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With Scientology’s ‘disconnection’ policy finally hitting the mainstream, here’s more to consider

Cindy_Plahuta_KaraIt’s gratifying to see the Daily News and the Daily Mail pick up on Joe Childs’ epic story about Scientology’s ‘disconnection’ policy that rips families apart — and has for decades.

In our own humble way, we’ve been trying for years to make the public understand how disconnection is one of the most toxic practices of this bullying organization. It’s a coldly calculating way that “leverage” is used to force church members into submission — by threatening to rip apart their families if they don’t comply.

In Joe’s story, he told in dramatic fashion how Sara Goldberg was presented with a stark choice — either accept the pressure coming from Scientology officials and cut off all ties from her son, who had been expelled from the church, or, if she didn’t comply, lose all contact with her daughter, who remains a Scientologist. It was the kind of impossible choice faced by other Scientologists every day. We have talked to or know about literally hundreds of people who have lost all interaction with their parents, or their children, or their siblings. It’s the way that Scientology enforces discipline, and as Joe illustrated so well, it’s never a “personal choice,” as the church claims. It’s forced on families, often with stunning cruelty.

Now, with the Goldbergs getting so much attention, we hope there’s some appetite for readers to revisit the many cases of disconnection we’ve documented over the years. Here are some links. We hope you find them useful.

— In his Tampa Bay Times story, Joe described a kind of ‘star chamber’ tribunal which put incredible pressure on Sara Goldberg to make her choice about staying loyal to her church or to her family. Three years ago, a similar meeting was captured in a secret audio recording which we made public at the Village Voice. In that case, a young man named Shane Clark was told by then-spokesman Tommy Davis that he had to stop working for Marc Headley, an outspoken former church member, or he would lose all contact with his family. The audio recording is a rare opportunity to hear what it’s like for a Scientologist to face the high-pressure tactics of the church behind closed doors.

— When Scientologists disconnect, they sometimes do it in written messages. We obtained two “disconnection letters” from Cindy Plahuta of Colorado. She told us that when she first had doubts about Scientology, she admitted it to her daughter Kara Landry (that’s them in the photo above, on Kara’s wedding day). Kara reacted by turning her own mother in to the church’s “ethics” officers and then disconnecting from her. Cindy and her husband were also spurned by friends, and we posted their letters.

— Claire and Marc Headley have each lost all contact with family members through disconnection. They left Scientology in 2005, later sued the church and lost, and Marc wrote a gripping book about their experiences, Blown for Good. We’ve spent a lot of time talking with Claire about the specifics of Scientology’s many “levels,” and in particular, she went through the L. Ron Hubbard documentation that is used by the church to enforce disconnection and split up families, and then did it again in even more detail.

— In July 2012, Karen de la Carriere’s son Alex Jentszch died at only 27. But it took her several days to learn about his death even though she lived only a few miles away. Why? Because a few years earlier, he had been forced to disconnect from her because she dared to say publicly that Alex’s father, Heber Jentzsch, had spent years in Scientology’s bizarre office-prison, “The Hole.” Scientology even tried to enforce Alex’s disconnection from his mother after Alex’s death, telling her that no memorial for him would be held, and then, after embarrassing media reports forced the church to hold a memorial, didn’t invite her. So she held her own.

— We were fortunate to learn about the remarkable Derek Bloch, a talented young man whose parents got him into Scientology and who joined the Sea Org at only 17, but then got kicked out a year later after he admitted that he was gay. Frustrated and confused, he found it therapeutic to share his concerns about Scientology at a web forum, carefully using a pseudonym because he didn’t want to harm his parents or their status in the church. But Scientology’s spy organization, the Office of Special Affairs, determined his identity from the web postings, and then confronted his parents, who then disconnected from him entirely. Derek was one of the lucky ones: he found love and acceptance from other members of his extended family, and even moved to a different state in order to take advantage of their support. He still has no contact with his parents.

— In a story that shows to what bizarre lengths Scientology will go to enforce disconnection, the church was so determined to keep Valeska Paris separated from her own mother, it kept her on its private cruise ship, the Freewinds, as a sort of indentured servant for eleven years. Our lengthy interview with Valeska was the most-read Scientology story we ever did at the Voice.

— How can you talk about Scientology and disconnection without thinking of Lori Hodgson? We’ve been reporting her story for years as she tries to get back in contact with her adult son and daughter, who cut off all ties from her after she became upset at the way her son was recruited into Scientology’s Sea Org against her wishes. Among the stories we’ve done about Lori, we were most affected by her dramatic day at a hospital, and two visits (first visit, and second) to Austin to surprise her son.

— Another mother who won’t give up on her adult son, Meshell Little first made an impression on us two years ago. She’s still writing to her son, Jeremy Powers, hoping some day he’ll think twice about disconnecting from his own mother on instructions from Scientology.

— Because Mike Rinder is so well known for his media appearances, his blog, and for his activism as a former top spokesman of Scientology, it’s easy to forget that his split from the church was deeply personal, as well. Not only did his defection cause him to lose his previous family, but his former wife and his daughter have demonized him on television and on the web, clearly as part of Scientology’s twisted strategy to try and smear him. Despite that, the former top church official never complains about the harassment, preferring to put the emphasis on what difficulties others have faced. And he has a new family now that is thriving. But we know few people who speak more strongly about loathing disconnection. For a detailed overview of his background and views, we recommend a series of videos and story at our website.

— Scientology’s ‘celebrities’ aren’t immune. When Leah Remini ditched Scientology last year, she knew enough about disconnection to make sure that her entire family left with her. Others haven’t been so lucky. Paul Haggis told Lawrence Wright how his wife was told to disconnect from her own parents at one point. And three years ago, we wrote about how Placido Domingo Jr. was told to cut off ties from his ex-wife, Samantha Domingo, once the church learned that she had visited Marty Rathbun, an outspoken former church official. Placido told us that when he refused, he found himself being smeared on anonymous websites with information he had divulged in church counseling sessions he had been assured would be kept confidential.

— In one of the most hypocritical acts we’ve run across, Scientology’s Australian spokeswoman, Virginia Stewart, went on television to deny that Scientology practiced disconnection. She was reacting to our Placido Domingo Jr. story, and she denied that disconnection existed. But then we found out that Stewart herself had disconnected from her own father, and hadn’t spoken to him for more than 22 years.

— After Leah Remini’s defection, Scientology put out one of its disingenuous statements about disconnection, claiming that it wasn’t forced on members. So we asked our readers to tell us about their disconnection experience. The stories we received were stunning.

— Scientology’s denials after Remini’s departure also motivated Sindy Fagen to give us one of the most chilling examples of a Scientology disconnection farewell, a voicemail made by one of her friends after Sindy agreed to talk to the Tampa Bay Times for its landmark 2011 series on the church’s fundraising efforts. Hear for yourself what disconnection sounds like when you hear Sindy’s friend tell her goodbye.

And there are so many more. Disconnection is real. And it is used cynically by Scientology to keep its members inside a bubble. When will the larger public understand that this is at the heart of what Scientology is, and not some goofy set of outer-space beliefs that a few celebrities ascribe to?

 
And now, back to our regular weekly feature, Sunday Funnies.

 
Hey, San Diego’s a party!

 
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Ooh, this one’s gotta get ’em to sign that billion-year contract!

 
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We’re looking forward to some accounts of this weekend’s festivities. Send ’em in, tipsters!

 
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“Hey, grandma, I’m ready for college. What happened to that money you put away for me?”

 
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The use of the word ‘humanitarian’ might throw you if you didn’t know that in Scientology it just means writing a big-ass check.

 
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We have no words.

 
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Marcus is an actor!

 
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Oh, now this is a party. And here Mike Rinder had us thinking things in Joburg weren’t rocking.

 
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Speaking of a party, it’s on at the Shrine this Saturday!

 
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Thanks again to our great tipsters!

 
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Karen de la Carrier has a cognition about Scientology and psychiatry

Another fun video from Karen…

 

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on March 16, 2014 at 07:00

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  • Sunny Sands

    Here’s a pic of the Tampa Bay Times this morning, with the Goldberg disconnection story as the headline article.

    • cs sarabia

      Oh, wow. Fantastic that it’s front page.

      • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

        The Scientology disconnection is extreme. It’s an extreme form of shunning, due to Hubbard’s extensive clauses and rules that lay when disconnection/shunning is to be inevitably done, if one follows Hubbard’s penalty rules to the letter, which they do.

        Scientology/Hubbard just never got how the Scientology detailed form of shunning is so extreme, that it is one of the biggest causes of hatred for the subject. Hubbard just nailed all the avenues shut, forcing the members to shun their family.

        Even though the freezone, Independent Scientologists (the “Squirrels”) are more normal, like traditional religions are when members leave their midst to do other things in life or change their religions.

        Official Scientology has to be tolerant enough to allow squirreling ex Scientologists.

        In 1959 Scientologists were allowed by Hubbard to “blow” and even come back, no disconnection, so “Steps A – E” (the steps to get back in good graces).

        Official Scientology needs to reform back to their early 1959 lack of disconnection policy period. That is essentially what the freezone Scientologists do, they operate more like the old 1959 era of Scientology, when disconnection didn’t exist yet.

        The problem is Hubbard’s later years extensive rule system built up and Hubbard closed off all the options to be tolerant of defectors from Scientology.

        Scientology needs to take some lessons from the Catholics.

        Catholics can change from Catholics to being Christian Protestants, without the extreme disconnection (extreme shunning) that Scientology condemns it’s former members of, if the Scientologists even wish to just quit official Scientology and change to independent Scientology auditing or training!

        I’m so glad Tampa Bay Times long term reporters and other media keep showing the bad consequences of Scientology’s extremist disconnection.

        Other religion’s disconnection, like the Catholic’s today, is just way more lenient. Ex Catholics are not barred from going to Catholic family member’s funerals and weddings or family reunions or gatherings.

        Scientology has to overrule Hubbard’s extremist shunning and become tolerant like Scientology was in the late 1950s.

        Scientologists have to become tolerant like the Catholics became tolerant of Protestants!

        Official Scientology is in fact violating the UN Declaration of Human Rights clause about letting people exercise their Human Right to change their religions. When official Scientologists enforce their Steps A to E on former Scientologists, that is a moral violation of the UN Declaration of Human Rights

        Scientologists ought to allow their ex members change their religions (even to joining “Squirrel” groups) without penalty, without telling their ex Scientologists to only be in touch with Scientology’s International Justice Chief and mend their ways to get in good graces with the official Scientology church, and then being extremistly shunned!

        Tolerance would be learning to live without penalizing the “Squirrels” or ex members with extremist shunning, despite what Hubbard’s rules extremistly state!

        • EnthralledObserver

          That will happen only when $cientology counselling and courses are genuinely ‘free’, and I don’t think any $cientologist are interested in operating it at all if that were the case. And that’s not even discussing if any of it even works or not.

          • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

            Yes, for sure. So many other points.

            For years, since another former Flag Course Sup, Paul Adams, talked me into doing an 800 toll free advice line, I’ve been taking the occassional phone calls of Scientologists stuck right in that predicament of not wanting to lose their brothers, parents, kids because of the rules, and it’s a long long process that always ends badly, and takes time to heal afterwards.

            Hubbard shoos people into his system, so fast, they don’t have intellectually the chance to see how to exit.

            Official Scientology’s exiting is really problametic, especially for family members when one quits earlier and for all sorts of critical valid reasons, it impacts their lives and their friends and family’s lives, it’s just always a mess.

            Chuck Beatty
            866-XSEAORG (toll free advice to anyone stuck in the mess of disconnection)

            • WildaBeast

              I don’t know how often you lurk here, Chuck, but 1-866-XSEAORG gets included in a lot of shoops and messages that will hopefully be seen by those still in who are having doubts. You have a good deal of respect from me at least for running it.

            • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

              Daily, I might skip 1 day at most.

              866-XSEAORG toll free advice is just a message, giving my actual phone number and other advice. Then 1-3 calls per month to my actual phone of people, usually valid newer Scientologists, and then family stuck who are newbies at exploring the bad side to see what options they have, people who have mostly NOT ventured to look at the internet, call me, and I coax them to do so.

              866-XSEAORG has been getting recently, last couple months, a caller who fills up the message space, so more messages can’t be left me. That person doing this (I imagine not an OSA person, but likely one of the hired PIs is doing that) thinks they are preventing people in some way, from benefiting from this 866-XSEAORG advice.

              But for years now, since this 866 line was set up, it’s been the same. I get only 0-3 calls that people call me on my actual phone number, because all the 866 number does is give my actual phone number, so the people who sometimes need advice, get through despite what this one person who fills up the 866 message space is doing.

              This 866 number started years ago, when Paul Adams, a long time Clambake posting ex Sea Org member, and he and I were fellow course sups for staff and me outer org training admin staff, at Int Training Org, Paul talked me into being the answerer. A nice anonymous critic lady in LA pays the bill.

              Despite the person filling up the 866 message space, so I don’t have any messages which is fine anyways, people who call this line, rarely leave messages; so I leave my actual number and people in need still can phone me, and I till get 0-3 calls a month only, no real big dramatic newsworthy calls, just normal, “What should I do?” calls.

              For newbies, I “ruin” them and define Scientology’s upper levels, and tell them what they thankfully have avoided. For diehards, I tell them what others have done to get out, and I refer them to Marty’s, Mike’s and this blog and to the Urban, Reitman and Wright books, and to Marty’s 3rd book about the final months of LRH’s life. And to the Tampa Bay Times “Truth Rundown” interviews on video.

              People who call fall into the categories of how long and what degree they were in, but mostly today, it is callers who haven’t yet dared to go deep into the internet, and I tell them to, of course.

        • Missionary Kid

          You well know that Co$ will never change its rigid disconnection policy, because that would allow members to associate with people who are “degraded beings” that care about them, but don’t worship Co$.

          Even if they never discussed $cientology, the fact that they will be shown love or kindness (two things that LRH tried to stamp out in his followers) from a source that is not Co$ (which does neither for them) is intolerable. Disconnection is the Co$ way of quarantining their members from outside thoughts.

          Yes, it is particularly rigid under DM, but the policies were put in place by LRH, who was not going to let anyone get away from the cult without a battle.

          You know better than I if there are many more publicly declared people recently. I sense that there are, and believe that it’s a measure of desperation to keep the remaining members in control.

          • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

            You’re right on all accounts.

            In 40 years, if official Scientology is still around, or later, or sooner, they might take the steps that other traditional religions have taken, which like the Catholics, they might soften disconnection to tolerance like their 1950s non-disconnection era.

            Yes, that predicament Hubbard put them in, they’ve only gotten worse, not looser, as you say.

            I think of the model of the Communist nations collapsing is the scenario that finally includes ending Scientology’s disconnection. Or regime change enough of the current top “leaders” die off of old age, and there’s a big official Scientology leadership change in the years to come.

            It would be a point of continued controversy and a major bad mark against Scientology, if they do not someday stop this extremist disconnection.

            If people want the Hubbard past lives quack pseudo talk therapy and the Hubbard high volume dead space alien soul exorcism, they can play around with that stuff for free using the internet’s sources of all of this stuff.

            Scientology’s hard sell (trying to sell their quack therapy and quack exorcism) is made harder by their rules which have so far only gotten harder for the members’ families!

            • Missionary Kid

              Collapse is what’s happening to Co$. There is no regime change possible the way that Co$ is set up. The efforts of people to show that DM is not following the tech are futile because the whole organization is based on control from the top.

              Only DM’s death will bring about regime change, because he has made sure there are no princes waiting in the wings to take his crown.

              Disconnection is part and parcel of $cientology, because it’s all about control. The myth that one gains control over MEST by becoming a $cientologist, is there because of everyone’s desire for control over their lives. That myth is there because $cientology wants to control the members. It is the carrot held out to keep them working to go up the bridge. Everyone is told that with a little bit more involvement that they will acquire control, instead, they are being controlled. If they don’t acquire control, it’s their fault.

              Disconnection will never be renounced by DM or Co$. It is a part of its DNA to control its members, and LRH discovered the power of disconnection and used it. DM only made it more rigid and the path to come back in more tortuous. He hates it when he loses any little bit of control, and he is vengeful about it. He considers people who leave as traitors, and treats them accordingly, even if they come back.

              There is no feedback mechanism that would tell DM that disconnection is a bad policy because it harms people. Basically, he doesn’t give a shit, and that’s what he learned from LRH.

              Catholicism had to change because contact with the rest of the world mean that rigidity would only drive members away, and in Catholicism, people are taught to care for each other and for people. That isn’t true for $cientology.

            • Once_Born

              Dead right.

              I’m reminded of Mikhail Gorbachev, who thought he could reform the Soviet Union by giving it’s citizens a little (carefully controlled) freedom.

              He did not seem to understand that freedom is an all-or-nothing proposition, and the people’s response brought about the collapse not only of his regime but the Union itself.

              As Soviet communism could not survive contact with the outside world, neither would Scientology. Consequently, disconnection is here to stay… until the CofS collapses.

            • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

              Well said. I thought as the Soviet Union was collapsing, this might have some relevance to Scientology, as I lived my Sea Org life, through that period (I was Sea Org from 1975 til 03).

              That makes me think that though the freezone, Ron’s Org, which both are NOT forming any management of themselves, remain at what Hubbard would designate as “Field Group” or barely “Mission” status in group size.

              Realistically people do still do the tech. I think watching the freezone, which has already accepted “collapse” official Scientology since to them, official Scientology is only a feeder route to increas the freezone and Ron’s Org people. Watching the Ron’s Org I think is important as “new” research of what Scientology is doing organizationally, especially with Ron’s Org having their own building now in Switzerland.

              Collapse of official Scientology might well follow like the Soviet Union’s collapse. There will be diehards who act as opinion leaders for the splintered remnants when and if that collapse happens, and to the degree they draw on Hubbard’s writings to decide how far to go to run themselves administratively, is up in the air until they do it.

              Ron’s Org certainly isn’t using almost all of the OEC Volumes and upper admin writings of Hubbard, already!

            • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

              L.Ron ended up with another loony to back him up. Miscavige has held it together, while beating up the IRS and putting Tom Cruises forward as the face. Will the next person lead a religion people can be proud of? It seems unlikely. To do that would mean taking away most of what L.Ron stood for which was fraud, cruelty and emotional coercion. The next creep-in-charge better be as ugly as L.Ron and Miscavige put together or there won’t be a church left (oh, happy day).

            • Missionary Kid

              The only thing holding it together is the force that comes from a large amount of wealth that dm is sitting on top of and using to bully people.

            • Doug Parent

              Hubbard also recognized (quite rightly) that people depart-leave (blow-in scieno-speak) groups or organizations due to upsets (“ARC breaks”) ….and NOT due to transgressions..(“Overts”) but he INTENTIONALLY WITHELD THIS INFORMATION for “fear of losing control” of organizations and individuals and probably all of Scientology. He made up, developed, borrowed or stole some good information and re-packaged it and was a genius at “labeling” things. But he was also the same guy who brought Disconnection into the picture in the first place. Scientology will never survive in it’s current form and the organization will never reform. Chuck is SO right. Hubbard made the label “Scientologist” a very untenable thing indeed.

            • Missionary Kid

              It’s even more untenable after all the crap that dm is espousing, and that information is now a mouse click away.

            • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

              I think the Ron’s Org group that has been stable enough to now have it’s own building in Switzerland, where EU followers can come to, that is a form of Scientology that has no management above them, no CLOs, no Flag, no HGB no Int Base.

              Second and third generation of freezone groups, if that ever occurs, is a whole more less negative setup of Scientology is all.

              It would take decades to see what happens, the ebbing and flowing of group setups around the Hubbard crank spiritual therapy and high volume exorcism of dead space alien souls.

              I think I might argue that less dictator type personalities at the top vying for total single person control, might later once, like 25 years from now, might then let whoever’s left and if there’s enough interest to keep the whole Sea Org structure of bureaucracies going, if that next whole generation of “management” decide to stick with LRH’s final writings regarding Watchdog Committee and Exec Strata.

              The dominance of Miscavige has warped the coordinating committee system (Watchdog Committee and Exec Strata) which were pretty significant final management bodies for the strategic leadership of Scientology.

              Instread, what’s happened the last 30 years is Miscavige sidelining both committees.

              LRH’s final 1982 ish writings about committees, and strategic planning, was to fall to those two top committees who oversea the whole Hubbard administrative multiple level echelons of the Sea Org bureaucracies.

              Instead, we’ve had instead the one man band decider Miscavige. And I’ve said before his biggest failure was just sidelining the major strategic functions of the two top committees to himself to do it all and blame them, the normal “CEO” dictatory syndrome.

              Exec Strata members have not one of them been able to really hold their own, they all fail over the years. Same with WDC members. The Hole is Miscavige’s dumping all of the top committee members (WDC and Exec Strata) into that Hole.

              So, later, if these writings in policy about the top two committees that LRH did write to do the strategic planning and top level oversight of the whole operating church, if they do survive, and the green volumes have the “Strat Planning” Hubbard writings, and the LRH ED 339R Int describes the functions of the Exec Strata, and there are International Management Executive Directive issues defining the WDC, if those issues and there is in the future a bunch of new young, next lifetime or two younger people who find those issues and give the old Hubbard committees at the top system to oversea it all, a try, then I think that whole not taken avenue of running the movement mainly by the two committees (WDC and Exec Strata) is a laid down in writing avenue still open as long as the writings are there to read and try to do.

              But not enough members to even read all of Hubbard’s extensive writings, and even wish to hold these management positions, it’s a whole lot easier for people who are under the pressure of all the other Hubbard public rules, to just let a simple stable datum dictator leader simplify it all by running the whole mess of Hubbard rules as the dictatory role that Miscavige ended up wearing.

              The way you could be right is if Hubbard’s other rules just make having top committees impossible, but there were years, like the mid to late 1980s, when some managers, particularly some who I respected, could play the system, and did an okay job I thought as WDC or Exec Strata members.

              WDC and Exec Strata today, I’ve still not seen any evidence of their actions, but likely they might be behind the scenes, just going unnoticed, we need a new defector from Int Base.

            • Missionary Kid

              I believe that there will be scattered freezoners that will be able to set up their own orgs. That has happened often over the history of $cientology, and even Dianetics, to a certain extent.

