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Scientology got another legal spanking in France months ago and we’re just now finding out

Jonny Jacobsen

Jonny Jacobsen

Remember when Scientology’s fraud conviction in France was upheld by that country’s highest court just over a year ago? Our man in Paris, Jonny Jacobsen, worked feverishly that day to bring us several dispatches about it.

Jonny had been covering the fraud prosecution for years, and he helped us understand just how important it was that the Cour de Cassation upheld the 2009 convictions. As one French legislator explained to him, another conviction could result in Scientology getting kicked out of the country.

Scientology’s attorneys, meanwhile, announced that they would be taking the case to the European Court of Human Rights in Strasbourg, where they would complain that they didn’t receive justice from France’s courts.

Well, we have news about that. It turns out, the European Court of Human Rights rejected Scientology’s petition months ago. Here, we’ll let Jonny explain it himself…

I just checked with the European Court of Human Rights about Scientology’s bid to take France to task over the 2009 convictions for organised fraud.

Here’s the response I got back from the ECHR press unit today on Rosenberg and Jacquart v. France.

“The application in question was declared inadmissible on 5 June 2014 by a Single-Judge formation.”

According to the court’s rules, a single judge can sit to consider an application “where inadmissibility is clear from the outset,” they explained.

In other words, the application was such a non-starter the court did not even consider it necessary to gather a full bench to reject it.

And there’s no appeal.

“Being a Single-Judge decision, there is no decision available but only the letter that was sent to the applicants to inform them of this decision,” they explained.

You will recall that in October last year France’s top court, the Cour de Cassation, rejected Scientology’s final bid to have the convictions quashed (they had already been confirmed on appeal in 2012).

The reason that was a big deal of course is that, unlike previous Scientology convictions in France — and there have been a few — this time the organisation itself was found guilty, not just a few key members.

When the Cour de Cassation handed down its ruling last year, Scientology made it clear they would take the case to the Strasbourg court. They even described the Paris setback as an opportunity.

Now, they said, they could take the case to an international jurisdiction to get the fair hearing they insisted they were denied in France.

Well, they got their ruling over the summer — and now there is no escaping the fact of those French convictions.

They also have to face up to the fact that if they are convicted as an organisation for a second time, they could, under French law, face dissolution.

How that would work in practice of course, is another story.

— Jonny Jacobsen

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on October 24, 2014 at 17:30

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  • ze moo

    Yooo Jonny, great news. How long will it take for the clampire to set off the French legal klaxon again? If the past is any clue, any day now.

  • cdub

    Honestly we’ve seen over and over they can’t help but make fools of themselves. Kick the bums out of France, yes!

  • sookiesookie

    I always admired the French for their fashion sense. Now I’m impressed with their common sense, as well. Vive la France! (Edit: I hadn’t known about the first decision being upheld by their highest court – d’oh.)

  • Panopea Abrupta

    Red-X Red-X Red-X

    Vive la France!

    Wow, what a bonus post. Thank you Tony and Jonny.
    Funny how Captain Footbullet didn’t mention it.
    Now, $cientology, THAT is what a win looks like.

    Flatten the scammers here:
    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-Kvg78kCcvo5gL7UfPcmhmbsagTNtdj0y2LAiHVFrCU/pubhtml

  • HillieOnTheBeach

    Considering that this is relatively old news to the cos hierarchy, it makes the IAS show even more pathetic.

    • ze moo

      I have not heard much about the führers tent speech, did he try to raise funds to ‘teach those French some lessons’? Surprised it got no mention, DM is going to look stupid, losing a chance to raise money on this issue.

      • HillieOnTheBeach

        To my knowledge, Miscavige did not bring it to the attention of the clams that the European Court of Human Rights doesn’t give a shit about their petty and bullshit grievances, but it didn’t stop the French contingent from convinced flag waving as they obliviously walked to the IAS tent.

    • Sid

      Look, there you are Safe-Pointing France at the Arc de Triomphe! How did it work out?

    • carpe canem

      My ARC is better than your arc. My ARC will save humanity. Your arc just blocks traffic.

  • beauty for ashes

    ahh i love paris, what an insouciant ruling! its like “scientologie, i spit in your face!”

  • Jenny Blough

    Joy!!! While France and the US share early leadership in human rights, the French built theirs by fighting against religion while the US built theirs by protecting freedom to believe. Ultimately the French recognized that religion not only is no guarantee of freedom but can be used as a deterrent to it.

    • pronoia

      Well said!

    • Pepper

      Amen Jenny

    • The Scientology crooks demean real religions.

      • carpe canem

        And misdefine the word. (And mystify the world?)

  • Legal spanking? Seems more like a hard kick in the nuts, which the cult deserved.

    Thank you, Jonny. Fine work, as usual! <3

    Bravo French Justice!

    • Lady Squash

      Why are the French so much cooler?

  • Alex De Valera

    I don’t think the association could be disbanded. There was a technical simplification of the law with changes that were overlooked by the MPs because the “simplification” was so complicated that it needed a very thorough analysis to be understood.

  • i-Betty

    I am waving my small Jonny Jacobsen flag, gleefully. Go, Jonny! Go, Jonny!

  • carpe canem

    French spankings? My… uh… friend here is giggling something about Histoire d’OT. I myself do not speak French.

    • Vaquera

      “It’s like those French have a different word for everything.”

      http://youtu.be/q_8amMzGAx4

      • carpe canem

        Merde, for example.

        • Bradley Greenwood

          Scientology is in deep merde.

          • Mark Foster

            scientology IS deep merde!

        • Stacy

          Somehow, one of the only words I remember from 3 years of French

          • carpe canem

            Well, it’s a very versatile word! Perhaps, though, it’s time for a quickie review with Professeur Izzard. (Some of this refers back to earlier bits, which we all know, n’est-ce pas? Because we’ve all watched this a dozen times, n’est-ce pas? Au moins?http://youtu.be/x1sQkEfAdfY

            • Stacy

              Lol hilarious. Never seen this guy before. Now I’m going to go find more ☺️

            • carpe canem

              Say adieu to your weekend. I recommend starting with his early performances, of which this is one.

            • Robert Eckert

              Oh my goodness, what a deep hole in your education. But you can learn so much at the Bunker.

      • sookiesookie

        I forget — is the French word for cult masculine, feminine, or Marcabian?

  • Shanester

    Vive la France!

  • Bury_The_Nuts

    Did they announce this epic win at the IAS fest???

    What? No?

    • carpe canem

      That section of Mr. David Miscavige’s presentation had to be omitted for time. When your religion is growing by leaps and bounds, you just can’t possibly cover all the highlights in one breath-taking speech! (And by “breath-taking” I mean “mind-boggling.”)

      • Peter

        And here I thought you meant “mind gagging”. LOL

    • The insane crook will hold another 3 minute “12,000 Scientologist-strong meeting” at Clearwater and, due the possibility of helicopters, will have to omit that exciting win.

    • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

      Actually, what Fleet Admiral Miscavige did at the IAS Gala was to raise millions of dollars by telling alarmed Scientologists that the Church was under intense attack and persecution in France by Nazi Psychs! If donations were not given right then and there the Tech would be lost forever!

      Lemons into lemonade-flavored money; that is Fleet Admiral Miscavige!

      • carpe canem

        Psssst, COB, the Vive la Rèsistance Freedom Eiffel Tower Keychains of Valor are a fantastic idea and we’re sure to sell hundreds of thousands. But, um, sir, making everybody watch “Army of Shadows” might not actually go over well with our French parishioners, since France actually was intensely attacked and persecuted by actual Nazis not all that long ago and it might still be a touchy subject for some of the preclears, which is nearly everybody here. The second film on your Mandatory Midnight Madness Double Bill is… problematic. It has come to our attention that the English title for Un condamné à mort s’est échappé ou Le vent souffle où il veut is “A Man Escaped.” We do not want to give anyone here any ideas. Perhaps, sir, you could decide to replace this low-quality French “entertainment” with a few hours of inspirational, educational, and trulyentertaining Scientology videos, including of course several of your own speeches and presentations which everyone always wants to see again and again. Let’s give these people something really worth the price of their $1000 tickets! What’s that? Yes sir, you are right. Popcorn is a fun and yummy treat that makes every event feel like a party, and by charging $100 for each bag, with a three bag minimum, we can definitely make a little money for the Church.

