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Where is Scientology keeping Samantha Sterne?

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In the fall of 2012, Mary Jane Sterne couldn’t have been any prouder. Her daughter, Samantha Paige Sterne, was beginning her first semester as a freshman at the University of Oregon. Samantha’s older sister Brittaney — Mary Jane’s daughter from a previous marriage — was on hand, and so was her ex-husband Chuck Sterne, Samantha’s father. It was a celebration, the family setting up “Sami” in her freshman dorm as the young pre-med major began her college experience.

Just a few months later, Sami was out of the University of Oregon, had signed a billion-year contract with the Church of Scientology, and now won’t communicate with her mother or her mother’s other two children.

She’s “disconnected” from them in the Scientology way, and Mary Jane only has a vague notion of where her daughter is and what she’s doing.

Yes, even as Scientology is dwindling and splitting apart, it still has the power to attract young people into its ranks, often resulting in families being torn apart.

Last year we told you about two young women in Los Angeles who signed the Sea Organization’s billion-year contract only weeks after first hearing about Scientology. Even today, with so much information about the controversial church on the Internet, some young people are still susceptible to its call.

Samantha Sterne has been around Scientology much of her life because her parents were members. And no one gets heavier recruitment than the children of Scientologists. But Mary Jane tells us that her daughter had only minimal contact with the church growing up. Then, a little more than a year ago, Sami spent 11 days at one of its headquarters. And in just that time, everything changed.

 

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Mary Jane Barry met Chuck Sterne in California in 1992. Originally from New York, Mary Jane was divorced and had two children, Brittaney and Colton, when she met Chuck, who had been a Scientologist since the 1970s. (We left a message with Chuck Sterne, but haven’t received a reply.)

Chuck also had two children, daughters from a previous marriage. Mary Jane and Chuck married in 1993 and then had Sami in 1994. A couple of years later, Mary Jane says her own involvement in her husband’s church began to pick up. When the marriage struggled, Mary Jane was encouraged to go through Scientology marriage counseling, which resulted in her making some trips to Scientology’s spiritual headquarters — the Flag Land Base (or “Flag”) in Clearwater, Florida. Things continued to deteriorate, however, and by 2004 their divorce was final.

Mary Jane says that her involvement in Scientology lessened after her divorce, and her own children were never interested in it. And as time passed, she began to be even more disillusioned with it. Like many other longtime church members, she was shocked by what former Scientology executive Debbie Cook revealed in her 2012 New Year’s Eve e-mail and Cook’s subsequent testimony when she was sued by the church.

Later that year, Sami began her freshman year at Oregon. At Thanksgiving, she came home and posted a photograph of herself with her mother on Instagram…

 
SamiMJInsta

 
And then she came home for Christmas and had another normal family celebration.

Samantha had very little involvement in Scientology growing up — she had been exposed to some “Study Tech,” Mary Jane says. And in December, at Christmas, she told her mother that she was convinced Scientology “doesn’t work.”

But then, two days after Christmas 2012, Sami took a trip to Flag with her father.

“She was going to do an allergy rundown. I knew she was there, and I was a little concerned about it. She was a complete rookie,” Mary Jane says. Eleven days later, on January 7, Sami returned to California, and Mary Jane says everything had changed.

“When she came home, I could tell immediately that she was very odd. She was sitting on the arm of the couch, avoiding contact,” Mary Jane says. Then came the surprise.

“Mom, I want you to know I signed a Sea Org contract.”

Mary Jane couldn’t believe it.

Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard ran Scientology from sea during the years 1967 to 1975, sailing three ships with a small force of dedicated young followers who came to be known as the “Sea Organization.” To this day, Scientology is run by the Sea Org, men and women who wear quasi-naval uniforms, have naval ranks, and sign contracts for a billion years of service. The children of Scientologists are under intense pressure to join the elite corps, and we’ve talked to people who were pressured to sign contracts as young as seven years old. Sea Org workers toil for about 110 hours a week, and for pennies an hour, and never have days off. They live in dormitory conditions, and can spend years separated from their families. Much of the work they do is menial. Mary Jane knew all of that, and realized that her daughter must have been under constant pressure during her stay in Florida to sign up and give up her college dreams and any plans for spending time with her family.

“No way you’re quitting college,” Mary Jane told her daughter.

She tells us that she tried to think of a way to get her daughter to pay attention to the information that was coming out about Scientology. She knew that the publication of a memoir by Jenna Miscavige Hill — niece to the church leader, David Miscavige — was just days from being published. She knew it was going to kick up a lot of negative publicity about the church in the press. Could she get Samantha to pay attention to it?

“I was going to make sure she didn’t go into the Sea Org,” she says. But she had an emergency to take care of in Los Angeles — an ailing aunt — and Samantha used the opportunity to go back to Flag for her “EPF.”

The Estates Project Force is a kind of “boot camp” for Sea Org members. But during Sami’s EPF, Mary Jane was still in contact with her daughter, and kept trying to get her to pay attention to what Debbie Cook and Jenna Miscavige Hill had said about Scientology’s abuses.

Then, in March, Sami came back to California.

“I didn’t see her for a few days. I knew they were trying to handle me,” she says.

Mary Jane says she knew that if she put up enough of a stink, the Sea Org might not want her daughter. The people at the local “org,” in Sacramento, were visiting her house, trying to convince Mary Jane to let her daughter do what she wanted. “The people from the org were trying to handle me,” she says.

“One evening I got off work, and I got a phone call from my daughter. ‘I’m around the block, can I come see you?’ she said. She came by that night, and we spoke for a short time,” Mary Jane says. “I told her, ‘I’m going to do everything in my power to keep you out of the Sea Org. If you want to go to Sac State, that’s fine with me, but you’re not leaving college’.”

But Mary Jane learned that she was up against a team that was working against her. She obtained the following two e-mails, which show how Samantha was talking to a Sea Org trainer named Torin at Flag, in Florida, who was encouraging her to “handle” her mother as Sami was working through Scientology’s “PTS/SP” course — a course that all Scientologists take to help indoctrinate them against people who speak negatively about the church.

 

Torin,

So I thought I would just update you on everything that’s been going on for the past few days. My dad and I flew home from Flag Thursday morning and drove straight to the Sac Org to get this all handled! I haven’t been in comm with my mom since I last spoke to her with you; however, Evelyn has been in comm with her and has been updating me on my aunt’s condition. Apparently my aunt is doing better and my mom is scheduled to come to the org and is requesting that I just come see her at the house, but Jeremy is scheduled to call her on Tuesday evening and get her into the org. So we’ll see how things work out! Hopefully all goes well.

Currently, I am working on the PTS/SP course and reading Self-Analysis at night while I’m home. Yesterday, I memorized and passed the Tone Scale Patter. (WOOT WOOT!) I have a few questions, though, regarding my return. If I wrap this whole cycle up in the next ~6 days with my mom (and she is totally handled), will I still need to complete the PTS/SP course in order to return? And if not, what other requirements are there that I need to accomplish before returning? Thank you so much, sir!

ARC,
Sami

 
Samantha here sounds determined to return to Flag so she can join the Sea Org — but they don’t want her as long as her mother is saying negative things about Scientology. A critic of Scientology is a “Suppressive Person” (SP), and having a connection to her makes Samantha herself a “Potential Trouble Source” (PTS). As long as Sami is “PTS to an SP,” she isn’t fit to be in the Sea Org. Her mother has to be “handled” — which means that Mary Jane has to be convinced to come down to the org for some mental reconditioning. Torin is impressed that Samantha understands the situation so well…

 

Dear Samantha,

Wow you are on a roll! Thank you for the update. That is not an easy patter to pass!

Obviously keep rolling on your PTS/SP course. Keep me updated with what is happening, because once your mom makes it into the org, I will need to alert OSA as to what occurred and can propose you coming back. Handled will obviously mean she is “with Scientology” and willing to continue on course and cut with her enemy connections.

So, no PTS/SP is not being mandated as having to be completed before you come back, but obviously that is the full tech of how to get your mother sorted out.

Keep it up as you are doing amazing.

ARC, Torin

 
Torin encourages Samantha in thinking that her mother has “enemy connections” and that she needs handling. And once something is done about it, he can contact OSA — the Office of Special Affairs, Scientology’s intelligence bureau.

But Mary Jane wasn’t cooperating. There was no way she was going anywhere near the “org.”

Samantha came by again, shortly after the previous visit. This time, she was carrying a backpack.

“‘Mom, you have to go by the org,’ she told me,” Mary Jane says. “I told her it’s not going to happen. I argued with her about what kind of information to trust about the church.”

That March 2013 visit was the last time Mary Jane saw her daughter.

Knowing that her mother was devastated, Brittany asked Mary Jane to move to Virginia to be closer to her. Samantha has also cut off ties with Brittaney and Colton, her siblings.

