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Scientology’s Craigslist expert issues new instructions after so much ad flagging

CraigslistHere’s a little treat we thought we’d put out before your holiday weekend kicks off. (Tap, tap. Is this thing on? Anyone there? Ha.)

Over at WhyWeProtest.net, and then here in the comments section of the Underground Bunker, there’s been a coordinated effort by folks who do their best to “flag” deceptive ads that Scientology posts on Craigslist pages. (We have never condoned nor prohibited this activity in our comments section, where readers are free to do what they want.)

Apparently, that effort is having some effect. Scientology’s general in its war against Anonymous at Craigslist, Tony Chen of Sacramento, has put out a new set of instructions for dealing with the offensive against the church. We thought you’d want to see what advice he’s sending out.

Here’s the document, which was forwarded to us by one of our great tipsters…

Dear Cyber Dissemination Club member,

We (the River Park Mission) just started two people from Craigslist in the last few days. One started the Knowing Who to Trust Life Improvement Course on Wednesday, and the other one started the How to Achieve Self Confidence Life Improvement Course on Friday.

It’s been harder to post ads on Craigslist for about a year for me, but now I’ve got it cranking out products for me again.

It’s all because for the last several weeks, I’ve been working on a program to intelligently increase the number of Craigslist ads. I spent about 5 extra hours each week on this program per week for several weeks. You know and I know it’s not easy to come up with 5 extra hours each week for 4 or 5 weeks, but my stats has been increasing due to this effort, and now I’ve got the “system” set up, so I no longer need to spend the extra hours to keep it going.

Here are some “secrets” of getting products off Craigslist:

1. Concentrate your ads in the categories CLASSES, GROUPS, and ACTIVITY PARTNERS. These are the most effective categories for our type of ads. About 90% of my ads are under these 3 categories.

2. If your ad keeps getting “flagged” (becoming pink in the account page) within a few minutes, that means that particular Craigslist account is restricted. Solution is to create more Craigslist accounts. By the way, in my experience, “restricted” Craigslist accounts will automatically become “less restricted” after some weeks. What causes an account to become “restricted”- I don’t know, because despite having many accounts, I couldn’t find any pattern to why some accounts get “restricted”. My guess is user “flagging”.

3. The best way to post ads (for me) is by “tethering” or by using a “mobile hotspot”. This method will automatically change your “IP address” each time when you connect to the Internet via your cell phone. I think this makes hard for people to blacklist your IP address. (Definitions of the technical words are below.)

4. I tested posting with three different web browsers (Internet Explorer, Mozilla Firefox, and Google Chrome). Ads posted by Internet Explorer tend to stay up (not become pink) much more than those posted by Mozilla Firefox or Google Chrome. I don’t know why. I just know the results I’ve gotten, which I’ve spent time tabulating.

Definition: A “Mobile Hotspot” is a cell phone capability that turns your cell phone into a wireless WIFI “Hotspot”, so that your computer can connect to the Internet via your cell phone. Recent cell phones all have the Mobile Hotspot capability. You will need to contact your cell phone carrier to subscribe to this service to have it available though. For me, I have T-Mobile, and it costs me $25 per month.

Definition: Using “Tethering” is the same as using a “Mobile Hotspot”, except it’s not wireless. You are connecting from your cell phone to your computer via a line to the computer’s USB port.

Definition: “IP Address” is an ID number assigned to your device when you log onto the Internet. Craigslist can track this number. You can check your current IP Address anytime by going to the website ipchicken.com. As you can see, when you go to any website, that website then automatically knows your IP Address.

Note: If your cell phone doesn’t have Mobile Hotspot or Tethering capability, you can also buy a Mobile Hotspot Device from your cell phone carrier. To give you an idea on the pricing, T-Mobile sells one for about $165 cash or allows you to pay about $8 per month for it.

I hope these tips help, and may you get a lot of books sold and a lot of people into your Mission or Org and onto services!

Tony Chen
PES River Park Mission

 
Have a great weekend!

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on December 19, 2014 at 17:30

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  • merry xmas and happy holidays bunkerits 🙂
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysIzPF3BfpQ

    • ScientologyDoesNotExist

      Captain Howdy sings!

      • i-Betty

        I hope he won’t be mad at me, but if I was asked to imagine Howdy singing it absolutely would be the red Muppet on the right with the bells 😛

        • ScientologyDoesNotExist

          If he gets mad, I’ll tell him it was your idea! heh heh

          • HillieOnTheBeach

            I, for one, will do the Swedsih Chef vocals of that and dare bf to hate me for it.

          • i-Betty

            I’m suddenly going on holiday! 😀

    • Juicer77

      And handbells!

    • ze moo

      Beeker was always my favorite muppet.

  • Vaquera

    Yay!!

    • Dolly Jones

      Double Yay!!

      • ScientologyDoesNotExist

        Triple!

        • Vaquera

          With chocolate sprinkles.

          • Dolly Jones

            What, no cherry?

            • Vaquera

              You can have the cherry, I call dibs on the stem.

  • Poor Tony, he must feel all alone, a sole lying a55hole in a sea of people working hard to shut his scams down.

  • lucille austero

    Tony Chen, you are fail.

    • Jimmy3

      My stats has been increasing due to Tony Chen failing.

    • sookiesookie

      And Tony O., you are all kinds of win.

  • Graham

    “Here are some “secrets” of getting products off Craigslist” Can we take it that ‘products’ is yet another $camatology synonym for human being?

    “If your ad keeps getting “flagged”…..within a few minutes, that means that particular Craigslist account is restricted.” If your ad keeps getting flagged it’s because you are an a***hole who treats people as ‘product’ to be abused and there are people prepared to call you out on this.

    • Still_On_Your_Side

      This cartoon fits with your astute catch of the use of the term “products.” Ironically, it’s part of an article arguing that Facebook is a dangerous cult like Scientology, http://www.alternet.org/culture/8-ways-facebook-cult-just-scientology

      • McLovin_1982

        oh so true…. I choose not to be a product….

      • Anonymous

        Many years ago when new consumer-oriented Internet companies were often referred to under the collective label “dot coms” it was possible to raise large amounts of venture capital funding by pitching the number of “eyeballs” your site was attracting.

        The implication was that even if your company had no idea how it was going to make money…if it was able to attract enough folks to look at the site, eventually those “eyeballs” would be monetized.

        Most of the time it did not work out…but sometimes it worked out spectacularly.

        For instance, Google did not start out to sell advertising…in fact there was no monetization plan at all for the traffic that Google was attracting with it’s search index offering. It was just a cool thing.

        But if the old expression above “If you’re not paying for it, your’e not the customer…You’re the product being sold” was ever true, it is true for Google, Facebook, Twitter, Yahoo and many others. The collection of deep data sets about users, followed by the packaging and selling of that data (or advertising services based on the data) to marketers (and others) is the entire point of those companies. Google may not be “evil” but it is definitely not a charity endeavor. And they know who you are whether you log in or not…it is infinitely more fine grained than simple IP addresses.

        • Todd Tomorrow

          Google was the first to allow you to separate spam or advertises you’ve bought many things from. As a stockholder I was pissed off. Then I started using it and it is so nice to just get emails from friends and family. It works 90% of the time. Then when I do need something I’ll go look at that page, find the model # and brand I want. I copy and paste that info my browser and hit shopping. It tells me the cheapest place including shipping. last year I saved 1800 bucks give or take a 100. My old yahoo and hotmail accts I dread even opening, all the spam, especially yahoo( Almost unusable). So Google did a good thing. 90% less spam unless spam is your thing. Play with your settings it took me 10 mins.

          • Anonymous

            I’m quite familiar with Google’s various offerings, including their Gmail ad platform.

            Google holds an approximately 31% share of total global digital advertising dollars spent…it is an amazingly powerful revenue and profits generator. No other company is even close to their scale in that category.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              Sorry, didn’t mean to suggest you didn’t know. That’s a great company for you to invest in. So do you like the new email platform without all the ads?

            • Anonymous

              If you are referring to the tabs…sure it is a definite convenience to handle spam.

              But Google is still keyword reading your email and using the accumulated data to serve you content related ads everywhere they own ad space inventory.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              Yeah, I have to have an email for my business that I pay for protection. it does it well but it is so scareye because it is almost exactly the same as an old Netscape system I had 15 years ago. Sure works better than the free ones. Could be cause it’s hooked up to a, T-1 line, I don’t know.

      • Ten Aug

        Maybe Dave should try that line… Scientology: it’s not Facebook.

  • Vaquera

    Cyber Dissemination Club member. I wonder if there’s an initiation fee?

    • ScientologyDoesNotExist

      If there’s a secret decoder ring and Ovaltine, I’m in!

      • Vaquera

        “Be sure to drink your Ovaltine.”
        -A Christmas Story

        http://youtu.be/zdA__2tKoIU

        • Narapoid

          Ooops, I posted this upthread… Perfect though, isn’t it? Great minds….

      • McLovin_1982

        DOH! I just replied the same to I-Betty upthread!

  • Pierrot

    *** RED X +–+ ALERT ***

    Thank you Tony,thank you for letting us know that we do make a difference. We need to know
    that we are getting under their skin & giving them some headaches, also we hope to prevent some poor
    soul falling prey to this malfeasant cult.

    Bookmark the spread sheet and visit regularly. The fresher the ad the easier to remove!
    RedX write up : https://whyweprotest.net/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-117#post-2494321
    RedX spreadsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-Kvg78kCcvo5gL7UfPcmhmbsagTNtdj0y2LAiHVFrCU/pubhtml
    Thanks Aegerprimo & Barbara Angel: https://www.flickr.com/photos/120371503@N05/13156275813/in/set-72157642802079293

    • lucille austero

      Thank you for all you do, Pierrot! Winning!

    • Graham

      Well it’s my bed-time here in the UK. But buoyed up by this confirmation that flagging is having an effect I’ll do me a little extra flagging before turning in.

    • i-Betty

      Yes, thank you Pierrot, Pan, the lovely Dodo and all of you who keep these lists up to date. It’s an arduous task and you never flag (ha!). But, truly, thank you 🙂

    • MCurie

      So I am probably being a little dense and am not sure if people are
      supposed to follow links from the RedX spread sheet or if they are
      supposed to search craigslist for Scientology ads, then flag them, and
      then add them to the spreadsheet…..so I flagged some boston ads that I
      didn’t see on the spread sheet and put the links here, maybe you can do
      whatever I missed?:

      under communities-classes (didn’t see any under activities or groups or events)
      http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/cls/4794634456.html
      http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/cls/4793560357.html
      http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/cls/4793030117.html
      http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/cls/4793014276.html
      Ad
      titles are “Unlock the door to success” Gregory & James are
      contacts–mentions Scientology and “How to improve relationships with
      others” James is contact–ad doesn’t mention scientology but has address and same ph #. They don’t put a city location in the title; no Boston or Quincy.

      Not just limited to the Scilon ads…what a creepy section of craigslist…ewwww.

      • Robert Eckert

        Yep, that’s our old buddies in Boston. If those ads aren’t on the Red X spreadsheet they certainly should be.

        • Pierrot

          We restrict the list to the last 7 days as we have established that if an ad is not flagged and removed after a week it is solidly anchored and will only be removed after massive effort. We rather conserve our energy for fresh ads that are more vulnerable.

