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‘Chicago Fire’ actor Christian Stolte sets off an alarm about Scientology and the actors’ union

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UPDATE: SAG-AFTRA’s publication will no longer sell ads to Scientology. See update below.

Christian Stolte is well known here at the Underground Bunker both for his recurring role in the NBC drama Chicago Fire, but also because he’s a knowledgeable critic of Scientology who has been a regular presence here.

When Kirstie Alley appeared to take potshots at Leah Remini for leaving Scientology in 2013, Stolte went after Alley on Twitter in a very entertaining way. It was then that we learned what an expert he is on Scientology and that he was a regular reader here.

Stolte doesn’t talk about it a lot, but he had his own encounter with Scientology and spent years getting away from it. He’s a harsh detractor who has encouraged other actors leaving the group, including his fellow Chicago Fire cast member, Jason Beghe, who left Scientology in 2008.

So imagine Stolte’s reaction when he opened up the latest edition of the magazine of SAG-AFTRA (the Screen Actors Guild‐American Federation of Television and Radio Artists), the union he’s belonged to for more than twenty years, and saw this…

 
SAGAFTRA

 
There on the left, next to the magazine’s masthead, was an advertisement for Scientology: A New Slant on Life, a book that introduces some of Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard’s concepts about the human mind. It’s designed to pique interest and get people into Scientology itself, which is a very involved endeavor that ends up becoming very expensive and requires a heavy indoctrination into Hubbard’s way of thinking.

Stolte is well aware of the many controversies dogging Scientology as it gets more desperate to find new recruits, including allegations of human trafficking, child labor under extreme conditions, two decades of forced abortions, yearslong sentences to the church’s own gulag-like prisons, and other shocking and well-documented abuses told by former members. Stunned that SAG-AFTRA would get involved with Scienotology, Stolte fired off this letter to the editors of the publication and posted a copy of it to his Facebook timeline…

Dear Editors,

I’m going to try to state this calmly, but make no mistake — it is in no way acceptable that my union is permitting the evil cult of scientology to advertise in the pages of our magazine.

Do you have any idea how much damage these greedy, unethical monsters have done to thousands of well-meaning, gullible people and their families? Are you honestly unaware of the heinous crimes they’ve been guilty of? I urge you to read up on this cult and their crimes, because as a member of this union for twenty-some years, I will not tolerate even one more instance of opening your magazine and seeing an advertisement (and tacit endorsement) of this corrupt, unethical organization. Having endured an 18-year personal battle with various tentacles of Scientology, and knowing more than most about how they operate, and the slimy, criminal practices that constitute their playbook, I am ashamed that my union would have any traffic with them whatsoever. It is appalling to think that even one member of my community would be drawn into the toxic arms of this cult because he trusted something he saw in his union’s glossy-paged magazine.

I urge you to rectify this, and to sever connections immediately. If my union fails to do the right thing here, you will be hearing from me again, and the next time I will be loud, and public.

Christian Stolte
SAG/AFTRA member
Chicago Branch

A day after sending that letter, Stolte told us he still hadn’t received a response. But he has heard from a lot of fellow actors, who told Stolte they would be sending in their own messages.

“It seems quite a few folks are taking up arms over this, which makes me proud of my fellow actors, and generally optimistic that we’ll put a stop to this,” he says. “A couple friends of mine are in elected positions with the union, and they were unaware of this situation. They — along with every other actor I know who has weighed in — are on my side on this, and vehemently so.”

There was a time when you would hear that Scientology was “powerful” in Hollywood. But no more. As we pointed out earlier, the actors who make up Scientology’s most well known “celebrities” are pretty much the same list they’ve had for the past 20 years. And there’s more and more anecdotal evidence that Scientology just isn’t feared in the cinematic arts as it once might have been.

But Scientology definitely still targets actors, particularly struggling ones, for recruitment. Steven Mango made that obvious in his film earlier this year. Although he was only getting low-paying parts as an extra, Mango explained that he was under constant pressure to spend thousands of dollars on Scientology courses he couldn’t afford. At one point, he was surrounded by about ten Scientology staff members who all used their iPads at the same time to apply for new credit cards for Mango so he could spend money he didn’t have.

But the deceptive come-on and the pressure to pay increasing prices are only the beginning of Scientology’s many controversies. Stolte asked us if we had a primer on them, and we wish we did. We’ll just offer a few links for beginners who might be wondering why people who leave Scientology say such damaging things about it.

— Scientology is a deeply homophobic organization that believes its processes are a kind of ‘gay therapy.’
— From approximately the late 1980s until 2010 when the practice was exposed by the St. Petersburg Times, Scientology forced young women in its “Sea Organization” to have abortions if they became pregnant.
— Members who dare to criticize Scientology can be declared “suppressive,” and all other members are ordered to “disconnect” from them, even if it means splitting up families. The church denies that this is mandated by the organization, but stunning examples keep emerging that the practice is used as harshly as ever.
— Scientology operates from a Cold-War playbook that cannot be altered since the death of the founder, L. Ron Hubbard, in 1986. That includes an obsession with spying and retaliating against former members and other critics. Current leader David Miscavige even spent $10 to 12 million to have one man, a former church executive, watched like a hawk for 24 years.
— Scientologists are indoctrinated that Scientology has all of the answers to everything. And so leaving the organization is akin to suicide. When members do make a run for it, they are put under intense pressure to return and “route out properly” — a clever manipulation that actually routes people back in. Sinar Parman, a longtime member of the church, had to escape five separate times before he finally stopped falling for the “routing out” ruse.
— What is the aim of those expensive courses? After years of study, prices can reach up to a thousand dollars an hour for counseling as Scientologists perform exorcisms on themselves in order to remove unseen entities that stick to them like parasites. These “body thetans” are left over from a galactic genocide that Hubbard said happened 75 million years ago. Besides making for great material for a 2005 episode of South Park, Scientologists really do pay hundreds of thousands of dollars to rid themselves completely of these unseen pests.
— And maybe the most objectionable fact about Scientology is that it tries to keep all of this behavior secret. New recruits are never told that eventually they’ll be paying hundreds of dollars an hour to remove invisible space cooties with the help of a crude device called an e-meter. And that’s the answer to the inevitable refrain you hear in online forums that “all religions have crazy beliefs and are all the same.” At least other organizations are up front about what they believe. Scientology won’t even tell its own members what they’re in for — not, at least, until they’ve forked over hundreds of thousands of dollars and isolated themselves from friends or family who might discourage them.
— At least today, with the help of Google, adults should have some idea of what they’re in for before they join Scientology. But increasingly in the last ten years, it’s the children who have grown up in Scientology, without a choice in the matter, who have become the focus of press accounts. For a great rundown of what it’s like to grow up in Scientology, we recommend a terrific article by Derek Bloch.

There are so many important stories that describe Scientology’s manipulation of members, indoctrination of children, intense pressure on members to impoverish themselves in order to donate, and the fear all Scientologists go through as they worry about losing all contact with their own family members in case one of them is declared suppressive. There’s the intellectual bankruptcy of “study tech,” the dead patients at Scientology’s drug rehab centers, the shocking deprivations of the “RPF,” the Orwellian double-think of Scientology’s internal justice, the ingrained snitching culture which encourages family members to turn each other in for daring to question doctrine. The list goes on and on. We’re sure our readers can come up with many more links and suggestions for the new reader who wants to learn what makes this organization a shocking partner for SAG-AFTRA, which is supposed to have the welfare of its members in mind.

 
UPDATE: THE UNION SIDES WITH STOLTE. Christian just sent us this message…

Hey, Tony. Just sitting on set, reading the lively Bunker commentary, when I got a message from an actor buddy. He shared an email SAG-AFTRA sent in response to his letter, so I checked my inbox, and here you go (same reply as his). That didn’t take long.

And here’s the email from the SAG-AFTRA magazine editor, who says the publication will not be selling ads to Scientology in the future…

Dear Mr. Stolte,

Thank you for your recent communication regarding the magazine ad promoting an L. Ron Hubbard book.

While we included this ad for a book by the founder of Scientology, we have not endorsed and do not endorse Scientology nor any other religious system or philosophy. That’s not the role of your union and we fully recognize that.

We strive to include editorial content and promotional advertising material that speaks to the interests of our large and diverse membership. That is not always easy to do given the size of our membership and their many and varied interests. Sometimes, we may not completely hit the mark and some members may dislike or disagree with a particular ad. That seems to have happened in this case.

We support every individual’s right to free expression as well as our members’ inherent rights to choose their own reading material, but have determined that further advertising of this nature may not be in keeping with our magazine’s mission to serve the interests of all members.

