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Q&A with Mike Rinder: Understanding the sudden changes at Scientology’s LA complex

Mike_Rinder_2ALSO, SEE BELOW: Jonny Jacobsen gives us a full report on the European Court of Human Rights decision regarding Scientology in St. Petersburg, Russia.

Mike Rinder was once Scientology’s top spokesman and oversaw the organization’s legal affairs. He left Scientology in 2007 after being held for about a year in its notorious internal prison for executives, “The Hole.” Now he writes about Scientology at his own website, and his long involvement in the organization ensures him a steady stream of insider accounts of what’s happening in the church.

And none seemed bigger than the reports he’s been getting over the last few days regarding some sudden changes in LA. We’ve also been receiving reports, and we thought it would be a good idea to talk with Rinder and try to break down what’s happened in a way that is not only comprehensible to longtime Scientologists.

Here was our exchange…

THE BUNKER: Mike, over the last couple of days at your blog, you’ve been reporting some pretty interesting changes that were announced at Scientology’s headquarters in Los Angeles. We want to make sure a general audience can get a grasp on what has happened.

Let’s get some terms down. The “Big Blue” complex in Los Angeles — known overall as “PAC Base” for Pacific Area Command — is actually made up of several different units. There’s a regular “Class V org” known as LA Org, which went “Ideal” some years ago. This is the kind of “Ideal Org” that you find in other cities — such as Portland, Phoenix, and the Twin Cities.

But PAC also has more high-level entities. The American Saint Hill Organization (ASHO) is run by the Sea Org and is supposed to deliver the vaunted “Saint Hill Special Briefing Course” which was an important step to “going Clear.” And then there’s the Advanced Org (AOLA), another entity run by Sea Org workers, where wealthy Scientoloigists pay the big bucks for the Operating Thetan levels, at least the ones they can do before they have to go to Clearwater, Florida and then the cruise ship Freewinds for the really top secret stuff. And recently, the entire complex was undergoing an upgrade to become the “Ideal Pacifica Bridge.” What else should we know before the changes happened?


Our quick and crude map of PAC base, showing the relative positions of LA Org, ASHO, and AOLA. Sunset Boulevard is on top, Fountain Avenue at the bottom, and the north-south street in the middle is "L. Ron Hubbard Way."

Our quick and crude map of PAC base, showing the relative positions of LA Org, ASHO, and AOLA. Sunset Boulevard is on top, Fountain Avenue at the bottom, and the north-south street in the middle is “L. Ron Hubbard Way.”

MIKE RINDER: The important thing to know is that LA Org and ASHO have been struggling to keep their lights on. As the campaign to upgrade things to the Ideal Pacifica Bridge was stumbling on, it was becoming apparent to anyone that the place was in trouble. Something drastic had to change. Miscavige knew that after the big announcement of the “Ideal PAC” there are too many people in LA seeing the place increasingly resemble a morgue.

THE BUNKER: So Miscavige has made a dramatic move, seemingly out of nohwere?

MIKE: A message had to be sent. He dismissed the Commanding Officers of AOLA and ASHO and had them sent to Flag (the complex in Clearwater, Florida) to get them out of sight. No doubt they’ll be pulling weeds at the Hacienda, the apartment complex where Miscavige himself has an apartment that he uses when he’s in town.

But he’s also moved in 230 Sea Org workers to take over LA Org, the “Ideal Org” which was formerly run by non-Sea Org staff.

So now all three entities — AOLA, ASHO, and LA Org, are “Sea Org Orgs.”

Also, ASHO and LA Org used to be on split schedules, known in Scientology parlance as “Day” for the day crew, and “Foundation” for the night crew. While replacing the workers at both places, Miscavige has got rid of the double-shift setup, so now only one long shift will run each of those places.

THE BUNKER: Where did all of these new Sea Org workers come from? And do we know the names of any of the new commanders?

