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Former Scientologist indicted in financial scheme that victimized other ex-church members

Frank Pate

Frank Pate

On August 13, a man named Frank Pate was indicted on federal wire fraud charges in the Eastern District of Texas. According to Pate himself, who has written a short blog about his legal troubles, he was arrested in Phoenix on September 2 and arraigned in Texas later in the month. At the arraignment he entered a plea of not guilty.

Pate was the CEO of something he called the Infinity Companies, an investment firm. According to the indictment, from July 2004 to April 2013 Pate perpetrated “a scheme and artifice to defraud persons and to obtain money and funds from persons by means of false and fraudulent pretenses.”

The indictment accuses Pate of using new investors to pay off earlier investors, a method which is known as a “pyramid” or “Ponzi scheme.”

The amounts are not in the Bernie Madoff range. The indictment states that proceeds from the scheme amounted to about $1.8 million. However, the method is interesting. Pate is a former Scientologist, and several of the people claiming to be victimized by him are as well.

“He took advantage of it,” one victim tells us. “In the beginning he would sort of quote Scientology, giving sort of an off-beat version of it” in order to build confidence in an investor.

One person who helped the FBI investigate Pate is Michael Laws, a former Scientologist who lives in Texas. Laws tells us he invested with Pate about ten years ago, heard complaints about him, asked for his money back, and ran into stiff opposition from Pate.

“It was vicious,” Laws says, but he eventually got his money back. When the FBI later asked for his help, Laws says he was willing to give it. He tells us he knows about ten people who say they were victimized by Pate, and some — but not all — are former Scientologists.

One of them talked to the Underground Bunker on condition that we not name him. The person insisted that it made sense to trust a former member of Scientology with financial transactions.

“Most Scientologists are really ethical people. I know that sounds Pollyanna, but it’s true,” the person says.

The person says he’s out tens of thousands of dollars, and doesn’t expect to get it back. “Nobody’s going to get any money back, but the point is to stop him.”

According to a timeline Pate put together at his website, in 1967 he was born in Tustin, California to a military family that was Roman Catholic. He got involved in Scientology in the 1990s, joined staff in Tustin in 1997 and left the church in 2005. He continued to practice Scientology outside of the church with other former members. He also indicates that he has worked on a book about his experiences in the church.

In his blog, Pate says that he’s determined to fight the charges, which he characterized as “out in left field”: “As we start to move forward to address the charges, we are already seeing many elements of the case that are way out in left field. This is not surprising. What has been so fascination bound is how much closer my wife, family, and a few friends have become during this whole proceeding.”

The indictment accuses Pate of enticing people to invest in his business of trading foreign currencies, but then “instead of using the investors’ money for trading foreign currencies, Pate used the investors’ money for his own benefit.”

Scientology watchers will be reminded of the case of Reed Slatkin, a Scientologist who bilked investors (many of them other Scientologists) out of hundreds of millions of dollars in what was one of the largest Ponzi schemes in history until Bernie Madoff was exposed. Slatkin was sentenced to prison in 2003 and released last year.

Here’s the indictment of Pate. We’ve emailed him at his website, and if we hear from him, we’ll add to the post.

 

Frank Pate Indictment

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on October 14, 2014 at 07:00

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  • Some Tuesday haiku
    Least I’m not a Sci and have
    a quota to meet!
    #Thursday2pm #StatPush #Scientology #haiku

    Scis help world peace
    There’s no wars, disease crisis,
    or protests…oh wait….
    #haiku #Scientology #KillingTreesForWorthlessPamplets

    Scientology
    Taking sane, rational folks
    Making them insane
    #scientology #YouAreSupposeToHELP #haiku

    Clearing the planet
    Of all the cash it can grab
    Sci church: Greedy Grubs
    #scientology #haiku #GreedyGrubs #HowManyBILLIONYouNeed

    Donated money?
    You’ll get a huge framed paper
    and requests for more!
    #scientology #haiku #TheyAlwaysAskForMore #SellAKidney

    Unfulfilled, hollow,
    broken and alone is how church
    will leave you. THEIR fault!
    #NotYOURFault #haiku #scientology #GetOutNOW

    Sci ‘church’ not a church
    They do not care ’bout your soul
    Care only for cash
    #haiku #scientology #NotAChurch

    This ‘church’ will crush you,
    destroy you, isolate you,
    then claim it’s YOUR fault.
    #haiku #scientology #ARealChurchWouldNotDoThis #Abuse

    Scene of deathbed
    No words of comfort by church,
    Just requests for cash
    #haiku #scientology #WeKnowThisIsTrue

    Your life is improved?
    No freedom, broke, some enslaved
    How does this help you?
    #scientology #haiku #SeriouslyThisHelpsHow #THINK

    Clearing the planet,
    how? Human rights abuse?
    Human trafficking?
    #haiku #scientology #ClearingFreedomOfOthers

    • Baby

      Brilliant..Thanks Tia Maria..xo

    • DodoTheLaser

      Clearing the planet,
      how? Human rights abuse?..

      You nailed it, Miss Tia.

      • sad that that is a true fact….one day that will BE stopped!

    • aquaclara

      Beautiful Haikus. And your hashtags are smashingly funny.
      Thanks, Miss Tia.

    • Espiando

      Way To Happiness
      Leads to further riots and
      Arrests. Good work, guys.
      #haiku #scientology #ferguson #save$ontoiletpaper

      • oh thank you!! i will be using that one (and giving you credit!) might be in a day or two, that’s has spurred a few other TWTH haiku! 🙂

    • joan nieman

      Profound and so true. Good work Tia

  • DodoTheLaser
  • Observer

    “Most Scientologists are really ethical people. I know that sounds Pollyanna, but it’s true,” the person says.

    It sounds like Pate was following his “ethical” guru to the letter:

    “THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN CONTROL PEOPLE IS TO LIE TO THEM. You can write that down in your book in great big letters. The only way you can control anybody is to lie to them.”
    – L. Ron Hubbard, “Off the Time Track,” lecture of June 1952, excerpted in JOURNAL OF SCIENTOLOGY issue 18-G, reprinted in TECHNICAL VOLUMES OF DIANETICS & SCIENTOLOGY, vol. 1, p. 418

    • Dr_Orpheus

      “THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN CONTROL PEOPLE IS TO LIE TO THEM” Your quoting Hubbard out of context!!!!!! I actually heard that excuse used by a Scientologist,

      • Baby

        OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN..

        • Observer

          The only problem is that it sounds even worse in context.

      • Observer

        I’d love to hear their explanation of a context in which that means anything different than what it says, especially given the fact that Hubbard himself controlled thousands of people, and continues to do so 28 years after his death, by lying to them.

        • Graham

          I’m guessing the context is along the lines of:

          “THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN CONTROL PEOPLE IS TO LIE TO THEM. However, I’ve no wish to control anybody. And that’s the truth. I mean, would I lie to you?”

        • Baby

          I think he meant..” The only way you can control people is if I lie on them.
          and now that he is dead..Or you know the whole meat body thingy

          it is.. If Krusty lies on them.

        • Dr_Orpheus

          I think the excuse was that Hubbard was explaining how corrupt organizations control people and giving an example of what not to. Scientologists don’t need to lie because the truth is always on their side or something like that. The excuse wasn’t very believable to wogs I’m afraid.

      • Robert Eckert

        Reading the whole context makes it even worse.

        • Anonymous

          And more expensive.

      • grundoon

        Ok, here it is in context.

        You get this thing restimulated, restimulated religiously, and you go along fine and you say, “It’s truth – it’s truth.” Then you go down and pray, and you ask for a new bicycle for Christmas, and by goliy he doesn’t give you a new bicycle, and you say: “Somebody is lying to me.” You go out and you pray for rain and the drought gets worse. You give the church a new stained glass window, and it still doesn’t rain. Next year you put in an irrigation system.

        When you speak of “The Creator” you are probably speaking of something entirely different than implanted religion. Religion is always different than truth. It has to be, BECAUSE THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN CONTROL PEOPLE IS TO LIE TO THEM. You can write that down in your book in great big letters. The only way you can control anybody is to lie to them. When you find an individual is lying to you, you know that the individual is trying to control you. One way or another this individual is trying to control you. That is the mechanism of control. This individual is lying to you because he is trying to control you – because if they give you enough misinformation they will pull you down the tone scale so that they can control you. Conversely, if you see an impulse on the part of a human being to control you, you know very well that that human being is lying to you. Not “is going to”, but “is” lying to you.

        Check these facts, you will find they are always true. That person who is trying to control you is lying to you. He’s got to tell you lies in order to continue control, because the second you start telling anybody anything close to the truth, you start releasing him and he gets tougher and tougher to control. So, you can’t control somebody without telling them a bunch of lies. You will find that very often Command has this as its greatest weakness. It will try to control instead of leading. The next thing you know, it is lying to the crew. Lie, lie, lie, and it gets worse and worse, and all of a sudden the thlng blows up. Well, religion has done this. Organized religion tries to control, so therefore it must be lying. After a while it figures out (even itself) that it is lying, and then it starts down tone scale further and further, and all of a sudden people get down along this spring-like bottom heresy) and say, “Are we going into apathy and die, or are we going to revolt?” And they revolt because you can only lie to people so long. Unfortunately there is always a new cycle of lying. As I use the word “Religion” it has nothing to do with the word “God”.

        5206C25C – TECHNIQUE 88: “OVERT ACTS, MOTIVATORS & DEDS”
        A lecture given on 25 June 1952.

        In Hubbard’s own voice, at about 2:21: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7hcIYEHZCo

        Note that the oft-cited reference, “JOURNAL OF SCIENTOLOGY issue 18-G, reprinted in TECHNICAL VOLUMES OF DIANETICS & SCIENTOLOGY, vol. 1” does actually take it out of context. That reference is just a jumble of out-of-context quotes notable for their battiness: “…. Regret is trying to make time run backwards …. The only way you can control people is to lie to them…. Decision is sanity. The degree he’s capable of decision determines his sanity…. Sex is a harmonic of aesthetics and pain…. Theoretically, if you were high enough on the tone scale, you could run matter as an engram and disintegrate it ….” (ellipses in original, I did not change a thing).

        • sizzle8

          Thanks for finding the full quote in context.
          He tells you what he’s doing. There’s a lot of truth in that quote – part of the cheese in the trap.

        • daytoncapri

          Good stuff grundoon!

        • Lady Squash

          Hubbard was a genius at describing his own game. It was a very disarming technique. You just never figure a social deviant is going to tell you exactly how he is going to f*** with your head and your pocket book. But there it is. In his own words. Thanks for finding the context. The context makes it worse rather than better if one is trying to say how innocent Hubbard was of lying.

          • Stacy

            Oddly, many psychopaths do tell you exactly what they plan to do to you. They will also frequently lie just for the hell of it, but they do tell you the truth as well. Counter to Hubbard’s statement, both can be used to control and scare people. My sister is a psychopath, so I go to see this first hand. Started me down the road to Criminology

        • Stacy

          “Sex is a harmonic of aesthetics and pain.”

          This is definitely one of the creepier LRH quotes.

          Thanks for posting the entire LIE quote. I’ve never seen the whole thing before.

    • Observer

      *refresh*

      • Baby

        You got it Girlfriend..I love your quoted ones.. oh shit I love them all..

      • Look at me: “The Daddy of Doozies”

        • Artoo45

          You’re really more like the Uncle of Unctiousness . . .

      • Joe Hurtado

        I know this is THE shallowest of interpretations, but L. Ron, despite his sci-fi shenanigans, was not much to look at and offered no attractive physical qualities that I can see (female, despite my icon pic.) He was no prize physically and his intellectual “gifts” were, surely, enough to make the sanest scram.

        I can only imagine that his “deep” and highly “meaningful” philosophical meanderings were meant to function as wedges into females’ panties. And they seemed to work well. He reproduced far too much for us normal folks to be comfortable with and not look at askance wondering if he and his genetic anomalies are running around out there…

        He doesn’t seem like someone who could charm the ladies or whom they would have swooned over or had fond memories about. To the contrary, he seemed like a creepy, unevolved sort who would have labored at glad-handing to overcome his obvious physical deficits. And he succeeded enough times to make a meal of the poor underlings and the three legal wives.

        Was he really *that* charming and sane-sounding? I realize this is cult and “cherch” hindsight, but he’s a sick-looking, ugly creep to me. The glasses, the hat, the curling cigarette smoke and all of the lies really don’t make him any more attractive than most of our local homeless people. At least I know they once had a soul before they hit upon the worst of times…

    • Stacy

      In my opinion, I think we can safely interpret Pate’s quote as:

      Ex-scientologists are vulnerable people, and if I blow smoke up their asses, they’ll give me all their money, just like they used to give it to DM.

      • Anonymous

        The climate of attitudes inside Scientology is so twisted on the subject of money, especially the responsible stewardship of money, that various forms of fraudulent investment schemes have taken hold as fads every few years, for decades.

        IMHO the money-crazed culture of Scientology facilitates these fads, because those fraudulent fads are hard to distinguish from the larger fraud of the Scientology “bridge to total freedom.”

        • Stacy

          Did these fads also occur under LRH, or only after DM took over?

          • Anonymous

            Both, although the sheer mendacity of the frauds seems to have increased over time. In Hubbard’s time many of the situations were more local (or able to be hidden more easily) as the ability to broadcast them (via the internet) was less.

            • Stacy

              I was thinking about long-term members insisting that everything was groovy in CoS until DM took over. Obviously, it wasn’t, since LRH was LRH. But wasn’t sure how much scamming was going on by public at that time. I expected staff and Sea Org to be pushing fraudulent means of coming up with ways to pay for services. I wasn’t particularly clear in pointing this out. Sorry.

