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First look at Louis Theroux’s BBC film on Scientology: ‘Stairway to Heaven’

Louis_Theroux_thumbFilming was still going on just a few weeks ago on the Louis Theroux BBC feature about Scientology, so we don’t expect it to be in theaters for some time yet. But now we do have a glimpse, at least, of what BBC Films says its movie is going to be about.

In an online catalog, a complete two-page spread is devoted to Theroux and his documentary, which now has a title: Stairway to Heaven: Louis Theroux and the Church of Scientology.

While the media has been focusing on Alex Gibney’s HBO-produced documentary about Scientology, Going Clear, which is premiering this month at the Sundance Film Festival, we pointed out that Theroux and the BBC were also working to make a feature-length movie and seemed to be talking to some of the same subjects. But now that the two works are getting closer to release, we’re beginning to see how different they might be.

Gibney’s film is partly based on Lawrence Wright’s 2013 book Going Clear which was extremely harsh about Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard and put a sharp focus on allegations of abuse that the church subjects members to. Gibney’s team is being pretty tight-lipped with the description of its film — โ€œGoing Clear intimately profiles eight former members of the Church of Scientology, shining a light on how they attract true believers and the things they do in the name of religion.โ€ But HBO has already signaled that its film will be a devastating takedown of the church, and HBO Documentary Films president Sheila Nevins told the Hollywood Reporter the network has 160 lawyers ready to deal with what they expect to be a harsh Scientology legal offensive.

Theroux joked on Twitter that his film only has two attorneys on its side. And now, we get a small hint as to what his movie might be like.

 
Louis_Theroux_Stairway

 
Here’s what the fine print says…

Louis Theroux’s first theatrical feature documentary from the Oscar winning producer of Searching for Sugar Man and Man on Wire

One of the world’s newest and most mysterious religions, that numbers Tom Cruise among its followers… A scientific-seeming “technology” which, if properly followed, is said to make the able more able… A step-by-step path to spiritual freedom and personal growth, and just possibly super powers…

On the face of it, who wouldn’t be intrigued — even seduced — by this grand rhetoric?

For more than 10 years, Louis Theroux has been in the grip of a personal fascination with Scientology. Now, living in Los Angeles in the heart of the world’s largest population of Scientologists, he has decided to immerse himself in what he regards as “the Holy Grail of Stories.”

WRITERS John Dower, Louis Theroux
PRESENTER Louis Theroux
DIRECTOR John Dower
PRODUCER Simon Chinn
EXECUTIVE PRODUCERS Christine Langan, Joe Oppenheimer, Charlotte Moore, Mark Reynolds

 
If you know Theroux’s body of work, the film’s description fits his past efforts. He’s very good at going into a subculture and learning its ways on its own terms, and making people so comfortable on camera that they end up looking fairly ridiculous without much apparent effort from Theroux. Is that what his approach will be here?

We’ve covered Scientology’s “technology” in depth over the years, and have found it to be more about indocrination, interrogation, and control than “making the able more able.” The description of Stairway to Heaven wants us to believe that Theoroux seems to take seriously the notion that Scientology really has something to it — or is that just the come-on? We’re very curious to find out.

 
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Clark_Carr4Scientology’s Clark Carr wins a round against the NAFC

Narconon International president Clark Carr has won his request to have his class action lawsuit against the National Association of Forensic Counselors remanded back to Los Angeles Superior Court after the NAFC had removed it to federal court.

If you remember, the NAFC is suing the Church of Scientology and 81 other defendants, including Carr, for misusing its logos and trademarks in a conspiracy to make Scientology’s drug rehab network, Narconon, appear more legitimate than it is. The NAFC filed that lawsuit in Oklahoma, where Narconon has its flagship facility, Narconon Arrowhead. Carr’s group, Narconon International, is a Scientology entity which oversees Narconons around the world.

Carr filed a class action lawsuit against the NAFC in Los Angeles Superior Court, alleging that the NAFC was really selling fradulent drug counselor certifications that were worthless in California. He didn’t, however, mention that he was being sued in Oklahoma by the NAFC at the time. The NAFC has characterized Carr’s suit as typical Scientology legal trickery and not a serious complaint as it moved to have Carr’s suit removed to federal court while also moving to have it dismissed. But federal Judge John F. Walter agreed with Carr that he wasn’t alleging damages that were large enough to justify the move to federal court. So he’s remanded the case back to where it started. He did not, however, grant Carr’s request for attorney’s fees.

We asked attorney Scott Pilutik for his thoughts on Judge Walter’s order…

What happened here is that NAFC tried to “remove” the case to federal court, and doing so requires federal subject matter jurisdiction, in this case diversity jurisdiction. Diversity jurisdiction requires not only that the plaintiff and defendant reside in different states, but that the amount in controversy exceeds $75,000. Carr successfully argued that the amount in controversy fell far short of that; only when you aggregate the claims of potential class members do you reach $75,000, and there’s case law holding that the claims of class members can’t be aggregated to reach that amount in controversy threshold.

NAFC made a second attempt at removal, this time citing the Class Action Fairness Act (CAFA), which provides for federal subject matter jurisdiction where a class action proposes 100+ class members; at least some of the class members have different citizenship from the defendant; and where the aggregated claims of the proposed class members exceed $5m.

The court rejected this second attempt not because the NAFC failed to demonstrate the aforementioned three prongs, but because its second attempt constituted a second improper bite at the apple. In order to file a second removal notice, the facts or pleadings must have changed in the interim. NAFC argued that the second notice should be construed as an *amendment* of the first, not a second attempt, but the court rejected that argument, noting that if it was an amendment it was untimely.

The court declined to address the merits of the dismissal argument because absent subject matter jurisdiction it had no basis to do so. Carr’s suit may be ludicrous, but it’ll be up to the Los Angeles Superior Court to find as much.

 
Here’s the judge’s order…

 

Carr v. NAFC: Order granting remand

 
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Karen de la Carriere on Scientology’s ‘Freeloader Bill’

Karen explains what awaits Scientology’s Sea Org workers when they (inevitably) decide to leave their lives of semi-slavery.

 

 
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OUR COUNTDOWNS

23 days until Alex Gibneyโ€™s film Going Clear: Scientology & the Prison of Belief opens at the Sundance Film Festival at 2:30 pm on Sunday, January 25 in Park City, Utah

10 days until our special Underground Bunker announcement at noon on January 12

 
Posted by Tony Ortega on January 2, 2015 at 07:00

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Learn about Scientology with our numerous series with experts…

BLOGGING DIANETICS (We read Scientology’s founding text) 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25

UP THE BRIDGE (Claire Headley and Bruce Hines train us as Scientologists) 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37, 38, 39, 40, 41, 42, 43, 44, 45, 46, 47, 48

GETTING OUR ETHICS IN (Jefferson Hawkins explains Scientology’s system of justice) 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14

SCIENTOLOGY MYTHBUSTING (Historian Jon Atack discusses key Scientology concepts) 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37, 38, 39, 40, 41, 42, 43, 44, 45, 46, 47, 48, 49

PZ Myers reads L. Ron Hubbard’s “A History of Man” | Scientology’s Master Spies | Scientology’s Private Dancer
The Underground Bunker’s Official Theme Song | The Underground Bunker FAQ

 

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  • Before I went to bed last night, I had continued mirth & merriment. The part of my desk where my keyboard is (slides out) has been loose for awhile (missing a few screws—ah, just like me! ๐Ÿ™‚ but it just totally collapsed last night with the metal slider slicing through my xmas gift fleece lounge pants, my leg and then falling and collapsing a stack of cross stitch supplies. Skittles silently watched. HAH! I’ll get a couple screws today (for the desk, my mind is hopeless! ๐Ÿ˜‰ This morning–those haiku from yesterday STILL haven’t returned—I did wake up with a theme of niblet being isolated and that was it. So I sat here and Skittles tried to say something and I just said “Really dude?” and she’s been quiet since. I just started writing and whereas the first few were somewhat forced, the others started to flow a bit. I figured I’d tweet them all anyway! With my keyboard in my lap!! ๐Ÿ™‚

    Never hearing “no”
    from fearful sycophants, he
    thinks he’s a genius
    #scientology #haiku #davidmiscavige

    Removed from real life,
    refusing to mingle with
    church members, own cell.
    #scientology #haiku #davidmiscavige

    L Ron would mingle
    with church members, niblet thinks
    he’s better than all.
    #scientology #haiku #davidmiscavige

    What other ‘church’ head
    isolates themselves so much
    from members and life?
    #scientology #haiku #davidmiscavige

    North Korea’s Kim
    is seen in public more than
    niblet is. It’s true.
    #scientology #haiku #davidmiscavige

    Narcissist alone
    with their thoughts, beliefs, will get
    you someone like COB
    #scientology #haiku #davidmiscavige

    You don’t ‘rule’ by fear,
    you lead by example, those
    fearful are puppets.
    #scientology #haiku #davidmiscavige #puppetmaster

    Trapped by his actions,
    he knows no other way, thus
    continuing on.
    #scientology #haiku #davidmiscavige #SomeoneTellThisToddlerNO

    Not asking for help
    as that’s a sign of weakness
    Blundering onward
    #scientology #haiku #davidmiscavige

    Imagine the looks
    amongst those around niblet
    as he screams orders
    #scientology #haiku #davidmiscavige

    Feeling trapped within
    Carrying on though they are
    conflicted inside
    #scientology #haiku #davidmiscavige

    One man’s obsessions
    hunger for power, control
    will destroy the church
    #scientology #haiku #davidmiscavige #KeepItUp #GreatJob

    Better than anons
    niblet is destroying from
    within, walls collapse
    #scientology #haiku #davidmiscavige #KeepItUp

    His actions reveal
    the true state of his mind and
    his world detachment
    #scientology #haiku #davidmiscavige #darkscaryplace

    He can’t control all
    Internet, T.V., or the
    documentaries
    #scientology #haiku #davidmiscavige

    Responses off base
    Attacking, full of lies, and
    sadly comical
    #scientology #haiku #davidmiscavige

    • Beautiful Haiku bullets are back!

      • well i’d probably rank these as nerf bullets….but i figured i’d just go with the flow today!

        • Thank you Tia!

          • joan nieman

            Awesome haikus …awesome Tia….A good way to start a new year with Pan’s poetry and Tia’s haikus. Thank you Karen and Jeff for the best videos going. Thank you to Tony for all the facts and wonderful reporting. We are so looking forward to Sundance!

    • Missionary Kid

      Ouch. That’s Skittles revenge for yelling at her. She’s sneaky! How did she find a screwdriver? ๐Ÿ˜‰

      • I dunno how she did that, I was in here most of the day!! I’m more irked about my fleece lounge wear…..

        • joan nieman

          Damn! I guess you will have a mending job as well as a computer desk repair job. I bet you will have it all fixed in no time.

          • the desk is gonna be a PITA to fix….but i have 2 sample screws—2 different types for 2 different sections—unbelievable basically 2 screws were just holding that up for so long out of a total needed of 8–to take to home depot and match up….screwing them in is gonna mess up my arm so i won’t be able to mend for awhile….damn desk…..

            • Missionary Kid

              Did the screws pull out of wood? If they did, you can stick toothpicks in the hole or slivers of match sticks, then put the screws in again. The additional wood fills the hole and is forced out to provide a tight fit for the screw. Paper can also be used, but I recommend using heavy paper if you do. You can fill the hole, then screw into it.

            • i only have 2 screws total!! i have no clue where the other 6 went—probably some black hole…i thought i was only ONE screw short and that’s why it was wobbly and had no idea there was only 2 total until it collapsed last night!

            • Missionary Kid

              I’m assuming that the screws are up into the desk top. Take the screws that you have with you and make sure that they the ones you buy aren’t too long. Probably, the screws you need are round headed. If the screws go into wood, it doesn’t matter if they’re sheet metal screws or wood screws.

              Flat-headed screws may not pull the drawer slide close enough.

              If you need to make a hole in the top, if it’s particle board, you can take a little nail and pound it in a ways (about 1/4 of the way), then pull it out to provide a starter hole for the screw. Push up on the screw to help the threads catch and start pulling the screw in to the hole.

            • i’m FIXED!!! well, wait, i’m not…oh wait, i did get those parts removed with a tumor, so technically i am, but mentally? oh no….but my desk is fixed!! ๐Ÿ˜€ i’ll never be ‘fixed’…..HAH! i thought i had put in a comment to you, but yeah, i took those screws with me as there’s no way i’d remember what size they were…one was a sheet metal and the other wood…the guy at home depot helped me get the right ones….it went quicker than i thought fixing it!!

              now my DESK CHAIR….i’ve had a wheel where the side of caster keeps coming off and that will make the chair unbalanced—and i’m already unbalanced enough ๐Ÿ˜€ it would NOT stay on….so i grabbed a caster for it at home depot….there was only one option for desk chairs….oh no, of course MY desk chair doesn’t take that one…..i had a moment of ghetto ingenuity though and i wrapped part of a band aid around the metal spoke and then put the caster side on it—-it’s staying!!! YEAH!!!!!! ๐Ÿ˜€

            • Missionary Kid

              If the castor is the type with a post sticking up, and the post is too small, it’s better to use some metal wrapped around the post than a band aid.

              Take a beer can and cut a strip about the width you need and wrap it around the post to take up the space.

              You can cut the can open with a knife, then use scissors to cut it to the right size.

              Good luck!

            • you’ve lost me with the post sticking up, etc….it was the cap on the side of the caster —one kept coming off and without that it’d get unbalanced….little bit of the band aid has worked perfectly!!! i probably have not explained this correctly, i’m sorry, i’m not technically minded….

              oh dear, i can JUST imagine the blood bath if i tried to cut up a can!! EEK!! i don’t have beer around—in cans or bottles anyway ๐Ÿ˜‰ but wow, my keyboard is STABLE and so is my chair….so uh, now what’s gonna break?? ๐Ÿ˜€

            • stillgrace2

              I hope you have an electric or battery powered screwdriver. Some drills have chucks available to accept special screwdriver bits. They make repairs so much easier on the hands and arms. I love mine- worth every penny.

            • nope, only hand powered!!! no drill either….i’d be tempted to use my 10# sledgehammer but I doubt that’ll work ๐Ÿ˜‰ my basic tool kit consists of: aforementioned sledgehammer, screwdriver with 2 bits, WD-40 and duct tape….what more could i need? ๐Ÿ˜€

            • stillgrace2

              What more could you need?? I’m telling ya- you’ll never regret it! (F5)

            • i’ll put one of those on a wish list….when i fixed the desk i didn’t have to bend my left arm that much, so hopefully it won’t ache that bad later or tomorrow!! ๐Ÿ™‚

            • joan nieman

              I hope it doesn’t bother your arm too much. Just rest a bit in between.

            • it wasn’t !!!! i had to put pressure on my left elbow for a few seconds—to hold up the tray but screwing the screws wasn’t as bad as i thought!!! usually things go quite ‘screwy’ around here! ๐Ÿ™‚ especially in a tight dark, cramped space….so i thank the desk area for cooperating! ๐Ÿ˜€

            • SPOKE TOO SOON!! ah, delayed reaction….NOW my elbow is taking it’s revenge!! how DARE i bend it that much and put pressure on it??? ๐Ÿ™ damn elbow!

            • joan nieman

              Well, go and rub it with linement and maybe ice it. Take care of that arm…we need Haikus!

            • i have some triflora stuff i put on it….i’m right handed and this is my left arm but gah when it starts to ache…..i have cubital tunnel in the elbow (basically carpel tunnel of the elbow) and as long as i don’t excessively bend it or put weight on it, it’s okay….gah, got it’s revenge today!!! i don’t have ice….oh wait, i have some ice pack thingies…..the part that is swollen though is between bones so the ice pack wouldn’t really ‘reach’ that….i just gotta do a ‘reverse napoleon’ with my left arm….and yeah, writing, i write with my right, but i hold the paper with my left….

              i can/will haiku if things come to mind and skittles doesn’t yell and make them go away! ๐Ÿ™‚

      • stillgrace2

        Cats are very crafty. (F5)

        • joan nieman

          Oh! Those cats are very intelligent. They just ‘know’.

        • Destructor of Worlds

          So many cat pictures and computers exist but that cat seems to know it’s bussiness

        • Missionary Kid

          I had to forward that to a friend of mine who loves cats.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      “North Korea’s Kim
      is seen in public more than
      niblet is. It’s true.”
      My favorite.

      • thanks!! and it’s true!! ๐Ÿ™‚

      • Stacy

        Mine too. I was going to do exactly what you did. ๐Ÿ™‚

    • Morning Dodo!

      • Morning 2015 Tia!

        • Ah, yes, 2015!! Probably should write the year on checks! ๐Ÿ™‚

    • romanesco

      Great pic!

  • I watched Theroux’s documentaries on Westboro Baptist on youtube a couple years, they were really good. He just let them ‘be’ pretty much, let them get comfortable and reveal themselves as they were.

  • 10 days.

  • Dr_Orpheus

    I guess British Scientologists will be ordered to throw out all of their tellys, so they don’t have to pay the vile television license which supports the utterly suppressive, biggoted, psych run BBC!

