgs” it already has, and with its drug rehab program Narconon increasingly under fire, Scientology doubles down by announcing plans for “Ideal Narconons” and new Advanced Orgs.

In Scientology’s model, local “missions” feed newcomers to larger “orgs” or “Ideal orgs” where they go through a significant part of their “Bridge” — Scientology’s long list of courses and training. For higher level instruction, they must go to one of several “Advanced Orgs” in places like Copenhagen, Los Angeles, or Clearwater, Florida. And they finish things off with a final course aboard the church’s private cruise ship which sails the Caribbean, the Freewinds. Justifying new Advanced Orgs, at the upper end of that scale, would make sense if the missions and orgs below them were proliferating. But they aren’t.

According to the church’s own website, the Advanced Org that Miscavige announced for Australia would serve as an “ecclesiastical management” center overseeing the other facilities in Australia and Asia. But recent census reports show that Australia has only about 2,000 Scientologists.

Whether the new center is needed or not, Miscavige has paid $37 million (about $32 million US) for a 1987 building that previously housed the National Acoustic Laboratory and Ultrasonics Institute outside of Sydney.

For years, developers tried to turn the property into a residential project but ran into opposition from the local government. Now, Scientology has submitted its plans for the Advanced Org, and public comment is open as Scientology’s request for a zoning change is considered.

We have the plans that Scientology has submitted. And here’s what we think is the most amazing statement in them. In a traffic study, Scientology’s consultants note that the church estimates that its new facility will have 290 staff servicing some 170 parishioners.

But then the consultants measured how many people were using the current facilities that the new Advanced Org is meant to replace, and they found that the numbers were actually somewhat lower…

“At any given time, the maximum accumulation of staff and parishioners would be some 220 staff and 87 parishioners. These occur from 9:00 am to 9:00 pm.”

 
NorthSydneyTraffic

 
And note, that’s a maximum of people who are currently showing up at the center in Dundas, which this new building north of Sydney will replace.

That’s a pretty stark admission about Scientology’s notion of what justifies an expensive new center: A $37 million, 130,000-square-foot project for taking care of the needs of 87 parishioners.

Here, see for yourself. Here’s the traffic study that Scientology submitted for project approval…

 

Scientology North Sydney AO Project Traffic Study

 
We also noted that Scientology’s consultants and the people who live near the project were told only very vague things about what happens at an Advanced Org. “Ecclesiastical” this and “theological” that.

We imagine that none of them were told that what actually happens at an Advanced Org is exorcism, at hundreds of dollars an hour. It’s in the “operating thetan” levels (OT 3 to OT 7) that Scientologists spend months at a time removing unseen entities from themselves with the use of auditing. Those of us who are not high-level Scientologists can do nothing about the hundreds or thousands of unseen, disembodied space alien souls (called “Body Thetans”) which are stuck inside and around us. But lucky upper-level Scientologists can spend tens of thousands of dollars per level to chase their body thetans away.

We will admit that removing body thetans probably won’t add much to Sydney’s traffic or impact it environmentally, so Scientology is probably in good there.

We’re curious to know what kind of impact public comment might have on Scientology’s proposal. The locals sound like they’re so relieved that the old Lab building is going to be reused rather than leveled for condos that they might not ask too many tough questions about what Scientology plans to do with it.

In the meantime, here are more of the documents submitted by Scientology:

Operations plan
Community consultation report
Property plan (theological studies!)
Side view architectural plan

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on November 4, 2014 at 07:00

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  • DodoTheLaser
    • Pierrot

      Please note that because of the time change to EST, and that we are staying put in SAfrica, I will not be posting any reminder at the end of the afternoon or early evening (EST) as it will be past midnight for me. Can one of you kind RedXer help Panopea during the afternoon and evening.

      Juicer, Ap ? any volunteer ? just a reminder with the link to google doc!

      • Hamtaro

        Hi Pierrot,
        Line item #73 on the 4 day list is the {{{warning}}} counter ad.

        • Robert Eckert

          So is #181

  • Elar Aitch

    Can’t wait to get to the place in the traffic report where they talk about OT abilities easing any parking problems

    • DodoTheLaser

      It really depends on whether or not the ideal parking lots are in compliance with IRS.

      • EnthralledObserver

        IRS = ATO 🙂 I don’t think the IRS has any say or comment to make with this… 😉

        • NOLAGirl

          They don’t have much to say about anything these days and believe me, it is not for lack of me poking them with sticks. Hehehe!!

          I’m sticking with my notion that they’re watching Co$ fall apart and will be there to pick the carcass clean when the lawyers & ex-members are done. 🙂

  • DodoTheLaser

    $37 million for a building to serve only 87 people?
    Happens all the time. I think.

    • NOLAGirl

      I think Dave really likes Australia. Too bad they have a solid extradition treaty with the US. 🙂

    • Silence of the Clams

      With spending like that, I’m saying Davey has a future in government.

      • Elar Aitch

        As a government worker, I’ll take that on the chin.

        • Silence of the Clams

          Don’t worry, not as a worker but as one of the idiots that overlays for toilet seats.

    • And is the word “serve” really an appropriate synonym for “swindled?”

  • NOLAGirl

    Citizens of Sydney, talk to the citizens of Clearwater. It all seems like a good idea early on. They promise to follow all the rules and “Oh no, we won’t break any traffic laws or cause any problems”. That’s until you give them the ok, then your wog laws mean nothing to them.

    Not to worry though, they’ll be fundraising for this buildings renovations until some poor donor forces them to open it with a lawsuit. Even then it will sit empty, as do they all. Davey’s little shopping spree was for nothing more than show to keep his whales happy and flowing money into his pockets.

    • Stacy

      Yeah, all the people worried about car overflow are worried over nothing.

    • Sid

      And think of all the money they will bring into the local economy. Millions of dollars. Yes, they will shop at the local stores. Crime will go down. Your town will get a new theme song called Kumbaya. Rejoice! Scientology will create an island of sanity with you in the middle.

      • NOLAGirl

        Someone is OSA is writing that in a speech or press release for that area as we speak. Hehe! 🙂

        • Sid

          I live to serve.

    • i-Betty

      Also: the trees!

  • HillieOnTheBeach

    “The locals sound like they’re so relieved that the old Lab building is going to be reused…”

    The locals maybe should be made aware that the building being reused at all is far from given. Tearing the abandoned building down years from now from neglect and disrepair is its likeliest fate.

    • The clock is ticking on a fair number of properties that CoS bought in 2007, but have left abandoned since then. Eventually the lack of maintainance and disuse are going to start catching up with them in a big way.

    • And that is after the city issues the crime syndicate fines and citations for the crumbling building, all of which the crooks will ignore. You know, because they’re a “religion.”

  • i-Betty

    I might be a little bit late with this. I’ve only just noticed that it was posted late yesterday – thank you! 🙂 Also, you might be sick of everything to do with that dawn raid by now! If not, Pete asks me to discuss what we did to get inside the grounds, the precautions we had to take, and why we were certain Miscavige was on site that morning.

    More Scientology: Pete chats with Andrea: http://youtu.be/hOiCXUsKAt4

    • NOLAGirl

      Now I’m going to feel stupid calling you Betty, Andrea. 🙂

      • Juicer77
        • NOLAGirl

          Hehehehe!! Ma’am Yes Ma’am! 🙂

        • i-Betty

          That’s so funny! I love those badly dubbed piss-takes 😀

        • HappypantsDance

          OMG, that is some of the worst acting I’ve ever seen! HA! So of course I now want to see that movie. I love the stuff that’s so awful it’s good, like Tommy Wiseau’s The Room. I even subscribe to a “worst movies ever” channel on Roku. I can’t help it.

          • i-Betty

            There is a “worst movies ever” channel on Roku? That’s my wet Tuesday afternoon sorted!

            • HappypantsDance

              It’s littered with adverts, sadly, but yeah. The movies are B-list (and worse) sci-fi, horror, and mystery. Fun stuff! 😀 it’s called “Really Bad Movie.”

      • Peter

        I won’t forget that one. My fave sister’s name. 🙂

      • i-Betty

        A beautiful name for a beautiful person 🙂 And you can call me whichever you prefer.

        I did the same thing on here a year or so ago: someone had posted such a sad account of their child’s forced disconnection and I wanted to sign my reply with my real name so they would know how sincere I was.

        Like you, I genuinely think of it as two fingers to OSA now. 😀

        • NOLAGirl

          My ‘sharks’ have at least three or four rows of teeth. Come at me Co$. 🙂

          BTW, I’m just now hearing how your brother came to your mind and inspired you. My Dad and other members of my family do that for me when I’m feeling afraid of something. They give us that kick in the ass we need sometimes. 🙂

    • Elar Aitch

      Sick of the dawn raid? Nevah!

      • i-Betty

        Hooray! Do you think it’s unrealistic of me to hope for a Bunker-wide March on Flag one day? With Baby at the head in a cheerleader costume, and me bringing up the rear with the cake trolley? I like to think it would be nice for them to see what a lot of people looks like.

        • Elar Aitch

          I’m not sure if we could all get together physically, but I would like one day to have real identities for people – real names, what people look like 🙂 Once the cult is well and truly nobbled.

          • MaxSpaceman

            Happypants suggested a massive Skype conference call- that would be grand if could be pulled off !

        • Stacy

          I for one would love to do that!

        • HappypantsDance

          I’m in! A “Bunker March” sounds so awesome! Even a great big Skype conference call with faces and voices of folks would be sweet. I know haven’t been posting long here, but I’ve been reading Tony’s work and all the comments since the “Running Scared” VV days, which makes so many of you here long-time parts of my daily life. Hanging out even virtually just seems like a logical next step.

          • i-Betty

            It feels like you’ve been here forever. I think most of us here started out by just observing and reading and researching before we got up the courage to make our first post here or at the VV. I don’t think it’s the case any more, but even a couple of years ago, as a never-in, it felt like what you had to say wasn’t as important as what the exes and indies were talking about, so there was a bit of a barrier to break through to be accepted. That’s how it felt at the time, anyway, but it’s not like that any more because so many never-ins are really well respected now. Look at Obs, Bury, John P, Howdy, Sherb – and so many more people who are the roots of this place.

            • HappypantsDance

              It was the chorus of never-in voices alongside those of patient and gracious exes willing to explain things that made me feel at home, even when I didn’t post for whatever reason (there was no “one” reason). I thought Bury and Howdy were both exes, though; I’m stunned to learn they’re not! How I missed that info I don’t know.

            • Sherbet

              Howdy has a sister who’s been firmly entrenched in an official sci role for some 30-40 years. I think that was his main reason for studying the cult.

            • HappypantsDance

              Ah, thanks for that; it explains why he seemed to be an ex himself. Having anyone that close be in allows for knowledge someone like I couldn’t have, at least not as lived experience. My friend who was in wasn’t in long and didn’t get caught up in the madness; in fact, she left because of the madness. Besides which, I was closer to her sister, so I wasn’t getting details that someone close would get. But I’m not here “for” her specifically; I’m here because of the human rights atrocities and would be even if I didn’t know anyone who’d been in. Her being in got me looking, but I kept looking, and began enturbulating, because of all that I found.

            • Elar Aitch

              And the rest is history!

            • HappypantsDance

              😀

            • Sherbet

              Amazing, isn’t it, Happy? It’s a jaw-dropping horror show.

            • Sherbet

              Thanks for the shout out, IBetty. I don’t do much except crack wise, and I admire those who do a lot more than that. You, for example. Hugs.

            • Eclipse-girl

              Wise cracking is important. It keeps the morale up and breaks the tension. It is a good thing that you do.

            • Sherbet

              Thanks, E-girl. I do my best! The Bunker is a terrific audience. I do hope I say intelligent things, too, now and then.

            • Stacy

              Very intelligent, and often ☺️

            • Sherbet

              Thank you, Stacy.

            • Stacy

              You’ve offered unprompted support which indicates wonderful empathy (and is appreciated by me) and your comments are frequently humorous and/or insightful. What more could the Bunker ask for?

            • Sherbet

              An end to scientology!

            • Stacy

              An end to scientology! Cheers!

            • i-Betty

              Agreed, Sherb rocks 🙂

            • Sherbet

              Aw, gee, I’m blushing.

            • Erica

              I’ve been following The Bunker religiously since Tom and Katie’s break up, and I haven’t looked back! My friends and family I think find this a little strange but never the less will ask me what’s “new” in the scientology world and I’m happy to oblige! I am continuously interested in what’s new around me, and happy to move on to the next thing once I tire of it. But with Scientology it’s different, my interest only grows stronger and I wish there was a way I could get personally involved. Even though I don’t comment very often, I have great affection and respect for all the bunkerites alike (both ex and never in’s like myself) I look forward to the downfall of this soul destroying cult but NOT to my morning tea minus my Underground Bunker, as someday I imagine there won’t be a cult to even write about.

        • John P.

          If you guys schedule a Bunker-wide march on Flag, let me know and I’ll toss a bunch of the supermodels on the Global Capitalism HQ jet and send them down to augment the cheerleader costume section. If the work schedule permits, I may even join in myself.

          Edited to add: I’m offering to join in the march in an Anon mask, not offering to join in the cheerleading section. I leave that to the professionals.

          • i-Betty

            That would be an amazing honour, thank you! Please tell the girls that it would be my pleasure to give them a ride on the cake trolley at any point throughout the March 😀

    • EnthralledObserver

      Listening to this now… iBetty, you colour the tragedy of the futures of these poor slaves trapped in the CO$ and your experience at the protests so vividly. I don’t have the opportunity to see it for myself, as most of the action happens too far away from me, so I’m glad of your account. Your empathy for them is so evident too. Thank you for representing the ‘never-ins’ (like me) so well in the protest against the evil cult. 🙂

      • i-Betty

        Ahh, thank you EO, that’s a lovely thing to say. Everything changes when you’re face to face with these people and you’re forced to see the human suffering behind all the razzmatazz. As loud and funny as John McGhee is, his empathy for these people is so obvious in moments such as noticing how unwell the old guy was and talking gently and kindly to him. You can’t help it; it’s difficult to J&D in the face of such misery.

    • NOLAGirl

      This is how I feel listening to you talk about protesting hon. 🙂 (F5)

      • i-Betty

        Me, too 🙂

    • Newiga

      You have such a cute accent i-Betty! Hearing it makes me miss living in the UK.

      • i-Betty

        That’s lovely of you to say, thank you 🙂 But let me remind you why you probably left: I’m looking out of my window at dark grey clouds which are hovering approximately 14 inches above the ground and emptying 7 years of rain on our heads simply because it’s November and it’s England 😀

        • Newiga

          You hit the nail right in the head… “Always stays the same, English Spring/Summer/Autumn/Winter rain” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nl7ir53Zndc
          I lost count how many “brollies” I broke when it was raining and windy. 😉

          • MaxSpaceman

            The North Sea weather patterns are amazingly volatile. Lived in The Netherlands and Belgium for years and was continually startled by the quick shift from sunny to rainy happening at any time- so quickly! (loved it though, as living in EU for this US of A’er was delightful)

    • flyonthewall

      So cool you guys got a spot on otviiisgrr8. Listening to it now.

      • i-Betty

        I roared with laughter when Jeff posted the link last night. I truly believe a spot on OTViiiisgr8! is the pinnacle of all pinnacles. He is the Everest of satire, the Nile of piss-taking, he is my God and I worship at his RTC altar!

        • flyonthewall

          Hey, I sacrificed my first born son to him, I know where you’re coming from. The Onion should give him a guest spot for sure. CoS special correspondent has a nice ring to it

    • Stacy

      Hearing about the planning for the raid and your description of what was going on is as fascinating as watching the videos of the raids.

      Thanks again i-Betty! Great work

    • Sherbet

      When I listen to Pete, I speak in an Irish accent for about an hour afterwards. I can’t help it. It grabs me, like a body thetan.

    • Jo

      Thanks i-Betty. Mr Jo and I loved your chat with Pete.

      • i-Betty

        I’m so pleased to hear it! 🙂

  • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

    37 million dollars most tragically to me, was that “we” knew the Gold Base is on a fault line spur of the San Andreas or other nearby fault that had a major earthquake last century, 1900s!

    So for me, that planning was seriously short range flawed in all cases. The 37 million building is flimsy and guaranteed to be a complete or nearly complete wreck in the next major earthquake, even if it’s 75 years from now.

    It was wrong to put that kind of money towards a building that will inevitably ne shook into heavy damage when the next big earthquake comes down that spur vault line!

    That goes for any other overspending on buildings there.

    The frugalness (not) of spending on things in Scientology’s history recently these last several decades under David Miscavige’s leadership has been questionable and excessive.

    I don’t subscribe to this wasting of donations, people who supported Scientology financially should not have their money wasted, the only good has been the money filtered back into society through the building trades and materials, good for that.

    I think the building funding planning needs some input honestly from the members of Scientology.

    The members go along with whatever they hear from “command” David Miscavige.

    It ought to be thought out from the members, but that is the problem with Scientology. It is absolutely only long range in their minds (Billion Year Contract, Sea Org galactic long range purposes).

    In reality they are short ranged and excessive overspending for more building space than they need, and this property on the fault line is a really long term massive waste!

    Chuck Beatty
    ex Sea Org 1975-2003
    PS My first wife was CS-3 and Flag FBO, I witnessed and heard a lot of the top money dealings indirectly personally, my first wife made the yearly visits to the banks in EU where the stashes were kept to do the yearly “look see” to ensure the stashes were still there! LOL!)

    • grundoon

      How about giving tours of the bank vaults? The OTs and Humanitarians would love to drop in for a quick visit with the money that once was theirs, to contemplate how much good their donations are bringing about in the world, and hold up their IAS trophies next to the stacked gold bars to see which sparkles brightest.

      • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

        Brilliant funny image that should be put into a cartoon!

  • Sidney18511

    I think that DM who is surrounded by his own brainwashed followers truly believes that the rest of the world can also become turned into followers. I’m sure his plans includ millions of dollars of TV advertising when his ideal orgs are done. Being surrounded in his little bubble by so many malleable people, he thinks everyone is like that.

    • NOLAGirl

      I think in his delusion he probably has moments of that. But if he were truly nutty all the time, he wouldn’t bother to hide it, he has some sense that the things he does are wrong or he wouldn’t go through all the trouble of shell corporations, money hidden in other countries and avoiding process servers.

      Our wee little one does love his little kingdom, but in his narcissistic fantasy world, it’s everyone else’s (wogs, members…everyone but him) fault why his dreams of…..whatever….haven’t come to fruition.

      • Stacy

        I think he is nutty all the time. Knowing he’s breaking the law but doing it anyway is part of the delusional reality DM lives in.

        • NOLAGirl

          That’s what makes him a sociopath/narcissist. He does know it’s wrong, he just doesn’t care. ; )

  • George Layton

    Table 4.2 110 parishioners arrive–109 parishioners leave?!? what happens to the 110th parishioner?

    • i-Betty

      Gulp.

    • Eivol Ekdal

      He broke a deal and had to face the wheel.

    • Silence of the Clams

      Um….hello? It’s Ron of course. Straight in from target two..

    • Eclipse-girl

      They snatched the 110th and forced the person to join the Sea Org.
      No one will ever see that 110th person again.

    • Number 110 was a forced abortion. 🙁

    • grundoon

      And what kind of ecclesiastical research requires heavily soundproofed laboratories in a cement blockhouse?

  • Elar Aitch

    Visitation accumulation (sounds like a fancy term for BTs) data on page 9 of the report shows parishioners for the most part claim they are at the Dundas and Glebe facilities 9 to 6 on the day in question. Not staff – parishioners. On a work day. Wonder how many time the consultants asked for clarification about those figures. There is no mass of after work arrivals on the Friday for parishioners.

    This might be an unsual case fr a traffic report where the organisation is trying to maximise its traffic impact rather than understate it.

    Also, the RMS letter states that bus arrival and departure times must be staggered to avoid buses queuing on the avenue. The visitation accumulation data (those BTs again) show that for the most part staff arrive at one time and leave at one time.

    • I find it amusing that the consultants used the word “parishioners.” 🙂 That cracks me up. 🙂

      • Elar Aitch

        Clams would sound unprofessional

  • i-Betty

    I know we talk a lot about the bottomless pockets of Scientology but these are huge sums to be flinging around on vanity projects. Does anybody have a link to John P’s excellent analysis on the tipping point for the CoS’ finances, the article he did analysing what would have to occur for their financial demise to take place?

    Am I right in thinking they’re still obligated to pay property tax on all these behemoths?

  • Dr_Orpheus

    There may only be 87 potential customers right now, but in this era of 47X expansion there will soon be 4089 customers and 192,183 soon after that!!!!! Unless some SPs, sabotage COB’s valiant battle to clear the planet.

    • April

      Methinks that Davey Boy may have watched the movie “Field of Dreams” once too many times. Someone should tell the dumbass that “if we build it, they will come” only works in the movies, or if you’re building something people actually *want.*

    • i-Betty

      Who knew we would squeeze so much hilarity and comedy value out of just one number? 😛

      • Eclipse-girl

        my favority number of late is “Eleventy Billion.”

        • Dr_Orpheus

          I’ve heard that used before on this forum, but where does it appear in Scientologyland.

          • Sherbet

            It may have originated with one of J. Swift’s spoofs. It’s the number of worldwide scientologists, dontcha know.

            • Dr_Orpheus

              I should have recognized that since I read OTVIIIisgr8888.

            • Sherbet

              I’m not positive he started it, but he’s got that kind of wit.

      • Dr_Orpheus

        I multiplied two Scientology numbers, so that makes me on Source twice!!!!!

  • anti-niblet

    http://nypost.com/2014/11/02/the-secret-society-cult-that-operates-out-of-murray-hill/

    Story of “secret” cult in NYC, so many cults so little time. When does it end?

    • It must get kind of crowded at times, although I think the JWs moved out to New Jersey.

      “Oh, the caged whale. You want the Elucidated Brethren of the Ebon Night. Three doors down.”
      — Guards! Guards! by Terry Pratchett

    • Stacy

      Kids aren’t considered to be human beings until age 13. Sheesh! What a justification for child abuse. That’s awful!

    • LHS

      “She noted [cult leader] Baer’s repeated, odd mispronunciation of ‘awry’ as ­’ow-ree.'”

      But does he know how to pronounce “galaxy” correctly?

  • Narapoid

    Some 3 acres of climate-controlled spaces for 87 parishioners? Sounds legit. Make them make it happen or kill them with shame and sec-checks. The power bills for that industrial building would be horrendous, if the Cult were to last that long in Australia.

    Keep doin’ what you’re doin’, SOB of the RTC. No one could crash this damned thing and chase people out faster than you.

    Hey OSA: word clear “Schadenfreude”.

  • Robert Eckert

    “We will admit that removing body thetans probably won’t add much to Sydney’s traffic or impact it environmentally” Tens of thousands of angry disembodied alien spirits floating around looking for new meat sacks to take over and afflict with mental ruins? It has done a lot of harm to the environs of Clearwater! Just follow the “Florida Man” tweets for the evidence.

    http://offthebeat.blogs.tcpalm.com/2014/10/28/man-bares-more-than-soul-in-spiritual-calling-in-port-st-lucie/

    When Port St. Lucie police encountered Keith Berfield, 56, on Oct. 17, the only thing he had on was “a large metal ring around his testicles,” according to recently released records.
    Asked why he was outside naked, Berfield said he felt a “spiritual calling.”
    He said he’d been “called” to his back porch and further “moved” or “called” outside where he noticed “strange things in the sky.”