In August, Sami sent her mother a letter, apologizing for not handling things better at their last meeting in March. Sami also sent her mother a text on her last birthday. But since then, nothing.

“I didn’t hear anything from her on Thanksgiving. On Christmas. I sent her something on her birthday in April, but I didn’t hear anything,” Mary Jane says.

We asked her if she knew where Samantha is now and what she’s doing. She says Samantha still hasn’t been allowed in the Sea Org because Mary Jane hasn’t been “handled,” so, to the best of her knowledge, her daughter is in Los Angeles, “doing the Bridge” (taking Scientology courses) with money from her father.

“I’ve been so close to my children,” Mary Jane says, sounding distraught. She said she knows that when this article appears, she’ll probably be formally “declared” a “suppressive person,” making it even more likely that Samantha will remain disconnected from her, at least in the short run.

But she isn’t giving up. “I love her with all my heart and will do whatever it takes to make sure she understands the truth,” Mary Jane says.

 
For other recent stories about disconnection, please see our piece about Gayle Smith, and Joe Childs’s story at the Tampa Bay Times about Sara Goldberg.

 
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Scientology needs lawyers!

Another fun skit from Karen de la Carriere and Jeffrey Augustine…

 

 
And one more thing. Um, what the hell?

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on June 6, 2014 at 07:00

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  • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

    Alexa update for June 6: *refresh for images*

    Tony: US rank #21,672 – down 134 from yesterday. (Average rank last 3 months: 22,173)
    Scientology: US rank #59,935 – down 664 from yesterday. (Average rank last 3 months: 54,522)

    Difference: 38,263 – 530 more than yesterday. (Average difference last 3 months: 32,349)

    Clicks from Taiwan – 9,9% today.

    • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

      And to whomever runs Scientology Bollocks (http://scientologybollocks.blogspot.co.uk/ ), thank you ever so much for including my report from London in today’s post 🙂

      • NOLAGirl

        That’s Bunkerite media_lush. Love his site.

        • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

          I knew it was someone over here, just didn’t know who. Thanks!

      • Troy MacGyver SP

        Thanks,as always for you work , Johnny!

  • Snippy_X

    “What the hell?” (or OMG or WTF)

    24K Gold Extreme Mountain Bike $1,000,000.00

    The House of Solid Gold’s CEO, Mr. Power, announced recently his elation about working closely with The Way to Happiness Foundation International, a global non-profit, non-religious charitable organization whose sole mission is to reverse the moral decay of society by restoring trust and honesty the world over through the publication and widespread distribution of “The Way to Happiness” booklet, a common sense guide to better living. The majority, 90% or more, of the proceeds from the sale of this golden bicycle will go directly to this global organization.

    Comments are open!

    • mr. and mrs. douche cardone will each buy one to support such a worthwhile cause!!

    • aegerprimo

      WTF?! Otherwise I am speechless.

  • media_lush

    even The Wall Street Journal’s worried Cruise is blown goods

    https://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2014/06/05/will-tom-cruise-hurt-edge-of-tomorrow-at-box-office/

    • NOLAGirl

      I’m getting an error message when I click on the link. Is it just me?

      • media_lush

        aaah, I think it might be a paysite for Americans…. I’ll just go and grab the text….

        “Edge of Tomorrow” is poised to be Hollywood’s first big budget flop of the summer and the question is already flying through Hollywood: Is the reason that it’s an original concept that people aren’t interested in among a slew of sequels, or is it star Tom Cruise?

        Pre-release surveys (known as “tracking” inside Hollywood) indicate the film will open this weekend to between $25 million and $30 million domestically, a bad start for a movie that cost about $175 million to make. Overseas, where the film has collected $26 million so far, expectations are a bit higher but still not strong, said a person close to the picture.

        Despite the claims of many in the public that they want more originality on the big screen, films like “Edge” that aren’t a sequel or an adaptation of a well known property have a weak track record. Every single hit so far this summer season (“Amazing Spider-Man 2,” “Godzilla,” “X-Men: Days of Future Past,” “Maleficent”) falls in the latter category.

        Last summer’s biggest flops, meanwhile, are all examples of the former, including “Turbo,” “RIPD,” “Pacific Rim,” “White House Down” and “After Earth.” The only exception may be “The Lone Ranger,” though the classic TV and radio show hardly has resonance among people under 50.

        “Edge of Tomorrow” is based on a Japanese book, “All You Need is Kill,” that’s little known outside of its home country.

        “Everybody says they want something original and fresh, but we always have such a tough time with original concepts,” said Sue Kroll, president of worldwide marketing at Warner Bros.

        Still, based on overwhelmingly positive reviews and strong responses in screenings with regular moviegoers, Ms. Kroll said she remains optimistic: “I don’t like how the tracking looks, of course, but I don’t think it’s telling the whole story.”

        Another potential reason for the movie’s uphill climb lies with the man whose name is above the title and is front and center in every advertisement. In the 1990s, Mr. Cruise was an unstoppable force at the box office. Between 1992 and 1996 he starred in five movies in a row that all grossed more than $100 million — some dramas (“A Few Good Men”), some big-budget action (“Mission: Impossible”) and some romantic (“Jerry Maguire”).

        But in the 2000s, the power of A-list stars at the box office has faded, particularly in the U.S., and Mr. Cruise has been among the victims. Since 2005, he has not starred in a single movie that grossed more than $100 million domestically save for two “Mission: Impossible” sequels.

        The other seven movies in which he has starred included outright flops like “Lions for Lambs” and “Rock of Ages” (in which he played a prominent supporting role but was not a lead), disappointments-but-not-disasters such as “Knight & Day,” and modest successes, all of which did better overseas, like “Jack Reacher” and “Oblivion.”

        Still, as a movie star for more than 30 years and a man whose personal life regularly makes tabloid headlines, Mr. Cruise remains one of the world’s most famous faces. Warner has used it to full advantage, including a whirlwind series of three premieres last Wednesday in London, Paris and New York, all on a single day.

        “We had to build several hours into the schedule in each city for him to sign autographs,” noted Ms. Kroll. “He works so hard and puts himself out there. I think it’s a little unfair and too easy to blame Tom for these things.”

        • NOLAGirl

          Thank you ML.

        • aegerprimo

          Yeah, thanx ML

  • Panopea Abrupta

    Red-X Red-X Red-X

    This is a troll-free service announcement.
    We all need an honest reality check on this blog, apparently.
    Some anonymous OSA illiterate donated precious time to voyage to the fringes of the Interwebz.

    Vincent Price has been doxed.
    Who next will fall?
    It is like Stalingrad in the Bunker.

    In a vain and forlorn attempt to check the all-conquering juggernaut that is GAFFE III
    please Red-X.
    Sell your lives dearly. And remember, keep one bullet for yourself.
    Farewell, brave comrades.
    See you in Valhalla.

    Main list:
    https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-89#post-2461375

    Updates and new blues:
    https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-89#post-2461474

  • Sibs

    Update on Hollywood Reporter (this isn’t the same link that ML posted earlier):
    http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/box-office-tom-cruises-edge-709933

    Basically, EoT is doing well in Russia and China but Fault is killing it here in North America.

    • media_lush

      whatever money it makes if it doesn’t beat “Fault” by the end of the weekend it will always be remembered for losing out to a chick flick

      • ze moo

        I just wish Frozen 2 had come out today.

    • media_lush

      caught one of the commentators out….

      • Observer

        Scientologists know how to duplicate!

      • media_lush

        just got a reply from the noob denying it… told him to come over here and look at the proof

        pic

        • Troy MacGyver SP

          Busted you fucking idiot! Go retake your basics.

  • media_lush

    … and another blogger has a go at our midget super hero (there’s even quite a long poem… which is pretty funny):

    Dear Tom Cruise, where are your Scientology Super Powers?

    http://www.chicagonow.com/an-agnostic-in-wheaton/2014/06/dear-tom-cruise-where-are-your-scientology-super-powers/

  • Espiando

    Off-Topic: And Wisconsin now joins the 21st Century, but Scott Walker and his shitbags in Madison are going to fight it. Good luck, assholes. And if anyone from Wisconsin doesn’t want to wait, just cross the border. Illinois, Iowa, and Minnesota will be happy to marry you, whoever you might be.

    • Troy MacGyver SP

      Fuck,Scott Walker. He is on recording basically taking bribes from a fictional, Koch brother. What an idiot the voter’s are to have him in office.

  • media_lush
    • MaxSpaceman

      I’m so glad to see the report on C o $ vs. Tory. Amazing post.

      The O S A operation against Tory Christman is reprehensible. Disgusting human beings, OSA’bots and their Captain David Miscavige, the machiavellian midget/asthmatic dwarf. Repulsive. When an RTC’er or OSA’bot blows, do they get how criminal and ugly their behavior was? how they had sunk so low? I wonder…

    • aegerprimo

      Lush…. I don’t know if your compilations are getting better and better, or if I am finally getting you… whatever the case may be, BRAVO!

