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Steve Cannane has Scientology book news, and helps us with a Down Under history lesson

SteveCannane2Here’s a bit of news we’ve been keeping under our hat. Steve Cannane, one of Australia’s excellent television journalists who cover Scientology, told us some time ago that he’d signed a contract to write a book about Scientology’s history Down Under.

Scientology has a long and controversial background in Australia, and Cannane has been hard at work interviewing people and digging up documents for his book. He doesn’t have a publication date for us yet, but he agreed to let us reveal that his project is nearing completion after we pestered him recently with a question about an obscure document.

The document first came up because researcher Martin Ottmann brought it to our attention. It’s something that Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard wrote in 1966 about a disastrous government investigation in Australia and what effect it might have on his prospects in England, where he’d been living for seven years. We sent a copy of the document to Cannane, and he ended up writing a fascinating exegesis of Hubbard’s memo for us.

We think it should give you some glimpse of the kind of work Steve is doing in his book, and it helped us see how several disparate elements of Scientology history all fit together. We’ll post the document after Steve’s analysis, which begins here…

This document is a fascinating piece of Scientology history. It centres around a “rumour” that British MP Lord Balniel is about to call for an inquiry into Scientology in the UK. Hubbard dismisses the threat, writing that “it isn’t anything to worry about.” Not quite. Hubbard is beginning to feel the heat, as Scientology’s troubles in Australia spill into England.

How Hubbard handles this threat will change Scientology forever. Within twelve months he will have set up the Guardian Office and the Sea Organization, and he will go into self-imposed exile. All of these significant moments in Scientology history can be traced back to an inquiry held in far off Australia.

In the 1950s, Hubbard saw Australia as some kind of Promised Land. During a visit to Melbourne he told local Scientologists that Australia would be the world’s first “Clear continent.” He described it as, “the country, perhaps, with the greatest and brightest future on the face of Earth today.” But things had changed by the time this document was published in 1966. By then, Scientology’s founder considered Australia a brutal, backward country incapable of escaping its convict past.

In 1963, the Australian state of Victoria held the world’s first government inquiry into Scientology. It ran for nearly eighteen months, taking evidence from over one hundred and fifty witnesses. Kevin Anderson QC, who lead the one-man board of inquiry, was appalled by what he found. “Scientology is evil,” he wrote, “its techniques evil; its practice a serious threat to the community, medically, morally and socially.” In December 1965, Victoria became the first place in the world to ban Scientology.

Hubbard was 17,000 kilometres away in East Grinstead, England, but could not avoid the fallout. As Roy Wallis points out in The Road to Total Freedom, “It was not until 1965 that mention of Scientology began to appear systematically in the British Press.” The reports invariably referred to the inquiry in Victoria. England however, was different. This is where Hubbard lived, had based Scientology headquarters and made much of his money from trainees at Saint Hill Manor. He could not afford to upset the authorities in the UK.

By the time Hubbard wrote this memo, it was no rumour that “some lord” was going to ask a question in Parliament about an inquiry. Two days earlier, Lord Balniel, Conservative MP For Hertford and the chairman of the National Association for Mental Health, had got up in the House of Commons and asked the Health Minister whether he would initiate an inquiry into Scientology, stating, “In view of the scathing criticism by an official board of inquiry in Australia into the so-called practice of Scientology, surely the right honorable Gentleman considers that it is in the public interest to hold a similar type of inquiry in this country?”

The Health Minister, Kenneth Robinson, said he had no plans for any form of inquiry. But the Scientologists did. Hubbard in this memo lays out a plan to “Get a detective on that lord’s past to unearth the tid-bits. They’re there.” Hubbard is still obviously seething about how he was treated in Australia, writing “England’s Parliament is not about to pass or even introduce law barring religion or philosophy. After all these aren’t ex-convicts.” But Hubbard was sufficiently concerned to follow through with his threat to investigate Lord Balniel.

Ten days after Lord Balniel’s intervention in Parliament, Hubbard set up a “Public Investigation Section,” which would employ private detectives from outside Scientology ranks. Vic Filson answered an advertisement in the Daily Telegraph and was the first to be hired. “I was told that the first victim who was to be investigated was to be Lord Balniel.”said Filson. The private investigator resigned from the job in disgust and took his story to the press. The following month the Public Investigations Section became the Guardian Office. Hubbard would now have his own loyal band of Scientologists available to spy on his critics.

In August, there were further calls for an inquiry into Scientology in the UK, after revelations that Karen Henslow, a 30 year old Sussex woman had ended up in psychiatric care following Scientology processing. Her mother Hilary Henslow, and the psychiatrist looking after her demanded the Health Minister set up an inquiry. Initially the Minister resisted, but the case of Karen Henslow would haunt Hubbard. It gained national media attention and led to an adjournment debate on Scientology in the House of Commons.

Hubbard was feeling the pressure and looking for an escape route. The master of reinvention was about to blindside even his closest followers. His “Pope of Scientology,” John McMaster, got a hint of what was coming, “You know, John,’ he told McMaster, “we have got to do something about all this trouble we are having with governments. There’s a lot of high-level research still to be done and I want to be able to get on with it without constant interference. Do you realize that 75 per cent of the earth’s surface is completely free from the control of any government? That’s where we could be free — on the high seas.” Hubbard was about to form the Sea Organization.

A final point on this document, Hubbard appears to be saying that he agreed to the inquiry in Victoria that set off this chain of events, but with conditions applied. “I okayed only this: That we agree into an Enquiry into all mental Health Services and activities. This was the order.” This statement reads like historical revisionism. The inquiry was only ever going to be about Scientology. I’ve accumulated evidence, including a previously unpublished letter from Mary Sue Hubbard, that I believe shows Hubbard did approve of an inquiry into Scientology. But you’ll have to wait for the book to come out for that.

 
We can’t wait! And if you have any tips or suggestions for Steve, drop him a line. Now, here’s the 1966 document we’re talking about, followed by a transcript.

 

L. Ron Hubbard on Australian investigation, 1966

 

1. The “news” that some lord [Lord Balniel] is “going to ask a question in the House as to why the Health Minister here does not conduct an Enquiry into Scientology like in Melbourne” as published in the “News of the World” which we are sueing gives us this planning.

2. First, it isn’t anything to worry about.

3. Melbourne went awry because it was a non-compliance. Hemery gave the Melbourne Office permission to agree to an Enquiry. I okayed only this: That we agree into an Enquiry into all mental Health services and activities. This was the order. Hemery or Williams narrowed it to Scientology only.

4. Obviously we could have had a ball and put psychiatry on trial for murder, mercy killing, sterilization, torture, and sex practices and could have wiped ou[t] psychiatry’s good name.

5. That went wrong and Melbourne wouldn’t follow any other order either. So it was a mess.

6. If we are ever so involved again we demand one or all mental healing activities including psychiatry and demand it loudly. And lead them up the path to slaughter.

7. Planning would be If any more is heard of this:

(1) Mary Sue will write a letter for the Chaplain to all members of Parliament and have it photolithoed and if it hots up mail it to all members of Parliament.

(2) Get a detective on that lord’s past to unearth the tid-bits. They’re there.

(3) Stress sex and blood in psychiatry and collect data and mount an all out attack in the press on psychiatry, so that “Mental Health” sees that they are going to get hurt and will cool off.

(4) If an Enquiry after all occurs and we are pulled in, we try only Melbourne’s illegalities all over again (not their transcript) and try psychiatry only. We refuse to discuss or describe Scientology. As near as we come is “Well Scientology isn’t like Psychiatry. In psychiatry they think adultery is a cure for …………..”. You get it. Curve every answer with answers that MAKE LURID PRESS TO PSYCHIATRY’S COST. Papers by policy only want blood and sex – so give them Psychiatry’s and they’ll print it. Further couple the words Psychiatry and Capitalism – allege that Psychiatry is the Capitalist tool (a Conservative opened the attack in the UK) and found the press beating the drum for us.

(5) Refuse to let the enemy introduce Melbourne transcripts as suits are in progress – “sub-judice”. Use only Melbourne illegalities.

8. Remember these things – we won against the FDA. We are winning on US tax. We have caught the ball on UK tax. Part of our trouble is that we’re an up statistic and governments are SP and strike at all rising statistics. (See Income Tax scales of tax; as your wage rises the penalty percentage rises.)

9. The Melbourne staff set up a nice new org in Adelaide and other states in Australia are revolted at Victoria.

10. The US is clean operating ground.

11. And England’s Parliament is not about to pass or even introduce law barring religion or philosophy. After all these aren’t ex-convicts.

12. These flurries can be expected. Plan for them and handle.

13. This is nothing compared to what will happen when we start taking SPs out of the government. They are rightly afraid.

14. So don’t you be. Tomorrow belongs to us. Inevitably there are bumps in the road.

L. Ron HUBBARD

 
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Int Base inundated

Three straight days of rain have brought mudslides in Riverside County, California, and news reports say several people had to be rescued from cars that were trapped in mud on Gilman Springs Road. That’s the road that bisects Scientology’s secretive International Base, on some 500 acres of land in what was once the Gilman Hot Springs resort. TV reports have made reference to property at the mudslides site being owned by “Golden Era Productions,” which is the name of Scientology’s audiovisual division.

Mudslides are nothing new at Int Base, which lies in a flood plain. Lawrence Wright, in Going Clear, recounts one time around 1990 when Scientology leader David Miscavige was enraged when a mudslide ruined the good time he was trying to show Tom Cruise and his new girlfriend, Nicole Kidman: “When a flood triggered a mudslide that despoiled the couple’s romantic bungalow, Miscavige held the entire base responsible, and ordered everyone to work sixteen-hour days until everything was restored to its previous pristine condition.”

If anyone knows of any specific damage to the base this time, please let us know.

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on December 5, 2014 at 07:00

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  • Continuing my Happy Holidays to the Bunker, with my third redone song. This was one of the first I completed, the opening line came to me during the summer, when I first thought of doing this. If I only would have started these then! Today is a redone Away in a Manger.

    Away in the hole, that does not exist
    People reside, they no longer resist
    Resigned to their fate, not knowing the date
    May someday they get away from this fate
    They huddle in corners, niblet storms in
    Chairs places in circles “Let the games begin!”
    Musical chairs, round and round they go
    Pushing and shoving and coming to blows
    Is this real life or is it fantasy
    Caught in a landslide no escape from reality
    Done to amuse, the game is quote cruel
    People are weakened by months of just gruel
    When will they wake up from this nightmare
    Returning to families who miss them and care
    Freedom so far unless they all blow
    Please save these poor souls and remember they’re there

    When I started posting the other day, I denoted I had 11 completed redone songs, but I’ve since finished a 12th. I was a little burnt out on carols for a day or two, gee, dunno why. Might complete a couple more too as several are either half or almost done. One needs rhyming work. If the original has lines that rhyme I try to ensure I follow that pattern. Not necessarily with the same rhyme sound, but I try to ensure the same lines have words that rhyme at the end. Then I actually sing along with instrumental versions to ensure the redone words work. I’ve changed some words after I’ve done such ‘test runs’ to ensure the words fit the music. I, uh, probably do
    too much work on these, but I enjoy it and I want to ensure they are singable. But if you wondered about my ‘process’ that’s it.

    • FromPolandWithLove

      Awesome :)!!!

      • Thank you! 🙂

      • NOLAGirl

        Hey FPWL, I saw this and thought of you. So beautiful. 🙂

        https://twitter.com/AstroTerry/status/541013632000073729

        • FromPolandWithLove

          Thank You 🙂 Now I am comparing this foto with maps, trying to figure out which cities are shown:)

        • FromPolandWithLove

          I think I got it. Middle south of Poland Katowice, Kraków, Bielsko Biala Czech Ostrava, and part of Slovakia.

    • Aslansown

      You are too much! Your creativity is amazing. Thank you for these — I’m now looking forward every morning to see what you’ve posted! (It gives me a more enjoyable reason to get up besides going to work!) 🙂

      • Thank you!! Happy to provide some fun! 🙂

        • Aslansown

          I’ve been quite depressed myself — and I’m glad that you and Dodo are doing better. These make me laugh, which is what I need. And I have to tell you — every time I read “Niblet” I really do laugh out loud!

          • i hope you love Sunday’s!!! that on is my favorite and niblet makes an appearance! 😀 i’m still depressed, but at least i’m keeping my mind occupied with mirth and mischief! glad i’m giving you a laugh, laughs are good!!! i’ve been watching past seasons of american dad, beavis and butthead, king of the hill and south park for my laughs!

            • Aslansown

              I’ll need to find some things like that on Netflix and have them on a constant loop!

            • i don’t have netflix—way out of my budget! this the site i found ’em all on http://www.animetoon.tv/cartoon in case netflix doesn’t have a cartoon you’re looking for!

            • Aslansown

              Thanks – I’ve never seen that site before.

            • I found that site while searching for King of the Hill Episodes—which I couldn’t even really find on youtube. Then I saw they had Beavis and Butthead too, which is also hard to find–usually when I’ve found them, the bits of them watching and commenting on videos have been removed and that was sometimes the best part of the show, but these are complete! 🙂 But yeah, they also have American Dad and South Park. I have another SP site, where I watch the episode the day after it airs, and they have extras, etc…. http://southpark-zone.blogspot.com/

            • Stacy

              I’d like to wholeheartedly recommend Rick and Morty on Adult Swim. Awesome cartoon. All episodes available online.

            • i will check it out! thanks!

            • Stacy

              Since you watch Beevis and Butthead and South Park and American Dad, I think you’ll enjoy it.

            • Eclipse-girl

              I LOVE RIck and Morty.
              Mr E found them and told me there will be a season 2.

            • Stacy

              I’m really happy to hear about a season 2. I’m hooked on it.

            • Stacy

              Rick Potion #9 is the best. And with an awesome Mazzy Star song at the end.

          • Robert Eckert

            Good to see you. I’m sinking into the winter gloom as well, just have to remind myself that it never lasts forever.

            • joan nieman

              This is the time of year when we would have more patients come into the hospital for depression related illness than any other time of year. It is a nostalgic season and it triggers a lot of emotions. I believe it is a multi shared emotion, every one different and personal.

            • Stacy

              I remember. Michigan breeds Seasonal Affective Disorder like weeds. Months without the sun.

              Seriously, try one of those sun lamps. Since moving to Florida I never get winter depression any more.

            • Eileen

              So true, I moved from Boston to Ann Arbor MI and about 6 weeks later experienced my first depression
              ! This was before light changes and Vitamin D had been identified as causitive factors. Lamps, walks and Vitamin D supplements for everyone!

            • Aslansown

              I’m sorry you’re sinking too. I hate it. This is the time of year I always dream of moving somewhere warm.

            • Robert Eckert

              I was much better the winters I spent in California, but then I had to move back to Michigan (not finding work in California and my mom needs me to deal with dad)

            • Stacy

              Anytime you feel like unloading. Like I said, my situation with my dad wasn’t quite the same, but I’ve been there (in Michigan too). I imagine a lot of folks here have been in that situation. So anytime Robert.

            • Robert Eckert

              It’s OK for the moment. Tonight our chorus sang some carols in the shopping district to stir up interest for the concerts (this Sunday and next). Singing helps me.

            • Stacy

              Music is wonderful, isn’t it? Whether you’re singing, playing or listening, it’s a wonderful balm for the soul.

            • Aslansown

              I’m sorry — both those circumstances would be enough to be depressed, much less the winter.

            • i-Betty

              @disqus_147JLmPidI:disqus and Robert – are you both taking vitamin D supplements? Extra important in these long, sunless days. Mine usually doesn’t start until January once all the excitement of Christmas is over, but I try to plan a holiday with some sunshine around that time. I’m sorry you’re both feeling down. It WILL end.

    • Stacy

      Lovely. The jingle bells remake is my favorite so far.

      If you end up with 12, that’s perfect for the 12 days of Christmas.

      It’s a wonderful X-mas treat to wake up each morning and know there’s a new CoS spoof carol from you, Miss Tia. Thank you!