MIKE: FSO — the Flag Service Organization, which runs the Clearwater complex in Florida — is way overstaffed for the small trickle of people arriving there for services. It wasn’t hard for Miscavige to round up 230 people and ship them to Los Angeles. So far, I’ve heard a few names of who’s running things. The commanding officer of ASHO is now Sandra Colon. The new LA Org commander is Heather Wolfe. And they report to a new PAC commanding officer, Jason Hemphill.

THE BUNKER: What about the non-Sea Org staff members who were on 2.5- or 5-year contracts who were running LA Org. Where will they end up?

MIKE: I’m hearing that some of them will get jobs at the “Hollywood Life Improvement Center” — the old Hollywood Test Center on Hollywood Boulevard about a block from Hollywood & Highland, which has never opened up after its renovation.

THE BUNKER: So Miscavige is firing a lot of people at a couple of LA entities that were failing, and he’s replaced them with hand-picked people from Florida. And he’s combining shifts — all of which looks like proof positive that Scientology is dying right in the heart of Los Angeles, one of its supposed world strongholds.

MIKE: Behind the scenes he’ll be telling people that this is the way to take charge and make things work. I’m hearing that he’s even telling people to say that LA Org is now “Saint Hill Size.”

THE BUNKER: Wait a minute. You mean, instead of admitting that he’s dealing with a dying organization, he’s saying the opposite — that LA Org has suddenly zoomed with expansion to reach that mythical yardstick, that it’s booming as much as L. Ron Hubbard’s home in England, Saint Hill Manor, back in the roaring 1960s? Do you think anyone will believe him?

MIKE: Here’s the really big problem he faces in Los Angeles. In other cities, say in Portland, a local person can see with their own eyes that no one is coming into the “Ideal Org” there. But they always assume that Scientology is booming in other places, and it’s only their org that is underperforming. But in Los Angeles, that doesn’t work. People at AOLA can see that ASHO is empty. People at ASHO can see that LA Org is empty, and the publics in the area aren’t stupid — they see that PAC is a ghost town. So Miscavige has a real problem on his hands. So he does what he always does. He tells people to stop believing their lying eyes.


Meir Ezra

Meir Ezra

New lawsuits against Scientology, some odder than others

A couple of new lawsuits regarding Scientology popped up yesterday, and our commenters were all over them. First, in the morning, we heard that a woman in the Bay Area, Victoria Comfort, is complaining that she paid $92,000 for “business coaching” from a man, JT Foxx, she says never came through on his promises. One thing Foxx did, she alleges, is palm her off on a guy named Meir Ezra, who turned out to be a business coach selling Scientology.

We quickly confirmed that slick Ezra is a Scientologist in Clearwater, and he’s selling L. Ron Hubbard’s “admin tech” as the secret to business success. But after Comfort complained about being pitched Scientology, Ezra and Foxx apparently had a falling out. Ezra’s not even named as a defendant in Comfort’s lawsuit.

And as fun as it is to read about the business acumen of someone who turned over tens of thousands of dollars to a guy named “JT Foxx” for business “coaching” and also contributed 10 grand to a supposed Trump family charity with hopes of getting to see a taping of Celebrity Apprentice, we don’t expect to spend much more time on this one.

If the lawsuit itself doesn’t really have any connection to Scientology, seeing Meir Ezra’s website reminds us that we’re overdue for a nice piece on WISE and the way its operators target the gullible in the name of Hubbard. We’ve been working on such a story, but we’ll need more time to nail it all down.

Anyway, later in the day we heard about another lawsuit, and this one was much more relevant and interesting. The Oregonian reported that Robert Dietz is suing the Portland church for the money he has on account, a little over $30,000. Dietz has now left Scientology, and will never use the money he banked for future courses. But he says the Portland org refuses to give it back to him.

A lot of people are in Dietz’s shoes, and we’re sure they’ll be interested to see what happens. We expect that Scientology’s attorneys will do what they have in other cases — like with the Garcia federal fraud lawsuit, which is for a much larger amount — and file a motion to compel Dietz to use Scientology’s internal arbitration and dismiss the lawsuit.

