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Lori Hodgson and her son Jeremy: What you didn’t hear on Inside Edition

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Yesterday, Lori Hodgson was seen on Inside Edition making a surprise visit to her son, Jeremy Leake, in Austin.

This isn’t the first time Lori has attempted to see her son in Texas after Jeremy and his sister Jessica both “disconnected” from their mother following her defection from the Church of Scientology.

In May, she also traveled from California to Jeremy’s workplace to confront him, as we reported then. This time, she brought along a camera crew and flagged down her son in the parking lot of the motorcycle shop where Jeremy works, Woods Fun Center.

According to the television program, the cameras held back as mother and son had a lengthy conversation…


Jeremy didn’t want the camera present. So, INSIDE EDITION cameras stayed at a distance when mother and son had an emotional reunion. “He talked to me and we hugged each other. He really hugged me. It was incredible,” an emotional Lori said. “It was just amazing.”

She practically begged Jeremy to end their painful separation. But she said that Jeremy insisted she must first go through the Scientology program referred to as “Steps A to E,” where she would have to admit she made a terrible mistake for leaving the church.

She said even for the love of her children she can never do that. “The thing that he kept coming back to was ‘Mom, just go in and do the Steps. ‘I just want to be your mom’,” she said.

We were in contact with Lori as she made her trip several weeks ago, and we can now reveal what she told us happened during the three hours she got to spend with her son.

As in her previous encounters with Jeremy, she soon found herself in a familiar argument. When Lori left Scientology in 2010, she met with Marty Rathbun, a former church official and someone Scientology leader David Miscavige considers an enemy. By spending time with Rathbun, Lori was herself branded a “suppressive person” by the church. Her two kids were then forced to “disconnect” — or they would risk losing their own involvement in Scientology.

Lori says that once again, her son told her that he can’t communicate with her until she follows Scientology’s rules and does her “A to E Steps” in order to get back in good standing. For her part, Lori has tried to explain that she can’t go crawling back to the church, but she’s not asking Jeremy to give up Scientology or give up his relationship with his Scientologist father.

This time, she tells us, she decided to spell out for him why she would never come back to Scientology.

“This time, he began to understand why I couldn’t go back. And that’s huge,” she tells us. “That was worth the whole trip.”

One of the things she did to explain her position was to show him how she’s been the target of disturbing retaliation from anonymous attack websites which the church finally admitted a connection to.

She asked Jeremy to look at one of the websites, which we have previously written about.

“He looked it up on his phone. He saw the stuff they wrote about me,” Lori says. “It shows me in a boat with Marty, with the caption ‘I’m taking Lori out to test her floatation devices’ — it was a reference to my breast implants. People had told me not to show him that. But I thought I had to show him so he understood. He read that right in front of me.”

She says that Jeremy understood what he was looking at, and said it was wrong for the church to be behind such attacks. “He started to understand why I can’t go back, which is huge,” Lori says.

When she visited him in May, Lori says she was very careful not to bring up her issues with Scientology. But this time, “I was going for it. I decided to bring all of it up.”

She tried to make him understand that she didn’t care if he was still attached to Scientology, she just wants to have a relationship with him and his sister. “I told him, I’m not the one trying to force a Sophie’s choice on you.”

But Lori says her son is still thinking like a Scientologist, and told her that he worried that talking to her would “threaten his afterlife.”

“I told him I don’t have any influence over his afterlife, but I wasn’t telling him that he had to quit Scientology.”

Lori says her son admitted that he did want to see both of his parents, but he wasn’t sure how to make it happen.

“Just tell them you want both parents. I can’t do it for you,” she replied.

She says that at one point, he complained that she was “all over the Internet.”

“I said, ‘That’s great. It’s because I’m fighting for you’.”

And when she said there were a lot of families in the same situation, he said he knew.

“He knew I was on the Internet, and he knew other families were going through disconnection. So I think he’s been looking around and understands what’s going on,” she says.

Over the three hours that she spent with her son, his employers — who are not Scientologists — never complained or pressured Jeremy to come back to work, which Lori appreciated.

But then, near the end of their time together, Jeremy asked Lori if she was recording him. She admitted that she did have an audio device that the camera crew had given her.

“He wanted the tape. He wanted to destroy it. He looked up Inside Edition on his phone and said he was going to sue them. He said he was going to call the police.”

At that point, Lori says, Jeremy called his father. He then accused Lori of lying. She denied that she’d lied about the taping, which hadn’t come up at first.

Lori remembers her son saying, “This discredits everything. Because you taped me. Mom, what you did was suppressive. And bringing the media was a suppressive act.”

But then, after telling her that the Inside Edition crew needed to leave (they were standing by not far away), he said she could stay and talk to him. But she said she was under the crew’s protection and needed to stay with them.

Why, because of the Squirrel Busters, two years ago? Jeremy asked. She said it was a necessary precaution.

She gave Jeremy her phone number, and she asked to see him again that night with his father. She also had Jessica’s telephone number, and Lori began sending her texts.

But after that meeting with Jeremy in the parking lot, she heard from none of them.

Inside Edition hasn’t made the segment available on its website yet, but in the meantime, here’s what one viewer recorded…

 

 
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Marty Rathbun on Kirstie Alley

Kirstie Alley was on the Howard Stern show this week promoting her new sitcom and Stern stopped painting her posterior with delicate kisses just briefly enough for the subject of Scientology to come up. Alley described Leah Remini’s departure from Scientology in rather unfavorable terms.

But we were really struck by the reaction of former Scientology official Marty Rathbun, who had this to say over at his website.

First, Alley outright lies that Scientology does not ‘shun’ people. Then she lies again stating that she has personally shunned Leah not because of what she has said, but because what she has ‘done’ and because of her ‘deeds.’ Then she falsely accuses Leah Remini of calling Scientology ‘hideous and evil.’ She calls Leah a ‘bigot’ and likens her words to someone saying ‘Jews are evil’ and ‘Jews are a cult.’ All of these accusations are defamatory and, quite frankly, hysterical.

This performance of bigotry, defamation and hate by Kirstie is not her natural personality. She was trained and conditioned in Scientology to act in this immature, hateful fashion.

This is shameful. Leah is due an apology, not only by Kirstie, but by the ministry that taught her to hate.

 
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How Mark Bunker marked the anniversary of Lisa McPherson’s death

The new guy in Clearwater, filmmaker Mark Bunker, makes an impression on the local city council…

 

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on December 7, 2013 at 07:00

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  • Great White Clam

    With the upcoming holidayes and celabrations of Christmas, wouldnt it be nice, REAL NICE to showcase a quote or two from the pouty fishlike lips of the venereal L. Ron Hubbard?

    Somebody somewhere on this planet, back about 600 BC, found some pieces of R6, and I don’t know how they found it, either by watching madmen or something. But since that time they have used it and it became what is known as Christianity.

    The man on the Cross. There was no Christ. But the man on the cross is shown as Everyman. So of course each person seeing a crucified man, has an immediate feeling of sympathy for this man. Therefore you get many PCs who say they are Christ..

    -L. Ron Hubbard, Assists, lecture of 3 Oct 1968

    • Qbird

      A few more quotes for good measure Great White Clam:

      “If attacked on some vulnerable point by anyone or anything or any organization, always find or
      manufacture enough threat against them to cause them to sue for peace.”