              Co$ is overburdened with unnecessary bureaucracy, as it always has been because it is run like an old-fashioned police state. OSA = 1980s Stasi. The freezoners don’t need it. Without the demands of money from dm and the burden of all the bureaucracy, freezone organizations will be able to survive.

              The problem that they all have is that their systems are all beliefs, not based on any science. The rest of the world, without the filters imposed by Co$, will intrude on their thinking if they look anywhere else but Ron’s writings. There will always be the true believers who will not give upon Ron, regardless of all the evidence that he just made shit up, but the majority will end up like Mike and Marty, and gradually drift further and further away as they understand that lrh was all about lies and control, just like dm, the follow-on.

              The freezoners are now united by their hatred or dislike of David Mismanage. As they start to discuss Ron’s writings, they will find differences in interpretations, as well as the contradictions in his writing and speeches. There is good reason that $cientologists aren’t supposed to discuss the tech. It isn’t logical, and it’s often contradictory. There will be schisms that develop, even without the help of OSA.

              The internet will be a source that will keep the freezoners going longer than it would without it, as well as lead to dissolution of Co$, but the fragmentation of both will work against them. Co$ has only been able to be as large as it is by being, in essence, a dictatorship.

              I believe that any independent groups that manage to survive will do so because of strong personalities that become involved. They will not be able to attract many new converts because they don’t use the bait and switch tactics of lrh, and they will be recovering their humanity that had been pounded out of them by both lrh and dm. It will also be easier for them to survive in foreign countries that OSA doesn’t operate well in.

              I believe that this year, the net income of Co$ will be negative, and that dm, while he’s greedy and will hate that, may stick around as leader. Whether he bails or stays to maintain control and domination over the poor bastards left out of a need for power, is a guess. He’ll flee if he things he’s going to jail to a country that doesn’t have an extradition treaty. He won’t sail around like lrh did to avoid the authorities.

              He’s already treating the clams like shit, and after massive amounts of debt and bankruptcies on their part, from buying the same old shit over and over again, and seeing noticeably fewer members around, they’re trying to question what they’re doing.

              I may be wrong, but I suspect that the Co$ is like a melting ice cube, shrinking more and more rapidly.

            • Once_Born

              The Third Reich was deliberately one of the most badly designed and woefully inefficient bureaucracies ever conceived. There was a strange reason for this – while ministers with overlapping responsibilities were fighting turf wars, they were not plotting against the man at the top who, in practice, ruled by fiat.

              It seems to me that Hubbard’s endlessly complicated and contradictory ‘administration tech’ served, in the same way, to keep him in power. This accumulated mass of material he produced could be (and still is) selectively quoted to support any conclusion. Add to that the fact that ‘Source’ could make new stuff up at any time to suit his purpose (and did – which is probably why there is so much in the first place) he could do whatever he liked.

              What Hubbard created was not an administrative system at all, but a means of keeping everyone occupied while he ruled.

              The independents who try to make Hubbard-style administration, or Scientology doctrine, work without an all-powerful guru are doomed to failure. None of Hubbard’s writings are supported by evidence or reason (as noted above, they are often self-contradictory) and members who have been taught what ‘research’ means by Hubbard are unlikely to apply higher standards to their reorganisation or reformation.

              They are doomed to medieval arguments about how many angels can dance on the point of a pin, while the independent field fragments into increasing numbers of progressively smaller groups whose ideologies mutate until they is no longer recognisable as Scientology (or even to each other).

            • El Con Blubbard

              Scientology wants to get rid of old timers. He can mold the young people into doing his dirty work and they will never suspect anything. This is how Scientology rolls and has for a very long time. Do a little research on the History of the Church and how this is SOP!!

              It is a cult! This is what cults do!

            • Missionary Kid

              I agree that it’s a cult. My point is that it won’t change because dm won’t change. Yes, he’s been depending on eliminating the old timers because they can remember lrh and how things were before him.

              lrh put the means for dm to continue to oppress people in place. dm’s paranoia and need for control has made the organization even more oppressive. There are no adults in charge, but only a moody, insecure, teenager’s mind in a middle-aged man’s body.

            • wontons

              Scientology having gone beyond “religion” into “cult,” I think it’ll snap like a dry branch rather than bend like a willow.

          • WildaBeast

            This is eloquently stated and nothing but the truth, Mish.

          • Betsy

            The thing about allowing ANY lenience is that if CO$ members were allowed to read books, visit the Internet, go to family events at real religions and so on, they might SEE that the wog world is not the place they’ve been taught…and they might learn of the abuses they live with and perpetuate in CO$. So lenience is out of the question for any “religion” that makes no sense at all and is violent and dangerous. Hey, did I just describe Scientology?

            • Missionary Kid

              Gee, let me think…
              Yup.

        • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

          In most religions you have to really consecrate on the out of rhythm passages to make them look bad, ignoring the 99% that makes them look good. Scientology isn’t like most.

        • Xen

          Scientology needs to die. As in dead, dismembered, burned and it’s ashes dumped in an outhouse. All of the Ginger Pig’s words need to be ground off those titanium plates and the metal melted down and cast into anything that can be of use. Don’t try to waste your time trying to keep the corpse alive so that it can be taken over by another megalomaniac to kill and destroy and keep going. It was designed by a demonic intelligence (Lucifer) and carried out by people willing or tricked into doing his work. Everyone here fought with all they had and sacrificed everything to get away. The free zone or independents are fools for trying to resurrect a corpse that is putrid rotten and should be buried with its master.

          • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

            One religion academic told me there are some really tiny tiny religious/mystical groups consisting of as low as one person.

            His comment made me think of the tiny religious team in the movie the Fifth Element.

            Scientology won’t get that small, it’ll always be hanging around, small, but not the smallest.

    • EnthralledObserver

      Someone should buy a whole bunch of those and share the love in $cilon country…

    • ShelGold

      What an awesome front page. We started this story with Joe Childs about 6 months ago. When it was finally ready, we had to worry about it being upstaged by other events – like a declaration of war in the Ukraine, then the death of governor Askew. We had our fingers crossed that nothing would happen this weekend to share the front page. Joe Childs did an incredible, thorough job on this. He is very good at getting all of the cogent facts with all details.

      NY Daily News picked up the story and through in some generic BS denial from the church – which Joe would’ve never accepted. That is why there was no response from the church for his article and he gave them ample opportunity to do so.

      We have the absolute proof they INSISTED we disconnect from our son. I don’t seem to be able to add an image to the comment, but here is the link http://dreamrealty.com/images/Justicechief.jpeg I guess it did show up. Disconnection is DEFINITELY ENFORCED. My wife was like a Scientology angel, the only thing she was “guilty” of was refusing to disconnect from her son. And he was not attacking the church.

      Sheldon Goldberg

      • Panopea Abrupta

        Thank you and your wife and son for your courage.
        My heart goes out to you and all the victims of this cruelty.
        This is why.

      • EnthralledObserver

        That letter signed “Much Love”! The absolute audacity of these bastards.
        For what it’s worth, my opinion is, and you and your wife (and Nick) already know, that you did the right thing, the best thing, and the honorable thing. More power to you for it. I am impressed and offer, from a distance, honestly given ‘much love’ from an admirer. Well done!
        I only hope this can all be straightened out for all of you sooner rather than later. 🙂

        • ShelGold

          Thank you so much for your kind words. We felted the exact way about his “MUCH LOVE.” FU would have been a more honest signature.

          • EnthralledObserver

            Indeed…

        • joan nieman

          Well, if they don’t know the meaning of love, they are not going to know how to use it in a sentence.

      • D.Y.G.

        I imagine there are people still in the church who wondered what really happened to you. Hopefully this will enlighten a few and give some of them the nudge they need to escape. If OT8’s aren’t safe, nobody is.

        • Missionary Kid

          Nobody ever was or is safe in Co$. It operates by keeping everyone in a state of fear.

      • Observer

        I do not think “much love” means what Scientology thinks it does. What a horrible way to sign such a cruel letter!

        • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

          I reacted to that as well. Totally inappropriate.

        • Sejanus

          Much love..is that the new F*** Y**?
          These guys are heinous clowns that are truly evil and callous

          • Michael Leonard Tilse

            “Much Love” is a signoff that hubbard used in many of his letters to scientologists. It was adopted by sea org staff as a typical signoff on their letters and dispatches.

            It is issued as a formality, an homage to ron, not as an intended cruel twist of the knife.

            Which even though a scientologist knows this, does not lessen the shocking impact of having your world destroyed and then told “much love.”

            • El Con Blubbard

              Hi. Thank you for joining Scientology where we set beings free.

              You will reach levels of awareness never obtained by man before. Disconnection from family members forever, bankruptcy, isolation, poverty, betrayal and deceit.

              We call it OT Level “shock and awe” – we will take all of your money, shatter your family and virtually destroy your life so that beings can go free.

              We don’t really know what beings we are freeing. On the lower end of the Bridge – you think it will be you. By the time you get to the top of the Bridge – you will have paid for and freed your Body Thetans. When you continue going up – you will be freeing more Body Thetans and fuck you!

              There you have it – total spiritual freedom for beings you can’t see, don’t know, can’t prove are there – at your expense.

              Oh, and our leader lives a very lavish lifestyle all carefully masked so you don’t know!

              ScienLIARtry!

            • Obviously

              Plus, if someone does manage to get out, there’s the added lingering bonus of a residual, and completely unintentional, knife-twist at the end of cards and letters from normal human people who don’t know how Hubbard co-opted, and corrupted, the expression. There must be so many other “real world” triggers for Scientology PTSD as well.

          • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

            SIncerely– nope. Yours truly– nope. All the best– come on. Yours in cruelty– maybe that is it.

          • El Con Blubbard

            They should answer the phone – (say it real fast) “Fuckyouverymuch for calling the Church of Scientology. How may YOU help us today? LOL

            • EnthralledObserver

              +100

            • Casabeca

              So true!

        • El Con Blubbard

          I second the motion! What a circuit Scientologists have created. “ARC” and “ML” – they all use the same thing. No one has an original thought.

          I remember when I got an e-mail that “I see that you are a friend of Debbie Cook on Facebook and she has been Declared an SP and to disconnect” and they signed it “Much Love”. It felt creepy and I felt as though my privacy had been violated!

          I disconnected from the ding bat that sent me the message instead! LOL

          There is NO LOVE in Scientology so even their salutations are a LIE and deceiving!

      • EnthralledObserver

        Are you able to include the letter Sara wrote that this letter is responding to? I just like the fuller picture. If you can’t for any reason that’s fine.
        Cheers!

        • ShelGold

          Here’s the letter with its beginning and ending. Some middle pages are left out as it would get confusing.

          http://www.dreamrealty.com/images/sarasletter.jpeg

          • EnthralledObserver

            Thanks so much for sharing that!
            Wow.. it is undeniable that they had no intention of entertaining the idea or possibility of ‘handling’ Nick, only to get rid of him.
            This is awesome evidence of their ongoing public lying. I hope it is put to good and productive use in bringing down this sham.
            Thanks again!

            • ShelGold

              We intend to make it as broadly known as possible. Fortunately, with the internet, the individual has a much greater opportunity to make his/her communication known.

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            This just chokes me up, Shel. It’s impossible not to remember a time when you were so mentally degraded and abused that something like asking for permission to still love and nurture the bonds of your own family seemed normal, even if nerve wracking. We were all prisoners once that lived to tell our stories. Thank you and Sara for telling the most terrifying scientology experience there is despite personal hardships. Doing the right thing for your family under these unspeakable conditions is impossible without extreme duress. You and Sara are not alone. I hope with all that are coming together now to speak loud and clear with the truth will bring them home faster than ever. Stay strong and glad you have such a network of compassion and support.

          • El Con Blubbard

            This makes me so sad and angry that you had to even write something like this. You are a mother and he is your son. You have a right to love and care for your family members. This is disgusting that this Organization reduces people to have to ask permission from the Wizzard of OZ, who you have never met, if you can help your son!

            F$#@ this cult!

      • WildaBeast

        Sheldon – I just wanted to thank you for posting this here. Bullshit disconnection is not enforced, and here’s the proof. What the {Church} (the {} brackets currently substitute as our snarkastica font, if you haven’t been lurking here before now) does to the people who have done nothing but support it is cruel, unconscionable and sickening. You and Sara should never have had to go through what you did (comm/evs while your son is struggling with substance use and suicidal thoughts, there are no words to express the degree of WTF!), and should never have been forced to choose between children. I can imagine things more evil and corrosive, but they belong in a horror movie. So does disconnection. I’m glad you’re here and I hope you do some back reading, though it’ll probably be kind of horrible, at least at first.
        My thoughts are with you, your wife and your family. I hope very much that you’re reunited with Ashley soon.

        • ShelGold

          Thanks you WB – it is totally like WTF to the nth degree.

      • DamOTclese2

        These Scientology criminals have been claiming on Twitter that they support and work for “human rights.” What the insane crooks don’t mention is that they are *against* human rights and civil rights when it comes to people assisting loved ones to stop handing their money over to the crooks.

      • aquaclara

        Shel, wishing you, your wife and son all the very best in your new life. In addition to all the new friends you’re making, you have many new ones here at the Bunker. Forgive some of us for never believing in LRH or DM-but it’s a great group here and we laugh amid the tears and sniffles.

        Your son is remarkable and I hope many others listen to him and of coùrse to the brave friend who first started noticing things were off. For your daughter, I hope she calls you and comes home to join the family soon.

        Thank you for speaking up and sharing your story. We believed all of it without the need for proof, No one would make up something as monstrous as disconnection.

        Hope there is more good news coming to you and your family soon.

        • wontons

          This may be a little off-topic, but I’m reminded of it with the Goldbergs’ arrival in this place of freedom.

          It must be earth-shaking to have your spiritual underpinnings ripped asunder like this.

          I’ve heard that much of the best of what Hubbard had to say was borrowed from reputable spiritual traditions. Has anyone ever provided a resource guide for folks who’ve gotten out to help them, maybe, find other sources for the “good stuff” in the cult? You know, along the lines of “Ron said X, but Buddha said it better as Y…”

          It would be best for this to be compiled by a variety of sources, rather than by someone whose mission was to convert the ex-member.

          Just a thought, from a never-in. I can’t help with reconnection, but I’d like these folks to know that there are loving spiritual people of all sorts out here.

      • valshifter

        what is PTNESS? shouldn’t it be PTS-NESS , or did he meant pity-ness? am confuse, they insist on making nouns of words that don’t exist.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Sara’s Choice! Yes. Thank you Sunny.

  • DodoTheLaser

    Nice Nuke to disconnection, Tony!
    Gives Sunday Funnies whole new meaning.
    Thank you Karen for speaking your mind!

    • Lurkness

      {“Wow, I am so impressed”} Karen D. LOL

  • Lurkness

    Tony thanks for all that you do. This is an awesome collection documenting the horrors of disconnection. By putting it all in one place like this, hopefully other media will also pick up on this and cover the ongoing crimes of the cult. Tic-toc.

  • DodoTheLaser

    Re: Rock of Ages disaster thing – every scientologist who was ever into rock music,
    will blow for good forever as soon as they will be exposed to that picture. I promise.

    • Bavarian Rage

      Seriously! The guy in the poster looks more like a magician or a clown!!! So lame…

  • EnthralledObserver

    Is it weird to anyone else to actually keep counting the years when celebrating the birthday of someone who is already dead? I mean… the clock has stopped, people! This bastard is not 103 years old!

  • Sejanus

    Excellent work as always Tony!

  • John P.

    Disconnection: It is impossible to condemn the destruction of families in the name of preserving David Miscavige’s pathological need to control his membership. Words just don’t suffice. Putting a list of all these well documented cases together should, of course, be an immense service for anyone thinking of writing about Scientology who cares enough to learn more than what’s needed to write just a shallow article that mentions disconnection and then goes to a “on the other hand” misguided attempt to be balanced by then featuring the cult’s denials. This list gives too much evidence.

    I spoke last week with one of the family members of a family caught in an impossible disconnection situation, and it is tragic and devastating beyond words to hear them actually speak with their own mouths about what happened.

    As some of you know, I never even met a Scientology member before I became active in commenting. It was an abstract exercise. But once you’ve heard someone talk about the pain they’ve experienced in a situation like the Goldbergs have suffered, you can never again sit idly on the sidelines. As the Anons say, this is why.

    San Diego: Nice ad, no typos or grammatical mistakes, and no copyright infringement with use of movie characters, etc. On the other hand, everyone is improbably good looking compared to the usual look of Scientology employees. Are any of the pictures people who actually work on staff? Or are there more supermodels on the West Coast these days than I remember?

    Join the Sea Org: If you go to a writer’s workshop, they always tell you that it’s important to make your descriptions vivid and unique but without overdoing it on the flowery adjectives. Hemingway was a master of detailed description in simple, elegant prose, for example. It’s hard to believe that the following sentence was written by a frequently-published professional author:

    The difference between not doing it and doing it is simply having the purpose of doing it and then doing it!” That could almost be a stoned 17-year old behind the counter of a Quickie Lube place who’s unable to articulate the benefits of frequent oil changes.

    Birthday Weekend: Of course, the difference between the promo for one of these major events and the reality is always fun to mock. All the Scientologists who show up for one of the reg-fests to suffer being fleeced for all the available money are probably not surprised at what’s really going to happen. And they are probably well aware of the bad food, mediocre accommodations, and all that goes along. But the use of the term “infusion” as in people coming “for the latest infusion of tools, hatting, guidance” sounds ominous, just like those folks who experience an alien anal infusion when captured and beamed up to the mother ship.

    Philadelphia Org: Clever idea to tie in the push for the Philadelphia org to call it the “Freedom Org” and to put the liberty bell in the background. But having Trudi hold a cheap inflatable beach ball as the souvenir offered in return for surrendering her about-to-be-needed retirement funds is rather sad. Not as sad as this week’s story about the Goldberg family in the Tampa Bay Times, but sad nonetheless. And the statue of Hubbard with realistic sculped in chest hair is not sad but merely pathetic. Does anyone know if there is equally lifelike back hair molded into the bronze?

    UK Humanitarian: UK Humanitarian Steve Turnbull believes they are on the cusp of clearing the UK, “so close I can taste it.” Too bad that the total number of Scientologists in the 2011 survey grew from the previous survey by only about 200 members (IIRC, am traveling so I don’t have my notes handy), which is the number of births in the UK that take place in about two hours. So I hate to break it to ol’ Steve, but you’re not getting closer, every second you’re getting further away by the birth rate alone.

    Silicon Valley Dragon Warriors: An interesting poster. If it’s cribbed from a movie source, I don’t know it. Perhaps this is a video game? Anybody seen this one before? All I can see is the Samurai in front of a background that includes a rather anachronistic Western-style sailing ship on one side.

    Marcus says “Join LA Staff: I was in LA recently. Restaurants and retail establishments were booming. I can’t understand why any self-resepecting aspiring actor would be forced to stoop so low as to work on Staff in Scientology when there are plenty of jobs available waiting tables or working retail. And any of those would offer flexible schedule to audition; I don’t know how many Hollywood auditions are held on those two hours per week when the staff get personal time off to do laundry on Sunday mornings.

    I must say, however, that a quick look in Marcus’s IMDB profile shows that he has graduated to more sophisticated roles. In only a few years, he has gone from “Checkout clerk” or “Car Thief” to one-name roles like “Marcus” or “Rick” and now seems to get a lot of two-name roles like “Luke Baylor.” Now that’s career progress! And it’s all because of Scientology.

    Johannesburg “Rock of Ages:” Interesting. They’re now stealing copyright violations from Tom Cruise movies, since they appear to be getting in trouble stealing art from other movies.

    By the way, I’m hearing from some credible sources, that the cult is putting a lot of pressure on one of the best known whales out there to fund the South African ideal orgs as a way to try to put some PR spin on all the defections and declared people from South Africa and to try to “dead agent” the excellent “Back In Comm” blog.

    LA Hubbard Birthday Celebration: One of my LA sources counted the number of calls from the LA Org and other cult callers in one day to get them to attend this event. 52 different calls were recorded from 7:15am to 11:30pm in the course of one day. I love the smell of desperation in the morning!

    • EnthralledObserver

      They’ll still get into trouble for stealing the Rock of Ages theme though, right? T.C. does not own it, and those that do might not be so chummy with Davey Makemerich.

    • Panopea Abrupta

      Silicon Valley ad: whoever is holding the katana doesn’t know how – his hands are too close together.
      Also the other blade is incorrectly placed – it should be blade edge up, not down.
      I teach sword.

      • WildaBeast

        Can I take lessons from you someday? Assuming we ever end up in the same country, that is.

        • Panopea Abrupta

          We will, dinnae worry, lass.
          And I look forward to it.
          Was there for the ice storm for a week.

          • WildaBeast

            Oh, LOVELY! You picked that week to show up? Worst example of that kind of weather we’ve had since we started recording, and you have to fly in…I mean, it was beautiful and all, but what a mess for anyone’s travel plans!

            • Panopea Abrupta

              Kinda fun in a twisted way.
              Had a gig, all worked out.

      • Eivol Ekdal

        Posture is all wrong too. I guess Trudi was still tired from her flight from Philly.
        😉

      • joan nieman

        Excellent observation ” You can fool some of the people some of the time, but not all of the people all of the time”Those inside the bubble, probably think everything and anything published by the SOS is correct and never question the validity.

    • Once_Born

      There was something about the ‘Dargon Warriors’ flyer that made me think of a book cover… so I searched a little, and found that the picture has been lifted from the first volume of the “Young Samurai” series (“The Way of the Warrior”) by Chris Bradford http://youngsamurai.wikia.com/wiki/Young_Samurai_Wiki

      The cover illustration is available for download without the text (see below), so the CofS (those great defenders of the sanctity of their copyright) seem to have nicked it and added their own copy.

      Also, having learned a little iaido, I have to agree with Panopea – you don’t hold a sword like that. They didn’t even manage to steal a good picture…

      • Lurkness

        nice find.

  • Sergeant Pepper

    That pic of Trudi Battershall holding an underinflated beach ball sums it up. “If you wish to study a Granfalloon, just remove the skin of a toy balloon”, Kurt Vonnegut.