We asked Mike Rinder why we haven’t seen more lawsuits like this recently — more modest than the Garcia suit, and aimed at local orgs rather than the church’s controlling entities. He agreed with us that a motion to compel arbitration is probably coming, and he also said the number one problem former members run into when they want to sue for money on account is finding lawyers willing to take on Scientology.

Dietz is being represented by Loren Andrew Gramson, and we’ve dropped him a line. We’d like to find out more about this lawsuit.

And finally, if the Dietz lawsuit is on a smaller scale than some of the others we’ve been reporting on, we know of an even smaller case that was recently filed.

Ex-church member Janet Akpobome let us know recently that in order to get back the money she left on account, she’s suing Scientology’s Flag Service Organization in small claims court in Los Angeles. The amount? $3,125.

She’s doing it all herself, and we’ll be interested to see how she does. Maybe the small suits will end up pestering Scientology as much as the big ones.


Scientology St. Petersburg vs Russia decision

Jonny Jacobsen recently suggested to us that a questionable raid by Russian authorities of the Scientology org in St. Petersburg might be a sign that the country knew it was about to lose a decision in the European Court of Human Rights.

This morning, Jonny let us know that the ECHR did, in fact, rule that the St. Petersburg Scientologists who made the complaint were denied their rights when the country refused to recognize the legal status of the church there. The ECHR found that Russia had violated Article 9 (Freedom of thought, conscience, and religion) of the Convention for the Protection of Human Rights and Fundamental Freedoms. The ECHR awarded the Scientologists 7,500 euros in damages (they had asked for 20,000).

Jonny is going to write up a full report about the decision…And here it is!

Europe’s top court on Thursday condemned Russia for refusing to let Scientologists register as a religious group – almost five years to the day after handing down a similar judgment against them.

The European Court of Human Rights agreed with a complaint filed by several Scientologists in St Petersburg that the city authorities had unfairly refused their group religious recognition.

It ruled that Russia had denied the Scientologists their rights to freedom of thought, conscience and religion — under Article 9 of the European Convention on Human Rights — and awarded them 7,500 euros.

That fell short of the already modest 20,000 euros that the applicants had requested — and since the applicants had made no requests for costs or expenses, none was given.

But it is the second time that the Russian authorities have been condemned by the Strasbourg court – in particular over a rule stipulating that new religious groups have to be able to prove they have been active for 15 years before applying for religious status.

This latest case arose out of a complaint filed in November 2006 by six Russian Scientologists from the St Petersburg group: Galina Shurinova, Nadezhda Shchemeleva, Anastasiya Terentyeva, Ivan Matsitskiy, Yuliya Bryntseva, and Galina Frolova. The seventh applicant was the group at the centre of the dispute: the Church of Scientology of St Petersburg.

This informal group, led by Shurinova since the late 1980s, had been formed for the “collective study of Scientology”, but the Russian authorities had refused to let them register Scientology as a legal entity.

Between March 1995 and August 2003, they tried six times to register their group: the authorities repeatedly rejected their applications, citing a different reason each time.

The details of their complaint presented a pattern of repeated delays: their papers passed from one official body to another; rejections based on a procedural technicalities that changed from one decision to the next — a litany of bureaucratic bad faith.

On April 3, 2002, for example, the city’s justice department told the applicants it had delayed consideration of their case because it was waiting for a report from a state religious expert.

When the next refusal of their application was handed down that September however, it cited a list of technical reasons — and no mention of the report.

Only when the applicants persisted with a fresh submission were they told that in addition to the previous technical objections, “…an unspecified expert religious study had concluded that the applicant group was non-religious in nature.”

They asked for but were initially refused a copy of the study and had to go to the Ombudsman to get the justice department to hand it over.

The Ombudsman went further, informing the justice department that it had not even followed government-approved procedure for carrying out such studies: since it had not been approved by a panel of experts it represented nothing more than one individual’s opinion.

