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Jon Atack takes his presentation — ‘Scientology: The Cult of Greed’ — to Russia

Jon_AtackJon Atack is the author of A Piece of Blue Sky, one of the very best books on L. Ron Hubbard and Scientology. He has a new edition of the book for sale, and for more than a year on Saturdays he helped us sift through the legends, myths, and contested facts about Scientology that tend to get hashed and rehashed in books, articles, and especially on the Internet. He was kind enough to send us a new post.

Jon, tell us about your recent trip to Russia.

JON: I was in St Petersburg, last week, as a guest of the Irenaeus Centre for Religious Studies, which hosted a conference for priests and bishops from the Orthodox Church and various other interested individuals and organizations. The conference was largely dedicated to Scientology, and I had the privilege of being the keynote speaker.

First let me assign a condition of Sharkbait to the Russian OSA. This condition was initiated by L. Ron Hubbard in 1968, as a way of overcoming study difficulties on the new Class VIII course. To create the best atmosphere for learning, Hubbard added “Sharkbait” to his “ethics conditions,” whereby erring students would be quickly rehabilitated by a quick dip in the Mediterranean. It has more usually been called “overboarding.” Apart from a phone call posing as a TV company interested in interviewing me, OSA Russia were inactive. So, into the pond with the lot of you!

I had the great good fortune to stay in the Alexander Nevsky Lavra, which was founded by Tsar Peter in 1710 and is in the Russian baroque style. A “lavra” is a monastery where bishops are trained. The monastery compound houses a splendid cathedral. It adjoins three cemeteries, one of which has the graves of Dostoevsky, Tchaikovsky, Mussorgsky, Rimsky-Korsakov and Borodin. Another, immediately in front of the cathedral, has Soviet graves, featuring the red star instead of the cross. The most unusual has a model of an electricity pylon, as a monument to the workers who died bringing electricity to the Soviet Union.

The conference began with a solemn ceremony. Very unlike the atmosphere of the talk I gave last month to a group of former Jehovah’s Witnesses, in Hendon. A robed bishop intoned a baritone prayer. Heads are bowed, and, all around me, attendees make the sign of the cross. It is a solemnity I haven’t witnessed since childhood, but it is somehow more profound than the Anglican church that I attended those many years ago.

We next heard endorsements from almost every country in the Orthodox sphere of influence. From Russia, Ukraine, Georgia, Belorussia, Kazakhstan, Romania, Bulgaria, Poland, Greece, Cyprus, Crete, Jerusalem and even the Lebanon. The focus is very much on Scientology and, for my sins, I am the uneasy star of the show.

My paper is twice as long as the allotted time, and I have to divide it over two days. The paper is called “Scientology: The Cult of Greed” and is an introduction to the subject. I have a power point presentation of about a hundred slides. At Hendon, my talk verged on stand up (it will be available on YouTube soon, I’m told). Here, I’m flying blind, with absolutely no audience response, as they listen attentively to the simultaneous translation into either Greek or Russian. It is a tad unnerving, but at the end of part one, there is applause, thankfully. I gave the second part in another hall in this beautiful, and recently renovated, monastery. Afterwards, there is a procession of people wanting to be photographed with me. The talk has significantly alarmed the attendees, who will take it back to their respective countries for translation and broad distribution.

The Orthodox Church has about 220 million parishioners, making it second only to the Roman Catholic Church in size, so it is the second largest organization in the world, by my reckoning. But where the Catholic Church has lost influence because of scandal, the Orthodox retains its authority, so the truth about Scientology will be spread far and wide in the next few weeks.

In the refectory, after part two of my talk, the Archbishop of Crete signals for me to join him. I noticed him the moment he arrived, because he exudes serenity. I’ve honestly never met anyone with such a calm heart. He tells me how important it is for the world to know about the dreadful Scientology organization. His English is perfect — he studied and worked in England as a young man, in the 1950s. He will ensure that my book, Let’s sell these people A Piece of Blue Sky, is translated into Greek (a Russian translation is already underway). We spent much of the evening together, and I was very impressed by this delightful man. It is hard to accept that a man with such a weight of responsibility is so calm and has such humility.

I hope to make my talk –- “Scientology: The Cult of Greed” — available on Kindle in the near future. Meanwhile, I would like to thank Professor Dvorkin of the Iranaeus Centre for his invitation and Victor, Darina, and Sotia for making sure that my stay was very pleasant indeed! And let me recommend the wonderful Hermitage Museum. Packed with three million artefacts, including some of the finest Rembrandts, two of the world’s 14 da Vinci’s and a room of Tahitian Gauguins.

 
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And here’s video of last month’s press conference in London. Jon’s part comes on about 43 minutes in…

 

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on September 29, 2014 at 07:00

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  • DodoTheLaser

    RED X MONDAY September 29th
    http://whyweprotest.net/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-114#post-2486742
    We do not advocate violence. We do advocate truth.
    Thanks to the original graphics artist (rehsup-001).

    • L.Ron Hubbard

      She sexy, Hubba Hubba

  • DodoTheLaser

    “And another thing…”
    You are very welcome, Tony!

    “We hope to continue to earn your attention.”
    You already know it, good sir. Thank you!

    Have a great day!

    • DodoTheLaser

      Almost forgot. 🙂

      • April

        What is that on their collars? Little suitcases?

        • i-Betty

          Unbelievably cute 🙂

        • Joe Hurtado

          Might they be a catcam project like at the University of Georgia at Athens where the followed outdoor kitties to understand their nocturnal prowlings?

          http://www.kittycams.uga.edu/

      • MrsLurksALot

        I am such a sucker for cats….I’m grinning now, thx!

        • DodoTheLaser

          Sure 🙂

        • DodoTheLaser

          Oh, look!

      • Joe Hurtado

        Hi, Dodo, I responded to April downthread with this:

        Might they be in a catcam project like at the University of Georgia at Athens where the followed outdoor kitties to understand their nocturnal prowlings?

        http://www.kittycams.uga.edu/

        Might it be the case that your kitties are research subjects about the secret lives of outdoor kitties and those are cameras hanging from their breakaway collars?

        I’ve only had Ge-Ge for three weeks and don’t have a good picture to post. They’re all dark since my cameraphone is on the crappy side and she’s converting to indoor now at the age of about 13.

  • Espiando

    There are some allies that I will accept in the battle against Scientology. The Orthodox Church is not one of them. Thanks to their influence, Russia passed those abominable anti-gay laws that can send a person to prison for providing advice to an acquaintance, and the Pride march in Serbia was not only the first in four years, but required a huge police patrol (and there was condemnation from the pulpit and counter-demonstrators ready for fag-bashing).

    Fuck them and the horse they rode in on.

    • DodoTheLaser
      • 1subgenius

        Thanks, yes I did.
        My favorite voices:
        k.d. lang
        Kiri Te Kanawa
        Patsy Cline

    • Fuck you.

      I can’t front – you’re an asshole. You have no respect for anyone but yourself. The world is changing, yes, but not because of people like you. Assholes like you still have targets on their back, and for good reason.

      • Baby

        FLAGGED..

      • Kim O’Brien

        WTF is YOUR problem ?

        • Espiando

          Vincent Vega up there has a beef with me from the last time he was here, when I called him out on being a complete moron and assclown. Personally, he can get fucked with a broomstick.

          And, Vinnie, yeah, I do have no respect for anyone but myself, and I am an asshole. These are facts known to everyone in the Bunker. So trying to Dead Agent me that way is a non-starter.

          • But what’s slept-on is you have nothing intelligent to say. Like, ever.

            Calling me ‘butthurt,’ because I made an important point about critical thinking? Is that intelligent? And now with the broomstick, because I called bullshit on your ignorance and lack of character?

            Shove it.

            • Espiando

              I think anyone here can come out with a huge list of “intelligent” things I’ve said here, thus making your presumption wrong. You never made an important point about anything. We’ve heard more coherent and intelligent things from Vinay about critical thinking than what you said, and considering that Vinay is thought of here as a complete blowhard and pseudo-intellectual, that says a lot.

              Get that broomstick and shove it up your ass so far it’ll come out of your throat, you little bitch.

            • Anonymous

              You are comparing him to Vinay?

              Now THAT is below the belt.

              Heh.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              I thought it was Vinay on pruno .

            • i-Betty

              Please, Vinnie, that’s nonsensical and unfair. You might have a personal problem with Espi, but he’s very far from ignorant, and he has a massive, huge, explosive character. He has 34671 comment upvotes, a people-powered demonstration that what he has to say is valued. Sometimes he can be a firecracker, but he’s passionate, and give me passionate over prosy every time.

            • You and no-girl like to congratulate each other how patient and kind you are, but it’s not really true, is it?

            • i-Betty

              We do? You wouldn’t have seen much patience and kindness this morning when we got a parking ticket for being 2 minutes late back to the car.

              Your first comment to Espi just came out of nowhere and it was really nasty. We’re not used to that here. We have our occasional high dramas and handbags at dawn, but not outright vitriol and insults.

              Anyway, I’m out. Espi is more than capable of handling this himself. Have a good day 🙂

            • Espi’s comment “just came out of nowhere and it was really nasty,” FYI.

            • Espiando

              Which comment? My original post? If that’s the case, let me assure you that the Orthodox Church is big enough and old enough to handle itself. It doesn’t need a pissant like you to defend them.

            • endoftheQ

              Bubbles, the flat pack, self-assembly bridge has arrived from IKEA. You gift wrapping it for Vinnie, or just letting him to wait on the bank before he gets to move in under it?! 😉

            • i-Betty

              Fabulous idea, dahling, simply fabulous! Underneath, where all the naughty trolls must go, I think.

              With gracious love, Bubbles Devere

            • NOLAGirl

              How the hell did I get drug into this? I don’t know what’s going on so I’ll just say that most people here, myself and i-Betty included, are patient and kind and also sometimes controversial and bitchy. It’s the many facets of the people here that make it fun and interesting.

              And since I don’t know you, and have no beef with you, keep my name out of your mouth.

            • “bitchy”

              You nailed it.

            • NOLAGirl

              Yep. That’s not something I’ve ever denied.

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              Not a bitch.

              The bitch.

              And that’s Ms. Bitch to you.

            • NOLAGirl

              Thank you 3D. For the record, I don’t agree that you’re an asshole. 🙂

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              Thanks. That’s one I am unwilling to embrace.

              (Eeeeeew!)

            • lucille austero

              Attacking people you don’t know in the comments section: massive fail. coward.

            • You should stop now, please.

            • Don’t start.

            • lucille austero

              hmm. I thought I just heard something. a low buzzing or humming sound. Is there a fly in the Bunker? (And I don’t me you, Fly ;))

            • Oh, calm down. Don’t try and threaten me.

            • Not a threat.

              Espiando can be abrasive, yes, but what he said today, I just wasn’t ready for it. The Russian Orthodox? Fuck them and the horse they rode in one? Maybe I didn’t have enough coffee yet, I don’t know.

              It ‘s an entire class of people. That includes gays, too, and probably some people who have nothing against it.

              It was such a wide swath, and here he is, with both guns blazing.

              Fuck it. I’m done.

            • lucille austero

              “Fuck it. I’m done.” Excellent 🙂

            • Espiando

              Hey, assclown, who said I was talking about the Orthodox people? No, dickwipe, I was talking about the Orthodox Church. There’s a fucking difference, you pile of ass sputum.

            • endoftheQ

              Bye, Felicia. 😉

            • SP Wannabe

              Patient, kind, controversial, bitchy, and brings beignets. Can I sit at your table?

            • Jimmy3

              Since this seems to be the best thread in which to take random shots at nolagirl, I just want to tell you that the football team you support is not very good. So there.

            • NOLAGirl

              Those lazy bums. *sigh* Can’t disagree with you Jimmy.

            • stillgrace2

              Oh, and a friend of mine got mugged during Mardi Gras last year!!! (wink)

            • NOLAGirl

              Sorry to hear that. 🙁

            • lucille austero

              I got drunk once in New Orleans. True story.

            • NOLAGirl

              Bahahaha!!!! I’m dying laughing over here Nat. Thank you. 😀

            • Captain Howdy

              Is that Erin from The Office?

            • Eclipse-girl

              looks like her

            • Chee Chalker

              Yes that is Erin

            • i-Betty

              I have no idea how you got pulled into this! Does he think we’re the same person? 😀

            • NOLAGirl

              Who knows? I think he just enjoys lashing out. I guess he was expecting us to engage in his foolishness.

            • endoftheQ

              If you have nothing nice to say about someone, may I sit next to you?! 😉

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              Hmmm.

              The statement “people like you still have a targets on their back for good reason” is not an important point about critical thinking. It’s intentionally provocative and hurtful. Espi can handle any of that with aplomb– and even a high degree of pushback. But don’t then start whining about how your valuable offerings are being treated like the steaming pile of shit they truly are.

            • Now I’m a bit surprised. That’s a strained argument if I ever heard one. Are you sure you want to go there?

              I have long admired your wit and wisdom. Let’s leave it at that.

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              Methinks you protest too mildly.

              If you had confined your ire for the one who posts here (ie: Espi) you would have been fine. But let’s get down to brass tacks. Attacking “People like you” with the suggestion that there’s a “good reason” for “targets on their backs” is also intentionally divisive. Yes, yes, many here have issues with homosexuality. (I do, so there.) Others have issues with socially conservative religious organizations. Others don’t like naughty language. (Just drop the word “cunt” in a post and see how well that works out for you.) But we are all here to discuss the abuses of Scientology as presented in daily blog posts. We are NOT here to encourage those who try to get us to squabble among ourselves over statements and ideas that are (drum roll) off topic.

              Hope that’s wise and witty enough for you, as I live for your approval. (And that was sarcastic, in case English is your second language.)

            • You’re an idiot. A complete asshole. Just thought you’d like to know. Now fuck off.

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              LOL!

              And here I’ve always found you so thoughtful and witty. Just shows you how big an idiot I am.

          • Suppressive Tomato

            “So trying to Dead Agent me that way is a non-starter.” LOL, nailed it. I generally find your posts entertaining, personally.

          • Vinnie Vega..lol Pulp Fiction fan? 🙂

      • George Layton

        Really he’s just stating his point of view in his own way, but so are you. A grain of salt and all that you know.

        • He’s taking a swipe at an entire class of people with their own history. All societies I ever heard of had rules about sex, and not always good ones. I believe in gay rights because I believe in understanding, not hate. That’s the difference between me and an intolerably stupid butt-boy like Espi-asshole.

          • Espiando

            What the fuck? “Taking a swipe”? I was pointing out the fact, please note, THE FACT, that various Eastern Orthodox churches are taking an active role in the promulgation of hatred toward sexual minorities, up to the point of encouraging violence and passing draconian laws. Please also note the use of present tense.

            You’re twenty pounds of idiocy shoved in a five-pound bag.

            • Stacy

              Which is a current issue because of the controversy over the gay rights parade that was lucky to take place at all. Them were strong words about the Orthodox Church, but I say well-spoken.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              It’s so overt that they are allowing the luring of gays in Russia only to have them pissed in a bath tub by ruski skinheads. They’ve passed legislation to not protect them. The Videos are too graphic for youtube sensors. But a Vice.com documentary showed a watered down version. Gay protesters are beaten and the police ignore it. So, Vinnie if you are for gay rights your venting up the wrong pole.

          • He’s stating a minority opinion. He is often very intelligent and insightful. Not always, but often. He is often crass — that is a part of some sci-critics’ culture. Why are you so angry at Espi, i-Betty and Nola (who did nothing btw)?

            • Robert Eckert

              He’s not angry at anybody. He is simply on a mission to cause disruption on this board.