  • sums it up….

  • pronoia

    Merveilleux!

  • Free Minds, Free Hearts

    What a superb bonus post, Tony!!!

  • Observer

    Postulating a second conviction and dissolution … wouldn’t it be hilarious, should that happen, if a whale visiting France tried unsuccessfully to find a local org and was told what happened? Because you know Scientology would try to keep it under wraps. Or maybe they’d announce that all the Scientologists in France were suppressives working for the ebil psychs and had to be declared en masse.

    • Scientology will just create another fake front with another fake name and have their sole remaining customer with month show up there. And when the frauds are pointed out to the French government, the crooks will once again say “What? Scientology?! We’re not Scientology, we just support their ‘humanitarian social betterment programs” and no end of bullshit.

      • aegerprimo

        Ugh. I’m hoping they run out of energy and wherewithal for that… SOON! Globally, all over the world, on their faux fronts.

      • With narCONon firmly out of the way in France, we mainly have to watch out for “management training.”

  • nottrue

    Scientology convicted as an organisation for FRAUD…No more whining no more appeals…..

    • Observer

      There may be no more appeals, but there’s going to be a lot more whining.

    • Bradley Greenwood

      Mark VII don’t lie.

    • carpe canem

      With no case gains!

  • Mark

    Ah, that regrettably not so unique Eurospeak (or -langue or -sprache): how on earth can there be a “Single-Judge formation” when you need more than one of anything to make a formation? Good grief! Parbleu! Donnerwetter!

    Nonetheless, néanmoins or dennoch:

    • carpe canem

      Bring it. (refresh)

      • carpe canem

        Maybe because I did it wrong? (refresh…)

        • pluvo

          Relax. Happened to me too. 🙂

      • Mark

        I use Dogpile 😉

        • carpe canem

          thanks for any and all pointers

          • April

            Silly, you’re not a pointer. You’re a bull terrier.

            • carpe canem

              Grrrrrrroan. Silly, those aren’t $1,500 Prada boots. Those are $1,500 Prada chew toys. And you know how I can get sometimes. (Pointers are OK, but the constant “Over there! Over there! Over there!” can get a bit old. They need something to chew on.)

            • April

              Haha. Great cartoon. I own two big dogs, so I know to keep expensive stuff put away. Oh, who am I kidding. I don’t own any expensive stuff.

        • April

          Wow, I didn’t know dogpile was still around. Haven’t used it since our Google overloards arrived.

          • Mark

            I like Dogpile because it still doesn’t downrate sites like Pirate Bay because of copyright trolls (I think)—or else there’s DuckDuckGo—silly name, but it keeps you anonymous.

    • Que veut cette horde d’esclaves,
      What does this horde of slaves,

      De traîtres, de rois conjurés ?
      Of traitors and conjured kings want?

      Pour qui ces ignobles entraves,
      For whom are these vile chains,

      Ces fers dès longtemps préparés ? (bis)
      These long-prepared irons? (repeat)

      Français, pour nous, ah ! quel outrage
      Frenchmen, for us, ah! What outrage

      Quels transports il doit exciter !
      What fury it must arouse!

      C’est nous qu’on ose méditer
      It is us they dare plan

      De rendre à l’antique esclavage !
      To return to the old slavery!

      • Sherbet

        I believe it’s “a bord de nous, dans les campagnes.”

        • Mark

          It’s “Entendez-vous dans les campagnes / Mugir ces féroces soldats?” But it does go on for an awful lot of verses 🙂

          • Sherbet

            Well, Mlle. Johnson is going to hear about this bit of misinformation. Except she’s long dead. DeGaulle was le president when I was in school.

            • Mark

              Me too, until “les événements” of ’68, which lent an unwonted excitement to Mr. Whitmore’s classes: he used to bring in the French newspapers for us to read.

            • Sherbet

              We thought our teacher was cool, because she hung a poster of the Fab Four entitled “Les Beatles.”

            • Mark

              The French used to lump all 1960’s Anglophone rock groups under the dismissive epithet “les yehyehs” because of the Beatles’ biggest hit. Pure Gallic sour grapes, when all they could come up with was the dread Johnny Hallyday…

            • Sherbet

              There’s a blast from the past.

            • Mark

              I feel rather sorry for him: his real name is Jean-Philippe Smet, and he was recently the victim of an online death hoax after going through the wringer with his health over the last few years: http://en.mediamass.net/people/johnny-hallyday/deathhoax.html

            • Sherbet

              Is there anything you don’t know?

            • Mark

              Lots! 🙂 (I think we’ve strayed almost as far off-topic as it’s possible to go, unless it was that time we were talking about Bettie Page and Tempest Storm, remember?)

            • Sherbet

              Nope! Carry on, enfant de la patrie.

            • Mark

              Snortle! 🙂

            • Robert Eckert

              Come on, we used to talk about regicidal lampreys, and flying lemurs!

            • Captain Howdy

              I got a lap dance from Tempest Storm (or was it Blaze Star?) back in the earl 80’s at the Mitchell Bros Theater in S,F. She was kinda old..I didn’t mind.

            • carpe canem

              Well that brought back memories of things I never understood At All as a kid growing up in the Bay Area. Blaze and the Mitchells made me think of Carol and the Condor. I just did some in-depth investigations on Wikipedia and found this “H. L. Mencken is credited with coining the word “ecdysiast” – from “ecdysis”, meaning “to molt” – in response to a request from Gypsy Rose Lee for a “more dignified” way to refer to her profession”

            • carpe canem

              SF in the good old days, (Also Go Giants!)

            • thetastic

              I read every day and missed a Bettie Page chat? Damn!

            • Sandy

              I also often also think that of Espi. Some of the peeps on this web site are remarkable peeps with remarkably deep wells of info.

        • Here’s the setting by Berlioz, and his account of it during the Revolution of 1830:

          “We struck up the Marseillaise. Almost at once a holy stillness fell upon the seething mass at our feet. After each refrain there was a profound silence. This is not at all what I had expected. On beholding that vast concourse of people I recalled that I had just arranged Rouget de Lisle’s song for double chorus and full orchestra, and that where one normally writes ‘tenors and basses’ yu I had written instead ‘everyone with a voice, a soul and blood in his veins.’ After the fourth verse I could contain myself no longer, and I yelled, ‘Confound it all – sing!’ The great crowd roared out its Aux armes citoyens! with the power and precision of a trained choir.”

          You can listen and determine it for yourself. The bilingual version I posted is from the Wiki, FWIW. If it is wrong, you could probably edit it, as I’m certainly no French scholar and thus totally unqualified for that task.

      • Lady Squash

        I love that scene! Thanks

    • These Scientology crooks would probably shoot the children first since they’re not useful for anything since they have no money of their own.

      • Mark

        Apart from esclavage des enfants.

        • aegerprimo

          Yeah, don’t forget Jenna Miscavige and her book “Beyond Belief; My Secret Life Inside Scientology and My Harrowing Escape”
          http://youtu.be/k0GjZctnIE4

  • Mary_McConnell

    Thanks for the good news update. Thanks for all you are doing to keep us informed about cases outside the USA. Much appreciated!

  • Narapoid

    Tony has a great article on Anne Hildago, the Mayor of Paris:

    “Parisians have to be informed about their presence and the danger they pose,” she added. “It is not a church, Scientology, it is a movement that attacks people in distress.”

    http://tonyortega.org/2014/03/31/paris-elects-its-first-female-mayor-and-you-have-to-see-her-record-on-scientology/

  • A spanking! A spanking!