The final administrative refusal cited the alleged unreliability of a document confirming that the group had existed for 15 years, a legal requirement under Russian law for any new religious group seeking to be registered.

In October 2003 the Scientologists challenged these refusals, but the St Petersburg District Court ruled against them in December 2005.

The court cited what it said were defects in the documents supplied to demonstrate the group’s 15 years of existence, a ruling confirmed in a Russian court on appeal in May 2006.

Curiously, the Russian authorities, in its arguments to the European court, acknowledged that the refusal to register the Scientology group interfered with its members’ freedom of religion.

But it justified this as “…having been necessary in a democratic society for suppressing manifestations of religious discord.” (It also argued that other countries, such as Austria, Latvia and Romania, imposed similar waiting periods.)

The Strasbourg court was not convinced.

“The Court observes that the grounds for refusing the registration of the applicant group were not consistent throughout the time the applicants were attempting to obtain registration…

“They submitted six registration applications and the registration authority rejected all of them, each time citing some new grounds that it had not previously relied upon.

“The most recent refusal referred to the absence of a document confirming the group’s fifteen-year existence, the allegedly non-religious nature of the group, and some technical defects in its articles of association.”

The court pointed out that it had already ruled on the fairness of this 15-year rule in an earlier ruling, Kimlya and Others v. Russia, handed down on October 1, 2009 — almost five years ago to the day.

In that judgment, the Court ruled in favour of two Scientologists denied permission by other Russian cities to register Scientology as a religious group. It said that the “15-year rule” unfairly discriminated against new religious movements.

(It noted too, that the Russian Ombudsman had said as much on more than one occasion, warning that it meant Moscow was violating its international human rights obligations.)

In Thursday’s ruling, the court noted: “The Court need not determine whether or not Scientology is a religion because it can defer to the judgment of the Russian authorities on that matter.”

But it added: “What is decisive for the Court, however, is that the reason for refusing the registration of the applicant group — which had ultimately been endorsed by the Russian courts — was the legal provision establishing a special fifteen-year waiting period that applies only to religious organisations.”

And since it had ruled against Russia on this point in the Kimlya case, the same ruling applied here.

Of the Russian court rulings, it remarked, “…none of the grounds invoked by the domestic courts for rejecting the confirmation document was based on an accessible and foreseeable interpretation of domestic law.”

But the real stumbling block for the Russian defence was the “15-year rule,” it stressed.

“In so far as the fifteen-year waiting period under Russia’s Religions Act affected only newly emerging religious groups that did not form part of a hierarchical church structure, there was no justification for such differential treatment.”

Its ruling on the Article 9 violation, it added, was interpreted in the light of Article 11, which covers the right to freedom of assembly and association. The court dismissed claims based on other articles of the convention.

— Jonny Jacobsen


Posted by Tony Ortega on October 2, 2014 at 07:00

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  • Jo

    Scientology FB, Special Success Meet-up: How To Determine if Someone is Trustworthy. Weird, pic.

  • Lurkness

    For help leaving scientology …. refresh

  • Lurkness

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    If you see any of these red flags, contact the National Human Trafficking Resource Center hotline at 1-888-373-7888 or text to BeFree (233733) for specialized victim services referrals or to report the situation. This list is not exhaustive and represents only a selection of possible indicators. Also, the red flags in this list may not be present in all trafficking cases and are not cumulative.

    Common Work and Living Conditions: The Individual(s) in Question

    Is not free to leave or come and go as he/she wishes

    Is under 18 and is providing commercial sex acts

    Is in the commercial sex industry and has a pimp / manager

    Is unpaid, paid very little, or paid only through tips

    Works excessively long and/or unusual hours

    Is not allowed breaks or suffers under unusual restrictions at work

    Owes a large debt and is unable to pay it off

    Was recruited through false promises concerning the nature and conditions of his/her work

    High security measures exist in the work and/or living locations (e.g. opaque windows, boarded up windows, bars on windows, barbed wire, security cameras, etc.)