          • joan nieman

            Don’t water the bad seed and it won’t grow.

            • So why did you respond, asshat?

            • valshifter

              are you and OSA troll, disrupting the subject at hand, which are scientology crimes?

        • endoftheQ

          You’d need Lot’s wife. 😉

    • endoftheQ

      +1. It’s just “my brand of sky pixie is better than your brand of sky pixie, nah na na na nah…” as far as I’m concerned. 😉

    • Kim O’Brien

      i totally agree with you . Russia ?? I mean ..really ??!

      • DodoTheLaser

        Let’s not stereotype too much.

        Russian people are not too different from Americans.
        American politicians are not too different from Russian ones.
        Borscht, tacos, vodka and good music can usually bring peace on Earth.

        • Kim O’Brien

          I’m not talking about all Russians ..but i don’t think turning to the Russian Orthodox Church and Putin , twins with truth and human rights 🙂

          • DodoTheLaser

            Understood. But this is global chess.
            Always nice to see you here, btw, Kim 🙂

            • Kim O’Brien

              you too 🙂

            • DodoTheLaser

              Thanks! Stop by more often, please.

        • Peter

          I visited Moscow for three and a half weeks in the summer of 74, I think. One of our group, a US citizen, had been born there, was smuggled out by her mother at age 6 mos, was fluent in six languages and was one of the most beautiful women I’ve ever known. She began teaching me Russian and took me around to many places during our time off periods from the presentation with which were affiliated. She even took me to a party in the outskirts of the city which went into the wee hours with an incredible amount of liquor imbibed. What I found about Russian citizens was that (1) they were enormously friendly and gracious, (2) were mostly quite intelligent and (3) were fascinated by the west, especially the US. They could not get enough of asking questions about our lives. Even the guard at the place where we did our presentation, whom we knew was KGB and had to report on us daily, remained warm and friendly and brought personal gifts for the lot of us when we left. Thus, I have nothing but good memories of the Russian people. (And I still think the Russian word for “ice cream” is one of the most melodious sounds I’ve ever heard! )

          • DodoTheLaser

            Wow! What a great story! Thank you for sharing it, Peter!
            This is probably how Russian “Marojeno” looked like in 70’s.

    • 1subgenius

      The enemy of my enemy is not necessarily my friend, but they are useful.

      • endoftheQ

        Ah, “the arse you cannot bite, kiss”, huh?! 😉

      • But consider that the drug educators who accepted help from Scientology / Narconon / Foundation for a Drug-Free World / Drug Free Marshals might have thought that way too.

        “Hmm, Scientology? Ooh look! Free anti-drug stuff!”

        It’s important to keep an eye on those kind of choices, and who’s being useful to whom.

        • 1subgenius

          My statement assumes informed choice.

          • I don’t think all drug educators who partner with Scientology fronts are ignorant, just perhaps that some are tightly focused, passionate, and don’t see the bigger picture.

      • Adam Warlock

        Hail Bob!

    • Adam Warlock

      I do agree with your sentiments and will extend it to all organized religion (They are all a stain on humanity.), but I’ll say sometimes you have to use the tools you are given. Like it or not this was an effective way to get this singular message out about scientology and it shouldn’t be ignored that this was the purpose that Mr. Atack was trying to achieve. With one presentation he spread the word about scientology to a very large audience. It wasn’t like he went to the conference to throw his support behind their despicable practices. Even though logically I know that many of those religious leaders where gleeful that they now have something to keep their own parishioners from straying to another “religion” and keep that money flowing to them and maintaining the power they have, I can’t fault Mr. Atack for what he did.

      • Espiando

        I’m not faulting Jon. I’m sure he did was he felt was right, in terms of gaining a very powerful ally in the fight against Scientology, and he apparently was very effective. I just don’t like being on the same side as the Orthodox Church at a time when they played a very active role in suppression of freedom for sexual minorities (with the anti-gay laws they supported) and freedom of speech (see Riot, Pussy).

        Here’s the difference: Scientology can spout their homophobia, and the biggest effect will be disconnection (as Derek can tell you). The Russian Orthodox Church can spout theirs, and the biggest effect will be a reset button for rights of sexual minorities back to the communist days due to their mammoth political influence.

        Homophobia is one of the big reasons Why I Protest. Getting an ally who’s more homophobic than the Scilons…I just have a very bad taste in my mouth.

        • You’re contradicting yourself. If you’re against homophobia, why do you insult people with gay innuendo?

          • Espiando

            Because fuck you.

            • LOL!

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              You know, if you give him a thoughtful, measured reply you get the same response. I think you’re a lot more efficient than I am.

        • Adam Warlock

          I agree with you. The fawning over the guy from Crete made my stomach turn. But, I also understand that life is complicated and sometimes you have to be realistic with your objectives. It is like saying that I should reject an alliance with some christian organization on the singular issue of separation of church and state. I disagree with the many heinous policies that christianity promotes but I have to acknowledge the power that christianity holds in America. My goal of a truly secular government is much harder to achieve until I can get the religious to see that a theology is a bad idea. I can’t do that if I let my personal feelings get in the way of the objective.

          • SP Wannabe

            Ahem. Theology is a “good idea” *for me*, by circular logic I don’t expect to apply to anyone else, and we’re on the same side. To put it this way – I no more want my church in my legislature than I want the reverse. As a minister, I have no business telling anyone what kind of contract they may or may not enter into. As a citizen, I have no business telling any church which sacraments they may confer to whom. We share a goal, think we can leave theology out of it and stand together on this issue?

            • Adam Warlock

              That is exactly my point. My views on religion can be separated on the goal to achieve separation of church and state. Because our ideologies don’t align doesn’t mean that we can’t agree on anything, or work together towards that goal.

              To make things a little more clear. As much as I think humanity would be better served if religion was wiped off the face of the Earth, I would never support any kind of strong arm tactics or government interference that would force anybody to think/believe something. I’d be on the front lines defending the religious to their right to believe what they want. You can’t force something like that. Education, reason and skepticism are far better ways to change a society.

    • Once_Born

      Yes. The fundamental problem is theocracy – the situation where a faith group exercises control over people who do not share their beliefs.

      The ‘word of God’ (which tends to be obscure) has to be ‘interpreted’ by the leaders of the group – and far to often it turns out that God shares the prejudices of the leaders, and supports anything that brings the Church influence (and money, of course).

      Religious institutions which enter politics rarely cover themselves with glory (witness the Reichskonkordat – a pact between Hitler and the Vatican http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichskonkordat ).

      In the case of the Russian Orthodox Church, they are allowing themselves to be used to bolster a repressive regime which not only has a thing about homosexuality, but isn’t too fond of human rights in general, free speech or real elections either. Oh… and there’s that little thing about waging an undeclared war against a neighbouring country and killing civilians wholesale.

      Ironically, it was Uncle Joe Stalin who said, “The enemy of my enemy is my friend”. This is both wrong, and positively creepy. “If you sup with the devil, bring a long spoon” is probably more to the point.

    • mzuridini

      The first Orthodox church was in Africa, before the Vatican. I have many Orthodox friends from Eritrea and Ethiopia, and they’re good people. They are deeply thoughtful. One of my friends interprets Orthodoxy as a kind of nihilism – a “soft-nihilism.”

      The Orthodox Church in Russia was nearly exterminated. And don’t tell me all religions are a stain on humanity, because they were an important part of our social evolution! (Not that I expect you to understand that.)

      You are a racist. And you should be ashamed.

      You act as if you have to right to judge and condemn.

      And don’t try to tell me that you hate the clergy, and not the people, because, obviously, you know nothing about any culture or any people – not in Russia, not anywhere.

      Now run away, you gay coward bastard.

      FUCK YOU

  • DodoTheLaser

    Fascinating re: your trip to Russia, Jon! Thanks for keeping sharing with us.

  • Exterrier

    Jon is a great hero, and has been amazingly brave, and even ferocious before almost anyone. He is owed a huge debt of thanks, already. But have now inoculated the entire Orthodox world Ronbola disease, means a whole nother set of laurels and oak leaf clusters should be issued. He certainly never ever rested on the first batch.

    Happy anniversary To The Bunker and it’s amazing and essential creator. I thought I knew all about Scientology, and was over it, two years ago. Bit, I didn’t, and was not. Now,thanks to the knowledge and talent that Tony has exposed us all to, and the talent and knowledge of the bunkerites, I am solidly “over it”, in the fullest and most informed way imaginable.
    But I have a new addiction: The Bunker.

    • Jon Atack

      Thanks! I am hoping to rest on my laurels very soon. If I can only find them. And Tony is unique. Without doubt the best journalistic contribution in the whole history of the clut.

  • DodoTheLaser

    Slightly off topic, but not really. Karen and Jeff made a new video.
    It has to do with that “article”, really paid AD in Atlantic Mag a year or two ago that made so many epic waves all over the Internet. But there is more. Watch and notice the “unclean hands” part.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJ53hyK3GB0

    • DodoTheLaser

      And don’t forget to read this funny gem, if you haven’t yet:

      “Dread Cthulhu Leads His Cult to Milestone Year”
      http://boingboing.net/2013/01/14/dread-cthulhu-leads-his-cult-t.html

      • Juicer77

        Nice 🙂 And the cached copy of the original Atlantic ad is linked at the bottom of the page. Well done!

        • April

          I’d never read that article-tisement before. Much thanks to Mr. Cthulhu! 😀

          • Boingboing only ran that that ad in return for a lower position on the “To be eaten when the stars are right” list.

        • DodoTheLaser

          Thanks to the Internetz and its fringes 😉

      • L. C. Spencer

        That one would have been worth it for the shoop alone.

    • ze moo

      The Atlantic advertorial has become an internet meme for poorly disguised propaganda and comment moderation. It is being taught at universities in their communications schools. The Atlantic management got such a good spanking from all media sources that allowing the customer to control the comments for their ‘advertorial’ will be very had to do, for any customer.

      • DodoTheLaser

        Yes. The flap was gigantic.
        Apparently, the President of Atlantic Magazine was gotten out
        of bed at 11pm to pull the shameful CULT advertising down.

      • J. Swift

        The Atlantic got spanked by the internet and issued a public apology in which it announced a policy change: http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2013/02/on-the-atlantics-scientology-ad-and-aftermath/273447/

        As usual, the Church of Scientology did not issue an apology for its glib attempt to shamelessly promote David Miscavige.

        As part of David Miscavige trying to sell himself in the wake of The Atlantic disaster. he ordered all Scientologists to watch his 1993 “The War Is Over” event in which he announced tax exemption. Angry Gay Pope posted this video.

        Although David Miscavige tries to make great hay of tax exemption, the facts are these:

        A) Gaining tax exemption was not the Apollo XI Moon landing. All sorts of ordinary groups have tax exemption.

        B) Tax exemption is not the US Government’s “seal of approval” for any religion as David Miscavige seems to think. Tax exemption simply means a group meets certain government criteria for exemption.

        C) What made the Church of Scientology’s tax exemption significant was that it did not merit tax exemption given its criminal history, criminal nature, or the fact that the Church is actually a transnational crime syndicate with ties to very shadowy groups.

        D) There is a long forgotten story from the period 1990-1993 about the Church and the IRS that I will soon post on the Scientology Money Project.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uumuuQm5eQ

        • Observer

          C) What made the Church of Scientology’s tax exemption significant was
          that it did not merit tax exemption given its criminal history, criminal
          nature, or the fact that the Church is actually a transnational crime
          syndicate with ties to very shadowy groups.

          Not to mention the blackmail tactics–last I heard, blackmail is a crime–Scientology employed to force the IRS into it.

        • mud

          You have to wonder if DM is running “Operation Fort Knox”.
          I can’t believe this pre-dates Ian Fleming’s Goldfinger of 1959, from Ability Minor 3 – 1955…(f5)

        • Todd Tomorrow

          So the Gay Pope snuck in? Or got a copy? Gotta envy his dedication. And his Lawyer Gram Berry as well.

    • Anonymous

      The language in the threat letter read by Jefferey in the above video shows (again) the insular, self-absorbed nature of the culture inside Scientology.

      That letter sounds ludicrous to people who are not part of that insular, self-absorbed culture. In many ways, it is another sad example of the decline of the church and it’s inevitable collapse. The lack of simple self-awareness is astounding.

    • stillgrace2

      Wouldn’t it be fabulous if one of Tony’s Tipsters forwarded the email (you just know it was ultimately from David Miscavige) instructing sciloons to comment and upvote the original Atlantic article? My comment never made it past moderation (quel surpris!)

      Reading down through the “sponsored comments” is a real hoot, and I have attached it here. The first comment had 78 upvotes … certainly a coordinated phenomenon.

      C’mon Tipsers! Please let us view your instructions for this media onslaught. Thank you. (F5)

      • DodoTheLaser

        Thanks for this post, Stillgrace! It sure is a hoot. Like they say in Scotland – it’s obvious.

    • J. Swift
    • Observer

      My favorite part: the J&Dful scorn with which he read the letter to Graydon Carter. Hahaha!

    • Stacy

      Thanks for posting this. I really enjoyed this particular video by Mr. Augustine. I then went and checked out CoS’s advertorial. It’s interesting to note the language CoS thinks is appropriate for a religion and a humanitarian organization. The advertorial used words like “driving” and “driven,” “unrelenting,” and “spearheaded.” This is the language they used in telling the world about their great community programs. Sounds like they’re talking about a competitive business, doesn’t it?

      In comparison, Catholic Charities uses words such as “help,” “helping,” “provide,” “dignity,” “sharing,” and “compassionate” while discussing their efforts to provide aid to needy families. Of course, they also mention god and Jesus a lot too. Weird how CoS never mentions anything comparable in their humanitarian messages. Hell, it’s funny they don’t even bother to mention the word “help.”

      Interesting how CoS can’t even master the correct language for religious and/ or charitable organizations, isn’t it? Their true intentions become readily apparent when you look at the language they use. I think the word used by CoS that offends me the most is “game.” What organization, charity or religion that’s truly trying to improve matters in the world refers to their efforts as a freaking GAME?! People are NOT a game. Their lives and happiness and spiritual well-being are not part of a game. Drug rehabilitation is NOT a game.

    • Kim O’Brien

      finally …the porn stash is gone

  • Sid

    So Jon Atack may have educated the Orthodox Church and their 220 million parishioners about the dangers of Scientology, but let’s not forget that one Buddhist Monk some Scientology guy gave a Way to Happiness Booklet to. And doesn’t Scientology also have that one guy Alfreddie Johnson who pretends to be a Baptist Minister? They are in there with their best game and determined to win.

    • Observer

      *snickersnort*

    • Techie

      Not to mention the Nation of Islam….

    • Adam Warlock

      Keep in mind that that “report” was from a scientology perspective. So of course they are going to blow it out of proportion. I wasn’t there. I didn’t see the exchange, but I’ll take an educated guess as to what really happened knowing what I know about scientology and knowing what I know about Buddhism. (I know quite a bit about Tibetan Buddhism, and a little less about the other Buddhist sects.)

      I figure what happened was the Monk, in question, treated this scientologist really no different than the way he treated most people. With kindness and attentiveness. He may have actually read the pamphlet but I’m pretty sure that it isn’t being used as a bookmark in his holy book. I’m pretty sure that this pamphlet ended up where the vast majority of Way to Happiness pamphlets end up, in the garbage/recycling.

      I’m fairly confident that any religious leader is not going to spread the word of another religion. The whole point of a religion is to sell their bill of goods on how life is to be lived, with their rules and their authority.

