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More trouble for Scientology’s drug rehab network, Narconon — this time in Florida

Suncoast's future location, a former church

Suncoast’s future location, a former church

Joe Childs at the Tampa Bay Times last night reported that there’s trouble potentially brewing for the Scientology drug rehab facility in Hernando County, Florida.

Suncoast Rehabilitation Center, part of Scientology’s Narconon network, has been in the news recently for a dispute with the county over its expansion plans. The Times has closely watched that battle, which took a fortunate turn for Suncoast when it successfully appealed a low damage award (the case is now in mediation). Childs reported last month that another facility, a former church, was purchased in Clearwater by the same owners, and we told you that according to our sources Suncoast is planning on moving its operation from Hernando County to the Clearwater location.

And now Childs has learned that Suncoast may be in some trouble with the state, after its director, Tammy Strickland, testified in the county dispute that three additional, unlicensed locations were rented in 2011 by Suncoast for housing patients and staff.

That’s a big no-no, Childs points out.

“My mouth is hanging open,” said Department of Children and Families licensure specialist Troy McDermott, when told of the rented sites. In his 21 years at DCF, he never has encountered a center providing services at unlicensed facilities, he said.

Childs writes that if the state investigates, penalties could range up to the facility losing its license.

And about that license — Childs previously reported that the new location, in Clearwater, has filed for licensure not as a drug rehab facility but as a “halfway house.”

That makes two Narconon centers that have applied for certification as halfway houses that we know of — the network’s flagship facility in Oklahoma, Narconon Arrowhead, also recently applied for that status.

For a couple of years now, we’ve been watching as the Narconon network has found itself under siege after several patient deaths, followed by government investigations and dozens of lawsuits. We have to wonder if shifting their licenses to halfway houses is a strategy for Narconon to become less regulated now that so much negative attention has been focused on the system. We’d like to know if any other Narconon facilities have applied for halfway house status, and will the facilities begin charging less or changing their programs after dialing back on their licensure? We’d love to hear from the numerous researchers who watch Narconon nearly full time and read this website — let us know if you’ve heard anything about the “halfway house” maneuver spreading across the country.

A source familiar with the Narconon Spring Hill situation tells us that the halfway house designation won’t stop the rehab center from doing what it’s done in the past…

“There’s just no way that Narconon is going to be out of the business of rehab. It just doesn’t make any sense. Every Thursday at 2 pm they’re scrambling to make their stats. It’s a money-making business. That isn’t going to change, whatever the license is. You can’t just steer that ship in another direction.”

 
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In Scientology, there is no god

A strong new video statement by Karen de la Carriere…

 

 
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Scientology in your Congress, safepointing your d00dz

Hey, Congressional staffers, are you in town while Congress is still at recess with nothing to do? Well, Scientology would love for you to come by the Fraser Mansion to hear about a great humanitarian named L. Ron Hubbard! What a party!

 
DCInvite

 
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Scientology at the Fringe

A tipster is back from the Edinburgh Fringe Festival, where he tells us Scientology went all out with its “Truth About Drugs” campaign. He sent us a couple of photos…

 
EdFringe2

 
EdFringe3

 
Our tipster tells us that the American accents suggested that this wasn’t a production of the local org.

Also, the Scotsman covered the drugs campaign with one of the sloppiest clip-jobs we’ve seen about Scientology in a long time.

The article, for example, said that “this year” the church was ordered to pay “6 million in damages to former member Lawrence Wollsersheim [sic] who claimed he was pushed to the brink of suicide in a lawsuit in the United States.”

Wollersheim was awarded nearly $9 million, but that was 12 years ago.

The article also blamed Scientology for the breakup of Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman. Readers of this blog know that Scientology has been responsible for the breakup of innumerable couples and families, but the Cruise-Kidman matchup was, as far as we know, one that split up for other reasons.

Well, whatever. The Scotsman did refer to Scientology as a “money-grubbing cult,” and you have to hand it to Scots for their frankness.

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on August 26, 2014 at 07:40

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  • Learn about their humanitarian programs on that DC flyer?! Their humanitarian programs consist of writing a check for a certain amount and bingo, you’re a humanitarian! No effort, no work involved, just write a check!

    • How much money does a “Scientology Nobel Prize” cost? 🙂 Count on these insane crooks eventually coming out with one.

      • you’re right!! i’m surprised they haven’t already come up with one….this upcoming sunday we’ll see the flyer for the l. ron hubbard COBel prize (just something they’ve cobbled together) that you’ll be awarded personally by COB if you donate $40 million!!

    • joan nieman

      Yep. That is all you have to do and it is to be done constantly through the days, months and years.

      • yeah, fuck doing good WORKS and helping those less fortunate and truly trying—by your personal actions—to make the world a better place…nope, just keep writing those checks for niblet’s slush fund!!!

  • Edinburgh Fringe Festival? I guess those American imports don’t know that Xenu is waiting for them!

    Fringe faces the wrath of L Ron June 17, 2007, Marc Horne, The Scotsman

    • I notice that they seem to be doing this Say No to Drugs event direct by Scientology. There’s no mention of their Foundation for a Drug-Free World secular front (other than the URL in the ads) that they use in America. Once again, Scientology shifts their guise to whatever is most convenient in that place and time.

    • MaxSpaceman

      For those who don’t click over: “Drama group Collapsible Theatre is staging Xenu Is Loose! – a satirical science-fiction production poking fun at the doctrines of the organisation”

    • Ardent

      Thanks for the link, Mycroft.

    • Once_Born

      “Scientology is one of the fastest growing sects in the world, claiming more than eight million members”.

      *Sigh* At least they said “claiming”

  • aquaclara

    Councillor Steve Cardownie said it best when he noted the Scientologiests are not the best kind of people to associate with. The article points out that the Fringe Festival is put on by the Jive Aces, who promise no religious stuff. Do we believe them? Of course not.

    Love the pics, anonymous Bunkerite. Thank you!

    • How are the Jive Aces not religious (or at least not Scientological)?

      Domain Name: JIVEACES.COM
      Registrant Name: Alex Douglas
      Registrant Organization: The Jive Aces
      Registrant Street: Saint Hill Manor
      Registrant City: East Grinstead
      Registrant State/Province: East Grinstead

      Domain Name:JIVEACES.ORG
      Registrant Name:CSI DOMAIN DIRECTOR
      Registrant Organization:Church of Scientology Int’l
      Registrant Street: 6331 Hollywood Blvd
      Registrant City:Los Angeles
      Registrant State/Province:CA

      • aquaclara

        I wish the Scottish paper were open for comments…..

        We could have some fun over there.

        • Ardent

          Yeah… 🙂

  • Sid

    Per Childs:
    http://www.tampabay.com/news/scientology/scientology-related-rehab-may-have-violated-law/2194630

    “In the Atlanta area, a Narconon outpatient center closed last year as authorities investigated possible insurance fraud. Earlier, a patient had died of a drug overdose while housed in unsupervised, rental quarters arranged by Narconon.”

    Narconon in Clearwater Florida has an Outpatient program, but they do also have an apartment nearby where they house students. It’s owned by a local Scientology contractor (Pierre something). Similar to Atlanta.

    Narconon Clearwater
    22073 Us Highway 19 N, Clearwater, FL 33765
    Phone: (727) 796-1011 or (727) 796-0022
    Toll Free Phone: 1-888-262-2389
    Narconon Florida’s Executive Director, Cheryl A. Alderman
    Outpatient Detoxification and Treatment Services

    http://www.narcononflorida.org/about-us/
    “Narconon has no political or religious aims and its sole intent is the rehabilitation of persons with drug and/or alcohol addiction with a success rate of 78%.”

    • narcononflorida.org, you say? Here’s a familiar name for you:

      Domain Name:NARCONONFLORIDA.ORG
      Registrant Name:Barry Coziahr
      Registrant Organization:Response Targeted Marketing
      Registrant Street: 1310 Papin Ave
      Registrant City:Saint Louis
      Registrant State/Province:Missouri
      Registrant Postal Code:63103
      Registrant Country:US

      Is he in the Narconon FSM business as well?

      • Ardent

        And isn’t there something rather creepy about the registrant organization being a marketing outfit? Bit of a giveaway? Your sleuthing does your avatar justice, Mycroft!

        • A martian who asks snoopy questions, with a slight family resemblance to Alfred E. and an old connection to Dianetics?

          • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

            A beautiful image by Kelly Freas who was also a frequent Mad Magazine cover painter. It changed my life. The original was at a 1970 SF convention I attended. I had never seen anything more beautiful. I hear that the painting no longer exists except as a reproduction.

            Too bad Kelly Freas is gone. He would have also been a part of the SF world about the time L.Ron was beginning to make a name for himself as a cult leader. I am sure he had stories to tell.

            • Missionary Kid

              Freas’ illustrations for Astounding Science Fiction and later, as it was called, Analog Science Fact and Fiction won him several awards as an illustrator. I miss him. He was the best.

            • If nothing else, he would have heard John W. Campbell’s views on the early Dianetics days. Possibly he gave it a try himself back then, but I don’t think there was any hint of later involvement by him. He was friendly towards the Writers/Illustrators of the Future, but he certainly wasn’t alone in that. (Let’s take evil money and use it for good stuff!)

              Fredric Brown is a favorite too: a master of the short story.

            • Once_Born

              Alfred Bester was on the scene when Cambell first encountered “Dianetics”.

              In an interview, he describes a meeting he had with Campbell at exactly the time that “Dianetics” was being prepared for publication in “Astounding”. Urged to read the manuscript, Bester was taken aback by Campbell’s misplaced enthusiasm (he thought Hubbard had made Psychiatry obsolete, and should recieve a Nobel prize). http://scicrit.wordpress.com/2014/08/10/a-classic-alfred-bester-interview-where-a-skeptical-sf-writer-is-introduced-to-dianetics/

              Campbell embraced other truly strange causes. For example, he championed the ‘Hieronymus machine'(a ‘machine’ with no moving parts which was supposed to amplify ‘psi’ powers) and the ‘Dean Drive’ (an engine which was supposed to produce thrust without ‘throwing away’ mass).

              However, he lost interest just as quickly. So it was with “Dianetics”.

          • Ardent

            Great find, man! That’s a really great cover.

      • Sid

        Good find.

        Barry is the guy who used The Way to Happiness to bring Peace and Prosperity to Saint Louis.

        http://www.thewaytohappinessstl.org/about-us/key-personalities/barry-coziahr/

      • flyonthewall

        wow, that’s f’d up! Thnx Mycroft

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        A google of “22073 US Highway 19 N, Clearwater, FL 33765” brings up four pages of conniving websites they use. Not all are listed as Narconon, of course. One is “Veterans Detoxification Project.” Another one is listed under Mental Health Treatment Center listings. How can they get by with this legally?

        When I saw that address Narconon is claiming they use for housing, I know that area is all commercial. There are no apartments there. Warehouses, yes.

        • Sid

          I believe the housing is in an apartment just south (5 minute walk) though not sure exactly which one.

          I also saw this address for Narconon which is in the same area.
          Narconon East US Inc
          21957 US Highway 19 N
          Clearwater, FL 33765

        • Strange, “Veterans Detoxification Project” has no Facebook page. 🙂

        • Which searching on that, I hit the phone number 866-567-4793, with a truly huge number of clone sites in the format drugrehab[town name].com which smells like a Narconon referral operation, but they list local non-Narconons too. If it is Narconon, I’ll scrape the list of sites into my db.

          • This is one of the ways the crime syndicate swindles people in to falling for their fake “independent referral” crimes.

            • Even if people do go to one of the local non-Narconons, without calling the phone number and being steered to Narconon, it’s such a big net of sites that letting a few fish go won’t hurt them.

              Example: http://www.drugrehabpomona.com/ “Part of a Non-Profit Social Betterment Organization”. Uh huh. If that’s not Narconon, my sense of smell is dead.

    • Sid

      I was mainly pointing out that they are an Outpatient Service with a housing facility for some of the students.

  • J. Swift

    There is no monotheistic personal God found anywhere in the Church of Scientology or its Tech.

    Rather, in Scientology, OT = Godhood. And as there are many OT’s, or Gods, what Scientology actually offers is a form of Hierarchical OT Polytheism in which all of these “OT Gods” each agree to form a larger and more important Borg-like monolithic Group whose sole purpose is to forward Command Intention.

    The main goals of Command Intention are to “Clear the Planet” and to “Put in Scientology Ethics on the Planet.” In other words, the Church of Scientology’s actual goal is global conquest and the obliteration of any
    competing religions and ideologies.

    In the Church of Scientology whoever issues “Command Intention” in Scientology is the Chief God among all OT Gods.

    For this reason, the Church of Scientology can only ever be a Cult of Personality whose sold focus is upon the Chief OT God whose words form Command Intention.

    The “Chief OT God of Scientology” is therefore L. Ron Hubbard.

    L. Ron Hubbard spoke Scientology into existence. Hubbard is therefore the Source and Fountainhead of Scientology. Hubbard is the Scientology Oracle and the Chief OT God.

    After L. Ron Hubbard died, David Miscavige became the “Second most important OT God” in Scientology.

    • flyonthewall

      Who then will inherit this godhood from Miscavige when he dies? What about this as a possibility; LRH’s reincarnation could be “appointed” by a cabal of wog lawyers kind of like an evil Dhali Lama or someone could just claim it and the cabal would go along with it and allow him to be the figurehead while they run things in the background. I joke a lot but I’m being serious here. It seems plausible to me

      • In Scientology politics, fortune favors the prepared knife.

      • Alpha Bates

        If Danger Mouse just suddenly popped an aneurysm we’d see the final nail in the coffin, so to speak. I think Chris Shelton’s last video showed pretty clearly that there probably is no plan for a successor as Dave would see anyone that could possibly lead in his stead as a threat. We all know that Darth Miniscule has a severe lack of foresight in nearly every area. It’s a safe bet that usurping Hubbard’s position was quite possibly the last scheme of his that worked the way he planned.

        In the event of Dirty Muskrat’s ouster/death/disappearance, I believe the end of the cult would happen at least 10 times faster than it is currently.

        • Missionary Kid

          Darth Miniscule and Dirty Muskrat have been put on the list of Things said about DM. I’ll post it in several days.

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        Hey, California is a community property state.
        Captain Shelly to the courtesy phone.

        Oh, Wait…..

        • Anonymous

          Wee Davey only lives in California when he is a named defendant in a lawsuit filed in Florida.

          If Shelly tries to divorce him, he definitely will not claim CA residency. Heh.

          • Peter

            My bet is that if she tries to divorce him (unlikely), she will meet with a permanent “accident.”

          • Jenstnick

            Doesn’t matter where he lives, as long as she’s a resident and files here in CA, he will have to respond here.