  • Ellen Fürst

    If I got the Scientology-Supressive Person-Disconnection-System right, a scientologist related to a SP or disconnected person won`t make career in the cult, so who´s interested in involving Samantha in the cult? her mother? she`s no scientologist, and why should Samantha join the cult? if her mother left it and is disconnected, Samantha won`t make career in Scientology, so why should she join? if her mother would still be with a cult, would Samantha be considered as second generation scientologist by the cult? do they try to force these ones to the cult? Scientology is probably in need of new members and more money and probably new and more women, if you have a look at all the ones who left the cult: many girls and women and children gone..

    • aegerprimo

      Ellen, I do not understand your questions. I am an ex. Start with one question and let’s go from there.

      • richelieu jr

        I suspect her question come from alack of understannding of the SeaOrg as opposed to simply being a public member of CoS…

        • aegerprimo

          That is okay. I am willing to answer her questions, but can only try to tackle one thought / question at a time versus an onslaught of all at once.

      • Ellen Fürst

        Grüss Dich aegerprimo,
        thanks and hope you have fun in the ordinary world…;-)

        if a scientologist is related to a SP or disconnected person, can he still achieve erverything (e.g. Levels or stuff like that) within the cult?

        • aegerprimo

          Scientology’s disconnection policy is too complicated to explain in one short comment. To understand why this girl, Samantha Sterne, would be doing a PTS/SP course before being allowed to join the Sea Org, and why they would be handling her mother so she agrees to let Samantha join, is all done so the mother does not become critical of Scientology and so Samantha does not become PTS to her. People don’t WANT to disconnect from family members, but it is done all the time by members and justified as the best thing to do, “the greatest good”.

          Tony Ortega has done several articles on the subject of disconnection. He also has some articles were ex-members explain various Scientology beliefs. These three articles should answer most of your questions…

          Disconnection: Scientology’s Most Toxic Sacrament
          http://tonyortega.org/2013/05/21/disconnection-scientologys-most-toxic-sacrament/
          Jefferson Hawkins Explains the Ethics of Scientology’s “Suppressive Person”
          http://tonyortega.org/2013/11/28/jefferson-hawkins-explains-the-ethics-of-scientologys-suppressive-person/
          How Does Scientology Take Over a Mind? Jefferson Hawkins Tells Us About “PTS”
          http://tonyortega.org/2013/12/06/how-does-scientology-take-over-a-mind-jefferson-hawkins-tells-us-about-pts/

          • Ellen Fürst

            already read the first link: I know Claire Headly is very popular but is it the “power of the cult” or is it some kind of choice her family members made who are disconnected? Do they think cult matters more than Claire does? Claire left, they could too So maybe she thinks of Scientology as more powerful as it is. She left, her familiy members still with Scientology could do the same. Maybe all – no matter who-should stop thinking of Scientology as powerful, if you think like this, what do you think of yourself or any anti-Scientology action? if you consider Scientology as powerful isn`t your thinking already negative anyhow so far as e.g. leaving or fighting (e.g. suing) the cult is concerned? Nobody should think like this. And of course Claire miss the ones who are still with the cult but hey, think about it: do they miss her, do they leave the cult to be with her? No. So maybe these persons are not worth it to be missed. Yeah I know it sounds hard but I refuse to consider Scientology as “powerful”. So just a decision of Claires family members who chose cult over Claire.

            • aegerprimo

              The brainwashing of the Scientology cult is very powerful. I have been uninvolved with Scientology for over 15 years, but it was only a little over a year ago that I decided to find out what was going on with the “church” and started looking on the internet. What got me to start looking after all this time? – a sociology class in college, specifically a nursing course on cultural diversity in healthcare. It did not take a lot of convincing for me, at this point in my life, to realize that Scientology is a scam, and L Ron Hubbard was a scam artist and mentally ill. I started my search by lurking here at the Underground Bunker and at ESMB – http://www.forum.exscn.net/forum.php . Then I read some books that documented Hubbard’s REAL life, i.e “Bare-Faced Messiah”, “A Piece of Blue Sky” and many others. After that I decided to speak out and tell my story – http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?32871-The-Foul-Air-of-the-Freewinds-an-Ex-SO-Member’s-Story

              I did not FULLY understand how brainwashing works, and why someone like Samantha would choose Scientology over her mother, until I started reading books on how cults brainwash their members. The best book I think on the subject is “Captive Hearts, Captive Minds” by Madeleine Landau Tobias and Janja Lalich.
              http://www.csj.org/pub_csj/csjbookreview/csjbkrev101captive.htm

              You are right, nobody should think like this, but people do. Smart people, yet gullible and idealistic. Samantha was pre-med, so she is obviously smart. I quit going to school for engineering when I joined the Sea Org.

            • Ellen Fürst

              thanks, still reading your story b u t the cuban workers just came to my mind: Freewinds was on a dock on Bahamas, cuban workers worked on the Freewinds, if it`s full of asbestos this could matter to everyone who was on this ship…or still is…why is the Freewinds still operating?

            • Ellen Fürst

              http://www.krebsforum.at/index.php?topic=1707.5;wap2

              “Es könnte auch der gefährlichste gewesen sein. Denn der Fest-Dampfer war
              die “Freewinds”, seit 22 Jahren im Besitz von Scientology, mit
              Heimathafen auf der niederländischen Karibikinsel Curacao. Vor drei
              Wochen rückten dort Hafenpolizisten und Gesundheitsbeamte an, um die
              Menschen von Bord zu holen und das riesige Schiff zu versiegeln….”

              sorry, it`s on german…b u t Curacao belongs to the Netherlands?! what about tax exemption and asbestos? asbestos is knows as dangerous in Europe since 1970 and there are laws how to get rid of asbestos, so Curacao belongs to the Netherlands? never knew that…does it make a difference?

            • aegerprimo

              The Freewinds is registered in Panama. Of course the blue asbestos is still a problem, it could NEVER be removed and that is why ships built with blue asbestos are no longer being used. Somehow the Church of Scientology covered up the blue asbestos problem with the Freewinds and/or paid off Curacao officials to look the other way. There is a thread on WWP that discusses the Cuban workers who sued Curacao Drydock Company https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/remember-the-freewinds-asbestos-case-slavery.25975/

              Scientology, it is always worse than you think. So many crimes the “church” gets away with, and hiding under the guise of a religion makes them untouchable in the USA and many other countries. It has to stop and this is why we protest.

            • Ellen Fürst

              I know about the cuban workers because I read the undergroundbunker, it was published in Germany too. The “religion-thing”: don`t know about a country in Europe which considers Scientology as a religion. I still read you story, you mention many persons from European countries who have been on the Freewinds. Not being a religion in most eurpean countries should mean no “SeaOrg”, because no religion. This should be done. No religion in most european countries, so no hiding under the guise. The europeans on the Freewind: did they work, were they paid, what about social insurances, taxes? Don`t know law of Panama but are or were there any convention between european countries and Panama or Curacao? http://www.justlanded.com/ a n d what about today? Freewind is still operating, it´s said to be full of asbestos, can they use european harbours? why is who working how on Freewinds today?

            • Ellen Fürst

              probably this is one of the reasons why I don´t understand several things or have questions to the ones who left the cult. In Germany it`s just an unconstitutional cult. Members condemned in France, sued in Belgium. No religion at all. So probably it´s about a very different point of view.
              And they are not powerful at all.

              That´s why I was so surprised, if Freewinds was registered in Curacao, which belongs to the Netherlands and to Europe anyhow, how can Freewinds still operate?

              And even if it`s registered in Panama: many workers you mention were from Europe. So they should have been workers. If one of them e.g. was from Germany, he was a worker. It can`t have been about religious stuff. No religion in Germany, no SeaOrg, no what ever. Just working on a ship with asbestos in Curacao or Panama. That should make a difference anyhow?

            • aegerprimo

              You ask a lot of very good questions, and I don’t know the answers. Much of what you ask is probably already on the internet. I am always reading and learning myself.
              I do know that Majestic Cruise Line is the United States corporation that owns the Freewinds. The way the Church of Scientology is set up legally and how its incorporated entities control the assets (money) is complex and I cannot begin to understand it. Even with that setup, the Sea Org members are the ones who run everything, the Freewinds as well. The workers there are Sea Org members. There have been times when a company was contracted to do specific work aboard the Freewinds like the carpentry/renovation company from England when I was there. It was not a scientology company or owned by scientologists, its workers were not scientologists. They got paid just like as if you were to hire a company to remodel your home.

              Got you on Scientology not being a legal religion in Germany, France, Belgium. I think Ireland as well, and Israel? There are probably a few of them. In the USA the “church” is able to get away with its crimes for so long because they ARE recognized as a religion because of the First Amendment of the United States Constitution – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

              In the USA, the “church” of Scientology is powerful, and rich. The court cases going on now will be a detriment to that, especially the Narconon cases. The Co$ is dying, and as it dies its crimes are being exposed.