            • Anonymous

              Everything was definitely not groovy during LRH’s time. But I think many would concede that the overall atmosphere in the church was significantly less hostile than today, for a variety of reasons.

              It does seems that the closer one was to Hubbard, the more likely one was to personally experience or at least witness localized atrocities.

              Over time, as the organization became more entrenched, the hostility that was once localized, was exported elsewhere until eventually the entire organization was consumed.

              Add it the twin elements of the more altruistic people fleeing over a period of decades and the eventual consolidation of virtually all power into one very hostile, uneducated tyrant and you have the recipe for the seething, bizarre situation that currently manifests itself as the Church of Scientology.

              The current reputation of the organization speaks for itself and that well deserved reputation is based on actual history.

            • Stacy

              “Add it the twin elements of the more altruistic people fleeing over a period of decades and the eventual consolidation of virtually all power into one very hostile, uneducated tyrant and you have the recipe for the seething, bizarre situation that currently manifests itself as the Church of Scientology.”

              I think this is also the formula for the church’s death. No organization can function successfully or for long in that kind of paranoid, delusional, asocial setting. It’s killing itself from within, as Tony has pointed out before. Maybe we should be doing everything we can to increase that poisonous atmosphere and help hasten it along.

            • Anonymous

              I agree with everything except the last line (which I assume you meant in jest.) There are still some good people trapped inside that need to be rescued. The senior leadership needs to be brought to justice.

            • Stacy

              Last one was in jest

              To your last line: very much so.

            • Lady Squash

              Stacy, in my humble opinion, the demand for money that the Church imposes on its members is an element of a heightened level of schemes and scams Scientologists try to run on other Scientologists. Since it is all for the Bridge, somehow that makes it okay. It’s weird. There was probably less of it in Scientology heyday. For one thing, the Bridge was not originally so fantastically expensive.

            • Stacy

              Thanks for your input. So many people have such differing perspectives on LRH and CoS. If nothing else, LRH was a complex person before he went crazy!

            • rom661

              I remember sitting in a room in the basement of the Manor, now Celebrity Center, reading his “biography” for the first time. I was 20 years old, naive, maybe not all that bright, but that is the first time the alarms went off for me. I simply knew it wasn’t remotely possible for all that bullshit to be true.

            • daytoncapri

              Yeah, some of us saw the BS a little too soon. You were not managed very well. In my case, they left some advanced material laying out, I moved from PTS to SP very quickly in my own mind, and that is what I told my handler in my exit interview. He gave an astonished look as he responded “No, you’re not, you can’t be…”

            • Anonymous

              When I first saw Hubbard’s bio (or at least the first version of it I read, as there were several floating around, each contradicted by the other) I was surprised by the absence of any notable external validation of the claims made by the church about Hubbard’s achievements. Outside of the organization’s own publications there was almost nothing of substance…it seemed the learned literature was almost entirely silent on Hubbard either favorable or negative. This seemed odd, to say the least.

            • Lady Squash

              I remember having a similar response to his bios. I had gone into a mission and had asked if they had a biography or an autobiography they could recommend. I was told there was no such thing and was directed to a dust jacket on one of his books. “That’s all you need to know,” I was told.
              For a religious leader of the fast growing religion in the world not to have been the subject of a biography written by a respectable biographer, seemed odd. It was a red flag, one of many I chose to ignore.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Whoa! And how much longer did you stay in? I cannot seem to remember.

            • rom661

              L. Wrong – A few months. Until they sent me to the midwest to reg a young woman who lost her leg in a car accident and received a large settlement. She believed that Scientology could restore her leg. I was told that was OK, just get her to L.A.. My last day.

            • You can grow Limbs back I said. What a rascal I am.

              -Ron

            • rom661

              Sorry. After almost 40 years this still makes me very angry. Not much of a sense of humor about it…

            • Lady Squash

              What the Church asked you to do is disgusting. And you should be pissed. The whole world should be pissed about it. Well, maybe not the third world. They have to worry about getting clean water to drink. Still, it’s disgusting; revolting; and diabolical.

            • Stacy

              You weren’t far in at that point, were you? You still understood real world morality and ethics. You did a great thing there, standing up for a valid belief- not to harm another.

              Certainly isn’t a topic to be humorous about.

            • Lady Squash

              Good for you rom661. I’m proud of you.

            • Stacy

              Did you convince the lady to use the money for medical treatment, I hope? Or did you blow before you talked to her. This story would have a really great ending if not only you got out of CoS, but were able to save the girl from CoS too.

            • rom661

              I spent a day with her. She agreed to get some counseling and emotional assistance. I talked to her a couple of times over the next year or so. I told her Scientology was a fraud. I can’t imagine that she ever got involved.

            • Stacy

              You’re so awesome. ☺️

              To me, that’s the best kind of behavior in the world. That’s remarkable. Thanks.

            • rom661

              That’s nice of you but it was just doing the right thing in a black and white situation. It’s the gray ones that give me problems. And it’s easy to look good compared to Scientology ethics.

            • Stacy

              With scientology directing the show, it could very well have been a gray situation. You didn’t let it be one. And you got out of there. And you helped that lady along the way. So, I say remarkable. Too many people fail to see the heroics in acts of kindness like these. Especially considering you came from CoS. I know you said not deeply, but it was still there. So yeah, remarkable. And a serious act of kindness. Think you’ll just have to live with the accolades.

            • rom661

              No heroics. Just common decency. But thanks for the kind words. Night.

            • I ate planets for breakfast.

              -Ron

            • rom661

              L.Ron – That’s nice. Unfortunately you published what you shat afterwards.

            • Stacy

              Going back and rereading your comment, I was struck by something you said. That LRH’s false biography drew people in. Did it really? Reading now, 50 years after he created it for himself, I find it laughable. I think, “no man does all those things, and if he does, there’s proof. So where’s the proof?” But the 50s were a very different time. Did his lies make him seem like a wonderful man to the raw meat back then? As someone larger than life?

            • Anonymous

              It was so much harder to check on information back then, pre-internet. Today one can fact check a 200 page book in two days on the internet. Make it four days if one wants to do some leg work.

              Pre-internet the same fact checking might take two months by real professionals, if it could be done at all.

              There was not a giant collection of easily reachable ex’s nor had many of the atrocities we all now know about even happened, nor were those atrocities indexed in blogs like Tony’s (and elsewhere.)

              So yes (speaking for myself) there was little reason to think that Hubbard would deliberately lie about being a decorated, wounded WW II veteran, a George Washington University graduate or, or, or, etc.

              It was definitely a live and learn situation.

            • daytoncapri

              I had joined in the 70s, soon I was reading Kaufman’s book which revealed many of the secrets…like body thetans.

            • Anonymous

              You were prescient indeed…congrats!

              Today there are probably 30 or more books available via instant download with similar information. And if one searches Google for Scientology, there are millions of links. Most go to very disturbing information.

              Hence, the decline and withering of the organization.

              Scientology cannot withstand deep inspection without discovery of it’s malevolent core.

              Most people now never even try, because the exterior veneer of benevolence has long since been stripped away and shown to be fraudulent.

            • daytoncapri

              Thanks so much for the kudos, it means a lot to have it come from you, Anon.

              At the time, I was reading and demonstrating LRH’s stuff – and non LRH stuff – voraciously. They could not have held me. I was squirreling before I joined Scientology, and was squirreling while in it.

              One might say that I had duped Scientology, rather than the other way around, although it was not intentional on my part in the beginning. The tech worked so well for me in the beginning, and the Dayton Mission folks seemed thrilled to witness it. They thought I had so much of a future with them that they waived most of my fees. They fast-tracked me, treating me as a prodigy and an inspiration. But you know, maybe I was just their Forrest Gump.

              Scn is loaded with BS, stupidity and evil, to be sure. Still, when an Ex talks about “good times,” and missing some of it, I can relate. It doesn’t change the fact that we Exes found solid and non-reversible reasons to leave.

              My personal story wasn’t bitter. It’s easy for me to smile as I converse with a wavering Still-in or a nostalgic Ex.

    • DodoTheLaser

      You mean all those things Hubbard wrote in Dianetics book about state of Clear were lies? No way!

      • rom661

        I don’t know that they were necessarily lies. Perhaps a lot of MU’s. Or quite possibly we assumed it was written in English, albeit bad English, when maybe it was a galactic language that looks like English but has a completely different meaning.

        • Lady Squash

          The “galactic language” excuse. Very creative.

    • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

      Ponzi meets Dale Carnegie (add a dab of Crowley and E Doc Smith)

      PS: The “church” of Scientology refund in house policy includes never paying the customer his repayment/refund from banked monies, but only pay it back from newly received donations. Sort of Ponzi-ish and official “church” of Scientology refund/repayment policy.

    • SirRalliart

      That has not been my experience in the 18 years that I was part of the cult. In fact, IMHO these are the most unethical beings on the planet and will do seemingly anything to advance themselves in the cult or “up the ‘Bridge’,” especially when it comes to money. I can’t count how much money I lost in “loans” to these people. Apparently, they thought that they could pay me and others back in some future lifetime or alternate universe. Sure, there are a couple that are truly honest, but that amounts to about 2-1/2%!

      It’s astonishing how much deception and back-stabbing goes on inside those doors.

      • DodoTheLaser

        Holy shit! Good to see you here, brother.

      • Moonshot

        Indeed…..I went into business with one of my best “friends”…what could be better than starting a business with another Scientologist right? He stole a TON of money from me. Once I figured out what he was doing, I informed him we were going to end the business. We made an agreement as to how we would split up the remaining funds and assets. He then when to the bank and wrote a counter check taking out funds that were not part of our agreement.

        He was not yet “Clear” at that point in his Bridge progress. Funny thing is, he proceeded up the Bridge all the way up to OT8 over the next ten years. Never once did he come to me to make amends or repair the damage. He never repaid any of the stolen monies. This thing with him was one of the big factors that showed me what bullshit the Church was.

        I guess in all those many SecChecks and Ethics handles it never mattered to this guy or the Church how he blatantly ripped me off of substantial amounts of cash. The most ethical people on the planet? PLEASE.

        • DodoTheLaser

          Because, hey, OTVIII is great!

          Sorry you never got your money back.
          Thanks for sharing your experience, Moonshot.
          It may help others.

        • Stacy

          It sounds like you knew from the first theft that you wouldn’t be getting your money back.

          How awful. Sorry you went through this with someone who was supposed to be your best friend. Nothing makes up for that kind of betrayal.

        • Anonymous

          Very underhanded, and can be very persuasive. It is difficult to tell when they are lying because they do it so easily without conscience. Sorry he took such advantage.

      • rom661

        In my days, in the mid 70’s, I think that statement re: being ethical might have been mostly true, especially for those on the bottom rungs like me. People, often with issues they were struggling with, looking for an answer. I’ve no idea what it’s like today. I suspect the longer you stay the more the insanity seems legit. My first serious ethical issue in terms of something I was instructed to do to another human was when I bailed.

      • Jon Horwich, former husband of Diana Hubbard and father of Roanne was ripped off of $250,000 ~~ a quarter of a million dollars by Frank Pate.

        • Lady Squash

          I upvoted, but not because I am happy Jon Horwich was ripped off. I just like a good irony.

        • Stacy

          I’m starting to think Pate is just another personality for Miscavige. They’re not really two separate people at all. In fact, maybe after LRH dropped his meat sack, his thetan split in two, and one part took up residence in DM, and the other in Pate. Seriously, all three men are cut from the same, diseased cloth, aren’t they? Despicable!

      • doug

        It’s safer to deal with a rattlesnake than a Scilon. We all know the EP of Scilonville is to become a duplicate match of the leader, who was a narcissistic psychopath – thereby making a Scilon one by definition. I’m happy my family disconnected from me when I bailed this racket, as the only way to deal with psychos is to have nothing whatsoever to do with them ever again.

    • 1subgenius

      “Most Scientologists are really ethical people. I know that sounds Pollyanna, but it’s true.”

      “I’m as honest as the day is long. The longer the daylight the less I do wrong.”–Madness (Shut Up)

    • Spectator

      The quote isn’t from Pate but one of his net losers (AKA, victim).

      Still, the point is most Scientologists aren’t ethical. They may be good natured, nice, naïve, lacking in critical judgement, or whatever, but they aren’t ethical. “The greatest good for the greatest number” is the height of self-serving behavior.

      I wondered how long it would take to have a new Reed Slatkin. The answer is, obviously, not too long! Because Scientologists have been brainwashed or bullied (sec checks, O/W writeups, etc.) into weak thinking they lack the critical skills to correctly judge a person, especially criminals!

      • “Ethics” and “Morals” are empty vessels. You can determine what you put in it.

        -Ron

    • Heey. I can’t help it’s the bleeding thruth.

      -Ron

    • allioops

      i found very,very,few “ethical” scientologists. Much divorce, some adultery, and many schemers in the group.

    • George Diaz

      Wow, how ethical of him. Just like his big daddy, Hubbard. Good observation, Observer. 😉

  • Baby

    Awww Pate.. Come on now..You’re making Scientology Look Bad. They have a reputation to maintain.

    oops I was wrong. You are maintaining their reputation!

  • Once_Born

    I can’t see the indictment document in Firefox or Google chrome – it reads “You are not allowed to view this document”.

    Permissions issue?

    • Bavarian Rage

      Same. I thought it might be my iPad issue.

      • Baby

        see my response to Once born Bavarian

        • joan nieman

          and you said you were going to bed! Get going now.