            • Anonymous

              Good point.

              She’ll have to be re-imprisoned elsewhere soon.

      • Once_Born

        I have always thought that the reincarnated Ron need not be corporeal.

        A ruling cabal could arrange for New policy documents, signed by ‘Source’, to miraculously appear in one of his offices – a 21st century revelation. The prop cigarettes could even be smoked, in the same way that Father Christmas eats those mince pies.

        Entertaining as this might be it would never happen – because Scientology management does not have the imagination to pull it off. As you say, during the end days there will be an every-man-for-himself scramble for concealed money – and then safety.

        • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

          “The prop cigarettes could even be smoked, in the same way that Father Christmas eats those mince pies.”

          We in RTC have decided that all assembled Scientologists should also smoke Kools, this to partake of the mystical and mentholated presence of the Founder. Hence:

          The Sacrament of the Kools

          If the Sacrament of the Kools is not religion, then we in RTC don’t know what religion is.

          • KingofSweden

            that ritual smoking idea reminds me of the creepy cult The Guilty Remnant from HBO’s (awesome) new series The Leftovers

        • flyonthewall

          I bet if Nibs was around and in charge instead of Miscavige he would do it. He had a bit of the showman pizzaz of his old man. Yes, the whole of CoS upper echelon is pure CroMagnon at this point. Shows in everything they do, no class.

      • J. Swift

        Based upon the scant history of Scientology, the world has seen only one OT Chief God succession — and this was cloaked in secrecy behind which the banality of evil played out in Hemet, California, the most unlikely and obscure of all places for OT Godhood succession to occur.

        What we know is this: The Chief OT God creates, via personality and policy, internal and external threats against himself and the organizations. The Chief OT God must therefore isolate himself and appear to have no hand in running the day to day affairs of the organization. Additionally, he must also exile, imprison, or destroy those lesser Scientology Gods whom he perceives to be a threat to himself or to organizations.

        These extremely brutal measures fail and actually cause the sum of threats against the Chief OT God to increase and magnify. As the threats increase, the Chief OT God becomes even more increasingly insular, brutal, and paranoid in an ever-increasing and self-reinforcing cycle.

        *****
        Because L. Ron Hubbard trusted people enough to delegate power to his key subordinates, there was room for David Miscavige and the other Young Turks to engage in machination and intrigue against Mary Sue Hubbard and the GO. Conversely, David Miscavige trusts no one and does not delegate power to anyone except, apparently, his wog consiglere Monique Yingling.

        Therefore, when the “Second most important OT God” in Scientology, namely David Miscavige, goes to one of the implanting stations located on nearby planets, the the “Third most important OT God” in Scientology will somehow arise from chaos and intrigue. Of course, an aged and interim deity such as Warren McShane may temporarily be put into place by the Shadowmen.

        • flyonthewall

          Did you just feel something cold crawl up your spine?

          • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

            These things can become ghastly and even incomprehensible. The only thing one can count on is that Armies of the Living Dead, i.e. wog lawyers, are always required to help us sort things out inside the Church.

    • joeapple212

      Didn’t Hubbard say, “There are Gods, and there are makers of Gods, but the God-est God you’ll ever know is you.”

      To me, that’s scientology on ‘God,’ and you can get it on the PDC.

      I think I had a guardian angel that protected me in scientology. His name was Bob. He had done most of the OT levels, but whenever I asked him about OT, he said “listen to the PDC – that’s OT.” And he was right – it’s just a concept. I listened to the lectures at CCLA for a dollar a pop. He also told me it was OK to do as much scientology as you wanted, and to move on with your life. His influence precipitated my pre-OT departure from scientology.

      I remember many scientologists having a kind of new age belief in God. I heard this from more than one clam, that God was seeing the world “as it is.” Only they would frame it in the form of an auditing command:

      “Get the idea that everything in the universe is doing exactly what it should be doing.”

      Or something.

    • Anonymous

      The above, more obtusely stated, was the apparent point of Marty Rathbun’s post here:

      http://markrathbun.wordpress.com/2014/07/23/scientology-a-monotheistic-religion/

    • Annabelle

      These Gods and their hierarchy of greater Gods can shove their ethics rituals up their holy asses.
      They sicken me and I can’t wait to have a party when this minor cult and pimple on the ass of humanity is gone.

  • John P.

    Regarding the Narconon operation, it appears that the new “halfway house” strategy is a fairly obvious retreat from what are probably much stricter licensing requirements for medically supervised detox and addiction treatment facilities. Of course, it goes without saying that they’ll engage in the same deceptive sales practices to get people in the door, the same insurance fraud once they’re inside, and the same medical quackery and sleazy forced “conversion” of people to Scientology.

    But in this strategic shift, they are actually going to dig themselves into an even deeper hole once they attain this licensing, since they will continue to bill insurance at the higher rates for rehab and detox, and since they’ll exceed the conditions of their license. No doubt they will operate like the former Narconon Newport Beach, with tons more people than their occupancy permits will tolerate. It’ll be even easier to shut them down than it has been in the past.

    What’s really amusing is that these supposedly SP-proof Scientologists, when interrogated by the licensing investigators, crack and let spill some very dangerous beans almost immediately, as in when Tammy Strickland automatically let slip in sworn testimony that they were engaging in massive bad behavior by operating multiple unlicensed locations. The staff brains are so fried by sleep deprivation and all the yelling from upper management that they can no longer stay ahead of what they need to say to protect the organization.

    A revelation of wholesale scorn for the law like the use of unlicensed locations will eventually spread to all the other investigators in other states who look at the cult. While the US is at a disadvantage to other countries who do licensing at the national level, all these investigators get together in associations of state health care inspectors and they eventually share secrets.

    In a relatively short time, all the state investigators will learn that there’s a thing called Scientology/Narconon/whatever they call themselves this week, and they often use unlicensed locations. And such a violation is an open-and-shut case — every investigator getting called to look at a Narconon facility will immediately know to check for unlicensed offsite locations, which is a great violation to discover because it is so heinous and so easy to use to shut the facility down, which makes them look better to their bosses.

    Regarding the Washington DC breakfast tomorrow, I don’t know how many staffers are going to want to get up early and go to the event. Too bad we didn’t learn about this earlier, as we could have called in a bunch of fake RSVP’s and padded out the list of confirmed guests, or we could have gotten a few Anons out there to protest. But since I’m sure no more than a handful of people will appear for this, it will sink into the swamp like all the other cult DC events, where they have pictures of a guy who turns out to be the third deputy undersecretary of export development for The Gambia standing there holding a TWTH booklet.

    • J. Swift

      A Narconon “halfway house” means an addict is halfway to becoming a Scientologist.

      The lower standards may actually be a transitional phase in which the Church takes over Narconon and runs it as a series of religious halfway houses. Christian groups do this, so perhaps CSI is transitioning Narconon, If so, this would make recruiting “recovered addicts:” into the Sea Org much easier. Whatever is behind the downgraded status was suggested by scammy wog lawyers.

      Narconon: The Reed Slatkin of drug treatment programs!

      • Dr_Orpheus

        Aren’t religious halfway houses required to disclose what religion they are affiliated with? Scientology’s likely failure to do so, could be considered fraud.

        • HappypantsDance

          I’ve been wondering about this, too. People have a right to know who’s really running the place they’re expecting to help them or members of their family. It’s obvious why Narconon (and its various permutations) hides what it really is: only a front group for a “religion” no one wants to touch with a barge pole has reason to hide its true owners. But again, people have a right to know. If there is no law or regulation for this transparency, there damn well should be.

          • Dr_Orpheus

            Even if it’s not technically illegal, it might be grounds for a lawsuit later on.

            • HappypantsDance

              Crossables crossed! I’m not a litigious person, but lawfare against Co$ is so many kinds of wonderful.

      • Missionary Kid

        Your first sentence, “A Narconon “halfway house” means an addict is halfway to becoming a Scientologist.”, is now on the list of Narconon nicknames and things said about it that is under $CIENTOLOGY ORGANIZATIONS AND FRONT GROUPS http://tonyortega.org/2014/06/12/more-proof-of-kerri-kasems-scientology-involvement-and-laura-prepon-lies-like-a-rug/#comment-1439059333

        • Peter

          Wow! MK, you’ve found a veritable plethora of list postings today! LOL Well done on all!

      • John P.

        J., not sure if you’re being straight or ironic with this one. If you’re serious about the cult transitioning away from Narconon brand to a religious halfway house with overt association with the cult, I don’t think that’s going to work out terribly well.

        After all, the only brand in the Scientology portfolio more toxic than the increasingly radioactive Narconon brand is that of the Mother Church itself. They had a much better chance until RTTP, David Love and many other activists started to gain traction. When I first did a Google search for “Narconon” two years ago or so, the first page of results was all of Narconon facilities; critic sites didn’t crack the top ten. Today, the same search yields about half pro sites and half critic sites. Amusingly, Tony’s blog is one slot above the headquarters narconon.com site.

        I would suggest the opposite is true: they are going to do everything they can to re-brand these festering pustules on the body public as anything other than Narconon, and they’ll redouble their efforts to hide any association between the facilities and Scientology. And that will, once again, set up a circular firing squad situation as they open themselves up to more open-and-shut lawsuits for fraud when people discover they’ve been doing Scientology and the success rate looks absolutely nothing like the 76% rate they routinely claim.

        • Missionary Kid

          John, the term “festering pustules” is now on the Narconon nicknames and things said about it at $CIENTOLOGY ORGANIZATIONS AND FRONT GROUPS http://tonyortega.org/2014/06/12/more-proof-of-kerri-kasems-scientology-involvement-and-laura-prepon-lies-like-a-rug/#comment-1439059333 The term fits NarCONon facilities well.

        • HappypantsDance

          If this particular manifestation of the cult isn’t eradicated entirely, that “76% success rate” could become true if “success” also includes people who die in their care and are thus no longer addicts. Co$ distorts so much that I wouldn’t be at all surprised if they got that crafty (and diabolical) with their definition of success. It’s horrifying.

          • Verve

            Considering how they have their own language… yeah, I can see that.

        • Still_On_Your_Side

          I agree, new front groups like the Foundation for a Drug Free World, or some new name, will pop up, owned and operated by members. Perhaps the model will be Per Wickstrom’s operation. Nonetheless, I doubt they will be successful. The Narconon mess is bound to reach critical mass soon, and the fallout from that will last for years. I predict this mess will result in congressional hearings on how the IRS grants tax exempt status, and monitors 501c3 entities. I will be surprised if the rumblings haven’t already started. Perhaps that is why the church is stepping up its DC operations.

          • Verve

            As for the IRS, nah, all those people are gone. They’ll generate, and probably pass, a bill tightening restrictions on such sketchy operations. Unless…
            $ci gets all freaked out and starts complaining, and then they’ll have hearings.

            Can you imagine Little Boots in front of Congress?!?!

            Moar popcorn!

        • J. Swift

          JP, from Scientology’s perspective, and I’m quite serious here, it has the only safe and effective solutions and answers to everything in all of life and livingness across the entire wholetrack and in all frames of reference.

          Scientology’s indoctrinated thinking is that the attacks are coming from the Psychs. Therefore, given the “fact” that the Psychs are chasing Narconon out of the secular arena by making it legally and financially very dangerous for Narconon to operate, the smart move, imo, is to opt for religious halfway houses. This allows the cash to keep coming in with religious shielding.

          Because there is no scientific basis for the use of TR’s, Objectives, and megadoses of niacin in drug treatment, Narconon 2.0 could be faith- based and cite its treatment in contracts as faith based.

          • Verve

            But, I’m fairly sure even a religious halfway house has to have some governmental standards and regulation. The crazy cults that get away with nuttiness have a compound in the middle of nowhere and never apply for any license.

            I think you are giving too much credit to $ci, especially since they never learn from their mistakes; they add another twist which just makes it worse.

      • Baby

        Their slogan is..

        ” If you have $ for Drugs..You have $ for us. “

      • Anonymous

        Reed Slatkin Approved.

        A new, highly valuable Scientology trademark!

    • Jimmy3

      Would it be rude to show up, eat some of their food and leave? That would be rude, right?

      • Ardent

        THE ‘FOOD’ IS PEOPLE!!

      • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

        Since when have you filthy bestial wogs ever cared about manners?

        • Ardent

          Since 52 Trillion years ago on the planet Gazebo. Hard to see these days, what with the big bang and all. Boy was that a shocker!

        • Jimmy3

          “So whose staff are you on, again?”
          “Staff? Oh, haha. No one’s. Congress is a bunch of corrupt assholes. I just saw a flyer for this breakfast on Tony Ortega’s blog. The eggs are less rubbery than I expected. Pass the pepper, please?”

      • Free Minds, Free Hearts

        Please go if you are in DC!!

      • Zana

        Yes. And it sounds like a very good idea – just to make a statement… except it’s like trying to play with fly paper.

    • Sid

      That DC breakfast is for Congressional staffers to learn about their ‘public policy initiatives’. How to make friends and influence politicians’ staff with free food.

    • N. Graham

      You’re absolutely right that the credit card and insurance abuse will continue no matter what they call themselves. I don’t think they care how they do it, as long as they are getting those credit card numbers.

    • antibity

      The Narconon strategy of switching from “drug rehabilitation” to “halfway house” in 2014 is a page from Scientology’s playbook in switching from “Modern Science of Mental Health” to “world’s fastest growing religion” in 1953.

      Why switch Narconon now? As Hubbard said about switching Scientology to a religion, “we couldn’t get worse public opinion than we have had or have less customers with what we’ve got to sell”.

    • “…as in when Tammy Strickland automatically let slip in sworn testimony that they were engaging in massive bad behavior by operating multiple unlicensed locations. “

      The brainless criminal wanted to pretend that Scientology is expanding everywhere, never before seen such amazing results, everyone on the planet wants Scientology so they have to commit felonies to house them all.

      Oh wait, NarCONon has nothing to do with Scientology. Woops!

  • Any article that has “money-grubbing cult” in it is an article that could have been a lot worse 🙂

  • Sejanus

    One has to wonder if the narcotics con is costing the cult more than it is making now.

    • Espiando

      You have to admit that they’d make more money selling narcotics rather than getting people off of them. And at this point, there’s less danger in the former.

      • Don’t they make sure that they get a cut from the dealers on staff? That’s out-tech!

      • Jimmy3

        Or open a marijuana dispensary. Think of all the great names they could have for different strains. ‘Xenu Blast’ hits you with the power of an H-bomb combined with a volcano. ‘Couch Jumper’ will get you excited. ‘R2-45’ will have you glued to your couch. Your friends may think you’re dead.