    “The defendant (Berfield) could not describe what he meant by strange things but stated that he has been seeing this for the past several days and that standing in the driveway naked with officers was deja vu,” a report states.

    http://members.jacksonville.com/news/crime/2014-10-30/story/jax-reared-teletubbie-nabbed-ice-box-heist

    A Jacksonville man is facing charges after breaking into a friend’s Pennsylvania home while wearing a yellow Teletubby costume and stealing leftover food.

    Dressed as the Laa-Laa character from the BBC children’s series, Terez S. Owens Jr., 20 — a student at Lehigh University from Jacksonville — damaged a door early Sunday in Bethlehem, according to police. They say he went into the friend’s refrigerator and dumped Chinese food into a “man purse” before leaving.
    http://www.local10.com/news/robbery-suspect-arrested-after-returning-to-gas-station-deputies-say/29233506
    According to the report, Sims repeatedly masturbated while in the interview room despite numerous warnings from deputies to stop. Sims eventually had to be placed in handcuffs to get him to stop.

    Follow https://twitter.com/_FloridaMan

    • LOL! Floriduh, almost as dumb as Texans. 🙂

  • Hamtaro

    I think everyone can see where this is all heading. Eventually, there will only be one public left and DM will be his God. DM will tell him he needs a check for $1 billion dollars before Thursday at 2pm to finally complete planetary clearing. The last Scientologist will dutifully write that check, because DM has promised him first position on the pilot program for OTXV.

    That Friday night, when the two of them attend a very special awards ceremony at the otherwise empty Ideal Pacifica Bridge Auditorium, DM will present to the last Scientologist his trophy: the keys to his own Maximus with Honors Ideal Org situated in a exclusive gated community. After the celebration, Bob Duggan will go to his personal Org, gaze with pride at the ornate plaque on the door, use the key, turn on the lights and exclaim “WTF? This is MY old house!”

    • Sid

      Duggan will keep flicking the light switch fruitlessly as the power had been shut off due to non-payment by DM.

  • BosonStark

    Sure, it’s 37 million, but think of the money they can reg for to fix it up. I’m telling you, this project is a gold mine for the cult. Gina Rinehart, whose money (17.7B, richest person in Australia) is in mining, will be waiting at the door to help out with this.

    When I heard about this, I couldn’t believe it. With that much money, they could have built LRH Hall in a year. I guess maybe the whole unfathomableness of the idea really excites the clams. Maybe they should open an Org on the moon.

  • 1subgenius

    The ratio of staff to “parishioners” is hilarious.

    • BosonStark

      We can expect that ratio to increase also. Scientology is veering in the direction of a cult of deluded lowly-paid slaves, largely devoted to PR, whale-milking, and whale-stroking. Their shared vision is that only Dr. Hubtard revealed all the answers which can save this planet.

      They will need to keep recruiting staff from 3rd world countries to keep up the illusion Scientology is successful. They’ll just keep promoting staff positions and Sea Org to the poor people, as the only REAL way you can be a Scientologist.

      Meanwhile, the middle class, including disenfranchised college students continue to drop away, because they are doing their research on the Internet.

  • E4 Anonymous

    $$$cientology is a DEMONIC CULT and a school for psychopaths – a place SATAN calls home! Take a Christian cross and cross it out and you have a $$$cientology cross that was created by the self confessed SATANIST Aleister Crowley (The Beast, 666)

    • April

      Dude, calm down and put your tinfoil hat back on. There’s plenty of legitimate aspects of scientology to criticize without bringing demonology into the mix. LRH was a wannabe, dillentante satanist anyway and Crowley wanted nothing to do with him.

    • flyonthewall

      Crowley was not a satanist

      • Artoo45

        Oh fly, your reason will not work against . . . ALL CAPS!!!!!!! (cue dramatic music and thunderclap)

        • flyonthewall

          SP’s are powerless against ALL CAP tech. You have shuddered me into silence. Starting….now

      • Todd Tomorrow

        I thought that was his angle to get cash out of people when he was broke. And isn’t that what he wanted to be known as?

        • flyonthewall

          It is indeed but it is just an image thing. To create a rep for himself and “shock the squares”, like a Marilyn Manson type schtick. OTO and Crowley did indeed have ambitions to land some rich sucker who would keep Crowley in the style and comfort he was accustomed. I’m not a Crowleyite or Thelema follower, it’s just annoying when people throw labels and terms around they don’t even understand. If you asked this E4 clown to explain the difference between Satanism and Thelema to you he would have no idea what you’re talking about. It’s just annoying

    • There are no “demons” in Scientology, you’re thinking of Christianity. Dumbfuck moron.

    • daytoncapri

      If you can find like-minded people to fight Scientology, then go for it. Try to keep your fact straights while you are at it.

  • Stacy

    Citizens are concerned that they’ll be able to continue accessing the bush land preserve surrounding the property. Am I correct in assuming the CoS will attempt to limit access as much as possible, despite whatever reassurances they’re doling out now?

  • flyonthewall

    Great new article on Scientology Money Project – http://scientologymoneyproject.com/2014/11/04/the-scientology-mafia-wall-chart/ . Here’s a couple of my favorite quotes ” The Church is a madhouse and an asylum awash in legal fictions and dirty laundry” and ” RICO was the answer to the Mafia, and, I believe, is the answer to the Church of Scientology.”

    • NOLAGirl

      I love me some Uncle Rico. 🙂

      (love and credit to whichever Bunkerite came up with that name, it escapes me at the moment, I use it regularly)

  • Robert Eckert

    To all Bunkeroos in the US: don’t forget!

    https://s.yimg.com/uu/api/res/1.2/DWOXDrP_c8gD..Y7eJ9hYg–/YXBwaWQ9eXRhY2h5b24-/http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/News/ucomics.com/crbc141104.gif

    • deathtoallpoliticians

      yeah yeah. get out and vote. blah blah blah. ok, maybe when there is a decent candidate to vote for. I am sick of the old “lesser of 2 evils” cliche. we, the american electorate, deserve better than what our crappy and totally ineffectual 2 party system keeps propping up as their candidates…

      • Robert Eckert

        For you, I’ll make an exception. Please stay home.

        • deathtoallpoliticians

          if only I could vote you out, mr. eckert. that is a platform I could most certainly support. have a great day.

          • Robert Eckert

            I am in not in office. Have a shitty day.

            • deathtoallpoliticians

              an observation: you are consistently rude to me whenever i post here. i do not know what i ever did to you but ever since i became a bunkerite it is like i have personally wronged you in some way and you have carried a grudge ever since. at every opportunity, you insult me in some way. my comments are always responsive to your comments. i never attack you like you seem to enjoy doing to me. well, whatever. i am over it and you. once again, have a great day.

            • Robert Eckert

              I pointed out that your name is inappropriate here, and that you use more appropriate names elsewhere. You took that as an excuse to launch a long-running feud and to stalk me on other boards, where you copied the post of a stalker who has been banned here.

            • flyonthewall

              eesh, seriously? I think we have a candidate for the new mayor of creepville

            • deathtoallpoliticians

              not to continue this but, yes, i have used “r2-45 for all wogs” on otviiiisgrrr8’s website. what other screen names are you referring to? also, exactly what message did i copy and paste from a banned former bunkerite to attack you? and what other websites did i stalk you? and what screen name did i use for that? i have only known you since i posted on the bunker. and then you immediately began your ad hominem tirades and grudge against me assuming, and wrongly so, that i was said former banned bunkerite. it is time to clear this up, mr. eckert, and i want to know as your hostility is a complete and utter mystery to me. btw, many people have complimented me on my screen name. given the current state of american politics and the general mood of the electorate, it is entirely appropriate. if you do not feel so, so be it. but that is a minor issue here. let’s focus on the others that i have enunciated please.

            • Robert Eckert

              “not to continue this but…” In other words, “to continue this…”

              “what other screen names are you referring to?” When you showed up here, you said you were the same person as DMSCOHB on Mike Rinder’s blog. So I asked why you didn’t use that name here, rather than a name calling for mass murder, and that sent you off on a tirade that has never really stopped.

              “exactly what message did i copy and paste from a banned former bunkerite to attack you? ” I e-mailed the screen-shot of you reposting one of jeff lifter’s posts to Tony. I am certainly not going to repost it here.

              “and what other websites did i stalk you?” It was on Hollywood Reporter. The conversation had nothing whatsoever to do with Scientology.

              “and what screen name did i use for that?” deathtoallpoliticians. It is a Disqus site, and you were posting using the exact same account you are using right now. Apparently you forgot that you were not logged in as lifter1968 or whichever account was then used for the “lifter” persona.

              ” i have only known you since i posted on the bunker. and then you immediately began your ad hominem tirades” I told you that your screen name is inappropriate. That is still true.

              “btw, many people have complimented me on my screen name. given the current state of american politics and the general mood of the electorate, it is entirely appropriate” On a board discussing politics, maybe. My opinion is that people like you are to blame for the current state of American politics, but that is a discussion for somewhere else.

            • deathtoallpoliticians

              you are correct. i do use “dmscohb” for rinder’s website (i use it there because of the documentary wherein rinder quoted dwarvenfuhrer using said acronym). i totally forgot. it has been a while since i posted there. perhaps you could post some of my tirade for me since i never went off on such about my screen name. i simply gave you my explanation. it was never “yelling” or harassment” as you seem to think. i will admit that, after reading many, many of your comments about my screen name, that i did get real testy to you. but it did not start out that way. once again, it all started out with a simple explanation as to why i use said screen name. you just could never get over it. prove me wrong though. provide the quotes. good luck with that; you will need it. what jeff lifter post are you talking about? you are going to have to be more specific rather than the generalities you are providing…perhaps you mean the one with the post about mr. ortega and village voice that an osa agent posted here? if so, you will recall that i disagreed with it and posted as much. maybe you mean something different. once again, quote me. good luck with that; you will need it. hollywood reporter, huh? yes, it is entirely possible i did post there (i have also posted on a mormon website via disqus using deathtoallpoliticians). however, since you did not provide the quotes i can assure you that it was in response to something you posted and was initially about the content of your post, not to engage in ad hominem attacks against you. if i did get personal, it was because your response back to me warranted as much. hey, i could be wrong but i doubt it. one thing i am absolutely not wrong about is your baseless and unfounded accusations about this lifter68 guy. i am not him. get it through your skull. i have never been logged in as such because that is not me. i was born in 1976. further, i have never heard of this lifter guy besides from your baseless and unfounded accusations. you are simply making up the lifter accusations to try and get me banned. you are dead wrong. get over it. once again, without the quotes, it is rather difficult to accurately dispute your generalities. i could care less what you think of my screen name. it is not going to change absent a request from mr. ortega. live with it. as for everything else you posted, give me some quotes and/or “evidence” to work with here. btw, unlike you, i judge a comment by the content, not the poster. that is why i have up-voted several of your comments. have you ever up-voted anything i have ever posted? and don’t say that everything i have posted does not deserve it. i have done lots of legal analysis, poetic work and the such that many other fellow bunkerites have enjoyed.

            • Robert Eckert

              “perhaps you mean the one with the post about mr. ortega and village voice that an osa agent posted here? ” No, it was a conversation on Hollywood Reporter that had nothing to with Scientology whatsoever. You jumped in posting obscene abuse against me, replicating a post which had earlier been posted on Radar Online by “Jeff Cigar”.

            • deathtoallpoliticians

              you are going to have to be far more specific then you are being, mr. eckert, if you expect me to admit that i am wrong on this point. i just googled “mediabistro” and i do not recall ever visiting (obviously including posting) such a website. it is a washington dc job site and i have never been to dc or anywhere close to such an area. nor have i ever looked for jobs in that area. it just doesn’t coincide with my new england background or values. further, i do not know anyone in that area. therefore, you have totally mistaken me for somebody else, ie jeff cigar. i have never heard of, nor obviously used, any such screen name. keep in mind, my screen names always have a special meaning and i have never, ever used my actual name. you are going to have to provide this/these comment(s)…and i expect you to click on my avatar and pull it from disqus and not try to recall it from memory. good luck on that, though, you will need it. as i stated before, you have totally mistaken me for somebody else.

            • Robert Eckert

              “you are going to have to provide this/these comment(s).” I provided the screenshot to Tony when the posting occurred. The screenshot is still preserved, in my e-mail’s sent-box and probably also in Tony’s e-mail in-box. I’m sure you have gone back and erased the post, but there is no purpose in lying to me about it, when both I and you know that you are lying.

            • deathtoallpoliticians

              you are absolutely wrong. and, if i was lying, don’t you think mr. ortega would have banned me? that just goes to show that you are wrong as i am still a member of the bunker community and still posting. that alone should show you that mr. ortega does not believe you; you have failed in your burden of proof and that you are, in fact, wrong. why is it so hard for you to admit that you are wrong? i am wrong all of the time and will be wrong many more times before i am dust scattered into the wind. but i am not wrong here. i am not jeff lifter, lifter68 or whomever you seem to think, without proper justification, evidence and/or proof, that i am.

            • Robert Eckert

              ” if i was lying, don’t you think mr. ortega would have banned me?” He uses the ban power very infrequently. He rarely moderates, either. This is part of what everyone appreciates about him.

              “i am still a member of the bunker community and still posting” It is his prerogative to let you stay and I respect that. So, I do not read or pay attention to your posts, until you decided to start it up with me.

              “that alone should show you that mr. ortega does not believe you” No, it simply means that he does not ban based on your misconduct on other boards. He also knows that after he deleted your rape post from the Bunker that you went and posted it on YouTube under your “Frank Serpico” sock. But as long as it was deleted from his own board he doesn’t care how noxiously you post elsewhere.

              ” i am not jeff lifter, lifter68 or whomever you seem to think” Either you simply copied his post, or you share the ‘deathtoallpoliticians’ account with a stable of trolls.

            • deathtoallpoliticians

              wow. such hatred and for no good cause. you have provided no evidence or proof. just think about it, mr. eckert. had you decently made your case, let’s give you a break on your burden of proof, to even beyond a preponderance of the evidence (and not clear and convincing evidence or, the highest level, of beyond a doubt), mr. ortega would have sided with you. you say that mr. ortega does not ban posters but since i have been a bunkerite, i have witnessed no less than 3 people being banned. you would think that if i were the infamous lifter, cigar, or whomever you claim i secretly am (your allegations seem to increase and change with every post) and you had evidence and/or proof, i would be banned. but you have failed on all counts. further, you claim to have screen shots and other “proof”. well, i want to see them. please send them to my email account at lawdog69@hotmail.com. i want to see what you are talking about. it is rather tough to fight allegations that i know nothing about or are simply recalled from your memory. and, in case you have forgotten, you started this little internet “flame” war with me because you did not like my screen name. go back and check the posts, mr. eckert. at first, i tried to explain why i use deathtoallpoliticians. however, you refused to accept my explanation and hounded me like a rabid dog over it. at that point, yes, i did get ad hominem with you. i can only take so much from an internet tough guy, so to speak. while we are on this issue, other bunkerites besides me, including mr. ortega, took issue with your self-issued role of bunker police dog when you came after me once i started posting. do you remember mr. ortega commenting on that very issue? and wtf “rape post” are you talking about. further, wtf “frank serpico” account are you referencing? i have never used such an account nor screen name. i have to ask again, do you have any proof or evidence or are you simply (and wrongly) assuming? remember what they say about assuming, ie it makes an arse of you. to the best of my knowledge, i have deathtoallpoliticans registered as my google, youtube and disqus screen name. if someone else has such on a separate website, so be it. but that is not me (although i do try to register it on every site i am on…the only exceptions i can think of are: 1. msn since they won’t allow “death” to be in any screen name. there, i am registered as “exileallpoliticians”, 2. mike rinder’s website where i am registered as “dmscohb” and 3. jeff augustine’s otviiiisgrrr8 website where i am registered as “r2-45 for all wogs”. however, there is a note on my google screen name: i had to actually register it as “deathto” and then a space “allpoliticians” since it had to be in the form of a first and last name). i have to ask at this point: isn’t it possible you are wrong about me? will you at least admit that?

            • Robert Eckert

              “you have provided no evidence or proof.” It should not be necessary to provide you evidence of your own actions. You know you made the post, of course, since you made it. I know you know you made the post, and you know that that I know it Your persistent lying about it is utterly pointless.

              “you say that mr. ortega does not ban posters” No, I said he RARELY bans posters, and that in your case he did not choose to ban you for off-board conduct.

              ” i have witnessed no less than 3 people being banned” Are you unaware how remarkably low that number is, for a board which attracts trolls so frequently?

              “you claim to have screen shots and other “proof”. well, i want to see them. please send them to my email account at lawdog69@hotmail.com” I have done so. You should of course be aware that it was sent from my throwaway e-mail that I don’t look at much, so don’t bother flooding it with spam.

              “you started this little internet “flame” war with me because you did not like my screen name” It was not a “flame” war until you made it such. I do not think a screen name advocating mass murder is appropriate for a board that is not talking about politicians at all.

              ” i tried to explain why i use deathtoallpoliticians. however, you refused to accept my explanation ” Yes, you explain that you have this murderous hatred of politicians for various political reasons which have nothing whatsoever to do with the topic at the Bunker. Trolls seeking to deflect the topic off onto other subjects are frequent, and Tony generally leaves it to the community to run them off.

              “do you remember mr. ortega commenting on that very issue?” Yes, he said it was time to stop the troll hunts, so I complied.

              “and wtf “rape post” are you talking about.” The one which Tony deleted off of the Bunker after numerous commenters told you how inappropriate it was. Again you are pretending ignorance of your own actions, a particularly stupid and futile lie to tell to someone who knows you to be lying.

              “further, wtf “frank serpico” account are you referencing?” The YouTube account under which you re-posted what Tony deleted. Since that was on YouTube and not the Bunker, Tony doesn’t care.

              ” i have deathtoallpoliticans registered as my google, youtube and disqus screen name” And it was the deathtoallpoliticians disqus account which posted at mediabistro.

              “the only exceptions i can think of are: 1. msn since they won’t allow “death” to be in any screen name” So will you stop acting as if there is something bizarre about thinking a screenname calling for death is inappropriate?

              “i have to ask at this point: isn’t it possible you are wrong about me? ” No. You are a lying scumbag, and very persistent about lying even when you know that the person you are talking to knows that you are lying. That is a mental pathology in and of itself. You also have a compulsion to express your desires to commit violence, and an inability to comprehend that others find that inappropriate. I do not know if you actually carry out any violence, or are simply an internet tough guy who does jack shit, but neither is an attractive personality.

            • deathtoallpoliticians

              wow. i have the instinctive, knee-jerk reaction to say something very derogatory to you in response but i will lay off of it. i did most certainly receive your email of a post (don’t worry about spam from me. obviously, the less contact i have with you, the better) and it is definitely me. i will not deny it. but, what troubles me is that you did not post the entire thread leading up to my comment to you. therefore, i have to assume that you replied back to me in an ad hominem manner. i, then, hit you back in the very same manner. care to post the entire thread from mediabistro or are you afraid of exposing your own actions as well? now, i will respond as best i can to the remaining of your allegations:

              1. i was going to apologize to you for the mediabistro post but, after your very response here on the bunker, i have decided otherwise. since you have failed to post the entire thread on mediabistro, including your posts, i am forced to wonder why (see above)?

              2. you are wrong about me not being banned as a bunkerite. mr. ortgea has chosen, as best as i can tell, not to ban me because you have no good cause and have failed to make your case for such an action.

              3. for someone who fancies himself as a bunker policeman, 3 or more bannings from this site constitute more than an infrequent occasion as you seem to say. once again, had you provided any proof, mr. ortge would have banned me without a second thought. it seems to me that he removes trolls as they appear. your dispute of this belies the very fact of mr. ortega’s actions.

              4. wow. you provided to me exactly 1 screen shot of me replying to you. you actually consider this as evidence or some kind of proof that i should be banned? as i said, i was going to apologize to you until i read your response and the fact that you did not provide the entire thread. it seems to me that you are embarrassed and ashamed of your own comments in the very same thread. i have to ask again, why did you not provide the entire thread? and, also, is this all you have? how is this even remotely enough to have me banned as a bunkerite? keep in mind, the fact that we loath each other is not a proper or adequate reason to have me banned as a bunkerite no matter how your feelings have been hurt. your actions make me chuckle because i could care less what you think. i have never run to mr. ortega to have you banned no matter what you have said to me. yet, you cry and whine and send a solitary screen shot to mr. ortega about what i post?

              5. mr. ortgea also said that you needed to stop your witch hunts. i am not the only bunkerite that you have mistreated. seems to me that you need to lay off and let mr. ortega do the banning. you are nothing in the bunker and, most certainly, not the police of such. you really need to stop. in case you dispute this point, please provide the mr. ortega post wherein he asked you to go after trolls. good luck with that; you will need it since it does not exist. another worthless and unwarranted thought of grandeur derived in your own mind.

              6. care to send me the “rape” post? the only comment i have had recently deleted by mr. ortega was the one wherein i stated that i would like to fill ms. devocht’s mouth in order to silence her. truth be told, i still consider her to be very attractive, scientology ravings aside, and would gladly engage in a sexual throw down with her at any time (just being honest here). you say that there is another rape comment that i made? i say provide it. i do not trust you or your memory based on what you have posted here.

              7. wtf are you talking about “frank serpico account”? i have never utilized such a screen name and demand that you provide proof of such. i have only used “deathtoallpoliticians” as my google screen name, and that includes any google play accounts for the games i have on my tablets (although, i do use “i8yourflesh” on mlb p.i. and madden football and “jumping for joy” on big fish casino because “deathtoallpoliticians” is too long to use given the allotted space).

              8. i have already admitted that the mediabistro post seems to be me. but, given your most recent post here, an apology from me is the very last thing you should expect (although i was going to until i read said post). however, i find it interesting that you failed to post the entire thread. why have you failed to do so? are you embarrassed by your attacks on me prior to my post? do you not want mr. ortega and others to see how you provoked such an attack? your lack of the entire thread is damning to your allegations.

              9. whether or not you consider my screen name of “deathtoallpoliticans” as appropriate means nothing to me. since you have forgotten, or chosen to ignore, my very reasoning for using such a screen name, i will remind you: in my 38 years of life on this planet and as a united states citizen, no politician, whether they be a republican or democrat, has done anything for me but caused me more taxes, headaches and red tape. not a one. time was i used to be a democrat (in high school). then i switched to a republican as i realized what a scumbag the clintons are. then, i finally came to the realization that no matter the political affiliation of any particular candidate, said candidate could care less about me because i did not donate millions to their respective campaigns nor did i control any major corporation or enterprise. seems to me that i am a normal citizen, like the vast majority of americans. yet, we get no proper representation from those we elect from our crappy 2 party system. that is why i adopted my long deceased grandfather’s approach to politicians. he was a great man who fought with the u.s. army air force in operation torch during ww2 and was a farmer and carpenter after the war. in recognizing that our 2 party system would be the eventual destruction of this great nation, the best on this planet, he stated “all of these politicians, both republicans and democrats, need to be taken out back behind my barn and given a .45 caliber solution to the back of the head so we can start over”. hence, my screen name of “deathtoallpoliticians”. and, before you go crying and whining as is your usual, i wish to remind you of thomas jefferson’s quote of “the tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. it is its natural manure”. my grandfather, and i, wholeheartedly agree(d) with this thinking and it is also one of the main reasons for my screen name. care to accuse thomas jefferson of advocating mass murder? yeah, i thought not. so, what makes me, or my grandfather, bless his soul (he died of leukemia in the early 80’s), any different?