          • Baby

            Hahaha.. Just woke up! xo

    • Baby

      Tony wrote

      “Here’s the indictment of Pate. We’ve emailed him at his website, and if we hear from him, we’ll add to the post.”

      You and Baviarian must have missed it OB

      • DodoTheLaser

        It’s just a glitch, Baby. The link is there.

        • Baby

          Well.. thanks ha.. I will edit my post sweetie..

          • DodoTheLaser

            No problem. It is confusing sometimes.

    • DodoTheLaser
      • Once_Born

        TU

        • DodoTheLaser

          YW

    • Graham

      When you get the ‘you aren’t allowed’ message it’s usually possible to access it by clicking on the link Tony puts above and to the left of the document (In this case the link says ‘Frank Pate Indictment’)

    • Once_Born

      I can see it now.

  • Baby

    Oh and about your book..and the person that is assisting you..

    As you have written on your blog..

    ” The logic behind this is that since she is a Dr. of Sociology, and has a
    Phd, additionally with her being multi lingual and speaking 4 languages
    fluently, this will open up many more markets for the book to be
    released to this fall. ” ( This sounds like Scientology Blarney)
    ………………

    Every Con Man is a manipulative liar.. This is one book I will pass on.

    • Stacy

      I wish Pate had bothered to mention who “she” is. And how a doctorate in Sociology hadn’t been working “in Society” all along. Also, I have to assume Pate’s creatively (sarcasm) titled blog, “A Blog,” is an accurate depiction of his writing abilities. Definitely not interested in reading his book. He found a publisher?! Yeah, right. Maybe Author Services, Inc…

      • Baby

        Yeah really.. He was afraid we would Hearsay it Stacy.. I hate Thiefs, liars and scam artists and He is all 3. ugh

    • ze moo

      Perhaps you would like to invest in this book? For only 50k you too can get a piece of the action. Film and TV rights not included.

  • “I used to think that the brain was the most wonderful organ in my body. Then I realized who was telling me this.” — Emo Phillips

    The part of his thinking that still tells him that (ex) Scientologists are the most ethical people on the planet also assures him that it’s true even though he realizes that it sounds Pollyanna. *sigh*

    • Baby

      Yep..

    • Golden Age of Blech

      Like the monkeys in The Jungle Book. “We are the kings of the forest. We all say so, so it must be true!”.

    • 1subgenius

      “When I was little I prayed to God for a bicycle, but then I realized God doesn’t work that way so I stole one and asked for forgiveness.”–Emo Phillips

      • Mooser

        “”When I was little I prayed to God for a bicycle, but then I realized God doesn’t work that way…”

        Me too. That’s when I started praying for a motorcycle, instead.

        • L. Wrong Hubturd

          Hey Moose. Where ya been?

        • Artoo45

          Moose! Moose! Moose! Moose! (sung to the tune of Chug! Chug! Chug! Chug!)

  • Espiando

    Hmmmm, money given for exchange used for inurement instead. Sounds like he’s practicing orthodox, on-Source Scientology, as defined by the two people who have led the cult.

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      Yeah, I don’t get what’s wrong. Isn’t it in the scripture ? Survival. Rip off anyone else’s art, money, what have you. All the scientologist “reg’s” do it to other scientologists all the time.

  • DodoTheLaser

    Hmm.. Can we get a Table of Contents?
    http://www.frankpate.com/2014/09/22-sept-2014/

    • Baby

      Hey Pate.. We want a name of your ” Dr.”

      Dox or STFU

    • chukicita

      Sweet baby Xenu if these few paragraphs are any indication of this man’s ability to “write,” I cringe at the thought of an entire book authored by him and a nameless sociologist.

      • DodoTheLaser

        But wait, there is a movie deal too! Yeah…

        • Is there a themed amusement park along with the movie?

          • DodoTheLaser

            Of course.

          • Observer

            Yes–Conney Island.

    • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

      “…..my wife and I were in Phoenix to file a civil action against a past business partner for their attempt to involve me and my wife in a money laundry scheme…”

      Pate wrote the above as his first day’s entry to his blog.

      Then he goes on to describe his arrest moment in this same blog entry.

      I always like to hear both sides of people’s delusions about what they think they are experiencing.

      Pate’s thinking his ex partner wanted Pate to engage in money laundering!

      I’m sure this will get more complicated, some of those details will come out in the case, but other details likely will never make it public.

      Scientology’s false memory belief instilling system of past lives auditing and body thetan clusters being in one’s body, does help exercise a person’s false memory abilities which to me does relate to their creation of bad ideas and beliefs of what is reality around them in life.

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        Not money laundering. A “money laundry.” You know– where you go to clean money.

        • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

          “How could it be that way?” (this is a Scientology Course Room Supervisor’s study aid tool question that is allowed, it’s a piece of one of the Study Tapes, something I used thousands of times, and still resonates, it’s just a Devil’s Advocate mentality a training person uses, I did this question to the students or to myself while helping them out and finding the suitable reference to help them clear up something bonehead that Hubbard said.)

          Well, how this tiny abode that Hubbard lived in, reminds me of his pull along trailer he lived in for a time at Jack Parsons Pasadena home in the late 1940s, reminds me of the Bluebird mobile home Hubbard was happy enough to die in.

          He was a monkish person, he wasn’t your Howard Hughes super rich lavish reclusive guru. He strained to even have upper middle class “standards”.

          In private, he was satisfied with quite cramped quarters when you trace his housing history!

          Hubbard could so easily be upstaged on so many fronts by his followers’ far greater ostentaciousness.

          His own ecological damage footprint was small for the wealth he hoarded.

    • Mary_McConnell

      Too funny… no copyright on it that I can find. BTW, his ego must be the size of Texas to post all this and more from earlier on over at his About page. Note he posts about his indictment and arrest . Seems to have an MU on the word indictment, lol
      http://www.frankpate.com/about-frank/
      “2012 He and family assist with Veterans who were wrongfully detained in Lancaster PA. Thru Honor the Soldier 501(c)(3)

      2013 Travels the Eastern sea board, north to south, doing additional
      Veterans Non Profit work assisting in wrongful foreclosure/evistions.

      2013 Begins working on book deal about Scientology experiences over 12 years.

      2013 Learns about wine making, and begins process of locating property for the making of a small working winery in VA.

      2013 August TX court appearance for a Veteran, finds Texas TRCP
      747(a) redacted by Gov Perry and AG Greg Abbott. Effectively prohibiting
      the help of indigent people without means or education to represent
      themselves in Foreclosure/evistions proceedings in Texas.

      2013 Continues with assistance to veterans on financial issues, debt resolution, etc.

      2013 Has strong health issues requiring move to drier climate considers New Mexico area.

      2014 Comes to Arizona early spring for friends wedding, and decides
      after several months, AZ is best place in US for health issues from Lead
      and heavy metals related issues. ( Allergies to mold, foods,
      environmental, seizures)

      2014 Calls Prescott home in June begins looking for wine capable property in Prescott Chino Valley area.

      2014 Gets inditement handed down by Grand Jury August 13, in Texas
      Eastern District. Discovers FBI search was illegal in its form.

      2014 Gets arrested and released on own recognizance in Phoenix Federal courts, surrenders passport.
      http://www.frankpate.com/about-frank/

  • Sid

    Well Scientology is just a big Ponzi scheme itself so sets the example for others to follow.

    There must be something about the quick buck that appeals to these guys. Reed Slatkin, Frank Pate, and I remember Bill Cooper from the old Tradenet days. He was running an MLM/Ponzi scheme with those laundry balls, and after that he started running a bogus investment scheme that ripped off a lot of money from a bunch of Scientologists. The church declared him because they wanted to be the ones who did the ripping off and were pissed that they didn’t get that money.

    • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

      Wanna buy an ostrich egg?

      • Sid

        I’ll take two please.

        • Three hatched and are doing fine, but your two died.

          • Sid

            Disappointing. Now I’ll never know the answer to that age old question, ‘which came first the ostrich or the egg?’.

        • Robert Eckert

          Sorry, only one per family.

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        Trade it for this tulip bulb?

      • grundoon

        Mighty Korgo refers to the case of Raul Lopez, a young man who suffered brain damage in an auto accident and was swindled out of his insurance settlement after falling in with some greedy Scientologists. He asked the Chruch for help, and they referred him to lawyer Brent Jones, a Scientologist.

        … Jones approached Lopez with a business pitch of his own. Jones was involved in breeding and selling ostriches and invited Lopez to join him. “He said it was a big chance for me to make a lot of money and that I ought to act real quick if I didn’t want to miss out,” Lopez recalls. He paid the $30,000 for the two ostrich eggs, which were to be incubated on Jones’ property near Ojai.

        The deal turned sour quickly. Lopez says that when he went to the property to see his ostrich eggs, Jones told him that he couldn’t say for sure which of several eggs belonged to Lopez. After the eggs hatched, Lopez again visited, wanting to see his ostriches. Yet, of the several birds there, he says, Jones was unable to tell him which were his, but assured him that there was nothing to worry about. At Jones’ request, Lopez says he even built an enclosure for the ostriches on Jones’ property, using his own funds. But not long after the enclosure was completed in late 1994, Lopez’s brief and befuddling ostrich-farming venture came to an abrupt halt. “I went out to [the farm] one day, and [Jones] tells me, “Your ostriches died.’ That was it. I never even got to know which ones were mine.”

        By Ron Russell,
        New Times LA, Dec 21, 2000
        http://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/viewtopic.php?t=4285

    • Anonymous

      “…Scientology is just a big Ponzi scheme itself…”

      It has some of the same fraudulent aspects as a Ponzi scheme, but at least in a Ponzi scheme the first few “investors” actually get more money back than they put in (which is what is then used as a lure to attract the later marks.)

      Scientology really is more of an elaborate confidence hoax, more commonly referred to as a Long Con, with props, scripts, one or more stages and various actors. The Scientology Long Con (hoax) has many of the characteristics described by Edward Smith in “Confessions of a Confidence Man” : http://www.amyreading.com/inside-the-book/the-nine-stages-of-the-big-con/six-and-seven-stages-of-the-big-con/.

      If a person stays in long enough to be defrauded out of a significant sum of money in a Long Con, it is the embarrassment at having been fooled that frequently prevents them from going to the authorities for justice. Scientology is a more elaborate hoax than most and it has accumulated enough asssets to hire a horde of enablers (attorneys, PI’s, etc.) to “safepoint” the hoax via a deliberately arranged legal framework which involves both 1st Amendment protections (in the US) and one-sided written agreements which seek to strip the marks of all their civil rights prior to the con being put into operation. Aggressive legal defense strategies and covert attempts to terrorize dissatisfied marks are employed against those that do use the civil or criminal justice systems to seek equity.

      IMHO, it is those one-sided legal agreements (and the terror campaigns waged against dissatisfied ex-Scientologists that speak out) that will eventually be the undoing of Scientology as the manner in which those agreements are written / deployed, and the well documented terror campaigns waged against dissatisfied ex-Scientologists both reek of fraud / extortion racketeering, all with considerable prior design.

      • Sid

        I agree. The main thing I was looking at as a Ponzi aspect was that if all pre-paid service takers were to show up they wouldn’t be able to service them unless they had new service takers paying big bucks. They’ve already spent the money for advance payments from a long time ago.

        • Anonymous

          Interesting point.

          Although this again is more of a fraud issue, as church finance practices (regardless of whatever their policies state) are operated in such a manner as to make it nearly impossible for the church to actually deliver the services “sold.” In fact, one could argue that the hostile nature of the service delivery culture in places like FLAG is intentionally put in place to deter people from showing up to seek delivery of the services they were encouraged to pre-pay in full to receive.

          There is quite a bit of settled case law in situations like the above in decisions renederd against certain chain health clubs (and other defendants) that were shown to practice excessive sales effort, followed by deliberate acts to deter already paid customers from arriving to receive that service which that had paid for in advance.

    • grundoon

      Tradenet was a multilevel marketing scam that sold blue plastic balls. If you kept these balls in your washing machine, you would never need detergent again. Your laundry would get perfectly clean in plain water + balls, if by “clean” you mean “wet.”

      Tradenet offers a shining example of what can happen when high level Scientologists set out to run a business using L. Ron Hubbard’s ethics and admin tech. See them in action in this amazing board meeting transcript: http://www.lermanet.com/cos/tradenet.html

      • Sid

        Amazing find.

      • Anonymous

        Another (more sophisticated operation) was Digital Lightwave which had it’s share of inventory / sales and accounting irregularities during the internet mania period (and it’s denouement) in the early / mid 2000’s.

  • Baby

    Night all.. I am outttttttttta here..

    Have a Fabulous day..and kick ass in here..xo Baby

    • joan nieman

      Have a good sleep Baby.

  • BosonStark

    Since the Church of Scientology is a financial scheme, it’s probably best to avoid any people who were involved with it in terms of using them for financial planning or investment. If they are perfectly honest and legitimate, fine, let them find wog clients. An ex-scientologist doesn’t need to have their trust abused twice in a row.

    Am I saying you shouldn’t trust anyone who has ever had anything to do with Scientology? No. If they run a business that is more straight forward than the investment of money, like they produce a product or service that is regularly delivered, then that’s fine.

    And as employees, most former Sea Org members probably tend to be more hard working than the average wog.

    Scientology is a financial scheme because it takes the money it gets from clients, and uses it to defraud more people, as well as strengthen its cloaking, while it stores a pile of money away. This is why I never liked Geir Isene’s statement that he would “do it all over again,” because it sounds like he has no regrets that the large sums he spent were used to defraud and build the cult into the scam it is today, because it helped him so much personally.