        • Mooser

          Oh, this is pretty funny. They opened a pot-shop in a town near me, which we call “Poor Tortured” (I live in Bummertown). Anyway, they opened it up, and it didn’t sell out. Not at all.

    • HillieOnTheBeach

      On a minor point, since Narconon recruits staff from “graduates”, I assume some of them
      may have had issues with the law before. But even if they didn’t, as word spreads that Narconon
      is getting increasingly entangled in lawsuits and scrutiny from various authorities, I wonder if a noticeable contingent of staff is abandoning its new vocation if only to avoid getting in anyone’s crosshairs.

      • Victoria Pandora

        Excellent point. But I wonder if they let their staff read the paper?

  • Sunny Sands

    The Narconon article was on the front page of the Tampa Bay Times, and continued in section A. (image refresh)

    • I just posted this photo to their Facebook Page. It should be interesting to see if these crooks have anyone left who cleans their Facebook pages of anything truthful that gets posted.

      • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

        It seems they do. The page oozes “good roads and good weather”.

  • Jimmy3

    Do they really expect that designating as a halfway house will help them avoid regulation? In a halfway house, there’s usually some sort of curfew, but you’re allowed and expected to leave for work, visit family, run errands, whatever. I highly doubt that no one will notice a “halfway house” is running itself like a rehab and not allowing anyone to leave.

  • Espiando

    Too bad there wasn’t a shot of Fearless Leader in one of those idiotic blue T-shirts. Or maybe it’s a good thing that there wasn’t a shot. That might mean that he’s blown. Come on, John, come join us here at the Bunker. You’ll love it, and we’ll love your stories.

    • joan nieman

      You are right Espi. Fearless Leader really doesn’t belong in that cult. I hope he uses some of his fearlessness and blows soon.

  • California

    RE: Narconon and the half-way house maneuver

    Hmmm. In California, there are different nomenclatures and rules& regs for “half-way houses,” and/or SLE’s (sober living environment facilities), etc. and all of them are coming under increasing scrutiny as the locals/law enforcement start complaining about some of them as some become a source of criminal activity, plus insurance (private and state) are really examining the operations. Things are in flux. This is not to say that there are not great SLE’s… there are. SCN/narconon is probably finding out the hard way here that the gravy train is over. As I get concrete info I will send it to you, Tony.

    I am not knowledgeable about Florida rules & regs. I am now in a learning mode. And I like that the TBT is on it.

  • D.Y.G.

    These people are insane. Did they think they wouldn’t get caught?

    • Ardent

      I would say Yes, they are insane, at least whilst under the aegis of the cult, and yes, they think they will get away with it, because I’m pretty sure the drones don’t even know what ‘IT’ is.

    • They got away with it for 2 years now until their stupid brainless criminal opened her shitter and accidentally admitted to committing the crimes.

      Behold the IQ of the typical criminal.

  • Peter Robinson

    Find out the truth about drugs – L Ron Hubbard took a lot……

  • Panopea Abrupta

    Red-X Red-X Red-X

    They were particularly busy for a Monday evening so it’s a nice list today.
    Go get these lying cheating dissembling #$@%%%@$:
    http://whyweprotest.net/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-111#post-2480235

  • SciWatcher

    Wait…that Scotsman article is from 2002. Isn’t that when Wollersheim received the money?

    • Sherbet

      Looks like a recycled article, and somebody forgot to make all the updates to 2014.

    • Tony Ortega

      Aha! Yeah, that looks like the case. They apparently took a 12-year-old story about Scientology, added the Jive Aces and the new drugs push, and then printed it as a new story! What a joke.

      • Sherbet

        They can’t all be Tony Ortega or Joe Childs or (insert gutsy and accurate journalists’ names here).

        • Espiando

          Well, all the journos up there were busy covering last night’s debate between Alex Salmond and Alastair Darling. There’s an assassination/”nothing of value was lost” joke to be made there, but Tony put me on warning yesterday, so I’m not going to do it.

          • Sherbet

            Just say no, Espi.

            • Espiando

              Hey, I just added high blood pressure medication on to my pill-popping list yesterday. I’m not going to say no to drugs under any circumstances.

            • Sherbet

              I meant Just say no to saying anything that will get you tossed from the Bunker.

          • Missionary Kid

            We need you as our attack dog, so thanks for toning it down on this one.

        • N. Graham

          Woodward and Bernstein.

      • Not quite as bad as accidentally publishing the prepared file obituary for someone still alive, but still, that’s sloppy!

      • N. Graham

        Also, they mentioned Lisa Marie who has been technically out for a couple of years now. If they are only going to mention two, they could at least make sure both of them are still clams!

    • Sherbet

      Good catch.

  • Sejanus

    Narconon. We will eff you up worse than the drugs you are on.

  • Sherbet

    “Hey, everyone: Don’t take drugs.” There. I’ve been (allegedly) just as effective as the blue shirts, and I saved the airfare.

    • Baby

      ” Just Say No.” Nancy Reagan

      That worked. ha

      • Sherbet

        Yup. As well as a flood of TWTH did in Ferguson.

    • D.Y.G.

      Drugs are bad, mmmkay?

    • Jimmy3

      The Truth About Drugs: They’re okay in moderation. If you’re taking them in proper moderation, you should have enough to share with me.

      • D.Y.G.

        If you’re happy and you know it, share your meds!

        • Sherbet

          I only have my ‘scrips. I’m the designated driver.

      • Sherbet

        The Truth About Drugs is NOT found in scientology’s or narconon’s teachings.

        • Mooser

          One must be careful, and avoid an underdose! An acute drug underdose is nothing to fool around with. When the blood level in your drugstream gets too high, there’s no telling what can happen. Best to avoid that situation.

          • Sherbet

            That’s why narconon has a medical staff to strictly monitor their clients’ blood levels. Or not.

    • kemist

      I don’t even take much alcohol but whenever I see the damn sciloons warn people against drugs I get a sudden urge to take some.

      • Sherbet

        😀 I hear ya. Just because. Don’t Bogart that whatchamacallit. (I am SOOO straight arrow it isn’t even funny.)

        • Ardent

          I just pictured a young Jack Nicholson ragging DM something wicked! It was a great image. Thanks, Sherbet.

          • Sherbet

            Easy Rider?

            • “So this is marijuana, huh? Well, if *you* say it’s okay…”

            • Sherbet

              And see what happened? 45 years later, Jack Nicholson is no longer adorable and young, but old and chubby. The Truth About Drugs!

      • HappypantsDance

        Yep, I keep wanting to do all the things Co$ says are “bad.” I figure if they’re against it, it must be wonderful and life-affirming.

      • Ardent

        I get the urge to spike their drinks with LSD – but then I realize that constitutes poisoning, and frankly, I am not that evil. But in my mind? Well, it does what it does. (chuckles like a cartoon villain).
        I have stood in front of a tent they set up at a local street fair and spoken loudly to all comers: “This is a cult! They only want your money! Do not take the test! Do not hold the cans!” And oddly, no cop bothered me. But my wife yanked me away after a few moments. Happily, the following year, they did not show up.

        • Missionary Kid

          That’s a real confront and shatter.

      • villagedianne

        I wonder what is the Scientology view of medical marijuana. The drug can help with many diseases, but definitely has psycho-active effects.

        • kemist

          They instill the fear of things like advil in their members, so they must hate marijuana for any reason whatsoever.

          If you’re a sciloon, you’re supposed to use their idiotic “tech” and imagine your pain is not there.

          Which is enough for me to hate them. People who want to keep me away from my painkillers when I need them are my ennemies.

    • Ardent

      Which drugs, though? See, these morons probably think you can think your way out of insulin dependancy. Perhaps a good old session of screaming at an ashtray, or overdosing on Niacin might help? They certainly have a very dim, if not actually hostile and vile attitude to anti-depressants (and yes, some of them suck. Others work wonders – it is a balancing act that a professional must go through with each patient). Say no to Antibiotics? Uh huh….Sure. Say no to Aspirin, digitalis, any and all opiates for pain control? No, the addled mind of Ronnie, that degenerate quacking hypocrite, seems to have adopted some sort of Christian Science thing and made it utterly demented.

      • Sherbet

        You’re absolutely right, Ardent. lrh and his successors seemed to have tossed the baby out with the bathwater.

        • Baby

          Hey..Hey.. That was such a warm bath.. sigh ; /

          *****Wait wait.. Scn bath.. OMG I wasn’t thrown I jumped! ******

          • Sherbet

            You’re one smart baby, Baby.

      • LHS

        “They certainly have a very dim, if not actually hostile and vile attitude to anti-depressants (and yes, some of them suck. Others work wonders – it is a balancing act that a professional must go through with each patient).”

        Kyle Brennan. That is all (edit: except to say that if I ever seem to be at all functional, antidepressants are probably the main reason).

  • Just Dee

    For some reason when it comes to Florida, I can’t see anything changing. I hope it does but I am never optimistic when it comes to that state. From what I understand reading the article, Narconon didn’t have a license from DCF originally, but DCF did issue them one about a week ago?

    • HappypantsDance

      Wow, does DCF not read anything at all about the facilities they license? How anyone can issue a license to Narconon after all the lawsuits out West?.That degree negligence of mind-boggling. (Curious as to whether they were paid off or coerced in some way.) Anyhow, it’s no wonder you’re never optimistic about FL.

    • chukicita

      Dee, I think Narconon had some kind of license, but it was only good for their main facility and it wasn’t valid for the ‘overflow’ facilities/berthing where they were housing clientele. That the licensing people were surprised about this speaks volumes about our state’s need for oversight.

  • Panopea Abrupta

    There is something utterly appropriate about the Truth on Drugs pamphleteers handing out their dreck on the Royal Mile, beside St. Giles Cathederal.

    The particular spot where they are was traditionally used for public hangings, “breaking upon the row”, pelting with eggs and otherwise abusing rogues and scoundrels.

    e.g. “Himself being Chieff, he wes hangit his awin hicht aboune [own height above] the rest of hes freindis”

  • Ivan Mapother

    I think the status change from rehab facility to halfway house might dip into insurance revenue. In the past, the clams have pawned off out-patient centers as in-patient and got caught. Trying to pull the same scam with halfway houses as treatment centers seems pretty desperate. Maybe they’ve decided to go cash customers only, their thinking is usually clouded by emotion and easy to prey on.

  • Baby

    Great Video Karen and Jeff. Jeff you have a beautiful voice. ( Karen I’m not flirting..ha) but he does.

  • Perhaps this is a good moment for a short recap and update of the Dutch Narconon. The Dutch Healthcare inspection started an investigation into the Dutch Narconon in early 2013. The deal they reached with Narconon was that Narconon would operate as a half-way house rather than a drug rehab. With this deal, the Inspection gained at least that Narconon wouldn’t put patients with withdrawal symptoms through their dangerous niacin/sauna nonsense. For Narconon, this deal has the advantage that they are no longer regulated by tough quality of healthcare laws. And although there is another set of regulations attached to insurance laws, this is an opt in law. In exchange for not being able to make insurance claims, Narconon opted out. As a result, Narconon Netherlands is now virtually unregulated (I’ll get back to that ‘virtually’ below).

    It was a pragmatic move by the Inspection that has been publically criticized by at least one health care professional, a professor in the field of addiction treatment. And he has a point because if Narconon would submit itself to insurance related laws, the Inspection would be forced to intervene because Narconon doesn’t meet the requirements around medical supervision in that particular regulation.

    So, who knows, perhaps the Dutch experience has played a part in Narconon now requesting half-way housing licensing elsewhere as well – after all, it likely leads to reduced legal requirements in most places.

    Anyways, this is not the end of the story. Naturally, Narconon didn’t upheld its part of the deal. During an unannounced visit a few months later, the Inspection found Narconon to be operating as a full rehab as usual. Surprise, surprise, huh… As a result, they were put under stringent supervision, something that Tony reported on back in June 2013. This stringent supervision was lifted in November 2013 – apparently, the Inspection has placed sufficient faith in Narconon to let them off the leash.

    Since then, I have been trying to get ex-patients to publically step forward and confirm a second death in the
    facility in 2006 which Narconon has successfully kept away from public scrutiny (alongside one from 2007 which is public knowledge). I’m positive I have enough media connections to get that story out and I am pretty certain it would give the Inspection sufficient cause and motivation to finally shut Narconon down. This has to do with the ‘virtual’ I mentioned earlier. If the Inspection would feel that Narconon is actively endangering the public health, they have the option to get it shut down through an executive order, rather than shutting it down as part
    of their own mandate. This happened to another hopelessly unprofessional cult-run rehab in 2012. For now, the Inspection hasn’t chosen that route for Narconon, but I suspect that one more strike means out as far as the Inspection is concerned.

    So, Paco… Seth… I really perhaps this post will be the message that reach you. If it does, please considerr speaking out! Narconon has a legal obligation to report the death itself, so any gag agreement you may have signed means nothing… My contact information is on my site (just attach .nl to my username).

    • Ardent

      Best of luck in your pursuit of justice, Scamofscientology! It does sound like you have a shot at getting rid of those swine. More power to you.

    • joan nieman

      Karen’s video was excellent as usual. I have heard several scientologists, on television interviews, state that you can belong to any religion and still be a scientologist. Every thing they utter is a lie.

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      Thank you, scam-of-Scn. I remember reading about this last year on Jonny Jacobsen’s Infinite Complacency blog, and am sad that the inspection lifted the stringent supervision after the 6 months. I truly hope that witnesses will speak out about the abuses and crimes that they saw there.

  • N. Graham

    I think it’s appropriate that $cientology is at the Edinburgh Fringe Festival since they are a fringe religion.

    • Sherbet

      Then we should be there, too, because isn’t Tony’s blog “on the fringe of the Internet”?

      • N. Graham

        You’re right!
        Reading all about the Crazy Clams is what Tony’s blog is about. Getting lots of lulz (redundant?) is a fringe benefit!

  • John P.

    Off topic: Those of you in the SP Shoop Brigade will find some interesting raw material to work with in the ad flyer put up by the South African “Back in Comm” blog in its most recent post. Since I have zero Photoshop skillz, I won’t be able to “enhance” this particular brochure, but I’m sure you will figure out the obvious things to do. Check it out here: http://backincomm.wordpress.com/2014/08/26/charging-ahead-regardless/

    • Panopea Abrupta

      “Charging for the next great civilization on this planet”
      No shoop required – the double-entendre or unintended pun is delicious.
      Having found myself about 15 feet from an oblivious rhino on one occasion, I can categorically state that I would fear $cientology charges more.

      • Jimmy3

        That’s what I was thinking… The rhino is thinking “Scientology? Ugh. Where are the poachers when you need them?”