  • Sunny Sands

    In Karen’s video, during the clips of DM’s speech, there are 3 Judeo-Christian references taken out of context and attempted to apply to scientology.

    “so comes one of those hallelujiah moments”
    “the masses rise up and rain down godly fire on the enemies of man”
    “I told you psychs were about to believe in the divine wrath of God

    At 1:35, DM misappropriates lyrics to “The Battle Hymn of the Republic” and says “You can say thine eyes have seen the glory of the International Association of Scientologists”.

    He seems to be trying to transfer other religious and patriotic themes to scientology to try to give it authenticity. Fail.

    • EnthralledObserver

      Religiously speaking… $cientologists have lost their way. And only God can lead them back on the proper path to the money…

    • Observer

      By “godly” and “wrath of God” he means “COBly” and “wrath of COB.”

      • Missionary Kid

        Wasn’t “Wrath of COB” made into a science fiction movie? *Dumb joke*

    • aquaclara

      The False Pope, indeed.

  • fare_based_messiah

    “I’m an actor, I’m a staff member, I’m creating a cleared planet” sigh ! Marcus Coloma, The only clearing $cientology does is that of wallets !!!

    • WildaBeast

      Your username is awesome.

    • Robert Eckert

      If he’s really an actor he should be able to fake a smile better than that.

  • Truthiwant

    Looking at Sunday Funnies after reading Tony’s great post about all the disconnection stories leaves a bitter taste in my mouth.

    I look at all those Scientologists in the fliers, and yes, including you, you stupid grandmother, and I say to myself

    “Please wake up you idiots because the truth is that every one of you is being duped.”

  • EnthralledObserver

    The long list of those affected by the {non-existent} enforced disconnection is astounding… and that was just a select few in comparison to how many stories are out there. There just aren’t words to describe the sadness and fury that comes when reading them all together like this.

  • Observer

    Every time I come across that Mankind’s Greatest Friend crap I see red. Let’s have a quick review of what Ron’s friendship entails for those fortunate enough to know him personally and/or who entrusted him with their lives, shall we?

    P.S. Sorry if you’re getting tired of these. They just never stop being applicable.

    • EnthralledObserver

      Keep ’em coming…

    • cs sarabia

      Whenever I see L. Ron Hubbard’s pictures, I see a sweaty sheen and bloat. This can mean a lot of things, self-indulgence not being among the top reasons… Right?

    • Bavarian Rage

      I always thought that man’s greatest (best) friend was a dog. In the case of LRH that’s a disgrace to all dogs everywhere.

      • Mooser

        “I always thought that man’s greatest (best) friend was a dog.”

        So did I until we got a pure-bred AKC Chocolate Lab. I don’t think my best friend would make jokes about my breeding, and truncated family tree. Imagine being greeted with: “Well, look what just landed at Ellis Island this morning, and where’s my breakfast” every day.

        • Once_Born

          “Outside of a dog, a book is a man’s best friend. Inside of a dog, it’s too dark to read”.
          Groucho Marx

          • jeff

            “Thetans didn’t like this.”

    • Party Hull!

      I just wanted to say that I personally am NOT getting tired of them. They’re fantastic, and put across the point incredibly well. Keem ’em coming 🙂

    • Betsy

      Not just in the flyer pic! There is a picture of Elron and Mary Sue with their smiling heads together…his head is at least twice the size of hers. It’s genuinely bizarre and unsettling.

    • Barbara Angel

      That’s the face of someone doing an “EVIL CACKLE”, probably thinking of how much Moneeeeeeeeeee he managed to scam that day.

    • Narapoid

      Sadly true, Obs. “They just never stop being applicable.”

  • cs sarabia

    I didn’t even go through half of Tony’s examples of Co$’s egregious disconnection policies to know their vile nature. It really pains me to read it all anew.

    I marvel and wonder beforehand how any “religious” person in the U.S. who holds onto First Amendment freedoms looks toward Scientology as a success story for their own group when their own claims are splintering apart

  • media_lush

    What a perfect and tragic metaphor for modern day scientology – a pair of bony old hands holding a deflated grey beach ball with the sign “IDEAL” almost stuck on as an afterthought.

    You can almost see the guy arranging for the gifts calling a party events company and asking “what’s the cheapest gimmick gift you have” being told, “well we have these beach balls”‘ … “No, do you have anything cheaper?”… “Well, we got a batch of grey ones in that we were going to destroy as no one wants grey on the beach…..”…. “They’ll do!”

    And re the Sea Org poster I noticed the Hubbard supposed 4 Guiness World Records…. I went to the official site and put his name in and got zilch. Anybody know what these were supposed to be?

    pic

    • Observer

      I believe one of them is supposed to be the author translated into the most languages, which I find hard to believe.

      • media_lush

        yeah, it’s all about his ‘books’…. I wonder if Mongolian and Zulu editions of his ‘books’ actually exist…

        pic

        • Observer

          Both those guys look thrilled to be in that pic, don’t they?

          • media_lush

            made me lol

        • Mooser

          There isn’t a Yiddish-language version? Why would he do us such a favor?

          • RMycroft

            But if there was, you’d be saying “Such a favor!”

            • Robert Eckert

              “And from this he makes a living?”

        • RMycroft

          No problem! Just bung it through Google Translate and print it! Then tell the suckers at Guinness to add two more to the record.

    • Observer
    • Diogenes

      Funny thing is, I’m a Philly native and there’s never anything plugging the cult other than signage at their place behind the convention center…

    • Robert Eckert

      One of his records was for Most Fraudulent Claims to a Guinness World Record

    • And I’m Cute, Too

      Most people suckered into signing billion year contracts?

  • Panopea Abrupta

    Sara’s story haiku

    $cientology:
    All our hearts are crying now.
    Disconnection: NO

  • Observer

    Watch out, Trudi! It’s the Creature From the Black Lagoon!

    I don’t remember who asked me to do this shoop, but now every time I see that bust I think of the Creature.

    • TDA1541A

      Epic shoop is Epic

    • joan nieman

      Love it OBs! He is the picture of all hideous monsters and this is only one of them. His presence , even after death, looms over the earth.

      • Betsy

        As I keep mentioning, I’m reading Bare-Faced Messiah. Last night I had to put it down. I actually started feeling as though I were going to throw up. I looked at one of the pictures of the great leader and that was almost it. Took some Pepto-Bismol and read a bit of a Patricia Cornwell novel…people think her books are grisly and disturbing, but compared to the doing of the Divinity it was like Dick and Jane.

        • Captain Howdy

          After the Ripper fiasco the only thing I find disturbing about Cornwell is her ego and her grisly plastic surgery.

          • Betsy

            Actually I got really sick of her. But it was at hand and I wanted to clear my mind of Elron…it put me to sleep.

    • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

      Best one ever!

  • Sunny Sands

    Going through Clearwater yesterday, I wondered what all the hoopla was about in front of the Ft. Harrison hotel. I see from Tony’s article there were events related to LRH’s birthday at the hotel.

    The red arrow points to an officer standing near his police car in front of Flag, monitoring the events across the street at the hotel. The jolly trolley bus got in the way of the pic. (refresh)

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Thanks, Sunny. Yesterday was the IAS event and later IAS Patron’s Ball, where all the rich white folk get to kiss each other’s you know what and compare the size of their um, trophies. It’s a festival of puke worthy yacht and tennis club loafers wasted on the royalty of narcissists. Of course DM will spare no expense to guard their pretty little eyes from seeing a roving SP or other useless humans.

  • 0tessa

    I still vividly remember when my daughter had to disconnect from me. It lasted 1,5 year long.
    It was traumatic. It is a lifelong trauma. The pain it caused will never go away completely.
    My love and compassion to all family members who have to go through this.
    Enforced disconnection of families is a humanitarian crime. It makes the Church of Scientology a monster.

    • And I’m Cute, Too

      Down with the Monster.
      I hope you and your daughter are together now, 0tessa. Wishing you enough love and joy to forget the anguish.

    • Eclipse-girl

      I am sorry you lived through that.
      I am grateful because it sounds like it you have been able to reconnect.
      That is my wish for all the others.

      • 0tessa

        Mine too.

  • DMSTCC

    $cientologists have all the answers…

    • Missionary Kid

      And they all say, “Go fuck yourself.” And, by staying in, they do Edit: to themselves.

      • Missionary Kid

        $cientology, the Argo of relisions, as in “Argo fuck yourself.”

        • Panopea Abrupta

          The original Argo was the vessel in the Quest for the Golden Fleece.
          Perfect, Mish.

          • Missionary Kid

            Thanks. My reference was, of course, to the inside dirty joke which is at the seat of the fictional movie (and the title of the movie about the incident) used to help the Americans escape Iran in the movie Argo.

    • Sue

      The ignorant arsehole.

    • Observer

      Is it wrong that I find myself postulating Adam Jesse into a low income bracket?

      • D.Y.G.

        You don’t have to postulate. He’s an “Appointment Setter” at WeBuyCars (dot) com. That does not seem to indicate great personal wealth.

        • D.Y.G.

          “Studied Fine Arts – Music at Berkshire Community College

      • WildaBeast

        The short answer, Obs, is that if you’re guilty, so am I. And I don’t feel guilty.

      • kemist

        No.

        I am postulating him in a refugee camp in Africa eating corn flour once or twice a week and drinking unsanitary water.

        See how “upstat” he’d be over there.

        • Eclipse-girl

          Not only up stat but he would be required to pay more in taxes to pay for that privilege.

      • Robert Eckert

        If that’s wrong, I don’t want to be right.

    • EnthralledObserver

      Jeepers… there are just no words…

      • And I’m Cute, Too

        I’ve got one: Disgusting.

        • Observer

          He’s applying 100% standard tech to the problem of poverty, just as Ron’s apocryphal South American dictator did, as well as displaying Ron’s brilliant and incisive logic and grasp of mathematics. LRH would be proud!

        • Eclipse-girl

          I would used several – mother fucker, imbecile, asswipe .

    • Missionary Kid

      What lower income people may want to do, and what they are able to do are two different things. In order to move out of poverty, they need to have enough extra money to save. Such a regressive tax structure ends up with few very wealthy people and many even poorer ones.

      • joan nieman

        Yes Mk. That is absolutely correct. There is no way to save money if there isn’t enough to buy food and pay the bills with.

        • Missionary Kid

          It’s funny, but I didn’t realize that was a screen shot.

    • Zaphod Beeblebrox

      These Scilons really are pathetic. Everything’s about statistics, money and ‘ethics’ with them.

    • EnthralledObserver

      I’d really like to reply to this prick. (Yes, I found some words) I’d like very much to educate this little arsehole about greed, the greedy and arrogance…
      And basic maths…

      • EnthralledObserver

        And sharing… obviously an attribute not taught in that abomination of a [cherch]!

    • Panopea Abrupta

      If the US “put discipline and ethics on it’s downstat population”, all of $cientology staff and management would have a difficult time and Dwarf Fuhrer would be in a hole from which there would be no climbing back out.

      • EnthralledObserver

        Any figures available on what percentage of those on ‘unemployment benefits’, or those taking advantage of other very low income benefits, are Sea Org members?

        • D.Y.G.

          I doubt they’d be eligible for much public assistance. Being a volunteer earning $50.00 a week (so much less than minimum wage) would raise all sorts of red flags, and might not even be counted as employment. Unemployment benefits are a tricky thing – it’s only given to workers who have become unemployed or underemployed through no fault of their own. Welfare reform in the 90’s also led to some strict guidelines – most especially for those without children, who often don’t qualify for anything at all besides food assistance (SNAP benefits), and perhaps housing assistance. In order to receive cash assistance for needy families, they’d literally have to work for it. That work might entail washing cars 30-40 hrs a week for local police departments, cleaning the offices at the county department of jobs and family services, doing menial work for Goodwill/Salvation Army, or any other business that signs up for the program. Plus, they’d be required to seek real employment. You simply can’t stay on the public dole indefinitely and there’s a limit to how many years a person can collect. The states are all mandated to get people into work environments as soon as humanly possible, and they make life difficult enough that people typically try to get off assistance as soon as they can.

    • chukicita

      Criminalizing poverty seems to be popular these days. This guy sounds like he .just got out of an ALEC meeting

    • Natalia 2.0

      Ah, the cycle of abuse.

    • kemist

      Wow, what an asshole.

      Of course people are poor because “they’re not trying enough”.

      Mr. Jesse is in great need of a large dose of reality. Rich fucks are often rich fucks because they were born fucking rich, you stupid assbrain. They don’t have to “try” anything. They rely on other people’s sweat and are eminently lucky these people don’t chose to beat their pampered asses to death. One of the reason this doesn’t happen is because the tax of the rich fund the social services that allow them to get by.

      Yes, tax the poor and see what happens. I’ll heat up the popcorn.

      • D.Y.G.

        I’ve been doing some reading at his FB page and personal blog. Reality is not his strong suit.

        This dude did a stint as an enlisted serviceman in the US Navy. Not exactly a high-paying job. So in essence, his wish is to tax the hell out of himself. He’s just a middle-class (at best) young person who is highly narcissistic and uneducated, and appears to be studying at the Douchebaggery School of Business a la Grant Cardone. Except that he doesn’t see that he is a middle-class kid without much of an education. Scientology apparently gave him all the answers (in 4 years or less) and his hope is that soon he will have all the money too. In his spare time, he likes to bullbait Indies and Freezoners.

        • kemist

          Ah, another useful idiot who still think his hard work will make him rich.

          The disillusionment will be hard on this one.

          It brings me lulz to think about it. Yes, there’s a bit of Nelson Muntz in me.

          • D.Y.G.

            I’d love to be a fly on his wall of disillusionment in 10 years.

    • DMSTCC

      • Observer

        Is the woman a Scilon? If so, that’s twice the hilarity!

        • DMSTCC

          She does not seem to be.

          • Observer

            I like her!

    • Miss Tia

      hmmm….little does this prick know that really low income people don’t have to file income tax….i get disability and don’t have to file taxes cuz i live (how i dunno) on less than $8000 a year….but yes yes people like ME are the problem and should be taxed…what a fucking douchebag….

      • D.Y.G.

        Tia, he’s one of those people who refuses to recognize there are people with legitimate need. To him, low income people are all able-bodied “undeserving poor”. Zero empathy for others. How typical.

        • Miss Tia

          well yeah, if he’s a $cieno of course he has no empathy for others….but of course there’s plenty in society who are NOT $cienos who still have zero empathy for those of use who live way below the poverty level….at the end of the day, i have more empathy for those people and i think i’m probably more content with my life than they are with theirs….

          • D.Y.G.

            There’s a 35-year effort to place blame on the poor and it’s been very effective. If you blame the poor for the problems in this country, you won’t blame the wealthy.

            • Miss Tia

              You’re right. And if you study those who bitch the loudest, you’ll find they have ties to the corporations they give government subsidies too, so they profit!

            • joan nieman

              Oh! Don’t we know it. Then we have the other class of people, who are also ignorant, who believe everything they read or hear if an authority says it’s so.

            • Miss Tia

              Yeah, what happened to people figuring out things for themselves? Now if someone with a microphone on TV or a talk radio show says something, well then it’s TRUE!! No matter what the facts might be! 🙁

          • joan nieman

            Tia, we are survivors. There was a natural disaster , we would probably somehow manage through it. The ignorant will not know what to do .

            • Miss Tia

              Nope, they wouldn’t know. The people who struggle in every day life are the more resourceful ones and actually live in ‘reality’. Those in government, for the most part, live in ‘make believe land’. When/if it came to them doing anything for themselves, they’d be pretty helpless.

        • Eclipse-girl

          “Zero empathy for others.” that is typical scientology.

        • Missionary Kid

          I’m putting “Zero empathy for others is typical of $cientology” on the list of THINGS SAID ABOUT $CIENTOLOGY at http://tonyortega.org/2013/10/12/tomkat-project-in-los-angeles-heres-your-chance-to-help-the-show-get-to-tinseltown/#comment-1084224106

      • WildaBeast

        Sometimes I think that there are some people to whom the laws against simple assault just shouldn’t apply. Then other times I think that there should be a law that says, if you’re going to bitch about the ‘the poor’, you should have to live a year on Welfare, starting with three changes of clothes, no access to bank or credit cards, no way to borrow money from friends/family, no going over to your rich friends’ places for dinner, etc. etc. Live truly poor for a year and then see if you want to bitch. Ignorant mean-spirited othering bastards.

        • Mooser

          “Sometimes I think that there are some people to whom the laws against simple assault just shouldn’t apply.”

          You want people to beat you up? That’s very unusual. Not that there’s anything wrong with that, I hasten to add.

        • Miss Tia

          Yeah i’d REALLY like one of those fucks to even try living on what I do for ONE month!!! A pure luxury is being able to fill the gas tank once a year. They have zero concept or empathy. Whereas I understand people have different stations in life, the demeaning, judgmental attitudes, seriously have to stop. They use the stereotype ‘welfare queen’ to portray all low income people and those on disability, etc. I’m honest, I don’t cheat the system, I get $80 a month in food stamps and I don’t buy junk food either. When something comes up, I have to sell something or when I have nothing to sell, I’m sort of stuck. One unexpected expense can totally mess up your carefully juggled bills, like my pantry/roof problem. Those people don’t understand and cannot even being to grasp that. They have so many advantages in life, but they take them for granted!!! I think at the end of the day they’re probably pretty miserable people and it makes them feel better picking on others. It’s sad, and I really feel bad for them.

          I don’t really believe in reincarnation, but if it exists, I hope all those who pick on the poor are reincarnated as single mothers with 3 kids who live in a trailer and work at Wal-Mart.

          • Frodis73

            Wish I could upvote this a billion times.

        • joan nieman

          At least 3 years. There are those who have struggled so much longer.

        • Frodis73

          I like this idea, a lot!!

      • joan nieman

        Unfortunately Tia, there are a great majority of people who are ignorant. These, are unfortunately, the majority of the votes. It is an utter shame.

        • Betsy

          I have a friend who is 72 and works as a cashier at my neighborhood supermarket…along with another full-time job. She can’t afford to retire even though she’s working much too hard for a 72-year-old…standing up all day. Last week we had our local elections and she didn’t vote…she needed to SLEEP. And people think someone like this is LAZY???

          • joan nieman

            Betsy. That is sad and yet so many others are in the same boat.

            • Betsy

              Yes…I mentioned it only because it is such a common story these days.

        • Miss Tia

          Total shame.

      • Captain Howdy

        “The War on Poverty” has become “The War on the Poor” in a certain ideological demographic in this country. It’s an old tactic of the rich to CONvince the middle class that the poor and the “others” are to blame for a contry’s ills.

        • Miss Tia

          You got that right, unfortunately! Hide all the corporate benefits, bail outs, etc it’s the poor people’s fault!!

        • Frodis73

          It kills me and seems to be working as so many are voting against their best interest in the faint hope that some day they will be rich or some such bs.

          • TDA1541A

            The American dream is just what it says

    • Zer0

      How very antichristian.

      • TDA1541A

        Not really

    • TDA1541A

      The hell ? Well this is america today actually with Mit romney paying how much tax again ?

    • Mooser

      You guyus be careful about criticizing Jesse. After all he is reflecting the exact views, articulated over the past weeks and days, of a major American political party!

      • D.Y.G.

        Ok, you started it.

        Damned Republicans.

    • ze moo

      Since when do clams embrace the Protestant work ethic? Isn’t that a Lrooon no-no?

    • Captain Howdy

      L Ron Paul to the rescue!

    • Jimmy3

      I just had a thought. Adam Jesse should keep his thoughts to himself because he’s not very adept at thinking.

    • Frodis73

      Omg, this guy just made me want smack him so hard. Oh, it’s just that easy eh Adam? You have no freaking clue, about anything. It’s all the fault of the poor. I don’t like to wish bad things on ppl but Adam needs a wake up call…hope he finds himself working at McD’s when he’s 45. Oh wait, he prob will as he’ll give all his money to the church. He sounds like a trust fund kid.

  • Espiando

    My philosophical guide is quite simple: I snark, therefore I am. I can’t snark about any of this. I am lost at something to say.

    I am going to say this: I have practiced Disconnection on family members. I saw my father do it to other family members. He did it because of money. I did it because I hated their fucking guts. We both did it of our free will. I don’t regret my decision. None of that applies here. If your so-called religion demands this of you, and you proceed to do it simply because of that demand, your priorities are utterly and completely fucked.

    • Missionary Kid

      Not only are your priorities fucked, but so are you, because you’re following a fucked up {religion}.

    • Eclipse-girl

      I also disconnected from someone who was toxic. I would not allow them to fuck with m family.
      There is a cognitive dissonance if these type of actions are equated with scientology’s practice of disconnetion

      • D.Y.G.

        I think many of us have had to cut someone from our lives – people who
        are harmful to our own well-being. It’s a safety measure to protect the
        self, or our loved ones. It’s an informed choice.

        Scientologists aren’t disconnecting to protect themselves. They disconnect to protect Scientology.

        • Eclipse-girl

          Scientology Disconnection is meant to destroy families.

          The disconnection that I and others have had to do saves ours families.

        • joan nieman

          Well said. I have had to disconnect from one of my sisters, to protect my child.

    • Captain Howdy

      I “disconnected” from my sister when she called me up and told me she had become a scientologist. I do not suffer fools gladly.

    • Troy MacGyver SP

      “Did it for money”, can you elaborate on this?

      • Espiando

        Inheritance thing. Just the sort of thing to turn brothers on each other.

  • Watcher

    Disconnection is mandatory, unless you are Tom Cruise and need to still contact Katie Homes or Nicole Kidman. Being Davie’s little toy has its advantages.

  • BosonStark

    Scientology would not have grown and become as popular as it is without disconnection. It is their primary policy of control to keep the money flowing in and to keep the cheap labor working in the Sea Org and on staff, and away from the truth about Scientology or L. Ron Hubbard, and now David Miscavige.

    A member in good standing who has any connection to a potential trouble source or SP is in danger of learning the truth about Scientology and they can’t risk that. Learning the truth would mean members realizing there is no “clear” and that even OT8s don’t have any super powerz. Once they read the Interenet, they might stop buying into Scientology or working for them and the cult would collapse.