      • Pierrot

        Thanks, I will check why they are not in the spread sheet!

    • Unex Skcus

      Well done to everyone who helps with the flagging! I think that, if after months of flagging, you have prevented even just ONE person from getting sucked into the Co$ scam, it’s an awesome accomplishment.

    • anynoymuus

      Please provide link with ‘how to play’ + ‘faq’ or please provide dox onto this thread. tks.

    • Which adds are specifically created by this forking crook? I want to flag only that a55hole’s fraudulent spams.

  • Wait. He’s paying $25/month extra for tethering?! He’s getting reamed by his phone company, but I guess he’s used to that.

    • McLovin_1982

      Someone should contact his regger….. I am sure they would be interested why he is not giving that money to the chult.

    • Deeana

      Could you please expand on your thoughts about T-Mobile? I have a friend who is considering going to work for them.

      • I couldn’t say what they’re like to work for. It’s just that on forums over the years, I’ve noticed T-Mobile popping up as restrictive. My feeling would be that I’m buying a “phone line”, and it’s no business of them what apps are on my phone.

  • Jimmy3

    #5. was supposed to be “Please don’t forward this, they’ll make fun of us on Tony Ortega…” But his hotspot cut out and he forgot to re-add that part.

    • lucille austero

      Bwahaha!!!!!

    • Juicer77

      They have that on a rubber stamp, it’s on everything now. Tee hee.

  • Barbara Angel

    Well, well thanks for the tips Mr Chen you A- Hole. I think the best way to deal with the Craigs List enablers is to have an actual meeting with the CEO and explain to them the legal ramifications of promoting the chult.
    If he/she starts on with ‘freedom of speech’ Blah..blah… then inform them extensively about the actual Grief; deaths, suicides, pain, harm, criminal behaviour, numerous law suits and inform C/L that as they are promoting such a dangerous chult, they will be facing a law suit themselves for aiding and abetting,
    a dangerous chult by promoting co$ when all evidence shows it damages people in particular focus on narCon etc. etc. etc. etc
    Maybe Mr Tony could set up a meeting and link it to the dangers of cigarettes? Just saying…….
    And to Mr Chen I hope there is a special place in Hell for creeps like you.

    • ze moo

      Chen is just a low level low life clam. His purpose in life to spread clamjuice and get his cut of the pyramid scam. Craigslist CEO will never care about $cientology, remember all the trouble they had getting the prostitution ads taken down? Oh, they never really got taken down. Craigslist is just a classified ad system with a great many dubious and even illegal ads.

      • Barbara Angel

        Oh I didn’t know much about C/List at all. Shame on them, Enabling criminal A-holes. Tho’ I’m hoping with all my heart, that potential victims at least, take the time to Google allllll the negative *truthful* testimonies and get their ‘socks shocked’ off, as I did, when researching these criminals. Back then I was still under the illusion that the co$-a-nostra would crash and burn quickly.
        But they lumber along, leaving a path of massive amount of death and destruction.
        Thank goodness people now have the internet, so they are finally been ‘outed’ for what they truly are, the lowest of the low, dishonest CRIMINALS run by a psychopath who has an insatiable lust for moneeeee. He’s truly a despicable creature.

  • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

    Oh, this is fantastic! Now to go on to the comments from the dedicated people I admire greatly here, who will help expose the chult.

  • Juicer77

    So all the Craigslist ads about happy marriages, happy babies, better relationships, improved careers, overcoming anger, dropping depressing, easing anxiety, better communication etc. etc. etc. are only so much cover for a “body routing” scam to get people on course (pay money)? Thanks for spelling it out in such detail, Mr. Chen!

  • Still_On_Your_Side

    This is a very, enlightening document. It shows how organized the scam is, and how the church is knowingly engaged in a conspiracy to evade Craigslist’s flagging system through misrepresentation. Craigslist’s general counsel should be interested in it.

    • Jimmy3

      It shows how determined they are, but it more so shows how clueless they are. There are a dozen easier ways of getting a new IP address rather than paying a cell company to activate a hotspot on your phone. And what he says about web browsers makes no sense that I can determine. Using IE doesn’t make your craigslist ads stay up longer when people are flagging it.

      • Dolly Jones

        I had the same thought about the browser. ha.

        • Free Minds, Free Hearts

          I thought that too Dolly, but am no expert – but I can’t imagine how it would make a difference. I think he is confusing correlation with causation – just because the ads he posted on IE didn’t get flagged, he assumed it was BECAUSE he posted them on IE… Statistics 101, but of course cultists don’t go to real schools so they can’t learn real statistics…

          • Dolly Jones

            I think you’re right FreeMinds.

          • Missionary Kid

            It’s $cientolomath. Statistics have no meaning.

      • Juicer77

        Shhhhh! If it uses up the a drop in the Co$ coffers and wastes time, let them keep doing it!

        • Jimmy3

          They would certainly pay that out of their own pockets. Tony Chen’s craigslist battle plan isn’t going to tap into the coffers. I would love if it they came here to read anything, too.

      • Still_On_Your_Side

        I think IP address masking is the least of their problems. False advertising is a bigger problem. At the end, the writer states: “I hope these tips help, and may you get a lot of books sold and a lot of people into your Mission or Org and onto services.” It’s a classic bait and switch scam, and he is teaching others about how it can be accomplished.

        • Jimmy3

          Right. I think you’re talking about how this looks in general and I’m speaking of the content. I get what you mean.

      • McLovin_1982

        Just like paying $300K doesn’t make your thetens go away

      • Ella Raitch

        But he tabulated it and stuff….it gosh-darned science!

    • Meccaanon

      Speaking of deceptive. Here is a local ad on Craigslist.

      “Do you like reading self-help or life improvement information?

      We have a library-like course room which people come to read about self-improvement. It’s great for individuals or families. You will meet wonderful people here.

      Call (show contact info) for questions regarding our courses. Special courses on handling anxiety, relationships and personal success are available. Walk-ins welcome.” (Address is the local org.) ”

      This is one of about ten just today. We get ads form the New York org too although we are about 2000 miles from the Big Apple.

  • Pierrot

    Tony Chen: Sacramento Mission holder:

    and from Narapoid https://www.flickr.com/photos/120371503@N05/14612828053/in/set-72157642802079293

    • Elegant Mess

      Pierrot, thank you for your work! Your efforts are having a great effect on the chult’s dissemination efforts. Keep it up and I will continue flagging.

      • Pierrot

        thank you.

    • i-Betty

      It might just be my screen but the woman in red on the far right of the top photo looks like a Cyborg with a giant forehead.

    • ScientologyDoesNotExist

      For goddsake, Free the Cats!

  • HillieOnTheBeach

    Is it just me but does that e-mail read breathless, exasperated and, most of all, defeated.

    • Pierrot

      hopefully so !

  • if you wondered what this genius looks like I tracked him down (boy there are a lot of Tony Chens out there)… here he is {he mainly seems to hold “overcoming Ups and Down of Life seminars}

    https://www.facebook.com/anthony.chen.1800?ref=ts&fref=ts

    pic

  • FollowTheMoney

    Mr Chen was so busy with his extra hours he missed point 5: ‘Don’t forget to clearly label your ad ‘run by the Church of Scientology’. We’re proud of our Church and want to be as transparent as possible so that potential new recruits can make informed choices about their wellbeing.’

    Said no scientologist. Ever.

    • satyr wongraven

      exactly. i was sufing the tube and saw the hwood xmas parade was on and was just in time to catch the co$ segment. it started with her highness goddess being interviewed on the parade route, they then cut to montell williams high above the parade at the author services building, montell interviews so member about an amazing l ron hubbard pirate book, then a cut back to parade where the pirate is now a giant balloon being pulled in the cold and rain by so, who all look absolutely miserable. its a fairly long segment. never ever ever is scientology mentioned. ever.

      • richelieu jr

        Very true, but luckily pretty much the only positive thing Hubbard ever accomplished was making his bale absolutely synonymous with Scientology. Differentiating between the two (and it sure was true of me for as long as I can remember before I started seriously researching this nonsense) is pretty much like differentiating (I am softening this for the tender sensibilities of Google Spies and Scilon crybabies in the audience) between ‘caca’ and ‘poop’.

  • Wait a second — one of the courses they flog on Craigslist is literally called “Knowing Who to Trust”? Oh, the irony!

    • April

      Those were exactly my thoughts! Ha. You beat me to it by a few minutes though.

    • Almost the very definition of irony!
      If the course has any validity, it should be their last one.

  • i-Betty

    Ooh, Cyber Dissemination Club. I wonder if they have a special uniform and a secret handshake.

    • Shhh! It’s probably a BIG SECRET!!

    • McLovin_1982

      I-Betty….. drink all your Ovaltine if you want to get the decoder ring…. paging Ralphie….

      • Narapoid

        OMG, this is EXACTLY like $cientology, except it makes me laugh…*ref*www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdA__2tKoIU

  • Dolly Jones

    Do these craig-list ads really work for them?

    • Apparently, a couple of gullible prospects slipped through our SP fingers. According to Tony C. of the no doubt awesome Cyber Dissemination Club, in describing some fresh meat:
      “One started the Knowing Who to Trust Life Improvement Course on Wednesday, and the other one started the How to Achieve Self Confidence Life Improvement Course on Friday.
      (Let’s include those poor, deluded neophytes in our holiday prayers).

      • Dolly Jones

        Eeeeek!

        Lets hope they were the only two.

      • April

        The CO$ teaching a “Knowing Who to Trust” course. Oh, the irony!

        • Robert Eckert

          “Are you one of the people who doesn’t know who to trust and who not to trust? Man, do we want to talk to you!”

          • 1subgenius

            Oh, the possibilities are endless:
            “Are you too gullible? Do you let people take advantage of you?
            Call now .”

            • Robert Eckert

              Another long-time fave of mine among their ad-titles is “How To Deal With Negative People.” Join Scientology, and you’ll deal with all the negative people you can handle, and then some!

      • HillieOnTheBeach

        “One started the Knowing Who to Trust Life Improvement Course on Wednesday”

        From a CL ad? Seriously?

        • Hate to say it, but almost seems like they were fated to be reeled in somehow if they are deluded enough to do their life improvement searching on CL.

          • Pierrot

            desperate people is what they are after.

    • Pierrot

      That is a good question, but in the prvious email. Tony Chen boasted about some body routing thanks to CL!

      • Dolly Jones

        oh dear 🙁

      • 1subgenius

        He’s lying.

        • Baby

          Hello to the yes he’s lyin..they all lie.. I don’t believe a word any of them say.

  • i-Betty

    What causes an account to become “restricted”- I don’t know, because despite having many accounts, I couldn’t find any pattern to why some accounts get “restricted”. My guess is user “flagging”.

    Sorry, I’m vaguely pissed, fabulous Christmas meal with colleagues, but even through the wobbly pink mists of Prosecco and brandy that tickled me. Oooh – *strokes beard* – I wonder!

    • Juicer77

      Ah, that holiday glow that St. Alcohol brings 🙂 Glad you are having fun!