    • Graham

      Hmm. That means an absolute max of 2 418 fewer licence fees. I suspect the BBC will be able to stand that. Indeed it’s highly likely that those Scientologists are living in family groups, so at 4 per household that would mean the loss of about 600 licence fees.

      But the 2 418 figure is from the 2011 census, just before the Debbie Cook e-mail. So who knows how many are still in three further years down the road? And how many of those who described themselves as Scientologists were practising as independents, free of Slappy and his Weight of Crappiness?

      It will be interesting to see what kind of feeble protest UK Scientologists can manage to muster.

      • richelieu jr

        If they just make all the Jedis pay a penny more, it will more than make up for it…

      • There’s always the possibility that some of numbers are still Smart A55es, who will give the most ridiculous answer they can on a census–although the Jedi have drawn off a lot of that number.

        • Dr_Orpheus

          If I lived in the Uk, I’d claim to be a Sith because the Jedi are wimps!

  • Truthiwant

  • About Karen’s video. If you are being paid to keep your mouth shut and having comfortable life for a change,
    but something is gnawing inside, like consciousness, perhaps – it’s ok to report the truth. You will be okay.

  • “Stairway to Heaven” title is pure sarcasm.
    *Heaven* indeed.

    • Stairway to Heaven: Louis Theroux and the Church of Scientology

      Great, ironic title on so many levels, indeed.

    • Miss Cabbage

      … an endless climb heading to nowhere, known as “The Bridge.”

    • romanesco

      And as they wind on down the road
      Their shadows taller than their souls…

    • Barbara Angel

      Absolutely, pure sarcasm but quite and accurate analogy. The co$-a-nostra are allegedly selling ‘A stairway’ (bridge), but in reality its just a very nasty scam indeed, which you only find out about, when you have no money, no family, no friends, no life, left.

      • Missionary Kid

        “Co$-a-nostra” is a new nickname for Co$, and I’ve put it on the list.

        • Captain Howdy

          That’s a keeper.

          • Missionary Kid

            It sure is. I’ve got to start using it, because it fits so well.

    • joan nieman

      Stairway to Hell is more like it.

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    The title, “Stairway to Heaven…” tells me all I need to know about direction of this film. And the first person who slaps that song of interminable annoyance to every musician and music lover down in this Bunker will have to deal with me And my hubby. It is the musical equivalent of the Feschbach atrocity. My objection so entered.

    • But, but, it was allegedly dedicated to a scientology girlfriend…

      • 1subgenius

        Very interesting, but still wouldn’t justify posting it here.
        But very, very interesting and relevant. Thanks for reminding us.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Was there a band from the 70’s that didn’t bump into a dedicated glare in that decade? I’m beginning to think not.

        • Richard Grant

          Maybe this is what opened the door for disco to slip in.

          • Hahaha!

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            Woh, this is a major revelation. This explains the mystery of the universe.

          • Captain Howdy

            And Punk to erupt and try to return rock to it’s roots and save it from overblown, pompous 70’s “Classic Rock”

            • Destructor of Worlds

              Diversity in music is a good thing.

          • Destructor of Worlds

            Motown is pretty groovy

          • Rita Gregory

            I think you’re on to something…

    • 1subgenius

      So second the motion on the musical self-indulgent abomination. Please add “Sympathy For the Devil”,
      And I’m suspecting that Theroux’s approach will be similar to Parker and Stone’s treatments of Scientology and Mormonism. Just let the absurdity speak for itself.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Agree – why change something that worked so well before?

    • Peter

      Well, if you hadn’t mentioned it, I wouldn’t have started singing it in my mind, damn it! LOL

    • Alanzo

      Hey! My garage band rocked the whole world with that song at the Bloomington High School Talent show in 1979!

      I played the drum part perfectly, including the bass drum/snare drum syncopated triplets towards the end.

      My whole self identity, and any self-esteem I might still have, is based on being able to play that song. (That and Rush 2112)

      Alanzo

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        I acknowledge your syncopated triplets awesomeness, but I’ve played Champaign, and I, like, Know, you know? I just Know. Pffffffft.!!!!!

        • Alanzo

          I’ve played Champaign, as well. I used to live in an L-shaped room on Green Street where I once did 2 hits of microdot and wrote down every thought I had.

          Please don’t take that away from me.

          Alanzo

    • flexible

      Perfect analogy.. or comparison.. or whatever it is.. but it’s perfect. :0)

    • Stacy

      Ok, not being a musician-extraordinaire, I’m not seeing the tragedy of Led Zeppelin. Many moons ago, I was dragged to a Page/Plant concert by a friend who didn’t want to subject a real date to his roommate who went with him (I’d known the goofy roommate for many years, so it was ok to subject me to him). I’ve never been a Led Zeppelin fan (can’t you tell from music vids I post?), but even I had to admit, those guys were great. I was pretty impressed with them live.

    • John P.

      It’s like “Wayne’s World,” where Wayne goes into the music store to test out the guitar of his dreams with the lovely Tia Carrere watching. The first lick is from that bombastically self-important rock anthem, at which point, the camera pulls back to show a prominent sign on the wall: http://www.slate.fr/sites/default/files/photos/sadsad.jpg

      • Destructor of Worlds

        Beauty is in the eye of the beholder

        I like that song, but Wayne’s world is Excellent ! Party Time !!

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Good one. I forgot all about that sign!

    • Missionary Kid

      I am a person who doesn’t like to hear a song over and over. That being said, I believe that the reason that Stairway and Freebird are popular is that the beat starts slow, then speeds up. That tends to get people up on their feet.

      Most songs have the same beat all the way through, so it’s like they are shifting gears.

      I happen to like both songs – if I only hear them occasionally.

  • Alanzo

    I think Mr Theroux’s (properly pronounced “Tear-roo”) title says it all, really.

    Stairway to Heaven

    “And she’s buying a stairway

    to

    Heav-unnnnnnn!”

    Alanzo

    • No, you didn’t!

      • Alanzo

        Yes I did.

        I sang a Led Zeppelin song right here in the comments section of Tony’s blog.

        Alanzo

        • 1subgenius

          A great song to sing at bizarro karaoke.
          Best song ever to karaoke: “Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald”.

          • richelieu jr

            God I loved that song as a kid…

            • 1subgenius

              By the way the church bells referred to are those at the Old Mariners’ Church here in Detroit.

              http://marinerschurchofdetroit.org/

              There was a great punk karaoke bar where everyone tried to murder the songs instead of doing them well.

              A guy got up and did “Wreck”, frickin’ hilarious. Its only about an hour and a half long, and dirge like. I can’t even believe it was on the karaoke machine.

              Another great one to do: “Tequila”. Because there’s only one word.

            • Stacy

              One of the reasons I loved the “Wreck” as a kid was because it was MY history, Michigan history.

            • Mrs. V.

              Me too. I remember taking a boat tour on Lake Superior to see where the Wreck happened and then going to a museum where there was an exhibit with part of the ship when I was a kid.

            • Stacy

              Very cool, Mrs. V.

            • 1subgenius

              If you’re still here we should do a raid.

            • Stacy

              I’m in Florida now. No more cold, dreary winters for me! Otherwise, I’d love to do a raid with you.

            • 1subgenius

              Awwww, all the cool grrrrrls are in Florida.

            • Stacy

              True. We are. ๐Ÿ˜‰

            • Eclipse-girl

              great lakes history ; – )

            • Mrs. V.

              A punk karaoke bar? That would be awesome! I’m sorry I never knew about it before.

            • 1subgenius

              The Buddha Lounge. You in Detroit? Lahser and 8 Mile. Not there anymore.

              So cool, that when the bartender was late we broke in and ran the joint until he got there.

              He later went on to open Slow’s. Best BBQ in Detroit and (one of) the best in the country.

              http://slowsbarbq.com/

            • Mrs. V.

              I’m not in Detroit, I’m about a mile and a half north of the border. And yes, I love Slow’s. One of my favorites.

            • 1subgenius

              North? Of course the trick question is what foreign country do you hit first if you go south from Detroit?

              Canada. Windsor is south of Detroit.

              But I know what you’re saying.

              Oh, and if Slow’s is one of your favorites, what are the others?

              Is the Tunnel BBQ still there? Answer:

              http://tbqwindsor.com/

            • Mrs. V.

              No, I’m not in Windsor. I was referring to the Border meaning 8 Mile. So I’m between 9 mile and 10 mile. Haven’t heard of Tunnel BBQ before, but I have been to other BBQ places (the chains mostly on the East Side as my in-laws used to live out there) and though they’re tasty, they do not measure up to Slow’s at all. There’s also a pretty good one in RO right by the brewery, but still not as good as Slow’s.

              We haven’t been out to eat in a while because we’re kinda broke and Mr. V. has low blood sugar so if we do go out, there’s a few bars/restaurants in our little city that we can get seating pretty quickly so we’ve been sticking to those unless he has time to prepare.

            • 1subgenius

              Oh, “border” confused me.

              I’m near 11 and Woodward.

              And you mean Lockhart’s.

              http://www.lockhartsbbq.com/

              I haven’t had good luck there, and I notice no lines getting into the place. I’ll try again, maybe.

              You may have tried Vinsetta Garage

              http://vinsettagarage.com/

              Food good, but expensive and hard to get in. They piss me off because they block up the sidewalk when I’m trying to get to the market.

              (BTW, I’m broke too) I also find my cooking superior to what I can get out. Usually only go out when I’m tired of cooking and doing dishes.

            • Mrs. V.

              Yes! Lockhart’s! I couldn’t remember the name – thank you! We’re neighbors, just a few miles from each other! How cool! I’m off Woodward Heights and Woodward. It’s great to be able to walk to places in the summer when we can afford it. We haven’t been to Vinsetta but I’ve heard great things about it. I’m hoping 2015 will bring some things for us to celebrate so we can make an excuse to go. ๐Ÿ™‚

            • 1subgenius

              I go by there often. NY Bagels, the best! (Memo to self: go today, I’m out of bagels.)
              And if you haven’t been to the Fly Trap, its cool.
              That’s all part of my hood. I like Ferndale better than RO.

            • Mrs. V.

              Fly Trap has the best omelettes. We haven’t been there in a while though because the lines are long to get a seat.

            • 1subgenius

              I don’t do lines ever. Period. There is nothing that is worth it.
              If there was a wait to get into the Pearly Gates I’d say hello hell.

            • 1subgenius

              Ha ha, just got back from getting bagels and a cruise around Ferndale.
              Did you see me go by? I’m the crazy guy on the orange tricycle.
              Anyway, it looks like the Fly Trap is expanding, or another place is opening up next door.
              And “coming soon” “Rock-n-Roll BBQ” on 9 Mile where AJ’s Coffee shop used to be.

            • Mrs. V.

              No, I did not see you! I worked today but as I drove passed 11 mile I mentally waved to you :).

              Rock-n-Rlol BBQ sounds good. And Fly Trap sure could use an expansion.

            • Roger Larsson

              Starshadow from Detroit liked The byrds “turn, turn, turn” better than Lennons imagine.

          • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

            Great song. Should have won the Grammy just for trying to rhyme Gitch-a-goo-me. There are also rumours of Lightfoot having been involved in Scientology. I suspect that if there is any truth to it at all, it was on the level of his buying a book or getting fished into the Comm Course. Then again, his contemporary, countryman and fellow folkie Leonard Cohen did get fished in, if not landed and eaten.

            I met Lightfoot on two occasions through a mutual friend. If we ever meet again I will ask him about Scientology.

            Sid, did you ever cross paths with him at the Toronto Org or meet a reliable individual who claimed to have crossed his path?

          • Rita Gregory

            Back in the 70’s when I was a young phlebotomist it seemed every time I got called out in the middle of the night to go the hospital and take blood from an ER patient, “Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald” was on the car radio. I am not fond of that song for that reason.

            • 1subgenius

              Ah, the soundtrack of our lives.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist
        • flexible

          Ha! lololol Funnneee

    • Miss Cabbage

      Exactly! Always buying, and never possessing.
      It is so sad that well-intentioned people can be suckered into this scam, especially those who were born into it.

    • Eileen

      Never got that before, thanks for the insight!

    • Axiom142

      It might be pronounced that way if he were French, Al, but he is English. His surname is always pronounced in the Anglicised way (using the ‘h’) – at least in all the many documentaries of his that I have seen.
      But I’m sure you’re right about the reason for the title. It is all about buying. Personally, I might have gone for ‘Never-Ending Treadmill To Heaven’. But that wouldn’t have been as catchy.

  • Captain Howdy

    I wonder if they titled it Stairway To Heaven because they heard the old rumor that Robert Plant’s lyrics were about a woman he was dating at the time that was member of The Incredible String Band who was a scientologist (most of the band were). Her name was Rose Simpson.

    This is for THDNE

    http://youtu.be/KTCYLbFxTpI

    • Such entheta!

      • richelieu jr

        It’s Entheterrific!

      • L. C. Spencer

        So suppressive.
        Very wow!

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Hahahaha. Thanks. Right on, man. Whenever we inevitably got requests from the last drunks, we had a little ditty we called, “Stairway to Freebird”.

      • Captain Howdy

        Hah! I was just going to tell 1SG that I would like to substitute Freebird for Sympathy For The Devil.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Now I have an engram. I played Sympathy for the Devil here once, and got a Sub Scorch. But I think it was a Flying Burrito Brothers version maybe, so it had that scientological connection. I was still sent to ethics.

      • Richard Grant

        Thanks for this enlightenment, you two. I never knew any of this stuff — about the Scientology girlfriend or the intense antipathy of musicians toward this song. (Though there’s a little hint in the first Austin Powers movie, isn’t there — the music store with a hand-drawn sign saying “NO STAIRWAY.”)

        In a perverse way, this makes me respect Robert Plant a bit more, because that song title works SO MUCH BETTER as a metaphor than “the Bridge,” which as I’ve ranted before is simply nonsensical.

        • scottishinlondon

          I think it’s one of those occasions when Hubbard was having a laugh by telling the truth, he was selling a bridge just like George C Parker

    • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

      Origins of the Sea Org. Thurston and Lovey are L.Ron and Mary Sue. Mary-Anne is also Mary Sue. What the hay– her thetan controls two bodies. Ginger is all the female messengers. Skipper is Captian Bill. Gilligan is Miscavige. The Professor, also know as the forgotten castaway, would have be an amalgam of Dr. Winter, John W. Campbell and John McMaster.

    • krazykamper

      Ha, I wonder. My father in law in really good friends with Robert plant….wonder if we could ask him?!!

    • scottishinlondon

      Oh man that’s sad, I didn’t know the Incredible String Band were Scientologists… ๐Ÿ™

      well better to know than not to know

    • L. C. Spencer

      Huh. That’s the second version of that that I’ve read this morning — upthread, Joe Howard claims her name was Susie Watson Taylor and she was a friend of the band who worked at Author Services. Both of these sound plausible. The lyrics are much more applicable to Scientology than to drugs or anything else.

  • Panopea Abrupta

    If the ban hammer is already like Damocles’ sword suspended over the first Bunkeroo who dares post
    Plant and Page’s dope-fueled self-indulgence, perhaps I had better drop these amended lyrics from another hoary old chestnut and head for the hills:

    Imagine

    Imagine there’s no Hemet
    It isn’t easy when they cry
    Saint Hell’s a racket
    Selling the blue sky

    Imagine all the people
    Longing to get away

    Imagine no possessions
    I wonder if you can
    Only DM’s greed and anger,
    A befuddlement of man

    Imagine there’s no Hemet
    It isn’t hard to do
    Nothing to shill or lie for
    End the religion, too

    Imagine all the people
    Finally set free

    You may say I’m a schemer
    But I’m not the only one
    I hope someday you will join us
    $cientology will be gone

    Imagine all the people
    Regaining all their world

    You may say I’m a schemer
    But I’m not the only one
    I hope someday you will join us
    $cientology will be gone

    • Has anyone recently told you that you are awesome? Because you are.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Seconded and thirded.

        • shasha40

          Fourth and fifthed !

          • richelieu jr

            I fifth? I’ll drink to that!

    • shasha40

      I live for the day … Beautiful !

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      That was the best. Thanks.
      Just perfect.

    • Techie

      PA forgive me but that reminds me of a really funny story from the Freewinds Maiden Voyage sometime in the late 90s. We had a female vocalist, I think from Germany, can’t remember her name. She was the one who insisted on a skimpy costume, and when they said no tried to get away with skimpy plus fishnet body stocking. Hey, we were putting on a family show, no bare butt and no fishnet! Put some clothes on! A few of the crew got in trouble for flirting with her.<p.But the funny part is, she wanted to do that song "Imagine" by John Lennon. Some of the lyrics are not Scientology approved, like "imagine no religion". They are fine on "no heaven" and "no hell" but "no religion" is a bridge too far. So they gave her an edited version and all went fine in rehearsal. But when she went on she sang the unexpurgated version. In front of Dave M, all the RTC senior executives, IAS Administrative personnel, rabidly Scientology obsessed ship crew and the most expensive whales that could be gathered from the far corners of the earth. "Nothing to kill or die for, and no religion too…"

      • Stacy

        I would’ve loved to see the look on DM’s face. I just hope he didn’t beat the crap out of the singer.