      – L. Ron Hubbard, Hubbard
      Communications Office Policy Letter, 15 August 1960, Dept. of Govt. Affairs

      “The purpose of the suit is to harass and discourage rather than to win.

      The law can be used very easily to harass, and enough harassment on somebody who is simply on the thin edge anyway, well knowing that he is not authorized, will generally be sufficient to cause his professional decease. If possible, of course, ruin him utterly.”

      – L. Ron Hubbard, A MANUAL ON THE DISSEMINATION OF MATERIAL, 1955

      Greyzip parrots Guest-ray and equals SOS — spam – degrade – divide.
      Scientology the prison of belief. And so it goes…

    • sugarplumfairy

      You gotta admire how he addressed the flaws in his master plan..

      “Oh crap,” says elron.. “We’re bound to get more than one Napoleon, Cleopatra, Jesus.. better fix that..”

  • Drat

    I’d just like to say I’m actually very grateful grayzip is here with us today. He has provided us with an example of what OSA’s noisy investigation of “crimes” looks like. Notice he focuses only on Lori’s perceived mistakes, not on the actual underlying issue.

    Everybody listen up and take notes, this is what a noisy investigation can look like. Now, back to business.

    • Sarah James

      Good to know.

    • Jeb Burton

      Stop accusing everyone of being OSA when they post something you dont agree with. Everyone knows what the underlying issue is. This poor woman has been through hell. But I dont think going there with a film crew and secretly recording a heart to heart talk was the way to do it. Do you Drat, think that was the best way to handle the situation? If she is going to go public with the issue, I think we have a right to say it could of been handled better and disagree with her tactics.

      • Drat

        Who is everybody? Actually, I believe Lori had this only chance to get proof of disconnection on record. We will see what she’ll do with it. I’ll reserve my judgement of her conduct until then.

        • Tory Christman

          Are you kidding? I have it in writing on my SP Declare: “Her ONLY terminal is the IJC”. (that IS proof of “Disconnection”). That’s from the “Church of Scientology Flag Land Base”. Lori’s is great…but there are many that came before her ….all making up “proof”.

          • Drat

            Tori, you’re great and we love you. But for all we know Lori may have a court case going and she may need dox. It was a shot in the dark, and not meant to slight the work of others. Neither does she (as far as I know) have more physical evidence that the church ordered disconnection than that message left on her answer phone. You got your written declare order back in the day when the church was still cocky.

            • sugarplumfairy

              I thought you were going to reserve judgment?

              Edit: Oops, misunderstood on first reading.. Sorry..

      • Guest

        Of course you are right. People here are blinded by their consensus and one pointedness. No considerate person would have a film crew secretly recording another family member. People here argue for it because it promotes the bunker message but not a single person here would do that to one of their one family members that they cared about.

        And it is fanatical and lazy to accuse every person who does not parrot the local point of view to the letter of being OSA or troll.

        • Drat

          It is a lazier SP still who talks in generalities, my dear sir/madam. Joanne Wheaton, perchance? I hope to meet her here someday.

          • Guest

            Here is a “generality” for you: “generalities” can be found in great abundance in the underground bunker.

            • Espiando

              And here’s a specific for you: you like sucking the cocks of golden retrievers.

            • Drat

              You’ll shoot yourself completely dry tonight 😉 It was fun, though, must do it again sometime. Good night.

            • sugarplumfairy

              Dude! My mom reads the bunker..

              (Although, I appreciated the gist of your message..)

        • Espiando

          But it’s more fun that way. As I said, no Scilon deserves any sympathy, especially those who are willingly buying into their destructive philosophy. And abusing them (and that includes you, spunk-blot) is my way of getting back at them wanting to eliminate me, quietly and without sorrow.

          Why don’t you just fuck off now? Agreeing with our local contrarian just shows how unprepared you are to deal with this place.

          • Baby

            Espi to the rescue..

            • Guest

              Cool trolling, bro.

            • Baby

              Guest I am NOT playing your f*uckin game.. You GOT NOTHIN..
              You are LAME

            • Guest

              Cool trolling, bro.

            • Espiando

              Cool use of CNTL-V and CNTL-C, you useless waste of oxygen. Are you capable of doing other keyboard functions? How about trying CNTL-ALT-DEL?

            • Baby

              Guest always goes after me because I used to have Evil Psch in my profile, but changed it..

              He is scared of me..

            • Espiando

              As he should be.

            • Baby

              Hahahhaha See told ya!

            • Guest

              I was not “going after you” with any special mission. You and a few others “trolled” me and I took it personally, and I “trolled” back and that was folly on my part. I won’t do that again.

            • SandiCorrena

              YSCOHB

            • Guest

              Cool trolling, bro.

            • SandiCorrena

              YSCOHB

            • Espiando

              But only those of bulls and golden retrievers. Since they’re in short supply right now on Hollywood Boulevard, he’s been assigned by OSA to troll the Bunker.

            • kemist

            • Espiando

              Welcome to Bunker Dirty Dancing, Yaude. When I’m around, nobody messes with Baby. Try it one more time, and I start opening the arsenal for real.

        • IASREG

          Scientology would secretly record Lori and I’m sure are monitoring her children all the time. Scientology records all their parishioners’ “auditing”. Lori WANTS disconnection out in the media, there are hundreds of families that are disconnected, thousands of people. You can disagree with how she went about it but you are not in her situation. Read the back story about her ordeal.

        • kemist

          latching, I see

          • Missionary Kid

            He’s a sucker, all right.

        • sugarplumfairy

          Courtesy of Michael Leonard Tilse:
          “Us doddering old guard, like Tory and Arnie and Gerry and others remember the wild an wooly days of dodge city, otherwise know as alt.religion.scientology. Fondly referred to as a.r.s.
          ‘ole Bill, who worked for the OSA team would create multitudes of fake identities, provide them with believable back stories, even provide plausible sounding personal experiences to build trust and create ‘personal connection’.
          Ole Bill was a gunslinger and a quick change artist who could talk to 10 different threads and other posters all at the same time using these different identities, logins and internet accounts set up in different cities under different names.
          A lot of time was invested in figuring out just who people were, what their back stories were and what they had as ‘buttons’ that could be triggered.
          Once it was figured out, a firefight would occur, starting between the sock puppets, (the synthetic identities), designed to trigger various people to choose sides and attack others, create offline cliques of posters who talked behind the back of other posters and eventually get every one accusing everyone being an OSA troll or agent or whatever.
          The end result was trust went out the window, no one wanted to hang out and share any more, no one wants to play in a cesspool. It ended a.r.s. as a community and left it as a bunch of wounded wary-eyed veterans.
          My read is that the current incarnation of the Bill Yaude program has finally reached critical mass where they think they can ruin the Bunker. It’s too effective. Too many connections are made, too many stories are shared for scientology to allow it to exist.”

          • Whoknew

            Thanks for sharing this. Didn’t realize it was such a complex project.

          • Drat

            This is why I believe we should always bring them back to the underlying issue, and ignore their obvious lack of empathy.