            • Ellen Fürst

              ok, the english company who got to know about the asbestos and left, remember name of the company? and what does “OT-Ship” mean? No, that`s no stupid question. OT is related to some religious aspects of the cult. B u t in many european countries Scientology is no religion. So there can`t be something like “OT”, right? I´m just thinking about most european countries now. And persons from Europe working on the Freewinds, and the Freewinds maybe once upon a time registered in Curacao, at least, all you tell, happened on Curacao, right? And Curacao belongs to the Netherlands? And why should somebody scrub the floor inch by inch and why should somebody do jobs if he never had a professional training on the job and why are trained persons called “Wogs”? maybe paying them would be too expensive so tell them they got no idea at all? Remember: I got most european countries in mind, and they are no religion in most european countries…so actually any “OT” is wog in most european countries…

            • aegerprimo

              A lot of your questions will be answered by lurking and reading here at the Underground Bunker. Tony’s articles are great for the “never-in” and provide excellent explanations of the Scientology craziness. Keep reading. Also, check out http://www.xenu.net

            • Ellen Fürst

              and ain`t there no “TÜV” in Curacao?

            • aegerprimo

              What is TÜV? Googled and get Technischer Überwachungs-Verein, English: Technical Inspection Association.

              The Freewinds, being registered in Panama would be subject to whatever Panama requires for safety inspections. From what I understand, Panama has very lax standards, which is why lots of ships register under the Panama flag. Freewinds, from what I understand is not subject to OSHA safety standards even though owned by Majestic Cruise Line (a U.S.A. corporation).

              Did you see the video of Lawrie Woodcraft? He gives a lot of info about this. I put a link to the YouTube video on my ESMB thread. The video is Mark Bunker’s site as well, and Lawrie’s affidavit.
              http://www.xenutv.com/blog/2008/03/02/lawrence-woodcraft/
              http://www.xenutv.com/blog/2008/03/02/lawrence-woodcraft-on-the-freewinds/

            • aegerprimo

              OSHA – Occupational Safety & Health Administration – https://www.osha.gov/

            • Ellen Fürst

              many ships, oil tankers, cruise ships are registered in Bahamas, Panama or Liberia, first of all it`s about tax b u t many states are in general pi*** off because these ships can be a danger to their ports a n d have a look at these ships,

              “Berüchtigt sind beispielsweise die Hygiene-Kontrollen der
              US-Gesundheitsbehörde CDC, die alle Kreuzfahrtschiffe, die US-Häfen
              anlaufen, rigoros kontrollieren und im schlimmsten Fall sogar wegen
              Hygienemängeln an Bord festsetzen können. Unter welcher Flagge das
              Schiff fährt, ist in einem solchen Moment dann ziemlich egal.”

              it says that CDC has a look at cruise ships who want to enter a US port and they don`t care about the flag (port of registry)…

              is asbestos a danger for a port in US or Europe? and what about all the other stuff done by persons with no training on the job, e.g. engineering?

            • aegerprimo

              When you read and learn more about the “church” of Scientology, you will find that it OFTEN happens that they throw people onto a job with no training. L Ron Hubbard did it himself. The reason is that a person has lived many past lives and has done the job in one or more of the past lives and retains the innate ability to do the job. I KNOW THAT SOUNDS WIERD! It is what Scientologists believe.

              Here is an example of Hubbard making someone a captain of one of his ships during the origins of the Sea Org – this woman had NO TRAINING on how to sail ships. This is an excerpt from the book “Bare-Faced Messiah”, by Russell Miller.

              While at La Goulette, Joe van Staden, the captain of the Avon River, offended the Commodore in some way, was promptly dismissed and replaced by Hana Eltringham. ‘I was working in the between decks area,’ she recalled, ‘when LRH called me over and said, “You’re going to be the new Captain.” I went completely numb; I was terrified. I can remember sitting at my desk with my head in my hands muttering, “Oh my God, oh my God.” As I sat there I suddenly became aware of him standing in the doorway of his cabin beckoning to me. I got up and walked over to him. He had an E-meter in one hand and he thrust the cans at me and said, “Hold these.” I stood there in the doorway while he was fiddling with the meter and then he said, “I want you to recall the last time you were Captain.”

              ‘Through the confusion and fear I was experiencing, my first thought was that this was ridiculous. Then I started to get vague impressions of a time in some past life when I was the Captain of a ship and there was a storm at sea. He said, “Very good, very good” and asked me to go back earlier and I got a very vivid flash of space ships and space travel. It was very real, not an imaginary thing at all. I told him what I had seen, that I was on some space ship being called urgently to my land base. We were going back as fast as we could when we were blown up in space by some enemy. That was followed by confusion and some spinning motion as if the space ship was disintegrating. He had me go through it again and the effects of the experience subsided a lot. “Good,” he said, “very good.” That was it.

              ‘I went up on the deck and felt the fear and terror in my stomach just disappear. I suddenly felt very able, very competent to tackle anything that came along. Next morning I had to take the ship from one side of La Goulette harbour to the other for re-fuelling, then pick up a pilot to take us out. I thought he would come out and help. No way. I saw him open the curtains of his cabin for a moment, smile to himself a little bit, then close them. I thought, “The old sod isn’t even going to give me a hand.”‘

              More here – http://www.xenu.net/archive/books/bfm/bfm17.htm#283

            • Ellen Fürst

              just read it: is it possible that it´s just about association and remembering things you saw (e.g. tv shows), read, heard about? if you tell me “starship” and “captain” Enterprise and Captain Kirk would come to my mind because it is probably association and memory, I love to watch Star Trek, add a stress situation like “hey, you gonna be captain of this ship and you got no idea”…?…have you ever seen documentary about engineering or read about it, was a family member or friend or neighbour about engineering, something like this? ok, do they just use ordinary memory and tell you something about former lifes?

              and did anybody ever try to say “no”? if you would treat me like Blubbard treated Hana next thing you gonna hear from me would be “no”, a definite, consistent, absolute no…Blubbard just did some kind of emotional abuse, he knew Hana was about him and he used it…Hana should have said: No…

            • aegerprimo

              I never questioned the “whole track memories” the Scientology belief that we all lived past lives for trillions of years. First of all, I was a gullible person when I joined. Scientology is presented as scientific, that Hubbard was an engineer, a nuclear physicist, he did RESEARCH. Then there is the e-meter. It seems a scientific way to address and help find the things in a person’s mind that makes them insane, or sick. I know now it’s all bullshit, Hubbard’s credentials are lies (he never got a college degree). These “whole track memories” ARE imagination, and where they come from would vary from individual to individual. Like you mentioned, they could be triggered from movies, books, TV, stories from your grandpa… who knows? I personally have a very vivid imagination.

              Read Jon Atack’s book “A Piece of Blue Sky”https://www.flickr.com/photos/120371503@N05/sets/72157642802079293/
              Jon was a full-blown member of the cult, and then came to doubt… He is a VERY intelligent man (Tony has interviewed him often here at the Bunker). His book explains the phenomena you ask about, makes it understandable to a “never-in” like you (as the ex-scientologists call those who were never involved with the cult of scientology).

              Ellen, I appreciate you coming here taking the effort to understand.

            • Ellen Fürst

              hey, I try to understand…;-)…but it´s not easy, imagine a teenager and you try to tell him: no internet, no tv, no newspaper…;-)…but ex-scientologists and members of other cults do not protest and don´t do e.g. newspaper anymore…read Church of Fear, liked it because it explains how the defamation works and because the story of the mum, daughter with cult, not talking to mum anymore, mum talks to press, daughter knocking on the door, mum don`t talk to press anymore, daughter (with cult) gone…really nice…(irony)…read Combatting Cult Mind Control, hard read, I understood the words, the language but I didn`t understand how it works, still think if Steven Hassan turned around the weekend he was invited without knowing it was a Moonie weekend and was told, he could not leave, it would have been the better choice, if somebody tells you you can not leave it´s probably a good idea to look for a phone to call a cab…;-)…(back in the days, no cell phones)…now waiting for Rollercoaster out of Hell but maybe I try a Piece of Blue Sky…hope you are fine and I`m sorry I answer that late but had lot of things to do…

            • Ellen Fürst

              what is Scientology in Panama and since when? a cult, a club, a company or a religion? or is it nothing else but a damned ship with asbestos owned by e.g. a company or a club? and who sells the cruises on this ship, read something about “Maiden Voyages” this year, who makes money with the Freewind?

            • aegerprimo

              The Church of Scientology sells “cruises” to the ship. People do scientology courses and auditing there – and OT VIII which is the highest level on the scientology “bridge to total freedom”.