  • Vaquera

    Let us eat Caek!!

    • Mark

      Ugh, that Gallic toad!

  • carpe canem

    Come on Denmark! Time for you to do your part to make Europe the First Suppressive Continent!!!!!!!
    Help us achieve this important step in our vital efforts to clear the planet. As always, it’s more important now than ever.

    • Stacy

      Europe, the first Cleared continent…Cleared of Scientology!

      Someday we’ll get to make hopeful jokes like this about the US. Can’t wait!

    • pluvo

      The First IDEAL Suppressive Continent.

      • April

        Absolutely. France has hands down some of the most beautiful architecture on the planet.

    • Quite right. Sigh.

      The problem with the criminal organisation known as the “church” of $cientology and suing them in Denmark is that a lot of the victims of the worst human right abuses are foreign Damnation Navy victims and they just want to go home…

      But we did have a very encouraging media report of the Co$ coaching victims to take out bank loans under false pretences. More of that, please! http://www.dr.dk/Nyheder/Indland/2011/10/20/154238.htm

      The Danish government is certainly showing its tolerant side towards criminal organisations masquerading as NRMs.

      • carpe canem

        I hope the cult disappears from Denmark soon and the Sea Org-ers can return home!

  • Remy

    Expansion by the “correct order of magntitude” LOL!

    I guess that includes getting smacked down by the world’s 5th largest economy.

  • Captain Howdy

    If only I could shoop..and we didn’t joke about these sort of things.
    ….

    • carpe canem

      The new dance craze sweeping the nation: the LSB! (Lafayette sur la Baïonnette)

  • Bradley Greenwood

    Vive La France!

  • deanblair

    Such great news to begin the weekend. Viva la France!

  • Espiando

    And this is the second-best reason to break out this phrase: laissez les bon temps rouler, bitches!

    • pronoia

      Haha!

    • deathtoallpoliticians

      vous dites la verite, camarade bunkerite 🙂

    • aegerprimo

      Oui onze !!!!
      ETA: my French sucks…. I mean to say YES ELEVENTY TIMES !!!!!

  • carpe canem

    Meure la Scientologie!

  • Eclipse-girl

    Thank you Jonny J for the update.

    We are partying hard in the Bunker on the news.

    • Captain Howdy

      Did someone say “PARTIE”?

      http://youtu.be/32SkxLCZz_o

      • Sherbet

        I keep wanting to sing “We didn’t start the fire” at the chorus.

        • Captain Howdy

          Blasphemer!

          • Sherbet

            I’m speechless. No comeback for that witticism.

            • Captain Howdy

              This gem predates that atrocity and it’s the only great rock’n’roll tune the frogs ever produced, so show some respect.

            • pronoia

              So so so fun fun fun! A word not in the clam vocabulary. A certainement not of their experience – until they get the fuck out!

            • Sherbet

              I defer to your judgment as a musicologist.

            • Captain Howdy

              Except for the UK, Ireland and the Scandinavians, the Europeans generally speaking never got the handle on rock’n’roll. They learned how to appreciate it greatly and in a lot of cases like the Velvets, Stooges, Mc5, Dolls more then the average american ever appreciated their real musical treasures. They just never figured out how to really play it.

            • Jimmy3

              Top ten all time rocking from Deutschland
              http://youtu.be/qfPTC7-wCL8

      • pronoia

        Shit! I remember dancing my ass off to this. Oh Christ on a raft – ooo eee ooo!

        • Stacy

          I unfortunately have the embarrassing memory of having sung this song while drunk, with a friend’s band, who were also drunk. I’m sure we impressed the hell out of partygoers, who come to think of it, were also drunk…

      • aegerprimo

        Merci pour cette

    • I love the world-wide aspects of the ‘Bunker. For a “fringe of the Intertubes” we’re all over the planet like a bad rash. 🙂

  • Stacy

    “And there’s no appeal.”
    Jonny Jacobsen

    Yay!
    Another two-fer article day! Great day at the Bunker!

  • Sid

    For this ruling there may not be an appeal, but it certainly has an appeal to it.

    • April

      It has a certain je ne sais quoi.

  • Scientology’s attorneys, meanwhile, announced that they would be taking the case to the European Court of Human Rights in Strasbourg, where they would complain that they didn’t receive justice from France’s courts.

    That’s true, they did not. Had these criminals gotten justice, every one of these Scientology crooks would be in prison right now.

  • carpe canem

    Nancy can you hear me?http://youtu.be/-r7dveDEv-I

  • aurora50

    This part: ‘They also have to face up to the fact that if they are convicted as an
    organisation for a second time, they could, under French law, face
    dissolution.’

    Are there many court cases against the cherch in France just now, as there are here in the US?

  • April

    Counting down until the second conviction, because you know the CO$ isn’t going to change their core policies to avoid further fraud charges.

    • Hopefully this will prompt victims to file more criminal charges — except that I expect that there are already more criminal charges in the works already.

  • Bad Scientology! Naughty Scientology! They’re been a very naughty girl! You must spank them!

    Then me!

    Then me!

    Yes, you must spank them all!

    • April

      XD

      • 🙂 Out of the whole movie, the Visit To The Castle Anthrax has got to be the most laughing segment. 🙂

        • April

          Those guys are comedy geniuses.

          • That they are, it’s a real shame that we don’t have anything like it being produced these days. We need Monty Python today more than ever. 🙂

        • Stacy

          “‘I fart in your general direction. Your mother was a hamster and your father smelled of elderberries!’

          There really isn’t any part of that movie that isn’t funny.

          “He he, I told him we already got one.”

          What a happy day! ☺️

          • ROFL! Another classic!

            “We’ve already got one!” (whispers: I told him we’ve already got one)

            “May we look at it?”

        • Missionary Kid

          Castle Anthrax is a great name for the $cintology U.K. headquarters. I’m adding it.to $CIENTOLOGY STRUCTURES AND BOAT http://tonyortega.org/2014/06/12/more-proof-of-kerri-kasems-scientology-involvement-and-laura-prepon-lies-like-a-rug/#comment-1439059038

    • aegerprimo

      WTF? LOL.

      • “You’re in certain peril!”
        “Oh, I think I can handle it!” 🙂

  • Bluebonnet

    Such danger! The war chest must be doubled!

  • carpe canem

    Is everything good with you, Scientology? Because it’s all good with me! And today’s news just makes it better.

    Here, for the Bunker’s collective jumping-up-and-down pleasure, is the Craig Ferguson Cold Open Lip-Synch version of Ça plane pour moihttp://youtu.be/Loh1zZy3TMY

    This Plastic Bertrand recording came out in 1977, just as I was simultaneously becoming an adult, a high school freshman, and a sophisticated connoisseur of the New Wave. (The marching band/piccolo thing was meant to be ironic, although I may not have made that clear at the time.) Anyway, it’s been a few years but I finally, just now, got around to looking up these lyrics. It turns out that they are surprisingly nonsensical, with a certain Apollinaire-on-acid je ne sais quoi. I was particularly struck by this rather à propos passage in the first verse:
    quant a moi peu dormi, vide, brime,
    j’ai du dormir dans la gouttière

    “as for me, not enough sleep, drained, persecuted,
    I had to sleep in the gutter”

    • aegerprimo

      New Wave – J’aime cela.

  • OT However: This is breaking out all over the blogosphere, hiking forums, camping forums, off road vehicle forums, the outrage is growing.

    Modern Hiker Blog is covering the woman who is vandalizing our country’s natural resources, she has not yet been charged with any of the felonies she’s committed and posted to Social Media.

    I’M OUTRAGED AS HELL! I’m one of the unpaid volunteers that has to clean this shit up. It takes these people literally just minutes to vandalize yet the clean up literally takes anywhere from an hour up to three days some times. You can’t just scrape and chip away the stone, the contaminated rock has to be collected and packed out of the area, you can’t leave the toxic paints on the ground.