      • Todd Tomorrow

        Like corporations they have merged to make millions. Remember the mega church’s in the south with their corporate takeovers when one gets caught doing speed with a gay hustler. Or of course Falwell’s takeover of PTL. Jim Baker and Binny Hinn are back on the air.

  • Silence of the Clams

    Tony,
    How can I reach you outside this comments board? I have something to share….

  • Andrew Robertson

    It’s great to see Jon becoming an SP Platinum Meritorious in parts of the world where Scientology’s disgraceful history and potential for evil is far less widely known and feared.

    It’s easy to casually dismiss Hubbard’s creation as being a 1950’s flying saucer cult which is no longer relevant or threatening to many today, but it still has power and influence to destroy people’s lives and worm its way into the social fabric because of the clever way it was designed to mislead with false promises and play on basic insecurities and anxieties.

    The organization now is far less effective than it was in its heyday, but even one life destroyed is one life too many and with a large amount of money still available the malign potential of Ron’s creation should not be underestimated. Jon is doing a signal service by tirelessly working to inoculate against this parasitic disease.

    Andrew

    • Missionary Kid

      Amen. One is too many.

    • endoftheQ

      I’m sorry Andrew, but I find your labelling $cientology a “flying saucer cult” extremely insulting. There are many fine, genuine, upstanding flying saucer cults such as The Aetherius Society which pre-date L.AvaRotti’s feeble space opera, and who certainly shouldn’t suffer being tarred with the $cientology brush. von Daniken be damned. 😉

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        And don’t forget the Unarius Society:
        http://www.unarius.org/

        Their videos are far superior to anything LRH produced with the Cinema Org.

        • endoftheQ

          Exactly! L.AvaRotti wasn’t short of places in the 50’s and 60’s to nick space opera pseudoreligious ideas from, huh?! Oh, and I had a vague recollection he’d filtched the $cientology crapyrighted cross from The Aetherius Society, but it appears they’ve stopped using it themselves as I can’t find it on their website. 😉

          • April

            The double-cross as a symbol for the CO$ is just too…poetic…or ironic… I’m not sure which.

            • villagedianne

              There is conspiracy theory that the double cross is a satanic symbol of crossing out the cross.

            • L.Ron Hubbard

              Satanism is actually cool

            • Jon Atack

              It isn’t a conspiracy theory. It’s a crossed out cross or as John Duignan points out, we should have been wary of joining a mob that uses a double cross as its symbol.

            • Suppressive Tomato

              LRH stole it from Crowley, who stole it from Rosicrucianism. (Refresh for Rosicrucian cross).

            • endoftheQ

              Yup, knew it looked familiar. 😉
              (refresh, svp),

            • L.Ron Hubbard
        • Robert Eckert

          Don’t slight the Raelians either!

      • ze moo

        Erich Von Daniken sort of disappeared from the world stage in the 90’s. Now he and his cohorts are runing the ‘ancient alien’ crap on the so called History and Discovery networks. I consider them a galactic intelligence test, one that we have failed.

        • endoftheQ

          I saw that in the Wikipedia entry. Unreal. What is it with the media? Is there a quota for charlatans or something?! 😉

        • L.Ron Hubbard
        • Kim O’Brien

          “Ancient Astronaut Theorist ” LOL

        • Stacy

          I think there was a hair/ intelligence theory which was proved to be true using Von Daniken as the test subject. Something to the effect of: the more your hair looks like it was combed with dynamite, the lower your UFO intelligence is. Something like that. Totally scientific.

      • Once_Born

        Definitely! – contrast The Aetherius Society’s approach to ‘spiritual healing’ with Scientology practice. The web page where they discuss this http://www.aetherius.org/healing-yourself-and-others/ contains a prominent disclaimer:

        Spiritual healing is a complementary therapy, not an alternative therapy. This means that it is meant to be used in addition to appropriate conventional medical help, not instead of it. Spiritual healers should always advise their patients of this, and should of course never guarantee a cure.

        Their ‘healing’ is bizarre, and doesn’t work – but it does not try to deny believers proper medical attention.

        As for the Von Daniken thing – I have always thought that the people who fell for this were only guilty of a lack of imagination that prevented them appreciating the power of human ingenuity.

        For example, VD argued in one of his books that some of the the joints between the stone blocks which up the pyramids were so fine that you couldn’t get a knife blade in between. Since he did not understand how puny humans could have achieved this it must have been done advanced aliens (for inscrutable reasons – why do they never leave us anything useful?).

        The other alternative is, of course, that ancient Egyptian craftsmen were far more skilled, clever and imaginative that VD could ever hope to appreciate.

        • endoftheQ

          You can just imagine ol’L.AvaRotti singing soprano in the shower at seeing the popularity of all the space cults during that time and just gagging to join the bandwagon with Diva Xenu, huh?!

          • Once_Born

            I think these ideas were (unlike the flying saucers) probably ‘in the air’ at the time.

            However, pre-Internet, Ron (friend of mankind) was almost certainly unaware of the doings of ‘Dr’ George King.

            Also, “Chariots of the Gods?” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chariots_of_the_Gods%3F was first published in 1968 – so Ron was probably gargling his shower water with fury because Von Daniken had ‘stolen his ideas’. After all, Ron had already stolen them from pulp fiction, fair and square, years before.

            • endoftheQ

              Exactly, Marion Zimmer Bradley who was a fellow pulp writer and knew L.AvaRotti back in the days when he was a small time crook, said he’d steal the words right out of your mouth. It’s likely he did know about Aetherius, it was huge at the time, all over the news and with “branches” throughout the UK. They still have a shop on the Fulham Road in London, which has been there since the 1950’s. 😉

            • endoftheQ

              It’s now their European headquarters. 😉
              (refresh, svp)

            • richelieu jr

              You are, of course, referrring to the famous L.AvaRotti who wrote ‘The Mists of Avalon’, right?

        • Stacy

          Lol, VD. Such an appropriate acronym. Erm, I feel like I just quoted from Beevis and Butthead somehow.

          • Todd Tomorrow

            Is this my favorite Stacy who worked at the trust? Lover of cats? Knack for giving great interviews !

            • Stacy

              Well, I’m a lover of cats, but I don’t do interviews. Sorry, you have the wrong Stacy

            • Todd Tomorrow

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0FnQbrvhII Stacy had her own serious problems with the clams calling animal control and telling them she was a,”Crazy Cat Lady.” But that was the least of the torture to her and her husband. Here Stacy interviews Astra my two favorite, Sps.

            • Stacy

              Because I feed any feral cats who come my way, I’m pretty sure I’m known as the crazy cat lady of my neighborhood. Fortunately there are a lot of crazy cat people in my area of Florida who work hard to save the feral cat population from death.

              Thanks for the vid link. Always happy to meet/ learn about a namesake.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              That is a great thing to do and I know having done similar things how much they greatly show you how much they appreciate it. I’ve always felt you can tell a great deal about the quality of a person by the way they treat animals. They give so much back to us.

            • Stacy

              Yes they do! Interactions with animals are always rewarding.

          • Once_Born

            Initially I just didn’t want to type “Von Daniken” again… then realised and thought…leave it in, and see if anyone notices…

      • Jon Atack

        Surely Velikovsky deserves a mention?

    • L.Ron Hubbard
    • Anonymous

      Attempting to gain inroads into countries where english is not a dominant language is one of the tactics the church is employing to stem its decline in popularity due to it’s horrendous reputation in western world.

      Much (not all) of the most authoritative history and criticism of Scientology is written in English, especially on the internet. This makes the malevolent nature / history of Scientology less easy to discover for non-English speaking populations. There is some excellent crticism in French and German, a little bit in Spanish but not a great deal of first-person history / observations in other languages.

      To the degree that Miscavige even cares if the church grows (I don’t think he does) he will continue to direct efforts at recruiting staff and public from places where it takes more than a few minutes on Google to realize that Scientology is something to be avoided.

      • Stacy

        Anonymous, I would really like to hear your opinion on why you think DM doesn’t care about growing CoS membership.

        • Anonymous

          It is largely based on the actions that he has reportedly taken, which cumulatively have had the effect of directly causing the shrinkage of the global organization. It is almost impossible to be that incompetent by accident.

          The reputation of Scientology has grown so vile on his watch that it has become possibly the world’s leading example of a “broken brand.” Among the attributes of a broken brand is the phenomenon that additional advertising and promotion actually make the brand’s situation WORSE, because by calling any outside attention at all to the brand, results in more previously disinterested people becoming aware of the truly terrible nature of the offering.

          What appears to be true is that Miscavige is performing like many folks who are involved in gross financial chicanery…he has no easy way to escape responsibility for the fraud that he has been committing for several decades, so instead he seeks to keep the fraud going for as long as possible, with no real end-game in mind. This was true for Bernie Madoff and it was also true for the top leadership at Enron. I’ve seen it several other times in matter of corporate fraud where I was charged with documenting the trail of the bad actors and assembling the evidence for action.

          Miscavige IS interested in keeping the money flowing “uplines” because he personally benefits from that flow. He has a billionaire personal lifestyle and that can only be made possible via inserting himself into the stream of cash coming up from direct donations to the various front-groups, Ideal Orgs building funds, the IAS, et al. Without Scientology’s money for lawyers to keep Miscavige personally out of civil and criminal court, he would be utterly defenseless and brought to justice in a matter of a few weeks.

          It is ironic beyond belief that it is largely the negligence, intentional actions, violence and directed strategies of Scientology Sea Org Captain David Miscavige that have brought the hounds of hell from the plaintiffs bar and the media to Scientology’s doorstep. These in turn are the very “threats” he keeps pointing to as he demands greater and greater sums of IAS direct cash donations for “defense.”

          Based on the outcomes of similar situations, when Miscavige finally flees or is arrested, and thus no longer able to control the evidence of his fraud, what will be uncovered in his absence will be absolutely shocking…even to those used to being shocked by Scientology.

          We can speculate on what has been happening and there are eye-witness accounts of grotesque excess spending by Miscavige from many former senior executives, but until he is gone and all the records (such as may exist) can be gone through without his influence, we will not know with certainty the true scale of the corruption.

          Based on experience, I suspect it will be breathtaking.

          • Stacy

            Wow. Thanks for your expert opinion. How do you see Miscavige exiting the situation? Fleeing to another country and going to ground? Somehow I can’t see DM committing suicide like Madoff’s son did. One more question: do you see the end coming fairly soon?

            • Anonymous

              I do not have any answers for the above that would be any better than speculation.

              But it will not end well and it will end sooner rather than later.

              All the necessarey ingredients for a denoument are present…what will cause the final tipping point is beyond my ken…but I’m certainly interested in observing the outcome.

            • Stacy

              I do realize your opinion on the end is just speculation, but I have a lot of respect for your opinion- for a number of reasons. So I was curious if you had speculated about what DM might do when he can no longer avoid deposition and responsibility. I’m glad you see all the ingredients for a denouement are present; I don’t think the tipping point will be long delayed then.

              Thanks for your insights.

            • Anonymous

              These sorts of things almost always reach an end via the disillusionment of a former insider who goes to the authorities with fresh evidence that is still within statutory limits for action.

              One of the reasons so many former executives are in the hole (or it’s milder equivalent today) is to keep an eye on them so they cannot turn and run to law enforcement. Others who have already escaped are locked down via confidentiality agreements, blackmail threats and other extortionate conduct. Some are still true believers and think they are just waiting Miscavige out before the church is “reformed.”

              What would be amusing is to finally hear from Pat Broeker. That is a man with some stories to tell.

            • DodoTheLaser

              Man, I always appreciate your posts, but especially so today.
              Such a concise analysis. Thanks again. You sir are slaying it.

            • Mark Foster

              …or, as I would say, he´s ¨ delivering the dope sauce!¨ 🙂

            • Stacy

              Has Pat been shunted to the side, forgotten and alone, like his poor ex-wife was before she died? Or is he fairly active in CoS still? If he did escape and speak out, THAT would be a story.

            • Anonymous

              That is a very, very deep rabbit hole. Put Pat’s name into Google and prepare for hundreds of links to all sorts of stuff.

              IMHO the best info is that written by Robert Vaughn Young, Jessie Prince, Marty Rathbun and Tony Ortega. Reading their stuff alone will take hours / days, but is worth it to get a sense of the sort of human drama that has existed in Scientology since it’s founding.

              Briefly, Pat Broeker and his then wife Annie Broeker, were the personal caretakers during the last years of Hubbard’s life while he was on the lam from civil process servers and the investigators from several government agencies. Annie recently passed away while still in the Sea Org and Pat left the Sea Org and was disappeared shortly after Hubbard’s death. According to sworn affidavits, Pat was followed by (at least) two PI’s hired by Scientology for approximately three decades at a cost of ~ $11 million. Pat and Annie were (allegedly) Hubbard’s named successors and both were pushed out of power by Miscavige and his minions. You can find millions of words written about the above by various witnesses…have fun.

            • Stacy

              Ooh, that’s right, I forgot about that wonderful Tony article about the 2 PIs spending years monitoring Pat. The problem with digesting whole chunks of CoS info in a relatively short period of time is that inevitably some of it doesn’t stick. I’m going to end up re-reading a lot of what I’ve already read because of this. I am currently diving into more CoS info from Mike Rinder. I have a couple of problems reading Marty’s stuff, so I stay away from it.

              Poor Pat B. And Annie. Hopefully in retrospect they’re happy that they didn’t end up in charge of CoS.

          • DodoTheLaser

            Excellent post. Thanks, Anonymous.

          • Gus_Cox

            Fascinating. I am so pleased I am young enough that I will live to see that day. Even if I weren’t, just thinking about it would keep me alive well beyond 100, I’m sure 😀

          • Lady Squash

            I agree that Miscavige doesn’t care about Scientology expanding. He’s a narcissist, why would he care? Hubbard in my opinion, also didn’t care. Why else would he not have groomed a successor; or made his explicit wishes known for how the organization should be run after he left? The only answer I can come up with is that he got what he want–wealth, power and influence–what did he care what happened once he died.

            • Anonymous

              I tend to agree.

              There was no designed end game for Hubbard either…as is true with most large scale financial scammers. They just try to keep going as long as events allow them to do so. It makes no sense to outsiders, especially those that have been defrauded.

              Hubbard spoke and wrote about his future life plans, but there is no reason to believe that stuff was anything other than misdirection to keep the earthly scam going as long as possible.

              It also appears that he was quite insane near the end and probably slipped in and out of sanity for a number of years beforehand.

            • DodoTheLaser

              “It also appears that he was quite insane near the end and probably
              slipped in and out of sanity for a number of years beforehand.”

              This. He even kind of admitted it, with his typical smirk, in that old BBC interview.

    • Jon Atack

      thanks!

  • Sid

    Brilliant talk by Jon Atack at the London Press Conference on Undue Influence.

  • RBE

    A write-up of the workshop that accompanied the press conference that Jon Atack attended can be found here http://aawa.co/blog/london-workshop-un-doing-undue-influence-steve-hassan/

    • DodoTheLaser

      Thanks, RBE!

    • Sergeant Pepper

      What dodo said! Good scholarly stuff!

  • The Russian raid in St Petersburg made it to Interfax. Not much detail, but presumably reliable.
    http://www.interfax-religion.com/?act=news&div=11535

    Investigators claim that the chief executive handed over to the church about 9 million rubles that were allegedly investments from customers.

    But is he no longer angry like Rex Fowler?

  • Techie

    It is great news that Jon is getting the truth out. The Vatican next, and after that I am sure there are a few other organizations that may be interested. A subject where atheists and the Pope can agree has got to be a special one.