      • villagedianne

        Great story, Techie. I love it.

      • Anonymous

        Was her name “Elvira” Costello?

        (From the Saturday Night Live episode where Elvis Costello played Radio, Radio live on the air after being prohibited from doing so.)

        http://vimeo.com/109353508

        • sookiesookie

          Thank you, Anonymous! EC is one of the gods in my pantheon, but I’ve never heard this story. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_Radio

          I do so love an artist with integrity.

          • Anonymous

            He is incredibly talented and versatile.

      • Eileen

        What happened to her subsequently?

      • Lady Squash

        so what happened?

        • Techie

          I’m not sure what happened to the vocalist, it would surprise me if she were still in but who knows. She was not in the Sea Org so Dave probably cut her some slack and just blamed the Musicians. My friend who flirted with her got in trouble, for that and a lot of other things. He ended up in the Hole (before it was called that) then transferred to LA where last I heard he had cancer and was working in the Canteen.

          • Lady Squash

            Sad, sad, sad. But thanks for sharing.

    • Captain Howdy

      BAM! I can see the ball bouncing down Lansdowne Street as I write this.

  • Jack99

    Is Theroux’s plan to interview people still inside the church? I assume these people will need to get permission from the church to be interviewed and to speak on its behalf. How will they get that after the Sweeney BBC documentaries? And have these people never seen Theroux’s previous programs? I guess, if you’re told to stay away from youtube it could happen…

    • We know where it’s going..

    • Stacy

      Maybe he’ll interview some UTR’s anonymously.
      We can hope.

      • Richard Grant

        I’m thinking that, too, Stacy.

  • Ella Raitch

    For more than 10 years, Louis Theroux has been in the grip of a personal fascination with Scientology

    So Louis must at least be a lurker at the Bunker, right?

  • Stacy

    Remember, Theroux learned first hand what it’s like to be on the receiving end of Fair Game.

    ETA: It was a pretty mild experience, compared to some, but he did experience it.

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    Thanks once again, Karen, for another enlightening/shocking video. This is a second confirmation since Marc Headley dropped that bombshell recently about this hush money deal. I had to rummage through the closet to find my bitter frock and don it once again, I was so enraged. Perhaps it’s a blessing in disguise. Now staff will have one less barrier to the exit doors – finances.

    And once again you have described a typical day of a Mafiaso organization. I was reminded yesterday of my take: The only difference between scientology and the mafia is the mafia actually attend church on Sundays.

    • shasha40

      * Ba-dum- tshh *

    • Sid_Snakey

      Technically, it’s only when you’ve taken the frock off again do you become bitter.

    • I’m certain that the Mafiaso eat better than the Sea Org.

      • villagedianne

        Badda bing, badda boom.

      • ze moo

        Linguine with clam sauce is one of my favorite Italian dishes.

      • scottishinlondon

        and better family values

  • MaxSpaceman

    O/T. Typo tech. Space bar entheta. “…living in Los Angelesin the…”

  • Sid_Snakey

    As you say Tony, Louis Theroux’s style of work is to enter a sub-culture and simply let them be themselves.

    The CofS will have told Louis to get lost, so his film will probably be solely about indies.

    My guess is he will ask them lots of questions about the tech and I’m sure he will ask to go on the cans and have other Scientology processes run on him, which will be fascinating I’m sure.

    He has spent time with Karen and Marty, so you wonder how those two will emerge. We all think highly of Karen in particular, and after all she’s been through I hope she comes out of it well.

    It will be VERY interesting to hear Marty’s latest perspective on Hubbard and the tech.

    For us Scn-watchers I think it will be an interesting watch, but I wonder what impact it might have inside the church, because the hard-pressed membership are going to be seeing a lot of very happy former members who are no longer in the church and are doing just fine, and not being hassled for money constantly.

    My concern is that in concentrating on the indie sub-culture he won’t cover certain key aspects of church abuses. Only needing two lawyers is an indication that this is probably the case.

    However, I truly hope that Louis covers disconnection. Can you imagine the impact of him spending time with some lovely couple and then the mother breaks down in tears because she is no longer allowed to see her son or grandchildren?

    So I think people shouldn’t get their hopes up too high for a Scientology expose a la Alex Gibney, but I suspect the film nonetheless could have an impact on those still in the church.

    • I agree that Louis Theroux will never get anywhere the CofS (except for experiencing surveillance and interference) and will consequently concentrate on interviewing ‘independents’.

      I also suspect that he will not go for a heavy-handed coverage of CofS abuses because that kind of editorialising is not his style. However, his interviews with exes and independents will doubtless provide may consistent claims of abuse – which will be given credibility by the reaction of the ‘Church’ and footage of the people sent to watch his activities.

      Theroux’s programme will strongly complement the ‘well-documented documentary’ style of Alex Gibney by allowing people who were once rank and file Scientologist to speak for themselves about their experience, and take the focus away from Hubbard and Miscavige and Scientology ‘celebrities’. He will put a human face on the experience of Scientology by revealing what it is like for ‘the poor blood infantry.’

      He won’t so much “cover disconnection” as allow it to emerge from his interviews – and given the widespread nature of this abuse, it won’t be long before this happens. When it does, it will be all the more effective because it will not be a claim from an activist, but will have emerged naturally from the situation.

    • Dale A.

      “but I wonder what impact it might have inside the church, ” Sid, IMO, the target audience is people outside the church. Judges are gun shy and blinded by celebrity too.

    • Richard Grant

      Sid, I rather think we should reserve judgment. We can’t know yet, for instance, who Theroux managed to get on camera, and I suspect it’s quite possible he ingratiated himself with some active COS members who were happy to regale him with their stories and respond to his questions. LA also has probably the largest concentration of EX-Scientologists on the planet, including some whose experience is pretty fresh, and I’d guess not too many of these are indie types.

      My own experience as a journalist is pretty thin, but I’ve been continually astounded by what people are willing to talk about, even when you’ve clearly identified yourself and what you’re doing, and you are sitting there with (in my case) a notebook in your hand. Louis Theroux is a seasoned pro, and his stated target is the “Holy Grail of stories.” I’d be surprised if he settled for indies and a few already-well-known sources like Marty.

      • joan nieman

        You are right Richard. We cannot speculate anything for the sake of comment. We can discuss the film after we have viewed it. Those comments will be far more valid.

        • Richard Grant

          Thanks, Joan. I do think it’s fair to speculate about what’s going to be in these coming documentaries — and about Tony’s “surprise” announcement 10 days from now that he’s been chosen as the next James Bond, which many of us have known for months now — but it’s a bit early to start drafting the reviews.

          • Juicer77

            Incoming Observer shoop in 3…2…1…

          • NOLAGirl

            Ortega, Tony Ortega.

            I like it. ๐Ÿ™‚ ETA: Just saw Juicers comment, an Obs shoop or a Mark movie-poster would be perfect.

    • pluvo

      โ€œIt will be VERY interesting to hear Marty’s latest perspective on Hubbard and the tech.โ€

      I think, that in one of his latest articles โ€œAre Scientologists Trained to Lie?โ€ that is emerging.
      http://markrathbun.wordpress.com/2014/08/13/are-scientologists-trained-to-lie/

      And in โ€œDeconstructing Scientologyโ€œ, which is about hypnosis.
      http://markrathbun.wordpress.com/2014/09/13/deconstructing-scientology-2/

  • HillieOnTheBeach

    A scientific-seeming โ€œtechnologyโ€ which, if properly followed, is said to make the able more ableโ€ฆ

    Therein lies the switch.

    It is impossible to properly follow the tech. Despite its claims of perfection and unalterability, it is somehow always being “improved”.

    • Captain Howdy

      Any con can always be improved upon..refined, polished, elaborated. Most of your classic con games have gone through numerous changes down through the years.

      • Destructor of Worlds

        Like the promise of “The American Dream”

        • 1subgenius

          “When you reach the broken promise land
          When every dream slips through your hand
          Then you know you crossed the borderline”
          (Hiatt? Cooder?)

          • Destructor of Worlds
            • 1subgenius

              Yeah, I thought Cooder and Hiatt, but there’s more.

              And since you went to all that trouble the entire lyric is worth posting. Great song.

              “There’s a place where I’ve been told

              Every street is paved with gold
              And it’s just across the borderline
              And when it’s time to take your turn
              Here’s a lesson that you must learn
              You could lose more than you’ll ever hope to find

              When you reach the broken promised land
              And every dream slips through your hands
              Then you’ll know that it’s too late to change your mind
              ‘Cause you’ve paid the price to come so far
              Just to wind up where you are
              And you’re still just across the borderline

              Up and down the Rio Grande
              A thousand footprints in the sand
              Reveal a secret no one can define
              The river flows on like a breath
              In between our life and death
              Tell me who’s the next to cross the borderline

              En la triste oscuridad (In the sad darkness)
              Hoy tenemos que cruzar (today we have to cross)
              Este rรƒยญo que nos llama mas alla (this river which calls us further away)

              But hope remains when pride is gone
              And it keeps you moving on
              Calling you across the borderline

              When you reach the broken promised land
              Every dream slips through your hands
              And you’ll know it’s too late to change your mind
              ‘Cause you pay the price to come so far
              Just to wind up where you are
              And you’re still just across the borderline
              Now you’re still just across the borderline
              And you’re still just across the borderline

              Songwriters: COODER, RYLAND PETER / DICKINSON, JAMES LUTHER / HIATT, JOHN ROBERT

    • And despite suckers getting swindled out of outrageous amounts of money over and over again, the crooks never quite manage to sell their frauds “correctly,” or the marks are never able to “apply it correctly.”

      The Hallmark of the classic con: Blame the victim for the fraud’s failure to work.

  • Sunny

    After 17 years in the Sea Org, I got $500.00 cash and a $135K Freeloader bill.
    I prefer to speak freely than be paid off by a criminal cult.

    • My upvote button just broke from all the clicking.

      • stillgrace2

        Maybe you can get Miss Tia’s Skittles the cat to fix it.

        • Stacy

          She does seem to be pretty handy with a screwdriver. First kitty with opposable thumbs I’ve ever heard tell of. ๐Ÿ˜‰

          • aquaclara

            Hi, sending you a note via an old post. Can I ask you for a favor? Pierrot is doing a test. For the next three days, can you flag on Craig’s List, using the regular way, Tampa and Nashville?
            Much thanks.

            • Stacy

              I didn’t get a chance to get here yesterday. Do you still want me to do this? Also, I’m not sure what the old way of flagging the ads would be. I’m new to doing them. Sorry aqua. I’ll help any way I can, I just need to know how to do so. :/

        • NOLAGirl

          Hail Skittles. ๐Ÿ™‚

        • Eileen

          Don’t anybody tick off Skittles, this blog will be down! All we’ll have left is 2 screws out of 10.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Imagine 5,000 Ex’s all at once demanding a hush pay off, $500,000 a pop.
      (Good morning, Dave. Have a nice day)

      • villagedianne

        The 100th monkey effect, though a hoax, is something I can envision happening in COS.

        • Anonymous

          If that happened it would be a subsequent hoax being used upon the perpetrators of the original hoax, in order to achieve justice.

          Is that a form of as-isness?

          • villagedianne

            huh? Not sure what you just said.

            • Anonymous

              The 100th Monkey effect (which is a hoax) would be 100+ ex-Sea Org members demanding a payoff from the church upon their departure…the larger promises of Scientology (the claims about the states of Clear and OT) are a hoax…thus you have one hoax helping to undo another hoax.

              Add in Hubbard’s concept of “As-Is” which is the complete duplication of a “something” which (according to him) causes it to vanish.

              It was a weak joke…based on two hoaxes and a false premise.

              What could go wrong?

      • There are some 4000 (range) Sea Org Members.
        There are 30,000 Ex Sea Org members (range) that departed since it formed in 1968.

    • deanblair

      I spent 12 years in the Sea Org and got everything you got except the $500.00 cash.

    • Barb Snow

      Does anyone ever pay those free loader bills??

      • Sunny

        Sadly, yes, sometimes they do. Especially in the 80’s and 90’s.
        Wow, that reminds me … when my mom (still in the Sea Org today) was in FOLO (which is now called CLO) in LA, I used to help her billing and collecting freeloader bills. I was about 10 years old when I was working all day helping her make copies of the bills and mailing them out to ex-Sea Org members. That was back in the early 80’s. And people did pay on them. And people paid them off and came back in for services. Sad waste of money.

        • PoisonIvyHerself

          Horrible.

        • aquaclara

          Hi….sending you a note via an old post. Hoping you might be able to help. Pierrot asked for a favor. For the next three days, can you flag Craig’s list, Tampa and Nashville, using the old way-not the quick way? Testing….
          Thank you.

  • I heard an interesting story one time about Led Zepplin’s “Stairway to Heaven.” A friend of the band was Susie Watson Taylor. She got involved in Scn and told the band about it. She was the inspiration for the song. SWT became an executive at the top of Scn and worked at Authors Services Inc., LRH’s literary agency and at Int. Very lively woman.

    • I told you all. Joe just doxed it. It’s pretty big news, actually.

      • Sergeant Pepper

        and I’m buying a stairway to heaven

        • Silence of the Clams

          “does anybody remember laughter”?

          • Techie

            “And the forests will echo with laughter”. But “Sometimes all of our thoughts are misgiven.”

            • Graham

              “There’s a sign on the wall but she wants to be sure
              ‘Cause you know sometimes words have two meanings”

              They sure do. And usually the Flubtard-speak meaning is the opposite of real-speak, so it’s always good to check.

    • She was in The Incredible String Band on and off, looks like: http://www.amoeba.com/music/artist/594771

  • Captain Howdy

    Louis Theroux meets Xenu’s cousin.

    http://youtu.be/tpUtUQ5YC-Q

    • Stacy

      Wow. I guess aliens don’t make good spirit guides. Most “mediums” put on a much better show than this crackpot does. Of course, most “mediums” don’t look like they’re trying to sh*t their pants when they slip into a trance…

      • joan nieman

        Well Stacy, if the Medium did see something, while in a trance, they certainly would s..t their pants.

    • stillgrace2

      Where do you find these funny gems? I had to keep the volume very low (the household is asleep), so I missed most of the alien’s wisdom and Louis’s whispers. I’ll watch it again after I dig out my headphones. Hah!

    • Eivol Ekdal

      Mork calling Orson
      Come in Orson

    • Eivol Ekdal

      Now for the science…
      Episode 123 – The Science and Pseudoscience of Communicating with Aliens
      http://podcast.sjrdesign.net/shownotes_123.php

    • rom661

      He reminds me a little of Hubbard’s BS.

    • Destructor of Worlds

      He reminds me of “Mr Boots”

    • Rita Gregory

      Oh good lord!

  • richelieu jr

    I have to say that I didn’t find Wright ‘extremely harsh’ on Hubbard at all, in fact I found him scrupulously fair to a fault, often to the point of being complimentary.

    • Stacy

      Huh. I thought he was quite fair too, but I didn’t think he was complimentary at all. Just objective. Very neutral.

      • richelieu jr

        He does go on about what a great man he was in his own way, the incredible life he lived and his amazing achievements quite a bit, particularly at the end. I’m not even saying he was wrong, but it’s hard to square that with ‘extreme harshness’…

        Rare is the day where I differ and don’t defer to our man Tony, but hey- It’s whole new year!

        (and what do you wanna bet the big Bunker Announcement s we’re finally going to get to read his book soon?)

        • Tony Ortega

          I’m guess I’m thinking in contrast to Reitman, who didn’t even bring up the details Babalon Working in her book, Inside Scientology. Wright not only gets really down and dirty with the Parsons material, but also quotes Affirmations at length (no one else had previously in a book) and unrelentingly portrays Hubbard as a predatory lunatic. Or maybe you don’t remember.

          • richelieu jr

            How could I forget?

            No doubt that Wright patiently builds his case, fact by damning fact, so perhaps what we are talking about here is merely a question of tone– Wright strikes one of quiet admiration and curiousity at this most recent of ‘American Religions’ and its founder, whilst making a pretty airtight case.

            Reitman, whose book I found more engaged tone-wise, did end on one of the ost depressing notes I’ve yet read, wherein a young woman, second generation Scilon, who is on the net, fully aware of the Xenu talk and the allegations of Miscavige’s violence, basically says, she doesn’t believe it, and if it is true, then it is the fault of those around him because all Scientologists have a duty to end this sort of thing.

            She says that nothing she could ever hear about Hubbard would stain his rep for her because she knows the ‘man who wrote’ the things she’s read would never be bad.

            That sounds like religion, all right. And it makes me sick to my (expletive) stomach…

            • I had to put down the book multiple times, especially at the start because I got too much of a hubbard was a genius tone from wrights book. The same with Jons book too. Now I didn’t get the same tone from Marcs book or Jennas book and they were the first scieno books i read. I have Janets book and inside scientology too read next.

            • villagedianne

              Agreed. As long as Miscavige maintains his iron grip on COS, the idea that someone could reform the church from the inside is a bigger fairy tale than the Xenu story.