    Most ex-members are embarrassed and mad that the money they spent, or that their poorly-paid labor was used to build the cult and scam others.

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      He’d do it all over again. Bah! I can’t stand stupid, smart people.

  • Narapoid

    It looks like all Pate had to do was what he said he would: invest in currency swapping. EARN his money.

    But he followed the example of Laffy Hubbard, and now he is in jail. Surprise!

  • Xenuvius

    Scientologist arrested for fraud!!??

    He was just practicing his religion, hello!!

  • aquaclara

    It’s good to hear Mike Laws got his money back. It’s a shame about the others who were victimized. Boy, you make it out of the cult, and SMACK, there’s someone, trained by pros, ready to prey upon you.

    There are thousands of hard-working, honest former members, some of whom may be a bit more vulnerable than others to an appeal from a colleague. And, as we’ve seen, there are a handful of former members who truly think there is a get-rich-quick scheme out there somewhere that could work for them.

    Interesting that the charges are for mail and wire fraud, not for theft.

  • chukicita

    So in the new Freedom mag, there is an article “by Former Tampa Mayor Dick Greco” that he admits was written not by him but by John Sugg…

    http://www.tampabay.com/news/scientology/ex-tampa-mayor-dick-greco-clearwater-should-work-with-scientologists/2201974

    • DodoTheLaser

      Freedom Mag – another scientology front that can’t decide what it wants to be when it grows up.

  • First Last

    Tom Cruise to Disown Son for Leaving Scientology in Favor of ‘Spiritual Journey’ in Morocco

    http://www.moroccoworldnews.com/2014/10/140959/tom-cruise-to-disown-son-for-leaving-scientology-in-favor-of-spiritual-journey-in-morocco/

    • Tony Ortega

      Not that bullshit story again. Come on.

      • First Last

        Sorry Bro, I must have missed visiting you on that day.

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        Hey! Connor did post an Instagram of himself with two friends with the caption “In the mountains of Morocco.” What more proof do you need?

    • First Last
    • DodoTheLaser

      Yeah, only if Connor wants to be cut off from his Daddy’s millions, which he is not, I am pretty sure.
      Bullshit story, imo.

    • Chee Chalker

      Conor appears to be as much of a jackass as his father. Uncle Dave must be so proud!

  • Kim O’Brien

    “Most Scientologists are really ethical people. I know that sounds Pollyanna, but it’s true,” the person says.

    LOL…the person can’t even use their name when they claim this ..wonder why ? Afraid the wiccans will come after you ? Of course not …it is because other “ethical people” will track them down . Honestly …wake the hell up , come out of the closet people , stand the hell up for yourself and others . You are only as sick at your secrets

  • Are_sics

    More on: “Most Scientologists are really ethical people. I know that sounds Pollyanna, but it’s true,” the person says.

    It doesn’t sound Pollyanna to me, in truth. I just wonder if the person’s use of the word “ethical” is as skewed as Hubbard’s; or if the person’s perception of “ethical” is…? Might this depend on HOW former a Scientologist the former-Scientologist is?

  • TheRupture

    “He continued to practice Scientology outside of the church with other former members.”

    So he was an Indie still practicing Scientology get rich schemes. This is yet another cautionary tale and nod towards electing a cold turkey method of recovery. It’s not a fiction about Pollyanna. It’s a science about cognitive dissonance.

    Recovery from being caged by a mad man is never easy and it never comes to fruition at all until you get to the finale: You were the mad man in the cell. I am profoundly sorry that all involved had to learn this difficult and expensive way. I hope that now you all will drop the cans and pick up a therapist. Scientology will not cure your Scientology Syndrome I’m afraid. I hope all can utilize this experience as a stepping stone toward healing and learn a healthier way to cope and live.

    • DodoTheLaser

      While I agree with everything you said, some people are just natural born conners

      and will simply use any opportunity to enrich themselves by any means.

      • TheRupture

        Very true, Dodo. There’s always that small percentage that makes life difficult for the majority. Scientologists can, however, behave and react similar to this type of personality while under their spell. Part of the recovery process is a treasure hunt for your real identity and the discard of the cult identity. If Mr. Pate is a natural born he won’t be showing up for help anywhere anytime, but for the rest that were allegedly taken in, I just wanted to fire up a signal of hope.

        • DodoTheLaser

          I appreciate your sound posts and you being here.

          • TheRupture

            There are many criminals attracted to the get out of jail free card Scientology affords them. I have known some who left Scientology and continued to rip people off. I don’t know this Mr Pate, but I do know others,, not Scientologists, who are desperate to make ends meet and partake in every ponzi and climb every pyramid that comes across their computer screen. They’re not criminals, just unskilled and impaired in some way. Investing in foreign currencies is one I’ve heard many times over the years.

            • DodoTheLaser

              Very true. And some are just cold-hearted assholes. In and out of scientology.

            • TheRupture

              It’s only taken an hour to learn that Mr Pate is looking more and more like that category.

            • aquaclara

              “And climb every pyramid that comes across their computer screen.” Nice turn of the phrase there, TR.

              And they exist both in and out of Scientology.
              Now, if we were to look closely at WISE membership, i am guessing it might be attracting a bit more than the normal share of pyramid climbers….

    • ze moo

      Can we expect a ‘$cientology made me do it’ defense?

      • TheRupture

        Funny. I’m surprised we haven’t heard this one yet. Or maybe we have.

      • DodoTheLaser

        Yes. And some will be legit. As long as it is a temp insanity defense. I am not joking.

        • Kim O’Brien

          …i love ya Dodo but you know this will never work . Nor should it .

          • DodoTheLaser

            Okay.

      • Stacy

        This defense has slightly more going for it than the insane “Twinkie defense.”

  • DodoTheLaser
  • Mary_McConnell

    Finally they got him! Good work, Mike

  • ze moo

    This civil forfeiture makes sense.

  • dagobarbz

    ““Most Scientologists are really ethical people. I know that sounds Pollyanna, but it’s true…”
    History would suggest otherwise. They only redefined ‘ethical’ to apply to what they do.
    What they do is justify obnoxious behavior for the group dynamic. In other words, the end justifies the means, and that is in no way ethical as wogs define it.

  • Ivan Mapother

    Mr. Pate’s downfall came in “trading foreign currencies.” If he would have traded in intergalactic currencies, he would still have them on the hook. Does any one know the current exchange rate for the Marcabian Lev?

    • Espiando

      47 to 1, of course.

      • Chee Chalker

        Badum bump…rim shot! Good one Espi!

    • ze moo
      • MaxSpaceman

        Courtesy of Dick Fuld, Lehman Bros., your gelt, it’s gone, it’s all gone. Courtesy of Goldman-Sachs, your investment in Mortgage Backed Securities, your Credit Default Swaps- your dough, it’s gone, it’s all gone.

        • Ah the Banks, I was right on that wasn’t I.

          -Ron

      • April

        That was an eerily realistic portrayal.

  • Science Doc

    “The purpose of this blog is to inform all who are interested in any ongoing issues;

    Frank Pate is an Ex-Scientologist Church Member who quietly defected from the Church years ago, and then found ex-memebers and was very active in the “freezone” Scientology Community after that.

    Some of his affiliations were with the highest trained and experienced individuals who provided counseling to him, One of those people being the personal butler and personal communicator of LRH. Others were with people who had past/current involvement’s with the Church.

    His quiet defection from those members was over 3 years ago, and now a book that he has been writing has been contracted to be released thru a Doctor who has a Phd in Sociology and speaks 3 languages fluently.”

    The last clause is obvious bullshit. I read some of his blog. He doesn’t write well enough to qualify for a Discus account. Indeed, he doesn’t understand basic grammar. He supposedly has a book contract with an unnamed publisher. A Ph.D. would not be called a Doctor, but could be addressed with the honorific of Dr. before her name. The scheme of adding her name to the authorship is absurd. His blog shows a mockup of the book. I’ve never seen any such thing. I’ve been sent proofs of covers before, but not some rendering of a final volume.

    The guy is an illiterate grifter and drifter on the lam in an RV until the moment the cops took him in.

    • MaxSpaceman

      “… On the lam in an RV…” He was following the Tech to the letter

    • Of course he has a mockup of his book. Every conman needs a good prop or two.

      • And it saves so time when you can just postulate “I are an author now! I have movie deal!” and have your mockup to show people without all that effort and work.

        • Once_Born

          That seems to be the feature shared by Scientology, this guys supposed book/film deal and Scientologists scams – the proposition that, if you believe very hard in something, it will come true.

          Perhaps the motive for this depth of self-deception comes from Scientologist’s desperation to raise money for ‘courses’ an enhanced ‘status’ and all of the other, everyday demands for money.

    • Chee Chalker

      “The guy is an illiterate grifter and drifter on the lam in an RV until the moment the cops took him in.”
      I think I can sum that up with a shorter sentence: “The guy was a Scientologist.”

    • TheRupture

      I have to ask now. These former members sounds like the Milestone 2 party. I don’t want to jump to conclusions here, but personal butler and personal communicator of LRH (quirino?) – is a mile wide clue. This morphs this story into a whole other rabbit hole. Curiouser and Curiouser.

      • Espiando

        If he took Milestone Two for all their money, he’s now on my side. Anything bad that happens to them brings a schadenfreude-licious tickle down my spine.

        • TheRupture

          I’m getting dizzy going back and forth on this one. It keeps getting worse and worse. I’m with you on this one if it does indeed turn to their road.

  • Douglas D. Douglas

    There couldn’t possibly be dirty money involved. According to Pate’s website, he is the victim of an unethical partner who tried to involve his wife and him in a “money laundry scheme.”

    The writing style alone sounds like a Scientology lifer to me.

    • Kittery

      “The writing style alone sounds like a Scientology lifer to me.”

      Yes, semi-literate at best.

  • Sid

    Blues Pate Traveler

    “Took a road trip with the wife over to Texas for the arraignment.”

    “Ah said, ah took a road trip with the wife over to Texas, yeah.”

    “Well, we pleaded with the judge, yeah we pleaded with the judge.”

    “I ain’t guilty of dem charges that come from out in left field, yeah.”

    “An you ain’t takin my RV cuz I’m leavin in the mornin’ an I’m holdin on my grudge.”

    “Took a road trip with the wife over to Texas for the arraignment an I’m holdin on my grudge.”

    • He might try to muddy the waters, but he’s no Muddy Waters.

      • Sid

        So true.

  • Chee Chalker

    I love the continual claim of ‘most ethical people on earth’. The problem with that statement is that a $cientologist’s definition of ‘ethical’ is different from the rest of the world. Essentially, what is ethical to a $cientologist is anything that improves the legacy of LRH and the lifestyle of David tatertot Miscavige. News flash to any Co$ lurkers or LRH sympathizers out there…..just because LRH said something was ethical does not make it so. LRH was a man who locked a CHILD up in a dark hole on a ship for days. A sick sick man and I am getting so tired listening to these idiots defend the monster. When the TV show ‘American Greed’ reported on the Reed Slatkin story, they said Reed said he needed the money (in part) because of pressure from the Co$. I think the public would be very receptive to a Rees Slatkin book. Now that could be Reed’s new calling in life.

    • HillieOnTheBeach

      “The problem with that statement is that a $cientologist’s definition of ‘ethical’ is different from the rest of the world.”

      I agree to a certain extent. We have seen that some former scientologists are evidently upstanding and well-meaning and I’m sure some still in are as well. The subtlety isn’t that they are “ethical” because of scientology, but rather in spite of it.

      • Chee Chalker

        I like that…. Ethical in spite….. Its difficult sometimes to not paint all Scientologists with the same brush, but I agree, most of the ex’s who post here are kind and decent people Which explains why they are ex’s.
        I think the majority of people who explore the Co$ are well meaning, decent people. However, those who stay in and turn a blind eye to the insanity……those people, the ‘tough sons of bitches’ are cowards.
        I do reserve greater sympathy for those who are 2nd or 3rd generation. They got dealt a crappy hand. Those ‘born ins’ who manage to escape are the ones with whom I am most impressed

    • Missionary Kid

      David tatertot Miscavige is now on the list of DAVID MI$CAVIGE NICKNAMES It’s a variation on pervious ones, but it fits. http://tonyortega.org/2014/06/12/more-proof-of-kerri-kasems-scientology-involvement-and-laura-prepon-lies-like-a-rug/#comment-1563541963

  • TheRupture

    I am a bit concerned in finding that Mr Pate promotes donating to an alleged charity for veterans titled “Honor the Soldier”. I’ve found three different supposed addresses for their headquarters as well as numerous sub groups that are supposed to be supporting this charity.

    However, all donating roads eventually lead to send your money to Texas A&M Health Science Center. There is No charity listed for Honor the Soldier. The center does have a legitimate 501c registered with the IRS, but nothing on their 990’s show any monies distributed to any veterans groups and no mention of Honor the Soldier in particular. There is no entity listed for distribution of the funds other than to the Science Center. This does not smell right. There is a notation on the 990 about investments, but no details whatsoever. His facebook page for this Honor the Solder entity has some some strange timeline.

    https://www.facebook.com/honorthesoldier.org/timeline?ref=page_internal

    http://www.texvet.com/partners/honor-soldie

    https://giving.tamhsc.edu/sslpage.aspx?pid=284

    501c: Texas A&M Health Science Center, EIN: 31-1702109, located College Station, TX
    Mission Statement: To provide support for health science education, research, and community outreach activities.

    • Stacy

      I like how the Facebook page states there’s an 800 # for veterans to call for psychological help. I so wanted to see where that number went to. Facebook says you can find it on the website. Website addy takes you right back to Facebook page. Hmmm. I wonder if Texas A&M knows Pate has involved their good name in his veteran scam?