We appreciate your input and will not be including further material from this advertiser or any other religious organization in the future.

Thank you once again for sharing your opinion with us.

All the best,

Pam Greenwalt
Editor-In-Chief, SAG-AFTRA Magazine

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on December 4, 2014 at 07:00

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  • Science Doc

    Gillman Springs Road in Hemet this morning. F5

    • Sid

      Someone’s going to the RPF for causing this.

      • Free Minds, Free Hearts

        Exactly.

      • Todd Tomorrow

        They are just making things for the RPF er’s to do.

      • Observer

        Does anyone know where Miscavige is erupting with rage these days–is he back at Int or still making Clearwater miserable?

        • Science Doc

          I would really like to see some kind of tracking study on Migratory Miscavige. Some kind of radio tracking collar. Failing that Tony should do a story summarizing all we know about his various habitats.

          • Sid

            Are you suggesting coconuts migrate? (Monty Python reference)

          • Observer

            As long as there’s no mating behavior data collected … *shudder*

            • Science Doc

              That would require a high frame rate.

          • Todd Tomorrow

            Ah, kind of how we track the Fleawinds. My girlfriend is a vet I could ask her how that chipping technology works. I know they are going from the chips just having info to an owner being able to track them. Wait, lets not give HIM any ideas. “Line up and drop ’em Sea Arger’s, “this tracking device will bleep for a billion years.”

          • They do make ankle bracelets for exactly that purpose.

          • Free Minds, Free Hearts

            A tracking collar on the little guy would be great! Maybe we could get the lady from last year with the tampon camera to sneak in and attach it…

          • Stacy

            We need to dart him and snap one of those tags through his ear. Let’s see him evade us then, sneaky midget!

        • Sid

          I’m kind of out of the loop on this one right now.

        • Free Minds, Free Hearts

          I also really wonder where the little captain is right now…

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      This cannot be right!
      No. No. NO.
      We all know that Oatee powers can divert inclement weather.

      Get your ethics in (Science Doc…if that is even your real name) and quit spreading entheta or there will lower conditions on your whole track for the next billion years!

      • Science Doc

        How is that OT parking spot in Hemet working out? F5

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          MESTy

        • Stacy

          For some reason this just makes me feel like bursting into song ☺️

        • Looks like the levee done broke on Lil Davey.

    • Ella Raitch

      Altogether now “They pulled it in”.

  • ScientologyDoesNotExist

    Because a real Super Power doesn’t need a trophy, but I’d buy him a beer.

    http://i.imgur.com/oViytt3.jpg

  • Baby

    Christian Stolte.. Thank you from the bottom of my Bunker heart for all that you have done to become a vocal warrior for educating the public about this evil Cult.

    You took immediate action and it has been rectified. I respect Pam Greenwalt’s immediate reply. Kudos for those who listen to the ” Message..” xo Baby

  • “A New Slant on Life” makes me think of those 60s TV Batman villain lairs that they filmed with the camera tilted.

    • Science Doc

      I haven’t seen that trick since Battlefield Earth.

      • Todd Tomorrow

        Even, The Human Centipede got a sequel and a cult following. Laughed yesterday when Marc Headly said, BM tried to blame its failure on an,”out ethics”, Travolta. Including a description of something in Bobarino’s mouth. One would think he’d have packed up and left ages ago. That ethics file must be something he’s truly ashamed of.

    • Todd Tomorrow

      BM would have made a great villain on that show. Just can’t think of a name for the character. But, the “Menacing Midget has returned to Gotham city with his group of brainwashed Naval forces.” Somebody help me think of a name.

      • Robert Eckert

        The Joker’s new partner, the Degrader?

        • Hey, the Joker might be crazy, but he’s not that crazy!

        • richelieu jr

          The Abbreviator…

          The Inch-Worm..

          The Poker..

          Small Fry..

          The Tom Cruiser…

          for my personal fave:

          “The Short-Orderer”

  • Douglas D. Douglas

    Some more shots of the news reports coming out on the flooding in Gillman:

  • FollowTheMoney

    SAG disconnects from scientology… finally a disconnection I can feel good about.

  • nottrue
    • ze moo

      Picture is of Golden Era fence and the KESQ report prominently mentions Golden Era. F5

      • Free Minds, Free Hearts

        Looks like they pulled it in.

  • Truthiwant

    That’s a great letter that Christian Stolte wrote and the reply from SAG-AFTRA Magazine is exactly what I would have expected after such a convincing and powerful criticism.

    Hey, I haven’t been around for some days, but I took a photo this afternoon as I was driving near a well known place to all of us on The Bunker. I couldn’t resist taking a snap from the car…

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      I hope you drove by very, very fast and waved with one finger.

      Even if they couldn’t see you do it….they could probably perceive your counter intention.

      • Truthiwant

        The photo was taken from the M23 motorway going down towards Brighton, about 12 miles from Saint Hill, and after doing a few things, I left from Gatwick Airport back to Venice.
        I don’t know if counter-intention manages to travel as far as 12 miles.
        But if it does, Saint Hill at the moment is stinking from my farts! (I hope that word doesn’t upset Google)

      • Since s/he stayed on the motorway, yup, they were going pretty fast.

        Always cracks me up, East Grinstead being next to Crawley (because of Aleister Crowley). Just me being childish, I guess 🙂

  • 1subgenius

    “Sometimes, we may not completely hit the mark…”
    Wow. That’s really taking a stand.
    I find the letter to be full of weasel.

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      Fence sitting is tough on the crotch!

      • 1subgenius

        Gee, am I the only one who thinks that?
        It was a good opportunity to take a stand. And it easily could have been done with class and aplomb.
        Shades of Hollywood’s guts in the McCarthy era.
        “There’s no need to be evasive:
        Money talks, and it’s persuasive.”
        (Declan Patrick Aloysius McManus aka Elvis Costello)
        Maybe Mr. Stolte could do a little more nudging.
        I was in Michigan City Indiana today, and it brought joy to my heart to see many “Proud Union Family” signs on lawns.

        • Sherbet

          The end result justified the weasel words. I call it diplomacy, not fence-sitting. Anyway, no more sci ads, and that’s all CS asked for at this point.

          • 1subgenius

            Meh. Diplomacy is for when there is something at stake.
            This is a moral, ethical issue, and nothing to lose, by doing the right thing.

            • Baby

              Really.. I saw her writing the E mail Hanging from the cross with blood dripping..hmmm

        • Baby

          Oh crab apple.. We are enjoying our Apple Pie.. ( ha) You are a man.. we understand

          • 1subgenius

            Yeah I hate when folks piss in my cornflakes too.

            • Baby

              Hahha..

              When I worked with Pregnant and parenting teens I was in charge of hiring their Day Care Workers for their babies..

              One woman applied..I did her Background Check and she had CHILD ABUSE CONVICTION on her record..

              I was so outraged I wrote a letter ( Before E mail) that read..

              ” How dare you apply for the Day Care position knowing full well that you have a Child Abuse Conviction of your record. You make me sick.

              You can’t even be trusted to take care of your own children and you expect me to trust you with the children in our facility? How dare you apply!

              ………………………………………

              My friend came into my office.. read the letter and said.. ” Uh..You have officially lost it! Just write..

              ” After reviewing your background check it appears that this position would not be suitable for you. Sincerely blah, blah, blah..”

              ………………………………………….

              So yep.. I am picking up what you are putting down sub..

        • Captain Howdy

          I said “Possession” and I was right and I still got it.

          • 1subgenius

            Of course.
            From the most prolific, great lyricist in the English language.
            By a mile.
            Yeah, you still got it.

        • Jimmy3

          What would you have them say? I don’t really understand your complaint.

          • 1subgenius

            Oh, I could do a million, but something to the effect of acknowledging the truth of what Mr. Stolte stated, and putting something in place to see that it doesn’t happen again.

            My complaint is that it was pulled, and the reason given did not do this.

            The letter is understandable in light of the fact that the someone who let/made it happen is clueless and/or gutless, and that’s a problem.

            They apparently, as so many other entities, are unable or unwilling to stand up for the truth. This was a moment to do so. A storm would ensue, but someone, somewhere, sometime needs to do this. If not me, who? If not now, when?

            You can be damn sure that after the cult collapses there will be many who will say, “Oh, yeah, everybody knew that” (I guess like the new insurance commercial), but who in the meantime are content to do nothing.

            Sorry to all for the rant. I’ve got to remember to burn that soapbox.

            • Ella Raitch

              Now why would you apologise for having a slightly different view to other people?