    Plus the rock has to be restored back to its natural visible condition, if possible. It means hours of hot, sweaty, difficult work to clean up these asshole’s vandalism and yet this woman thinks she’s above our laws, she’s shitting on us literally from coast to coast.

    We are Asking Obama In A Petition to get on his hind legs and say something about this rich white entitled brat using Daddy’s money to drive around our country to vandalize and shit on us. She’s not even in custody yet, she’s still out free and not only willing to vandalize our national resource again, she’s boasting that she’s going to keep doing it.

    Any way, I needed to vent my rage.

    • aquaclara

      That’s a worthwhile vent, anyway.

      Can I say that I once yelled at a man who let his 8 or 9 year-old son intentionally throw a 2 liter plastic water bottle over the rim of the Grand Canyon, not ten minutes after they arrived?

      Some people are idiots.

      • What the hell is wrong with some people!!!

        • aquaclara

          Good luck with getting the vandal stopped and arrested, D. It’s infuriating to see people get away with this sh*t.

          • Four wheel drive people are outraged, the outrage spans the whole spectrum, yeah.

            Great seeing France getting spanked, every day is good news and annoying news. 🙂

    • Jimmy3

      A few questions. Why do the rocks need to be collected to be cleaned? Those look like some big ass rocks. Why can’t you clean them on the spot? Secondly, why do you need the President to speak about a case of vandalism? That’s a little extreme and very unlikely, isn’t it?

      • They get cleaned in the field, the paint that gets scraped off has to be collected, if the rock is chipped to remove the paint, the chipped rock fragments has to be collected, it can’t be left in the ground soil.

        The Obama petition is just to raise awareness and a means for people to feel that they’re doing something about this. Nobody expects Obama to say anything about it.

        At least signing a petition lets people feel they have a voice.

        • Jimmy3

          Oh, I see what you meant. I don’t even think this “art” is all that great, anyway. But she could at least do it in chalk. They would look the same, right?

          • Bury_The_Nuts

            ….And for a lot shorter time frame.

            • Jimmy3

              Yes, and the photos will last just as long as the photos of the acrylic paintings.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Bingo. Instagram ……………and then gone.

              She mucked up my beloved Zion. I want to deck her.

            • She made her social media accounts private in an effort to hide what she’s doing by screen shots are being passed around. It’s too late, if the authorities want to go after her they have all the evidence they need, including photos of her vandalizing.

              Remember when the Moron Scout leaders knocked over that Hoodoo? That was a one-time thing and there was mass outrage. This woman is not only doing it across the country, she boasts she’ll keep doing it. 🙁

            • Zion, and she’s done Yosemite. 🙁 People are checking to see if she got Mount Baldy, people here in Southern California are checking their own photos seeing if they recognize her vandalism, trying to collect as much evidence as possible.

          • She is comparing herself to Bansky now and she’s launched off in to a feminist rant about how she’s being oppressed by men now.

            • April

              She needs a swift kick in the arse.

            • Captain Howdy

              right off the nearest cliff.

            • 🙂 Homicide is less of a crime than what she’s doing. 🙂

            • Jimmy3

              That’s ridiculous. She’s much better looking than Banksy. I imagine so, at least.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Bansky? (thought it was appropriate here)

            • LOL! Can you imagine the ego of this woman? Bansky is *art* and whoever Bansky is, he or she is not shitting on our country, Bansky’s work often gets cut out of walls and gets auctioned off. 🙂 She’s just a pathetic vandal and she wants to pretend he’s something.

            • aegerprimo
            • aegerprimo

              Nuff said.

          • Yeah, a lot of people do actually use chalk, different colors. Chalk is non-destructive, it’s not considered vandalism, a pressure wash gets it off, often it means that a backpack hand-pumped water tank has to be packed in to remove chalk. Chalk is easy.

            With a lot of these paints we have to pack in butane torches, battery-powered hand vacuums, metal brushes, and we burn the paint until it flakes and then we can scrape the rock and collect the paint flakes with suction.

            Since we’re unpaid volunteers that means money our of our own pockets.

            • Jimmy3

              That is a lot more sophisticated than I thought. My plan would be to pour water on it and wipe it off with my shirt.

            • 🙂 Yeah, we’re not allowed to use most solvents, they are usually petroleum-based and are forbidden. If possible when paint is used within about 200 yards of a road and a high pressure spray washer can be brought in, water with fine-grained white sand is used to blast the paint off. That leaves the paint flakes so minute it’s too much effort to collect the sand.

              When such vandalism is done within a riparian area, a lot of times it has to be left there, there are no approved solvents or methods for removal within riparian areas. 🙁

              This woman appears to be painting in dry areas, that’s at least something. If she gets arrested maybe a list of the sites she’s vandalized can be created and we can get a systematic effort across the country to remove it all.

      • Captain Howdy

        “that’s a little extreme and very unlikely, isn’t it?”

        Precisely. Just bushwhack her sorry ass and leave her for the coyotes.

        • Jimmy3

          That would be illegal if you are caught, sir.

          • Robert Eckert

            If she hasn’t been caught yet, what’s the chance anyone catches a shark disguised as a bear?

          • Captain Howdy

            It’s the Way of the West, jimmy.

            • Jimmy3

              2 outs bottom nine. Whatcha think?

        • The forest could use some fertilizer, yes. 🙂

          • Captain Howdy

            Bears gotta eat!

    • daytoncapri

      Shameful. Thank you for posting. Thank you for your volunteering. Sorry to get religious on you, but I consider Mother Earth to be sacred, and this is desecration. Sickening.

      • 🙂 That’s the kind of religion I totally agree with. 🙂 A lot of people volunteer their time for spray paint removal, here in SoCal we have a team of volunteers some 6 or 7 people who do nothing but spray paint removal, all out-of-pocket and they all abide by the environmental regulations for the County, City, and Federal.

        I’ve done a *lot* of spray paint removal but it’s too exhausting work. My health has taken a down turn, I was in the hospital yesterday but any way I can’t keep up with the young High School kids who do this work these days. 🙂

        Every time someone tells me that kids today aren’t environmentally aware, I tell them BS and I post photographs of kids doing clean-up work in the Angeles National Forest. The kids these days really are okay, it always seems like it’s the poor kids, middle class kids that are doing much of the volunteer work, joining aging old hippies like me who can’t keep up any more. 🙂

        • Stacy

          You said you were in the hospital yesterday. I hope you’re ok and that whatever it is, you’re starting to feel better.

          • Stupid kidney stone, first time, I work so hard in the heat that I get badly dehydrated but I finally got a kidney stone. The pain was so bad I was vomiting all over work, I think I vomited for a good four hours. 🙂

            Amusingly a hot water bottle applied to my guts eliminates the pain, I don’t need to take the pain medication I was given, at least not yet.

            I loved the CAT scan device, man what tremendous technology we have, I knew that modern medical science was amazing but I never got a chance to see it up close and personal, the CAT machine was the height of our medical science, I was really impressed.

            • sookiesookie

              Kidney stone, yikes! All the sympathy. Those things are evil. Hope it’s a thing of the “passed” very soon!

            • 🙂 Yeah, I was stupid and tried to suck it up all night, in the morning I literally kicked my son awake and asked him to take me to the hospital. 🙂

              Child birth is even more painful, everyone says.

            • Verve

              One woman on a radio show said her kidney stone was worse than childbirth. A very small sample size, but still (!).

            • Stacy

              What?! You listened to the doctor and didn’t take Niacin?! I’m shocked!

            • ROFL! Oh muh god Xenu, my implants are fulminating again! All muh BTs are plotting against me now!

              Thanks for the well-wish, I’m doing fine now, mild discomfort, no where near the vomit-inducing pain I was in 2 days ago.

              Thanks for that update, I’ll pass that around, glad to see Feds are finally looking at her, that brings a SMILE to my ugly mug!!!