    Up until recently, if you were looking for hard facts on Scientology in the Christian book store the best you would find would be a short mention in “The Kingdom of the Cults”.by Walter Martin. Unfortunately he gets it very wrong, trying to find some sort of creation story in “the Story of a Thetan”.

    Scientology’s saucer religion beliefs and “past lives” are not what is dangerous or wrong about it. Let them believe what they want, it is a free country. The danger is the fundamentalist and extremist element. Jon is very good at explaining that, and I hope the message gets through on as many avenues as possible.

    • mpl

      The danger is also horrible human rights abuses under the guise of religious freedumb.

      • Juicer77

        Yes, and Christian churches (including Catholic ones) are guilty of this too. We all need to stop it when we see it happen, or when we see signs of a cover-up.

      • endoftheQ

        I worship The Fruit God, who giveth us iDevices. 😉

        • Once_Born

          Blasphemer! – the Holy Android (son of the blessed Linus) is the only true god who speaketh to us through electric monoliths! I will pray that you see the light, and embrace the one true OS.

          • endoftheQ

            Hush. You. You. You. ABOMINATION Google Lover. Go, repent, find solace in the walled garden, and seek ye not worms but the one true Apple. Remember, if you’re not paying-and-paying-and-paying, you are the product. 😉

    • DodoTheLaser

      Gerry Armstrong did a great job in Russia too.

      • Eileen

        I didn’t realize that Indie Scientologists use the SP declare and fair gaming.

        • DodoTheLaser

          Most of them don’t, as far as I know. Besides, Indie is generally an Ex in progress.

  • Great news about the new translations of Blue Sky, Jon — and dead jealous about your visit to the Hermitage.

    it’s high time Miviludes invited you over to Paris: we have a few paintings stashed away here too.

    • DodoTheLaser

      🙂 Jonny, stop by here in the comments section more often please. Nice new avy!

    • Robert Eckert

      I know Miviludes is on our side, but I can’t help it: the name reminds me of “Minitrue”

      • I agree, it does sound a bit like something out of a Bond movie: “Do you expect me to talk, Goldfinger?” “No Mr Bond, I expect you to die!”

  • Ms. B. Haven

    “…let me assign a condition of Sharkbait to the Russian OSA. Apart from a phone call posing as a TV company interested in interviewing me, OSA Russia were inactive. So, into the pond with the lot of you!”

    If this is all that OSA can muster to go up against a world class SP they truly are in the lowest of conditions. Sharkbait sounds about right. Now you OSA internet monitors quit drooling over that 2nd anniversary Bunker caek that you didn’t get yesterday and hit the decks! Happy belated 2nd anniversary wishes to our Proprietor and all Bunkerettes and Bunkeroos.

  • Baby

    ” So the truth about Scientology will be spread far and wide in the next few weeks.”
    …………………..

    Jon.. Absolutely amazing experience for you AND for them. You detailed your trip beautifully. I would have loved to have been there..front row center. Can’t wait for it to come out on youtube.

    Thank you for continuing your message about this Evil Cult of Greed!

  • 1subgenius

    Wonderful Jon, just wonderful.
    Very heartening to know that there are over 220 million warriors in the struggle against the world’s most sinister scam.

  • Panopea Abrupta
    • April

      That second video is fucking terrifying. It will haunt my dreams for weeks. Damn you! 😉

  • Kim O’Brien

    The Russian Orthodox Church ? Really ?!? Russian Orthodox and Roman Catholic differences are not because of ” scandal ” . This article is bugging me …going to other abusive religions and telling them how abusive scientology is ..only makes the Bishops nod and say …aaahhh yes , theses crazy cults …our religion is the true one.

    And Russia …yes Russia and the Orthodox Church will help…”so the truth about Scientology will be spread far and wide in the next few weeks”

    “In the refectory, after part two of my talk, the Archbishop of Crete signals for me to join him. I noticed him the moment he arrived, because he exudes serenity. ” ( facepalm…i bet LRH did too )

    I think Jon jumped the shark . Turning to the Russian Orthodox Church …took him all of one day and one meeting with a ” serene ” dude from Greece , to think that Russian Orthodoxy is just great and gee …those Russians will help us with the whole human rights thing .

    UGH

    • Juicer77

      Christianity can be a hot button issue, but I didn’t see where Mr. Atack was expressing any approval for their beliefs or practices, only appreciation for the listening audience and wide dissemination of his knowledge about Scientology. Even though I don’t always agree with other posters here at the Bunker, I can still appreciate their respectively kind, grumpy, helpful, outraged demeanors in this learning process.

      • Kim O’Brien

        so can i . Don’t let it bug you

    • i-Betty

      I think Jon is just showing courtesy and gratitude to his hosts?

      Or…there’s a woman who lives in the next street and I always thought she was a good ten years younger than me. Turns out she’s a decade older, but she’s very (what she describes as) spiritual, but with trees and essential oils and all that shite 🙂 I’m an atheist but I genuinely feel this chilled out serenity from her which has nothing to do with religion. Perhaps the guy Jon met was like that.

    • BosonStark

      So if you had to choose between Jon informing the Russian/Greek orthodox what’s up about Scientology, or some people from Scientology talking to them on human rights and religious persecution, which would you choose?

      At least this gives them a little detailed information on how Scientology works and what it is, rather than Scientology’s PR version of what they would like you to believe it is. This will inoculate them from forming some kind of alliance with Scientology, and Scientology is known for trying to forge such relationships in a kind of ecumenical solidarity to fend of “religious persecution.”

      Scientology may not even have been on the cult list of the Russian orthodox because they’d never heard of it or didn’t even know what it was.

      • Kim O’Brien

        these are my only two choices ? Really ?

  • TickTockDM

    Looking forward to reading the paper Jon Atack delivered at the Saint Petersburg conference.

  • vistaril_LOL

    Excellent, more JA!
    Hope he can write more about the “golden” era or the cult in the UK.

  • flyonthewall

    Today’s article is very encouraging. Coincidentally, I have often wondered if the rest of the world is as aware of the evil of the cult as the US and W Europe is. Thank you Jon for taking the message to the East and spreading awareness.
    Tony, the Bunker has indeed become an integral part of my morning routine since I started reading here about a year ago or so. Thanks for all your hard work

  • Sid

    $8 Billion Dollars?

    Did I hear Jon correctly on the talk at the London Press Conference on Undue Influence?

    • EnthralledObserver

      I heard that too and it left me wondering if that figure is a ‘best guess’ or if it came from more substantial evidence.

  • 0tessa

    Good work, Jon! Spread the word …

  • Sejanus

    I think the good news from Jon is that A Piece of Blue Sky is being translated to Greek and Russian making it accessible to even more people.
    No matter who gets this information, it has to be a good thing.

    It can be all too easy to condemn or stereotype a group that all their members are bad or evil.
    That is too simplistic and overlooks the power of the individual who may rise up and try to affect positive change from within. Many wonderful folks in here were (or are) Scientologists, which doesn’t make them evil.
    Let us not try to turn the Bunker into Hate Central.

    Ultimately we all have our own reasons for wanting to see Scientology changed or dismantled and evil doers brought to justice.
    The way that happens is by having more and more people looking through the lens and seeing it as it is.
    Jon has done well and I applaud his tireless efforts to make this happen.

    • i-Betty

      Agreed.

    • vistaril_LOL

      Good point. I’m tempted to say “love the sinner, hate the sin.” B ut obviously depends on the sin!

    • Agreed. Getting important critical books translated is very significant.

  • DodoTheLaser

    Hey, guys! This whole Russian topic stirred some memories and made me dig through some old photos.
    Here’s yours Dodo (far left) with Russian OSA Execs in Moscow, mid 90’s. Sorry for the low picture quality.
    Alexander Dvorkin, Gerry Armstrong and some other critics might recognize the guy on the far right.

    • i-Betty

      Love! What is the lapel pin you were wearing, D?

      • DodoTheLaser

        “Friends of Ron” (PR club) pin.

        • i-Betty

          Draw a little pair of spectacles on it and lo and behold: you have “Friends of Penfold” the bespectacled hamster sidekick of Danger Mouse! 🙂

          • Penfield would kick COB’s arse!!!!!!

            • i-Betty

              I’ve just found a Penfold quote where he actually calls Danger Mouse ‘DM’, which made me chuckle into my apple crumble and icecream:

              “Danger Mouse: All Fall Down (#7.5)” (1986)

              Penfold: Have you got something clever up your sleeve, D.M.?
              Dangermouse: Only my arm, Penfold, and that’s no cleverer than the rest of me.

            • Penfold!! Do’h!!!! Must read before posting. Get my new book “The way to Penfold”! The quotes of Penfold.

    • DodoTheLaser

      Bonus picture from ~ 2007. This time from Clearwater, FL. One of these fine ladies is my wife.

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        Please tell me it’s not he one in the middle…!

        • DodoTheLaser

          The one with he nice tie? Nah. Good guess though 🙂

        • Just Dee

          That was my first thought!

        • Observer

          Snort!

        • endoftheQ

          Ah, body thetans are furry, who knew?! 😉

        • Gus_Cox

          You sick puppy! 🙂

      • i-Betty

        Thank you, Dodo 🙂 I love what Clara said about knowing you’ve shrugged off the cult when you’re able to blithely post photos from that time.

      • L.Ron Hubbard

        Spot the gay man

      • Todd Tomorrow

        Funny he has 1/2 his hair off at weddings just like the last time he was spotted at Costco.

    • aquaclara

      You know how far you’ve come when you can post Scientology throwback pics here, in front of your family and friends!
      Love the snaps…

    • BosonStark

      If you ever write your story some day, Dodo, on ESMB or maybe send it to Tony, I’m sure there are many people who would be interested in reading it. In reading the stories of foreign people who get involved in Scientology, I am fascinated by their perceptions of American culture, their desire/willingness to learn English (I understand the materials are often printed in many other languages and auditing given in other languages too) or belong to an international organization, and how they come to gain such respect for such an eccentric American science fiction writer and character like Hubbard. But sometimes people don’t even mention any of these things.

      How much is the celebrity influence at work? Is there a melting pot factor — do people sometimes get involved in Scientology because they see it as a gateway to moving the U.S., or at least some kind of adventure involving travel to other countries?

      In other words, while I see why people talk about what courses they did, where they were, and the levels they completed, that stuff really doesn’t matter as much as what they were thinking and feeling at the time, including the critical times of when they were drawn in, and when they started waking up. Of course, the events surrounding those things are important too.

      I think Tory has been quite good in her many videos at expressing what she found attractive about Scientology and what hopes she had from it. A lot of former members who joined as adults kind of edit a lot of that out, because they are too embarrassed about how enthusiastic they really were.

      I was just looking at some photos inside the not very crowded but large new Moscow org, taken a few years ago, thinking some of those people must be leaving by now. We would really like to hear the stories of more Russians, even if they want to keep their identity anonymous.

      Even if you don’t want to write your whole story, tell us a little story of one of your experiences once in a while if you can? We’re so in the dark about the Russians and what they see in Scientology. Is it religious? Is it the science or what?

      • DodoTheLaser

        Thank you for this post, Boson Stark.
        I am processing it. I have an idea or two regarding answering these questions.

        Later, my friend.

        • Todd Tomorrow

          I’d by your book.

  • i-Betty

    I’m really looking forward to watching Jon at the London Press Conference, and it’s fantastic to see how in demand he still is as a World Class Super-Elite Luxury (thanks Nolly) SP.

    There is some epic beard action going on in that brilliant photo. John Trav would feel right at home.

    We hope to continue to earn your attention.

    And affection. This place rocks from the top down. I even love Ethics Officer today. Mega outpouring of happy vibes coming from the Bunker yesterday 🙂

    • vistaril_LOL

      Kryptonite level SP ( with knobs on).Think I’ll reread his fab book as a tribute:)

  • Ardent

    I’d love to see Jon’s presentation. Is it up on YouTube? I know – I may have missed something obvious in the article. I was very impressed that Jon was speaking to such luminary and influential people. Well done!

    • i-Betty

      I think Jon said that he hopes to have his talk available on Kindle in the near future, but as for a video of the event I’m not sure.

  • Couch_Incident

    Good work, Jon!

    Jon alluded to this, but in a number of countries, the Orthodox church is tied into the political system (for better or worse), so the practical impact of his talk to these religious leaders will be far greater than one in the West would normally assume.

    • ze moo

      Putin’s Russia has been very friendly and supportive of the Russian Orthodox Church. I happen to like some of the Orthodox traditions, though I shy away from all the icons and monasteries and such. The Russian Orthodox church has always been a tool of the state. Read the story of Boris and Gleb, two ‘saints’ who allowed their murders by a tyrant, just to keep the state safer. Not safe, but safer.

      http://www.roca.org/OA/76-77/76s.htm

      When giving up your lives for the safety of the state to a criminal tyrant is considered ‘blessed’ , what else will it encourage?

  • BosonStark

    I listened to the whole London press conference video and all the speakers were interesting, and were given just the right amount of time to talk. It shows how relevant these issues concerning mind control are, whether in terrorist groups like ISIS, or in advertising for Coca Cola and tobacco.

    I think one of the reasons critical thinking is not taught in the K through 12 school is that there is a focus on obedience and conformity, perhaps because they feel that too much creativity and teaching of critical thinking will lead to anarchy, and a questioning of too many aspects of the public school system itself.

    Likewise, there is a vested interest in a country that is run by large corporations, that people who enter the workforce participate in working for or accepting companies like Coke or Philip Morris, without questioning what they are doing. For successful military recruitment, it is necessary to instill patriotism to get enough soldiers who will believe in “my country, right or wrong.”

    Whether you want to look up how Scientology works, or how Coke works and what it does to your body, or issues going on in politics, what is happening in a war, the Internet is causing the revolution there, not the school system.

    College is different though, but it probably depends on what you are studying. Students in history courses really do get into these issues of nationalism, patriotism, cults of personality and the role they play as countries establish policies and go to war. Students taking sociology and psychology will get into behavior more than students in math.

    The U.S. is facing a huge rise in obesity in the last 20 years, which is directly tied to an explosion in flavorful processed foods (which are loaded with sodium and sugar), convenience food in families where two people work, and especially the fast food industry. Yet, there are political people who will stand up and claim drinking Big Gulps and Coke can be part of a healthy diet for an elementary school student, and have nothing to do with this crisis. They will say it is up to parents to control what their children eat, but fast food is fine in the school cafeteria. I bring this up, because it probably creates a greater threat to society than even terrorism, let alone Scientology.

    Why can’t the government gain control over more of this problem? Because the food industry makes too much money on it.

    • aquaclara

      There is much to what you say here, Boson. However, I just wanted to point out that schools do teach critical thinking – it’s part of many classes across many grades. But it’s countered by other forces – peer influence, just to name one.

      If you learned something in school that’s bad, but your friends are doing it, well, there you go. Judgment and rationale thought are formed by many things, including experience.

      There is so much more that we want for our kids, and well, there’s room for more at home and in school. As a parent, I seem to remember that when I said, “What were you thinking?” I wasn’t really expecting an answer. So much for my helping to cultivate those critical thinking skills at that moment.

  • Innoculated

    Stark, you make some good points. This mind control theme is very broad and though this site is geared toward a specific cult’s undue influence, the exercise of our own critical thinking brings us to these broader topics. I’ll up your fake food and smokes industries and add the big agricultural and pharmaceutical industries, the World Trade Organization, and, oh hell, Intellectual Property Rights, John Locke and the shrinking of the “commons”.