            • Jimmy3

              They agreed to refuse all Scientology ads going forward. That’s a win. You’re complaining that they didn’t spike the ball hard enough. That’s something else.

            • 1subgenius

              They didn’t tell the truth.
              Either they pulled it because it’s an evil thing, and didn’t say so, or they weaseled out and just pulled it under pressure and not because it’s the right thing to do.
              Yes, I’m nitpicking, quibbling, ungrateful, all that and more.
              In fact, I’m one of those in hell who want ice water.
              And what good is cake if you can’t eat it? I could never figure that one out.

          • 1subgenius

            “But I upvoted for “full of weasel.””

            You, sir, have nonunimpeccable taste.
            I, for one, will be proud to be among those who don’t neglect to step forward to signal my absence of a lack of appreciation for your judgement.

            • Jimmy3

              Upvoted for “nonunimpeccable”

        • ScientologyDoesNotExist

          Maybe SAG only has 139 lawyers.

      • Todd Tomorrow

        Ouch!

  • HillieOnTheBeach

    I may have missed it if anyone mentioned this already but notice:

    “Christian Stolte is well known here at the Underground Bunker both for his recurring role in the NBC drama Chicago Fire, but also because he’s a knowledgeable critic of Scientology who has been a regular presence here.

    Am I the last to know?

    • Qbird

      yes.

      sweetie.

      • HillieOnTheBeach

        Figures. I was also surprised when Richard Chamberlain came out.

        FML

        • Sherbet

          I’m clueless, too. If he hangs around here, he doesn’t post much. Either that, or he’s got some brilliant name I’ve never deciphered.

          • Qbird

            One day, hopefully sooner than later, we’ll find out who is who. And then we’ll laugh.
            I have laughed more today reading the comments than I have in a long time Sherbet!
            It feels good.

            • HillieOnTheBeach

              “I don’t put out fires just on tv, baby”
              *finger snap*

            • Sherbet

              It sure does. Sometimes I’m afraid I go way too far off course just to make a joke. But then I do it anyway.

          • Bury_The_Nuts

            Or maybe it is too obvious.

            • Jimmy3

              I hate when you do this. But I also love it.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              I just like to keep ya all jumping. I don’t know squat!

            • Ella Raitch

              It;s you isn’t it Jimmy

            • Jimmy3

              No, but that was a good guess.

            • Vaquera

              Can one be a “regular presence” by solely lurking?

            • Jimmy3

              I assumed Tony meant “regular presence” in that he’s featured in the posts or mentioned in the comments often, not necessarily that he’s a regular commenter. That said, I think Christian Stolte is either “1 Guest vote” or Captain Howdy.

            • Tony Ortega

              Meaning that he’s here every day reading, and on some days comments. But I’m not revealing his handle.

            • Qbird

              Fine as kind TO.

            • HillieOnTheBeach

              Oh noes, not another nightjar?!

            • Baby

              Q.. I am breathless.. Never speechless.. But Breathless.. wow

            • FromPolandWithLove

              What an amazing creature ! 🙂

            • Jimmy3

              Now I’m going to find Stolte. And when I do, I will keep it quiet. But I will quietly ask if he wants to be my BFF bestie.

          • Observer

            CYE

        • Qbird

          Richard Chamberlain came out?

          Welp, I AM the last to ‘know’ that.

          • HillieOnTheBeach

            Hi Chris.

            Thumbs up to you.

          • Baby

            OMG Q… I can’t stop laughing.. My Grandmother who died 20 years ago TOLD ME..

            • Qbird

              holy crap – that long ago even…
              I just don’t pay enough attention, Baby!

            • Captain Howdy

              Back in the early 80’s this guy who was drinking at the bar I use to hang at said he was a Hollywood tech type. The people in the bar were talking about Rock Hudson and this guy said that two other guys who were gay were Chamberlain and…Burt Reynolds.

            • Qbird

              Burt? No. Get the flock outta here.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              Your saying a cigar was not the only thing, The Bandit was smoking on?

            • Kim O’Brien

              gay bar here in Denver has the Burt nude/ photo spread from Cosmo ..blown up and hung over the bar.Trufax

            • Baby

              It has always been speculated.. and he did hang out with many gays and bi’s in his day..

              ( Dom Delouise/ Bi) Burt is in love with Burt..ha..

              I met Burt when I lived in Toledo. Do you remember when Klinger would talk about Tony Packo’s restaurant in Toledo? Famous for their Hungarian Hot Dogs

              http://www.tonypacko.com/history.php

              I was not there that day that he signed him ” Bun..” but was a regular there along with other bartenders and waitresses in the area..( In the 70s) Nancy Packo became friends with us.. ( Think Cheers) ( OMG without Krusty allyecat)

              Burt became friends with Nancy Packo and when he was in Toledo or around the area he would ” Pop in ” We met several celebrities.. ( Soupy Sales was an Asholler)

              One thing I will say.. When Aides hit the scene ( early 80’s) Burt lost a lot of traction in the industry because he had lost a lot of weight during that time.

              He was diagnosed with TMJ due to getting hit with a chair during a movie scene..

            • Sarah James

              His mother was my aunt’s neighbor in Oakland in the 60’s.

            • Baby

              That’s cool.. Sarah..

          • Stacy

            Nope. I would be the last to know. Now I do.

            • Baby

              You Guys have got to get a life and Read GOSSIP.. For God’s sake.. I can’t do all the work for you.. hahaha

            • HillieOnTheBeach

              Now go ahead and watch The Thornbirds again.

            • Qbird

              Bwahahaha.

          • Captain Howdy

            Did ya know Steve McQueen was bi-sexual?

            • Sherbet

              No! The King of Cool was also the King of Culo?

              Oh, my God, I can’t believe I said that. But I did, and it’s staying.

            • Captain Howdy
            • Qbird

              No I did not ‘know’ this… how the heck do you think I’d know something like that, Capt?!

              My Mom loved Burt. I remember watching the talk show, Dinah Shore, with her, folding clothes together while we watched TV. My Ma giggled and said, “She’s his girlfriend, ya know.” He was talking about the upcoming movie Deliverance. He broke his arm during the filming. He said the director wanted to put a dummy in the canoe and film that going over the waterfall… but he was young & tough & had done all of his own stunts and insisted on doing it himself, for real. The scene they shot was him, doing that!
              Dinah: “Well, how did that turn out on film?”
              Burt [laughs]: “It looks real! It looks like a dummy in a canoe going over a waterfall!”

            • rom661

              Then there’s James Dean.

        • Todd Tomorrow

          I was surprised when Richard Simmons did not come out.

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      He sooper secret bunkerite.

      • Qbird

        What’s the temp there where you @ Bury?!

        Hi.

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          Hi Q.
          It is currently 78 degrees.
          Please don’t have me killed.

          • Baby

            82 degrees.. OK I’ll shut up now too

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              It sort of makes up for July, right?

            • Baby

              I don’t know if anything can make up for June, July and August..Brutal this year.

              OK .. Texas says it’s 25 .. eeeeeeep… Yep it makes up for July

            • Vaquera

              25*

            • Stacy

              Aren’t you in Texas? Seems cold.
              70 here

            • Vaquera

              I am visiting family in northern Vermont this week. My thin southern-born blood is being put to the test. :-)))

            • Stacy

              I bet! I find 60 too cold for my blood these days.

            • Observer

              36º here. Not too bad. I don’t mind the cold until it starts getting down in the teens.

          • Qbird

            78 – 82 – why that’s like, perfect… right?!
            I’m on my way ~ eh?! Happy December.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Safe travels!

          • Science Doc

            Just as long as that’s not your temperature.

    • Baby

      OK.. I will finally admit. The pressure is killing me..

      I am Christian Stolte.

      • Todd Tomorrow

        I knew it! Baby my @ss

        • Baby

          Hahahhahaha..

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        Damn it!
        Give me back my wig and curling iron.
        Your not going to need them anymore.

        • Baby

          I cracked under the pressure Papa

      • Vaquera

        I always thought you were a handsome woman.

    • Robert Eckert

      Tony has mentioned before that Christian sometimes comments. Tony has not outed his ID.

      • HillieOnTheBeach

        Tony didn’t, but Chris just did. Read downthread.

        • Stacy

          Where where?

          • HillieOnTheBeach

            It’s hard to see now because it’s difficult to see the chronological order of indented comments, suffice it to say a certain commentor is feeding the subthread and not denying a particular post of mine.

            • Stacy

              Newer or older post?

            • Stacy

              Pretty sure I found it.

            • HillieOnTheBeach

              Qbird is Christian.

            • Qbird

              No no no Doll! No.