      • Thanks Stacy! I have mentioned it, so I’m not giving anything away, but I do have a 12 days of Christmas redone! 😉 Sunday I’m going to post my favorite one. I know I have some unfinished, but even if I finish them, the one I post Sunday will remain my favorite hands down! 😀

        • Stacy

          I can’t wait for Sunday then. Sunday funnies and a Christmas carol spoof!

        • joan nieman

          I love your lyrics Tia.

    • ScientologyDoesNotExist

      Great opening lyric:)

      • Thanks! At the time I thought of it, I did envision a particular bunker icon 😀

    • i-Betty

      A mind fizzing over with creativity 🙂

      • at times, yes it is—usually when i am away from pen and paper!!! 😉

    • Observer

      Please tell me you have “COB Is Coming To Town” one in the works …

      • i have the lyrics to that song written out, but haven’t worked on that song yet…i wrote out lyrics to a lot of christmas songs—leaving lines between verses to pencil in altered lyrics….of course then i started thinking of lines for songs i hadn’t written the lyrics out for, and then had to do that! 🙂 i work better writing things, than typing—i tried to do ’em as a word doc and that just didn’t work…..

        i do have a couple that mention niblet, sunday’s in a quite fun prominent way! if you want to message me on FB or email me, i’ll send you a sneak peek of it! 😀 i’ve shared my lyrics with 2 people beforehand and don’t mind sharing with someone else!

    • aquaclara

      These are so wonderful, Miss Tia. Just wanted to say thank you for sending these our way, to hum and enjoy and chuckle and hope.
      You managed to get a bit of everything in these – reality, snark and sympathy- not an easy feat.

      • thank you aquaclara! glad people are enjoying ’em! i just write what comes to me–then try to ensure it rhymes, fits the music, etc….then i will end up singing it over and over in my head! i had 2pm Thursday stuck in my head for a few days! 😀

        • Stacy

          Yes, I’m not sure I should thank you for yesterday’s song anymore. I’m doing work at home today (it’s a reading day) and I’m literally singing “2pm, 2pm, 2pm Thursday,” over and over and over again.

          Well, as earworms go, it’s a helluva lot better than Achy Breaky Heart.

          • I got another that’s rather earwormy! 😀

    • joan nieman

      Never mind ” Away in a Manger” This is rap and a good one too! I’m rapping it.

      • The only ‘rap’ Christmas song I know is Christmas in Hollis by Run DMC! 😀

    • Volunteer SP

      That’s amazing! Thank-you for sharing.

    • Morning Dodo! 🙂

    • i-Betty

      Glad you’re better 🙂

      • With the little help of my friends 😉 Thank you!
        You? Sending love and chicken soup your way.

        • i-Betty

          Aww 🙂 Worse today but I’m a soldier (wot smells nice and wears great shoes) and I’ve managed to do more today than usual. My body is probably sensing imminent death and is making sure I tidy up my effects in readiness for probate 😀

          • Get some sweet & spicy tofu soup, Betty.
            And may be some chicken wings. And lots of water and rest.
            Thanks for all the tips you gave me when I was going through the hell.
            You know what to do. You will feel better very soon, you wonderful soldier.

            • i-Betty

              Aww, thanks, Mister D 🙂

          • Stacy

            Oh no, did the flu get you too Betty? I hope you feel better soon.

            • i-Betty

              Thanks, Stacy 🙂 It’s not flu (but I will tell the children it is. Tea in bed etc.), just a throat infection.

            • Stacy

              Ugh. Nothing more painful than a sore throat. Feel better.

          • Eclipse-girl

            Take care of yourself.

            I hear on All Things Considered that this flu season has a particularly nasty flu that this years flu vaccine did NOT anticipate.

            • i-Betty

              Thanks, love. You’re like the Bunker nurse, always concerned when people are ill. I’d rather have it now than at Christmas – it’s my year to cook! 🙂

            • Eclipse-girl

              How many people will you be hosting?

            • i-Betty

              Well it could be anything from 6 to 12 but we’re a family of show-offs so each year we have to out-do each other to the point where our fingers bleed and we have no sleep for 5 nights prior 😛 What about you, E-G? Are you at home this Christmas?

            • Eclipse-girl

              This year we are traveling to my brother’s house.
              So I will do whatever is asked of me.

              I havent been to their home for the holidays in over a decade.
              We tried to do something together last year but it didn’t work out.

              We (Mr E and I) will stay in a hotel, our daughter (age 22) can stay with us or with her cousins to try and lessen the stress on my SIL.

              I am sure your party will be spectacular.
              I hope you treat yourself on Boxing Day for such a splendid gathering.

            • i-Betty

              How lovely 🙂 It’s good to be with family (but a treat to combine it with a stay in a hotel!). Boxing Day is always spent at my best friend’s house with all our friends and all our children and all our left-over booze from the day before, and anything goes, even turning up in our pyjamas and snoozing for much of the day.

              You’re going to have a lovely time. I’ve given up on snow…don’t suppose you have any spare sunshine you can send us?

            • Eclipse-girl

              Last year, and it appears to be happening this year, the silly polar vortex is making our area GREY. Just blah and grey.

              You almost wish for the bitter cold because it is usually blue skies during those periods.

              We got hit with snow early, before US Thanksgiving.
              But it wasn’t much.
              We have shirted any and all major storms through the midwest.

    • Edit: Removed my comment since you’ll get angry.

      • I saw your comment. It’s alright. I post all kinds of graphics and will continue to do so.
        Thanks for all you do.

    • Robert Eckert

      Only semi-clammy (book sale, a couple of LRH in there but not mostly):
      http://vancouver.craigslist.ca/rds/bks/4791657203.html

  • Kudos to Steve Cannane for writing a book about Scientology’s history Down Under!
    Can’t wait to see the title and read it (same goes for your book, Tony).
    It feels like early Christmas.

    • More thoughts along:

      We have so far scientology-related books from the United States (more to come), United Kingdom, Germany, Eastern Europe and now Australia.

      Next – Russia, Africa, Asia, Russia, India/Pakistan, Israel and may be Russia.

      • Robert Eckert

        In post-Soviet Russia, Scientology courses take YOU!

    • joan nieman

      I am excited about it too. The more information that gets out there, the better in exposing the lies.

  • My name is Larry Lester

    When Scientology was banned in the East a truck was sent
    from the West to collect all folders. These were trucked out of the state to Western Australia. These were dark times.
    I hope Steve Cannane gets in contact with Eddie and John
    Mace (The Mace Method). They’re a wealth
    of information. There are so many
    others.

  • “The private investigator resigned from the job in disgust and took his story to the press.”

    Dear Private Investigators who are currently working for the tiny sociopath and probably monitoring this site… do yourself a favour and follow this advice.

    (Also slight typo…. Word search blindside and add a d to the end)

    • Tony Ortega

      It’s an infinitive.

      • Yeah, my bad

        • Tony Ortega

          Thanks for the head’s up though. I hate typos and I like to get ’em fixed.

          • Juicer77

            LOL

    • TheMirrorThetan

      I wonder if the short one hires Private Investigators to Investigate the Private Investigators.

  • Graham

    As we are talking about the UK in the 1960s, let’s remember also their attempt to infiltrate the National Association for Mental Health. This charity later morphed into MIND, the well-respected mental health charity which still does good work in the UK. Here’s an extract from the history section of their Wikipedia entry:

    “In 1969, numerous Scientologists joined the NAMH and attempted to ratify as official policy a number of points concerning the treatment of psychiatric patients. When their identity was realised they were expelled from the organisation en masse. The Church of Scientology in 1971 unsuccessfully sued the NAMH over the matter in the High Court, and the case became notable in British charity law.”

  • NOLAGirl

    For those who are interested, Orion made its launch this morning after a delay to repair some valves. So cool. 🙂

    https://twitter.com/NASA/status/540842784727773184

    • ScientologyDoesNotExist

      Bunker is on my monitor on my right, second coffee on my left, Orion launching just on that “other” coast. Went to the front door, camera in hand. Too much fog inland so I have to watch from my TV like the rest of the world. Many who worked on the original Apollo’s are now gone, but they are here with those of us who remember. We have come far in this space frontier. It’s become so common some people even skip watching a launch. I still hold my breath each time. Now we need to launch a probe into the last frontier of the human mind. There are too many back here on earth who can’t breathe at all.

      I’m shooting for the moon on my Christmas wish this year. Instead of spending trillions only on protecting ourselves from sociopaths, I wish a few trillions will be budgeted to find a cure for sociopathy. It is these few, not the majority, among us that make the wars, that cultivate madness, that promote poverty, deny shelter and healthcare, trample education, and yes, that includes cults and scams of the worst kind. Orion is carrying bits and pieces of our history and humanity today, everything from dinosaur bones to Cookie Monster. Hope is good but research is necessary for changing our course.

      We’re now on our way to Mars. If we can’t cure them by the time we get there, at least we’ll have found them a new home. Captain David Miscavige, of course, will be first in line, because he’s just that gosh darn special. I’ll be the first to pitch in for his one way ticket to ride.
      [img]http://i.imgur.com/BEzBGUI.jpg[/img]

      http://www.nasa.gov/content/orion-flight-test-to-carry-mementos-and-inspirational-items/#.VIBnQ3vSlUE

      • NOLAGirl

        It’s become so common some people even skip watching a launch. I still hold my breath each time.

        I hold my breath too. I also still watch every launch that I am able to see. Challenger messed me up though, so like you, I’m breathless until they say all is well.

      • Stacy

        I was going to say I don’t think a cure for psychopathy will ever be found. But then I started thinking about all our advances in the understanding of schizophrenia, Alzheimer’s, depression, etc.

        So maybe we will. If nothing else, maybe it can be determined how much is nature and how much nurture. If there are predisposing genetic traits and what environmental conditions trigger them.

        Maybe with enough research we can get to point where we can eradicate all mental illness.

        Great post SDNE.

        • ScientologyDoesNotExist

          Research as far as I can tell is about where space exploration was during the Wright brothers’ launch. Anything is possible.

          • Robert Eckert

            I think our understanding of the mind is about where space exploration was when Lucian of Samosata wrote the first sci-fi book about a journey to the moon on the backs of a flock of giant geese.

      • Robert Eckert

        The kids today can’t understand what it was like when every rocket launch was an excuse for everyone to skip school or work and spend hours listening to Walter Cronkite try to fill up hours while the countdown was halted for incomprehensible reasons which inarticulate astronauts would try to explain to us:

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyFaHIXqOfc

        • Stacy

          I don’t remember those. I remember some of the stuff in the late 70s. And I still have a very vivid memory of the Space Shuttle Challenger disaster though. Happily there have been so few disasters in NASA’s history, it’s easy to move on (knowing the lost astronauts would want it that way) and thrill at the incredible advancements that have been made.

          I was thrilled to find out that NASA has the mathematical formulae for a warp drive. A FREAKING WARP DRIVE!! They’re experimenting with it on small scale right now. That just makes me tingle all over. But not in an inappropriate way (get your mind out of the gutter!).

          I’m really starting to believe we’re going to see interstellar flight within my lifetime. It’s so exciting! ☺️

    • OT: please check your email…i know you don’t oft check it, that’s why i post these here–i know you know that… 😀 probably uh, couple sneak peeks 😉

    • Eivol Ekdal

      Next stop, Van Allen belt.

      • Sergeant Pepper

        Don’t pick up any hitchhikers.

      • NOLAGirl

        Are you watching the live feed? When I heard them say “Van Allen belt” I literally choked on the coffee I was sipping. I hope Orion clips him if they see him. 🙂

        • joan nieman

          Maybe they will see Hubbard spinning around somewhere out there.

    • chukicita

      Saw this driving the kids to school!

    • rotulette

      Going for a lunch with Xenu and LRH without his body???

    • Bradley Greenwood

      Watched this. I was as excited as when Apollo (and Gemini) rockets took off.
      Launches are special again 🙂 America needs something to be proud of, be-
      sides the “Aporkalypse” breakfast sandwich at Carl’s Jr.
      http://www.brandeating.com/2014/12/carls-jr-tests-aporkalypse-breakfast-sandwich.html#more

  • Stacy

    This is a fascinating document. Historical revisionism is a great way to view LRH’s self-PR bulletins. I bet he’d love to re-write Rhodesia, and Greece, and US, and Germany and France and….

    Mr. Cannane’s book should be a great read.

    • ScientologyDoesNotExist

      Lots of new morsels to chew on. That is rare so it’s a real treat to read.
      We’re gonna need a bigger book shelf.

      If ever there was an all in one summary and headline:

      “LEAD THEM UP THE PATH TO SLAUGHTER”.

      This was Not on my Introduction to scientology course. Can I get a refund?

  • Observer

    You know what’s straight up and vertical, with 47x expansion which continually increases by orders of magnitude? My disgust and contempt for L. Ron Hubbard. I’ve said it before and I’ll probably say it again: I really wish he was still here to see his lies and malignant buffoonery exposed.

    Steve Cannane’s book sounds like it will be a rip-roaring read.

    • ScientologyDoesNotExist

      Right there with ‘ya, Obs.

      • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

        In every federal prison, there should be an empty cell with a desk and pack of kools, just in case he actually does come back.

        • NOLAGirl

          ^^^^This!

        • And a psychiatrist standing by.

          • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

            Nurse Ratched standing by him.

            • ScientologyDoesNotExist

              At least the Jenny Linson’s of scientology will have a job waiting for them that they are fully qualified for when it’s all over. Nurse or prison guard.

            • Stacy

              Eww! The prisoners would riot.

            • joan nieman

              How about a Henchman?

            • What would your mother say, Billy?

        • ScientologyDoesNotExist

          Cracked me up. Something so poetic about it. Tks for hearty chuckle.

        • And of course all prisons will need to be made “Ideal” first for Tub’olard and his bloated bellyful of body thetans. Care to be the first to “move up in status?”

        • Mrs. V.

          This is my favorite comment today.

        • BFM

          OK, we grant him a pack of Kools. But no matches! For that I want him to bend over for Bubba 🙂

    • Hubbard is watching it all from Hell.

    • romanesco

      I understand your sentiment regarding Hubbard, but the important thing is to identify the measures that can be taken to see that this thing stops and is prevented from happening in the future.

    • Minion Gayle

      Personally, I wish he’d blown himself up instead of a small portion of Mexico. Then no one would have had to go through this.

    • BFM

      I hear ya Obs!

  • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

    Cranks like Hubbard are constantly living a history revision in their minds and trying to push it off on the world, and non compliance with Hubbard’s orders was far more routine than complying with them.

    A lot of the history of Scientology was non compliance with crank Hubbard’s harebrained schemes and orders!

    All the failed Hubbard projects, just a massive trail, and thankfully so, since Hubbard was crank and non compliance with crank orders was good.

    Bad was when fanatical staff would execute his hare brained orders.

    Hubbard was a crank deluded ex sci fi pulp writer whose whole soul improvement fake religion practice is placebo at best, and he wastes a huge amount of people’s time and money playing his fantasy operation.

    Modern INCOMM history could be better described in media and books, and Australia has some ex INCOMM staff who know of a whole crazy era to do with INCOMM.

    • Richard Grant

      Chuck, it was such a kick to learn last week that the “INCOMM CENTRAL COMPUTER BANK” lives on and continues — as of November 2014 — to spit out perforated printouts of international mission data. I wonder if the raw numbers are still fed in with punch-cards?

      • Dr_Orpheus

        Did Ron ever mention anything about using them newfangled keyboards to enter data? Sounds like squirrel tech to me.

        • MaxSpaceman

          Ron was working on these newfangled keyboards.

          • Dr_Orpheus

            I guess keyboards are on-Source then. I’m not sure how you could use those keyboard for data entry, though. Do you think the kind with letters on them would be acceptable in the eyes of Ron?

          • What a poseur! I bet the only thing he used his fancy sampling keyboards for was to play fart music.

            • beauty for ashes

              Haa! even his hands give me the creeps!

      • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

        Some of the ex INCOMM programmers, Johan Berlin in particular, give incredible insight into the mentality. I too wrote of much of the history I saw and lived, I was INCOMM staff for a couple years in the middle of my mistaken total dupe staffer Sea Org career.

        Perforated printouts, the backups on the large tapes, I mean we were always 15 years out of date, but since the shift when an Aussie Scientologist named Paul Wilmshurst joined INCOMM, they actually modernized.