    Poor Mental Health or Abnormal Behavior

    Is fearful, anxious, depressed, submissive, tense, or nervous/paranoid

    Exhibits unusually fearful or anxious behavior after bringing up law enforcement

    Avoids eye contact

    Poor Physical Health

    Lacks health care

    Appears malnourished

    Shows signs of physical and/or sexual abuse, physical restraint, confinement, or torture

    Lack of Control

    Has few or no personal possessions

    Is not in control of his/her own money, no financial records, or bank account

    Is not in control of his/her own identification documents (ID or passport)

    Is not allowed or able to speak for themselves (a third party may insist on being present and/or translating)


    Claims of just visiting and inability to clarify where he/she is staying/address

    Lack of knowledge of whereabouts and/or do not know what city he/she is in

    Loss of sense of time

    Has numerous inconsistencies in his/her story

    • Lurkness

      Amazing how many of the indicators are present for Scientology. Almost as if they wrote the list with them in mind.

      • Free Minds, Free Hearts

        That is really true Lurkness. It looks like to was written with the Sea Org in mind.

    • Zer0

      You could make a Clearwater hand-out with this!

      I would edit to the following:

      Has few or no personal possessions
      Is not in control of his/her own money, no financial records, or bank account
      Is not in control of his/her own identification documents (ID or passport)
      Is not allowed or able to speak for themselves (a third party may insist on being present and/or translating)
      Is not free to leave or come and go as he/she wishes
      Works excessively long and/or unusual hours
      High security measures exist in the work and/or living locations
      Avoids eye contact

    • Jimmy3

      A few of these are so vague, they could be symptoms of any number of things. “Avoids Eye Contact”. Maybe they’re shy? Unconfident? “Poor Physical Health”. So 3/4ths of Americans are human trafficking victims? Really?

      But mostly it’s a good list.

  • Zer0

    We should give thanks that Miscavige is such a retard.

  • Lurkness

    Here is another resource and even more help that is available in leaving Scientology. They can assist with food, shelter and legal issues. Please call. Be free… now, now, now.

    Call the National Human Trafficking Resource Center at 1-888-373-7888 or text to BeFree (233733) to obtain local referrals, safety planning information, or to report a human trafficking situation.

    Call if you or someone you know:

    is being forced to have sex against his or her will

    has had his or her ID or documents taken away

    is being threatened by or is in debt to his or her boss

    wants to leave his or her job but feels he or she cannot

    Operators are available 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year. Interpreters are available for up to 170 different languages for those callers that require interpretive services. All calls are strictly confidential.

  • Lurkness

    …. one more refresh

  • Sydjazz

    Tick tock davey

  • Freethinker

    I have a general question: Even Hitler at a certain point was forced to realize that all was lost. When will Der Dwarfenfurher realize that it’s GAME OVER for $cientology?

    • Jimmy3

      Probably sometime in the mid-1980’s.

      • Freethinker

        Well, as far as I know, either you or Zer0 could be right!

        • Jimmy3

          What I mean is that I don’t think David Miscavige actually believes in any of this Scientology nonsense, and by some accounts, he’s not as stupid as we like to think he is. He must’ve known Scientology was all downhill once LRH went into hiding. But he certainly had incentives to keep the Church of Scientology running. The money, the power, the lifestyle it affords him. Rabid defenses of the CoS are not necessarily proof that he believes in Scientology and wants to preserve it. Or that he cares at all about “KSW”. It only proves that he wants to keep the cow alive and keep his ass out of prison. Why should he care about Scientology dying, as long as he keeps padding his retirement package? It was game over a while ago, he’s just milking every drop out of it.

          These are only my impressions based on what I’ve followed as an outsider, so don’t take any of it as fact.

          • Zer0

            However, the man has no education. His reign could be described as an Idiocracy

            • Captain Howdy

              Meyer Lansky never finished the 6th grade.

    • Zer0

      He’s a moron, so he won’t realize it

    • Captain Howdy

      Hitler didn’t have anywhere to go. The whole world wanted him dead. Miscavige has billions at his disposal, no shortage of henchmen, and he’s wanted by none.