      • McLovin_1982

        As long as it’s not beer goggles…. that can be trouble. 🙁

  • Pierrot

    I would love to lap it up for the next few hours but it is now past 1am here and time for bed.
    Keep up checking the google doc, don’t give them a break.
    And thanks for your support, we need more flaggers!!
    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-Kvg78kCcvo5gL7UfPcmhmbsagTNtdj0y2LAiHVFrCU/pubhtml#

    • i-Betty

      Sweet dreams – you’ve earned them 🙂

    • Dolly Jones

      Who are folks in the photo?

      • Pierrot

        Tony Chen top left of center and his mission staff & “parishioners”
        Welcome to the Red X team Dolly.

        • Dolly Jones

          Glad to be here 🙂

          • Baby

            Dolly your hat is crackin me up..I love it! haha

            • Dolly Jones

              Thanks Baby. Praise indeed considering your hat. LOL. I got insanely jealous the other night while talking with Bury and Stacy and seeing all the other Xmas hats. I just had to have one. 🙂

            • Baby

              Oh jealousy is a strong motivator Dolly..haha I’m afraid mine will catch on fire with my Cig burning..ha xoxo

            • Dolly Jones

              Or stunt your growth.. haha 😉 x

            • Baby

              hahahhaa

      • ScientologyDoesNotExist

        I’m going with Mickey Mouse Club Reunion Committee or AARP Store Greeters, Can’t decide.

        • McLovin_1982

          no no SDNE you are mistaken…. those are the Walmart greeters…..

          • L. Wrong Hubturd

            No way. Too many teeth.

      • Graham

        This photo’s from a Craigslist ad. Some of the ads are along the lines of ‘Come and join a fun group’, accompanied by a cheesy photo such as this. Wouldn’t you just love to join this crazy group of cool cats?

        • Dolly Jones

          Well you may mock but I’m strangely draw to them… you know they do look fun. Why else would you all have your hands in the air like that! Think I’m going to phone, can’t, no, can’t resist, being pulled in, help, noooo…

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      I see you found the photo of Tony and Company spontaneously creating a new mobile hotspot…

  • Phil McKraken

    “… getting products off Craigslist:”

    Why is Scilonspeak always syntactically disjointed? I know they’re taking after Hubbard, but now I’m beginning to think the Source was dropped on his head as a child.

  • Sid

    So Chen diligently works to reel in those who need help and not only provides no help, but actually makes things worse for those people as has been found with the application of Scientology.

    Those who need help with their marriages, babies, relationships, careers, anger issues, depression, anxiety, and communication difficulties who answer these ads are effectively blocked from real help.

    Scientology Solutions Index:
    Marriage: divorce or don’t have one.
    Babies: abortion.
    Relationships: split as it is a hindrance to production.
    Careers: That’s just wog think. Join the Sea Org.
    Anger: Yes, we sure can use you in the Sea Org. Sign here.
    Depression: Pay us. Pay us. We can handle it. No, the next level will handle it.
    Anxiety: The next level of auditing will handle that. No, I said the next level.
    Communication: Sit here and close your eyes. Now, talk to that doll and ask it, “do fish swim?”

    • Narapoid

      “Depression: Pay us. Pay us. We can handle it. No, the next level will handle it.
      Anxiety: The next level of auditing will handle that. No, I said the next level.”

      Sid, you are good.

  • Mark Cabian

    So he spent 25 hours and $25 a month and got 2 people to pay for a class. This pleases me. Scientology, you’re done.

  • valshifter

    All the efforts just to keep on making more money for Dear Leader, while paying out of your own pocket for the cell phone and hot spot services, because dear leader will give you the finger if you ask for an allowance for any type of expenses including toilet paper. The extremes of stupidity leaves me flabbergasted.

  • ze moo

    Tony Chen is an a##hat. The IP address you upload from has no effect on the craigslist ad. It all comes down to flagging and the many rebels of the red x outnumber clams 47 to one.

    Chen ‘brags’ about being able to devote and extra 5 hours per week to his project. He should have been sleeping, that is a far more productive enterprise.

  • ScientologyDoesNotExist

    Whay I want to know is: Is The Cyber Dissemination Club on the NSA’s No Fly List? Not only does the Name sound suspicious, but Tony Chen (a likely name) sure sounds to me like he’s talking in code about some nefarious plans and definitely up to no good.

    • Science Doc

      Did you say Cyborg Insemmination Club?

      • Elegant Mess

        Ha! Ew.

    • ze moo

      I think the South Park World Police need to look into this. Sounds like a cover for North Korea.

  • outraged

    That’s kind of disgusting. Teaching cultists how to post their fake classes on Craigslist so those of us protecting humanity will have a harder time.

    At first I thought that some head honcho at Craigslist was finally going to help Bunkerites and WWP’ers keep the kult off the site.

  • Mark

    Ils ne passeront pas! (Refresh):

  • Sid

    “but now I’ve got it cranking out products for me again.”

    After 4 or 5 weeks he got in 2 people. This would indicate to me that he got nobody in at all for the past month or two.

    • Pierrot

      hopefully, but let’s keep flagging and get under their skin!

  • Science Doc

    OK. What do I need to do? Do I have to hide my IP address? How do I flag an ad? How about posting a tutorial.

  • HAHAHA!!!! Merry Christmas Tony Chen!!! I almost feel bad for the guy keeping track of what ads get flagged, what browser, going around to different hot spots….but he is leading peoples into $cientology, so no, i don’t feel bad….some day he’ll get a big boy tech hat and learn how to change his IP while staying at one location!! 🙂

    • He thinks using a different browser to view the data kept on another server/cloud makes a difference.

      There are so many varieties of stupid in the above sentence that I’ll stop, lest I trigger as Miscavige Event, and begin a black hole of sheer stupidity, from which no sane thought can escape.

      • McLovin_1982

        I’ve calculated the stupid down thread…. no need to worry.

      • i know the different browsers and when he mentioned they stayed up longer with IE i went into a coughing fit i was laughing so hard…..what about netscape?! 🙂

  • PickAnotherID

    So Tony Chen is deliberately violating CL’s TOS regarding deceptive ads, and explaining to other $cilons how to do it. “Most ethical people on the planet”, my sweet eema!

  • Vaquera

    Tony Chen in the Sunday Funnies July 6, 2014 (refresh)

    Tony is the top dog of Scientology Craigslist spamming, and he admitted in a recent e-mail that the efforts by someone (hint, hint) to take down Craigslist ads has been having a major effect.

    http://tonyortega.org/2014/07/06/sunday-funnies-scientology-finally-starts-making-its-members-superheroes/

  • Panopea Abrupta

    Tony Chen and the $cilon Fail Campaign
    I love this leak.
    We are kicking their derrieres and they know it.

    Thank you, Tony O.
    And thank you all the Red-Xers, Pierrot, Dodo and the shoopers who produce and store Red-X grafix.
    Bait and switch is fraud. CL may be oblivious but we will stop them.

    Speaking of bait and switch, here’s the intro to a $cilon soft-porn (for I-Betty) -there were Amazon lynx yesterday that were amusing so I decided to try my hand.

    Straight Up and Vertical

    Tom Esterbrook

    There is an old Romany saying that he who would tell the truth should have one foot in the stirrup.
    I was at least wearing my mud-spattered black patent-leather riding boots, the ones that gave me a dashing air, as I approached the cottage door in the gathering dusk.
    A candlelight approached in the hall, answering my knock.

    The door opened slowly, insouciantly.
    “This is the session,” she said.
    She was, with her flaming red hair, as beautiful as the Scarlet Woman of Pasadena.
    Jack “Missing” Parsons would have loved her but I would have stolen her from him.
    Copper red hair, long braids, a lovely Venusian face, a white gown belted with jade squares. She wore gold slippers.
    Her eyes were like limpid rock pools in Pollyamnesia.
    She had curve and verve. She had nerve and swerve.
    Nephritis’ neckline plunged in a vain but valiant attempt to reach her IQ.

    Her heart was beating hard and fast. So too was mine.
    Her sultry look spoke of pleasure, not of pain.
    In her deep husky voice, a hint of Bulgravia or something slavishly Slav in her accent,
    she said “Would you like to come up and see my E-Meters? Would you like some tea?”
    I stuttered, stammered, mumbled yes, stepped inside.
    I love tea.

    /to be continued

    • Jimmy3

      I started reading this and had to go open my window

      • McLovin_1982

        More like a cold shower…. who knew the tech could be so sexy.

      • Stacy

        At least you didn’t jump out of it this time.

    • Science Doc

      He with one foot in the stirrup is fully prepared to ride halfass.

    • Stacy

      Thank you from the bottom of my heart for not mentioning Ron’s chest and back hair.

  • Hamtaro

    This seems like a good time for a success story. This story may or may not have actually happened, depending on your definition of reality, but I assure you it seemed quite real at the time…

    My Red-X Success Story: I’ve been Red-Xing the “4 day list” on a daily basis now for several months. Using Pierrot’s google spreadsheet and the methods from Vistaril’s excellent video, I found that with a little practice I could Red-X 400 ads in slightly less than 20 minutes. The best part is that every session of Red-Xing leaves me feeling just a little bitter better about helping to destroy the cult of Scientology.

    So there I am, enjoying a nice cocktail, just zooming along Red-Xing every clam spam ad on CL when suddenly, out of the corner of my eye, I spotted a ghostly figure hovering in the corner of my living room. “What the hell is that thing?” I wondered. As it floated towards me, all wispy and weird, I suddenly realized…that’s a damn body thetan!

    You can imagine my horror, shock and surprise. I don’t even believe in these stupid things, so what is one doing in my house? Despite my disbelief, it continued its airborne onslaught straight towards me. Stunned, I recoiled in terror as several of its comrades appeared and joined the advance. Slowly but surely a feeling of inevitable doom crept over me…

    Frantic, I decided “if I’m destined to die at the hands of these spooky imaginary space aliens, then let me go down fighting!” So as the specters approached, I just Red-Xed faster and faster. Suddenly, the most amazing thing happened: the Red-Xs literally jumped off my computer screen into the physical universe and started attacking the body thetans! Forward into the fray went a horde of Red-Xs. Minutes later, the skirmish was won. Red-X had prevailed!

    Most of the body thetans disintegrated once I’d killed them, but I did manage to catch one. I don’t expect anyone to believe this rather fantastical tale based solely on my (somewhat inebriated) description, so I’m including photographic proof (refresh!). Remember: never underestimate the power of the Red-X.

    • Mark Foster

      Hamtaro, can I get a sip of that? 🙂

      • Hamtaro

        Mi cóctel es su cóctel, amigo.

        • Mark Foster

          Gracias por su ayuda 🙂

    • Hamtaro

      Like the idiot I am, I forgot the photo, here it is:

      • Jimmy3

        I’ve never actually seen a body thetan before. They’re not so scary.

        • Hamtaro

          Easy for you to say, you’ve never been attacked by a live one. I assure you they’re quite vicious.

          • Jimmy3

            I’ve jumped out a window just reading about them before. I mean, it was on the ground floor and I probably could’ve just stepped out of it gently, but still.

    • Jimmy3

      I started reading this and jumped out my window

      • Science Doc

        Did you get a new IP address?

        • Jimmy3

          No, but I got a laugh

    • McLovin_1982

      Who said you can’t get wins from sciloontology??? This ^^^ is proof!