        In keeping with this thread, and for FUTURE note, Aussies should take note that one of their own is the top brain in Scientology’s computer organization.

        Paul Wilmshurst!

        Remember that name, someday he will make a stellar defector with all of the modern history, he’s gonna be a good defector someday!

  • Sunny

    It’s funny after being in for so long and hearing Scientology spin on the same stories that get published here. The Australia fiasco was one of them. They told us about Scientology being banned, but made it seem like a good thing: It meant Scientology worked and the SP’s were screaming to stop us (them). To a Scientologist, and a Sea Org member, every single attack to it is spun into a good thing. It makes them think they are winning because the SP’s are screaming.

    • Yeah, “The Signs of Success” marvelous bullshit reference comes to mind. Stupid.

    • shasha40

      Remember , Scientology = Lying liars that lie

    • madame duran

      If the outrage of SPs is indicative of Scientology working (and thus is a good thing), then why don’t we see/hear about it in detail from “success” stories? Why doesn’t the cult create stats, listing every instance of social resistance against Scientology (stuff like the upcoming HBO, BBC documentaries on Scientology, the takedown of cult ads by The Atlantic and SAG, the critical books written by Scieno exes and award-winning authors or the number of non-Scientologist family members being critical of the cult)? Of course, there’s the danger that exposing an itemized list of confirmed public backlash against Scientology wouldn’t support the cult’s shore story that only a “few” apostates are the source of the trouble; the truth would be that the resistance is worldwide and growing rapidly…and there are more EX-Scientologists and those who are “in”. Can’t risk that house of cards from falling down, can we Davey?

    • The Mormon hate cult does the same thing, every time one of their anti-gay, anti-American State iniatives are condemned by the citizens, the Mormon cult screams about how the reaction is all because the Mormon brand of Christianity is “the real one.” They demand that people would not be outraged at their plowing of millions of dollars in to hate campaigns would not happen if they were a “false” religion.

  • FromPolandWithLove

    I cant resist comparison between Karen Henslow, and Lisa McPherson. First one had more luck. I wish I had more info about Henslow case. I will ask Jon Atack when he will show up.

  • Richard Grant

    Seems fitting that a nation with a “convict pass” would be the first to see right through the criminal con games of L Ron Hubbard.

    There’s an interesting historical pattern here, too. In the glare of public scrutiny, Scientology responds destructively — not just toward its critics but also ultimately to itself. Here we see Ron and Mary Sue concocting nasty tricks including the creation of the Guardians Office, and in about 15 years, as a direct consequence, Mary Sue will be off to a US federal penitentiary and Ron will be fleeing into seclusion and insanity for the rest of his life.

    Even today in the cult’s terminal phase, the pattern continues. The Office of Special Affairs, successor to the G.O., and the rabidly fanatical Sea Org continue to rain down misery and punishment wherever they can, but increasingly it falls on Scientologists themselves, not on “enemies” outside the church. In fact the dirty tricks, deceptions, “noisy investigations” and everything else in Hubbard’s smutty playbook now serve mainly to fire up the critics and sharpen the kind of public scrutiny that set the whole cycle in motion half a century ago.

    • ScientologyDoesNotExist

      I have found it remarkably helpful when tripping over the crazy and mind blowing incidents as they are told or unfold if I first check the date and then find that time period on Scientology’s Timeline of Criminal History. It’s been deliberately made nearly impossible to follow the money although Jeff Augustine is heroically extracting bits and pieces for his Money Project.

      So the next best thing is following the crimes. It will instantly solve any mystery and you soon will become an expert on what policy Hubbard would dream up next. I believe it produces what Hubbard promised but could never deliver: A One Shot Clear. Clear of Hubbard admiration and loyalty. Here’s two helpful links – worth a bookmark anyway.

      http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?23840-Criminal-timeline-of-Scientology
      http://www.lermanet.com/scientologyscandals/criminal.htm

      • Richard Grant

        Useful links! Thank you.

      • BFM

        As usual, great links you’ve got SDNE, thanks! I keep learning more details.

      • J. Swift

        SDNE, I consider that there are two parts to the Church of Scientology:

        1. The part you see.

        2. The part you do not see.

        Over at the SMP I am generally focusing upon the part of the Church of Scientology you do not see and the Church does not want you to see. In doing so, I am following the leadership example established by the numerous government agencies, writers, and activists since Dianetics and Scientology began in the 1950’s. Agencies, writers, and activists have worked, and continue to work, to expose the part you don’t see and the Church does not want you to see.

        The Church of Scientology is intrinsically dishonest and has always been intrinsically dishonest. This is why PR is so important to the Church: PR is used to whitewash and conceal what the Church actually is and what it does.

        Tax exemption is vital to the Church of Scientology for it provides a buffer against civil lawsuits and criminal charges. The Church must lose its tax exemption and be forced into accountability for its depraved and bad faith behavior, e.g, its bad faith contracts of adhesion that systemically strip Scientologists of virtually all of their civil rights and Constitutional protections. That is Eric Lieberman, David Schindler, Monique YIngling, and the rest of the morally corrupt and vile attorneys the Church hires to enforce its overarching System of Fascism.

        The Church’s dishonesty is pervasive and is woven into the very structure of everything it says and does. The complete lack of honesty, of lying as a central principle of its own existence, is the defining feature of the Church of Scientology.

        The Church of Scientology has a ruin and that ruin is pathological lying.

        The Church of Scientology is not a religion, has never been a religion, and will never be a religion. The corporate Church of Scientology is fascist transnational capitalist organization masquerading as a religion. This will come to an end and then the Church in its present form will be no more.

        • Anonymous

          The Church of Scientology has a ruin and that ruin is pathological lying.

          YES!!!

        • Lady Squash

          I couldn’t agree with you more about the Church’s ruin. It will catch up with them.

        • scottmercer

          Can the President of the United States revoke the Church’s tax exempt status with an Executive Order?

        • Alex De Valera

          · I agree entirely with you describing the Scientology Organisation as “fascist transnational capitalist organization masquerading as a religion” is perfectly accurate. I call it a “transnational, totalitarian money extortion racket.” It pretended to be “science” but it became a religion to avoid labour laws and taxes. What other tax exempt “charity” as non profit corporations are called in England, would need such “staff contracts”, gag orders, a crowd of 800 dollars/hour attorneys and all the security and private investigators. When you are in a non profit corporation, there is no security, no gag orders, no harassing of any critics and you don’t call extortion by the name of “donation”. If there are critics, you ignore them and keep doing you work or if necessary you question your self and ask “is there anything we have missed? Is there anything we could reform or do better? There are many words that should not ever be related to Scientology and these are : Religion, spirituality, ecclesiastical, scriptures, religious order, faith, enlightenment, self-determination, philosophy, freedom, human rights, generosity, compassion, wisdom, knowledge, greatness, apostate, minister, penitent privilege, confession, excommunication. If any of these words are linked somehow to Scientology, it is the work of corrupt lawyers like Eric Lieberman, David Schindler, Monique Yingling and the work of blind OSA rondroids that in spite of all the contradicting evidence have managed to make the press think of Scientology as a controversial “religion”. Scientology is fascist for various reasons: the first one is the infallibility of the leader, the second one the overwhelming importance of the group crushing all individual aspirations as frivolous and dilettante and the third one, the totalitarian control that the organisation exerts on its members who are most willing to tell all their little secrets the the “KGB-Stasi handler” (sorry, the MAA) thinking that they will be never used against them. On top of that no Scientologist would ever dream that he has been subjected to a mind control program! of course not it is done subtly, with the trs, study tech to divert your attention and keep you looking for words so that you don’t question “source” because of course “source” could not be wrong. It is a gradual indoctrination that eliminates your freedom and transforms it into total compliance with the organisation, and total deification of L. Ron Hubbard. The only thing Hubbard didn’t fail is making millions of dollars and selling people “a piece of sky”. I wonder what he thought when Miscavige withdraw all assistance and went gambling with the whole bunch, while he was unable to speak and dying in the Blue bird motor home in Creston.
          You are right Swift, in Scientology as in Hubbard there has always been 1) what they say: the PR image, acceptable truth or “shore story” and 2) What they are hiding and don’t want you to see because it is rather unacceptable to wogs or exes and of course it would lead to criminal prosecution.

          A de V

        • richelieu jr

          Interesting, Jeffrey, as always–

          In fact, my research has shown that Scientologists a really only allowed to lie two times a day– Day time and Night Time (on Daylight Savings Time, the lies are kept in a moisture-controlled vault until they can be dumped en masse in a television spot, or vomited from the mouth of Karen Pouw, Tommy Davis or any of Davey’s Cut-Outs…

        • PoisonIvyHerself

          Amen, Jeff.

    • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

      Richard, we in the Church of Scientology are the most ethical group on the planet. COB reformed all of the problems caused by a rogue GO agent named Mary Sue Whipp.

    • J. Swift

      Richard, insightful comments on your part that speak to the inherently self destructive nature of the Scientology. In February of 1966 issued a vicious HCOP that called for payback. The phrase “double curve our reply” institutionalized Hubbard’s rage and made ad hominem, spying, and Fair Game a central part of Church doctrine:

      “This is the correct procedure: Spot who is attacking us. Start investigating them promptly for felonies
      or worse using our own professionals, not outside agencies. Double curve our reply by saying we welcome an investigation of them. Start feeding lurid, blood sex crime actual evidence on the attackers to
      the press. Don’t ever tamely submit to an investigation of us. Make it rough, rough on attackers all the way.” – L. Ron Hubbard, Hubbard, Communications Office Policy Letter, 25 February 1966

      • J. Swift

        Add: If things were bad in the UK for Hubbard in 1966, they became worse in 1967 in the US when the Church of Scientology of California had its tax exemption revoked by the IRS.

    • Alex De Valera

      This is one of the most accurate comments I have read. Scientology carries the seeds of its own destruction because it is the alter ego of a very good story teller and sick man who failed utterly.

  • Graham

    What a clear visual metaphor for “pulling it in”: being inundated by, and having your lines of communication cut off by, a river of excrement coloured slurry.

    • stillgrace2

      Mudslides have their own unique, unpleasant stench, too.

  • EnthralledObserver

    There’s something ringing true about Aussies seeing though the BS a little quicker than some… 😉

    • Robert Eckert

      We have a saying in Alcoholics Anonymous “You can’t bullshit a bullshitter” or as my sponsor put it, “Don’t try that line on me, I was using it when you were a pup.”

    • I just hope the book comes out cheap for Kindle.

  • madame duran

    Ugh. LRH is like a fat cockroach spreading fear and disgust all over this planet. To describe him as “skeevy” is an understatement.
    “Tomorrow belongs to us. Inevitably there are bumps in the road.” — Knowing how much the Internet “bump” is wreaking havoc on the Scientology cult on a DAILY basis, this line makes me laugh. The line that makes me sad? “The US is clean operating ground”. Almost 40 years later, in some ways, this still applies in the United States. Hopefully that will change soon (especially within the political and legal areas).
    Re: mudslides in Riverside County
    I’m wondering how it affected the people locked up in the Hole.

    • Tony Ortega

      Who do you think is going to do the clean-up? Heh.

      • Count me in as a Volunteer “SP”.

        • they’ll probably actually find a way to raise money for this!!

          • FromPolandWithLove

            Don’t serve them ideas ;). Off to work, have good time 🙂 Besos:) ( Besos means kisses – sometimes results of my spanish lessons kick in.) And I’m looking forward for next song tomorrow.

          • flyonthewall

            They may not make a mass public appeal to members for donations as they know we would hear about it and it would show they are hurting. Probably more likely to appeal to whales quietly for funds if they do at all.

      • Eivol Ekdal

        Muriel

      • Annabelle

        Ask Mark Headley.

      • ze moo

        With toothbrushes!!!!!

        • Because licking it would take too long.

    • NOLAGirl

      I had a few choice words about Hubbard but you summed them all up nicely with “fat cockroach.” 🙂

  • Ella Raitch

    Onya Steve. Please be e-book friendly.

    “….considered Australia a brutal, backward country incapable of escaping its convict past”

    Hubbard wasn’t the first and won’t be the last resident of the old world to make this assessment. I’m proud to have married into a family that can trace its Australian roots back to the first fleet of convicts to arrive in Western Australia – especially in view of the fact that many transportation sentences were related to politics or social inequality.

    Australian domestic politics seems to be full of demonising the least advantaged in society (this seems a standard of democracy) but the media and public institutions have done well with the Scientology menace. Religion does not ply the same role in public life in Australia as it does in the US (our last prime minister was a declared atheist).

    One thing with Scientology though – it never goes away. It seems to quiet down but you know the moment you think you’re on top of it and look the other way it will spring up again – until it is dead at its core.

    • ScientologyDoesNotExist

      Family tree back there too. Many of those convicts from Ireland were there for stealing a steak. Of course, my family were there for stealing the whole cow. Large families, you see. Hubbard, though, wanted to steal everything and everyone he could get his paws on wherever he landed while on the lam. Insatiable.

    • Stacy

      I think we’ll see a female president in the US before we see an atheist president. Sad but true.

    • Yes! I won’t buy books any more unless they’re out for the Kindle, I have no more room for paper books, alas. 🙂

  • Panopea Abrupta

    For all his bravura and bragging about his “ability” to manipulate the media and control events,
    Lord Hubris the Hapless always had his bluster backed by a clear notion of where the nearest exit was.

    This photo of him leaving Rhodesia in a hurry is one of my favourites.
    The old poser had pretensions but when push comes to shove, he always cuts and runs.

    Pasadena to Florida, with the money and the girl.
    Off to Cuba with his baby.
    Wichita to Phoenix, with the stolen mailing list.
    East Grinstead to the Royal Scotman.
    Morocco, Rhodesia, Corfu, New York,
    ranches in California, apartment buildings in Florida and Hemet.

    Whenever his bluff was called – and he was always bluffing – light out for the hills was the M.O.

    • That “OT” carried big “case”.

      • Mareka Backus James Brousseau

        LOL! That was a good one. I have to say, I love the Scieno jokes the best.

    • ScientologyDoesNotExist
    • rom661

      What a doofus (the Rhodesia picture). OK, both.

    • “…backed by a clear notion of where the nearest exit was…”

      Conmen quickly learn that skill. It’s covered well in the classic novel Huck Finn. 🙂

  • Sejanus

    Cannane’s book sounds like it is going to be really good.
    Looking forward to it.

    Hubbard was a paranoid, angry, deluded, sad little man.
    Evidently those are the key credentials for leadership in the cherch given that Dinky Mallethead meets them nicely.

  • Juicer77

    I hope no one was hurt at Golden Era, and the cleanup isn’t done in such a way as to put more people in danger. What a mess it must be!

    • My guess is it’s now called The Dirty Friggin Hole.

    • The injury one can expect of its dimwitted customers will be had while they do the clean up, not caused by the actual mud slides themselves. Such work should be done by professional contractors but of course the crime syndicate can’t get any who will still do work for them since the syndicate owes everybody money.

  • Jack99

    “Tomorrow belongs to us.”
    L. Ron Hubbard
    Shouldn’t that be…
    Edge of Tomorrow belongs to us?

  • TheMirrorThetan

    Hey not all of us come from convict stock ya know…lots of us are from European stock, Asian stock or Aboriginal.
    I’m a little jealous I cant say Iam from criminal stock 🙂

    • Ella Raitch

      As I said below TMT – I had to marry into it! 10 pound pom myself.

      • TheMirrorThetan

        I come from immigrants fleeing Religious persecution from the Catholic Church.
        I loathe Bullys who cloak their hatred and cruelty and greed under the name of religion.

      • HeatherGraceful

        Me too, Ella. Arrived in Fremantle as a 4 year old.

    • Stacy

      Despite being American instead of Australian, I guess I can lay claim to criminal stock. My grandfather on my father’s side was a bootlegger during Prohibition. Brought liquor over from Canada to New York in the door panels of his car.

      • My great-grandfather has a reward of 500$ on his head in the early 1900s in TX. He even had to decamp to what was then the Oklahoma Territory because of a saddle he had stolen, TX law then had “hot pursuit” laws which meant if you caught someone who stole from you within three days’ horseback riding, you could kill them and take your property back , no questions asked.