            • Stacy

              Good

            • If they hurt as much as a Gallstone attack you have my sympathy. 🙁

    • Stacy

      “I dun fucked up”

      Yes, this is Gen Y people. Articulate and learned. Nice apology. (Heavy sarcasm).

      DamOTclese2, I’m sorry, this totally sucks. I noticed on the clips of this moron’s media page (from wherever) that she has this label: “leave your mark graffiti.” Yes, vandalism is ALWAYS the best way to market your artwork!

      What a fucking moron! And she probably has no idea WHY people are so upset about this (which is why she’s a fucking moron).

      Keep us posted, please?

      • Yep! She thinks this behavior is not only perfectly okay, it’s some kind of heroic venture she’s on.

    • Eclipse-girl

      it is Off Topic but the person deserves jail time. I would like 5 yrs for each ugly painting found.

      Mr E is am Eagle Scout. We leave every place cleaner, better than what we found.

      • Robert Eckert

        Did you catch any of the recent partial?

        • Eclipse-girl

          No, I did not. I have been traveling this past week.

          • Robert Eckert

            In Detroit the eclipse just taunted us, started taking a bite out of the sun less than 45 minutes before it set. But I did catch a couple glimpses.

            • Eclipse-girl

              If you ever get the chance (and it is coming in 2017 to North America) a total solar eclipse is something to plan for and chase.

            • Robert Eckert

              Toledo is on the path of totality. I don’t have to chase very far, if I’m still living here.

            • Robert Eckert

              No, it doesn’t make Toledo, but it does make Kentucky. I’ve driven further than that for less.

            • Eclipse-girl

              Definitely go.
              The path of totality is coast to coast.
              Plan ahead of time because there will be tens of thousands coming to see the eclipse.

              My wish is for clear skies for all.

          • Robert Eckert
      • 🙂 I’ve seen that also, Eagle Scouts take pride in their work, we just had an Eagle install 22 hiking signs in the Crystal Lake Recreation Area on Saturday, the Candidate got everything organized and created 4 teams, had the signs manufactured and all the hardware and everything, treated wood posts, all the signs got installed within a 6 hour period — it was some kind of new world’s record. 🙂

        And yeah, they clean up other people’s messes.

        Kids these days aren’t as screwed up as the media some kinds depict! 🙂

        • noseinabk

          Last year I chaperoned at a camp program with our school that did clean up projects and emphasized not being that person who does nothing. On the way home I was following about 5 or 6 other parents on a long country road. Every single one of them swerved out of the way to avoid some boxes in the road. WTF people? Way to set an example. Yes, I did stop and get the trash out of road. These kids are not stupid and are willing to be good citizens. Unless they see people who do what they preach, they will eventually ape what they see done.

          • Jimmy3

            What was in the boxes? Anything good?

            • noseinabk

              I wish. Just folded boxes the must have blown away. I stacked them up against the Amish guys fence since I had no room and new he would think nothing of picking them up to burn or use.

      • Jimmy3

        When I was in the Cub Scouts, my friend’s mom drove a few of us to the first meeting of the year, held at a local school. We were late getting there and the meeting had already started. But there were trash/recycling containers knocked over in the corner of the parking lot right next to where we parked. Cans, plastic bottles and general litter was strewn about all over the damn place.

        We were already late, but my friend’s mom, perhaps worried people would assume we had done this or that we simply ignored it, insisted that we clean it all up quick before we go inside. We really hustled and almost 10 minutes later we had every single piece of trash and recyclable back in the containers and moved them off the lot.

        So we go inside and take a seat in the back. After a few minutes of listening to the scout leader talk about the importance of cleaning up litter, he says something like “And now, let’s go outside for a demonstration on how we all can help!” Oops.

        • Captain Howdy

          I got kicked out of the Cub Scouts for stealing the dues money..I was framed, I swear..my mom was one of the den mothers, she left with me. I had it out with the kid who framed me, Charlie Murphy, in the playground near my house. I won the fight but he bit me in the hand and i had to get a tetanus shot. True story.

          • Jimmy3

            CHARLIE MURPHAAYYY!!! Damn why’d he bite you? Was he a werewolf or just a shitty fighter?

            • L. Wrong Hubturd
            • Jimmy3

              Never gets old. Ever.

            • Captain Howdy

              One of the funniest pieces of ALL-TIME. And I mean the whole thing. The first time i saw the “Charlie Murphy” i almost died.

            • Captain Howdy

              He was one of those bogside boney ass mics that infested my hood. The wound was so bad at first they thought it was made by a piece of broken glass. I had to get stitches to boot.

          • noseinabk

            My mom was the first female BS leaders in MD. She would have put up with that BS for 2 seconds before she proclaimed the situation unfair. She had an affinity for bratty kids.

    • Missionary Kid

      This woman is as narcissistic as LRH.

      I’d make her clean all of those up with her tongue until they’re removed.

  • aegerprimo

    Merci Jonny Jacobsen!

    http://youtu.be/fFtGfyruroU

    • 0tessa

      J’adore Edith Piaf!

  • daytoncapri

    Off-Topic but French: Les Miserables! This week-end is Les Miserables with the Miami Valley Symphony Orchestra in Dayton Oh. This production features full symphony orchestra, full chorus with the singers. Traveling Shows and local productions are often scaled down, but not this one. This is as good as it gets. $20 bucks a ticket.

    MVSO is not to be confused with the Dayton Philharmonic, which gave “Nancy the humanitarian” just about everything she wanted in her and Bart’s performance and publicity earlier this year.
    http://www.mvso.org/

    Edit: added Off-Topic but French:

    • sookiesookie

      Even more OT: I once saw Bobby Blue Bland at a bar in Dayton. His snorting was turn-off, but I’m confident that I enjoyed him more than I would any encounter with Nancy Bartwright.

      • daytoncapri

        My wife and mo-in-law said Nancy was very entertaining. At one point, she wore a cartoonish pastel outfit, got up on the conductor’s stand, waved the wand, and led the Dayton Phil on the Simpson’s theme song. Smiles all around.
        Here’s Bobby Blue Bland (as you describe him ?) http://www.theguardian.com/music/2013/jun/24/bobby-blue-bland

        • sookiesookie

          That’s the man. I liked his stuff, but could never get down with the snorting. Still, we were in town, he was in town… And amazingly, in the audience that night, the snorting was slaying most of the ladies. I must just be immune to snort-tech.

          • daytoncapri

            Hah! I admit to cringing, but he’s obviously got something good going. You saw him downtown at Gilly’s, right? http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-11899173.html

            • sookiesookie

              I wish I could remember, but Mr. Sookie says the name and year sound right to him. Good find!

  • Qbird

    The reason that was a big deal of course is that, unlike previous
    Scientology convictions in France — and there have been a few — this
    time the organization itself was found guilty, not just a few key members.

    AND! Although there was a convocation of judges, only one was necessary to see this last legal whine for what it truly was.
    The organization is unacceptable in France.

    • Captain Howdy

      WOW! That’s a whole lot of Bald.

    • aegerprimo

      Hmmmmm…… YEAH!

  • aquaclara

    And this is how it’s done. Thank you, France.
    Jonny, you’re the best-for dogging this with insouciance.

    Davey, you knew this wouldn’t remain a secret for long, right?

  • OTVIIIisGrrr8!
    • Jimmy3

      Deja Vu!

      • Vaquera

        CSNY

    • aegerprimo

      tac au tac

      • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

        NO AEGERPRIMO NO!

        It is not “tac au tac” as you say. Indeed, Fleet Admiral Miscavige has already ordered CO OSA UK Janet Laveau to handle France. And handle France she will — just as she handled the SP’s who tried to stop the IAS Gala attended by 12,000,000 Scientologists!

        • aegerprimo

          What did Janet Laveau say???? ….
          “manger pâtisserie et starter!!”
          (eat cake and choke on it)

        • Mark Foster

          oh,yeah…defiant and dauntless disappearance tech, I remember

  • Vaquera

    Youtube “Scientology Top Managers in Action”…..600,083 views and still climbing!!