      • Sarah James

        In court papers it was disclosed that David Miscavige spies knew that Marty and Mosey where trying to have a baby.
        Most everyone here knows how David Miscavige works. In the words of Lawrence Brennan,”Scientology is a for profit operation and an intelligence gathering operation. It functions on a pattern similar to that of organized crime.”
        Anyone dealing with a scientologist needs cameras and recordings.

      • IASREG

        She has tried other tactics and Scientology still insists on dirty tricks to keep her disconnected. I don’t think she has much to lose here. She does want to have media cover disconnection. The cult does not. This isn’t the best situation for her and she doesn’t really have the best options to choose from. She is doing what she can as she should.

      • Davka

        Jeb, I’ll probably get down voted right along with you, but I agree – we seem collectively – if there is such a thing as collectively on the fringes of the internet – jumping on dissenters a lot – I don’t think all of them are trolls (not commenting one way or another on grayzip’s troll ness). And I also agree about comments on the tactics – I’m not standing in her shoes, so it’s hard to say what I would do, but it does seem that recording in my opinion was a marginal call.

        Ok, waiting for down votes in 3, 2, 1…..

        • Guest

          And preteen schoolyard “down votes” = what?

          • Davka

            Huh? Maybe I am just tired but in all sincerity, I don’t understand your comment.

            • kemist

              There’s nothing to understand.

              It’s trying to latch onto you. Typical OSA troll tactic.

            • Guest

              so much jargon so little time

            • Baby

              Oh Davka.. We have so many trolls here tonight..

              Guest has been trolling for days..

              Cob is getting Desperate..It is palpable

            • Davka

              Oh, Your comment I understood – totally made sense to me – it was what he said that confused the heck out of me, but of course, I am slow sometimes :)

            • sugarplumfairy

              You don’t say much, Davka, but when you do, you’re pretty much on the money..

            • Davka

              Thank you SPF! Between the volume of comments and what everyone else has to say, I only comment when I think I have something to say, or feel strongly about something. But heck, us unemployed fringers gotta stick together (although I do hope to be amongst the employed again someday!)

              Thanks for the kind word (blush)

              :)

          • Baby

            Did you know that there are only about 25-30,000 Scientologists that are active?

            Cob lied about the Millions.. He is a liar.. Tech doesn’t work. It is a joke

          • IASREG

            Ultimately downvotes mean nothing compared to content. If a downvote depresses you Scientology may be a topic you want to avoid.

        • Baby

          As a Mother.. I would walk to hell and back to retrieve my child.

          It is Lori’s call NOT ours

          • Davka

            Agreed – it is totally her call.

      • sugarplumfairy

        A desperate mother is a desperate mother.. She loves her son.. Any decision she made was made under the influence of that love and the fact that she has been separated from him by an underhanded, self serving and criminal organization masquerading as a religious institution.. A religious institution who has declared war on Lori Hodgson and who makes disparaging remarks about her breast implants..

        All’s fair in love and war.. Go, Lori!

        • Guest

          Shit people do in the name of “love” makes me hope no one ever loves me. Not that kind of so called “love” anyway.

          • Espiando

            That’s pretty much guaranteed given the state of your breath.

          • sugarplumfairy

            I don’t think you need worry..

          • kemist

            hello moth/turtlez

          • Guest

            To add: I suppose the real that I hope no one ever loves me is because I’m afraid of change. Having never been loved, I’m terrified of what this may feel like or what it will do to me. I’m content with being miserable, at least I know how that feels.

            • Baby

              Well I am a Mental Health Expert. I would love to prescribe you medication.

            • Espiando

              I know for a fact that a combination of Cymbalta and Zyprexa does wonders for that. And if that doesn’t work, he needs to be slapped in the face repeatedly.

            • Baby

              I have a feeling after Teeny Boots reads all this..we won’t have to worry..

            • Sarah James

              I laugh but cannot up vote. He might get beaten by his boss and he won’t be aloud pain meds. :(

            • Missionary Kid

              Espiando. A particular drug or combination of drugs will work for one person, but not necessarily for another. That’s why different prescriptions are written for different people. The body chemistry involved appears to be pretty complex. What works for you won’t necessarily work for someone else.

              Some people go through several drugs or combination of drugs before they find some that work for them. What can add to one’s frustration is that often it takes weeks for the full effect of a drug to be felt.

              I’m happy that the combination of those drugs have worked for you. It seems that it is a case of making the able (you) more able, vs. what $cientology does: crippling the able.

            • IASREG

              Well, the tech sure as hell can’t help you with that, it could make it much worse though. You could just disconnect from Wog life and go into a very abusive Sea Org life.

            • Baby

              Shit.. Just blow.. More and More are blowing.. 1-866 X SEAORG

              Do you know the amount of food DM gets every day? Your work is paying for his Fancy Cars.. His homes.. His $5,000 suits..

              Come on now.. Damn.. That would do it for me.

            • sugarplumfairy

              Maybe the real is that you know co$ will ultimately make you disconnect from anyone you love..

              ‘Night, all.. Time for me (with no stats quota) to chill..

            • Qbird
            • sugarplumfairy

              Wow! Thank you, Q.. That’s a keeper..

            • Qbird

              Is this a fact?

            • Baby

              Q he’s been trolling for 3-4 days now.. He just wants to get us off topic.

            • Qbird

              I know Baby. I’ve been listening, for days now.

              Of all his comments this one is the most telling. This is a sad person, he is bereft. I feel his angst. He is a wreck – no one loves him – not here in the bunker & not in his RL either… he has mentioned having friends, but where are they? He is here, hanging out on an anonymous blog, instead of hanging with his people, his family, his friends. There is no one about to love him & he doesn’t know why… this seems to have been fact for him his whole life. How gd sad is that? It is like his whole life, which he admits here & now is miserable & even more so, so sorrowful, he is use to it. What a monumental waste of time his living has been…spent…being…

              unloving, unlovable & ineffectual… exactly like his posts. The evidence, his own words no matter how fast he deletes them or how ever many names he chooses for himself.

              Yes? No? It that a fact? Who knows? It is however an opinion – mine.

              I ask you, why live without knowing love or feeling it work in your life? So, is that really & truly the fact of his life? I was really asking.

              BACK ON TOPIC: It is a FACT that Lori loves her children; she has not forsaken them and she never will. She is devoted to correcting all the errors she possibly can & will do whatever she must to attain her goal – to be able to talk to her children and love them whenever she has the opportunity. That’s LOVE at work. Argue all you want with whoever you want about facts & opinions & docs & stats. phew!

              Meh?! I am only interested in where the love is.

              Love is not a fact for GuestraysosBill-Yaudleapplbee & it’s killing him.
              And he knows it.

            • Baby

              Oh sweetheart.. I hear your soul sing. If that truly was a true statement of his.. This would be the place to come.

              If he would be respectful and explain himself. We are truly the most empathic group of people all gathered together that I know.

              I love your tender heart..

              and I appreciate your speaking up!

            • Jo

              Don’t be content with being miserable, life is good.

            • Guest

              clone

          • Jo

            Ray love is free, not pay as you go :)

            • Missionary Kid

              Religion is free, $cientology is neither.

          • EnthralledObserver

            Don’t worry… sound like you are pretty unlovable… all good for you.