        • Stacy

          The Wild West. One of the last frontiers. Glad your great-granddad made a clean getaway.

        • TheQueenofBulgravia

          Well, it’s not like he stole a horse!

        • villagedianne

          Was it down in the West Texas town of El Paso? Did he fall in love with a Mexican girl?

      • Up until the American Revolution put an end to it, various American colonies were the destinations for people sentenced to Transportation from the UK.

        • Stacy

          Of course. Georgia started as a penal colony. And then there was the lovely practice of indentured servitude.

          • Aka Slavery Lite. (Or was that Slavery White?)

            • Stacy

              A little bit of both

        • Robert Eckert

          That was only Georgia.

  • Eivol Ekdal
    • Ella Raitch

      The only other Dufresne I’ve heard of is the character from The Shawshank Redemption. Wish Muriel could emulate this namesake.

    • ScientologyDoesNotExist

      (Hearing this line in Ronald Reagan voice):

      “Mr. Miscavige, Fill Up Those Holes!”

      • Ella Raitch

        Maybe some damaged perimeter fencing – this is my hope to SDNE.

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      Muriel says it was an “outrageous storm” and Cathy Fraser said it was “amazing.” These seem like very bizarre descriptions – sort of as though they are describing it from the outside. It makes me think they are so out of touch with their own emotions that they cannot even say something such as “it is scary.”

  • nottrue

    320 N. Vermount LA …..http://youtu.be/BSP87H5yOWI

    • Sergeant Pepper

      Ah, the classic eye movements of deceit demonstrated.

  • Hubbard didn’t sound the slightest like he had delusions of importance.

    http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h233/RogerRamdrive/HubTomorrow.jpg

    • Observer

      “Inevitably there are bumps in the road. And on my forehead.”

      • madame duran

        I just shrieked from laughter and scared my kitty AGAIN!!

      • “Yes, he was a Klingon, but we don’t discuss it with outsiders.”

        • You have not experienced L Ron Hubbard until you have read him in the original Klingon.

    • Phil McKraken

      I wonder if Hubbard was any more adept with a globe than Inspector Clouseau.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqecdQyTFvM

  • Dale A.

    I followed the link Tony has at the bottom of the screen “Did John Travolta reveal too much about Scientology”, an article written before I was reading this blog, and looked at the “Wanted” flier about Mike Rinder.
    Does the COS know that it is no longer necessary to carve and stamp block on paper in order to transmit information? (It was probably just a style feature, still, the sight of it cracked me up, it seemed so emblematic of the complete mental obsolescence of this group of people.)

    • And I’m Cute, Too

      Speaking of mental obsolescence, this stood out for me from Steve’s write-up:

      By the time Hubbard wrote this memo, it was no rumour that “some lord” was going to ask a question in Parliament about an inquiry. Two days earlier, Lord Balniel…had got up in the House of Commons and asked the Health Minister whether he would initiate an inquiry into Scientology…

      Even then, Hubbard was hopelessly behind the times. 😉

  • Sherbet

    Comment #1: All those years ago, all those doubts, all those investigations, and the diseased organism is still alive and still suckering in and abusing its members and manipulating the governments of the world.

    Comment #2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29Mg6Gfh9Co

  • Ms. B. Haven

    I am sure that after the flood waters recede it will be noted in Advance Magazine that Int. Base has been saved from the hydraulic inundation that was rained down upon the surrounding properties in Riverside County. In fact, I’m sure that just a few of the resident OTs were able to divert any potential damage with a few well placed postulates. This has the possibility of being the most exciting issue of Advance to date. The only trouble is, unlike your average Bunkerite, most scientologists don’t even know about the whereabouts of the Int. Base, or the secretive underground titanium repositories run by CST. In fact, your average scientologist doesn’t even know what CST is or that it even exists.

    So the bottom line is, although the Base was saved, it won’t be reported in Advance. Or, maybe the entire Base will be doing some ‘lowers’ and engaging in a little physical labor to clean things up the wog way.

  • P P

    And in other news…. TC’s OT spider sense fails him

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwkDZT-qvac

    • ScientologyDoesNotExist

      Tom who?

      • Sherbet

        You know; Suri’s father.

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          Tommy Davis?

          • Sherbet

            Whoa, Bury…we don’t know anything about that. //snicker//

          • ROFL! I bet that makes Tommy happy, REAL! happy. 🙂

    • rom661

      It’s possible that I’m imagining things. Likely, even. But it struck me as odd that Cruise almost got hit by the bus (no spidey sense but respectable reaction) exchanged some kind of apparent pleasantry with the bearded guy, then someone comes up and says something to him and he suddenly takes off in a completely different direction. Did he know the speaker? Was he told he’d been filmed? Did he get a directive from DM? Of no meaning whatsoever, I assume, but now you have an idea how my strange little brain works…..

      • Ella Raitch

        I noticed the same. There is a slight discernible audio track with the video and you can just about make out what the bearded guy is saying (at least I imagine someone with the right equipment might be able to get something off it). I feel like the approach of a ‘minder’ was to let him know he was being filmed and that he should get away. Too late! Love, love, love how these videos show the action replay of him jumping daintily back to the curb.

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          ” jumping daintily back to the curb”

          Thank you. I have been trying to figure out how to describe that odd little hop back onto the sidewalk. You nailed it.

          • They didn’t want to imply that he was light in his loafers.

            • Ella Raitch

              Something gave him a little extra lift

          • L. C. Spencer

            All that sofa jumping was really a rehearsal for this big moment that Tom foresaw!

    • This is probably an early ad campaign for the next Mission Impossible film.

      • Robert Eckert

        Mission Impossible: getting across London as a pedestrian.

  • I never met an Aussie I didn’t like except one. After reading this, I realized he was a $cientologist car salesman. I just come here for the “cognitions” – thanks.

    • Ever met David Sonenfild?

      • Did he sell Nissans in North Hollywood? I think that’s him!

    • Sid

      Hey Skip, just a fun side note. We were talking about Fred Harris the other day. I forgot to mention that he was the one who introduced me to Scientology (way back in the late ’60s). First Scientologist I ever met.

      • Condolences. Such a sad “man on a mission.” He seems to have faded away?

        • Sid

          Thanks. Last I saw him was in LA during the ‘Crusades’ in the mid-80s. Not sure what happened to him.

  • nottrue

    ESMB…….Jeff Hawkins exwife reporting on flood

    • Sherbet

      I can’t stop laughing at this, nottrue.

    • flyonthewall

      I see where smurf says she was interviewed but I’m not seeing it in the links he posted or anything about Goldenera specifically

    • Dr_Orpheus

      There is no mud here and anyone who saves otherwise is a bitter lying apostate!

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      They pulled it in.

      • Sherbet

        It’s not mud. It’s the remnants of billions of discarded body thetans, proving once again that the tech works.

        • PRenaud

          phewww the smell…

          • Sherbet

            That’s the sweet smell of Total Freedom.

        • And maybe a few discarded bodies.

    • What’s amusing is that the crime syndicate’s sewage system is also having problems, something the news report didn’t mention. 🙂

      • anoni81b4u

        Even the poop is trying to get out of scientology!

  • chukicita

    I hope someone remembered to unlock the door at the Hole.

  • Anonymous

    Ron, as always, you are such a hero…

    • Observer

      Ugh, the smug self-importance! How could anyone be around him without wanting to wipe that look off his face?

      • Anonymous

        Shoosh…he’s taking notes…

        • Sherbet

          As usual, High Tech Hubbard is ahead of the curve with a quill pen.

          • Anonymous

            Alexander Hamilton gave it to him…personally…

            • And Hubbard later managed to extract it?

      • MaxSpaceman

        [ F5 ]

      • scottishinlondon

        It’s the feather that gets me…what kind of self-important saggy fundament wrote with a quill in the twentieth century?

  • The sunk SUV and the first video in this news report are at the eastern tip of Golden Era golf course, and the properties between Gilman Springs Road and the golf course.
    http://ktla.com/2014/12/04/14-rescued-rescued-after-heavy-rain-prompts-mudslide-in-riverside-county-no-injuries/

    I believe that CoS has been buying up those bordering properties over the years. That trailer park they emptied a few years ago looks like it would have been at Mud-Zero.
    21 trailer park residents evicted for Church of Scientology golf course April 8, 2011, Daily Mail

    • Science Doc

      The SUV earned a photo in the print edition of the LA Times today.

  • Guest ,

    Sometimes LRH reads like the dark rituals he performed behind closed doors with Jack Parsons. His “private” rituals spill in to his “public” actions.

  • Oooooh . . . delicious!! I just love it when attention is paid to the Anderson Report. It is, IMO, essential reading in that it is unbelievable just how prescient the findings of that report were. The very first paragraph in the prefatory note explains what the remaining findings spell out in detail . . .

    There are some features of scientology which are so ludicrous that there may be a tendency to regard scientology as silly and its practitioners as harmless cranks. To do so would be gravely to misunderstand the tenor of the Board’s conclusions. This Report should be read, it is submitted, with these prefatory observations constantly in mind. Scientology is evil; its techniques evil; its practice a serious threat to the community, medically, morally and socially; and its adherents sadly deluded and often mentally ill . . .

    . . . shame on wog justice authorities, elected representatives, and MSM repeaters for allowing Scientology to effectively disappear this report from the record. Those who forget the lessons of history, and all that. Still, Steve Cannane is a among the rare exceptions to be found working within the constraints of the modern MSM. I look forward to his book with quivering anticipation.

    Meanwhile, back at Int Base . . .

    • MaxSpaceman

      1 of those lessons from history, Visti.

  • Panopea Abrupta

    In breaking news, David Miscavige, the Punching Pontiff and
    Lord High Administrator of Ecclesiastical Beatings
    for the Fastest Shrinking Chult in this sector of the guh-LAX-eee,
    announced that, following recent torrential rains at Golden Era Productions,
    the new Ideal OT level, OT XXXXVII, the Wall of Mud, will be released soon.

    Ideal Shovels, Ideal Backhoes and Ideal Pickaxes are available already.
    Bridging loans at the reasonable rate of 47% APR are available for
    parishioners who wish to experience the “controlled panic” environment
    at Gilman Hot Springs.

    • Hopefully there won’t be any further deaths due to untrained people operating heavy equipment on the Sea Org’s round-the-clock schedule.

  • Ella Raitch

    Posted this early this morning on yesterday’s piece but for further dissemination…

    From Roslyn Cohn at SPs ‘r’ Us facebook group:

    OK, so I am still at 15% and now Chita is at 24%. Friends, I honestly don’t think she’s even looking at this. You know what is happening? The Cult is stacking votes so I don’t win. Pretty dang sure that’s what’s going on. PLEASE SPREAD THE WORD AND VOTE ROSLYN COHN BEST FEMALE CABARET ARTIST. Now the true fight is going to be between Scion and Us. I’m not being paranoid. We know how they roll. Please share the voting page with my category. As I have said, this is not about me, it’s about getting in top position and claiming victory over their evil.

    For voting:

    http://www.broadwayworld.com/los-angeles/vote2014region.cfm

    • Bob

      I voted. Pretty easy. And you can cycle through the categories if you just want to vote for Roslyn. With the hundreds of commenters we could tip this over so Roslyn can win! Would be a wonderful coup.

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      Thanks, I just voted too.

    • Frodis73

      Thanks for the reminder; I kept putting it off because we had to go through all the categories. I’m sure the church is trying to manipulate the vote in some fashion. We can’t let that happen.

    • BFM

      Done! (Took a couple of minutes, but being a red-exer the “next” button was peanuts)

  • Anonymous

    “The US is clean operating ground”…said the serial con artist as he fled yet another place where his scam had been figured out and exposed…

    • Texas
      Oklahoma

      David is also running out of States where he’s allowed to step foot in. 🙂

      • Anonymous

        Or that he can claim he’s never been to…

  • ze moo

    Lrooon tried to show his minions that he was in total control and the high lord and master of everything. So the Australian fiasco was someone else’s fault. The guru never takes blame, only praise. His ‘strike them before they strike us’ campaign didn’t work so well in the UK and it took a long time for Australia to ‘unban’ $cientology.

    When several years have past and the old KCET studio is an ‘ideal dissemination mOrg’ {after many years of fund raising} the Hemet Golden Era facility will be destroyed by a mud slide. A slide that will conveniently cost an insurance company a huge payout and Xenu alone knows how many lives. Will any in the ‘hole’ escape? Not if Davy has anything to say about.

    This pic is from the tv story on yesterday’s mudslide. Note the famous Golden Era fence, you can’t much else of the clam property in the story. Refresh…

  • Observer

    OT but weirdly ties into the Aussie theme: I had a Bunker dream last night in which I went to visit Captain Howdy, and when I got there I found he was an Australian Aborigine. Also, he cleared a blocked toilet using explosives.

    • Ella Raitch

      speechless….

      • Observer

        My dreams are all like that. Never mundane.

        • Ella Raitch

          The source of your shoop mastery is getting clearer…

    • Science Doc

      What’s wrong with the last part?

      • Observer

        The aftermath, a description of which I will spare you. Dream Howdy thought it was hysterical.

    • Sherbet

      You visited Captain Howdy and not me? You know we’re practically neighbors. (Disclaimer: I do NOT know where Howdy lives.)

      • Observer

        if Howdy was an Aborigine, Xenu only knows what you’d have turned out to be. It’s better this way.

        • Sherbet

          Maybe Kiri Te Kanawa. Or Nick Xenophon. It’s all good.

      • Jimmy3

        He lives in dreams, just like Freddy Krueger. Obviously.

    • ScientologyDoesNotExist

      And I thought my RPF Revisited trigger dreams were weird and scary. Howdy is The Toilet Repairman?

      • joan nieman

        He’s a Jack of all trades.

    • I woke up from a Bunker dream at 5:06am. (Never eat mixed nuts just before bed.) Tony had just posted an update, but the details are foggy now. This means something. This is important.

      • Observer

        If my dreams actually meant anything we’d all be screwed.

  • Vaquera

    “2. First, it isn’t anything to worry about.”
    Just sayin’.

  • carpe canem

    Point 6 above:

    If we are ever so involved again we demand one or all mental healing activities including psychiatry and demand it loudly. And lead them up the path to slaughter.

    So says every ex-member in every Recovery from Scientology org (sorry)? Who would like nothing more than to lead Scientology up the path to slaughter? OK, maybe “slaughter” is a bit hysterical and hyperbolic. Is “annihilate” a better word?

    (Lol… Hysterical Davis. Hyperbolic Cruise.)

  • Science Doc

    I think Scientology should merge with Radio Shack. They could cut costs using Sea Org labor and solve their branding problem by putting Golden Age of Tech on all of their packaging. Billion year warranties on everything. I’m sure that people are just waiting for Ideal Radio Shacks before they once again invest heavily in gold plated speaker cables.

    • I thought Radio Shack was a cult. Why else would they ask for your name, address and phone number when you’re paying cash for a bunch of resistors?

      • Science Doc

        Because resistance is futile?

        • Currently, there are no Radio Shacks in Canada. The chain is now called .. The Source! (Dun-dun-DUN!)

          • ScientologyDoesNotExist

            Like scientology, Radio Shack Does Not Exist!

            Oh sure, you might see a sign out front, there may be a faux shell of it’s former self, but have you ever tried to get service in one? Are there any staff inside or just a disembodied voice coming from those video screens to welcome you as you enter? Do they demand to get your name, know where you live, phone, social, preferences, lifestyle before they let you in? If there’s a product on the shelf, was it made before 1960? Is it overpriced by 47X?

            I rest my case, Your Honor.

        • HeatherGraceful

          Ohm. My. God.

      • carpe canem

        Maybe they just want to take you out on a date? Maybe this is their pick-up line?

        • I must have been very attractive to pimply teenage guys then.

      • Bob

        I like Radio Shack. Lots of accessories and not overwhelmed by acres of aisles like Frys.
        Plus radio shack never asked me for donations. As far as Ideal Orgs are concerned they don’t even sell HDMI cables.