            • HillieOnTheBeach

              Ouate de phoque?

            • Qbird

              No. But I remember when Tony first posted about Christian & Jason – a year ago?
              I knew then that he read the bunker & sometimes posted… so I’ve known that for sometime.
              You asked, am I the last to know, I tease you with yes, sweetie.
              I was wonderin’ why you said “Hi Chris” to me!!
              I thought you was just laughing with me & sayin’ Hi to him — with me! No kidding.
              Near as I can figure it’s either Jimmy, Baby, 1Sub, Capt or Guest.
              Awww Hillie, I really don’t know nuthin’!!!

            • HillieOnTheBeach

              I really don’t know nuthin either.

              *cries in pillow*

            • Qbird

              No don’t cry Hillie – how much fun is this?!
              He reads here, with us – that’s the cool sheet!
              That’s what he & I have in common.

            • HillieOnTheBeach

              *tear drenched face*

              Yeabut he surely won’t ask me to prom now!

              Bawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwl!

            • Qbird

              There, there. We don’t know that for sure Hillie… plenty of time before the prom! Oooo, but he is sweet, isn’t he?

              [soothes your forehead & kisses your cheek]

            • Juicer77

              *they suspect nothing* 🙂

            • Ella Raitch

              Cat on the right – priceless. That’s precisely the look I get when everyone else seems to know what’s going on (troll and hidden identity-wise) and I don’t

            • Stacy

              Was there a coming out after I retired?

  • Baby

    Years ago I took a picture of a bird on a wire.. and added the colored sky and Words.. To all still in..or on the fence..

    ” JUST FLY THE FREAK AWAY.. FLY.. There is a Whole New World Waiting for You! ” ( Refresh)

    • Baby

      No freeloader debt.. Just Blow.. You don’t have to route out.. Just Blow.. Make a Plan Stan.. Blow

      1-866- XSEAORG.. Hop on the Bus Gus..

    • Baby

      Why 2? Jeeze.. I deleted the first one..sorry ( Hangs head in shame)

      • TheQueenofBulgravia

        No shame, Baby! Very nice! Twice as nice!

        • Baby

          Bows.. or is it curtsies.. ” Thank you my Queen”

          • TheQueenofBulgravia

            No formalities between Equals, Queen Baby! I noted You are a Proper Lady, as you are wearing Your Pearls today. (A proper Lady always wears Pearls, even when She is wearing nothing else.)

            • Baby

              Ooooh I like your style.. Well to quote another Queen..

              “What do I wear in bed? Why, Chanel No. 5, of course”

              Marilyn Monroe

    • FromPolandWithLove
      • Baby

        OH YES.. Perfect combination Poland.. One of my favorite songs.. Thank you for such a beautiful addition!

  • Pierrot

    *** RED X +–+ Reminder ***

    2pm has come and gone on the East Coast without any big score despite of a feeble attempt by Tampa
    with 18 out of the 33 ads so far today, LA and SF will be keeping co$’s flag flying.
    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-Kvg78kCcvo5gL7UfPcmhmbsagTNtdj0y2LAiHVFrCU/pubhtml

    Ty Dodo and Artist : https://www.flickr.com/photos/120371503@N05/15587672285/in/set-72157642802079293

  • ze moo

    I have to wonder how many complaints SAG-AFTRA Magazine received. It would appear that that got a great many complaints. Nice to see my union buddies on the watch!

    • Todd Tomorrow

      I called pretending to be, Dr. Phil.

      • “What were you thinking?”

      • ScientologyDoesNotExist

        That’s hilarious. – Winner. See Obs above (or below depending on your belief system) for your reward. Bring your own shot glasses.

  • dilladop
  • Ivan Mapother

    Will SAG-AFTRA Magazine let Krusty advertise her Organic Lesions snake oil in their pages? The first question should be: Is Organic Lesions still selling horse laxatives as a diet program or has the FDA shut her down?

    • Todd Tomorrow
      • Todd Tomorrow

        Others just a scam.

        • She had to make a big payout in that case:

          Actress Kirstie Alley has been ordered to modify her diet plan’s advertising campaign after a U.S. judge ruled ads were misleading. Marina Abramyan filed a lawsuit against the former Cheers star’s Organic Liaison company last year (12) over allegations she purchased weightloss items which did little to help her shed the pounds, as promised. The unhappy customer also accused Alley of misleading the public by claiming she whipped her body into shape with the pricey products, even though much of her slim down has been credited to her stint on U.S. reality show Dancing With the Stars. Both parties finally reached a settlement at the Los Angeles Superior Court in March (13) and under the terms of the agreement, the actress has promised to remove the term “Proven Products” from the packaging, as well as issue a disclaimer on the brand’s website that it is a “calorie-based weight-loss product.” According to bosses at the National Enquirer, who obtained a copy of the legal documents, the TV star must also pay Abramyan and her attorneys $130,000 (GBP83,871).

    • Todd Tomorrow
      • Todd Tomorrow

        The company also offers other supplements — notably Relieve Me, an
        anti-constipation supplement that Anonymous claim is related to Cal-Mag,
        a noxious-sounding dietary liquid developed by Hubbard that contains
        calcium, magnesium, vinegar and hot water. And that led some of those
        church members forced to drink it to, um, relieve themselves.

  • scnethics

    Scnethics is very happy with this news.

  • ScientologyDoesNotExist

    PSA: Cliff Notes for those just tuning in or stuck in a flood

    1) Christian Stolte’s letter to SAG-AFTRA slams Hubbard book ad. Bunker breaks out on fire.

    2) Dodo resurrects and resurfaces, calm returns in RedX Headquarters once again.

    3) Kirstie Alley found alone in the dark in a tweeter time-out room. Thinks she’s standing on a beach, betrayed.

    4) New commentors show up on Stolte Day. Bunkerites behave and let them live because – respect.

    5) Tom what’s-his-name gets thrown under the bus – again. Others move on.

    6) Breaking Update: Pam Greenwalt, Editor in Chief of the SAG, checks our links, something about The Atlantic. BAM! Mr Stolte and friends receive same day answer. Bunker breaks out in beer and cheers.

    7) Hour by hour primer links thrown down one after the other, shoopsters hit the road running, and creative juices running down like mudslides.

    8) Something about scientologists in costumes – again, one Furry.

    9) Orion launch scrubbed for the day – Miscavige goes to Escape Plan C. Science Doc starts migratation project.

    10) Thursday Entheta saturates the Hole in Hemet, Tom Cruise directs rescue team from his home telex machine. Every bad word in Disqus’ blacklist is heard screaming from Int’s toy ship; Bunkerites are jelly.

    • NOLAGirl

      9) Orion launch scrubbed for the day – Miscavige goes to Escape Plan C. Science Doc starts migratation project.

      Crying laughing!

    • Ivan Mapother

      11) David Miscavige orders to abandoned ship and leaves Int with only his WHAM/George Michael memorabilia, a leather bound copy of the Basics and a half empty bottle of Macallan.

    • Stacy

      Do this EVERY day! It’s awesome and hilarious

      • shasha40

        SDNE’s sense of humor in updates , Priceless !!!

    • Holy shiznit. Stupid final exams make me miss everything!

  • Observer

    Since the theme of today’s story is magazine ads, Sherbet suggested this idea. You young’uns who don’t remember these, google “Dewar’s profiles”.

    F5

    • Sherbet

      I want to go on record to say Observer is awesome. She even shoops to order, and it’s better than expected. That is all. Standing and applauding you, Ms. Obs.

      • Todd Tomorrow

        Awesome even when not feeling well !

      • shasha40

        SMOKEYROBINSON & the Miracles- I second that emot…: http://youtu.be/KI_0tQdEA5k

    • Jimmy3

      To be fair, we all want to schtup our Communicators. That’s just a fact I made up.

      • Sherbet

        Have you tried basing a religion on those made-up facts? I hear it’s pretty lucrative.

        • Jimmy3

          I’m working on it.

          • Sherbet

            Dewars or Macallan?

            • Jimmy3

              Listerine. Why?

            • Sherbet

              You, too, might have a Dewars Profile some day. Or maybe Sterno.

            • Captain Howdy

              ….

            • Sherbet

              What IS that stuff?? For real?

            • Captain Howdy

            • Sherbet

              I’m getting jittery just looking at it.

            • FromPolandWithLove

              What ‘s wrong with good old cal-mag and barley water ? 😉

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Nothing that some vodka, mint leaves and some simple syrup can’t fix.