              Hubbard wrote some things she found inspiring so he could never be bad. And Bill Cosby is America’s Ideal Father.

        • Stacy

          Yeah, we all were speculating the same thing yesterday. It was a day of seeing “I hope the announcement on the 12th is about Tony’s book,” or variants thereof.
          You have a point about Wright. I still think it was pretty fair-minded on his part, to make those comments about LRH. Because it’s true. If I didn’t know about LRH, and I heard the story about his life (the REAL one), I’d think it was pretty fascinating too. Tubby just ruined it by perpetually lying and thinking he had to make his history larger than life. Idiot.

          • richelieu jr

            Beautiful 1sub!

            “Cโ€™mon and show me, say the bells of old Bowieโ€ฆ”

      • joan nieman

        Good reporting is to remain objective but a little dash of subjective innuendos brings the story to life.

    • Eclipse-girl

      He was and I believe that is the mark of a good journalist.

      I thought Russ Miller’s Bio was an extremely good read. I kept wanting to read the next page, the next chapter.
      Hub-turd didn’t have to lie about his life. It was unusual, perhaps even extraordinary. If he acknowledged at his mistakes, I have to believe people would have welcomed that.

      Instead, he claimed lots of things that weren’t true.
      His grandfather did now have a massive ranch.
      There is no evidence of his being a “blood brother” with a Native American / First Nation tribe.
      He did not research asian philosophies as a teen and seek out lamaseries for spiritual enlightenment
      He did not graduate from college.
      He was not a nuclear physicist.
      etc.

      • richelieu jr

        Quite.

  • John P.

    On the legal front, I want to make sure I understand what’s happening. Clark Carr managed to dodge getting his suit consolidated with the larger NAFC federal case because a) the damages he suffered are so small they’re below the federal threshold, and b) there aren’t enough plaintiffs to have a meaningfully large class.

    Does that mean that Narconon is sufficiently struggling financially and there are so few Narconon employees who “suffered” damages due to having an NAFC certification that it can’t muster up a decent-sized class to go after the NAFC?

    That appears to be the essence of the argument. If so, way to strike a mighty blow against the opposition, Clark! You’ll show ’em that Scientology is not a cult to be trifled with, now that you’ve proved in court that your organization is too small and inept to incur any actual damage!

    Regarding Theroux:

    Heโ€™s very good at going into a subculture and learning its ways on its own terms, and making people so comfortable on camera that they end up looking fairly ridiculous without much apparent effort from Theroux.

    Seriously? You need award-winning writer/documentarians to make Scientologists look ridiculous? In reality, all you need is a couple of Bunkerites and a smartphone with a camera.

    So that tells me Theroux better hit this one out of the park with some really cool camera angles and nice cinematography if his flick is going to stand out versus all the cell phone camera footage of cult loons in action, like my personal favorite, George Baillie doing some of those Jedi OT VIII mind tricks.

    • Richard Grant

      I’m hoping for some surprises here, JP. Smart journalists are always looking for the fresh angle — and not just the photographic kind — and this is clearly an ambitious effort.

      I can’t guess what rabbit Theroux may pull out of his hat; he’s a smarter and wilier journalist than I ever was. But I’d be surprised if this is just a slicker, longer addition to the long-running “Scientologists Acting Crazy on Camera” franchise.

      • John P.

        Actually, I was lifting the sentence from Tony’s text out of context deliberately to get a laugh.

        You’re exactly right: there is a lot more to making an impactful documentary of Scientology than catching them doing crazy stuff.

        For us, the videos of lunacy in action are enough, since most readers here were either “in” long enough or have studied the subject long enough to have a pretty good idea why the culties are acting the way they are given the circumstances. In other words, for us, it’s all about the punch line because we either lived through or we have spent ages coming to understand the set-up for the joke.

        But here’s where the skill and vision of somebody like Theroux can make a difference: to take apart some pieces of craziness and explain why they think it’s a good idea to behave that way, and to do it in a way that fits in an hour two of someone’s time. I’m still something of a newcomer to this world and I’ve been here for just over three years. It would be hard for me to explain some random bit of awfulness to someone not in our community in a reasonable length of time so that they actually get it.

        • Richard Grant

          Sorry, JP, I miscalibrated my J&D-meter this morning.

        • villagedianne

          To someone not knowledgeable on the subject, when one tries to explain the abuses of COS it can be hard to see the forest for the trees. It’s hard to know where to start.

          • NOLAGirl

            I’ve stopped trying to explain it. I recommend a book, or a website or a link to someones story and let the person find their own personal outrage. I’ve found that easier than trying to find one, out of the many, atrocities to point out.

            • villagedianne

              Another thing that makes it hard is that it’s a different set of abuses depending on whether someone is Public, Staff, Sea Org, or Int Base.

    • romanesco

      NAFC wasn’t trying to consolidate Carr’s case. They were just trying to make it a federal case in Oklahoma district court.

    • ze moo

      Carr’s entire argument is IMHO ridiculous. California does not accept NAFC credentials, neither do many other states. Oklahoma is apparently one state that does accept it (cue Genesis, ‘More Fool Me’). How anyone who wants a drug/alcohol counselor job and doesn’t know his/her states requirements for certification would choose NAFC over the only certification their state uses is an exercise in due diligence and gullibility. Any arguments Carr uses in that case may come back to bite the clam shell. The same argument could be used to sue for the ‘medical benefits’ of the purif, auditing and going ‘clear’.

      Unless Carr can prove NAFC wrote down or verbally promised that their certification was accepted by states that do not accept it, Carr is doomed. But that probably is not in the clampires game plan, Carr is just following DM’s game plan. Which may being trying to involve mutual judgements that reduce the total payout that NAFC will eventually receive. Of course the ‘confuse a cat’ and Chewbaca defense come into play too. Suing any part of the clampire requires a very steady lawyer and the ability to laugh at the clampires shenanigans.

      I have never been able to determine how useful an NAFC certification is. Ok, Oklahoma appears to use it, but I can’t find any list on the NAFC web site that shows which states allow that certification. On the face of it, the NAFC certification is fairly close to what New York State requires for it’s drug counselors, but the stories Eric Tenerio told of a NarCONon ‘trainer’ giving out the answers to a NAFC test and the ‘trainers’ use of NarCONon ‘courses’ as the equivalent of college level courses in psychology and sociology makes the whole NAFC certification suspect and perhaps useless.

      NAFC has a ‘trainer’ certification that allows the ‘trainer’ to give the certification test and it appears that the ‘trainer’ also validates the prospective ‘counselors’ education and training in granting the certification. The misuse of this process is one item in the NAFC suit against NarCONon.

      I do wonder if that evidence was used to get NarCONon International and ABLE to pay off and escape some liability in the few cases where they paid off.

      I continue to eat Oreo cookies in Eric Tenerio’s honor and the other NarCONon escapees who have told what they know.

      • NOLAGirl

        “Suing any part of the clampire requires a very steady lawyer and the ability to laugh at the clampires shenanigans.”

        The NAFC definitely has this. ; )

    • villagedianne

      Cool camera angles.

      You mean like in Battlefield Earth?

      • John P.

        Exactly. I was going to make the comparison, but I ended up stalling out trying to remember the exact name of the technique they over-used to such a great degree in Battlefield Earth so I didn’t put it in explicitly. Post New Year’s hangover, probably. Either that or early-onset Alzheimer’s.

        • villagedianne

          Funny, I also tried to remember the name when I posted my reply, but I couldn’t recall it. Great minds you know . . .

          • Jack99

            Dutch angles?

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              That’s it.

    • Missionary Kid

      You had me laughing. Thanks.

  • Dale A.

    Glad to see that Theroux has positioned this one concept early on: “… to make the able more ableโ€ฆ” That’s all one needs to read to know this is not a religion, it’s a facist technology. Scientology has some weird hook that keeps it going. Even Theroux acknowledges he’s been fascinated by it. Fortunately for himself, and for everyone who will benefit from his research and production, his interest has been at a remove.

  • Jon

    “A step-by-step path to spiritual freedom and personal growth, and just POSSIBLY super powersโ€ฆ” Don’t they guarantee super powers?

  • NOLAGirl

    Meh. Clark Carr, you may have won a battle, by no means have you won the war.

    Mr. Keesling, not sure if you’re reading here today but you got this. Not the first time this has happened to you on a case.

    If Therouxs documentary on Co$ is anything like his Westboro doc, it should be great watching him kick back while the clams hang themselves on camera. I am looking forward to it. ๐Ÿ™‚

    • I have only seen one of his shows and I noticed he didnt have to do a thing he just let the white supremists go about their daily lives and make fools of themselves.

      • NOLAGirl

        That seems to be his gift, and it has worked very well for him in the past. I am positively giddy with excitement over all the caek headed our way. ๐Ÿ™‚

      • L. C. Spencer

        And if there were anybody ever in the world who simply needed to be allowed to open their mouths to show themselves to be idiots, it would be the Clams Almighty.

  • Pepsicat

    10 days until our special Underground Bunker announcement at noon on January 12….hmm… a new book on

    Scientology authored by… Tony Ortega???

    • Juicer77

      Happy new year, Cat!

  • Scientology’s Concentration Camp for Its Executives: The Prisoners, Past and Present August 2, 2012, Tony Ortega, Runnin’ Scared, Village Voice

    Angie Blankenship COB Pjt Ops RTC/CMO Int/WDC [No longer in the Sea Org.] [..] She was made WDC Ideal Orgs by DM and then eventually was thrown into the hole with the rest. She blew in recent years, was recovered and isn’t talking.”

    $50k / 6 months. That’s good money to do nothing.

  • Destructor of Worlds
    • 1subgenius

      And no one in authority asks why most all of those windows are shuttered.

      • Jimmy3

        Well, when that photo was taken, it was obviously a beautiful day outside. And you don’t want people getting the wrong idea about “outside”

        • And the Sea Org barracks with bunks three-high are around the corner.

  • 1subgenius

    Ya think the little encounter Theroux had along with Marty is gonna be in the movie?
    Ya think?

    • Jimmy3

      I think.

      • 1subgenius

        Let me know how it was.

        • Jimmy3

          I sure will. Do you think “Stairway to Heaven” will play during the movie or at the credits?

          • 1subgenius

            I dunno, wudda you think?

            • Jimmy3

              I think it’s a stupid title.

            • Destructor of Worlds

              Isn’t the song about reaching a quick high through drugs ?

            • Jimmy3

              Nobody knows what it means. But it’s provocative. Gets the people going.

            • Sherbet

              Good job, you guys. Now start working on the meaning of “Louie, Louie,” “Puff, the Magic Dragon,” and “Lucy in the Sky With Diamonds.” Groovy.

            • Stacy

              DO NOT ruin the magic of Puff the Magic Dragon for me. I beg of you, please leave Puff be!

              http://youtu.be/0FyhTBvLu4w

            • Sherbet

              Not me, Stacy. Deciphering drug references in songs was a pastime in the 1960s and 70s, indulged in by sniggering know-it-alls.

            • Jimmy3

              That must’ve required a lot of work, having to turn on the radio.

            • Sherbet

              Not really, because it was mostly AM radio. One dial, fewer choices. Marconi showed me how to use it.

            • Stacy

              Good. I’d like to keep remembering Puff as a kindly magic dragon who helps an austistic child, not as a drug reference to a hookah or shrooms.

            • Richard Grant

              I think it’s an odd title, not because of the song but because it’s got Theroux’s name in it, suggesting that it’s going to be all about HIS experiences with Scientology, or trying to make a documentary about Scientology. Like “Roger and Me.”

            • Jimmy3

              It does suggest he has or had some involvement in it, doesn’t it.

            • Destructor of Worlds

              http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?14426-Jimmy-Page-of-Led-Zeppelin-and-the-cult

              Excerpt:

              “I came across the old movie of Led Zeppelin’s called ‘The Song Remains
              the Same’ on my hi-def TV, and I noticed that Jimmy Page, the lead
              guitar player seemed to be wearing a Scientology symbol-the two
              triangles and snake-like ‘S’-around his neck during some of the concert
              scenes.”

            • Jack99

              David Mamet called. He wants his… dialogue back.

            • 1subgenius

              “Somebody’s reading your mind
              Damned if you know who it is
              They’re digging through all of your files
              Stealing back your best ideas”

              (Linnell and Flansburgh)

          • Destructor of Worlds

            Or Highway to Hell.

            • 1subgenius

              Now that would be funny if he slips that in.

              Or “Road to Nowhere”

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6uvnR22Xk8

            • Destructor of Worlds

              Or a Ship of Fools

              http://www.lyricsmode.com/lyrics/w/world_party/ship_of_fools.html

              We’re setting sail
              To the place on the map from which no one has ever returned
              Drawn by the promise of the joker and the fool
              By the light of the crosses that burn
              Drawn by the promise of the women and the lace
              And the gold and the cotton and pearls
              It’s the place where they keep all the darkness you need
              You sail away from the light of the world on this trip baby
              Pay, you will pay tomorrow
              You’re gonna pay tomorrow
              You will pay tomorrow
              Save me, save me from tomorrow
              I don’t want to sail with this ship of fools, no no
              Oh, save me, save me from tomorrow
              I don’t want to sail with this ship of fools, no no
              I want to run and hide
              Right now
              Avarice and greed are gonna drive you over the endless sea
              They will leave you drifting in the shallows
              Drowning in the oceans of history
              Travellin’ the world, you’re in search of no good
              But I’m sure you’ll build your Sodom like I knew you would
              Using all the good people for your galley slaves
              As your little boat struggles through the the warning waves
              But you will pay, you will pay tomorrow
              You’re gonna pay tomorrow
              You gonna pay tomorrow
              Save me, save me from tomorrow
              I don’t want to sail with this ship of fools, no
              Oh, save me, save me from tomorrow
              I don’t want to sail with this ship of fools, no
              Where’s it comin’ from or where’s it goin’ to?
              It’s just a, it’s just a ship of fools
              All aboard

            • Observer
            • stillgrace2

              I catch plenty of grief here at home for being a James Taylor fan. That’s because certain people don’t realize he’s really a poet, as well as a musician. Anyway, JT wrote a song that describes what’s going to happen to scientology. Here it is: (I am now ducking under my desk).

              Let It Fall Down

              Sing a song for the wrong
              And the wicked and the strong
              And the sick, as thick as thieves
              For the faceless fear that was never so near
              Too clear to misbelieve

              Well the sea is jumping salty
              And the porpoise has the blues
              My recollection’s faulty
              And I cannot find my shoes
              And my wiring is misfiring
              Due to cigarettes and booze
              I’m behind in my dues
              I just now got the news
              He seems to tell us lies
              And still we will believe him
              Then together he will lead us
              Into darkness, my friends

              Refrain:
              Let it fall down, let it fall down
              Let it all fall down
              Let it fall down, let it fall down
              Let it all fall down

              The man says stand to one side, son
              We got to keep this big ball rolling
              It’s just a question of controlling
              For whom the bell is tolling

              There’ll be suffering and starvation
              In the streets young man
              Just where have you been, old man
              Just look out of your window, man

              Well, it ain’t nobody’s fault but our own
              Still, at least we might could show the good sense
              To know when we’ve been wrong
              And it’s already taken too long
              So we bring it to a stop
              Then we take it from the top
              We let it settle on down softly
              Like your gently falling snow
              Or let it tumble down and topple
              Like the temple long ago
              (Refrain)

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              How good a husband am I? Not to blow my own horn… but I have taken my wife to a live James Taylor concert– TWICE.

              JT surely deserves some kind of award for managing to make Christmas carols sound depressing.

            • stillgrace2

              I never noticed the carols being depressing (?)

            • Stacy

              What’s with that? I can’t make it through a single James Taylor Xmas song because they’re so depressing. They don’t put me in a good mood; they make me feel like country music does (the dog’s just died, the boyfriend left me, the tractor broke down, my truck got repossessed). Very down-in-the-dumps Xmas carols from JT.

            • Techie

              Stacy, the trick with country music is: You just play it backwards! then you get your wife back, and your dog back, you rewind all that time you spent in honkey-tonks, and your Grandma is no longer runned over by a reindeer! Sadly the girls don’t get prettier at closing time but that is the only price you have to pay.

            • stillgrace2

              Is there a JT Christmas album that I don’t know about? Or maybe I’m depressed already and just don’t notice anymore!

            • Sherbet

              I think the JT in question is John Travolta. Remember that smarmy Christmas song he recorded with Olivia Newton-John? Now, that was depressing.

            • stillgrace2

              ohhhhhhh … now I get it. For me, “JT”‘ will always be James Taylor.

            • Sherbet

              As it should be.

            • stillgrace2

              You are “cute” and “funny” as heck. Happy New Year, Sherbet!

            • Sherbet

              Aw, gee, grace. Thank you, and the same to you!

            • Stacy

              Maybe it’s his voice. They just sound depressing to me. Have Yourself a Merry Little Christmas is one of my favorites, and he makes it sound so sad that I just want to cry.

              http://youtu.be/YfuNu8lmPJQ

            • stillgrace2

              My favorite line from a country western song:
              “I have tears in my ears from lying on my back crying over you.”