              I am sure there are ports the Freewinds cannot enter. I don’t think it was ever an agenda to come to any U.S. port. It seems the ship stays in the Caribbean, especially the Nertherlands Antillies (Curacao, Bonaire, Aruba). IMO, the Co$ has paid the port authorities of the Netherlands Antillies a lot of money to land there. I saw this interesting info at WWP about a monument that was erected in Curacao for the Freewinds recently. Here are pics of the ceremony. https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/tracking-of-the-freewinds.50634/page-27#post-2441720

            • Ellen Fürst

              why do they never laugh? no teeth on the pictures, no laughing…one of the girls i a grey kind of uniform and sunglasses looks as if she is crying…

              thought about it:
              we know it`s a ship, owned by a c o m p a n y, ship registered in Panama or Curacao, Curacao belongs to Kingdom of Netherlands, so ship acutally can be controlled or checked

              b u t

              we don`t know much and we don`t got the facts (asbestos, registry) we need

              so:
              tax exemption

              ship, owned by a U S c o m p a n y, ship registered probably in Curacao or Panama

              Scientology, several organisations tax exemeption in US, selling cruises on a ship, owned by a U S company

              is anything related to the cruises tax exempted, was any cruise bought with money saved or made by or with or under tax exemption and why should a cruise be tax exempted? and why should a religion sell cruises? and who makes money with cruises and were is the money from and were does it go?

              if staff on ship is recruited in SeaOrg, it can`t be expensive to operate the ship, because SeaOrg members just earn 20 Dollars a week, if there can be SeaOrg Members (related to US religion) at all on a ship owned by a company…

              ok, is the ship a problem so far a s tax exemption is concerned? is it business, religion or just a ship with asbestos?

      • Pierrot

        Tracking you, you had a screen grab of JJ spamming, where can I find it , thanks

        • aegerprimo

          Sorry, stepped out. It is on the Taking down CL thread as well.
          Refresh, here it is…

      • Pierrot

        Found the screen grab, thanks
        see my post about the 2,500 years (2 or 3 minutes ago, top of today’s Bunker’s thread

  • Bury_The_Nuts

    Well, I read far enough down through the comments to realize that I should have not read so far down through the comments.

  • media_lush

    well bugger me, even one of the internets biggest tech sites is having a go at Tommy Girl:

    “If we’re going to be blunt, Tom Cruise’s reputation fell when he told the world about Scientology and people became interested enough in it to find out how absolutely horrifying it is” … they basically called out that LA article as being total bullshit

    https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20140603/12104527444/why-has-tom-cruises-reputation-faltered-pshh-because-internet-course.shtml

    • Troy MacGyver SP

      Great article , Lush. And even better comments. People have figured out this $cion business is evil garbage.

    • MaxSpaceman

      Thanks for finding/posting! Great-

      “Tom Cruise’s reputation fell when he told the world about Scientology
      and people became interested enough in it to find out how absolutely
      horrifying it is, when he told the public that they shouldn’t take
      prescribed antidepressant’s and that you could combat suicide with his
      most odd of religions, and when he appeared strange and manic on a whole
      series of appearances…”

      • Barbara Angel

        tommy davis and his vicious revolting behaviour was the catalyst for me and probably many, many others who didn’t have co$ on our radar. Without tommy boy I would never have really known about co$ and it’s despicable racket. But tommy c also deserves credit for causing people to stop, look, read, learn and Despise.
        So thank you of the Decade goes to the two tommy boys, they’ve done a huge amount to call attention to something evil, which many of us would never have known about.

        • Elar Aitch

          Tom Cruise was the catalyst for me too, though it was less to do with him being revolting and vicious – more weird and dickhead-y

          • Barbara Angel

            Lucky for the world those two twisted fools brought attention to their cult.
            Most usually just ignore co$ but thanks to the fabulous INTERNET, they can’t hide anymore, or as previously mentioned sue everyone. mustravage must be ballistic over things that are now publicly/globally shared about his cruel, criminal, vicious racket.
            The best part is: “He can’t shut us all up”…And he’s being exposed daily.
            Bubba’s waiting for you davey and he’s not happy at being kept waiting.

        • richelieu jr

          I was slow too– It wasn’t until the second time they sued me for a million dollars for a short comedy film that I started to wonder why they were so damn touchy.

          • Barbara Angel

            Wow, you’re one brave man to take them on, by accident or otherwise.
            The million dollars is to make ordinary people cringe and remain silent.
            Repeat:
            We now Have the Internet and they can’t sue ALL of us. {heeheehee evil cackle}.
            But I’m really sorry those evil bastards came after you with such terrifying Force.
            I would have cringed and remained silent. A million dollars is a lot of money for people like us who *don’t dedicate* every waking moment to ***Exhorting*** anyone and everyone into bankruptcy.

            • richelieu jr

              Oh, I hate to disappoint you, but I wasn’t brave, and I didn’t “take them on”…
              They just came after me, the star of the piece, and then the network (who, surprisingly perhaps, backed me up.

              As soon as it was clear we weren’t just caving the lawsuit seemed to just evaporate; It was bullying, plain and simple, which explains the ridiculous sum demanded. The pieces were so tame that they had no real chance of winning in court, so they just tried to scare me– I was just a kid of 23 or so and I think they thought I’d run crying home…
              As it happens, I never really had to make the choice because it was over my head, above my pay grade and then over so very fast. The second piece never aired though, I don’t know why, but perhaps they succeeded in burying it; If so, they spent a lot of money for very little.

              The only part in it was people hding cans an saying funny things, nothing directly about Scientology even…

  • media_lush

    I have a new follower on Disqus…. I think he definitely wins deranged comment of the day

    pic

    http://www.aintitcool.com/node/67557#comment-1423426095

    • Barbara Angel

      Oh media, you and your fan club. Thankfully this is a good sign, the next time that shithead sees something about co$ they will take the trouble to look it up for sure. Keep planting those seeds please.
      From one of your greatest fans. BA

    • aegerprimo

      “The Manos” is a bit touchy….

      • Espiando

        Wait until he sees my riposte. He’ll be really, really touchy.

        • richelieu jr

          Do post…

    • Mark

      Several really bad cases of chronic adjectival monotony over there – if you manage to stir even one of them out of their “I’m living The Big Bang Theory for real” smugness – so much the better.

      • media_lush

        I think it was the “Xenulicous!” that set him off

        pic

        • Mark

          Snicker! He probably likes Teletubbies even more than TC: “Again! Again!”

          • Espiando

            Whenever he sees Cruise, he can’t keep his hands off his Tinky Winky.

            • Mark

              While he’s sitting on his Po.

            • Espiando

              And going Laa-Laa until he’s all Dipsy.

            • richelieu jr

              With his Hands of Fate.

        • Jimmy Threetimes

          Ahh. I thought maybe you had turned down his invitation to prom or something.

    • richelieu jr

      I don’t suppose it would take them to long to find that guy’s ruin, would it?

      Right now I’d guess it’s spending too much money an film tix he doesn’t really want just because someone disagrees with him on the net. Perhaps had the Scilons said they didn’t want him and he was a doo-doo head he wold have joined up twice just to spite them.

      Be sure and note those directions to the Celeb Centre (It’s just off Franklin!), and get yourself an internet site whiel you’re at it, huh? The guy’s actually got a lot of great advice when you think about it.

  • CJTX

    Off-Topic, but ICYMI.

    (NEWSER) – Casey Kasem is now in critical condition, a hospital spokesperson in Washington state tells CNN, while a rep for Kasem’s daughter confirms to People that the 82-year-old’s health is “worse.” Kasem was hospitalized Sunday after a long battle between his children and his wife, Jean, and as of yesterday, his children were gathering there to be with him. Despite the gloomy news, the feud keeps getting more bizarre: On Wednesday, Jean Kasem filed court papers alleging that Kasem’s daughter Kerri wants to donate her father’s $80 million fortune to the Church of Scientology, NBC Newsreports.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/06/as-casey-kasems-health-wo_n_5462196.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592

  • Hamtaro

    So many comments today about Tom Cruise and his new movie, but not one serious review. How can we have a truly intellectual discussion/joking & degrading session without an informed, substantive film review?

    In that vein, I humbly submit: A BUNKER FILM REVIEW by Hamtaro
    Tonight’s film: Edge of Tomorrow

    Having read several reviews before I watched the movie, I’m going to admit: I was ready to be impressed! Two hundred million dollar budget, America’s only remaining movie star, a cute girl with talent…all the elements were there. I have a personal ethical dilemma with paying money to view a film headed up by TC, so I popped over to my favorite illegal streaming site (it’s http://www.primewire.ag, but don’t go there, because it’s
    likely illegal) and watched the nicely-recorded copy made by some other ticket-buying attendee. The volume was recorded very, very low, so turn it way up or connect it to your TV…if you’re a complete criminal!
    Otherwise, don’t watch this illegally recorded copy! This is the last time I’ll warn you.