    The “PTS” cult members can’t handle is the Internet and I’d suggest the cult try scoping out some cheap land in Guyana if they hope to keep members away from it. One thing I found encouraging in the most recent “Sara’s choice” article is that Sara read the Internet to find the real truth which at least helped her make the choice to help her son, who needed her. That truth, which the cult considers “entheta” stood up stronger for her than all the “handling” they tried to do.

    • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

      One reasonable definition of brainwashing is supplying information to a person while making sure no opposing information is introduced. Scientology has to have no opposition from family, no TV, no newspapers or magazines, AND NO INTERNET!!!. That’s the ARC quadrilateral.

      • BosonStark

        I can see how the newspapers, books, TV and magazines were doable as those things relate to Scientology. But, between wondering what happened to Shelly, or other so-and-so in the cult, maybe someone they admired, or wondering if the next level is worth 2nd mortgaging the house for, I think they’ve got a bigger problem with the Internet.

        Let’s say you are a proper clam totally steeped in on-source sauce, and want to be sure about some LRH policy or genius concept of of his, maybe his quote with quad “doing its,” or maybe it’s about some “justice” action, the way to search for that is on a computer, not by donating to the IAS or taking a course.

        • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

          Yes the internet is the boogie man that I find callers who call me still have. But so many other quitters just surf the net, see what is there, and it’s over!

          They find the multitude of history and criticism, and find the freezone, find this blog, find YouTube’s voluminous funny and critical videos and old TV shows, it absolutely pushes them over the edge and OUT!

          The OSA Internet minders should all report to the RPF, they failed!

        • WildaBeast

          And the beauty of it is that the Scilon sites get so few hits, and tend to have such low ratings, that until Google wraps its mechanical head around the idea that the clam in question is, as you say, totally steeped in on-source sauce, virtually ALL the top results will be entheta.
          The only way around it is to do incredibly specific searches – and how many clams, especially those who are over 40, know that such a thing is necessary AND how to do it while still getting any results at all?
          The internet – bringing you the truth for 25 years, even when you didn’t really want it!

    • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

      Nor could Hubbard stomach summarizing accurately his quack pseudo past lives talk therapy and high volume dead space alien soul exorcism for what they both are. Quack therapy and quack exorcism, to replace all of mankind’s mental health industry, since our problems are engrams, and the 4th Dynamic Engram that Xenu caused earth 75 million year ago!

      LRH piled on so many rules and clauses for Scientologist public and staff behavior, and LRH’s language is just so over the top irreligious all by its own, that all his years of policy rules built up to this mess that is very difficult to get out of once in it!

      And no OTs are produced, to boot! It’s a big long sticky losing proposition, unfortunately, unless you leave still believing in past lives, and OT abilities that for whatever reason you have to face you were NOT good enough to obtain! Hubbard bats down every angle of criticism of his own failure.

      At least Lawrence Wright’s “Going Clear..” book’s final pages relay LRH’s final honest admission that LRH felt he failed here on earth! That is such powerful actual new material that all new people should hear before getting into Scientology!

      Learning that LRH felt he failed, is the FIRST thing new people ought to be told!

      • Mooser

        It was the people directly under Hubbard (who’s been dead a while, actually) or, in many cases who partnered with Hibbard and Miscavige, that is Scientology’s predator class who made it what it is.
        Habbard and Miscavige (5’3″ remember?) could have been completely defeated in all their aims at any time by one word. Anybody know what it might be?

        • Captain Howdy

          Rosebud?

        • BosonStark

          Lowhangers?

        • Hubbub

          Show-me-a-mf-clear?

        • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

          I’m game. What is the magic word, I didn’t guess it?

          I myself was a sucker for the out of the body OT abilities that no one gets, and that irrational belief of mine couldn’t be reasoned with, until I realized no one gets the OT abilities, no supernatural abilities by any human, it’s all frankly fraud lying and subjective acquired delusion.

  • Natalia 2.0

    Happy Sunday Funnies — here’s your cereal
    (refresh)

    • Natalia 2.0

      and the milk
      . . .

      • Missionary Kid

        Perfect.

      • Mark

        I hesitate to re-post this (it seemed to irk THDNE the first time I did it), but great minds, &c.:

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          This is funny. Don’t recall seeing it before. What did I bitch about, pray tell?

          • Mark

            Oh, it was ages ago – about the use of “theetie-weetie” as a term of abuse inside the bubble.

          • joan nieman

            Ha ha! Maybe you were mad that too much milk was poured into the bowl? I don’t remember anything about it.

        • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

          I assume that there is sawdust inside the box.

          They would probably claim it was stardust in a court of law.

    • Natalia 2.0

      Dizam! Disqus made it small 🙁
      Here’s a close-up of my favorite joke
      (refresh)

  • Bavarian Rage

    Poster comments –

    “Fighting for the freedom of every human spirit…” If only . 🙁 No greater irony…

    LRH “The purpose between doing it and not doing it is simply having the purpose of doing it and then doing it!”

    Wow…so deep!!! How is such mumbo-jumbo poster worthy?! Can some ex-scientologist please explain to me on what planet this would come across as profound? Seriously, someone has to ‘fess up…isn’t there at least one time while in that an LRH quote made you snicker/throw up in your mouth?

    • Robert Eckert

      The difference between snickering and not snickering is simply that snickering is snickering, and not snickering is not snickering!

      • EnthralledObserver

        Wow… profound. Now life makes sense to me. 🙂

    • Mooser

      “LRH “The purpose between doing it and not doing it is simply having the purpose of doing it and then doing it!”

      Everybody’s doin it, doin’ it, doin’ it….. what is the next line?

      • Techie

        “Picking their nose and chewin’ it chewin’ it” leastways that’s what I heard in Third Grade
        In 5th grade we used to sing “Sittin’ there in bed, doin’ it doin’ it” and as above. And never forget the immortal words (paraphrased) “The essence of Power is doing what you are doing while you are doing it”You have to snicker or you’d spend all your time crying.

  • Sunny Sands

    The Starbucks referred to in the Goldberg article is where a lot of Scilons go. While they do sell the Tampa Bay Times there, it is put on the bottom of the rack of newspapers, closest to the floor.

    • chukicita

      wanna bet all of today’s copies are missing?

      • WildaBeast

        I would not bet against that if I stood to make a million bucks.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Easy bet.

  • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

    I wouldn’t have watched Karen’s video today because the disinformation was nauseating, even twenty seconds in. I am with a friend however who has little knowledge of the cult and wanted to watch it. I am glad we did.

    It is easy to forget how Scientology pulls statistics out of the air. It is nice to see so many quoted in a few minutes. In 1971 they claimed in writing and repeatedly, 15 million members world wide. At the time Canada had a population of about 21 million. It was very hard to believe the Scientology figure. One member explained that the number represented “everyone who had been helped by Scientology”. It was that hard to rationalize. With all the exponential growth you think Toronto would have a second “church” by now. In fact, locally, they can’t seem to find anyone to hand out leaflets for them anymore.

    I went into a store called, “Mountain Equipment Co-op” recently to buy a pair of shoes. The store specialized in equipment for hiking, canoeing and strenuous outdoor activity. The bulletin board there has small posters advertising the services of guides, organized outings, customized equipment and so forth. It struck me that the handbills were well designed and well worded. I wondered why can these people, who aren’t graphic designers, put together a good handbill while the Scientologists are unable to do so.

    I am sure the answer is hubris. The Scientologists are so OT and so Tone 40 that they don’t think about good design, sensible word construction, effective photography, legible type faces or anything but showing enthusiasm. They believe Miscavige’s statistics of exponential growth and that the product will sell itself to a world of people who know about it and are ready to grab it at any price. And they believe that their advertising had worked thus far.

    Someone should sit them down and say, “We are known as the punch line for jokes on late night TV. Most people who have heard of us don’t believe we are a church. Most who think of us at all despise what we do us or fear us. They think we are a cult founded by Ron L. Hubbard. We have gain the community’s trust before people will buy our services. Let’s start there.

    I am not getting down votes anymore so I assume OSA isn’t reading this. But if you are, let this be my gift to you. My gifts, like L.Ron’s are not free. Send a donation to Tony. I will let you choose the amount.

    • EnthralledObserver

      Downvotes disabled… so OSA is still around, just have no more cause or effect. Only WE (commenters) have the power here. 🙂

    • And I’m Cute, Too

      “The Scientologists are so OT and so Tone 40 that they don’t think about good design, sensible word construction, effective photography, legible type faces or anything but showing enthusiasm.”

      They don’t even think about spelling. They wrote “playwrite” in the ‘L’ of ‘LRH’. It should be “playwright”.
      Let me guess… Miscavige proofread and OK’d this poster personally.
      So much for the Masters of Word Clearing.

      • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

        That’s a common error but even I would have gotten that one wwwright, especially on a public document. Actually, I made the mistake once, an editor corrected it, and now I know. Someone there must have a pressed down 7.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Perpetual sleep deprivation and constant stress. I mentioned the other day that proofreading is required especially for promotional pieces but even emails. There are exact punishments and penalties listed in the Ethics policies if mistakes like this are made. And yet we see these pieces getting worse and worse.

      Some symptoms of chronic sleep deprivation in the short term:

      Decreased Performance and Alertness: Sleep deprivation induces significant reductions in performance and alertness. Reducing your nighttime sleep by as little as one and a half hours for just one night could
      result in a reduction of daytime alertness by as much as 32%.

      Memory and Cognitive Impairment: Decreased alertness and excessive daytime sleepiness impair your memory and your cognitive ability — your ability to think and process information.

      Stress Relationships: Disruption of a bed partner’s sleep due to a sleep disorder may cause significant problems for the relationship (for example, separate bedrooms, conflicts, moodiness, etc.).

      Poor Quality of Life: You might, for example, be unable to participate in certain activities that require sustained attention, like going to the movies, seeing your child in a school play, or watching a favorite TV
      show.

      Occupational Injury: Excessive sleepiness also contributes to a greater than twofold higher risk of sustaining an occupational injury.

      Automobile Injury: The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) estimates conservatively that each year drowsy driving is responsible for at least 100,000 automobile crashes, 71,000 injuries, and1,550 fatalities

      In the long term, the clinical consequences of untreated sleep disorders are large indeed. They are associated with numerous, serious medical illnesses,including:

      High blood pressure, Heart attack, Heart failure, Stroke, Obesity, Psychiatric problems, including depression and other mood disorders, Attention Deficit Disorder (ADD), Mental impairment, Fetal and childhood growth retardation, Injury from accidents, Disruption of bed partner’s sleep quality, Poor quality of life

      • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

        Thanks. That makes perfect sense. I didn’t think of how sleep deprived and overworked these people would be.

    • Betsy

      That CO$ video material was SICKENING. But I dearly love Karen. What an incredible job she does. I couldn’t believe all the lies the Little Liar packed into that short time…

    • Missionary Kid

      Yes there is something the cult can do. The cult can go fuck itself. With Davy at the helm, they’re doing it very well.

      • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

        Thanks, Mish. That got a loud chuckle from me.

        I remember having joking and degrading explained to me while I had a foot out the door and my friend had both feet in. I always thought that satire and sarcasm were the bread and butter of a free society. Every powerful organization has to be able to take a certain amount of humour directed at it. He said not so, because L.Ron said not so. He said that joking and degrading were real assaults and should be treated that way. Well, that was the 436th red flag that had gone up for me on Scientology and I was so stupid that I didn’t act on that one either, other than to not take any more courses.

        Maybe that is why it is great to see all these vicious photoshops of L.Ron and Davey today.

        • Missionary Kid

          Of course, there’s a saying that covers $cientology: Fuck ’em if they can’t take a joke.

          • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

            Well, fuck ’em if they can’t take a joke; fuck ’em if they can take a joke.

            • Missionary Kid

              :-)))))

  • VickiStubing

    The Funnies are funny, indeed, but I’m finding it hard to enjoy them after reading the disconnection stories again. I suppose I’m on edge, having just sent a kid back to school after spring break. I am already counting the days until the end of this term when all my chicks will be under the same roof again–disconnection really pushes all my Mommy buttons. But it makes my skin crawl that they call it a GAME! These are real, live human beings with emotions and needs. IT IS NOT A GAME!

  • Panopea Abrupta

    RED-X RED-X RED-X

    In a world where we can sometimes feel powerless, it is important to do what we CAN do.

    Stop the bait ‘n switch ads on CL

    https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-62#post-2434950

    ty AP

    • WildaBeast

      For safety.

    • aegerprimo

      Done, AND I got a couple of these today…
      (Brownsville)

  • Andrew Robertson

    I’m worried about Scotland. Yet another week goes by with no fliers from the fearless leader exulting Scientology’s metaphorical Bannockburn.

    Could the Edinburgh Org have instead suffered a Culloden?

    My suspicion is that the Org purchased some cheap Sassenach varnish for the new sauna which has refused to set, so the Purification Ritual can not be conducted for the vast throng of new members crying out for Scientology processing.

    Andrew

    • Observer

      Maybe Fearless Leader got confused, drank the varnish and applied his scotch to the sauna.

      • WildaBeast

        The next newsletter from Scotland:

        FEARLESS LEADER John G. drops body to continue his work more effectively from Target 2 with LRH!

        In other news, the psychs strike back with their usual duplicity. Turning our own national bevvy against us, a foul SP saboteur in their employ has gained access to HAPI, presumably under a false name. This unknown evildoer impregnated the walls of our Purif sauna with the finest Scotch whisky, even using our former fearless leader’s personal stock just to taunt us. Rest assured that we’ve got all our OTs exteriorizing and jumping back on the time track to identify exactly who the perpetrator was. It is strongly suspected that he gained access by impersonating a workman come to varnish the walls, but we will not act until we are certain – we are, after all, the most ethical people on the planet! Once we have positively identified him, he’ll be dealt with in the informal Scots tradition.
        Our readers will be pleased to know that those of our members who were taking the Purif in the scotch-impregnated sauna have sobered up after two weeks of vitamin treatments. We hope that further treatments will get the smell out of their skin within the month.

        • Panopea Abrupta

          A steady diet of deep-fried Mars Bars and deep-fried pizza is recommended.
          This is the standard Scottish diet: UFOs,
          unidentified frying objects.

          • Jimmy3

            This is a well-breaded, extra crispy pun and I app-rove of it.

      • joan nieman

        Most probable!

    • ze moo

      Maybe that drunk looking guy sat down on the freshly varnished sauna bench and got stuck? It could take an SO inquiry to find the suppressive ass that delayed the ‘purif’ of Scotland.

    • Mooser

      There’s nothin’ I don’t know about cheap varnish. Use Interlux, if you can get over the sticker shock. Flows and levels like a dream, dries hard.

  • Robert Eckert

    How much did Trudi have to pay for that little beach ball?

    • And I’m Cute, Too

      More than anyone should have to pay for anything so worthless. In fact, what she meant to pay for was the “Freedom ORG”, which is probably even more worthless than that ugly gray ball.

      • kemist

        At least children could play with the beach ball.

        But that’s seriously lame. Have they run out of dollar store frames and now have to use whatever garbage left in their orgs to present their fake awards ?

  • Elen

    Thank you again Tony for the well done re-cap & re-focus on disconnection.

  • Mark

    OOH! The clams have discovered word-cloud generators! Only a year or more after everyone else in the rest of the world! Golly, how well Ron’s tech works! (Not). Sorry if this repeats yesterday’s scatology, but the sooner the whole sorry Co$ mess is consigned to the dung-heap of history, the better (refresh):

    • Natalia 2.0

      Wish I could upvote this 100 times!

    • Robert Eckert

      Do do that doo-doo that you do so well…

      • Observer

        And there goes my coffee …

      • Betsy

        Choke! Skreem!

      • Captain Howdy

        Ummm..now I have a hankering for some cheesy rondoo.

        • Observer

          Ewwwwwwww

          • Captain Howdy

            I’m so close I can taste it.
            ….

            • Observer

              Despite the fact that you just ruined my warm-from-the-oven cinnamon roll, I must upvote!

    • John P.

      I bet their word cloud was done by hand, by slave labor, just like all their bathroom floors are cleaned by hand, by a toothbrush-wielding slave. Who needs a tile scrubber machine when you have several thousand serfs that you can abuse?

      • Mark

        Doing a word-cloud by hand would at least be nicer work than toothbrushing a bathroom – if that’s how it was done, I hope they had to divert loads of people from the RPF to do the work, & it took them months to finish!

      • Once_Born

        It took three months, using Letraset… and they were flunked, and had to start again, if any of the edges of the letters were even a little bit turned up.

        • Mark

          Far too high-tech, O.B.: they had to use old-fashioned lettering-nibbed dip-pens, with their fatal tendency to dump unexpected gouts of ink out of their reservoirs just as you’re finishing off a piece of work. (I speak from experience; I blessed both Letraset and Mecanorma):

  • aquaclara

    This is the most comprehensive and moving set of articles on disconnection ever done. Thanks, Tony.
    To the families here, I am so sorry for your losses. I hope it ends soon.

    There is so much here. Unbelievable stories that are all quite real. Scientology is always worse than we think.

  • Mike Leopold

    Thank you so much, Sara and Sheldon, for speaking the painful truth.
    Make no mistake, all who read Joe Childs reporting, both in, and out of Scientology, will recognize the unmistakable authentic ring of truth as they read it.
    It is a gut-wrenching story that hopefully will reach many still in Scientology, and serve as a clarion call to them.
    It took real courage to do what you did. Thanks, again, and I pray that your family will be made whole.

  • deanblair

    David proclaims that there are 37,824 column inches of anti Psych rhetoric created by Scientologists while there are 37,824 column miles of anti Scientology stories created by the rest of the world.

  • Eclipse-girl

    I spent the time to read or read the disconnection stories. It is so very sad. It is my wish that these families can be reunited. Kudos to Palcido Domingo JR for not disconnecting with his ex wife, Derek You need to continue writing, Otherwise it is (((HUGS))) to all who have endured this pain.

  • Techie

    It is important to understand why Scientologists cannot simply give up on disconnection. Check out Martha Stout’s The Sociopath Next Door. In this book the so-called 12 characteristics of a Suppressive Person are explained. This was not Hubbard’s idea. He didn’t invent it, he copied the information from others. His interpretation is a little extreme however. It is true that there are a few people in the world who cannot feel compassion for others, and who hide that fact behind a complex system of lies and pretense. You have probably met such people. For the purpose of this comment I am going to call them psychopaths, though the terminology is a bit imprecise. So far I am in agreement with Ron. However, check out the next step – if Scientology is good and helps people, the only person who would oppose it would be a psychopath. It’s as usual all or nothing with our Bare Faced Messiah. You are with him or you are a violent, insane enemy of humanity. This applies to people who think the idea of taking 5,000 mg of Niacin a day is dangerous to your health. It applies to people who have tried Scientology and found it wanting in any way. It applies to people who know little or nothing about Scientology but object to a religion that breaks apart families. It even applies to a mother who wants to help her son who is not in good standing with the Church. It applies to you and me who read this blog. From Hubbard’s point of view we are all insane knife-wielding serial killer types who have babies for breakfast. Some, like Tory and I, have the written proof straight from the official organization. Others just have to earn it by doing. In any case, this egregious bit of pure insanity follows from that simple tautology: if you’re not for us, you’re against us, and if you’re against us you’re crazy. Imagine having that held in your mind as true, irrefutable, words to live by from the Master himself. Now a friend or relative starts talking trash talk about the Master. You know what that means. It means your friend or relative is insane and dangerous to those around him, a Suppressive Person. You also know that the only thing that can keep Scientology from working is being connected to a Suppressive Person. Are you going to fool around with that? Maybe you try to “handle” this person with friendship or persuasion. They refuse to be “handled”. Are you going to hesitate or are you going to disconnect? This is the witch-pit of superstition in its worst form. Even the witch-hunts of Salem had more scientific basis. Even the witch trials demanded proof. The only proof you need to be condemned as a psychopath by Scientology is to say you don’t like something about Scientology! This is why they cling to disconnection. It is the only way to explain their failures without saying something bad about L. Ron Hubbard or current leadership. They are basically saying that they have been attacked by criminal psychopaths. That is why the Hole is really called the SP Hole, the place where the criminals that tried to take over Scientology are kept. Since there are many more former Scientologists than there are current ones I guess you could say that the subject attracts unstable personalities. Or maybe that it was founded by an unstable personality. Or that it tends to create unstable personalities. You pays yer money and you takes yer choice.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      I found this article to be insightful. It addresses religious fanaticism as an extreme form of transpersonal identity disorder. I like this one because it does not denigrate beliefs and spiritual pursuits and distinguishes that with fanaticism, when and how it becomes destructive. There are bits and pieces that may be of some help in understanding the scientologist who is at that stage of obeying even disconnection orders.

      http://www.psychosynthesispaloalto.com/pdfs/religious.fanaticism.pdf

      • Techie

        Thanks THDNE, haven’t read the whole article yet but it looks to be a treasure trove of insight about these matters. It is very true as Eclipse-Girl notes above that the people who get involved with Scientology are often the ones that love freedom and their fellow man the most, that just wanted to help and were taken in by the beautiful seeming of the Bridge to Total Freedom. I can’t get the memories out of my head – of those times when a good friend suddenly turns on you because the “tech” says he must, of the horrible look on his face of horror at what he must do but closing it up in the TR0 mind trap before you notice. Like when your senior tells you the RPF is the “next step”. Or the Ethics Officer kind of hesitating before telling you to write a disconnect letter. They know, and they are basically good people. It hurts them just as it hurts you. They know in their hearts. I hope somehow some way they will all some day be free too. http://youtu.be/1pR6ho_GSZs

        • Captain Howdy

          Yay Andy!

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Yep, know what you mean. In my case, as I’ve looked back, almost every one of them, and there were many, either died way too young or they’re still in, although most not still on staff as Miscavige seems to like them young and ruthless. For me I realize because of issues I needed help with in the first place caused me to choose the wrong people and disregard my own sharp survival instincts. In time I understood only a handful out of hundreds were not of either the narcissistic type or even a few true blue sociopaths thrown in for good measure. The nice guys do eventually leave and you’re right about that. Nice guys Do have a break point. The other kind are too busy breaking nice guys to even notice that you’re gone.