      • IASREG

        Everyone has the right to discuss whether or not this was the best option. Of course it isn’t, there are no best options in this scenario. Either way, with or without media coverage and recording equipment, after the encounter Scientology Ethics would go into action. Perhaps showing disconnection in the media is the best disinfectant, perhaps the tactic will backfire temporarily.

      • Robert Eckert

        Whereas those who have had experience think that recording everything was exactly the way to do it.

    • Robert Eckert

      I don’t think he’s OSA. I think he just wandered over here and has no understanding of what people have to do in cases like this.

      • tetloj

        tend to agree

      • Drat

        The thing that got me is his consistent attempts to get us to find fault in Lori paired with a consistent lack of any real empathy for her situation. Since then it seems he is doing PR by redefinition of words, and wants to equate “anyone who disagrees = troll” when the bunker is normally the last place you can’t disagree. Sure, you might get smacked for it, but if you show some compassion you might be heard.

    • grayzip

      Hey Drat. I’m just some guy. A lot of suspicion and over the top insults and shut-ups get thrown around here to anyone who breaks with the pack, and it’s amusing and sad and bizarre all at once. They’re the tactics of COS, which isn’t to say they have no legitimate use, but you’d think former-COS-ers and anti-COS-ers would err in the opposite direction. TIL guess not.

      Didn’t mean anything by “church.” Thanks to the IRS it is one. Being gay I don’t like the Mormon or Catholic Churches either, but they all technically qualify.

      The actual underlying issue is complex I realize. I had a thought about one aspect of it and posted that. Going on TV may bring awareness to disconnection and over the long term pressure the church to discontinue the practice, who knows. In the short term it can only further alienate her son, pun not intended but I’ll take it, as well as make his life as he chooses to live it more difficult. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few? (Since we’re in the land of scifi I guess.) Maybe, but it’s still a bit cold when the “few” in question is your son

      • Drat

        You are right about the suspicion and perhaps I should not have jumped to conclusions. What you wrote just looked like a textbook example, except you were far too literate. You did not show any empathy for Lori whatsoever, and that is what I thought strange.

        Yes, it is very different when your child is involved. I know a person in a similar situation, who tried to show her son the other side and was declared as a result, losing her son. I agree that recording the meeting in secret was a breach of trust, much like the “intervention” with Manuela was a failure from the start (imo) because deception was used to get her there. However, Lori has succeeded in getting him to look at the “church’s” anonymous hate sites, so who knows. He was doubtless drilled to ask about a recording device in case she showed up again, called his father for instructions right away and proceeded to relay them to his mother. He really is not himself. If this sounds suspicious and bizarre to you, I am sorry. My own sister when in the cadet org was forced by OSA to impose terms on our father in order to control him.

  • Sunny Sands

    I believe Lori’s daughter, Jessica, is in the sea org. IMO, her future there is nil. Her mom Lori is a big time SP, and disconnected or not, Jessica is now a pariah to scientology through association. I hope she wakes up soon.

    • Drat

      In my experience people hold on to Scientology until it becomes less painful to let go.

      • Ruby

        Drat…that’s kinda profound. And true. I’m impressed…thank you. :)

        • Drat

          Why, thanks. See, no coffee!

      • Lemont

        And that’s why we are here, to make it less painful…to make leaving the abuses possible

        • Drat

          Yes, thank god. And the trolls are here to tell them they’ll get slaughtered and gobbled up if they dare step off that bridge!

      • aegerprimo

        That is a powerful quote Drat..
        “People hold on to Scientology until it becomes less painful to let go.”

    • Simi Valley

      I just read something similar in Jenna Miscavige Hill’s book confirming this sort of thing.

  • baddog5623
    • valshifter

      she is an Idiot obviously she has never seen those policies and will never be shown to her, to keep her BLIND.

      • baddog5623

        I don’t agree, the clams quote the policies when telling others to disconnect. She says there is no such policy but then does that very thing herself in a very Scientology way. I saw she knows all about them.

        • valshifter

          ho so she is more evil than what I thought then, she is a two faced laying layer then…. then again she is just practicing the religion of hate.

  • Drat

    Anyway, the trolls are costing me my sleep. Go back under your bridge, trolls, you already cost too much 😉

    Good night, bunkerites!

  • Baby

    We love our Espi!

    • Jo

      Reminds me of Johnny Cash, not sure why? I need a time out.

      • Espiando

        If it helps, Jo, I do have a lot of black clothing in my wardrobe.

        • Baby

          Hahahah Espi.. Why doesn’t that surprise us.. ?

        • Missionary Kid

          You do a great job of kicking troll’s asses with those motorcycle boots!

          • Baby

            That picture of Bugs has Espiando all over it doesn’t it..Bad ASS Bugs..

      • aegerprimo

        He walks the line.

  • sugarplumfairy

    I lovvvvvve Mark Bunker..

    • marti

      Yes.
      Mature, finasse, cool human being.

      • sugarplumfairy

        Fine ass? Agreed.. =)

        • marti

          Skillful handling of a situation, adroit maneuvering.

          • sugarplumfairy

            Why, thank you..

            =)

            • marti

              You’re welcome Sugar.

    • aegerprimo

      “His words are wise, his face is beard.”
      LOVE that quote and LOVE Wise Beard Man.

    • Missionary Kid

      He summarized the whole Lisa McPherson incident quickly and succinctly, which is was city council members like. He dun good!!!!

      • marti

        yes!

  • aurora50

    re-post of Lori Hodgson comment to Tony from this morning:

    Thank you Tony for sharing more in depth the conversation I had with my son on my recent trip to Texas.

    I got this opportunity with Inside Edition presented to me about 5 weeks
    ago. Originally, they were going to cover my ‘disconnection’ story in
    my son, Jeremy’s room, at my San Jose home. Then we decided to do the
    story in Austin Texas so I could have the chance to see my kids. We
    planned this trip in a way that Scientology could not track us. We had
    no idea of Jeremy’s work schedule and after Inside Edition interviewed
    me, we headed off to my sons work. I saw his truck so I knew he was
    working that day. The part I didn’t know was whether he would be
    receptive to talking to me. It went better than I ever imagined, we
    ended up talking for 2-3 hours. It was a miracle!! Not only did I get
    to spend that much time with him, my Mom got to see him and they hugged
    one another.

    The trip was a success! I got to see my son, I got
    him to see why I can’t go back to Scientology to do the A to E steps.
    He understands and now knows that for us to be together me going back is
    not an option.

    I know he loves me and I know he hates this

    ‘disconnection’ that he is being manipulated to go through. He asked me
    “what do we do Mom?” I told Him “Son, I’m giving you all my courage to
    tell Scientology you want both your parents…that’s all you have to
    do!” I’m hoping that with all I left him to think about and the TRUTH I
    shared, he will have the courage to tell Scientology just that.

    Please Jeremy, if your reading this, let’s end this painful
    ‘disconnection’ right now and be a family again. Don’t let another day
    go by that you let Scientology keep your family broken apart.

    We all miss you!!!! Including your Grandparents, Aunts, Uncles, friends,
    and your Mom who will never give up fighting for you and your sister. I
    love you both more than anything!! This ‘disconnection’ will end!!