    The first thing I noticed: in this movie, Tom is not infallible. Tom is a coward. Was this going to a real-life
    biography of the world’s most famous and second-most-powerful Scientologist? Alas, it was not to be. What comes next is fairly standard fare about aliens coming to take over the Earth (note the sub-standard
    CGI showing thousands of troops marching across some English airfield. I’m not even particularly picky about CGI and I thought “boo”)…but I digress. What follows are all the usual sci-fi tropes and scenarios.
    Each one involving TC as the heroic, messianic figure. I bet you didn’t see that one coming!

    There appear to be two schools of critical thought regarding this movie: 1. that it’s not as good as other sci-fi offerings and 2. that people just love to hate on movies based on video games, or movies based on books that became the basis for a video game or something, I don’t play so this one is confusing to me but I will attempt to address it later in my review.

    As to #1: c’mon man, I’ve seen sci-fi done up right. I saw the original Alien in the theatre and it scared me out of my pants. I even saw Prometheus and, though I left a bit confused, it was aaawwwweessssooommme.

    2. video game movies-as I said before, I don’t play. Don’t now, never have. BUT…back in 2007 I saw this moive called “Hitman” with Timothy Olyphant that totally blew my socks off. I even paid to see it in the theatre after seeing it on PPV because I loved it so much. Multiple opponent swordplay in confined spaces, blisteringly hot girl/possible enemy agent, meaningful dialogue that sets the tone for the entire movie (Are you a good man?), amazing almost-real technology (bomb on door w/ marbles as early warning system in hallway combined with balcony rope escape route) Jesus wept, was I pulled in? You bet! So. the idea that someone who doesn’t play video games/read comics can’t appreciate movies like EOT is just bull hockey.

    In summary: TC gets killed, a lot, emotes a bit (something you haven’t seen since 1983’s Risky Business) and
    finally, although unsurprisingly, saves the Earth. Oh yeah, Bill Paxton is totally awesome, and there are several moments when you’ll wish he said “game over, man, game over!” He won’t say it, obviously, but you’ll wish he had! I would have given the movie 7 stars if he did.

    Conclusion: I give it 6 out of 10 stars. Better than the STARZ feature movie at 4am on a Saturday, but definitely not worth paying ten bucks to see in a theatre. Wait for it to appear on a streaming site or torrent site and
    just watch this bland bit of star vehicle dreck for free…oh wait….

    • Baby

      Bravo Ham.. I would be happier though with 0- 10 stars.. ; 0

      • Hamtaro

        Since I’m actively working to destroy his opening weekend gross, I felt compelled to be gracious with the rating.

        • Baby

          Hey I’ll take the 6 then.. especially since you wouldn’t waste $10 on it. Yay

    • media_lush

      can I ask where you watched this… I heard that the New York crowd cheered every time he was killed

      • Jimmy Threetimes

        Re-read it.

        • Hamtaro

          Thanks JimmyX3. For a moment, I thought I’d been too subtle.

          • Jimmy Threetimes

            I have a stone but Jesus told me not to throw it. 🙂

            • aegerprimo

              Glass houses without sin and all…
              Then came rotten tomatoes.

        • media_lush

          I always knew that those speed-reading courses I took were a waste of time

      • Hamtaro

        I watched it alone, but that didn’t stop me from laughing out loud every time TC got killed.

      • richelieu jr

        There were cheers in the theatre I saw it in, but it was mostly because it is a really funny, bravoura sequence where he just gets it again and again and again and it’s funny. I enjoyed it for other reasons, and I don’t imagine your average Joe dislikes seeing Cruise take it int he ehad again and again and again, but I didn’t notice anything extra…

        I’ve seen it twice now– Once in an industry screening and the second time on a great screen (I paid for another film and walked over to the other screen.

        It’s a really good, fun film, and I imagine it will do pretty well- Though not as well as it might of had it not been up against X-Men which makes it looks a bit like a home movie…

        • media_lush

          … I look forward to downloading the HD version illegally… what amuses me is that the studio must have called in a few favours to ‘place’ the movie this weekend… i.e. I’m sure they made sure it wouldn’t have any proper competition… or at least competition vying for the same demographic and what happens? … this chick flick opens to amazing figures; as I’ve already said – I don’t think the amount is going to be important here just that it has to beat the chick flick figures… if it doesn’t I reckon we’ll see MI5 put on the shelf until they get a new Ethan Hunt

          • Hamtaro

            In the 90’s I had friends who worked in the industry and if an ultra wide release tent pole didn’t make back its budget during the opening weekend, it was considered a failure. Is this still the metric, or is it now something different? Because….EOT is slated to only make back 15-20% of its budget and that seems like an abject failure.

            • media_lush

              I posted this on THR earlier tonight.

              Poison Ivy (a regular poster her) and I disagree on this but I think my drunken nights at Cannes give me a slight credence advantage… or something like that:

              for you and any others who are curious here’s the basic rule of thumb when it comes figuring ‘profit’ in Hollywood.

              A movie is regarded as a failure if it can’t break it’s budget in it’s domestic market at first run… Oblivion is still $30m shy… i.e. in the red!

              Overseas figures are nothing to do with domestic as the vast amount of takings do not go back to the studios… the rule of thumb is the studios see profit once the production budget has doubled.

              but don’t forget the PR/ad spend… Edge had a massive $100m… lets split that 30:70 domestic/overseas

              In this case Edge needs to make at least $208m in America and $416m overseas before it can be considered a “success”

              … in today’s Wall Street Journal we have this delightful quote:

              “since 2005, he has not starred in a single movie that grossed more than $100 million domestically save for two “Mission: Impossible” sequels.

              The other seven movies in which he has starred included outright flops like “Lions for Lambs” and “Rock of Ages” (in which he played a prominent supporting role but was not a lead), disappointments-but-not-disasters such as “Knight & Day,”

              and do take note, this is not me making this up this is a direct copy and paste from their site… you know, verifiable and all that!

              … ahh, the internet, a wonderful thing

              edit: give you an idea; Godzilla has passed it’s $179m budget by $20 already and X-Men will pass it’s $200m budget this weekend. (and they had way less than the $100m ad spend ear-marked for Edge)

            • Hamtaro

              Thanks ML. I’ll be paying more attention to Box Office Mojo from now on. Carry on.

          • richelieu jr

            Yes, it’ pretty hilarious, isn’t it?

    • aegerprimo

      I will wait until “Edge of TOMorrow” comes out on RED Box, same way I saw “Oblivion”.
      I only wasted $1 (and over 2 hours) to find out it was a crappy movie.

    • Jimmy Threetimes

      I was going to correct you, as this isn’t based on any specific video game, it is based on a Japanese novel. But I think the premise is so very close to almost every video game ever that it could be considered a “video game movie.”

      • Hamtaro

        Yeah, that’s why I included “read comics” because I knew it was a book, but (since I hadn’t read it) didn’t know if it was a graphic novel or regular book or first a book and then a game or what.

      • Observer

        As a gamer, I respectfully disagree you are WRONG WRONG WRONG. The only game I know of/have played with a remotely similar premise is The Legend of Zelda: Majora’s Mask, and it came out in 2000.

        • Jimmy Threetimes

          As a gamer, I respectfully disagree YOU ARE WRONG OBSERVER! After the transcendent greatness that was Ocarina of Time, Majora’s Mask was simply terrible and I don’t know why anyone even played that garbage. You are wrong and I am disappoint.

          • Observer

            I respectfully OH SCREW IT! The subject was videogames with plots similar to that of EOT, not a comparison of the relative merits of Ocarina of Time and Majora’s Mask. Majora’s Mask is the only game I’ve ever played where you had to repeat the same days over and over. Therefore I AM RIGHT AND YOU ARE WRONG!

            EDIT: pfffffffffffffft!

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              I respectfully nothing. Go beat The Legend Of Zelda: A Link To The Past (teh greatest game ever) in 10 hours with zero deaths while consuming nothing but canned Mountain Dew and then we can talk about video games. Ok?

            • Observer

              I hate pop. Fat chance that I would be able to play any game with 0 deaths (unless it’s solitaire or something). And we now obsessively play the new Mario Kart because it is fun and hilarious.

            • aegerprimo

              Wait WAT? I never got into video games, though I LOVE computers. Go figure. I am an old school nerd. To prove it, here is a pic of my Dungeons & Dragons dice collection (yes I still have it)…

            • Observer

              That’s a lotta dice!

            • aegerprimo

              Yep. I don’t mess around!

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              Wow. So that’s how you roll.

            • aegerprimo

              Yep. I have many facets.

            • Kitz

              Nice! My collection is close to that. 🙂

            • aegerprimo

              (((HUGS))) to you Kitz. ♥

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              I’ve loved every generation of Mario Kart. I have a Wii, but not Wii U. I dunno if it’s worth it the upgrade for one game, even if I do love it.