  • Panopea Abrupta

    Wall Street Journal 29 Sept. 2014
    3rd Quarter Cult Report
    our special correspondent Dee Luded

    $cilunacy Inc. soon to delisted:
    the making of a penny-stock

    NYSE symbol CO$

    2014 has been a millstone year so far for $cilunacy with the cult expanding to more than 10,000 lawsuits, defections and associated flaps, including hostile newspaper articles, t.v. news
    reports, YouTube videos, blogs, podcasts, protests and books spanning 167 nations–figures that represent a growth rate 20 times that of a decade ago.

    The driving force behind this unparalleled era of enturbulation, falling numbers and deepening
    legal morass is high-school dropout dwarf Definitely Mendacious, ecclesiastical leader of the cult. Der Punchin’ Munchkin as he is fondly known to all three of his fans, two of which are dogs, is unrelenting
    in his work for eleventy billion parishioners in the world’s fastest shrinking cult and all the cities swerved by the cult (ClearScotch, Fla. and Los Diablos, Ca.)

    His leadership style, honed over decades of fists-on management, can be characterized as brash, myopic and
    unfailingly self-swerving. Recent boosts have come from Lobbs of London.

    He has led this renaissance for the cult itself, while driving worldwide programs to swerve
    communities through a world-class fraudulent chain of addiction centers,
    NarCONon and an exceptional landfill-creation program called The Way to Slappiness.

    The out-sourcing of body-thetan production to Taiwan and Russia seems not to have
    produced predicted results and the world-wide moratorium on whaling is
    definitely providing barriers to growth. The market has, however, already corrected for these. If realty prices in Bolivia continue to hold, a move of global headquarters to one of the more affluent and exclusive neighborhoods of La Paz, La Florida or Achumani, is a possibility. Excellent Telex connectivity
    and mimeograph tech is available there as well as world-class
    foot-bullet facilities. The rarified air at such high altitudes leading
    to passing states of euphoria and delusion and the greater proximity to
    the moon are thought to be factors in this potential move.

    Share-prices have been straight down and vertigo for over two decades now.
    Sell, sell, sell. There are better cult-stocks out there.

    • flyonthewall

      The sandwich heavy portfolio pays off for the hungry investor once again

      • Todd Tomorrow

        Sadly the for profit prisons have done well. Where they treat inmates like dirt. The crime rate has dropped but we still are locking people up at a staggering rate.

    • Cosmo Pidgeon

      Brilliant.

  • “…a conference for priests and bishops from the Orthodox Church and various other interested individuals and organizations…”

    Or in other words, a bunch of entrenched freakish cults getting informed about a cult-like criminal enterprise. In effect, warring cultists ganging up on what they think is an upstart cult.

    One of the problems I see when cults gang up on what they think of as another cult is that it begs the question, it inappropriately legitimizes the targeted cult and begs the question about where one draws the line.

    Scientology is first and foremost organized crime, a deliberate swindle, an outright fraud. The pretensions that all of its 15,000 customers world wide some how is some kind of religion is an absurdity, and a bunch of freakish cultists in robes and men-dressed dresses contemplating it as a cult lends a degree of legitimacy which the crimnial enterprise does not deserve.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      I am running late, but I do want to throw out a quick caution about the equivalency argument. We’ve been dancing around it all morning, and pretty much avoiding it. Good.

    • kemist

      Normally I’d sit and enjoy the kookfight, but yes, I’m a bit uncomfortable about fighting a cult’s ideology (Xenu flavored nuts) with another cult’s ideology (Jesus flavored nuts).

      That’s why appealing to fundies for the forced abortion cases is not really a good idea – even if in this case, the reason behind the pro-life movement, ie, to punish women for having sex, precludes them from having the slightest interest in what scientology does. It legitimates people who want to take away bodily autonomy from women, and go back to that joyous time when young women died in back alley abortions. Those people don’t magically become my friends because there are other assholes in the room.

      The problem with cults is that when they finally push over the upstart, they will turn on us – the “nones” who are fed up with their undue influence.

      They always do. They need an enemy and we’re the one they can always count on.

    • aegerprimo

      Good point but exhausting to argue about.

  • noseinabk

    OT. I was checking out a rehab center for COS affiliations and found this place. Conveniently located in the same building as a medical marijuana evaluation place.
    (refresh)

  • Free Minds, Free Hearts

    Wonderful about Jon Atack’s dissemination – his stats are definitely straight up and vertical! And I loved the undue influence conference. Steven Hassan always has good insights.

  • Anonymous

    Today’s post by Jon Atack is a description of a remarkable event where he reached a large group of religious opinion leaders, who will then reach an even larger group of their own followers, with an important message.

    Scientology representatives still try to do these sorts of talks (obviously with a different message) but the audiences are not nearly as large nor receptive. The well deserved and vile reputation of Scientology precedes it virtually everywhere.

    The person who used to do these types of talks best (IMHO) was Heber Jentzsch, who had a significant program of outreach to other religions in the late 70’s and early 80’s that seemed to make some headway. Knowing what is now known about Scientology it is hard for me to integrate what I saw and felt back then with today’s current understanding of the church and it’s true history / goals.

    One of the best learning experiences I’ve had in exploring the true history of Scientology is learning how malevolent organizations in general operate and the depth of deceit that is possible between human beings…even those that on the surface appear to be aligned in purpose.

    Scientology is a metaphor for the sophisticated, modern use of PR / propaganda / misdirection / and the ability of a malevolent few to harness the goodwill of the many under false pretense. It is a lesson to hold onto and use as a lens with which to view and operate in the large world where the stakes are potentially even higher.

    • joan nieman

      Well said Anonymous.

      • Anonymous

        Thanks.

        I try to avoid seeing conspiracies where there are none, but still fall prey to my own false understanding at times.

        However the parallels between how Scientology operates and how the malevolent components of certain governments operate are striking.

        Viewing Scientology through the lens of the daily activities of the “intelligence community” (I love that ridiculous phrase) makes for a truly illuminating / frightening comparison.

        • Cosmo Pidgeon

          I used to joke that the Church was a front for the GO.

          • Peter

            Probably not too far off the mark. Now it serves the same purpose for the OAS!

        • aegerprimo

          YES. I see it that way as well.

    • Once_Born

      Unfortunately, whenever an individual or small group gains power over others, but lack responsibility they eventually abuse and repress those whom they rule over. “Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Dalberg-Acton,_1st_Baron_Acton

      Scientology is a special (and thankfully limited) case of this phenomenon.

      It has always struck me that the best feature of democracy is that it insures that one group of people do not stay in power long enough to lose all perspective and start to believe their own PR. The new government may not be much of an improvement on the previous one, but the process insures that no party will enjoy power long enough to fossilise.

      I heartily agree a knowledge of Scientology (or any repressive organisation) helps you recognise the same process that sustain the CofS in the world at large – in situations that range from everyday encounters all the way up to the operation of national governments and trans-national corporations. What makes Scientology such a fascinating case study is the way in which it takes everything to extremes.

      • Todd Tomorrow

        The do less damage than just two Koch brothers. This must really chap little dm’s butt. He even has 1/24 of the front groups. And nowhere close to the political clout. Thank god,we’d all be staring broke zombies.

  • flyonthewall

    Ya’ll see the news on Rinder’s blog about ASHO Fdn closin..er, “merging” with the day org? An SO org has closed! This is a good day to be an SP

    http://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-newspeak/

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      Yee I saw that – as a never-in I have no real idea of the significance but based on the comments on his blog this is a pretty big deal.

      • flyonthewall

        Same here

      • ze moo

        It means the lay off of 1/2 of the staff. What? No customers??

        • 3feetback-of-COS

          It may also mean that they didn’t have enough slaves to man two orgs, so they had to merge.

          • Ruby

            Yes, this is exactly what it means. Both staff and public have contracted to such a low level, they no longer have the ability or need to operate 2 separate orgs. It is a HUGE contraction, which of course they will spin somehow to sound the other way.
            PS…I missed the party yesterday. Congratulations, Tony, on 2 great years. I became a reader during VV days and have been here regularly ever since. While I don’t always comment, I am always reading and I so appreciate your up to the minute news and writing. I also appreciate the friends I have made here. Thank you.

            • Peter

              The major purpose for ASHO was to deliver the Briefing Course. That no longer exists. Nor does much need for auditor training in general. So downsizing ASHO is actually logical, though very much evidence of contraction.

        • noseinabk

          Well since they no longer need to share space between Day and FND people, that means everyone can stay longer.

      • noseinabk

        Someone asked for clarification.No actual building or org is closing. The same people who split building usage between ASHO day and ASHO foundation ( aka, night shift) are now merging and calling themselves ASHO.

        “Does the foundation provide services at night and weekend while day provides services 9-5 M-F?
        Do they share the same building and working spaces?
        What was L.Ron’s rationale for having two organizations instead of one?”

        Reply
        Mike Rinder says
        September 29, 2014 at 11:09 am
        Yes, you have it right.
        The reason was so that the staff would have time to do other things, study etc It was not originally for orgs staffed with Sea Org members, but for orgs staffed with people that lived in their own homes and had families. ASHO Foundation was an anomaly, the only Sea Org manned “Foundation” org.

        • endoftheQ

          They can’t afford candles for the ASHO Foundation. 😉

    • 3feetback-of-COS

      Really great news. Solid indication of scn colllapsing.

    • Artoo45

      They’ve now made contraction and retreat into “ElventybillionX expansion!”

      • 3feetback-of-COS

        Yep, in their own pretend universe!

  • This is awesome! Check Out Jamie DeWolf Coverage on the San Francisco Chronicle.

    Jamie has a cult following. 🙂 Ironically he’s got more followers than Scientology has customers. 🙂

  • screwsci

    The new generation of Russian’s that have migrated to our community are extremely conservative, homophobic and very clannish. The older generations that came early in this century were hard working, wanted to blend with the community and sweet natured. I don’t know what has caused this backlash but it is interesting! Perhaps it is because they stopped in San Francisco first….

  • Bob

    Very exciting news all around. I did not get a chance to add my own congratulations to Tony yesterday. I credit him for opening the door to saving me from inevitable destruction. I first found him at the Village Voice at a time when I was doubting myself and getting more deeply entrapped by BSology. He provided a window in which to view the truth and I was able to squeeze through it, although it was a tight fit.
    I am so encouraged by what is happening all over the world with the cult, as well as what I see happening first hand.
    Tony, you have my respect for you as a journalist and humanitarian. I know that word has been cheapened by the stupid use of it by the cherch. It still means what it means. I hope to someday meet you when this is all over and buy you a beer or whatever and to toast your journalistic integrity. Rock on!

    • i-Betty

      Rock ON, Bob!

      • Bob

        Thanks. Appropriate that theirs so much good news.

    • DeElizabethan

      Nice to hear from you today and what you say. I forgot the main point yesterday, of when i discovered Tony’s writing and that some truth was told. I checked it out and never thought the church would lie. Ha! Here it was written and exposed by Tony which was a singular point in my being dedicated to the truth. From there I’ve watched and to this day know Tony has integrity and the truth sets us all free. Fun too!

      • Bob

        Yes. It’s amazing how one person can change so many people’s lives. I’m sure there are many of us who have similar stories.

  • nottrue

    Thank you Jon Atack….Whenever the evils of scientology are brought into the light its a good thing.

  • Artoo45

    Russia is a country with a rich history, full of wonderful people, many of whom look on in horror at what their government is becoming. All nations must be vigilant for dark encroachments of human and civil rights. Jon is a marvel and his talk will do good. But let’s not forget that Putin is the David Miscavige of Russia, and he controls the Russian Orthodox Church. They are not our friends. They are a vital part of Putin’s plan to rebuild the old Soviet Empire cloaked in jeweled robes, ermine and false piousness.

    • aegerprimo

      Reminds me of a book titled “Animal Farm” by George Orwell.

      “Man is the only creature that consumes without producing. He does not give milk, he does not lay eggs, he is too weak to pull the plough, he cannot run fast enough to catch rabbits. Yet he is lord of all the animals. He sets them to work, he gives back to them the bare minimum that will prevent them from starving, and the rest he keeps for himself.”

      In the end the pigs wear men’s clothes. (That is the way I remember be point of the story).

  • Panopea Abrupta

    Red-X Red-X Red-X

    $cientology: putting the ASHO in asshole for decades.
    Kick these assholes off CL here:
    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-Kvg78kCcvo5gL7UfPcmhmbsagTNtdj0y2LAiHVFrCU/pubhtml
    and here:
    http://whyweprotest.net/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-114#post-2486742

    The Death Valley Ideal Org:

    • Researchers have recently figured out the exact conditions of wet, cold and wind that let those rocks boogie on the Racetrack Playa.
      http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-rocks-move-death-valley-lake-bed-20140827-story.html

      • Michael Leonard Tilse

        That is really cool. I was out to the Racetrack Playa back in the late ’90s with some friends. The road from the pavement is (or was) 27 miles of washboard humps and sharp gravel.

        It’s cool to know they have seen it actually happening, but sad a little that the mystery is gone. Still, the place has the haunting vista of the great plain and distant mountains.

        I took a great 4×5 transparency shot of one of the classic rocks and tracks with wonderful looming clouds and sky. I took other shots of the dunes and the salt pans out in Death Valley. It was a great day with good friends. I miss them.

    • endoftheQ

      I wish people would turn their dildos off when they’ve finished with them. *sigh* 😉

  • Jimmy3

    O/T: With apologies to Mr. Neil Young:

    There’s entheta on the net
    None of it is true
    SPs payin’ off their debt
    collect big pharma dues

    But there’s a warning sign
    on the blog ahead
    All the homo novis say
    that it’s better unread
    I can feel my Thetan
    and I am a clam
    So I try to avoid it
    any way I can

    Keep on blockin’ out the free world
    Keep on blockin’ out the free world
    Keep on blockin’ out the free world
    Keep on blockin’ out the free world

    Found a note the other night
    written by an SP’s hand
    Sayin’ wake up to the light (where’s a garbage can?)
    Where’s a garbage can? (there’s a garbage can)

    So I threw that shit away
    and I went to get an audit
    Not curious why
    nor wonder who wrote it
    It’s just one more wog
    Never went to Delphi school
    Never got to know source
    Never got to be a tool

    Keep on blockin’ out the free world
    Keep on blockin’ out the free world
    Keep on blockin’ out the free world
    Keep on blockin’ out the free world

    We got your planet-saving tech
    unless you’re homeless, man
    If you pass a credit check
    join our Ronbot clan

    We got i-deal orgs
    with toilet paper
    We got shells and boxes
    they need more paper
    Got a cob of the sheeple
    Know he’s best pope alive
    Got stats to churn
    Need funds to thrive

    Keep on blockin’ out the free world
    Keep on blockin’ out the free world
    Keep on blockin’ out the free world
    Keep on blockin’ out the free world

    • Science Doc

      Sounds good in either acoustic or electric.

    • Suppressive Tomato

      This: “If you pass a credit check join our Ronbot clan”

      A+

    • nottrue

      You said COB…..he he…he he…..

      • Captain Howdy

        I am the Great Cobholio! I need SP for my dung Hole!

    • With no apologies to Don Henley:

      September 18, 2014 at 12:03 am

      They’re pickin’ up the CIs and puttin’ ‘em in a pen
      And all she wants to do is reg, reg
      SPs been SPs since I don’t know when
      And all she wants to do is reg
      Kool-aid cocktail- the local drink
      And all she wants to do is reg, reg
      Crazy people walkin’ round with blood in their eyes
      And all she wants to do is reg, reg
      Wild-eyed staff who ain’t afraid to declare
      And all she wants to do is-
      All she wants to do is reg and make her take
      She can’t feel the heat comin’ off the street
      She wants to party
      She wants to get down
      All she wants to do is-
      All she wants to do is reg

    • Vaquera

      Thanks Jimmy3. Were I on a desert island and allowed one musician’s library, Neil’s body of work would be my choice. Great job on your re-write. Mr. Young would probably get a kick out of it!