  • rom661

    Nice evening thus far. The Royals have a one run lead and now this. The Royals haven’t won this game yet but COS definitely lost in France.

  • why you should never trust the tabloid media summed up perfectly….

    • sookiesookie

      Wow, I recognize exactly 2 celebrities here: George Clooney and Jennifer Aniston. I am so squaresville.

      • aegerprimo

        Ditto.

      • Jimmy3

        Just googled ‘Princess Kate’. Apparently, she’s actually a real princess of something. Haven’t finished reading yet

        • Captain Howdy

          I’m still on the fence about that Aniston girl.

          • Jimmy3

            You should get off of it. She probably has a security system, dude.

            • Captain Howdy

              All the regular dudes i know think she was the the ultimate babe and to me she’s the hot chick you’d see at the suburban mall and that’s it. She’s no Jennifer Connelly or Winona Ryder circa 90’s prime-time.

            • Jimmy3

              And Winona Ryder is the hot chick you’d see at the mall as she’s swift-walking out of a store, nervously glancing over both shoulders.

            • sookiesookie

              In Winona’s defense, I’ve always assumed she was too busy being a movie star to get her shoplifting jollies out at Claire’s Boutique like the rest of did when we were 15. Poor thing.

  • WhamBham

    “Sandy Springs warns Church of Scientology to clean up ABANDONED building”

    http://www.ajc.com/videos/news/sandy-springs-warns-church-of-scientology-to-clean/vCD38t/

    hee hee…love it…

    • Jo

      Sales must be down.

      • Mark Foster

        Davey´s scotch budget was more important.

    • That was a year ago. How are they doing these days?

    • james glass

      This info is AMAZING! Scientology spent thousands of dollars defending their purchase of the building and parking allotments before the Sandy Springs government. Now, it sits abandoned. …no Scientologists in Georgia anymore?

      This kind of protocol is rampant: Boston is an example. They had a beautiful building in a prime location. They were forced to sell the building to finance an Ideal Org. They purchased a decrepit piece of junk building in a decrepit piece of junk area of Boston, and IT sits disintegrating. …no Scientologists in Boston anymore?

      …no Scientologists anywhere anymore. Too many orgs have sold their working (???) properties for Ideal Org junk to satisfy the Ideal Org mandate.

      Methinks that Little Davie is personally purchasing the original properties with phantom buyers. Real estate is a very good investment. The orgs purchase their new sites with the net proceeds from the sales, and the titles to the new decrepit properties are “donated” to the “church”…or someone.

      [I know that ALL properties are owned by the Church. The Church is the seller.. This only makes sense if the seller is the Church, and Little Davie hisself is the buyer. A neat way for Little Davie to pad his personal investment portfolio with prime properties.]

      For Little Davie, its win-win. For the orgs, its lose-lose (the exceptions are Ideal Org properties purchased with the money donated by the few “whales”. Little Davie doesn’t care: he knows the Freewinds is sinking with no hope of recovery.

      He is packing his bags for Belgravia, wherever that is. He must already have tickets for a country with no extradition treaty with the US with his fortune parked out in a country that disallows investigation by the US government.

      Little Davie is not brain dead. He is stripping the Church and moving millions of dollars into his own pocket. Its a neat financial trick.

  • aegerprimo

    Scientologie est des ordures
    Just sayin’.

  • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

    Alexa update for October 24: *refresh for images*

    Alexa has notified they will be updating their calculation matrix in October. So expect some changes in the rankings this month.

    Tony: US rank #24,413 – down 201 from yesterday. (Average rank last 3 months: 19,498)
    scientology: US rank #55,800 – down 505 from yesterday. (Average rank last 3 months: 61,939)

    Difference: 31,387 – 304 more than yesterday. (Average difference last 3 months: 42,440)

    Clicks from India – 7,6% today.

  • Mike Leopold

    The European Court of Human Rights is a puppet of big pharma, and the German psych government.
    As I write these words, Scientology’s crack team of lawyers are preparing their appeal to the 6th interstellar court of the Galactic Confederation, where it is expected they will prevail.

    • Missionary Kid

      Well, Mike, they’re fucked there, too. Thetans run it. Yipeeeeee!

  • Lurkness

    To add to Johnny Tanks’s stats, Marty’s video recently surpassed 600,000 views.

  • 3feetback-of-COS

    It’s a good day when 1) cult gets slammed in Europe and 2) Ryan Hamilton gets to hone his legal knife even sharper.

  • Okay, there’s another show that seems to have scientology as a main theme, it’s ‘Transparent’ starring Jeffrey Tambor and it’s supposed to be really good but hasn’t reached the UK yet:

    “Back at the house of sand and fog, Bianca is explaining that she left Quinn’s house because, I think, of Scientology? Tammy says “I know you want to blame Scientology, but you know it’s always been Quinn’s way or the highway” and I dunno, Tammy, Scientology is pretty awful? I feel pretty comfortable blaming Scientology. Also where’s Bianca’s spinoff? She’s a teen WOC with a queer single mom who has to leave her house because her mother is brainwashed by Scientology? Me you and everyone we know would watch that!”

    … anybody watching it?

    http://www.autostraddle.com/transparent-105-recap-the-summer-girl-drinks-a-bloody-mary-260351/

    • 1subgenius

      Thanks for the heads up. Will search it out to watch.
      Edit: Oh wow, I think I get it with Amazon Prime!

  • edge

    The CoS has now declared french a suppressive language. Any Sci speaking french on church premises will be sent straight to ethics where he/she will be sec-checked until all traces of the romance language has been removed. This can however be avoided by buying several boxes of unsold french Basics.

    • carpe canem

      And doing what with them? Burning the Basics has surely been banned. How about burying them?

      Freedom Fries of Valor? With ketchup instead of mayonnaise? Sure mayonnaise is gross anyway, especially on french fries, but it was nice to at least have the option.

      Does this mean COB has to stop making references to Hollywood Boulevard? And what is he supposed to call his apéritifs? Booze Before Dinner? That doesn’t sound very good. “Fat Tuesday Fundraiser” doesn’t sound great either.

      Then there’s all that frenchy-sounding legalese. Thanks, Norman Conquest.

      • Missionary Kid

        You obviously haven’t tasted the mayonnaise that they use. It’s yellowish in color, and absolutely delicious. It is quite different than the mayonnaise we have here. I’ve tried to duplicate it in the kitchen, but I haven’t been able to.

        Hot pom frites with that mayonnaise is a totally different taste. I like with ketchup, but there’s no comparison. It’s an apples and oranges comparison, IMO.

        On the other hand, I don’t care what Co$ does about it. I’m just glad that they’re close to going down in one more country, regardless of how many singing clams they can march out of their bus to the IAS meeting.

        We all know that they’ll either declare victory with some twisted logic, or they’ll keep the ruling VERY quiet.

        Since $cientology usually doesn’t learn from experience and change their behavior, my money is on them getting nailed again in France and getting disbanded.

        • carpe canem

          I was just making a wee jest about the mayonnaise. I was far too busy eating everything else in Belgium to pay much attention to the mayonnaise people. I did notice the difference in color you mention, though, which made it look more like hollandaise. Oh hey! Of course it would. Funny what crosses one’s mind in the middle of the night at home, many years and even more miles away from the Low Countries. In any event, mayonnaise, regardless of the quality, is my kryptonite. My lifelong aversion borders on phobic, and includes all varieties of eggy, oily, sauces. I’d say I’d rather go hungry than eat anything with even the merest trace of mayonnaise, but that wouldn’t be true because the merest trace of mayonnaise makes me completely lose my appetite. I don’t even like seeing it on other people’s food. As with many other things, I blame my mother. I expect I was over-exposed in utero and was born with fetal mayonnaise abuse syndrome. She ate it with everything. Even on crackers.