            • shasha40

              No thanks , I have a conscience and I don’t believe in shunning and other forms of abuse ! {{}}

            • Stephanie Loving

              Captain that’s a good one for SURE. I’m activated with much energy to STOP all cults. Give me a swig….

            • villagedianne

              Is that the latest packaging for the Kool-Aid?

        • Vaquera

          I thought you said, “Have you tried basting a religion with those made-up facts?”
          Basting in the glow of (insert deity of choice).
          Wait, or is it basking?
          I’ll pour another glass of wine and get back to you.

          • Sherbet

            In lrh’s case, he pasted together a religion with made-up facts and those borrowed from other people’s philosophies.

          • Captain Howdy

            Heaven = basking
            Hell = basting

            • Vaquera

              I have this vision of a public Scientology trusted up in a roasting pan with Lil’ Davey basting them with the words of LRH, waiting for a pop-up temperature gauge to let him know they are DONE…..or broke, as the case may be.

            • thetastic

              Basting is tasty!

      • Kim O’Brien

        LOL …Ok .it’s official ..i have a blog crush on you .

        • L. Wrong Hubturd

          Jimmy, you lucky boy.

          • Kim O’Brien

            are you calling me fat ?? 🙁

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Huh? No way mama! Where’d you infer that from?

      • Prim

        As a woman, I could not imagine anything more abhorrent than waking up with that disgusting piece of filth in my bed. I honestly pity her, even though she’s under mind control. She has Hell on earth.

    • ScientologyDoesNotExist

      David De War Lord. Love this. You’re classin’ up this joint, Obs. Pretty soon I’ll need to get out of my pajamas to enter the Bunker. Okay, maybe just the slippers.

      • Stacy

        Never give up your slippers. If you do, “they” are winning.

        • ScientologyDoesNotExist

          Back on. Thanks. That was close.

          • Stacy

            Too close. Thought we lost you.

    • Baby

      Obs.. You are the Master of Shoops.. Absolutely amazing.. I continue to just observe in AWE…

      • Observer

        Thanks, but Sherb gets credit for this one. I’d never have come up with the idea.

        • Sherbet

          Thanks for giving me a bit of credit, but I couldn’t have done any of this, not even come up with the quips. You rock.

          • Observer

            No u!

            • Sherbet

              No, I said YOU ROCK! And you’re gonna take the compliment and keep it.

            • Baby

              OK to settle this argument..

              ** I will take the compliment and keep it.. Thanks Girls..**

            • shasha40

              Thank you , Baby , tell the other kids to play nice ! Lol 🙂

            • Baby

              Well you know what they say Shash..

              ” Out of the mouth of Babes..”

            • shasha40

              True that !!! 🙂

            • shasha40

              Some people are so modest … If the shoe fits, Obs ! You really are Fantabulous , signed a fan from All past lives ! Lol 😀

            • MaxSpaceman

              Love it, Obs– perfectomundo.
              – Ancillary benefit because of style: has an – in a good way – mainstream feel to it. And would hope to see it republished over and over, in places on the Interwebz where the more ‘out there’ shoop styles may not be used. Here’s hoping.
              – A Top 10 ObserverShoop.

            • Sherbet

              I suggested another sci celeb, and Observer chose DM. She could do a whole series of them. Not that I’m suggesting she give up her day job or anything. Mwah, Observer.

            • MaxSpaceman

              The Dewar’s profile idea, tho’ – that’s the whole enchilada. Love that idear, dear.

            • Sherbet

              🙂

            • Observer

              Yes it is. I have an idea for Kirstie …

            • Prim

              Obs I’d love to see Krusties real hair. The thinning old lady hair she will never let anyone see in public.

          • MaxSpaceman

            ‘Tis a perfect idea for Shooping, Sherbie- really perfect.

    • Captain Howdy

      Is that new?

      • Observer

        Yep, hot off the shooping press.

        • Captain Howdy

          Excellent.

    • Todd Tomorrow

      Reminds me of Jerry Falwell’s Campari ad. Remembering his first time in the outhouse with his mother.

      • Science Doc

        I remember that. He sued and forgot the part about being a public figure and satire.

        • Robert Eckert

          Well, the rules about public figures and satire weren’t really clear until that Supreme Court ruling (and I love that it gets cited as Falwell v. Hustler every time such issues come up now).

          • richelieu jr

            One wonders if they did the same thing with Miscavige if the name of the suit would be ‘Hustler v. Hustler’…

      • for others who might not have seen it

        pic

    • Kim O’Brien

      this is awesome ..although i find myself just looking at the yummy honey color of the scotch . INTERVENTION

    • Todd Tomorrow

      The Burning ring of fire is icing on the shoop!

    • Illinoisian

      Laughing. Laughing. Best part: not noticing the “OTIII –>” until I’d finished reading everything else.

    • Dr_Orpheus

      That would be a perfect ad to help alcoholics stop drinking!

    • TheMirrorThetan

      I saw this shoop out of the corner of my eye and I thought he was pants-less for a second.
      I was really to claw my eyes out.
      I thought for Xenu’s sake, why does Observer hate us so much 🙂

      • shasha40

        Why were you afraid , it’s Very tiny …. nothing to be afraid of . Really ! 😀

        • Stacy

          It’s just that, once seen can’t be unseen.

          • L. Wrong Hubturd

            That would take a VERY large computer monitor.

            • Stacy

              What, for his ego? Certainly not for his teeny weenie.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              No silly, a large screen to even be able to see his boy parts.

            • Stacy

              Lol yup missed that. Mainly because I don’t really want to see them.

          • shasha40

            True !

        • TheMirrorThetan

          Because there are some people who you really, really don’t want to see sans pantaloons…
          Me for one, Davy with his little thetan for another.

          • rom661

            I do like the little thetan line. I always assume he was an “innie”

    • MereCatWatcher

      Excellent.

  • Kim O’Brien

    Ooops ….here comes the internet. Thank you for the update to the story ..:)

  • dilladop

    Dear Julie,

    Thank you for your recent communication regarding the magazine ad promoting an L. Ron Hubbard book.
    While we included this ad for a book by the founder of Scientology, we have not endorsed and do not endorse Scientology nor any other religious system or philosophy. That’s not the role of your union and we fully recognize that.
    We strive to include editorial content and promotional advertising material that speaks to the interests of our large and diverse membership. That is not always easy to do given the size of our membership and their many and varied interests. Sometimes, we may not completely hit the mark and some members may dislike or disagree with a particular ad. That seems to have happened in this case.
    We support every individual’s right to free expression as well as our members’ inherent rights to choose their own reading material, but have determined that further advertising of this nature may not be in keeping with our magazine’s mission to serve the interests of all members.
    We appreciate your input and will not be including further material from this advertiser or any other religious organization in the future.

    Thank you once again for sharing your opinion with us.

    All the best,

    Pam Greenwalt
    Editor-In-Chief, SAG-AFTRA Magazine

    • Jimmy3

      It was so nice, she sent it twice.

      • dilladop

        Did I accidentally post it twice? I don’t comment very often and I realize may have done something wrong.

        • Jimmy3

          Nah, you’re fine. But that’s the same text that Pam Greenwalt sent to Christian Stolte. That’s the ‘she’ I meant, not you.

          • dilladop

            Thanks. I know it was a canned response, but they are sure to be inundated. I referenced Googling “The Atlantic” and Scientology advertisement” in my email just so they’d know…

            • Ella Raitch

              Champion! Thank you for raising a stink.

        • ScientologyDoesNotExist

          No double posts – :
          “UPDATE: THE UNION SIDES WITH STOLTE. Christian just sent us this message…

          Hey, Tony. Just sitting on set, reading the lively Bunker
          commentary, when I got a message from an actor buddy. He shared an
          email SAG-AFTRA sent in response to his letter, so I checked my inbox,
          and here you go (same reply as his). That didn’t take long.”

          IN other words, form letter sent out, I assume after 139 lawyers oggled it.

  • Here’s a Mr X blind item reveal from CDAN …. make of it what you will

    pic

    • Captain Howdy

      Awesome if true.

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        Well, Elvis did teach her how to shoot.
        hehehe

    • FromPolandWithLove

      If it is true, wouldn’t it be awesome to hear from Priscilla?

      • Sherbet

        Lisa Marie still hasn’t come completely clean about leaving cos, so I can’t see mom doing it yet. But it would be delicious to see both of them dissing the church on some network TV show.

        • shasha40

          Yeah , we’ be been waiting a Looong time , but we’ re patient .

          • Free Minds, Free Hearts

            We can keep being patient as long as it takes. The walls are tumbling down for sure.

            • shasha40

              Tick, tock wee Davey !!!