    • TheRupture

      Stomach churning to realize there is a family, wife and three children, squashed under this rock.

      • “I’m sure there are people that will look at us and say we’re a bunch of rich snots,” said Frank Pate, a dog-eared Texas law book propped on the coffee table. “But I believe there should be some latitude. Who came up with the idea that travel and education don’t go together? Where does the school have the right to step in?”

        He is so above the law [sic].

    • kemist

      The sad thing is that this article panders to them. It mentions “algebra” and the oldest of the kids is still in grade school… No one over there even seems to remember algebra is taught is high school.

      No one ever needs that fancy-schmancy algebraw anyways.

      Facepalm.

      This, people, is the current opinion in the west about education. We’re spitting on what has brought us on top of things, while it is highly valued in developping countries. Here a little girl wants to be a famous hairhead who buys jewelry for her pocket sized chihuahua, over there, she wants to be an astrophysicist or an engineer.

      We’re doomed.

      • I thought we were doomed too but being outside the classroom has greatly improved my outlook. We do have to change things though. Authoritarianism and redundancy doesn’t make sense to modern students.

  • Mark

    I see from his website Mr. Pate is planning a “tell all” book, but hasn’t decided about the cover-design yet. Here’s my suggestion (refresh):

    • stillgrace2

      Hah! That’s great, Mark! Love that fine print and attention to detail.

      • Mark

        Thanks, Grace 🙂

    • ze moo

      As the Auditors and case supervisors and body routers get the axe from the clampire, there will be more moving into such pursuits. Mr. Pate would have made a very good ABLE ‘management consultant’. Maybe he can get a job with Grant Cardone when he gets out.

      • Mark

        Frank had better start building up his neck so it’s thicker than his head, in that case…

      • Stacy

        First he needs to get out. Sadly, he’ll more likely be sentenced to a federal prison where his danger is low. The really need to send him to a state prison. With all the health gripes he has, he wouldn’t make it a week in a Texas Pen.

    • “Addelpate”
      *snicker*

  • John P.

    Since there’s a financial scam involved, I might be able to contribute something to the discussion.

    First, trading currencies is something that requires significant expertise. I am really good at stocks but I wouldn’t for a second think that means I know even the least little thing about trading FX (foreign exchange). In fact, my investment management skills are probably worse than useless in the world of FX. So no way would I ever consider setting myself up in business as an FX trader. So to see this guy go from staff in the cult to setting up an investment fund is pretty ludicrous. The only way he would be able to convince people to invest is either through high-pressure sales tactics to get them to ignore even the most basic rules of due diligence or through other coercive means. At least Bernie Madoff had a successful legitimate brokerage firm, which gave some basis for people to believe he could invest their money successfully.

    Second, I was struck by how poorly written the indictment is. It’s not up to the usual level that I’ve come to see from US Attorneys. I have come to appreciate such things since I’ve been a witness in several white collar crime cases (never a target of an investigation, nor ever a defendant). I wonder whether that means that they are sure the guy will fold. Interestingly, the AUSA signing the indictment is from Oklahoma, rather than being one of the DoJ’s Texas crew. So it appears that the government thinks this case will be a lay-up; they’re bringing in a guy from out of town because their local staff is overworked on other cases.

    Third, it’s pretty interesting to see that the only real property seized is a small house in a rural Texas town worth maybe $90,000, where Pate doesn’t even show up as the sole owner. That suggests to me that Pate is either pretty smart in that he’s not living large with fancy cars and real estate with prestige addresses which would bankrupt him sooner, or he’s fairly incompetent, making so little money from his scheme that he can only afford shared interest in a tiny piece of real estate out in the middle of the prairie.

    I think the reason that so many scams pop up in Scientology and around Scientologists is that Hubbard’s promise that you’ll have power over MEST (matter, energy, space and time) would certainly apply to money. And if you can’t postulate money in your life, then either Scientology is wrong or you are practicing it incorrectly, which is a big disaster. That’s why the cult’s “justice” system means you can’t sue other Scientologists — they have to keep up the appearance that the people who are making money in the cult are doing so legitimately.

    In other words, if you have super powers, you should be able to make money easily. The only problem is that the amount of money you have is a tangible, externally verifiable thing. If you used your OT Super Powers to get a parking space, you can fool yourself into thinking that was your super state of being and not just a random coincidence that the odds say will appear after you drive past a given number of parking meters. So it’s hard to lie to yourself about the money you have. The only way to keep yourself convinced that you have super powers if you don’t have money is to get it any way you can.

    Thus, I think it’s inevitable that people will lie, cheat and steal in Scientology. Not that I’m not saying anything different than most people here have said, but I think economic reality makes it a certainty.

    • DodoTheLaser

      In other words, 80’s are the past and so is scientology.

    • HillieOnTheBeach

      “Third, it’s pretty interesting to see that the only real property seized
      is a small house in a rural Texas town worth maybe $90,000, where Pate
      doesn’t even show up as the sole owner. That suggests to me that Pate
      is either pretty smart in that he’s not living large with fancy cars and
      real estate with prestige addresses which would bankrupt him sooner, or
      he’s fairly incompetent…”

      Or all assets are in a trusted parent’s name, out of reach of seizure?

      • TheRupture

        In that ESMB thread, Mike Laws states Pate began changing ownership of companies to his wife’s name.

    • If this is the same guy, he’s apparently had a bunch of villagers with pitchforks after him for years:

      http://www.frank-pate.com/

      http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?21965-What-is-a-right-and-wrong-Story-and-Question/page28

      • DodoTheLaser

        That ESMB thread makes this whole thing a lot deeper. I don’t even…

      • TheRupture

        “My involvement with him was investing money for investing, believing he
        had a company and was a licensed broker/trader. Turns out he had
        nothing more than a shell, no legal, no accounting, no QC.”

        Believing is the clue word. Who invests anything on faith? Indie/FZ – still prisoners of belief walking around with the keys in their pockets.

    • Sid

      Good point. Also, the ‘marks’ have a certain need to make quick cash for the pressure they are under to donate, donate, donate so when someone comes along with what seems like easy, fast money they are more prone to fall for it.

    • Sid

      MLM/Ponzi/Fraud guy Bill Cooper from Tradenet was sending a majority of his earnings offshore to hide from the day he knew was coming. Maybe Pate was doing similar things with his loot.

    • ze moo

      The lack of tangible assets is perhaps a clue the state of his ponzi scheme. Not enough new meat and too many disgruntled previous customers {where have I heard of that before?}. Even that stupid ‘airplane seat’ ponzi scheme of 10-15 years ago was better thought out. It appears that Pate either lived modestly on the proceeds and kept enough cash on hand to keep those who pulled out sort of happy and thereby keep the scam going, or he hid the proceeds else where.

      The ‘lack of due diligence’ is a common denominator in most scams. Grant Cardone could use this guy.

    • Sid

      Always great to see you pop in with your evaluations. For a never-in you have an amazing grasp of the mindset involved in this. (refresh)

    • Mark

      I think Pate is more likely incompetent than clever, considering he’d have been absorbing large doses of Dunning-Kruger Effect, spiced up with plenty of (pseudo) Magical Thinking while involved in the Miscavige-era corporate CoS.

    • Lady Squash

      Well said! Thank you. You’ve hit the nail on the head. Since you are promised OT Powers, what’s the harm. You’ll be able to pay it back, etc.

    • Gerard Plourde

      As usual, the perspective you provide adds valuable information and insight.

  • The sheer magnitude of the threats from this action have opened my eyes to parts of life I always saw, but have never seen so clearly until now.

    He can clearly see new magnitudes of threats (for the first time in a trillion years?)–and he hasn’t even done the Super Power yet!

    Want some whine with that, Pate?

    http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/food/ic/food_16x9_448/recipes/mushroom_pt_64814_16x9.jpg

    • Mark

      Just a touch of paprika and/or port would’ve made that pâté look a bit less like cat-sick 😉

      • joan nieman

        I have a couple of those old knives.They have lasted for years.

        • Mark

          As long as you don’t leave them soaking in the washing-up too long; as I’ve found to my cost it messes up the handles—so the old rule from the pre-detergent days of soap-flakes and washing-soda still applies 🙂

  • Qbird

    Oh that audacious & plucky ex-Scn Inc. / Independant Pete!
    You do your Source fine fine credit. You learned well.
    So helpful… the LRH way… gift to mankind. Bestest friend.
    Sell sell sell! Make-up, mock-up! Lie! Cheat! Steal!
    False care & concern! (Ya big fat Faker! I see you.)
    Yeah stay Lurch Ethical – all the way! You’re IN!!!
    “and if you believe that, I have a bridge to sell you”

    Good job.

    Signed,
    George Parker (1870–1936)

    CYA in Sing Sing Bro!

  • richelieu jr

    I saw the photo of Mark Pate and briefly thought, ‘Oh gods! Not Luke Skywalker! Just as he comes into the new Star Wars cash, he becomes a scilon… Looks like he’s hit hard times, too!’

    Luckily, t’was not the case… can you imagine Yoda’s reaction?

    “Fucked in the head, you are! Never your mind on time you are wasting, who you are paying!
    Hubbard a liar was. So crooked ate spoon with a corkscrew he did. Screw you, he will!”

  • richelieu jr

    I wonder if the guy’s name is pronounced ‘pate’ like bald man’s pate, which rhymes with ‘hate’ as in,
    “Hubbard had nothing but HATE for his minions.”

    Or perhaps like ‘paté’ and the just don’t have an ‘é’ key on your silly QWERTY keyboards? ‘Paté’ as in, ‘”Ever since he picked up Dianetics his grey matter has turned into some sort of mushy paté. He can’t even speak English anymore. He thinks adverbs and verbs are nouns and nouns are verbs.”

    I can’t come up with an English word that rhymes with ‘paté’, actually. I keep coming up with ‘raté’ which is what these guys are and what they have done with their lives, in French. Oh, maybe: “Karaté’? or ‘Ratty’ as in, ‘Boy, those ideal orgs sure are ratty, after all that cash.” Nah…

    • Espiando

      There is one easy rhyme for pate (include diacritical at your leisure) in American English: filet, as in “The whales were thoroughly flensed and their flesh turned into succulent filet of cetecean.”

      • richelieu jr

        Oooh, lovely! And cetacean in its very essence! I love it!

    • Qbird

      Et Hey Rich! When will you stop being so Catté … it is so passé!

      We in ‘merica don’t got no aigu.

      • Great minds

        • Qbird

          Tee hee… then Espi nailed it Nat.

          And now, another Café con leche is in order.
          What’s kinda funny Nat is I got me an accent aigu in my RL surname. ha! funny to me is all.

    • Don’t be so cat-tay?
      Oh, nevermind.

    • Sir_Real

      This “cholesterol free” poison is almost as hazardous for your health as Looney Ronny Hubbytubby’s Shitty Little Cult: *refresh*

      • Qbird

        Ha! Not the real deal, fake butter!
        And there ya go… factory fresh from the oiliness table.
        Super Powerful greasiness-ness.
        What a mess.

        • Sir_Real

          And just what “oil” do they use on said table? is it the nasty trans-fat sort or is it, appropriately, something suitable for “lubrication”?

  • “Most Scientologists are really ethical people. I know that sounds Pollyanna, but it’s true”

    Barf.
    This is so clannish and ignorant. Most people feel positive associations with people of their culture or religion not because they are truly more ethical people but because their actions and motivations are more predictable to someone familiar with the traditions and quirks of the culture.

    • And I’m Cute, Too

      I learned that the hard way a little over a year ago. Just because someone ascribes to the same faith as you do, it doesn’t mean that you can trust him.

      *sigh* Experience is a good teacher, if not a kind one…

      • There are sweethearts and psychos of every creed and kind.

      • Missionary Kid

        My missionary father once said that if someone had to tell you they were a Christian business man, to hold on to your wallet.

    • He says it because according to Scientology ethics, Scientologists are ethical (shock).

      • The misuse of that word and concept by Hubs and his followers never ceases to astound me.

        • HappypantsDance

          It ranks right up there with Scientologists’ definitions of the words “sane” and “truth.” Only Hubbard’s definitions are acceptable. The definitions are consistent with Source since he was mentally unstable and a pathological liar.

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          So much for “word clearing”!

    • Todd Tomorrow

      Like they did with, Madoff. He targeted people in his own religion. Funny, when he was under house arrest they told the couple they were being recorded. Ruth Madoff, kept blaming their problems,”on the gentiles.” They are Jewish. Also, they walked around naked which must have been a horrid sight to see.

  • richelieu jr

    To be “fascination bound”? What an eccentric formulation (especially in that sentence. I love it!

    I think I’ll call my next album “Fascination Bound” and have a cover of me handcuffed with images of lovely ladies around my wrists…

    Or is it a bound that you make forward?
    Like a bounder?
    Or is it ‘bound’ to happen?

    Of just a wonderful, wonderful destination!
    “All abord the Venusion freight train to Fascination Station! Please keep your arms and legs and anything else you want to keep inside the car at all times. If not, Mark Paté Vakes is bound to steal them.”

    • Captain Howdy

      I remember an arcade game called Fascination from back in the day. They had Fascination Parlous in all the best seedy parts of any city. They were a hang-out spot for druggies, dealers and teenage runaway prostitutes and pervs. It seems it started in S.F.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascination_%28game%29

      • Todd Tomorrow

        I think it did start in SF, my favorite was, Fun house. The Angry Clown said the scariest things.