      • Golden Age of Blech

        And if he wants to, he can make them fight. Dont forget Waco.

        • Captain Howdy

          If you believe that CofS is a criminal organization, that makes Miscavige the most successful crime boss in the world.

          • Golden Age of Blech

            Waco was about religious zealots following a sick demented leader.

          • Golden Age of Blech

            Sound familiar?

          • Golden Age of Blech

            I saw some of the drama the other day. What happened with Lush? Tony dissed him and he got angry? Isnt this what we are all about. Different. Opinions?

            • Captain Howdy

              Uh, not really sure.

            • Jimmy3

              Lush was attacked and bitten by a werewolf. Or, at least what they think was a werewolf. It’s hard to tell, because the werewolf was not transformed at the time and it may have just been a crazy person. But they’re taking every precaution and he’s currently in quarantine. We’re all wishing him a full recovery, but I’m secretly hoping he becomes a werewolf, because it would be so hilarious to see a werewolf with giant balls on his head.

            • Golden Age of Blech


            • Captain Howdy

              I heard he joined the BWP (British Werewolf Party)

            • Jimmy3

              That doesn’t look like a very fun party.

            • Vaquera

              Forget Fallon, Kimmel, Meyers…my new favorite late night entertainment is A Bit of Jimmy and Howdy. Watching the two of you self-entertain cracks me up.

            • Vaquera

              I didn’t need to see that at a quarter to one in the morning when there’s a wicked storm blowing overhead and I’m the only one in the house. Where’s my blankie???

            • Captain Howdy

              Relax and enjoy this lullaby.


            • Vaquera

              The vid won’t play for me. Will find it elsewhere..

            • Captain Howdy

              Try watching it directly on youtube.

            • Vaquera

              Same results. “This video not available.” Found a live version.. Thanks for the bedtime tune.

            • Sometimes people just need a little time away.

          • Todd Tomorrow

            Some of those Russian oligarchs have blood all over their hands and are far richer than the clampire. Like a certain one who owns,Manchester United. During the hostel take overs 100s were killed in the steel wars alone. Then there is the ex CEO of, Unistar Americo(United states) Bush who killed hundreds of his own people and innocent and children invading a country for no apparent reason except to gain personal wealth for his family and friends. Using a lie about,”weapons of mass…” and a vague connection(lie) to 9/11.So as much as I despise the abuses of slappy and would love to see him rot in jail there are others just as evil around his age.
            Saddam and Bin Laden are on this list but hey they’re dead.

            • Espiando

              You mean Chelsea. Man U is owned by the Glazer family, and the only evil thing you can blame them for is the repeated footbulleting of the Tampa Bay Bucs.

    • kemist

      That question just made me imagine that scene from the movie Downfall which everyone “translates” on youtube with all sorts of things, but with the Dwarf as Hitler…

  • jeff
  • Golden Age of Blech

    I live in a wonderful suburb of Boston . I have been watching things (Ideal) here for a while now. HA! Tony has it down. I found out through The Bunker that the new temporary Org is right on my bus route. Where can I get some shit i can put up around the Org to stir them up a bit? Let them know the SP’s are always watching no matter where you hide. They seem to have holed up in an office building in Quincy Center. Cant get enough support from the public to make this an “Ideal City”….. What a pity….

    • Golden Age of Blech

      Fight you till the end Miss Cabbage, you worm.

      • Suppressive Tomato

        It’s interesting to consider what a post-Miscavige Scn would look like. It’s actually hard to imagine. A lack of succession is embedded in the introspective obsession that was the core of Hubbard’s psychology, and therefore also the core of Scn policy. If COB fell suddenly to a stroke (not preposterously unlikely, BTW) who would assume leadership? COB has made a non-person of everyone with any real experience of leadership in the organization. Some are out here with us, others are buried in The Hole or simply vanished. Scn has a very real problem in this regard. A succession plan is essential for any organization to persist. LRH wouldn’t build one because he was unwilling to ever relinquish power. So there’s no policy, and we all know you can’t do anything without a policy (ahem).