    • PRenaud

      ha ha way to go Hamtaro….

    • L. C. Spencer

      A real live body thetan?! Wowee! Are you sure it wasn’t just an undigested bit of beef, a blot of mustard, a crumb of cheese, a fragment of an underdone potato?

      • scottishinlondon

        Humbug! More of gravy than of the grave about this one!

        • L. C. Spencer

          Xenu bless us, every one!

    • aquaclara

      Ha ha ha. We postulated this win. And now, for tomorrow. Hmmm. Well, no, can’t do that parking spot thing-it’s the last shopping Saturday before Christmas. Better pick an easier one.

      Ok. Here we go. Tomorrow, I am postulating that your traffic lights will turn green. YES.

      Never underestimate the win of the postulate.

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      I’ll take one of whatever you’re having.

  • valshifter

    Now Galaxy press is showing on my facebook ads with an offer for the Hollydays, this is the first time I see it, they want $60 for six novels and $80 for whatever… all they want is money money money, yak what a balderdash.

    • Science Doc

      I don’t understand how they can sell a 75 year old book as novel.

  • Destructor of Worlds

    I predicted that craighslist would be Scientologies last stand:

    so be it

    • Science Doc

      Yea, sounds like an off-policy strategy. They might want to review the green on white releases on Internet marketing written in 1972.

  • Pierrot

    I could not have had a better birthday present, thanks Tony O, thank you every one, keep on cheer leading and flagging! Thank you for the trawlers and scouts.
    Go and get them!
    Thanks Grace and cars (where are you!)
    Eta: oops forgot the link, but by now you have bookmarked it : https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-Kvg78kCcvo5gL7UfPcmhmbsagTNtdj0y2LAiHVFrCU/pubhtml

    • Robert Eckert

      Happy happy birthday, good buddy!

    • aquaclara

      Happy Birthday, Pierrot! Is it today??? Sending you many returns of the day, along with gift-wrapped, shiny red red x’d ads to celebrate your day.

      You are amazing.

    • Baby

      Oh Pierrot… All of us all rolling out your birthday..xoxo we love you ..thank you for all you do! ( F5)

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuYND_k2UZs

    • Happy Birthday, Dear Pierrot!

    • Eclipse-girl

      Happy Birthday friend.
      Thank you for this effort.

      You should read Mike Rinder’s blog
      It is full of how poorly the Joburg Ideal Org is doing/
      http://www.mikerindersblog.org/

  • Synthia Fagen

    Thanks Tony. You too! You’re a hard worker.

  • rom661

    Response to Tony’s “tap tap, is this thing on?” Squeeeeal !!!!! (feedback). Happy Friday night, Tony.

    • ScientologyDoesNotExist

      Noooooooooooo. Not feeedback! Anything but feedback! I’ll tell you anything! Anything! Just. Put. That. Thing. Down.

    • McLovin_1982

      usually I have to say that when guys are talking to my wife’s boobies…. REALLY pisses me off! No offense ladies…..

  • Narapoid

    “What causes an account to become “restricted”- I don’t know, because despite having many accounts, I couldn’t find any pattern to why some accounts get “restricted”. My guess is user “flagging”.”

    re-run *ref*

  • Frodis73

    This makes me very happy. Otflmao that Tony thinks different browsers matter. Too funny and a good way to start the weekend. I think we drove JJ from Boston crazy…tony is next.

    • Eileen

      JJ’s term for us was “Internet A**holes”. I think he meant it affectionately.

  • valshifter

    Obama just stated Sony Entertainment made a mistake, he said the terrorist cannot censorship entertainment or the media or the news he said “imagine if a documentary that they don’t like gets released” hooo that goes for scientology Inc. too, Imagine if they don’t like the documentary coming on HBO in January? perfect!!!!!!

    • Jimmy3

      You have to be realistic when you look at the history of Scientology. Of course they have a history of abuse, violence, shady politics, covert operations and disgusting, morally reprehensible behavior… But they’ve never been a public-space terrorism threat. Put one in the “Pro” column!

    • Anonymous

      Imagine a President who feels compelled to make public statements about a private business decision…or to publicly take sides in other matters that are currently before criminal courts or grand juries.

      When did the US turn into a kingdom and when did the President become King?

      • Jimmy3

        His opponents clamor for his head when he doesn’t speak on any specific matter, and they chop it off when he does. What the hell do you want him to do? He’s not weighing in with anything more than ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS THAT PEOPLE ARE ASKING HIM. He’s not exerting authority, he’s RESPONDING TO WHAT HE’S BEEN REPEATEDLY ASKED TO RESPOND TO. Words, man. Words. I don’t know what you tree of liberty types want.

        • Anonymous

          It was said at Obama’s scheduled Press Conference.

          • Jimmy3

            And the POTUS just shows up at his scheduled press conferences and starts riffing? Leads off with an anecdote, sees how the mood is? Ad-lib from there? No. He’s responding to what is being asked of his office. If so many are demanding he answer about this NK/Sony thing, he can speak on it. If he refuses to, people bash him even further. It’s lose-lose.

            • Anonymous

              “I wish they’d spoken with me first,” the president said. “I would have told them ‘do not get into a pattern where you’re intimidated by these kinds of criminal attacks.”

              Sony Entertainment is a subsidiary of the Japanese company Sony Electronics. They do not need the US President’s permission (or advice) on how to make a business decision about their private property.

              He chose to first publicly lecture Sony about their business decision, before he answered the two part question he was asked…the first part of which was about the probable US response to the Korean intrusion into Sony’s network.

              The President is of course expected to comment and act on the national security aspects of this incident. The business decision is…none of his…business.

              http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2014/12/19/371894427/fbi-formally-accuses-north-korea-in-sony-hacking

            • Jimmy3

              Where did Obama instruct them on a business decision? He was speaking directly about the fear of terroristic threats. Sony is going to lose a lot of money. They didn’t make this call as a business decision, and I don’t see Obama even addressing it as such.

            • Robert Eckert

              Oh, I think it really was a business decision. They have to carry liability insurance, and running this movie unfortunately would make their rates go through the roof. Yes, the chance of a cineplex getting blown up might be small, but imagine the lawsuits if it did happen.

            • Jimmy3

              That, and they’ve already taken a huge PR hit. So yeah, it is a business decision in a sense, it always is. But how did what Obama said constitute a tyrant instructing a private business on how to manage itself. He was speaking directly about the threats to American citizens.

            • Robert Eckert

              Yes, yes, but things which Presidents ordinarily do and have been doing since the Washington Administration become outrageous overthrowns of the constitutional order when they are done by President Balack Hussein Oblackman.

            • Jimmy3

              Ah, that was a great hit of snarky sanity. Thank you. It makes me want to download an Infowars podcast.

            • Anonymous

              All of the above aside, here is one of the most frightening pictures ever put up on the web…

              A link to the story (and the picture if it does not post) : https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/12/17/jeb-bush-v-hillary-clinton-perfectly-illustrative-election/

            • Jimmy3

              They’re part of a club with only 4 current members. Their hair went gray almost overnight after assuming that office. You can assume it is due to some cultish, ritualistic initiation they suffered, or you can assume it was a stressful job and they have some horror stories they can bond over and laugh about. Seriously, two former Presidents are chatting and laughing, and you immediately see the sinister in it. That’s very telling. For all we know, they could be talking about getting crunk and chasing tail (which they probably are).

            • Anonymous

              The article is about the wealth used by Bush family to obtain political power, and the political power used by the Clinton family to obtain great wealth.

              The overall point is the corruption of the American political process into what used to be the domain of third world nations – the merging of politics and money into an end by itself … independent of ideology or service to the electorate.

            • Jimmy3

              But your comment was about the picture.

            • Anonymous

              “…your comment was about the picture…”

              Only as it relates to the content of the article…otherwise, as you mention, it is just a couple of dudes laughing.

              But as those two tend to be symbols of somewhat polar opposite policies, their (now) great wealth is an area of concern.

              Our current president went from very humble finances to multi-millionaire status as a candidate and during his first term in office. When he leaves office he will make tens of millions a year in “speakers fees” as do the Clintons. That money is PAID after leaving office, but EARNED while in office.

              Independent of parties or policies…it is an area of concern that vast wealth increasingly goes hand-in-hand with the Presidency.

            • Jimmy3

              No one is denying Presidents become wealthy men. Barack had book money pouring in before he became POTUS. Yes, that has to do with being elected as a Senator.

              But would you argue that having money has affected Obama’s decision making any way? Could you give an example of a situation where Obama has said or done something that you disagree with, and could you explain why it would have been different if he were poor?

            • Anonymous

              The “book money” is EXACTLY the point.

              This cleverly concealed bribery is a tool to funnel money to candidates and office holders that makes “legal” that which is fundamentally corrupt.

              It has been going on a long time…well before Obama…it was also done at least as far back as Reagan.

              Candidates / Presidents before Reagan wrote books too…but the usage of those as vehicles for third parties to deliver money to those candidates / Presidents (and other national political figures) has been honed in the last four decades as a way around campaign contribution / lobbying laws and regulations passed since the 70’s.

              In many corrupt third world countries…the surest avenue to acquire personal wealth has been to win an “election” or otherwise assume political office. This is becoming true in America also.

              It is a PATTERN of CONDUCT in the political process.

              It is not unique to a person or their ideology.

            • Jimmy3

              Let me ask you something. You can look it up or just give me your best guess: At which point did the Clintons obtain great wealth?

            • Anonymous

              The Clintons have made in excess of $100 million dollars on the “lecture” circuit since Bill left office and even while Hillary was a Senator and Cabinet member. This is common knowledge. I have personally seen Hillary give the same speech about 12 times.

              The concern is about wealth and politics…not parties or personalities.

            • Jimmy3

              Yes, and I agree that its a concern, as you said below, but not that it’s earned while in Office. Clinton hustled to make that dough. Same speech, mostly, but have you ever heard him speak? He brings it every time. Would you say that the Rolling Stones don’t deserve über bucks because, yeah, they’re touring, but we’ve heard that song before?

              And why would Hilary grind to win a Senate seat, fight a vicious campaign against Obama and still become the record-holder for most international visits as Secretary of State? She’s already wealthy right? The money just pours in. Damn those wealthy Clintons. When will they do something.

            • Anonymous

              The Clintons were not wealthy until they entered national politics.

              The recurring pattern of the last several decades is for Presidential candidates as well as sitting Presidents to amass significant wealth while putatively acting in the interest of the electorate. This pattern crosses party lines and is becoming increasingly common in Congress also (both Houses.)

            • Jimmy3

              The Presidency of the United States of America is quite exclusive. You don’t just end up President. You work your entire life to reach it. Obama is referred to as the 44th, but there have only been. 43. Only 43 men in history have been President. Think about it.

              I’m right there with you on getting money out of politics. I think it should be out of campaigns. Overturning the Citizen’s United ruling would be a big step. But I don’t begrudge someone their reward for reaching a position that less than 50 people have ever. And it may seem like a silly argument, but wouldn’t you rather have a President comfortable in the fact that he/she will be set for life, so that personal finances don’t factor into their decision-making? I know I would.

            • Robert Eckert

              The second and sixth Presidents were father and son, while all the others were from intermarried Virginian land-rich families. Stop talking as if this is something new.