      • scottishinlondon

        They dropped some words off the poster: “Charging an obscene amount of money for the next Great Civilization…” there, fixed it for them

      • scottishinlondon

        damn, you got there before me! just you were being more subtle so I missed it

        it’s not as poignant an irony as the poster we saw on the bunker offering mentoring for kids in Scientology titled “Tools for Life” but as you say there’s a decent density of irony in there

      • John P.

        I was hoping someone could graft Hubbard’s face onto the rhino and perhaps polish up the text a bit… I just think a lumbering brown blob of a creature is a natural for a genetic cross with ol’ Ron…

        • richelieu jr

          The Rhino’s Cyst is much nicer though…

        • chukicita

          Rhinos are intelligent and can run faster than you, so at first I was not seeing this as a good fit. Then I read that an adult white rhino can produce as much as 50 pounds of dung in a day. OK, then.

      • richelieu jr

        CHAAAAARRRRRRGE IT!

        • Sherbet

          “But we’ll still take cash and checks.”

    • Sid

      I’m sending him all of my credit card numbers. Oh wait, they probably already have them.

    • Aw, the fuckholes censor comments. 🙁

  • Chee Chalker

    Speaking of God….thank God for the Tampa Bay Times and Joe Childs! The best way to put Narconon out of business is by continuing to expose them, as Tony and The Times do. How horrible that they are moving to halfway house business. Someone will spend thousands to get sober at a genuine rehab facility, only to be sent to a Narconon halfway house where drugs and other abuse will run rampant. If they can’t keep drugs out of the rehab facility, what are the chances their halfway houses will be any different.

    • No matter what they call it, and no matter what classification they hide under, Narconon will always be Narconon.

      Stories from the inside of Narconons are timeless: No matter which year or location, the elements will be the same: Bad food, unsanitary conditions, lack of any medical personnel, Purification Rundown, untrained staff recruited from “students” and still with drug issues, drugs and sex for drugs, and so on… Calling it a halfway house will just be a suitable guise for the same old thing.

    • richelieu jr

      Better hooked on heroin the Hubbardism.

      • shasha40

        Isn’t that a damn shame that that’s true ? How many more people have to die before Scamatology is stopped ???

      • Chee Chalker

        Amen….heroin is cheaper too!

  • Still_On_Your_Side

    I think the church thinks it is 1976. These days, Congress has to file reports on the “wining and dining” and gifts congressional offices receive. Sure, there are loopholes for fundraisers, but I doubt any staffer will show up for “good food” after running it by House lawyers. If they show up in their official capacity without pre-approval, they must not like their jobs. Then there are non-congressional, government employees. Let me put it this way, most government employees don’t even accept free cups of coffees from outside concerns unless the event/dinner/breakfast falls within a few well-defined loopholes. Due to the amazing amount of scandals in the past ten or so years, employees generally run event invitations past agency counsel, after calculating the value of the food to be eaten. Of course, employees could show up unofficially and not eat. Why? There is a well known test in D.C., “if you do it, do you want to read about it on the front page of the Washington Post?”

    • Anonymous

      I wish the above was true.

      The very existence of K Street in Washington DC demonstrates that lobbying and other forms of self-interested persuasion are activities that spend BILLIONS of dollars every year in efforts to influence legislation that benefits their sponsors. Is it corrupt to it’s core? Certainly. But this is the way of the world, pleasant or not.

      To not attend the dance means one will never get to dance. Lobbyists are great dancers.

      Thus every significant business and interest group on earth has offices or works through the office of another, in Washington DC (and other places near seats of political power.) K Street and the surrounding neighborhood are world famous for this reason.

      Inviting congressional staffers (while the boss is on recess) to the type of event (above) sponsored by Scientology is a time honored way to makes friends among up and comers, who do most of the actual work in Congress anyway. It is the staffers who research and write bills for their elected bosses. Getting staffers on your side is part and parcel of the job of a lobbyist. That’s why OSA is there too.

      • Still_On_Your_Side

        Anon, the church is not a lobbying group, not legally anyway. You are right about K Street, but the lobbying is highly regulated, and monitored by high priced lawyers every inch of the way. I agree with you about the corruption and excesses, but most of that is covered by thick paper trails of legal memos. A “free” breakfast is covered under the House Gift Rules, staffers must comply with these rules or face job loss and/or criminal prosecution. “Gift” is defined as “. . . a gratuity, favor, discount, entertainment, hospitality, loan, forbearance, or other item having monetary value. [House Rule 25, clause 5(a)(2)(A).]” Every congressional employee is subject to a $50 limit per event, and a $100 TOTAL annual limit. This is strictly enforced. Why would any staffer risk loss of a career over church “hospitality”?
        http://ethics.house.gov/gifts/house-gift-rule

        • Anonymous

          Understood and don’t disagree about what the law says.

          And that has absolutely no bearing whatsoever on what actually happens.

          The law you cite was written by the people to whom it supposedly applies.

          What could possibly go wrong?

          EDIT to add: Just for a moment, think about these people and events from fairly the recent history of scandal in the Executive, Legislative and Judicial branches:
          Executive. This list is EXTREMELY abbreviated and could run pages long.

          Watergate
          Nixon Pardon
          Iran / Contra
          Wedtech
          Operation Ill Wind
          Iran / Contra Pardons
          Spiro Agnew
          Lois Lerner
          Ronald Blackley
          Jack Abramoff
          Sewergate
          Veteran’s Admin Scandal (the recent one)
          MonicaGate
          John Mitchell

          Legislative:

          Lawrence Smith
          Albert Bustamonte
          Wilbur Mills
          Charles Diggs
          Dan Rostenkowski
          Daniel Flood
          Fred Richmond
          Donald Lukens
          Jim Wright
          Joshua Eilberg
          Mario Biaggi
          Abscam
          Wedtech
          House Banking Scandal

          Judicial:

          Alcee Hastings
          Harry Claiborne
          Walter Nixon

          Thank God we have the government to protect us from illegal / unethical lobbyists!

          Is it any wonder why Scientology gets what seems like a virtually free pass given the 60+ year nature of the crime wave it has perpetrated on society?

          • Still_On_Your_Side

            I wish I could disagree, but I can’t.

            • Anonymous

              I wish you could disagree and I could agree with you for disagreeing. Your posts have been informed and educational. I greatly appreciate them.

              The Scientology problem is a microcosm of the human condition.

              My observation is this:

              Most people do NOT object in any meaningful way to actual corruption. Most people object to corruption that is done by people with whom they DISAGREE politically, philosophically or otherwise.

              Thus, in the SF Bay Area, Barry Bonds is an absolute hero and star. In the rest of the U.S. (at least among baseball fans) he is seen as a cheater.

              The above is a simplistic and narrow example and contra-evidence can easily be found.

              However the broad statement seems to stand the test of time:

              People only object to “politics” with which they disagree. If they agree with a “political” maneuver, even if it looks corrupt, they will give it a pass.

              This is a gross generality but seems to fit most human behavior. …Sigh…

            • Peter

              Absolutely correct. That’s why I always smile and shake my head when someone on the blog lambastes some Republican or Repub group. But never the Dems. The corruption on BOTH sides is built into the systems and the pols and big corps and interests would have it no other way.

            • jeff

              I am a Giants fan and I detest Barry Bonds.

            • Anonymous

              As mentioned above, specific examples of individualized contra-evidence do not diminish the validity of the generalized observation.

  • MaxSpaceman

    Terrific video about Deity & $cientology Inc., thanks to Karen de la C. & Jeffrey A.

    God is symbolized – $$$ – in the cherch of $cientology.

  • Anonymous

    Another interesting writeup from Hubbard is titled “The Great Charity Swindle” in which he (purportedly) describes how certain groups set themselves up as fake authorities in a charitable endeavor in order to bring in huge donations from rich people and grants from governments to forward a seemingly benign purpose (like helping people with drug problems.)

    Incredibly, Hubbard’s writeup includes this verbatim quote about such fake charities:

    “These see all the rich people they can and the governments and explain that the lot of the “poor insane” (about whom they don’t give a damn as evidenced by their killing them) is so horrible that millions are needed urgently.The rich people and the deluded governments then lay out fantastic sums of money, millions upon millions each year. The groups’ representatives then take this money and whack it up amongst their pals.”

    This of course is another example of Hubbard “warning” Scientologists about the EXACT THING Scientology would eventually DO TO them.

    The text of the original document is here: http://www.suppressiveperson.org/sp/archives/3051

    This particular Executive Directive from Hubbard was part of the “Information Full Hat” training course used by the Guardian’s Office to train it’s operatives.

    I have commented before that almost all aspects of Scientology, from it’s “crank therapy” to it information control activities to it’s internal and external PR actions and it’s legal tactics, are based EXACTLY along the lines of actions used by intelligence agencies.

    The checksheet for the above Full Hat course to train Guardian’s Office operatives was TWENTY PAGES LONG. That checksheet is just a list of the items to be read and practiced. The actual volume of issues, tapes and books to be studied fills a sizable bookcase.

    The Guardian’s Office is now OSA. The same techniques are still employed.

    The church is now a laughing stock in much of the world so the job is much tougher for OSA than it used to be.

    However bringing awareness to others (especially those in the legal system and politics) who may not be familiar with the techniques employed by Scientology, makes those folks less susceptible to the techniques.

  • BosonStark

    With Scientology getting an increasingly bad reputation as a money-sucking scam and Dianutty lodged at the top of the Worst Seller List, the cult will continue to try to cash in on their front groups, pushing their Way to Happyface etc. while positioning themselves as authorities on drug use, how to think, be and live.

    However, because of cell phone use with Internet, the taint of cult isn’t far away. Google “drug free world” and the second listing is wiki with: Foundation for a Drug-Free World (FDFW) is an anti-drug organization established in 2006 by the Church of Scientology.

    Pre-Internet, Scientology was successful because people sometimes didn’t even know Dianutty was part of Scientology. They just thought it SOUNDED good, having their reactive mind cleared or whatever. Enough people were willing to dump money on something that sounded good, which others were doing. Since Orgs are mostly empty now, Scientology’s only way of generating the bandwagon effect is to get Scientologists to dress up in their various T-shirts or Superman outfits, go out in public and pretend they are a mass movement. I don’t think it is going to work and eventually it may backfire on them, hopefully, as more people go up to them and ask things like, “Are you with that crackpot cult, Scientology?”

    • Sibs

      I’ve never posted this video here before, but this is aaaaaaalways what Scientology reminds me of:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMR-yPA4lsY

      • Missionary Kid

        Have you made your final move? Good to see you here. That is a great video.

        • Sibs

          Yes for the most part. Bleh. I’m back in the part of the South where I grew up. Love seeing everybody again but now that I’ve lived somewhere else the thick conservative bubble is even more apparent than it used to be. It’s like… 1950s over here. Gotta find an outlet before I go craaaazy.

          • Jimmy3

            The 1950’s were like living inside of a Norman Rockwell painting. That’s what Fox News told me.

    • The criminals have many “Foundation for a Drug-Free World” Facebook pages, I see. That’s another cookie-cutter fraudulent advertising push the crooks are engaged in, it looks like.

  • Racnad

    I thought there is a God in Scientology. His name is L. Ron Hubbard. Though they said he was a man not a god, I used to ask myself, what would they do differently if they did consider him a God?
    Question to those who were in during the 1990s or 2000s: Do they still say he deliberately dropped his body so he could continue his research without the encumbrance of a body? If it’s not written, do they still say that in hushed tones in one-on-one conversations as people are leaving after musters?

  • George Layton

    If they turn them into halfway houses there is nothing to keep them from advertising and charging the same way they today. Because the county calls it a halfway house won’t make them change their pretense of being a drug rehab facility and charging the same as now. They will continue to lie about everything.

  • It was my understanding when I was a Scientologist that Cruise and Kidman split up because of her father who is a psychiatrist. That’s what the story among the flock was anyway.

    • Missionary Kid

      According to Wikipedia, “Her father, Antony David Kidman, is a biochemist, clinical psychologist, and author.” He’s not a psychiatrist.

      • Oh no. You mean it was all a lie. Excuse me while I go scream in a pillow to deal with my shock and horror.

        • Missionary Kid

          Yeah, I know, picky, picky, picky, but I’ve found there’s a big difference in psyches. Of course, in clamology, there’s none. 😉

          • I know the difference between psychiatrists and psychologists since I regularly see people who work in both professions. I had no idea what her father really did, nor did I really care. I was just sharing what Scientologists said about that particular break-up.

        • shasha40

          Bahahahaha !!!

  • Mark

    Well put, Karen and Jeff! Though an unreconstructed pagan myself, I can’t help feeling all this setting yourself up in place of God while pretending to be religious, not to mention the Mammon-worship and misusing church buildings, is just a bit foolhardy, especially for the self-appointed “Pope of Scientology” (refresh):

    • Sherbet

      Oh, boy, DM, that being you don’t believe in is seriously PISSED OFF.

      • Mark

        Of course, that may only be an overgrown elemental in the sky, sent as a harbinger of worse to come…

        • Sherbet

          Of course.

          • Mark

            They do get rather big if the weather’s in an odd mood…

    • Panopea Abrupta

      Reminds me of Anal Roberts climbing into his communication tower some years ago and threatening to not come down until the flock contributed a million $$$.
      The tower was struck by lightning that very evening.
      The Archbishop of York famously announced from his pulpit on one Sunday morning that one didn’t have to believe in God to be a member of the Anglican Church.
      York Minster was struck by lightning that very evening and one of England’s finest gothic buildings experienced severe damage to the roof. Firefighters struggled for hours and hours.
      One can only hope LilFiveOne pulls it in too.

      • Mark

        It was the notoriously radical Dr. David Jenkins’s ordination as Bishop of Durham in York Minster three days before the lightning-strike in 1984, that was supposed to have caused the divine wrath. Quite why God’s aim was so bad was never explained 😉

      • Sherbet

        And lightning struck the dome of St. Peter’s on the day Pope Benedict resigned. That obviously is a sign that means…nothing.

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        Ahem.

        Oral Roberts’ “Prayer Tower” was struck by lightning many times, as it was the tallest structure in that part of Tornado Alley. It was not struck by lightning while the dear reverend was in residence. Even if it had been, it wouldn’t have made any difference, as the building was well grounded (unlike Oral…).

    • Karen de la Carriere

      Mark
      Well spoken.
      Note how they call that grotesque endocrine sniffing, oil tasting, over-the-top Super “Power” building a “Cathedral”
      Cathedral !
      Religious cloaking.

      • Mark

        Thank-you, Karen. If they had a shred of honesty they’d call FLAG what it is—the world’s most expensive quack hydro without a swimming-pool.