      • LOL! Heathkit stores really were cults. We had club meetings, purchased kits in groups, worked with the technical people who were hired by the stores, even had Heathkit newsletters and BBS boards that we talked on. 🙂

        Radio Shclack never had any of that buzz.

    • Sid

      I remember the days when Radio Shack was owned by Tandy Leather company. It was back in my hippie days in the ’60s when I did some leather work. Seemed like an odd mix for them to have an electronics store as well.

      • Sherbet

        IIRC, they were selling computers under the name Tandy to get away from the image of home hobbyists and people needing batteries.

        • Sid

          That’s right. I forgot about that. There was the Tandy Computer. I even had one at one time. The Tandy TRS-80.

          • Sherbet

            Yes, TRS, from Tandy Radio Shack. I worked for a big corporation at the time, and I remember we got a big sales pitch and demonstration from Tandy, er, Radio Shack. We didn’t buy them. We hitched our wagon to yet another technological star: Lanier.

          • Robert Eckert

            We called it the “Trash 80”

    • Jo

      Billion year warranties, funny 🙂

    • PRenaud

      I was going to buy a set of earphones a few years back $19.95 and they wanted to sell me a warranty, I decided not to buy them thinking there’s gotta be something wrong with these so I said “no thanks and you can keep your earphones, I don’t trust them.”

  • Mrs. V.

    The viciousness of Hubbard and his cronies angers me. I just don’t get it, and I need to stop asking why, because I don’t think I’ll ever truly know the answer. Even if he was still alive, he’d never answer truthfully and who knows if he really ever understood it either. For whatever reason, when it comes to other fundamentalist organizations, I don’t feel the need to even ask. I am able to just say, “hey, they’re horrible and need to be stopped”. But for some reason, I want to go back in time, grab that big, disgusting, vomitous, mass by the collar and scream “WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU??!!! SERIOUSLY, WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO DO THIS TO OTHER PEOPLE?” And to the smaller, yet no less disgusting vomitous mass currently in power, I want to scream “THE BODY YOU ARE USING IS WASTED BECAUSE YOUR SOUL IS SO EVIL! NO MATTER WHAT YOU TELL YOURSELF, WHAT YOU ARE DOING IS NOT OK! EVER!” while pinning him to the floor.

    To all of you who are still in and lurking, please, please wake up and see what is really going on here.
    Your good intentions are misguided and you are being used by a sociopath. The only reason for your
    organization is to make one dude feel good about himself and make him wealthy. Life outside scientology is hard. Life is hard everywhere, but it’s better than what you’re experiencing now. Your families miss you. There’s beauty and love and kindness outside of your organization. There are people who will welcome you with open arms. It will be ok, I promise.

    • ze moo

      +5 for the “vomitous, mass” comment. Princess Bride rules….

      • Mrs. V.

        My favorite!

    • Sherbet

      “The only reason for your organization is to make one dude feel good about himself and make him wealthy.” A million upvotes for that sentence alone.

      • Mrs. V.

        Thanks.

    • He did it because he was profoundly insane, because of the drugs and alcohol, and because of the ease of stealing money from gullible people.

      • Mrs. V.

        I understand that, but it wasn’t really my point (and I didn’t really explain my point very well). My problem is that reason isn’t good enough for me. So he was crazy, wasted and a crook, and for some reason, that doesn’t explain it so that I can understand it. I am fully aware that this is my problem and I just need to let it go. He was a crazy, wasted, crook. The End. I’ll just keep repeating that to myself until I’m over it :).

        • Draco

          I understand your frustration. You can’t really get it, because you are not like either of them, so it is impossible to get into their head space. Thank God people like them are in the minority. I also get so mad sometimes I want to scream. Hugs Mrs. V.

          • Mrs. V.

            Hugs back Draco.

          • Observer

            And that’s why I shoop.

            • Sherbet

              She shoops to conquer.

        • beauty for ashes

          i don’t see it as a problem at all. it sounds like a healthy reaction! sometimes real genuine anger is hard for us ladies to bear . we are more likely to turn it inward, which turns to depression.

          its okay to be angry, you didn’t hurt or scare anyone with your anger, and you are not angry over something trivial!

          i say let it out! print out a picture of LRon and Davey and scribble all over it! rip it up ! then burn it!
          and then breathe…..

          (just a little something i learned in art therapy, but feel free to do or not do anything you want about it.)

          • Mrs. V.

            Thanks. It’s just sometimes I feel like a 3 year-old: “Why? Why? Why? Why?”

            • Baby

              Anger is healthy.. Getting P*ssed starts activity.. Putting Verbs and action into play.

              Pity keeps you stagnant and stops your progress.. LET IT ALL OUT V.. Hate this evil man for everything he created and destroyed along the way!

              And that my dear friend is why we are here! Yep!

            • Mrs. V.

              Hi Baby! Thanks for responding and for your kind words.

              I’ve commented here and there on this blog and at The Village Voice over the years, but I don’t think that you and I have commented directly to each other. At any rate, most of my posts are either one or two sentence snarks, or me just spouting angriness and sounding like a lunatic “SCIENTOLOGY, L RON HUBBARD, DAVID MISCAVIGE BAD”. Today however, I took the time to type my thoughts on a Word Document and then edit appropriately due to a slow work day :). And I’m doing the same thing now now that I’ve had several glasses of wine because it’s Friday :).

              I will admit that I don’t like hating anyone, or feeling so much anger toward a person or organization, but I don’t feel guilty for being angry and hateful when it comes to Hubbard, Miscavige and/or Scientology. I preach to my family and friends at least once a week. I’ve loaned them books and I explained to my brother just this past Thanksgiving that I have not watched The Simpsons in years and will not ever again unless Her Royal Governess (blech) changes her philosophy (he had no idea about her and I think I made a difference. Yay!). My issue with myself is only that I am unable to leave it at “Hubbard was an evil crook, and now Miscavige is an evil crook , following in his idol’s footsteps”. I have a business degree, I have no experience with Psychology (except for the therapy that was given to me) or any other type of therapy, but I feel this strange need to understand “the why” with these guys. Whereas with other fundamentalists I am able to leave it at “their logic is faulty and their reasons are wrong” I am at a loss with Hubbard. That explanation is not satisfactory and I want to know specifics. But I need to let that part go and just chalk
              it up to “They’re evil. Period, point blank. End of story”. I (we?) will never know his reasons beyond “I-am-insecure-and-I-need-people-to-worship-me-I-can-fix-me-and-everyone-else”. It just doesn’t make sense to me. But I need to let it not make sense. It doesn’t have to make sense. I don’t need to understand everything about
              our foe, I just need to accept that he/they are not good people. Do I make any sense?

              **at the risk of sounding stalker-like, I have read your comments here and at Mike’s and Marty’s blogs and you are one of the sweetest and kindest people I have seen. I make comments here because I know The Bunker is sympathetic to an angry, skeptical Never-In, but I never comment at Mike’s or Marty’s for fear of alienating those who still adhere to L. Ron’s teachings. I cannot compose a comment
              that does not reek of “You’re wrong” without empathy, and I admire that you
              are able to find that beautiful balance between the two.

              Have a good night, my friend!

            • Baby

              V.. I am just feeling so uplifted after your long comment to me.. You are right we haven’t had a talk. I will have a sip of diet coke and relax for a minute. I was off lurking again..ha

              You know I can HATE all that you speak about. When I went to Marty’s to post.. or even sometimes when I post at Mike’s ..I’m always conscience of my audience. I posted at Mike’s more than once and didn’t get past the moderator.

              I lurked at Marty’s blog for years.. and never said a word because I was seething and wanted to see what was going on in the world of indies..

              Marty changed his position on Hubbard and Scn. and so I just jumped in with both feet and he warned me not to be so critical and that it may backfire.

              I think he was silently agreeing with me, but wanted me to tone it down a notch because of those indies..or those fragile because of what they have been through.

              So I decided that I could express my rage through more thought out responses. Validating those I agree with and presenting another side ( A critic’s side) to those who really did NOT know or wasn’t processing information given to them.

              That was so hard for me. I weighed my words, but knew that maybe some on the fence lurking or on the blog may just listen.

              I don’t weigh my words here. I’m NOT phoney over other sites..I’m just very deliberate in choosing my words carefully so the message can get through to them.

              Yes.. You make a lot of sense. What makes monsters is a very complex issue. Greed, Power, narcissism .. mixed with sociopathic/ and psychological profile are great factors.

              Hubbard Lied to make himself important. He created a systematic drilling process so that those beneath him could bend at his will. Miscavige just took over and amped it up.

              Both were / are very cruel men. Evil men. It is not necessary to know the whys and hows they were made. Just keep on fighting like you are.

              You can’t imagine how your words have made me feel. I needed them tonight. See we just don’t know what our words can do to make an impact on others. I am glad that you took the time to tell me. I will never forget it…and when I see your avi I will know that you are a comrade in this fight.. my friend.

              Again..Thank you V.. Love Baby

              PS.. and then Marty wanted all of us to find the Middle Ground and I told him emphatically.. ” THERE IS NO MIDDLE GROUND FOR ME.. and there never will be. Ever!

            • Mrs. V.

              I lift my wine to your coke and toast you! “NO MIDDLE GROUND” indeed. I hear you,and raised my imaginary sword. We will fight! We WILL NOT BE IGNORED!
              Hugs and kisses my friend.

            • Baby

              Sword and coke up! Dog and baby together..Hugs and kisses to you my friend!

              Night sweetie pie.. What a night, huh? I am so glad that you are posting more often V.. Yay

        • Stacy

          You explained your point very well. Sometimes all the answers in the world aren’t good enough. The rage burns on. Nothing will ever be a good enough explanation. I think we all have these feelings about some situation or other.

          • Peter

            I once did a graduation talk at a mission on the subject of insanity. The closing line was “The only way to fully understand insanity is to go insane yourself.” We try to figure out “why” in order to make sense of something which will never make sense. Frustrating, to the max! 🙂

            • Mrs. V.

              “We try to figure out “‘why” in order to make sense of something which will never make sense”. My point exactly! Thank you for understanding my conundrum.

        • Cosmo Pidgeon

          No..Mrs V …It’s more than that…..but letting go is good while you figure it out……I like time with my dog..watching a sunset , listening to my wife breathe while we sleep, and watching my children follow their dreams… be patient.

          • Mrs. V.

            It will happen for me, Cosmo! You have wonderful advice!

      • Cosmo Pidgeon

        It’s a lot like politics without the Nazi fanaticism. Teach your children to be aware, question authority and trust in their inner voice ..and question their elders as to why they think the way they do. Don’t ignore them. Sometimes it’s truth , sometimes it’s fear….What matters is if they love you..or at least care… if they do then the intentions are good. You can figure out the language later.

  • Dr_Orpheus

    L Ron Hubbard never conducted business in Australia and couldn’t even find Australia on a map!

    • ze moo

      That was in spike of being thrown out of Australia in 1942.

      • Draco

        Gasp! What do you mean – thrown out? He single-handedly saved the entire Australian continent from the invading hordes! With ONE machine gun! That’s gratitude for you…bunch of convicts!

        • ze moo

          One of my ancestors deserted from the British Army when it pulled out of NYC in 1783. I count such ‘convicts’ as family. With the 60 Minutes in Australia press crew and Nick Xenophon , the Aussies have done themselves proud.

          • Draco

            I agree ze moo. I fell in love with Australia as a child when I read books based in Aus. Being a South African, I always get strange looks when I say I like Australians – it’s the cricket and rugby thing – supposed to be mortal enemies! Those “convicts” had some good genes!

    • HeatherGraceful

      There was that Melbourne Congress in 1959. I expect business was pretty good for LRH back then in Oz.

      • Dr_Orpheus

        Hubris didn’t conduct any business during that trip anymore than His Oiliness conducted business in Oklahoma when he attended the opening of Narconon Arrowhead or conducted business in Texas when he attended the opening of the Dallas Ideal Org!

  • RIP Lisa McPherson (February 10, 1959 – December 5, 1995) We do not forget.

    • ScientologyDoesNotExist
      • Michael Leonard Tilse

        Rest In Peace Lisa.

      • And I’m Cute, Too

        RIP Lisa.

      • Mrs. V.

        We will not forget.

    • Stacy

      Thank you for this reminder.

      For Lisa McPherson, and all the others, let’s hope 2015 is the end of CoS.

    • romanesco

      Nor do we forgive.

    • thetastic

      You will never be forgotten.

    • Cosmo Pidgeon

      She was a beautiful young girl…..and I’m so sorry.

  • And I’m Cute, Too

    Looks like Steve Cannane is putting a lot of work into this. I have a feeling it’ll be a great book.

    Praying for those affected by the mudslides. It might be vain to hope that the prisoners at Int Base aren’t made to suffer because of a natural disaster. But if they are, I hope it’ll be the push they need to follow Marc Headley and blow for good.

    • Todd Tomorrow

      I was hoping it made it easier to crawl over the ultra barrier.

  • I’m releasing OT X right here, right now. I’m tired of the world having to wait.

    OT X (first line) – Truth Revealed – It was all bullshit! I made it up!

    (Process) – Man up – even if you’re a woman or don’t know what you are – life’s tough!

    (Cognition) – Ron was a total jackass!

    I hope that makes everyone feel better.

  • nottrue

    Smart Kids……

    • BFM

      Now, what kind of picture would give those kids that facial expression? — shoopers?

      • Sherbet

        (1) The boy in front just read what Ron said about Asians, or
        (2) There’s a centerfold in the book…and it’s Ron.

  • MaxSpaceman

    After Oz uncovered Hubbard as a menace to society, as Steve’s analysis describes, English newspapers began publishing articles, alerting British Govt. Ministries. From A&E program on Youtube.

    • Sherbet

      And it still didn’t end. That’s the maddening thing about scientology. It’s a snake that has had its head cut off repeatedly, and it just grows another and keeps on slithering.

      • 3feetback-of-COS

        Scientology is a constellation of lies.

      • Observer

        It seems these days that the new heads are getting cut off faster, before they can fully regrow.

        • Sherbet

          Very true, Observer. There’s some reason for optimism lately.

        • Remember: When you cut the heads off, you have to burn the stumps with fire, or sarcasm.

        • Draco

          Every time the old head gets cut off, the new one appears as an older and sicker version of the old one. Attempts at plastic surgery, hair colouring and blow waving into a bouffant style have not been a roaring success.

      • The power of money lifted from gullible people. Astrology never died out, Tarot cards are still believe in, Chemtrails, magnet motors, HHO run your car on water, the list of dimbulb fraud notions never ends.

        • Sherbet

          I know, and, alas, I, too, believe in some weird stuff. But it doesn’t cost me anything, and I can still function in the real world with reasonable sanity, intelligence, and humor.

  • Added Karen Henslow‎ to Category:Mental breakdown.

    I do think that Scientology has an awful lot of these, but they’re harder to track than deaths because they’re usually not as final and due to the stigma of mental illness. They get hushed up within Scientology or dumped on relatives or the street outside Scientology. I watch for them lurking in the accounts from exes. There’s frequently a passing mention of someone “went PTS” and they never saw them again. 🙁

    • Observer

      Ron was the ultimate PTS. It’s a pity he didn’t disappear.

    • Carl Sagan in “Pale Blue Dot” noted that Hubbard had created written procedures for making people insane. Scientology’s highly debilitative practices make people with mental difficulties worse. Much worse.

      • In the first farking year of Dianetics, Dr Winter noted that people had had to be institutionalized.

    • Ella Raitch

      You have a treasure trove there, my friend.

    • FromPolandWithLove

      Especially higher OT levels ( thanks to soloNOT for example) seem to be in danger of mental breakdowns. And Introspection Rundowns , only make things WORSE.

    • Baby

      Thank you RM.. I just bookmarked this site. Very valuable information. I continue to HATE this cult. HATE

  • Science Doc

    The title of the next Bond film has been announced. Specter. I guess Smersch was too much to ask for.