        • Todd Tomorrow

          I was under the impression that he was leaving it to Pat and Annie Broker.

          • Suppressive Tomato

            Dark Lulz … I don’t recall DM having any Loyal Officers, though …

          • Gerard Plourde

            But did he really? I mean, had Hubbard actually planned for his enterprise to survive him he would have made certain that the Broekers had the means to assert control once he was gone. Instead, Hubbard’s system of communicating his dictates gave effective control to the Commodore’s Messenger Organization and Miscavige, its head for the last six years of Hubbard’s life. The result was inevitable.

        • Captain Howdy

          Dictators don’t pick successors, it makes them nervous.

          Miscavige could sell the rights to everything and the buyers could re-brand it like they did with EST.

          • Suppressive Tomato

            That’s definitely one endgame. But there will still be some KSW folks. Where do they fit in after the re-brand under new management?

          • Todd Tomorrow

            Like Falwell bought the PTL network.

    • Lurkness
      • Golden Age of Blech

        Thank you very much. Most appreciated!

  • Zer0

    How ironic that the abhorrent ideology of Scientology created its own worst enemy…. Miscavige.

    • Suppressive Tomato

      I think of COB more as an inevitable side effect of the boundless hubris which Hubbard couldn’t help but enshrine in his personal mirror “philosophy”. Arguably, the worst enemy of Scn is the sum of the principles of Scn. Without empathy or mercy, no organization can endure. LRH got what he wanted. He lived in relative luxury and pulp-stardom for many years and, famous or infamous, he wasn’t forgotten at the tombstone. What happened to his adherents was never of terrible concern as long as his “discoveries” were sufficient to keep the register ringing. DM has no such revenue stream, as he can never be Source, so he has no choice but to abandon the tech, since there’s nothing new to sell. He’s tried it with repackaging LRH over and over, but that isn’t pulling in new public … So, endless regging for buildings and IAS are really all he has. He didn’t create that; LRH policy backed him into a corner well suited for a vicious rat. (Note to COB: Use of semi-colon in previous sentence is intentional.)

      • Captain Howdy

        “Without empathy or mercy, no organization can endure”

        I seem to remember the Roman Empire lasting a thousand years or so.

        • Suppressive Tomato

          In defense of my point, I didn’t put a specific time limit on “endure”. And Scn certainly aims for eternity (or at least a billion years).

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          There was empathy and mercy in ancient Rome. More (or less) in some time periods than others.

          • Captain Howdy

            Of course. Nothing is ever 100% good or evil. The Nazis were great supporters of conservation and animal rights.

            • Jimmy3

              That’s why so many stupid animals fall for the argument that the Nazis weren’t really all that bad.

            • Captain Howdy

              Exactly, like those dam bald eagles with their Dr. Martens.

            • Jimmy3

              There’s a fat squirrel (a real squirrel, not a scientologist) that lives in a tree in my yard. All he does is munch on acorns and talk about where the third reich went wrong and what their strategy should have been. But this is according to my dog who hates that goddamn squirrel, and he also barks that all the neighborhood children are ISIS operatives. So maybe he’s exaggerating just a little.

            • Captain Howdy

              I’d trust your dog if I was you..just saying,

            • DodoTheLaser

              Bald eagles are impressive birds. Dr. Martens are are great boots.
              But they are not a good match, indeed.

              Here’s pretty cool article:

            • Captain Howdy

              Good stuff.

  • DodoTheLaser

    Mike Rinder put “Video For Tonight’s PAC Graduation”
    on his blog a few hours ago:

    That’s where they going to announce that LA Org achieved the Saint Hill size and that’s why most staff was fired
    and replaced by the Sea Org staff. Because it totally makes sense like that. Oh, the lulz!

    • Vaquera

      The video….flashy and vapid at the same time.