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              Yup.

            • Mrs. V.

              Love that song!

        • Ella Raitch

          Oh, you two!

          • 1subgenius

            I hate when someone’s paying attention.

            • Richard Grant

              I see nothing. NOTHING.

        • Observer

          “Ambulance to Chez Jimmy3 for immediate transport to the burn unit.”

          • Jimmy3

            It was a well-placed “how was it” trap that I walked right into. It was a good burn, like a shot of Listerine in the morning.

            • 1subgenius

              I told you I was gonna use that.
              It’s not a burn. It’s an homage.

    • I hope they got useful footage from the security cameras of the Nutty Busters slinking into private property.

      • aquaclara

        This alone would make the movie. It just says so much about that churchy experience, doesn’t it?
        Exhausted, overworked, screaming lunatics stalking a former member of the very same organization…..you couldn’t make this stuff up. Although maybe we throw Davey a bone, and help him out with his Karin Pouw rebuttal. He has to do everything himself, you know.

        I’ll start. “The false and heavily concocted lying images portrayed by the bitter, so-called journalist Mr. Theroux had absolutely nothing to do with the highly ecclesiastical nature of our global holy and highly spiritual, ever-expanding church.”

        • The security footage would be good establishing shots.

          I can’t wait to see the encounter in high quality.
          “I’m not talking to you, I’m talking to Marty.”
          “Oh? Mais, say hello to my friend Monsieur Camera.”

        • NOLAGirl

          Aqua, if you had thrown a “moreover” in that paragraph I was going to send someone to check on you and make sure Dan Sherman had not possessed your body. LOL ๐Ÿ™‚

          • Sherbet

            She wants Karin P’s job.

            • NOLAGirl

              They can’t have her. ๐Ÿ˜€ She’d probably be better at it though.

          • aquaclara

            Eh, I was off my game this morning, Nola! That’s exactly what it needed!

  • villagedianne

    For more than 10 years, Louis Theroux has been in the grip of a personal fascination with Scientology.

    Join the club Louis! This gives me validation against friends who thought my obsession with COS was a waste of time.

    • Richard Grant

      I know what you mean, Dianne. That’s probably a big part of why it was so exciting (and gratifying) to discover Tony’s Scientology reporting in the Voice. Here was somebody else — a real New York journalist, an editor no less — who seemed as obsessively interested as I was.

    • BosonStark

      I got the same thing when Wright wrote GOING CLEAR — just a validation that it wasn’t that bizarre to find it meaningful, fascinating and frightening, that a scam of this magnitude could operate, doing what they do against ex-members especially, yet portray themselves as the saviors of civilization with “all the answers.”

      Also, one of Wright’s main themes, that society is influenced by celebrity culture, and that these celebrities have a moral obligation and should be held accountable for their advocacy and support of Scientology, that’s exactly how I feel about it.

  • Sherbet

    “Searching for Sugar Man” and “Man on Wire” were fascinating. I didn’t recognize the Theroux connection. Now I’m really excited about seeing his sci documentary.

    • Tony Ortega

      Searching for Sugar Man and Man on Wire are references to the producer, Simon Chinn, not Theroux.

      • Sherbet

        Oh, shoot. Never mind. And thanks for the correction.

        • Captain Howdy

          Bad Sherbert! Now go sit in the corner and word clear any of Tom Menio’s inauguration speeches.

          • Sherbet

            Oh, sure, like everyone else in the Bunker understood. (Word clearing: “MMmmmMMbbbbbLLmMMbbbMMMM Boston!”)

            • Minion Gayle

              *snort*

            • Jimmy3

              I love how he tries to pander to Boston sports fans, but consistently screws it up. “Varitek splitting the uprights.”, “KJ and Hondo”

            • Sherbet

              Yeah, but he was a good guy as far as politicians go, may he RIP.

            • Jimmy3

              Oh no. I wasn’t aware he passed away. Now I feel like a jerk.

            • Sherbet

              In the fall sometime. Don’t make yourself feel like a jerk. That’s our job.

            • Captain Howdy

              I wanna upvote your comment but I still feel he gave the keys to the city to the corporations and chain stores. What happened to Kenmore Sq. was a travesty.

            • Sherbet

              I think his rationale was that’s where the money is. Chain stores have a vested interest in maintaining their buildings and neighborhood, and that’s good for the community. Anyway, Kenmore Sq. is a congested mess now. They should level the whole place and put up a parking garage for Fenway Park. Did you know Lahey Clinic used to be in Kenmore Square before it moved to Burlington?

              But we digress. Scientology. Louis Theroux. And my misunderstanding that he had something to do with “Sugar Man” and “Wire,” both excellent. I love me some blues.

            • Davka

              The best way to get through Kenmore Square is to not go through Kenmore Square ๐Ÿ™‚

            • Sherbet

              You got it!

            • Eileen

              Actually it was ” MMmmmMMbbbbLLMMmbbbMMM cityofboston!”

            • Sherbet

              LOL, Eileen. I’m sure you heard many of his speeches.

            • Eileen

              Yes, and also spoke to him several times, he went to every neighborhood block party and school fair. He was pretty sharp. He told me about the enormous pressure from corporations developers etc. He said his view was that Boston’s strength was in keeping it a place where real people could live and work. That meant promoting neighborhood development. Referring to the international developers he literally said “screw em”.
              I contacted his office this summer about the Alexandra Hotel, they got back to me the next day. I will miss him as Mayor.

            • Sherbet

              My M-I-L said he showed up at one of her bocce tournaments just outside the city. And it wasn’t an election year, either. He was quite a guy. He was really impressive after the Marathon bombings; checked himself out of the hospital to be where the police were.

  • Sejanus

    Stairway to Heaven is a dopey title IMO.

    Something more tuned to the $cientology specific nonsense would have worked better like…

    Bridge to Nowhere
    $cientology: Religion or Ridiculous
    $cientology. How to stop worrying, while fearing everything
    $cientology. Leave your will at the door.
    $cientology. Life or Lie.
    $cientology. Freedom at a Price.
    $cientology. Religion with a Pricelist
    Pricelist to Perfection
    Perfection at a Price
    $cientology: $oupcans, and $lavery
    $cientology and the Smallprint…

    and so forth.
    Just so many options for a title that would snap and pop

    • kemist

      The Bridge to Total Bankruptcy

  • aquaclara

    Not even 3 hours in, and look at the treasures already accumulating here, on this lovely 2nd day of the new year.
    An awesome countdown from Tony
    Karen, Sunny and Techie telling all
    Tweety treats from Miss Tia and Puddy Tat (aka Skittles)
    JP opining wisely
    TruthIwant shooping masterfully (it’s a keeper)
    Air guitars and a musical interlude from the pit crew of Dodo, Captain Howdy, THDNE and others
    Alonzo laughing and teasing
    Panopea reimagining lyrics brilliantly
    MK listing
    legal stuff, counting stuff
    Craigs List stuff to pop down
    and so much more.
    Theroux coming soon.

    A shout out to those sitting on the fence – welcome! If you had any doubt at all that this year could be YOUR BEST YEAR, this should be enough to convince you to take that big step out. We look forward to seeing you here, too. 2015 has just begun. Why wait any longer?

  • villagedianne

    If COS ceases to exist, (which still doesn’t look like it will happen anytime soon) do the paid off ex’es still have to keep quiet?

    • BosonStark

      “When the history of this planet is finally told, it will be a tale of a determined few who rose up against overwhelming odds and stood firm for the rights of man. It will be a tale of exulted triumph that forever changed the destiny of Earth.”

      When the history of this planet is finally told, Tom Cruise will probably be there to say, “I know the history of this planet — you don’t.”

      The operative word in this inspirational declaration as heard in Karen’s
      video is “few.” There will always be a few, so the paid-off exes will
      have to keep quiet. The few will torture them if they don’t, because they will be part of the exulted triumph that forever changed the destiny of Earth. And the rest of you will just SCOHB.

  • Science Doc

    Marty made some strange comment about this being the only serious film on Scientology. I’m going to guess that Theroux is approaching the subject with a degree of respect but some of that respect may be left on the floor of the editing room. Most people are going to laugh at auditing and it won’t matter whether it’s an indie or Flag. Just my guess.

    • Richard Grant

      Doc! Thank you for confirming that comment by Marty. I was going to mention it in an earlier comment, but when I checked his blog to get the wording right, I found that he has edited it, somewhat awkwardly, to refer to “production companies” in the plural.

      My memory is that his original post said something like, “the first serious professional production” or something like that. It was strange, as you say, because it seemed to slight the parallel HBO project. Perhaps Marty was overexcited after being ambushed (again) in LA, and committed an unintended faux pas.

  • Minion Gayle

    “10 days until our special Underground Bunker announcement at noon on January 12”

    Argh! I hate it when Tony does that. It plays havoc on my fingernails.

    • chukicita

      But our proprietor never does it without good reason. It’s a heads up to start making popcorn now, so you will have enough!

      • NOLAGirl

        Our popcorn bill is about to go through the roof. (F5) ๐Ÿ™‚

  • L. C. Spencer

    For all of us who are impatient to see these very promising films, may I suggest an older documentary while we wait: if you haven’t seen the French tv special One Day One Destiny on Tom Cruise, you really should. Not a gossipy ET-type story at all, it’s an indepth look at how the Cherch ensnared Cruise, how they then groomed and manipulated him, and what they eventually got from him. It’s framed around telling the background story of why he really won that Freedom Medal of Valor, and it’s compellingly told (and sad). A few errors that longtime watchers will catch, but overall it’s solid. Marc and Bruce are among the former insiders interviewed for it. It’s on YouTube in French but with English subtitles, 81 minutes, well worth it IMO:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OspkMW6jEOg

    • Annabelle

      Yea Tom, let’s “Clean this place up.”

    • Stacy

      Thanks L.C. You just gave me my evening’s entertainment. I’m looking forward to watching it.

      I’m guessing my 3 years of French a lifetime ago in high school won’t be very helpful, so thank Xenu for those subtitles!

      • Frodis73

        Lol, I am watching now and my 3 yrs are doing nothing for me!

      • L. C. Spencer

        It’s very easy to watch, no strain at all! Sometimes you can even hear the original English underneath the French dubbing of the Anglophone interviewees.

        I really love the way they began with the Rona Barrett interview and expanded from there. That interview is amazing. If anybody wants to see the whole thing of that, it’s online as well:

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0uy8oiRSI8

      • flyonthewall

        Hey our own Skip Press is in it at the 19:49 mark!

    • kemist

      Nice.

      French being my mother tongue will be useful for once.

    • Frodis73

      Thanks for posting,this was pretty damn good. Too bad the American press doesn’t have the balls to do something like this. They are getting better though. I have a feeling TC is going to be in the spotlight this year in a way he really doesn’t like. ๐Ÿ˜€ Popcorn!

      • L. C. Spencer

        It is pretty great, isn’t it? Considering that they chose the celebrity angle as their subject, I found it especially hard-hitting. I appreciate it when journalists work hard enough to not just get their facts right, but to delve into WHY people do things. That Scn found Cruise’s ruin impeccably is irrefutable, and the way the story is told gives so much enlightenment as to Scn’s motives and MO even without spending a lot of time on background or exposition. Extremely well done.

        • Frodis73

          Yes, I agree with everything you wrote! I am going to bookmark it and point it out to his followers next time I have a run in.

        • Tracy Schmitz

          what exactly was/is cruise’s “ruin” to get involved in this nutty cult in the first place again? born handsome, became a super huge movie star very quick, became filthy rich very quick, doing something he loves/loved to do, had a wife ALL BEFORE HE HAD EVER HEAD OF FRICKING SCAM-LOGY! oh wait, let me think of what his alleged “ruin” was his childhood and learning disability right?
          he had a angry verbally (physical as well?) abusive father? boo hoo! many have fathers who were far far worse, many have had fathers they never even knew! he STILL had the love of his mother and his sisters and being that his father left them when he was still pretty young, um, wasn’t that a GOOD thing? in the long run?! he had a learning disorder,dyslexia, or misdiagnosed or whatever the story is ( i can’t keep the story straight) another boo hoo! countless kids have had the same thing if not worse, some kids have no education or bad education, others were born with SEVERE learning disabilities or autism or retardation, etcetera… nevertheless cruise was able to finish high school, had friends and girlfriends so he wasn’t a outcast or lonely despite his having gone to so many schools growing up and moving around constantly.. i think pretty much any of us would trade in our grade school and high school problems if they were the same as cruise’s for what his life ended up being a handsome world wide super huge star with wealth and doing what he loves..
          so the question remains “why” was he so “ruined?” what was his “ruin”… heck, if this is all that happened to cruise in his younger life, i can think of plenty who had worse and should be involved in 10 cults if that was the case!..

          • L. C. Spencer

            Whoa, there. I think you misunderstand what my comment meant. Personally, I think Tom Cruise has been ruined (to the extent that he has) by nothing but Scientology. However, that’s not what the cult means when when it talks about someone’s “ruin.” This is a specific piece of Scientology vocabulary that’s crucial to how they control people.

            To “find someone’s ruin” means to find out what their most vulnerable emotional spot is, what deepest inner trouble you can touch on to manipulate their feelings. Then you use this to recruit them into cult by saying “Scientology can help you with that” or carefully prepared propaganda on the subject. It can also be used to keep members enmeshed in the cult if they may be experience doubts, or to draw them in further. I couldn’t find the LRH citation I was looking for on it, but Jonny Jacobsen describes the process here:

            http://infinitecomplacency.blogspot.com/2009/08/15-roger-gonnet-apostate-i.html

            There is no doubt at all that Tom Cruise is in as deep as he is because they so expertly found his ruin and exploited it and continue to do so. That is why I recommend the excellent French documentary: it emphasizes how Scientology goes about this and gains profound control over people. It has nothing to do with how damaged people are by their past (and many people do in fact become alcoholics or have miserable lives due to family problems, so that’s not for us to quantify). In fact I did not say (and do not believe) that people join cults because they are damaged.

            It has to do with the fact that everybody has something inside them, some regret or some unfulfilled longing, that can be played upon if the player is skillful enough. And Scn is laughably clumsily at many things, but they are experts at playing upon a person’s ruin.

            • Tracy Schmitz

              i understand what you meant ( and yes, i’ve seen the french documentary before)… however, the thing is you mentioned everyone’s including cruise’s “ruin” as something missing, some kind of unfilled longing, some regret, etcetera… WELL all of those things are negatives yes? and they are brought on my a person’s life and experiences, whether growing up and/or throughout their adulthood… our experiences with everything and everyone shape our attitudes and actions and feelings.. so what i was trying to say based on ALL we know about cruise and his past and his present, once again what could possibly be his “ruin” something that he longs for, regret, etcetera?…. regret he didn’t have a real and good father? longing for more love? what?
              the fact that he’s been involve in this cult since 1987! and STILL at 52 years old about to be 53 in 2015, has some “ruin” and therefore NEEDS this cult is mindblowing and so odd! what in the world could possibly be missing from his life? i could see young people having “issues/ruins” but for a famous, successful, handsome, rich man doing something he loves for a living and having had great fortune very quickly and for a long time still involved in this defies belief to me?… hubbard’s targets for celebrities it is well known was if they couldnt’ get the HUGE stars (his list included walt disney and greta garbo among others) then try to get those who were “trying to make it” or “desperate has beens” cruise was never ever either!…something is very wrong in cruise land if with all he has he still has “ruin”!…and that since 1987 with his “ruin” he STILL THINKS scientology works and works for him?! kind of like the person who has a therapist for decades and still not any better? but believes STILL this is the right way to go?!..

            • L. C. Spencer

              Yes, he still has the same ruin. He proved that in his custody deposition, in which he admitted that Katie wanted to get Suri away from Scn, and talked about how he couldn’t see Suri because he was busy but protested that he was a good father because he “paid for” his child. And why should we be surprised that he’s not doing any better? He wouldn’t be, because Scientology is a crock. If he’d gone for a little decent therapy, he might have had a chance of letting go of some of those issues.

              Many, many highly successful people are a mess personally. The best example of that is in Tom’s own native environment — Hollywood. How many talented, bright stars drink or drug themselves into oblivion, commit suicide, or go through divorce after divorce? Having looks, talent and money doesn’t bestow happiness.

              The irony in Tom Cruise’s case is that even though he had issues, he could have had an amazingly happy and balanced life if not for Scientology. He was a functional, basically normal human being; there was nothing wrong with him that couldn’t have been eased by a happy family life and a circle of good friends. Scientology zeroed in on his problems and made them worse, not better. Scientology is anti-therapy.

              Religion is supposed to bring out the best in a person. Time after time we see Scientology bringing out the worst in its followers.