            • Observer

              For some reason in this version Luigi gives his opponents a hilarious death glare as he passes them. I highly recommend you watch the video in this link.

              http://mashable.com/2014/06/03/mario-kart-8-luigi-riding-dirty/

              And now I must bid you good night.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              I will do that now. Good night.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              Now I will watch this several times on a loop. Haha.
              So this is what the Luigi Death Stare meme is about. I’ve seen a few people mention that and didn’t really care what they meant. But that is pretty good.

            • richelieu jr

              Hey, how do you do the crossed-out writing thing?

            • Observer

              without the spaces

            • richelieu jr

              Thanks!

    • richelieu jr

      Also, I don’t imagine you saw it in 3D, did you?

      • Hamtaro

        3D? Yes, I did. I was fully cognizant of length, width and depth during the time of my viewing of this film.

  • Panopea Abrupta
    • aegerprimo

      Whew, I was just about to make a RED X post…
      Moles are whacked.

    • aegerprimo

      I just found this stupid ad in Albuquerque… (refresh for screenshot)
      Yes, worry because RED-Xers are flagging your ads.

      • Captain Howdy

        Someone should run a counter ad using this.
        ….

        • aegerprimo

          You gotta be local to run an ad…

          • Captain Howdy

            Do we have one of those?

            • aegerprimo

              Don’t know, but at WWP craigslist project, they know this. If we have an Albuquerque Bunkeroo Red-Xer, they would of course be smart and remain anonymous.

        • richelieu jr

          Looks kind of like Letterman…

        • Barbara Angel

          Best counter ads were the guy and his cat with tin foil hats, couldn’t stop laughing for ages, the image stayed in my head for hours. Made extra trips back and back to Red heart that one. Still grinning away while typing this.

  • media_lush

    on a final note here’s an off-topic selection of 4 of the best pics I came across for today

  • media_lush

    went over to imdb and screengrabbed all the “crowd reports” for Edge of Tomorrow…. doesn’t look too good

    • richelieu jr

      Can’t find the right place to comment, ML, but just a quik note on your Preston/Travolta article: He’s not “feeling up masseuses”, but rather “masseurs” who are male. Feeling up masseuses would kind of invalidate the gay thing…

      Other than that, top-notch. Really enjoying your posts..

      • media_lush

        in my defence I was probably ….well …. slightly anyway, drunk

        • Barbara Angel

          No wonder, co$ and it’s unconscionable behaviour is enough to drive anyone to the demon drink. Maybe that’s why mustravage is a piss pot.
          (piss pot, is Aussie for an habitual drunk)

  • Michael Leonard Tilse

    Here is a review of “Edge of Tomorrow” I wrote in a thread on Facebook, started by Chris Shelton:

    Hello, my name is Michael and I am a sucker for time-travel fiction.
    (Hello Michael!)

    So, I decided to spend some of my free time seeing this movie, despite my reluctance to fund anything related to Tom Cruise.
    (gasp! No!)

    Yes, Yes… I did it. I take responsibility for it. And despite my lapse, I think something good came out of it which I think in the long run can offset the $5.75 that I spent on the afternoon show of “Edge of Tomorrow.

    I think I can explain that “good” as coming from the movie being an unintentional allegory to the also fictional universe of scientology. The major theme of EOT is that, like in “Groundhog Day”, the day can repeat and repeat, perhaps forever.

    By dying TC’s character “Resets the day” back to a point before all the mayhem. In scientology scientologists believe they can “reset their life” to a new one when they die. And hope to retain the lessons of the previous life, just as TC learns from his endless day.

    (And there were very intentional and heavy handed visual and plot elements evoking the “Longest Day”, the Normandy Invasion of WWII 70 years ago today) (I think was a cheap shot, especially opening this movie on THIS day.)

    The scientologist has an out. He has a do-over. In fact, sea org members commit themselves to something like 20,000,000 do-over lives saving the universe when they sign the “billion year contract” required by the sea org. But the strongest lesson I got from this movie was this: THERE ARE NO DO-OVERS. You got this one turn around the wheel, this one life. Long or short, you do it, and you are done. Real life, this life, is not a time-travel hero saga. It is just you and me doing the best we can with what we have been dealt.

    Tom Cruise, you don’t get a do-over. What you do now matters. What I do now matters.

    Another lesson I got from this movie was “Do the right thing” no matter how hard it is, or what the consequences. A scientologist thinks they are doing the right thing but they are not, (because the information in scientology is false) the sacrifice is wasted.

    And that brings me to the final and perhaps even more important lesson from EOT: You can’t do the right thing if you have the wrong information, or even worse, misleading information. TC’s character learns this late in the game. The way he has been trying to defeat the enemy through hundreds or thousands even millions of days of repeated battle, was a false goal provided by the enemy themselves. Provided by the very entity he was fighting. Provided by the very enemy whose ability to “reset the day” was somehow transferred to him.

    What an apt analogy to scientology. The goals of scientology and the techniques of it, seemingly leading to salvation are in the end just a false mirage. The cure for Tom’s character in EOT was real information, unfiltered information as to the true nature of the enemy. How ironic (in the movie) that the only one who can believe the fantastic and grim tale he lives daily is another solider, one who lived through it too.

    Ex-scientologists have the same fate. We tell our stories, the abuse, the manipulation, the crimes, the devastating personal effects of our time in scientology and the lingering damage. And none but those who have been there believe us. Certainly not those who are still in the scientology organization, still chasing that illusion.

    For Tom’s character, truth, a truth he would not have believed, was the key to his survival. And so in the real non-do-over world of scientology, the real truth of ex-scientologists and the real unfiltered historical record of hubbard and the truth of the damage done by scientology are the way to see scientology for what it is.

    If Tom Cruise would just look for himself, gather the available information and suspend all those thought-stopping ready made explanations and LOOK. Really examine. Really pull the string on what ex-scientologists have said and what the court and Navy and FBI records show. He would have the information he needs.

    Tom Cruise, as his character, did the right thing. Did the hard thing. It is time for Tom Cruise to do it in real life, before it is too late. He isn’t going to get a do-over.

    8 mins · Like · 1

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      Well done Michael!

    • aquaclara

      Michael, I just love you. You are so smart.
      You went to see the movie??? Wow.

      There are no do -overs. As you said.

    • aegerprimo

      BEST review of the movie!.. and then some.
      Michael, you rock.

      Ex-scientologists have the same fate. We tell our stories, the abuse, the manipulation, the crimes, the devastating personal effects of our time in scientology and the lingering damage. And none but those who have been there believe us. Certainly not those who are still in the scientology organization, still chasing that illusion.

      • Barbara Angel

        Honestly aeger, at first, after researching co$ I ‘almost’ couldn’t believe this was true. It was all just SO shockingly Outrageous. But then, one by one the ‘heart wrenching’ survivors stories gutted me and I KNEW they were speaking the *Truth*.
        Even as a neverin I felt I had to do Something, Anything to help protect the world from this Evil Criminal Racket. Each new horror story coming out about co$ is just so horrific. This Unacceptable behaviour from twisted criminals claiming to have all the secrets to’ life’s problems, communication, raising happy families, being productive, financially successful, fixing relationship problems etc is…is…is…*Outrageous*, words fail me concerning co$, mustravage and his unethical behaviour backed up by his inexplicable GREED. Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr x 1,000

    • Robert Eckert

      Now you just have to reset time, not spend the $5.75 enriching Tom Cruise some more, but retain the knowledge…

      • aegerprimo

        Heh heh.

    • Shamwari

      Awesome review Michael. I can’t help but pray that he does the right thing. Hugs to you.

    • Barbara Angel

      Bit hard for him tho’ as mustravage has all his allegedly *private confessionals* on tape. Thwart mustravage at your own expense. Such is his hunger for moare moneeeeeeeeeee he wouldn’t hesitate to leak these juicy details to the tabloid press for multiple $$$$$ and then send someone to the RPF’s rpf for his own transgressions.
      Too late for TC to leave now, he’s doomed, not that I care much for him. He suffers with ‘Wilful Blindness’ to the suffering of the slaves and enjoys the adulation he receives from mustravage and his gang.
      Lay down with dogs, get up with fleas tommy boy and all the money you have in the world will not stop mustravage from throwing you to the wolves. So I hope the medal you received for being the top $cion or whatever it was (?) comforts you greatly when your good buddy mustravage, ‘out’s you to the world’.
      Good luck with that tommy boy.

  • noseinabk

    Playing catch up with the comments all day so don’t know if this has been mentioned. My two oldest are 26 and 20. If given names, you would be able to find them on 1 or 2 social media sites. If they deleted accounts you may still find them tagged in pictures or conversations. So from my very brief search for Sami Sterne, who went to public school and played team sports, I find no pics or tags online besides the ones posted today. My kids friends include a devout muslim and some stern academics, who have FB pages, yet this girl was so unpopular or restricted that she has no social media info? BS.
    If my child chose to ignore me in this way, I would inform ALL her friends of the situation and ask them to bombard her with info and support.
    Something is missing from this story.