          Regardless, those are traumatic moments and no one leaves scientology without serious scar tissue. I like to remind the tech inclined that there Are medical professionals in the mental health field that don’t reach for the prescription pad before you even walk in. I just know that if Hubbard had discovered a way to heal mental trauma, he would have healed himself and he didn’t. Forums and friends are great support, but for Professional medical help, I recommend real professional assistance. Oh yeah, and there’s so many good people around to make new happy memories with, those old ones … pfffft!

      • joan nieman

        Very interesting THDNE. Thank you.

    • Mary_McConnell

      Who are the others you state he stole from? I couldn’t find any references to them in the book ‘Take a Look Inside” I believe the DSM definitions first came about after Hubbard wrote about the characteristics. I would appreciate knowing, for references purposes. Thank you.

      • Techie

        Check out the History section in this wikipedia entry. Antisocial Personality Disorder. The characteristics were in the DSM as early as 1952. Hervey M. Cleckley talked about them in 1941. I am not an expert on this, the best book I found on it was The Sociopath Next Door.

        • Mary_McConnell

          Thanks.Will do.

    • Cerulean Blue

      Great post!

      “Since there are many more former Scientologists than there are current ones I guess you could say that the subject attracts unstable personalities. Or maybe that it was founded by an unstable personality. Or that it tends to create unstable personalities.”

      (a) Attracts unstable personalities – perhaps
      (b) Founded by an unstable personality – most definitely
      (c) Creates unstable personalities – evidently, and the lucky ones heal with time after leaving

    • Eclipse-girl

      Scientology preys on the vulnerable, and on the good people who want to change this planet for the better.

    • Panopea Abrupta

      Loving your posts.
      The pen is dipped in a particularly fine quality of vitriol and applied like an old master.

  • BosonStark

    “And there are so many more. Disconnection is real. And it is used
    cynically by Scientology to keep its members inside a bubble. When will
    the larger public understand that this is at the heart of what Scientology is, and not some goofy set of outer-space beliefs that a few celebrities ascribe to?”

    Maybe the public will realize it if either Cruise or Travolta wake up and speak out, and then get disconnected from their families. After all, top celebrities are the reason some critics such as myself noticed Scientology in the first place. Of course, we know exceptions would be made for Cruise or Travolta, if they did wake up and speak out.

    Bascially, disconnection is too complex for people to understand who don’t have a background in Scientology or an interest in it. It’d be interesting to know what percentage of Tampa Bay readers actually read that LONG article on Sara’s Choice. For people not involved in Scientology, it has less impact on their life than something they might use, like the new version of Windows. It’s not like they’re committing genocide. They’d never do that until they got in power.

    I would say that disconnection is at the heart of the way Scientology operates but the heart of Scientology is baloney. It’s selling people a piece of blue sky, and training them to lie to themselves and others, while giving them intermittent feelings of euphoria and allowing them to share in an absurd delusion that they are transforming civilization, and so close to clearing this planet. They have all the answers and now it’s just a matter of “simply having the purpose of doing it and then doing it!”

  • loriisfree

    Disconnection…THIS is why I, and scores of other exes post anonymously. I do not want to lose my son/daughter and grandchildren so I do all I can to speak out without identifying myself to get out information from “the bubble”, and try to help others make sense of the “wog world” they have been insulated from.

    It’s like walking a long and wobbly tightwire. If I fall, it is not only me that will lose. Our family is huge and extremely close. Disconnection would separate them from the love and guidance from grandparents, aunts, uncles, and dozens of cousins. But…..speak out I must.

    So…..the next time you read one of Tony’s or Mikes articles…. see the promo and information they post from the bubble…. remember, a lot of the information comes from us “under the radar” people who pass this along at a high risk!

    We are the soldiers inside that wooden horse.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Thank you. Information coming from inside that bubble is vital to understanding what we see from the outside. Two, maybe it’s three years now, Miscavige evidently ordered all active members to not have any connections of any kind anywhere, anytime. That meant even those who were not active anymore or under the radar but had family in also had to obey this order. That meant any social friends too and what was worse, in business. Many incomes, careers, jobs and even entire businesses were disappeared literally overnight. So it isn’t talked about as much, but Miscavige really lowered the boom. Speaking out meant losing not just every one in your life but everything as well.

      What you do is very much appreciated. DM’s latest moves with GAG2 and bridge do overs, emeters and especially the mass declares will hasten the orgs financial breakdowns this year. There are so few customers now. This will be a banner year. Hope your loved ones will be out soon. The pressure has now been ratcheted up both externally and internally and bubbles are bursting throughout the scientology franchises that dot the landscape. I don’t expect veteran families will walk out everything, but will take a walk knowing management is oppressive. That’s how many of us took our first steps out and started to breathe again. And you will be there waiting for them. Hang in there. Soon.

      • Panopea Abrupta

        My deepest and most fervent hope – thanx, THDNE

      • loriisfree

        Thank you. I will be there for them for sure! My son/daughter once vocalized that he/she feared disconnection from me since I “blew my post” Said ” Mom, I’ll NEVER disconnect from you, no matter what!
        My answer….you have a young child that means the world to you. IF you are ordered to disconnect and don’t then your ***** will disconnect from you! I will NOT be the catalyst of him/her losing the most precious being in his/her life!
        I told him/her that iI know he/she loves me and that I loved them more than life itself. If they are ordered…..then disconnect to save his relationship with my grandchild. GOD! I HATE the thought of the hundreds if others trapped in fear like they are! But…..tick tock tick tock. The hour of judgment cometh!

        • Eclipse-girl

          TY again. You understand what Love is and the sacrifices that are made because of love. Scientology doesn’t.

          • loriisfree

            🙂

    • Eclipse-girl

      Thank you for being a soldier in this fight.

      It must be very difficult to be in your position.

      Thank you for your bravery and courage.

      • loriisfree

        Thank you for the validation. Brave is definitely not what I have considered myself. Brave is Lori Hodgson, Tory, and all those not afraid to publicly speak out under their true identity! I somehow have felt that is is cowardly of me to not make a stand as ME. It has only been recently that I see that what we “under the radar” people contribute to the common goal of bringing this destructive evil cult down! One day….I WILL be out in the open. I expect some kookaide drinker’s jaws may drop in shock when I do. After all…..I’m just a “simple southern country gal.” Too “nice and simple” to see through their BS!

        • Eclipse-girl

          I do not think you should feel less brave because you protect yourself.
          You do a lot of good while being “under the radar.”
          If you did go public, you would not be one of those soldiers working from within.
          Do what you feel safe and comfortable doing.

    • aquaclara

      Thank you. I hope this fear ends soon, and when it does, it will be because of all the brave people like you who are doing so much.
      good luck, Loriisfree.

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    We are witnessing that Reckoning, still waiting for the day they all come home.

    http://i.imgur.com/WJcVzGz.jpg?

  • outraged

    Forced disconnection is one of the most horrific rules of this disgusting excuse of a cherch. How anyone justifies tearing families apart because they have differing beliefs is beyond any sense of comprehension.

    The is clear child abuse. Making parents leave their kids. Forcing parents to put their children into child labor camps. This is clear spousal abuse. Making couples split apart. Not letting members see their loves ones for years even if they are STILL Scientologists.

    This must be the ONLY religious organization in the world that promotes hate, discrimination and violence.

    It is not a cherch it is a gang. A gang of intolerant bullies leading passive sheeple to the slaughter.

  • 1subgenius

    LRH: “The one impulse in man that cannot be erased….”
    And then he lists three.
    Two words: the man was a complete idiot.
    Oh wait….

    • Phil McKraken

      He had a particular style: Every sentence a non sequitur.

      But then, when you get to the content, I’m pretty sure that the human impulse for food and shelter, just for starters, are way more imperative than freedom, sanity and “levels of attainment.”

      • WildaBeast

        Sex. I’m pretty sure that sex trumps food and shelter, at least sometimes…

    • Mooser

      Yes there is that problem, not knowing the difference between one and three. My favorite is “The difference between doing it and not doing…” I read that and mind immediately starts singing:

      “Everybody’s doin’ it, doin’ it, doin’ it…..”

    • kemist

      One disgustingly cynical thing about this quote is that the sick fuck perfectly knew the “impulse for freedom” can be “erased”.

      How else can people be kept for years on end in the horrible conditions which exist in the Sea Arrrrgh and the RPF ?

    • joan nieman

      Ha ha!

  • Xique

    I am currently trying to prevent disconnection with my husban of 31 years. We are walking a very fine line. He feels trapped , and thinks I’ve set the trap by asking him to question his religion. The truth is his religion is the trap. He can not see this for he has been blinded by his religion. ” His religion”, can I tell you I am sick of his religion. It will take some kind of miracle for us not to disconnect. He happens to be a good man and a decent and loving father to our kids. However he feels he has no choice but to pull the plug on us because I’m an enemy of his church. I can not diagree , i am an enemy of his church. It’s kinf of (pardon my French ) fucked up. Forgive me.

    • And I’m Cute, Too

      No need to ask forgiveness of us, Xique. You have friends here. I don’t know if I have any advice worth giving (never having been ‘in’). Borrowing from a former Scientologist’s story, I think one of the best things you can do is show your husband compassion. Along with the truth about the Co$ and all the facts you present, keep letting him know that you love him, no matter what. In that organization, I think that compassion is one thing that everyone is starved for.
      I hope your husband makes the right choice. Sending hugs and good thoughts your way.
      P.S. Technically speaking, it’s not “kind of fucked up”. It’s entirely fucked up.

      • Xique

        Entirely! Thanks Cutie !

    • WildaBeast

      I am hoping for that miracle, Xique. Disconnection should never, NEVER break up a loving marriage that’s lasted decades. AIC,T makes a good point about continuing to show him compassion – though if he’s trying to take out a second mortgage on the house or something you might have to put your foot down HARD. You know you can come here to vent, right? If the frustration is going to spill out on to him at a bad time or just if you need to rant. And…either password your laptop or access entheta from public computers, and maybe you can convince him that you’re not having anything to do with us. I know it’s living a lie but if it can keep your family together…it might be worth it. I don’t know what else to say except we’re here for you.

      • Xique

        Thank you!

    • Mary_McConnell

      try not to be hostile or oppositional when you communicate with him. Read over the the following information that he had been indoctrinated to believe and follow, especially regarding the characteristics of an anti-social personality ( which he has come to believe of you for your opposition ). Certainly you don’t fit all the characteristics. This book is a Narconon illustrated book, same as Scientology different layout and cover. The Ups and Downs in Life Course. Your husband is being forced mentally or by the ethics officer, to apply the information here https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B6nxlq1drI2SMzRhZDU5OWYtYThkMS00YmExLWI5OGQtYTczODdjMTgyYTIy/edit?pli=1 You can download the book from here, as well as other books with information he is familiar with and practicing, Including the Personal Integrity book. http://forum.reachingforthetippingpoint.net/index.php/topic,9728.msg22269.html#msg22269

      Use the Ups and Downs in Life book for information to open a dialogue with him, without him knowing you have read the information, and get him to see that you are worth being connected to.

      Remember love is the most important thing so don’t let yours be dissipated at any time by his reactions.

      I wish you the best.

      • Xique

        Thanks for your thoughts and wishes.

    • Eclipse-girl

      I like the answers the others have given you. Love and compassion. Gentle questioning.

      Could Steve Hassan be a helpful resource?

    • aquaclara

      I’m sorry, Xique. I truly hope you both find happiness again together and are able to work things out. I also hope he realizes what a fabulous thing he has with you.
      While I can’t help with the disconnection part, I did go through a painful divorce after 20 years of marriage. I found someone who loves and respects me totally, and it was the best thing I ever did. No matter what happens, you will survive. We’re here for whatever help you need.

      • Xique

        You’re kind, thank you.

        • aquaclara

          Sending some St Patrick’s Day cheery luck and hope for things to work out.

    • Saint

      When my family disconnected from me, I was incredibly angry. I did not stay angry. I felt the love, and the loss, and did not agree to accept the rules of their church, of which I was not a member. I kept calling them. I did not respect their request that I not contact them. Sure, they did not talk to me, and would say not to call, but I did it anyway. I got one parent to talk to me a little. I kept talking to my siblings. And one day, a sibling sat down with a parent and said, “I miss Saint. I miss Saint in our lives. Saint loves us. Saint has all of these wonderful things happening in Saint’s life, and we are not there to share in that. Not talking to Saint is not ok. You need to talk to Saint.” That happened. And we have never talked about it again, we’ve just talked about how much we love each other. And we show each other loving kindness. And we encourage each other. My parent is still in, wholeheartedly in. That is where they are. But we are not disconnected. Of course, after the disconnection, I became much more interested in why their church had to hide and limit and control. So then, casual observer became a clandestine cheerleader of doom.

      The bottom line is this. You cannot adhere to “their” rules. You don’t need to, because application of their rules will lead to the same result…disconnection. You can’t unlearn what you’ve learned, you can’t trade your integrity because you know it is there. If you accept the rules, then you’ve already lost him. Loving kindness is something you have, and something they cannot take away. Give it, show it. The end is not determined, but the consistent love, kindness, affection, caring, and most importantly, LANDING PLACE can be a gift you give him for 31 years of companionship. I am so sorry that you are going through this. I have a strong sympathetic sense of of anger and disgust, I’m shaking and I’m tearing up. When it happened to me, I just doubled down on efforts to make my own happiness and kept my heart wide open and was ready when they were.

      If this situation is “fucked up,” just remember, that is a THEM issue, not a YOU issue. This is all them, their rules, their issues, not you. It might be hard to believe that, they will say that you are making the choice or you can control the outcome. But no, and no. Their rules, their choice, their outcome.

      MUCH LOVE TO YOU is intended by me, by all the others who are silent here, but reading, by family members who have suffered through the effects of the choices of those in the COS, by commenters here. You are not alone.

      • Ms. B. Haven

        Wise words Saint, very wise. It sounds like you have had a rough patch to go thru and came out the other side in good shape. I am glad that you are not suffering from disconnection policy any longer. I hope that your family is able to continue to weather any pressure that they may be under now or in the future if they are ‘encouraged’ to disconnect.

        “So then, casual observer became a clandestine cheerleader of doom.”

        That has probably happened to everyone who posts here and at other critic’s blogs whether they were ‘in’ or ‘never-in’. As someone posted earlier, it is no longer possible to sit on the sidelines.

        I am curiouser and curiouser.

      • Xique

        Wow , I love what you have to say on this. I am going to double down as you say on happiness and keep my heart wide open. I do not wish to wait on happiness, not at all. This is their problem, it’s where the conflict stems from, not from me. I thank you for sharing your thoughts with me. You’re the best !

    • woodrose

      Within the last couple of months, I saw a video from Tory where she is celebrating that a young man has been gotten OUT of the cult by his loving family. (sorry I can’t provide a link) She says they used the principles in Steven Hassan’s book
      “Freedom of Mind: Helping Loved Ones Leave Controlling People, Cults, and Beliefs”

      She held up the book several times, encouraging people to use it because it really does work. (If you buy the book, may I suggest doing so by clicking on the Amazon link at the upper left on this page, to send Tony a few pennies). Maybe it could help you reach your husband.

      Good luck and best wishes to you, Xique. I really hope you are able to rescue your husband from the cult and save your family.

  • D.Y.G.

    Trudi Battershall is an artist and has been in Scientology for decades. You can use The Hearsay to see a bit of her pottery work. She has to be well into her 80’s now. I found newspaper clippings referring to her art clear back to 1969.

    • Natalia 2.0

      She has a masters degree in fine art and teaches but all the examples of her work I could find are not very impressive. Makes me sad for her 🙁

      • Panopea Abrupta

        The raku pieces on the Potters Guild site are decent.
        Poor woman.

  • Gabbyone

    Disconnection is so terrible because even if family members are fortunate enough to reunite, their relationship can never be the same. Everyone becomes a different person after going through the disconnection experience. Something is lost forever. It is a terrible thing, and hopefully the more exposure it gets, the less likely people will become its victim. The Blaze recently featured the pain of disconnection in a different setting: http://bit.ly/1eGZhIR

  • Zer0

    “The difference between doing it and not doing it is simply having the purpose of doing it and then doing it.”

    L Ron Hubbard: Making people less sane since 1952

    • Panopea Abrupta

      L Ron Hubbard: tearing families apart since the ’50’s

      • TDA1541A

        Including his own families, yes plural that is

        • Panopea Abrupta

          While singing

          da doo run, Ron
          da doo run, Ron
          and so on and so forth

  • Miss Tia

    [first 2 lines by Panopea Abrupta]
    Musical chairs game
    Bohemian Rhapsody
    niblet’s turn to play
    @scientology #haiku #MusicalChairs #ShallWePlayAGame #IsThisRealLife

    [by Panopea Abrupta]
    $cientology
    Miscavige follows Hubbard
    Bad seed, bitter fruit
    @scientology @LRonHubbard #haiku #niblet #fruit #seeds #truth

    niblet declares ALL
    He’s the only true $cieno
    All others S.P.s
    @scientology #haiku #HeHasToDoEverything #CICS #YS #YSCOHB

    [First line, Christ Shelton]
    Living in fishbowl
    Water getting murkier
    Grab a net, GET OUT!
    @scientology #haiku #GETOUT #Blow #Escape #Freedom #YouAreInShit

    It’s not like tithing
    You HAVE to pay set amounts
    To receive service
    @scientology #haiku #IRS #AuditThem #NotAChurch #TaxThem

    They want no critics
    Control what members can see
    Don’t want scam exposed
    @scientology #haiku #Control #BrainWashing #scam #fraud

    [I wanted to do one based on Poe’s Tell Tale Heart]
    Rid yourself of eyes
    Cut up bodies, put in floor
    You’ll hear their hearts beat
    @scientology #haiku #TellTaleHeart #Poe #TooManyDied

    [It was Lady MacBeth who kept washing her hands, right?]
    Blood stains will linger
    Even when not visible
    You know it is there
    @scientology #haiku #TooManyDied #BloodWillNotWashAway

    Peace will only come
    When that which killed them is gone
    No more needless deaths
    @scientology #haiku #LetThemRestInPeace #TooManyDied

    Church of $ci a joke
    World wide joking, degrading
    niblet is punchline
    @scientology #haiku #joke #fraud #scam #punchline

    Forced disconnection
    You must think like us or leave
    No ‘think for yourself’
    @scientology #haiku #DisconnectionExists #Soulless #cruel

    • Panopea Abrupta

      It was Lady MacBeth – “Out out, damned spot..”
      unless she was talking to the dog?

      • Miss Tia

        that’s what i thought, thanks! 🙂

        • aquaclara

          Again, you’ve created such moving poems. Thanks, Miss T!

          • Miss Tia

            Thank you!

  • TDA1541A

    Don’t you know ? Our fearless leader says Disconnection doesn’t exist.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3czQxy3DbQ

  • Panopea Abrupta
    • Dancing Cranberry

      safe

    • Dancing Cranberry

      A couple of new (since last evening) ads:

      http://sfbay.craigslist.org/search/eee?query=“408 409 5398″|”831 426 2146”
      http://sfbay.craigslist.org/search/eee?query=“408 428 2424″|”408 656 9276”

      Let’s knock them down!

      • Robert Eckert

        Disqus mangles the URL’s unless you edit them in these specific ways: put %20 everywhere there is a blank space, %22 instead of every quote-mark, and %7c for every vertical-bar |

        • Dancing Cranberry

          thanks. I’ll try again!

      • BumpIt McCarthy

        Careful, though — looking at the first link, it’s mostly not Scientology ads. I almost flagged a real therapy group!

        • Dancing Cranberry

          sorry about that, Bumpit. The links I provided sent you to the wrong place. Just go to the site as provided by Panopea. Its the sfbay links in the top section.

  • Mark

    No sylph myself (and having just discovered that one of my favourite leather jackets has got perilously tight around the equator since I last wore it last autumn) my heart bled for poor self-deluded Steve from Brum – sort of – (refresh):

    • D.Y.G.

      Looks very snug in the shoulder. How much does a Humanitarian pay to get a jacket that doesn’t fit?

      • Mark

        My thoughts exactly – a LOT.

  • Sibs

    Sea Org poster – what a dramatic image to go with a really horrible quote (not, I suppose, that they’re allowed to think of LRH’s words as hurtful for the brain to read or listen to).

    Dragon warriors made me giggle.

    As soon as I get myself out of bed and drink a lot of water I’m going to go through the links on disconnection. Thanks, Tony, for putting all of these links in one story!

    Edit: Oh, and how the heck is that guy in LA a working actor AND a staff member? There’s no way he has the time or the income to survive…

    • Artoo45

      In LA there are very few who make a living acting. It’s more like actor/model/waiter/masseur. In his case add “slave.”

    • RMycroft

      Have they fought any dragons recently, or was it a past-life thing? Do they even lift?

  • 3feetback-of-COS

    Re: Karen’s video today — it just emphasizes how delusional DM and his followers are. They must be really desperate.

  • Drat

    Oh Karen, I love you! That’s exactly how I felt after an int (interiorization?) event. Totally squashed, but it must’ve been good – everybody’s clapping.

  • Gerard Plourde

    I had to check the Guinness World Records claim from the poster. The four claimed are for “Most Published Works by One Author”, “Most Audio Books Published for One Author”, “Most Translated Author in the World”, and “Most Translated Author, Same Book” (The Way to Happiness).

    Doesn’t that translate into just one – Biggest Pile of Polyglot BS Ever Amassed?

    • Observer

      The snark is strong with you today!

  • Peter Robinson

    I am sure it has been said many times before, but hopefully worth repeating, that disconnection is simply a demonstration of how weak and full of nonsense scifiology is. It is clearly designed to avoid having members of the scam encounter criticism or questioning, and shows that the Loony Rotten Huckster knew full well what garbage he was selling. If he or the current scammer in chief had any ‘faith’ that what they peddle is any use there would be no need for disconnection.

  • sugarplumfairy

    Aaaaaaaaggghhh!!! Philly!! Say it ain’t so…..

    Free Trudi!

    Imma start a campaign.. I’ll let you know date and time of first march..

    • Gerard Plourde

      They’re pretty invisible. Here are pictures of the vacant Idle Org (which was subject to fines for broken windows) and the currently occupied property which they’ve been in since the ’70’s.

      • sugarplumfairy

        We here near Philly like them invisible, vacant and not bothering little old ladies..

  • nottrue

    ……..

    • Captain Howdy

      And all she got was a basketball..and not even a 76ers one at that!