            • Tracy Schmitz

              good post.. like i’ve posted before… cruise had the world at his feet EVEN BEFORE he had ever heard of scientology! surely he had to at the time before he got involved realize how lucky he was! as far as a happy family life, well the father was a “piece of work” supposedly but he had his very loving mother and sisters (who to this day he calls his best friends) and he DID have friends and girlfriends and so on throughout his formative years? so how and why in the world did he at the time when he was getting involved in this (by the way i believe with all my heart it was mimi roger’s assigned mission to get him involved and marriage was the byproduct before the mission!) still have issues that he felt and thought needed to be addressed so badly? nothing that couldn’t have been “worked out” by indeed having his family and close friends? nothing that couldn’t have been worked out by buying a 10 dollar self help book?
              and once again, i think most if not all people would think cruise became super famous, super successful, super rich, super fast! what could possibly have been so problematic that he needed to get involved and remain there? anyone else i think would think everything and life was great! “i’m handsome a movie star filthy rich doing what i love, i have a loving mother and sisters and friends, and so on!
              one wonders what the hell would he have done if he had failed as a actor? or it took him 10 to 20 years to “make it” and even then he was a working actor nobody? what would he have done to address any issues? and like i’ve said “what issues did or could he have that were so bad in the first darn place?”!… he had to realize way back then and now plenty countless of people have had far worse trauma in their lives and you don’t see them NEEDING a cult! you don’t see them willing to give up everything and anything and anyone for it!
              whatever long ago issues or trauma he had hasn’t been wiped out by the colossal overwhelming success of his? really? tell that to some adult who was REALLY abused, was beyond alone in childhood and adulthood and now as a adult barely getting by.. you don’t see them needing or falling for some cult! and what about the people who had these lives who ARE STILL HAPPY and successful adults? they didn’t and don’t need a cult either! in the conclusion there is REALLY NO logical or good reason that cruise should have got involved in the first place and more importantly STILL BE INVOLVED DECADES, DECADES?! later..

  • Observer

    I was laughing my head off at the ultra-dramatic Scientology clips in Jeff and Karen’s video, especially Captain Miscavige’s hilarious delivery of the lines lies about the extinction of psychiatry. Oh, how I’d love to see one of his speeches given the MST3K or Rifftrax treatment! Alas, I had to settle for a shoop.

    I’ve gotta say, “hallelujah” is one word I never expected to hear emerge from Miscavige’s filthy mouth.

    EDIT: Note to Captain Miscavige: it’s either “arise” or “rise up.” “Arise up” is redundant and sounds like something a 10th-grade dropout would … oh, never mind.

    refresh

    • Sherbet

      I’m asking anyone who was “in” at the time DM made that speech: Was there eye-rolling going on, or did people actually believe DM’s overinflated claims?

      • Techie

        Sure I believed, it flows over you like an exhilarating rush of sensational overload. Besides, what is there to believe or disbelieve? No specifics or details. Just “we’re doing great works.”They were so proud of closing the “psych institutions” though really it is hard to make any actual connection between CCHR and any of the closings in real life. However, a lot of mental hospitals did close in the 70s and 80s, with the promise that “out-patient” facilities of some kind would take up the slack. There were real abuses in some of those institutions and some did close for good reason. But now the former inmates, and others who would have been inmates, are living in filth on the streets. Is that the “incredible progress” you meant to brag about, Dave? I don’t see CCHR or any part of Scientology doing anything for the homeless or the insane. They are downstat DBs and can’t even buy their own lunch, let alone a course in Scientology. Today it makes me sick to think about, but back when I was a tech for those extravagant shows I lapped it all up.

        • Sherbet

          Cognitive dissonance. Or head in the sand. Or suspension of disbelief. You rode the crest of enthusiasm, and it was your job to do so. Your post is excellent.

        • 0tessa

          I agree with you in sofar that I wouldn’t describe mental patients as ‘DBs’, if at least you mean by that Hubbard’s concept of ‘Degraded Beings’.

          • Techie

            The ratio of “Big Beings” to “Degraded Beings” is according to Hubbard 18 to 1. So in any group of humans most are DB by Dave’s lights. Certainly he would only name himself and maybe Tom Cruise as “Big Beings.” It is the height of hypocrisy for Dave to blather about “a civilization without criminals, insanity or war” when his organization does nothing about any of these, and his greatest accomplishment in the field is to try to shut down those who are actually trying to do something about it.

            • 0tessa

              Got it.

            • flyonthewall

              I like how Karen put it in the video I linked below. It’s the same one the clip is pulled from in her video posted today. At approx 2min mark she talks about illegal pc’s and how CoS won’t touch people who have been in psych institutions. So they want to eradicate psychiatry but they won’t touch mentally ill people? Except maybe to put them in death camps. If Hubbard did end up getting his own country like he tried to do in Rhodesia and elsewhere that is exactly what he would of done to the insane and other undesirables.

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLkGbLNaaTg

          • L. C. Spencer

            DB’s from a Scientology point of view. That is certainly how they regard people with mental illness.

            • Lady Squash

              Or no money.

        • aquaclara

          Just guessing, but I think your funny bone must have saved you from utter desperation.
          ๐Ÿ™‚ thank heavens.

        • April

          My state Department of Corrections’s prison system has been the largest provider of mental health services in the state since at least the mid-2000’s. Not only are the severely and chronically mentally ill now on the streets, they’re also now filling the prison system. The state department that’s responsible for outpatient mental health treatment, group homes and other types of assisted living for the mentally ill saw its budget decrease by 66% over the same time period that the Dept. of Corrections’ budget increased by 300%.

        • Lady Squash

          I feel your pain. I really do. What was really going on was disgusting. We didn’t know. It must be a little similar to Germans waking up after WWII and saying: What there were concentration camps?
          I mean no disrespect to Holocaust survivors. I don’t mean to compare the level of atrocity only the level of broad disinformation being disseminated for self-serving evil purposes–power and money–on the coattails of doing good. Disgusting!

      • Lady Squash

        Good question. The answer is complex. 1. Scientologists are watched at events. I was told once that if you didn’t stand and clap when you were supposed to, notes were made. Staff are on the lookout for dissident behavior. So eyes don’t roll generally. 2. Scientologists are trained not to question and consequently not to think.
        When I was starting to question, I went to an event and chose an out of the way place to sit. I didn’t stand, I didn’t clap and I took notes. Later I tried to verify the “facts” I had heard. I couldn’t. It was frustrating. But still, I rationalized. My thinking went like this: The Church has gone bonkers, but the Tech is still valuable.

        • Sherbet

          Thanks, Lady. It IS complex. I’m thinking of all the tales I heard about the early colonists (I’m in New England) worshipping at their churches. Someone would walk the aisles with a long pole with a knob on the end and knock anyone who was dozing or not showing proper respect. Scientology has gone one better on the pole: staff making reports.

          • Lady Squash

            Plus the whole painful “ethics” walk…conditions, interrogations, disconnection, coerced donations. So much love.

    • Techie

      He has no idea what “Hallelujah” really means. The “masses rise up” – Marxism? Plus raining fire from heaven – 1 Kings 18:38, if it happened in the present day the fire from heaven would rain down on the SuperPower Building. That’s where they worship Baal these days. A “hallelujah moment”? He wouldn’t know one if it hit him. But no use trying to make sense out of it, it does not make sense. Great shoop Observer.

    • chukicita

      I remember when that vid was leaked – thinking that it was basically a call to violence against mental health professionals and should put Scientology on the map as a hate group.

    • Maybe he meant that their stat of things gone sour is expanding? “Iry’s up!”

    • BosonStark

      On one hand Scientology wants their followers to be believe that people will become clams because of their success and “abilities,” and that civilization will be transformed as a consequence.

      The other and even more ludicrous side is that, magickally, the collapse of psychiatry will coincide with the global ascendance of Scientology in government, business, education, the arts, and preventive health care. All this from a nutter who flunked out of college, chain smoked and didn’t make it to 75.

    • Stacy

      School that dropout, Obs!

      Wonderful shoop!

    • That’s a Low Blow, Obs.
      Almost as low as Davy standing on tippy toes ๐Ÿ™‚

    • Captain Howdy

      Anytime in the past that I’ve mentioned my interest in scientology to any mental health or medical professional it has usually elicited a chuckle, rolling of the eyes and something like “They’re still around?”.

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    • allioops

      i believe the word: “Hallelujah!” is Hebrew meaning” Praise to G-d. I myself, feel Praise to G-d is always in order; but not ever from the mouths of the evil-satanic; miscaviage.

  • Shelly Britt Corrias

    Coffee Tea or Glee
    Daybreak in The Bunker with
    Scamatology

  • valshifter

    “The executives were locked up”……. the church is guilty of False Imprisonment this is a lawsuit that anyone that has been in the Hole can win.

    False Imprisonment
    The illegal confinement of one individual against his or her will by another individual in such a manner as to violate the confined individual’s right to be free from restraint of movement.

    • ze moo

      That problem has been dealt with. If you don’t want to go to the HOLE, you are an SP and must take specific steps to escape. Anyone who goes to the RPF, volunteers and ‘subjects themselves to voluntary discipline’. Just like the way Catholics send bad clergy to some ‘retreat’. The FBI contemplated raiding RPF locations and the HOLE, but pulled back when some exs explained what a mistake that would be. All the prisoners would claim to be there of their own free will. Prison of Belief, Shutters on the Mind, none of these titles really define the mindf*ck that Clamatology causes.

      If Laura DeCrescenzo can sue, maybe some executive who has been in the hole for years can do the same. It would be nice to see.

  • Have any Sea Org members, when given their freeloader bill, given the cult back a bill for all the slave labor performed? They should. We should have a form for them made up in the Bunker!

  • Stairway To Teegeeack would have been a better title. ๐Ÿ™

  • BosonStark

    I hope that if Theroux goes on about “making the able more able” BS line of Sciloontology, he mentions that was only Plan B. The original plan was for Dianutty to cure you of practically everything, freeing you of your reactive mind, giving you a perfect memory and unleashing unlimited volcanic powerz. (To be continued in the OT series, along with Body Thetan cluster plucking.)

  • Panopea Abrupta

    Quote from LilFiveOne’s last deposition (Bent Corydon v ASI 1990):

    Question–“Mr. Miscavige, Do you have a high-school education?”

    David Miscavige’s answer–“I don’t understand what that question means.”

    While DM’s purpose in the deposition quoted from was obviously obfuscation and obstruction of justice
    and he understood exactly what he was doing here,
    I have a feeling that 2015 will be the year he gets schooled.

    Minor Pyrrhic victories such as Carr’s merely defer the inevitable.
    The battle for public respectability is long lost.
    Louis Theroux and Alec Gibney will probably succeed in deepening the horror
    and asking the hard questions the IRS and FBI have shirked.
    They may well help in shifting the public image from one of risible UFO cult replete with couch-hoppers
    to a more accurate perception of racketeering that includes emotional blackmail, criminal fraud and slave exploitation.

    Can an enforced trip to college for some higher education be that far behind?
    I believe Bubba’s students speak extremely highly of his lectures.

    • Ruby

      Question–“Mr. Miscavige, Do you have a high-school education?”

      David Miscavige’s answer–“I don’t understand what that question means.”

      ‘Nuf said…

  • 0tessa

    Hubbard’s Mental Science or, abusively called ‘Scientology’, claims to make the able more able.
    Well, when we look at Hubbard himself at the beginning of his research and development and compare that with how he was at the end of his life, the conclusion can only be that it did not work, assuming that Hubbard was ‘able’ to begin with. Which I doubt. In that case he did also not succeed in making the unable more able.
    Hubbard started with psychotropic drugs and he ended with them. In the meantime he invented ‘body thetans’, his words for demons, and his mental science is a new form of exorcism. But even this exorcism did not work, because Hubbard wanted to have a final electroshock to get rid of them by getting rid of himself.
    Not what you would call a success story, the life of Hubbard.

  • Ruby

    Once again, a great video by Karen and Jeff. Thank you.
    The part at the end with Debbie is very sobering. I wish this was something that all of those still in would actually watch. And oh geez, hearing David Miscavige speak and those flashing graphics…it makes me realize how smart I was to always volunteer for food setup during one of those events. I never could stand watching them and seeing this little snippet reminds me why. I do not see how anyone can sit thru 2 hours of that!

  • Science Doc

    Don’t we have something coming out in a Florida publication in the next few days? The indie who was a decades long accountant for church members?

  • Spackle Motion

    “Buying a Stairway to Heaven” is a better title, but it’s easy to see why he left off the words “buying a”. I did a quick recall of the lyrics to the Zep song (which is a permanent ear worm) and realized how the words resemble Scientology. Interesting choice.

    • ze moo

      As the steps on the ‘stairway to heaven’ can be rescinded or pulled from under you at any moment for any reason, one only temporarily ‘rents’ the stairs. I can’t wait to see how many stay around for GAT 3.

    • flyonthewall

      Sometimes I doubt your commitment to Spackle Motion

  • Norbie Cohl

    If Scientology is so criminal, why do they always win before the courts?

    • Jimmy3

      If they’ve never won a case presented to a jury, why is your troll game so weak?

    • Stacy

      If you’ve been told they have always won, you’ve been lied to. They’ve lost many court cases.

      Leave while you can Norbie. Life is good on the outside. Happy. Free. No sec checks. Consorting with whomever you feel like consorting with. Total freedom, the real kind, not the Hubbard lie. Just blow!

    • kemist

      If Scientology the Mafia is so criminal, why do they always win before the courts ?

      • Jimmy3

        My favorite scene from Godfather II is when they fly Frankie Pants’ brother in from Sicily for the Senate committee hearing. Doesn’t speak a lick of English, but his presence alone is enough for Frank to change his mind about testifying against the Corleones.

        This committee owes us an apology, Senator! This committee owes an apology!

    • Observer

      You’re not nearly nasty enough for Scientology. Why don’t you come out here where your life is truly your own?

    • NOLAGirl

      Your knowingness of legal proceedings is weak.

      • flyonthewall

        knowingness? Stop making up words NOLA, only crazies and 3rd stage syphillics do that!

        • NOLAGirl

          Sage advice from my legal counsel. ๐Ÿ˜€

    • stillgrace2

      Ooh, get just a little bit closer to your screen please. Thank you! (F5)

    • Mrs. V.

      Your logic is faulty.

    • Lucille Austero

      Norbie – this is a fantastic question. To find the answer, go to http://www.amibrainwashedbyamassivescamcult..com

      • Jimmy3

        Link is broken. You have two dots before the com. But I checked it out and it’s a great site.

        • Lucille Austero

          *snort*

    • 0tessa

      I would ask you: why do they settle so much (and pay up) our of court?
      Have you any idea how money has been paid in the history of Scientology …?
      Of course, you don’t.

    • flyonthewall

      Norbie, as your lawyer I would advise you to pull your head out of your butt. That’ll be $5,000 plz. Thank you, you’re welcome. Was that good NOLA?

      • NOLAGirl

        Perfection. ๐Ÿ™‚

    • nottrue

      ….

      • noseinabk

        Exactly! Have any other cults spent so much and had so many legal battles?

      • Sherbet

        Man! Is the Gummint a slow learner or what…

      • Sweet memories for L. Ron when his wife was strip-searched in that Kentucky prison.

    • Captain Howdy

      “Yawn”.. I fart in your general direction..you make me wanna take a nap.

      • Sherbet

        Take one for me. I’m stuck at work.

        • Captain Howdy

          No problem.

    • If Scientology is winning so much why are you posting inane tripe on a message board instead of manning the local org handling all the new members?
      And why is the leader so stunted and tiny?

    • Norbie your carefully prepared and in depth argument about the greatness of Scientology has caused me to see the error of my ways. Thank you.
      NOT.

    • HillieOnTheBeach

      “always”?

      Norbie has an M/U! Norbie has an M/U!

    • You mean in France? Germany? The Larry Wollersheim Case? Julie Christofferson in Portland?

    • Frodis73

      Keep telling yourself that…and ignore the thousands of court documents that prove otherwise. Newsflash: They are lying to you…you are in your own little North Korea with your very own Lil Dear Leader.

    • flyonthewall

      I am a very good lawyer. I am looking out for your best interests Norbie. It would be wise for you to heed my advise.

    • Artoo45

      Norbert, Norbert, Norbert. Sweet, hypnotized, indoctrinated, woefully unprepared Norbert. Is that all you brought with you? The “We Never Lost A Court Case” lie? Look in your ammo bag and reload with something more shattery and confronty. Show some spine man, you’re in the Bunker!

    • As in the case of Debbie Cook? That was a real win for the CoS!

    • Graham

      “Not one thin dime for Wollersheim.” Google it Norbie. I dare you.

    • madame duran

      If Scientology is so powerful and expansive, why does the field of psychiatry still exist (and is not thoroughly obliterated as David Miscavige claimed)?

      • BosonStark

        Once the evil psychs are out of the way…wait, it’s going to be an epic battle requiring much more money and thousands of new ideal orgs. Only then can the real fundraising begin towards total and standard planetary salvage, where’s Shelly, Amen.

    • aquaclara

      Hi, Norbie,
      Happy New Year. You’ve got a lot of mail here, which is so nice. I sincerely hope you take a moment and read each of these notes. Please believe that we have your best interests at heart. Several of the writers are people who were once in, and are now happy and relieved to be out. One of the first things they say is that they had no idea there was so much that had happened with Scientology until they were able to get out and read on their own. Maybe you will find this, too.