        (What puzzles me about that disused church is why, given that it appears to have a perfectly serviceable belfry, its former tenants chose to fix a bell onto the front of the porch).

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      The pagan gods are scarier.

      And no shoopin’ required.

      (refresh)

  • Sunny

    “The article also blamed Scientology for the breakup of Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman. Readers of this blog know that Scientology has been responsible for the breakup of innumerable couples and families, but the Cruise-Kidman matchup was, as far as we know, one that split up for other reasons. ”
    This is not accurate. I guess that is all I should say.

    • Tony Ortega

      I have sources who were in their household. They didn’t break up over Scientology, whatever the tabs said at the time.

      • Sunny

        I was in the Sea Org at the time and did not read tabs. In fact I did not really know who most of the celebrities were that I had met back then.
        I know there were some heavy pressure on her on some things. I don’t know what happened in her household, I know what happened inside CCI.
        My comment was deleted by me.

        • Tony Ortega

          Nicole definitely turned away from Scientology, if that’s what you’re referring to. And she took Tom with her. And as Rathbun has said, Miscavige did his best (through Tommy Davis) to turn her kids against her. But that’s not why Tom and Nicole split up. The reason is much more personal and has nothing to do with Scientology.

  • Sam Domingo

    Actually I think the cult had a big hand in the Cruise/Kidman split up too. Just may own personal opinion based on the preparations I saw at Flag to rally Tom’s family together months before the news about the split was released – I was friends with his sisters who talked. I’ve no doubt based on my personal observation that the cult was at least pulling family strings at the time.

    • Bob

      Yes very much so. It was necessary to get him(Tom) away from Kidman who was skeptical of Bustupotology.

    • ze moo

      Using my googlefu and looking at all crap that the tabloids have published, I have come to the conclusion (unbiased by an real knowledge) that TC thought that Nichole had an affair and got pregnant. Kidman later miscarried. Also, their marriage was very near the 10 year mark and divorces after 10 years are much more expensive in California. It may have simply been the prospect of a much larger potential divorce payout or some thing more personal. The only thing I cared about is the ‘third party’ work on the kids.

      TC’s ‘re-found’ commitment to the clampire didn’t work out so well did it? TC alone is responsible for more sales of Guy Fawkes masks then the movie. I wonder what his ‘steps A through E’ entailed?

    • joan nieman

      The karma all came back to him when Katie left. Full blown.

    • richelieu jr

      I’ve heard more than one story of Cruise taking Kidman by the hand and saying ‘We’re Scientologists’ and Kidman looking art him furiously, like ‘Speak for yourself, asshole!’

    • villagedianne

      Well we will never know. But from what ex’es have said, the cult waited for a crack in their relationship, and then exploited it.

  • Panopea Abrupta

    El Wretch, the Turd of Tilden is the closest $cientology comes to a deity.
    I consider him their hemisemidemigod.

    In Roman times a demigod was a lesser god. In music, an 8th note is
    known as a quaver. A hemisemidemiquaver is a 64th note. It stands to
    reason that a hemisemidemigod isn’t really a god after all. It seems
    possible that a hemisemidemigod might just fall below the standard of
    human.

    • Missionary Kid

      I’m laughing and shaking my head in wonder at your shaggy dog approach to LRH. Good one.

      I don’t know what to do with it.

  • Bob

    Interesting note regarding Karens dissertation on a clam not being able to practice another religion once you are officially a Sciebot.
    The Nation Of Islam took Dianetics as a useful tool but notice they are clear that they have not changed religion.
    Moose-scumvige was touting the NOI getting 1000 of its members training as Dianetic auditors. I have not heard a peep about them lately. Farrakhan is smart enough to get what he wanted and walk away. Also I think he is one of the few people to get a DEAL to get his people trained. Like for free or some small discount fee.
    Hypocritology could also be called Prostitutology. They will do anything they think will get them more money, good press or members. Lying becomes the art of fooling yourself so you can lie convincingly.

    The Tiny Tyrannical Tot is the Captain of a ship of fools and the original author of the treasure map he is following is none other than Long Ron Hubbsurd the one legged pirate. Also when Hubbsurd lost his leg he lost one side of his brain. The analytical side that deals in logic. That’s why he carried the parrot Davey Muckraker on his right shoulder. He always needed advice cause he could no longer think straight.

    • Missionary Kid

      Tiny Tyrannical Captain of a ship of fools are new DM nicknames, which I’ve put on the list, which will be posted soon. I’ve had just about all of the DM mentions go to “moderation.” I’ve got a new strategy.

      • Bob

        The cherch must be monitoring you and complaining.

        • Missionary Kid

          It’s interesting that at first, the only lists attacked were for DM and Things said about DM, then they left the second one alone, and when I split the list into several parts, they only attacked one of them at first, then another later, but left one alone.

          I think it’s only one person who’s getting the list sent ot moderation. Tony isn’t responsible for it. I’ve added Davey Mickraker to the list.

          • Bob

            Keep it up. It is part of the history of the downfall of Cult.

            • Missionary Kid

              Thanks. I think it’s more of a footnote, but one that may be interesting.

            • Bob

              I think so. Valuable in many ways. Including keeper of the humor.

      • Bob

        How about Davey Mickraker too.

  • ze moo

    Downgrading NarCONons to halfway house status will only cut them off from some insurance money. the biggest change will be for the referal website operators. Now they will have to find new providers for the detox and initial treatment. Providers who will pay 10% for the privilege of referral. A few loyal clams will now have to hit the bricks to find that new provider base. Getting the family to pay 30k for a halfway house is not going to fly.

    The federal government provides some funds to halfway houses, but the regs can be a pain. I do expect Suncoast and other rebranded NarCONons to try that route. Third party health insurance can pay for ‘peer counseling’, but that money is a drop in the bucket compared to real rehab insurance money. The end result will be a significantly smaller customer base with the family and ‘student’ paying the full bill. That doesn’t include any credit card fraud, that practice will probably get more importance in the revenue stream and more scrutiny by the legal system. Credit card fraud will become very dangerous.

    Compare the NarCONon halfway house to the model for such care, the Salvation Army. The SA ( the ‘sally’ to its devotees) uses peers, but only in supervising or monitoring of residents. Treatment is provided by licensed therapists (usually certified drug and alcohol counselors) and other community based programs. I have been told that the ‘success rate’ after a residential program at the sally is about 50%. That is not bad in the rehab world. I think we can kiss the ‘76% success rate’ claims goodbye.

    I just don’t see the business model as a halfway house succeeding for NarCONon, there isn’t enough money in that segment to keep the doors open. It would take a large stake from state and the federal government to fund such an operation, and they just can’t compete with the sally or other established operations. The sally has credibility, NarCONon has only the wit and wisdom of Lroon to run on. That is not a real competition. Rename and rebrand all you want, the first time an inspector sees a sauna and the vitamin station, the jig is up.

    I believe this turd has been flushed, just the smell remains.

    • richelieu jr

      Yes,but they will be able to keep up the bigger value to them– They can still pretend to be altruistic saints getting poor sods off of drugs…

      • ze moo

        The Salvation Army and NarCONon are after entirely different markets. NarCONon wants money by hook or crook, and the SA takes people with no money. Altruism is naughty word in the $cieno land, out exchange and all that and so forth…….In the end that is just another dichotomy that causes WTF moments.

        With all the NarCONon bad news, why keep it afloat? I agree with your assessment of claiming a ‘social betterment’ angle, but what do they do when it falls flat on its face? All the clams in that cash flow now need another scam. What will it be??? Criminion? Applied Scholastics? The clampire has opportunities for those with no morals. Which scam will be next? There aren’t enough Dentists or Chiropractors to keep all the clams in IAS statuses.

        Maybe Creflo Dollar needs some ‘marketeers’??

      • Missionary Kid

        In comparison to rehab, there’s little money in half-way houses, and the regulations, which depend on the state they’re in, can still be pretty restricting.

        People who are desperate for help aren’t looking for a half-way house, they’re looking for rehab. Of course, NarCONon will like like hell in order to get a body in. They told people that there was medical staff, when there wasn’t. They said it wasn’t religious based, when the facilities were simply $cientology recruiting facilities that the “student” was paying for.

        • richelieu jr

          Of course. They’ll lose a lot of cash, but courts order people into halfway houses,and they can say they re ‘government approved’ and try and keep up their same old scam…

          • Missionary Kid

            I’m willing to bet that if we raise enough stink, $cientology won’t even be able to be court appointed as a destination for a person with a drug dependency. I would believe that a judge would want to vet any facility he/she is going to use.

  • eloise

    OT (again, sorry) but if you haven’t listened to This American Life Episode 532 Act One, DO http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/532/magic-words

    • richelieu jr

      What is it , exactly?

      • eloise

        oh sorry. i thought the summary would show up with the link. Summary below. there is a funny bit about how this book has similarities to a “Book that rhymes with Diuretics”

        When Jonathan Goldstein was a kid, his father gave him a book that promised to teach you how to shoot mental laser beams, win the lottery, move solid objects with your mind, make others obey your command – all through the use of mental power and magic words. This week, he revisits the book to try to unlock the secrets within. And we have other stories where people recite words that have the power to change their lives, with no magic or mumbo jumbo at all.

        • richelieu jr

          Wow! Sounds great, thanks!

        • Eivol Ekdal

          screengrab from “Repo Man”…

  • Amusingly, Suncoat On facebook makes no mention of any of its criminal activities. Strange.

    Actually these criminals Have Many Facebook Pages associated with this scam.

    • Sherbet

      And they give healthful eating hints:

      “Good Morning Looking for a healthy breakfast with a touch of chocolate try : Plain Doughnut With Chocolate Milk. A plain cake-style doughnut is usually a better choice than a bakery muffin. At Dunkin’ Donuts, for instance, an old-fashioned doughnut has 280 calories, while a corn muffin has 510 calories. Add fiber by eating ¼ cup of almonds or dried fruit. Instead of coffee, try 8 ounces of low-fat chocolate milk.”

      “Healthy breakfast,” huh…

      • Thank you, L. Ron Hubbard! Such amazing scientific insights which only LRH could have discovered (and he did.)

        • Sherbet

          When I eat a donut and chocolate milk, I chide myself for eating an UNhealthy breakfast. Suncoast’s dietician (hah! As if) is congratulating herself on the dried fruit and low-fat milk suggestion, as if it will cancel out the rest of the fat in the meal. The only thing missing from this “wholesome” breakfast is a brimming cup of warm lard.

          • Got to wonder what credentials these Scientology experts have. “I ran around a flag pole for 9 hours and saw Xenu!” is about the best training they have.

            • Sherbet

              Anecdotal evidence is the best they can muster. If lrh said he experienced it, then that’s good enough for the entire church.

          • ze moo

            Look at the menu at a Salvation Army residence. The meals are often high calorie and high fat. The residents were usually homeless for some time and are often very under weight. Such a diet is good for them, not for the general public.

            • Sherbet

              OK, I understand, ze moo, but I don’t think the SA would pretend a donut is healthy. It’s filling, it’s fatty, it’s full of needed carbs, but health food, it isn’t.

            • ze moo

              True, but those badly underweight ( I have no personal knowledge of such a state) such a diet is ok, if not taken to extremes. I actually find the Narc donut and choc (lowfat) milk much better then Lroons baby formula. That one really pisses me off. And the vitamin overdosing….and the constant demands for money….awwww now I have go work on my Lron punching bag.

            • Sherbet

              Punch it once for me, OK?

            • joan nieman

              Upper cut to the left jaw. Pow!

            • richelieu jr
      • richelieu jr
        • Sherbet

          And a cigarette.

  • Panopea Abrupta

    Red-X Red-X Red-X

    Lying about drugs,
    Lying like rugs,
    Acting like thugs.
    We are no mugs.

    Take ’em down here:
    http://whyweprotest.net/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-111#post-2480235
    Scroll down for additions and Tampa trying to sneak under the radar.
    ty Mark

  • dagobarbz

    Florida should keep an eye on any apartment complexes proximate to their Narconon facility. Remember what happened in Georgia…

    • And in Huntington Beach and in Newport Beach, the insane crooks were cramming customers in like sardines — and only charging them a few thousand dollars at the time.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist
      • dagobarbz

        Now needed, which apartment buildings are owned by the cult, a front, or an individual Scilon? That would most likely be the drone you’re looking for.

        • Sid

          Try Pierre Cournoyer. I believe he’s the one who owned the apartment near the Clearwater Narconon.

    • Sunny Sands

      There are several apartment complexes near the Sunset Point Rd. Narconon.

  • Sid

    If a ‘Shore Story’ is the lie they tell the public about,, well everything, then I wonder what they call it when they lie to the staff?

    • MaxSpaceman

      Policy

    • ze moo

      Standard Operating Procedure.

    • lucille austero

      $cientology 🙂

    • pluvo

      It’s “Command Intention”:
      It’s “a COB order”.
      It’s “per LRH”

    • Sid

      These are all great answers. I guess execs can pretty much say anything they want as staff aren’t allowed to question anyway.

    • richelieu jr

      Simpme Sid, it’s called ‘Business as usual’, ‘SNAFU’

  • What are the criminal and civil consequences of these insane crooks housing customers in unregulated, unlicensed residential houses? Another slap on the wrist?

    Seems even when these Scientology criminals kill people they walk away without prison sentences.

  • nottrue

    On the street with SFAon……….http://youtu.be/Tu9DH8SLFSI

    • aquaclara

      What a great protest in SF! You all rock, especially Mini-Anon, of course.
      Thanks for sharing the link.

    • Baby

      Losing a twin through death is one thing.. Losing a twin through this Bull Shit really really angers me. I am shaking. Twins have a bond that should NEVER be broken. I am outraged.

      I am outraged by all disconnections. This I can relate to.

      EDIT.. Meow man is just the cutest… Thanks big guy!

    • Baby

      If the disconnected twin wants to talk to another twin..Just have her contact me here..and I will give an e mail. thanks..

      It’s a Twin thing..

  • dagobarbz

    One of the tactics employed by Narconon to isolate its victims will be useless with a ‘halfway house’ model. You cannot ship someone half way across the country to remove them from friends and family if they have no place to stay once they get there.

    Isolation is a big part of their “success” in keeping Narconon working. Mom and Dad can’t exactly come riding to the rescue when their loved one has been sent from New York to California for “rehab.”

    This could be interesting.

  • Science Doc

    I can’t imagine Warner Springs operating as a halfway house. The place is halfway between Temecula and the Anza Borrego desert. There is no place nearby for people to stay, work or do anyhthing.

    • 3feetback-of-COS

      its halfway up the Bridge to No Where.

    • richelieu jr

      Halfway between ‘you’ve got a problem(and ‘You’re fucked and also poor now’.