    • aegerprimo

      Yeah…. Google “Samantha Sterne Oregon Lacrosse” ….. not much comes up. Nothing that I can make head nor tails of.

    • Troy MacGyver SP

      I don’t know I’m a private person and loath social media. My sister’s and brother’s are always getting requests from old friends looking for me. I think it is too much information. Kids killing themselves and others because they were,”de friended.” Scary,not for me.

    • Jimmy Threetimes

      You’re right, there’s something missing from this story, but it’s not her absence on Facebook or wherever else. The demographics may suggest that if you’re 16-35, you’re probably active on Facebook, Instagram, tweetsy or wherever the cool internets kids go. But there are plenty of rebellious kids who don’t care about any of that and will only talk, text or post on certain sites or chat rooms and still fit into a social circle that works for them. Facebook isn’t the end-all-be-all, if-you’re-not-here-you’re-nobody that it was once considered to be. I heard that an army of Moms invaded and it was no longer cool.

  • media_lush

    heh, heh:

    “3rd UPDATE, FRIDAY, 8:54 PM: As it stands now, Friday is shaping up to be huge at the box office for The Fault in Our Stars as the little picture that could from Fox 2000 looks like it may take home $25M tonight (includes that $8.2M late night and $25 tickets on the simulcast). Early estimates show that the picture’s three-day cume is on the high-end of $40M right now and could easily push past $50M. And that’s with an estimated 35% drop on Saturday. More later when more numbers come in, but right now, audiences are loving this movie to the moon and back.

    Edge of Tomorrow — the Tom Cruise sci-fi actioner — may come in at No. 3 for a $30M weekend behind Maleficent, which currently is tracking at around $32M. But the night is young. More to come late tonight.”

    it might not even make No 2!

    http://www.deadline.com/2014/06/the-fault-in-our-stars-stellar-8-2m-in-late-nights-edge-of-tomorrow-1-8m/

  • media_lush

    STOP PRESS, Cruises’s new auditor posts first comment on THR

    • media_lush

      … man, the crazies were out tonight… I guess tiny fists instructed his remaining OSA bots to do their best for Tommy G… although I don’t think this is one of them but I just wanted to share the crazy

      • aegerprimo

        LINKS! Please…..

        • media_lush
          • aegerprimo

            Thank you. I am a stickler… ya know. Have scalpel will travel.

            • Troy MacGyver SP

              How much for a foreskin restoration? I live in ,Monaco.

            • aegerprimo

              A hypospadias repair surgery is possible….

            • Barbara Angel

              Why bother? just stick a band aid on fake it until you make it.
              Besides they’ll never know if you keep the room dark.

          • Barbara Angel

            Thanks M/L, I’ve just popped over there to give some of the charming rondroids some useful information about tc and narCON. No moderator so it went straight up and vertical. Interesting to see the reaction to my little ‘truth’ rundown.
            Love, love, loved, the photograph and post by “Mr Cruise’s new auditor”.
            Hahahaha thanks for the laugh.

    • Troy MacGyver SP

      Where did you dig up that crazy cracker?

  • Aslansown

    I just started watching the second season of Orange is the New Black, and in the third episode some of the inmates are playing charades. The category is famous people. She only has to give one hint: “Crazy dude who believes in aliens,” and another inmate immediately says “Tom Cruise! Almost choked on my drink!

    (If this has already been posted, I apologize — I’ve been gone all day.)

    • Verve

      Ha ha!

      • Aslansown

        I know! I burst out laughing!

    • aegerprimo

      SAW THAT! I thought I was adding my own to it…. but obviously NOT.

      • Aslansown

        I thought it was hilarious because right when I got home tonight, of course the first thing I did was come here, do some red-xing, etc. then when I heard that I thought I’m spending too much time at the bunker, there’s no ways she said that….!

        • aegerprimo

          I know like a missed withhold or something… LOL

  • Baby

    Peeking in to post a video that maybe you haven’t seen yet.. Miss you.. xoxo Baby

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1_y–S8yXE

    • aegerprimo

      ♥ Baby ♥

    • Troy MacGyver SP

      miss you,too.:)

    • Aslansown

      BABEEE! I’ve been missing you but it sounds like you’re got family with you. Do you really think real life is more important than the Bunker??? RPF for you! 😉

    • Baby

      I will get all you buddies at once… Went swimming today.. and I’m pooped.. having such a good time with my nephew.. He IS WEARIN ME OUT.. GOOD GOD…

      Plus he is hawwwwwwging my computer.. but I will tell you I am Lurking in between movies ( We love movies..) and I have been his wing man a couple of times out in clubs.. I am telling you.. POOPED!

      BUT I’m doing it for his mama ( twin RIP) and can sleep after he leaves..

      Plus.. we are getting closer every day.. 2 more months..And OMG I’m COOKING! EEEEEEEEEEEEEP

      • Jimmy Threetimes

        You couldn’t have waited til you got out of the pool? Would that have been such a burden?

        Edit: I’m so sorry. Speed reading classes are a scam.

        • Baby

          Hahahhahaha.. I didn’t poop in the pool Jimmy.. This ain’t Caddy Shack.. Night all..yawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwn

          • Jimmy Threetimes

            Goodnights Baby 🙂

  • DodoTheLaser

    Another great video from Karen and Jeffrey. Love how humorous acting is intertwined with important issues!
    Thank you, guys.

  • Pierrot

    RED X +–+ RED X +–+RED X +–+ RED X

    The Boston ads are sticky, a special effort is demanded from the team
    Non participants, try your clicking fingers on Boston
    OBSTRUCT / PREVENT / RED X co$ nefarious advertising

    https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-89#post-2461374

    FREELOADER Debt is ILLEGAL and CAN’T BE ENFORCED.
    DON’T route out, BLOW, Get HELP, get OUT. CALL 1-866-XSEAORG

    Ty AP

  • EnthralledObserver

    Davey Makemerich’s latest birthday gift… solid gold bike. Sounds like something he would request, right?

    • Snippy_X

      Perfect for the psychopath that has everything, except a soul.

    • TheMirrorThetan

      Unless I read it wrong isn’t it just gold plated? For a million bucks Id want more than gold plate on my bike.

      • Snippy_X

        Yep, plated. They act like they invented the process too.

  • DodoTheLaser

    When aliens will invade this planet on 4th of July and Tom Cruise will get an Oscar for his new – part documentary, part instructional video called “The Edge of Tomorrow” – all the SP’s will repent and join the battle.
    Only Clears and OT’s will survive though.

  • Snippy_X

    OT, but …

  • DodoTheLaser

    Just watched “Edge of Tomorrow”. Good movie. Turns out Xenu looks like a cross between piranha and octopus.

  • Pierrot

    RED X +–+ RED X +–+RED X +–+ RED X

    Saturday the 7th list is up early today:
    https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-89#post-2461791

    Ty AP

  • DodoTheLaser

    TWO new posts up. Splurge on it!

    • Elar Aitch

      WhaaaaaaTTT?

      • DodoTheLaser

        It disappeared now.

        It will come back later.

        • Elar Aitch

          Something about Jon Atack. Damn – read the other one first.

          • DodoTheLaser

            Yep. I read both. And commented on both. At least it wasn’t my imagination.

  • valshifter

    Every one now working for free for scientology is guilty of perpetuating the crime of having this evil cult to continue, knowingly or unknowingly, guilty! The most horrible people in scientology are the ones that know that this is pure evil and choose to continue with it. Most of us are or were good people when we came into the cult, I surely was naïve, but slowly the cult gets rid of your goodness and implants you with evil, and there you are a product of scientology, that was my turning point when I realize that I once was good and was turning into this cold harsh monster, and I realized; that was being created by my way of thinking “scientologist like” with the lingo and all that crap that is not understood in the real world.

  • Sean

    Sami was one of my best friends in High School. She dated another friend of mine. She was one of the smartest people I know and was going places. She gave me a shirt for that Christmas and I gave her a hug right before she left for that camp. She never cared to much about Scientology before then but that was the last time I ever saw her. In January she broke up with my friend who said it came out of nowhere, with no warning. Something changed dramatically during her time in Florida at the Scientology camp that her dad coerced her into attending. She hasn’t spoken to me or anyone else we knew since and I might never understand how a person can completely shut out everyone they love.

    • Mary Jane Sterne

      Thank you Sean for sharing this, it will help.. The truth is really what matters and I am so thankful that you took the time to share what you shared with Sam. She never did like Scientology and having your input on it helps.. Thank you.. Love Mary Jane.. Sami’s mom

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  • Visas and Work Permits Dubai

    This is an interesting read.

  • D3nker

    Im curious if anyone have some new informations about Sami – I read this article with very much interrest and I really hope that her mother will hear from her very soon. I feel with the family because the “disconnection-thing” must be a complete horror-show that hopefully will end some day. at least the day Co$ will fall into pieces. Never give up hope!