        • Captain Howdy

          Yes, they said it started at Playland which was on Ocean Beach, which was walking distance from where I grew up. Funhouse Sal was helluva scary. So was the diving bell. I loved that place. There was also a Fascination parlour on Market St between two porn theaters.

  • “Scientology” and “ethical” are mutually exclusive terms.

    eth·i·cal ˈeTHək(ə)l/
    adjective
    adjective: ethical

    1.
    *of or relating to moral principles or the branch of knowledge dealing with these.
    “ethical issues in nursing”

    synonyms: moral, social, behavioral

    “an ethical dilemma”

    *morally good or correct.
    “can a profitable business be ethical?”
    synonyms:moral, right-minded, principled, irreproachable; More

    *avoiding activities or organizations that do harm to people or the environment.
    “an expert on ethical investment”

    2. (of a medicine) legally available only on a doctor’s prescription and usually not advertised to the general public.

    • Illinoisian

      Hey, Derek, I’ll submit this for your perusal.

      After a year and a half reading the Bunker posts and comment, and after spending a lot of time trying to get my mind around the twisted concept concept of “ethics” — or rather, the concept which they refer to by using that word, I finally realized that it is simple to predict what is viewed as “ethical” in Scientology. Here is the premise: The ‘god’ which is served, ultimately, is the cash flow into the organization (not the funds they have stashed away — just the money what flows in daily, weekly). Whatever maintains it, increases it, defends it, assures it, and promotes a public image that leads to its increase — is ethical. Whatever reduces it, endangers it, questions it’s usefulness or purpose, distracts attention from efforts to assure it, or promotes a public image that might lead to its decrease — is not ethical. I’m a ‘never-in’ and this is just my theory, but it seems consistent with much of what we hear about their topsy-turvey ‘justice’ system. View all disputes, and all pronouncements about “ethics,” from this perspective and you will never be surprised by what Scientology considers “ethical.” All the abuses become “ethical” from this point of view.

      • Ardent

        I have come to a similar conclusion, and I, too, am a never-in.

      • Captain Howdy

        “In plain English, the purpose of Scientology ‘ethics’ is to eliminate opponents, then eliminate people’s interests in things other than Scientology. In this ‘ethical’ environment, Scientology would be able to impose its courses, philosophy, and ‘justice system’ — its so-called technology — onto society.”

        –Prof Stephen A Kent, Marburg Journal of Religion, Sept 2003

        • Illinoisian

          ” to eliminate opponents, then eliminate people’s interests in things
          other than Scientology. In this ‘ethical’ environment, Scientology would
          be able to impose its courses, philosophy, and ‘justice system”

          Hmmm. Could it be that these things all create (or created at one time) the circumstances that best serve (or served) the cash flow? And not the reverse. The end served is the cash flow, not the imposition of courses and philosophy.

          The courses and philosophy seem to be less important, and less ‘advertised’, lately as they are bringing in less cash. Narconon will, very likely, be dropped without hesitation if/when it causes a serious diminution to the cash flow. I don’t think any effort or expense will be expended to defend the philosophy/’tech’ behind it (or that purports to be behind it, as I think it’s just a setup to create cash flow and there’s no philosophy of treatment there to defend).

          I think that the courses and philosophy were only ever a construct to create, maintain, nurture, and broaden the base for a cash flow. (Well, ok, and to give Hubbard a feeling of being adored.)

          The system is moving toward purely selling status for cash flow. It will die trying to maintain the cash flow, not trying to impose a philosophy (that, thanks to the Internet, has been exposed as being a con to generate . . . well . . . you know).

          • Eivol Ekdal

            “ETHICS: Ethics is reason and the contemplation of optimum survival. ” – LRH : Introduction to SCN Ethics, 1978

      • You’re right. Scientology is very “ends justify the means” where the ends are to the benefit of Scientology or Miscavige. The “Ethics Codes” of Scientology, while volumous and bombastic, are vague so that they can be interpreted in many ways and adjusted to suit whoever the most high-level Scientologist in the situation may be. A large portion of them are actually dedicated to “junior staff” protecting “senior staff” from ridicule or legal action.

        Jefferson Hawkins about a year ago did a piece with Tony about Scientology’s form of “Ethics” called “Utilitarian Ethics”. I definitely recommend you check it out if you havent.

        Here are a couple of excerpts:

        http://tonyortega.org/2013/10/24/jefferson-hawkins-on-scientology-ethics-lets-get-ultimatum/

        JEFFERSON: Sure — it sounded logical to Jeremy Bentham (1748-1832), when he first floated the idea of “the greatest good for the greatest number.” (Hubbard of course does not credit Bentham.) Jeremy Bentham is considered the father of what is called utilitarian ethics, and anyone who has been indoctrinated into Scientology ethics would do well to study that subject.

        Utilitarian ethics is based on the idea that the rightness or wrongness of an action can only be judged by its end result. It has been shorthanded as “the end justifies the means.”

        JEFFERSON: I ran across an interesting reference when researching this chapter, something called “state consequentialism,” a Chinese system dating back to the 5th century BCE, which held that an action is right if it benefits the state, particularly in terms of order, material wealth, and increase in population. I’m probably shorthanding that terribly, but it occurs to me that the Scientology ethics system could really be described as “Church of Scientology consequentialism.” An action is only considered “ethical” if it benefits the Church in terms of money, property, or good PR.

  • Remy

    You can’t ever really trust what a scientologist says because they redefine their vocabulary.

    Ask a scientologist what it means to be “ethical” and they will probably say it involves being competent, upstat, and well-hatted, none of which actually involve ethics.

    If they happen to get lucky and say it means “doing the right thing” then ask them what is “right” and it will be something that benefits the cult.

    As in George Orwell’s 1984, words are:

    “not merely changed into something different, but actually contradictory of what they used to be… How could you have a slogan like ‘freedom is slavery’ when the concept of freedom has been abolished? The whole climate of thought will be different. In fact there will be no thought, as we understand it now. Orthodoxy means not thinking—not needing to think.”

    • TheRupture

      Trusting a scientologist, including those half way’s, to manage your wealth is like trusting Charlie Sheen to manage your winnings.

    • Ardent

      Remy, sadly I find myself thinking along those lines myself – an awful lot. Newspeak is real and is now spreading. It is not only the cult that uses a version; one can hear and read Newspeak issuing from practically every source of information nowadays. It is grim and disturbing.

  • Check out this right wing shitbag’s Facebook Page. He’s a typical Republican asshole.

    • Bwah!

    • TheRupture

      His LinkedIn page is a real hoot too. Where is Texahoma anyway? When I read his blurb about his Infinity company, I know I was convinced this was a genuine pro fesh un uhl.

      http://www.linkedin.com/pub/frank-pate/b/83/bb0

      • lucille austero

        OMG – this stuff is so thick with the BS my head hurts. And as a fan of motor sports, I’m totally bummed.

        • TheRupture

          He also claims he is currently VP Marketing of Joker Racing Products. Interesting because JRP status is listed as “Permanently Revoked”. This one learned well at the bottom of Hubbard’s pit. Scientologists’ resumes are written by devoted fans of Alice in Wonderland.

          http://www.companies-nevada.com/joker-racing-products-llc-q9u7/
          Joker Racing Products, LLC, status revoked

          http://www.nvannualreport.com/entities-DLLC-JOKER-RACING-PRODUCTS-LLC.aspx

        • Captain Howdy

          The ex-federal marshal guy that OSA hired to spy on Marty & Monique after they moved, was involved in auto racing also.Steve Sloat, he was a race driver.

          • lucille austero

            This gives me a sad.

            • Captain Howdy

              refresh

            • lucille austero

              Oh it’s worse. I cannot upvote this!

              ETA: thankfully, there is no sponsorship on his firesuit.

            • Captain Howdy
            • lucille austero

              “it will compete on the local circuit.” Uh huh. That really went well.

            • lucille austero

              ETA: I have a t-shirt that says, “I wear the firesuit in this family!”

            • Qbird

              btw Capt. I checked the names of Nascar racers for season ’05 ’06 & ’07 and this guy, Kenton Gray & the #27 car did NOT race on any track.
              Nice picture, but the guy didn’t make the cut, even tho —
              “It’s markedly improved my focus and my consistency,” said Gray in a
              statement. “Through Dianetics I’ve handled stress and increased my
              performance and ability to compete — both on the track and in life.”

      • Vaquera

        Texahoma is west of Texarkana. No joke. 🙂

        • TheRupture

          But it sure sounds funny. Thanks.

    • HappypantsDance

      He looks smarmy. And he likes Yanni. There’s really nothing likable about this guy at all.

      • Todd Tomorrow

        That’s a great, Nirvana album. Other than that they won’t let me see much since I don’t have a, FB acct.

    • Todd Tomorrow

      I’m not on, FB what gives his right wing, tea bagger bullshit away?

  • Panopea Abrupta

    Red-X Red-X Red-X

    Wanted: Dud and a Liar
    I’m Fascination-bound, Fascination-bound
    Shackles on my ankles, I’m Fascination-bound
    Just can’t stop and turn around
    Cos’ I am Fascination-bound.

    Woke up this mornin’, lawman wi’ his hound
    Said “You done took that money
    And now you’re going down.”
    Put shackles on my ankles, Fascination-bound.

    Take ’em down here:
    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-Kvg78kCcvo5gL7UfPcmhmbsagTNtdj0y2LAiHVFrCU/pubhtml

    Dave DOES get to keep his Lobbs:

  • Pete Griffiths

    “In the beginning he would sort of quote Scientology, giving sort of an off-beat version of it” in order to build confidence in an investor. How does that work again?

    • I want to hear the beat version of it, or maybe rap.

      • TheRupture

        From his blog it sounds like he plans on saving the rap for his former freez/indie investor buddies. Cringing now realized that he probably is dancing in his underwear like a Tom Cruise flick. I’m waiting for his next blog entry: “They couldn’t get enough of me down in The Bunker. They loved me. They really, really loved me.” This kind is eating up the attention. Reminds me of some kind of predatory critter that escapes me at the moment.

      • flyonthewall

        Beatnik scientologists are the worst. I should know, I’m a medical doctor – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUNdYoy1AUM

        • ze moo

          That lady is ready for an involuntary psych admission.

          • flyonthewall

            Or an introspection rundown. Second thought, maybe what we’re seeing is the result of an IR 🙂

            • Todd Tomorrow

              Or, What is it,” baby watch”,where they have bugs draw the bloods out of your theaten’s.

    • Xique

      Saw your YouTube earlier. Flunk, you smiled a little.

  • Sejanus

    Go to jail…see how fast he is spread thin like pate.

  • Ardent

    “What has been so fascination bound…” Sounds like a Scientologist, too. No grammar to speak of.

    • Xique

      I had to reread that a couple of times. “Say what?” said I. My grammar is probably not much better however.

      • Ardent

        I’d bet your grammar is far better.

  • Bob

    Scientology is a perfect environment for scam artists because clams trust clams. After being burnt once or twice I decided that just because a person was a quasi-ethicologist doesn’t mean I should trust him. There are still scambag clams running around in good standing who should be in jail.
    I know so many clams who lost their life savings with Reid Slatkin and the cherch LOVED Reid.

    • Congratulations you graduated from Scientology

      -Ron

      • Bob

        Thanks Ron. It’s been a lonnnnnng road out.

    • TheRupture

      and also because it’s a crime to report a crime. Scientology provides cover for the perps no matter what kind of crime. Some even get a commission or a trophy.

      • Bob

        It’s all about “preventing PR flaps” regardless of who gets hurt. Protect the cherch and Ron’s good name at all costs.

        • vistaril_LOL

          Yes. What’s a bit of child abuse or slave labor when the future of mankind is at stake? K_unts,

          • Bob

            What’s a bit of fraud, larceny, theft, cheating, perjury, harassment and mayhem when the future of mankind is at stake. All in the name of total freedom.

        • TheRupture

          True, PR flaps and preventing top management, top salesmen and wealthy customers from going to prison.

          • Bob

            Yes, “save thigh ass” is the watchword in Scientology not save the world.

  • George Layton

    If you think your on home plate but your really out in left field, does that make every place else seem like left field?

  • Eugene K

    Being ethical requires that one is responsible. Scientology actually reduces responsibility since Hubbard redefined what responsibility actually meant… so…

  • Truthiwant

    I look at it this way:

    Scientology say that they can give you the tools to do anything you want in life and as a result, to succeed and to prosper.

    Bernie Madoff wasn’t a Scientologist, but he got away for years with the biggest Ponzi scheme of all time. The money he owed his clients at the end was in the region of 20 billion dollars.

    Frank Pate, on the other hand, who was an aspiring Homo Novis Scientologist, started his own Ponzi Scheme, but only managed to extort something short of 2 million dollars of his client’s money.

    I think this is sufficient evidence and proof that Scientology technology just does not work.

  • nottrue

    Scientology has it’s own meaning for ethics…..from..Ethics and the conditions L.Ron Hubbard……

  • Panopea Abrupta

    $cientology for the win.

    One person’s win:
    “I’m not angry anymore, as more and more people rediscover their true
    selves through Scientology, together we WILL achieve a world without
    war, crime, and insanity.”

    Rex Fowler, OTVII, before shooting his
    ex-partner three times in the head and then himself.

    • Observer

      Man, that is a sucker punch. Very powerful.

    • TheRupture

      Committed another high crime in Scientology: getting caught. He was on his way to Ideal Scientologist status too. Now he’s just another one of their Disappeared while smouldering in a prison cell.

  • sugarplumfairy

    Just so hard to believe that one scientologist would take advantage of another scientologist ..