              10. you are wrong, whether you chose to admit it or not. it is truly tough to teach an old dog new tricks, as they say. and, i love your ad hominem attack against me in that you accuse me of a being a “lying scumbag”. you have given me only one post as evidence and acted like that is the be all, end all and that i should be banned for such. again, you have failed in your burden of proof. and i can say that even if you are held to the lower civil standard of “beyond a preponderance of the evidence”. once again, whether you feel that my screen name is appropriate matters not to me. unlike you, i can look past a simple screen name and judge a poster based on his/her content.

              11. where is your evidence and/or proof to substantiate your allegations that i am jeff lifter, lifter68, frank serpico and/or jeff cigar? you have provided one post and that is a “deathtoallpoliticans” post which i have admitted to (see above)…i ask again, where is your evidence and/or proof? let me tell you; you have nothing because said proof and/or evidence does not exist. otherwise, quote clearly and obviously, you would have gladly provided it. i am not any of those posters or people. get it through your skull.

              12. it is now obvious to me that we will never come to an accord. i have tried to make peace with you and you will have nothing of it. so be it. have a very good night, mr. eckert.

            • Robert Eckert

              ” what troubles me is that you did not post the entire thread leading up to my comment to you. therefore, i have to assume that you replied back to me in an ad hominem manner” You are once again pretending not to have any knowledge about YOUR OWN ACTIONS. You do not “have to assume” anything. You know goddamn well that you burst into that discussion out of nowhere. You had never been on that board before. Remember, just a couple posts ago you were pretending that you had never heard of it until just now?

              “care to post the entire thread from mediabistro or are you afraid of exposing your own actions as well? ” You can search mediabistro for yourself. The entirety of my postings there is contained in that screenshot.

              “3 or more bannings from this site constitute more than an infrequent occasion as you seem to say” You must be very new to the Internet.

              “you provided to me exactly 1 screen shot of me replying to you.” After you have lyingly denied, over a dozen times, ever having made such a post.

              ” it seems to me that you are embarrassed and ashamed of your own comments in the very same thread.” I showed you the comments I made. What the fuck are you talking about?

              “how is this even remotely enough to have me banned as a bunkerite?” The last two sentences of the post you made are identical to what the “lifter” personas posted, over and over and over and over and over again, on Radar Online. You refuse to provide any explanation for this fact. Possibly you are lifter, and forgot which sock you were logged in on when you stalked me to mediabistro (I do not believe there is any explanation for why you were on that board at all other than following my commenting activity). Possibly you and he are two people among a stable of trolls who share multiple accounts. Possibly you simply saw it on Radar while you were following my comments and liked the attack you copied it.

              “seems to me that you need to lay off and let mr. ortega do the banning” He needs to be informed if people he has banned are sneaking back. He can make his own decisions at that point, decisions which I respect. He decided not to ban you, so I have had zero interactions with you until you decided to have this out.

              “care to send me the “rape” post? the only comment i have had recently deleted by mr. ortega was the one wherein i stated that i would like to fill ms. devocht’s mouth in order to silence her” That’s the one. It is very sad that you cannot recognize the inappropriateness of suggesting forcible sex.

              “you say that there is another rape comment that i made?” No, I said there was there was one comment, which Tony deleted from the Bunker and which was reposted on the YouTube thread.

              ” i say provide it.” I don’t owe you a fucking thing. You know your own actions. If you are forgetful, you can look at the YouTube thread yourself. If you have erased it from the YouTube thread, you should be aware that the YouTube post was screencapped by a Bunkerite, not myself, shortly after it was made.

              “wtf are you talking about “frank serpico account”?” That is the name under which your post about oral rape of Jenny appeared on YouTube after it was deleted here.

              ” i have already admitted that the mediabistro post seems to be me” You have lied over and over about making that post until it is rubbed in your face that the evidence is preserved.

              “given your most recent post here, an apology from me is the very last thing you should expect” What makes you think I would ever expect anything from you except dishonesty and viciousness?

              “do you not want mr. ortega and others to see how you provoked such an attack?” I demand that you send proof of the existence of any such attack.

              “since you have forgotten, or chosen to ignore, my very reasoning for using such a screen name, i will remind you” I have not forgotten. I DON’T GIVE A RAT’S ASS what your politics are. I don’t come to the Bunker to talk politics. I tell DamOTClese to knock it off when he denounces “Christanic Rethuglicans”, I tell SkipPres to knock it off when he denounces “libtards”, I tell Mooser to knock it off when he denounces “Zionist infiltrators”. Discussions about the failings of Christianity or Islam are equally irrelevant deflections, of the type that the OSA loves to derail off onto.

              “i love your ad hominem attack against me in that you accuse me of a being a “lying scumbag”. ” It is a simple factual observation that you have lied, repeatedly, despite how stupid it is to lie to someone who knows you are lying. Who are trying to convince? There is something very pathological about the compulsiveness of this.

              “you have given me only one post as evidence” It is conclusive evidence as to the fact that you are a compulsive liar.

              “like that is the be all, end all and that i should be banned for such” It is also evidence that you copy lifter posts. Tony did not decide to ban you, so fine, that’s his board and his call, so I disengaged from you entirely.

              “i have tried to make peace with you” Bullshit. We had been at perfect peace, not speaking to one another at all. You decided to start a fight again, telling lies about how you never did what you and I both knew from the start that you did, demanding that I not know what I know.

            • sookiesookie

              The more this guy writes, the creepier he appears. Glad you have a good memory.

            • Robert Eckert

              Correction: the post from you that duplicated lifter was at mediabistro, not Hollywood Reporter.

            • daytoncapri

              ‘Tis noble to turn an adversary into a friend.

            • Robert Eckert

              ‘Tis not always feasible. Tony decided his conduct was not ban-worthy, so fine, I do not speak to him unless he starts it with me.

            • daytoncapri

              A good value nonetheless. Comment: I was taken aback by your criticism and analysis on me, but I am willing to leave that to the past. How about you? Want a fresh start?

            • Robert Eckert

              I wasn’t meaning to be hostile, but demanding an apology from Howdy struck me as weird, and, sorry to say, very Sci-like.

            • daytoncapri

              Yeah. I didn’t like the “troll on. dummy” part he used on me. That was day after I apologized to him publicly on a post and tried to take corrective steps. Dummy me.

            • Robert Eckert

              I understand, but it was very difficult to figure out what you meant by your post on Cartwright, and you were not considering that the problem might have been on the transmission end rather than the reception end. When I’m misunderstood, as frequently happens, I try to figure out how to re-express it better.

            • daytoncapri

              That’s a good point. Transmission problems. I had to clarify my post. You are right.

            • Robert Eckert

              I can be very harsh, if not to the Howdy let alone to the Espi level. I don’t always mean to be.

          • flyonthewall

            tony doesnt put up personal attacks death, you better watch it

        • Jimmy3

          I’m voting for this comment.

      • Stacy

        I’m not sure how you expect things to change if you won’t exercise your right to vote.

        • flyonthewall

          Stacy, in a democratic society the best way to effect change is to lock yourself in your basement and rant on the internet. Everyone knows that, get with the program!

          • Stacy

            Lol, sorry, I always miss the obvious!

      • ze moo

        As my philosophical gurus , South Park teach us, any election is always between a big giant douche and a shit sandwich.

      • daytoncapri

        This is a TL;DR post – but I have thought about this for a long time

        TO THE BAD – Preamble and Problem
        Yes, the fix is on, but don’t let the fix defeat us. I deeply agree with your frustration. Both parties have taught us “learned helplessness.” Our local districts are gerrymandered so strongly that one party is sure to win each time. So why vote? For the swing votes, their political messages is designed to shape our views, often through fear, rather than truly inform us. If we’re so clueless, then why vote? In many our local community, there’s an well-known understanding that certain candidates will run unopposed by the other party (there’s an article in the Dayton paper on that). Then they are elected: and they go on their own like a runaway train, and we can hardly do a thing. Yep, there’s plenty.

        Do we “deserve better?” I’m not so sure. THE problem is that we are not really engaged at all. The most we’ll do is vote. That falls wayyyy short.

        (This is a test: will someone post a disagreement with the BAD before reading the GOOD?)

        TO THE GOOD
        I know from experience that ordinary people CAN make the system work and respond. But it’s hard work.

        Story: The adjoining neighborhood to us, then my local neighborhood, then my city, and then next city, and then the adjacent communities rose up against environmental threats involving the federal government. We did it multiples times: the Miamisburg Nuclear Weapons Site (plutonium), the Valleycrest Super Fund site, and a local Poison Gas site.

        All the local politicians and candidates, (alas, except for Boehner) saw heard us and slowly but surely, regardless of party (Dem, Rep, Tea), they fell into line and joined ours. We the poeple won – there are no politicians to thank: They serve US.

        Get engaged.

    • Stacy

      1st thing this morning!

    • Voting is for people who can’t learn. I’m always amused that people still think they’re really voting and that it some how works. 🙂

      • Robert Eckert

        Politicians try to appeal to people who show up and vote. Pew does surveys on voting habits by demographics and political leanings. Turnout for over-65 “consistently conservative” is nearly 80%. Turnout for under-30 “politically independent” is barely above 20%. Why should any politicians bother to try to appeal to you? You’re not going to show up until the messiah is on the ballot anyway.

  • flyonthewall

    Wow, here is another stunner – ” The Church of Scientology Mafia is a classical terroristic Mafia structure fused to North Korean mind control and propaganda wrapped in American religious tax exemption. This collective paranoid, brutal and greedy enterprise is called the “Scientology religion” . J is on fire boy, gotta love it!

  • George M. White

    When I was in “power” as an OT VIII, the idea of only a few powerful thetans was
    embedded into my mind by Hubbard. The logic of why Miscavige would
    spend billions of dollars for empty buildings would make perfect sense to a thetan.
    If thetans are going to “return”, they would regain the former wealth
    in buildings and money. Look at Hubbard roaming the Sea in search of
    his buried treasure in “Mission into Time”. I’m sure he expected, in his
    delusion, to find “his” gold. So it is with Miscavige and a few “thetans”.
    Miscavige is “Pope on the Box” but he is also the product of Hubbard.
    I think Miscavige probably intends to return as Wilt Chamberlain. Cruise
    probably would want to be Elvis Presley. The logic of “wog” economics does
    not apply to theta. When Miscavige talks of future generations, he is including
    himself.
    When I read the “Student Briefing” in 1988, Hubbard’s intent to use me
    to breed “uncontaminated” bodies for his “royal theta line” caused
    aversion. If a thetan could “pop out of his head”, so could the essence of
    of a cult “pop out” of a mind.
    When I went to Clearwater last month, I saw sea org members walking
    in the streets. They have a place to sleep; they can eat, and they
    have a purpose. In the end, its a small dedicated group.
    At the battle of Waterloo, Napoleon’s small guard held out to the
    end and refused to surrender to even Wellington. That is what
    is expected of a fully enslaved OT VIII who would consent to
    purify earth’s genetic line of alien tampering for Hubbard’s “eternal increase”.

    • i-Betty

      What excellent observations.

    • “When Miscavige talks of future generations, he is including himself.”

      Effing loons.

    • flyonthewall

      smells like nazi, space opera, occult, schizoid psycho babble – flush it, it’s stinking up the joint

      • George M. White

        piṅgalamakkhikā?

  • Sunny

    I keep wanting to ask why the term “space aliens” gets used. A Scientologist does not see it like that. In their understanding, spirits are spirits are all the same. There are no “other” forms (including plants and animals and so forth).
    And on the article of yesterday, there is a minor correction which is that you read the OT III material first before you audit out the cooties. The article says that you read if after you are done. It is the other way around.

    • Tony Ortega

      Yes, Sunny, I noticed that mistake in Susan Raine’s piece as well. She got that backwards.

      As for why I call body thetans disembodied space alien souls when Scientologists don’t use those terms, you will just have to understand that for those of us never-ins who read Hubbard’s handwritten OT 3 materials, in which he describes Xenu bringing billions of individuals from other planets to imprison them here on earth, that’s pretty much the textbook example of “space aliens” — sentient beings from other solar systems.

      While we strive to understand Scientology from the point of view of Scientologists, we also will continue to describe Hubbard’s ideas from a non-Scientology point of view as well.

      • Sunny

        Hi Tony, I understand that. Thanks for the response.
        Susan Raine’s article is very well researched and accurate view of Scientology. I enjoyed reading it. And in my own personal experience, it is upsetting because I am reminded how much of my life was wasted on that cult.
        Another thing I have not seen much mention of, but is also part of OT III information is WHO were packaged up – the beings (spirits) were supposedly the non-conformists, which were the criminals and artists. And that, my dear, is all that Earth consists of: criminals and artists (hmmm… if the Scientologist is not an artist…. wait, wut?)

        • flyonthewall

          If you leaned something from the experience and grew as a person it was not time wasted

          • Mark Foster

            Being an ex, I agree flyonthewall.. Sunny,check this blog out, which discusses this point:

            http://www.alanzosblog.com/scientology-hindsight-bias-ex-scientologists-deadliest-disease/

            • Cosmo Pidgeon

              Mark, that was a refreshing way to look at the past. I will keep this as there are a few people I hope it might apply to some day. Thanks.

            • Mark Foster

              I agree, it´s very practical and compassionate advice. Glad you liked it!

          • Sunny

            I guess, but 32 years is a long time.

            • flyonthewall

              I hear you. As a never-in, maybe I should’ve just held my tongue, I didn’t mean to offend you.

            • Sunny

              You have not offended. And you should not hold your tongue! Neener!

            • flyonthewall

              Thnx Sunny 🙂 You read the link Mark posted? Makes a lot of sense to me. Hope it helps

            • Sunny

              Yes I did, thank you. I have also had many long conversations with Alanzo in the past. He is a good guy.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              I’m so glad that you’re out, but I agree with you 32 years most have no idea what it has done to you!

        • pluvo

          I guess the Scientologists and anyone who does not oppose them are regarded as the artists, and the ‘SPs’ and anyone who is viewing the Co$ as a scam are considered the criminals.

    • Snake Plissken

      Hubbard could have chose to call OTIII a Spirit Opera but he didn’t, because his cheesy 1940s science fiction was never intended to be about spirituality, it was a silly piece of fiction about space aliens that ended up getting recycled into an OT level because Hubbard was too messed up of drugs and alcohol by that time to come up with anything better.

  • Chee Chalker

    I guess this now qualifies LRH as a doctor of ultrasonics……that’s how it works right? Buy a building that formerly housed an ultrasonic lab = doctorate in ultrasonics. Certificate forthcoming…….
    Imagine if an independent analysis was performed on all those certificates and awards (the ones that are on the walls that fold out and expand during ceremonies……bright shiny gold walls, etc). I would be willing to bet 98% of them would be false or otherwise exaggerated.

  • a few haiku today…i’ve yet to put up ANY plastic to my windows & simply must do that today….went on 2 metro park hikes yesterday for a total of 5 miles and one included climbing around boulders and i am one sore little chick today!! after i vote, it’s outside playing with plastic and duct tape until it starts raining! 🙂

    [inspired by comments by xenuYESxenu and DodoTheLaser]
    How to K.S.W.?
    Regging, cajoling, begging!
    Just get that money!
    #scientology #haiku #KSW #AllAboutMoney

    The working of Sci
    Involves money, LOTS of it!
    Then the church keeps it!
    #scientology #haiku #KSW #ThatIsPrettyMuchIt

    What’s the need for cash?
    Always wanting more? You don’t
    have the rank to ask!
    #scientology #haiku #KSW #Truth

    True total freedom:
    Being able to enjoy
    nature, no rushing.
    #scientology #haiku #WhenDidYouLastEnjoyNature

    More total freedoms:
    Earning at least minimum
    wage, health insurance.
    #scientology #haiku #SeaOrgSlavesWorkForPenniesAnHour

    Ability to
    spend your time and money how
    you want, not told to.
    #scientology #TotalFreedom #haiku #YouControlYourLife

    Friendships with others,
    some who even disagree
    with some of your views!
    #scientology #haiku #InTheRealWorldThisReallyHappens #ItEnrichesYou

    Being an adult,
    not being treated as an
    unruly child.
    #scientology #haiku #YouDidNotPullThatIn #TotalFreedom

    Freedom to go vote,
    to learn about candidates
    and make your own choice.
    #scientology #haiku #TotalFreedom

  • scnethics

    Who knows, after all the renovations are done this may work out to $1 million per person. Gooooooooooooooo Scientology!!!

    • HappypantsDance

      Wow, i’m now imagining the Shermanspeak as Co$ tries to use that angle to make the whales feel speshul in the idle morgues decked out to serve the whales’ spiritual needs in the manner to which they’ve become accustomed. Davey’s got to do something to keep them in and forking over all that dosh; they’re all that’s keeping the cult afloat.

  • Eclipse-girl

    Just a shout out to the US members of the Bunker.

    today is election day. If you haven’t voted early, please vote today.

    Watch the video that Tony O has tweeted.
    Read the article that Raw Story did about John Fugelsang’s tweets.

    Please go out and VOTE

    • Snake Plissken

      I voted this morning, I kept looking over the ballot hoping there was a candidate I was overlooking that I could get excited about but it didn’t happen, it basically came down to a choice of being kicked in the balls or punched in the balls.

      • Eclipse-girl

        I live in Wisconsin.

        There is a difference in the candidates for Governor and state Attorney General. My vote matters in this polarized state.

        • Snake Plissken

          Well yeah … with a knucklehead like your governor, I’d be excited about voting him out of office too.

          • Eclipse-girl

            It will be a close race. it is not a given for either candidate.

            Walker got in because Dems didn’t go to the polls during a midterm election.
            I hope the populace has learned.

            • i’m in ohio and unfortunately our dems couldn’t find a decent candidate to run against our draconian governor…..

            • Jimmy3

              I thought Strickland could’ve won it back this year, but what do I know.

            • well they only put forth fitzgerald and no other dem….when they first announced fitzgerald, i was like, okay, who is he gonna run against for the dem nomination? but no, they didn’t nominate anyone else….they should have put strickland against fitzgerald and i think he would have been the stronger dem candidate….

            • Jimmy3

              From his DNC speech in 2012: “If Mitt [Romney] was Santa Claus, he’d fire the reindeer and outsource the elves!”

              Ted Strickland is a hero and a national treasure.

            • that’s an extremely true statement too!

        • Jimmy3

          I’ve been to Minnesota. Wisconsin is not really all that cold.

        • flyonthewall

          Yep, in MO there’s a vote on changing the way teachers are evaluated, doing away with tenure etc. It’s a mess and I will not be missing this one.

      • Basically people who vote are picking which corporate Oligarchs they want to fuck them in the ass.

        I’m always amused that people still vote. It’s like they’re incapable of learning.

        • 1subgenius

          Would you like that with lube, or no?

    • Voting is a religious act, it is for people who are gullible and think it “works.” 🙂

      I’m always amazed that people still think they “vote” in this country and that it some how matters.

      • 1subgenius

        I’m amazed that people don’t think it matters (to whatever degree), or that there isn’t always a lesser of two evils.
        And so “good people” do nothing, and then something happens. I wish I could remember what.

      • 1subgenius

        Al Franken won by 312 votes, but you don’t think he was any different than his opponent.
        Amazing.

      • Stacy

        Please take action to reform the system then. Most people know the system is broken; they want reform and massive change. What most people don’t have are the creative solutions that could fix the system. If you have suggestions, please work at making them a reality. In the meantime, I plan to vote until that better system gets created.

    • ItsIBBy

      I’m going after work! There are some maneuverings that hinge on who wins the Lt. Gov position in Nevada. It will dictate whether the Governor challenges Harry Reid when hes on the block next time.

      Fascinating to watch the machinations more than anything

  • Snake Plissken

    Scientology’s plan show it paid $37 million for a building to serve only 87 people, but in reality it will only be serving 1 person.

    • Well technically Dildo Dave only counts as half a person.

    • sookiesookie

      I just watched “Escape From New York” last night for the first time. You sir, are a badass. (All this time I thought your name was based on the guy that LRH claimed to have met on his cruise through the Panama Canal.)

  • What this Advanced Org thing in Australia really proves out is that the “Ideal Org” strategy has nothing to do with servicing public or expanding the Scientology membership base. Not that this needs further proof, as the stated goal of “expanding Scientology straight up and vertical” has already been shown to be a total farce by the existing Ideal Orgs and their mausoleum-like silence 24/7. Miscavige has millions, even billions, to play with and he has to show the IRS that he is investing some of that back into Church facilities and there’s nothing that says “success” to the IRS like big new buildings. It’s also what keeps the whales in line and giving more and more of their liquid assets. The whales show up for the big grand openings or see the Photoshopped event pics and convince themselves they are doing the greatest good for the greatest number. They don’t let themselves look too hard at these empty buildings the day after the openings. And so the Scientology game goes on and on. The general public may or may not be fooled by all of this, or even care very much, but big crowds and big buildings do serve as a PR counter-measure to the reams of horror stories and disconnection testimonials which flood any user who googles Scientology. Miscavige plays on ignorance and cognitive dissonance and he does it quite well. That is his real strategy, all so they can etch Hubbard’s words onto metal plates and hide them inside mountain vaults. It’s so crazy that the real truth of what they are up to defies belief. The only answer to all of this is to continue putting the truth out there, which Tony is doing a spectacular job of, and bit by bit those who are still in are waking up and getting out.

    • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

      I always thought that buildings provided a place for future lived “Scientologists” to “come back” to, following the Scientology Passport ad fantasy, that one just continued where one left off the last life’s case progress. The old Pro TRs movie had the advertisement for the Scientology Passsport, the doc that listed all one’s case and theoretical study progress in one’s life on it, which was somehow pulled out of the files when one “came back” in one’s future life and showed up at a Scientology org for continuing one’s spiritual progress.

      The “theory” was attempted to be multi lifetime services for Scientology.

      Another reference for future lives case handling are the LRH final tech issues that tell what one does with the case folders of people, matching them up when future lives people claim they were such and such a person in their past lives.

      The building strategy is clearly too much invested for too few followers, and the number of returned Scientologists who have even ever utilized the Scientology Passport or utilized the case folders from their past lives is probably 0.

      Those two hard physical aspects of Scientology trying to do administratively some justifiable activities to keep up the multi lifetime case handling nature for Scientologists, all from Hubbard’s pen apparantly, would mean to me a reason to have orgs.

      Just not so extravagently paid for and renovated into these gaudy empty buildings they’ve so far wasted their money on.

      • Stacy

        This is fascinating, this “future lives” stuff. Have any scientologists claimed to be the reincarnation of earlier members? If so, were the case folders of those earlier members added to the files of the current reincarnate claimee?

        I would think, despite those early stated beliefs/ plans, that DM wouldn’t allow this as it might shorten a member’s path up the bridge, which in turn would lessen the amount of money that person would pay to the church.

        • Jimmy3

          Nah, most of them were either Jesus, Napoleon, Julius Caesar or Derek Jeter.

          • Stacy

            It’s probably pretty boring to claim to have been Jane Smith. But it could save them a huge chunk of change if Jane Smith was OT4 when she died.

            • Anonymous

              “But it could save them a huge chunk of change if Jane Smith was OT4 when she died.”

              One would think…but since they went “OT4 prior to the “release” of GAT II, they would just have to re-do everything again anyway. Heh

            • Cosmo Pidgeon

              Hey Stacy, I got the book you suggested. The Demon-Haunted World by Sagan. I am in the early pages and I see why you suggested it. Thanks.

            • Stacy

              Awesome! I’m so glad you like it. I think I need to dig my copy out and re-read it. It’s just going to have to wait a bit, since I finally got off my butt and ordered a bunch of Scientology books, including Wright’s and Atack’s books. Looking forward to reading them both. ☺️

            • Cosmo Pidgeon

              I think you’ll find those fascinating. I did. To put it mildly.