            • Anonymous

              New, historical or in-between…the confluence of power and money as they relate to policy outcomes is a matter of concern presently, because it affects life today, especially in countries with democratic traditions of service to the electorate by those that are elected.

              The apparent polarization of the surface political class (symbolized by Bush and Clinton) hides the far more concerning issue of the assumption of power by the unelected bureaucrat class (epitomized by the intelligence “community”) that have built and implemented a dragnet surveillance capability that gives them the ability to blackmail every single person in America, including its elected leadership.

              If the concern about polarization can be mitigated by those being blackmailed somehow personally benefiting from the corruption…everything is good for the hidden actors…and life goes on like nothing has changed. And a few folks get very rich (or richer.)

              I’ve seen this movie before. It is why I left Scientology.

            • Robert Eckert

              “the confluence of power and money as they relate to policy outcomes is a matter of concern presently” As at every other period of history.

            • Anonymous

              And we are alive now…so it matters now.

            • Robert Eckert

              Yes, yes, but your pretense that this is an apocalyptic change from the Golden Age that we used to live in is just silly.

            • Anonymous

              OK…Ron…let’s all just dive into whatever corrupt practice “works”…because it’s always been that way.

              Cultures can get worse….and they can improve. Nothing is static. And nothing has always been exactly the way it is today. It is possible to learn from history and not repeat those errors. Leaning against a decline in a situation is useful, if only to call attention to it as a problem.

              If one just shrugs their shoulders to corruption because they are personally benefiting from it (or not currently affected by it) then really what you have is a macrocosm of Scientology….where Scientologists ignore horrific abuses against others…because they are personally getting “wins”…or don’t have “camera footage” of the abuses.

              Remove the personalities or politics and observe the actual conduct of the actors…that’s an analysis that can lead to improvement in a general situation.

            • Robert Eckert

              “Remove the personalities or politics and observe the actual conduct of the actors” The conduct that I see is that Obama is a very calm, cautious, and centrist politician and yet every action he takes, regardless of how perfectly normal it is, is met with over-the-top hysterical shrieking about how this is tyrannical dictatorship.

            • Jim

              What is so confusing for Obama’s critics is that he is an expert at constitutional law, and most likely doesn’t do anything before it’s vetted by members of the supreme court (off the record)

            • Anonymous

              Review the response below from the Sony Pictures CEO.

              http://money.cnn.com/2014/12/19/media/sony-executive-michael-lynton-responds-to-president-obama/

              Obama publicly lectured Sony in response to a two part question…he could have ignored the second part of the question about the movie and dealt with the substantive first part of the questions which was about a probable US response to the Korean hack. Instead he grandstanded for five solid minutes about an issue that is none of his business…period.

            • Robert Eckert

              If he talked instead about how US intelligence is going to respond, you would be denouncing him as a traitorous fool giving away secrets. You’ll find fault no matter what he does. Now as Baby suggests, take that other to cnn or whatever board you like arguing politics on and keep it off here.

            • Anonymous

              I’m fine with comments that relate to what I said…anything related to what I “would have said” is just strawman nonsense and not even close to what I actually think, which is far more nuanced than your utterly predicable, reactionary, dichotomous foolishness.

              And as far as your instructions on what I should post here or elsewhere…as I’ve mentioned to you in the past…I’m not interested in your directions.

            • Robert Eckert

              Filling up the board with political arguments irrelevant to the topic serves the interests of OSA and nobody else. You know that.

            • Anonymous

              Robert – you are a smart guy. I’ve learned from your comments.

              But bringing OSA into to this is a bit over the top.

              As a general policy, I avoid 90% of the threads that contain politics…this one I joined (but did not start) because it originally contained elements discussing influence, power and money…all relevant to Scientology. But I’ll agree it has veered into other arenas and is no longer productive.

            • Robert Eckert

              “But bringing OSA into to this is a bit over the top.” No, it isn’t. Distracting the board off on to arguments about other religions or political issues has been a major tactic.

              “As a general policy, I avoid 90% of the threads that contain politics.” There haven’t been any, for a long time because long-timers like me, Baby, Howdy, etc. squelch them.

              “this one I joined (but did not start)” There was a comparison of the North Korean situation to Scientology (Kimmy has often been seen as Miscavige-like). You are the one who turned it into a flame-war about Obama.

            • Anonymous

              None of my comments contained flames (until someone else brought out the napalm.)

              I made one observation in response to one comment by another. That observation acted as a spark that caused several others to reopen heated discussions they were apparently involved in elsewhere…as if I was involved too…which I was not.

              In essence, a couple of people were arguing with somebody who was not even present …because they choose to read attitudes and opinions that I never held or stated…into one fairly bland observation that I actually made.

              Compared to many, last night’s exchange was pretty mild and occurred entirely between people that have known each other on this board for quite awhile. There were no suspicious third parties involved…just the usual actors. It was late and not much else was being discussed.

              In any event, it is water beneath “the bridge” (heh)…how about we move on?

            • Robert Eckert

              Your very first comment was highly inflammatory. If you cannot perceive that then you need to work on your self-awareness.

            • Anonymous

              Because it seems to be so important to you…I’m going to let you have the last word.

              After this…you are talking to yourself.

            • Shanester

              Anonymous, in my opinion you are a member of the triumvirate of top commenters on the Bunker, right up there with John P. and J. Swift. I’m always happy to see your avi followed by a nice, big block of text filled with your insightful and snarky commentary, and judging by the number of upvotes you regularly receive, a ton of Bunker dwellers agree with me. (Who is your avi, by the way?)

              When the conversation segues into concerns about the slippery slope to a police state, I’m in tune most of the time with your well-argued reasons to be worried, even if I worry that those reasons sometimes start to sound paranoid. I agree we should all be alarmed about Snowden’s revelations and that there should be a much stronger hue and cry. I’m disappointed, to put it extremely mildly, that Obama has not seen fit to relinquish much if any of the Presidential power seized and amassed under his predecessor(s). That being said, I must respectfully disagree with your take on the President’s comments about the Sony Pictures hacking fiasco. In my view, he simply expressed his opinion about a matter which far exceeded the mere decisions of a private business and that his comments were appropriate and not at all imperious – especially in view of the international nature of the subject.

              One could argue that in the first instance it was complete idiocy that this movie ever got greenlighted. Who could have possibly thought it was a good idea to make a movie about assassinating a sitting head of state – no matter how despicable that head of state might be?

              I used to work for a big Hollywood studio (not Sony) as an executive assistant where I witnessed exactly how the biz operates at the highest levels, and I cannot but help feel the cold thrill of schadenfreude at this very public display of those very messy inner workings. It’s no wonder to me that George Clooney was unable to get even one other studio to denounce Sony’s decision to shelve “The Interview”; the other studios are shaking in their boots that their private matters will also be exposed, and you can be sure they are scrambling with fistfuls of cash to secure their data so they won’t be next.

              Even so, the scope and depth of Sony Pictures’ messiness is a wonder to behold. With a studio managed like that, it’s amazing anything gets done at all, and, indeed, among the Hollywood brass, Sony Pictures has always been the least shiny. Parent Sony Corp. is publicly heralded for its hands-off approach to managing its subsidiary, while privately, the other studio managers shake their heads. You can be sure that the other parent companies – Disney, Time Warner, News Corp., Viacom – are much more involved in their Hollywood businesses (just ask Tom Cruise who got dumped from Paramount personally by Sumner Redstone, who is the Chairman of Viacom, not its movie studio).

              “The Interview” did get made, however, inviting the wrath and financial resources of a terrible despot which, combined with the savvy of motivated hackers salivating over a stunning deficiency of data protection probably created a perfect storm for Sony Pictures. I sincerely wish that the studio would have stuck to its guns and released the movie, but I honestly cannot blame them for their decision. I also honestly feel President Obama’s take on the situation was nuanced and appropriate. I feel he offered a pretty gentle criticism of the whole fiasco and that any complaints about “the latest overreach of an imperial president” are ludicrously overblown.

            • Jim

              Nice post, Shanester:) You are a gifted writer.

            • MaxSpaceman

              Sony manages to screw up big in every decade since they bought Columbia Pictures and paid nearly $1 billion to Warner Bros. to get Guber-Peters out of their Warner contracts.

              (Griffin was West Coast editor of Premiere magazine and Masters was with the Washington Post). They have written a book about victims on both sides of the Pacific, and a colorful cast of accomplices who helped subject Sony to what one studio head called “the most public screwing in the history of the movie business.” — http://articles.latimes.com/1996-06-16/books/bk-15424_1_jon-peters

            • Shanester

              Thanks for mentioning this, MaxSpaceman! Sony Pictures Entertainment is infamous for stumbling from one episode to the next, and overpaying by ridiculous amounts the very players who caused the stumbling in the first place. I thought about including some examples in my rant but decided it was long enough already. The Peter Guber days of Sony Pictures are quite something to read about. Never in film history has one man spent so much money to achieve so little. (Although, indeed, Sony Pictures is certainly a beautiful campus, as well it should be after a $100 million facelift. I also hear the chairman’s office is beyond amazing, which makes sense since Peter Guber spent $10 million on it.)

            • MaxSpaceman

              didn’t mean to derail your conclusion of your thoughtful comment:

              “… he [President Obama] offered a pretty gentle criticism of the whole fiasco and that any complaints about “the latest overreach of an imperial president” are
              ludicrously overblown.”

            • Shanester

              Haha! no worries, it’s always good times reading about Hollywood shooting itself in the foot. Studios often moan that their movies are losing money, which at least some of the time is pretty much a straight-up lie — that’s where the term “Hollywood Accounting” comes from.

            • Anonymous

              “…“the latest overreach of an imperial president”…”

              I welcome your nuanced response, except for the line in (your) quotes above, which I never wrote (or thought.)

              The President took great liberty publicly lecturing Sony, possibly inspired by the negative comments made about him by executives of Sony, as revealed in some of the emails leaked by the hackers.

              None of this stuff happens in a vacuum.

              Setting up that conflict was almost certainly part of the plan by the North Korean’s as it suits their current purpose to complicate relations between the US and Japan.

              One would hope that his advisers might have kept our own President from being played like a violin. There…I said it out loud…as it appears to have been missed.

              The avatar is Clarence Gideon from Gideon v. Wainwright 372 U.S. 335 (1963)…one of the seminal civil rights cases decided by the brilliant Warren Court.

            • Shanester

              Sorry for amping up the drama with the loaded “imperial” — you definitely didn’t say that.

              I guess I’m stuck on Sony’s incompetence and thus feel the President is justified in saying what he said. I’m dismayed that another tiny little despot lording over such a dismal domain is having such a big effect, but Sony set themselves up for it.

              Kinda makes me wonder if Matsushita Corp. is in any way involved. I have a Japanese friend who told me about the legendary rivalry between the industrial behemoths of Tokyo and Osaka. To add the extra ingredient of corporate espionage and skullduggery to the mix would make this a saga worthy of the ages. (I’m kind of pretty much joking by suggesting this. Anyway you look at it, it’s a ridiculous situation. Yeah, I could see that Obama is getting played, maybe by the hackers or by the DPRK — or both — but the best part would be if it was Matsushita behind it all, bwahahahaha.)