    • also there was this… it’s not often you get a celeb clam closely involved in a murder case formerly a suspected suicide a “close friend” of Juliet Lewis now looks as though she was murdered… anyone know if Misty Upham was a scientologist?

      • Free Minds, Free Hearts

        Very sad story. But I have never heard Misty Upham was a scientologist. She was suicidal, disappeared, and then her body was found – her dad doesn’t think she killed herself, and now the police think it was a fall in the ravine ?

        • Coroner said that she did not kill herself.

          • Free Minds, Free Hearts

            Thanks Lush

      • Todd Tomorrow

        I remember her. Wasn’t she one of Kate plus eight’s nannies on that show with all of those adopted children?

    • Loving the idea of Priscilla with a gun. I oughta drive over to her house and say hello.

  • Kim O’Brien

    Timing …i LOVE irony so , so , so much . Just popped over to Gawker before i get ready to head home from work . Jeez ..he is really short . Like a hobbit

    Famous Scientologist Miraculously Escapes Near-Death Bus Attack

    http://defamer.gawker.com/famous-scientologist-miraculously-escapes-near-death-bu-1666828247/+laceydonohue

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        This bus almost gave “Mr.Whoosh/Andthenthereisme” a reason to give himself a touch assist.

        As if he hasn’t been doing that since June of 2012……………

        • valshifter

          This time he might need Miscavige to give him the touch assist.

          • Bury_The_Nuts

            I just threw up in my mouth a little…

      • valshifter

        He must have crimes he is pulling it on himself.
        The guy on the bike is laughing about him, he turns around with a disgusted face, and appears to be saying “what an A#$” doesn’t he.

      • Todd Tomorrow

        “Xenu, Please”

      • Ella Raitch

        Can’t…stop…playing….this…..video.

        It actually gets funnier the more times you watch.

    • TheQueenofBulgravia

      The snarky Writer and the Commenters get it! 🙂

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        They are KILLIN it!
        As a serial snarker………….I am like a proud mama to read the Gawker.

        (never thought I would say that in a billion years)

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      LoL…………bunkerite leads the pack with 12 days of Ideal Xmas!!!!!!!!!!
      snort

  • nottrue

    …….

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      Looks chilly up there.

      • Sherbet

        And Colombia looks drug-free up there, thanks to The Way to Happiness.

    • Hingle McCringleberry

      The SecCheck blog does a really nice job putting out some photographic evidence. Today, sadly, I noticed that a lot of the older photos had the Photobucket warning on them and were no longer visible, which hopefully is a glitch. Either way, that’s a great site to hit up a couple times a week, especially to see what these dirty dogs (new Bunkerese swearing) are up to on the world stage. No idea who runs it, but its pretty informative. Definitely worth a look.

  • valshifter

    A woman from Golden era productions just came up on tv regarding the floods at Gilman springs, she was asked if it was chaos when the floods came; and her reply was ; “it was a CONTROLED chaos if you will” she sound as if she was about to snooze standing up right there in the middle of the street, I guess you are not allowed to panic or make a noise about anything in there, even if the floods come. what is above Tone 40? oh yeah Serenity, you are close to god Xenu by then.

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      Or you haven’t slept in so long that death sounds like a vacation?

      • Todd Tomorrow

        That’s so nasty, I love it!

  • A bird in the chimney

    Hero’s work, Mr Stolte! Thank you for continuing to speak up where and when it counts.

  • Jonathan Cummings

    I am glad the union was so responsive! Even one person joining the cult because of that add would be a tragedy. Thanks Mr Stolte! (PS love your show)

  • LillyPond LuLu

    Thanks Christian-I am your Fan for speaking up and Chicago Hope.Happy Holidays my friend.

  • I went after Publishers Weekly for putting Writers of the Future on the cover (it was paid) and the editor sent me a ridiculous response which I believe I mentioned here. Don’t forget, the number of people in Hollywood who tried $cientology and walked probably outnumber those who stayed 5000 to 1 or more. I wrote an article about it and lots of people added their own information. It’s important that people who were once in and keep quiet about that because they’re under the misinformed idea that they will still be attacked speak up and tell others how screwy their own experience was. http://www.themortonreport.com/celebrity/hollywood/the-giant-list-of-celebrities-that-departed-scientology/

    • Cosmo Pidgeon

      I took my first Communication Course because I was told the Moody Blues were Scientologists. It all started for me with a lie.

      • I was told that, too, at the Austin org in 1973. I didn’t believe it, so you know what I did? I told the registrar that if they wanted me to take another course, I wanted to call England (St. Hill) there at the Austin org on their dime and ask someone if it was true. So they let me, and I was told no, no way, but “We have The Incredible String Band.” I said “Oh, I saw them at the Lewisville [Dallas area] Pop Festival. They were weird.” (But later I got to know Robbie Williamson – great guy. And he’s been out of the cult a long time, too.)

        • Cosmo Pidgeon

          Good for you, because I started telling my friends they were Scientologists ,yeah around 1973 ,and got a few in on that basis. One is left. A long story I feel guilty about. He’s fringe because of Sea Org children.I don’t push, I could loose him or he could loose his children.

      • Cosmo Pidgeon

        This still urinates ( new disqus rules) me off more than you know.

  • mach

    “All religions believe crazy things” is supposed to be a defense of Scientology? Sounds more like an attack on all religions 🙂

    • Baby

      You know mach.. That is their go to answer when anyone criticizes their ” Religion” cough Cult.

      They respond this way to infer that we are religious bigots.. and also gets people talking about other religions..and it goes off the rail from there..

      • mach

        I’d think we ought to suggest believing crazy things is a problem in general, and that this shouldn’t be considered religious bigotry, but I understand there may be an intention to derail an examination of their own ideas.

    • Captain Howdy

      The difference is real religions admit their beliefs are based on faith, where as scientology claims nothing in it is based on belief or faith, but is based on 100% proven scientific fact.

      • TheMirrorThetan

        Plus Real religions have their beliefs up front where anyone can access the knowledge not hide it until your members are isolated from friends and family and have been “programmed” enough.

      • mach

        That’d depend on which adherents you ask. There are entire “museums” dedicated to such a claim.

  • Baby

    O/T but funny.. and I’m still laughing..

    So I was looking on line for reviews of a product that got rid of Pet Odor..( Don’t ask) and I forgot where I went now.. but this woman says..( paraphrasing)

    ” I am a teacher and I will tell you my educated recommendation. It is a fabulous product that get rid of the
    JERMS that causes the smell. ”

    And I thought to myself.. Oh a Delphi Teacher..

    PS.. no need to give me recommendations.. I am covered! .. ( OH NOT in Pee)

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      I am gonna give you one any way….Listerine is yer friend!

      • Captain Howdy

        Yep, drink a bottle of Listerine and you won’t even notice the smell.

      • Baby

        hahahhaa.. Hardy Har Har … ( OMG.. now I’m paranoid..Do I have bad breath? I’m always so conscience.. don’t do that to me..)

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          No silly…. This is my pet odor hellish helpful hint…
          Listerine kills pet urine…even cat spray.
          U r welcome!

          Edit: that was supposed to be Heloise….but McKay, whatever.

          • Baby

            Phew.. you had me worried cause I know I smell like Beer and Cigarettes and onions around you..

            ( Don’t yell at me.. HOOKAH..)

            Oh good tip..did not know that..hmmm

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Beer, cigarettes, onions…

              This is why!!!

            • Baby

              Uh yeah.. the stuff of life..

          • Todd Tomorrow

            We had a wrestling coach that thought it his the vodka oozing from pores. One day he fell down and had a heart attack. Last I heard he was doing fine. But we had a great team despite our terrible coach. He was always going to that desk to just drink listerine from the bottle.

    • 1subgenius

      OMG, turn on Peter Pan Live.
      It’s unbelievably good.
      “Girls are too clever to fall out of their carriages.”

      • Baby

        OH Yay.. will watch..Love musicals.

        • 1subgenius

          And Christopher Walken as Hook.
          This will be off the hook.

          • Baby

            Walken fabulous in this part.. Dayam

          • Baby

            He is bringing the Cowbell.. refresh

          • Baby

            I forgot to give you props for ” This will be off the hook..” Well done Sir.

        • 1subgenius

          Barrie was a genius.
          I remember reading my best beloved one of his stories and it described how parents go through their children’s dreams while they sleep, and straighten them like clothes in a dresser drawer.
          What a thought.

          • Baby

            Sweet thought..

      • Lurkness

        On the West Coast tonight and apparently we will not be seeing it Live on NBC….keep the spoilers to a minimum please if something goes off script.