            • richelieu jr

              Great, great book, and Sagan was a secular saint.

            • Every Scientologist should read the passage about the dragon in Karl Sagan’s garage.
              No spoilers – but it explains in a few paragraphs exactly what is wrong with their reasoning.

            • daytoncapri

              I agree with you myself, but I can’t use this on my friend. Wish I could. If cold reasoning alone would work, then yes., But there is emotional content to get past as well.

            • I take you point. Perhaps I should have said “Every ex-Scientologist”.

              Loyal Scientologists are created by the application of gradual social-psychological manipulation. As you say, this creates an emotional commitment that seems to be immune to rational argument. This must be the most frustrating feature of any dialogue with them.

              As a ‘never-in’ it is too easy for me to overlook this fact, and I did on this occasion.

            • daytoncapri

              Ok, but with respect, I am not sure I see it as you. Confirmation bias is everywhere. You, me, everyone has a propensity to it.

              For newbies, lurkers: Confirmation bias, also called myside bias, is the
              tendency to search for, interpret, or prioritize information in a way
              that confirms one’s beliefs or hypotheses. It is a type of cognitive bias and a systematic error of inductive reasoning.

              http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias

            • Confirmation bias is, indeed a powerful influence which I have written about here http://scicrit.wordpress.com/2014/05/13/understanding-the-scientology-mindset-pt-8-confirmation-bias/

              While nobody is immune, knowing that such a thing exists and how it works, helps to prevent people from falling victim to it (assuming a basic level of self-honesty). The more you know about these flaws, built in to the human intellect, the less likely you are to fall victim to them.

              In the case of Scientology, this cognitive bias (and many others) are exploited by the organisation in a systematic way, to reinforce belief in propositions which the holder knows (on some level) to be insecure.

              Which brings us full circle – back to the emotional commitment created by Scientology’s recruitment procedure.

            • daytoncapri

              Nobody is immune. including you and me.

              It would be nice to think we are above the fray, and are capable of reaching truth or understanding through some sort of a rigor. But it isn’t true. We are only rationalizing when we do this. You are I are likely to fall victim to this again and again. Our confirmation bias is a great assist to the process.

            • daytoncapri

              Despite my different views from yours, your posts may result with a Scientologist finding his/her way out.

              A single rescue out is a major gain. I applaud your pursuit.

            • Stephanie Loving

              Meeee tooo … thanks Stacy. I’m loving every minute of reading every page. Sagan rules. And wish he hadn’t left us so soon.

            • Eclipse-girl

              It doesn’t. I once about this. The poor sap has to redo all the training.

              Now having done it once, is it quicker the second time?

            • Stacy

              One more thing the scientologists got wrong.

          • Ron Hubbard was Cecil Rhodes and had a gay old time.

            • richelieu jr

              “Wait a minute– Rhodes was a—????!!!”

              –LRH, finally stumbling across a book he hadn’t written himself…

            • Elwrong used to pontificate about being Rhodes around St. Hill or Flag or both – there’s a famous pic of him standing on top of Cecil Rhodes grave – then someone told him Rhodes was gay, and he completely shut up about it.

            • richelieu jr

              I know, I LOVE that story! It just says so much bout Hubbard so eloquently and quickly…

          • richelieu jr

            “Two men say they’re Jesus, One of them must be wrong.”

        • Anonymous

          “Have any Scientology claimed to be the reincarnation of earlier members?”

          The short answer to this is yes, and I have seen Folder Pages at FLAG frantically searching for the folders of a deceased former member so they could be used to “verify” the claim.

          I’m not defending the action or supporting that it was reality based…only reporting what I saw / heard.

          Hundreds (probably thousands) have claimed to “remember” past lives in Scientology and many believed (then) that they experienced benefit from running a “process” back into the “whole track.”

          Whether or not Scientologist “believe” in past lives or whether or not past lives are real or not (many religion traditions long before Scientology have a component of reincarnation or related scriptural belief) does not add or subtract to the validity of such. It truly is a matter of personal belief, IMHO.

          As a further comment, it is my “belief” that what Chuck is describing above was in fact one of the “shore stories” provided by Hubbard to account for the huge financial demand his “tech” was placing on public Scientologists. Hubbard forget to mention (and denied in writing) that he personally was receiving a significant portion of the money sloshing around in Scientology during his lifetime. But if he could convince others that their donated money was for a multi-lifetime effort at “sector salvaging,” they might feel better about it. Heh.

          • Stacy

            Thanks Anon

        • It actually has happened. Bruce Wiseman’s wife told me their kid at a young age started telling them about OT3. A girl I knew on staff at Celebrity Centre told me she remembered being audited by Hubbard when she was a concert pianist in another life. At a recent indie Auditor’s Day this loser guy (I knew him years ago) told me he wasn’t going to give up on $cientology because “Ron” had audited him personally. Of course, every single bit of all that could have been completely made up – and that’s one of the ways $cientology gets away with their farces.

          • Eclipse-girl

            This is VERY off topic —

            Late one night, Media_Lush and another person were discussing whether or not Chuck Norris had ever been a scientologist. It was claimed that Chuck reached OT VII. It seemed odd because Chuck claims to be Christian.

            Somehow your name came up as a reference who might be able to verify whether of not Chuck was ever a scientologist.

            • Chuck was exposed to $cientologists. I met him in 1976 when he did a karate demo onstage at a big party Paul & Linda McCartney gave – if he’d have been involved at that time I would’ve known it. He did the movie “Good Guys Wear Black” which started with a discussion he had with a writer named Hayden something or other, who was a pal of Randy MacDonald, who was a CC staff member and editor of Celebrity magazine. Hayden was editor of an airline magazine and knew Chuck somehow, but didn’t end up with any credit on the movie, which had Anne Archer as a co-star. Later, Paul Haggis was one of the co-creators of “Walker, Texas Ranger” and worked with Chuck a lot, I believe. I could ask Paul but I highly doubt Chuck was ever involved – he’s just too much of a common sense guy. Besides, he could kick Hubbard’s ass even though Hubbard’s dead dead dead – that’s the kind of thing Chuck can do. 😉

            • Eclipse-girl

              Thank you.

            • Anonymous

              You are correct about Chuck Norris being able to kick ass…he was for real…the actual Professional Middleweight Karate Champion for six consecutive years and he was also a Tae Kwon Do Grand Master. He was not just an actor pretending to be a fighter.

              Norris was the sort of already successful person that CCINT (or CCLA previously) would aggressively court via whatever person or trick they could, but ultimately most of the folks so courted trusted their instincts and stayed away, or stayed on the fringes and played aloof, but nice.

              Almost all of those being courted sensed that they were being (or would be) “used” because of their celebrity.

            • They courted those on top but never got them. Elwrong’s celebrity advice was typical of a predator – get them on the way up or the way down. In short, when they are vulnerable. Chuck was, by the time he was first exposed to the cult, not vulnerable to bullshit, like so many of us were. They were continually after Michael Jackson – I had a girlfriend for a short time who slept with him, Dick Zimmerman shot his Thriller cover, Lisa Marie was married to him, Jermaine and his wife Hazel took a film course from Eric Sherman, but far as I know Michael never did anything with $cientology. I heard repeatedly, however, that his father Joe Jackson got auditing at Flag.

            • Anonymous

              Agree that they key targets were hunted most aggressively when they were vulnerable.

              And those already in the fold were mercilessly merchandised as “examples” to others about what would happen for them if they got involved too. It was quite the operation.

            • Lots of examples of major FAIL – Yvonne Jentzsch and some others did a major push to try to get Joni Mitchelll involved. Didn’t work. Ditto McCartney (lots of people worked on him and failed). And of course you know Elvis’ remark “Those people just want my money.” (Although Judy, the wife of the holder of the Sunset Mission who gave him the Bridge explanation said he bought some books and Priscilla Presley told me Elvis paid for some services.) But I believe Peggy Lipton was with Elvis when that happened (and she was probably having an affair with him, so he might’ve said that as a way of putting off Peggy. (Excuse me if I get some details wrong, but they didn’t get him, thank God.)

            • Anonymous

              Did not know the Joni Mitchell story…or the additional details on Elvis…interesting.

              I saw Lisa Marie Presely go from little girl…to rebellious teenager…to (apparently) very unhappy FLAG public…to whatever status she is now…which seems to be ex-Scientologist.

              IIRC correctly there was also failed efforts expended toward recruiting Christopher Reeve and Bruce Springsteen. Heh.

            • Robert Eckert

              I don’t think I could find the link now, but when they tried to audit Reeve he gave them a bullshit past-lives story that he took from Greek mythology, and they bought it, so he decided right away that they were nuts or con-men or both.

            • Anonymous

              I just saw that, seconds before I saw your post.

              Here it is: http://www.cultnews.com/archives/000129.html

            • Robert Eckert

              That’s what I was remembering, thanks.

            • I’m not so sure that story is not just Chris Reeve trying to cover his butt on being involved. When he showed up at Celebrity Centre it was after having a good bit of auditing at Helen Geltman’s mission in NY, and he was looking to get more. Chris and Robin Williams used to do a lot of coke together at Studio 54 in NY – so he wasn’t above a fabrication or being mentally scattered.

            • Anonymous

              I have no personal knowledge of what did / did not happen, thus your eye witness account represents an interesting take on events. Thanks for providing details.

            • daytoncapri

              Bullshit detection: give them bullshit and see if they detect it. I am having an involuntary flashback. Man oh man.

            • Don’t know about Springsteen but Reeve was in for a while – when he was on the way up. I’ve told that story before. He got in at Helen Geltman’s mission, got auditing, wanted his money on account transferred to Celebrity Centre when he came out to do Superman, Helen wouldn’t do it, and finally Chris said to hell with it and never came back.

            • Anonymous

              Did not know that.

              That makes what someone at CCLA told me about Reeve a lie, but that no longer surprises me either.

              Thanks for the straight scoop.

            • Great pic. Chris told me that personally about Helen Geltman and money on account while standing in the lobby of Celebrity Centre on La Brea when he came by to pickup Yvonne and Heber Jentzsch and I believe registrar Hector Carmona to fly them down to Anaheim for the “Prayer Day” celebration in 1976. Also, Jeff Pomerantz told me a bit about it – I believe they had been on the same TV soap opera in NY City. Chris quit talking to Jeff after the whole Geltman/Jentzsch fiasco.

            • Anonymous

              Hector Carmona – he of the Kha Khan status! Heh!

              *CRINGE*

            • You know what Hector – who left the cult years ago – told me right before he died? He had been homosexually raped by a group of men when in the military and it was the most traumatic thing in his life, but in all his years of auditing, that “basic incident” never once came up. Hector hated Hubbard and the cult by the time he passed.

            • Anonymous

              Did not know any of that either…you are a fountain of info!

              Thanks!

            • You sound like former CC staff. Send me an email some time if you’re so inclined. I saw your deleted post – haven’t heard that name in years.

            • Anonymous

              “Chris” was Chris Baer?

            • Stacy

              Have I heard correctly that Bono tried some scientology stuff but didn’t take to it?

            • Anonymous

              Don’t know.

            • Stacy

              Tsk tsk, careful. You’re talking about my personal god

            • Anonymous
            • Stacy

              I thought I remembered this fact. Who wouldn’t want Bono?

            • Anonymous

              He does now have (with his band) the dubious distinction of having issued “the most deleted album in music history…”

              Not a criticism…just reporting the facts…sort of. 😉

            • Stacy

              Lol, I know. Who would have thought that giving an album to the masses would result in such a mess? My mom called me up asking how to remove it from iCloud. ??? Oops! Apple should’ve thought of that little issue first.

            • Anonymous
            • Stacy

              Actually, I hadn’t seen that. I wasn’t unhappy with getting songs of innocence for free. I was happy. But I will let my unhappy mom know. Thanks.

            • Anonymous

              By some measures, U2 is the most popular band in the world. iTunes is the most popular online music service in the world. The marketing campaign that combined the two is brilliant.

              The number of folks that will keep the U2 album is probably many, many times the number of folks who want to delete it. It is a matter of art and taste…thankfully their is no science to explain the intricacies of those personal preferences. That is among the reasons art / music are such emotional, touching experiences.

            • Stacy

              True words. It’s why I say that seeing U2 live can be a religious experience. If Bono has no voice, it can also suck, but there you go.

            • Lady Squash

              The “Bono” in question, was Sonny Bono. He reportedly did some Scientology back in the day, but I don’t have details. So you can rest easy; it wasn’t THE BONO.

            • Anonymous

              Yes…Sonny Bono was definitely involved and his name was exploited mercilessly for becoming so. He was (IIRC) correctly, brought into the organization via the efforts of Mimi Rogers. He made some deprecating statements about the church near the end of his life.

              Here is a link (there are dozens on Google) about the church’s efforts to recruit the other Bono: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2399299/Scientology-celebrity-strategy-U2s-Bono-actively-recruited-Brad-Pitt-nearly-joined-church.html

            • richelieu jr

              Sonny, may he res tin peace, was in a little comedy film I did in the late 80’s/early 90s for Showtime/The Movie Channel and he was just a lovely, generous guy. But his new wife (she of the Clinton impeachment) was a gatekeeper with an iron hand and a suspicious eye–
              She was out to protect Sonny from people just trying to take advantage of his good nature.

              While we did try to get them to agree to let us come with a male Cher look-alike, I was quite surprised at the high-level of suspicion and security for such a low-level star…

              Now it is starting to make sense…

            • richelieu jr

              Nope, they didn’t get him– but they did get his money.

            • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

              I was told by an executive at Los Angeles that Michael Jackson was a Scientologist but not considered as asset because of the child molestation charges. When they died down his name would be released as a Scientologist. In fact, that never occurred. I realize that this that is just a rumour but I believed it.

              Housabout Nicholas Cage? I can’t imagine being married to a Scientologist and not being a Scientologist. The marriage didn’t last. He got rid of his comic book collection (as so many wives want comic collectors to do) then they split.

            • I met Nic shortly after he got his big splash start in “Valley Girl” in which he was pounced on by cougar mama Lee Purcell, $cientologist actor. He’s a wild guy, but I told him he’d be a big star. Didn’t realize he was Francis Ford Coppola’s nephew at the time. From what I could tell, he married Lisa Marie because he worshipped Elvis – not that she isn’t a dish. I don’t think he took $cientology seriously for a moment, just my opinion.

            • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

              Thanks, Skip. To me, it seems like a secular Protestant marrying a black-hat orthodox Jew. The protestant would just have to know that there would be problems around the corner and huge pressure for conversion. Maybe that is not as important as marrying the daughter of Elvis. Cage should have kept his eyes open. And he should never have sold his Action #1. Also, thanks for all the knowledge you have passed on, on this site. I always appreciate your insights.

            • The more I can help dissolve the mysteries and bullshit of $cientology and its history with my recollections, the happier I am. Glad to help, Korgo.

            • daytoncapri

              Action #1. wow….

            • richelieu jr

              I knew a guy who was in a band with my best friend who was engage to LMP just before she disappeared and married Michael Jackson.

              I do not know the details of what went down (but it was passing strange), however I can say categorically that her ex-fiancé was NOT a scilon.

            • richelieu jr

              I think I may have been the person speaking with MEdia LUsh about this, and pooh-poohing the idea.

              I worked with Chuck while he did a cameo on a little film I was woring on in COlorado in… I want to say, 1981? 1982? and he was (openly, at least) very much the Evangelical-style Christian. Talking to my folks about being ‘saved’, about ‘Jesus being the biggest tough-guy of them all’, about “never standing so high as when we are down on our knees”, etc…

              He was also doing the cameo for free, or close to it, and I personallysaw him cut a very generous check for a charity whose nale I will keep to myself, but which was certainly NOT Dianetics-related.

              My guess is he was friendly with Haggis and some others, and is pretty open and friendly guy, and let himself occasionally mingle with some pretty deluded and sneaky folks.

              I am not in his circle of friends,, and haven’t seen him since, so what do I know, really? But I’d be surprised.

            • I found him to be very polite and down-to-earth. He was a star at a party filled with major stars and rock royalty and didn’t know me from Adam. Given your story I’d say he’s always like that (and that’s what I’ve heard about him). So how could someone like that be a $cientologist looking to be an “OT” lording over “degraded beings” and “wogs”?

          • Stacy

            It’s sad that the one guy won’t give it up just because ron audited him personally.

          • AintMizBahavin

            skip press you’re a mountain of info and im a never in but for a time was in the industry (music) and have heard many of the stories you’re putting out back then i didnt believe them but i do now. thank you for the education

            • You’re welcome. Guess I should finish my book one of these days.

            • richelieu jr

              Please do– I was big follower of your column back in the day. Still going on?

            • With the last one I wrote about The Way to Happiness, the nutcase former $cientologist who got me to write the column raised so much hell with the site (but lost), I put the column aside. However, in December I’ll have more time and might get back to it. Thanks for the kudo.

            • richelieu jr

              I was deserved, and I really hope you’ll get back to doing it, It was hilight of my weeks..

          • Gus_Cox

            I’ve been thinking about that quite a bit lately. I’ve heard lots of similar stories. But it’s always somebody else and there are few real details. I wonder if the “concert pianist” remembered anything at all of how to play.

            I’ve known a number of people who have died, who should have had the ability to recall their last lifetime if OT were real. Enough of them would now be at an age where they should be able to give a shout to one of their best friends from last time around – and one in particular I am utterly certain would have if OT past life recall were true. But not a single one has.

            The PR line as to why this doesn’t happen is something like “it would be out-R.” Bullshit! It’s totally within the reality of a scientologist for one of his old friends to look him up! And Jeez, you wanna talk about motivating someone to get up the Bridge!

            So it would be really great if it were true – look how many people bankrupt themselves chasing that carrot! – but I have thoroughly disabused myself of the notion of the State of OT.

            • No, she absolutely did not play the piano, Gus. I’ve had experiences that tell me reincarnation is real, and to hell with the $cientology term past lives because that’s just Hubbard trying to co-opt the conversation. You’re right, out-R is bullshit. One thing you can be certain about with regard to living one life after another – if someone tells you that you have to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars to a drug-swilling liar to determine the certainty of having lived before, THAT pitch is the real fakery in the discussion.

            • richelieu jr

              “And to hell with the $cientology term past lives because that’s just Hubbard trying to co-opt the conversation.”

              ^^^^^^^
              This, a thousand times, this!

          • richelieu jr

            You know, Skip, given the handwriting and story quality, their kid may have actually WRITTEN OT III!

            Food for thought!

        • LRHBT

          “future lives stuff” – well put. 🙂

          When ones goes down that path, one comes accross a lot of disbelieve, unreality,
          confrontation, invalidation and right-out make-wrong, but also some encouragement.

          So why bother other people with it? Do THEY have a problem, or is it YOUR problem?

          But beside that, why is it important?

          If you are mortal, you have ONE lifetime here on earth.
          If you are IMMORTAL, you also have ONE lifetime here on earth – obviously the CURRENT one as well.

          So why bothering about the former ones and the future ones?
          USE and ENJOY the CURRENT life to the fullest extend possible.
          And remember…
          …to leave a positive mark/impression behind. Set a good example. Simple as that.

          If you only live once – well, you’ve done something good for the next generation.
          If you live more than once – well, you’ve done something good for others AND YOURSELF!
          See – it DOESN’T really matter how often one lives, as long as one is really aware,
          THAT he/she is living a life; and hopefully a fullfilled and happy one!

          One benefit of my worldview is, that one can plan things for a longer duration.

          How to set up a game, where one can play in, for a couple of lifetimes without loosing
          one’s possessions everytime? Or… how about, advancing spiritually with a certain technology
          and seeing that it exists for oneself and the next generations?

          That was actually the reason for having donated to the Ideal Org Campaign… yepp, have to admit.

          Was I betrayed? Yep – sort of.

          Was it a “WRONG” decision..?!?!?!

          Yes! and No! It was a decision – and one that felt good AT THE TIME – and that’s it.

          But having recognised (to a certain degree at least) in what a world we live, I’m inclined
          to say that I despise DM for what he has done to the hard working and dedicated staff.

          F§$K YOU SIR! Actually… DOUBLE F$%K YOU!!! (sorry for out-manners)

          But on the other hand… who had the guts to take over that whole Scientology/Sea Org “project”?
          Who was causative enough of the staff present at the time and applied the complete DANGER condition?
          Who was willing to DO everything necessary on a complete bypass-basis? WHO????
          Mr. RA James Byrnes? Captain Bill? Norman Starkey? Greg Wilhere? WHOOOO? They’ld rather follow orders.

          In the normal world one can see a FEW guys/gals, who walk the talk – most of the rest is in their
          hamster-wheel and is trying to be a good obidient citizen and be safe and secure. Correct?
          I think so (also includes me)- but pay attention, that I did NOT judge them. It is their game. OK.

          So putting oneself into the position of LRH or DM… what would YOU do?

          Well… if you already do, what you think is the right thing… VERY WELL DONE MATE!!!

          And when you do NOT do what YOU think YOU should do… well, go ahead – do it!

          You have the potential of changing the world as well. START! DO IT! YOU CAN! 🙂

          Remember the good old Code of Honor?
          Don’t regret yesterday….. ?
          Be you own advisor…?

          For me it’s true – at least to my degree of reality.

          Living with the “imagination/thought/wish/certainty/boggus claim/hypnotic command” that
          I am an immortal soul/ghost/BT/cluster… buoawwhh…. buoawwhh…. made me more relaxed.

          Things look brighter and lighter now, than they did before. Is EVERYTHING easy? No. So what.
          BUT – holy molly, when someone gets in my way and tries to mess with me nowadays!
          Especially so called OT’s with no guts to look! GRRRRRRRRRRRR 😉 🙂

          All of them I would like to ask only ONE question? Do you KNOW by now, HOW TO KNOW???
          And when the answer is “YES!” and they are still waiting for OT IX to be released… ohh gosh!

          To finally comment on your comment… 😉

          Yes, it is common understanding between Scientologist that the concept of reincarnation exists.
          But it is free for the single Scientologist to come with his own truth/concept, how the past
          life/lives were.
          It has been noted, that even FLAG and RTC are unsure, on how to go about with PC’s that claim
          to have (at least) partially been a certain identity or close with a specific identity.

          When you are familiar with the upper levels, especially OTIII or with those two non-confidential
          references, you will understand the bigger picture of the problem, that they are suddenly facing:
          1) “THE NATURE OF A BEING” and 2) HISTORY OF MAN

          See, it could be said, that DM might have a big problem at his hand.
          Will ‘LRH’ come back?
          What’s with the BT’s and Clusters he has exteriorised/blown/used the Theta-Hand-Technique on?
          Are they also awareness units, that are aware of themselves?
          Does that ‘make’ them ‘regular’ Thetans as well?
          So, Who is ‘LRH’ REALLY – and of how many was ‘LRH’ composed of?
          Who is the REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY RIGHT Thetan….? Is that important at all?
          When DM would look at the original Dynamic-booklet, he would notice, that ONE I-S the dynamics.
          So at dynamic 7 or latest at dynamic 8, it’s not important anymore, or?

          Just my thoughts.

          • Stacy

            I’d like to think that in LRHs or DMs shoes, I’d behave very differently. But since I’ve never been in a position with such power. Perhaps I’d become corrupt and criminal too. I don’t know. But I do know that I’d be starting from a very different position than they both did- a position of honesty (I wouldn’t be in a position to ever push a fake religion on anyone since I think all religions are man-made methods of control and money-making schemes). So at least I’d start off right, which is more than can be said for LRH or DM. LRH started off mentally ill and unbalanced, and a pathological liar. DM started his reign as a corrupt, money-grubbing little tyrant with the emotional maturity of a slug. Maybe I’d end up like that, but at leastmy reign wouldn’t start there.