  • Sejanus

    $cientology. We are hypocrites and irrational.

    This organization contends that its teachings and such will free men and make them stronger and more independent. The human being will be able to reach great heights of enlightenment.

    Why then must these strong enlightened beings fear family that disagree with them. Should they not have the power and strength to be able to sway the non believing? Is it not within their super powers to be able to hear words in disagreement or those whom raise questions without being swayed?

    They disconnect, they isolate from information that the world knows is credible and well documented. They run from those who oppose their beliefs, yet will stand and shout in an argument until they know they are lost. A building could burn down around them and they would not believe it if it was contrary to the words of the lunatics who run the organization.

    When I think of rational discussion with a $cientologist I am struck by this image of those I am speaking to…..

    • 1subgenius

      “….rational discussion with a $cientologist….”

      You’d have better luck with a wall.

      • The Mighty Mite was profiled on the Encyclopedia of American Loons:

        http://americanloons.blogspot.com/2014/03/957-david-miscavige.html

        Fish in a barrel. David Miscavige is the leader of the Church of Scientology,
        succeeding L. Ron Hubbard upon Hubbard’s death in 1986. Miscavige has a reputation for being an asshole, and has had numerous allegations made against him in court documents and media reports regarding his treatment of staff,including physical assault, coerced abortions, human trafficking and child labor (some recent allegations here).

        Not that any of those factors, correct or not, would make any difference to whether he counts as a loon – the Narconon alone would suffice aplenty. Miscavige had in fact already assumed much of the control before Hubbard’s demise, instigating a thorough reorganization of the church, starting a large-scale publication program of new versions of Scientology’s books and courses, relaunching The Sea Org, scoring an epic win in 1993 when they reached a settlement with the IRS over the taxes Scientology had been withholding ever since their tax exempt status was revoked in 1967, and beginning its legendary war on all criticism on the Internet (with the usual Streisand effects hot on the heals) and famous defeats).

        • Missionary Kid

          Mighty Mite is a new DM nickname. It’ll be put on the list Monday. I’m keeping it at 666 to honor Bernie Headley’s coming up with that one.

        • Captain Howdy

          American loon blogspot, cool site, thanks.

  • 1subgenius

    Fred Phelps, Sr. is near death.
    Here’s hoping there’s a big demonstration at his funeral.

    • Artoo45

      How about parties worldwide?

      • 1subgenius

        I’m in.

      • 1subgenius

        But a demo at his funeral would have an extraordinary degree of justice and lulz.

        • Artoo45

          How about a clay demo? That would be crafty and fun.

    • Missionary Kid

      How about “God loved you, in spite of being an asshole.”? That would illustrate the love that Christians believe in.

      BTW, I’m an atheist.

      • 1subgenius

        Yeah, something like “God even loved Fred Phelps”
        Anon will deliver.

      • Once_Born

        How about:

        “The best revenge is to be unlike him who performed the injury”
        Marcus Aurelius

        That would illustrate the (secular) good sense of the Stoics.

        • Missionary Kid

          Excellent, but I was thinking in terms that other Christians could relate to.

    • Gerard Plourde

      The stories mention that he allegedly was excommunicated from Westboro Baptist in August of 2013. Did he somehow get too liberal for them?

      • 1subgenius

        Yeah, I saw that and wondered wtf. And yet the hate lives on.
        I don’t think it was him getting more liberal though.

      • 1subgenius

        In a quick scan I saw no mention of it on Wikipedia.

        • Gerard Plourde

          It’s in the Facebook post from Nate Phelps that forms the basis of the news reports.

          • 1subgenius

            Yeah, I was trying to get the basis for the excommunication..

    • Mark

      He’s about to find out that “God Hates Phelps” – if his moronic version of Calvinism is true…

      • 1subgenius

        Ha, ha. Reminds me of a The Onion article where the 9/11 hijackers wake up to find themselves in hell, not paradise. Ooooops.
        Its brilliant.

        • Artoo45

          I already have him written into an upcoming chapter of The Target 2 Chronicles . . .

        • ze moo

          No, it’s 72 vegans, not virgins. More kale?

        • Captain Howdy

          That was an All-Time Classic.

          • 1subgenius

            And, I think, so appropriate to Phelps, and his ilk.
            (“Should I not have done that? Was that wrong?”)

      • Gerard Plourde

        More likely God will send a welcoming committee of Harvey Milk, Freddie Mercury, Truman Capote and Tennessee Williams to see if Phelps really wants to go to heaven.

        • 1subgenius

          That’s deep.

        • D.Y.G.

          You forgot Liberace.

    • D.Y.G.

      I hope everyone just ignores him and his sick, twisted family. Good riddance.

      • Mark

        Careful – the dreaded Shirley might be listening! 😉

        • D.Y.G.

          Yeah that Shirley, she’s a real sweetheart. The entire Phelps gang should be grateful the American public is essentially non-violent, or at least unwilling to do jail time.

          • 1subgenius

            “…essentially non-violent, or at least unwilling to do jail time.”

            That’s an interesting turn of phrase.

            • D.Y.G.

              You know plenty of folks would lay a whooping on these people if they could get away with it.

            • 1subgenius

              Yeah, but that phrase juxtaposes “non-violence” and “at least unwilling to do jail time” in a very interesting way.

            • D.Y.G.

              No doubt I could have phrased it better —

              The majority of Americans are non-violent. The rest would like to beat the shit out of the Phelps crew, but the thought of spending time in jail seems to be an effective deterrent.

            • 1subgenius

              I like it.
              Maybe make more sense without “at least”, but that’s what makes it blow my mind.
              I think I will steal it as “non-violent, or un-willing to do jail time.”
              By the way “willingness to do jail time” is almost required in even law-abiding fights for justice.

    • Missionary Kid
    • Captain Howdy

      Shirley must be chomping at the bit.
      ….

      • Mark

        Arrgh! The dirty hooah! She’s wearing MAKEUP and JOOLS!

      • D.Y.G.

        ….

        • 1subgenius

          I’d do her.

          • Mark

            Yes, but what about Shirley?

            • 1subgenius

              I knew that was coming. And I approve.
              It makes me a great straight-man.
              (And I noticed, just now, that it only took you 5 minutes. Deep respect.)

          • D.Y.G.

            So many comments to be made here, and all of them inappropriate. Sometimes it sucks having to apply an internal braking system.

            • 1subgenius

              Yeah, mine failed there momentarily.

    • 1subgenius

      They were going to demonstrate near me at a funeral. (They make a lot of threats that don’t pan out)
      I went there planning to disrupt/thwart.
      My tactic? An air horn. I would stand next to anyone with a megaphone on their side, and…..
      I was (almost) disappointed they didn’t show.

      • D.Y.G.

        They did that here too when a soldier, also a local policeman, was killed in Iraq. Local biker gangs planned to shield family & friends, along with the Patriot Guard. The Phelps gang never showed.

        • 1subgenius

          All it takes for evil to triumph is for “good” people to do nothing.

        • 1subgenius

          It can be revealed:
          During the early days of Project Chanology a similar tactic (threatening to show up) was employed.
          By me.
          Nothing worse than waiting for your worst fears.
          Its the waiting.

    • D.Y.G.

      Here’s Nate Phelps’ Reddit AMA —

      http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/v99eg/iaman_exmember_of_the_westboro_baptist_church/

      “I think my father is a hateful person first. The religious beliefs gave him a forum and permission to be cruel to the world.”

      He also describes in many comments how he and he family members were physically and psychologically abused.

      • 1subgenius

        I suspect that the excommunication, if true, had more to do with something along these lines.
        Probably worse.

        • D.Y.G.

          They kick him out for all the horrible stuff he did to them as soon as he can’t fight back? I suppose anything is possible.

          I’m running on two theories – either it’s come to light he’s gay, (there were some stories last year by a WBC “apostate” who thinks he had “gay experiences”), or he’s holding out on giving them money.

          • 1subgenius

            That’s why I said “something along these lines” or worse.
            I’m hoping there’s an analogous thing with Scientology, by the way.
            It won’t be for what they knew and tolerated for years, but (they need) something “new”.

          • Missionary Kid

            He could have gotten nastier as he got older. Alzheimers.

            • D.Y.G.

              What if it was just the opposite! My grandma was always mean as a snake and Alzheimer’s-related dementia made her nice. Maybe Fred’s God didn’t hate fags anymore.

            • Missionary Kid

              Snickersnort! Maybe he came out of the closet. Wouldn’t that be ironic?

            • D.Y.G.

              That would be amazing and the lulz might never end.

            • Missionary Kid

              The family would keep it a deep, dark, secret.

            • D.Y.G.

              Nathan Phelps obviously has someone feeding him information. I just read a short article on Buzzfeed that Nate has been given two differing versions for the excommunication, and he’s not going to disclose until he determines which is correct.

            • Missionary Kid

              One could be a shore story, as they say in Clamland, or there could be one faction trying to cover it up, and another that thinks that is evil, or all sorts of different reasons. I’d like to see the family, as constitutes Westbro Baptist, break out into an open schism.

              I believe that when dm bails, that will be the result: open schism, and open warfare. None, however, will have control of the money.

            • D.Y.G.

              I’m not sure what Fred’s death will do to them. They say publicly there is no Leader now, but I think Shirley is firmly in control. She’s been their face and voice for years. Of course she’s “only a woman”, and women must submit. If she screws up in their eyes the whole thing might fall apart. We can only hope.

            • Missionary Kid

              Even according to Nate, there never has been an official leader. De facto, yes, but official no, because they believe that god is their official leader and they are following god’s direct will (as they interpret it, of course).

    • Panopea Abrupta

      “I don’t want him”

    • Sibs

      Not to be a complete and total buzzkill, but it might be better if there wasn’t. Because if there’s a negative demonstration, it’ll only prove to everyone left in the cult that the world is evil and against them. That, and they leech off of any attention they can get, good or bad.

  • Artoo45

    Poor Marcus. Somebody’s been fucking with his Google business . . . at least Wikipedia says he’s still alive.

  • Eclipse-girl

    Don’t know if it has been stated.
    Mike Rinder’s blog has a story of disconnection , too

    http://www.mikerindersblog.org/mary-mccarran-kahn/

  • BosonStark

    Supporting my earlier observation that the general public will never be alarmed about or interested enough to understand the complexity of Scientology’s disconnection policy, the comments section of the the Daily Mail’s coverage of Sara’s choice story reflect this.

    The prevailing attitude about Scientology in the majority of people is: what kind of nutter wants to get their children involved in this known con created by a sci-fi writer? I mean, they think Hubbard is pretty much a well-documented fraud and so anyone who buys into this lame-ass excuse for a religion pretty much deserves it. The OT8 couple were pretty much in favor of disconnection as they went up the bridge to total freedom until it knocked on their door. Although that viewpoint isn’t mine, I can see how people see it this way.

    Another strong contingent is that “all religions are the same” group. When you think about it, it is pretty strange that when Hubbard fashioned Scientology into a new religion, he didn’t consider the mistakes made in the past by various groups and try to avoid them. Instead, it’s as if Scientology embodies the worst aspects of some religions throughout history — scapegoating, intolerance, extreme greed, overly-controlling, elitism.

    Here’s my theory about Scientology. Although it seemingly has broad appeal, and professes to offer help to a person for anything they want, in reality, it appeals to a fraction of 1% of the population. It’s a niche con. Hubbard knew that. That’s enough to make a killing financially. Consequently, the rest of the population will never understand it. To them, it’ll be just WTF? Nutters! That includes disconnection, the private eye harassment, their loony beliefs and delusions of being the only ones with all the answers, here to save the planet, etc.

    What the public misses is things like Narconon — how Scientology has seeped into society in disguise to prey on the most vulnerable people among us. And so, all of their policies and methods deserve serious scrutiny and increased public awareness.

    • Missionary Kid

      Perfect. Unfortunately, it becomes a problem when one’s life is affected by that fraction of 1%.

      • Captain Howdy

        Most people’s lives are affected by a certain 1%.

        • Missionary Kid

          ^^^^^

    • 1subgenius

      Another reason that the disconnection angle doesn’t get traction is the lack of focus on Scientology being a mind-control, brainwashing cult.
      Only if one is mentally enslaved would the fear of losing that addiction out-weigh a parent’s love of a child, and vice versa.

    • Cerulean Blue

      I thought there had been a decrease in the “all religions are the same” group over the recent years, although it’s hard to distinguish the truly ignorant from OSA socks.

      • Gerard Plourde

        I think you may be right. I tend to believe that comment sections of most media web sites aren’t representative of the overall population.

      • BosonStark

        It’s possible there is a decrease, because some OSA socks were probably saying “all religions are the same,” in comment sections, hoping to turn off people like the Christian majority, and make them think there’s nothing wrong with Scientology, and that anyone who says anything critical of Scientology just “hates religion.” The decrease maybe be that OSA socks are posting less, just as the cult now has a spokesliar who has never actually spoken in public.

  • Dylan

    disconnection sucks.

  • 1subgenius

    Here’s hoping that any mainstream media coverage of disconnection links to this page with Tony’s compendium of the subject.

  • Gerard Plourde

    Marcus, competence is the one quality that appears lacking in every Hubbard endeavor (except disconnection and harassment).

  • 0tessa

    I wonder what happens to those still in who have disconnected from their loved ones. They have in fact made a huge sacrifice for their cult (I won’t call it a religion), maybe the greatest sacrifice of all. How will that change a person?
    I’m afraid it will make them even more of a hardliner or a dedicated follower of the cult. Because of the price they had to pay.
    Any other ideas about this anyone?

    • Cerulean Blue

      “I’m afraid it will make them even more of a hardliner or a dedicated follower”

      I’m afraid you’re right. Disconnection maintains the tunnel vision needed to remain a follower of LRH. The ban on verbal tech and co-opted vocabulary helps with this as well.

    • D.Y.G.

      One of the hallmarks of an abusive relationship is that the abuser seeks to separate the victim from from his/her support system. They may disengage from loved ones in a way that seems to indicate it is of the victim’s own will, but this is not really the case. They are manipulated into disconnecting. It makes it that much more difficult to leave when you are alienated from everyone who can help you. You have nothing left but the abuser and so the victim stays, often justifying and minimizing the ongoing abuse because reality is too painful to face. Some people find their way out, and some never do.

      It’s not much of a stretch to translate this to the practices of an abusive cult.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Look up any list of signs you are in a cult and you will see cross similarities of abusive relationships as well as Stockholm syndrome and a host of mental disorders. Organizations like scientology are two faced in more ways than one. It’s a business con but it’s also an intensely personal relationship.

      • pronoia

        The late Robert Vaughn Young — an SP who was waaaay ahead of the curve in so many ways — wrote about the similarities shortly before he died.

        http://www.lermanet.com/cos/mindcontrolmodel.htm

  • Science Doc

    From the Wikipedia article on Malaysian Airlines Flight 370 accessed moments ago:

    Theories[edit]
    Many theories are circulating about the disappearance of the plane. Pilot Suicide was considered but basically ruled when it was known the plane carried on flying for eight hours after it went missing as many other crew members would have had to have been involved. Many people believe the crew may have confiscated all of the mobile phones and flown the plane to a remote island to hold as ransom for higher pay. Alien abduction is also a possibility and would explain how the plane just vanished. The religions Scientology and Raelism entertain this theory so although unlikely nothing can be ruled out. A more likely theory is that the Malaysian Government is in on it and the plane simply turned back to the airport and has been hidden away and the passengers placed in a luxury hotel and paid off for their silence whilst the country enjoys prime time advertising on world wide television. Supposedly after ten to fourteen days the passengers will be returned and this will turn out to be a story with a happy ending.

    • Tony Ortega

      Surely, more evidence wasn’t needed that Wikipedia is complete crap.

      • Science Doc

        That was fast. It’s already gone.

        • Captain Howdy

          Or perhaps you were having some pre-St Paddy’s Day fun, Doc?

          • Science Doc

            Nope. Real deal. I’m very concerned about that flight and would take no humor in this. Someone flagged or deleted it.

            • Captain Howdy

              Sorry. I’m naturally suspicious, in case no one had noticed.

        • 1subgenius

          The nature of the beast.
          As I said, its going to be a field day.

    • Observer

      You will receive my bill for the medical services required to unstick my eyeballs from the position into which they have rolled and become lodged.

      • BosonStark

        Well, I still think maybe they should contact Karin Pouw, just to make sure Xenu is still in his mountain prison guarded by a force field, and that he didn’t get out and take the plane. Or, I guess it could be the work of the Marcabians. If only Dr. Hubtard were alive to offer an explanation for this mystery.

        • Gerard Plourde

          “If only Dr. Hubtard were alive to offer an explanation for this mystery.”

          He’s too busy either basking in the warmth of the Van Allen Belt or dodging freight trains on Venus.

          • WildaBeast

            I think he got hit by a freight train on Venus {and that’s why he’s so late getting back}.

    • 1subgenius

      There will be a field day on Wikipedia.

      • RMycroft

        I’m surprised that they haven’t just locked the article for now.

  • Michael Leonard Tilse

    I love Karen’s videos!
    Though when I hear that over-the-top so-impressed-with-himself David Pomeranian give the announcers spiel I keep waiting for him to swallow his tonsils.

    Events are exhausting. All that hot air and toxic spume. They have become like an oversized synchronized athletic event: The mass start to get to your seats, the on-cue clapping and choreographed standing ovations up-down-up-down-up-down, the internal game of mental steeple chase around the many illogical obstacles, coordinated facial calisthenics of forced smiles and desperate focus of attention, finally running the gauntlet of registrars armed with high power guilt-laden sales pitches and dodging the gaunt book-selling staff on your way to charm an avenue through the multiple layers of security.

    I was wondering if anyone directs the attention of staff members or even public scientologidiots to the out-point that if they turned in a stat graph with no dates on the time axis and no numbers on the quantity axis, just a vague squiggly uptrend line hovering in white space, would they be applauded as vigorously as COB is when he presents his stats in just that way?

  • Michael Leonard Tilse

    Disconnection: The game not everyone can play.

  • Bernie Headley

    No forced disconnection, huh? In December of 2008, Marc, Claire and I received disconnection letters dated the same day, postmarked the same day/location and all with the return address of the HGB in Hollywood. Marc received his from his mother, Trudy, who was living in Cincinnati. Claire received hers from her mother, Gen, who lived in Burbank. I received mine from my daughter, Stephanie, who was in Canada. Coincidence? I think NOT! The letters were written almost 4 years after the actual practice of disconnection had started. My crime? I helped Marc and Claire escape the cult and provided transportation and shelter. It would be more than 2 years before I posted anything on any forum or blog, but my “speaking out” was cited in the letter. My letter was obviously not conceived by Stephanie. Even if the gist of what was said was hers, it was not the way she would have written it. It was typewritten with her signature, but the style and tone were not that of my daughter! It has now been 9 years since I have been able to speak to Stephanie! I have a phone number for her and leave her voicemails, but no response yet. (It is her voice on the voicemail greeting!) I have no way of knowing if she actually believes in what she is doing or is afraid to stray from the policy. I can hope she is waiting for the opportunity to bolt. I can hope she somehow sees some of the press about the cult. I KNOW there won’t be any “church” for her to obey much longer! Oh yeah, DM: Tick, Tock!

    • 1subgenius

      My heart hurts for you. And is inspired by your hope. A hope, by the way, which is realistic.

    • Gerard Plourde

      I hope your daughter gets free of the cult and that you reconnect with her soon.

    • Panopea Abrupta

      The reply (from Karin Puow supposedly) to the Sara’s Choice story is on Rinder’s blog.
      “voluntary practices of the religion”, my ass.
      Among the first posts today, we have the letter from Sara to the COS and their reply.

      • Gerard Plourde

        I think it’s indicative of their lack of touch with reality that they think that comments like “voluntary practices of the religion” in this context would be accepted as normal by most people.

        • RMycroft

          If you can swallow “fixed donations”, then you’ve room for “voluntary practices”. Open your mouth, here comes the rocket ride!

    • anti-niblet

      Thank you for helping Marc and Claire. Your actions helped them move forward and build a new life. It supported Marc’s effort to write his book, which I (a never in) and others, in and out, have read. A book that leads others down a path of awareness. Ultimately that knowledge as well as other information provided here under Tony’s incredible leadership, and other sites, other books, other newspaper articles, other videos…will free your loved ones. Of this I am certain.
      Can we all agree to something? Can we not capitalize the names or references to dm and lrh, they do not deserve the honor. Also, it would be great to see every entry on this blog end with the sign off – Tick Tock!( Oh, I just cant wait). Tick Tock!

      • Bernie Headley

        Excellent suggestion! Corrected my text!

      • Missionary Kid

        That’s a great suggestion. I’ll gradually change those on my lists.

      • aquaclara

        Just edited mine….love your idea.

      • 1subgenius

        Just as long as the use of “peeps” isn’t involved.

        • ze moo

          Peeps are my favorite Easter treat. Even before chocolate bunnies.

          • 1subgenius

            How did I know that intentional mis-interpretation would happen?
            See my edit.
            I swear to God I’ll kill myself if I see her use it again.
            Its wrong on so many levels.

    • aquaclara

      When I first read Marc’s book and reached the part where he reached out for help, I was so relieved. That you stood up to this cult, helped Marc and Claire, and now speak out on behalf of victims is something pretty incredible. Not everyone would be so forgiving or so understanding or brave.

      There will be a time soon when your daughter wants to call for help. The truly great thing is that she KNOWS you are there, waiting with support and hugs.

      And all the while, you’re showing everyone who sees a comment of yours or reads Marc’s book who is thinking of taking that same step that it’s ok to call home again. That family is still there, ready to help.

      And that dads are bigger than the cult.

      • anti-niblet

        Dads are bigger than the cult- LOVE THAT!

    • Doug Parent

      Hang in there Bernie. Imagine what Scilons will have to go through once this shitstorm takes it’s final toll and there won’t be anyone to enforce North Korea style Scientology on them anymore. Probably see a lot of people in denial and not leaving the jail cell. I pity them in advance. Even then they will have to walk the road of truth through all the lies and ugly shit about Hubbard. Glad I got out how I did. Some of those people won’t ever get their heads screwed on straight again no after what. Defend Hubbard and disconnection and his totalitarian ways. Tough gig.