  • Joe Hurtado

    I’m reminded of Johnny Jacobsen’s words yesterday about Scientology:

    So are the bad guys the Scientologists, who are ideologically committed to the notion that the end justifies the means; that it is acceptable to make money for the movement by any means necessary?

    Or are real villains of the piece the Russian authorities?

    For years now, they have been cracking down on Scientology and anyone else who doesn’t fit into the New Model Russia — again, by any means necessary.

    It’s difficult to know who to dislike more.

    The Russian authorities are informed by Orthodox principles, or, perhaps more accurately, use Orthodox principles to further their agenda to consolidate power through any means, including vilifying and scapegoating common enemies like homosexuals and our black, banana-eating president (they put on a laser show on the U.S. embassy depicting Obama in a birthday party hat, chomping on a banana.) Did I mention their racism? The Orthodox Church is a willing partner in developing Putin’s New Model Russia.

  • Chee Chalker

    Jon, you are the Bunker’s Tom Cruise…you have disseminated Bunker Tech (ie the truth) about the Co$ to 220,000,000 people!!!! I am sorry I do not have a slide show presentation to display your rocking stats, nor do I have a Medal of Honor to give you. But know that I am picturing a fabulous medal in my mind…..since it’s true for me, it’s true for you!
    Seriously…looking forward to your speech on YouTube and/or Kindle.

    • Baby

      I agree with everything except..

      ” I know Jon Attack.. He ain’t no Tom Cruise! ”

      We love Jon.. I can’t stand Cruise.

      • Chee Chalker

        Good point! I bet Jon does his own stunts too! ( though in fairness to the Mega Emerald Metorius Humanitarian Disseminator, I think he does some stunts too….but I did see a recent picture of him in a safety harness…guess he is worried about his meat body, not sure why because if he is OT VII, he should be able to fly)

  • Frank Lee

    Two videos this group might find of value:
    The first is a news story about Narconon
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmTIF0-lXuo
    The second is an audio of a beating within Scientology
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RtXZEg_00I

    • L.Ron Hubbard

      OT 8

    • DeElizabethan

      Well… thanks. Some damning evidence, especially the first one I hadn’t seen before. My god, spanking with a belt?

      • L.Ron Hubbard

        He has to look at my picrture too

        • DeElizabethan

          Ha hahaha. Yes, that was funny!

    • L.Ron Hubbard
      • Todd Tomorrow

        What about you molesting little girls. Listen to both interviews with the Witchcraft girls. I’m so glad your dyeing,too. Putting your greasy drunk hands down 11 year old girls shirts. I hope some junkie nurse steps on your pain medication.

  • Batfink

    Hi all! I haven’t commented in a long time (lurking and reading the posts and comments when I have the time) just wanted to share something totally unrelated to today’s post: I was fortunate enough to be at the marathon yesterday and saw this stall on the periphery of the finishing line in a highly frequented area. Think marathon and a gazillion people being around and not one person stopped by those 5 folks trying to ‘spread the message’ with their large dianetics signs on their somewhat faded windbreakers and a collection of rather used looking books of elroon’s written rubbish. We passed this spot again a few hours later and saw the books in a heap ready for rubbish collection. THIS made me smile!

    • Sherbet

      That makes me smile, too, except for the books being put in the rubbish. That doesn’t sound like something a cos rep would be allowed to do.

      • Batfink

        I am not sure if they were left there for rubbish collection – that’s just my assumption. I might have been the fact that there’s no parking around and they had to make a few trips to bring everything to the vehicle? Anyway, the bin men were busy cleaning the area and the books were sitting there (unguarded), hence my assumption. Still, made me smile.

        • Sherbet

          Left unguarded, and nobody stole them? Imagine that!

          • endoftheQ

            The bin men can’t touch them if they’re only collecting commercial waste. 😉

    • aquaclara

      To think they could have offered people a very special class in running in circles to this extra-special group of prospects….
      I’m grinning, just imagining the laughter….
      “You want me to PAY how much to run around a pole in Florida?” Huh? ”
      Thanks for your story, and if you ran, hope it was a good race.

    • Todd Tomorrow

      I bet they make them dig them out of the surrounding trash cans. But still they are probably told what a win it was. Since they are always running low for all their front groups.

  • Captain Howdy

    So apparently scientology’s net worth is up to 8 billion now? How’d that happen?

    • Observer

      Maybe Denise Miscavige’s crack houses were more profitable than previously known.

    • endoftheQ

      It’s Thai Baht. 😉

  • endoftheQ

    OT. I have literally just been wondering if Disqust was feeding info. to Google, and now I know, yes they are. 😉
    (refresh, svp)

    • Jimmy3

      https://help.disqus.com/customer/portal/articles/1670950

      It says opting out “may” deactivate your account. What kinda bullshit is that?

      • endoftheQ

        I noticed that an ad for TM appeared in the Bunker header image earlier today. The only place I’ve even mentioned TM in recent years is here in the Disqust comments. I figured that was a hell of a coincidence but put it down to me, being paranoid. 😉
        (refresh, svp)

        • Jimmy3

          You haven’t been googling it?

          • endoftheQ

            No. That’s my whole paranoia point. I haven’t Googled them, used a gmail account, etc. blah. The only place I’ve mentioned TM in years, is here in a comment. Ugh.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              Don’t understand much about,TM. I could google it but you don’t need a montra to mediate at a high price.

            • endoftheQ

              TM is one of the few things I’ve done that’s been worthwhile, made a positive and permanent difference to my life. That said, you can learn mantra-based meditation for free, or make a small voluntary donation, at most Buddhist centres. I’ve done both, and find I can transcend using either.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              I went to a meeting at a private TM teacher in San Francisco and he wanted lots of money. People like,Howard Stern and his elderly mother swear by it. But a buddy of mine who has a Dr. in psychology told me I didn’t need to pay that to learn to meditate. One of my best friends is a Buddhist monk but he is a real life misogynist. So would you suggest TM? Anything I might read that would change my mind? Thanks! Todd

            • endoftheQ

              I wouldn’t worry about your mate’s misogyny, just go to your local Buddhist centre, learn and run. It’ll save $$$ over doing it at TM. 😉

            • Artoo45

              Here, you can have my Sooper Seekrit™ mantra for freesies, I don’t use it anymore: Shiring. Enjoy it and never, ever, ever speak it aloud to another . . . oh, wait. Nevermind. And yes, meditation is a wonderful practice. TM however is just another cult.

            • endoftheQ

              Shiring?! You’re that old?! 😉 TM totally sucked as a cult, everyone wandered in-and-out as they pleased, nobody paid for their courses, regging was unknown, and the lack of floating Fartbuckets was appalling. I did, however, enjoy going on retreats, they had some fantastic places back in the day. Mentmore Towers showed Saint Hill up for exactly what it is, a doll-sized doss house for degenerates. 😉

            • Artoo45

              I never made it that far. I just got my mantra and then spent the rest of the time avoiding the people from the center who did reg me about doing the Sidhi program and learn to hop on my ass to “fly.”

            • endoftheQ

              It seems to have changed a lot, especially after Maharishi went vastu-mad and promptly popped his clogs. I saw from their last mailing, there are now four compulsory advanced courses sandwiched in between TM and TM-Sidhi, way to monetise, guys. I did the single advanced course back in the day, total waste of money. I also did SCI, interesting, but ditto. I learned Sidhi with a great group, we spent two whole weeks crying with laughter at each other’s attempts to hop. I did get a lot from Sidhi, but the problem is you need a couple of hours a day to practise it, great for retirees, not so much for those with a life. 😉

            • Todd Tomorrow

              Literally fly in your ass? Sounds like the orgy days in India with, Rajneesh (Osho).

        • aegerprimo

          This is my screenshot for today. Does it mean I am a liberal?

          • endoftheQ

            Click it, I bet it’s a free personality test. 😉

      • Observer

        Tony can deactivate it for the forum. I wonder what dire threats they’re making toward admins who do that.

        • Jimmy3

          The Disqus Mafia… Sure, you can opt out. All we’re saying is be very careful in considering what exactly it is you’re opting out of…

          • Observer

            How about a nice pair of concrete John Lobbs?

            • Jimmy3

              Sure, just uncheck the box and opt out… People will still find your site. They’ll find pieces of it here, maybe a few pieces of it over there… People all over will be finding your site.

            • Observer

              *side eye*

            • i-Betty

              Heh 😛

            • Todd Tomorrow

              lulz

        • aegerprimo

          Good question Obs. The answer, it is ALWAYS about money.

      • Eclipse-girl

        I Opted out. We will see if they take my account away

        • endoftheQ

          You’re my Fearless Leader, I’m agog with anticipation. 😉

          • Eclipse-girl

            I an NOT a leader. I will everyone know what happens.

            • endoftheQ

              Who said that?! Anyone else hear something?! 😉

        • aegerprimo

          I opted out as well.

      • Juicer77

        When I hit “learn more” it dumped me back to the Bunker. Hmmmmmm…..

  • Mark

    Hmm… While the entire Russian Orthodox Church might not be in bed with the Kremlin just yet, it’s not for want of trying (refresh):

    • Sherbet

      Well, jeepers, Putin’s been riding around on a horse, bare-chested, so there are bound to be admirers.

      • Joe Hurtado

        I wonder what the holy father thinks of Putin’s divorce and out-of-wedlock baby.

      • Captain Howdy

        He is hard to resist.
        ….

        • endoftheQ

          Putin’s a slut, he’ll fondle anyone’s roubles. 😉

        • vistaril_LOL

          He’s even butcher than Tiny Tom…swoon!!!!

        • L.Ron Hubbard

          1.1

      • Couch_Incident

        Well, some of the Orthodox clergy are attracted to power: [refresh]
        http://englishrussia.com/2011/04/08/church-and-army-go-together/

    • L.Ron Hubbard

      1.1

    • stillgrace2

      I don’t know what I like best, the photo, or your ingenious, readable “Russian” dialogue!

      • aegerprimo

        Both because Mark is awesome.

  • whingeybingey

    I’ve been to the Hermitage. Just being in the building itself was evocative, although we didn’t get to see into Anastasia’s bedroom at the time. The palace was very opulent, and you were seeing it as kind of obscene given the poverty of most of the populace, but also as a family home. And the collection of art was amazing.

    • Couch_Incident

      I’ve been a couple of times and was also stunned by art collection and appalled by the opulence. Most chilling though was visiting the room where Kerensky’s Provisional Government held its last meeting during the October Revolution and the adjacent bedroom where the Bolsheviks arrested them. Amazing what a small, well-organized group can do and how it can change world history.

  • Observer

    OT

    From WWP: Rizza Islam, erstwhile National Unity Summit invitee ( http://tonyortega.org/2014/09/20/sneaky-scientology-finds-another-way-to-get-access-to-high-school-students/#more-16964 ), posted this on Facebook. *refresh*

    • Jimmy3

      Dammit. Enough with all these batshit conspiracy theorist clowns. These people are the only reason no one takes us chemtrail truthers seriously.

      • lucille austero

        LOL. Chemtrails immediately came to my mind as I was reading her reply also!

      • endoftheQ

        I think a certain genetically modified dwarf should be implicated in this scenario. 😉

    • Couch_Incident

      Thank you KGB and Stasi for “Operation INFEKTION” and its lingering damage: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_INFEKTION

    • AintMizBahavin

      it isnt all of NOI thats involved with it

      After the death of Elijah Muhammad,
      his son Warith Deen Muhammad steered the movement away from its
      previous beliefs to mainstream Islam. Another branch, under Louis
      Farrakhan, split off and retained the Nation of Islam’s more
      controversial creed.

      It is this splinter group, led by Farrakhan, that is forging a connection with Scientology.
      Read
      more at
      http://www.beliefnet.com/Faiths/Home-Page-News-and-Views/is-farrakhan-merging-islam-and-scientology.

      just as not all sci agree with missvaiges treatment or running of the cos and from my understanding those involved with Farrakhan that didnt agree have left and return to the original branch of Islam

      • Captain Howdy

        The Nation Of Islam has never practiced traditional Islam. The notion that God would take human form is anathema to all Muslims. Plus there’s all the crazy Mother Ship stuff and all the rest.

        12. WE BELIEVE that Allah (God) appeared in the Person of Master W. Fard
        Muhammad, July, 1930; the long-awaited Messiah of the Christians and
        the Mahdi of the Muslims.

        • Observer

          Did someone say Mothership? He posted this in the wee hours of the morning on the day of the National Unity Summit.

          *refresh*

          • Captain Howdy

            Oy vey! The freaking morons can’t even get Allahu Akbar right.

          • Sherbet

            If that guy ever gets to heaven, Allah is going to slap him silly.

            • Observer

              I kind of feel bad for him. He’s only 24 and is up to his eyeballs with two dangerous cults.

            • Sherbet

              We can feel bad for him personally, but he has the ability to unleash a lot of hatred and misinformation. That’s scary.

          • endoftheQ

            It actually flew? Aw, fancy that. 😉
            (refresh, svp)

            • Qbird

              Hello there fancy English girl —
              Why ‘endoftheQ’ ?

              just wonderin’… Qbird.

            • endoftheQ

              I’m either at the end of the queue or there isn’t one, it’s all over. 😉

          • lucille austero

            My question is after he saw the ship, surely he then noted the chemtrails that were left behind? I hope he has a squirt bottle filled with vinegar.

          • Jimmy3

            Danny Xthegod. I swear I just saw that name recently, I think somewhere on Disqus.

            • Captain Howdy

              I think he plays for the Jets.

            • Jimmy3

              The Jets still play football?

            • Observer

              Ouch!

            • Jimmy3

              Every week the Brownies don’t lose, I get to belittle other teams. And they didn’t lose yesterday, so hah.

            • ze moo

              Cleveland looks pretty good this year. The Bills just benched their quarterback, Manuale (or something like that). Must be nice to finally figure out that your 30 million dollar QB is not a good GB.

            • Jimmy3

              Same old shenanigans, though. When they look good, it’s only for 2 quarters tops, and never the 4th quarter. They have guys on defense that act like they just won a championship when they get a big 3-and-out halfway through the first quarter. But they can’t even keep them out of FG range in the crucial minutes.

              And yeah, EJ. Manuel’s had a rough start. I wasn’t aware they officially benched him, but it looks like it’s Kyle Orton Time. The guy who was famously benched when the people of Denver screamed for Tebow Time. Oof.

            • Vaquera

              $30 million EJ Manuel benched in some part thanks to $100,000 million JJ “I love this game” Watt.

            • Captain Howdy

              That’s cuz they didn’t play. Hey, at least you beat The Saints.

            • Jimmy3

              If any team could manage to lose during a bye week, it’d be the Browns. But they didn’t lose, so I’ll take it.

            • Vaquera

              As a Texans fan, I was right there with ya’ last season (probably more so). For the time being, my cup-is-half-empty attitude is going to revel in the glow of #99 the 3-1 record while it lasts.

            • Jimmy3

              JJ What? Is he pretty good? Haven’t really heard too much about him.

            • Vaquera

              He’s an under-the-radar player. Now if I could just wrangle him an introduction to my daughter.

            • Jimmy3

              “I would like my daughter to meet an NFL player,” said Vaquera, the only person to ever say that.