            I try to do as you post here, too. I try to do good, and leave the world a better place. Just getting by in life doesn’t appeal to me. I believe strongly in activism.

            Glad you’re out of CoS.

            • LRHBT

              Stacy,

              keep on doing the good work you do!

              And thanks for all the good you have already done in the past even if unbeknownst to others! 🙂

              PS:
              Who says that I am out? Pleeeeeaze don’t ASSUME!!
              Because when you “ASS-U-ME”, there is the chance that
              you make an “ASS” out of “U” and “ME”… 😉 🙂 🙂 🙂

              Looking at CoS – it’s… it’s… in a sad state of affairs when looking at it from ‘the outside.’

              But when getting around and seeing some other parts of the world – well, there ARE places, that are in dear need for some workable technology.

              BUT IT HAS TO BE SOMETHING THAT S-E-R-V-E-S T-H-E-M WELL!!!

              Not something that get’s shoved down their throats, because WE ARE THE BEST!
              F&%$ YOU!
              I think you get my point and tks for your perspective on the whole ‘deal’ with LRH & DM.

            • Stacy

              Well, if you’re still in, I sincerely hope you are well, and that you’re unafraid and healthy. If you’re looking for a way out, I hope you find one. If you’re not, please keep your very individual perspective that have right now, and stay on your toes. And good luck to you. Keep doing whatever you can to improve things.

              And remember, everybody has the right to choose how they want to be saved, and even IF they want to be saved. Good luck.

            • LRHBT

              +1000
              YESSSS!!!! 🙂

      • Roger Larsson

        Why waste money on crap?

        If Ron Hubbard had told scientologists to smile because he fooled them they had left
        his show with a laugh. If Allen Funt the founder of “Candid Camera” hadn’t told his victims to smile because they were in his candid camera they could still be scientologists or funtologists.

      • richelieu jr

        I thought the idea that you would be able to just continue up the bridge, using your past experience was invalidated in the 80s, wasn’t it?

        I was under the impression that even if you were clear you had to start again from zip.

        • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

          The Scientology Passport was resurrected in 1989-90, and made a new ad which was added to the Pro TRs film, or another often watched Tech Film (we on the RPF saw tech films every morning, first thing, at least 1-2 films per morning, so we saw ALL the Tech Films dozens and dozens and dozens of time, which is why I go on and on and on about them, I saw them over and over and over so much).

          So, if the Scientology Passport ad is still in one of the key Tech Films, you may need to know the additional detail which is that the Tech Films each of them, have an in house advertisement of something for one of the nicknack products, at the start of each film! Before the film, but part of that film when it’s loaded by the projector operator, the film has the ad stuck right at the start of the film, so we get to see the ads over and over and over too.

          The Scientology Passport ad was LRH either treatment written up or it was I think Louise Shekter’s husband Mark Shekter (sp?) who did the late 1970s film scripts original ones, and the ads, based on LRH’s advices for that film or based on what was called the LRH treatment (writeup) of that film or for the ads in general. Mark figured it out, wrote the ads, and he maybe did the ad for the Scientology Passport based on LRH’s advices on what the Scientology Passport should consist of.

          That was still going as of the late 1990s when I was watching the tech films over and over etc while I was on the RPF, so that’s as late as 2001.

          Now the other permanent LRH ref for the case folders being kept, is the Auditor Admin Series that applies to keeping a person’s folders after they die. It includes the C/S Series instructions to the C/S to have a deceased PCs folders checked to verify young new pcs who claim they were such and such a person in their past lives
          That C/S instruction was 1991 issued and in the 1991 HCOB vols. It would be a point to ask Dan Koon about, he compiled and verified I think about 80% of the issues for the tech vols of 1991. I myself was in RTRC (comps and I was briefly posted under Dan, 1988-1989, I saw Dan and others working on the compilations and revisions and updates of the 1991 HCOBs vols).

          A full article ought be done, maybe not waste the time, I used to urge tons of such point by point articles be done, but that’s enough above.

          • richelieu jr

            Wow, thanks Chuck! I don’t know who’d do such an article if not yourself, and you’ve already done plenty..
            Very interesting this passport thing. I had nay heard about the revocation, and there the revoke was revoked!
            My basic opinion on the article- Could be interesting, but given the choice between finally solving all of Scientology’s dirty little secrets and flushing the whole log down the ol’ toilet, I’m pulling the chine, mate!

            • LRHBT

              The revocation could partially also be explained by following facts:

              1) the first version included the “Guardian’s Office Worldwide”
              and it had the original OT levels (OT1 to OT7) in them to be stamped.
              (C) 1954, 1957, 1962, 1969, 1980 by L. Ron Hubbard

              2) the second version refered to the “International Justice Chief” instead…
              and had the “New OT levels (New OTI to New OTXV) in them to be stamped.
              PLUS THERE ARE 5 (FIVE!) LINES FOR THE 6 MONTHS CHECKS ON New OTVII !
              (C) 1988 by Church of Scientology International

              …also the number of books that should/could/have to be read differ.

              When someone wants to ask Dan Koon about all the compilation that was going on…
              please ask him as well about this crap and sh!&:

              http://mikemcclaughry.wordpress.com/2012/07/01/philadelphia-doctorate-course-pdc-20-alteration-the-full-story/

              http://mikemcclaughry.wordpress.com/2012/06/26/scientology-dan-koon-and-the-six-month-check-line/

              @Dan:
              It’s easy for me to bash on you and your staff,
              without ever having been in your/their position.
              I don’t want to make excuses or appologize –
              I simply want to know what went on exactly
              and why.
              Remember: Exact time, place, form and event?

              I assume it serves us all well, when we would
              understand for what problem all that editing
              was ACTUALLY a solution for.
              That would be very hepful I think.

              Thank you for all the GOOD word you did!

              PS:
              Any idea, why exactly THAT reference is missing
              in the current Tech-Volumes?

              What’s with “Issue I” bytheway?
              Is there also an “Issue III” or greater?

              http://www.iscientology.org/images/stories/files/ethics-repair-list.pdf

          • Anonymous

            One of the remarkable absurdities of Scientology is that the tech is presented many times by Hubbard as “completed” and at least once (per KSW) as essentially immutable (my word.)

            Yest that immutable tech has been reissued and “corrected / enhanced” at least twice in the last two decades on an almost wholesale basis via GAT I and GAT II.

            Thus the (1)completed and (2)immutable tech is…(3)revisable.

            But if (3) is possible, than neither (1) nor (2) can be true, yet they are still sold / trained as true.

            Does that not make even the most basic premise of Scientology a load of nonsense?

            • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

              “Fads and Fallacies” by Martin Gardner, the other chapters in the book that aren’t about Hubbard make points about the character of the crank.

              The crank’s blindspots are the problem, so the repeating mistakes and omissions by the crank’s methods and thinking cause for the followers and for the crank, continued illogical solutions they can’t see.

              Authoritarianism is the solution.

              Milgram experiment behavior and response of the followers follows.

    • Anonymous

      “They [the whales] don’t let themselves look too hard at these empty buildings the day after the openings.”

      As you know Chris, when a “whale” is given a tour of an Ideal Org, especially one to which they have donated heavily, that Ideal org is crammed to the gills with staff and public, all of whom have been press-ganged into the facility for a few hours to create the illusion of “production” while the whale is walked about.

      The charade described above goes on for an hour or two after the whale leaves in case he / she forgot her hat (or something else) and returns spontaneously to picked it up.

      Then…with the whale safely gone and out of sight, the press-ganged throng goes off in different direction and the Ideal Org returns to its normal operating situation which is a handful (or less) of people in the academy, maybe a PC or two in the HGC…and virtually nothing else of substance occurring anywhere. The place is virtually empty except for staff or Sea Org members standing around wondering who will be next in the blame parade for “why” stats are down (again.)

      There probably aren’t many ex-Scientologists on this blog that have not been roped into the fake “crowd” of one or more of these Potemkin Tours, provided for either a “whale” or a safe-pointed dignitary to make Scientology look like it “works.” Heh.

      • You got it.

      • Mark Foster

        Yup. Anyone who has been on staff can probably tell a story about being pulled off-post for a ¨Gold¨ photo-shoot to fill up a course-room or a chapel or an HGC.

      • Gene Trujillo

        I was in many “Gold Shoots” at PAC and Flag, that is one way I knew that everything you see in events is faked to be far more impressive than it really is.

        • Anonymous

          Note to lurkers who are under the radar and thinking about leaving Scientology:

          As mentioned by Gene above, almost everyone that has left Scientology personally experienced the reality of hearing / seeing a high level Scientologist they trusted tell a deliberate lie about something of importance to a reporter, a law enforcement officer or a judge.

          Scientology leadership has to lie…telling the full truth would cost them the support of the few remaining public Scientologists or possibly even…land them in jail.

    • Marta

      And to quiet the cognitive dissonance staff and “parishioners” understand, with their own branded version of 100% certainty, that Miscavige and upper management are “preparing to deliver” to the multitudes of people being ushered in.

    • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

      NO CHRIS SHELTON NO!

      The “Ideal Org” strategy has everything to do with servicing public or expanding the Scientology membership base.

      Indeed, the 87 Scientologists we are serving in our new $37,000,000 Australasia Transoceanic Hemispherical Semi-Aquatic Ideal Org proves that we deliver BLUE CHIP EXCHANGE!

      What other religion cares so much as to spend $425,287 per member on a new facility?

      We do that’s who!

      And now a word from our new sponsor (refresh):

      • LeeAnneClark

        Wow. If I was a parishioner at a church that was spending almost half-a-million just for ME on a fancy new building, I would expect that I would be crapping in a solid gold toilet while I’m there. Not to mention having use of an oiliness table stocked with the most expensive truffle oils.

      • Oh yes, I see the error of my ways now. This is definitely a full Condition Four Exchange in Abundance, isn’t it? I can’t believe I missed that earlier. What a silly person I am. Thanks for setting me straight. 😉

        • richelieu jr

          I forget– Does a “Full Condition Four Exchange in Abundance” beat Four of a Kind, or not?

          How about a “Midget, a Sebaceous Cyst, a Pile of HorseShit, and a Visa Machine”?

          • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

            How about we in RTC give you a KNUCKLE SANDWICH YOU SP!

        • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

          Chris, it’s definitely a full Condition Four Exchange in Abundance. Moreover, it’s COB’s way of really sticking it to the suppressive island nation of Australia and all of the %^$&((*& SP’s there who left the Church and have posted online.

          We in the Church of Scientology know that we are thought less of in Australia. Therefore, by purchasing a $37,000,000 prime piece of land we have told Australia to go to Hell!

          So there!

          • richelieu jr

            That’ll teach ’em!

            Here’s a shrimp for your barbies, Ozzies- David Miscavige!

  • Eivol Ekdal

    The new place is perfect. It meets all the security standards required for a base..
    Absolutley no passing foot traffic
    Onsite parking/berthing
    No neighbors
    Secluded
    Easy to surveil

    Only a bus stop area shared by wogs and advanced thetans. I presume they already bought the houses where the bus stop will go and probably the houses to the east.

  • Sid

    Demons begone! (refresh)

  • FOTF2012

    Maybe that excess traffic that is claimed comes from expelled body thetans hitching rides to the nearest maternity wards to pick up new bodies.

  • ze moo

    Eighty seven ‘parishioners’ divided by 220 ‘staff’ equals 2 1/2 staff for each ‘parishioner’. There is going to be nasty regging at this site. So, this is going to be Australasian headquarters for the clampire. Clams from all over Asia will come on down and study for months at a time. All of Australia will rejoice with the new ‘theta’ environment.

    Tie me kangaroo down sport
    Tie me kangaroo down {so I can reg it}
    Tie me kangaroo down sport, tie me kangaroo down…

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_D-LmRNdQiQ

    • Sherbet

      I’m not sure I’d prefer Rolf Harris as a neighbor over a bunch of scientologists. He has a quite checkered history. And by “checkered,” I mean “sordid.”

      • ze moo

        Rolf has place in hell, next to Jimmy Savile.

        • Sherbet

          Definitely, ze.

    • ItsIBBy

      I really truly have never understood the “why” behind this song. I’m sure there are some songs from my childhood that are equally wtf. 😀 😀

  • Hamtaro

    From the traffic study report: “this study has been prepared to accompany a development application to Willoughby City Council (Council).

    As any fan of the Twilight Zone will remember: you never want to get off the stop at Willoughby.
    “Willoughby, Willoughby, last stop, Willioughby.”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSk5-tIpKps

    • Missionary Kid

      I remember that episode, but only because there was a showing recently.

  • Are_sics

    Perhaps the building is not to intended to serve 87 people, but only one person.

    • Anonymous

      Awesome comment!

  • Anonymous

    It is possible that what we are seeing with this apparently absurd ” $37 million…building [purchased] to serve only 87 people” is nothing more than a way to “legally” move significant funds from one legal jurisdiction (such as the US) to another, such as that of Australia.

    Decades of history have shown that it is always best to view any announcement by Scientology leadership with suspicion as to the actual intent behind such announcement. Often times, turning the announcement completely upside down provides a clue as to the real motivations.

    Scientology as an enterprise (as well as Scientology leadership) are reaping the rotten harvest of the seeds of deception, bullying, beatings and other malevolent conduct which they have sown for decades in the United States. Dozens of lawsuits have been filed against the leadership and / or the various corporate entities under which Sceintology has operated in the US. One or more of those corporate entities may soon decalre bankruptcy to discharge the liabilities incurred as a result of the civil litigation tsunami.

    If a soon to be bankrupted entity were to simply move its assets to avoid seizure in an expected bankruptcy, those assets would be “clawed back” by the Justice Department trustee / judge handling the bankruptcy. But if the assets were used to PURCHASE something offshore in a such a manner as to make it look like an “unrelated transaction,” those assets might avoid the claw back.

    All of the above is speculation, but where Scientology is concerned (again) no announcement by its leadership should be taken at face value. The truth is simply not material to Scientology leadership as they “forward a purpose.”

    In fact, the truth is just another hurdle they must leap in order to get their own way.

    • ze moo

      I can’t see the Aussie contingent of the clampire raising 37 million. Hell, the clampire had to ‘loan’ New Zealand the 8 mill for their Idle mOrg in Auckland. By putting money in real estate in foreign parts, DM does spread out the risk of seizure from any but an Australian court.

      This move looks more like Miscavage window dressing to me. There is no real expectation of a return on the investment, just another excuse for Davy to fly to Australia and cut another ribbon. No matter how liberal Australia’s visa process is, there will never be enough clams to pay their way. $cientology is not growing in Asia, they enjoy the same shitty reputation there as here.

      • Anonymous

        “I can’t see the Aussie contingent of the clampire raising 37 million.”

        The most logical (but purely speculative) explanation is as you describe…spread the assets around so they are not all at risk in one legal jurisdiction. This is part and parcel of written Hubbard policy. It is also part of what Hubbard called being “Fabian.”

        And being Fabian is what law enforcement calls being “on the lam.”

    • romanesco

      Regardless of the specific disasters the church is trying to buffer itself against, there’s obviously a pattern of aggressive real estate acquisition in the the church lately, and I strongly doubt its only objective is window dressing. Miscavige doesn’t get an income by sitting on empty buildings, but buy and hold is always a good investment strategy. Possibly he’s gearing up for some Enron-esque scenario where he has to flee the country to avoid indictment.

      • Anonymous

        “Window dressing” is a phrase I never used in my post (although another, commenting on my post, did use that term.)

        I also did not use the term below previously, but I will now.

        It would appear from observing the multi-year pattern of behavior of church real estate acquisition well in excess of any conceivable practical need that quite another purpose is being forwarded…and that purpose is…money laundering.

        • romanesco

          Agreed. I also wonder if some donations are tax shelters. My use of the phrase “window dressing” referred to what appears to be a fairly common assumption around here that it’s the purpose of these purchases. Your post doesn’t suggest you share that idea.

          • Anonymous

            Tax shelter? Perhaps.

            Not sure how a real estate based tax shelter would work for the church (at least in the US) as in many cases (not all) 501(c) (3) corporations are exempt from federal income tax, but NOT state and local property taxes.

            The tax codes are so massive that one could probably find a way to assert just about anything if there was sufficient financial incentive.

            Sort of like Hubbard’s voluminous nonsense…it can be made to appear to say just about whatever one wants.

            EDIT to add: It would not surprise me, although I have no specific evidence of such, that some of the real estate maneuvering done by the church DOES somehow benefit some of the largest whales, via the manner in which certain transactions are structured. If that were provable…all sorts of things become possible…and prosecutable.

    • John P.

      I would observe that the lack of liquidity in real estate trumps any benefit of making any of Scientology’s revenue look more legit than it already is. There’s no accountability within the Scientology organization, either within the organization or any external means to keep it accountable to other interests (no shareholders, no functioning board of trustees with fiduciary responsibility to make the cult hew to its mission, no real chance of effective prosecution for financial crimes, etc).

      I continue to believe that, to prevent the US government from getting to its cash hoard, need only continue to do what it’s done: keep funds in offshore banking havens, with “walking accounts” keeping money almost constantly on the move between dozens of jurisdictions and within a network of hundreds or potentially thousands of accounts. That’s a far better way to ensure that money doesn’t get seized than investing in a big fat piece of property that is in the same location the day after tomorrow and the day after that.

      While I agree with you that in many cases, the cult does things for reasons counter to the “shore story,” it appears that the reason for building this Australian facility is quite clear: the Ideal Org scam is running its course, because people are starting to realize that there is no expansion in the new Ideal Orgs, just more empty space.

      On the other hand, the cult continues to have some success press-ganging bodies into the Sea Org, typically from impoverished countries through visa fraud and other crooked means. They’ll have a better chance at showing a full building of Sea Org slaves to big donors than they will showing a course room full of PC’s at an Ideal Org.

      In other words, the Ideal Mimeo/Copy Center scam is more likely to continue without being shown as the Potemkin Village it actually is than the Ideal Orgs. I think the answer is just that simple.

      • Anonymous

        You may be right…the motives for doing what has been announced are uncertain…but do not plausibly include the need for additional delivery space, given the dearth of customer demand.

        Some weeks ago I posited the idea that the large non-US Narconon facilities that were announced as in the planning stages, might actually serve as offshore “holes” to deposit troublesome and out PR Sea Org folks who were too aged to be “productive” or other undesirables, such as PC’s who had gone Type III (nuts) while receiving auditing…or just someone who ran afoul of Miscavige for whatever reason.

        Within the above (older post) I also speculated that the INT Base “hole” was merely the pilot for the new international “holes” that were going to be built / purchased. The large new international Narconon’s would probably need to be “secure” because of the public they service, thus razor wire fencing could be explained away as necessary to protect the “privacy” of those inside. Heh.

        This Australian boondoggle may be part of a similar plan.

        • John P.

          Yes, it’s certainly possible that they’ll have offshore “hole” facilities. However, it’s entirely possible that the Australian “hole” already exists. Look back at Tony’s report from 2012, back in the Village Voice era, where ABC reporter Brian Seymour exposed an RPF facility in a different Sydney suburb. Pretty chilling stuff…

          • Anonymous

            Yes…but you know how Scientology likes to “double down” on a bad hand.

          • Anonymous

            One additional thought about the thread above on the relative merits of moving cash around versus buying a big hunk of foreign property to launder that same cash.

            As you know, the bankruptcy courts in the US are an arm of the Justice Department. They have quite bit of authority to poke around into pretty much any person’s or organization’s finances, books, records, accounts, files, titanium-lined-vaults etc., if they are sufficently motivated.

            This is speculation, but stay with me here:

            Assume Scientology US corporate “entity A” is holding a large pile of cash, for whatever reason. Assume that cash is at risk of seizure because of one of the many trials / hearings under way against the church and specifically “entity A.”

            In the past when (plaintiff X) was about to be awarded a boat load of money in a judgement against the old Church of Scientology of California, that entity tried to transfer it’s cash assets to another church controlled entity. This of course, was fraudulent conveyance and virtually all of the Badges of Fraud were evident, thus such movement of funds would have been reversed by the bankruptcy court if it had been completed. The cash would be clawed back into the original entity.

            Learning from the above history, if “entity A” now finds itself in a similar situation, moving cash (which can be traced much easier today due to changes in the law and bank reporting) is unwise. However, using that same cash to buy a piece of offshore property (in essence, laundering the money) in what can be argued is an “unrelated transaction” could defeat (or at least delay) a clawback in a future bankruptcy.

            The above is esoteric and my explanation is pretty clumsy, but having worked both with / against some of the a-holes from the Enron fiasco, I am aware of what those people were capable of doing and they look like nice folks compared to some of the a-holes in Scientology.

            There is nothing…and I do mean N O T H I N G that certain folks in Scientology leadership will not do to get their own way (which is the truthful definition of what is meant in Scientology by “putting in ethics.”

            The boldness of the deceit of that leadership is increasing with each passing year since the tax exemption. Actual ethics need to be applied by the legal system (and not the fake and entirely self-serving “ethics” of Scientology leadership.)

          • Eivol Ekdal
  • daytoncapri

    OT – Motivated reasoning and cognitive dissonance in the voting public, or why we choose to believe lies.

    “human beings have a tendency to engage in what is called “motivated
    reasoning,” meaning the way they view evidence and come to make
    decisions is not to better understand “the truth” but, rather, to
    achieve self-serving goals. One goal could be the reduction of cognitive
    dissonance, or holding two incompatible opinions in one’s mind at the
    same time.”

    Read more: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/11/voters-lies-midterms-112467.html#ixzz3I7Cjx51Z

    • 1subgenius

      Very important concepts.

      • daytoncapri

        I think that boils it down pretty well.

        I will add that maybe, just maybe, rising above this folly is possible IF we can see that in ourselves.

        Your formulation might makes it possible. I take your post it as evidence that we want to do better.

        • Someone once told me, “Don’t believe everything you think.” Good advice.

          • daytoncapri

            Ha ha! So true!

    • Anonymous

      Good article…thanks for the link.

      Another name for the phenomenon is a descent into tribalism…which is a common phenomenon when folks feel helpless, confused or threatened.

      Here is yet another explanation, offered only half in jest: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ST86JM1RPl0

      • lucille austero

        Plus 47 for Tears For Fears 🙂

      • daytoncapri

        If I ruled the world, I’d probably botch it with the best of intentions. My first order: everyone get on a bicycle for 5 hrs / day. End goal: All men and women must look like the cast of Baywatch.

      • lucille austero

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFsHSHE-iJQ

        And here is yet one more explanation.

        ETA: The Adam Lambert version is excellent.

        • beauty for ashes

          was just thinking about this song! i didn’t know adam lambert covered it! my favorite is still the version in donnie darko.

  • dagobarbz

    Heh. They must have learned their lesson after Sandy Springs. See, boasting about 10,000 members is fine when you’re trying to convince members they’re not alone. But boasting publicly about 10,000 members when you’re trying to force an Ideal Org into a neighborhood? Not so smart. Neighborhoods don’t care for things like that in the ‘hood.

  • Panopea Abrupta

    There has to be a typo in today’s headline or in the $cientology dox.

    Gotta be $47 million, c’mon Tony.

    I received the following from a source who wishes to remain Anonymous.

    Make of it what you will.