    =)

  • Todd Tomorrow

    I’m not the least bit surprised that his fellow, clamsmen made perfect targets. If reggers show up at your house in the middle of the night on, Wed. nights getting you to up your credit cards to buy another set of, The Basics you probably become accustom to being scammed. What’s another mortgage on the old farm to hopefully recoup some of your bleeding bank acct.

  • Jimmy3

    I can’t believe these Scientologists fell for such a scam.

    • Observer

      Snort!

    • vistaril_LOL

      someone literally had a bridge to sell ’em – LOL

    • DrGreatCham

      Unfortunately, when people WANT to believe in “something for nothing,” they’ll do almost anything to support it. While LRH was growing up, there was a serial killing, bank-robbing terrorist getting world-wide props for his little scam. He managed to get everyone from Church of England clergymen to a Pulitzer-Prize winning New York Times reporter to aid and abet him.

      • Jimmy3

        John Dillinger?

        • DrGreatCham

          Nope, he was a bad old boy from the mountains of Georgia…

          Not OUR Georgia, that is…

          • Jimmy3

            Stalin was 5’5″ 165. Pudgy.
            Dillinger is listed at 5’7″ 153. Average, but that 2 inch height advantage can swing this.

            I’m going to stick with Dillinger, just in case this is a hypothetical fight scenario.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              I am totally going with Stalin!

            • Jimmy3

              Why do you hate America?!

            • Captain Howdy

              Read “The Court of the Red Tsar”. There’s a lot more too Joe then i thought or most people think for that matter.

            • Jimmy3

              I knew you were a true commie. Only a true commie is on a first name basis with Stalin. “Joe”. I’m keeping my god-fearing, freedom-loving American eyes on you, Howdy.

            • DrGreatCham

              Stalin went out hunting in the dead of winter in Siberia…for FUN, while in the Tsar’s prison camps.

              I think he can handle a little grass-green punk like John-Boy Dillinger.

            • Jimmy3

              Oh, Stalin hunted? That’s cute. Dillinger didn’t have to hunt. Dillinger’s game of choice was DANGER, and it always came to him.

            • DrGreatCham

              Dillinger wasn’t the sociopath that Stalin was, besides, we’re talking about con artistry. Stalin was so accomplished that many of his victims refused to believe that -he- was responsible even when his minions were preparing to blow their brains out.

            • Jimmy3

              Oh, I was talking about a 1v1 fight, and for no reason in particular. Of course Stalin was the greater evil. But it got me thinking about which U.S. Presidents could have kicked Stalin’s ass in a cage fight. Obviously Lincoln, as he was a giant and a wrestler. Honest win. But I was thinking about how tough Teddy Roosevelt must’ve been to give a long speech immediately after getting shot in the chest, and it turns out that was 102 years ago today, October 14th, 1912. Coincidence? I think not. That guy could definitely whip some commie ass.

            • DrGreatCham

              Teddy was a trained boxer and wrestler. He also was one of the first American students of judo, as the following relates:

              http://www.thepostgame.com/blog/throwback/201210/teddy-roosevelt-athletic-president-fitness-wrestling-boxing

            • Captain Howdy

              Baaah! George Nelson was twice as badass as either one..so was John Wesley Hardin.

  • Truthiwant

    There are quite a number of new Ron and Mary Sue comic strips up! http://wp.me/5clPR I hope you can gain some wisdom from them!

    • Pierrot

      quite a collection. Where do you get your inspiration? Bravissimo!

      • Truthiwant

        Ron Hubbard was an appalling and odious person, but he was also fascinating, in that he had the audacity to promote a continuous lie to thousands or even hundreds of thousands of people for his whole life. It is a lie that, remarkably, exists until this day!

        Now, that takes some beating!

        When somebody is just so wacky, it really is not so difficult to satire that person.

        I have over 100 comic strips for the series already written. Some of the last ones, not yet published, are actually quite absurd and entertaining!

  • vistaril_LOL

    up the bridge, improving everyday – for the oldschool brits….”Some Cultz do ‘ave ’em”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vb5zwLbwds

  • nottrue

    OT…..

    • Captain Howdy

      CoS has had a Scout Troop that they sponsor for years.

      • Observer

        This pic gives me a sad. He wasn’t a monster yet.

        • Frodis73

          I know. He was a cute little kid…that grew into a huge ass.

        • Jimmy3

          Don’t be fooled so easily. That’s not an innocent kid, that right there is the youngest Eagle Scout in this or any other galaxy’s history. He could have killed someone with a pine cone from 100 yards away.

        • Has anyone ever done reliable research on his early life and what the hell happened to him? I always wonder what the hell his parents told him — I mean besides the blindness thing.

          • Jimmy3

            His brain was actually included in a massive defect recall, but he didn’t know about it because he was off mapping parts of China that had never been mapped.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              freaking Chevy!

          • Juicer77

            Who knows what goes one behind closed doors, however… In Barefaced Messiah his aunt and several other family members made comments to the effect that they really loved him and he grew up to be a stranger to them. Tellingly, they all seem to have doted on this only child. After much pondering, I truly believe his brain was wired strangely. Mostly nature with a touch of nurture. He was a classic “user” personality who valued adoration above all else. In the end he sacrificed everything – family, sanity, his own body – to his unquenchable thirst for self-aggrandizement. He just collapsed in on himself like a black hole.

        • Monsters can look like that.

        • Qbird

          No, not yet, but he’s on his way… he learned & liked to dressed up
          in uniforms, earned merit badges, which mean nothing outside of the
          scouting world & wanted, needed & got, status… Eagle Scout.
          heh. Sure. Good kid.
          Oh and he learned he loved adventurin’! (at least Mom & Dad aren’t here, telling me what to do.)
          His beginnings: a play actor, goin’ for the PR photo shot, and then learned to lie his ass off about his achievements.

          Meanwhile, for balance, on the other side of the planet, a 13 year old huntress, Ashol Pan, goes to work in Mongolia.

          From Nat. Geo.

        • Eileen

          Check out the tilt to the hat! It’s the same as his army photos.

      • Remy

        Aberration, hopefully we won’t get more of these freaks

    • TheRupture

      Is that a pod?

  • Suppressive Tomato

    He was only in it for the clams.

    • 1.1

      Nom. I had clams from New Zealand last weekend…in a light garlic, cream, thyme & white wine sauce. Delicious. They really are clearing the planet in ANZO.

      • Suppressive Tomato

        You’ve restimmed my appetite!

  • vistaril_LOL

    Didn’t the Sex Pistols say “we all get cash from chaos”?

    • Captain Howdy

      That was their manger Malcolm McLaren’s schtick. He ripped them off, later they sued him and won the rights to everything.

  • 1.1

    OT: I am very excited about the coming of a setup for a severe fleecing in East Grinstead this weekend, but what will Shelly wear at the IAS Gala?

    • vistaril_LOL

      orange jumpsuit?

      Didnt anyone ask the british home office to ban Miscavige ?

      • Sid

        At one time they did ban the entry of all Scientologists coming into the UK from out of the country.

        • TheRupture

          Maybe while they’re all over there under the big tent this weekend, the U.S. can whip up a surprise ban for entry back here. It’s about time we got a turn!

      • Suppressive Tomato

        He’d find a way through customs … (refresh)

  • Panopea Abrupta

    For your viewing pleasure, I just created a LilFiveOne video:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wk-bHj106AI

    • Jo

      Brilliant.

    • Captain Howdy

      One of the best Hitler Rants I’ve seen on YT.

    • Missionary Kid

      PA, you really outdid yourself. I’m still smiling. May this really be the end of Davy Thumb!

    • Graham

      “I’ll tear their hearts out. I always wanted one”. LOL + ROFL x47!!

    • HappypantsDance

      “I’ll tear their hearts out! I always wanted one!” OMG, Pan, that is brilliant!

    • Jimmy3

      So good

    • TheRupture

      Sensational, comedy gold and with a just s whisp of irony Brava! Thank you for script. Miscavige is running out scriptwriters as fast as leak plugs you know. Hey, there’s always that new studio gig coming up. Shame to have it go to waste.

    • Frodis73

      Bloody brilliant!

    • Michael Leonard Tilse

      That looks like Greta Van Sustren at 1:19. Funny!

    • Bob

      PA, Hilarious. CICs. Forgot exactly what it means. I know its a Davey nasty. Thanks for many chuckles and laughs.

      • Techie

        Counter-Intentioned C*** Sucker. Closely related to the similar Counter-Intentioned Mother F***er and Counter Intentioned Son of A Bitch. C-i s O B? is that what it really means? The things you learn on the Internet! The purpose of the Sea Org is to get in the Exact degree of Ethics, Tech and Admin on the planet. To do that the steely-eyed Ethics officers and intrepid Sea Org Missionaires remove any Counter and Other intention that they find. Counter intentioned to what? Why Command Intention of course, when LRH was alive that meant his every whim or wild idea, now that he is gone it is the ruling Command Intention of Captain Dave Miscavige himself! Highest ranking officer, Loyal Officer and overall really cool guy, in charge and you better know it! My way or the High way. Sh*** rolls downhill. Don’t feel like another all-nighter trying to sell the 5th set of basics to some unfortunate whale? Get that CI off the lines! Pick up that phone! Think you might be pregnant? Drop the Other Intention, get the situation Taken Care Of and I don’t want to see or hear about it again! Are we theety weety wittle snookums alll upset because we can’t call mommy on her birthday? Cut the Counter Intention and Other Intention you CICS and get back to work! That block wall is not going to be laid by itself and I don’t want to hear about another inspection by Command where it isn’t done. All night? I Don’t Care if it takes three nights without sleep, get the damn thing done before I get my face ripped off again!There, Bob, I even used it in a sentence for you. Maybe you weren’t around these people too much, or were never on the RPF, but the above is not really that exaggerated. A Sea Org member is supposed to have no intentions, dreams or opinions of his own. He is supposed to align his every thought and act to Command Intention. If Command Intention is to put 10,000 people in a 7,000 occupancy tent it is not the Sea Org member’s right to wonder why, his is but to do or die. I thank the Lord every day I am out of that, and pray for those still enslaved. Tick Tock, Dave.

    • Illinoisian

      Applause. Applause. Applause.
      Beautifully done.

    • Eileen

      Hilarious.

    • Robert Eckert

      “Don’t worry, we can still be broke and deluded and wear silly superhero costumes” was my personal favorite.

    • Artoo45

      Genius. It runs in the Bunker Blood™.

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      Oh Panopea, that is terrific!

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      More pieces than Jack Parsons……wow, pulled that one out of left field. I love it!

  • After indexing the Bunker last night, I carried on and finished indexing and cross-referencing the Voice Voice too. All I can say is: Tony has been very busy!

    (A handful of that number will be shoutouts in other writers’ columns.)

    • Tony Ortega

      Ay, carumba!

    • Captain Howdy

      Dam! You’ve been as busy as the proverbial beaver. Hey..any leftover goose or maple leaf pie?

    • Jimmy3

      So tomorow’s post will be #1337. Heh

      • We’re here. I haven’t added today yet. :^P

        • Jimmy3

          Hurray

        • TheRupture

          Thank you for this. It looks like a tremendous effort, one fueled by a full steam of something or other. Important work and it is appreciated.

    • FromPolandWithLove

      WOOOW You did great job:):) Thank You

    • George Layton

      tom cruise relies on dave to supply him with adoring slaves. The whales provided with slaves are also appreciative of little dave.

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      That’s a lot of posts!!!

  • Truthiwant

    What is the difference between a Ponzi scheme and Scientology?

    With a Ponzi scheme, you simply hand over your assets, they are pillaged by the holder, and you end up broke.

    With Scientology, at the same time that you hand over your assets, your spirit and soul are pillaged and you end up not just broke, but also without a mind.

    • 0tessa

      Conclusion: Scientology is a financial and psychological Ponzi scheme. You literally sell your soul to the devil.

      • “The Devil is a Looser and he’s my Bitch”

        • 0tessa

          Good evening, sir. You still think you outsmart the devil?

      • kemist

        Normally when you sell, you get something in return.

        These guys pay to “sell” their souls…

    • Captain Howdy

      Scientology use to be a pyramid scheme because other people (mission holders, regs, auditors) use to make some decent money off of it also.

      • Todd Tomorrow

        An elderly lady from, Italy said, back in the day, Debbie Cook was a vicious regger. She’d lock this person up and get her to borrow money from her wealthy friends. Then, Deb would drive up in a new car when she got her cut. I can’t remember what percentage they got but you’re right some made quite a lot.

        • Captain Howdy

          I heard that story also. I think they get 10%.

          • Todd Tomorrow

            She got millions out of this lady. She finally left nearly broke. Died a year or so ago. 10% of a million, say in a week is great money. But having to live with yourself would be a different story.

        • grundoon
          • daytoncapri

            Grun … this is amazing.

    • Bob

      Pretty accurate.

  • 0tessa

    Interesting to read that Mike Rinder mentions in his today’s post the upcoming storm that is going to hit Scientology in the very near future … What do Rinder and Rathbun know what we don’t (yet)?

    • Eclipse-girl

      I thought it is the IAS thingie

    • Eileen

      I think they know lots that we don’t know. I’m expecting anything from the release of OT IX and X, to Hubbard is back (and his name is Jamie DeWolfe), to Shelley has actually been at Target Two and now returns triumphant with personal messages from LRH to each of the whales. I suspect the message is “give more moneeeee” but I’m sure the buzz will be immense.
      Let’s face it, the only move left is a “Hail Mary Pass” (props to Catholics).

    • TheRupture

      Just a storm? There’s been a massive reversal of climate change patterns for Scientology. This is the season of our discontent, a revolt in the stars, it’s a, well, you get the picture. He’s overdue for some serious head on a pike action, maybe an entire field of them, to explain it all away. Maybe South Africa and L.A. org will be at least an honorable mention.