    • MaxSpaceman

      “He (Ron) issued a bizarre order to the Sea Org, called “Zones of Action,” which outlined his plans. Scientology was going to take over those areas controlled by Smersh (the fictitious evil organization fought by the equally fictitious James Bond), rake in enormous amounts of cash, clean up psychotherapy, infiltrate and reorganize every minority group, and befriend the worst enemies of the Western nations. Hubbard’s stated intention was to undermine a supposed Fascist conspiracy to rule the world.” — http://www.xenu.net/archive/so/

      • Naturally I tag that: Category:SMERSH

      • Frodis73

        The crazy just keeps getting more crazy. And evil.

      • BFM

        Pretty much so, the Hubs didn’t want to eradicate psychotherapy/psychiatry because he thought they were evil. He just wanted to rake in their cash.

  • Panopea Abrupta

    Red-X Red-X Red-X

    They’ve been busy – 220 ads in the last 2 days.
    All the better to flood ’em with a mud-slide of Red-Xs.
    (non-clam Boston Local English Teachers)

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-Kvg78kCcvo5gL7UfPcmhmbsagTNtdj0y2LAiHVFrCU/pubhtml#

    This is why:
    ty Sunny

  • On the plus side, LOL @ the mudslide. On the downside, I’m sure they have insurance to cover it.

    • Jimmy3

      If the damage was limited to the road, the city or county would pay for it, I imagine. I haven’t seen anyone say if anything happened to the base itself.

      • Well then it’s not funny at all. It’s only funny if the Scientology property was damaged anything beyond that is not funny.

      • Science Doc

        That mud on the road got there by crossing part of the base. I bet part of the place is trashed badly and they don’t want to talk about it.

    • Kim O’Brien

      sold to them my that Acunto guy i hope LOL

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      I think at least some impacted the base. One of our commenters (can’t remember who) said that they saw a SO on the news saying it was controlled chaos but they had prepared for it…

      • Ella Raitch

        The SO was Jeff Hawkins ex.

    • This is all Miscavige’s cunning plan. He did want that road closed.

      • Jimmy3

        To keep people out or to keep people in? Or is it for sledding?

        • He probably didn’t like the road running through the middle of the base which made it easier to escape or for protestors. I imagine the tunnels under the road are a mess right now.

          • Missionary Kid

            He can’t close the road because it’s been a thoroughfare for much longer than Co$ has existed, and, while it’s not as busy as highway 79, it’s still too busy to close.

            • Last I heard, the county was planning on widening it, and CoS was going to have to shift their encroachments.

        • Observer

          To keep the bears out.

          • Jimmy3

            What is this? Chewy diabetes in a box?
            http://www.candy.com/assets/images/assets/C107792.jpg

            • Observer

              Not for me! Blech.

            • kemist

              Ok, that’s weird.

              OTOH, chocolate-covered fruit chews are traditionnal polish sweets.

            • Jimmy3

              I’m not Polish, but I’ll go to town on a tray of kolaches.

            • Science Doc

              Those are chezch.

            • Jimmy3

              I know, that’s why I said I’m not Polish. I’m Czech.

            • Frank Lee

              Did you hear the one about the Czech, the Pollock, and the Aggie who went hunting in Montana. They were attacked by two bears, and one poor bloke was eaten alive. The other two ran for help at the ranger’s station. The ranger insisted they help track the bears, then asked them to identify the one who ate their friend. They thought it was the female, so she was killed and cut open where the ranger found no human remains. Want to know the moral of the story? The Czeck’s in the male!

            • Jimmy3

              That’s a long way to go for a pun. That joke could use some Polishing.

            • Sherbet

              (What’s an Aggie?)

            • Vaquera

              Sincerely?

            • Sherbet

              I had no idea. I thought it was supposed to be a nationality to go with the Polish and Czech hunters.

            • Vaquera

              Gig ’em Aggies!

            • Vaquera

              Someone who attends or is an alumnus of Texas A&M University. Aggie jokes = Polish jokes. (Refresh)

            • Vaquera

              Sorry that pic is so huge!

            • Jimmy3

              Gig ’em, Johnny! Just kidding, sit your ass back down.

            • Vaquera

              Ha! He was throwing some ropes last Sunday.

            • Jimmy3

              Yeah he did. 8 plays 80 yards in a few minutes. He looked good.

            • Cosmo Pidgeon

              Ba da boom

  • Kim O’Brien

    It’s Friday ….nice day here in Denver and I wanna play hookie ( no ….not hooker ) I wish you guys lived here !

  • You can find many of Martin’s documents at the The Martin Ottmann Documents Web Site, by the way. This is at Reconnect.Org which, amusingly, is a domain name which companies have attempted to purchase from me multiple times at stupidly low prices so the archives remain up. 🙂

  • Obviously we could have had a ball and put psychiatry on trial for murder, mercy killing, sterilization, torture, and sex practices and could have wiped ou[t] psychiatry’s good name.

    Oh yes. Quite. Obviously. Sure. 🙂

    • Observer

      Sounds like he’s describing Scientology.

  • George Hyland

    Awww, it is not signed by anyone.

  • George Hyland
    • ze moo

      Should we set up a fund to get that bus driver some physical therapy, so that his leg can hit the accelerator pedal harder?

  • Science Doc

    Dan Sherman is writing speeches for NASA now,

    “America has driven a golden spike as it crosses a bridge into the future,” a NASA announcer said as the capsule bobbed on the ocean’s surface during the agency’s TV broadcast of the event.

    • Tony Ortega

      “Moreover, and to put a fine point on it, America has driven a golden spike as it crosses a bridge into the future world of all worlds possible.”

      There, I Shermanized it.

      • Jimmy3

        That’s at least 4 shots in the Miscavige Speech drinking game. All in one sentence.

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        As point of fact, you certainly did.

      • ScientologyDoesNotExist

        Scary.

        • Draco

          And notwithstanding the nay-sayers, the Golden Age of Science at NASA will cause exponential growth in the infinite field of space travel, resulting in unknown frontiers being breached at an unprecedented level never heretofore seen on earth!

          • Sherbet

            And THAT…my friends, is how WE…launch a rocket.

  • Draco

    “There was flooding on the nearby Golden Era Golf Course and spokeswoman Muriel Dufresne said there was some flooding at Church of Scientology-owned Golden Era Studios.”
    From: The Press Enterprise

  • Bury_The_Nuts

    “We challenged our best and brightest to continue to lead in space,” Sarafin said. “While this was an unmanned mission, we were all on board Orion.”
    “The agency quickly reported positive results: Not only did the capsule arrive intact, all the parachutes deployed and onboard computers withstood the intense radiation of the Van Allen belts surrounding Earth.”

    So There!!!
    Flubbard told it you it was hot!

  • SS

    “Scientology is evil, its techniques evil; its practice a serious threat to the community, medically, morally and socially.”

    Well, now there’s a nice circa 1963 quote (provided by an Australian board of inquiry) for anyone who believes COB the cause of all Church of Scientology ills. Miscavige was three years old at the time.

    • Jgg2012

      He influenced LRH in a previous life.

    • Cosmo Pidgeon

      Probably torturing small animals in the back yard.

  • Truthiwant

    Many years ago, I went to see a sort of success story speech/event at Padova Org by two Italians who had just returned from Flag and had attested OT7. These were the first OT7s on the planet and it was publicised by the Org as an extremely important evening and something quite mind blowing. Everybody was requested to attend this event and, in fact, I was present that evening.

    Anyway, while one of these OT7s was talking about her successes, a fly kept buzzing around her face and more than once landed on top of her nose and the OT7 lady was continually trying to shoo it off while carrying on with her speech.

    I remember that evening thinking that it was not the sort of thing that should happen to an OT7, because people of that level should have complete control over MEST (Matter, energy, space and time).

    So, today I was thinking, how the f— can a mud landslide happen at Scientology Headquarters? I mean, come on, what sort of control over MEST is that?

    • Draco

      You must have an MU, Truth. OT7 is cause over MEST – Not Lord of the FLIES!

      • Truthiwant

        That reminds me of another funny story.

        I was once doing a check-out during a course, and the course-supervisor asked me the meaning of… wait for it… the meaning of the word ‘Scientology’.

        I had no idea what it meant and had to re-study everything I had ‘learnt’ from the beginning again.

        The irony of this is that, in fact, many Scientologists don’t know the meaning of the word ‘Scientology’!

        • Sid

          When you’re in it’s: Knowing How to Know

          When you’re out it’s: Knowing How to No

          • BFM

            *Chuckle*

          • Missionary Kid

            Sid, I’ve added that to the list of things said about Co$, under the grouped statements list on the bottom. I’ll post it when I get a new location for my lists.

            • Truthiwant

              Why don’t you open a free WordPress account and then you can publish what you want?

              Every time somebody says something witty, just reply to them here and add the link to where you have added it on your WordPress site. In a few days, or at the most, weeks, everybody will know where your site is, particularly if you give it a good title.
              Just saying…

        • Jimmy3

          It means “the study of knowing”, but it actually refers to the study of knowing everything about a sucker’s finances. Income, credit rating, mortgage status, that sort of thing.

          • Robert Eckert

            …and so on, and so forth.

        • Draco

          Now we all know what Scientology really means:
          Scientology is a cult that love-bombs you, takes all your money, destroys your family and friendships and then says you were fired because you done bad stuff! Now please use that in a sentence…
          PS The first word I was asked to define was “why” – set me off on a 3-day word chain ending in quantum physics and stuff like that. Very disconcerting for a first day on course!

          • BFM

            Wasn’t there some German guy who claimed he had coined the word before Flabby cam on the scene?…. I thought I head read that somewhere but I don’t know if that’s correct.

        • valshifter

          the real meaning is knowing how to attract flys

    • Sherbet

      At least you let the doubt take root. How many scientologists simply brush doubt away like, yes, a pesky fly, and never recognize the disparity between what the tech is supposed to produce and what it really does.

    • Sid

      When OT V first came out a rep from Flag came to our Org and said “it was finally the level where you’d be able to fly”. Maybe it was “you’d be able to attract flies”. He just had a misunderstood.

      • Cosmo Pidgeon

        I had a roommate who upon returning from completing OT7 said..”Want to see what an OT7’s ass looks like?…and gave me a moon…..He was a funny guy.

    • BFM

      My first encounter with an OT7 was one that had me gagging (in the most literal sense). I was completely raw meat sitting at a Flag World Tour event in some fancy hotel. The lady (the OT7) sat next to me with a selection slip urging me to go to the Scamatology boat for some course (route to infinity). I felt increasingly uneasy as she spoke to me, she had the worst breath ever. Her mouth stank like a sewer. Sadly I got suckered in the cult regardless of that experience.

      • Truthiwant

        Welcome to The Bunker.
        Here you can talk about your experiences, if you so desire, without getting sec-checked!

        • BFM

          Lol I know… I had to change handles… damn it, it frustrates me that I can’t speak out freely cuz of…. its not handy at the moment.

          E: later I’ll explain, week or two.

          • Sherbet

            Ohhhhhh. Gotcha. 😉

            • BFM

              hehe 🙂

        • 0tessa

          And nothing you say will be used against ye!

          • BFM

            Not by bunkerites /bunkeroo’s. The spies and operatives that lurk here… different story.

      • Dr_Orpheus

        Hubris’s breath was also supposed to stink. That lady’s mouth odor was truly On Source!!!

        • It’s not like he’d ever write an order on the proper use of toothbrushes. No wonder everyone in the Sea Org thinks that they’re for cleaning washrooms!

          • BFM

            He did write on the most ridiculous things, like how to iron a shirt or how to staple the program sheets on a pc-file etc…. but never ever on brushing ones teeth. I guess his dentist-engram wasn’t flat. Or his last space cootie stuck on him was a whole track evil dentist out to hurt him.

          • BFM

            Moderation ate my reply :(.

          • pronoia

            Now that made me laugh!

    • valshifter

      I was thinking about the mud landslide over Gold Base, isn’t that a premonition of something to come.

  • Captain Howdy

    Someday a real rain will come and wash all the cult leader scum from their retreats.

    • 1subgenius

      Thanks Travis.

      • Sherbet

        You talkin’ to him?

    • pronoia

      Your base belongs to mud.

      • And I’m Cute, Too

        And their name IS mud.

  • ScientologyDoesNotExist

    Orion has landed. Overview of parachutes look like peppermints floating down from the sky. Awesomeness.

    http://i.imgur.com/ouQyW0D.jpg

    • Draco

      “It also traveled through Earth’s Van Allen radiation belts that protect the planet from highly-charged particles”
      That must be Elron, trying to get back from target 2…

      • Sherbet

        I think we need Observer’s shoop of Ron jogging on the rings of Saturn, redux.

        • BFM

          Lafatty jogging on those rings would certainly mess up some of the gravitational pull. (not to say that I don’t like that shoop, its hilarious :))

    • Science Doc

      Is Tang the NASA version of koolaide?

  • 0tessa

    Scientology: the war is over. You have lost!

    • Sherbet

      You know something we don’t know, Otessa?

      • 0tessa

        No, not really, but I just know, you know.

    • shasha40

      I’m postulating with you . So it is … Lol 🙂

  • Jgg2012

    Could Australia become the first clear continent (clear of Scientologists, that is)?

    • Jimmy3

      Have Scientologists ever been to Antarctica? It seems that would be clear. But auditing with a frozen e-meter and gloves on the cans would be probably be just as effective as any other auditing.

      • BFM

        Lulz :)!

        ETA: I learned not to call you funny 🙂

        • Sherbet

          This concludes the comedy portion of our broadcast. We now return you to…scientology.

          • BFM

            Apart from their toxic policies, scientology in itself is good comedy.

            • Sherbet

              Comedy gold, Fuzzy.

            • BFM

              😉

      • Science Doc

        Antarctica isn’t a continent. Italy is a continent. Ron was incontinent. Davy is incoherent.

        • Jimmy3

          Antarctica is a continent, as sure as the Cookie Monster promotes childhood diabeetus.

          • Science Doc

            Hey, you’re never too old for childhood diabetes. Ask FDR about infantile polio.

            • Jimmy3

              You must be one of those crazy science doctors. I would like an appointment with you and your prescription pad.

            • Science Doc

              You need all the psych drugs stat!

            • pronoia

              I went to the dr today and got loaded up on free pharm-rep samples. I am ecstatic!

            • Jgg2012

              Antarctica is a continent, it just doesn’t have any scientologists yet. Or, if they are, they don’t know it yet.

          • BFM

            Your brain should be preserved for future study 😀

            • Jimmy3

              Just wait til I’m dead, please.

            • Science Doc

              What good is it if you’re dead?

            • BFM

              hahaha 🙂 you are funny science doc.

            • Jimmy3

              Well at that point, I won’t care that someone is harvesting my brain. And I won’t have to hear any bitching about how they got a dud.

            • Science Doc

              We would return it if it didn’t work.

            • Jimmy3

              Whatever, just remember: Be kind, rewind.

            • Science Doc

              VHS or Beta?

            • Jimmy3

              Fully VHS compatible. I’m insulted you even had to ask.

            • shasha40

              Aren’ t we talking about Scientology ? Laser disc it is !!! 😀

            • Narcissist

              Or Video 2000 ?

            • BFM

              Having stressful days, but I can always count on the bunker for some chuckles.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              We come back!

            • Baby

              DUH ..Yeah

      • Jgg2012

        Plus, there are no squirrels in Antarctica, just penguins.

  • Pierrot

    *** RED X +–+ Reminder ***
    Friday and generally there is some slagging after statsThursday, but today it looks like they have their mind occupied elsewhere. Could it be that the whole seaaargh is needed at gold to clear the mudslide?.
    We have only managed to extract 15 new ads so far today. Take the opportunity to reflag the Last
    4 Days
    list. And check what California brings while I am asleep!
    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-Kvg78kCcvo5gL7UfPcmhmbsagTNtdj0y2LAiHVFrCU/pubhtml
    Ty Dodo and Artist : https://www.flickr.com/photos/120371503@N05/15718591071/in/set-72157642802079293

  • Free Minds, Free Hearts

    I hope this doesn’t seem too OT. It just popped up on my Google news alert for scientology… From the Urban Dictionary, the definition for “Go All Scientology” is

    “To go crazy on somebody- especially if you are going to yell at them loudly. Scientologists believe that they can command things around them by using their voice.

    “Boss: Go yell at that clerk.