    The exclusive $cientology Apocalypse Swiss Navy Knife:

    Made from platinum, walnut burl and whalebone, this is the pocket knife no cult leader or mentally and dentally challenged star should be without. Designed and manufactured to our exacting specifications in an undisclosed bunker in New York, this limited edition creation will be available in a mere two copies for only another 4.7 years to accommodate the unplanned but imminent obsolescence of said cult.

    It comes with a plethora of must-have accoutrements, never before seen in any pocket knife.

    YOU can feel special with this bulletproof 4.7 kilo knife to hide behind when the faeces hits the ventilation device.

    Unique features

    Miniature body thetan scraper for those hard-to-reach spots

    Collapsible night stick for ecclesiastical beatings

    Automatic “wins” generator – creates max. 1500 word vapid unverifiable generalities including but not limited to parking spaces, traffic lights, insouciance and hostile aliens. Comes programmed in Sherman-speak but can also accommodate Urdu, Swahili and Inuktitut. English is unfortunately not available but future improvements may add it.

    Handy unisex credit card remover, for prying maxed out cards from the clutches of bankrupt parishioners

    Useful critical thinking eraser

    SP night detector (the essential travel tool, otherwise known as a flashlight, that will allow you to clearly see and identify the 99.99999999947% of Teegeack’s population who are SPs. Due to technical difficulties, you will also see all the 47 remaining $cientologists. The forthcoming $cientology Swiss Navy Knife Mark II promises to remedy this defect and you will be eligible for a 4.7% discount when it becomes available.Batteries are NOT included)

    Seasoning dispenser (for spicing up rice and beans)

    Sacramental Ashtray with enhanced echo-chamber, to really crank up your yellingness to Stain Hell levels.

    Niacin container and body-lotion tube – excellentness for any rash decisions you might make

    Miniature combination Telex/Fax/Rotary Phone to stay in commness with the 1950’s

    Rolodexfor quick access to extradition lawyers and tax lawyers

    Pompadour maintenance kit

    GPS (Guh-LAC-tic Positioning System) so you can always see just how tiny and insignificant you truly are

    Macallan thimble for accurate non-drug self-medication

    Asthma inhaler for the cleared and fully cured condition you never have

    Blood pressure gauge reading up to 250 for systolic and 200 for diastolic per your MD’s specs

    Reclining fold-out ego massager for when even sycophancy cannot soothe

    Ribbon Cutter for your personal REIT openings

    $cientology Calculator for quick and easy multiplication by 47

    The SP helicopter laser does not come as an integral part of the knife. It may be ordered separately.

    All this and more for the modest price of $47 million plus S & H of $4,747.47

    • Missionary Kid

      I’m still laughing. Good one.

    • i-Betty

      Sacramental Ashtray! Hur hur 😛

  • Missionary Kid

    Kind of OT. I had a fantasy that some time in the far future, civilization has collapsed, and aliens land and discover LRH’s writings. They decode them, then decide to incinerate earth because if mankind would try to immortalize such evil “tech,” then he truly must be toxic, and shouldn’t be allowed to exist.

    I certainly wouldn’t want to be judged on the basis of LRH’s writings.

    • HillieOnTheBeach

      The way things are going, earth will incinerate itself.

    • ze moo

      I consider Lroon a galactic intelligence test, one that perhaps 20 thousand of us have failed. The rest of us get to take multidimensional physics for fun and profit.

  • What’s the problem here? Elwrong said repeatedly in policy – The public knows us by our MEST – meaning Matter Energy Space & Time. In other words, stuff. So naturally his dwarf whacker drone, Miss Cabbage, is simply acquiring MEST robotically. Easier to sell the assets when he retires to Bulgravia! The new $cientology slogan is “The public knows us by our MESS” but so what? Lil Davey be a landLORD.

    • Jimmy3

      I’m just wondering what COB’s projections are for this; what does he expect in fundraising profit? We have no idea what the project will actually cost, or if it’ll even be approved. But they’ve put $33 million USD into it already, so it seems they’re quite confident. But what’s a good profit from this project, long-term?

      And hey, isn’t there a building they don’t have enough money to renovate in Boston? I’ve said this before, but now I’m *really* convinced this is all a scam.

      • I guarantee you that “The public knows us by our MEST” has been said over and over and over to the “whales” (big dependable donors) who probably each believe that personally. It doesn’t matter that the splendor of Versailles didn’t help the French royal family escape the guillotine. The Reichstag was a pretty impressive building at one point, too. The thinking is “Wow, those big beautiful buildings are impressive, $cientology must be okay.” But the thinking won’t work out that way. And the whales and others – stupid hypnotized dolts that they are – don’t look into ownership. If they did they would be accused of being a “plant” or “enemy” or something. I imagine when the shit hits the fan, Miss Cabbage has it rigged so that he can sell everything at will and take the money and get the hell to Bulgravia to die his well-deserved lingering death.

    • Nothing wrong with flowing a little power to source though.

      http://markrathbun.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/lrh-la-quinta-22.jpg?w=500&h=282

      • Sherbet

        He looks like someone’s sad old grampa in that picture, not the lying and greedy false prophet he became. If only he had shut up once in awhile and confined his sci fi ramblings to paperback novels.

  • See see; Scientology provides beautiful buildings for it’s Parishoners. Wait a minute….

    -Ron

    • Tony Ortega

      If you read Ron’s original manuscripts and letters, he was actually fairly felicitous with language and punctuation. If you’re going to imitate the man, errors in punctuation and spelling and capitalization tend to spoil your schtick.

      • You mean that’s not LRH come back to “clear” the ‘Bunker? It sure looks like His Fatness.

        • Tony Ortega

          I tend to think that a really well-done Hubbard imitation could be extremely funny here in the Bunker.

          • Eivol Ekdal

            I am having trouble thinking how you would actually type some of the shit that came out of his head….
            “Rmmm”, he says “Rmmmm. Zooooom! Hrrm. Hey that’s mine!” he’d say. “I’m leaving!” I’d say “Good bye!”

          • True, but we would not want someone’s brain “to freeze like that!” 🙂

            • You mean “to duplicate my teachings”.

              -Ron

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InxH17P5I58

            • Sideliner1

              All I can say is WOW!!!!!
              D E L U S I O N A L!!

            • April

              I could only stomach about two minutes of that guy’s drivel. Yikes.

            • Sideliner1

              RIGHT!

            • HillieOnTheBeach

              To be fair, IIRC, there is another video of that man totally broken and drooling; obviously mentally ill.

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNy-4xvI47I

              There were commenters questionning at the time whether scientology was the cause of the man’s breakdown or if it was a symptom manifested in obsessive/manic form, nonetheless completely unhelpful to a serious underlying problem. Judge for yourself.

            • April

              Thanks for sharing that video. Now I just feed sad for the guy.

            • Ron friendly

          • That would make me angry. REAL! angry!

      • “There is a condition worse than blindness, and that is, seeing something that isn’t there”

        L. Ron Hubbard

      • Eivol Ekdal

        I refuse to capitalize scientology as there is nothing proper about it.

      • You should read more of my policy letters. Many ways to spell Volcano or Rollercoaster.

        -Ron

      • grundoon

        Tony, the “extraordinary solution” message which “L. Ron Hubbard” has posted above, is quoted verbatim from HCOPL 24 FEBRUARY 1964, ORG PROGRAMMING. The punctuation, spelling and capitalization are exactly as found in OEC Volume 4.

        With a few exceptions like OT3 (which is no model of clarity) we have little of Hubbard’s original materials handwritten or typed by him personally. Many were dictated. The punctuation, spelling and capitalization vary depending on the people who transcribed, retyped and re-edited the materials on their way to publication. At Saint Hill, some of the minions were very well educated and there was rarely a slip-up in grammar or mechanics. Later Hubbard had illiterate CMO children taking his dictation. In any of Hubbard’s published writings, unless there is a holographic manuscript or unedited audio recording, it is no small task to trace the textual history back to “Source.”

  • But recent census reports show that Australia has only about 2,000 Scientologists.

    Ha! Yes, and half of those people who said that were joking, putting that down because there is an overwhelming desire for people to muddy-up the various Census data in all countries that have them. We do it here in the United States to screw with our Oligarchy, no doubt Australia has a thousand people (at the very least) that put “Scientology” down as a joke and as a means to say “:F you” to their own corporate oppressors — or for many other reasons.

    On the gripping hand there may be Scientology customers who are embarrassed to admit their obvious gullibility on Census forms. 🙂 Maybe those who lie balance themselves out. 🙂

  • Those of us who are not high-level Scientologists can do nothing about the hundreds or thousands of unseen, disembodied space alien souls (called “Body Thetans”) which are stuck inside and around us.

    Sure there is, Tony! We can go to a freaken’ psychiatrist and get medications which stop such insane delusions from our unfortunate brains.

  • Missionary Kid

    They might have more than 87 people there because they’ll use the building to isolate new recruits from other parts of Asia.

  • $37,000,000 divided by 87 = $425,287 per person. I assume each customer will have to spend that much in order for the org to reach flat brokenness!

    • Eivol Ekdal

      Or COB cashed in one of Bob’s morning golden turds and the rest is gravy.

    • ze moo

      The new Aussie AO has no hope of making such money. It doesn’t matter how many Taiwanese or Kiwis or any other nationality show up, this must be a pr and tax scam in the name of COB.

  • nottrue

    needs work….

  • ANGRY GAY POPE CONFRONTS SCIS OVER EMPTY ORGS

    http://youtu.be/cZx_umIiCRI

    • Todd Tomorrow

      “they all look like they work in a steak house.” HeHe!

      • Sherbet

        “I’m Tiffany. I’ll be your server tonight. May I start you off with an appetizer, perhaps our steamed clams? AGP has personally steamed every one of them.”

        • Todd Tomorrow

          “Please get this note to one of my loved ones in, Australia.”

          • Sherbet

            Hahaha! Funny, Todd.

        • ze moo

          ‘Brain Sizzlers’. Loved the Tubular Bells at the end.

          • Sherbet

            Or the Long Con Steakhouse.

    • flyonthewall

      I love your work Pope!

      • April

        OMG he cracks me up.

    • NOLAGirl

      There’s your Sea Org under-the-radar Scientologists. What is supposed be the greatest force in Scientology runs in the face of one man with a camera, as they always do. These people couldn’t shatter a wet paper bag. Wake up! Stop giving your money to Miscavige! Find the nearest exit and leave!

  • Marc Headley

    Proposed letter to the Mayor.

    “I think we are focusing on the wrong issue with these new Scientology Advanced Org facilities. If Scientologists are ridding themselves of countless numbers of unwanted Body Thetans in these Advanced Org (AO) locations, who is supposed to support these Homeless Body Thetans (HBTs) and their endless confused roaming? It is written by L Ron Hubbard, that one person could have hundreds of thousands or even millions of BT’s attached to themselves. If just ten scientologists show up for OT levels we could be facing an HBT epidemic of massive proportions. Can you imagine the sides of the freeways around this place?

    If Scientologists are paying hundreds of thousands of dollars to get rid of these things, I am not sure how they can rationalize just dumping them on the locals. It seems that there might be a need for an HBT tax to be imposed based on the number of HBTs released into the public domain. If the Scientologists are opposed to the tax, the local city council members for this area should require the Scientologists build a volcanic containment unit for these HBTs BEFORE they occupy the facilities. They should be made to invest in proton storage and have proper capture units installed so that no errant HBTs are created.

    Also, I doubt that any proper study of these HBTs has been done. How do we know that once discarded these HBTs don’t have super BT strength? If they are able to reattach to a new host, do they require the same amount of removal effort or are they now immune to this, having been removed once already? If Scientology texts are accurate, these HBTs are older and more resilient than cockroaches. These HBTs could make the Ebola virus look like a picnic.

    The Scientologists know what they are doing and seem to be just fine on dumping these HBTs in the local area. There are no precautionary measures in place at ANY of their Advanced Org facilities around the world. ALL of these existing AO locations are veritable ghost towns currently. How do we know that there is not some correlation between the HBT’s and the ghost town syndrome?

    This is serious business. I think that the Scientologists should hire Dr. Peter Venkman to work this out and make a proposal to the city. Anything less is just irresponsible on their part.

    Concerned Member of the Public.”

    • Sherbet

      Laughing my rump off! Dr. Venkman is just who we need on the case. Who (else) ya gonna call?

    • ze moo

      Does ‘never cross the streams’ = ‘never cross the cans’?

    • LMAO!

        • Sherbet

          Now some bleeding-heart social activists are going to want to provide Homeless Body Thetans with free health care, meals, shelter. Where will it end??

          • lucille austero

            And an Obamaphone.

            • Sherbet

              Ooops! I’m not going there, Lucille, especially on Election Day. 😉

          • Todd Tomorrow

            Yes, I’d prefer to refer to them as, intergalactic pioneer body thetans.

            • Sherbet

              Oh, sure, put some liberal spin on the the term HBT. I call ’em like I see ’em. Damn parasites, um, former parasites.

    • i-Betty

      Beautiful!

    • “Anything helps. Xenu bless!”
      (refresh)

    • Sid

      They could make millions by re-marketing their celebrity BTs. I’d pay big money for one of Kate Ceberano’s discarded BTs. I’ve already got one from Kirsty’s ass, and one from Tom’s tooth. Just need a Cebarano one to add to my collection.

    • Sid

      They just need some celebrities to blow out some of their BTs locally. (refresh)

      • Sherbet

        What do you have in a pre-Sharpie John Travolta hairdo BT?

        • Sid

          We have some from the Chia-pet years, as well as many from the Sharpie days. Not too many of the Quiff BTs, but we have a couple left of the Battlefield Earth Dreadlocks style. Just one BT left from the Grease Pompadour hair though so if you’re interested I’d implant it right away.

          • Sherbet

            Choices, choices…I’ll get back to you, Sid.

    • Anonymous

      If I was the mayor and received such a letter I would assume the author was insane…or possibly an ex-Scientologist trying to explain the insane beliefs of the group they had exited.

      Either way, it would be a hoot.

    • flyonthewall

      It’s good except that Peter Venkman is a fictional character in a movie, he can’t remove HBT’s. Did you mean to say Bill Murray? I don’t think he actually busts ghosts though in real life

      • lucille austero

        Whah? Way to burst my bubble, Fly!!

        • flyonthewall

          for rizzle my lizzle

    • arcinva

      Thank you for your sharing your concern, Member. We in the Church of Scientology would like to assure you that appropriate measures have been taken to deal with these BTs. Please refer to the attached. As you can see, we have developed a state-of-the art containment unit called The Mark MMXIV Body Thetan Containment Unit that we plan on installing in every AO worldwide… as soon as fundraising goals have been met by the local parishioners. For the HBTs that are released in the interim time before such longterm containment can be purchased, we have drawn up plans (refer to attachments b and c) for portable cleanup and containment. So please don’t mind our mess, we are sure the HBTs won’t constitute an undue burden on the city until such time that they can be relocated.

      Sincerely,
      RTC

      • arcinva

        Trying attachments again…

      • romanesco

        Simple HVAC filter

      • Mark Foster

        A little OT 7 refresher(new OT 7, not the old one):

        INSTRUCTIONS

        The Pre-OT now works solo on cleaning up the body of BT/cluster masses, one area

        at a time, until each is clean and transparent to his perception. Each of the various

        techniques given in the materials are used as needed to blow these BT/cluster masses.

        You may in some instances have to have the Pre-OT handle BTs Dianetically

        running them back through a chain of incidents. This can be complex with 3 or 4 BTs and

        chains crossed.

        It is very dicey to run engrams on BTs as, although they may have one mutual one,

        each one has an earlier chain for it that is different than that of the others in the cluster,

        so you limit the action to the mutual incident they have in common. Scn Grades O-IV can

        be run on a BT but this would not be usual as the BTs we’re dealing with in NED for OTs

        are below that.

        When the Pre-OT has a transparent body and a clear area around it to some distance

        (barring perception of other people’s difficulties) and when he realized he is alive and

        very much himself the EP of NED for OTs has been reached.

        When this EP is reached then one will have achieved “CAUSE OVER LIFE”.

        LRH (IGP: inter-guh-lactic pimp)

    • grundoon

      Square and round beds of daisies will be planted all around the AO for bioremediation. With super powered fans to blow and disperse the HBTs.

  • Michael Leonard Tilse

    The former National Acoustics Lab becomes the new Scientology Advanced Org, where no one can hear you scream.

  • ItsIBBy

    I dont know much about the real estate side of buildings, but beyond the usual megalomania and keeping up appearances of buying large building and renovating them, is Dave sinking money into real estate to limit its liquidity in the face of lawsuits?

    • Marc Headley

      For legal reasons they have a very hard time bringing money into the U.S. from certain other countries. They have been stock piling this cash for years. In some of these same countries, stock piling the cash is also a problem so every once in awhile they have to dump a large portion and this is where these purchases come in.

      It is also a good measurement of how much they are making. You could divide the amount they just spent into the years past since the last major purchase and now you know about how much they are making per year in that area.

      • ItsIBBy

        ah hah! Thanks Marc! Thats a great way to break down the numbers. I do not have the knack for accounting

  • Chee Chalker

    Think of how many people could be helped with 37 million…..but instead, let’s buy a building we have no use for!

    • Think of how many people were hurt to amass that $37 million.

      • Chee Chalker

        Yes, excellent point!

  • Panopea Abrupta

    Red-X Red-X Red-X

    Down to a mere 228 ads.
    Heh heh, this is enturbulating at it’s best.
    Knock a few more of the down here:
    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-Kvg78kCcvo5gL7UfPcmhmbsagTNtdj0y2LAiHVFrCU/pubhtml

    TICK TOCK, LilFiveOne

      • Science Doc

        The Harlequin was the hero. They explicitly did 1984 stuff to him to break him in the end. DM is the Tick Tock Man.

        • At the end, one of the Ticktockman’s subordinates tells the Ticktockman that he is three minutes behind schedule. The Ticktockman walks away to his office “going mrmee, mrmee, mrmee, mrmee”.

          • Missionary Kid

            That sounds like what I hope Davy does when he finally throws in the towel.

      • Missionary Kid

        Harlan Ellison has always been outspoken and, at times outrageous. Many years ago, for my own amusement, after Harlan went on the Tonight show and talked about winning a lawsuit against someone who’d ripped him off, I wrote a very short story riffing on it. I made sure that the show was not anything like Johnny Carson or Tonight, because Johnny had too much class for the talk show host I depicted, who was smarmy and friends with the people who lost.

        The punch line was, “Repent, Harlan,” said the tacky talk man.

        OK. Dumb pun.

        Tick Tock Davy.

  • Tony Ortega

    Your proprietor has cast his ballot in today’s midterm elections. He encourages all of the American readers of this website to do the same.

    • Sherbet

      I would expect nothing less from Uncle Sam.

    • ItsIBBy

      its my first priority after leaving work. Before i even go home!

    • NOLAGirl

      Done. 🙂

    • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

      Scientology has the only workable technology for managing populations and planets.

      • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

        Democracies are suppressive and wogs should not be allowed to vote on anything

        • Juicer77

          I gesture at you with my voter’s card!

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        That is why I wrote in L. Ron for Governor of the Vast Florida Territory!!!

  • NOLAGirl

    O/T: Not sure which is more of a crime, the current Miss New York at a Scientology front event or the boots she’s wearing with that dress. http://seccheck.wordpress.com/2014/11/04/foundation-for-a-drug-free-world-rockaway/

    • ItsIBBy

      i cant with those boots. wrong color, wrong cut. The dress doesnt work either. Lengthen the skirt a teeny but and go with classic black pumps

      • Sherbet

        Go with Nike trainers and RUN out of that event, Miss New York.

        • ItsIBBy

          ha! Your idea is even better Sherb! I got focused on the fashion

    • Chee Chalker

      Wow oh wow…I have to say the boots….they’re that bad……

    • Ardent

      Make me puke! See those kids holding up ‘Dianetics’ pamphlets? AAARRGHHHHH…….

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      I’m sorry, but New York has MUCH better to offer than that.

  • nottrue
    • Sherbet

      No! That’s horrifying! Sisters, Google narconon! How on earth did narconon sell its scientology bill of goods to nuns?

      • HillieOnTheBeach

        It’s what happens when good intentions and a complete misunderstanding of the problem collide.

        • Sherbet

          Someone should whack those nuns with a ruler.

          • L. Wrong Hubturd

            It looks like someone already did…at least to the shorter one. Poor thing.

      • beauty for ashes

        oh god! major wave of scionnausea! not the nuns c’mon?

      • Baby

        Narconon Google Nuns

    • Todd Tomorrow

      Come on folks, they don’t donate shit unless they’ll plan on getting a big return on their investment. Ever seen, Narcaloon for free in the, US? Well they are going after developing countries to set up in where they can just,”tip”, the police or others to stay out of their business model. This medical tourism has been getting bigger every year. I just rang up their toll free number and guess what, an Australian woman answered in, English!
      Mexico is just a quick flight from the states, where they are under pressure by litigation and intrusive health inspectors. With a cheap flight to, Mexico they can even charge less and still bring in a bundle. All of, Russia’s treatment centers are made up of cults who only take girls. WTF? These new countries where they can dictate terms are their new economic frontier. Want to have your dead dog cloned? Tiwan can do that, although most don’t act the same as your long lost friend. Face lift in your future? Brazil, has the most per capita and cost a third of what it does in the, US.
      Is Johnny on Reds and Sally’s smack habit returned? Call the toll free number above and you’ll have your loved one surrounded by a bunch of frumpy nuns and guards with guns. Don’t want to take your niacin? Want to go home? Wondering off into the desert with a compass can be very dangerous especially when you smoked high grade marijuana like I did before cub scouts! That is my take on these new, Inarcaloons. It’s in the clam manual on what to do when you have to flee to floating ships when the locals pelt your old cattle freighters with beer bottles.

  • John P.

    Let’s take a look at one detail of the facility plan: the fact that the cult paid AU$37 million (US$32 million; I’ll use US dollars for the rest of this comment) for this building. The planning documents confirm what was already a reasonable estimate: that there are less than 200 Scientologists “on lines” in Sydney. I suspect that a significant number of the approximately 2,000 Scientologists in Australia are staffers, in many cases brought in from Taiwan and other places, and are locked away in the facility in the Dundas suburb of Sydney. The 200 on lines represents the entire local donor base.

    If we believe that the local field has raised $32 million, then you’re looking at an average of $160,000 for each and every one of the 200 public in the greater Sydney area. Even presuming ruthless efficiency of the cult’s vampirical money extraction machine, that’s a pretty staggering per capita take from a single campaign. The average household income in the Greater Sydney area is about AU$62,000 per year (US$54,000), similar to the US. I don’t think that even the LA area has managed to deliver $160,000 per person for a single campaign.

    I thus believe that Miscavige is pulling (yet another) fast one on the public — I suspect that the central organization has lent the Australian org most of the purchase price for the building, just as it has for the Auckland NZ building (as evidenced by a dive through publicly available financial statements filed with the NZ government). Auckland has a debt of over NZ$10 million on the balance sheet, which is not being repaid; the NZ Org revenue IIRC was only about NZ$250,000 per year.

    It’s possible that Miscavige is using the Sydney facility as a way to fleece some of the large whales in the US population to pay back the loan, just as Tony recently revealed he has done by getting Bob Duggan to fund the South African buildings in exchange for taking some extra kids off Duggan’s hands. If so, it would be interesting to see if anyone has any evidence of who might be getting soaked for this particular donation. I doubt there are any Australian culties that have enough cash for the subject; James Packer is the only possible name I could come up with and he is long gone if memory serves me correctly.