      I’ll take a stab at another fun guess. All these celebs suddenly getting a pass on OT 7 was manipulated so they can now knock off their CICS dilettante artsy meandering and get busy promoting his new pre frontal front group, Voice of Humanity, as official ambassadors of his great and ominous ecclesiasticalness.
      They’ll be seen less in Burbank studios and more at KCET studios, the bestest studio in the whole world.

  • nottrue

    Great part for Katie……

  • Vaquera

    The Saint Hill Annual Charity Gala on October 19th. Nancy Cartwright is the Master of Ceremonies. Her Royal Governor’s real name is actually on the PR page, but the word Scientology is no where to be found. Such a juggling act.

    http://www.sainthillmanor.org.uk/news.html

    If you don’t want to switch over to the website, refresh…

    • Todd Tomorrow

      Looks like they’ll use their usual traveling circus of B talent like, Jim messcan to join her. What a mess. I wonder if she does Bart’s voice?

      • Vaquera

        “She can use Bart’s voice in public but cannot record original dialogue without approval.”
        -Heresay

        There is zero chance that the event will NOT be recorded on film, so I assume she won’t lapse into Bart-speak.

    • TheRupture

      All I want to know is if Tom Cruise shows up. Oh, and Shelly Miscavige, of course.

    • Frodis73

      Omg, they actually make the checks payable to the charities….I’m shocked.

      • Vaquera

        As was I!!!! I googled around to see if the two beneficiaries were $cio front groups, but found no evidence tying them to the cherch.

        • Frodis73

          LOL! I also assumed they were front groups at first. Dear Scientology, you are just too predictable.

  • Panopea Abrupta
  • As we start to move forward to address the charges, we are already seeing many elements of the case that are way out in left field.

    I used to play left field in LL baseball, you insensitive clod!

    • TheRupture

      I’m pretty sure he’s out standing in a field of dreams. Wonder how much longer it will take before he takes that blog down. I’m about recuperated, so it was interesting reading in bed while it lasted.

  • grundoon
    • Michael Leonard Tilse

      A very excellent essay. I agree wholeheartedly with what Anonymous says there. It is one of those that should be read by everyone.

    • Bob

      I agree. Well written and common sense.

    • Ruby

      Thank you for that. I had not seen it and it is indeed a great comment.

  • Michael Leonard Tilse

    I was reflecting on the nature of ‘catfish’ today, thinking of Dr. Phil talking to some of them on his show. At least some of them kept upping the ante by making ever more outrageous claims or demands for money while claiming all kinds of illness and life disasters. One woman he interviewed was trying to get one of the Internet “Friends” she had made to bail on her by making her life seem so horrible it would drive them away.

    Of course, the friend was loyal and doubled down with the caring and support.

    I wonder if in some very weird and warped way Deceitful Mumblemouth is trying to drive folks away by demanding ever more money and commitment. By making being a scientologist an impossible job. And justifying the damage he is doing to them by the view they deserve it if they cannot figure it out.

  • N. Graham
  • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

    One year today.

    It has actually been one year today since I started monitoring the Alexa stats for The Bunker. Inspired by another poster, I forget who, I made this my daily contribution to show the demise of the cult of scientology, and how one man on the fringes of the internet is more relevant than a billion dollar criminal organization.

    There have been ups and downs, highs and lows, but never has Der Slapmeister ever been close to the rankings that our COB (Chairman Of the Bunker) has had. Alexa changes their matrices once in a while, so the rankings have changed a lot since one year ago, but even if Tony now is ranked 23,651 in the US, that’s nowhere near the lowest he has been. With an estimated 500 million live websites on the internet, Tony’s rank is absolutely nothing to be ashamed of. One year ago Tony was ranked 9,402 and Mini Pope was ranked 31,813. The highest rankings since then have been 8,696 and 31,502 respectively. Lowest ranks have been 27,077 and 88,801 respectively. So as we can see – even Slappy’s highest rank can’t even match Tony’s lowest.

    I want to thank all my friends here in the underworld for your love and support during the year that has passed, and I am thankful for all your comments, and the time you take to read my stat-posts.

    Looking forward to another year of posting stats, although I hope the total demise of the “church” will be imminent, and that my services sooner, rather than later, will no longer be needed 🙂

    Much love from Norway.

    Alexa update for October 14: *refresh for images*

    Alexa has notified they will be updating their calculation matrix in October. So expect some changes in the rankings this month.

    Tony: US rank #23,651 – down 94 from yesterday. (Average rank last 3 months: 18,813)
    scientology: US rank #66,067 – down 1,063 from yesterday. (Average rank last 3 months: 61,147)

    Difference: 42,416 – 969 more than yesterday. (Average difference last 3 months: 42,333)

    • Missionary Kid

      First, thanks for your efforts. They are appreciated.

      Next, you came up with another name for DM: Der Slapmeister. It’s now on the list, DAVID MI$CAVIGE NICKNAMES http://tonyortega.org/2014/06/12/more-proof-of-kerri-kasems-scientology-involvement-and-laura-prepon-lies-like-a-rug/#comment-1563541963

      • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

        You are Der Listmeister, MK!

        You do an amazing job, going through all the posts every day to compile ever growing lists of J&D of the cult. A big thank you to you too!

        And it’s always an honor to be added to one of your lists 🙂

        • Missionary Kid

          Consider it thanks for your efforts to keep us informed, as well as an apt nickname.

    • Eclipse-girl

      We love what you do.
      Its hard to keep things going for a year and for that you deserve congratulations.

      • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

        You guys make it less of an effort. I do this just as much for you guys as for my own amusement 🙂

      • Pierrot

        Hi Eclipse Girl,
        I did not have the opportunity to thank you for your reminders. Thank you very much for helping, we will call on you again.
        All my sympathies to you and your daughter for the dramatic loss of her cat.
        ty Grace & Cars (has Cars been back yet?)

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Has it really been a year? How time flies…

      • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

        I know! Sometimes it goes so fast you hardly even notice it wizzing by.

    • Jo

      Thanks, Johnny Tank.

    • Scientology’s rank is even more pathetic when you take into account the Millions of members it has.

      • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

        At last count they had eleventy billion members, but when you forbid them to surf the web these are the ranks you get…

        • Maybe they are counting all the thetans in that tally.

          • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

            If you also include the x47 expansion, then you would roughly reach that number 😉

      • Missionary Kid

        Unfortunately, I was chewing some peanuts when I read “…take into account the Millions of members it has.”

        Dammit, it’s hard to clean a keyboard of small peanut pieces. It’s worth it. Great snark!

        • My keys on this laptop are always sticking due to the shower of crumbs it gets. Especially when someone posts a pic and I can only see the top half and go to scroll down 🙂

        • Its the Aussie in me. I can usually pic out the fellow Australians here because we all have that dry snarky sense of humour.

          • Missionary Kid

            I love the people from Oz that appear here. You all have a different take on things that doesn’t tolerate bullshit, but take it on with a sense of humor.

            • Barbara Angel

              Maybe, but I’ve found Oz humour is often missed here, misunderstood or taken seriously. Hard to make a joke in a different version of English, without seeing or hearing facial expressions and tone of voice. Same I suppose with American humour, it’s often difficult to understand and must be read twice to understand someone is trying to make a joke. I think we really could do with some emoticoms to avoid misunderstandings. Especially the satirical dry humour and what is known as ‘black humour’ we in Oz have and understand so well. Hate to mention this, but Paul Hogan and the first Crocodile Dundee movie had our Oz humour in abundance. Dry but sharp, delivered with a dead pan expression.

            • Missionary Kid

              Maybe it’s because I expect it from Australia that I seem to catch on when they’re being dry.

              You’re right about emoticons being necessary at times, but I certainly do like black humor. It seems to say, “You think things are bad, how about this?”

    • Qbird

      Good interesting #’s, sweet Johnny Tank.
      Thank you for keeping track ~ Forever Autumn.

      • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

        Nice picture. Autumn is a nice time of year, even though it is the time of death for many plants and animals…

    • Captain Howdy

      HAPPY ANNIVERSARY

      • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

        Thank you, Captain!

    • Vaquera

      Such a lovely comment Johnny T. Thank you for helming the online statistics. I get a little thrill each day to see how useless the hired East Indian click farms are compared to Tony’s conscientious, well written reports. It takes a blog!!

      • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

        Just goes to show that the truth always prevails.

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      Thank you Johnny Tank / Forever Autumn, thank you so much for pulling up and posting these stats so consistently. I look forward to it every day, but only rarely do I take the time to thank you. Happy Anniversary and I would love to meet you at the demise party, when the cult goes down to eleventy million on the charts…

      • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

        I wouldn’t miss that party for anything!

    • Baby

      Happy Anniversary Johnny! That qualifies you to be the sperm donor of my next baby..Yay

      You rock Johnny. You may seem unappreciated at times..but you are just so appreciated..love me

      • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

        Chief Inseminator Int. *chuckle* You know, Baby, somtimes I question your sanity 😉 (though more often than not, I question my own sanity)

        • Baby

          ” I’m not crazy, My mom had me tested..”

          Sheldon Cooper ( Big Bang Theory) xox

    • FollowTheMoney

      Love your work, JT.

      • DodoTheLaser

        And I love your handle, FTM.

  • outraged

    omg, I had no idea how much Scientology shit is on ebay until Media latest post about TC’s show size. lol
    http://scientologybollocks.blogspot.co.uk/2014/10/scientology-super-power-sneakers.html

    FYI: at this moment in time, the highest selling Scientology artifact is this (including shipping)

    • outraged

      And the lowest selling is this,

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        The actual lowest selling item is this scurrilous “documentary” exposing the evils of the DSM. As you can see, it fetched what it was worth:

        • Unless someone payed for that DVD with a bag of belly button lint then they payed too much.

          • Jimmy3

            There’s J&D in them thar discs

            • outraged

              Buyers beware: use some antibacterial soap first.

            • Captain Howdy

              Make sure to watch it in a mirror so you don’t get brainwashed and turn into The Clearwater Candidate

        • outraged

          This is my favorite. For under $4 I can find out what is Scientology by October 30th.

      • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

        Oooh, only one left! Better hurry on over…

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      That is the highest a piece is being offered at. It hasn’t actually sold at that price. They can put any price they want on something– it isn’t worth that until someone pays. Here is the actual highest selling recent artifact:

    • Todd Tomorrow

      Is that, Jason B’s garage?

  • Techie

    Captain Howdy conjectured down-thread that the old school Scientology could be compared to a Ponzi scheme or a pyramid scheme, really it was more like a Multi-Layered Marketing setup (Amway and others are somewhat similar). Well, certainly it has that aspect – a Field Staff Member can rake in the dough by taking a percentage of everything their “Selectee” pays into Scientology. You find these FSMs like vultures on the fringes of Scientology, not really working but lurking for new people to con and then getting their cut. Tenorio also talks about doing this for Narconon. Also, when Missions and Groups were still active you could get payments for services you deliver as a trained auditor for example, always sending a percentage to the local org. With the flow of new people nearly cut off now, this traditional money maker has dried up a bit, but I think you can still be an “IAS FSM” or get a percentage of the Ideal Org donations. So these themed Pirate straight donation events may have some real pirates in the back room taking a cut of the take. At the IAS event, in the old days when I was involved (up to 2004) they would do the big event Friday night. Then Jeff Pomerantz and a few high powered IAS types would disappear downstairs to the basement of the Castle to do call-in for donations. They would call event attendees and hit them up for Patron status and above, use the thrilling revelations in the the event to hit up whales all over the world into the wee hours of the morning. If they couldn’t get some $1,000,000s by morning they were in deep trouble. I don’t doubt that some of that money was destined for the pockets of the high powered IAS types. Jeff Pomerantz didn’t drive a VW and I know he didn’t make the big bucks acting like he was dying in the old soaps. You can’t call it all a big Ponzi scheme because some of it was money paid for goods and services that were actually delivered, though of questionable value. But there is a lot of money changing hands and not all of it goes to pay for door handles and crosses on the roof.

    • Captain Howdy

      I remember vaLLarrr (youtube troll) constantly bragging about how much money she made as a repair auditor.

      And there is a difference between a ponzi scheme and a pyramid scheme. http://money.howstuffworks.com/ponzi-scheme3.htm

      • Graham

        Good link Captain. It does annoy me when people use ‘Ponzi scheme’ as if it = any kind of financial scam. It is a specific type of scam, and $camatology is much more like MLM. Definitely not a Ponzi as, amongst other things, it’s not presented to the mark as an “investment opportunity”.

  • DodoTheLaser

    Something is brewing.

    A bit of relative calm before the storm on the horizon.
    http://www.mikerindersblog.org/lies-lies-lies/

  • Pierrot

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    Monday and Tuesday were very busy in flagistan,
    the consolidation and updating of the various lists will be done by 5am edt, check the write up and recommendation about it at wwp: https://whyweprotest.net/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-116#post-2490177

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    DON’T route out, BLOW, Get HELP, get OUT. CALL 1-866-XSEAORG

    Ty Obs, we all need it this morning!

  • Truthiwant

  • DodoTheLaser

    Off topic. With all the recent Ebola scare, I found this article relevant.

    “5 Reasons America Can Calm the F#@% Down About Ebola”

    Read more: http://www.cracked.com/quick-fixes/why-americans-need-to-calm-f234025-down-about-ebola/#ixzz3GCksDcAA

  • daytoncapri
  • smew

    I swear I went to kindergarten in Tustin with this guy.