    • marti

      Thank you for the re-post.
      The re-connection, tho temporary,was beautiful to witness.
      Tony Ortega-The Underground Bunker. See what you have accomplished.

  • Clamation

    I hope some day I can be wise and beard

    • sugarplumfairy

      Me too! My mom tells me that after menopause, I can pretty much bank on the latter..

      • Clamation

        And you can bank on the former, too… even before menopause (that was a compliment)

        • sugarplumfairy

          I’ll take it!

      • Interested

        Oh yeah!

    • aegerprimo

      I’m hoping for wise, but not beard.

  • DamOTclese2

    Q: Do you know why the Indians like The Battle of the Little Bighorn so much?
    A: Because the Indians kept coming, and coming, and coming.

    Yeah, I thought so, too. My computer picked up a malware, clicking on web sites covering the Kirstie nonsense, now I have to run Spybot Search & Destroy to find out what popped up a mild porn web page that had that nonsense on it.

    I tell you, this is something else I can blame on Kirstie.

  • RMycroft

    Someone seems to have found some interesting strings in one of the executables of the Mark 8 meter updater software.

    brick
    Got Brick Command
    Brick – Succeeded
    Brick – Failed
    _executeBrick
    Attempting to brick device

    It looks like they’re serious about keeping meters out of the hands of the unworthy. I wonder how legal that would be?

    • Baby

      RM Could you explain this to someone who isn’t so Tech friendly? Thanks… sigh ( I’m sorry)

      • Espiando

        Bricking a piece of electronics is to make it non-functional. Apparently, they have a software subroutine which can be accessed remotely from the Net that would turn the Mark VIII Easy-Bake Oven into a $5000 paperweight should you look at them in a funny way.

        • Baby

          SCN would do that or Hackers Espi.. Or both..

          I know that Scn can do that if say they can’t audit because of an infraction.. but say can a computer savvy person do it?

          I think I read about the SCN end of it on Rinders..

          • Espiando

            If the software in the Mark VIII can be reverse-engineered (a simple task given who designed it), then the commands to activate that subroutine would be easy to figure out.

            • Baby

              Yeah Baby.. That is music to my ears.. Woo Hoo..

              Ohhhhhhhhhh One day.. ONE DAY

        • SandiCorrena

          Tonight I will dream of Anonymous hacking in so everybody can have their $5000 paperweights by Christmas….

          • Baby

            Sandi.. I love your avi.. I didn’t recognize you.. pretty!

            • SandiCorrena

              Thank you; I needed a change. 😉

            • Baby

              I can imagine when I show up here..

              I got Cob screaming at all… ” Get that Baby Bitch with the F*ckin Cig.. hahaha…I’ll keep it knowing it bugs the hell out of him.

              and over at Radar too..ha.. It is the kind of Avi that you remember ( after the shock wears off..)

            • Aslansown

              It sure is! When I first started lurking here I saw it and was trying to figure out if that was a cigarette or not. I had to enlarge it (old eyes) and sure enough, there it was. From then on it always made me smile. Please don’t ever change it!

            • Baby

              Ohhh I won’t Lion. ..

              It’s funny. I have been over to Radar and I have had people I disagree with say..” Why I should listen to anyone who thinks it’s appropriate for a baby to smoke a cigarette…

              hhahahha

            • Aslansown

              Hahaha! You should ask them if they’d prefer he smoked a pipe! (image)

            • Baby

              Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww.. so stinkin cute.. What is it about me and babies..

              I could just squeeze their chubby cheeks until they squeal..ha

            • aegerprimo

              Weird and cute at the same time.

            • Aslansown

              I know! He looks like he’s really doing some heavy thinking. And he’s giving us the side eye.

            • i-Betty

              He looks like a very young Winston Churchill!

            • Aslansown

              Hahaha! I knew he reminded me of somebody!

            • Great White Clam

              hay just tell em the infant doesnt inhale.

            • Baby

              hahahha..

        • Missionary Kid

          It would be tragic if somehow someone hacked Co$ so that every one of their new Mark VIII Easy-Bake Ovens into a $5000 paperweights, wouldn’t it?

          • RMycroft

            Or much more white hat: Hacked a de-bricking program and leaked it to those people who wanted to leave but still keep using their unsanctioned meters.

            • Missionary Kid

              That is much better.

    • Clamation

      The trick would be to get the Mark 8 to someone who has some knowledge of electronics

    • Great White Clam

      Darnn Hope no hackers figure out how to activate the brick routine.

      Coarse, the clams would charge probly 1000 to debrick em and use that as an excuse to retell the poor suckahs NEVER EVER GO ON THE INNERNETT!!!!!!!

    • aegerprimo

      • Graham

        We don’t need no indoctrination
        We don’t need no thought control
        No Ella Raich in the classroom
        SLAPPY!! leave them kids alone
        Hey! Slappy! Leave them kids alone!
        All in all you’re just another brick in the wall.
        All in all you’re just another prick without balls.

  • marti

    Who is this quiz: 11:37 PM est,

    A television journalist.
    He won an Emmy Award in 2006 from the Pacific Southwest Emmy Awards division of the National Academy of Television Arts and Sciences.
    He is a critic of the Church of Scientology and founder of the website Xenu TV.

    • Missionary Kid

      MARK BUNKER! FTW!!!

      • marti

        yOU ARE SO GOOD.

        • Missionary Kid

          Thanks. I’m a fan of his.

        • marti

          U Winner.
          NOW!
          Dear MK, You win the right to ask the next diffi cult question.
          R ya reddy?
          Go 4 it MK.

          • Missionary Kid

            Hey, as I’ve said about myself often, “A little knowledge is a dangerous thing, and I’m real dangerous.” Give it a try.

  • IBBy

    Hi guys, I’m back and feeling way better. Whew! Thank you for the well wishes this morning! Lots of ginger ale and a few hail marys and I’m back to my fighting stance.

    A funny anecdote, I was over at the salvation army today donating some blankets and stuff and I was in the donation room at the main mission and this volunteer was sorting through a box of donated books, pulled out a copy of dianetics and rolled her eyes. I laughed and gave her the bunker url so hopefully she stops in and gets a further education.

    • Missionary Kid

      It’s a measure of the low regard of the cult when unsolicited reactions to Dianutty and $cientology appear like that. The very foundation of sand that Co$ is built on (to use a biblical parable) is collapsing.

      • Great White Clam

        I wonder how hard it would be to make up stickers that simpley said something like Find Out The Truth About This One Wierd Cult go here {websiteaddress} ???????

        I guess just a few stickers since the only place I recently seen a dianetics book was a landfill. BTW are the clams planning on a superboul ad this year?

        • Missionary Kid

          Who knows if they’re planning one. They didn’t have the ad aired nationally anyway. They could tell the clams that they had a Superbowl ad that way. Apparently, it wasn’t shown in many venues.

          • Great White Clam

            Yepp. Another shore story /acceptable truth. Hoodwinkers. Pulling the wool over their own eyes. Humorlessly.

    • KJP in Portland

      Happy Dance! Glad you are feeling better! I enjoyed the anecdote about the volunteer rolling her eyes. THAT DOES SHOW that most of the US already knows they’re trouble, and that they’re one creepy-ass organization!