    • ze moo

      Thirty miles of desert will hide a lot of criminal actions and make it almost impossible to escape.

  • Well I am back from outer space fighting hords of Marcabian, mistook a girl for one of my messenger girls yesterday. Luckily this Ethernet thing has all kinds of Write-Up and so on and so fort:
    http://markrathbun.wordpress.com/2010/06/30/lrh-trained-class-xii-cs-karen-de-la-carrierejentzsch/

    Flagship Apollo

    In the early 70’s I traveled to the Flag Ship Apollo as a public. I
    took just one suitcase, for a planned 10 day stay. I had trained up
    through Class VIII at Saint Hill in the UK and decided to celebrate my
    graduation with a Mediterranean Cruise and some auditing. And I also
    really did want to meet LRH.

    A ship is a tight knit group and everyone gets to know the comings
    and goings. I had barely been aboard 3- 4 days when one of the first
    LRH Watch Messengers (someone who was with LRH for 8 hours a day), Janis
    Gillham, found me in the bowels of the ship. She had a message from the
    Commodore. I looked up at her startled that she knew my name. Her
    message was: “The Commodore asked if you have finished your auditing,
    and if so, would you like to join the Sea Organization?” I was silent
    for a moment. I felt a rush of excitement. My life was about to change
    in one second. I told Janis to tell the Commodore I would be honored to
    join his team. About 20 minutes later I met LRH on the Promenade Deck
    and received his congratulations. Janis told me later she knew of no
    other person who was invited to join the Sea Org personally by LRH.
    And boy, I sure have some rare LRH stories to tell. I must tell them on this blog.

  • Lori Hodgson

    Hi Bunker friends this is a little off topic, but I wanted to share with y’all this message I posted for my son, Jeremy today:On this day, August 26, 2014, I am asking all my family and friends, who would like to participate, to join me in sending positive energy to my son, Jeremy. I feel now is the time Jeremy needs all the help and support we can give him. I will choose another day for my daughter.

    First, I would like to share this Poem that a good friend sent to me. I thought about my son when I was reading it:

    “The Road Not Taken”
    BY ROBERT FROST

    Two roads diverged in a yellow wood,
    And sorry I could not travel both
    And be one traveler, long I stood
    And looked down one as far as I could
    To where it bent in the undergrowth;

    Then took the other, as just as fair,
    And having perhaps the better claim,
    Because it was grassy and wanted wear;
    Though as for that the passing there
    Had worn them really about the same,

    And both that morning equally lay
    In leaves no step had trodden black.
    Oh, I kept the first for another day!
    Yet knowing how way leads on to way,
    I doubted if I should ever come back.

    I shall be telling this with a sigh
    Somewhere ages and ages hence:
    Two roads diverged in a wood, and I—
    I took the one less traveled by,
    And that has made all the difference.

    Please pray, visualize, have positive energy, or whatever is comfortable for you this message to my son:

    “Jeremy, when you are struggling with this disconnection choice, really look WITH YOUR OWN EYES at both sides so you are able to see who your TRUE family and friends really are that care about YOU!!! We’re right here and we have no hidden agenda, just pure love!!!”

    • Sherbet

      I’ve done what you ask, and am praying for you as well.

      • Lori Hodgson

        Thank you, Sherbet! ❤️

    • joan nieman

      My heart is with you so earnestly Lori, as a mother, I feel that love so strongly. Jeremy please open your eyes and your heart. You don’t belong there. Nobody belongs there. Go home to where love and true happiness are waiting for you.

      • Lori Hodgson

        Thank you, Joan! Hugs to you. ❤️

    • richelieu jr

      I’ll keep him in my thoughts, and I offer up this lovely group of photos on beautiful paths in his honour (do check it out, it is breathtaking!):

      http://www.boredpanda.com/path-photography/

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        Incredibly beautiful.

      • Lori Hodgson

        Thank you, richelieu jr! All the paths are beautiful! I hope my son can enjoy seeing them too! ❤️

      • Baby

        rich.. OMG I just took a beautiful stroll down all paths. Wow.. absolutely breathtaking is right..Thank you.

        I saved it just so I will have my own private paths to follow when I need solace and serenity. Thank you..

      • i-Betty

        The are breathtaking. So much beauty in the world, and out here we’re free to live it and breathe it. Thank you, Cardinal.

    • Eivol Ekdal

      I am turned up to 11…

      • Lori Hodgson

        Thank you, Eivol! ❤️

    • Sid

      I feel for you in this. They just recently forced the disconnection of our kids, as well as other family and friends. We just need to keep working to expose their crimes and misdeeds, of which they have many. With all of the chipping away from the outside by lawsuits, investigations, and press exposure they are being worn down. But also they are eating themselves from the inside. They are suffering ‘Death by Facebook’. The number of people I’ve seen hit by OSA just from a nebulous Facebook connection is increasing. Scientology runs about 2 degrees of separation (suck it Kevin Bacon) so this is increasing all the time. Even if you aren’t speaking to that person if they are on your Facebook friends list you are in trouble. Scientology can’t stand the idea or even the remote chance that someone might be critical of them. And that criticism now comes from pretty much 99.9999% of everyone who’s heard of it. Eaten from the outside, eaten from the inside. Something’s gotta give.

      • aquaclara

        I’m sorry for your kids, Sid. I hope things give soon. For you, for Lori, and for everyone with kids they can’t speak to or see. I hope and pray that that day is right now.

        • Lori Hodgson

          Thank you, aquaclara! ❤️

        • Sid

          Thanks aquaclara. I appreciate the support. I can’t imagine how Lori has done it so long. The silence is deafening.

      • Lori Hodgson

        Sid, I’m so sorry about your kids and family! I pray this disconnection will be over for all of us very soon and we will have our loved ones back in our arms. ❤️

        • Sid

          Thanks Lori. It’s why I started posting here. I was pretty much quiet right up until they took the kids.

          • pronoia

            {{{{{{{sid & Lori}}}}}} From a mother to both of you. I know the beautiful and joyful day will come when this horrific group will no longer be able to use children as hostages.

            • Lori Hodgson

              So ready for that day!!! Thank you for the positive thoughts! ❤️

      • Free Minds, Free Hearts

        Sid I am so so sorry about your kids and other family and friends. My longtime SO family member disconnected from me several years back – and since has reconnected, but I and everyone else in my family is always on eggshells fearing another disconnection.

      • Baby

        Sid I am so sorry.. If you look above you will see a basket of flowers that I sent to you and Lori.. I get so angy and sad when I hear disconnection stories… Just sickening. Thinking and praying for your family.

        • Sid

          Thank you Baby. I didn’t mean to make this one about me. I was mainly responding and offering support to Lori for her comment. We have a few family not in, but a whole bunch still in. The silence of disconnection is pretty intense. Mostly it’s the kids though. All else we can deal with. I appreciate your comment and flowers. You have a good heart.

          • Baby

            Oh I know Sid.. I read Lori’s first and then I read yours.. Both were equal …. The pain that you both must be suffering is immeasurable. As a mother myself I can’t imagine.

            I would never ever tell you or anyone, ” I know how you feel,” because I don’t. Shit..I wish I could fix it.. sigh.. but of course I can’t. But I can pray. And send all positive energy your way..

            Don’t be afraid to have days that you want to give into pain. Have a good cry, scream.. whatever you need to do. Thinking of you.

            Good Heart? awwwww .. Some days are better than others.. xo love baby

      • i-Betty

        My love and thoughts are with you and your family, Sid. Another family to add to the tally of broken hearts. I’m so sorry you are having to endure this. x

        • Sid

          Thank you Betty. I know in the end we will prevail. In the meantime we do what we can to expose their crimes and cruelties.

    • Fantastic choice of poem and lovely encouraging message — I support you wholeheartedly! Thank you for including us in your life <3

      • Lori Hodgson

        Thank you, Nat-lificent!

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      Lori, I am sending positive thoughts. I love the poem and the picture. My heart is with you, and my tears.

      • Lori Hodgson

        Thank you so very much! ❤️

    • Panopea Abrupta

      Lori, here is another beautiful path.
      May you walk it with your son one day.

      • Lori Hodgson

        Thank you! Very beautiful! Can’t wait to walk it with my son. ❤️

    • Verve

      At Lori and Sid-
      I and my Monkey Horde will use all our powers to help you both and all your kids. (OK, my Monkey Horde is mostly inanimate, but I do have some fierce will.) Best of all (and luck?) to you(s).

      • Lori Hodgson

        Verve, thank you! ❤️

        • Verve

          No, Lori, thank you for being brave and sharing with us. It resolves us to help in any way we can, large or small. One day, I believe you’ll be able to have that picture (your avatar) again, if a bit older. 🙂

    • ParticleMom

      Sending more positive thoughts to you and your son.

      This picture of my son on a snowy path always makes me smile. He knows your story and dreams of a day when all the parents and children are reunited.

      • Lori Hodgson

        Awe! Love the pic! Thank you for sharing! Thank you to both of you!

    • Sejanus

      My grandmother used to recite this to me all the time.

      • Lori Hodgson

        Awesome!!!

    • Baby

      OH sweetheart.. Yes I will pray.. I have prayed for Jeremy .. I will send my Guardian Angel to protect him during his struggle. I don’t need him at the moment.

      I took this beautiful picture of my flower basket outside my window when I lived in Michigan. So I will send you a basket of flowers today.. Now when they wither than there is no hope. But looks like they are doing fabulous right now.. Thinking of you. I am sorry.. ; / Love baby refresh

      • Lori Hodgson

        Thank you, Baby! ❤️

        • Baby

          ❤️ You are welcome darlin.. sigh

    • i-Betty

      Jeremy, your mum adores you so much. She will never, ever give up on you, and when you’re ready to come back to her she will be there with arms held wide – and your favourite meal in the oven. There are so many people out here who care about you and you may never know our names, but if positive energy works you should be feeling an avalanche of support and love today. x

      • Lori Hodgson

        Awe! You made my Labor Day, i-Betty! Thanks for the positive Energy for me and my son!! Hugs to you! ❤️

    • Pepper

      Lori,

      I just read this and wanted you to know that I’m sending positive thoughts to your son today. I sincerely hope that you will be reunited soon. My thoughts are with you too.

      • Lori Hodgson

        Thanks Pepper, I really appreciate the positive thoughts! ❤️

  • Techie

    Karen brings up an excellent point. Of course, to the atheists it is a distinction without a difference. It is just as foolish to believe that you are God as to believe that God is God if there is no God in the first place. The ultimate solipsism is enshrined as religious practice in Scientology. On the old Bridge the top was “at cause over matter energy space time and life” in other words YOU DE MAN, BOSS!”. Now it is just “Truth Revealed” which could be what you get when you finally figure out where you left your car keys. That is the highest level released so far, and since the other levels are lost or incomprehensible it is all there will ever be. I am a little underwhelmed. Of course, when I was in it was all a big mystery. I had heard on a tape somewhere that you could be a good Christian and a good Scientologist at the same time. I spent a lot of time puzzling over how that could be, and finally came up with the idea that the Christians just didn’t get Axiom 29, which basically says you have to assign cause to another to get your “postulates to stick”. The concept is a little obscure and there is no reason to learn about it if you don’t know what I’m talking about. Basically, believers in any god other than the holy me-myself-and-I are just mistaking their own theta super powers for God’s. When I got out my sister challenged me to show her where in the Bible it said anything to back up Scientology. Just to humor her at first I spent years studying obscure commentaries on the origins of the Bible. The more I studied the more obvious it became that there is a very fundamental and unavoidable conflict between Scientology and traditional religious thought. Though there is a vague concept of the “Eternal” or “Unlimited” at the Eighth Dynamic, the idea is more like a collective consciousness than a true deity. The early Christian church father Origen talks about the unique creation of the spirit at the beginning of time, not at conception, but this is not the same as “past lives”. None of this is in the Bible. The true defining distinction that completely places Scientology outside the true definition of religion is the denial of the role of deity. A Christian always thanks God when he finds his impossible parking spot, the Scientologist always thanks himself. With a nod to Ron for showing him how to postulate effectively. For himself.

    • richelieu jr

      Thank you for this.

      The place where Scientology trips up with respect to the major Western religions is in the basic idea of ‘Caritas’, roughly translated as Charity? Where for Jew, Christians and Muslims it is a duty and an honour, in Scientology it is out-exchange, because nothing, but nothing Hubbard ever did would be considered acceptable by any established religion. TH entire ‘pay-as-you-go’ concept is anathema from the start…

      And, I must say– The only place I had ever heard ‘You have to pay so you appreciate it’s importance’ before Scilontology was from a Psychologist. Just another idea he stole.

      • Techie

        Charity, compassion, love, brotherly love, all translations for the Greek word “agape”. In 1 Corinthians 13:13 “But now abideth faith, hope, love, these three; and the greatest of these is love.” Our Scientology friends could use a little more love and a lot more charity, if they had it they couldn’t do the strange cruel things they do. And the world would be a better place.

    • Karen de la Carriere

      Techie,
      Great post
      sol·ip·sism
      noun
      the view or theory that the self is all that can be known to exist.
      Please be in touch with me Karendelac@gmail.com

    • Peter

      One cannot prove there is a God. One cannot prove there is NO God. You pays your money and takes your choice. 🙂

      • Techie

        Of course you can always go for Pascal’s Wager, if there is no God but you believe you lose nothing but a little charity here and there, but if you disbelieve and there turns out to be a vengeful God after all you could end up in a lake of fire for all eternity. Somehow I don’t think the real situation is quite that simple, but as you say it is a personal choice.

        • Pascal’s Wager assumes there is only one deity construct where in fact there are hundreds of millions of them. To win his “wager” you have to believe in all of them, and not just pretend to believe since presumably all the hundreds of millions of gods and goddesses dimwits have created will know if you’re faking. 🙂

          • Techie

            Reminds me of the Deteriorata:

            Therefore, make peace with your god,

            Whatever you perceive him to be – hairy thunderer, or cosmic muffin.

            With all its hopes, dreams, promises, and urban renewal,

            The world continues to deteriorate.

            Give up!

            (parody of the original)

            Therefore, be at peace with God, whatever you conceive him to be.

            And whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life,

            Keep peace with your soul.

            With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world.

            Be careful. Strive to be happy.

          • kemist

            But even then you cannot win.

            Some gods are the pretty jealous kind. They get really, really pissed off if you worship other gods. If you worship all of them and one of them is real and jealous, you’ve just won a place in its hell.

            BTW, pretty much all monotheist religions have very jealous gods.