          • Jimmy3

            Sorry about the caps, I’m not real angry or even angry with you. I think you’re good people. You just have this Alex Jonesy sense of politics that I don’t quite understand.

            • Anonymous

              Bullshit.

            • Jimmy3

              What’s bullshit?

            • L. C. Spencer

              Tony asked us not to swear. Let’s help Tony get Google Ads on his side again.

            • Anonymous

              FIFY.

        • Baby

          I’m staying out of this fight.. I’m here to fight Scientology..

          • Jimmy3

            You left a candle burning and the last article is on fire

            • Baby

              I refuse to argue Religion or Politics.. It NEVER ends well..

              Now the END of Scientology? I’ll vote on that! Cause it Ain’t Religion!

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Holy cripes! Good thing Scientology is not a religion, huh?

            • Baby

              Yep! I would have to be over on the Mooney Critics forum.. Hairy Christma ..or something like that.

            • Robert Eckert

              We Vishnu a Hare Krishna, we Vishnu a Hare Krishna, we Vishnu a Hare Krishna, and a Hare Rama!

          • Donna Cline Sargent

            Exactly !

      • Jim

        Jiminy Crickets, what would you wish different about 2014 vs 2008

      • Robert Eckert

        I read some complaint lately almost verbatim to that, about why is the President commenting on private business matters, except it was denouncing Theodore Roosevelt for commenting on the steel strikes.

      • Todd Tomorrow

        Along long time. The bush’ were in bed with Halabertin; both of them. Bombed the wrong country for profit. Stuck Obama with a depression and a war he didn’t starts. He nailed Bin Ladin the head and took out some pirates. Plus even though he is of mixed raise, like we are. He was always referred black. He pumped up the economy.. I didn’t like all he did, but who was the other choice?

  • Juicer77

    Hey guys we will need some more seats in the bunker – we can get more chairs here LOL: http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/fuo/4806308449.html

    • Dolly Jones

      I stopped and took a second look at this ad earlier. lol

      • Juicer77

        How about donating those chairs to an organization in need? Oh, wait, Co$ doesn’t do that.

    • Frodis73

      This is just more proof of low attendance…they know they don’t need most of ’em, so they sell them to raise money for the new empty building…though the avg org seems to have around 30 pp coming around.

  • noplefforatx@yahoo.com

    My thanks to everyone who beats up the clams in “Craigslist.” Your work is very important!!

  • romanesco

    IP may or may not have anything to do with how often you can post (probably not), but it definitely has to do with how often you can flag, so Chen’s advice is valuable here — if you have access to multiple ways of getting an IP address, such as a mobile hotspot in addition to a router, you can flag more than once and have it count as many times as you have IPs.

    • Jim

      Another Scientology foot bullet… they can’t speak without hurting themselves

  • Mark Cabian

    All of Tony’s cult spams (current) are posted here: http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?37423-Please-help-remove-Craigslist-Ads

  • Insouciante

    Perhaps the old-fashioned, tried-and-proven methods for luring raw meat into the shop would be more effective for Mr. Chen. Promises of sexual favors from field staff member girlies working as strip dancers in Los Angeles Mafia-owned strip clubs, have worked quite effectively in the past.

    • cdub

      it worked like this in my hometown too, was there a hat writeup?

    • Dox?

  • Sid

    I was trying to find a good NeuroSurgeon on Craigslist the other day. Then saw Tony Chen’s Ups and Downs Course that said I was PTS which was causing my physical difficulties. Just $200 bucks and I’ll be back on top baby. Unless of course I also need the PTS rundown auditing (at $800 per hour). Yeah, that should handle it.

    • McLovin_1982

      Snort… giggle… a neuro surgeon walks into a bar and says……..

      • Science Doc

        I need a drink. My hand is shaking, and I operate in 45 minutes.

        • Robert Eckert

          Scientology can help with that.

    • Science Doc

      A good neurosurgeon is hard to find. Trust me on that.

      • Sid

        I wonder if Jethro ever completed his studies.

    • Mark Foster

      Sid, here, take this pipe…

  • cdub

    ha if someone is techie enough to do all this then it is easy for them to research this cult … and they blow

  • Juicer77

    A big thank you to Pierrot and the rest of the Red-X team who compile those handy spreadsheets of Craigslist ads. That takes a great deal of time and effort, and is much appreciated by us flaggers.

  • romanesco

    “Knowing Who to Trust?” Oh, please. . . .

    • L. C. Spencer

      Exactly where my eye went. For CRYING OUT LOUD.

  • Jim

    Chris Shelton is a genius! Great video!

  • Eileen

    They may be called the “Cyber Dissemination Club” but I’ll bet they don’t have cool and beautiful daily graphic images like “The Red X Brigade”.

  • Enturbulated Masterbator

    It’s so pathetic that he has to explain basic internet terminology but I guess it makes sense for a group of people on permanent lockdown from society! And one quick search on Google Maps in streetview mode of the address listed on the CL post shows full frontal “Scientology & Dianetics” sign…yikes! But perhaps my favorite part of the CL post is “Cost: Free” — until you get up to leave the room. Ha!

  • Donna Cline Sargent

    Since I am new to all of this I find out new things or understand things almost daily. But one of the things I have wondered about,and Chris Shelton mentions it in this new video,is what does Scientology do to help the world? I have never really heard of anything. You would think the public Scientologists and at least the “Celebrities” have to see that.When they do fundraisers for things don’t they have to show where the money goes? I read some things about Tom Cruise on 9/11. I remember the touch assists (thinking whats that about),but there was a fund raiser for the First Responders, where did that money go? Because said he used his own money to open that purif rundown place.Hope you can understand what I am trying to ask.It sounds better in my head. LOL ! I can’t think of another example rite this minute,but I have seen other things they claim they are doing,but you never hear about it. I know the money goes to DM,but even as a charity and so called “church” isn’t there laws or rules about the money?

    • Robert Eckert

      “as a charity and so called “church” isn’t there laws or rules”? Yeah, you would think so.

      • Donna Cline Sargent

        but also i just don’t get how the ppl with outside access,don’t question (what are we doing to help),especially ppl like Tom Cruise.

        • Baby

          Oh Donna..It is so complex. For everyone one in there is a different story..

          Blackmail, Fair Game, Disconnection, Brain Washed.. Not giving up their eternity.. etc..
          Scared.. Imprisoned..Anything you can imagine.

          • Donna Cline Sargent

            yeah I guess its just very complicated,and they are programmed not to think about it.Would be nice to see a interview with one of them,and nailing them down on what they do to help.

          • Stacy

            They also think that we (the rest of the world) are rejecting the best possible help that they can give us- LRH Tech. So they think that what they have to do is try harder to convert more people, since that will solve more problems than engaging in services like handing out food to starving people.

    • Jim

      LEA has been trying to pull the trigger for decades. What is in their equation, who knows. I suspect they know the cult is imploding and won’t be a problem shortly. They are letting Miscavige do the work for them..

    • Sherbet

      Donna, you’ll never see the Volunteer Ministers mobilizing to troubled places with plane-loads of supplies. You will see them in their yellow shirts, passing out The Way To Happiness Booklets.

      • Donna Cline Sargent

        Thats it exactly, so its just hard to understand how they can get tax breaks for being a charity,but they do nothing.Its all so unbelievable! smh

        • Frodis73

          It’s pretty infuriating the amount of laws they break & keep getting away with it! The tide has turned though and everything is catching up with them…and it’s wonderful to watch.

          • Donna Cline Sargent

            I love when there is new idiot videos ! makes my day! very exciting this week ! These ppl are nuts,its funny,but sad. But can’t turn away from the train wreck.

          • Baby

            Yep doggie..It ALL comes out in the wash..

            • Stacy

              There she is! Got your computer problems straightened out?

            • Baby

              Thank God yes Stace. I woke up and it was gone..my hubby took it to 4 shops and one could fix it today.. ( $90) Something was burnt out..He explained it, but didn’t understand a word..ha)

              So Yay I’m back and in the saddle again.. xo

            • Stacy

              Good to hear. I took care of your candle last night, but wasn’t home tonight. I was worried until Jimmy said you almost burned down the Bunker when you ran in earlier and lit the candle. 😉

            • Baby

              Thank you Stacy.. Yawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwn I am ready for bed..It is early for me actually.. Night sweetie.. I promise to do it every day.. I will get it earlier tomorrow…

              So thank you our candle lighter.. xo

            • Stacy

              Night Baby. I’m headed that way myself. Waaaay past my bedtime.

        • Sherbet

          It’s one of the world’s unanswered questions. So far, anyway.

      • Mark Foster

        This one of the few times when ¨supplies¨ were delivered, otherwise, it´s the same ol¨ dissemination/pr playbook…
        http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/gossip/john-travolta-flying-plane-haiti-earthquake-disaster-actor-delivering-supplies-medics-article-1.197497

    • What you probably don’t understand is that staff members are simply trying to stay alive – they make very little money and barely get by. Everything staff people do is geared toward making money by selling $cientology materials and “services.” Public $cientologists are so busy making money to pay the exorbitant “service” prices they don’t have much time for anything, either. And for the most part, all of them are trying to become super-beings via $cientology so that part of their personality is so self-centered they don’t think of others. When you find organized groups within the cult like the Volunteer Ministers, they’re only taking their “help” (like touch assists for pain, etc.) to disaster scenes to get people to think better of the cult and possibly recruit new members. If you see a $cientology celebrity showing up with a charity, that is again to make people feel better about the cult. One time, Jerry Lewis asked John Travolta to be on his famous yearly telethon. Travolta turned him down and said that what was wrong with “Jerry’s Kids” were the invisible degraded beings in their neck (and some other stuff I don’t recall at the moment). $cientology and charity is about as likely as Satan dancing with an angel.

      • Donna Cline Sargent

        omg,i just don’t even know what to say! WHAT! OMG !

      • Donna Cline Sargent

        I have to try to find that John Travolta thing.Its very sad what the staff and sea-org ppl go thru. thats why i hope dm goes to prison for ever !

        • I learned about that from Spanky Taylor, who was Travolta’s liasion with Celebrity Centre for years. It happened when Celebrity Centre was still on La Brea Ave. in Hollywood, seems like it was late 1970s.

          • Stacy

            Spanky’s story is a sad one. I hated reading about it. Then again, most CoS stories are sad ones. 🙁

            • Spanky was chewed up and spat out when she was no longer useful to the regime. That’s the way it’s always been, from the time Elwrong started it all up.

            • Stacy

              I know. But her story got to me more than many of the others did.

            • If it’s any consolation, she’s done very well for herself post-cult.

            • Stacy

              That’s actually wonderful to hear. I’m so very glad. For so many people, it seems so hard to move beyond the damage done to them. I like to hear the success after scientology stories because of this.

            • The vast majority of people do much better post-cult. My story is just as bad as Spanky’s although (thank God!) I didn’t have kids while on staff. My writing career utterly bloomed post-cult. And check this out… http://www.themortonreport.com/celebrity/hollywood/the-giant-list-of-celebrities-that-departed-scientology/

            • Donna Cline Sargent

              that is a great article.thanx for the link! anymore , i would love to read them. the stories of the older days are the best !