      I hope she comes here to read up on The Cult of a Midget too!

  • Funnybroad

    Bigot, bigot, bigot… they really love to parrot that word…

    • Missionary Kid

      They live in their own echo chamber, so they hear the same phrases over and over, so they tend to use them when they interact with the public.

      I am bigoted against organizations that abuse their followers and do nothing tangible to help their fellow man.

      • KJP in Portland

        Then, that makes me a bigot too, MK. Because I’m definitely bigoted against abusive, fraudulent cults! Sue me, CoB$

        • Missionary Kid

          Welcome to the crowd.

    • Baby

      OMG FABULLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLOUS Funny!

      • Funnybroad

        I kinda creeped myself out with that one!

        • Baby

          hahaha I can imagine.. ugh and Stupendous..

        • Great White Clam

          Well thanks for not shooping pretty cock-a-teal wings on the dwarf.

          Srsly.

        • Qbird

          I LOVE IT!!!

          • Baby

            Hahah.. Yes you would silly bird.. xo.. ( I love birds too Q)

    • KJP in Portland

      Superb Funny! I like how you put the biggest hatemonger of all, right on top, dead center!

    • DodoTheLaser

      Reminds me of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYTxZvAqYwk

      God love them parrots! Too funny!

      • i-Betty

        Ahahaha!

  • Missionary Kid

    If you’re dealing with a troll, they love to get people in ad hominem discussions and off the topic of $cientology. I suggest that when you reply to them, add something that is entheta, such as all the top executives have disappeared, and, after many years of service, are declared, or that $cientology killed Lisa McPherson, or quote LRH to them, or the closing of various orgs. Mentioning that DM is hanging out with Laurisse Schtuppendwarf while his 2D is nowhere to be found, and asking, “Where’s Shelley?” is another tactic.

    They don’t come back and answer you often.

    • Missionary Kid

      Notice that Guest only came back to answer me (it may have been deleted) to say, “Cool trolling bro” He then repeated the phrase multiple times, changing one character, or adding punctuation so that Disqus wouldn’t block his comment for repetition.

      He never (or maybe rarely) addresses anything about Co$ that puts it in a negative light. After all, that’s entheta.

    • Great White Clam

      Good point. Tory wrote some good words on this topic. Maybe they should be collected and posted all togather somewhere in Norway…….

    • KJP in Portland

      Maybe I should regale these trolls with my (actual) Sea Stories? I could bore them to death and AWAY from the blog ;p

      • Missionary Kid

        No. That’s exactly what they want you to do – talk about anything but $cientology.

    • Guest

      all the ad hominems in every exchange I was a part of came from the underground bunker family

      • Missionary Kid

        Yes, that’s true. You accomplished your goal of derailing the discussion away from the evils of $cientology and the cruelty of its practice against society and provoked the reply that ended up in an ad hominem attack. So, where’s Shelly?

        • Guest

          “derail” is manipulative underground bunker family jargon. I spoke plenty about scientology

          ” provoked the reply that ended up in an ad hominem attack.”

          LOL. victim rhetoric doesn’t get any better than that. OMG you were “provoked”! Are you ok Missionary Kid? I am really concerned about you and what you have been through in this latest provocation attack.

          • Missionary Kid

            So, what about LRH’s lies and arrests and incompetence and malingering in the Navy?

      • Espiando

        And some of us were happy to provide them. To satisfy MK, I’ll just ask you this: which Hubbard reference do you use to justifying sucking off your golden retriever? He had to have said something about doggie blowjobs. He wrote something about everything, after all.

        • Guest

          ” He wrote something about everything, ”

          That is a really lovely sentence. Best thing I have read in a year. Sounds like Joseph Heller wold have wrote.

  • aegerprimo

    FYI y’all – I found this posted somewhere, so excuse me is it is a repost from here. At IMDB is all the recent news about Krazy Kirstie’s recent BIGOT statement in one place.

    http://www.imdb.com/news/ni56515788/

  • EnthralledObserver

    Off Topic… the stepson, according to his mother who I just facebook pm’d, is supposedly HERE. No word from him yet, and hubby is still out at work and isn’t answering his phone (he’s sleeping because he’s night-shift). Fun week ahead – I’m going to be venting ferociously after this, especially if confrontations get vicious.

    • KJP in Portland

      -7 deg C here…BRRR!

      • EnthralledObserver

        lol… what? Was this response meant for me? But yes, that’s cold. Bet my avvy is making you feel colder too.

        • KJP in Portland

          Yeah, it said me to you…lol! Yeah, 20 degrees for Portland is kind of uncommon. Some of the western suburbs are around 8-10 F. Eastside is 10s up to 20 F (my town is the balmy spot at 20F)

          • EnthralledObserver

            For comparison purposes… it’s 32 degrees C here today… little warm, but not desperate for air-con yet… it’s coming though.

          • Miss Tia

            You do realize your comment was totally unrelated to the topic at hand?

            And you at 20F but you put it at -7C to make it seem colder? what? Do I need more coffee? What? Did I walk into a wardrobe?

            • EnthralledObserver

              Hey, can you give me your email address again please… I mean, I could look for it, but… well… I guess if you don’t give it to me I will. *rolls eyes at my own laziness*

            • Miss Tia
            • EnthralledObserver

              I sent you an email, thanks!

      • MaxSpaceman

        -7 in Portland??? Wow!!

    • Miss Tia

      Has he been located yet?! I hope so!!

      • EnthralledObserver

        No, not yet… and probably won’t contact my hubby until he is home. I don’t know why he’s come up so early… hubby isn’t home until Tuesday lunchtime. My mother-in-law is stressed out now that they will just show up at her house – which is next door to mine – before my hubby gets home. She does not want anything to do with his MrsMakemerich either.

        • Miss Tia

          whoa! How old is he? Damn!!!

          • EnthralledObserver

            He’s 25… I thought you knew the story, I’ve vented a few times here. Can’t stand his woman… a female Davey Makemerich!

  • Valerie Ross

    I just went down and read some of the distressingly long exchange with Ray/guest. It is my strong hunch that this is FLUNK. He became distressed and addressed another poster other people were attacking as a troll, specifically telling the guy that he was taking the Bunkerites attention away from him and it was stressing him out. Changing my profile back to private until I am sure thaT waste of skin is gone because once angered he loves to take your words and use them as swords. Please guys please quit answering this guy. He is feeding off it, big time.

    • KJP in Portland

      I just woke up. Did FLUNK return again, ma’am?

      (((hugs))) & (((Hi-5’s))) to everyone (except FLUNK)

    • Missionary Kid

      I don’t think it’s Flunk. There’s too much derail involved, and not enough personal attacks for it to be him. Ray / Guest doesn’t want to talk about $cientology at all, but derail.

      • KJP in Portland

        I better take a little time and go read the day’s comments since about 1:00 PST. I fell asleep in my chair for 4 hours then ended up in bed somehow. Weird day. I’ve been running too uber-excited since the excellent phone call on Thursday. It’s been like Christmas for 3 days in a row now.

      • Valerie Ross

        Apparently my post with a screen cap of his deleted comment got flagged. Imagine that. LOL. This is what got my attention, plus the fact that he has been quoting people’s words back at them out of context in various comments all day.