      I hope you had a good holiday. I look forward to hearing from you one day, when you are finally free to speak your own mind, read your own mail, shop on your own, and spend your time as you wish. I promise to give you some good recipes for fudge brownies and homemade apple pie.

      Good luck to you.

      PS Scientology is losing quite a bit in the courts. Belgium, France and Holland are all a sinking ship for Scientology, and the orgs all over the world are empty.

      • Lucille Austero

        What a great post, Aqua. I hope Norbie does come back and read.

  • Panopea Abrupta

    Old Norbie Cohl was a silly sad troll
    And a silly sad troll was he.
    He called out lies and porky pies
    And he called for his fiddlers three.

    Every fiddler he had a fiddle,
    And a very fine fiddle had he;
    Oh there’s none so rare, as can compare
    With Norbie Cohl and his fiddlers three

    • Missionary Kid

      Troll-la-la-la-la.

  • HTC

    OT gay marriage is now legal in my fine state of Florida. This makes me very happy for two reasons. 1. It’s the right thing to do, and 2. this is a huge failure for hypocrite and twice divorced Pam Bondi who has been steadfastly working against this.

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      I second!!!

    • Frodis73

      Cheers! And a fine ‘bite me’ to Ms. Bondi.

    • L. C. Spencer

      HA! Nice to know I wasn’t the only person who instantly thought “take that, Pam Bondi.” Lord, she is insufferable. Civil rights take a step forward AND Miss Blonde Ambition has a bad day? That there is a “hallelujah moment.”

  • Panopea Abrupta

    Red-X Red-X Red-X

    DM – tut tut!
    What happened to being cause over the MEST universe?

    The good old BBC is coming after you again.
    After Tommy D’s unsuccessful attempt to use exploding tomatoes to deflect
    the world’s attention from your crimes, what will it be this time?

    I think you are in zugzwang
    (word-clear that, you mong –
    Hint: it is useful in end-game analysis.)
    [and thank you, Mark – I never thought I would see the word on this site]

    Your move, LilFiveOne, heh heh!

    Wipe ’em out here.
    Let’s do ourselves a favour and pay a little more attention to JJ in Boston
    and Tony “will spam for food” Chen in Sacramento
    via the Regional tab:

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-Kvg78kCcvo5gL7UfPcmhmbsagTNtdj0y2LAiHVFrCU/pubhtml#

    Is DM an equal opportunity vampire or is he a lymphomaniac ?

    ty Obs

    • Mark

      I had to look “Zugzwang” up myself before putting it in the ‘Curse of the Duggans’ shoop; I only used it because “Jahrhundertwende” and “Fichtendickichten” were too long ๐Ÿ™‚

    • Robert Eckert
      • Pierrot

        The Atlanta marriage is from our friend general whatever from NOI (same tel#),
        The Vancouver one is fixed, thanks again for watching over us!

  • Ian

    Theroux’s genius is that he does take the claims of the groups he profiles seriously. He definitely allows them to hang themselves, but I do think he has a genuine human feeling for the people involved. He consistently avoids treating his subjects as weird ‘others’. And I think the results are more powerful than hatchet-job documentaries that are more obviously ideological. So I am very much looking forward to the film.

  • Sherbet

    Has anyone seen Cece in the Bunker lately?

    • Jimmy3

      Nope.

      • Sherbet

        OK…

        • Jimmy3

          That was inappropriate, I’m sorry. I was referring to the troll below. Edited, and I’ll show myself out for now. Have a good day, Bunker.

          • Sherbet

            No, stay put, Jimmy. How are you going to learn manners if you don’t hang with us? We’re always on our best behavior here in the Bunker.

            • Artoo45

              Where is Eddie Haskell when we really need him? He would say something along these lines: Why, yes we are Mrs. Sherbet. Are those new pearls? And that new dress is quite stunning. James and I were just commenting on it, weren’t we James?

            • Sherbet

              Funny, Artoo! You brought me back 50+ years. And, yes, the pearls are new. Thank you for noticing, Eddie.

            • Artoo45

              You’re so very welcome Mrs. Sherbet. (bows obsequiously and smirks behind back)

    • Ruby

      Saw her over at Rinder’s yesterday.

      • Sherbet

        Good. I’m glad to hear it, Ruby.

    • nottrue

      She replied to my post yesterday about the college giving personality tests

  • nottrue
    • Sarah James

      Dermot shows no respect for loss of life in scientology. In another video Zubrina screams her head off which made me think these turds are gearing up for Miss Bloody Butt part 2.

    • Ardent

      What a jackanapes Dermot is. God help us.

    • Ardent

      …And the longer you watch the more annoying and cretinous he becomes.

    • Ardent

      Imagine how many pointless photos of passers-by and other random people the stupid cult has! Bloody waste of time.

  • Clark Carr probably wants the trial back in L.A. so they can round up the few hundred remaining $cientologists and put on protests downtown, like the “Not One Thin Dime” protests against Wollersheim years ago. We know how that ultimately turned out. I can see Clark, beaten, dejected, dying of body thetanosis, gagging to death in a bag behind Tom Solari’s place. Call it a vision.

    • Mark Foster

      Skip, remote-viewing the future AGAIN…Show-off!

      • Merde! I am not intimidate by your puny nasty. Look, I can go past, too. I see a very fat once redheaded cult leader staggering around a ranch in Creston, CA screaming at dive-bombing body thetans: “Stop, stop! Pat, Pat, make them stop! They do not take the Commodore’s orders! Arrgggghhhh! Pat!”

  • i-Betty

    Ireland honours those who have died at scientology’s hand with a simple and beautiful memorial outside the Dublin mission.

    http://youtu.be/ZM9s2vSR7vQ

    • Dolly Jones

      Did the police get them to move across the road?

      • i-Betty

        Yes. The Dublin mission has taken out a temporary injunction which prevents both Pete Griffiths and John McGhee AND ANYONE WHO ASSOCIATES WITH THEM stepping foot in Abbey Street. This currently runs until Monday.

        And, yes, the ‘anyone who associates with them’ applies to anyone who associates with them: me, you, us, their kids, colleagues.

        Pete and John are in court on Monday to fight this. It is monstrously unfair in its wording. Sam was with them the other day and they literally threw a copy of the injunction at her and said “you’ve been served”, and, believe it or not, the wording meant that they could do that. Sam will be attending court, also.

        I will keep you posted.

        • Dolly Jones

          WOW. That’s just mad Betty. Good luck to them both.

        • Graham

          “The Dublin mission has taken out a temporary injunction”. Another opportunity for the Streisand Effect to weave its magic?

          • Dolly Jones

            Graham… you always get me to go look stuff up. hehe. Least this time I know what you are talking about ๐Ÿ˜‰

        • aquaclara

          That’s terrible. Thanks for keeping us updated. I wish them much Irish luck to add to theirs….

        • chukicita

          That verbiage reminds me of the Clearwater injunction.

        • NOLAGirl

          Ugh. That makes me sick. Please send my love to them. Wishing them much luck in court. Hope the court calls it what it is. Bulls**t!

          • i-Betty

            I will, thanks love ๐Ÿ™‚

          • John McGhee

            Thanks, Nola

            • NOLAGirl

              The gall of these people astounds me. Best of luck to you all. Please keep us updated and let us know if there is anything we can do to help.

        • Frodis73

          Wtf? How in Xenu’s name did they get away with this? I hope this gets thrown out Monday…please keep us posted. Hugs to all 3 of our warriors across the pond.

        • Ardent

          I can hardly believe this! How on Earth did they bar persons from a public street? Bizarre!

      • Donna Cline Sargent

        How can someone be barred from an entire street ! smh

        • Dolly Jones

          It’s just mad isn’t it. If I was in Dublin now I would so go and do a one woman protest.. eeek! I’m not associated with them.. Could they stop protesters that they can’t prove are associated. More I think about it… grrrrrr!

          • Donna Cline Sargent

            Me too ! Its always been my dream to visit England,Scotland,and Ireland.

            • Ardent

              Well worth saving up for, I’ll tell you, Donna. Magnificent countries, and the natural beauty is stunning.

        • HillieOnTheBeach

          While we don’t have the details, I’m reminded of cos going to a neighboring Texas county to get an oblivious judge to issue an arrest warrant for Marty Rathbun. In the video, you can see the arresting officer shaking his head and hating every minute of the nonsense he has to do. Of course charges were dropped.

          • Donna Cline Sargent

            It would be nice if they finally got in trouble for using the courts illegally and false police reports.

    • 0tessa

      He really needs his camera to keep his TR’s in.

    • Donna Cline Sargent

      That must be what they slung at Pete in his last video.

    • Sejanus

      Smug little ponces that will save the world…lol…..riiiiiiiight.

      I would rent office space beside them and make their life a living Hell by posting all the anti and outing info I could.
      Utterly contemptable wanks.

      • Dolly Jones

        “Utterly contemptable wanks.” Well said!

      • Graham

        Smug little ponce just about sums him up. Faced with a memorial to his cherch’s atrocities his response is to silently video it with a smirk on his face like some kind of soul-less robot.

      • i-Betty

        Hateful.

        And ‘utterly contemptible wanks’ is superb. I’m sharing it on SPs ๐Ÿ™‚

      • i-Betty

        Sam said ‘utterly contemptible wanks’ is the comment of the year ๐Ÿ˜€

      • Ardent

        WELL RANTED!!!

    • i-Betty

      Thanks to A.S.

      F5.

  • Stairway to Heaven is a clever title, given Elwrong’s drooling admiration of Aleister Crowley and that Jimmy Page bought and lived in Crowley’s house, where there was a big tree supposedly containing trapped souls that I heard inspired the song. Friend of mine was at the house as a guest of Page and she said it creeped her out.

  • Miscavige probably doesn’t like the song Stairway to Heaven. He likes stuff like Bohemian Rhapsody–head-banger music.

    • HTC

      He wouldn’t like Bohemian Rhapsody because Freddie Mercury (who was the best singer of all time) was gay.

      • chukicita

        Yet Bohemian Rhapsody was used during the infamous musical chairs.

        • HTC

          Now that just pisses me off! Queen is my favorite band and I don’t want him sullying them.

          • Ardent

            Yeah, they were great. It seems ultra nasty the Miscavige would abuse such excellent music.

        • And he probably got to bang some heads.

      • Ardent

        Best singer? Can of worms…. ๐Ÿ™‚

        • HTC

          A can of worms you say? You sir have laid down the gauntlet. He had the best range of any singer. From rock to opera. Interestingly, just watched a bio on him today.

          • Ardent

            Hmmm. I will agree that Freddie had a tremendous voice. No argument. But I’m not sure that makes him ‘best singer’. He is one of the greats, and according to taste I can see your point. For myself, I think, John Lennon, David Bowie, Brian Eno, Robert Plant, Paul Simon and Jon Anderson have voices to contend for ‘best’, all depending on what you look for (and that’s just the men). It’s kind of like debating how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. Shall we declare a truce and agree that Rock and Pop have given us some tremendously talented singers?

            • HTC

              We’ll just have to agree that I’m an ARDENT Freddie/Queen fan ha ha.

  • Eileen

    I hope that one of these documentaries looks past the trope that COS is a “ufo cult”. It’s cosmology is really about the battle against Evil, with Evil personified by “Evil Psychs”. It is the Psychs who have infiltrated governments, enslaved minds, and seek total domination.
    The battle may have originated in the stars, but really COS is fighting for earthly domination. Unfortunately the controversy about the use of psychopharmacology diverts attention from the fact that COS believes these Psychs want to rule the global population.
    My point, I think, is that COS makes it hard to really get to their basic belief, it’s like putting a puzzle together while someone keeps jumbling the pieces. But I do believe that a struggle for global domination is really the heart of COS. Calling it a ufo cult misses the deadly nature of COS command intention.

    • Bleuler

      We settled permanently on Teegeack and established the Psych HQ of the Universe here. It was only sensible, the Marcabian Confedaracy have atrociously parsimonious HMO’s. Here we get top dollar bribes from the drug companies and free implant stations named “Psychiatric Hospitals”.

    • Artoo45

      I think that was certainly true of Hubbard’s intentions, but I think that the tiny terror at the helm today is so fully absorbed in his personality disorder that he can’t see outside the bubble. The Truman Show analogy that Tory often employs to describe those still in is even more apt for Miscavige. He’s in a total bubble. I think another analogy that would be apt would be to compare him to Sarah Winchester (of the Winchester Mystery House fame).

      Sarah Winchester believed that she would live as long as she kept building her house. And build she did, 24 hours a day, seven days a week for decades until she’d build a rambling, confusing, grand edifice with stairs leading to nowhere and doors that opened onto walls. I think that all the huge events with grand sets, all the myriad videos with facts and figures galore, all the flyers and booklets and constant rejiggering of the tech, all of the regging and ideal org building are for him. It’s all to reinforce a reality that he’s powerful, smart, and respected. That he’s a big man. I don’t think he even sees anybody else anymore.

      Judging from the increasingly crazy com coming out of the cult, I honestly think it’s that bad. One good thing is that as he becomes more and more reclusive, his underlings can just tell him that his orders are being carried out and create CGI videos to prove how successful his amazing ideas are.

      • Ardent

        Artoo, your comment has the ring of extreme plausibility. I would guess you’re quite spot-on!

  • Michael Leonard Tilse

    โ€˜Stairway to Heaven.โ€™ How absolutely appropriate.

    Having been in the Scientology cult for 27 years of my life I have to say the words of the song are exactly about what I was hoping for and what I experienced:

    There’s a lady who’s sure all that glitters is gold
    And she’s buying a stairway to heaven.

    (To me this refers to the glitter of Hubbard’s promises, that Scientology was really worth something.)

    When she gets there she knows, if the stores are all closed
    With a word she can get what she came for.

    (Once having climbed the ‘levels’ and ‘grades’ of Scientology, she can have her ‘postulates’ stick.)

    Ooh, ooh, and she’s buying a stairway to heaven.

    (You have to pay for the stairway, each step, each level or grade has a price.)

    There’s a sign on the wall but she wants to be sure
    ‘Cause you know sometimes words have two meanings.

    (Two words: Study Tech.)

    In a tree by the brook, there’s a songbird who sings,
    Sometimes all of our thoughts are misgiven.

    (Our thoughts and reactions can come from past horrible experiences, past lives of terrible things.)

    Ooh, it makes me wonder,
    Ooh, it makes me wonder.

    There’s a feeling I get when I look to the west,
    And my spirit is crying for leaving.

    (A story perhaps, of a longing for a past life, or desire to exteriorize?)

    In my thoughts I have seen rings of smoke through the trees,
    And the voices of those who stand looking.

    (Memories of a past life battle and being dead, hearing the onlookers of the aftermath?)

    Ooh, it makes me wonder,
    Ooh, it really makes me wonder.

    And it’s whispered that soon, if we all call the tune,
    Then the piper will lead us to reason.

    (Hubbard’s promise: If there are enough Scientologists who pull their weight and do their jobs, he will be freed up enough to finish the bridge and lead us to sanity.)

    And a new day will dawn for those who stand long,
    And the forests will echo with laughter.

    (Those who stick with it, in the Sea Org (a billion years) or on staff, who stay committed will eventually see a golden age where we will finally be free and happy.)

    If there’s a bustle in your hedgerow, don’t be alarmed now,
    It’s just a spring clean for the May queen.

    (Ethics.)

    Yes, there are two paths you can go by, but in the long run
    There’s still time to change the road you’re on.

    (You can be on the bridge or off it. It’s eternity, you can always make it back to the bridge.)

    And it makes me wonder.

    Your head is humming and it won’t go, in case you don’t know,
    The piper’s calling you to join him,

    (The lure of joining the Sea Org, Hubbard’s call to join him in the great endeavor. She can’t make up her mind and is stuck.)

    Dear lady, can you hear the wind blow, and did you know
    Your stairway lies on the whispering wind?

    (Oh lady, don’t you know the bridge is an illusion?)

    And as we wind on down the road
    Our shadows taller than our soul.

    (The shadows of our past misdeeds, past lives, overwhelm us.)

    There walks a lady we all know
    Who shines white light and wants to show
    How everything still turns to gold.

    (We know them, the dreamers who live in fantasy and insist the future is golden for all.)

    And if you listen very hard
    The tune will come to you at last.
    When all are one and one is all
    To be a rock and not to roll.

    (You have to pay attention and then you will get Scientology. It will make sense. When everyone is a Scientologist we can control things. Hold a position. Be a rock, not something blown around by fate.)

    And she’s buying a stairway to heaven.

    ($$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$)

    • Richard Grant

      I think this is a brilliant analysis, Michael. But I feel compelled to warn you: as a consequence of posting every word of this (as I now discover) much-hated song, you are now likely to be fair-gamed by THDNE and the notorious Mr. Hole. Keep your cell phone charged. If you’re ambushed, don’t engage them. Especially, don’t hum.

      • Sarah James

        Must not hum. Lol

  • Mommy sais that Scientologist Tom Cruise is going to star in a new television movie starring the Geico caveman

    • Stacy

      Ok, it so wasn’t me who left the door open this time!

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        It was probably Skittles.