  • Truthiwant

    Scientology continually try to make money out of a crisis.

    Their only goal is to ask for donations. Whether they do something for the crisis or not is totally irellevant.

    I think the line “Qualsiasi contribuzione è comunque accettata” (Any contribution is however accepted) nicely sums up Scientology. I think I should have translated it as “Just give us some money.”

    Translation:

    The Way to Happiness in Ukraine

    Urgent! Help is also needed from Italy. 25 euros per packet. 1010 to conclude.

    (Any contribution is however accepted)

    “All you have to do is keep The Way to Happiness flowing in the society. Like gentle oil spread upon the raging sea, the calm will flow outward and outward.” – LRH

    • Panopea Abrupta

      Comunque , just F*#k off.

    • Observer

      Any contribution is however accepted, but if it isn’t sufficient you will be hounded until you come up with an amount that is.

      • Truthiwant

        I’ll tell you something from first hand experience.
        Even if you give them just 1$, you are put on a list of ‘donators’ and you will then be phoned up at any time of the day or night to give money for any type of fundraiser.
        It’s 2 years now since I’ve had a phone call because they know I am an SP.

  • Graham

    “It was the kind of impossible choice faced by other Scientologists every day.”

    Unless you’re Tom Cruise of course.

  • ze moo

    The problem with this pyramid scam is that they sell you your own imagination and keeping everyone who is imagining something different from comparing notes is very hard. . Once everyone notices that they are buying different “Pieces of Blue Sky’ things start to fall apart. That is why you can’t talk about your ‘cases’ with anyone but the staff. Keeping discipline in such a scam requires a lot of ‘supervision’ from the scammers. Their interests are only in keeping the cash flowing. Anyone who threatens that is the SP.

    With so many contradictory ‘orders’ and policies, the staff can pick and choose any outcome that suits their purposes. Their only real purpose is ‘keep the cash flowing’. Disconnection and ‘taking away someones eternity’ is the only real hook that the clampire has. Disconnection may destroy your business and social circle. That is a very powerful tool.

    Everything in the clampire is about Lroon and the tech that will save the world. It was hard enough for Lroon to keep the scam together, now Miscavige with his wholesale declares and expulsions has taken the negative reinforcement end of things to their {for him} logical conclusion.

    A cult with only negative reinforcement is doomed to whither, and Davy has withered the cash flow down to maybe 10 thousand paying customers. How many broken families are in that litter pile? How many broken lives? What positive reinforcement is left? Only ‘upping your status in the IAS’. A big certificate to hang on the wall isn’t much reinforcement. Is being allowed to go to Clearwater for the SP rundown enough incentive? Not many pass the loyalty muster for that boutique exorcism.

    All the tales of families and friends broken apart by this just make my blood boil.

    Karen D L C, love the video, nice snag of the dwarfenführers speech. I laughed my ass off.

    • 1subgenius

      Your post is umami for the brain.

  • Graham

    Steve the “humanitarian”: You’ve been a $cientologist for over forty years and still there are only 2 418 $cientologists in the whole of England and Wales (Population 56.1 million). To misquote Douglas Adams, this must be some new definition of “We’re so close I can taste it” of which I was previously unaware.

    • 1subgenius

      I’m disappointed (even though if it weren’t for disappointments I wouldn’t have any appointments), that no one has picked up on that unfortunate choice of words to make fun of.
      I tried, for a while, but couldn’t quite nail it.

    • Observer

      And it tastes like pork rinds, whale blubber and bitter, bitter tears.

    • Panopea Abrupta

      It was 48.7 million in 1971 – so an increase of 7.4 million.
      That means an extra 111,000 SPs (at 1.5%) in the same 40 years.
      Not looking good.

      I’ll drink to that.

    • Once_Born

      Well… 2,418 Scientologists… less visiting foreign ‘students’… in 2011 (when the census was taken).
      Three years later, after all that has happened in that time, there may be a few less.

  • nottrue

    Way to go Joe…….

  • Panopea Abrupta

    RED-X RED-X RED-X

    My blood boils when I read the C of $ reply to Sara’s Choice:

    “Any inferences that the Church interfered in the private affairs of this family
    or any other are categorically untrue.”

    Interfere with the “Church” right here:
    https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-62#post-2434950

    ty Baby

    • Eclipse-girl

      for safety

      • Panopea Abrupta

        aegerprimo will take it at 5 – can you watch for it and guard ap’s post ?

        • Eclipse-girl

          Yes. I will be leaving at 4:00 EST, though

          • ForLease

            Under an hour: http://tampa.craigslist.org/search/eee?query=%22441+2387%22|%22442+3922%22|%22443+4111%22|%22445+4309%22|%22445+4387%22|%22461+1282%22|%22467+5000%22|%22501+9913%22|%22501+9996%22|%22895+5404%22|%22813+872+0722%22|%22813+752+0148%22|%22813+397+2218%22

          • Dancing Cranberry

            I’ll watch Aegerprimo’s back.

    • Graham

      My blues are now all purple 🙂

    • AnonRedX

      Really now, discus has gobbled up TWICE my comments about Forlease’s tips.
      New ads in Sacrament and SFbay.

  • Jo

    This has been posted on most of scientology FB, Did you know? L. Ron Hubbard, founder of the #Scientology religion and the nation’s youngest Eagle Scout built some of the very first trails on Mount Rainier. The link on FB deleted my comments 🙁 http://newsok.com/scientology-founder-built-trails-on-mount-rainier/article/feed/660433 Here’s a link to the historical society http://www.nps.gov/mora/historyculture/upload/Wonderland-Trail-History_13-4-Sadin_web.pdf No mention of Ron? See pics 🙂

    • media_lush

      pretty sure it’s a “paid” news story as any negative post gets taken down pretty quickly (I posted this a few days ago and noticed mine and other commentators here disappearing)

      • Gerard Plourde

        I agree. I think this quote pretty much sums up its credibility (or lack thereof) – “Finn is a volunteer with Friends of L. Ron Hubbard Foundation, and he told The News Tribune that his research started with notes written by the founder of Scientology alluding to trail work during his time as a Tacoma Scout.”

        • Captain Howdy

          Isn’t crazy Margaret Lake one of the friends of lrh creators?

          • Gerard Plourde

            Don’t know. But I just found this howler on the “Friends of L. Ron Hubbard” website

            “Was L. Ron Hubbard a millionaire?

            L. Ron Hubbard was one of those fortunate people who never made problems over money. He inherited some wealth at an early age, but in the early 1930s became one of the highest paid writers in America, long before Dianetics. He was a millionaire several times over from his book royalties. His public book sales continue to be astronomical.”

            • RMycroft

              Astronomical, as in Hubbard’s myths were exploded a long time ago, but the light hasn’t reached their brains yet.

            • GalacticGreg

              Just for eyeballs who pass this way who might not be aware, Lafayette Ronald Hubbard, Sr., was writing for a penny a word in the 1930s/1940s. And *was not* a high-paid writer.

            • Gerard Plourde

              Thanks for adding the note. I forget that we often get new eyes on the site who may not be fully versed in Hubbard’s and the cult’s duplicity.

            • RMycroft

              Not even in that genre. Isaac Asimov has written detailed accounts of the word rates he was getting through that period, and it was a lot more than Hubbard. (Partly because he wasn’t dumping so many stories on the bottom-feeders of the pulp world.)

            • Eclipse-girl

              Ron did not inherit any wealth. He was notorious for running up bills and not paying them. I thought I read that in Bare Face Messiah, and that it happened while in his 1 or 2 yrs at college.

              Writing pulp was a way to get food on the table, and Ronnie was prolific. But he was by no means wealthy. I do not think he paid Polly much if any child support. A tailor tracked him down in the navy when he hadn’t paid his bill.

            • Gerard Plourde

              I know. That’s why I referred to it as a “Howler” (as in “I can’t believe they wrote this hilarious lie”)

            • Eclipse-girl

              I just get so upset by the lies that are maintained by the cult.
              The lies have have been thoroughly debunked.

              But oh no, those debunkers can not be true because then Ronnie wouldn’t be exceptional. Ronnie was exceptional at lying to others, inflating his own achievements, and cruelty to others.

            • OrangySky

              “Inherited some wealth at an early age?” “One of the highest-paid writers in America?” (for his penny a word stories?)
              Face palm.
              Oh God. The whoppers get bigger and bigger, the more desperate they become.

        • RMycroft

          Other incidents where the Friends of L. Ron Hubbard have appeared:
          * Battlefield Tilden May 11, 1997, Mike Wilson, St. Petersburg Times
          * Scientology Pals Kicked In $50,000 Toward U.N.’s Big Elephant Statue February 7, 1999, Julie Lipper, New York Observer
          * West Valley City recognizes L. Ron Hubbard Day February 21, 2011, Pamela Manson, Salt Lake Tribune
          * Will the L. Ron Hubbard House Turn a Camelback Neighborhood Into a Scientology Recruitment Mecca? February 5, 2009, Robrt L. Pela, Phoenix News

      • Jo

        They haven’t removed my FB post 🙂

        • media_lush

          there’s only one comment on the ‘actual site’ which says “great”…. your facebook is limited to those of your friends you allow to see your posts

          • Jo

            I know that got deleted, I meant the riverpark mission FB. Here’s another post of theirs, the emeter matches the background and ad 🙂

    • Eclipse-girl

      There is no record that Ron was youngest Eagle scout, either.

      • 1subgenius

        Picky, picky.

      • kemist

        And I can’t understand how that would even be of any importance whatsoever. Who would even care about that ? If I saw that on someone’s job application I would reject it just because I don’t want to work with narcissistic assholes who bask in their own self-importance.

        It’s a bit like the account about him as a child being applauded by the audience at his grand-dad theatre. It serves no purpose but to make him look like a bragging ass even as a kid.

        But that’s what pathological liars do. They lie even when there’s no advantage or point in doing it. They’re addicted to lies.

        • Eclipse-girl

          Talked to my husband ( an eagle scout) about it.

          You usually do not become a scout until age 12. Eagle scout is an achievement of 21 merit badges, and a project. It is possible that this trail creation was Ron’s project.
          Getting 21 merit badges in a yr or 18 months is possible.

          I agree with you seeing it on application of 30 yr old is ridiculous, seeing on the application of a teen is understandable.

      • SvenBoogie

        I’ts funny this claim was made just after ‘bare faced messiah’ went back in print, as the claim is completely debunked in the book.

    • 1subgenius

      I guess that I am surprised (after all these years) that in addition to all his other imaginary accomplishments, they haven’t added my personal “damning with faint praise” phrase:
      : “…and he was a Notary!”

    • OrangySky

      Oh brother.

  • outraged

    Don’t mean to derail the thread but I am SO confused about all the acronyms in Scientology. Can someone please just list a fairly basic group of the main one’s? IAS, CSI, CSC, PAC, IOSHA, and so on. The one’s that trip me up most are the different types of groups. What is Flag? A building, an acronym, a course?

    Maybe there is a link somewhere which already has a list. NOt ever being in I realize that it might take me a lifetime to understand. Is there Scientology Acronyms for Dummies book?

    • GalacticGreg
      • Missionary Kid

        I didn’t see yours and posted my answer before I got down here, Greg. Yours is more complete. Thanks.

        • aegerprimo

          Me too GG and MK.

      • outraged

        Thank you!!

        • GalacticGreg

          I and Max Spaceman thank you back!

    • Panopea Abrupta

      You mean SAD for short, right?

      It’s called The Malignant Esperanto dictionary.
      It is currently out of print except in the Mongolian edition.
      I have a copy and from the blurb, this quote really stuck with me:

      “That’s no way to run a cult” David Koresh

      • GalacticGreg

        you rock, PA!

      • Captain Howdy

        “That’s no way to run a cult” David Koresh

        I was watching the dopey (but fun) The Following the other night and evil Joe Carrol is talking to the wife of the cult leader of the cult he’s hiding out with, and the wife tells Joe he better respect their religion and Joe responds “I don’t see any real religion here, he just seems to be making it up as he goes along”,. Hah!

      • outraged

        Actually I did mean SAD for short. But I was thinking more Seasonal Affective Disorder. :-}

        Miscavige isn’t running a cult. He is running the modern version of a concentration camp.

    • 1subgenius

      I am gob-smacked by the concept of “Scientology For Dummies”.
      I think this could be HUGE.

      • SvenBoogie

        I wasn’t aware there was any other kind

        • 1subgenius

          No, really, I think it could be HUGE.

          • outraged

            me too. From above:

            “And aren’t there different types of main buildings in all the countries? If someone starts up a Sci. group in some city somewhere, god forbid, what would the building be called? Or does it not start as a building. And are the building names hooked into the group names? Are the only Ideal Org.’s new buildings? Can you have an Ideal Org. without a new building?

            I could go on forever. I really do need Scientology For Dummies.”

            • Missionary Kid

              All of $cientology is controlled from the top. No mission or org is opened without direction or permission from the top. What the scam is, is that the International Association of Scientologists (controlled by David Mismanagement) is what ends up calling for an org to become “Ideal.” That’s dm’s attempt at moving upmarket. Supposedly, it was triggered by Tom Cruise, who took someone into an org, and it was kid of seedy and run-down.

              David Makemerich has continually raised money for the ideal orgs, yet work one on them has been slow. They are all owned by IAS, and not the individual org members. After it is built and furnished with their money, the members have to pay IAS rent.

            • outraged

              So the Org IS the building.

            • Missionary Kid

              From the Operation Clambake dictionary: Org, Noun. Organization; a cult group, internally called a
              “Church.” Org usually refers to a Class IV Org (now Class V);
              Higher up than a low level Mission or franchise, but lower than a
              Class XII Org, or Advanced Org, (AO), or Saint Hill Org. ASHO
              stands for the American Saint Hill Org, while AOLA stands for the
              Advanced Org, Los Angeles. Both ASHO and AOLA are higher up the
              power chain than a Class V Org.

              It’s actually the group, but it’s used almost interchangeably with the building, just like you would refer to the local Baptist church. It is NOT A CHURCH.

            • outraged

              Thank you. Maybe possibly I am beginning to understand.

              The Advanced Org. AO is higher than a Class V but not Class XXII. And the Saint Hill Org. is an Advanced org on par with the AOLA.

              All of these are Groups i.e. Buildings but not Churches. Is there actually a Church in the Church of Scientology?

            • Missionary Kid

              Only for tax purposes.

      • outraged

        I can just see the cover now….

    • Missionary Kid

      Here is the Xenu.net source http://www.xenu.net/archive/dictionary/
      Here is a shorter one, from the Tampa Bay Times Edit: http://www.tampabay.com/news/scientology/article1048137.ece

    • Eclipse-girl

      Flag is the headquarters in Clearwater. The super Power building which I call the SP building has been renamed Flag. I believe there is an acronym for a course a Flag that is FLAG. It can get very confusing. I like the glossaries at the ends of Marc’s and Jenna’s book. That helped.

      After a while, you will get comfortable with the scilon speak. Then you realize how far down the rabbit hole you have gone

      • Frodis73

        What she said! It does take some time but you will slowly notice you can follow what is being talked about…it kinda creeps into your brain that way.

        • Eclipse-girl

          The sad thing is that is doesn’t take a life time to understand.

          It just takes a few months of reading the bunker and books.

          • Panopea Abrupta

            The crucial building blocks to one’s understanding begin with:

            YSCOHB – this is a kind of religious benediction and blessing from His Absolute Oiliness, the Popessa of Scifi-ology

            ML – this is also crucial to an deep inner understanding of the arcana and spiritual depths to be found in this fake (oops, faith.) It is ideally illustrated in the letter Sara Goldberg received (and her husband uploaded to this very comment section earlier today.)

            OT – another vital component. Though still not certain, never having completed KNOTS, I am pretty sure it means Opening Tuna. There is certainly a fishy smell about it – though it might be Hubbard’s baited breath.

          • outraged

            But I HAVE been reading the bunker, all the blogs.

            What are the Ideal Orgs, or as we call them, Ideal Morgues. How do they fit in?

            And aren’t there different types of main buildings in all the countries? If someone starts up a Sci. group in some city somewhere, god forbid, what would the building be called? Or does it not start as a building. And are the building names hooked into the group names? Are the only Ideal Org.’s new buildings? Can you have an Ideal Org. without a new building?

            I could go on forever. I really do need Scientology For Dummies.

            • Eclipse-girl

              There used to be Orgs, and and missions.

              Missions were more casual, that I can tell. They would offer stuff only up to clear, or so I thought. Then you had to go to an Org.
              Missions where run by one or two people, who owned the franchise. They employed auditors and whoever else they needed to provided scientology services. I do not know how much input Sea Org had, if any, in a mission
              These franchises did send money up the line to the church, but they were pretty lucrative. The owners of the mission and the auditors could actually make a living.

              Then in ?1988 David pulled off what I refer to as the Mission Massacre.

              Basically the people who owned these franchises were told they no longer owned the franchise. David cut these people out. These people lost the ability to keep the cash to make a living. More money had to go up the lines to the church. People who were running successful mission were pissed off, and many left and set up independent services.

              Missions still exist, but Orgs were pushed hard. I think it is a mission in Milwaukee / Racine. There is an Ideal Org in St Paul that has opened, but the one is Chicago may be fighting an Urban Blight case, soon.

              I think Orgs can take a person through a few OT levels, maybe up to OT III.
              They are run by public staff and Sea Org. They are highly regimented by using hub – tech.

              Ideal Orgs came into place supposedly after Tom Crusie took a friend to an Org and it wasn’t as nice as Tom Cruise though it should be. I thought this was in the early 2000s.
              They are far bigger than to need to be, because the demand isn’t there for services, and the people aren’t there like auditors to get a person through the work. (that is my impression)

              Every Org should be an ideal Org, according to Davey, or so I thought. It takes a shit load of money from the locals for that to happen.

              One part of an Ideal Org is to rely on a lot of DVDs rather than people to explain whatever course work you are doing. There are supposed to be lots and lots of TV screens in the lobby areas of Ideal Morgues.
              All Ideal Morgues are supposed to get people though all the course work until a certain point , be it OT III or OT V, until they need to go to Clearwater.

              Anyone feel free to correct me. I am relying on my memory and I get things wrong all the time. I have not lived through any of this.

            • outraged

              So the missions became the Orgs which morphed into Ideal Morgues because of celebrity influence? thank you. I appreciate the time you took with the answer. It is becoming clearer. Not that I will ever be clear. no pun intended.

              Are Not-Ever-in’s allowed to make bad Scientology jokes?

            • Eclipse-girl

              There were Orgs is places where there were missions. A lot of missions closed. Orgs stayed and maybe got more business because of the closure of missions.

              remember not every city has an Ideal Morgue yet.

              Yes, we are allowed and encouraged to make very bad jokes.

            • Eclipse-girl

              The mission massacre happened in 1982. It was said the Ron had ordered it, and maybe there are orders that he did. It was also the time when Ron was in hiding and increasing loopy. This was when Pat and Ann Broeker went into hiding with Ron.

              Orders pass from Ron, and then were given to David in the desert.

              David was present at the Mission Massacre and seemed extremely cruel to those who objected to their livelihoods being taken away.

    • Flower Girl

      It’s confusing. What I learned while in the SO is that Flag is headquarterd in Los Angeles. The Clearwater base is called the Flag Land Base (FLB) as it encompasses many buildings. There is a Flag Land Base course that you take as part of your initiation as a Sea Org member.

    • aegerprimo

      Bookmark this for future reference.

      Acronym & Terminology FAQ from Operation Clambake
      http://www.xenu.net/archive/dictionary/

      • outraged

        Thank you!

    • Her_Royal_Blondeness

      You aren’t derailing. Your question is perfectly valid. I am also a never in. I have been following the shenanigans of the Co$ for a little over a year now, and have been a daily visitor and occasional poster here at the Bunker since about August. I still find some of the lingo/acronyms to be confusing. The link that aegerprimo provided below is a great resource. Also, don’t be afraid to ask questions here. Most posters are very friendly and are happy to help “never ins” to understand the complexities of the organization.

  • RMycroft

    An excellent article! A moving (boiling) human story, followed by light humor and wtf. Oh, and links and tags, lots of links and tags.

    • 1subgenius

      I am thinking that the compendium of disconnection stories would have been better served separate from the Sunday Funnies for purposes of linkiness.

      • Captain Howdy

        It’s one of those greek tragicomedy things.

        • 1subgenius

          I know what you mean.
          You have to laugh at the fact that nothing is funny anymore.

          • Mooser

            My whole life has been a geek tragedy. How did the ancient Geek tragedian Euripides Pantz put it? In these immortal words:

            “It’s a first-class tragic trauma,
            to be told you’ve humped your Momma,
            And further hear you’ve murthered Dear Old Dad.”

            • RMycroft

              It’s not as if they weren’t warned, but did they listen, ooh no!

        • Once_Born

          Like the drunk gatekeeper in Macbeth – comic relief at the height of the tragedy…

        • RMycroft

          With singing goats. I guess the ancient greeks didn’t have lolcats.

      • RMycroft

        Link them all, and the database will know its own!

  • GalacticGreg

    Disconnection is mandatory in Hubbardworld for the fundamental reason that — if $cientology Inc. allows their members to speak with a member who has left the cherch, then that person may try to show the still-in member some of all the damaging material that is against $cientology.

    Hubbard devised a complete control system in his Long Con. Wives & Husbands, Sons and Daughters – no member may speak about their beliefs and experiences in $cientology to any other $cientologist member but their auditor/case supervisor. Why?

    For, What’s true for you, is true for you. Hubbardthink – the single lock on the mind of the member. This exists to maintain their membership from decreasing by those who leave convincing those still in to leave, also.

    Hubbard devised this rule because, when an individual becomes aware of many of the $cientology beliefs, they will want to discuss the ideas — and if that is allowed, people would leave in droves. Here’s the ideas Hubbardthink forces Hubbardworld members to refrain from talking about.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyemWoc7Cuc

    • Missionary Kid

      To hear lrh (I’m now putting his initials in lower case to indicate my disgust) speak not only revolts me, but it illustrates his ignorance of physics, astronomy, and reality.

      Space is warm? Bullshit. That’s just one illustration.

      • Panopea Abrupta

        He was COLD.

        • Missionary Kid

          Yeah, lrh was one cold mutherfucker. Look at how he treated people.