            • MaxSpaceman

              You mean Spanky was a scientologist? Dang – now “Sundays Will Never Be the Same”
              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wqw1MGEHKNE
              Spanky & Our Gang 1967

            • Stacy

              Silly 🙂

          • Baby
            • Donna Cline Sargent

              thank you so much for that link.i love links to new story’s.

    • Stacy

      They don’t really seem to DO much at all, Donna. CCHR puts out some anti- psychiatry ads. TWTH is a stupid booklet of basic truisms that they seem to think will solve all the world’s problems. The money that some of the front organizations raise goes to making that booklet. YFHR also puts out pamphlets and videos about human rights. ABLE tries to weasel Study Tech into schools. That’s basically where any actual money spent on “charity” goes- toward booklets or videos or ads. That’s it. They don’t actually DO anything. Some “volunteer assists” at disasters. And honestly, something tells me that CoS itself doesn’t sponsor that. I bet a specific group or Org or mission does. I hope someone else will speak up about that, because I’m not sure on this. And I’m sure those “volunteers” don’t get paid for their time.

      So the majority of any monies donated to CoS’s “charity” groups goes to good ole Davey, in the end. And in the end, scientology does nothing about anything. They just disseminate booklets on the world’s problems. And honestly? Thank Xenu for that!

      • Youth for Human Rights International is a registered Fictitious Business Name. Probably to United for Human Rights. (I have to beat on the LA County website some more to confirm.) United for Human Rights has another of those mail box locations, even on the IRS Form 990s.

        Disturbing is that they seem to be receiving government money, or at least not being charged for something.

        Category:United for Human Rights

        • Stacy

          “Disturbing is that they seem to be receiving government money, or at least not being charged for something.”
          That is very disturbing. I saw your comments the other day about them not officially existing. Do you think having people sending emails asking about this suspicious situation might ignite a fire under the proper authorities to get this investigated?

          • I’d have to look at their 2012 tax form more to see if they say what that $100k/yr amount is, but it’s only a Form 990-EZ, so it’s not very detailed.

            They do claim that the LA mayor supports their YFHR Day. (Nobody want to be against human rights after all.)

      • Donna Cline Sargent

        thank you for your reply.

      • Mark Foster

        Stacy, yeah , you are correct about VM´s being run locally. In DC, when I was there, it was, truthfully, one guy…who would get others to help him with setting up a tent and giving touch assists and ¨stress tests¨. Very nice man, an artist(and a good one-cool sculptures and photography)…but, the volunteer minister thing is all about dissemination of Scientology. Charity is ¨off-policy¨ .

      • A UK radio programme infiltrated a meeting of Scientologist ‘volunteer ministers’ and recorded them explicitly stating that their purpose was to interpose themselves between victims and ‘psychs’ so as to insure that victims took Scientology courses, rather than received counselling http://scicrit.wordpress.com/2014/11/11/mind-games-scientology-verses-psychiatry-from-bbc-radio-five-live/

        All CofS front groups have this principal aim – and if they can generate some positive publicity along the way, so much the better.

        I still stand in awe of this picture (of a Volunteer Minister). Why does a ‘disaster relief’ worker need such a fancy camera? Why, to manufacture good PR by parasatising real relief efforts so as to appear to have a real charitable purpose.

        • Stacy

          Yup. No one but CoS sees a disaster as a good PR chance.

          I’ll be checking out the link on the radio program infiltration this afternoon. So cool. Bet that mission adds “are you an employee of a radio station?” to their list of questions asked of newcomers.

          • At the end, they provided the CofS with a right of reply – and the antics of the Scientologists during this exchange is also worth a listen.

            They rehearse all their tired arguments (the ‘straw man’ claim that psychiatrists believe mental illness is due to ‘chemical imbalances’) and finally resort to a nasty personal attack.

            I also think the UK perspective is useful, because it demonstrates the way in which Scientology practices are forced, without the slightest variation, on every culture they encounter.

            Enjoy!

    • romanesco

      They go to disaster scenes and get in the way, and now they have a big campaign on to discourage military PTSD victims from seeking proper care. So basically, they put a lot of money into harming people.

  • Isn’t it interesting that all that money they raise via donations for no service at all and $cientology has to put ads on mostly free craigslist? (I wrote a Complete Idiot’s Guide about craigslist and know a few things about it.) I need to know more about the Red X Brigade, I guess.

    • Science Doc

      I just googled it. You did indeed.

    • Todd Tomorrow

      I do it in the mornings with my coffee. The people are very sweet and will walk you through any questions. You just keep flagging the ads until they go down. It was first selling courses and books but now they are trying to lure parents with”daughters who cut themselves” I have an unregistered cell phone I had my buddy on his way to live in New York. I would call and nobody knew what ads were up. A clam ad out of Boston decided to lure people in to learn English. They had everything from Korean to Turkish, French. I bothered that guy for two weeks. I’d learn some Korean and get a hold of him. He spoke French in high school and he couldn’t understand a word. I taped over 3 hours but learned I could get into trouble. But one day I’ll get it on YouTube.

      • Frodis73

        I’d so love to hear that. You have called Narconon too iirc..? I love that you’re wasting their time…keeping them from real possible recruits.

        • Todd Tomorrow

          Now they have your phone number when you call Narcaloon. So the hard sell is on. At first they’d never mention, Scientology. The past couple years they vaguely mention, Hubtard and when Id ask them they’d mention Scientology. I’d say”don’t Christian Scientist don’t believe in hospitals?” It’s recorded but one actual Narcanon wanted me to bring all cash and my heroin addicted daughter and I’d get 25% off. But we had to call before getting on the plane. It’s one of the funniest calls because I told her I was bringing my Dr. Brother. He didn’t want me to carry that cash by ourselves. She broke down and I truly thought she was going to steal it. But when we weren’t on the flight we told her my daughter had needed one last heroin shot and we were booked on the later flight. Funny how she tried to keep her composure but would blow up.

          • Stacy

            I’m kind of in awe of you for doing these things. I don’t think I could do them, but it’s something I sort of wish was in me to do, if you know what I mean. Very cool Todd.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              Stacy the easiest is to help RedEx crew. You are directed to the deceptive ad and just flag it on Craigslist. This alone has saved numerous lives from losing their family’s and their life. When you see it just click on the link. I have an apple but they have a wAy to do it faster on a Pc.

            • Stacy

              I did some early on. But not easy on my cell phone (I hated sitting in front of my desktop computer any more than I had to for work, so used my phone for all extracurricular activities). Now that I have a laptop again, I’m going to start doing them again.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              Thanks and I appreciate you and so does the red exes and the ladies forced to abort, clams fourcedy to work like slaves. I’ve always believed one person can make a difference. Like the tween cutting her arms!

            • Todd Tomorrow

              .,?

            • Stacy

              You messed with them. You got them on the phone, fed them a bunch of bull, and used up their time. I don’t think I could do that. I was raised to think doing stuff like that was wrong, and I don’t think I can overcome my early upbringing to do something like you did effectively. I wish I could. I’d love to mess with CoS like that. So I’m in awe. It takes cojones to do that. Very cool.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              I started calling them when I’d be Red Exingvand soon it got so fun. The funniest things was that they did not a clue what Ada were up! They’d put me on hold and quickly grr

      • outraged

        where are the craigslist ads luring girls who cut? Those have got to come down.

        • Todd Tomorrow

          I haven’t seen them lately but they are horrendous. It shows a tween slicing at her arms. They’ll be around again. They are all trying to find the callers, ruin” The only way to stop them is to help the Red Ex crew. If you have any spare time it is any easy way to help people. It mindless work to save that girl from Hubbtard’s dangerous cult!

        • Pierrot

          WWP have complained about this ads and others related to pseudo medecine to CL. We have not seen this particular ad for months now.

    • outraged

      The cult never uses any of the money in their coffers for anything other than relining the same coffers.

    • aquaclara

      Pierrot queues up the ads every day. We know that hitting them while they are fresh helps knock them off. Also, flaggers have more success with knocking off ads closer to them regionally.

      It is easy to flag a large bunch quickly from a computer. Lousy from a tablet or phone from my experience.

      Scilons post the usual stock of “find your fail” false promises ads often, and, well, we try to make it hard for them to lure in new victims.

      See Pierrot’s link for more info…..

      • Thanks. I’m very short on spare time now but I’ll do what I can.

        • aquaclara

          Thank you. Love your comments here-you seem to know where all the bodies are buried….;)

        • Eileen

          I try to hit the areas closest to me, only takes a couple of minutes.

  • This kid wants a BT for Christmas lol
    http://vimeo.com/8386027

  • Bradley Greenwood

    I think I will make a habit to swing by Craigslist a couple of times a day. Y’wanna help me out?
    Sacramento is VERY close to me.

  • Caption Contest: “The argument at the holiday party that breaks out when Davey stands under the mistletoe” edition (F5)

    • Stacy

      I’d like to know where you found a photo of DM smiling. I didn’t think he knew that facial expression.

    • Baby

      Oh Sweetie..I can’t keep my eyes open..and I love games.. But the Santa looks like a Chubby Older Marty R.

      • Night Baby, I’m off to dreamland soon as well. Tomorrow I’ll check and see it I got any bites. Glad you have a working ‘puter 🙂

        • L. Wrong Hubturd

          I had a few that made me laugh, but too lazy right now to add the words into the picture. G’night.

  • ShoopZ

    It’s time to… (refresh)

    .

  • Snake Plissken

    Maybe Scientology’s Craigslist expert should issue a prize to the first Scientology to get someone to finally respond to one of Scientology’s Craigslist ads.

  • Erika Christensen on the cult’s Way to Happiness float in the Hollywood Christmas Parade tonight. No mention of Dianetic$ and $cientology, just how many copies have “sold” worldwide. It’s RAINING – never saw that happen before. Maybe I should do a craigslist ad – Get $cientology, Guaranteed to Rain on Your Parade.

    • Narapoid

      All the Best sister Tory! Yours were the first videos that revealed the true nature of the cult. Before I found the Bunker, there were your posts. Almost 2 years into my (?), before I found the “25 people Crippling Scientology”, I found your posts.

      I treasure you. Take care baby, and may love come walking in! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYXqb6x50lA

  • Jimmy3

    • Jimmy3

      • Jimmy3

        Way too many sorry

        • L. Wrong Hubturd

          Too many pop rocks?

          • Jimmy3

            No, I somehow uploaded duplicates. You can never have too many pop rocks.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Still not as much spam as the Scilons send out.

            • Jimmy3

              Well, you might call it spam, but others call it something else. You see, the dog is pranking Scientologists on a string-and-can party line. If I had word processing software I’d be writing for the TV.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Better than writing for pulp magazines I guess. You’ve got a talkie TV? Man, you’re hi-tech!

            • Jimmy3

              Just checked, nope.

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          It’s perfect. All it needs is a price tag.

  • KNMF

    How spiritual.

    I’m so uplifted by scientology’s never ending fight for tax-free dollars

    • Jim

      {sarcasm brackets}

  • TheMirrorThetan

    ” Where readers are free to do what they want.”

    Great, I can run through the comments section Nekkid then.
    And no one can complain because Tony said its OK.

    • romanesco

      No potty talk. Nudity OK.

  • Sejanus

    These deceptive friggers.