        • Baby

          Oh thanks Lurk.. You are right I wouldn’t have thought about that.. and I know when you are going to POP up.. You lurker you..ox

          • Lurkness

            Personally, and cant speak for others, I don’t mind spoilers as they alert me to pay closer attention.

            • 1subgenius

              Spoiler alert:
              It’s unbelievably well done. You won’t be disappointed.

            • Baby

              Lurk.. I watched Sound of Music and it was Ghastly.. and couldn’t finish it..

              Peter Pan has fabulous actors, set design.. Musical score… Costumes.. and I feel like I am sitting in a theater. I am not kidding. I love live theater..

              I saw ” Into the Woods ” years ago on stage and can’t wait for the movie to come out .

            • Lurkness

              Love Live Theater and musicals too, Baby. Thanks go to the parents for sharing (and instilling) their joy of live performances.

      • MaxSpaceman

        Not done this way – live – since 1954.

        • 1subgenius

          Now I gotta compare the two. I think the old one’s around somewhere, right?

          • Lurkness

            previous Peter Pan was Mary Martin and NBC aired a live broadcast of her Broadway show in 1955 to 65 million viewers.

          • Lurkness

            Published on Nov 25, 2014

            Here is Mary Martin’s performance of “Never Never Land” from the original television production of PETER PAN, broadcast live during PRODUCER’S SHOWCASE on March 7, 1955. Originally choreographed and directed on Broadway by Jerome Robbins (who is credited as choreographer in this television production), this television production was directed by Clark Jones and written by (I believe) Sumner Locke Elliott, based on the musical’s book adapted from Sir J. M. Barrie’s play by Robbins. This video also features Maureen Bailey as Wendy.

            “I’ve Gotta Crow” was written by Jule Styne (music) with Betty Comden and Adolph Green (lyrics).

            Produced for THE PRODUCER’S SHOWCASE, a once monthly anthology series on NBC that ran from 1954-1957, for a total of 37 episodes over the course of 3 three seasons, PETER PAN was the series 7th episode. Produced live and in color, the show had an audience of over 65-million viewers (the highest ever up to that time for a single television program) and it was so successful, it resulted in a second live production (again on Showcase) the following year and a filmed color production (as a stand alone special) in 1960.

            Though both live productions were produced in color, only black and white kinescope recordings survive today.

            FULL SHOW: COMING SOON”

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=It-LrRqqBiw

            • 1subgenius

              Thanks. A lot,

            • Artoo45

              I listened to this album over and over again when I was little. I did, however, wonder why they kept calling that old lady a boy. Cyril Ritchard was an awesome old queen and the perfect Captain Hook.

          • MaxSpaceman

            Actually, it was last produced live, on NBC in 1960. Starring Mary Martin & Cyril Ritchard as Hook. Adapted for stage and television by Jerome Robbins. Here in its entirety, amazingly enough! — https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJFtCfHDFfw

            • 1subgenius

              Thanks.

            • Mary Martin – Larry “J.R. Ewing” Hagman’s mom.

            • Aslansown

              I remember watching that on TV. I’m old.

        • 1subgenius

          I declare it to be a milestone masterpiece.

      • Captain Howdy

        Thanks for reminding me..Walken the plank arrrgh!

        • 1subgenius

          They are nailing it.
          Hard to keep remembering it’s live.

          • Captain Howdy

            I was going to say Walken is pretty old to be doing a musical but i looked it up and he’s the same age as Mick Jagger

            • 1subgenius

              Proving, perhaps, your original point.
              But he is nailing it.

            • Captain Howdy

              Yeah I realized that as I wrote it. I mean, I’m the ultimate advocate of rock’n’roll being for the young and all these old farts should have retired back in the 70’s.

            • 1subgenius

              But here it works as the counterpoint to the eternal boy.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              Went to Oakland to visit a buddy and see, Devo. Sad to realize that two members were dead.

            • 1subgenius

              Saw them live in the day.
              Mothersbaugh is pretty cool.

            • MaxSpaceman

              He’s being a real trooper, there! You can see – especially on that little ‘hill’ and in many moves – that those ol’ bones are creakin’! But he’s doin smashingly well.

            • 1subgenius

              I cracked up in the scene where they’re asking her to read the endings to all these “happily ever after” stories, and then ask her to do the ending of Hamlet.

            • MaxSpaceman

              Barrie.

            • Baby

              Keith Richards in Stones to make Jagger LOOK good..

            • Sherbet

              Keith Richards makes Jagger look young.

            • Sherbet
            • Captain Howdy

              Walken started out as a song & dance man. This is a great movie by Dennis Potter the same guy who did The Singing Detective, but not the crummy remake with Downey.

            • Sherbet

              I liked the movie, too, although it was panned. I don’t think audiences wanted to see Steve Martin play a dark character. BTW, I think Walken was a child actor.

            • Captain Howdy

              You ever see The Singing Detective on PBS?

            • Sherbet

              No. But I’ll watch for it if you recommend it.

            • Captain Howdy

              OH Sherb, you must see it, it’s utterly fantastic, but dark of course. It stars the fantastic Michael Gambon. It’s a CLASSIC.

            • Sherbet

              Just found it and ordered it from a nearby library. Thanks. I like Michael Gambon.

            • Seconded.

            • Missionary Kid

              I think that Walken’s dancing has kept him in shape over the years.

      • MaxSpaceman

        It’s too easy to forget the magic & brilliance of J.M. Barrie.

        “Barrie was made a baronet by George V in 1913, and a member of the Order of Merit in 1922. Before his death, he gave the rights to the Peter Pan works to London’s Great Ormond Street Hospital, which continues to benefit from them.” — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._M._Barrie

  • Charles Murdoch

    Wow!!! GREAT job Tony and Christian. Actually have tears welled up that some immediate justices CAN be served against the Cult!

  • Charles Murdoch

    I actually had a dream just last night that I was talking with an old friend, he was the LAST of everyone I knew that was still in. Everyone had finally left Scn. And I shook his hand as he decided to leave as well….a dream I hope comes to fruition soon! I love my friends and we need them all out.

    • Juicer77

      That’s such a happy dream. I hope it comes true soon too.

      • Charles Murdoch

        I woke up with such calm and peace. There are so many stories and injustices I have as yet to share and can’t quite yet for anonymity sake, but man, I can’t wait!

        • 1subgenius

          Yeah, I love dreams that are all good like that..

    • Baby

      OMG.. I bet you wanted to go back to sleep and relish it. I love dreams like this.

    • Eileen

      That was yourself in the dream that you were talking to. May the dream come true soon.

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      What a great dream!! I can hardly wait until it comes true…

  • Baby

    qbird..Left this picture of Christian behind.. and Well I had to add to it..

    The Bunker loves CS and we love the Fireworks he can bring against this Evil Chult..( refresh)

  • Sherbet

    An OT question for Tony. Maybe you’ll address this at some later date. Is there any bizarro Travolta- or Cruise-grade wackiness associated with Greta Van Susteren? Sure, she never jumped on a couch or on her co-pilot, but how does she manage to escape the current media ridicule the others get? Or is this sufficient proof of nuttiness: Van Susteren? Fox News. ’nuff said.

    Just thought there might be some interesting sci-related story in GVS’s closet. The woman is too close-mouthed for any quality J&D. It’s kind of disappointing.

    • Captain Howdy

      Everybody’s scared of her..I know I am
      ….

      • Sherbet

        Ha! Tony’s not afraid of nuthin’.

        • giggler

          Somehow Darwinian

          • Sherbet

            Still, better teeth than lrh.

            • Captain Howdy

              I just turned on the Seinfeld reruns and it was that exact moment they ask the scilon chick to give them a ride to help find their car. Now that’s synchronicity!

            • Sherbet

              Funny coincidence.

            • Baby
            • giggler

              Thanks for my morning laugh

            • Sherbet

              Morning?

            • giggler

              Yup 8.26 am!!!

            • giggler

              8.28 am where I live

    • Vaquera

      Thank you for that question. Does she have a pass? Does she get to dodge the bullet? It’s my thought that she has dodged the $cio bullet with too much ease.

      • Sherbet

        I read her sister is a psychiatrist, and that they have a friendly family relationship. C’mon, I want to rustle up some troublemaking here.

        • Vaquera

          Your facts are correct. I’m on board with your mischief, however bear in mind that I’ve out on the town (the small VT town) tonight and I am under the influence of red, red wine.

          • Sherbet

            Tone it down. New Hampshire is complaining.

            Anyway, I want GVS stories. I’m tired of Alley and the second string celebs, like the Ribisis and the Mastersons.