      • DodoTheLaser

        As usual.

    • Pierrot

      Mike R video does not work for me, any ideas?

      • DodoTheLaser

        You are not missing anything. It’s just a short vid with scientologists holding certificates, holding the E-meter cans, cutting the ribbon on Big Blue and generally clapping to each other.

        The only shot that deserves any attention is the new Sea Org execs for LA Org on stage and Mike posted that screenshot. I bet some scientologists are about to blow for good just because of watching videos like this.

        This whole thing with LA Org being taken over by the Sea Org is a gift that keeps on giving.

        • Graham

          Help me out Dodo. The twenty-somethings in that screen-shot are the senior management team? It looks like a staff photo of newly enrolled trainees.

          • DodoTheLaser

            Well, they are the senior management team for the LA Org.
            In the Sea Org org, probably not so much. I am sure we will have more details soon.

            • Graham

              Thanks Dodo. (I’ve asked the same question at Mike’s site but it’s still in moderation)

            • DodoTheLaser

              You are welcome, Graham.

    • Pierrot

      It now works after refreshing!
      Thanks again for your unusual and attractive graphics with your RedX posts.

      • DodoTheLaser

        Great! And you are very welcome. I am glad you appreciate it.
        I look for the art I like and think is appropriate for the cause, modify colors and add text.
        I also give a credit to the original artist, unless it’s already imparted in their graphic work.
        Fair use.

  • Cosmo Pidgeon


  • Pierrot

    *** RED X +–+ RED X +–+RED X +–+ RED X *** Friday the 3rd of October

    Good morning Early Birds and Night Owls,

    Oh my! A very dismal stats show yesterday, the Pacistan take over must have enterbulated the staff all around! A poor 52 ads on this Thursday keeps our 4 Days list at a very manageable 250 or a good 13 to 15 minutes
    flagging, flag them all, blues & purples.

    See the tips & tricks about flagging in the left column: Dolly & Vistaril tech, Reboot Router Tech , Enthetameter Tech……

    For those who do not do the *4 Days List* here is the balance of yesterday’s ads, scroll up to flag the full day and the previous days:

    DON’T route out, BLOW, Get HELP, get OUT. CALL 1-866-XSEAORG

    Ty Hamro, celebration all round

    • Pierrot


    • Vaquera

      The ad from Nashville urging indie $cios to gather together “away from the stifling church environment.”

      • DodoTheLaser

        Ha! I say we don’t need to flag that one. Most Indies are future Exes.

    • Graham

      A couple of non-scio ads seem to have found their way onto the ‘4 day’ list? An ad for cute kittens and an ad for a psychic? I was ‘speed-Xing’ so flagged before I’d noticed 🙁

      • Pierrot

        Thanks Graham, it is now corrected. I should pay more attention. It has come about because of co$ Boston changing address and sharing the same address with some socially minded organizations.
        We will have to modify our search parameters.

        • Golden Age of Blech

          New address for Boston Org. 1215 Hancock street Quincy Ma 02169. I live a couple of miles from there. Just found out the other day. Gonna hang up some DM wanted posters around the org area that Lurkness turned me onto!

  • Vaquera

    1,000+ comments on a day without real time court updates! Thanks to Tony for providing such delicious news on the momentum-gaining decline of Co$.

    • DodoTheLaser

      Thanks to Mike and Jonny, as well. That’s some team work.

  • romanesco

    What’s wonderful about this site is that you can wring as much, if not more information out of the comments as you can out of the articles.

  • DodoTheLaser

    Just a little update on Karen – she’s talking with BBC Radio right now.
    The recording will be available in 2-3 days or so on her Youtube channel.

  • endoftheQ

    The Russians will probably join us Brits. in deciding to ignore the ECHR. 😉

  • Burn, $cientology, Burn!

  • Eddie Vroom


  • test 3

  • Just up at Infinite Complacency, “Russia had it coming”, an analysis of why Scientology’s critics should accept the three European Court of Human Rights rulings backing the movement against Russia.