    “Employee: I’ll go all Scientology on them.”

    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Go+All+Scientology

    • Sid

      Other definitions we could propose:

      Miscavige the guy: Slap, punch, or otherwise physically assult someone.

      Get all Hubbard on me: Lie, cheat, or swindle someone.

      Sea Org Company: Any employer who pays too low for too much work.

      • Science Doc

        She went to the mall and totally Regged the MasterCard.

        • Sid

          And when she got home she like totally did a Hubbard on her dad, and he almost Miscaviged her on the spot, because that MasterCard was so hard to keep working for a damn Sea Org Company.

      • Baby

        OK.. I think we can have a whole new Lexicon on the Bunker! I gotta think on this..

        My 2D and I are like so in love.. Like I want to just want to go all Tom Cruise on the couch.

        • Baby

          OMG so….I went out to our couch to jump on it and was screaming.. ” I LOVE YOU.. YOU HAVE CHANGED MY LIFE..” ( Just to see what my husband would say..) He said..

          ” I hope your feet are clean.. ” and that was it.. ( hahahhaha)

          ( Think Burns and Allen..)

          • Sid

            You gotta tell your 2D he’s either on board, or he’s not on board. Either you’re on the couch, or your not on the couch. KSW Baby.

            • Baby

              Sid.. He absolutely thinks that we are ALL nuts..hahahha

              We fight Scn.. but don’t get him started on the 2nd Amendment.. For realz .. The right to Bear Arms will make him go all Tom Selleck.. / NRA ..

              ( OOOh Tom Selleck.. ? My husband as Tom Selleck.. ) OK I’ll BBL!

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          My 2D and I are like so inloveaffinity.

          fify

          OR not….my code is suckus

          • Baby

            hahahha.. Oooh. I like it I like it..xo

          • Baby

            Are you talking about you Double Ds or Mr. Nuts?

        • Sid

          I’m like, “poof”, you got it. It’s KSW.

          • Baby

            We are on a roll..

    • BFM

      I hope some Sciloon has to word clear that phrase in some course room.

    • shasha40

      Is that synonymous with going ” Postal ” ??? Just asking ? 🙂

      • Free Minds, Free Hearts

        It seems like it may have replaced “going postal” – Urban dictionary defines it as: “going postal – originally coined from a series of real life shootings in the postal service, it now usually means that someone is about to go nuts or off the deep end. the reason for going postal is usually trivial. also, means person on psychiatric meds that is off their pills. after finding her computer’s wallpaper had been changed again, Jane went postal on her fellow workers.”

        • BFM

          “Going all Scientology on them” has a better ring to it too.

        • HillieOnTheBeach

          I think the difference between “going postal” and “going scientology” implies a difference in intent.

          Whatever the cause, “going postal” implies a psychotic break where the person has no measure of their actions.

          “going scientology” implies deliberate hurtful and harmful actions only because the person engaging in such behavior feels sufficiently empowered to do so without consequence.

          • Free Minds, Free Hearts

            Hillie, good distinction, and what an excellent definition of scientology!

    • Baby

      OT? Hahahah Anything this Good and Crazy is always OT Free.. ALWAYS..

  • Mark

    Tublard’s point 14: oy gevalt. (Refresh):

    • shasha40

      Thanks , Mark , for the nightmares of lrh , Forever !!! Nooo !!!

      • Mark

        Even worse: he’s wearing shorts!

        • shasha40

          No , even worse would be naked !!! Bol !

    • Science Doc

      Morgan gehort zu uns! F5 bitte.

      • Mark

        Don’t you mean “Haben Sie das von den Morgans gehört?” mit Hugh Grant und Sarah Jessica Parker?

        • Science Doc

          I hear Golden Era Studios is filming a remake of Das Leben Der Anderen with an all OSA cast.

          • Sid

            How fitting that would be. OSA = Office of Stasi Affairs.

      • Sid

        Now that is funny.

    • BFM

      “Arbeit macht frei” is known in the cult as “production equals morale”… zum kotzen!

    • Kim O’Brien

      really ?

    • Captain Howdy

      The wonderfully ironic thing about “Tomorrow Belongs to Me” is that neo-Nazis stomp around singing it thinking it’s some old German Nazi folk anthem when in fact it was written by a couple of Jewish guys after the war.

      • Sherbet

        I thought it was written for the play, so I guess that’s what you’re saying.

        • Captain Howdy

          Yes, but the boys in brown & black think it’s the real deal.

          • Sherbet

            It’s sickening that there still are boys in brown and black playing potentially dangerous games about race and nationalism. But I’ll step off the soapbox. Scientology is the target here, not other nasties.

            • Fun factoid: In the movie Casablanca, the Germans sing “Die Wacht am Rhein” because the producers would’ve had to pay royalties to the Nazi party if they used the Horst Wessel song as the writers had originally intended.

            • Robert Eckert

              Fun fact: the Horst Wessel song was plagiarized. The words that originally went with the tune were Wie deine Aug’ / Hat meine Aug’ betroffen / Und wie mein Mund / Hat deinen Mund geküsst… (“How your eye caught mine, and how my mouth kissed yours”

          • I hate [insert place here] Nazis.

            • Mark

              Nazis sind alle bekloppt und verrückt.

  • Vaquera

    O/T: An Instagram movie clip from a Scientology open house in LA. was posted 15 minutes ago.
    “Seventy percent of medical illnesses are caused by the mind.” Uh-huh. Sign me up..
    http://instagram.com/p/wPbW9QDavt/

    • BFM

      The background was pretty desolate for an open house. Just the way we like it.

    • ze moo

      The clams are careful to promise health benefits only verbally. Talk about verbal tech.

  • Science Doc

    14. So don’t you be. Tomorrow belongs to us. Inevitably there are bumps in the road.

    L. Ron HUBBARD

    F5

    • Sid

      Bumps and quagmires.

  • Bob

    I know it’s off topic. I just saw the Christian S. Update. I guess more and more parts of “tomorrow don’t belong to Cult of Cults”. Another Kudo to Christian. Awesome actor awesome human being.

  • BFM

    Bit O/T but those tweets of Kursty are just so out of touch with everything. She re-tweets something about horses that are forced to work in traffic. mm…, I am a big animal lover, and love horses. But how about those Sea Org slaves Kursty? Gonna tweet anything about them? Geez this chick is working on my nerves.

    • Sid

      The horses would be out exchange if they didn’t work on the streets.

      • Science Doc

        Horses have not done well in the tech and health care sectors, so traditional equine jobs are about it.

        • BFM

          Actually,doc, around here there is a project where traumatized children spend time with horses. Taking care of them etc. Some academic studies are being done on the benefits and results seem promising. Still not conclusive though.

      • BFM

        She is about the most hypocrite person I’ve ever met. She used to arrive (probably still does) at the back entrance of CC and have this arrogant look in her eyes while staff assigned to her needs would open doors and run for every wish of her. I doubt miss Alley has any clue about what exchange is.

      • Observer

        There’s a Kirstie joke in there somewhere …

        • BFM

          Lol 🙂 I imagine one, but that wont pass moderation.

  • nottrue

    This went to dead ears…..http://youtu.be/zSZ7r4MdeiQ

    • Baby

      I like this guy.. He did a Hellof a job

      • BFM

        Loved his vocabulary “… cult… postulating my hair catches fire”, LOLed there 🙂

      • Gigi

        Yep…my kind of guy…great sense of humor and honest too!!

    • Frodis73

      I like this guy too. It just makes me sick how sci does whatever the ‘f’ they want to.

  • new post up http://scientologybollocks.blogspot.co.uk

    …. also a lot of people were talking about Peter Pan live yesterday…. here are a couple of reviews I think you might like

    http://kenlevine.blogspot.co.uk/2014/12/peter-pan-live-my-review.html

    http://dlisted.com/2014/12/05/hot-slut-of-the-day-491/

    + bonus pic

    • Observer

      I’m having a hard time envisioning a Scientologist engaging in out-exchange manual labor during dissemination activities.

    • Captain Howdy

      They’re not gardening, they’re looking for gold plates

      • Eclipse-girl

        they are only found at Hill Cumorah, in New York

        • Robert Eckert

          Not anymore, the angel Moroni took them back and hid them somewhere else. Jerk didn’t even leave a treasure map with mysterious clues.

          • He even took the stones as well, Urim and Thummin.

            • Robert Eckert

              Yeah, so if we find the treasure map and decode it and get the plates then there’ll be some whole other scavenger hunt we have to do to figure out where the magic stones are that we need to read the plates. Kind of a remake of Monuments Men starring Nicholas Cage and Mitt Romney, directed by Kirk Cameron.

          • Eclipse-girl

            at least Moroni waited til Joe could translate them.

            /sarcasm.

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      Wow, TC sure comes across as a jerk in his 2005 interview, doesn’t he? The kind of guy who doesn’t even bother to look when he crosses the street because he thinks the world revolves around him…

  • Baby

    I wanted to make sure that you guys have seen this. To honor Lisa M. I will post this to display my anger toward this evil cult. ( Video)

    http://www.radioaustralia.net.au/international/2013-02-25/church-of-scientology-denies-holding-woman-in-isolation/1093466?religionnewsblog.com

    • I’m inclined to post the song i was gonna post tomorrow morning…..i think i will…..just the video at least…..

      • Baby

        Yes.. and you can post it twice dahlink

        • posted above….it even makes me cry when i watch it and i changed the lyrics!

          • Baby

            After seeing it.. You can post it over and over and over again.. I will never get tired of it.. I want people to see it. EVERYONE..

            • Well I will definitely post it again tomorrow morning. People are free to post it wherever they like, share the lyrics, etc.

  • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

    “In 1963, the Australian state of Victoria held the world’s first government inquiry into Scientology. It ran for nearly eighteen months, taking evidence from over one hundred and fifty witnesses. Kevin Anderson QC, who lead the one-man board of inquiry, was appalled by what he found. “Scientology is evil,” he wrote, “its techniques evil; its practice a serious threat to the community, medically, morally and socially.” In December 1965, Victoria became the first place in the world to ban Scientology.” – Steven Cannane

    How wise of Australia! Hubbard responded eventually with Xenu and exorcism of the damaged souls that Xenu implanted and which infest us today!

    “Take that Australia! I’ll match your ban and raise you Xenu and body thetans that I’ll delude your citizens to pay dollars to remove! Ha, Ha, see who gets the last laugh! I’m going to go circle a star like all good big beings! ” – L. Ron Hubbard

    • Ardent

      We Aussie have a keen eye for the scam artist, that is pretty certain. Does it have anything to do with being ‘convicts’? No, I think that is a pat answer. I believe it has far more to do with the rough, difficult conditions of the Lucky Country, which even intrude into city life. Australians are big on helping the neighbours, and keeping an eye out for dangers. We may be flippant about things, but under all that we are serious as a hell about things. I’m proud Victoria banned the damned cult. The next step would be to have senator Xenophon lead Parliament to outlaw the cult completely. Which makes me ask: Tony, have you thought of trying to arrange an interview with the senator? It could be very interesting.

      • Baby

        Where is Columbo Mr.?

    • Techie

      The history of Scientology is full of examples of LRH running away from his failures. The idea that some sort of psychotherapy could create a superhuman is an old Science Fiction theme, try the Lensman series by EE Doc Smith. Superhumans controlling gigantic spacecraft with their minds, communicating across vast distances without radio waves, super secret agents that infiltrate evil civilizations using “psi” powers, these are all old tried-and-true SciFi themes of the 30s. So Hubbard tried to capitalize on all that by inventing a faked psychotherapy after the war, when rumors abounded of Nazi experiments and the Uber-Mensch. When that failed, he dumped it and invented an even more spacy alternative, with past lives too, Scientology. The 50s and early 60s were the graveyards of many new and improved methods of “clearing” all touted in their day as the “last word”, all abandoned within a year for the next shiny new object. When Hubbard fled the US for England, at first he thought he was finally in the clear. With some help (some say it was all done by others) he came up with Power, and announced the first real Clear. When it became obvious that these Clears were no more psychic than anyone else, did not have eidetic recall, and still got colds, he struggled mightily for a new excuse and finally ran away again, at first to Africa and after failing dramatically there, went back to Saint Hill just long enough to start the Sea Org and go to sea. This period of the first Clear, the failures in Africa and Australia, were also strangely enough right around the time of the issuance of Keeping Scientology Working, which states in no uncertain terms that Hubbard had no help in developing Scientology, that he had “made it” and all that was needed now was to use it properly. All this, before the invention of the “OT Levels”, Standard Dianetics, the Sea Org, “Ethics Tech”, large chunks of what we now think of as typical Scientology. It was not even conceived yet, but in 1965 he had the gall to announce that he had “made it”. Made what? Fake clears?After fleeing Saint Hill, again in defeat and right ahead of the angry mob, he went downhill both mentally and physically to the end. I think there is something to the idea that the Australia Inquiry and his wildly inane reaction to it were really the beginning of the end for Hubbard, though he kept it going mostly by the efforts of others for another two decades.

  • George Hyland
    • BFM

      The area looks neglected and he’s asking big bucks. I don’t know if his BFF will throw in some CICS’s that need correctional MEST work action.

      • Eclipse-girl

        The big bucks are because ton owns a good deal of land. I do not know what the zoning is, but I suspect this parcel could be split up

    • Ardent

      Nice house. Lousy tenant.

    • Baby

      Oh I bet that’s where he takes Suri for privacy..hahahhahahhahahah Like that would happen.

  • Since it is the anniversary of Lisa McPherson’s untimely passing, I’m posting the video for the song I was going to post tomorrow morning (I will still do that anyway). Lyric video below posted lyrics. But here are the lyrics to my redone Silent Night

    Evil Sci, Deadly Sci
    Loved ones dead, without goodbye
    Sons, daughters, Mother’s miss their child
    The loss of them is to be reviled
    May they rest in peace
    May they rest in peace

    Evil Sci, Deadly Sci
    Cares not for those who die
    Many ensure they’re not forgotten
    And save others from the same fate
    Their loss is not in vain
    Their loss is not in vain

    Evil Sci, Deadly Sci
    Hear the heartbroken cries
    No more shall die at their evil hands
    Pain of loss too hard to withstand
    Gone but not forgotten
    Gone but not forgotten

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5r3R7ietsRs

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      Oh Miss Tia, Miss Tia. That made me cry. I am so sorry for so many who died too soon. Thank you for honoring their memory in such a kind and caring way.

      • yeah, it made me cry too! that orchestra version is just beautiful and all those who died far too soon and there are literally hundreds (thousands) of others who could be listed…..it’s just so overwhelming….but this is why…..

        • Free Minds, Free Hearts

          Yes, this is why.

    • Baby

      Tia.. With tears running down my face I applaud you. We joke and play around a lot here. Because the painful truth about this cult is devastating.

      You capture the essence of our feelings with this beautiful rendition and the words that you attached to this heartfelt piece.

      Thank you so much. Just a wonderful tribute to those who have lost their lives.. families and mental health to this corrupt evil cult. Many will NOT recover.. Emotionally, physically or spiritually..

      And that is WHY WE CONTINUE.. and WON’T STOP UNTIL .. ( You all can put in your mind what your until is)

      We love you Miss Tia..You are an excellent example of what the Bunker represents.

      • Thank you Baby. We’re all here for the same reason! ♥

        • Baby

          Yes we are.. and isn’t it amazing how most of us are dog or cat people. I always trust those who love and respect animals.. It says a lot about our hearts doesn’t it..

          and Tony with his fur babies is the leader of our pack..

          • True! I don’t think I’ve ever had a friend or even an acquaintance who didn’t like furbabies!!

    • BFM

      ….oh my… I can’t stop my tears from running. What a tribute miss Tia. Thank you…

      • BFM

        ok its been 13 minutes since I saw this, aren’t my eyes done yet spilling out drops…

        • Baby

          Me too BFM.. ME TOO.. First off I get teary over Silent Night Period. This rendition is beautiful..

          The minute it started I had tears.. Put the Dayam words in and you can just call me cab..Forget it!

          My husband just asked.. ” Are You OK?” and I said.. ” Give me time I will be. I HATE THIS Fugging CULT..