        • Missionary Kid

          The idea is to keep everyone talking about everything BUT $cientology. Every time you reply, include a statement that its factual or about $cientology, LRh, or DM: something that stays on the topic of Scientology that is entheta.

          You’ll notice that they only reply to the part of your reply that DOESN’T have anything to do with $cientology. If they’re not a troll, they’ll discuss crap about DM, or LRH, or $cientology.

          I’ve also been flagging their comments. I don’t know what happens, but it can’t hurt.

        • Guest

          You were responding to a clone.

      • Guest

        “Guest doesn’t want to talk about $cientology at all”

        I had plenty to say about Scientology and L Ron Hubbard. You just choose to troll people you feel threatened by and work to pull others into your point of view. You are lying and “trolling” and you know it.

        • Missionary Kid

          Gee, thank you. LRH was a liar, a thief, and a very sick man. It’s all a part of the public record.

    • tetloj

      I joked it was Flunk when guest said something about not coping with social situations but don’t really think it was him.

    • Guest

      Not that i care but that was a clone, not myself. Ait was pretty obvious that clone was posting a display of feigned patheticness.

  • Lady Squash

    Lori, I have a suggestion…Next time you speak to your son, suggest he clay demo how SCN is in control of his eternity. Just a thought…

  • DodoTheLaser

    Can’t wait to see the deposition of Tommy Davis…
    Pretty sure he was supposed to be deposed a few days ago.

    • Snippy_X

      All I found was from October 8, 2013:

      “The hearing on jurisdiction over David Miscavige has been moved to December 11. In the meantime, the two sides will draw up a protective order for information that will be gleaned in the depositions, and then Tommy Davis and Leah Remini will be deposed when some new dates can be worked out. (The protective order will allow Scientology to ask that certain things Davis and Remini say will be kept under seal, but Jeffrey will be able to appeal to Waldrip to keep them public.)”

      • DodoTheLaser

        That explains it. Thank you, Snippy.
        Looks like we won’t hear much till December 11.
        Good thing it’s right behind the corner.

        • Snippy_X

          Well, Tony says, “in the meantime” so if they worked out dates, then maybe it’s happened. It seems we’d hear about Leah’s deposition. I’m looking forward to all of them. Sure hope this jurisdiction thing doesn’t get too stupid.

          Hey check this out. Click on the speaker icon. :)
          http://translate.google.com/#en/fr/dodo%20the%20laser

          • DodoTheLaser

            Hahahaha! That’s funny!!

            Spanish “dodo el láser” is kind of cool!
            The French pronunciation made me laugh! Too cute!
            And the German one freaked me out, which is normal.

            ROFL! Thanks for the good laugh Snippy! :)

            • Snippy_X

              Yes, the French is awesome. I will think of you this way from now on. No other language came close! (Well, except the Spanish, tru) ha ha :)

    • Graham

      It was in my diary for last Monday, December 2nd. Presumably it depends on how the court decides to handle it as to when it gets made public.

      • DodoTheLaser

        Thanks. I bet them 16 lawyers are working 24/7 to derail the thing as much as possible.
        Wednesday and Popcorn don’t rhyme, but free verse can be pretty awesome too.

  • media_lush

    totally off topic but I had to share….

    • Snippy_X

      No way!

      • media_lush

        …. at least half of it is

    • Graham

      Google Maps not willing to recognise either Tillet nor Erbum. There does however appear to be a place called Youvbin Admate :-)

      • media_lush

        damn internet!

        • Jo

          We got a Semicock Road, Park and Avenue. Always makes me laugh.

          • Graham

            In a village near me the road running behind the High Street was originally known as The Back-side; sadly later changed to Church Lane.

    • Nevermore

      Neither Erbum nor Tillet exist – there is a Cock Inn in Sarratt, and that’s the inn in the picture at the top of your page – sorry, it’s a hoax!!

  • InterestedinCrazy

    Lori is so brave. what a strong woman who never feels sorry for herself and never gives up. Inspirational!

  • Sunny Sands

    An example from Kirstie’s program shows why it’s flopping.

    Kirstie: You know who else gave up his only son? God.

    Arlo: You’re comparing yourself to God?

    Kirstie: Only in the sense we’re both public figures who made questionable parenting choices.

    • Funnybroad

      Whoa… are these really lines from her show!?! She must have scientologists writing for her.

      • Sunny Sands

        Yes, it’s on Youtube, the Birthday episode.

  • Guest

    Award winning post from yesterday. Absolutely brilliant.

    “1. “Troll,” used so loosely, loses all meaning. It says “I don’t have/want to formulate a response, but I don’t need to because you aren’t asking with good will.” This strikes me as both self-serving and lazy, affording moral superiority while requiring zero rigor or substance. And of course absent any substance, there can be no intelligent response. You win? No, but perhaps wielding “troll” feels like winning, and perhaps that is enough for some.”

  • Guest

    Would anyone else in the underground bunker family secretly record their family members for television?

    I would not in a million years no matter what the circumstances.

    If I perceived a loved one or friend was being victimized and exploited, I would not participate in their further victimization and exploitation. I would explore a thousand other ways of reaching out to them and I would never give up but I would never use them as things for my mission and my wants and needs and my agenda. They are individual sentient being and have rights that deserve respect. And if Scientology is not respecting them and their rights, I am not going to do the same thing.

    • Sir Hemet TC Burlwood, VIII

      Guest Ray,

      Did you or did you not receive several previous answers to this question?

      Are you capable of demonstrating any empathy for Lori’s situation?

      • Guest

        I am content to ask what I asked no matter how many times it was asked or answered previously. Having compassion does not require being in agreement with others. Compassion and agreement are not the same thing.

        • Sir Hemet TC Burlwood, VIII

          In this context, and in many many others, empathy and compassion are absolute requirements for agreement, and indeed could be considered one and the same. As I previously pointed out, which you appeared to acknowledge, you will receive nothing but scorn here until you begin to show it.

          • Guest

            Ok.

        • Sir Hemet TC Burlwood, VIII

          Guest Ray,

          The effect of such a question, especially with your strongly worded opinion and condemnation of her approach, is to rub salt in her wounds, and in the wounds of all those here who care and support her, many of whom have similar situations. So, If you are CONTENT to ask such a question, regardless of how many times it has been asked and answered, it provides even further evidence, beyond any reasonable doubt, that the intent of your comment is to intentionally hurt her further, and to agitate those that care.

          I have thus far given you the benefit of the doubt regarding your trollishness, much more so than others here. But reason is now winning out.

          • Guest

            I thought what I wrote was reasonable and added few words that had not been used.

            I am not here to stroke, agree with, heal, nurture, support or empower nor agitate or hurt nor rub salt in this woman. There are lots of so called “hurtful” words posted in the underground bunker that if read by the people being talked about would be viewed as hurtful and there is no restraint shown whatsoever. Anyone who is not on the team is fair game. Ironic. So because one is viewed on the team they get special favours? I do not buy into any of that.

            I do not want to talk too much about this woman specifically so I kept my comment as general as I could. But I do understand that some might find what I wrote as lacking empathy as you have said they would. I am content with what I wrote.