          Space itself is cold. http://imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/ask_astro/answers/980301b.html It’s up to over two degrees Kelvin (absolute zero) because of background radiation.

          • Tory Christman

            Agreed…and Disconnection SUCKS, but CONNECTION is even Better! I lost *all* of my 30 year “Scientology friends” OVER NIGHT, and my Husband of 27 Y E A R S due to speaking my mind in July of 2000 and leaving that phony, bogus-fraudulent-business PRETENDING to be a “church”. Andreas asked me, on-line from Norway (someone never “in” who created xenu.net): “What kind of friends could those be if they’re going to leave you because you changed your mind?” BINGO! My personal Scio-Truman show POPPED right there, with that question. Once I realized…these peeps are ONLY My “friends” IF I jump through their hoops THEIR WAY”. That was IT for me.

            The absolute shock for me was ALL of the Connections I did make, once I finally made the leap and left! These are *wonderful* people, all around the world: You all and many others, too! Also, MANY friends who used to be “in” and left, often years before me. I had no idea they were out! $cientology keeps that from their members, unless s/one is what they call an “Opinion Leader”. (Then, naturally, so many people know the person they HAVE to make up horrific stories of why they are gone).

            Granted, many of you live w/ the Net, so it seems so easy to say “Why would you, or they stay “in”? Try to keep in mind the vast majority “in” Have NEVER had access to computers (they joined way before the Net, and $cientology has put in their heads only evil things are written on it re $cientology that will harm THEM….mostly by peeps who has “Huge misunderstandings about their tech, OR were evil themselves”.

            Well, to any “in” I ask you: *I* was security checked 2/year for 7 years…so IF your “tech” works, why the F*** didn’t you catch this SP (or the tons of others, too, including the vast majority of Executives now out)? IF I had “so many MU’s” ….in 7 Y E A R S of “6 month checks”…going to Flag every 6 months and having to do “Corrections” where ALL WE DID WAS CLEAR UP GD *supposed* “MU’s”…………….WTF? Do you honestly stand behind that black PR regarding myself or others? WTFU!

            And Tony—thanks for being diligent and persistent for SO many years. 🙂
            Happy St Patty’s Day to ALL :::Cheers::: Tory/McGooski 🙂

            • Missionary Kid

              Yup. You’re right on the mark. Disconnection from family, (Parents/children/siblings/spouses) is especially painful.

              I’ve watched Derek make some wonderful changes since he was forcibly disconnected. His connection with other relatives and new friends has caused him to blossom incredibly.

              I, a never-in, look at the disconnection from other cult members, aside from family, as losing acquaintances that became friends because of propinquity. They were friends because they happened to be in close proximity for a long time.

              The tech absolutely doesn’t work, and that is amply illustrated by all of the supposed SPs who were never detected before they defected. E-meter=bullshit=tech=lrh=dm.

            • aquaclara

              Happy St Patrick’s Day, Saint Tory Begorrah! May the sun keep smiling on you and you friends for many years to come!

              These are tough stories today. And even the funnies are sad. And not a single light-hearted and joyful Irish celebration among them. My heart goes out to everyone who has lost family or friends from disconnection.

              May this be the year it happily ends. I will join the tap dancing when the wall finally comes down.

            • OrangySky

              Yay Tory!

            • richelieu jr

              Gods Tory, I love your story and attitude so much!

      • GalacticGreg

        Then there’s these 2, Mish, that are just such __________. You fill-in the blank ! [from L. Ron Hubbard audio presentations 1967-1969]

        — “There’s saucer crews here. There’s all sorts of things on earth here from the Fifth Invader Force. Very interesting. This is directly and violently in opposition to the Fourth Invader Force. And the Fifth Invader Force, out of its own protection, took over Venus. All relatively modern times. Took over Venus and tried to stabilize the Venusian … If you called a 5th Invader, though, a Venusian, he would probably shoot you out of hand- because it would be a horrible insult … They merely monitor the government of Venus. And they leave Mars strictly alone. This is really, roughly, a rundown of the quote, political situation, in the Solar System.”

        — “And although I don’t think you’d get much pleasure out of kissing a girl from Jupiter . . .”

        • Missionary Kid

          What a crock of shit. He couldn’t keep anything straight or believable, even in the field of his supposed expertise. All of his knowledge of space was from the pulp magazines of the 1920s and 30s, with a smattering of terminology that he picked up in the 60s.

        • OrangySky

          How high was he when he gave that speech?

          • WildaBeast

            They must have had some REALLY strong prescription medications in the 1950s-1970s. I miss all the fun stuff! :p

          • grundoon

            How high? How high? He was cruising above the Van Allen Belt! He was up, up, up, to the Heaviside Layer! That cat was hopping freights on Venus, man! Yeah, you might say he was high.

    • richelieu jr

      To think I’ve been pronouncing ‘galaxy wrong this whole time!

      • Missionary Kid

        Don’t forget to let Neal deGrasse Tyson know, too.

  • Captain Howdy

    Just wanna say I’m glad to see everyone brought their A game today.

    This is the kind of controlled anarchy that made the Bunker comments section (in)famous.

    Happy St Patrick’s Day to all you degenerates

    • Missionary Kid

      That’s angry apostate degenerates to you.

      • Mooser

        Angry apostates from the Deuteronomy 22:12 of the internet, too!

        • Missionary Kid

          The strippers I’ve seen only wear half that.

          • Mooser

            “The strippers I’ve seen only wear half that.”

            Talleyrand was always my favorite disrobeist, if you get my drift.

            • Missionary Kid

              We’re both too young for Sally Rand.

        • Mooser

          And this being Sunday, a day consecrated to Scriptural contemplation ( he turns the Dorothy Norwood CD up to high volume) one cannot help wondering if Solomon 6:11 doesn’t contained a veiled reference to Scientology.

          • Missionary Kid

            Huh? I see no connection with “I went down to the grove of nut trees to look at the new growth in the valley, to see if the vines had budded or the pomegranates were in bloom.”

            I like the first part of Isaih 5:11, “Woe unto them that rise up early in the morning,” That’s why I’m an Innerspring Methodist, or Sunday Morning Bed Baptist.

            • Panopea Abrupta

              Born-Again Pagan myself.

            • Missionary Kid

              I don’t even rise to the category of Pagan. I’m a flat out atheist, after spending 30+ years calling myself an agnostic.

              My attitude is, you can believe anything you want as long as you don’t force your beliefs on or harm others or insist that I participate in your beliefs.

              Many times, I call myself a Pastafarian.

            • Panopea Abrupta

              A joke, no more.
              Belief systems get in the way of life.

            • Missionary Kid

              Yup.

            • woodrose

              My joke of a religion is Clausian. I’m a follower of Santa Claus; I try to be jolly and giving.

              (I was a pastafarian until I learned he boiled for my sins. Eek! Kinda turned me off the Great Noodle)

            • Missionary Kid

              :-)))

            • grundoon

              A misquote. The Noodly One boiled for our cena (that’s “dinner” in Spanish).

              FSM is great, FSM is goodle, we thank Him for our daily noodle. Ramen.

            • woodrose

              Blessed are the strainer-heads, for they assist the clueless.

              Thanks for setting me straight.

            • richelieu jr

              i don’t know about the ‘new growth’, but the old one was on LRH’s forehead.

            • Missionary Kid

              Snickersnort!

    • Sherbet

      Did I miss anything interesting? Please don’t make me read 500 posts to find everyone’s A game.

      As for the Sunday flyers, I’m retching, but that’s what I usually do when I read them.

      • Captain Howdy

        You missed some pathos and some bathos and the ice cream truck.

        • Sherbet

          OK, you convinced me. I’m goin’ in. If I don’t come back in a couple of days, send in the Volunteer Ministers.

          • Missionary Kid

            Read Tony’s posts, then skim, baby, skim!

            • Sherbet

              Coming up for air. Sheldon visited? Wow!

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist
            • Captain Howdy

              Speaking of vulture ministers, does anybody know what type of boat this is?
              ….

            • D.Y.G.

              Looks like an old ferry boat.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Looks like Traditional Brazilian Amazon riverboat.

              http://footage.shutterstock.com/clip-2629382-stock-footage-brazil-amazon-forest-circa-traditional-boat-on-the-amazon-river.html?src=rel/2629361:5

              Miscavige should just buy himself a big riverboat like in Philip Jose` Farmer’s “The Fabulous Riverboat”. There can’t be more than a few thousand with any real money left. He can be Captain Bloodaxe with his magic copper rods and bring them on board to paddle down the perpetual river. He wouldn’t even have to alter the plot or storyline much, although he would of course. We all know who “X” represents and Livy.

              “Twenty years after humanity was resurrected on Riverworld, Sam Clemens is traveling with the crew of a Viking longboat, captained by Eric Bloodaxe,who is notable for having an axe of metal on the metal-poor Riverworld, where this is a rarity, to find the source of this metal. Clemens is accompanied by a prehistoric hominid whom he has named Joe Miller, who protects Clemens from Bloodaxe’s crew. Clemens is also anxious to be
              reunited with his terrestrial wife, Livy. Unknown to the others, Clemens had been contacted by a mysterious being whom he named X, who claims to be one of the beings responsible for resurrection. X sends a nickel-iron meteorite into Riverwold, not far from Clemens. Clemens and his crew survive the resulting shock wave; but discover Livy dead, to be resurrected thousands of miles from him. Eternal passengers would bring their own strange fog and luck for them, there’s already a policy on overboarding.

              Following the shock, all survivors in the region are put to sleep by a strange fog, and awake to discover the valley restored to a pristine condition. In search of the meteorite, the crew are joined by Lothar von Richthofen, who becomes a trusted ally of Clemens against Bloodaxe. Where the meteor fell, the crew find a new group of resurrected, who have formed a nascent kingdom, which they annex. During mining, Clemens has Bloodaxe assassinated.

            • Captain Howdy

              Amazon river boat? Is it searching for the Creature from the Black Scientology Lagoon?

              Thanks your Holiness and D.Y.G

            • Sherbet

              😀

  • DamOTclese2

    “As an artist and actor nobody on the whole planet has ever heard of…”

  • Panopea Abrupta

    RED-X Alert

    4th Tampa search in the Recent Entries – all new and fresh from the oven

    Put ’em out of their misery – there’s about 7 or 8

    https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-62#post-2434950

    • Eclipse-girl

      for the love

      (((HUGS)))

    • AnonRedX

      Lovely 1 and 2 hours old. done.
      Go and get them

  • 0tessa

    The official reaction of Miscavige on the Daily Mail article and a new coming out story on Mike Rinder’s site.

  • Panopea Abrupta

    Scientology: the only religion in which love is a four-letter word.

  • TheCommodeDoor

    It’s been building all week, and the dam burst today.

  • NOLAGirl

    Tick Tock Demented Dictator.

    All this pain and sorrow you’ve caused. Karma is coming for you.

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    Finally watched Karen’s video. I have to say I didn’t believe Miscavige could make a more blatantly obvious lie about progress and stats, but by Xenu he did. Really think this petulant boy has tossed his last marble. I did pick out one of the few visual items shown I thought might be able to be fact checked. Around 4:28 there’s a picture of “Psychiatric News”. Goes by so fast of course in a live showing, but I found these details.

    PSYCHIATRIC NEWS / June 19, 2009, Volume 44, Newsletter 12
    Miscavige uses this quote: “Scientology influences our legislators, our Food and Drug Administration, our schools and our media …”

    I found a .pdf of that newsletter. The only mention of scientology in this article:

    “Stotland said that enemies of psychiatry, including the Church of Scientology, have distorted the image of the profession,and she noted that “no other medical specialty has an entire organization dedicated to its destruction.”
    Oops. So he uses an article almost six years old, fakes a quote, and for some reason doesn’t mention a host of good news in that newsletter about actual progress and successes in psychiatric research that year.

    http://psychnews.psychiatryonline.org/Issue.aspx?issueID=4189&direction=P&journalID=61

    • Missionary Kid

      If it’s from $cientology, it’s nearly fact free, unless you count square footage, sheetrock, and mumbo-jumbo.

    • I was wondering when someone in the psychiatric field was going to finally say something.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Most don’t know it exists. But OSA PR has to do something for their rice and beans, so they scan anything remotely related to psychiatry, bait a few of their own, and after a few years, and tens of thousands of articles, they snag a goldfish, skin it, marinate it for a few more years, filet it, throw in on their grill and serve it up to their lard and master. If he likes it, they get two servings of rice and beans that week. Other than that, they just make it up. They do it for a nap and a steak, man. No, really.

        • No kidding. Your post is the first I’ve ever heard of someone in the psych field making a comment about Scientology. I really wish there was a more organized effort by psychiatrists to warn about Scientology and how misleading it is for people with Real mental issues that should be getting professional help.

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            You mean like a blog or something? 🙂 Scientology has zilch effect on progress and research in the psychiatric field. There’s nothing to warn them about. Zilch. The only effect you could say scientology has is it drives people insane and grooms more customers. Another moment of irony brought to you by the Hubbard.

            edit: oh, and that quote? Miscavige made me find it. Must be Double Irony Day.

            • I was thinking more in the realm of a televised conference where a member of the psychiatry field can make a presentation to other members of the APA about how Scientology has distorted the image of the psychiatric field. And maybe someone who has had Scientology auditing who has had a psychotic break can speak as well. The fact that the APA is really quiet about it is confusing. The have billions of dollars as well. It doesn’t make sense that they would allow Scientology to have the Psychiatry of Death Museum and not say anything about it.

            • GalacticGreg

              I think what it is, Super pw, is that $cientology Inc. is so infinitesimally small nationally and globally that they simply ignore it. To 21st century behavioral health service professionals, $cientology isn’t even a flea/blip/spec of sand.

              Also, I believe they would see action such as you suggest to be giving gravitas to a group that doesn’t merit *anything* or any of their time. Imo.

            • True. But still with their whole anti-psych campaign, I’m just surprised that there hasn’t been a little bit more of an effort to say “hey that’s not true today”. Hell a published paper or something…..

            • GalacticGreg

              I know, believe me, I feel it too. At the same time, I am sure that their stand is, To draw any attention to $cientology Inc. at all is worse than defending their entire profession. And the claims are so ludicrous that the message of CCHR/$cientology reaches so few people, and of those few, only a really small handful of those believe the crapola.They let it slide.

            • Man that pisses me off. At least a swiping of the hand to kill the flea or something would be nice. lol

            • ze moo

              I used to work for the NY OMH, (0ffice of Mental Health), I am retired now. Fourteen inpatient hospitals (1000 to 1500 inpatients at any one time), 10-15 thousand outpatients at any one time plus operations at every state prison.

              The CCHR was unknown until the mid 90’s, and it was only heard of because of the internet. APA conventions may have had clam protesters, but they were ignored. There are too many real family and patient advocacy groups to deal with. The connection between the CCHR and $cientology is very well know, but most psych professionals just don’t care.

              The only thing that strikes fear into psychiatric operations is an audit from the feds or JCAHO. Third party health insurance companies seldom pay state run hospitals. They do often pay for children’s services, the paperwork for child admissions and treatment are horrendous, but it is better then billing the taxpayer. But the usually payor for state services is Medicaid and Medicare and most bills for adults are paid for by the state, i.e the taxpayer.

              With all the new research and treatments that are constantly being updated, there is no time for dealing with any lunatics that aren’t patients.

              Any time the clams take ‘credit’ for psych licenses being suspended or terminated, they are taking credit for the local Health Department and their work. The CCHR is just a clam boogie man to make them feel good about ‘fighting’ something. Having enemies is one way to define the difference between ‘them’ and ‘us’. lroons vision of psych care is based on 1940’s treatment, things have changed completely since then. No one fears the clams, they aren’t even on the radar.

            • Got it.

            • GalacticGreg

              Boffo! Well laid out. Thank you. (Btw, o/t, I worked for a couple NYC Agencies on behavioral healthcare NY State OMH contracts, providing various aftercare services for Medicaid cardholders, for nearly 10 years. OMH sponsored some terrific programs, bringing a sea change of Recovery & Resiliency and Wellness Coaching and Peer Support into aftercare treatment. I <3 OMH. And I <3 SAMHSA (samhsa.gov)

            • Missionary Kid

              The Clam-sponsored museum is seen by most for what it is: Nuts. It has no influence on either the general public or psychiatry.

            • Natalia 2.0

              “Psychs” are trained not to provoke the severely delusional. Lol.

            • HaHaHa! You’re right about that Natalie! : ) Good one.

      • Sibs

        (psst, nice avi)

    • Ardent

      I caught him on that before! He uses articles that may mention some topic or whatever that is of interest to him, and uses it out of context. Then he uses the thing as a visual. He’s so dumb, he forgets about people’s ability to hit ‘pause’ and expand, so the article can be identified, then researched. What a complete dingbat lunatic son of a bitch. Thanks for catching this particular BS nugget!

      EDIT: Correct iPad error

    • OrangySky

      “Really think this petulant boy has tossed his last marble.” – well said Hole!

    • WildaBeast

      Your research makes me happy. Not happy that the flying demon monkey is so full of it, but happy that you were able to catch him at it relatively quickly and easily.

  • Toni m

    Great article in disconnection. Thank you Mr Ortega. I will read every single link you put in there.
    Have a good rest of the day Bunkeritos.

  • sugarplumfairy

    “The difference between not doing it and doing it is simply having the purpose of doing it and then doing it..”

    I’m sitting here on my sofa sewing a sampler of that.. Yep.. That’s what I’m doing..

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      I hope it’s a rug. That way you can walk all over it, on purpose, when we have heartbreaker threads like today.

      • Sherbet

        Mutual admiration society.

    • Sherbet

      Toilet lid cover would be more appropriate.

      • sugarplumfairy

        Egggggcellent suggestion!

  • aurora50

    When Mike Rinder’s mother died, no one in his family told him.
    He found out through an e-mail from a compassionate Australian:
    http://www.mikerindersblog.org/disconnection-and-my-mother/

    Reading his story still twists my stomach.

    • GalacticGreg

      There Is No Such Thing As Disconnection: on Marty’s blog.

      “Mike is one of the most considerate, decent and loyal persons I have
      met. He deserves the right to see his own mother and she has the right
      to be in communication with him. David Miscavige has taken pleasure in
      ensuring that this does not happen. The whole thing was utterly
      suppressive and sick.”

      http://markrathbun.wordpress.com/2010/07/23/there-is-no-such-thing-as-disconnection/

    • aquaclara

      Me, too. And the way he was prevented from seeing her when he traveled all the way back to Australia.
      This is gut-wrenching. I can’t imagine what would happen if I were stopped from seeing my mom, brothers, kids or grand kids.

      People have to read these stories and see how evil this practice is. And then shut it down.

  • Freethinker

    “The difference between not doing it and doing it is simply having the purpose of doing it and then doing it..” LRH

    Use of this vacuous quote to recruit for the Sea Org might be a smart move. If your critical thinking skills are dulled to the point that you see that sentence as something profound, then you’re ripe for exploitation by the cult.

  • GalacticGreg

    I really enjoyed Karen de la C’s video today. Hoisting the little shit, Dave Miscavige, on his own petard.

    Most excellent J & D’ing [Joking and Degrading] from Karen!

    “Activate the multitudes with mass mailings.” The little dwarf punk asthmatic runt.

  • Guest

    I find this article of Cindy Plahuta’s daughter very sad but interesting. Interesting in fact, because her daughter is married to a NON-scientologist. I wonder how long that marriage is going to last?

    • ze moo

      It will last as long as he pays for her ‘courses’ and keeps her IAS membership up. It is all about the money.

  • aquaclara

    Heeeeeeey, Deeeeereeeeeeek! We love you, dude. No matter what. That’s family.
    And may your original family pick up the phone soon, to find out for themselves what a terrific son and brother they have.

  • GalacticGreg

    Tony O said it so well in today’s awesome article: “Disconnection is real. And it is used cynically by Scientology to keep its members inside a bubble. When will the larger public understand that this is at the heart of what Scientology is, and not some goofy set of outer-space beliefs that a few celebrities ascribe to?

    “Scientologists use Hubbard’s methods to control each other and their non-Scientology associates, familial connections and everyone in their

    environment by intentionally manipulating their emotions. This is all justified under the heading of being a good Scientologist and “applying

    the tech.” Scientologists see nothing wrong whatsoever about controlling the thoughts and actions of others in this way.” [anonymous]

  • aegerprimo
  • TDA1541A
    • Jimmy3
      • richelieu jr

        Gotta say: Greg’s got a pretty cool guitar there…. Looks kind of like a Mosrite, but I don’t think it is…

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Vintage Danelectro?

          • Captain Howdy

            Looking at the finish it could be. My wife had a Dan Electro bass she traded for 20 real (sealed) Quaaludes from the U.K and some cash. It was wicked cool.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Dam. That’s just wicked! I traded a gorgeous custom beauty for bus fare out of hell (RPF). Still pissed about that one. I don’t want to get over it.

              Doh…just noticed the headstock. That has to be a Mosrite. No other guitar heads are cut out like that. Vintage Mosrite.

            • Sherbet

              I always thought a Dan Electro was an amp, because I knew someone who had one. Didn’t know they made guitars. Silly, uneducated me.

            • Captain Howdy

              They did make amps also.

          • richelieu jr

            Could well be…

        • Captain Howdy

          Yea it looks like a Johnny Ramone special (Mosrite) but i can’t say either.

      • TDA1541A

        Even more frightning

    • Captain Howdy

      I’m guessing everybody knows by now that Christian Bale said that Tom Cruise was partly his inspiration for American Psycho?

  • media_lush

    just a pic of Katie Holmes at Suri’s age….

    • DodoTheLaser

      He is probably reading the “internet entheta”.

      • Robert Eckert

        Reading is not his thing.

        • Ardent

          He’s admiring his own ass with a mirror.

    • aquaclara

      1. Lawsuit against him. 2. No trophies during award seaon. 3. Dateless and desperate 4. No parts, despite the silly ass rumor balloons his publicist keeps floating. 5. Waiting for the plastic surgery to heal.
      6. Waiting for Davey to get around to finding him a new girlfriend. Might take a while, since Davey has to do all the teeth inspections himself.

      These are my guesses. Even if I am wrong, this made me smile just thinking about it.