            • Vaquera

              Ok, I will do my best to self-edit and stay quiet. Know that I am right there with you on exploring topics of GVS.

        • Todd Tomorrow

          Her sister is a forensic psychiatrist and they haven’t spoke in years.

      • Todd Tomorrow

        I’ve heard she and her husband, John Coale donate lots of money to the poor, cash strapped scheme. Not only does this buy you a First Class ticket to the next (She’ll be reborn Russian Oligarch’s daughter vs. a lab rat at Duggan Pharma) life but it enables you to skip up the bridge unabated like a young Judy Garland strung out on opiates. Van Susteren’s father, Urban Van Susteren, an elected judge, was a longtime friend of U.S. Senator Joseph McCarthy. Van Susteren married tort lawyer John P. Coale in 1988.[9] Coale, a self-described “ambulance chaser”, became known as “Bhopal Coale” for his solicitation of clients among victims of the Bhopal disaster.[10] He has served as an adviser for Sarah Palin. Forbes magazine for some reason keeps giving her the title of number 100 on the list of most powerful woman in the world. A Democrat in Republican clothing means she can manipulate her fox viewer’s who must vote for a Democrat to make sure they are the one’s who are actually conservative. She puts her money where her illuminati mouth is by being part owner in a sea food cart off, Long Island. Unable to mask her bizarre accent many claim she might actually be an alien being, however, a discarded pap smear just showed she had extra DNA that have been found in irradiated wolves that live in the surrounding area of the, Cherynoble nuclear disaster.

        • Sherbet

          Very witty and informative, Todd.

    • what does J&D stand for?

      • pluvo

        “J&D
        Joker and Degrader. According to Hubbard, joking and degrading about Scientology are signs of a suppressive personality.
        Worn as a badge of honor on ars due to one Scientologist labeling certain people Jokers and Degraders.”

        http://www.xenu-directory.net/glossary/glossary_jkl.htm

        • aaah, thanks

          • Todd Tomorrow

            Hey Lush,
            How’s the J&D going on that side of the Atlantic?

    • Ella Raitch

      As celebs go she doesn’t have a lot of recognition internationally I’d venture…never heard of her down unda!

    • Observer

      That’s why I couldn’t use her. There’s not really much of anything to use.

      • Sherbet

        I can’t figure out if there’s nothing interesting to report, or if she just keeps her beliefs tightly under wraps. I’m sure if there’s a story, Tony will report it.

    • L. C. Spencer

      She doesn’t completely escape it, but it’s not only that. She and her husband, John Coale, are known Scilons and have business dealings with the Palins. Because the Palins are so high-profile, and they have comparatively kept a low Scientology profile, that gets more attention, as well as the fact that her involvement with Fox News puts her front and center of a scuzzy organization that gets a lot more daily attention than Scientology. More Americans understand what Fox News does than what Scientology does, so there you go.

      As far as I know the only ‘interesting’ scientology stuff about her is that her sister is a practicing psychiatrist! So I wonder what kind of hurdles she’s had to jump in the Co$ because of that.

  • Lurkness

    I don’t know what you all watched, but NBC is telling us on the West coast that Peter Pan LIVE is “starting right now.” Perhaps you had the matinee performance.

    • MaxSpaceman

      “Live” on tape. Lol, yes the matinee.

  • AnonymousSP

    Thank you Mr. Stolte. Also, posting in epic thread.

  • Todd Tomorrow
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  • Ella Raitch

    From Roslyn Cohn at SPs ‘r’ Us facebook group:

    OK, so I am still at 15% and now Chita is at 24%. Friends, I honestly don’t think she’s even looking at this. You know what is happening? The Cult is stacking votes so I don’t win. Pretty dang sure that’s what’s going on. PLEASE SPREAD THE WORD AND VOTE ROSLYN COHN BEST FEMALE CABARET ARTIST. Now the true fight is going to be between Scion and Us. I’m not being paranoid. We know how they roll. Please share the voting page with my category. As I have said, this is not about me, it’s about getting in top position and claiming victory over their evil.

    For voting:

    http://www.broadwayworld.com/los-angeles/vote2014region.cfm

    • Rita Gregory

      Voted. Go Roslyn!

  • Qbird

    Good Mornin’ HillieOnTheBeach!

    Real quick: So I saw this reply last night of course but I didn’t know what “nightjar?!” meant. Honest. So off I went on a lovely little search. Doing due diligence before commenting is a lesson I’ve learning here in The Bunker.
    Hmmm… okay, a whole bunch of little camouflaged hunting
    birds, a huge family, many species… wonderful… read up on them, followed
    beaucoup links. Fun. Tks. Btw, ‘Nighthawks’, without the word bird, reveals
    a very famous piece of art, the title of which I did not know. Ha, wonderful
    image! But still I didn’t catch your drift. Nightjar w/ slang = ‘goatsucker’ or in British, a spinner – hahaha- Ouate de phoque?! more, hahaha.

    What am I missing here; I did not have a reply for you; sorry for any confusion I caused by not responding here quickly. I should have just asked you, what do you mean: “Oh crap, not another nightjar?!”

    The photo above is of a Great Horned Owl perfectly camouflaged, like Christian is, like you are, like I am. Safe.
    I like not knowing which bunker denizen is this actor dude who lives in the Windy City.
    And I am laughing ever so gently with you over all this
    Hillie. Yes, sweetie, I am. <3
    Q

    p.s. I’m not an actor, not a dude & I don’t live anywhere even close to a city. Just a silly goose livin’ in duh woods. K?! 🙂

  • Sydjazz

    Yeah christian stolte. Way to stand up to these crooks.

  • Nameer El-Kadi

    Having been brought up in the Middle East, I am all too familiar with extreme fundamentalism. Sharia law is dictated by misogynist men with no regard for women, and a myopic view of the world. Sounds eerily familiar to Scientology. Kudos to Mr. Stolte for ringing the alarm. This tainted ideology has no place with free thinkers,let alone a union periodical.

  • Ardent

    Three cheers for Christian Stolte and his fellow actors! This is a cheerful victory. Chew on that, Miscavige you rat-fink!

  • Rita Gregory

    WooooooooHooooooo! Way to go Christian Stolte!!!!!!!

  • PoisonIvyHerself

    YAY SAG/AFTRA, for doing the right thing! YAY, Christian, for calling them out loud and clear!

    Hey Bunkerites! How y’all doing?

    SAG/AFTRA is not a creative union that I belong to but I’m a card carrying member of three other unions in the entertainment business and I do know that each of my unions’ magazine’s advertising/sales departments aren’t always 100% in sync with the membership or their desires. I can see this being an honest mistake by some well-meaning person in sales who saw a nice fee coming, not taking into consideration the bigger picture.

    Either that, or there’s a hidden Scientologist in the SAG/AFTRA magazine sales department…who obviously isn’t so hidden anymore, if that’s the case…

    Tony, you said it perfectly here:

    ” There was a time when you would hear that Scientology was “powerful” in Hollywood. But no more. As we pointed out earlier, the actors who make up Scientology’s most well known “celebrities” are pretty much the same list they’ve had for the past 20 years. And there’s more and more anecdotal evidence that Scientology just isn’t feared in the cinematic arts as it once might have been.”

    Right on the nose. 10 or more years ago this would NOT be happening. No one would dare be that outspoken against the cult, particularly not using his/her own name. That’s a fact. I think the last time I wrote about this, I shared my personal observations that the fear factor seemed to be almost altogether gone, and Scientology was unmistakably unpopular amongst industry folk, Yet from what I could tell, it still was considered dicey – or at least, not too wise – to openly trash them. The general consensus seemed to be, avoid Scientology, don’t cow to it, but don’t speak ill of it – at least, not publicly. Not PC, or something.

    Now, Stolte’s great letter shows that times are changing even faster than we ever imagined – he’s made it clear that it’s more than OK to criticize Scientology publicly – these days, you’re far more than likely to get an army of like-minded folks piling onto your bandwagon than you are to get your pets drowned in the pool. This is AMAZING news – it shows that the invisible sword that Scientology held over Hollywood’s head has proven to be a plastic butter knife.

    I’d say this also speaks to Tom Cruise’s lowered value in the industry as well. He’s still got clout, sure, but his own union clearly isn’t afraid of pissing him off anymore, which shows you his circle of power is shrinking (despite his still robust Asian box office value.) Tick Tock, Tom. If you want to stay a movie star with a movie star’s legacy, you really want to start seriously considering throwing Davey under the bus.

    Great story, great reporting. I’ve been lurking and skimming lately but preoccupied with my own drama. Love and miss everyone! xo

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