    • Jgg2012

      “Cave Man”? For YOU to refer to wogs in those terms is SO derogatory…

  • Mark

    Further to my watching far too many movies recentlyโ€”what with Louis Theroux (famed interviewer) talking of immersing himself in Scientology and Tony (famed journalist) and his mystery announcement on January 12thโ€”I’ve been having the oddest dreams about other upcoming 2015 films (refresh):

    • Frodis73

      Huge Lol. I love the little guy’s face. Snort!

    • i-Betty

      ‘Davy’s Prolapse Face’ made me chuckle ๐Ÿ˜›

    • madame duran

      *patiently waits for upcoming news story of computer hacking and Internet service being down at Gold*

  • Richard Grant

    Does anybody know what L. Ron Hubbard had to say about music? There’s been a lot of discussion today about that song that shall not be named, but much of it comes from musicians, who in my experience don’t have fixed blank stares (though some have dental issues), and I haven’t seen a single LRH reference. I just don’t know what to think.

    • Observer

      Well, apparently way back on the whole track he was named Arp Cola and invented it …

      In March 1986, Scientologists celebrated Hubbard’s birthday as usual. In Los Angeles, Annie Broeker made her first public appearance since the 1970s. Fumbling with her lines, looking tired and wearing too much makeup, she told the assembled fans a story. She said that Hubbard had once told her that “after the first tick of time” that one “Arp Cola” had invented music. There was a strong implication that Hubbard had been Cola. He had supposedly borrowed some of these early tunes and refashioned them into the modern style. The result was an album called “The Road to Freedom,” which was released that night. – Jon Atack in A Piece of Blue Sky, chapter 4

      http://www.instinct.org/texts/bluesky/bs8-4.htm

      • HillieOnTheBeach

        “Arp Cola”

        Crapola.

        I have been convinced for some time that Hubbard willfully tested the limits of his followers’ credulity and remain so convinced.

        • Draco

          “I have been convinced for some time that Hubbard willfully tested the limits of his followers’ credulity and remain so convinced.”
          Yes – I believe this too. And that he was sniggering up his sleeve for much of the time.

          • Graham

            Hubbard’s not the only guru to have made it all up as he went along, testing his acolytes’ credulity: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYgOSE5pL14

            • Guru wars are all fun and games until someone loses a third eye.

            • Frodis73

              I freaking love this. Lolololol.

        • kemist

          Me too.

          The “57 perceptics” ( Heinz 57 varieties ) is another exemple of this.

          By that point he must have been convinced his followers would swallow anything and doing this out of boredom.

        • Captain Howdy

          I realized this maybe 6 years ago when I first read about TR-Alice. I was gobsmacked at how obvious it was. I’ve read numerous examples of Hubbard having a laugh at his followers expense since then.

          • HillieOnTheBeach

            My moment was “Bridge to Total Freedom”.

            True to himself, Hubbard couldn’t come up with an original idea, but he actually convinced people to (figuratively) buy a bridge, again.

      • Richard Grant

        Thank you. I knew there would be something great.

        • Jgg2012

          In fact, everything ever invented was invented by Hubbard in a previous life. He invented the Printing Press, he was Isaac Newton, etc.

  • i-Betty

    Someone posed the question “What would happpen if DM died suddenly?” over on SPs/Facebook and I wanted to share Chris Shelton’s response because I think you’ll all find it interesting (and bang on point, probably). I’ve made the text larger so it’s easier to read:

    F5

    • John P.

      I agree with Chris that the organization is probably doomed. It’s not unlike tyrannical dictatorships, where about the only possible succession not guaranteed to plunge the country into a civil war is for the last generation tyrant to pass the scepter to one of his offspring. Since Miscavige doesn’t have any kids, that’s not exactly a viable option for him.

      One key detail to think about is who controls the money in the event of Miscavige’s demise?

      It’s pretty clear that the net cash balance in reserves is what Miscavige focuses on in managing things. As long as the cash goes up every year, he doesn’t seem too troubled by declines in membership, bad publicity, etc. Given how everything else is deteriorating, I am quite confident he only cares about that.

      Logically, we can infer that in Miscavige’s thinking, he would equate “power” with “access to the reserve funds.” Nobody without the power to access reserves will have any real power in the organization. I strongly suspect that Miscavige controls the reserves personally, with the help of a bunch of shadowy “wog experts” that work directly and only for him. They are probably employed with contracts that require them take orders directly from him, explicitly without a succession provision. To keep underlings from knocking him off, there’s probably a “dead man” provision that would say that if he died due to accidental death, none of his putative successors would actually get control of the purse.

      I would bet heavily that any provisions to transfer control of the reserve accounts to anyone after Miscavige dies would be sufficiently heavy-handed that it could take years to hand over the keys to the bank vault, even if it were obvious to nearly everyone that Miscavige died of natural causes. I would guess that there’s some provision that requires the Wog Experts to conduct a thorough investigation into his demise. And of course, they’ll be able to bill massively while such an investigation is ongoing, meaning that it’ll take a very long time indeed to come to any conclusions, especially when one byproduct of handing over the money to a new Tsar would be that he brings in his own Wog Experts to run the money and they lose their fat retainers.

      In the meantime, no payroll checks are going out, the lights and phones get turned off, and even the Web sites go dark, even if there is someone who has been legitimately named the new head of Scientology by being properly appointed according to the corporate by-laws. If you can’t manage the money, you are just a jerk in a fancier uniform, waiting for paychecks that will never arrive.

      • i-Betty

        You and Chris: magnificent.

      • Jgg2012

        Ever see Moon over Parador?

      • flyonthewall

        Awesome analysis, that question is brought up often. As an aside, if I’m not mistaken, SO reserves is the only stat Miscavige is held too according to Hubbard’s rules

      • Baby

        “As long as the cash goes up every year, he doesn’t seem too troubled by declines in membership, bad publicity, etc”
        …………………………………………………………..

        JP.. I only disagree with this point.

        DM is a Narcissistic Sociopath .. He desires Control through Fear. If it were about the $ he would have left a long time ago. He would be sitting on a private island with Lou drinking umbrella drinks.

        He loves people who quake with fear as he walks by..who buy the Bull Shite and if they don’t they will suffer the Wrath of degradation .. Worship and Adored. and FEARED.

        Power is his God. He is now being ridiculed and uncovered. He hides all his glory behind bushes and camouflaged staging so that others will NOT see the ” Wizard of the CLAMS ” for what he truly is..

        For the dwindling numbers that must be Photoshopped in. THAT IS HIS RUIN. Bad publicity and looking ” LESS THAN” is his ruin. He has become a laughing stock. His repeated foot bullets through commands to his Minions have made him no less than a JOKE.

        We have seen him age before our very eyes.. He is troubled. He is haunted because he knows that he has lost his power in the age of the internet. His secrets are being uncovered one by one.

        And he knows the Books and Movies are coming forward now because NO one is Scared of him anymore. That is what he resents the most. No one is scared.

      • Spackle Motion

        Great analysis, as always JP, but I suspect that the reserve accounts will be tied up in other asset liquefying litigation as the hordes of victims line up to get what is owed. If DM dies suddenly, then we will most likely see more Wally Popes surfacing, then I suspect the Government will finally step in with criminal fraud investigations. The Feds have ways to get at money that was previously untouchable.

      • BlueDeer

        Out of curiosity, does anybody know why Miscavige never had any kids?

    • 1subgenius

      Ditto on Chris.

  • BosonStark

    Stairway to heaven, trapdoor to Hell.

  • i-Betty

    Something interests me greatly about Karen’s videos and forum posts. She states quite unequivocally in today’s video that Sea Org staffers are being human-trafficked. This is just one example of the sorts of things Karen states unambiguously about the ‘church’s’ crimes.

    Now wouldn’t the world’s most litigious cult sue Karen to Hell and back for slander and damage to reputation? Of course they would. Except every single one of her claims can be proven in a court of law and there is no way on earth those clowns want to go head-to-head with Karen in a legal Colosseum.

    So they have to sit on their hands and fume in silence. Bravo, Karen!

    • Draco

      Not to mention all the reports of violence dished out by DM personally – I don’t see him taking on Mike and Marty and many others for slandering him! Surely such a big and powerful thetan could take them on in court and win the day? But then again… maybe not ๐Ÿ˜€

      • Dr_Orpheus

        His OiIiness would never personally sue anyone even if his lawyers thought he would win the case because it would force him on the witness stand.

        • Eclipse-girl

          Some entity of $cientology could sue if they wanted.

          They don’t because then people like Debbie Cook, or others who have taken the money to be silent, could be put on the witness stand.

          They don’t want to sue because the tales of exes would become public legal documents. I believe those documents could be cited in future court cases.

          They do not want to sue because they would loose.

          They have already lost so many suits, or stopped them with payoffs, they can’t afford to let others know about the pay outs.

    • No matter what document or *Business contract* any Sea Org member signed, a Court of law trumps all these gags and muzzles.
      Each and every Ex Sea Org member can be subpoened for a Grand Jury and normal jury to reveal their horror stories.
      A court of Law takes seniority over hush money and a Lawyer engineered “contract.”

  • nottrue

    This has only been up for a few hours and its getting alot of views….viral…

    • 1subgenius

      Google Translate.
      I can’t do it because what you posted is an image, and no linky.

      • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ggqr5NySoVM
        The Church of Scientology was founded in 1954 by L. Ron Hubbard in the United States. Scientologists call Scientology as a religion. The German Constitutional protection monitors the organization and appreciates it as a potential threat to democracy.

        • Frodis73

          We need somebody to caption this vid ASAP. Lol, I am watching it anyway.

        • 1subgenius

          Danke.

        • Ardent

          Ah. I should have scrolled down. Oops.

    • aegerprimo

      Ich spreche Deutsch nicht gut.

      • FromPolandWithLove

        Fun fact. My conversation with Germans usually looks like this. Me: Do You speak English? Hans:Nain. Me: auf wiedersehen ๐Ÿ˜‰

    • 1subgenius

      yeah, 10K views today.

    • Ardent

      I think some of us are German, or Austrian? Perhaps the Europeans here can lend a hand? I’d be interested to know exactly what is said. I can make out:
      ” The church of Scientology was founded in 1954 by L.Ron Hubbard in the United States. It goes on, I think to explain how this ‘science’ calls itself a church, and I THINK, it continues on to say that a German organization (Verfassungcsshutz) the watches over the organization sees some potential for the church to threaten democratic ideals? That’s the best I can manage.

  • Bradley Greenwood

    I really enjoy Karen’s videos. She bring an awesome perspective into the mechanics of the “church”.
    My wife and I agree that she is “just the cutest little thing”. ๐Ÿ™‚

  • Tony Ortega

    NEW POST UP

    • FromPolandWithLove

      Hip hip Hurray :):):)

    • Eivol Ekdal

      You have mail, Amigo

  • Axiom142

    Iโ€™ve often thought that โ€˜Stairway To Heavenโ€™ was an apt description for Scientology.

    From the song:

    โ€œThere’s a lady who’s sure all that glitters is gold
    And she’s buying a stairway to heaven.โ€

    True believers donโ€™t question the value of what they have been sold and think that they can buy immortality, or more precisely, Total Freedom.

    • CherryPitz

      More like a Stairmaster to Heaven – there is no destination, just endless climbing.

  • beauty for ashes

    I love what Louis Theroux says about his fascination with scientology, “The Holy Grail of Stories.”

  • Ferds Smith

    This cult MUST be destroyed – Soon!

  • Tory Christman

    They tried to pin a “Freeloaders Bill” on me when they routed me out of the Sea Org, (1972) putting me on some BS “Program” to get OFF of my much needed Medication for Epilepsy. Once my Mom realized “They are going to KILL YOU”…she insisted I get back on the medication that controls seizures, which I did. So what did $cientology try to do? Pin me with some HUGE “Freeloaders Debt”.

    I’ll never forget them: 2 HAGS from I think CLO or some area. I told them: “Get me a pen and some paper as *I* am going to write to the ONE sane person I know”. (Which I never realized how funny *that* statement was until I was out and speaking to some critics. “Tory Talks to C F I” —they roared with laughter.

    I wrote it up to L Ron Hubbard, telling him my entire story. He agreed, (or whomever answered it) and said: “Continue in the HGC and we’ll see you up the lines”. (So that changed my life from wanting to help others…to I HAD to “fix me” first..which of course Auditing is NOT going to “erase” Epilepsy. I fought them for 30 years on it, and finally woke up, escaped out…and the rest is history! Happy New Year to all here, and Tony!! Oh what a grand year 2015 is going to be for US. ๐Ÿ™‚ Love and exposure ๐Ÿ™‚ Tory/Magoo

    • Jgg2012

      How many lifetimes are you given to pay that freeloader bill?

      • Tory Christman

        You got me: I wasn’t going to get roped into it for ANY lifetimes. I *highly* recommend anyone
        with a “Freeloaders Debt” mail it back to C of $ with a BILL for ALL of the unpaid HOURS you worked, plus interest!

  • Jgg2012

    Karen’s video: Who spends most of their money on lawyers, buildings, spies and hush money?
    A criminal organization, that’s who.

  • Still_On_Your_Side

    Clark Carr alleges that there are large numbers of potential plaintiffs who were defrauded by NAFC. These unnamed “plaintiffs” were allegedly harmed because NAFC is not a registered certifier in California.

    So, let me get this straight. Carr is the president of Narconon. Under Clark’s direction. Narconon made money for years by unlawfully claiming its representatives were NAFC certified when they weren’t, and by unlawfully using NAFC trademarks on Narconon websites. Now Carr claims he and “his class” were defrauded by NAFC because during the time Narconon was committing fraud by claiming NAFC certification and by stealing NAFC’s trademarks, Narconon did not know that NAFC was not registered in California. Can Carr and his lawyers spell “unclean hands”? You can bet that moving the case back to state court is not going to change the fact that Carr committed fraud on NAFC.

  • Vanfan

    Love the countdowns. It’s so exciting.

  • PoisonIvyHerself

    I can’t wait for the announcement Tony! (Anyone want to place some behind the scenes bets on what it might be?)

    I really look forward to Louis Theroux’s film because he tends to stand back and let his subjects hoist themselves by their own petards. I like his tolerant yet relentlessly honest style of communicating with them.

    If Scientology can somehow withstand his take on it, then maybe we should all take back everything we’ve been saying here for years. BUT… I’m inclined to think we’ll see a human look at its members, which may make us even more furious at the organization than ever before. As those of us never-ins have learned here from all the exes, Scientology was and is made up of PEOPLE – of primarily sensitive, caring, SEARCHERS whose open-minded, giving natures have been cruelly exploited and raped for the benefit of the “Church” – THEN, AKA LRH, NOW, AKA The Midget Dictator.

    HBO – well, can’t wait for that either. It’s definitely going to be an interesting 2015 here in the Bunker!

    • L. C. Spencer

      Tony’s book?
      Tony’s book?
      Tony’s book?
      Tony’s book?
      Tony’s book?

      (If I say it enough times, will that make it what the announcement will be? Maybe I should say it three times in a mirror!)

  • Whiskeyjack

    I’ve seen many of Louis Theroux’s shows and he is a master at letting people take as much rope as they need- to hang themselves. I’m pretty confident this movie won’t be much different.

  • Sydjazz

    Hey friends. I am way too excited for this.

  • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

    All I as an ex 27 year Sea Org veteran can say, is two things:

    a) Young people who are Pied Piper like victims, will always be there, there are always suckers, and suckers and hope-seekers will always find their way to Scientology.

    b) The hopeful types keep Scientology, official and the easier living freezone Scientologists, going.

    That hopeful gullibility seeking human thing transcends ALL of the failure in Hubbard’s past live crank therapy and exorcism of body thetans.

    Hope just seems a human genetic problem that transcends good media.

    All of Hubbard’s barbed rules aren’t as big of a negative factor against Scientology gullible wannabes as are their own continuing unshakable hope for spiritual transcendence through Hubbard’s past live crank therapy and the OT 3, 4, 5, 6, and 7 body thetan exorcism.

    Media exposure works on sensible minds.

    The sucker born every day clientele always available for these placebo help groups (Scientology fake religion being one of them) prey on the always ample undereducated sucker class.

  • robbie

    It’s too bad Tony Ortega wrote a lot of other bland and inconsequential crap on twitter and during his tenure at Raw Story(?) maybe it was Slate, I can’t remember exactly. When I saw him in Going Clear i thought to myself ‘is that the same boring dumbshit who wrote all those articles for raw story?’ and when I realized it was it made it a bit harder to enjoy the film, although it was still a very good film. So my advice to Tony is stick to Scientology, its one of the only territories you’ve worked in where the final product is not eerily mundane

    • TonyOrtega

      If you put a comment on a nine-month-old story, few people are going to see it. If you click on the “home” button above, it will take you to the most recent stories. The top story is where most people are currently commenting, and where your thoughts will get seen by the most people.

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      You’re a Scientologist, that is clear, but that doesn’t mean we wouldn’t welcome you and your viewpoints with open arms if you have the courage to post on current articles rather than skulking behind month-old stories.

      See you in October ๐Ÿ™‚