          • Missionary Kid

            I can understand your anathema to it, growing up that way. I’d imagine that someone who ate that much of it would have a weight or cholesterol problem.

            I’m practically omnivorous. There are, however, a few foods that I don’t cotton to. One is parsley. I have no problem with someone else eating it. I don’t even mind lutefisk.

            • carpe canem

              LOL! Parsley???!!! I would have thought that parsley was the most innocuous food on the planet. Just goes to show how different we all are. I’m not a fan of lutefisk, but will eat it if it is served to me. (Unlike Icelandic rotten shark, which, well, is rotten shark.) Sushi is great. Sardines and anchovies are fine, anything canned, and anything smoked salted, kippered or dried (just not “lyed”). Salt cod, wow. Mixed with potatoes and onion and fried in bacon fat. Boiled and served with boiled hardtack and fried salted pork fat (“fish and brewis,” a traditional dish in Newfoundland), and then of course there’s bacalao. I make each of these once a year because… well… because I can.

              Of course, my entire relationship to food is really more about fortune than preference. It really is a luxury to be able to pick and choose what one is willing to eat and what one is not, and to never be concerned about whats, whens, wheres, or whethers. It’s no big deal to miss a meal or two, or more — almost two days is my personal record, due to a series of unforeseen events while traveling (I survived) — when you know that at some point in the very near future you will have access to at least a decent amount of something at least edible, and more likely than not ample amounts of a variety of things you actually enjoy eating.

              Anyway, I’m going to go have some nice kippered herring on wasa bread. (No, not really, but I could!)

            • Missionary Kid

              I once was invited to a dinner party where the hostess was (I believe) trying to fix cannoli in a special way, so she stuffed it with parsley instead of spinach. I only managed to eat about 3 mouthfuls, and I was very hungry. Parsley tastes to me very sharp and bitter. I can eat very small portions of it say one sprig of it, like is often served as a garnish, but the taste disagrees me.

              I used to not like cilantro leaves (coriander is made from the seeds of the same plant) in my salsa, but I’ve grown to love it after eating some salsa so delicious that I couldn’t resist. The reason I mention cilantro is that it is also known as Chinese parsley.

              Quite literally, when they say that tastes differ, I believe that people often taste the same things differently because of their genetic make-up. but that’s just a personal theory. There are PTC tasters, who can taste the chemical, and there are people who cannot taste it because of their genetic makeup. I have come to the theory that the same is true of people’s taste of food.

              On the other hand, I realize that there are tastes shaped by cultural differences or sometimes childhood experiences. I’ve known people who won’t eat fish because they’re afraid of choking on the bones, even though, as adults, if we chew our food, we find and remove them from fish very easily. I’ve known people who will not eat foods that are green, and others who will not eat eggs by themselves, even though they’ll devour french toast, which has a lot of egg in it, or drink eggnog.

              My ex now claims she’s allergic to fish even though she would eat tuna fish sandwiches all the time when we were together. Her fish had to have a lot of mayonnaise and other things mixed with it. She didn’t like any “fishy” taste. It’s just easier to say she’s allergic these days.

              I like pickled herring, but I won’t eat surströmming, which the poor people from northern Sweden used to eat, and is still made.

        • Jimmy3

          They make it with egg yolks, oils and Dijon mustard. That’s why it looks more yellow than what we buy in American stores.

          • carpe canem

            What do you mean “we?”

            • Jimmy3

              I meant Americans in a general sense. What do you mean “what”?

            • carpe canem

              Just another wee jest. It’s just not something that is ever on my shopping list.

            • Jimmy3

              Perhaps someday, somebody will slip a can of mayo into your shopping cart at Ellis Island Grocery. Then you might become a True American Patriot.

            • carpe canem

              lol… When did mayonnaise tolerance become the litmus test for American patriotism? Baseball, cowboys, and mid-60’s Mustang convertibles.

            • Jimmy3

              About a thousand years before Honey Boo Boo was born, that’s when.

            • carpe canem

              Oh Lord, that poor child. It’s bad enough that sideshows are now broadcast on national television, and that a staggering number of “normal people” watch them… but “Here Comes Honey Boo Boo” is even worse than paying to see a “freak” at a carnival or going down to your local madhouse to laugh at the inmates — because this inmate is just a little kid.

            • Jimmy3

              I’ve never actually watched the show. I only recognize it as a sad piece of Americana. But I read today that the show’s been cancelled because the mom has been sleeping with a scumbag who did 10 years in prison for molesting her own daughter. As if the situation wasn’t disgusting enough.

            • carpe canem

              I too am aware of it only in a peripheral, zeitgeist way. At least the network has had the decency — if that’s even the right word — to cancel the show. “I’ve stopped beating my wife!” “I say, that’s damned decent of you!”

            • Missionary Kid
            • Missionary Kid

              Here’s one of the best critiques of “reality” (actually unreality) TV from NPR http://www.npr.org/2014/10/24/358567472/tlcs-honey-boo-boo-cancellation-shows-dangers-of-exploitative-tv

          • Missionary Kid

            Do they add lemon to it?

            • Jimmy3

              Probably some do. Of course there are many different recipes. But as carpe canem pointed out, what they consider mayonnaise is closer to hollandaise sauce than American mayonnaise. Egg yolks and Dijon mustard are the main reasons it’s yellowish in color, as opposed to our white mayo.

        • shasha40

          I concur ! Davey will try another one of his brilliant foot bullets in France and be kicked out of France . Since that day in the US doesn’t look as near , I will enjoy France’s triumph !!!

          • Missionary Kid

            AMEN!

        • Barbara Angel

          Can’t find my ex-husbands family recipe for aoli. Try this one but my French sister in-law (Sth of France) never used a cooked egg yoke. http://www.food.com/recipe/classic-a-oli-french-garlic-mayonnaise-230278

          • Missionary Kid

            Thank you. I’ll have to give it a try.
            Are you up late? My world clock says it’s something like 3:30 Saturday morning there.

            • Barbara Angel

              Yep, it was 2.30 am on Thursday morning daylight saving time. Took your advice for a break, co$ atrocities can do your head in. Even stopped flagging. Thankfully we have many inexhaustible; Generals, foot Soldiers, Survivors and Witnesses, who have more fortitude in working towards the final dissolution of co$ and all its criminal activities.
              They really can be called the “co$a nostra” as their tentacles spread far and wide. Although co$ could teach the Mafia a dirty trick or several. Where would all the potential new victims be without the power of the Internet?
              I’m so deeply disgusted by the law enforcement agencies, particularly the IRS. Mr and Mrs average Joe can be behind on paying their taxes and lose their hard earned house or business, yet co$ happily sucks the life out of its multiple victims while hiding under the guise of a religion.
              Blind Freddy can see that co$ is a dangerous criminal organisation and yet….The Powers that Be are still sitting on their hands. The whole co$ thing is just so OUTRAGEOUSLY blatantly evil! What exactly has to happen? before the Authorities actually pull their fingers out of their bums and DO SOMETHING?????
              Laura’s case filed in 2009 and not expected to be finally heard and settled until 2016, is yet another shocking example of NEGLIGENCE on behalf of the Courts. This really shook me up, yep another green light for co$ to continue on with impunity. Sigh…….
              Fortunately we have *General Ortega* and many others on the job, so I can’t ‘not’ do my small part in flagging, assisting and demanding justice.

            • Missionary Kid

              It’s important to remember that you are not personally responsible for bringing down the chult. You don’t have the power to single-handedly end it. That doesn’t mean you’re powerless. It just means you aren’t responsible for what Co$ or any government agency does.

              Remember that $cientology, despite all its claims of large size and the havoc it wreaks on lives, is really small potatoes in the U.S.