        • Peter

          I’m not into any religion, though I was brought up going to many differing churches. (We moved a lot.) None of them really “took” in any significant way. Now I am much more into spirituality, a very different kettle. I look around me and see wonders, things I cannot explain and have come to the conclusion that “some” intelligence had a hand in forming the universe. I don’t give it a name or assume anything about its motivations. But there has to be *something* which served as a source of what we are. That seems, to me, at least a rational assumption. Otherwise, it’s just a gigantic crap shoot which somehow formed all this order. I’m still looking and thinking about it. I don’t expect to solve it. 🙂

        • kemist

          Pascal’s Wager, in addition to assuming only one god, also assumes that fake belief / empty ritual is equivalent to sincere belief and actual worship in the eyes of said god. I think this cheapens god a lot.

          I (or anyone else) do not choose not to believe. It just is. If I say that I believe and practice the same rituals as believers, that is a lie. A lie I use to suck up to an hypothetical omniscient being as an after-life insurance. And if this works, it means that this being likes lying suck-ups and rewards them. I don’t know, but I don’t think such a being is worthy of worship.

          If god exists, it has made me a skeptic and an atheist.

  • Science Doc

    Engram of the day

    So, I’ll reveal one of many painful childhood memories that have been with me for a very long time. Maybe I’ll feel better – I’m sure I’ve never told the story. I’ll justify this being on topic by asking very sincerely, what would an auditor tell me about this memory?

    One day during the Eisenhower administration, I was on the streets of Richmond Virginia with my father and grandfather. I was five. I lived 100 miles away, and this was probably my first memory from a downtown urban setting. I had recently taught myself to read using comic books and a set of McGuffey’s Eclectic Readers. I saw a billboard for a local hospital. A few minutes later we came upon an elderly man in a suit wearing dark glasses and holding a tin cup of pencils that he was selling. He spoke out that he was blind and needed help. It was the first time in my life I had encountered a disabled and destitute individual on the street, and I was crushed. I tried to get my dad to take him to the hospital we had just seen the sign for, naively believing that hospitals provided care and sanctuary to all of those with medically related needs. My father and grandfather swept me away from the gentleman.

    Last week in downtown LA I repeatedly ignored the beggars at the freeway exits demanding change from those caught waiting for the light to change. But on that day in Richmond in the 1950s, my heart was wide open to the plight of that elderly man. My childish impulses were wrong. I might have bought one of his pencils, but it also likely that I had no coins. This has bothered me all of my life.

    Sounds like an engram. Auditors, have at it, or do I just transfer the charge to my iPad?

    • Science Doc

      Edit: my impulses were wrong to take him to the hospital. My impulse to help him was spot on.

    • Sunny Sands

      I’m afraid I don’t donate to anyone collecting in traffic and at red lights, even firemen with their boots for MDA. I feel it encourages a dangerous situation for all involved.

      Fifty or 60 years ago, there were not the many social programs to help people like there are today. Yet today, a lot of people have fallen through the cracks and don’t qualify, either. There’s no right or wrong, but it’s a good question.

    • Sid

      Auditor, “What overt have you committed against a homeless person?”

      Science Doc, “Fuck off.”

      Auditor, “Do you have an earlier overt against a homeless person?”

      Science Dod, “Fuck off.”

      Auditor, “What have you done wrong that I don’t know about?”

      Note: All auditing ultimately is based on the fact that you have done something wrong. There is no compassion.

    • Peter

      In “Standard Tech”, the auditor does not comment on what you say. You don’t get “told” anything. Your memory is your memory and you get from it what you get.

    • Missionary Kid

      Warning: What follows is a rant, and it has to do with beggars and what I’ve seen and learned. Yes, your post stimulated memories and the things that I’ve learned in the over sixty years since I saw my first beggars as a small child.

      My experience in mainland China as a small child in the pre-revolutionary period was seeing beggars on the streets. In comparison, they made the present day people begging by the freeways look like olympic athletes in peak condition.

      In order to gain sympathy, they would often make their maladies and sores look worse. It was definitely a hard life. My parents were there to do missionary work. My mother did nursing & midwifing, and my father, while he preached, also did a lot of relief work. For example, I know that he went into opium dens to try to help family members who were addicted to their pipe dreams.

      They helped to start a hospital that I have heard continued operation under the communists, but the Chinese Christian doctors and medical staff fled to save their lives.

      My parents income was far below the average American, but to the poor Chinese, they were rich. Kidnapping of myself and my sisters for ransom was a real threat. Somehow, at a very young age, I learned from my parents that one has to help those who they can. Everyone can’t be helped, but the effort could and should be made.

      When the communists took over, they redistributed the wealth. Begging and prostitution were eliminated. The death rate was cut by 1%, which quickly led to a huge jump in population. Everyone had enough to eat — at first.

      Then, over time, after he had consolidated his power, Chairman Mao instituted his “reforms” like the Great Leap Forward, and other plans to drag China into the modern world. As a result of his rule and the communist theory, 58 million Chinese died of starvation. Mao is responsible for more deaths than any other single person: Stalin, Hitler, and Pol Pot included.

      Mao was able to do that because he controlled all of the information that the Chinese people had. I believe that the thought-stopping techniques he used are similar to those used in $cientology, but Mao had the force of law and the Communist Party behind him. He had a cult of personality, just like LRH had, and David Miscavige has tried to develop.

      On the other hand, I have no love for Chaing Kai-Shek, the Nationalist leader, who opposed the communists, and his wife, Madame Chaing. During the civil war, he went into one provence and killed over half a million people, who he deemed communists. When he fled to Formosa (Taiwan) after losing the civil war, he took huge stocks of gold and cultural treasures from the mainland, often instead of people who had real reason to fear for their lives from the communists. His wife, who was American educated, was the face of Chinese PR, particularly during WWII. She was from the Soong clan, incredibly wealthy, and they were the Bank of China, but she played on American sympathy for the poor Chinese to raise money for China.

      We supported Chaing, because he styled himself as an anti-communist. Unfortunately, his administration was so corrupt that it made it easy for the communists to take over.

      Most of what I have written is composted of things that I learned subsequent to my viewing beggars in the streets of China as a small child. I appreciate my parents’ efforts to make the life of the Chinese better. It pains me to realize that there was a measure of cultural imperialism involved by my parents, but it was not the extent depicted in the novel, Hawaii. When a missionary group is peddling their beliefs in a nation where they are a tiny minority, they are much more circumspect about how they act and challenge local customs.

      What I did learn from my parents was to be kind to those who need it.

      Unfortunately, the people who you see at freeway off-ramps often treat it like a business, and it is to many of them. They have power struggles over who gets what corner because of the income it generated.

      I’ve seen cars dropping off the panhandlers in the morning and picking them up in the late afternoon or rotating their positions mid-day. I’ve seen a woman who wrapped her leg to exaggerate a claimed injury. Somehow, a couple of weeks later, she had a different problem to exhibit, and the group she was with was rotated between off ramps.

      If someone needs food, I’ll occasionally buy them food. i don’t give them money. I’ve also offered work to people with signs that say, “Will work for food.” They were making far more money holding a sign than they would working, so for many of them, the question is, Why work?

      In any case, $cientology is never the solution.

  • Sunny Sands

    Suncoast Rehabilitation Center is part of the Narconon network referenced in today’s TB Times article. Looks like their fictitious name is expired with the State of Florida. (refresh)

    • Quick! A wog needs to register the name! 🙂

      • KingofSweden

        Sadly, some Sea Organism is probably going to beat you to it now… since it seems Donkey Mi-Me (or one of his mini-minions) reads this blog religiously. (Which ironically might be the only thing religious about him.)

        • Missionary Kid

          I’ve added Donkey Mi-Me to the list of DM nicknames. They’ve been under attack, so I’ll post them later.

          • KingofSweden

            oops it was supposed to be Donkey Mini-Me (not Mi-Me)

            • Missionary Kid

              I’ll change it. Thanks. I didn’t understand it, but it seemed interesting, so I grabbed it.

  • Panopea Abrupta

    LRH: Logic Reason Humility or Logic Reason Humility

  • Panopea Abrupta

    Would it be mean to say DM is not playing with a full dick?

    • Science Doc

      I’m sure on the Fleecewinds he berths on the quarterdeck.

      • MaxSpaceman

        And all this time I thought he was berthing on the quartermaster

      • Techie

        I think the quarterdeck is where the little swimming pool is, Dave M is way too important to berth in the swimming pool. He has a cabin on A Deck right next to the captain’s that he used to share with Shelly.

    • richelieu jr

      Not mean enough, PA

    • Baby

      Really? I think he’s a TOTAL DICK..

      • Missionary Kid

        Total tiny dick.

        • Baby

          Oh I’ll drink to that.. OMG.. I just realized I have a cold beer in the fridge..woo hoo.. BRB

  • Panopea Abrupta

    Hubbard’s voice is like an engram toenail.

    • Espiando

      Hubbard’s teachings are like engram toejam.

    • richelieu jr

      …hangnail…

      painful, and miniscule, yet excruciating and embarrassing… if left too long can even require expensive medical treatment..

  • Panopea Abrupta

    Red-X Red-X Red-X

    Things are a little quiet here – why not take a few minutes?
    Time will take them down but we can help them lose a few ads (if not lemurs or engrams):
    http://whyweprotest.net/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-111#post-2480235
    ty anon

    • Sid

      Why they are here:

      • Sejanus

        Krusty is here…
        Hide your Sammiches.

    • Hyder Simpson

      New batch posted

    • Sarah James

      She needs many.

    • Sejanus

      She looks like a fat Malificent.

    • aquaclara

      Flagged, and flagged again. These can come down!

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Why was this image cropped???

      (refresh!)

  • I have to laugh. I spammed every Scientology Facebook page related to this latest nonsense with a photo of the TBT article and a URL link to this article, every Facebook page that still lets me, any way. 🙂 And yet every page I posted the photo and/or link to, they are still there, nobody has removed them.

    Makes me wonder if they have any people left to scrub their Facebook pages of embarrassing truths or whether they’re all in the RPF washing David’s Royals Royces.

  • Karen’s vid reminded me of a book I once read (refresh)
    *Silently apologizing to Judy Blume in my head*

  • valshifter

    “A half way house” on the way to becoming a scientologist, that part is the real TRUTH, but then they turn around and deceive the

  • Jo

    I’m curious about how Scientologist view’s death? Is there a belief that they will, for certain, find another body that believes in Scientology. Or is there a fear that they might not?

    • Cosmo Pidgeon

      The idea is that you leave your body at death….pick up another one and have total recall of your past in the new body. Thus the Sea Org slogan.. “we come back “.

      • 3feetback-of-COS

        thus, a form of immortality. However, I believe one must advance to a certain case level before you can be in control of the process.

        • Peter

          Well, hundreds of millions have subscribed to such beliefs for over 4000 years. Nothing new in scio! LOL

      • Jo

        The total recall thing I’m guessing, no one has ever turned up and said “Hi,I’m back” I was curious if this was something Scientologist feared and worried about?

        • Cosmo Pidgeon

          Not that I know of. I myself attested to past life clear. Kinda funny now to look back at.

        • richelieu jr

          Well,in a way.

          For a while you were supposed to be considered ‘Clear’ even when you came back, so you didn’t have to take courses over again But Miscavige put paid to that..

          They spend most of their time worrying about making sure LRH’s digs are in order when he comes back…

      • Tony Ortega

        Well, that’s only if you’re an “operating thetan.” For the rest of us, including Scientologists who aren’t OT, when we die, we are whisked to Mars or Venus by invading forces that then give us a “between-life implant,” wiping out our memories of who we were. Thus implanted, we then are sent back to earth, where we find an infant to jump into and start another life. We then have to start all over again, stumbling our way to becoming clear. The entire goal of Scientology is to become an operating thetan so we can bypass that between-life implanting and thus hold on to our memories from lifetime to lifetime, as well as being masters of mass, energy, space, and time.

        As for your other question, yes, some people claim to have been past-life clears, as Scientologists assume that some early folks in the movement have had time to die and come back.

        • Jimmy3

          Wouldn’t it be more efficient for the invading forces to build an implant station here on Earth? Or maybe they could outsource it to a company operating out of India?

        • Cosmo Pidgeon

          Much clearer than my explanation. That’s exactly it.

        • richelieu jr

          All this takes place in like 20 minutes, or something, as well, 3D ‘Jesus ‘ film and interplanetary round trip included…

          • Sejanus

            Wow free flight and an in flight movie?
            Cool…better than Westjet.

    • Techie

      The idea is that the beliefs float along with the thetan (satan) and the body with it’s spongy brain matter is just a place-holder. How well that actually works out is not well documented. Some do claim to have been Scientologists or even to have gone Clear in past lives, but Dave M. recently cancelled all such Clear certificates.

      • pronoia

        Well. That is a comforting action. People must be in an incredibly desperate state … then, what is the hope that is keeping them going?

  • D.Y.G.

    I spent way too much time today sparring online with followers of guru-on-the-comeback-trail James Arthur “Death” Ray, the cretin who set up the sweat lodge that killed three people in Arizona. I had to share with you that those people are just as messed up as Scientologists. Only the language is different.

    • Jimmy3

      Where can they be found?

      • D.Y.G.
        • Jimmy3

          That is funny. Only God can judge him! Or, you know, the judge that sentenced him to prison.

          • D.Y.G.

            About half of the comments seem to have disappeared. People from Rick Ross’s forum came over after he tweeted a link. I guess calling him a murderer instead of a negligent homicider crossed the line.

            • Jimmy3

              I first heard about this on one of those true crime re-enactment shows. If I remember correctly, they were denied water and sent out to the desert to “meditate” for a day or so before entering a sweat tent. The asshole himself sat in the cool spot near the flap, where at least some air got in. That’s beyond negligence in my opinion.

            • D.Y.G.

              No food, no water, inadequate camping supplies and sent into the desert for 36 hours. They could buy a woven Peruvian poncho for $250 from James Ray International there on the spot. Otherwise, the majority of them were ill prepared. Most of them slept fitfully or not at all because it got so cold at night. They got to eat a buffet for a couple of hours when they got back, but the word is that most of them drank a lot of water and had full bellies because of that so they didn’t really eat the food. Then they went into the sweat lodge and it was supposed to last for two hours.

              He sat by the entrance and sort of taunted them if they tried to get out between rounds. He “encouraged” them to go back in and go “full on”. He wouldn’t let them out when the entrance flap was down. It was crazy shit. A few of the people managed to crawl out, some of them fainted trying to get out, but most of them just laid there and either couldn’t or wouldn’t move. One guy fell in the pit of hot rocks and burned all the skin off his arm. He went back in. I read a comment by a guy who does sweat lodges regularly that a space that size should have only had about 12 people in it. There were something like 63 or 64. Too many people, much much too hot. It literally scorched people’s lungs. James Ray had no idea what he was doing with a sweat lodge.