          • BFM

            I get you baby. Miss Tia struck such a sensitive cord in me I can hardly type

            • Baby

              BFM.. I don’t think that I have welcomed you on the Bunker.. So glad you are here with us.. Your timing is perfect. We always need warriors in this fight.. Thank you! Baby

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Your so cute when you are warm and ‘fuzzy’!

            • Baby

              I have my moments Bury.. but can turn on a dime.. depending on my mood Papa.. You’ve seen me stomp my foot..hahaa

              Edit.. TGIF for you sweetie

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Yes, I have. That sucker is like a jackhammer when you are being petulant!

            • Baby

              It is very powerful .. I only use it when I don’t get my way..( haha)

            • BFM

              you did, baby, hugs xoxo

            • Baby

              Well that was very nice of me.. ha xoxo

    • Ella Raitch

      Thank you Miss Tia

    • Gigi

      Wow Miss Tia…absolutely beautiful yet heartbreaking all at the same time. Thank you so much for sharing this with all of us. You are a rare and precious soul. <3

      • Aw, thank you Gigi. It is very heartbreaking, far far too many.

    • Baby

      Tia.. This knocked the breath out of me.. I can’t describe how I’m feeling right now..Your song and lyrics just hit my heart in a big way..

      I can’t imagine in a million years how you got through it.. With all the names and knowing what they went through. I wish I were with you to just sit in silence holding hands and cry.

      • Sitting in silence holding hands and crying would be nice! I had my moments with this one while working on the video. i-Betty had generously offered to sing the lyrics for the video but we had technical difficulties making that happen. When I sung the lyrics to make sure they were ‘in time’, I was crying by the end of the first verse. I was okay working on the video until I did playbacks. This redone song version was actually the fastest one done—it all was done in about 10 minutes one hazy morning before my first cup of coffee. Just sat here and wrote it all out. Then read it after coffee and it made me cry. I knew it would be an upsetting carol to post, but unfortunately we have to cover these things. I imagine the pain these families are going this holiday season, and every past year. It’s just so heartbreaking.

        • Ella Raitch

          It’s very powerful without a vocal track Miss T

          • Thanks Ella, I thought so too. I was on youtube trying to find the ‘right’ instrumental and when I heard the opening chords of this one, I KNEW it was the one.

          • Baby

            Ella.. I was typing and didn’t read your word powerful.. and that is the one word that described it to me.

        • Free Minds, Free Hearts

          It is heartbreaking for so many families, I cannot imagine.

          • TOO many families. That alone adds another layer of tragedy to this.

        • Baby

          Oh sweetie.. so generous of you to do it..and for i-Betty to volunteer..

          Upsetting carol? NO.. the word I would use is POWERFUL..

          When something that is created that is so beautiful and it just lays it out so masterfully it is POWERFUL.

          We have read and watched many horror stories associated with this evil cult. We can handle this. We do it for those who have lost their lives to this cult. We cry for them and their lives lost.

          You help us process our feelings beautifully. It’s sad. We cry. We need to cry.

          • I never know what to think of what I write, or how others might ‘read’ it. How I might take something, someone else might take differently. But I did think this one would be upsetting—in my words—because it’s tear inducing. We have to remember them, their stories, and ‘this is why’. And yes, we need to cry at times. So many lost, so many families in pain.

            • Baby

              Upsetting? Does this bunch act and look like a Bunch of Sissies..ha.. Good God we are fighting the most Evil cult in the world. EVIL..

              and WE ARE WINNING. Their Numbers are DOWN.. Ours are UP.. So you made us cry..

              Bring it on.. If we can’t listen to this beautiful tribute and NOT be brought to a deeper place we should have our Bunker card revoked..

              Come here sweetie..(((HUGS))

            • i usually like to post somewhat humorous things though, ya know? and yes, we ARE winning!!

              (((HUGS)))

    • Sandy

      Wow. Thank you Miss Tia.

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      Beautiful, just….beautiful.

    • Frodis73

      So many names…too many names. What a beautiful memorial MT.

    • Mrs. V.

      Raising my glass for those who have passed.

    • FromPolandWithLove

      Great Miss Tia :):):)

  • Robert Eckert

    OT: Kirk Cameron’s “Saving Christmas” has achieved enough reviews to qualify for IMDB’s rankings, and for now is officially the worst movie of all time (average number of stars, out of 10, 0 from critics and 1.3 from viewers), so I was reading some of the snark comment threads on it and found: “Thanks for making Scientology look like the saner religious option for up and coming young actors and actresses”

    • Jimmy3

      I need to see this

    • Frodis73

      I have read some awful reviews of this movie. I want to see it for the lulz.

      • Jimmy3

        There is lulz too? I just like Kirk because he’s a cutie.

        • Frodis73

          Aww. To think I had a crush on him when I was a kid. It only lasted a month…but still, gross. What an a-hole he turned out to be.

    • beauty for ashes
      • Jimmy3

        Jesus?

        • beauty for ashes

          yes jimmy…jesus. yes jesus is the editor of raw story, remember i told you first.

          • Jimmy3

            He’s too humble to put himself on the masthead. That’s just one of the reasons why I love him.

            • Baby

              To quote Pee Wee Herman.. ” Then Why Don’t Ya Marry Him? “

            • Jimmy3

              Because I’m trying to drink less. Living with Jesus would be a disaster.

              Me: Pdffftfsft. What is… ??? Jesus, what happened to my bottle of water?

              Jesus: Oh, yeah. I did you a favor, bro, it’s Pinot Grigio now. No prob.

            • Baby

              Hahahhaa… OMG I was talking about Tony O..

              but your version is funnier!

            • Jimmy3

              Jesus is the reason for the season. Why would I be talking about Tony O?

            • Baby

              Beauty started it.. “editor of raw story, remember i told you first”

              So I thought you were referring about Mr. O.. Jeeze Louise ..Is it me? If it is I will drink the beer you aren’t drinking

            • Jimmy3

              But she said… nah, I will keep my beer. It is me, not you.

            • Baby

              Who gives a Shitster … We’ll both be right and both drink our own beer..cheers!

            • Jimmy3

              Cheers 🙂

      • Robert Eckert

        It was Raw Story that sent me on the rabbit trail in the first place.

        • beauty for ashes

          i thought it was a coincidence that it came up first when i hearsayed it. ha!

          • Robert Eckert

            Tony’s day job is also a site I keep track of steadily.

        • Frodis73

          Robert-Check out this review & the comments. I think you’ll enjoy the laugh.
          https://creationsciencestudy.wordpress.com/2014/12/06/the-war-on-saving-christmas/

          • Robert Eckert

            I saw that one. I think the author is a Poe who has successfully conned the people who are arguing with them– but it’s hard to be the sure.

            • Jimmy3

              That has to be a parody. I love this line in particular: They have attacked him ever since Ray Comfort and Kirk Cameron proved that the banana was an atheist’s worst nightmare and since they disproved Darwinism by showing that the Darwinists have never found a crocoduck!

            • Robert Eckert

              And the picture of Jesus is one used in mocking memes.

            • Baby

              Robert..I think you are absolutely right..hahaha OMG.. funny..

      • Baby

        I just posted..haha ..

        I said, ” WTH I watched the trailer and TOOK DOWN my tree.”

        • beauty for ashes

          don’t tell me that baby is part of the atheist conspiracy that is trying to take down the kirk cameron?

          • Baby

            Nope.. God Love here..( Not religious but spiritual)

            but Kirk? He is walking with Jesus without sandals ..dayam..

    • Ella Raitch

      Well that’s Christmas Eve viewing sorted (after the traditional Nightmare Before Christmas)

      • Robert Eckert

        Badder Santa is our crowd’s yearly ritual.

        • Jimmy3

          I love Bad Santa, but a few in my family think it’s too mean-spirited. We always watch Elf and Christmas Vacation. Two classics that never get old.

          • Vaquera

            I had a Santa and Mrs. Claus siting this afternoon. Cool sleigh’ (refresh)

            • Jimmy3

              So no presents this year?

            • Vaquera

              I asked Santa for cashier’s check. Saves space.

            • Baby

              Ohhh Texas how fun! Woo Hoo..

          • Frodis73

            Don’t forget A Christmas Story!

            • Jimmy3

              Love that too, but I haven’t actually watched it from start to finish in years. It’s on for a full 24 hour marathon every year, so I just kinda see different parts of it throughout Christmas Day.

          • Mrs. V.

            Christmas Vacation is my favorite! And while Mr. V. and I were dating, I made him watch it in order to prepare for my family’s crazy Polish Christmas Eve Shin Dig.

          • Ella Raitch

            Elf is a favourite for my household too.

        • Charlotte

          Bad Santa is the only Christmas movie the hub doesn’t complain about. Though, Carol Kane means he’ll at least watch Scrooged as well.

    • Frodis73

      Is this movie even playing anywhere near anybody out there? I’m in Cleveland and it is not within a 25 mi radius. I have a hunch Kirk is stealing a DM movie & playing a game of ‘fun with numbers’.
      It’s not nice to kick somebody when they are down and all, but I just can’t help it. Ha, Ha! I’m sure he’s complaining about the evil atheists & their plan to take down Christianity.

    • Mrs. V.

      Eek. That’s quite an insult.

      • The reviewer from the LA Times was equally dismissive:

        With a smile so wide and laughter that sounds so forced you half-expect the camera to pull back to reveal hostage takers, Mr. Cameron explains how several facets of the holiday – the tree, Santa Claus, gifts – have roots in religious tradition.

        This picture may be to Christmas movies as Cat-Women of the Moon is to science-fiction movies. Rotten Tomatoes gives it a 32% rating.

        • Mrs. V.

          I never watched the trailer and have no inclination in seeing the movie. I don’t like my entertainment blatantly preaching to me.

          • Baby

            Amen sister..hahaha

          • As the playwright George Kaufman put it: “If you want to send a message,muse Western ?Union.” These days, he’d probably say use Twitter.

    • …. mind you, he does think scientology is “kooky”

      6 Nov 2008

      Growing Pains star Kirk Cameron has hit out at Tom Cruise’s Scientology religion – warning people not to get caught up in the faith as it is a “cult”.

      The former teen idol turned to Christianity after his time on the hit U.S. TV series, complaining about various “immoral” aspects of the 1980s show’s plotline.

      The 37-year-old even went on to set up his own U.S. ministry, “The Way of the Master”, with his wife Chelsea Noble, the mother of his six children.

      And now Cameron, who has recently published his autobiography “Still Growing” about his life, has lashed out at the Church of Scientology and its founder L. Ron Hubbard, branding the faith “kooky” – and advising people to find God through the Bible.

      He tells OK! Magazine, “I think Scientology is kooky. I think L. Ron Hubbard had some imaginative ideas, but the bottom line is that it’s false, not real, it’s lies, and my advice to people is don’t get mixed up in cults and false religions but seek out the true and living God and try to honor him with all your heart. You can do that by reading the Bible.”

      • googling Kirk Cameron scientology throws up amusing titbits (English spelling… prude Americans changed it to tid) …. someone asked Yahoo this question 7 years ago:

        “What would happen in a theology debate between Kirk Cameron (Christianity) and Tom Cruise (Scientology)?”

        …. boy, I reckon that would garner a massive PPV if they could pull it off now

        couple of my favourite replies in pic

        • Hingle McCringleberry

          Definitely some poo throwing. Also, I predict that the only winners would be 1. Local upholstery cleaning business, 2. The word ‘glib’, 3. The producers of the Bill Cunningham Show or whoever is filling that niche in five years when they’re both broke, irrelevant, and in desperate need of a quick paycheck.

  • BlondesAreDumb

    3.6 Earthquake near Int Base yesterday, centered between Banning and Palm Desert, CA. Torrential rain, mud slides, earthquake, what’s next in Cultland?

    • Mrs. V.

      Oh no. I was worried about those in the Hole today with the floods, I am even more worried now.

      • Jimmy3

        The Hole does not exist… or has floated away.

        • Mrs. V.

          Floated away….even if that tiny sub-human thought that he could wish…poof! They’re still people.
          Sorry. Got really p!ssed off there. I know he doesn’t care but I do,

          • Jimmy3

            Calm down, Mother Theresa. You have a really tame notion of “pissed off” 🙂

            • Baby

              Wait a Fuggin minute I thought I was Mother Theresa.. OK on that I’m off to bed.. love you big guy.

            • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

              Baby, Just got on to post the vid of the mud slide and say good nite. I was busy all day.

              Good article and can’t wait for more!

            • Baby

              Just got your e mail..thanks mama..good vid. Yes..More! More! night sweetie..

      • Baby

        Yep V.. me too.

    • locusts!

  • Jenstnick

    I live 30-45 mins from Gold Base, I don’t have any official data but I do know from several news reports that Hemet took the brunt of the storm. To make an educated guess, since the base is literally at the bottom of a mountain, I’m guessing they got hit hard.

    • i have a good friend who lives in hemet….trying to get a hold of her….i saw on the city of hemet website her area wasn’t flooded, but she’s close to the area that was and by the highway there….

  • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

    http://abc7.com/weather/rain-causes-flooding-in-riverside-county;-drivers-rescued/421751/

    “It’s like Mother Nature’s way of saying, ‘Hey, you live next to a mountain bro,'” said Wait.

    The worst debris flow happened in front of the Golden Era Productions facility, which is part of the Church of Scientology.”
    YES!

    • Eivol Ekdal

      I like how they say Gilman Springs residents. They should say scientologists.
      The lady after Sam Wait on cam is a clam…
      “Controlled panic….Ten minutes of torrid rain like that…”

      • Eivol Ekdal

        from the Sunday Funnies…

        • Eivol Ekdal

          nevermind – I caught up with all the comments .

        • f5

      • Graham

        Gilman Springs inmates.

  • Barbara Angel

    Sorry if this has already been posted, had to check the meaning of: “bifurcates”
    What a big word for a dullard to use, probably to dazzle everyone to make them think he really was an atomic graduate or whatever the lie was at the time.

    • Jimmy3

      Uhh, Tony said that, not Hubbard.

  • Whiskeyjack

    If anyone has any doubts about Tom Cruise not knowing about the slave like stature of the Sea Org, I hope that second to last paragraph puts those doubts to rest.

    “Mudslides are nothing new at Int Base, which lies in a flood plain. Lawrence Wright, in Going Clear, recounts one time around 1990 when Scientology leader David Miscavige was enraged when a mudslide ruined the good time he was trying to show Tom Cruise and his new girlfriend, Nicole Kidman: ‘When a flood triggered a mudslide that despoiled the couple’s romantic bungalow, Miscavige held the entire base responsible, and ordered everyone to work sixteen-hour days until everything was restored to its previous pristine condition.'”

    • Eivol Ekdal

      I will bet the area out behind the big water tank is a mess. There is a storm channel and retaining wall on the east protecting RTC. It is likely to be full of mud. I’ll bet the underpasses are also a mess.

    • Tracy Schmitz

      i read this too, but how does this mean that cruise even KNEW about any of this? the whole mudslide story ruining cruise and kidman’s fun was because the mudslide ruined the field of flowers and what not that cruise had said he wanted to run thru and play with kidman in… i don’t think cruise would have a clue that such a off hand remark was actually trying to come true in scientolgists building such a field for him and kidman.. consequently he wouldn’t have any idea about any mudslide ruining it…. and of course NO ONE would have told him i don’t think either “mr.cruise well we were creating that field you wanted for you and nicole but it got ruined by the recent mudslide, blah, blah, blah”.. and so therefore i don’t think cruise would even be aware that miscavige punished everyone for a unforeseeable act of nature..you have to remember cruise has been BEYOND butt kissed by this cult for decades. he is presented that EVERYTHING 24/7 is always perfect and good and well run by his “faith” whether it’s the people, the base, their buildings, ALL OF IT….

  • valshifter

    “And lead them up the path to slaughter ” this are the words of a serial killer, obviously Hubbard didn’t play well with others.

  • richelieu jr

    I couldn’t quite make out the last line… “Don’t be afraid of the bumps… on his ‘head'”?

    There was only the one bump,right? The sebaceous cyst.. full of pus and fluid… The one right between his shoulders, with the beak-like lips and piggy eyes?