            With the obnoxious obsession our society currently has with filming the shit out of each other without our permission and selling it to the media for $$$$$$$, I feel the comment I posted included/touches on that broader topic that it is not personal to this woman. And is relevant and worth talking about more than it is.

            As for whether you choose to join the childish gang bangers labelling others as “trolls” , of course that is up to you.

            • Sir Hemet TC Burlwood, VIII

              I have explained why you are the object of such opprobrium, and suggested a remedy, which I predict would work if you would only test it. You state that you are not here to hurt or agitate anyone, but that IS the effect you have when you do not demonstrate empathy. Demonstrating such empathy can be viewed as a basic communication skill, and does not require you to stroke, heal, nature, or empower anyone. It is true that, if you are a member of a social group, you are allowed more freedom (i.e., special favours) to engage in behavior (only verbal, in this case) that would otherwise be more strongly condemned. But that is true for all social groups, to various degrees. Such shifting judgments do result in hypocrisy, which none of us can completely escape, and which you demonstrate by offering precious little empathy and understanding for specific people here, but then in the next breath express indignation that the group does not express empathy for unnamed others, and indirectly, for yourself.

            • Guest

              Sir Hemet TC Burlwood, VIII

              As everyone in the underground bunker probably already knows, you are brilliant and have an amazing wide view of all of it and an elegant way of expressing it. Thank-you

              I cannot disagree with what you wrote. I am in my last few posts (it is just so damn addictive this interactive/reply feature) …if i was wanting to be here and be a useful part of this community, I would take your advice.

            • Sir Hemet TC Burlwood, VIII

              Boy, do I know what you mean about the addictive nature of these replies, especially when you are having a thought provoking exchange. I am also running out of time and have many other things to do today.

          • Guest

            One other thing. I do not view you or this women or anyone here as small and powerless and weak and less than myself and on the edge or a precipice about to fall in. I take the case that people are big and powerful and capable. If I took the point of view you are suggesting I would have to view that women as small and weak and if i were to start choosing my words to make sure she is ok and not offended as if she is incapable, I am but capable in my largess but oh no, she is not. I take the case that both she and her son are capable people thinking for themselves. Are they influenced an profoundly affected by others? Yes, we all are. But they are also giants and capable of anything they put themselves to. If that way of viewing another is folly then what can i say. Unlike many people in the underground bunker and scientology, I do not have THE truth nor THE answers.

            • Sir Hemet TC Burlwood, VIII

              There is a great deal of folly in that perspective. I hope that you are open to figuring out why.

              The vast majority of people here would readily acknowledge that they do not have all the answers or access to absolute truth. The evidence for that permeates the comment section. If you only read the replies that you receive, and then only look for evidence that reinforces your belief that bunkerites are know-it-alls, then I can see why you would say that. But if you could read with fresh eyes or from another’s perspective, I think that you could see it.

    • IASREG

      All of Tom Cruise’s auditing sessions have been recorded and discussed in the offices by David Miscavige. If I were David Miscavige’s relative I would secretly record him and turn over the tapes to law enforcement and the media.

      • Guest

        I asked about secretly filming your own family and someone you actually care about and want the best for, without their permission for strangers working for a television show. Care to speak to that IASREG?

        • Tory Christman

          It’s always amazing to me, having done the same myself when “in”, to hear peeps like you who can find the ONE thing that ***maybe** would shed a poor light on an ex-member. Yet ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL of the crap, lies, Fair Game, Twisted Shit your phoney “church” does on a daily basis is ignored by you. Until you say your *real* name, offer a phone # or call me….I have this much use for your attempted “Black PR” of my friend, Lori. YOUR GOD DAMNED CULT CUT HER OFF FROM HER KIDS. What do you have to say about *that* buster?

          • Guest

            In my opinion, you are being a righteous blow hard and these anti-scientology blogs and youtube are your new elevated platform, lectern, pulpit, stage – and church. Without this topic to bellyache about and be superior about, what would you do, what would be your life purpose? OMG you are so important – can I have your autograph?, you are royalty here, people here gush and admire you and kiss your feet BECAUSE YOU DID WHAT FOR THE WORLD AGAIN??What did you bring into this world? Like Harvey Levin who drives gossip site TMZ, you are bringing nothing unique of value into this world. You spent years in a corrupt bankrupt group and now you are spending just as many years criticizing the same group, terrified to leave the warmth and familiarity of it. And wow look at this, this is cool the eviller and badder and more dangerous you portray scientology the more important your blow hard job is. How convenient is THAT?. Just amazing how that works? Hey maybe you can be part of a profitable lawsuit or sell a book one day?

            • Mrs Libnish

              Do you realize that you just make Sciloontology look WORSE with your hypocritical babbling? You are an OSAbot troll. Everyone knows it and no one cares.

              When you decide to blow, we will be here for you.

              PS – call your family.

              Edit: The Freeloader Debt is NOT enforceable and a bunch of BS. Don’t route out because they will just declare you anyway. Good luck.

    • Nevermore

      Considering the high likelihood that the cult will publish its own version of what happened, taping the conversation was a sensible precaution. Nothing like a live tape recording for evidence.

  • Guest

    Not that it matters, but there was a clone pretending to be me. All the posts about my contempt for facts were made up by a troll clone. I do understand the importance of facts. You can tell the troll clone’s comments from mine because he deletes them and I do not.

    • Guest

      clone

    • IASREG

      Fact: L. Ron Hubbard never saw combat and was never wounded in combat. Fact: Scientology practices disconnection as policy and a tool to control members. Fact: David Miscavage was Lisa Mcpherson’s C/S and was responsible for her death from the Introspection Rundown.

    • Sir Hemet TC Burlwood, VIII

      Guest ray, No one here will believe you. The only way that you could hope to be believed is for you to open your profile.

    • sugarplumfairy

      If you’re not a troll, you must have a very boring life ..

  • Noni Mause

    Scientology tech being put into the hands of the Russian parliament – that doesn’t sound like a match made in hell. At. All.

  • ClearwaterNative

    Thank you Mark Bunker for speaking to our city officials. It’s high time someone did because it would appear that they’ve been going out of their way lately to make “nice” with the “cult”. If I’d known you were speaking I would’ve been at the meeting. Consider yourself hugged Wise Beard Man…You are my hero!

  • Lifter1968

    What a bunch of fucktards here that are acting like they are in a CULT themselves. You actually follow Alley’s Twitter? That would be stalking yet you think you are so much better than Scientology why? You aren’t. You are LOSERS that can’t seem to understand the freedom that EVERY AMERICAN has to choose whatever they wish to believe in. perhaps many of your need to find a religion and stop stalking and coming to this cult website.
    Get lives and stay out of everyone else’s you retarded asssholes.
    Wow, I have never seen a bunch of harpy’s with no lives in my life!!

  • peakofelephants

    “She calls Leah a ‘bigot’ and likens her words to someone saying ‘Jews are evil’ and ‘Jews are a cult.’”

    Well, “Judaism,” technically. But point taken. And, IF organized Judaism did things the way Scientology does, then absolutely, they would be a cult. However, since they don’t, then I’ll just leave it to the nutters at the ADL to figure out how they want to respond.