    A facility in Sydney is a long way from the US donor base, so they’d be relatively unlikely to pop in to see just how badly the project is faring, unlike the Valley Org, which is so close that it takes but a few minutes to drive by and notice the difference between the way the building (and the neighborhood, with bars on the windows of many nearby houses) looks versus the rosy architectural drawings. I thus suspect that fleecing the US public is the real point of the Sydney project. Does anyone have any specific evidence for or against this proposition?

    • Tony Ortega

      People are asking me if this isn’t just a real estate investment. But you have said in the past that as investments, the Ideal Org purchases have been pretty bad purely as moneymakers. How about this property, with this large lab that developers would rather tear down and replace with condos, but the local planners haven’t let them?

      Are the folks who say DM is just investing in property for money reasons on to something, or is this another puzzling purchase as far as future value?

      • John P.

        On the one hand, the facility is a bargain because it’s been vacant for years, and the fact that the zoning is restricted and that the proposed condo project failed would certainly depress the purchase price that the cult paid.

        On the other hand, should the cult want to sell the property, they will only face a harder time selling it than the government faced finding a buyer of last resort to take over a property that had been empty and deteriorating for decades.

        If you look at the area on Google Maps, it’s pretty clear that Chatswood and the adjacent districts are very carefully centrally planned. There is zero neighborhood retail (service stations, small shops, etc) for at least a half mile radius around the property. There is a single downtown core district for Chatswood with high-rise office and small and big-box retail about a half mile east of the property, and the only multi-family dwellings in the immediate area seem to be immediately adjacent to the downtown core.

        Because of the careful central planning and the exclusive use of the land for single family residential, as well as the fact that the facility itself is located two streets removed from an A-level two-laner (the equivalent of a state highway in the US), it is a virtual certainty that any future tenant would have to prove to the satisfaction of the local government that the traffic patterns would be even less than the actual usage shown by Scientology when it owned the building.

        Over time, property prices in Chatswood are likely to increase at a higher rate than that of the broader Sydney area, since the cult’s property is only about 5 miles from the Sydney downtown area, and it’s eminently commutable via light rail and bus. That will make neighbors even more strict as property values increase in their opposition to any high-traffic, high noise or high density use of the property going forward.

        In other words, the very things that make the property a relative bargain to purchase today will make it even more of a straitjacket in the future. It’s unlikely that the cult will be able to sell this property either quickly or at a profit should it wish to do so.

        Typically, to make money in real estate, you have to be able to get in front of a change in the local real estate scene, such as redevelopment, population shift, unanticipatedly robust economic growth, etc. But Chatswood is a mature area that’s not likely to see a shift in development patterns; there’s little undeveloped land and an extremely rigorous planning process.

        I am therefore certain that there is little chance that the cult would be able to make money selling this property at any point in the future. I continue to argue strenuously that, for the reasons above plus reasons I’ve often cited in the past (buying for cash instead of financing most of the purchase price when interest rates are this low, poor maintenance, overimprovement for the location, etc.) that there is no way the cult makes money on anything other than selling core properties in LA (HGB, Big Blue, etc.) and a handful of others (the old Transamerica building in SF).

        • Tony Ortega

          John P is still the master.

          • Hamtaro

            Did you ever doubt that? I don’t, even on the rarest of occasions when I happen to disagree with him.

            Debating John P. about real estate or high finance is like getting into the ring with Rocky: you’re hoping to survive the sparring practice but you don’t expect to ever survive the first round.

        • HillieOnTheBeach

          “there is no way the cult makes money on anything other than selling
          core properties in LA (HGB, Big Blue, etc.) and a handful of others (the
          old Transamerica building in SF).”

          I still wonder if that would be the case even for those buildings. Despite the prime location value, the overimprovements and specialized spacial set-ups, I suppose, would be a turnoff for buyers. It’s certainly not “as-is” useful office space, therefore I assume, leverage for lower purchase offer.

          • John P.

            The thing about the SF property, the NY org and the key Hollywood properties is their traffic and their location in a highly dense urban core in cities where the overall economics are positive. Additionally, the cult bought these buildings decades ago so the time value of money is also working in its favor.

            In those relatively few cases, the cost to gut and redo the cult’s specialized build-out is minimal relative to the value of the location and the historical facade.

            However, other key facilities are significantly overimproved for the area. They’ve spent hundreds of millions of dollars putting up buildings at Int Base, which was originally a failed low-budget resort. Hemet is still in the middle of nowhere, though the Inland Empire has certainly grown dramatically in the 40 years or so since Hubbard bought the place for a song.

            Were the cult to put Int Base up for sale, I would estimate that they would need to get $100 million for the facility just to recoup its current book value, and that’s unlikely. Consider the comparison with Ambassador College, a 30 acre parcel in an ultra-prime location in Pasadena. It was run, incidentally, by Herbert W. Armstrong, an early televangelist, who controlled his church in relatively cult-like style. The college went under in the early 1990s, and the campus has been an albatross since, with multiple development projects cratering, despite the fact that the surrounding area (“Old Pasadena”) is one of the hottest areas in the entire LA area. The total land value at sale was in the low tens of millions despite a once-in-a-lifetime super-prime location. And it still remains unbuilt…

            It is inconceivable that a plot of land far removed from anywhere really desirable as a destination resort would be able to get a significant premium, even with the amount of square footage that’s out there — an ultra-prime office building, a huge mansion (“Bonnie Brae”), a massive soundstage complex, a building shaped like a pirate ship, and all the other crap, is just a major white elephant.

            The same holds true for Clearwater — nobody could absorb the Fort Harrison plus 400,000 feet of oddly configured Super Power building, even at a huge discount to book value.

            • Robert Eckert

              A friend in California was a born-in of the Armstrong cult. He showed a precious “Plain Truth” magazine #1, from early 1933. In big screaming red type it announced “A GREAT WORLD DICTATOR IS ABOUT TO APPEAR!” which might sound like impressive prophecy, since this was shortly before Hitler became Chancellor, until you read the smaller print below: “Will it be Stalin? Mussolini? Or ROOSEVELT?”

            • HillieOnTheBeach

              Read as a discussion, not an argument.

              “Additionally, the cult bought these buildings decades ago so the time value of money is also working in its favor.

              In those relatively few cases, the cost to gut and redo the cult’s specialized build-out is minimal relative to the value of the location and the historical facade.”

              There’s time value but a big component also depends on the general development of the neighborhood. Flag is relatively worthless because cos gutted all commercial interest in downtown Clearwater.

              But my previous post had your mentionning of Big Blue and the SF org in mind. Big Blue in particular can’t and won’t be easily converted to modern needs. I can’t imagine how they’ll recoup the building purchase and the renovations.

            • ze moo

              Davy doesn’t care about return on investment. Actual cost to the CO$ for any building and rehab is zero. The members pay for it. What matters is the return when Davy sells it because it isn’t ‘ideal’ enough.

              What value does a ground floor that looks like a US mall Brookstone have? The auditing rooms are useless for most buyers. The sauna might attract a high end buyer who wants to make it a private home, but all the rest is just a huge remodel cost. One of the cable TV stations has a Canadian contractor {Mike something?} who spends the whole show fixing other contractors screwups. Taking over a $cieno building must be like that. All the ‘home grown’ electricians and hvac people must be like the 3 stooges meet ‘Hometime’.

              The clampire does rely on long term appreciation to get any real profits out of a building. But in the end, anything they get out of an old property is profit, they never spend a dime on it, and collected rent on it for its entire life on the books.

              If the clams ever leave Hemet or Clearwater, those places will be ghost towns. Real economic activity moved away from there long ago, and there is only so much playing field to work from. But then, when the clampire disintegrates into dust, Clearwater will finally get to move the Aquarium to the beach.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              The ‘Miscavige Hospital for the Criminally Insane’ is that piece of shits (FLAG’s) only shot at redemption.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              I bet that new clam soap star will walk out quicker than, Iasac Hayes on his last day on Southpark if they write that back in the script.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              Didn’t work for, Neverland. And people were actually witnessed moon walking on that property. More than can be said for, Int.Gold,prison and storage.

        • How do the millions of dollars in renovations the church is pouring into these buildings in order to make them “ideal” factor into the potential resale value? As you noted, a lot of these buildings sat vacant for years. If and when the day comes that the church decides to try and sell them, will they be able to recoup their costs on improvements?

          • Tony Ortega

            If you were a buyer, would it make a property more or less valuable to you that it had kiosks set up to show Scientology videos and lots of little rooms for auditing and interrogations?

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Lots of little rooms. Check.
              Kiosks for Videos. Check.

              These properties would be perfect for Ideal Porn Org’s.
              And the square footage???
              Like IKEA, except with more oiliness tables!!!

        • Eivol Ekdal

          Less than 200 yards away is Quintessential Food and liquor
          http://www.quintessential.id.au/qflm/
          A source of Sea Org Cigarettes but they can’t afford the food.

      • The Hockley Highlands Inn and Conference Centre that they bought five years ago for the AOSH Canada is a horrendous white elephant property.

        It was originally built by Ontario Hydro back when electricity was cheap, so the efficiency is awful without a complete rebuild. Before it closed, it was sucking down $1m/year on the power bill.

        Meanwhile, it’s located on a tightly zoned escarpment area. They need to get permission to make the slightest changes, and everyone watches everyone else in that area. The previous owner was well-liked in the community, but couldn’t get it rezoned or do the changes to make it profitable.

        No one with a normal business balance sheet is going to look at it for more than a second.

        It sounds like AOSH ANZO will be a similar white elephant.

      • ze moo

        It serves at least 2 purposes. Corporate $cientology gets to move some money out the US and they book a ‘loan’ of many millions of dollars to the Aussie branch.

        As an investment, the building is not a good one for the balance sheet. The way most clam churches are rehabed, they become useless for anything but that purpose. Expensive to modify and expensive to turn to other purposes. As a pure real estate investment, it is a very poor move.

        Think about DM’s need for aggrandizement, now he gets to travel to Aussie land again and spread the triumph of the tech and his leadership. It also puts the IRS off any really close look at the ‘chirches’ books. See we’re using it for expansion!

        I do have to check Australia’s visa rules, if they have similar to the US ‘religious study’ visas, lots of people will line up for them. So they have to pretend to worship Lron, much better than farming a rice paddy or fishing in the Indian Ocean. Is this really just a people smuggling operation into Australia? I would expect a large number of escapes from this place by Asians, right into Aussie society.

        The only 47x this venture will generate is the interest rate on the loan. Now money generated from Australia isn’t ‘donations’, its debt service.

      • Are Ideal Orgs bad investments in terms of adding new revenue streams, or are they investments in terms of future resale value. A combination of both?

        And totally off-topic – is there a way I can reach you in your capacity as Editor of TRS outside of email? I just had a very brief question re: internships.

      • Hamtaro

        I have three decades of experience with both real estate and non-profits, although certainly not at the same dollar levels as John P. The most likely explanation is the one put forth recently by Rinder: the IRS will penalize a 501c3 that doesn’t disburse a minimum amount of its annual income (generally, this would mean 5-10%) for charitable purposes. The ultimate penalty would be loss of their tax exemption. So DM invests in more real estate, which gives the superficial appearance of being charitable in nature but actually preserves the majority of the money as a real estate investment, besides having the secondary value of providing a further reason to reg his remaining public. The eventual loss being whatever he overpays plus whatever improvements are done to the building that can’t be utilized by another tenant.

        What I personally believe is more interesting (and significant) is the inverse relationship between the size of the new investments and the few remaining Scientologists. DM is making bigger and bigger purchases on the backs of ever fewer public. In my opinion, this reeks of his mounting personal desperation to find ways to impress an ever diminishing number of jaded but highly dedicated Scientologists.

        • John P.

          It is important to distinguish here between rules that apply to 501(c)3’s and purely religious organizations. It’s not clear to me that religious organizations are subject to the same rules on putting money to work that charities and foundations are.

          I would welcome anyone who has done definitive research on whether the cult is in fact subject to these rules. My guess is that they’re not but that I would absolutely admit to being wrong on this.

          Irrespective of whether the 501(c)3 rules apply to the cult, there are other ways to invest in “expansion” that would generate less awful returns than this real estate strategy.

          • Hamtaro

            Churches definitely fall under the 501c3 designation. Here’s an opening paragraph excerpt from an IRS publication entitled Tax Guide for Churches and Religious Organizations that can be found at: http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p1828.pdf

            “Churches and religious organizations, like many other charitable organizations, qualify for exemption from federal income tax under IRC section 501(c)(3)and are generally
            eligible to receive tax-deductible contributions. To qualify for tax-exempt status, such an organization must meet the following requirements (covered in greater detail throughout this publication).”

          • Todd Tomorrow

            But we all know those people that will only invest in one thing after getting taken to the cleaners by, Uncle Bob’s oil MLP that didn’t end up paying 12% year after year and ended up in bankruptcy. I know a very wealthy neighbor that will only invest in precious metals and Real Estate. He lives in Ca., so for the most part this has worked out quite well for a first generation, American. It doesn’t sound like, Cobullshit listens to his legal counsel let alone a financial adviser who might suggest some diversification. The dangerous cult owns some gorgeous properties but from what I’ve heard, he has taken these cultural landmarks and turned them into something with small auditing stalls that might be attractive should there be a resurgence of filthy peepshows. Although, I’m sure some of this retrobative reconstruction would not be allowed if the buildings were deemed cultural landmarks like their, Montgomery building in downtown,San francisco. It’s all such a puzzle to me. But it’s like my mom constantly quotes Oprah,”They aren’t making anymore land.”

    • Sid

      Davey buys buildings whether from donations or not. Brags. Repeats.

      In Scientology change is not undertaken due to unworkability.

    • Ardent

      I am always impressed with your analysis John. Thanks.

  • ItsIBBy

    I’m surprised that there isnt a scheme going on where different areas/zones reg for each other. For example, Valley raises money for… Sydney, Sydney raises money for Portland. I chose those cities strictly for example purposes, because in reality I’m sure there are limitations on transferring funds internationally. Not only does this keep the fundraising fresh, it opens a new avenue of browbeating and fear-mongering that Dave enjoys so much. Valley didnt raise enough for Sydney! It creates a vicious competition instead of the Valley Org thats just this close to being done! We just need a little more money! As your valley members get more and more disenchanted. Ms Cartwright can only carry the project so much on simpsons cash

  • Sejanus

    Such a waste of money.
    Mind boggling.

    • Mark Foster

      Oh, the irony…
      I will not always be here on guard.

      The stars twinkle in the Milky Way

      And the wind sighs for songs

      Across the empty fields of a planet

      A Galaxy away.

      You won’t always be here.

      But before you go,

      Whisper this to your sons

      And their sons —

      “The work was free.

      Keep it so.”

      L. Ron Hubbard

      • Sherbet

        Whoa.

        • Mark Foster

          Amazing, huh?

          • Sherbet

            Amazing is right!

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        What a gas bag. Telling the flock to keep it free, meanwhile getting rich off of it. Welcome to L Ron’s world, where every day is opposites day!

  • 0tessa

    Re: running topic Space Opera and Scientology – Susan Rain
    A letter from a reader of Astounding after having read an article about Dianetics:
    ‘ Dear Sir,
    I am writing to comment on the article by L. Ron Hubbard on ‘Dianetics’. After reading I am very confused. It sounds very much like the kind of talk I hear from some of the patients in the mental hospital where I am taking psychiatric training … The real danger in such articles is that readers with real mental diseases will first, be frightened away from recognized effective treatments, and second, they will waste precious time on whatever dianetics is when they should be getting proper psychiatric treatment.’
    J.S. Horan, M.D.
    (Astounding Science Fiction, 1950:152).
    Cited in the thesis written by Hugh A.D. Spencer ‘The Transcendental Engineers: The Fictional Origins of a Modern Religion.
    Commendable reading after Rain’s article.
    (Open dissertation at MacSphere-mcmaster.ca)

  • Bruce

    ” At a time when the church is shrinking, unable to attract people to the “Ideal Orgs” it already has…”

    Someone, one day will realize that “$cientology is shrinking”‘s story is just a story made up and manufactured by FEW ex-$cientologists!
    I wonder if Tony Ortega had or has really checked real stats about the actual growing of this so called ‘church’, beside listening to some “sources”. Does someone in here knows how many clears and OTs are made in Clearwater on a weekly basis???

    • Mark Foster

      Do tell, Bruce. How many? Is it a 47x increase over last year?

      • Bruce

        No, of course not, Mark.

        • Mark Foster

          Okay, how many? A document or a link with verification would be great, if you can provide that.
          Really. I´m open to seeing factual proof of your statement.

          • Sherbet

            Tony needs to access “real stats,” says Bruce, presumably from scientology’s own data base. He don’t need no stinkin’ “sources.”

            • Bruce

              Exactly!

            • lucille austero

              Bruce, who’s side are you on? Do you personally have space cooties? Yes or no?

            • Mark Foster

              LA, deploy ignore tech 🙂

            • Sherbet

              Me, too.

            • Ardent

              Ignore tech at full power, Keptin…

            • Sherbet

              But the dilithium crystals! They canna last much longer!

            • Mark Foster

              True, Sherb, Bruce snorted all of them!

            • Sherbet

              You are BAAAD, MarkF.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              Come on, Foster don’t bogart those!

            • Mark Foster

              Nah, dude, Bruce was on ´em like a vacuum cleaner! And, Bruce, if you´re reading, yes, I´m fucking with ya 🙂

            • Ardent

              Use the Bath Salts!

            • Todd Tomorrow
        • lucille austero

          Bruce, is it straight up and vertical?

          • Bruce

            Yes, but only if you compare it to the 90s. No kidding.

            • Mark Foster

              Dude, you need to a tour of the orgs. They are empty. Boston, Philly, DC, new York, Portland, the Cali orgs, Atlanta, St, Louis, Kansas City, Albuquerque…Dead in the water.

            • Sherbet

              Which side is Bruce on? He defames the “so called church” and calls it “$cientology,” yet he seems to believe the OTs and Clears are spilling out of every org despite what facts and witnesses say.

              Is this a put-on?

            • lucille austero

              Bruce does seem a bit confused.

            • Mark Foster

              It´s not Bruce, it´s his BT´s.

            • Sherbet

              Maybe he should go to eitheriamatrolloriamkiddingeveryoneinthebunker dot com.

            • Bruce

              Which side? Ummm…
              We have heroes. We have villains. On any given day these people become either.
              Not only so,but these people divide. “I’m for so-and-so!” “So-and-so is everything that’s wrong with our culture!” “So-and-so saved a puppy from a burning building.” “So-and-so is a bigot.” “So-and-so saved a kitty from a tree.”
              Division. We’re really good at that!
              Reminds me of this passage in the Scriptures:What I mean is this: that each one of you says, “I belong to Paul,” “I belong to Apollos,” “I belong to Cephas,” “I belong to Christ.” 1
              Corinthians 1.12 (CEB)

            • Mark Foster

              Bruce, trolling and crack-smoking are a really baaaaaad mix.

            • lucille austero

              Okay, I totally spotted the use of the word bigot there. Now we know exactly which side of the tin foil hat fence you are on, Bruce. Bruce, do these heroes and villains that you have – do they speak to you?

            • Bruce

              Really? You just spotted a word and then A=A=A?
              Really…?

            • lucille austero

              Bruce, math is not for $cientologists. Go to http://www.doesn‘teverythingtimeseverythingplusmytinfoilhatequal47timesexpansion..com

            • i-Betty

              I’m trying not to get involved, but that made me chuckle (once I’d squinted long enough at the screen to work out what it said) 😀

            • daytoncapri

              I think you are playing with us a bit. You have not reached the point of offending me, though I wonder the real purpose of your posts.

              Do you consider yourself above the fray?

            • Bruce

              I’m wondering if a “hard-die” $cientologist would be given a nice welcome for posting in here.
              I don’t think so, after all, those ‘brainwashed” people’s arguments are just worse than “wog”‘s ones.

            • daytoncapri

              First of all, I’m nobody, and speak for no one but myself. Others will give you a different answer:

              TL;DR style:

              A Nice Welcome?
              1) Large number – NO. There are EXes and never-ins who are clear on the nature of the Scientology. It’s not a “welcoming” place for someone to speak highly of it, even just parts of it.

              That’s generally true. OTOH, there has been a very recent discussion on what it was like to join up (and how cheap, easy or pleasant it was) those were surprisingly without rancor and — well, just a conversation. Maybe you’ve read it.

              2) A small number – MAYBE, BUT IT’S A NEW CONCEPT. Tony posted language a few days ago (remember, I’m nobody, and I don’t pretend to speak for him or anyone else.)

              “We find all of these stages of interest in Hubbard a fascinating
              continuum — from the curious dabbler just taking a first course, to the
              most hardcore Sea Org member cut off from friends and family, to the
              recent defector determined to return Scientology to its former glory, to
              the completely disaffected ex-member who now sees Hubbard as a
              charlatan. And we think every one of them ought to be heard from and
              understood, and on their terms.”

              http://tonyortega.org/2014/10/30/scientology-outside-the-official-church-im-quite-happy-with-the-world-the-way-it-is/

              Did those words of invitation encourage you to put your toe in the water?

              As for me: I am an EX who left in the late 70s, but $Scn has ensnared and damaged (to say the least) my friends. I can angry at $cn for big reasons, but I don’t see a practical application of that anger. I am curious on how to create the conditions to help “the Still-In” to see their own way out. In my mind, there is a distinction between Scientology-the-cult and a Scientologist-the-person.

              You are an unknown, and you do know many here: Newbies with weird, provocative or slightly off-track posts do not tend to be welcomed (if my experience is an indication).
              If you want to undermine the site, you’ll be found out pretty quickly.
              If you are a decompressing “hard-die” EX, you have a hard road ahead, and you have my best wishes. Better days ahead.
              If you are a Still-In, I hope there is something here for you to help you see your way out.

            • Todd Tomorrow
            • Captain Howdy

              It’s drive-by PAT (passive aggressive troll)
              “yawn”

            • Sherbet

              Gotcha, Howdy.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              Sherb, don’t be silly that’s the inscription on, Lil’ Davey’s own elite private stationary. Reserved for executive orders only. We must never forget the jokes not on him but everyone else that isn’t in on his secret. Remember, when Pat Broker tried to get in on the joke before, HubTub was cold? He was robbed, threatened and chased around the world without getting a cent or his wife returned.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              Don’t forget the Dallas org that can’t keep the a/c on!

            • HillieOnTheBeach

              You have to have endured southern US heat to fully appreciate what a cruel and unusual punishment that is.

            • Eileen

              Boston passed empty and went directly to gone.

            • Sherbet

              It headed south to Quincy where it could be empty in a different location.

            • Full of Theta they are/

              -Ron

            • lucille austero

              Bruce, for more stats that you will agree with, go to http://www.imighthavesomeextrabodythetansthatihaven‘tfoundanddealtwiththroughauditingyet..com

          • HillieOnTheBeach

            Yes, just like the Titanic.

            (taken from Jeffrey Augustine internet interview)

      • Sherbet

        Psssst, Mark F — Does this mean scientology has produced at least ONE Clear? For real?

        • Mark Foster

          Oh, a Clear? Total recall, lightning fast mathematical computations, no colds, no need for glasses, perfect health, etc. per the original edition of Dianetics? OF COURSE…NOT!! But why let puny considerations like truth and scientific verification stop a 60 year hustle? Pimps be pimpin´ !

          • Sherbet

            I couldn’t have said it better myself, MarkF.

    • lucille austero

      Bruce – I completely agree and refer you to the following site for some REAL stats: http://www.iwonderifimaufocultworshipper..com.

    • lucille austero

      Bruce, please review nottrue’s youtube link above.