              Other people who were outside, his dream team or some goofy name like that, stopped it and called 911. James Ray went nuts because someone lifted up the back of the tarps and “desecrated” the event.

              It’s a shocker to me that the heavier charges didn’t stick. It seemed to me to be an absolutely wanton disregard for human life. $9695.00 a head to attend at that.

            • D.Y.G.

              Oh, and he insisted before the sweat lodge that everyone shave their heads. Even the women.

            • Baby

              Not all complied doggie.. I remember reading that somewhere, but too lazy to look..

            • D.Y.G.

              I know there was a woman dentist who refused for a while, but DeathRay shamed her into it. She showed up on TV interviews with her hair starting to grow out. That was his MO – he made them feel as though they weren’t entirely with the program or outside the group if they didn’t do exactly what he said. Kind of cult-like, yes?

              Anybody who didn’t do the head-shaving thing gets big kudos from me for bucking his system. They were few and far between.

            • Baby

              You are right doggie.. What a scam artist.. Good God.. I wonder if they had to take a huge amount of Niacin to enter the Tent.. ugh

              love my doggie..xo

            • Jimmy3

              Holy hell. That is awful. But props to the guy who fell in the rocks and went back in. That requires a rare combination of stupidity and bravery.

            • D.Y.G.

              I think maybe pain, severe dehydration, and cultish euphoria scrambled his brain. He ended up testifying for the prosecution. He didn’t even want to do the sweat lodge, but he felt shamed into it.

            • Jimmy3

              Well, everyone deserves a second chance, whether it’s getting back in the killer sweat lodge or running the killer sweat lodge with no idea what you’re doing. I wish them all the best of luck.

            • richelieu jr

              This must be the scam Arrested Development was mocking last season. I couldn’t understand what the was being satirized, but they were in TeePees in the desert selling 150 dollar bottles of water, etc…

            • Jimmy3

              My sister (huge AD fan) was super excited because she almost literally ran into David Cross yesterday. He was wearing jean shorts. No joke.

            • richelieu jr

              Ha! I’ma MR Show fan, as well!

              Cross has taken few shots at the Scilons in his stand-up (which I enjoy less) as well…

            • D.Y.G.

              Yep. There were teepees on the site of that retreat.

            • Artoo45

              Not to mention horrific levels of cultural appropriation.

            • D.Y.G.

              The local Lakota tribe filed a civil lawsuit under a treaty between the US and the Lakota Nation, partly on the grounds that James Ray International and the retreat site impersonated Native Americans. It was unsuccessful.

    • aquaclara

      And if I recall, there was some Scino connection here…..

      • D.Y.G.

        Yes! 2005 blog post —

        An excerpt:
        The difficulty with Scientology (with which I’ve had experience) is that, in my opinion, it’s too similar to traditional psychotherapy. Now don’t get me wrong… traditional psychotherapy works (unless you’re speaking of a medicated approach), but again, in my experience, it is not the
        most efficient. In other words, it takes large amounts of time, personal agony and money.

        The agonizing process I’m speaking of is the practice of reliving the issues over and over again until they are drained of their emotional charge. Again, this works, but from personal experience, it’s not fun, comfortable or exciting to say the least. And,it takes an inordinate amount of time and money! I remember leaving my Scientology “auditing” sessions being totally exhausted! (As well as much lighter in my wallet with many more multiples of sessions to go).

        http://forum.culteducation.com/read.php?12,77450,82015

        James Arthur Ray apparently was in Grant Cardone’s home, shaking him down for information on how to be a guru. He blasted him on HuffPo–

        http://www.huffingtonpost.com/grant-cardone/james-ray-was-warned_b_333970.html

        • Jimmy3

          Holy hell, again. Everything Grant Cardone writes can be applied to Scientology. How can he not be aware of that as he’s typing this:

          Guys like Ray will take pieces and parts from anything and everything, relabel it, refuse to invest in any research or studies to validate its workability, and never give credit to the source instead proclaim it for themselves. They use anything they have ever read or been exposed to and endanger people with mixed ideas from any variety of philosophies, teachings, even religions. With endless claims of ‘create abundant wealth in all areas’ ‘complete harmony’, ‘total balance’, ‘peace of mind’ and more, but with no way to measure any of the results or promises made only a way to charge for it.

          I’ve always thought the Cardones are not true believers, but are in on the con and profit from it. Am I wrong?

          • D.Y.G.

            It was kind of “beef stew in the pot calling the kettle black”, wasn’t it? My head exploded.

            I think the Cardones are true believers. They’ve donated way too much money not to be.

            • noseinabk

              How I would love to let Grant know that most of what he stated is how the general public see him. Maybe they are not so much true believers but people who found a nitch when business was declining.

            • Jimmy3

              Money that is tax deductible and kick-backable. I don’t trust they’re upstat KSW Scientologists. I could be wrong, it’s just a hunch. But they don’t behave like public Scientologists or celebrity Scientologists. And no, Elena Cardone is not a celebrity.

          • Artoo45

            He just described Hubbard in a not shell. Amazing.

        • noseinabk

          “While everyone has their attention on the 3 dead and 19 hurt we forget of all the other damaged people that attended Ray’s free workshops, where he uses gimmicks to hook people and create temporarily illusions of empowerment in order to sign them up for future seminars. These people leave inspired and hopeful of new powers until returning to the real world to discover that whatever they experienced is not transferable.”

          Oh the irony.

    • Artoo45

      Ommmmmmmmmmmmmy god it’shotinherewtfhowdowegetout!?!?!?

      • D.Y.G.

        The flap is closed! Nobody leaves!!

    • Eivol Ekdal
  • Just Dee

    Just saw this on twitter – BROOKSVILLE — Without comment, Hernando County commissioners on Tuesday accepted a mediated settlement awarding $1.97 million to Narconon, the operator of a Scientology-affiliated drug treatment center in Spring Hill.
    http://www.tampabay.com/news/localgovernment/hernando-commissioners-approve-mediated-settlement-over-narconon-expansion/2194752

    • aquaclara

      Sad, sad, sad, sad.

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      What, are they nuts? Their own local paper just published an article yesterday about Narconon breaking the law and flouting the licensing regs.

      • Missionary Kid

        The money award is unrelated to what they are doing now. IIRC, they are getting the money because the county violated their won rules in their zoning fight. Somebody correct me if I’m wrong.

  • Just Dee

    Off topic but I’ve been thinking about Observer. I know BTN said she had family matters to attend to. I hope she is doing ok. I miss her wonderful sense of humor & her awesome photo shops. I hope she comes back soon 🙂

  • TheCommodeDoor

    KABC – Los Angeles’s 6pm broadcast teased this story, “…the city considering using a program backed by The Church of Scientology to help fight crime – that’s coming up at 11.” The implication was that “the city” was either Beverly Hills or Los Angeles. Most likely they’re really referring to Flint. I guess we’ll have to wait and watch at 11 to find out!

  • wonder who’ll dare to turn up?

    “Church of Scientology to host breakfast for Hill staffers

    Read more: http://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/216009-church-of-scientology-to-host-hill-staffers#ixzz3BYZsBOgy

    • Jimmy3

      Tony mentioned something about that a while ago.

      • he mentioned this very thing in todays article above but I posted a link showing that this is now a news item in a top “Hill” blog [it uses Disqus so suggest people add their thoughts there]

        • Jimmy3

          I see. I rescind my snark.

          • aquaclara

            Oh, don’t rescind. Just pop it out over there, on the Hill site. They are desperately in need of both snark and a little education!

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      Thanks Lush, I commented over there.

    • Baby

      Come on in you guys.. They have disq. .. errrrrrrrrrrgh.. I feel like going there and taking pictures of those that walk in. I swear to God.

  • Mike Rinder has a new piece on it looks like the Boston org is pretty much kaput!

    http://www.mikerindersblog.org/more-ideal-org-fails/

    • Missionary Kid

      It also mentions that the Santa Barbara org is moving to Ventura. That’s half an hour away, in another county. Santa Barbara will be dead. At least the old org was in a place that would get foot traffic.

      This is just a shell game to disguise the fact that they’re dying. Hooray!

      I’ve said it before, and I still might be right, even though 3/4 of the year is gone, but I predicted that 2014 would mark the organizational collapse of $cientology. Not financial collapse, but a collapse caused by the great number of defections (forced or voluntary) and people passively going under the radar to avoid confrontation.

      Will the last person to leave, please turn out the lights?

      • I just looked for a good quality pic of the original Sun cover as it would make a perfect shoop but google image only threw up crappy low res stuff

  • Guest

    He is using the cell phone, and nobody is watching over him, he can easily browse thru the internet, what is stopping him? from looking into the Underground Bunker? Does any body know if their devices have restrictions to the internet, like they used to do with the computer nannies? Does somebody goes thru his phone once he comes into the building? is everybody allowed to have a cell phone or just certain privileged people?

    • Baby

      Guest..I would hate to see him get in trouble because of this picture.. What do you think?

      • Guest

        because he is on the phone or because he is at the Bunker? on the phone he was on plain view on the street on LRHs way, so he knew what he was doing. on the Bunker is not his fault. I tried to delete it and I can’t.

        • Baby

          xo it’s all good.. ; ) didn’t mean to stress you out..

      • Guest

        you can hardly see his face is hard to tell who it is.

        • Baby

          You are right.. I didn’t mean to overreact .. sorry..

          I get so damn paranoid for those in..

          • As the pressure slowly builds on Lil’ Dave it must be even more unpleasant for those still in, struggling away.

            • Baby

              He is such a VIPER..ugh Kitteh

  • Pierrot

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    DON’T route out, BLOW, Get HELP, get OUT. CALL 1-866-XSEAORG

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  • remember that call-out for actors for the new scientology ad to be filmed in New York…. the NY Daily News has an amusing take on it

    http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/gossip/confidential/scientology-about-face-cruise-travolta-article-1.1918179

    pic

    • Baby

      Travola.. Please in God’s name get rid of the Beard!

      and why you are at it shave your face!

  • you know how we compare a lot of tiny fists rule with North Korea?…. here’s an interesting piece I think a few of the scholars here might enjoy:

    “Everything in North Korea was about the leader, all the books, music and TV,” she said. “So what was shocking to me about Titanic was that the guy gave his life for the woman and not for his country – I just couldn’t understand that mindset”

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/26/north-korea-defector-titanic?CMP=fb_gu

    • Missionary Kid

      It’s called the cult of personality. That applied to Chairman Mao, Stalin, Hitler, Mussolini, Hubbard, and Dinky mind.

  • Baby

    While lurking..I always default to my favorite videos..this is one. I know you’ve seen it but so worthwhile seeing it again.. and just maybe someone will just be ” inspired” enough to leave. Plus I love seeing ” our ” familiar faces..refresh..

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0UFZVHfel4&list=TLe8xVVskJ3kw7D592GQUqpzyTpNsSHHnL

  • Sydjazz

    Wow that double decker bus is sooo…..empty

  • Jimmy3

    FIRST
    edit: nvm

    • D.Y.G.

      So close!

    • Baby

      are you hammered?

      • Jimmy3

        No, I was joking. It was 7:05 and no new article. I’m hammered now, though.

        • Baby

          ha..

  • Jenny Blough

    Actually there is a mandate for Scientologists to have no other practice than Scientology. Those who have are called squirrels. This is covered in the Code of a Scientologist, in KSW, in HCO PL Ethics where Hubbard mentions other-“intentionedness” To have any other intention than to be devoted to Scientology is stated to be a crime in Scientology. Of course all this is worded in such a way as to make it impenetrable to non-Scientologists but it is crystal clear to a Scientologist that he’s not supposed to follow any other religion.

  • Xenuvius
  • Eugene K

    I’m a bit late on this, but here is a quote to go along with Karen’s video:

    “When you can’t do anything else to a population, if you totally fail to give them any information, if you totally fail to help them, if you totally fail to cure any of their ills, if you totally fail to take any responsibility in all directions, you can always invent a god in some cult or another. Cynical statement, isn’t it?

    And yet it’s not cynical; it’s actually quite factual. The assignment of total responsibility to another deity than yourself is the most invalidative thing that you can do to you. You recognize it as such, don’t you?

    You could always get a zing out of handing over all the responsibility in the universe to Zock or—or Cronus or Titan or Batten, Barton, Durstine and Osborn. There’s always a certain zing involved. You could get a change.”

    [3 January 1960] State of Man Congress, lecture “Your Case”

    • Sir Hemet TC Burlwood, VIII

      Hi Eugene! What an amazing quote. Accurate and true, but given the person who said it, breathtaking in its duplicity, cynicism, and irony!

      BTW, can I just say how thoroughly impressed I am by how far you have come since you first started posting here some 10 months ago. I was impressed with your dogged and highly detailed and intelligent responses way back then, but it was my perception that you were still under the sway of LRH’s cunning world view (of which the above quote is an exemplar, par excellence). I know that you you do not need such a comment from me, but I must say, you have earned even more of my admiration. Toodles!

      • Eugene K

        I took to a closer scrutiny of Scientology philosophy and methodology itself. It turned out to be a very fruitful area… And I was just listening to that Congress – State of Man – right after I watched Karen’s video. The Congress contains a good summary of just about everything that’s wrong with Scientology in my view on Hubbard’s redefinition of the concept of “responsibility” and other things. But this quote about God isn’t that far off. I recall being at a youth Christian gathering at university and the pastor was preaching to students that they should even leave their exams up to “Jesus” and told stories of how answers just “came” to some guy because he trusted in Jesus. I was listening to it in disbelief…

        • Sir Hemet TC Burlwood, VIII

          Oh, it’s much worse than that, Eugene. The belief that we should “trust in Jesus” because a bronze-age book said he was sacrificed by his supernatural father to save us from the eternal burning of our flesh (i.e., the doctrine of vicarious redemption by human sacrifice) is an utterly immoral belief system that abolishes the concept of personal responsibility all together. Yup, disbelief is a good thing. Christopher Hitchens sums it up nicely…er…trenchantly.

  • Missjune75

    Narconon seems like heaven compared to Mel and Betty Sembler’s abusive rehab program Straight Inc and others. Sure, they got shut down years ago but that doesn’t stop the DEA and politicians from giving them awards for their great work.

  • Pepper

    @Karen de la Carrire

    Loved your video on God (or lack of) in Scientology. When you said that you’re supposed to realize that “you are God” and each and “every one of us is God”, that really resonated. I came to the same conclusion when I was in the church and kept looking for the answer to the eight Dynamic because it was never spelled out by LRH, when pretty much everything else is (based the writings and lectures of LRH). Somehow it didn’t do much for me, I never considered myself God, or A God, and actually was a big turn off.