  • Snake Plissken

    David Miscavige’s Ideal Org program is such an overwhelming success that we now have to spend about 5 extra hours each week trying to deceive people into visiting our dying cult with Craigslist .

    • Narapoid

      Snake, that pure truth might kill or incinerate a deluded pilgrim upon acceptance. It still won’t save the cult….

  • LOL. And no mention of why the ads get flagged.

    And thanks for the mobile hotspot tip, very useful for flagging 🙂

    Maybe we need to run a group effort to find out if one browser is more effective at flagging?

  • Graham

    Just done my morning Red-Xing. Paid special attention to Sacramento. Some have been ‘flagged for removal’ but even more have been ‘removed by author’; far more than one would normally expect. I’m not actually sure what ‘removed by author’ means but it’s got to be good news. Keep on Red-Xing folks and don’t forget to give a bit of extra attention to Tony Chen’s Sacramento ads. As leader of the Cyber Dissemination Club I’m sure he’ll welcome our interest in what ‘product’ he’s peddling to the public.

  • Lurkness

    For those interested in a Bunker/SP night to see Disconnection, decided to do opening night, Jan 24th at 8pm, Beverly Hills Playhouse on Robertson Blvd. Tickets are $38 each AND there is a reception following the performance. Tickets still available here:

    https://skylighttheatrecompany.secure.force.com/ticket#details_a0OA000000ILhcGMAT

  • Pierrot

    *** RED X +–+ RED X +–+RED X +–+ RED X *** Saturday the 20th of December

    Good morning early birds and night owls,
    Thank you again Tony for all you do,
    thank you everybody for your support & good wishes.
    I eventually collapsed at 3am (SA) and I am nursing a hang-over.
    Yesterday’s post-stats score is 62 new or refreshed ads bringing our Last 4 Days slightly DOWN from 396 to 389 and the 7 days Regional List EVEN at 526.

    Let us concentrate on Sacramento, remember the Reboot Router tech to change IP, (see tips in the RedX spreadsheet tab Last 4 Days.

    RedX write up : https://whyweprotest.net/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-117#post-2494321
    RedX spreadsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-Kvg78kCcvo5gL7UfPcmhmbsagTNtdj0y2LAiHVFrCU/pubhtml

    FREELOADER Debt is ILLEGAL and CAN’T BE ENFORCED.
    DON’T route out, BLOW, Get HELP, get OUT. CALL 1-866-XSEAORG

    Real angry cat by Juicer, flickred by Aegerprimo: https://www.flickr.com/photos/120371503@N05/14529895053/in/set-72157642802079293

  • Douglas D. Douglas

    I thought Mr. Chen’s original memo was a lot more entertaining:

    Dear Super Secret Cyber Dissembler Club member:

    We (the LRH Memorial Mission of Bellevue) have had nothing
    but epic success from Craigslist in the last year. Someone actually called us
    up on the telephone and stayed on the line long enough for us to mention our
    mailing address. This is, obviously, a major win for the Tech.

    How did we do it, considering the baffling manner in which
    our Craigslist ads have been vanishing in the middle of Comm Cycles? It is due
    to my diligent application of LRH Tech during my free hours between 2am and 7am
    over the last several months. Just this additional 35 hours a week has allowed
    me to set up a “system” (I put this in quotes because it’s not really a system,
    so much as a hastily contrived “fix” that needs to be tweaked on a weekly
    basis) that is humming along like a Telex machine after a careful application
    of sewing machine oil, crumpled newspapers, and baling wire.

    Here then, are the “secrets” to getting product (wink wink)
    off Craigslist and into your own Ideal Abbatoir:

    1. Concentrate your ads in the categories BEAUTY, COMPUTER,
    CREATIVE, EVENT, FINANCIAL, LEGAL, LESSONS, PET, ADULT SERVICES, AUTOMOTIVE,
    FARM+GARDEN, HOUSEHOLD, LABOR/MOVE, SKILL’D TRADE, REAL ESTATE, SM BIZ ADS,
    THERAPEUTIC, TRAVEL/VAC, WRITE/ED/TR8, WRITING/EDITING, ETC and anything else
    you may postulate. Post in any or all at the same time. 110% of my ads are
    posted in every category, for maximum ratio of time spent to time wasted.
    (Random definitions of terms may be found below.)

    2. If your ad keeps getting “flagged” (turning into an
    attractive red x), it means that somewhere a squirrel is screaming, and we are
    winning. Just ignore the reality of the situation and redouble your efforts.
    Slow and steady wins the race, and doing the same thing over and over again,
    expecting different results each time is the path to a sane and stable society.
    If you have any doubts that this is true, Word Clear “madness” and model it in
    clay. There is no pattern, rhyme, or reason for an account to be “restricted.” If
    this happens to you, you have obviously pulled it in, and need to do a self
    generated KR.

    3. The best way to post ads (for me, anyway), is by
    “tethering” it to a “mobile hotspot” that I “imagine” is “effective.” Carry an
    empty Starbucks cup with you at all times and keep on the move frequently
    through the day. Your “IP” address will magically change with each new
    location, I think. This will enable you to “hide” more effectively, thereby
    raising your IP from -30 (Can’t Hide), past -20 (Being Nothing) to a not-at-all-disrespectable
    -8.

    4. I conducted extensive tests using a variety of different
    web browsers (Netscape Navigator, AirMosaic, IBMWebExplorer, Telex, Opera, and
    for more advanced users, Orphne, Abyss2 and Softonic). Ads posted in all of
    these tend to be more ephemeral than I would recommend, although ads in Orphne,
    Abyss2 and Softonic stayed up longer, harder, and firmer.

    Definition: Product is a pretty cynical way to refer to
    wogs. But if they’ve got any resources, they’re yours for the plundering.

    Definition: “IP Address” is an evil device created by Psychs
    in the paid hire of SMERSH. One day, when we are in control of this sector of
    the galaxy, all IPs will be assigned to proper Scientologists like myself, and
    doled out to faithful lackeys who do my bidding. Don’t say you haven’t been
    warned.

    Definition: “Flagging” is something that happens randomly
    and for no reason whatsoever. Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain.
    And your little dog, too.

    Note: If your cell phone doesn’t have a Mobile Hotspot or
    Tethering capability, don’t come whining to me about it. Buy a bundle of The
    Way to Happiness booklets from me and I will let you look at mine.

    I hope these tips help, or at least offer you some mild
    amusement. So get out there, and in the inspirational words of LRH: MAKE MONEY.
    MAKE MORE MONEY. MAKE OTHER PEOPLE PRODUCE SO AS TO MAKE MORE MONEY.

    Now scat!

    ML,
    Tony Chen
    LS/MFT

    • Dolly Jones

      Brilliant !

    • Eileen

      Very funny, it should be saved for Red Xers.

  • Destructor of Worlds

    Scientology’s solution to everything: Do more of the same:

    “Solution is to create more Craigslist accounts.”

  • just for the lulz

    pic

    • Mark Foster

      Righty-o, good chap, fo´shizzle, and so forth…

  • BosonStark

    I predict the Scientology Cyber Dissemination Club will have to be disbanded and disallowed by Mr. Miscabitch himself. Clams getting familiar enough with the Internet to send out their insemination theta to the public will soon stray to entheta on Sciloontology, Mr. Miscabitch or Dr. Hubtard himself.

    While Scientology views the Internet like shooting fish in a barrel, millions of desperate people looking for help for things like “knowing who to trust,” the people they try to trap this way are going to already have a leg up on people who walk into an Org. The people brought into a course by Craigslist, when curious about escalating prices, will have an easy resource to use to look up what’s going on during or after their first course.

    Scientology used to be such that people taking a course saw the portrait of Stalin The Commodore on the wall, were made to “hip, hip, hurray” to it, and it served to weed out people who were not willing to pursue all the answers via Scientology, or things like “being certain about certainty.”

    Scientology’s future in money-making involves splintering into even more fronts, and they will try to disassociate themselves further from Scientology and Hubbard.

    This, in turn, will make people who discover that Scientology is behind the course on “knowing who to trust” angry, real angry.

  • I wonder if Mr Chen ever pauses for a moment, and considers that he is using his own equipment, internet connection, airtime and personal time to such limited effect, while the CofS can afford to launch a huge promotional campaign… and don’t. Then ask him for a donation.

    Ironically, he is working (however ineffectively) towards the survival of the organisation, while the management is apparently in denial regarding the collapse of recruitment.

    I suppose ‘divide and conquer’ is in effect – he believes (or does not dare to disbelieve) the party line that other orgs are expanding, and is anxious to conceal the fact that his isn’t by trumpeting his strenuous efforts on-line.

    BTW, Craigslist seems to give more weight to flags that are closest to the site of the advertiser. Since I’m in the UK I doubt my best efforts would have any impact on US ads. Consequently, I searched one of the UK equivalents to Craigslist, Gumtree http://www.gumtree.com/ where I have come across Scientology ads before. I was astonished to find that there isn’t a single one.

    • Robert Eckert

      Mark asked for Gumtree flaggers back some months ago and Red X’d them to oblivion. Glad to hear they just slunk away with their tails between their legs. No-one over there has Tony Chen’s order of magnitude of confront?

      • Yes. I think it was me spotted the CofS ads at that time. Since then there has been nothing whatsoever on Gumtree – which makes me curious.

        You are allowed a number of free ads on gumtree- then they expect you to start paying… I wonder if the CofS kept signing up for new accounts (and free listings) and Gumtree caught them at it, and banned them.

        It seems strange that they should stop exploiting a source of free publicity after they had once used it.

  • Dolly Jones

    I have a quick question about Disqus. I’ve noticed that some of my replies are not showing up. When you reply in the side-bar, when replying to a reply, does that then appear below… or is it a private reply to that person or something? Can’t figure out why some show up and others don’t. And the only thing I’ve done different is reply in the side-bar that comes up when you click your own profile pic.

    • You may be replying to comments that were made in previous posts – and your replies are appearing there.
      We are in a different time zone to most people, who may be actively commenting (and replying to us) after we have gone to bed, so a reply may go unnoticed for hours, by which time there is a new post.

      Things can also get confusing in times of breaking news, when Tony might post several times during the same day.

      If you click on the ‘view comment’ link in the sidebar, it will open a new tab or window (depending on your browser) and you can see that the discussion relates to a previous comment.

      • Dolly Jones

        Thanks for the reply Once_Born 🙂

  • Mymy88

    Okay, that was easy (my first flagged). This is kind of fun lol. I think I’ll do some more.

    • I want to flag only this a55hole’s fraudulent ads. Target this crook specifically.

  • Anonymous Confused Person

    Five extra hours a week for 4-5 weeks = 20-25 hours with a results of *2* new public taking a course? Wow. STRAIGHT UP AND VERTICAL!

  • Technically it should make no difference which browser you use vs whether an ad gets flagged. Either he is wrong or craigslist is odd.

  • Stantheman

    Would it be beneficial to post Tony Chen’s letter to CL in the categories that he suggests the Scilons post on? Hang the them with their own words and all. That would be transparency

  • anonymous

    Wow. I know that guy is working for evil – but i feel so bad for him! And the other ppl to whom that memo was addressed. Some of those are basic internet concepts an elemenary school could understand. And he obviously is working really, really hard! For what? Scientology sucks!

  • aegerprimo

    Just sayin’…