    • daytoncapri

      Bruce – I’m listening. Note that some others are also listening you also and giving you specific questions.

      Now, never mind those who might seem to be heckling (UNLESS you are a troll, then I would guess then that’s the reaction that you want.)

      I read your post carefully and see that you are not stating that
      1) “growth” is happening – you didn’t say that
      but that
      2) the “shrinking” was “just a story made up.”

      From your perspective, are you suggesting that Scientology membership is 1) “stable” 2) “growing” 3) unknown, or 4) unknowable? Or what, exactly?

      Is it more than a speculation on your part? If you have facts, then please share anything you have to back your statement up. Any stats to share and their sources? That would be great!

      • Bruce

        Number 3 and 4 are actually what ex-$cientologists “know”.

        • i-Betty

          Please try to answer Daytoncapri’s questions without deflecting. I for one would be genuinely interested in hearing your take so I can decide whether you are to be taken seriously 🙂

          • Bruce

            Answered! (without deflecting)

            • daytoncapri

              Hi Bruce

              I agree with you, you were not deflecting (sorry and my respects to you Betty).

              Personally, I’ll grant you that. Scientology is a secret organization. The actual stats – actively updated on a weekly basis? – would be a secret, and certainly not posted on a lit screen like the stock exchange. Yes, by design and policy, those stats are controlled, not for public consumption, and “unknown, and unknowable. ”

              My views are different, but you cannot be faulted for being skeptical.

              For me, It’s a matter of trust and confidence. I trust that such info – along with many other secrets – are obtained by Tony. He is an investigative reporter, a good one. I trust that he has good methods.

            • Mark Foster

              DC, check out Mike Rinder´s blog. He gets the(current) Flag completion stats pretty regularly .

            • daytoncapri

              will do. Thanks.

    • NOLAGirl

      From the mouths of Scientologists themselves. http://www.mikerindersblog.org/flag-good-news-is-getting-ugly/

    • pluvo

      Somebody defending the stats of the ‘Church of Scientology’ writing ‘$cientology’ with ‘$’ instead of ‘S’? Unlikely.
      And then the hint ”is just a story made up and manufactured by FEW ex-$cientologists!”
      Stressing ‘FEW’? Yeah right!
      “I wonder if Tony Ortega had or has really checked real stats about the actual growing of this so called ‘church’, beside listening to some “sources”.?
      Now this is really weird: Using ‘so called’ and ‘church’ (in quotation marks) and ‘actual growing’ and at the same time taking a swipe at Tony. I call bullsh*t.

    • grundoon

      Flag publishes its official stats in a regular bulletin. Mike Rinder receives this and puts it up on his website. The latest one, covering the week ending 16 October 2014, is here.

      Flag has been averaging about 9 clears and 8 OT VIIs made each week (see Rinder’s site for the actual stats). The report doesn’t include stats for other OT levels other than OT VII.

      Rinder also gets official stats every week from the LA area orgs and occasionally from other areas. So go on over there and check it out.

      Scientology: It’s always worse than you think!™
      http://i2.wp.com/www.mikerindersblog.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/goodnews-16oct14.jpg?zoom=1.5&resize=480%2C622

      • C.M.

        The only 47x expansion to be observed is the hyperbolic language, The actual production stats are below pathetic.

      • ze moo

        We don’t know how many of the ‘new’ completions are those who have done it 2 or 3 times. Actual numbers and the CO$ don’t get along.

        • C.M.

          “Actual numbers and the CO$ don’t get along.”

          So its quite possible they report a number that sounds reasonable or acceptable. Marc Yeager et al used to do this all the time.

          • ze moo

            ‘Acceptable’ perhaps, ‘reasonable’ means the same thing in this context. Does even DM get real numbers? There is too much incentive all concerned to paint the best possible picture, and no incentive for the truth.

          • Missionary Kid

            Two observations: Acceptable truths and (my new favorite word) $cientolomath: the use of numbers where nothing adds up, charts are made where only one dimension is numbered, and everything is made up.

    • C.M.

      OTs made…? huh? Really man, you believe in that crap? I shall be mild and use the words famous words of Jason Beghe: “Show me ONE motherf***ing clear”!.

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      Good evening. Have some vodka in your kool-aid and lighten up on the outrageous layers of Sciloon lies.
      It doesn’t make a dent here.
      We know better.

    • Elar Aitch

      Can you point us to the real stats for comparison please Bruce?

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        Give him a minute to put on a rubber glove….

  • nottrue
    • Mark Foster

      WATCH this!! 🙂

    • lucille austero

      OMG this is laugh out loud funny!! Love love.

    • Bruce

      Funny.

      • lucille austero

        Careful there, Bruce. Are you allowed to watch this kind of stuff? Do you have permission?

        • Bruce

          Yes I can do. That means I’m not a Scientologist…oh, well according to you.

          • lucille austero

            Seriously, Bruce, if you are here and under the radar, cool, man.

            • Bruce

              Yes, DM has JUST issued a policy letter that allows $cientologists to buy and use smartphones.

            • lucille austero

              The interwebz are a treasure trove of info on teh cherch, Bruce. Good hunting!

            • Mark Foster

              But, Bruce,…not for Sea Org members. Maybe he will issue a policy letter saying that his food and clothing budget will be diverted to ensuring that every SO member actually gets the legal minimum wage and…toilet paper.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              Now Mark, we all know why they don’t eat with that hand. Just like on my last flogging I got my, Emirates flight.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              They’ve always had smart phones, it is the two cans and string tech hub learned from the, Blackfoot.

            • C.M.

              He wants to spread his newly found in tech vocabulary like CICS, CSMF, YS, YS, YSCOHB far and wide I guess.

          • Todd Tomorrow

            Good for you, Bruce! Ever visit, Portland? Or, San Francisco? I do for work and those huge buildings are empty. And the, Portland one is cold. Brrrrr. What point were you trying to make? I must have missed it? That they clear them out in the basement to save room?

          • Missionary Kid

            If you can say, “David Miscavige and L. Ron Hubbard are lying assholes,” I’ll believe you.

            • C.M.

              If he were to do that, he would spend a lot of time cleaning dumpsters 😉

            • Missionary Kid

              That’s the way to make a clam out themselves.

          • daytoncapri

            Bruce – if you are what you claim to be, then don’t let them get to you. Sincerity matters. If you are a non-Scn with skeptical leanings, or a hard-die Scn/ex-Scn (not sure what that means), then I personally welcome you.

            In my book, the most respected – after TO – are the EXes who have been in deep, seen so much, and are willing to tell their story to the rest of us.

            I invite you to tell your story – big or small – when you are ready.

    • i-Betty

      Made me laugh my socks off. Sillier than many of the TC spoofs, but absolutely hilarious.

    • missed that one…. makes you wonder what Jim Carey could do with the clip, lol

      • Sherbet

        Isn’t the voice of Ferguson’s robot sidekick, Geoffrey Peterson, a scientologist? I’ve read that.

        • he’s voiced by Josh Robert Thompson who’s done numerous American Dad, Family Guy and Howard Stern appearances…. given that background I’d be really surprised if he was

          • Sherbet

            Operation Clambake said he was but has been out since 2012.

      • Todd Tomorrow

        I though he retired after, I love you Phillip Morris? Which wasn’t a bad movie..

    • Missionary Kid

      A follow-on clip was Tom Lehrer singing Poisoning Pigeons in the Park Thanks.

    • ze moo

      Getting rid of Craig Ferguson is the stupidest thing CBS has ever done. He is/was the most creative of the talk show hosts.

      • Missionary Kid

        He was offered the spot that Dave occupies, but turned it down. He’s had enough of being a talk show host. It was his decision, IIRC.

    • Golden Age of Blech

      OTVIII Mayor McCheese. “You’re being McGlib…. You’re McGlib!”

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZC20XghTak

    • Axton

      Awesome!

  • RBE

    The National Acoustic Laboratory and Ultrasonics Institute is to be rebranded as SONAR – The Scientology Outpost for the Net Advancement of Regging

    • sugarplumfairy

      And soon, the local chamber of commerce can be rebranded LAMB.. Locals are mostly bankrupt,,

  • Ardent

    Picking at nits, Tony, but Chatswood is very much inside Sydney. It is a busy residential and commercial hub for the North Shore and has large shopping malls, theatres and, well, just about everything. And now they can boast a ludicrously expensive building for a few benighted dupes to hang out in…

  • Mark Foster

    Off topic, but something a few of you might be interested in, given the discussion down-thread about OT´s:

    http://www.alanzosblog.com/scientology-reverend-rex-fowler-found-guilty-of-first-degree-murder/

    • C.M.

      Alonzo’s blog is a great source of information about almost any topic concerning the cult.

      • Mark Foster

        Yeah, Baby turned me on to it. Well-written stuff-and he has a good sense of humor.

    • grundoon

      OT VII Rex Fowler’s conviction for murdering his business partner Thomas Ciancio took place in 2011. http://www.denverpost.com/ci_17486754

      • Mark Foster

        I know. Was just relating it to another discussion in the thread and thought some people might not know about it.

    • daytoncapri

      Amazing post over there about the Reverend. Good dialogue in the comments section 🙂

  • Eileen

    This Australia property is the one where the neighbors want to make sure they can access the property and the abutting bushland preserve. I’m sure that COS will welcome people crossing the property day and evening. Maybe IBetty can show the neighbors how to do the SaintHill Sprint! 😉

  • Pierrot

    *** RED X +–+ Reminder +–+Reminder +–+ RED X ***
    Good Afternoon Bunkeroos,
    About 64 ads have been posted in the last 2 hours. You will find them at the Daily Wip tab : https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-Kvg78kCcvo5gL7UfPcmhmbsagTNtdj0y2LAiHVFrCU/pubhtml
    Check the Last 4 Days tab as well.

    WWP seems to be experiencing some technical problems, luckily we have google doc!

    Please note that because of the time change to EST, and that we are staying put in SAfrica, I will not be posting any reminder at the end of the afternoon or early evening (EST) as it will be past midnight for me. Can one of you kind RedXer help Panopea during the afternoon and evening.

    Juicer, Ap ? any volunteer, any body ? just a reminder with the link to google doc!

    Ty Dodo and Artist: https://www.flickr.com/photos/120371503@N05/14957459094/in/set-72157642802079293

  • cdub
  • Panopea Abrupta

    Some official numbers for Bruce and others:

    From Mike Rinder’s blog yesterday(taken from Co$ dox):

    Clears weekly in Flag last 13 weeks : 8 9 6 9 11 9 6 11 NR 19 8 8 NR (total 104 plus 2 NR for 13 weeks)
    OT VIIs: 9 7 6 11 7 6 10 7 11 NR 8 8 8 ( total 98 plus 1 NR for 13 weeks)

    And government numbers:

    2001 UK census: England and Wales have 1781 $cientologists.
    2011 Statistics Canada reports 1745.
    2005 Germany estimates 5000 to 6000.
    2006 New Zealand census: 357
    2006 Australia census: 2507 and 13.5% decrease on that in 2011
    2011 Switzerland : 1000

    By comparison, there are about 250 births per minute and 105 deaths per minute on earth.

    SPs are in affluence, Downstat Dave and his lapdogs are veering towards non-existence.

    • Sid

      So 250 births less 105 deaths equals a net gain of 145 new humans per minute.

      Number of minutes per week is 10,080 times 145 new humans equals a gain of 1,461,600.

      There are about 146 Orgs on the planet.

      Each Org would have to produce over 10 thousand Clears per week just to maintain status quo.

      They can do it. Sea Org work only 18 hours per day. They just need to step up.

      • Mark Foster

        There ya go, Sid. I got 99 problems, son, but sleep ain´t one!

        • Sid

          They can’t expect Definite MisNapping to do all the work can they?

          • Mark Foster

            Damn straight, Sid! There´s scotch-drinking and bitch-slapping to be done! There´s a whole universe to clear(of cash)!

            • Sid

              And he does it in spite of all the SPs surrounding him. What a guy!

            • Golden Age of Blech

              Don’t forget the CICS all around as well!

          • Missionary Kid

            Definite MisNapping I’ve collected for the DM list.

  • Why do they not just sweep floors and such ?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3pf7o-9OOk

  • C.M.

    DM is well aware that his cult is shrinking. Purchasing this building is of course “window dressing” towards the IRS regarding the tax-exempt status and for the “whales” who’s inflated egos are only surpassed by the size of their wallets.

    Its for DM also a way to “even the score” with his critics such as our proprietor and the bitter defrocked apostates on the fringes of the internet he evidently follows every day. Its his way of telling us he CAN DO ANYTHING and get away with it too. In a way he is challenging us; he can and will keep his sheeple in line no matter how much we expose the truth. Its a classic case of pride that comes before a fall. His fall is very near, he knows it. That’s why he is displaying this blatant form of pride. Tick tock Davey…. time is almost up.

    • Missionary Kid

      The cult is not only shirking, but it’s shrinking, too. 😉

      • C.M.

        oops, thanks MK, typoooo 🙁
        ETA: fixed it 🙂

        • Missionary Kid

          I make ’em all the time. You’re just joining the club of humanity. Obviously, you aren’t clear. Oops, there isn’t any such thing.

          • C.M.

            Some Chinese school: word clearing series 19: “At the bottom of all alteration of meaning or action is a misunderstood word.” I am ashamed I still have this in my memory…..

            • Missionary Kid

              That really will lead to chaos, because English speakers are change words meaning all the time by using them in different context.

              E.g. Postal usually refers to the postal service, but after an incident, “going postal” has a completely different meaning.

            • C.M.

              Yeah, well Hubbard was batshit crazy and probably high on some drugs when writing his “Tech”. Just a little regret here that I fell for it for so long and still have elements in my mind that are sticky. But given enough time ill shed them off.

            • Missionary Kid

              When you have something imprinted on your brain as strongly as a cult or a strong religious upbringing, it takes a while to get rid of all of it.

              Some of my religious training was good — an appreciation for the English language, particularly archaic terms, and a whole bunch of the back story on Christianity that they never revealed that I learned on my way out.

            • C.M.

              I loved the lower level courses in the Cult. Later I discovered they were plagiarized from a myriad of sources. But, nonetheless, they felt very good and formed the basis of the glue that stuck me on the bogus upper levels. I kept on hoping that at some point it would all make sense and I would reach a genuine, stable state of higher abilities to help mankind. But in that process I suffered mind damage. Currently seeing a psychologist who has lots of experience in dealing with ex-cult members. At the end of his sessions I don’t feel euphoric but the insights I gain step by step are as solid as rock. And so we plough through many of the mind constructs imbedded in me and remove them as best as we can.

            • Elar Aitch

              Sounds like you’re in good hands CM

            • C.M.

              You are very right on that one, I even share some of my cookies with him. And that really says something ;D

            • aegerprimo

              Wow! Cookie Monster! I would love to hear more of your story. I’m an ex-$cientologist too. Recovering on my own and doing well 15+ years out. Welcome to the Bunker.

            • Missionary Kid

              That’s the reason they’re structured that way. It’s the old metaphor of the frog in the pot of water that’s slowly being heated.

            • sookiesookie

              In my experience, the most valuable things I’ve done don’t give a giant rush of euphoria, just a feeling of integrity (and they may be actually unpleasant at the time) but their good effects increase with time.

            • TheQueenofBulgravia

              Speaking the Queen Queen’s English about M/U and chaos….Going postal is how Our Majordomo feels when the Postal person TOO OFTEN delivers missives to Our Castle that rightly belong to distant Manor Houses. (Previously including a Passport @@ ) Who is getting Our correspondence? Are there no English READERS left?—-(and the addys consist of only 4+2 numbers , not even anything like 66666666666 LLANFAIRPWLLGWYNGYLLGOGERYCHWYRNDROBWLLLLANTYSILIOGOGOGOCH Road in LLANFAIRPWLLGWYNGYLLGOGERYCHWYRNDROBWLLLLANTYSILIOGOGOGOCH Wales!)

              http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-QzrhiMem1g0/TtAw-Ygy4bI/AAAAAAAAGTI/_0uNUiRsNfo/s1600/Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch-railway-station-sign-2011-09-21-GR2_1837a.JPG

            • Golden Age of Blech

              Out on the road today, I saw a Dephi sticker on a Cadillac. A little voice inside my head said “Don’t look back. You can never look back.”
              true story. I saw a Delphi sticker on a car on my way to work the other day. All I could think of was those poor kids. What education are they getting?

      • Todd Tomorrow

        The,”dangerous cult is not only…”

  • grundoon

    Is the Dundas RPF going to move into the new building from their 20 Dorahy Street confinement?
    http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/2012/02/scientology_shane_kelsey_rpf.php

    • Baby

      Fun Post Lush.. I loved Craig Ferguson’s impression of Cruise..hahaha.. Good Job Mr.

  • Golden Age of Blech

    Out on the road today, I saw a Dephi sticker on a Cadillac. A little voice inside my head said “Don’t look back. You can never look back.”
    true story. I saw a Delphi sticker on a car on my way to work the other day. All I could think of was those poor kids. What education are they getting? Done some reading on those schools. Nuff said….

    • Sherbet

      There’s a Delphi school in Milton.

      • Golden Age of Blech

        I know I looked into it. Thanks though. 😉

      • Golden Age of Blech

        There was some bad press that I read about. Some parents were concerned that the teachers were not board certified.

    • Missionary Kid

      ^for the Don Henley lyrics.

    • Jimmy3

      You know those stick figure stickers that indicate how many are in the family? Usually see them on minivans or SUVs. They should have those, but with clams for heads.

      • Golden Age of Blech

        Or just a blank stare.

      • Golden Age of Blech

        Are your TR’s in?

        • Jimmy3

          TR’s aren’t hip anymore, man.

          • Golden Age of Blech

            Never were

  • Juicer77

    Just a reminder – Craigslist Co$ ads are down to 228. Many are flagged for removal. Let’s see if we can knock down a few more! Blue highlights are *counter* ads – don’t flag them 🙂 Thanks for your help!
    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-Kvg78kCcvo5gL7UfPcmhmbsagTNtdj0y2LAiHVFrCU/pubhtml

    • 55 that has beware in the title on the daily list is a counter ad.

  • richelieu jr

    Ah, let’s drop the pretense: Every one of these Advanced Idle Orgs, and all the other ones and the ‘Orgs’ and ‘Santa Hill’ and the Sea Borg and the nimrods giving personality tests, and Golden Era ‘For a Million Dollars we can make a 10 million dollar event look like the Porn Awards in a Holiday Inn’, down to the children reciting nonsense and Bart jumping up and down until she make sit rain, all of this is not for the millions Scientology claims, nor for the thousands they have, nor for the lesser thousands they enslave, it is for one man (well, half-a-man):

    Wavey Davey and his big ol’ ego.

  • Sydjazz

    Us locals were told there would be about 45 to 500 people there every day. Buahaha

    • Anonymouse

      Is your avatar yawning or laughing at the story? 😉

      • Sydjazz

        Both? Lol

  • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

    Alexa update for November 4: *refresh for images*

    Tony: US rank #31,014 – down 521 from yesterday. (Average rank last 3 months: 20,827)
    scientology: US rank #52,232 – up 1,469 from yesterday. (Average rank last 3 months: 61,390)

    Difference: 21,218 – 1,649 more than yesterday. (Average difference last 3 months: 40,562)

    Clicks from India – 8,9% today.

    • Dancing Cranberry

      much better. That direction (of the red line) is more to my liking.

  • nottrue

    Booooooo

    • Todd Tomorrow

      What did you expect it is, Florida. Home of, Anita Drink Bryant and almost as many asshole, moronic, meth heads than, Texas. Except for, Dib Whinthrup and Mosey.

      • texasexpat

        Whats with all the commas?

  • I see that Tom Cruise’s PR agents, after hooking him up with everyone possible in the Fantasy Dating League, has switched to the usual “Tom Cruise does all his own stunts” that they always send out in this stage of making a movie.

    I’ve always wondered about that claim. Wouldn’t the movie underwriters have a complete spasm at the insurance coverage needed in case Tom breaks an ankle or loses his head, or is CGI good enough to pick up the slack these days?

    • Baby

      Duh.. Touch Assists on himself RM

      are you having a brain fart…

      • If Tom can put his head back on (the almost oops stunt claim for Last Samurai) with a touch assist, I might join up.

        • Baby

          Hey..Hey..if he can raise the dead he can do anything.

          Shit he is a Scn he can’t just drive by

          his own head on the ground.

    • Sydjazz

      Tom cruise doing touch assist on himself…refresh

  • Lurkness

    Excellent post by Mike Rinder refuting the Scientology funded FSU economic impact report for Clearwater. Typical how they chult provides false numbers and now use, and will continue to use, their own fake stats but with the patina of legitamcy provided by the dupes at FSU. We will see these stats repeatedly as if they are the result of true and independent analysis.

    I hope the FSU authors have their reputations thoroughly trashed for their pathetic and false report.

    http://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-takes-clearwater-for-suckers/

  • nottrue

    ……..The Hollwood Reporter……..New Sea Org crew in action..

    • Jimmy3

      Oh, wtf now?

    • Voters living in the 90029 zip code area were first required to pass several Scientology members handing out promotional leaflets at the corner of Sunset Boulevard and Vermont Avenue.

      The chief returning officer (or whatever) for the area should crack down on that nonsense.

    • Jimmy3

      This should be illegal. My polling station was at an annex of a Catholic Church. Not one single person was there preaching to voters. I didn’t hear ‘Jesus’ mentioned even once. No one was handing out religious literature. It was an entirely secular process despite its location. What they’re doing has to be a violation of some ordinance or code or something.

      • Don’t worry! Scientology respects the privacy of the voting booth exactly as much as if it was a Scientology confessional. Watch the video recording if you don’t believe me.

    • And everyone in the Bunker knows that the LA Org is entirely staffed by Sea Org these days.

      • Todd Tomorrow

        Plus, they’ve made them get part time jobs at, Long John Silvers. Even their demonic glint is leaving their eyes. Even their theatens are getting tuckered.

    • Captain Howdy

      I’m surprised they didn’t have NOI members out front holding clubs and telling everyone they better do a write in vote for Louis Farrakhan & David Miscavige.

      • Todd Tomorrow

        You could blow those new emaciated pieces of brain washed pieces of shit over with an exhale of a blunt. Didn’t you see them run from, AGP? Nobody in. LA likes them so if they gave them a voter cheat sheet they’d just vote the opposite. Plus, they probably thought they were Sizzler employees giving away a discount coupon for a soup and salad bar.

    • giggler

      Yuk yuk yuk

    • I wonder what would happen if a known Suppressive Person showed up to vote, or (heh) AGP?

  • AintMizBahavin

    heyyyyyyyyyy Bunkeroo family hoping everyone and all is well stiopped by to get my usual fix and learned a lot as always…. if there was a way to put the bunker on front page news you’d better believe i would as of now i shout out my bunkeroo family as i consider you all all thru out my dj sets.. with that said im off to catch up on all i missed

    • Todd Tomorrow

      Good to see yah back more!

    • Baby

      Ain’t in Da House.. Woot Woot Lookin good.

      • Sydjazz

        Hiya baby

        • Baby

          Sup Kitteh?

  • MaxSpaceman
  • Pierrot

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  • Stat Push

    With all those BTs being exorcized I wonder if they will need an Industrial Waste permit?

  • Verve

    I rarely do this, but I have to do a “OMG!” for this-

    We will admit that removing body thetans probably won’t add much to
    Sydney’s traffic or impact it environmentally, so Scientology is
    probably in good there.

    Tony, you are a wordsmith of the highest caliber.