              And wow, the Pats are getting stomped. Brady threw another pick, it’s about to be 31-0. This is nutso.
              Edit: nvm 27-0 after FG

            • Captain Howdy

              Tom Baby is in the house! Soon as he gets sacked and rattled,,forget about it. I have a feeling it’s going to be a long season,

            • Jimmy3

              This is when fantasy football is the worst. The only possible way I lose the week is if Brady scores 26 or more points. So he’s getting his ass kicked, and that’s good, but since he’s getting his ass kicked too much, it’s 27-7 and he will be throwing long for the rest of the game. He can easily lose this game but still beat my fantasy team with garbage points.

            • Captain Howdy

              I won’t worry. it’s only going to get worse for the pats.

            • Jimmy3

              Benched after a pick 6. Wow. You really are a Chickasaw shaman, aren’t you?

            • Captain Howdy

              Darn tootin’. And I predict that Garoppolo will replace Brady as starting quarterback this season.

            • Jimmy3

              Bold. If that happens, I can just imagine Drew Bledsoe laughing his ass off in a bar somewhere. Tawmmy the Golden Boy is replaceable, too, and by Jeanine’s little brother!

            • Captain Howdy

              Belichick & Kraft are the most ruthless coach/owner tandem in football. Just ask Bledsoe, Welker, Woodhead, Vinitieri, Seymour, Vrabel, Mankins etc, etc.. They have no loyalty to their players whatsoever.

            • Jimmy3

              Oh, for sure. The Patriot Way, baby. I wouldn’t ask Welker, though. I don’t want to have to repeat the damn question halfway through each of his several attempts at answering. And having to remind him which city he’s in every 10 minutes or so… C’mon.

              I’ve always thought Brady was an exception, some how special to Belichick. But Bill is pretty damn cold. You could be right that the minute he’s no longer useful, he’s out, just like that.

            • Vaquera

              Whoa there, Jimmy! Not “an NFL player” ; A guy named JJ who happens to be a professional football player. Even then, you know I’m joshing. Anyway, she has a predilection for NCAA basketball players. (She’s a Kentucky Wildcat)

            • Captain Howdy

              If she’s attracted to athletes maybe you should think about getting her a Glock for Xmas and some shootin’ lessons to boot.

            • Vaquera

              No way, no how! My insular family is a little island of blue floating in a sea of red.
              From the age 11 in the early ’70s, I grew up with a dead bolt on my bedroom door and a shotgun in my closet for protection (my parents had recently been victims in a vicious home robbery). I would have never fired at anyone and told my dad as much. He said that he tried to raise two republican daughters and we turned out to be two lovely liberals. He still shakes his head. Now if I can just get his Mississippi-born wife to give up her pink concealed handgun…..

            • Jimmy3

              Is it more painful to be shot by a pink gun? As a guy that’s never been shot, I can only imagine how excruciating it is to be shot by any gun or bullet. But knowing it was a pink gun, does the wound to a macho ego equal that of the gunshot wound? Personally I would not care what color the gun was if I were shot, because I had just been shot. But if the bullets were pink, too, I’d be slightly more annoyed. That’s a bit too much.

            • Robert Eckert
            • Jimmy3

              Damn. That guy had a bad week. 6 days later, this… http://archive.azcentral.com/news/articles/2011/08/18/20110818chandler-man-shot-penis-order-protection0817.html

              That’s probably when he was still in the hospital?

            • Vaquera

              The caliber of pain is not as important as “does this handgun go with my outfit?”

            • Vaquera

              Or, “Does this handgun my my hips look big?”

            • Jimmy3

              Well that’s twisted. But it explains why so many nuts wear camo. Every gun goes with camo. Except for bright pink guns.

            • Vaquera

              Unless you’re sporting pink camo … (Refresh)

            • Vaquera

              Howdy, dear heart, sent us down this sarcastic gun path of a comment-ation. So before I tuck in, and to reaffirm for those who may have gleaned the opposite, I am a lover not a fighter!!!

            • Vaquera

              A follow-up to our o/t Watt and camo convo. Came across this item today and though of you….

            • Jimmy3

              Haha! That would make a fine Christmas present for any Texan who carries a pink gun. 🙂
              Unless they’re one of those awful Cowboys fans. Ugh.

            • Captain Howdy

              Bill Maher “As long as we live in the gun country, I ain’t giving up my gun”

            • Eclipse-girl

              JJ did his undergrad at U W. I think he has great potential.

            • Vaquera

              We have our fingers crossed. 🙂

          • Sherbet

            Don’t look at me. I may be filled with green light, but it’s not my space scooter.

          • Shanester

            Great Xenu’s Ghost! And I wondered if the modern Kool-Aid Drinker was more insane than my generation? The answer is yes, I fear.

            • Observer

              To be fair, he’s also drinking the Farrakhan-Aid.

            • Shanester

              LOL, that’s right! That’s still just the weirdest thing. How can two UFO Alien Cults get together like that? Mr. Islam’s head should explode.

              Actually it probably will explode when he gets to OT4 and finds out the creatures on his mothership are the actually the enslavers. From my Wikipedia knowledge of the “Nation of Islam”, I do not see how it could be possible that they would think for a minute that Scientology would be compatible with their (far, far out there) beliefs!

            • Robert Eckert

              They should go for the trifecta mashup: 75 skillion years ago, the mad scientist Yaqub created the evil white men on the planet Kolob, so Xenu tried to get rid of them… (can we work Nibiru and the Annunaki in there somewhere?)

          • Eivol Ekdal
      • Observer

        I’d say this one is definitely part of Farrakhan’s group. This is a screenshot of his cover photo on his Facebook page. World Literacy Crusade is a Scientology front group founded by Alfreddie Johnson, who is responsible in large part for NOI’s entanglement with Scientology.

        *refresh*

    • ze moo

      Nutjobs all, don’t you know that Ebola is also a US government plot!

    • vistaril_LOL

      He fits right in don’t he?

    • Shanester

      Pity the poor cult member sustained on a steady diet of empty conspiracy. L. Ron Hubbard established and nurtured Scientology’s guiding delusions about, in order of infamy, the Psychs, the Squirrels and the Government. Paranoia derived from these so-called “Merchants of Chaos” is lovingly baked into the process of mental de- and re-construction that Hubbard so cleverly devised to groom his fan club. It may be, however, that Hubbard was so enamored of his own boogeymen that he did not anticipate an unintended consequence of grooming this disposition to conspiracy, namely the process of conspiratorial synthesis.

      Scientologists are not allowed to think about their own beliefs, much less the beliefs of anything else. They are encouraged to think about how the psychs infiltrate everything. With a little nudge from Hubbard’s comment about “fiat finance”, it’s a small step to conflate the psychs with the New World Order and just about any conspiracy you care to consider.

      I read “None Dare Call It Conspiracy” when I was thirteen years old. The men who wrote “The Leipzig Connection” were my teachers and mentors, a distressing thought given the content of their slim and poorly-researched treatise — the type of book I call a “trite-ise”.

      I grew up in a hotbed of conspiratorial evidence, from the homos running Hollywood to child molesters running public schools all the way to the aliens running the world government: “They’re probably 5th Invader Force,” one more-insane-than-average-Scientologist once nodded sagely to me.

      That no evidence was ever actually submitted is, of course, besides the point. The evidence has obviously been hidden or suppressed.

      I don’t know if the current, remaining crop of Kool-Aid Drinkers is as conspiratorially-minded as my generation from the 80s — or even smart enough to be so — but conspiracy is part and parcel of Scientology, even if its members take their insane theories even farther than the Old Man may have ever intended.

      • lucille austero

        So glad you are out

        • Shanester

          Thank you! Me too. At the end of the day, Scientology is just dreary and tedious. The real world is soooo much better, even with its multitude of problems.

      • Gus_Cox

        “…men who wrote “The Leipzig Connection”…”

        Ah, yes. Paolo Lionni and Lance Klass. For some reason, Lance’s byline was dropped from later editions of the booklet. I assume he got “disappeared” in the same manner as Martin Samuels.

        • Shanester

          Wow, I forgot about Lance. Yes, he was disappeared. It was Alan Larson who was pushing that book and its tenuous conclusions, especially after Paolo died from cancer in the middle of his OT levels. Paolo must have become PTS from all those Psychs he was confronting in America’s Broken Educational System. Paolo soon became another name that was not to be mentioned, because OTs are not supposed to die of cancer.

          It was too bad, because I really liked Paolo, even if his writing skills far surpassed his research skills.

    • Baby

      Jesus H Christ… ( and I never say that)

      Edit: I wasn’t cussin..I was prayin

      • Vaquera

        Seconded

  • The Hermitage is definitely on my list. Thanks, Jon.

    • Captain Howdy

      I’m still trying to make it to Fenway Park.

      • stillgrace2

        Maybe next year for the Red Sox? Until then … (F5)

        • Sherbet

          Aw, pretty, Grace.

      • Sherbet

        There I am in one of the loge seats, behind the batter. Can you see me? I waved to you.

        • Captain Howdy

          Are you the one waving the big finger thing?
          ….

          • Sherbet

            Yes, because You are #1.

  • nottrue

    John Oliver loves to poke fun at scientology……..

    • lucille austero

      Suh-weet

  • Artoo45

    Wow. If Disqus is feeding info into AdSense, then why am I seeing ads for Duck Dynasty, a show filled with mouf breathin’, burd blastin’, morons and they guuuuuns?

    • endoftheQ

      @Ethics Officer probably replied to one of your comments. 😉

      • stillgrace2

        Hah! Good one!

    • aegerprimo

      The ads are a shootin’ gallery of BS?

    • aquaclara

      Seriously, it might have connected someone who used the word “squirrel” to mean someone who hunts.

      • kemist

        Or someone who likes to eat them squirrels…

        • Vaquera

          Chicken fried road kill.

  • stillgrace2

    Down thread, Jeffrey Augustine and Karen de la Carriere posted a delicious reminder of the “sponsored content” Atlantic fiasco of January 2013. I posted the hilarious “sponsored sciloon comments” with that thread today. Wouldn’t it be fun if one of Tony’s tipsters forwarded a copy of the email that instructed the sciloons to comment and upvote?

  • aegerprimo
    • aegerprimo

      Oh sorry, take a look at the last paragraph on this screenshot.

      • Todd Tomorrow

        You should call and ask how many thetans they are expecting?

        • endoftheQ

          Oh, and how many copies the $cilons bought. 😉

      • Unless you’re an established Big Name Author, publisher support for book tours is minimal, and it’s a dreary business spending days at the back of bookstores signing the occasional sympathy book. CoS offered to promote his book and wine and dine him, and it wouldn’t even have to be a top-notch wine and dine.

    • Anonymous

      It is yet another attempt to wear a disguise and probably an appeal to the NOI membership:

    • Vaquera

      Art Gilliam was a member of the flocked from 1995 until at least 2010 according to his Truth about $cio class listings. Hard to reconcile the fact that the owner of the #1 gospel radio station in the country, who was a Yale freshman at 16 years of age, is a Ronbot. I wonder what his “status” is these days.
      http://www.thehistorymakers.com/biography/art-gilliam

  • Panopea Abrupta

    Red-X Red-X Red-X

    Organized religion learns about disorganized “religion” from Jon Atack.

    Disorganized? Mike Rinder today says that ASHO Foundation Org is closing.

    LRH ED 7 INT, CLOSING OR COMBINING ORGS,
    “Closing or combining orgs with their Foundations is unlawful and is an act of high Treason.

    Der Malignancy is hereby declared as being in a state of treason.

    Help their disorganization here (and hurry up, while stocks last):
    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-Kvg78kCcvo5gL7UfPcmhmbsagTNtdj0y2LAiHVFrCU/pubhtml
    or here:
    http://whyweprotest.net/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-114#post-2486742
    St. Andrews Ideal Org:

    • Hyder Simpson

      Scroll down from Pan’s wwp link for today’s additions and updates.
      The new batch just added includes one that asks “Were You Diagnosed with Bi-Polar Disorder?
      https://orangecounty.craigslist.org/had/4691475149.html
      Will Tony be reporting on a lawsuit from the someone the Scientologists convinced to go off their lithium?

      Belated Happy Anniversary to Tony, Scott, the cats and all the fabulous folks here in the Bunker. You are a treasure. Well, most of you, anyway ; )

    • Observer

      I’ve been in that cemetery! (As a visitor, not a resident.)

      • DodoTheLaser

        Thanks for the clarification. lol

    • Robert Eckert

      It’s obvious!

  • DeElizabethan

    Thank you so much Jon for keeping on top of things. Going to Russia speaking the truth and coming out with new writings is spectacular.

  • Phil McKraken

    Jon Atack’s mission to the Orthodox thought leaders looks like what Scilons might call Unsafepointing.

  • L.Ron Hubbard
    • flyonthewall

      I don’t get it. Is this just a painful diversion or did I miss some joke?

      • L.Ron Hubbard

        Jack my ol’ pal. I’ve just hit the Rum, thatsall

        • Observer

          And that’s why they call you L. Rum Hubbard.

          • jeff

            Or Cat Daddy.

        • flyonthewall

          I see. It’s just that the woman frightened me and considering we raised Babalon together, that really says something! Ahh, the good ole days. Hey, remember when I cast that storm spell on you and you almost capsized! Fond memories. I’m glad we can laugh about it now old chum

      • Todd Tomorrow

        I think L.Ron likes to look at hot men. But it’s just another song like Katy Perry’s but with worse(bad) motivational lyrics. It looks like simulated rape at one point which is disturbing. But she gets sweet revenge on him by spray painting his neck with blue spray paint. That’ll show him,eh?

  • Xique

    Jon , I’m so impressed with this keynote speech/ power point presentation you gave to these religious fellows in the monastery. I laugh at your remark that it “verged on stand up” and ” flying blind with absolutely no audience response”. I hope someday I can be in the audience at one of your talks. You are funny and enlightening to boot. I also believe you too possess a calm heart. You do good work, thank you.

    • aquaclara

      Love what you’ve said here…..
      Jon is amazing. I am so happy his books are getting translated into more languages.
      Such great work.

  • Sherbet

    http://www.dailyfinance.com/on/ftc-fines-makers-caffeine-infused-weight-loss-underwear/

    Let’s see…What is it that’s born every minute? (And on Target Two, Ron is cursing, “Why didn’t I think of that!?”)

    • Observer

      Speechless

      • Sherbet

        Coming soon to Flag: Sooper Knickers guaranteed to purge the most stubborn thetans.

        • Observer

          With built-in Thetan Hands!

    • Captain Howdy

      They should have soaked the underwear and drank the run-off and then wrapped themselves in saran wrap.

      • Sherbet

        Or just hit Dunkie’s.

      • Jimmy3

        In high school, a buddy of mine trying to make weight for wrestling ate *only* oranges for weeks and weeks, and also used the saran wrap sweat technique. He made weight, but had to stop doing that because he developed terrible ulcers. He was only 15, but he sounded like an old man, always complaining about his ulcers.

        • Baby

          I used Saran Wrap in HS.. but had nothing to do with Weight Loss..

        • Sandy

          In the 80’s, there were ‘salons’ that covered you in ‘secret’ creams. wrapped you in something like saran wrap, and heated you (that part I don’t exactly remember).

          I did it before a boat party with a new boyfriend..That night I passed out in his bed, fainted dead in the middle of the night in his bathroom, and he then refused to see me for 2 weeks, until I begged him to help me with my lawn mower.

          He later married me – but – geez – weight lose gimmicks …

          • Vaquera

            They are still available at many spas as an “herbal body wrap.”