            • Barbara Angel

              “chult” now that is a new one and a good one. Thank you once again for your wise advice, yes no single person can be responsible for bringing down the ‘chult’ or what the government *Doesn’t Do*, I just find the multiple Blatant injustices Outrageous. The fact that decades later with all the brave escapees speaking up, doesn’t seem to be enough. The Court cases that initially look so promising only to be *allowed* to stall.
              The chult plays with the system and the system allows it at the victims expense.
              When you say small potatoes in the U.S. are there a lot of such organisations that we don’t hear about? In Aus we are a small population so there is more tendency for stuff like this to hit the front page and the media run with it for quite some time. Maybe the U.S. population is so huge that stuff like this takes second place to the day to day gun murders? (no slur meant on the U.S.) or just disappears in the huge volume of news?
              Another thing that really pisses me off, is that fact that C/List is just another Enabler and why bother trying to save people from themselves?

            • Missionary Kid

              The problem in the past has been that former members are usually so traumatized or have PTSD, and it takes so long to speak out, and Co$ is so willing and able to have people lie that it makes prosecution difficult.

              It is video that will bring down the cult. Why do you think they’re so paranoid about cell phones? They can record the mistreatment, lies, and crimes that Co$ commits.

              It’s ironic that one of their harassment incident that they recorded, probably for DM, was also recorded by Marty at the airport. They have their cameras ready, but Marty’s camera tech exposed their stupid and vindictive behavior.

              DM can’t deny his connection to NarCONon after the video of him taking credit for it. That doesn’t bode well for him in civil court.

            • Barbara Angel

              Maybe a video will hasten the demise of narCON, but as for the other videos, all the chult has to say is that the airport attack video was not ‘authorised’ therefore it has nothing to do with him/them. So videoing Marty et al…. will be dismissed as usual.

            • Missionary Kid

              The video of Marty will be dismissed within the chult, but outside, it’s got a big reach and a big effect. The church can say anything it wants about the video, disavowing their actions, but the fact is that all three are or have been listed as executives. That’s pretty hard to get around.

              I bet that Co$ stays silent on the whole thing. Any response is going to make them look worse. That’s why I’m hoping for a public response.

              Sorry about the slow reply. I’ve had to wade through a bunch of emails, and I skipped your reply somehow.

    • vistaril_LOL

      poor Leserve will never get ou that hole, unless another airport ambush is needed.

  • deathtoallpoliticians

    i have mastered the tech
    and held the cans for days upon days
    more dollars for the ias
    here is my blank check

    i bought my status for dollars
    moving up the pecuniary donor chart
    anything to make dear cob smile
    giving money i don’t have is but a start

    yet all glory to my ideal org
    even though it seems rather empty
    the masses of wogs will surely come
    like rats marching to cob’s drum

    so sing it loud and praise him deep
    three cheers for cob
    he is an ecclesiastical hit
    or else find yourself rolling deep in the shit.

  • endoftheQ

    OT. Be afraid, Darth Miscavige, be very afraid… http://d.pr/1hyy2 😉

  • Missionary Kid

    I’m wondering if anyone can tell me how many $cientologists there are in France. It may not make any difference if they get disbanded, because they might not have very many people to disband. Of course, the good thing is that if dissolution happens, there won’t be any legal basis for the criminal organization to exist in France.

    • endoftheQ

      The french census didn’t ask about religion, unfortunately.

      • Missionary Kid

        IIRC, there have been estimates made in the last year that someone posted here. Jonny may know.

        • endoftheQ

          Aw, no probs. I thought you wanted “official” data, not that means much, I reckon that there’s actually less than half the official figures in the UK, simply because of the way the census data is collected. I did ask the ONS what the HRP figure was, but they wanted £100 to answer the question, and I was too cheap to pay. 😉

          • endoftheQ

            (refresh, svp)

  • Yay! for the European Court of Human Rights!

    And thanks to Jonny for following up 🙂

  • 0tessa

    I do hope so that the pays of Voltaire will be the first country to have Scientologie disbanded, forbidden and closed down. For us that would be a second July the 14th!

    • 1subgenius

      Calls for a Voltaire quote that’s quite relevant to the big picture:
      “Those that can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.”

      • Missionary Kid

        That fits $cientology to a T.

      • Mark Foster

        This, 47X !

      • vistaril_LOL

        That is a fantastic quote, better than the “good men do nothing” one even!

  • Jack99

    The French resistance is already hard at work kicking scientology out of the country.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHYQ5bO8bug

  • Pierrot

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    Good morning Early Birds and Night Owls,
    We have noted that although stats were closed some “orgs” were still busy on Friday and that did not spend much time posting new ads but are taking the easy way to refresh/update/upgrade old ads taking them from the bottom of the list back to the top. (Los Feliz recycles their same 3 “Mental Pain” every other day!)

    We have 129 *new* ads for yesterday. The Last 4 Days list now stands at: 433 or 25+ minutes flagging.

    Check a few note and tips at WWP : https://whyweprotest.net/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-116#post-2492042
    Or go directly to the RedX spreadsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-Kvg78kCcvo5gL7UfPcmhmbsagTNtdj0y2LAiHVFrCU/pubhtml

    The best strategy it to flag everything in the “Last 4 Days” and then come back later in the afternoon to flag new arrivals in the Daily Wip (from 4:30am onward) You can also use the reboot tech and Flag it all over again.

    FREELOADER Debt is ILLEGAL and CAN’T BE ENFORCED.
    DON’T route out, BLOW, Get HELP, get OUT. CALL 1-866-XSEAORG

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  • vistaril_LOL

    Just this for the gutless spineless US and UK politicians.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIQSEq6tEVs

    One more conviction and out????? – comment-on dit en francais “Go ahead punks my day..”??

  • xenuYESxenu

    magnifique!

  • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

    “It turns out, the European Court of Human Rights rejected Scientology’s petition months ago.”

    That is welcome news!

    One country doesn’t let Scientology get away with irreligious behavior as religious rights.

    Excellent news.

  • California

    Merci.

  • Adrien Marcel Drea

    conviction on a second time will be ban and this time they shan’t escape let’s see what is going to happen i na few month

  • Adrien Marcel Drea

    the last wednesday they had a lecture about dianetics at the paris celebrity center two persons were there the event cancelled after 15 minutes….

  • Ardent

    Such pleasing news! Thanks Jonny for all the work you put in to keep the Bunker informed.

  • Anonymous

    “Now, they said, they could take the case to an international jurisdiction to get the fair hearing they insisted they were denied in France.

    Well, they got their ruling over the summer — and now there is no escaping the fact of those French convictions.”

    Justice is sometimes slow, but the tide had definitely turned on Scientology’s ability to defraud people, then attack them for complaining about being defrauded. People the world over are aware of the multi-decade pattern of deceit and betrayal perpetrated by the senior leadership of Scientology, even if the organization’s own rank and file choose to remain willfully ignorant.

  • Adrien Marcel Drea

    mister PIERRE DU BARREAU and his beloved and faithful wife” happy pepper face” are going pretty soon in RPF …. lol lol lol who’s gonna run in the californian desert ? lol lol

  • I’ve posted a revised, expanded version of this piece over at Infinite Complacency, examining its implications in more detail; http://infinitecomplacency.blogspot.com/2014/10/cased-closed_28.html

    • Barbara Angel

      Thank you so much for this cheerful news. Big shock to co$ when they find out they can’t bully government as they did and *still do in America*. It’s taking such a long time to dissolve this organised criminal racket, it can be disheartening sometimes, but at least thanks to the internet, it’s actually FINALLY starting to happen.

  • Adrien Marcel Drea

    bravo !

  • Adrien Marcel Drea

    one more case to come in news the aubert school investigation

  • Adrien Marcel Drea

    there is also charges pressed by former ARCADIA employees fired that’s gonna be a case in court for french scientology too yesssssssssssssssssssssssssss

  • Adrien Marcel Drea

    not to forget the belgium trial

  • Adrien Marcel Drea

    next spain ?
    italy ,the sardinia boublil case ?
    the gloria lopez case in france ?