            • Sandy

              Really? Young women – please do not get sucked in…

            • Juicer77

              The podcast rocks.

              http://skeptoid.com/

            • Vaquera

              My observation is that it’s the “ladies who lunch” crowd who are the ones scheduling the service most often. I fidget way too much (aside from the fact that I would never!).

          • pronoia

            I like to get my feet saran wrapped for my annual spring cleaning pedicure 🙂

          • Jimmy3

            That’s a great story, I love it, but I can’t be the only one wondering if the lawn mower worked… Did he fix it?

            • Sandy

              I believe there is a testosterone switch that you men know about and keep hidden from us.

            • Jimmy3

              If there were such a switch, I would not be allowed to confirm or deny its existence.

    • Jimmy3

      I had absolutely no idea that those are micro-caffeinated or whatever the hell. I only bought them because they looked so comfortable.

      • Sherbet

        And let me say, on you, they look cute.

  • George M. White

    Great work Jon, I’m so happy to see the truth about Scientology spread throughout the world.

    Hubbard’s “secrets” need to be exposed. You are serving mankind by openly presenting the facts

    about the cult of greed.

    • Lurkness

      Thanks for calling in to the podcast too. You would be great for another full show.

  • Baby

    Cooper Kessel..wrote over at Mike’s ( If it’s been mentioned I’m sorry.. Just got up)

    Cindy,

    The collapse of the Cult is not likely to proceed in a linear fashion as
    you note. The Titanic struck the iceburg at 11:40 PM on the 14th of
    April, 1912. The belief by those on board was that the ship was
    unsinkable; nothing to worry about here!

    By 12:40AM the first lifeboats were being prepared for loading. Not
    all lifeboats were loaded to capacity, after all, it was a chilly
    evening out there! The last lifeboat with people on board began to lower
    at 2:05AM while four men played cards in the first class smoking room!

    By 2:20AM the Titanic was gone. 2hours and 40 minutes elapsed from
    the striking of the iceberg to its demise. All the action took place in
    the last 15 minutes.

    One empty lifeboat floated off the deck as it went down. Of the 2230 passengers and crew, 1500 went down with the ship.

    I have no doubt we are watching a similar process here with the
    demise of a Cult. It took about 30 years to build it. (1950 to 1980) It
    took another 20 before it struck an iceberg (Lisa McPherson ?) It took a
    few years to get the lifeboats in position. (Marty left 2004, Mike Left
    2007) Now most of the lifeboats are away and we watch as the great Cult
    goes down in the bow. The Miscarriage plays cards and drinks Scotch in
    the Parlor of Hemet. The Cult will disappear soon and we will need to do
    what we can for those bobbing in the frigid waters of the wog world.

    • aegerprimo

      Yes. The Cult will disappear soon and we will need to do what we can for those bobbing in the frigid waters of the wog world.

      • aegerprimo

        TY THDNE (refresh to see image)

      • Baby

        Yep.. Going down aeger…….

        • Vaquera

          DM probably keeps an emergency snorkel in his locked, bottom left desk drawer next to the baby bottle full of scotch.

          • Baby

            Heh Texas.. Hey I got booze in my baby bottle too.. ( NOT scotch..ugh)

            • Vaquera

              The Parisian restaurant, Le Refuge des Fondu, in the neighborhood of Montmartre, serves their wine in baby bottles whose nipples have been snipped a tad for easier access/greater flow. A totally kitschy, touristy place now, but still a grand time.

            • Baby

              Well..How fun! What a cute idea!

      • Captain Howdy

        “we will need to do what we can for those bobbing in the frigid waters of the wog world.”

        No sharkbait for Howdy?

      • Todd Tomorrow

        I’ve heard that such a place exists in,LA. I’ve always wanted to donate things like bedding that they might need. But emailed Chuck and never got a response( several times). I was referred to him by two higher ups but maybe he is not in charge. If anybody knows how we can help this rumored shelter please let me know.

        • Cosmo Pidgeon

          A good Idea….and a place to run to would surely be welcome by some…Then you have all the permits and such….hope it works.

          • Todd Tomorrow

            I’m sure it does exist as I’ve heard about it several times. But keeping it private might be an issue. Hopefully some fucked over whale or privately funds it,assuming they have any money left. They’d need lots of emotional support and I’m sure numerous ex-clams in the LA area would love to help. Lots of family’s in Salt Lake open their houses to the boys thrown out of the poligamist moron culture that surrounds Utah. The fathers see them as a threat and banish them from the sick incest ridden compounds. Many find themselves selling their underage bodies to eat. It is so sick and sad.
            I’ve heard horrible stories of elderly clams being sadly thrown to the street. The Queen of the Way to Happiness booklets was tossed to the streets in her elderly age and was eating out of trash cans. Although she worked her ass off distributing the most pamphlets ! Although she had shunned her children luckily one let her back into her life and fed her. She had dropped her daughter and two boys for, l r loon. If I remember correctly she had to be put into a care facility that caused financial strains on the family that could afford to pitch in to pay the expensive home. And she had left them 30 years prior.

            • Cosmo Pidgeon

              Todd, those are some awful stories that I am not familiar with. If the place exists, privacy makes a lot of sense. That must be the case with elderly Scions and there are many approaching those years. And yes, emotional support aside from food a shelter is needed. Not everyone has family or friend that will take them back.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              Karen did a story with her daughter but it seems to have vanished. I know her daughter did have problems with OSA when she went public about the clams treatment of her mother. There was a two part series but I can’t seem to find it. I’ll try to contact Karen and see if I can find out what happened to it. Very moving and sad but really show the clams true colors.

            • Cosmo Pidgeon

              Thanks Todd

        • pronoia

          Like a half-way house? I would imagine that there is a system of safe houses set up.

          If you wan to find a way to help, what about contacting Tory Christman? Or better yet, Karen de la Carriere & Jeffrey Augustine? They seem to have pretty good intel about recently escaped Sea Orgers.

          • DodoTheLaser

            And wasn’t FBI offering help to any blown Sea Org members? Like housing, etc.
            I think it was mentioned by Mat Pesh or someone Jeff was interviewing recently.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              Chuck now list the number of the 1/2 way house number on his toll free line. I left a message with a social worker to call me back if we can figure out what they might need. I’ll post the number if he deems it appropriate. In the past it wasn’t on Chuck’s toll free line. The address is also posted and if they need things we can all send them anything they need that we can afford. The post would be perfect as the clam’s would be sued for fucking with federal employees. Just an idea anyway. But we need to make their transition out of hell easier. People who are lawyers might be able to do donate some legal advice. Let’s all get creative.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              If you have some time could you try to find out that info. The more options and we could maybe ask Tony to do a story or a mention of all the options to leave.I don’t know Matt or Jeff but have chatted with Karen and Chris S.

            • Eivol Ekdal
            • Eivol Ekdal
        • DodoTheLaser

          Chuck Beatty? He posts here all the time. He is also on FB and always replies to me.
          You can also call him: 412-260-1170 Chuck posted this number for years.

          • Todd Tomorrow

            DoTL , He gave me his email which I requested,but I’ve sent him a request a couple of times and I never heard back. I figured he was too busy to get back to me. His toll free # seems like an emergency number. I’ll try to ring him tomorrow now that I know his time zone. Thanks Boss! I also was given his info by the higher ups. I bet it must be a sensitive privacy issue. If you have a good relationship w/ him maybe we could figure this out. I’d love to donate some extra bedding or anything that could help. If we all figured out away to pitch in it could easily set up. Of course the only thing that could be that security might be an issue is only thing I can’t think might be an issue. Being chased around LA by clam Private I’s can be dangerous and shall we save more than,”never racking”.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jHlIjBk-ss

            • DodoTheLaser

              It’s very nice of you trying to help. Don’t worry about being chased.
              You are not doing anything “chasable” by delivering blankets or whatever.
              Red Cross does that all the time.

              I don’t know if there is a halfway house, but give Chuck a call.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              Is one! see above post. Thanks,DTL !

            • Todd Tomorrow

              I don’t live in LA thank Xenu. But I did live in Orange County. I’d board flights from Orange County(Santa Anna John Wayne International airport) and fly on American Eagle to meetings in LA. We’d be in small commuter aircraft right over all the traffic.SNA has noise laws so we would have to get up to altitude quickly. I’d never been on planes with so many scared yuppies. Lots of tears and holding onto the seats with white knuckles. I hate LA.

        • aegerprimo

          I didn’t know there was such a place. I wonder if Karen de la Carriere or Tory know anything about it.

    • DodoTheLaser

      Awesome analogy!

      • Baby

        When I read it..you know I HAD to scurry right back here and share it Dodo.. Yes, perfect analogy!

        • DodoTheLaser

          Thanks, Baby!

        • DeElizabethan

          Thanks Baby, you are more courageous than me as I thought about the same thing. It was great!

  • For anyone that doesn’t know Chicago PD is back. The show is awesome. It’s the one with Jason Beghe. Highly recommend it.

    • Baby

      Hell of a show Derek! Gritty..and of course Jason is beyond fabulous. Yeah his career just was destroyed since he left scilooooooooneytunes.. ( Love your avi! )

      • Vaquera

        Tonight I’m streaming the tv show Numb3rs while reading comments and, voilà, there is Mr. Beghe in a guest role. Jinx!!!

        • Baby

          Wow.. I always liked Numb3rs.. Fabulous Line!

  • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

    I just watched the film from Atack onto Hassan. It was great. I am going to bookmark it.

    Atack said that Scientology is worth about 8 billion. I had not heard that high a figure before. He estimated 25,000 Scientologists. Quick math is that if they split the stash there is 1/3 of a million for each and every Scientologist. This was the amount Tony said on his last radio show that was needed to clear a person.

    I don’t think this really matters but I like to have fun with figures.

  • Observer

    This is nowhere near on topic, but it’s hilarious!

    http://cheezburger.com/319237

    • Juicer77

      Only if you weren’t on that plane. Both hubby and I each had flights from he** this summer – the babies were fine, the idiot parents needed to get off the plane. “Nadia” should have had an unfortunate “accident” and been knocked unconscious shortly after takeoff.

    • DodoTheLaser

      This is really funny!

  • Lady Squash

    Bravo, Jon! Really great!

  • DodoTheLaser

    Jon, you said that a Russian translation of “Let’s sell these people A Piece of Blue Sky” is already underway. This is HUGE! It makes me really happy! Please, let us know when it will become available.
    Will it be on Amazon? Kindle? I know “a few” people in Russia/former USSR who WILL read it.
    Thank you so much, Jon!

    • Captain Howdy

      So Dodo, you know my sister?

      • DodoTheLaser

        No, I don’t. But my DSA probably does.

        • Captain Howdy

          Yeah, her name Is Jennifer C. NYC OSA, at least she was last I heard.

          • DodoTheLaser

            I have an idea.
            What if you post a photo of her and some NY Anons will say hi to her from you?

            • Captain Howdy

              I don’t have any photos and I don’t want to say hi to her unless she’s left the cult. Thanks anyway.

            • DodoTheLaser

              Roger that. I just thought it would be cool for someone to remind her that she has a brother. Who knows what’s going on in her head right now, may be she is on the verge of blowing. You know? Sorry if I caused any upset, Howdy.

            • Captain Howdy

              Not at all, Dodo, not at all.

            • DodoTheLaser

              Cool.

            • Mark Foster

              Your data search inspired me and I just found out that a guy I worked for was, allegedly, an OSA investigator at some point…Wow. Dumbfounded…

            • DodoTheLaser

              Is she blond or brunette? I google image the name and found 2 photos.

            • Captain Howdy

              No, that’s ok.

            • DodoTheLaser

              Ok.

    • Cosmo Pidgeon

      Dodo you are a treasure.

      • DodoTheLaser

        I would like to be one. Thanks.

  • Narapoid

    Some Phishing crap came on and knocked out my passwords. Had to re-do. This is the stuff that makes me Narapoid…

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZyVZFJGX5g

    • DodoTheLaser

      Good on changing passwords. Love this song! Thanks!
      Here’s the cover that not many will probably like, but check it out.
      Oh, and don’t be too paranoid 🙂 Come to The Bunker for a free hug.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtUDKKC7n8E

  • SLIM

    I’m a day late…dollar short?
    Thank you Tony for all the time and work you do here…
    I remember when you left VV…
    We were worried for [just a bit] that it would all end…
    And then came “The Bunker”…To all our relief…
    I have spent many wonderful hours perusing this blog..
    I don’t post much these day but I always read…Thank you..

  • Mike Leopold

    Critical analysis of Scientology and rational condemnation of its many excesses coming from mainstream religious groups are like a wooden stake into the heart of the vampire cult, and may, in the long run do more damage than even governmental intervention
    How can Scientology dead agent priests and rabbis? Not so easily, right, OSA?
    Jon Atack continues to amaze me with his brilliance!

    • DeElizabethan

      “How can Scientology dead agent priests and rabbis? Not so easily, right, OSA?”
      Good point!

      • Captain Howdy

        How can scientology dead agent priests? Let me think..hmmm..nope, nothing.

  • California

    Alexander Dvorkin has been a bright light in this work for many years and I have been a fan since first meeting him 8 years ago in London at the 2006 F.A.I.R. conference that led to some over-due change in England.

    What a wonderful way to spread the word, Jon. I cannot wait to read more.

    • DodoTheLaser

      I don’t think anyone in Russia had as many dead agent attacks by OSA, as Alexander Dvorkin.
      The most recent one was only a month or two ago. Yet, Alexander is like a honey badger or rather
      a honey bear – does not care and does what he does – exposing the cult. Russian SP #1. God bless.

      • Jimmy3

        Medvedev is bear, honey eating bear. Honey bear. Bunker is teacher. Dodo is teacher.

        • DodoTheLaser

          It’s Medved 😉 Medvedev is a Prime Minister. Thanks for the awesome daily laughs, J3!

          • Jimmy3

            I was so close. I feel like we discussed Medved/bears not too long ago.

            • DodoTheLaser

              You are doing great! And yes, we did. (F5)

            • Jimmy3

              So what is a honey badger?

            • DodoTheLaser

              Is that a trick question?

            • Jimmy3

              No, but it definitely looks like one. I meant what do you call a honey badger in Russian?

            • DodoTheLaser

              Ah! Sorry. Apparently it’s “медоед” – honey eater. I guess bear is a badger’s uncle.
              All I know they both like honey a lot and I wouldn’t want to stand in between. lol

              Wow. Just realized something – bear in Russian “медведь”, badger “медоед”..
              Jimmy, are you Russian? Don’t answer that. Holy honey!

            • Robert Eckert

              Those Russian words are examples of what is called “taboo avoidance”: speaking the name of something might summon it, so the true name of the animal (Indo-European root was something like Hittite hartga seen in Greek arktos, eroded by what is called “taboo deformation” in Latin ursus, eroded even worse in Spanish oso) was substituted with a poetic description. English bear is also “the brown one” with altered pronunciation, a taboo deformation of a taboo avoidance.

            • Captain Howdy

              They don’t have honey badgers in Russia..but they do have these.
              ….

            • DodoTheLaser

              This bad boy reminds me of Tom Araya.

            • Jimmy3

              What the hell is that? And does he wants a bissit?

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              Honey Badger Don’t Care.

              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4r7wHMg5Yjg

  • Pierrot

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    • DodoTheLaser

      Just flagged a bunch. The ads and the pics they use are so lame, I feel like RED X team are the only people who ever look at them for more than 2 seconds. Thanks, Pierrot and Hyder. I hope Cars is well.

  • George M. White

    Thanks Lurkness.
    I would do it to help get out the truth about the original OT VIII.
    Hubbard wanted badly to be Lucifer and others. His mind was full of his own importance
    and drama. He never saw his own mental contradictions.